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Offline MasSlavery

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Re: forum concensus concerning mil action against NK
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2009, 12:59:38 am »
Leave them alone. Who the hell is this country to decide who gets what weapons.

Well said, lets get our own shit straight before we start telling other countries what they can and can't do.

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Re: forum concensus concerning mil action against NK
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2009, 01:09:40 am »

They are completely controlled by their government. The NWO loves them as the perfect model society. If the NWO gets their way this is how the world will be.

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Re: forum concensus concerning mil action against NK
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2009, 01:12:35 am »
Long as we trust them with nuclear reactors we can also trust them to ship in the slave manufactured goods..
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Re: forum concensus concerning mil action against NK
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2009, 01:13:15 am »
Anyone notice that Kim Jon Il whatever his name is looks a little crackheadish lately?  Someone needs to put the pills and booze down

I thought I heard somewhere that he had a stroke?
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Re: forum concensus concerning mil action against NK
« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2009, 01:15:40 am »
Did he?  I don't keep up with these things.  I figure all the major leaders are all on their death-beds regardless
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North Korea fires more rockets, says U.S. hostile
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2009, 02:53:41 am »

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea, defiant in the face of international condemnation of its latest nuclear test, fired two short-range missiles off its east coast on Tuesday and accused the United States of plotting against its government.

In a move certain to compound tensions in the region, South Korea said it would join a U.S.-led initiative to intercept ships suspected of carrying weapons of mass destruction, something Pyongyang has warned it would consider a declaration of war.

South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted a government source in Seoul as saying the North had test-fired one surface-to-air and one surface-to-ship missile off of its east coast. The missiles had a range of about 130 km (80 miles).

The North fired off three short-range missiles on Monday.

Monday's nuclear test, the North's second after one in 2006, drew sharp rebuke from regional powers, and U.S. President Barack Obama called Pyongyang's atomic arms program a threat to international security.

The demonstrations of military might have also taken a toll on Seoul's jittery financial markets, worried about the impact of North Korea's growing belligerence in a region which accounts for a sixth of the global economy.

Underlining concerns over how far the North might be prepared to raise the stakes, Obama assured South Korean President Lee Myung-bak of Washington's unequivocal commitment to defense on the long-divided peninsula, where some two million troops face off.

There is little more Washington can do to deter the ostracized state, punished for years by international sanctions and so poor it relies on aid to feed its 23 million people.

Analysts say the latest military grandstanding is also aimed at bolstering leader Kim Jong-il's steel grip on power at home so he can better engineer his succession -- with many speculating he wants his third son to take over.

The U.N. Security Council condemned the nuclear test and is working on a new resolution, but analysts say North Korea's giant neighbor China is unlikely to support anything tough.

For China, the more immediate risk may be serious rupture inside the impoverished state, which could spark a flood of North Korean refugees across its border.

Beijing is also believed to want to bring Pyongyang back to long-running talks with regional powers to make it give up ambitions to be a nuclear weapons power in return for massive aid and an end to its years as a pariah state.

However, analysts say North Korea, which now spurns those talks, looks set on wanting a place at the table of nuclear-armed states and the leverage that will bring it with Washington.

Brushing aside the latest international condemnation, Pyongyang said the United States was the aggressive one, its long-held argument to justify having a nuclear arsenal.

"The U.S. would be well advised to halt at once its dangerous military moves against the DPRK (North Korea) if it wants to escape the lot of a tiger moth, bearing deep in mind that any attempt to make a pre-emptive attack on the DPRK is little short of inviting a disaster itself." 

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Re: N. Korea's Nuclear Timeline
« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2009, 03:47:17 am »
Can one of the global mods (Sane?) please sticky this thread? Good info.
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Re: forum concensus concerning mil action against NK
« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2009, 07:15:01 am »
so basically what i gather is we need to leave them alone...thats understandable...but

we have a greed to protect south korea and really leaving them alone is not a viable option. we gotta have our friends what kinda friend would we be if we dont have our friends backs

i think we would have to have chinas blessings before we do anything to NK anyway
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Re: forum concensus concerning mil action against NK
« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2009, 07:27:08 am »
I say put all of the "leaders" in a pit and let them duke it out. That way, no inncocent people need to die.
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Re: forum concensus concerning mil action against NK
« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2009, 07:32:18 am »
so basically what i gather is we need to leave them alone...thats understandable...but

we have a greed to protect south korea and really leaving them alone is not a viable option. we gotta have our friends what kinda friend would we be if we dont have our friends backs

i think we would have to have chinas blessings before we do anything to NK anyway

No, he only starts, when he feels he will be attacked.  He is paranoid, they know he is, so they play with him, all the time.  Also, he does act up, anytime he's not getting his own way!!  Just like a 2 year old who's throwing a tantrum.  Ignore him and leave him alone!!

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Re: N. Korea's Nuclear Timeline
« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2009, 08:07:49 am »
Korean War Casualty Stats

Country        KIA+        Wounded        MIA           Captured        Total        Comments
S Korea        227,800   717,100        43,500                  ?         984,400 Captured included in MIA?
US                54,229   103,248          8,142            3,746         169,365 KIA included the 20,600 accidental fatality

That's only small change compare to the US and Allies in Iraq along, not including Afghanistan and 9/11 and whoever else as had their life terminated.

I don't know if this is just a game a distraction, but if it ain't it seems unless your part of the NWO you can't have nukes, screw the NWO, who put them in charge. Besides haven't Britain, USA, Israel, Pakistan and India plus Russia and China all carried out rocket and nuclear tests in the past. America and Russia even when as far as signing up a load of Nazi war criminals to start there rocket programs.

So screw America and the west and the UN. Death is in the air everyone will attack everyone, Armageddon is coming The End is Nigh. Buckle up it's going to be a rough ride.

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Ruling Party Official: Japan Should Attack North Korea
« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2009, 08:21:59 am »
Military confrontation could embroil U.S. & China, lead to world war three

Paul Joseph Watson
Tuesday, May 26, 2009

A ruling party lawmaker today urged Japan to break the terms of its pacifist constitution and pre-emptively attack North Korea following the Stalinist state’s nuclear bomb test.

“North Korea poses a serious and realistic threat to Japan,” stated former defense chief Gen Nakatani in Tokyo at a meeting of Liberal Democratic Party officials. “We must look at active missile defense such as attacking an enemy’s territory and bases.”

Nakatani said the attack could be accomplished by equipping navy ships with cruise missiles.

The former defense minister’s warning arrives on the heels of an LDP panel proposal that Japan should change the terms of its pacifist constitution, written by the U.S. after world war two to prevent Japan using hostile force to settle geopolitical disputes, to enable a military attack on North Korea.

“The Japanese government has built a defense network since a North Korean Taepodong-1 missile flew over Japan in 1998 that includes anti-missile batteries around Tokyo and is expanding to other major cities. Defense Minister Yasukazu Hamada in March ordered the shooting down of any North Korean missile or related debris that entered Japanese territory,” reports Bloomberg.

It’s not an exaggeration to conclude that any attack on North Korea could eventually lead to world war three. North Korea and China are allies and both have nuclear weapons. If North Korea is attacked by anyone, its first course of action would be to strike South Korea, a close ally of the United States. This would obligate the U.S. to retaliate, bringing American troops to the Chinese border and any escalation from that point would be a disaster.

As we reported yesterday, if you’re wondering how North Korea got its nukes in the first place, look no further than the U.S. government itself.

Two years before North Korea was included in the “axis of evil,” former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, during his time as executive director of ABB, signed off on a $200 million dollar contract to build light water nuclear reactors in North Korea.

Rumsfeld was merely picking up the baton from the Clinton administration, who in 1994 agreed to replace North Korea’s domestically built nuclear reactors with light water nuclear reactors.

According to Henry Sokolski, head of the Non-proliferation Policy Education Centre in Washington, “These reactors are like all reactors, they have the potential to make weapons. So you might end up supplying the worst nuclear violator with the means to acquire the very weapons we’re trying to prevent it acquiring.”

President George W. Bush provided another $95 million in April 2002 towards the construction of more reactors in North Korea, as well as a further $3.5 million in January 2003.

Construction of the reactors was eventually suspended, but North Korea had an alternative source through which they could obtain the nuclear secrets vital to building an atom bomb arsenal - CIA asset and international arms smuggler AQ Khan.

In 2004, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan’s atom bomb program, admitted sharing nuclear technology via a worldwide smuggling network that included facilities in Malaysia that manufactured key parts for centrifuges.

Khan’s collaborator B.S.A. Tahir ran a front company out of Dubai that shipped centrifuge components to North Korea.

Despite Dutch authorities being deeply suspicious of Khan’s activities as far back as 1975, the CIA prevented them from arresting him on two occasions.

“The man was followed for almost ten years and obviously he was a serious problem. But again I was told that the secret services could handle it more effectively,” former Dutch Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers said. “The Hague did not have the final say in the matter. Washington did.”

Lubbers stated that Khan was allowed to slip in and out of the Netherlands with the blessing of the CIA, eventually allowing him to become the “primary salesman of an extensive international network for the proliferation of nuclear technology and know-how,” according to George W. Bush himself, and sell nuclear secrets that allowed North Korea to build nuclear bombs.

“Lubbers suspects that Washington allowed Khan’s activities because Pakistan was a key ally in the fight against the Soviets,” reports CFP. “At the time, the US government funded and armed mujahideen such as Osama bin Laden. They were trained by Pakistani intelligence to fight Soviet troops in Afghanistan. Anwar Iqbal, Washington correspondent for the Pakistani newspaper Dawn, told ISN Security Watch that Lubbers’ assertions may be correct. “This was part of a long-term foolish strategy. The US knew Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons but couldn’t care less because it was not going to be used against them. It was a deterrent against India and possibly the Soviets.”

In September 2005 it emerged that the Amsterdam court which sentenced Khan to four years imprisonment in 1983 had lost the legal files pertaining to the case. The court’s vice-president, Judge Anita Leeser, accused the CIA of stealing the files. “Something is not right, we just don’t lose things like that,” she told Dutch news show NOVA. “I find it bewildering that people lose files with a political goal, especially if it is on request of the CIA. It is unheard of.”

In 2005, Pakistani President Pervez Musharaf acknowledged that Khan had provided centrifuges and their designs to North Korea.

With this history in mind, the shock, condemnation and indignation being expressed by the U.S. government in response to North Korea’s second nuclear bomb test is tinged with hypocrisy to say the least. Through their policies in aiding North Korea to build light water reactors, and via the CIA asset AQ Khan who was protected at every step of the way while he helped provide North Korea with the means to build a nuclear arsenal, the U.S. government itself is directly complicit in providing North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Il with the nuclear weapons that they are now condemning him for testing.


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Re: MSNBC reports North Korea sets off nukes underground
« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2009, 08:33:37 am »
May 26, 2009

Fear, North Korea and Us: The recent news that North Korea is testing nukes and missiles was so unsettling that even their old friend China condemned it. The image we have of North Korea as a third world country with a fourth rate leader makes it easy to mock the small but belligerent nation. It would be nice to simply say that maybe they’re just being cranky now, a condition we can all understand during these unstable economic times. But the paranoia and secrecy of North Korea has been present since its founding on September 10, 1948. That makes it a Virgo nation with the Sun at 17 degrees of this supposedly cautious sign. Transiting Saturn, the planet of boundaries, crossed this point last October and this March, with a final visit due this July. Saturn’s passage over a nation’s Sun can signal a shift of leadership. Whether Lil Kim leaves the stage then or not, it’s likely that some kind of power struggle is under way.

Saturn in the harvest sign of Virgo represents our collective concerns about meeting material needs. The squeeze is on in many fields, cutting hours and workers (Virgo is the sign of labor) and reducing the margins of financial safety as a wide range of investments continue to lose value. While many individuals suffer, however, the U.S. is still in a phase of superficial calm and relative comfort. Some of that could be attributable to an exceptionally long period of proximity between joyous Venus and assertive Mars this month. The planetary lovers—he’s passion, she’s attraction—have been in fiery Aries, which favors living in the moment. On May 31 and June 6, Mars and Venus will move into fiduciary Taurus where every dollar, yen and euro counts. We’ll see whether the glimmers of optimism continue to shine when these sign changes occur. If the steps taken thus far by the U.S. administration are going to gain traction, we should know quickly. The pending Taurean influences will either fix us into a longer-term pattern of despair or convince us that the wings of hope are definitely flying us to a safer place.

Poor little North Korea has the Moon’s North Node in Taurus and could use a nice dose of this easygoing sign to mellow it out. The national chart, though, has aggressive Mars in simmering Scorpio conjunct its karmic South Node. This is the astrological definition of a bad attitude (mitigated in cases where heightened spiritual awareness transforms hatred into healing). It’s the angry warrior who refuses to accept that the war is over, so the only way he knows how to live is through permanent conflict. The lesson for us is to avoid reproducing North Korea’s fear-based model of hardened isolation. We may consider ourselves and our nations to be far too enlightened to react like this, but individuals and groups of every type have descended to such fearful depths that similar strains of darkness have appeared. We can help the potential North Korea in each of us by recognizing when security driven fears are about to push us over the edge so we can back away from these destructive urges and seek whatever islands of peace we can find to calm our nerves.

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Re: forum concensus concerning mil action against NK
« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2009, 12:32:38 pm »
was wondering if this forum participants support millitary airstrikes on north korea but not boots on the ground

just let me know and ill tell obama for everyone...ive got a lot of pull..obama said mr.c...what would you do with north korea

and i thought i would ask you wonderful people your thoughts

disclaimer: ofcourse obama wouldnt give someone with a genius mind as myself the time of day so dont get all JUST JOKING

but am curious if airstrikes only would be a viable boots on the ground...just looking to promote discussion cuz somethings gonna give somewher..either NK or iran

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and i agree and most likely one of them are gonna happen

i havent read through this entire thread, so forgive me if this has already been stated, but for heavens sake "should we bob north korea?"

are you out of your mind? thats the kind of mentality that says we should be in the middle east and attack iran!!!!

can we just step back a second and think, why does north korea want nuclear weapons? why is it that when a western country tests a nuclear bomb it is a scientific progress or just, and when anyone else does it it is deemed harmful to "global security"?

north korea, like many other non nuclear countries, is literally bullied by the US and the west, and the sole reason that countries like iran and north korea are looking to have nuclear capabilities is so that they can be taken seriously by the rest of the world. they are not building them so they can attack us with them, that is the most ridiculous thing ever! tyrants they may be, but retarded they are not.
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Re: MSNBC reports North Korea sets off nukes underground
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