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H.R. 1913, Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
« on: April 21, 2009, 01:41:47 pm »
Christian Pastors Worried By H.R. 1913

A Texas congressman who is a former judge warns that the “hate crimes” legislation reintroduced in the U.S. House could potentially lead to the arrest of Christian pastors who speak out against sexual immorality.

Representatives John Conyers (D-Michigan) and Mark Kirk (R-Illinois) are sponsoring the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act (H.R. 1913), also known as the “Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act.” The bill would add sexual orientation to the list of categories covered under federal hate crime law. When Democrats passed the bill in 2007, they were divided over whether to add “gender identity and expression” to the list.

Congressman Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) says under the legislation, pastors, rabbis, or imams could be charged with encouraging or inducing a “hate crime” if they preach against homosexuality.

Bible ban”Every preacher of the gospel, unless you cut out parts of it; every imam who mentions anything with regard to sexual immorality — they could be pursued, and in other countries they have been,” says the Texas lawmaker.

Gohmert shares information he received from abroad. “I was talking to a guy from Norway who was telling me that people are even afraid to say Mary was a virgin, because just bringing up sexuality at all can raise problems with law enforcement,” he says.

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 01:42:45 pm »
H.R. 1913:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1913

111th CongressThis is a bill in the U.S. Congress originating in the House of Representatives ("H.R."). A bill must be passed by both the House and Senate and then be signed by the President before it becomes law.

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2009-2010 Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
Sponsor: Rep. John Conyers [D-MI]

Cosponsors [as of 2009-04-21]
Rep. Anh Cao [R-LA]
Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy [D-OH]
Rep. Mark Kirk [R-IL]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL]
Rep. Nydia Velázquez [D-NY]
Rep. Corrine Brown [D-FL]
Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D-OH]
Rep. Jerrold Nadler [D-NY]
Rep. Gary Ackerman [D-NY]
Rep. Diane Watson [D-CA]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. Judy Biggert [R-IL]
Rep. Raymond Green [D-TX]
Rep. James Moran [D-VA]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA]
Rep. Jared Polis [D-CO]
Rep. Elijah Cummings [D-MD]
Rep. Mary Bono Mack [R-CA]
Rep. Betty McCollum [D-MN]
Rep. Earl Blumenauer [D-OR]
Rep. Leonard Lance [R-NJ]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA]
Rep. Michael Castle [R-DE]
Rep. Shelley Berkley [D-NV]
Rep. Tammy Baldwin [D-WI]
Rep. William Delahunt [D-MA]
Rep. Dennis Moore [D-KS]
Rep. Steve Driehaus [D-OH]
Rep. Howard Berman [D-CA]
Rep. John Olver [D-MA]
Rep. Steve Israel [D-NY]
Rep. Carolyn Maloney [D-NY]
Rep. Bruce Braley [D-IA]
Rep. Louise Slaughter [D-NY]
Rep. Lois Capps [D-CA]
Rep. Sanford Bishop [D-GA]
Rep. José Serrano [D-NY]
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D-FL]
Rep. Kathy Castor [D-FL]
Rep. Gary Peters [D-MI]
Rep. William Clay [D-MO]

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1913

Congress makes the following findings:

(1) The incidence of violence motivated by the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim poses a serious national problem.
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Re: H.R. 1913, Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 01:51:58 pm »
'How hate crimes laws forced me into exile'
Pro-family activist stages own disappearance

Julio Severo, a prominent Brazilian pro-family activist, has been forced into exile because of the "hate crimes" laws that are being implemented in his native land, perhaps providing a preview of what Christians can expect in the United States should similar "hate crimes" proposals be implemented.

And several organizations are reporting Congress could begin adopting measures similarly draconian to Brazil's as early as this week.

"It is imperative that we contact all members of the House and demand that they vote against this bill as it will not protect a pastor, Bible teacher, Sunday School teacher, youth leader or anyone else from prosecution if he or she teaches against homosexuality if an individual who hears their message then goes out and commits a crime against a homosexual," wrote Pastor Rick Scarborough of Vision America Action, which as a website link to make that contact.

"Hate crimes laws that include sexual orientation are a bad idea, because they elevate homosexuality to the same status as race and do nothing to prevent violent crimes. All crimes are motivated by hate," said Mathew Staver, chief of Liberty Counsel, which also is alerting people to the congressional plans.

"Hate crimes laws will not be used to punish the perpetrators but will be used to silence people of faith, religious groups, clergy, and those who support traditional moral values," Staver said.

Severo reports he was forced to flee his homeland after federal prosecutors there recently charged him with "homophobia' for his statements about the nation's "Gay" Parade in 2006.

Severo told WND that while Brazil does not criminalize Christianity, it does regulate what biblical principles can and cannot be preached, and it bans biblical citations that disapprove of the homosexual lifestyle.

"Brazil grants freedom to preach Christianity, provided that the sermons avoid negative mentions of state-protected behaviors and cultural trends," Severo said. "The Brazilian government is establishing more and more categories of protected behaviors, banning negative mentions. So Brazilian preachers need to get updated on the latest political changes and preach a Gospel according to the state interests."

He said, "Today it is risky to preach a complete Gospel in Brazil. Because of the diversity politics, you cannot say anything negative about witchcraft, especially when such practices are from Africa."

He cited an example of what is happening.

"In Rio, a Pentecostal minister led a criminal to Jesus and convinced him to deliver himself to police. Rev. Isaías da Silva Andrade accompanied the former criminal to police and when they asked how his life had been changed, the minister answered that the former criminal lived under the influence of demons from Afro-Brazilian religions which inspired him to criminal conduct, but now he found salvation in Jesus. Because of this innocent account, Rev. Andrade is now being prosecuted for discrimination against the Afro-Brazilian 'culture'! If condemned, he will serve between two and five years in jail," Severo said.

Severo reported on his blog that prosecutors were working to find him by demanding his address from friends and acquaintances.

So he said he took matters into his own hands to protect himself and his family, as well as his friends, from further discrimination.

'"I was forced to leave the country with my family: a wife in the advanced stages of pregnancy and two little children," he reported on his blog. "We are now in a place that is completely foreign to us. What choice did we have?"

He said Brazil has no law stating that the broadly interpreted "homophobia" – a term used derogatorily against those who choose to follow biblical precepts and not endorse homosexuality – is illegal.

But he said case rulings show that it is considered a crime. In fact, he said Brazil is one of a growing number of countries cracking down on "homophobia."

Severo said an influential homosexual activist attempted to publish his name and contact information, which he believes was an attempt to intimidate him. He said he became alarmed and concerned for his own safety and that of his family.

"Because of the fierce opposition of gay militants and their charges against me, I had limited freedom to appear openly in Brazil," Severo said. "The most important homosexual leader in Brazil tried to publish my complete name, physical address and telephone number, in a stealth way of intimidating me. Yet, even now I have to be careful."

WND has reported that the Obama administration has stated its dedication to strengthening "federal hate crimes legislation" and expanding "hate crimes protection."

Gary Cass of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission was among those raising the warning of impending "hate crimes" legislation in the United States.

"One of the gravest threats to religious liberty and freedom of speech is proposed hate crime legislation. Even while national attention is focused on the economy and Obama's radical economic and foreign policy, the far left is at work undermining our First Amendment rights at home with hate crime legislation," he said.

"In other countries where these types of laws have been implemented, pastors and Christians have been jailed and fined for their faithful adherence to the Scriptures," he said.

He reported Barney Frank, an openly homosexual congressman, announced Thursday that the House Judiciary Committee will be considering "hate crimes" legislation, H.R. 1913, this week.

"Frank is expecting the committee to pass the bill which would leave it in the House to vote on later this spring, according to a news release issued by Barney Frank on his website last week," Cass said.

As reported earlier by CADC, the bill, H.R. 1913, is named the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. The bill already had 42 co-sponsors. The bill was introduced into the House on April 2 by U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

"All freedom loving Americans must voice their opposition to this bill. If this bill passes it lays the foundation for censoring Christians. In other countries, like in Canada and Sweden, where these types of hate crime laws have been implemented, pastors and Christians have been jailed and fined for their faithful adherence to biblical values," he said.

Also raising the alarm was the Traditional Values Coalition, where Executive Director Andrea Lafferty said, "the so-called hate crimes bill will be used to lay the legal foundation and framework to investigate, prosecute and persecute pastors, business owners, Bible teachers, Sunday School teachers, youth leaders, Christian counselors, religious broadcasters and anyone else whose actions are based upon and reflect the truths found in the Bible."

The organization warned based on a broad definition of "intimidation," even "a pastor's sermon could be considered 'hate speech' … if heard by an individual who then acts aggressively against persons based on any 'sexual orientation.'"

The organization noted during markup of the plan in a 2007 committee hearing, Rep. Artur Davis, D-Ala., admitted that the law would not protect a pastor from prosecution.

Scarborough reported the U.S. plan is to be voted on in the House Judiciary Committee Wednesday.

"Hate crimes laws are actually 'thought crimes' laws that violate the right to freedom of speech and of conscience," warned Liberty Counsel. "Hate crimes laws will have a chilling effect on people who have moral or religious objections to homosexual behavior. Evidence of a person’s beliefs will be used against any individuals who are even suspected of criminal activity.

"Hate crimes laws are unnecessary, as criminal laws already provide criminal penalties for the violent crimes," the organization continued. "Additional penalties will subject individuals to scrutiny of their beliefs, rather than focusing on a person’s criminal actions, and will do nothing to prevent crime."

Severo said, "If they wish to continue with their absurd acts against me for 'homophobia,' I state that I am no longer in Brazil. Leave my friends in peace."

But that doesn't mean people won't hear from him.

"I will not be silenced. The voice that God gave me will continue to be used to alert Brazil, whether I am in India, Kenya, Nicaragua, or any other country in the world," he said.

The article that originally sparked controversy, in which Severo criticized Brazil's homosexual parade, also urged homosexuals to repent of their behavior and turn to Christianity. The article went on further to suggest that there are links between homosexual organizations and pedophilia.

Some in the U.S. are fighting back, too, including Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas.

He appears in a YouTube video arguing against the earlier plan.

"A large part of this is that many people do not understand the Christian heart," he said. "They just don't like people who disagree with them. The true Christian heart can disagree with people, and still love them deeply," he said.

But the law, Gohmert said, would allow prosecutors to "go after a minister … who says [sexual] relations outside of the marriage of a man and a woman are wrong."

The congressman says if there is a crime, and the suspect says he was inspired by a minister, the preacher suddenly also would be a defendant in the crime.

The video is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMh4jvRRsNM

Tony Perkins of FRC Action also was busy alerting his constituents.

He emphasized that the scenario explained by Gohmert not only is possible but probable.

"How would it happen? A federal 'hate crimes' law prohibiting 'bodily injury' could be construed by many law enforcement officials and judges to include words that inflict emotional or psychological distress," he said. "That means an 'offended' homosexual could accuse a religious broadcaster … a pastor … Sunday School teacher … or other individual of causing emotional injury simply by expressing the biblical view that homosexual behavior is morally wrong and unhealthy.

"That's all it could take to trigger a wave of federal prosecutions and begin an era of censorship like America has never seen!" he warned.

Critics have said "hate crimes" laws actually criminalize thought because they demand enhanced penalties because of the "perception" of the victim by the perpetrator. A mugger, for example, who attacks a victim while screaming an epithet denoting a race or sexual preference could get a much more significant penalty than a mugger who attacks a victim but doesn't say anything.

Matt Barber, director of cultural affairs at Liberty Counsel, has spoken out repeatedly in opposition to the idea.

"The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees equal protection under the law," he said. "Hate crimes legislation is … [a] violation of the Fourteenth Amendment in that it elevates one class of citizen based upon their chosen sexual behaviors above other people."

Coral Ridge Ministries, launched by the late D. James Kennedy, has published a book on the issue by John Aman, who says such laws put into doubt "the future of religious liberty and freedom of speech for Christians."

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Re: H.R. 1913, Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 01:58:14 pm »
Obama And Democrats Outdo Themselves With HR-1913

If you thought you had heard all the bad news coming from the Obama administration and a Democrat packed congress, you were wrong.

Two weeks ago, Representatives John Conyers (D-MI) and Mark Kirk (R-IL) quietly re-introduced the so-called hate crimes bill--H.R. 1913, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009. It is now expected that on Wednesday April 22, the full US House Judiciary Committee will vote on H.R. 1913, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009.

Crimes already illegal will be considered "hate crimes" depending on the intent of the criminal. Therefore we must only hire psychologists as policemen or we have to assume all policemen are trained psychologists. Penalties for "hate crimes" will be greater than for the same crime not considered based on hate of the victim. Does this make any sense to a reasonable person? The criminal act is the same only the impossible assessment of the motivation is supposed to be different. It is one thing to deplore acts of violence against innocent victims or bias-motivated violent crimes directed at anyone including lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (gender confused) (LGBT) persons, it is another thing to try to get into the criminal's mind to ascertain his motivation. The law should not provide extra legal protection for someone simply because of the way he/she engages in sex.

The so-called hate crimes bill will be used to lay the legal foundation and framework to investigate, prosecute and persecute pastors, business owners, Bible teachers, Sunday School teachers, youth leaders, Christian counselors, religious broadcasters and anyone else who the law deems capable of committing a crime motivated by hate of the victim. The problem is that innocent people like those just mentioned who believe in the Bible teachings will come under the rubric of committing a hate crime if they express their religious beliefs.

H.R. 1913 broadly defines "intimidation. A pastor's sermon could be considered "hate speech" under this legislation if heard by an individual who then acts aggressively against persons based on any "sexual orientation." The pastor could be prosecuted for "conspiracy to commit a hate crime." During congressional committee markup in 2007, Representative Arthur Davis (D-AL) admitted that the legislation will not protect a pastor from prosecution. (So-Called hate crime bill threatens religious freedom)

The main purpose of this "hate crime" legislation is to add the categories of "sexual orientation" and "gender identity," "either actual or perceived," as new classes of individuals receiving special protection by federal law. Sexual orientation includes heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality on an ever-expanding number of categories deemed worthy of special treatment. Will Congress also protect other sexual orientations - such as pedophilia or polygamy?

Gender discrimination as a basis of a hate crime produces some interesting results. Gender identity includes such classes of people as cross-dressers, she-male, drag queens, transvestites and transsexuals. Under the Act, neither "sexual orientation" nor "gender identity" are really defined. How can a law be enforced if the new classes receiving special protection remain undefined? The sexual behaviors considered sinful and immoral by most major religions will be elevated to a protected "minority" class under federal law.

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender activists (the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) have aggressively promoted the idea that any speech, including Bible oriented speech and anything in opposition to the gay agenda, will lead inevitability to violent "hate" crimes. This really enables them to demand restrictions of such speech as a way of protecting homosexuals from violence. What they're really targeting is speech against LGBT behaviors that is based upon an understanding of what the Bible says about this behavior. In short, they're targeting Bible Speech - not actual "hate speech."

The ILGA have a broad definition of "hate crime: "Hate crimes are criminal acts (such as violent crime, hate speech or vandalism motivated by feelings of hostility against any identifiable group of people within a society." The ILGA defines hate crime to include so-called hate speech and wants to limit the First Amendment freedom of expression to distinguish homosexuals and their cousins from criticism of any sort.

On the website "hatecrime.org," LGBT activists claim that pro-family organizations are engaging in hate speech when they criticize homosexual conduct and his "hate speech" allegedly leads to hate crimes that must be suppressed.

The Hate Crime law, HR-1913, will make 30 sexual orientations federally-protected. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) has published 30 such sexual orientations that, because of Congress's failure to define "sexual orientation," will arguably be protected under this legislation. These 30 orientations are listed in the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV), which is used by physicians, psychologists, social workers, nurses, and psychiatrists throughout the U.S. It is considered the dictionary of mental disorders. Those 30 sexual orientations include behaviors that are felonies or misdemeanors in most states or can result in death.

Among those sexual orientations are (Protecting 30 Bizarre "Sexual Orientations" And "Gender Identity" -- Ever-Expanding Definitions):

Fronteurism -- which involves a man approaching an unknown woman and rubbing up against her buttocks; this is already criminal behavior.
Incest -- which is a crime (sex with a daughter or son).
Necrophilia -- a crime (sex with a corpse).
Pedophilia -- a crime (sex with an underage child).
Prostitution -- a crime in most states.
Zoophilia -- (beastiality) which is a crime in numerous states.
Voyeurism -- which is a criminal offense in most states.

Non-criminal sexual orientations include such behaviors as:

Autogeynephilia -- the perception of a man as being a woman;
Apotemnophilia -- sexual arousal from the stumps of an amputee;
Coprophilia -- sexual arousal from feces;
Urophilia -- sexual arousal from urine
Transvestic Fetishism -- intense sexually-arousing fantasies, sexual urges, and behaviors involving cross-dressing.

To protect a "sexual orientation" under H.R. 1913 - while leaving that term undefined -- is to protect this whole range of bizarre sexual behaviors. It is to normalize by federal law what are still considered to be mental disorders (paraphilias) by the American Psychiatric Association.

On the website "hatecrime.org," LGBT activists claim that pro-family organizations are engaging in hate speech when they criticize homosexual conduct and his "hate speech" allegedly leads to hate crimes and must be suppressed. This site compares opposition to homosexuality as equal to Adolph Hitler's slaughter of six million Jews in Europe before and during World War II.

This homosexual militant group has a lot of supporters and they flex their muscles all over the country.

The San Francisco Board of Supervisors passed a resolution blaming religious groups for so-called "hate crimes" such as the murder of Mathew Shepard. In addition, the Board approved a resolution urging the local media not to carry advertisements by pro-family organizations that addressed hope for homosexuals to change.

In New York, a billboard with a Bible verse on it was taken down under pressure from city officials, who cited it as "hate speech."

In Massachusetts in 2005, parent David Parker was arrested for protesting his elementary school child having to listen to pro-LGBT propaganda! He eventually removed his child from the school. He was in court for two years and lost all of his appeals.

Slavic students in Sacramento wore anti-gay agenda T-shirts to protest the gay-inspired Day of Silence on campus. They were punished for their views. The claim that hate crime laws against violence do not affect free speech or freedom of religion is bogus.

One of the most serious attacks on free speech and religious freedom came in Philadelphia in 2004.

Eleven Christians were arrested on felony charges for preaching the Word of God at a gay pride rally. Eight charges were filed against them: three felony charges and five misdemeanors. Charges were eventually dropped against six of the Christians, but the five left faced potential prison sentences of 47 years in jail and fines up to $90,000!

They were charged under Pennsylvania's hate crime law, which had recently added "sexual orientation" to their statute. The Christians were charged with: criminal conspiracy, possession of instruments of crime, reckless endangerment of another person, ethnic intimidation, riot, failure to disperse, disorderly conduct and obstructing highways. The "instruments of crime" were bull horns for witnessing.

The "ethnic intimidation" section of the hate crime statute was used against the Christians for having preached to the homosexuals in the parade and rally. Their "speech" was considered ethnic intimidation. The charges were eventually dropped against the Christians for having no basis in fact - but their free speech and religious freedom were violated and they had to spend thousands of dollars on legal fees.

The far-left 9th Circuit Court in San Francisco has attacked freedom of speech and religion for the Christian employees of the city of Oakland, California.

The court issued a memo declaring that it sided with the city of Oakland in censoring the emails and posters of the Good News Employee Association that used words like "Natural Family," "Marriage" and "Family Values" in their materials. The 9th Circuit said the city had the right to censor those words because it made LGBT employees uncomfortable and violated the city's sexual orientation ordinance! These words were considered "statements of a homophobic nature" and "sexual-orientation-based harassment."

These are only a few examples that show how sexual orientation and hate crime laws can be used to suppress religious freedom and free speech.

This legislation provides hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund so-called anti-hate programs. This includes a series of $100,000 grants to organizations allegedly fighting "hate" in their communities. If signed into law, this so-called hate crimes bill will be used to fund pro-LGBT teaching materials for our nation's public schools.

Here are a series of articles on hate crime legislation that go into great detail about the dangers of these laws.

So-Called hate crime bill threatens religious freedom

Protecting 30 Bizarre "Sexual Orientations" And "Gender Identity" -- Ever-Expanding Definitions

Religious Freedom Is Threatened By H.R. 1913

H.R. 1913 Will Inevitably Fund Anti-Christian Bigotry - And Attack Bible Speech

Misleading 'Hate Crime' Statistics

One tactic that is often used by homosexuals is to employ percentages in reporting on increases in hate crimes against LBGT persons instead of actual numbers or defining what those numbers mean. For example, a LBGT group could claim that hate crimes jumped 50% from one year to the next. This could only mean that there were 10 crimes last year and an additional 5 this year. The 50% figure sounds much worse than just honestly reporting that crime went from 10 to 15. (Misleading 'Hate Crime' Statistics)

LBGT claims that every 6 hours of every day, a homosexual, bisexual, or transgender person is "violently" attacked by a bigot. If this were true, there would be 1,460 such violent attacks each year, yet the group fails to define what "violent" is.

Here are the facts about examples of hate crimes.

FBI statistics on "hate crimes" against a person's sexual orientation from 2007 (the latest available) reveal the following: In 2007 there were 1,521 victims of "sexual orientation" bias. However, the breakdown of these crimes is listed as:

335 were crimes of intimidation (shouting or name-calling)

448 were crimes of simple assault (defined as pushing or shoving without physical injury) 242 were crimes of aggravated assault (defined as bodily harm) -
(source: FBI statistics 2007).

From FBI collected data (same source as stated above) we can see there were only 242 crimes against a person's sexual orientation that could be considered "violent." And, twenty-seven of these bias crimes were directed against heterosexuals! All together, there were 9,535 victims of bias crimes in 2007. This includes bias against race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity/national origin, disability, or multiple-bias incidents.

The FBI statistics do not indicate how many of these "violent hate crimes" were committed by homosexuals against other homosexuals - or what provoked the violence.

Out of a total number of 855,856 cases of aggravated assault in 2007, only 242 were directed at LGBT individuals. This is only 0.02827578411446785% of all aggravated assaults! This is not an epidemic of hate against LGBT individuals. So, in a nation of 300 million people, there were only 242 "violent" crimes against homosexuals, bisexuals or drag queens in 2007. This is no epidemic of hate and local law enforcement does not need intrusive federal intervention to deal with such a miniscule number of crimes.

No Epidemic Of Hate Crimes Exists. H.R. 1913 falsely claims in Section 2, without any evidence, that "the incidence of violence motivated by the actual or perceived race, color, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender, or disability of the victim poses a serious national problem."

FBI statistics, 2007, show that out of a nation of 300 million, there were only 1,521 hate crimes directed against a person's sexual orientation in 2007. The majority of these "crimes" involved name-calling and pushing or shoving a person. It is clear from FBI statistics that there is no epidemic of hate against homosexuals that needs federal involvement in local law enforcement.

In fact, in analyzing FBI statistics, it is clear that anti-religious bias and racial bias are more serious issues than sexual orientation bias. Here's a comparison of statistics on race, religion, and sexual orientation:

Out of 4,956 racial incidents, 908 were anti-white; 3,424 were anti-African American; and the rest were bias crimes against other races.

Out of 1,628 anti-religious bias crimes, 1,127 were against Jews; 142 against Muslims; 70 against Catholics; 67 against Protestants. The rest were against other religions.

Homosexual activists are well-known for having staged a number of fake hate crimes throughout the years.

For example, homosexual activists have claimed that a 72-year-old homosexual named Andrew Anthos of Detroit was attacked by an African-American man who called him a "faggot" and struck him in the head with a metal pipe, killing him. Police later learned that Anthos had not been the victim of a hate crime. He had fallen because of a severe arthritic condition in his neck. He was also mentally ill.

In January, 2007, a homosexual student at Boise State University told police that a man had beaten him in the back of the head and swore at him. He later admitted to police that he'd faked the crime by using a stick and his fists to beat himself.

The faking of hate crimes by homosexuals goes back years. In 2000, U.S. News & World Report columnist John Leo documented case after case of faked hate crimes by homosexuals. One involved Jerry Kennedy, a homosexual student at the University of Georgia. Kennedy reported to police that he'd been the victim of nine hate crimes over a three-year period - including three acts of arson. He later admitted faking these.

The objective of LGBT activists is to gain sympathy for their gay agenda or the passage of pro-LGBT legislation such as H.R. 1913. If H.R. 1913 passes, we can expect a further flood of these phony hate crimes.

Homosexual groups will provide false or misleading information to reporters on the extent of this alleged epidemic of hate - and they'll organize candle-light vigils, put on plays and use other street theater antics to push their agenda. What is this agenda? It's getting LGBT conduct to be given minority status protection under federal law - and to use this legislation to persecute anyone who criticizes LGBT behaviors.

It is imperative that all people who know and understand the gravity of HR-1913 should call their Congressman and tell them to vote against this bill. If they don't understand what the consequences of passing HR-1913 into law, send them a copy of this article or extract portions for a letter or fax to your representatives.

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2009, 02:02:03 pm »
Wow!! It's just going everywhere!!

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Re: H.R. 1913, Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 02:45:12 pm »
I can think of one thing remotely associated with the number 1913 that is a hate crime.
The establishment of the Federal Reserve.

I have heard and read many things that were distasteful if not down right disturbing. Such is the nature of free speech. Anyone who wants to curtail your right to speak your mind in public, be it air waves or the internet, secretly wishes to be your master in all things.

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 04:56:16 am »
House agrees to muzzle pastors with 'hate crimes' plan
'This is first time protected status given to whatever sexual orientation one has'

Members of the U.S. House today approved a plan to create a federal "hate crimes" plan that will provide special protections to homosexuals and others with alternative sexual choices, but leave Christian ministers and pastors open to prosecution should their teachings be linked to any subsequent offense, by anyone, against a "gay."

The vote was 249-175, and came despite intense Republican opposition to the creation of the privileged class.

Bishop Harry Jackson Jr. of the High Impact Leadership Coalition also condemned the action, offering a warning about the future of the United States.

He was interviewed on the issue by Greg Corombos of Radio America/WND, and the audio of his interview is embedded here:http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96595

Jackson said the action simply puts "sexual orientation" in a specially protected class under federal law.

"Based on history, it really isn't something that needs to be protected," he said. "There's a problem that this is going to mark the first time that a protected class status is given to … whatever sexual orientation one has."

He said the history in other nations is a fairly certain prosecution of Christians. In Sweden, for example, a minister who preached out of Leviticus was sentenced to 30 days in jail – for preaching out of Leviticus.

Similar state laws have resulted in similar results. In Philadelphia several years ago a 73-year-old grandmother was jailed for trying to share Christian tracts with people at a homosexual festival, he said.

U.S. Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., said H.R. 1913 will create "thought crimes," and U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., said it will end equality in the United States.

U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, charged the plan will divide America into groups of more favored versus less. He again cited USC Title 18, Section 2a, the foundation of H.R. 1913, which says anyone who through speech "induces" commission of a violent hate crime "will be tried as a principal" alongside the active offender.

But there is no epidemic of hate in the U.S. he noted.

U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., introduced a striking argument: If Miss California, Carrie Prejean, who supports traditional marriage had slapped the homosexual judge who derided her on the stage under H.R. 1913 she could be indicted as a "violent hate criminal," facing a possible 10 years in prison. But, Forbes said, if the homosexual judge had slapped her, she would have had no special protection under H.R. 1913.

Andrea Lafferty, executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition, said, "The Anti-Christian Caucus of the U.S. House of Representatives has acted today to lay the legal foundation and framework to investigate, prosecute and persecute pastors, youth pastors, Bible teachers, and anyone else whose Bible speech and thought is based upon and reflects the truths found in the Bible.

"A pastor’s sermon could be considered 'hate speech' under this legislation if heard by an individual who then acts aggressively against persons based on 'sexual orientation.' The pastor could be prosecuted for “conspiracy to commit a hate crime," she said.

"This Democrat-controlled Congress has now elevated pedophiles and other bizarre sexual orientations, as well as drag queens, transgenders, lesbians and gay men to the level of protection of that already given to African Americans, Hispanics and other minorities in the law," she said.

House Republican leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the Democrats simply have placed a higher value on some lives compared to others, a decision he said is unconstitutional.

Not happy with just making Christian teachings on homosexuality illegal, noted officials at Liberty Counsel, supporters have approved the law that also provides grant money for so-called "sensitivity-training" to provide pro-homosexual propaganda.

When a plan virtually identical to the current Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 was developed in the last Congress, Rep. Artur Davis, D-Ala., admitted during a hearing on the bill it could be used to prosecute pastors merely for preaching against homosexuality under the premise that they could be "inducing" violence in someone.

The bill ultimately failed then because President Bush determined it was unnecessary – the crimes banned in the legislation already are addressed by other laws – and it probably was unconstitutional.

"The federal hate crimes bill is bad news for everyone," said Brad Dacus of Pacific Justice Institute, who testified in Congress against the bill two years ago.

"Instead of treating all crime victims equally, it creates a caste system where select groups, such as gays and lesbians, are given greater priority in the criminal justice system. This is not progress; it is political correctness. In other nations and states, the adoption of hate crimes legislation has been the first step toward widespread suppression of speech and ideas critical of homosexuality," he said.

Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel has spoken out against H.R. 1913 a number of times.

"As has proved to be true in both Europe and Canada, this Orwellian piece of legislation is the direct precursor to freedom killing and speech chilling 'hate speech' laws. It represents a thinly veiled effort to ultimately silence – under penalty of law – morally, medically and biblically based opposition to the homosexual lifestyle," he said.

Barber said the 14th Amendment already provides that victims of violent crimes are afforded equal protection under the law "regardless of sexual preference or proclivity."

Barber cited FBI statistics showing there were about 1.4 million violent crimes in the U.S. in 2007, but only 1,512 were presumed to be "hate crimes." And two-thirds of those involved claims of "hateful" words, touching and shoving.

Under the specifications of the law, a Christian needn't touch a homosexual to face charges, he noted.

"If the homosexual merely claims he was subjectively placed in 'apprehension of bodily injury' by the Christian's words then, again, the Christian can be thrown in prison for a felony 'hate crime,'" he said.


WND reported previously that the plan was introduced by Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., who said, "The bill only applies to bias-motivated violent crimes and does not impinge public speech or writing in any way."

Section 10 of the act states, "Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution."

However, critics cite United States Code Title 18, Section 2, as evidence of how the legislation could be used against people who merely speak out against homosexuality. It states: Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.

Jeff King, president of International Christian Concern, warned Christians to speak up before the legislation passes. He said they are acting like the proverbial frog in a slowly heating kettle that boils to death.

"They need to wake up and take action to oppose this threat to religious liberty."

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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 06:34:45 am »
ALL religious groups better read up on this bill!

As a follower of Jesus Christ...

" For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!" 1 Corinthians 9:16 (KJV)

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2009, 06:38:59 am »
I believe you will have as much success as we did.  Meaning none.  They will pass it anyway they can.  After all it's a UN based law!! :\

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2009, 08:28:04 am »
BUMP,

for free speech, which has taken a huge step back wards and tossed in some closet somewhere.
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Re: H.R. 1913, Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 08:35:47 am »
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. ~ Jesus Christ {Mark 8:38 KJV}

That about raps up what I think of this world and their hate speech Laws!

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2009, 08:43:22 am »
1913... that damn haunting number.

You know the government has run out of things to do when they're trying to regulate people's speech.

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2009, 10:31:44 am »
Kennedy brings 'hate crimes' into Senate
Matches House-approved plan to crack down on biblical teachings

A bill that would provide federal money to train law enforcement officers to identify and criminally prosecute speech and thought offensive to homosexuals has been introduced into the U.S. Senate, matching a House-approved bill that critics fear will be used to crack down on biblical teachings.

The proposal, from Democratic Sens. Edward Kennedy and Patrick Leahy, aligns with H.R. 1913, which was approved in the U.S. House yesterday.

It denies protections to classes of citizens such as pastors, Christians, missionaries, veterans and the elderly that would be granted to homosexuals and those with gender issues.

It it named the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act after a Wyoming homosexual who was killed in a horrific robbery and beating in 1998.

It also provides money "to improve the education and training of local officials to identify, investigate, prosecute and prevent hate crimes."

Kennedy described "hate crimes" as "especially poisonous."

"They are acts of domestic terrorism that target whole communities, not just individuals," he claimed. "This bill will bring greater protection to our citizens and much-needed resources for state and local law enforcement to fight these vicious crimes."

President Obama, supported strongly during his campaign by homosexual advocates, appears ready to respond to their desires.

"I urge members on both sides of the aisle to act on this important civil rights issue by passing this legislation to protect all of our citizens from violent acts of intolerance," he said.

Christians across the nation, however, have spoken with an almost unanimous voice in opposing the special designation of homosexuals and others for federal protection denied other groups of citizens.

They condemned House members who refused to provide the same protections for seniors, pregnant women and members of the military. Also rejected was an amendment that would have specified that pedophiles cannot claim any protection under the bill.

The House vote was 249-175.

Similar state laws have resulted in persecution for Christians. In Philadelphia several years ago, a 73-year-old grandmother was jailed for trying to share Christian tracts with people at a homosexual festival.

Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., said H.R. 1913 will create "thought crimes," and U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., said it will end equality in the U.S.

Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, charged the plan will divide America into groups of more favored versus less. He again cited USC Title 18, Section 2a, the foundation of H.R. 1913, which says anyone who through speech "induces" commission of a violent hate crime "will be tried as a principal" alongside the active offender.

But there is no epidemic of hate in the U.S., he noted.

Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., introduced a striking argument: If Miss California, Carrie Prejean, who supports traditional marriage, had slapped the homosexual judge who derided her on the stage under H.R. 1913 she could be indicted as a "violent hate criminal," facing a possible 10 years in prison. But, Forbes said, if the homosexual judge had slapped her, she would have had no special protection under H.R. 1913.

Andrea Lafferty, executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition, said, "A pastor's sermon could be considered 'hate speech' under this legislation if heard by an individual who then acts aggressively against persons based on 'sexual orientation.' The pastor could be prosecuted for 'conspiracy to commit a hate crime'" she said.

"This Democrat-controlled Congress has now elevated pedophiles and other bizarre sexual orientations, as well as drag queens, transgenders, lesbians and gay men to the level of protection of that already given to African Americans, Hispanics and other minorities in the law," she said.

House Republican leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the Democrats have placed a higher value on some lives compared to others, a decision he said is unconstitutional.

The bill previously failed when President Bush determined it was unnecessary – the crimes banned in the legislation already are addressed by other laws – and it probably was unconstitutional.

"The federal hate crimes bill is bad news for everyone," said Brad Dacus of Pacific Justice Institute, who testified in Congress against the bill two years ago.

Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel has spoken out against H.R. 1913 a number of times.

"As has proved to be true in both Europe and Canada, this Orwellian piece of legislation is the direct precursor to freedom killing and speech chilling 'hate speech' laws. It represents a thinly veiled effort to ultimately silence – under penalty of law – morally, medically and biblically based opposition to the homosexual lifestyle," he said.


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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2009, 10:38:05 am »
so its illegal to speak against sodomites now?
ahh well HATE CRIME HATE CRIME OMG CALL PETA

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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2009, 11:05:05 am »
ROFL so these crimes are somehow different than other crimes?  I think hating people for hating people should be prosecuted under this hate crime bill.  using this logic we could prosecute john conyers and company for just bringing the bill around.  It's circular logic and it has never made sense.

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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2009, 11:10:21 am »
There is a clear difference between explaining why you disapprove of something and hate speech. The problem is that many pastors don't understand when they've crossed the line. When the leader of a tax-exempt organization influences those who listens to his/her sermons to harbor negative feelings towards certain groups of people, then there is a real problem. If churches weren't tax-exempt I could see holding them to a different standard, but there's not a lot of difference between being tax-exempt and being subsidized by the government and I really don't want to see a tax-exempt organization get away with spreading hate speech that leads to the harm of anyone perceived as belonging to some group that is disapproved of by a bunch of half-wits pretending that their hate is justified by what they consider to be holy scriptures.

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2009, 11:23:04 am »
There is a clear difference between explaining why you disapprove of something and hate speech. The problem is that many pastors don't understand when they've crossed the line. When the leader of a tax-exempt organization influences those who listens to his/her sermons to harbor negative feelings towards certain groups of people, then there is a real problem. If churches weren't tax-exempt I could see holding them to a different standard, but there's not a lot of difference between being tax-exempt and being subsidized by the government and I really don't want to see a tax-exempt organization get away with spreading hate speech that leads to the harm of anyone perceived as belonging to some group that is disapproved of by a bunch of half-wits pretending that their hate is justified by what they consider to be holy scriptures.


This is about freedom of speech, and anyones ability to speak out on soemthing they feel is wrong. God is very clear on his stance of the homosexual life style and is not hate speech. This is just not against churches or pastures, any one that disagrees with the life style can now be brought up on chrges.
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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2009, 11:36:24 am »
BUMP,

for free speech, which has taken a huge step back wards and tossed in some closet somewhere.

BUMP+

But it isn't only Free Speech being tossed away. 

Free Speech
Freedom of the Press
Right to Bare Arms
The Right to Privacy within one's person, effects, and private property.
Posse Comitatus 
Habeas Corpus
etc...

It is among the rest of them slipping away as well, as described in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.


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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2009, 11:38:16 am »
I can think of one thing remotely associated with the number 1913 that is a hate crime.
The establishment of the Federal Reserve.


I have heard and read many things that were distasteful if not down right disturbing. Such is the nature of free speech. Anyone who wants to curtail your right to speak your mind in public, be it air waves or the internet, secretly wishes to be your master in all things.

The only thing more dangerous than self aggrandizing tyrants is a well intentioned idiot.

You know that is EXACTLY what I was thinking--how appropriate.  These bastards!
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2009, 02:24:11 pm »

This is about freedom of speech, and anyones ability to speak out on soemthing they feel is wrong. God is very clear on his stance of the homosexual life style and is not hate speech. This is just not against churches or pastures, any one that disagrees with the life style can now be brought up on chrges.

No, it is not the case that merely expressing disagreement with someone's lifestyle is being banned. It is quite easy to express the fact that you disagree with something without crossing the line and expressing yourself in a threatening or hateful manner. The problem is that many pastors have abused their power by expressing hateful speech that crosses the line in such a manner as to potentially incite someone in their congregation to do something harmful to another human being based on the perception that that person adheres to a lifestyle that is disapproved of under some set of religious beliefs. Obviously there are modes of expression that fall squarely into protected speech and there are modes of expression that are clearly provocative to the point of potentially endangering the well-being of others. As long as pastors make it clear that they love the sinner, but hate the sin and that they under no circumstances support the use of violence against sinners or any form of bullying or harassment or discrimination against sinners, then there is absolutely no problem. This hate speech legislation will do nothing to hamper free speech and it will keep the loose cannons out there from using their influence to endanger the welfare of others!

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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2009, 02:46:40 pm »
No, it is not the case that merely expressing disagreement with someone's lifestyle is being banned. It is quite easy to express the fact that you disagree with something without crossing the line and expressing yourself in a threatening or hateful manner. The problem is that many pastors have abused their power by expressing hateful speech that crosses the line in such a manner as to potentially incite someone in their congregation to do something harmful to another human being based on the perception that that person adheres to a lifestyle that is disapproved of under some set of religious beliefs. Obviously there are modes of expression that fall squarely into protected speech and there are modes of expression that are clearly provocative to the point of potentially endangering the well-being of others. As long as pastors make it clear that they love the sinner, but hate the sin and that they under no circumstances support the use of violence against sinners or any form of bullying or harassment or discrimination against sinners, then there is absolutely no problem. This hate speech legislation will do nothing to hamper free speech and it will keep the loose cannons out there from using their influence to endanger the welfare of others!

so you agree with the bill? its ok to stifle freedom of speech?? Do you also agree that the pasturs in jail in Canada and Europe for doing nothing but saying just what the Bible says on gay issues should be in Jail?? Are you your self not spreading hate??
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2009, 04:06:26 pm »
so you agree with the bill?  its ok to stifle freedom of speech??
I wouldn't say that I'm in complete agreement with the bill and I certainly do not want to stifle freedom of speech. However, encouraging someone to commit hate crimes is not protected speech and that is the type of speech that is targeted by this bill.
Do you also agree that the pasturs in jail in Canada and Europe for doing nothing but saying just what the Bible says on gay issues should be in Jail?? Are you your self not spreading hate??
I don't believe that anyone has been put in jail in Canada or Europe for "doing nothing but saying just what the Bible says on gay issues"!!! These pastors add their own interpretations to the scriptures and throw in a few suggestions that congregation members do a little something to motivate sinners to change. Obviously I am completely against hate speech and if you read what I said in the statement of mine that you quoted I made it abundantly clear that it is possible to talk about Biblical teachings without engaging in hate speech, however, some pastors go beyond the teachings and add their own hateful interpretations and that's when they get into trouble.

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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2009, 04:39:04 pm »
I wouldn't say that I'm in complete agreement with the bill and I certainly do not want to stifle freedom of speech. However, encouraging someone to commit hate crimes is not protected speech and that is the type of speech that is targeted by this bill.I don't believe that anyone has been put in jail in Canada or Europe for "doing nothing but saying just what the Bible says on gay issues"!!! These pastors add their own interpretations to the scriptures and throw in a few suggestions that congregation members do a little something to motivate sinners to change. Obviously I am completely against hate speech and if you read what I said in the statement of mine that you quoted I made it abundantly clear that it is possible to talk about Biblical teachings without engaging in hate speech, however, some pastors go beyond the teachings and add their own hateful interpretations and that's when they get into trouble.

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I wouldn't say that I'm in complete agreement with the bill and I certainly do not want to stifle freedom of speech. However, encouraging someone to commit hate crimes is not protected speech and that is the type of speech that is targeted by this bill.

Do you really believe that?? Do you think it will stop there?? Freedom of speech is the freedom to say what ever you want, regardless to what others think. That is one of the founding principles of this country. You do have the right to offend and be offended. But all you want are people that preach the Bible to be quite. Islam is harsher on gays than the Bible, yet there are no Imams in jail for speaking out against it. Hmmm.... wonder why that is?? Sorryy but you support this than you really cant complain about anything. Whats next people that speak out against abortion?? But your probably for that too, so no worries.

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I don't believe that anyone has been put in jail in Canada or Europe for "doing nothing but saying just what the Bible says on gay issues"!!! These pastors add their own interpretations to the scriptures and throw in a few suggestions that congregation members do a little something to motivate sinners to change. Obviously I am completely against hate speech and if you read what I said in the statement of mine that you quoted I made it abundantly clear that it is possible to talk about Biblical teachings without engaging in hate speech, however, some pastors go beyond the teachings and add their own hateful interpretations and that's when they get into trouble.

I think maybe you should look into and see jsut how wrong you are. http://www.akegreen.org/

Its sad that your the one that wants to stifle freedom. or maybe its just the people that are going to be affected that you hate.  :(
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2009, 04:02:32 am »
Next on Senate agenda? 'Pedophile Protection Act'
'Hate crimes' law definitions would protect 547 sex 'philias'

The leader of a pro-family organization says families across the nation need to contact their U.S. senators now to try to derail a legislative plan that already has passed the U.S. House and is being awaited by President Obama – after a Democrat confirmed it would protect "all 547 forms of sexual deviancy or 'paraphilias' listed by the American Psychiatric Association."

WND columnist Janet Porter, who also heads the Faith2Action Christian ministry, today cited S. 909, dubbed the "Pedophile Protection Act," as an extreme danger to America.

As H.R. 1913, the House version of the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act bill, the plan was adopted on a 249-175 vote, but not before several amendments were proposed by Republicans trying to mitigate the impact of the law.

Democratic Sens. Edward Kennedy and Patrick Leahy immediately introduced a matching plan in the U.S. Senate, and activists say a vote in committee could come as early as tomorrow.

The proposal, also called the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act after a Wyoming homosexual who was killed in a horrific robbery and beating in 1998, creates a special class for homosexuals and others with alternative sexual lifestyles and provides them protections against so-called "hate."

It specifically denies such protections to other targeted classes of citizens such as pastors, Christians, missionaries, veterans and the elderly.

Wrote Porter, "I've written extensively about how this bill would criminalize Christianity and turn those who disagree with the homosexual agenda into felons, but criminalizing Christianity is just the beginning of what this bill would do. It would also elevate pedophiles as a special protected class – since the term 'sexual orientation' which has been added to the 'hate crimes' legislation includes them in the American Psychiatric Association's definition of various 'sexual orientations."

Porter cited the amendment offering from Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, in committee that was very simple:

The term sexual orientation as used in this act or any amendments to this act does not include pedophilia.
But majority Democrats refused to accept it.

Rep. Louis Gohmert, R-Texas, then explained what it means, Porter wrote.

There are only 242 crimes where there is actually some – truly – an assault, and we just rejected an amendment to including pedophilia from being a part of this protected class. Do you realize what that means?

If a mother hears that their child has been raped and she slaps the assailant with her purse, she is now gone after as a hate criminal because this is a protected class. There are other protected classes in here. I mean simple exhibitionism. I have female friends who have told me over the years that some guy flashed them, and their immediate reaction was to hit them with their purse. Well now, he's committed a misdemeanor, she has committed a federal hate crime because the exhibitionism is protected under sexual orientation.

I know my friend said that we have a definition in the law, but there is nothing in this bill that references the definitions in the Hate Crimes Statistical Act…it's not there. We asked that it be added so we could get a specific definition. It is not there.

And having reviewed cases as an appellate judge, I know that when the legislature has the chance to include a definition and refuses, then what we look at is the plain meaning of those words. The plain meaning of sexual orientation is anything to which someone is orientated. That could include exhibitionism, it could include necrophilia (sexual arousal/activity with a corpse) … it could include Urophilia (sexual arousal associated with urine), voyeurism. You see someone spying on you changing clothes and you hit them, they've committed a misdemeanor, you've committed a federal felony under this bill. It is so wrong.
King, Porter wrote, also told the full U.S. House that the APA has a list of 547 different "paraphilias" that would be protected by members of Congress under the "hate crimes" bill.

Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., a "hate crimes" supporter, agreed, saying:

This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to guarantee that all Americans regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all of these 'Philias' and fetishes and 'ism's' that were put forward need not live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule…"
Porter said families, parents, Americans, anyone interested in the future of the nation, need to contact their members in the Senate and demand hearings, then demand a filibuster.

"Pushing away an unwelcome advance of a homosexual, transgendered, cross-dresser or exhibitionist could make you a felon under this law. Speaking out against the homosexual agenda could also make you a felon if you are said to influence someone who pushes away that unwelcome advance. And pedophiles and other sexual deviants would enjoy an elevated level of protection while children, seniors, veterans, and churches would not," Porter said.

The "hate crimes" proposal not only sets up criminal charges against those whose actions or words offend homosexuals but also provides money "to improve the education and training of local officials to identify, investigate, prosecute and prevent hate crimes."

President Obama, supported strongly during his campaign by homosexual advocates, appears ready to respond to their desires.

"I urge members on both sides of the aisle to act on this important civil rights issue by passing this legislation to protect all of our citizens from violent acts of intolerance," he said.

Gary Cass of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission said the Senate proposal could be voted on in committee as early as tomorrow.

"You must call the Senate today and demand that they hold hearings on this bill," he wrote. "It is one of the most radical pieces of legislation to ever make its way to the Senate. If passed, it will lay the groundwork for restricting religious liberty and freedom of speech as it has in Canada and Europe."

Similar state laws have resulted in persecution for Christians. In Philadelphia several years ago, a 73-year-old grandmother was jailed for trying to share Christian tracts with people at a homosexual festival.

Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., said H.R. 1913 will create "thought crimes," and U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., said it will end equality in the U.S.

Gohmert warned the law will be used against pastors – or anyone else – who speaks against homosexuality or other alternative sexual lifestyle choices. He said it provides that anyone who through speech "induces" commission of a violent hate crime "will be tried as a principal" alongside the active offender.

Critics say that would allow for prosecutions against pastors who preach a biblical ban on homosexuality if someone who hears such a message later is accused of any crime.

Andrea Lafferty, executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition, said, "A pastor's sermon could be considered 'hate speech' under this legislation if heard by an individual who then acts aggressively against persons based on 'sexual orientation.' The pastor could be prosecuted for 'conspiracy to commit a hate crime'" she said.

The bill previously failed when President Bush determined it was unnecessary – the crimes banned in the legislation already are addressed by other laws – and it probably is unconstitutional.

"The federal hate crimes bill is bad news for everyone," said Brad Dacus of Pacific Justice Institute, who testified in Congress against the bill two years ago.

Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel has spoken out against H.R. 1913 a number of times.

"As has proved to be true in both Europe and Canada, this Orwellian piece of legislation is the direct precursor to freedom killing and speech chilling 'hate speech' laws. It represents a thinly veiled effort to ultimately silence – under penalty of law – morally, medically and biblically based opposition to the homosexual lifestyle," he said.

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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2009, 04:03:51 am »
'Bestiality, pedophilia ... pick your poison'
New 'hate-crimes' legislation 'shocks the conscience'

The House of Representatives passed legislation last week to add sexual orientation and gender to the list of categories covered by federal "hate-crimes" laws.

"Pedophilia is one of the scores of sexual orientations that are included, that are protected, that are granted special preferred status under this legislation to the exclusion of other classifications of people," says Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel.

He spoke with Greg Corombos of Radio America/WND. The audio of the exchange is embedded here:

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Republican opponents of the legislation claim Democrat supporters of the measure are not being clear about who exactly will receive special protections under the bill.

"Bestiality, pedophilia ... pick your poison," adds Barber.

He says the legislation "shocks the conscience" and is clearly unconstitutional because it "guarantees unequal protection under the law."

"It's denying protections for veterans, for homeless people, for the elderly that it's granting pedophiles."

Democrat Sens. Edward Kennedy and Patrick Leahy have produced matching legislation in the U.S. Senate and President Obama supports the measure.

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2009, 06:43:31 am »
I wouldn't say that I'm in complete agreement with the bill and I certainly do not want to stifle freedom of speech. However, encouraging someone to commit hate crimes is not protected speech and that is the type of speech that is targeted by this bill.I don't believe that anyone has been put in jail in Canada or Europe for "doing nothing but saying just what the Bible says on gay issues"!!! These pastors add their own interpretations to the scriptures and throw in a few suggestions that congregation members do a little something to motivate sinners to change. Obviously I am completely against hate speech and if you read what I said in the statement of mine that you quoted I made it abundantly clear that it is possible to talk about Biblical teachings without engaging in hate speech, however, some pastors go beyond the teachings and add their own hateful interpretations and that's when they get into trouble.

I don't know who you are, seeing your avatar is the name of a website, but after taking a look at that site your promoting, I can now see the real stance you take! One look at the books available on that site, I can see theres definately an agenda! You may be against any hate speech, but it's apparent theres more your against that your not coming right out and saying about Christianity.

In your ignorance, you don't even realize that you too would be subject to "preaching" hate by your comments against preachers, oh, but wait, preachers aren't protected under your hate crimes bill. How about that? The root of the matter is very simple; certain people don't like being called out for their actions, so they figure the best way to deal with those that oppose them is to have a law passed that protects them from any dissenting opinions. To me, that's the definition of cowardis. That's the weak's solution, throw people in jail because they oppose you!

People like you just don't get it. You don't like being told your wrong, whether your wrong or not, and you hide behind the law to stop people from telling you their own personal views. And your claims of pastors inciting violence through what they preach is absurd at best, but that's the ONLY way you can even begin to justify stifling their opposing views, by claiming a sermon will result in violence. Plainly put, your an idiot! 

Saying you don't like what is being said isn't enough, because you want to say whatever you want, and stop opposing views, so you need to tie those opposing views to physical violence, which you know no one will oppose a law against violence. Your a disgrace to all humanity! You should repent, and ask Jesus to forgive your indifference and narrow-minded, lack of respect for others.

And for the record...

ALL homosexuals need to repent of their deviant lifestyle and turn to Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. You want a law to protect you? Take a look into the "perfect law of liberty"...

"But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed." James 1:25 (KJV)
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Re: H.R. 1913, Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2009, 06:38:42 am »
Congressman: 'Hate crimes' would 'break' Constitution
Criminalizing thought called 'unprecedented in federal law'

The "hate crimes" plan pending in the Senate that has been dubbed the "Pedophile Protection Act" would "break" the U.S. Constitution if adopted and enforced, according to an Arizona congressman.

U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., was interviewed today on WND columnist Janet Porter's radio program for the Faith2Action Christian ministry.

"They have to necessarily break the Constitution for this bill to have any effect," Franks said.

The audio of his interview is embedded here:
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WND has reported multiple times on the developing legislation – a plan that failed under President George W. Bush when he determined it was unnecessary and most likely unconstitutional.

An analysis by Shawn D. Akers, policy analyst with Liberty Counsel, said the proposal, formally known as H.R. 1913, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act bill in the House and S. 909 in the Senate, would create new federal penalties against those whose "victims" were chosen based on an "actual or perceived… sexual orientation, gender identity."

For only $10.95, any member of the public can send letters to all 100 senators, individually addressed and "signed" by the sender. The letters ask for a written response and call for opposition to the bill, including by filibuster if necessary.

"While the bill's supporters have very effectively framed the bill as one that will protect victims from criminal acts, the bill actually has very little to do with protection. Indeed, if the bill's drafters and supporters are to be believed, the bill only becomes relevant after a criminal has committed an already illegal act," Akers wrote.

"On closer analysis, the bill does not merely provide stiffer penalties for certain crimes but, rather, represents a substantive and fundamental shift away from the American ideas of free speech and God-given immutable equality and toward the European ideas of state approved speech, state endorsed morality, state-given egality," he said.

Foremost, the bill simply ignores the 14th Amendment requirements that all citizens be protected equally, providing special protections for homosexuals and others with alternative sexual lifestyle choices, he said.

"The additional criminal fines and prison sentences that would be created by H.R. 1913 are based not on whether the defendant intended to commit the act but on whether the defendant considered the victim's membership in the preferred class in choosing the victim. In other words, because penalties already exist for those who commit criminal acts, H.R. 1913 serves only to punish individuals for the beliefs, opinions, or convictions held at the time an act is committed," he said.

"As such, HR 1913 does not punish criminal intent, but criminalizes thought," he said. "Under the H.R. 1913, the speech of a criminal defendant and the mere membership of the defendant in a given group may be used as evidence of his or her biased motive."

Franks told Porter he hopes there will be a filibuster in the U.S. Senate and that would leave time so "the American people can be educated as to what the effects of this bill will be."

He said such criminalization of thought is "unprecedented in federal law."

Fundamentally, the whole purpose and essence of America is that we hold these truths to be self-evidence: that all of us are created equal," he said. "That sounds redundant but we probably should say it more; we seem to forget it so quickly."

He said the division of society into different groups of people will only foment hatred.

Matt Barber, also of Liberty Counsel, wrote in a commentary, "Not only is this legislation constitutionally dubious on First Amendment grounds, and a prima facie violation of Fourteenth Amendment required 'equal protection of the laws;' it also flies in the face of the Tenth Amendment, which explicitly limits the federal government's authority in such matters to those powers delegated by the U.S. Constitution."

"To illustrate the point, one need look only to the most famous supposed 'hate crimes' victim of all, Matthew Shepard, who, as it later turned out, was killed during a robbery for drug money gone awry.," he wrote. "This fact notwithstanding, the left continues to disgracefully politicize Shepard's memory by claiming he was murdered simply for being 'gay.' … The bizarre irony is palpable. The two thugs who killed Shepard are currently serving life sentences for their crimes – and rightfully so – in the complete absence of any discriminatory and unnecessary 'hate crimes' legislation," he said.

During arguments in the House while the plan was being adopted, lawmakers pointed out the representatives were voting for protection for "all 547 forms of sexual deviancy or 'paraphilias' listed by the American Psychiatric Association."

Porter cited the amendment offering from Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, in committee that was very simple:

The term sexual orientation as used in this act or any amendments to this act does not include pedophilia.
But majority Democrats refused to accept it.

Rep. Louis Gohmert, R-Texas, then explained what it means:

There are only 242 crimes where there is actually some – truly – an assault, and we just rejected an amendment to including pedophilia from being a part of this protected class. Do you realize what that means?

If a mother hears that their child has been raped and she slaps the assailant with her purse, she is now gone after as a hate criminal because this is a protected class. There are other protected classes in here. I mean simple exhibitionism. I have female friends who have told me over the years that some guy flashed them, and their immediate reaction was to hit them with their purse. Well now, he's committed a misdemeanor, she has committed a federal hate crime because the exhibitionism is protected under sexual orientation.

I know my friend said that we have a definition in the law, but there is nothing in this bill that references the definitions in the Hate Crimes Statistical Act…it's not there. We asked that it be added so we could get a specific definition. It is not there.

And having reviewed cases as an appellate judge, I know that when the legislature has the chance to include a definition and refuses, then what we look at is the plain meaning of those words. The plain meaning of sexual orientation is anything to which someone is orientated. That could include exhibitionism, it could include necrophilia (sexual arousal/activity with a corpse) … it could include Urophilia (sexual arousal associated with urine), voyeurism. You see someone spying on you changing clothes and you hit them, they've committed a misdemeanor, you've committed a federal felony under this bill. It is so wrong.
Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., a "hate crimes" supporter, confirmed opponents' fears, saying:

This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to guarantee that all Americans regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all of these 'Philias' and fetishes and 'ism's' that were put forward need not live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule…"
President Obama, supported strongly during his campaign by homosexual advocates, appears ready to respond to their desires.

"I urge members on both sides of the aisle to act on this important civil rights issue by passing this legislation to protect all of our citizens from violent acts of intolerance," he said.


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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2009, 12:04:15 pm »
No, it is not the case that merely expressing disagreement with someone's lifestyle is being banned. It is quite easy to express the fact that you disagree with something without crossing the line and expressing yourself in a threatening or hateful manner. The problem is that many pastors have abused their power by expressing hateful speech that crosses the line in such a manner as to potentially incite someone in their congregation to do something harmful to another human being based on the perception that that person adheres to a lifestyle that is disapproved of under some set of religious beliefs. Obviously there are modes of expression that fall squarely into protected speech and there are modes of expression that are clearly provocative to the point of potentially endangering the well-being of others. As long as pastors make it clear that they love the sinner, but hate the sin and that they under no circumstances support the use of violence against sinners or any form of bullying or harassment or discrimination against sinners, then there is absolutely no problem. This hate speech legislation will do nothing to hamper free speech and it will keep the loose cannons out there from using their influence to endanger the welfare of others!

Bravo!  All this inane tabloid-hate hysteria is nonsense, a former judge points out quite correctly something bad that 'might' happen that we should presume that any other judge would understand just as well and we are all supposed to be terrified and outraged that ELECTED judges should "maybe" have to make such decisions?

Canada has had anti-hate laws for years and none of this nonsense has occurred.

The only actually serious offenses in "Adultery" are faithless procreation and faithlessness in marriage, a supposedly cheaply forgiveable Levitican tax-law 'sin' which these haters have made every conceivable hateful and discriminatory effort to see to and to guarantee to see that homosexuals are forbidden to be capable of commiting...

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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2009, 07:03:09 am »
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As long as pastors make it clear that they love the sinner, but hate the sin and that they under no circumstances support the use of violence against sinners or any form of bullying or harassment or discrimination against sinners, then there is absolutely no problem. This hate speech legislation will do nothing to hamper free speech and it will keep the loose cannons out there from using their influence to endanger the welfare of others!


I totally agree that pastors, and all Christians should be preaching a sermon of non-violence. That is what Jesus preaches, but He also preached that there are certain persons that have in effect infiltrated the Christian community that are no Christians at all. They will be the ones in the end that Jesus told us about...

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Matthew 7:22 (KJV)

These are they that preach a doctrine of violence under the guise of "works". They are the ones that want to physically make things happen claiming a God-given right and duty. They couldn't be more wrong, and they preach a doctrine of devils. Man cannot force people to listen no more can they force someone to go to their secular-approved building for undoctrinal ritualistic services.It is not man's job or duty to build the kingdom of God. That job belongs to God.

Show me one time in the Holy Bible where Jesus put His hand to anyone in a violent manner. There is not a single case of it because His message is one of peace till He returns. But when He returns, the time for peace is over for the unrepentant. Till then, there is no place for physical violence or force in Christianity, or elsewhere. Pastors that preach and incite violence should take note that with what measure they meet, it will be measured to them again.

There are already laws on the books that cover people inciting violence through certain kinds of speech. Because a broadcaster makes a racially motivated comment about a female college basketball team, does that mean all broadcasters feel that way? Of course not. There's only a problem when the individual breaks existing law. One person's actions doesn't define the group. If that were the case, then we are all murders(we are anyways, its called sin) just because another human murdered somebody. That's an insane logic, even for a secular society. Guilty of potential crime? Insanity.
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Re: H.R. 1913, Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2009, 01:43:09 am »
I've read these hate crime bills and from what i can read they mostly talk about the normal hate crime stuff... you know about violently hurting someone because of their race, sex, or color, It looks more like it would hurt gun rights more than it would hurt freedom of speech.

I don't see anything in here that inhibits free speech. From what I've read in these bills it sounds like we already have these in law. It look like all their really changing is giving certain people grants. This legislation is really just more money wasting rather than rights bashing. So unless they have part of the bill somewhere else I don't see how this will harm free speech.


Did anyone actually read these bills? I don't see anything in here that says you can't read the bible or state your opinon.

If anyone can find a ection that says they'll end free speech, I'll beleive you, but as of now I don't see it.

I'm more worried about the cyberbullying bills that openly kill free speech!

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« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2009, 02:06:54 am »
Well, if this Bill goes par for the course, we'll see 300 pages added on, last-minute, our Congress persons told "no" they cannot read it -- just pass it.

Then, whalaaa !

Already Happening -- Child Protective Services workers, investigators and false accusors of child abuse, profess in these accusations that they know what you are thinking.  Thought crimes arbitrariliy allegated by government workers, to ruin peoples lives.

What I have stated here is not an exageration -- but, the opposite in understatement.  In these "thought" crimes (and anything else with regard to CPS), one is not only guilty until proven innocent -- but, outrageously, guilty even if proven innocent.

There's a shadow operation wherein one is put on the State Central Registry of Child Abusers, no-matter-what.  Then, this registry is accessed when it comes to obtaining a job.  Or, if they want, to dredge up a preponderence of evidence in another false accusation of child abuse.

Sorry, getting off topic.  But, with CPS as an example, you can be sure there will be more agencies following the model.

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« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2009, 02:14:32 am »
define CRIME.

"What? Are you stupid, Mike? Everyone knows what a CRIME is. How can you even say that?"

Go on then ... define CRIME. Legally, generally, however you want.

define CRIME.

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« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2009, 02:16:32 am »
I like that thought process :)

Am I correct in saying that crime is an action that is against-the-law?

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« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2009, 02:18:11 am »
Here's the legal definition of "crime:"

CRIME - A crime is a wrongdoing classified by the state or Congress as a felony or misdemeanor.

A crime is an offence against a public law. This word, in its most general sense, includes all offences, but in its more limited sense is confined to felony.

The term offence may be considered as having the same meaning, but is usually understood to be a crime not indictable but punishable, summarily or by the forfeiture of a penalty.

Felony. A felony is a serious crime punishable by at least one year in prison. Some family law felonies include kidnapping and custodial interference (in some states).

People convicted of felonies lose certain rights, such as the right to vote or hold public office. During the term of sentence, the convicted person may also be prohibited from making contracts, marrying, suing or keeping certain professional licenses. Upon release from prison, the convict may also be required to register with the police.

Misdemeanor. A misdemeanor is a crime for which the punishment is usually a fine and/or up to one year in a county jail. Often a crime which is a misdemeanor for the first offense becomes a felony for repeated offenses. All crimes that are not felonies are misdemeanors.

Crimes are defined and punished by statutes and by the common law. Most common law offences are as well known and as precisely ascertained as those which are defined by statutes; yet, from the difficulty of exactly defining and describing every act which ought to be punished, the vital and preserving principle has been adopted; that all immoral acts which tend to the prejudice of the community are punishable by courts of justice.

Crimes are 'mala in se,' or bad in themselves, and these include all offences against the moral law; or they are 'mala prohibita,' bad because prohibited, as being against sound policy which, unless prohibited, would be innocent or indifferent. Crimes may be classed into such as affect:

- 1. Religion And Public Worship: 1. Blasphemy. 2. Disturbing public worship.

- 2. The Sovereign Power: 1. Treason. 2. Misprision of treason.

- 3. The Current Coin: 1. Counterfeiting or impairing it.

- 4. Public justice: 1. Bribery of judges or jurors, or receiving the bribe. 2. Perjury. 3. Prison breaking. 4. Rescue. 5. Barratry. 6. Maintenance. 7. Champerty. 8. Compounding felonies. 9. Misprision of felonies. 10. Oppression. 11. Extortion. 12. Suppressing evidence. 13. Negligence or misconduct in inferior officers. 14. Obstructing legal process. 15. Embracery.

- 5. Public Peace: 1. Challenges to fight a duel. 2. Riots, routs and unlawful assemblies. 3. Affrays. 4. Libels.

- 6. Public Trade: 1. Cheats. 2. Forestalling. S. Regrating. 4. Engrossing. 5. Monopolies.

- 7. Chastity: 1. Sodomy. 2. Adultery. 3. Incest. 4. Bigamy. 5. Fornication.

- 8. Decency And Morality: 1. Public indecency. 2. Drunkenness. 3. Violatiug the grave.

- 9. Public Police And Economy: 1. Common nuisances. 2. Keeping disorderly houses and bawdy houses. 3. Idleness, vagrancy, and beggary.

- 10. Public Policy: 1. Gambling. 2. Illegal lotteries.

- 11. Individuals: 1. Homicide, which is justifiable, excusable or felonious. 3. Mayhem. 3. Rape. 4. Poisoning, with intent to murder. 5. Administering drugs to a woman quick with child to cause, miscarriage. 6. Concealing death of bastard child. 7. Assault and battery, which is either simple or with intent to commit some other crime. 8. kidnapping. 9. False imprisonment. 10. Abduction.

- 12. Private Property: 1. Burglary. 2. Arson. 3. Robbery. 4., Forgery. Counterfeiting. 6. Larceny. 7. Receiving stolen goods, knowing them to have been stolen, or theft-bote. 8. Malicious mischief.

- 13. The Public, Individuals, Or Their Property, According To The Intent Of The Criminal: 1. Conspiracy.
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« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2009, 02:24:43 am »
Egypt,

a CRIME is "whatever they wanna call a crime" whatever the collective votes is a crime. Arbitrary. Regional. Blatant.

the definition of CRIME itself is a crime. We've allowed ourselves to be shat on. Remember the witch burnings and the Inquisition?  That was the law. And I'll tell you this ... such ridiculous definitions of CRIME can rise from the grave, given free reign.

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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2009, 02:38:46 am »
I see what you are saying.

The elites have no business doing what they are doing!  Why there haven't been arrests, starting on Capital Hill, by now, I do not know.  Now, there is intentionally-accomplished, out-&-out crime that harms so many innocent persons.

One cannot legislate morality.

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« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2009, 06:59:47 am »
1913... that damn haunting number.


Yep, 1913 was the year the Federal Reserve cheated their way into power, and they've been cheating and controlling every since that time. Folks, if you don't know this, you need to do some reading (for those who are just waking up and joined the forum)
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=18

This is why this bill is so important. Please call your House Rep and tell him he needs to support this bill:
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Re: H.R. 1913, Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2009, 07:44:50 am »
One cannot legislate morality.

Indeed, because morality changes through the ages. Because there ACTUALLY is no right or wrong. Your moral foundation (i.e. the rules that govern your life) are just like the rules of Checkers or Drafts ... they can be slightly altered without breaking the game. You just don't realise it. There is no universal morality, it's just a local game.

Agreed, a radical rule change would shatter the earlier principle, sure, but then you'd just call that amended game Neo Morality.

Look at the amount of princesses who were married off (quite legally) to Kings in need from royal house to royal house, in times gone by. Basically, most of these were children ... and as soon as the girls were having periods (this can be avoided by not feeding young girls [1]) they were getting them pregnant. Underage SHOULD mean, hasn't had a period yet i.e. can't take a foetus to term. Underage is nothing to do with being (what?) 16 years old? 18 years old? Arbitrary  years old?

It's just an arbitrary number. Even GOD said it, be fruitful; multiply. He didn't say anything about the proscribed mechanism. It's what man's all about. Freedom of expression, free will.

[1] Soviet gymnasts were renowned for delaying periods until after their 16th birthday and beyond, this was done by starvation & insanely brutal physical training. All women know this, the lighter you, are the lighter your period. Girls start having periods (are able to carry a baby to term) when they're FAT ENOUGH, to put it bluntly. Because you need that store of energy, baby-formation (bone formation, heart, lungs, liver and brain etc formation) eats the pregnant woman alive.

Maybe we need a new categorisation of girl/woman.

1) no period yet = girl
2) period happened = woman

FACT.

The real problem with 'active baby-making underage sex' (i.e. have only been bleeding for a couple years each month) is there's no corporate structure to DEAL WITH IT, no social structure other than shame. No rule within the contemporary definition of Earth family that allows for it. A child is a child until he/she comes out of school @ age 16, 18 - that's all our society's got. Even talking about it (like this, on a public forum) will get you blacklisted,  because everybody has a mind-control rock they are encouraged to pick up at every opportunity, to smite their brother who breaks the corporate propaganda. But that's how (legal) arbitrariness works. It's a mechanism of control. Got popcorn, this whole thread is about to go loco (!)

PS: what is a hate crime?  It's just so pathetic, in general.

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Re: H.R. 1913, Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2009, 10:39:34 am »
Talk Show Hosts May Be Accomplices Under Hate Bill

The Hate Crimes Prevention Act which has passed the House of Representatives by an overwhelming margin is now facing hearings in the Senate. There are already similar hate crime laws in place, however, this bill imposes much stronger federal enforcement, which is a clear violation of the Tenth Amendment. It grants greater power to federal prosecutors to prosecute hate crime laws by prosecuting those who have been found innocent by local or state courts. The current bill will extend special privileges to gays and transgender individuals that are currently only granted to ethnic and religious minorities. The most dangerous part of the Bill which is a direct assault against the First Amendment is that it allows for the prosecution as accomplices in a hate crime for talk show pundits that the person who commits the alleged crime claims to influence their actions.

Here is the essential text:

Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce [radio, TV, internet] any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. (HR 1966, SEC 3, Sec. 881a)

Reverend Ted Pike of the National Prayer Network says that "this means that if any pastor, talk show host or guest, or anyone communicating on radio or the internet is repeatedly “hostile” to the practice of homosexuality and “intends” to cause “substantial emotional distress” in homosexuals, leading to repentance, he is guilty. The speaker doesn’t even have to succeed in causing such conviction for sin, even though he will be especially guilty if he does. In either case, the federal government is empowered under this bill to invade any state to prosecute the “bully” of the airwaves."

This Bill is the first major step to stripping away our rights to freedom of speech in the 1st amendment. Recently the Plains State ADL Director denounced the 1st Amendment by saying that "freedom of speech does not extend to racist groups, nor give their supporters the right to threaten and intimidate others or commit acts of violence."In many western nations, an individual can be prosecuted by the government for certain speech.

Though we still have the First Amendment we are headed in that direction of Europe and Canada where people can be prosecuted for thought crimes. Organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League have aggressively promoted hate crime legislation. These organizations have endorsed Europe and Canada's policies on prosecuting what they deem as hate speech. The ADL openly advocates for their model anti-hate law.  In 1988 the ADL gave out an award to law student Joseph Ribikoff for writing a proposed hate crime bill that would criminalize hate speech against gays and minorities.

In testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, ADL Washington counsel Michael Lieberman spoke in support of the Hate Crimes Bill. "We have no illusions about this legislation," Lieberman testified. "We know that bigotry, racism, homophobia, and anti-Semitism cannot be legislated out of existence. A new federal law that finally addresses all victims of hate crimes will not eliminate them."

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