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Title: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Free on August 14, 2007, 01:05:38 pm
  A situation has been brought to my attention. There is a forum, 911movement.org, These people are not genuinely concerned with truth. These are also the no-planers. A few people I know, posted a polite rebuttal and both were banned, one on his first day and the other the second day.

 I believe SOME neo-cons, disinformational specialist, whatever they call themselves, have changed their strategies. As we all know, there is an overwhelming amount of provable evidence, and yet some of the public cannot or will not believe it, or even conduct some research into it. By introducing such a ludicrous theory such as no planes, can only be an attempt to ridicule and discredit the "Truth". Please pass this on,and/or check it out yourself. Thanks

9/11 was an inside Job


(mod edit; Free - sorry to attribute the new title to your post but it had to be done)  :D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Biggs on August 15, 2007, 07:29:31 pm
Article by Ed Ward found at link here: - (lots of embedded links to follow in this article)
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm (http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm)

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The US Government's Usage of Atomic Bombs - Domestic - WTC
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September 25, 2006

Declassified August 1958: "Mere fact that the U. S. has developed atomic munitions suitable for use in demolition work." Declassified January 1967, "The fact that we are interested in and are continuing studies on a weapon for minimizing the emerging flux of neutrons and internal induced activity." Declassified March 1976, "The fact of weapon laboratory interest in Minimum Residual Radiation (MRR) devices. The fact of successful development of MRR devices."

The factual evidence indicates that our government is using and has used 3rd or possibly 4th generation hydrogen bombs domestically and internationally. The evidence for international usage is not quite as strong as the domestic usage, but when domestic usage is considered, the international usage seems inescapable. The process of exclusion based on the known facts leaves only one viable option for the destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings - a relatively pure hydrogen bomb.
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Just some of the facts are: widespread cancer in the responders, molten steel, melted cars, steel beams hurled hundreds of feet, aerosolized metals, vaporized steel witnessed and video, aerosolized and pulverized concrete, elevated tritium levels, vanishing (vaporized) victims, only sliver fragments of victims on roof tops, EMP - Electro Magnetic Pulse effects on communications, hundreds of eyewitness testimony of ancillary explosions by heroic rescuers and victims, massive dispersal of debris, demolition expert states hydrogen bomb needed for this type of demolition, audio of a massive explosion prior to collapse, video of ancillary explosions, audio of ancillary explosions, significant reduction in debris pile, ancillary thermate found in wreckage, shockwave of a mini yield nuclear blast knocked people off their feet, vaporization of 200,000 gallons of water, removal of wreckage without investigation, only remnants of fire in one tower minutes after the plane collision, unprecedented history of 3 skyscrapers collapsing secondary to fire, early miscalculation stating WTC building 7 'pulled', towers fall at demolition or free fall speed, foreknowledge of WTC 7 immediate collapse, slow-motion video evidence of plane appendage with smoke and explosion immediately prior to impact of both planes, unprecedented NORAD non response to variant flights, FEMA drill scheduled for same day, military 'exercise' of exactly what was taking place to prevent NORAD response, most of NORAD protection planes sent far away in another 'exercise' to prevent response, prevention of examination of wreckage by those assigned to investigate, seismic evidence of a mini yield nuclear explosion, Cheney takes over NORAD response command, Cheney prevents NORAD response, WTC towers designed for 757 collision and fire, 911 used falsely for previously planned war, government fabrication of 'evidence' correlation for starting war, hundreds of people found themselves trapped by locked doors and missing escape routes above and below the impact zone, and not all inclusively, but finally, Bush brands anyone noting any of these facts a terrorist.

The spectrum and percentages of cancer are massive. There are at least 4 classifications of blood-cell cancers: leukemia, lymphoma, Hodgkin's and myeloma. There are many more classifications of soft tissue cancers. There is brain cancer. There is breast cancer. For most of these there are subclassifications of many different types of specific cancer in each, so far not publicly disclosed. There are huge percentages of respiratory distress and loss of function. Multiple reports of 'irregular cycles' (miscarriages?). Most likely there will be several more types of cancer to follow. In particular, responders should be checked for thyroid cancer and function. There has been no noting of birth defects which also needs to be done. There is one thing and only one thing that can cause all these cancers and problems - RADIATION.
In response to this myriad of disease, a statement of environmental mercury has been claimed. That claim is not verified in testing of air and particle debris samples by private citizens and organizations. It is possible the mercury quotes are from the federal source of science, the United States Geological Survey's analysis of the WTC dust debris. The USGS's leached analysis did show mercury at the 3rd lowest concentration of metals at the mean value (mv) of 0.011 parts per Billion (ppB). The most abundant element concentration in the leaching tests was Strontium at 1,000 ppB (1 ppM) - 100,000 times more than the mercury value. It appears that the leaching of the sample was only partial and inadequate as the reader will see from the spectrometry values.

Why would only mercury be quoted when there were so many other more dangerous elements at higher concentrations than mercury? While the regular elements like Copper - mv 136 ppM, Silver - mv 1.66 ppM, and Vanadium - mv 31 ppM, some of the other significant elements were: Barium - mv 533 ppM, Strontium - mv 727 ppM, Cerium - mv 91 ppM, Yttrium - mv 57 ppM, Lanthanum - mv 46 ppM, Molybdenum - mv 11 ppM, Thorium - mv 9 ppM, Uranium - mv 3 ppM, Beryllium - mv 3 ppM, and Cesium - mv 0.6 ppM - partial listing. For readers that are not familiar with most of these elements, here is a link to their relevance.
There is also a claim of environmental benzene that 'permeated' the area in jet fuel as the cause of all of these problems. Once again, we have the quoting of the miraculous jet fuel that burns up in a massive fireball in the first few minutes, then like Christ's feeding the multitudes, still causes a massive fire inside that reaches the temperatures of a Hades that weakens massive fire proofed steel beams and trusses, then resurrects itself on the permeated ground to cause cancer in one hour of limited exposure.

In less than 1 hour, the first WTC building had collapsed and covered Manhattan, in at least 1/3 of a Million Tons of particulate debris. Unless the jet fuel makes a final appearance and is again resurrected by NIST in it's 3rd miracle, benzene is buried under 1/3 of a million tons of particulate debris after 56 minutes of exposure. Benzene is also a component of gasoline. The assertion that cancer was the result of 56 minutes of exposure to minimal amounts of benzene is ludicrous. If that was true, everyone in the US would be suffering from cancers. As the 3rd WTC building falls, Manhattan is covered in two Billion pounds of pulverized and aerosolized building.
Two billion pounds seemed like an extremely large amount of particulate matter from buildings whose total weight has been quoted at around 3 billion pounds. Debris removal has been quoted at 1.2 billion pounds. Based on these rough numbers 2/3rds of the building was indeed turned to dust or vaporized.

"Live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs." "One could cut away all the first-story columns on one side of the building, and part way from the corners of the perpendicular sides, and the building could still withstand design loads and a 100-mph wind force from any direction." Engineering News-Record, April 2, 1964
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Take a look at a collapsed 10 story building in Pakistan. Note the height and size of the collapsed building's remnants compared to the other 10 story buildings. The debris pile is about 30 feet, approximately 1/3 of the height of the erect building. This ratio is consistent with a collapsed building's rubble height. Note the almost complete lack of fine particles. The 47 story WTC 7's building debris should have contained at least five times (approximately 15 stories) the amount of the Pakistan debris as WTC 7 was also built with significantly stronger materials. Yet, WTC 7 remains are casually noted in the government propaganda article as a 2 story debris pile. Look at the Pakistan debris 'collapsed' picture again, then imagine that debris with 4 more piles on top of it and finally try to imagine the awesome power it would take to break it into 53 micron or smaller dust particles.
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The only estimates of the two 100 story WTC building debris piles are 'several stories'. In the very few area photographs of the debris piles published, the amount of debris in the range of several stories is minimal at best. There is also quoting of debris 6 stories high, however, if the reader looks at the rare pictures, the only debris of that height are portions of outer beam skeleton towering significantly higher than the general debris. Not one official measurement of the debris piles is noted. The building residue height is deceiving on 2 levels. First, all of the buildings had craters of a depth of 'several stories'. Secondly, since the craters were in tiered sub-level flooring, the area of the bottoms of the craters would be significantly smaller than the area covered at ground level.

In a failed demolition, a 20 story concrete building, Zip Feed Mill in South Dakota, of significantly weaker construction than the WTC buildings, takes a 4 story dive while the top 16 floors remain intact.
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Of the cumulative facts previously noted that deal specifically with a major explosion and it's effect, the only single possibility for all is a thermonuclear bomb placed by the US government. Even when taken individually, the only possibility for some of the facts is a thermonuclear bomb. The next logical step is "Do bombs with the needed characteristics exist?"

The government's answer to that question is a super-top-secret response that will not be given. Both political parties sequestered Operation Northwoods and more for 40 years, so they are certainly not going to answer the question truthfully. The following evidence clearly shows a mini yield semi-pure hydrogen bomb existed in 1958 and that it has had 40 years of refinement. The graphic in the upper right corner depicts the only published diagram of an atomic bomb in which public general knowledge of atomic weaponry is known. This is not the bomb that would be required for the WTC demolition. The bomb is a 2nd generation atomic bomb of the 'hydrogen bomb' category. The H-bomb pictured is not a pure hydrogen bomb which is actually very closely related to the already developed 'neutron bomb'. In reality, this 2nd generation H-bomb is nothing more than a fission bomb used for a trigger with hydrogen fusion used for extra power. This bomb produces the results of which the general public is aware - massive power, radiation and millenniums of radioactive devastation. It is at least 30 to 40 year old, late 2nd generation technology that has been phased out for lower yield 3rd generation atomic weapons which have a longer half life, easier maintenance and an inserted energy source.

Note the use of DU in the weaponry. DU is used as the casing and as the container for the fusion reaction which becomes part of the fissionable material. This is important in the current international 3rd generation H-bomb usage and the hybrid fusion bomb. At first it was believed that the DU casing and the DU fusion container would most likely not be part of the late 3rd generation or 4th generation weaponry used in the WTC demolitions as it is too dirty (long term radioactive residue) for the pure hydrogen bomb needed. However, subsequent information of dust analysis, hybrid fusion, old known facts of pure fusion bombs, early low yield semi-pure warheads, neutron bombs, and knowledge that debris would be removed as classified information makes either scenario viable.
According to brave activist, Howard Morland, in his article 'The Holocaust Bomb', second generation atomic bombs got their start in 1950 and came to fruition in 1956 with Eisenhower's announcement of a 95% clean bomb. In 1958 the Mk-41C was tested for a 9.3 Megaton yield, 4.8% of the energy was from fission with 95.2% from fusion. Less radioactive (more fusion and less fission energy) or semi-clean H-bombs were known then and were used for testing purposes only. The more powerful, mostly fission bombs were deployed for usage in a cognitive effort to produce maximum destruction on 'enemies' for generations and no forethought of the worldwide consequences. Among various other types of hydrogen bomb warheads, the W54 nuke was developed in 1961. The W54 was a micro-nuke that weighed 51 pounds and could be fired from a slightly modified ordinary bazooka. Different versions of the W54 ranged from .01 kt to 1 kt yield. Between the mid 1950's and the mid 70's both types (large yield dirty and small yield clean), of 2nd generation H-bombs were refined.

Focused nuclear explosions were envisioned in 1959 as a possible concept for propulsion of the spacecraft Orion. The mere directing of the yield was obviously known prior to 1959. Samuel Cohen has stated that a low yield neutron bomb may be tailored to direct yield and proposed the concept more than 35 years ago. An underground detonation causes shaping of the direction of yield as well.
Around 1960, the relatively pure H-bomb was modified for selective effects creating the first 3rd generation H-bomb - the Neutron bomb, Enhanced Radiation Warhead, or a mostly fusion bomb. The neutron bomb's energy was mostly based on fusion using Deuterium/Tritium with only a small fission component to ignite the fusion reaction. The neutron bombs are designed to release at least 80% of its yield as neutrons at the expense of blast and heat as compared to previous fission-fusion warheads. It was not until around 15 years ago that the existence of the neutron bomb was noted. It was during this period that a trial regarding Chinese espionage forced the revelation of the neutron bomb. Shortly thereafter, Reagan deployed the W70 version with a yield range of 0.8 kt to 1.6 kt. At least 2 years after the neutron bomb had been developed and tested, declassified May 1963, "The mere fact that the U. S. is "interested in pursuing" a program to determine the characteristics of an "enhanced radiation" weapon (neutron bomb)." The standard policy seems to be to develop the weapon, inform congress for development of the weapon and then to inform the public after they have been informed there is a need for the weapon.

Very little has been released about the specific selective refinements of 2nd and 3rd generation weapons in the last 40 years since their development. The fact refinement was taking place is proven by the Orion spacecraft and the neutron bomb. EMP effects have been another area of concern and refinement. While these effects were noted in 1950's testing, there was elevated interest in 1962 with the high altitude (HEMP) detonation producing a massive EMP effect. In November 1972, the following sentence was declassified: "The fact of existence of weapons with tailored outputs, e.g., enhanced x-ray, neutron or gamma-ray output, that we are hardening our weapons to enhanced weapon outputs and that high-Z materials are used in hardening nuclear weapons against high-energy x-rays." Note - the date is the declassification date, not the development date.
How small can a nuclear reaction be? Through hydrodynamic experiments for triggering fusion, extremely lows yield nuclear explosions have been generated on the magnitude of "several Pounds of TNT." As noted above, in 1961 .01 kt was unveiled in 1961. In 1956, the Tamalpais with a yield of 0.072 kt was declassified.

 Prior to the demolition of the WTC buildings, the largest imploded building, Hudson's Department Store was 2.2 million square feet with 33 levels and required 2,728 lbs of explosive. The WTC buildings were significantly stronger than the Hudson's building, but it is doubtful more than a 0.01 kt bomb would be needed for the 47 center columns designed to hold many times the weight of the buildings.

This program produced (partial list) the following information for a regular 0.01 kt yields, air ignition: Fireball max light radius = 25.4 meters, Max time light pulse width = 0.011 seconds, Max fireball airburst radius = 10.6 meters, Time of max temperature = 0.0032 seconds, Area of rad. exposure = 0.12 sq. miles; Blastwave Effects: Overpressure = 5 lb/sq. inch (160 mph) radius = 0.09 km, 1 lb/sq. inch radius = 0.26 km; Underground ignition: Crater diameter = 56 feet with a Richter magnitude of 3.52. Thermal radiation damage range is significantly reduced by clouds, smoke or other obscuring materials. Surface detonations are known to decrease thermal radiation by half. A neutron bomb produces much less blast and thermal energy than a fission bomb of the same yield by expending its energy by the increase in the production of neutrons. Even the older neutron bombs produce very little long term fallout, but made considerable induced radiation in ground detonations. The half life of induced radiation is very short and is measured in days rather than years.

Summing up known information, an underground explosion of a pure (most likely) or semi-pure, Minimum Residual Residue direction focused 0.01 kt yield hydrogen bomb with selected enhanced radiation dispersal - most likely neutron since that radiation would be absorbed by the ground and building, and would decrease the blast and temperature effects.
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In 1993, Joe Vialls exposes some facts about single explosions that were very similar to the 2001 WTC bombing. The article, "Micro Nukes in London," notes the sudden usage of massive explosions in business districts by the IRA with a brief mention of the 1993 bombing of the WTC. In the supposed first mega-bombing by the 'IRA', an eyewitness stated, "The ground shook under our feet. There was a brilliant white flash and a tall vertical column of smoke." Significant information about the Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM - the general class of the W54 warhead). While the government was working on the usage of a conventional bomb to the corporate media, there was accidental filming of investigators of the bombing in full radiation protective gear. Description of the crater created by the second explosion reveals a hole 60 feet wide and 40 feet deep. Quotes of physicists' Galen Winsor, John McPhee and Theodore Taylor are prophetic for the usage of micro nukes. Taylor specifically notes the future usage of an extremely small micro nuke being used in the WTC in the year 1973.
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Another crater 22 feet wide and 5 feet deep is noted in the article "Bali Micro Nuke - Lack of Radiation Confuses Experts." Within 48 hours the Bali government found traces of C4 explosive. Next came the revised explanation of explosives on top of gas containers. After that failed to explain noted facts, the next theory was explosives with napalm. The final explanation from London quoted a reliable source that an IRA style bomb mixture was used. Still, there were significant problems with the story as the IRA had detonated 1,000 pounds of the mixture and there was no crater produced. The US bomb, BLU-82 - used for clearing helicopter landing zones in the jungles of Vietnam - contains 6.3 tons of high grade military explosive with an aluminum additive for increased heat, but does not create a crater. The 1/4 inch steel encased explosive is parachuted to its target and detonated 1 to 2 feet above ground. Approximately 40 people close enough to be vaporized simply vanished without a trace. Insights on Israel's .01 kt Dimona nuke are also related in this article. According to the information presented, the bomb uses highly enriched Plutonium 239, 99.78% pure, and only emits alpha radiation which is invisible to most Geiger counters.

Another Vialls' article dealing with the supposed vehicle bombing of the Australian embassy in Jakarta, "Zionists Nuke the Australian Embassy in Indonesia," reveals significantly more information on the nuclear attributes of the explosion. A surveillance camera caught the underground nuke explosion and is included in the article. There are pictures of the resultant mushroom cloud compared to a typical nuclear cloud. The crater left by the explosion was 18 feet in diameter and almost 10 feet deep. Pictures and information of the American Special Forces detonation of two trucks loaded with 1,000 pounds of Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil (ANFO) compound are shown. Multiple links to Vialls' special coverage of ‘terrorist's' bombings throughout the world are included at the end of his article.

Any terrorist truck bomb with less load capacity than 6.3 tons of explosive that creates a crater is a thermonuclear explosion until proven otherwise.

Based on the above information it is quite clear that our government has murdered citizens, friends and families. Our government used their tyranny to further destroy our God given rights affirmed by the Constitution and to extend their fascist powers worldwide in war. Once you have seen the facts, you can no longer say you are innocent of being an accomplice unless you act by trying to end the tyranny, murder and destruction by this government.

Either act to end it or know that you are an accomplice of traitors, tyranny, murder, maiming, and torture. The following three paragraphs will show you how and where to react to the extent of your degree of involvement. There are other ways to resist. Find one that is effective if you don't like any of my options. If you do nothing, you will never escape the disdain and dishonor of your inaction. Expect no sympathy when your name is called to be the next sacrificial lamb of this government's tyranny. The time is NOW for Action!

For almost a century, both democrats and republican regimes have eroded the rights of The People and strengthened the authority and powers of government with the assistance of the corporate press. The public can no longer vote for the lesser of 2 evil parties. Third parties have failed to form a viable coalition toward a legitimate national candidate. Those looking for return of Constitutional rights must unify and choose the best candidate for return of those rights regardless of political party affiliation. Currently voting is nothing more than a farce and will continue to be so until there is no longer a secret vote, or until the Brennan recommendations for electronic voting are enforced. Preferably, both voting reforms should be initiated to stop this charade of voting for a candidate.

The best hope for this nation appears to be the organized philosophy of Debra Sweet, in The World Can't Wait campaign for the strength of The People to be seen and felt on October 5, 2006 in a Day of Mass Resistance. At first there were concerns this was merely another democrat ploy organization for a regime change and not a regime removal. Subsequent research resolved most of those concerns by the noting of democrat participation in our current rule by elitists. This interview by Maryland's US senate candidate, Kevin Zeese, notes that the removal of the Bush regime is merely the first step in a regime removal movement on the neo-fascists in both parties. Hopefully, this is just the first of a series of demonstrations and actions to force the return of Constitutional rights and peace by The People to have those rights returned. The USA Today full page ad on September 21, 1006, calls for taking off work and demonstrating for your rights at high noon on October 5, 2006. If you value your rights enough to actually do something about them, I urge you to join this organization and participate in the first step on a path to a Constitutional government.

If you live in the New Orleans area and would like to participate on October 5, 2006, contact: edward19(at)cox.net . No demonstration planned in your area? Organize your own.

(Reporter's note: The embedded links in this article contain a tremendous amount of information. The use of these links is highly recommended. While researching this article, it was noted that there is a dearth of pictures regarding some of the information presented. If you have any pictures regarding any of the facts presented, please send them to edward19(at)cox.net.)

 Dei Jurum Conventus

Ed Ward, MD

Independent writer/Media Liaison for The Price of Liberty
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Horatio_Bunce on August 16, 2007, 01:19:12 am
Nice shot, Biggs!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jbrid1138 on August 16, 2007, 05:16:29 am
Lot of info there, that's for sure.

We're the only country (the USA) in this entire world that has actually used atomic weapons (Hiroshima; Nagasaki -- 1945) and that was nasty and messy beyond anyone's imagination of what nasty and messy actually means.  But, again, we're the only one.

And apparently not above doing something similar again, if you're in to believing that 9/11 was and inside job and believe any of the horror stories coming out of Iraq -- I do in both of those cases.

The depeleted uranium from the first Gulf War, in many cases still in the tens of hundreds of destroyed sites and vehicles remaining pretty much as they were the day we destroyed them way back in 1990.  Kids play in and around those sites and vehicles (playing childhood games, as they have every right) but playing in a dangerous zone (that we created) that kills them slowly with time.  And in many reported cases -- our soldiers who have come into close contact with the same end with the same results as those poor unfortunate children.  And who truly knows what evil was released inside those Twin Towers that September morning, considering all the sickness and death that has resulted years afterwards. 

Here take a look at what our atomic bomb actually did // and then see this clip on DU --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGjkyZU2oY&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbaVp8Avj70


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: PeaceinSpace on October 01, 2007, 02:29:31 pm
  A situation has been brought to my attention. There is a forum, 911movement.org, These people are not genuinely concerned with truth. These are also the no-planers. A few people I know, posted a polite rebuttal and both were banned, one on his first day and the other the second day.

 I believe SOME neo-cons, disinformational specialist, whatever they call themselves, have changed their strategies. As we all know, there is an overwhelming amount of provable evidence, and yet some of the public cannot or will not believe it, or even conduct some research into it. By introducing such a ludicrous theory such as no planes, can only be an attempt to ridicule and discredit the "Truth". Please pass this on,and/or check it out yourself. Thanks

9/11 was an inside Job

I take offense. Killtown & Webfairy are genuinely interested in searching for the "truth" and people are who on 911movement.org

Stripping the original theories means we have to strip down the official theory of 911. We must consider the following theory of no-planes and if you aren't aware of the media's complicity of the attacks, I beeseech you to do more research into that area. The media has been using fake images since before 1963! The JFK assassination is a great way to begin. One of your heroes, James Fetzer, has believed, for quite sometime that the Zupreder Film is a fake! I don't believe that..but many of the photographs of the JFK assassination were doctored and faked as well. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. What baffles me, is that many are willing to admit they believe the Pentagon was hit by a missile, but still hold on to the theory that planes were used on the WTC's. To understand the "reality" you are dealing with is to strip what you know of the reality of 911. That means starting from the ground and going up. There were no black boxes, no proof of planes, no proof of Flight 11 and 77 even existing and we still cling to the thought there were PLANES. Prove to me that existed? Would you? Because nothing adds up..and what you will find is that many are searching for the truth of that day..and no one knows. Sure, I am sure there are agents out there creating disinfo..no doubt. WE must really look into the agents that were placed at the scene who all perpetuated the official story. As for me, I am a "no-planer" because no one can prove to me they existed that day. I also think that thermate is a weak excuse..if you truly believe that 911 was an inside job, why would anyone use such an un-sophisticated weapon such as thermate.



www.peaceinspace.blogs.com/911


and for this site to censor people who have created awesome sites like
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html

is what it is. Censorship! PrisonPlanet is now doing it too....

Watch September Clues:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/embedLink/6F393F4DE41C4CF798CBB438E6378129/228144/september-clues-part1.aspx

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: websuspect on October 06, 2007, 09:42:54 pm
The No Planers are attempting to discredit the no plane hit the pentagon conspiracy by bluring it with the ridiculous no planes hit the WTC.

FACT.

The hole in the pentagon was 15.

A boeing 747 is 115 feet wide.

Fact. No 747 Diffuser casings were found at the pentagon.

Fact.  No 747 COuld withstand a 15 G turn from the potomic into the Pentagon.

Fact at the time the Plane hit the pentagon it was going supersonic.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Great Haku on January 31, 2008, 01:05:59 pm
Dr. Judy Wood has made a huge breakthrough in the investigation of 9/11. She has connected evidence from John Hutchison's amazing work to the evidence at the WTC. Based on earthshaking findings in these new studies, we now know that zero point energy was connected to the destruction in NYC. This indicates an extremely sophisticated device, and erases all notion that it may have been hijackers with boxcutters.

More on the Hutchison Effect: http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/

Proof of it's link to the destruction at the WTC: http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

Further Information: www.weourselves.org (Listen to the audios)

Further Information: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7438627977642539647 (Be sure to also listen to Part 2 of the interview)

This new 9/11 information is hard hitting.

Hutchison has produced samples of Bent beams:

(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/indexpics/tnPicture+317.jpg)

At the WTC:

(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/indexpics/tncore4.jpg)

Hutchison produced samples of 'jellifying' metal:

(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/indexpics/tnAluminum-Splitting.jpg)

At the WTC:

(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/indexpics/tnWTC-003_hires.jpg)

Identical Holes

Hutchison:

(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/indexpics/tnPicture+625.jpg)

WTC:

(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/indexpics/010911_WTC6_911_1328.jpg)

For way more comparisons and research, go to Judy Wood's page on this excellent new research at: http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: bennyxbo on January 31, 2008, 01:09:52 pm
mY couSIn SEEn A rAil cAR WID nINE one ONE oN It ! :P
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on January 31, 2008, 01:13:51 pm
Dr. Judy Wood has made a huge breakthrough in the investigation of 9/11.

hahaha
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on January 31, 2008, 01:16:16 pm
Call Patrick Leahy's office ASAP!

Tell them you have the smoking gun proof for what caused 9/11!

I think the pictures will be sufficient to start congressional hearings ASAP!  I think just the Redbull can alone should do the trick, no need for the other pics!

great work!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: tattoo8118 on January 31, 2008, 01:19:06 pm
LOL!!!! :D ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on January 31, 2008, 01:21:45 pm


More on the Hutchison Effect: http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/


From the website:.....

"Hi all . I am looking for a lawyer for the entertainment industry as well as general things. For example, if city or provincial government does nasty things like they do every couple of years ; international law would be great ;; second I need an agent to try and get things going, an entertainment agent. Thank you, John Hutchison"

Did you get the job?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Great Haku on January 31, 2008, 02:11:41 pm
Listen: I have always believed that energy weaponry was probably used. I don't think it's a 'faux controversy'. There was strong evidence of something unconventional going on down in NYC. This is the first argument that could actually show the exact kind of energy weaponry that was used, and that's what makes it so earthshaking. If you think conventional explosives and cutter charges can cause the complete vaporization of the Towers without damaging the WTC Bathtub and PATH trains, while melting cars and causing holes in other WTC buildings, then I don't know what to tell you. Something unconventional was going on.

I urge readers to do research into the Hutchison effect and energy weaponry evidence before ripping it JREF-style.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on January 31, 2008, 06:56:43 pm
it is the biggest load of bullshit going around, peddle the garbage somewhere else
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Melody on January 31, 2008, 07:15:42 pm


I've heard of Zero Point Energy... in Disney/Pixar's The Incredibles
(http://disney-clipart.com/incredibles/jpg/syndrome-incredibles.jpg)

From Syndrome's Wikipedia page:

"Weaponry and gadgets
Utility gauntlets - Using zero-point energy, which, today, is only in the theoretical stage, Syndrome is able to create a field of quantum energy that inhibits the majority of a victim's body movement. If the victim's skin is exposed, the range of motion of the victim's face is also taken to the minimum (only their eyes can move), and the ability to speak is also inhibited. The field is moved by his fingers and can be fired in the forms of energy blasts and concentrated beams. Like the trigger for Spider-Man's web-shooters, the trigger for these weapons is located high on the palm of each hand to prevent most unwanted firings. The left-hand gauntlet also holds the remote control for the Omnidroid. A communicator is likely built into the right-hand gauntlet."

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Great Haku on January 31, 2008, 08:45:38 pm
it is the biggest load of bullshit going around, peddle the garbage somewhere else

What is the biggest load of bullshit:

Hutchison Effect or Directed Energy Weaponry? If you mean the use of DEW on the Towers in general, then you are wrong. Answer the following:

1) Why were the WTC Bathtub and PATH trains completely unaffected?

2) Why are their melted cars, holes bitten into buildings, holes bitten into the street?

3) How do you respond to the fact that paper survived while all the furniture was completely destroyed? This be consistent with a microwave-type energy weapon, considering that microwave energy does not affect paper.

4) How do you respond to the fact that DEW is very real and defense contractors are picking up on it now? DEW is going to be the next stage of warfare. Why risk rigging an entire building with explosives when you could just destroy it using advanced weapons? (Not counting Building 7, which I suspect was rigged with explosives. I suspect that Building 7 got this 'special treatment' because it was the 9/11 command/planning center, and there was certain 'papers' in there that needed to be destroyed.)

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on January 31, 2008, 09:52:29 pm
hey dude, the whole thing with the redbull and the hole in the firetruck.

c'mon man, what the f**k are you talking about?

dude, are you a state appointed attorney with a degree from Pat Robertson University?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Great Haku on January 31, 2008, 10:07:22 pm
hey dude, the whole thing with the redbull and the hole in the firetruck.

c'mon man, what the f**k are you talking about?

dude, are you a state appointed attorney with a degree from Pat Robertson University?

Those holes looked pretty similar. That's just something interesting. If you look at just how many similarities John Hutchison's projects had with 9/11, it's very, very strange.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: bennyxbo on February 01, 2008, 06:31:15 am
Those holes looked pretty similar. That's just something interesting. If you look at just how many similarities John Hutchison's projects had with 9/11, it's very, very strange.

Accept in all historical examples of false-flag operations, generally conventional techniques and materials were used.

Eg:

-Dynamite
-Fire
-Bombings
-Friendly fire blamed on other parties
-Fabricated information
-Media parroting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag)

There is no documented example of a fringe technology being used in an operation...  the September 18th anthrax was too high-tech, and that's the main reason why it was easily traced back to the source.

Sane, have you heard of The Lavon Affair ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair)

looks like mossad has been up to this stuff for some time.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jannerbob on February 01, 2008, 07:59:57 am
I got as far as Dr Judy Wood and immediately went into mental shutdown.The day when she knows the difference between elastic and inelastic collisions is the day i might listen to her but until that day i am not wasting any more of my life reading her dross.There was an outside energy but it wasn,t space beams or the Hutchinson effect it was good old fashioned explosives.

"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it."

John Skilling 1993.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: livefreeordietryin on February 01, 2008, 08:30:42 am
Judy is nuts. Let's leave it at that, shall we?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 01, 2008, 08:35:40 am
I mean the photography is outstanding, but the speculation is laughable.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Great Haku on February 01, 2008, 02:12:21 pm
Accept in all historical examples of false-flag operations, generally conventional techniques and materials were used.

Eg:

-Dynamite
-Fire
-Bombings
-Friendly fire blamed on other parties
-Fabricated information
-Media parroting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag)

There is no documented example of a fringe technology being used in an operation...  the September 18th anthrax was too high-tech, and that's the main reason why it was easily traced back to the source.

Sane, have you heard of The Lavon Affair ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair)

looks like mossad has been up to this stuff for some time.


Most of those false flag ops happened when the military couldn't get anything more efficient. Energy weapons are now the 'new thing'. Military companies are picking up on them. They are very real. Why rig an entire structure with bombs when you could use an advanced military weapon. Much less of a chance of getting caught and way less trouble. This doesn't count for Building 7, which was a controlled demolition. It got the special treatment because it was the command center for this operation.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jannerbob on February 01, 2008, 03:11:29 pm
Most of those false flag ops happened when the military couldn't get anything more efficient. Energy weapons are now the 'new thing'. Military companies are picking up on them. They are very real. Why rig an entire structure with bombs when you could use an advanced military weapon. Much less of a chance of getting caught and way less trouble. This doesn't count for Building 7, which was a controlled demolition. It got the special treatment because it was the command center for this operation.

Yes very interesting points but you are still using Dr Judy Woods as a benchmark and she is clearly a disinfo agent.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgN591u3MhQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgN591u3MhQ)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWzZocY-sUQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWzZocY-sUQ)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYAwR3f16Z4 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYAwR3f16Z4)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2E70dsEnJ8 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2E70dsEnJ8)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Great Haku on February 01, 2008, 10:19:34 pm
Yes very interesting points but you are still using Dr Judy Woods as a benchmark and she is clearly a disinfo agent.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgN591u3MhQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgN591u3MhQ)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWzZocY-sUQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWzZocY-sUQ)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYAwR3f16Z4 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYAwR3f16Z4)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2E70dsEnJ8 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2E70dsEnJ8)

Well, I don't know about Judy Wood. I was crediting her for the Hutchison/WTC breakthrough, but I don't know if she has any connections. There is a lot of people in the movement I don't trust.

Whether you like Wood's work or not, you should check out the research done on energy weaponry. In my opinion, it is a very solid theory. 9/11 was a very sophisticated operation.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jannerbob on February 02, 2008, 05:18:23 am
Well, I don't know about Judy Wood. I was crediting her for the Hutchison/WTC breakthrough, but I don't know if she has any connections. There is a lot of people in the movement I don't trust.

Whether you like Wood's work or not, you should check out the research done on energy weaponry. In my opinion, it is a very solid theory. 9/11 was a very sophisticated operation.

My mind is open to everything because the energy that i witnessed with my own eyes had to have come from somewhere.It has certainly not been adequately explained by anybody.The horseshoe shaped beams with no cracking screams at all of us that incredible heat{impossible}did occur there is no doubting that.To bend that steel with no cracking in my experience means it would have had to be glowing yellow,probably about 1100 degrees c minimum.Without that heat it would crack and fracture.So you are not wrong to look at any scenario that explains this.The problem is as soon as you mention Dr Judy Woods the reaction you will get from most people,including myself,is ridicule.Notice in the Youtube film she offers no calculations and talks of snowballs and other crap.What we want is scientific proof but what we are getting from Woods,NIST etc is antiscience.The bottom line is people can choose to look into your views or choose not to.Don,t stop your research because we still have no definitive answers.Just be careful who you quote thats all.Dr Jones is like Hercule Poirot,Dr Judy Woods is more like Inspector Clousseau.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Div on February 02, 2008, 08:14:09 pm
Zero-point energy? What's next cold fusion?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: ringo78 on February 02, 2008, 08:59:21 pm
Ya,  soon they will be telling us that life can evolve from non-living material.  What a bunch of wackos!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Info_Trafficker on February 02, 2008, 09:28:29 pm
The Hutchinson effect is real...Hutchinson's lab and equipment wouldnt have gotten raided for nothing. spooks were all over him.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 03, 2008, 03:08:09 pm
Have fun...

 Casimir Effect and Zero Point Energy
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/126137?extension=pdf

 The Hunt For Zero Point (Antigravity Propulsion)
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/1384387?extension=pdf

 quaternionic electrodynamics
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/4445?extension=pdf

 Earth Without Polarity
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/495641?extension=pdf

 The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/915062?extension=pdf

 pentagon aliens-william lyne
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/887361?extension=pdf

 The Secret Doctrine
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/1513272?extension=pdf
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: smokecheck on April 23, 2008, 10:55:01 am
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&q=september+clues+busted&ei=LVsPSJqKJoOWrgL0_MSpBA&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&q=september+clues+busted&ei=LVsPSJqKJoOWrgL0_MSpBA&hl=en)

Exposing the deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies in the “September Clues” series of videos, which many scholars and others have mistaken for the truth about some of the events that happened on that terrible day: September 11, 2001. Hopefully, this video will make them realize that they have been deliberately mislead.

(By the author of "WTC7 - This is an Orange") Content: Where necessary, some of the shots in this video have been enlarged, slowed down, or have had indicators or stop motion techniques applied to them. No other visual manipulations or additions have been made
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Aden on April 23, 2008, 11:15:54 am
Yeah this movie bends no-planers over a barrel and has no mercy.  Too bad the no-plane idea was spread around so effectively to media people early on.  That "This is an orange" 2 minute video is great too, thanks for sharing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&q=WTC7+-+This+is+an+Orange&ei=I14PSMGjL6iO4wL_wbWoBA&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&q=WTC7+-+This+is+an+Orange&ei=I14PSMGjL6iO4wL_wbWoBA&hl=en)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hetware on April 23, 2008, 11:27:09 am
More from the same author: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=14360
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: smokecheck on April 23, 2008, 11:33:28 am
For those who do not know yet--Hetware is a troll.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&q=september+clues+busted&ei=LVsPSJqKJoOWrgL0_MSpBA&hl=en
 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&q=september+clues+busted&ei=LVsPSJqKJoOWrgL0_MSpBA&hl=en)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hetware on April 23, 2008, 12:11:38 pm
That does not refute the fact that Anthony Lawson created September Clues -- Busted, and the posts on nineeleven.co.uk.  Am I to conclude that you are advocating the same intellectual brown-shirting that Anthony and I are opposing? 

This will explain more nineeleven.co.uk: Where Banishment is an Honour (http://vehme.blogspot.com/2008/04/nineelevencouk-where-banishment-is.html).
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: smokecheck on April 23, 2008, 12:13:56 pm
For those who do not know yet--Hetware is a troll.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&q=september+clues+busted&ei=LVsPSJqKJoOWrgL0_MSpBA&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&q=september+clues+busted&ei=LVsPSJqKJoOWrgL0_MSpBA&hl=en)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hetware on April 23, 2008, 12:34:31 pm
Strange.  Why is it that my posting of more from the same author results in charges of "Troll" while another person doing the same thing does not?  Could it be that you want to police the content of discussions to suit your agenda?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: yanaar on April 23, 2008, 12:39:59 pm
You've been exposed, Hetware.  More than once



(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee302/GreatMagician8/TrollsAreBad.jpg)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hetware on April 23, 2008, 12:42:52 pm
6

This reminds me of when my classmates in elementary school discovered that I didn't believe in Jesus or God.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: yanaar on April 23, 2008, 12:46:19 pm
6

This reminds me of when my classmates in elementary school discovered that I didn't believe in Jesus or God.

Noo... it's a picture of you in elementary school. 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: smokecheck on April 23, 2008, 01:32:14 pm
Strange.  Why is it that my posting of more from the same author results in charges of "Troll" while another person doing the same thing does not?  Could it be that you want to police the content of discussions to suit your agenda?

 Yes--To keep my thread on topic, because you always try to move it off topic.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: yanaar on April 23, 2008, 01:46:49 pm
Noo... it's a picture of you in elementary school. 

Would have been last year... ???  ???
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hetware on April 23, 2008, 07:11:36 pm
Yes--To keep my thread on topic, because you always try to move it off topic.

From the original post: 'By the author of "WTC7 - This is an Orange"'.

I merely added that he, Anthony Lawson, also wrote the contribution under his name found here: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=14360

So clearly, I was merely following precedent set in the head post of the thread.  Hence, I was posting on topic.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hetware on April 24, 2008, 12:38:59 am
Would have been last year... ???  ???

So now I am the topic of the thread?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Trade Mark on May 03, 2008, 07:06:01 pm
If you think you have seen all the 9/11 videos thoughly check out these called September Clues. It is a frame by frame analysis of the news footage and the French broythers along with some other "ameture" video footage. Seems to be digital manipulations over missels rather than real air planes.

http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice

Be sure to take time to veiw them all and the entire flick- September Clues.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Sub-X on May 03, 2008, 07:15:24 pm
If you think you have seen all the 9/11 videos thoughly check out these called September Clues. It is a frame by frame analysis of the news footage and the French broythers along with some other "ameture" video footage. Seems to be digital manipulations over missels rather than real air planes.

http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice

Be sure to take time to veiw them all and the entire flick- September Clues.

I think you might want to read this link :
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=5185.0
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Trade Mark on May 03, 2008, 07:36:36 pm
http://www.livevideo.com/video/socialservice/6F393F4DE41C4CF798CBB438E6378129/september-clues-part1.aspx

Any evidence is worth looking at, entire video rather than listening to this or that critique. But thanks for the link, i have veiwed it.

I also like the loose change flick and I have been investigting the thing since 02- 03. I am not here to say planes hit or did not hit- but only we all should veiw all evidence including September clues. Its best to think for your self rather than let others think for you is my philosophy. So i encourage folks to investigate all films and decide for them self. Not just Loose change though it is a good one and should be considerd with all others.

Thanks. TM
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Aden on May 04, 2008, 12:07:32 am
If you are going to watch September Clues, you should watch this first:

September Clues - Busted
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550)

September Clues is itself a conspiracy.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Trade Mark on May 04, 2008, 09:50:17 pm
Why not watch september clues then watch your clip then watch loose change and not let anyone tell tou what to decide but decide for yourself?

Alls I say is I have seenem all and all have flaw. not one of us is with out flaw.

All of the footage used in SC is avilable to the public and is one groups analysis.

I will veiw your link. Thanx
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Trade Mark on May 04, 2008, 10:26:58 pm
Ok I saw this clip before and it is a weak attempt to discredit the entire film using a few points. Tactics and argumentations techniques.

Problem is they are tactics. The educated sounding voice is another attempt to discredit SC while they fail to discredit any of the SC clips using a peice of fruit like apples and oranges to calim 2 sides against eachother. Plus the fact is that there are more than 13 videos and your video fails to cover them all but only a few clips.

your clip may have good points but its obvious it is produced by agents payed to find flaws and they have not swayed me one bit by this attempt. I have carfully veiwed SC at least four times along with the supplement vidios.

No one really knows what happend but those who staged it so any attempt to solve the riddle using any clue is solid less it can be proved otherwise imo. If anyone has solid evidence they should present it to Socialservice the producers of SC. I received the film from a European who knows the producers of September Clues and I can say he is solid.

On the "rules for the forum" on the Loose Change site. You are not allowed to even bring up SC. To me that is the most suspiciouse clue of all of who wants to discredit SC. Why? because if there are no planes Loose change has the bunk claims and final cut will loose sales.

The first doc I seen on the 9-11 was "in plane site" so shall we discredit it because it offers dif clues than loose chang? No but use them all to decide for our self I say just to be fair.

I say any attempt at arriving at truth is a solid foundation to build on.

Peace

Non of these films offers absolute end all be all to what was planned that day but only evidence it wasnt the "official story" They raise questions and only the individual can answer those and Me or anyone else can say stop looking now because all the facts are in and nothing else can be discoverd. There is no "final Cut" until the one who actually planned this tell the whole story and we all know that will never happen so lets keep researching and use any and all evidence.

We are all in it together.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Byrne0ut on May 04, 2008, 10:42:05 pm
PLANES HITS THE TWIN TOWERS.  Argument over.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Trade Mark on May 05, 2008, 09:54:40 am
No no... I dont want to argue but only defend open minded and free thought. Let non of us think we have the final cut of information and we are the end all be all of the answers. Let us be freinds who love one another for searching to the ends of the earth for answers to release all the slaves of Despots.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: WACCster on August 04, 2008, 12:27:27 am
VIEW [email protected] (http://wearechangecolorado.org)


NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Morgan Rose
WeAreChangeColorado
8/1/08

COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of
covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and
continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church
Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging
pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare
operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing
movements.  These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted
movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted
movement.
 
Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations
popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners
and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the
public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security
and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur
operations.  Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body
politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO
action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around
certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official
Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World
Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were
brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.
 
While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict
eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan
Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their
energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements .
See a problem here?
 
Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a
pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate
questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government
officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects,
academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.
 
Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by
Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501
(c) 3, or “nonprofit” status,  However, recent investigations conducted by
concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain
“nonprofit” status with the IRS.  In fact, more rigorous  inquires have
obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its
home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates
solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants.
“Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to
Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple
complaints with the FTC and IRS.
 
Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their
portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League,
Citigroup, and The National Security Council.  3BDigital boasts to have
partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman
Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense
contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the
developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the
supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that
these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own
theories.
 
The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man
who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations  of
COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified.
WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he
assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.
 
Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding
the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane
Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the
media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods.
Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.
 
So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors,
major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The
National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane”
pseudo-movement?
 
The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds,
and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas,
before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply
diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more
sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns
has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been
fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations
of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel.
Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly
begs the question: does it get any more transparent?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: pcc on August 05, 2008, 03:05:58 am
Great post,  but it pisses me off too!
Just reminds me of how angry I am at Morgan Reynolds..
I propagated some of this crap myself until I looked a little deeper..

Damn he made a good argument, and there I was fresh into discovery about 9/11..
And his associate Judy Wood had some terrific pictures with seemingly plausible explanations..
But that was his purpose.. To be very loud and obvious with his split from Scholars and Steven Jones..
Fetzer Too.. What a crack pot.. (Was he there because we would be sympathetic to his case, due to his research on the JFK assassination?) They created a pseudo research group and tried to make it as credible as possible..
I watched.. But I kept looking.. Others came along too.. “Loose Change”  is so full of holes, but has become a “Sacred Cow” to a lot of truthers..  Now it keeps correcting mistakes with every edition.. (Which is good) But why the need?

It became a Lihop/Mihop nightmare.. I think it will come down to: "they" let the Towers be hit because "they" needed to make wtc7 happen.. Why? Lots of very important secrets in wtc7.. Central nerve center.. Pentagon? To add to the confusion? or maybe something more..  Shanksville?  Seems like something there wasn’t planned.. Shootdown? Why?

I think JTCoyote is right about one thing for sure.. There are other things to consider besides the physical evidence..
I’ve been through it all.. Learned some of the best, most overlooked facts from de-bunking sites.. (useful tool, if you don’t get sucked into their conclusions without thinking)..
But we have to get into “their” minds.. Instead of “them” getting into ours..
We can do this..  The truth, as always, is right there in plain site.. But we are so distracted that we can’t see it.. Yet..

Always remember what was done to us that day.. and all of the ramifications.. Regardless of who did it..
We will find them.. And we won’t be nice.. ~pcc


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: WACCster on August 06, 2008, 11:42:29 pm
Fetzer has now gone against hundreds of eyewitness statements and is content with the 'no plane' disinfo...confirmed
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hawkwind on January 05, 2009, 06:50:36 am
this one went right under my radar until today...i cant believe it, this might be the most striking visual evidence ive seen thus far.

what do you make of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr4BJ89Df5Q
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Matthew on January 05, 2009, 07:41:36 am
Compelling. I looked at some videos taken from other angles and you can't see it.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: PTTurboe on January 05, 2009, 08:53:50 am
Global Hawk and the White Planes over both cities. The planes were flown into the buildings by those White Planes...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hawkwind on January 06, 2009, 03:24:00 am
Global Hawk and the White Planes over both cities. The planes were flown into the buildings by those White Planes...

so that IR dot that was tracking the plane was the guidance system? does the IR beam originate from those drones? or those large c130's with the satellite on top
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: dr4gon on January 06, 2009, 04:42:14 am
Hmm i reckon the guy who made this vid is definitely onto something.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Drag0n on January 06, 2009, 04:42:55 am
I am skeptical about the camera supposedly used for this. I don't see how you would be able to record IR spectrum with visible light at the same time, and be able to see both on playback. I would like to see some kind of test done to prove that filter works as advertised.
And there's the ILS Instrument Landing System, it would be easier just to reprogram the co-ordinates in the computer and sit back and let autopilot do the job for you.

I think they over rode the computer right after they stormed the cockpit and the computers were remotely reprogrammed. Attah himself couldn't figure out how to turn off the mike in the cockpit, how'd he manage to make the course correction, DO the turn maneuver AND score a direct hit into the building. No Fukkin' way them planes were flown manually into the buildings.

The question I would ask is, What does this IR theory divert my attention from, how else could one remotely re-program a jumbo jets computer to fly it into a building.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hawkwind on January 06, 2009, 04:55:15 am
I am skeptical about the camera supposedly used for this. I don't see how you would be able to record IR spectrum with visible light at the same time, and be able to see both on playback. I would like to see some kind of test done to prove that filter works as advertised.
And there's the ILS Instrument Landing System, it would be easier just to reprogram the co-ordinates in the computer and sit back and let autopilot do the job for you.

I think they over rode the computer right after they stormed the cockpit and the computers were remotely reprogrammed. Attah himself couldn't figure out how to turn off the mike in the cockpit, how'd he manage to make the course correction, DO the turn maneuver AND score a direct hit into the building. No Fukkin' way them planes were flown manually into the buildings.

The question I would ask is, What does this IR theory divert my attention from, how else could one remotely re-program a jumbo jets computer to fly it into a building.



I have seen another video from a different angle with the same "white dot" but this video is the first ive seen where the dot continues to track across the other buildings on a set angle, at first i thought it could be trickery or a piece of flying debris but it wasnt until he slowed the footage down that you can actually see the white dot reflect off the fireball aswell, now that has to be a powerful frikkin laser to show up on the camera brighter than an actual fireball ....maybe "they" already had physical remote control units placed inside the planes that were pre programmed and the laser guidance system was their plan b if the RC flight path wasnt corrected in time so the drones essentially took over pilot...of course i may be looking too much into things here but it is an interesting theory none the less.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dolphin on January 06, 2009, 05:10:09 am
where the planes wing lights on? it being day time you'd expect them to be off though.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 06, 2009, 05:29:39 am
According to this...

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/home_run.htm

The didn`t need IR to control them.

Quote
In order to make Home Run truly effective, it had to be completely integrated with all onboard systems, and this could only be accomplished with a new aircraft design, several of which were on the drawing boards at that time.  Under cover of extreme secrecy, the multinationals and DARPA went ahead on this basis and built "back doors" into the new computer designs.  There were two very obvious hard requirements at this stage, the first a primary control channel for use in taking over the flight control system and flying the aircraft back to an airfield of choice, and secondly a covert audio channel for monitoring flight deck conversations.  Once the primary channel was activated, all aircraft functions came under direct ground control, permanently removing the hijackers and pilots from the control loop.

Remember here, this was not a system designed to "undermine" the authority of the flight crews, but was put in place as a "doomsday" device in the event the hijackers started to shoot passengers or crew members, possibly including the pilots.  Using the perfectly reasonable assumption that hijackers only carry a limited number of bullets, and many aircraft nowadays carry in excess of 300 passengers, Home Run could be used to fly all of the survivors to a friendly airport for a safe auto landing.  So the system started out in life for the very best of reasons, but finally fell prey to security leaks, and eventually to compromised computer codes.  In light of recent high-profile CIA and FBI spying trials, these leaks and compromised codes should come as no great surprise to anyone.

   Activating the primary Home Run channel proved to be easy.  Most readers will have heard of a "transponder", prominent in most news reports immediately following the attacks on New York and Washington.  Technically a transponder is a combined radio transmitter and receiver which operates automatically, in this case relaying data between the four aircraft and air traffic control on the ground.  The signals sent provide a unique "identity" for each aircraft, essential in crowded airspace to avoid mid-air collisions, and equally essential for Home Run controllers trying to lock onto the correct aircraft.  Once it has located the correct aircraft, Home Run "piggy backs" a data transmission onto the transponder channel and takes direct control from the ground.

However the report also says that they were probably controlled from the ground, but I belive it was the white jets that were in control myself.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 06, 2009, 05:43:43 am
Was an interesting video though, thanks for posting.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 06, 2009, 05:45:35 am
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4WzF8_x0no&feature=related

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Bo7qKUKfs&feature=channel_page


Some more good 9/11 vids.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 06, 2009, 05:51:07 am
Try using this theory with the general public.  :-\

Let's stick to facts, what we can prove.

I'd listen to April Gallop over the video maker, as one example of facts vs. theory

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 06, 2009, 05:53:27 am
Try using this theory with the general public.  :-\

Let's stick to facts, what we can prove.



The "In plane sight" video series or DVD makes a mockery of the notion of a large plane hitting the Pentagon.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 06, 2009, 09:09:53 am
The "In plane sight" video series or DVD makes a mockery of the notion of a large plane hitting the Pentagon.
I'm not sure if I've seen that documentary but all people need to ask is: 'Why can't we see the 82 or so videos of the Pentagon at the time when you, the Government claims that a commercial 747 airliner struck it? If the flight data recorder is right then how is it that national security can be claimed?'

For some of the general public it's best just to ask them about the video surveillance tapes being withheld. With others with more intelligence the structural damage is obviously not a 747 but either a smaller (Fighter?) jet or missile.

But the biggest question of all which really hasn't been a major talking point amongst the 9/11 truth movement (Correct me if I'm wrong). The failure of anti-aircraft missile batteries and proximity alerts at the Pentagon. To me this is as important as WTC 7.

Not to mention the Flight 93 which has many questions open for debate.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on January 06, 2009, 03:04:04 pm
the planes hit supposedly at 500 mph, the twin towers were 63m in width, the wingspan of the planes were about 50, they each hit at a 30-45 degree angle meaning they BANK TURNED INTO the towers. Also, in both cases, the entire plane it the towers, its not as if they just clipped their wing on them. Basic trigonometry will tell u that the nose cone would have to hit near the center of that 63m width with a 30m margin of error. 30 meters is about the width of ur average runway.

Could one land a plane at 500 miles an hour? could one line up to a runway at 500 miles an hour?

500 mph is about 220 meters per second, meaning that the planes travelled about 4 times the width of the towers each second. If they had turned just a fraction of a second too late or too early, or if they banked too shallow or too steep they would have completely missed the towers.

Theres no way atta could have done this... pilots with thousands of hours of experience have tried to hit those buildings in simulations and failed.

to quote Sherlock Holmes...
"when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains - no matter how improbable - must be the truth"
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 06, 2009, 05:56:21 pm

Theres no way atta could have done this... pilots with thousands of hours of experience have tried to hit those buildings in simulations and failed.

to quote Sherlock Holmes...
"when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains - no matter how improbable - must be the truth"

Sounds like missiles......with the planes being CGI.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 06, 2009, 05:57:52 pm
I'm not sure if I've seen that documentary but all people need to ask is: 'Why can't we see the 82 or so videos of the Pentagon at the time when you,

Right....there's heaps of camera's on and around the Pentagon, not to mention the gas station which had it's footage confiscated.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on January 06, 2009, 06:09:13 pm
Sounds like missiles......with the planes being CGI.

no im not a no planer, i meant remote IR hijackings ... ppl argue against it coz it could be easily overriden ... i was just using the quote to say that no matter how impractical it is, its pretty much the only plausible option.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 06, 2009, 06:16:24 pm
no im not a no planer, i meant remote IR hijackings ... ppl argue against it coz it could be easily overriden ... i was just using the quote to say that no matter how impractical it is, its pretty much the only plausible option.

What about the nose in, nose out nonsense?....and if you accept no plane at the Pentagon, why so unreasonable to accept no planes at all, especially as many eyewitnesses mention missiles.


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 06, 2009, 06:20:41 pm
I dont dispute the idea of guidance systems but I dont think a computer guided plane would need a "light" to find its way as if it has eyes.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on January 06, 2009, 06:25:00 pm
What about the nose in, nose out nonsense?....and if you accept no plane at the Pentagon, why so unreasonable to accept no planes at all, especially as many eyewitnesses mention missiles.



i dont accept the no plane at the pentagon... or at shanksvile... i think its interesting that they havent released any pentagon videos... but thats probably a psyop in itself to promote the no plane theories ... as far as im concerned if they can crash 2 planes, they can crash 4.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 06, 2009, 06:25:46 pm
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4WzF8_x0no&feature=related


Watch the first 8 seconds for the most ridiculous nose in nose out   bullshit you'll ever see.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 06, 2009, 07:00:52 pm
we have to be really critical about questionable "mediocrity".                      It mitigates our credibility.

When you think it is odd ---- this is not in other footage from the same angle --  you have rights to shoot it down
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: agentbluescreen on January 06, 2009, 07:01:49 pm
Even though the flying horns of the He-Goat had nothing to do with the bombing and felling of the two horns of the Ram, the planes were of important propaganda and tactical value to this poorly staged Daniel Chapter 8 Show, and it's MI6/Fed/Pentagon World Order, the Bush Neocon sycophants and the NYC Asbestos-Lawsuit Remediation program.

This is exactly the 'invisible' laser targeting technique used for weapon guidance controls on smart military guidance systems developed for and based upon cruise autopilot systems  of advanced aircraft by forward ground 'smart artillery' soldiers.
 

And yes even the most primitive 'transistor-age' black and white home surveillance image Reticon and image Othicon tubes and electronics are very, very sensitive to ultraviolet light wavelengths as are all modern solid state CCD (optically charge coupled addressable ram chips) used in digital cameras! Moreover the filtered data is not lost. the invisible wavelength information is recorded and preserved nonetheless attenuated as clearly discriminable added ultra-white information! (out-of-gamut chrominance) This is forensic evidence of incredibly important and damning stature that must be explained.

Just how did a bunch of US trained Arabs who couldn't fly a Piper Cub or tell the difference between a cabin PA and the ATC radio know how to patch an optical target acquisition computer into the Autopilot, much less obtain the hardware to do so?? (Or know that the countries entire NORAD ADIZ system and commercial ATC and military ADI radars would be down all day that particular day, confounded with 'exercises' so that they could leisurely cruise by, comfortably passing directly over more than 55 active military and USCG air bases without concern?)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 06, 2009, 07:08:09 pm
why is this not seen in other footage?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 06, 2009, 07:15:00 pm
Even though the flying horns of the He-Goat had nothing to do with the bombing and felling of the two horns of the Ram, the planes were of important propaganda and tactical value to this poorly staged Daniel Chapter 8 Show, and it's MI6/Fed/Pentagon World Order, the Bush Neocon sycophants and the NYC Asbestos-Lawsuit Remediation program.

This is exactly the 'invisible' laser targeting technique used for weapon guidance controls on smart military guidance systems developed for and based upon cruise autopilot systems  of advanced aircraft by forward ground 'smart artillery' soldiers.
 

And yes even the most primitive 'transistor-age' black and white home surveillance image Reticon and image Othicon tubes and electronics are very, very sensitive to ultraviolet light wavelengths as are all modern solid state CCD (optically charge coupled addressable ram chips) used in digital cameras! Moreover the filtered data is not lost. the invisible wavelength information is recorded and preserved nonetheless attenuated as clearly discriminable added ultra-white information! (out-of-gamut chrominance) This is forensic evidence of incredibly important and damning stature that must be explained.

Just how did a bunch of US trained Arabs who couldn't fly a Piper Cub or tell the difference between a cabin PA and the ATC radio know how to patch target acquisition computer into the Autopilot? (or that the countries entire NORAD ADIZ and radars would be down all day that particular day with 'exercises' so that they could leisurely cruise by comfortably passing directly over more than 55 active military and USCG air bases without concern?)


Just curious about how exactly this laser system operates because you appear to know how it does?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 06, 2009, 07:22:38 pm
not an expert on blogging give me time
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Tsul777 on January 06, 2009, 07:45:16 pm
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk58/johntsul/RQ-4GlobalHawk2.jpg)
These paint targets all the time
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 06, 2009, 07:49:41 pm
what do you mean "paint targets"

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Tsul777 on January 06, 2009, 07:57:04 pm
what do you mean "paint targets"



It aquires the target and then sends the information back to the attack craft and all the pilot has to do is push the fire button. Ever hear of a smart bomb? The target's coordinates are embedded in the munition.

Here's a picture of Gates' favourite Taliban Talisman with smart bombs and hellfire missile to boot!
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk58/johntsul/AIR_UAV_MQ-9_Paveway_Hellfires_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 06, 2009, 07:59:27 pm
For those who support planes, how do you explain the nose is nose out video's...?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 06, 2009, 08:03:55 pm
It aquires the target and then sends the information back to the attack craft and all the pilot has to do is push the fire button. Ever hear of a smart bomb? The target's coordinates are embedded in the munition.

Makes complete sense tsul  but my issue is this lighted target.
What do you think of that?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 06, 2009, 08:06:29 pm
For those who support planes, how do you explain the nose is nose out video's...?

what is this nose in nose out nonsense? 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 06, 2009, 08:12:03 pm
what is this nose in nose out nonsense? 


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4WzF8_x0no&feature=related

Have a look....do you think a plance can crash thru a WTC tower with it's nose intact...?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Tsul777 on January 06, 2009, 09:21:10 pm
It aquires the target and then sends the information back to the attack craft and all the pilot has to do is push the fire button. Ever hear of a smart bomb? The target's coordinates are embedded in the munition.

Makes complete sense tsul  but my issue is this lighted target.
What do you think of that?

Looks like tomfoolery to me. I really don't think they would be that obvious. The gov laser painters are invisible.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: plantop14 on January 06, 2009, 09:36:27 pm
I'm not sure if I've seen that documentary but all people need to ask is: 'Why can't we see the 82 or so videos of the Pentagon at the time when you, the Government claims that a commercial 747 airliner struck it? If the flight data recorder is right then how is it that national security can be claimed?'

For some of the general public it's best just to ask them about the video surveillance tapes being withheld. With others with more intelligence the structural damage is obviously not a 747 but either a smaller (Fighter?) jet or missile.

But the biggest question of all which really hasn't been a major talking point amongst the 9/11 truth movement (Correct me if I'm wrong). The failure of anti-aircraft missile batteries and proximity alerts at the Pentagon. To me this is as important as WTC 7.

Not to mention the Flight 93 which has many questions open for debate.
Damn good point Mr. A!!!!! The big question to me is all the surveillance cameras at and all around the Pentagon, where's the videos? That's another "smoking gun" to me!!!!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 07, 2009, 10:19:15 am
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4WzF8_x0no&feature=related

Have a look....do you think a plance can crash thru a WTC tower with it's nose intact...?

I have no idea, is there other footage showing that "nose".
What is with that chunk that seems to come near the camera??
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xfahctor on January 07, 2009, 11:30:40 am
After it crashed me half a dozen times, I managed to get through the video. It's bunk, all I saw was a piece of junk floating around.
 now on to more specific issues with it.
The video claims the piece was shot with a "carl zeiss vario sonnar t" lense, which is suposed to be sensative to electronic infared light, which is no different from any other infared light, There are a few problems with this.
  First, the lense mentioned is not an infared lense its a telephoto zoom lens and not even a very long range one, much better for close quarters shots.
 Second, the lense would also have had to have added time travel capabilities to the camera because the lense didn't come out until about 2007.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 07, 2009, 07:04:28 pm
YO....the importance of recognizing the TV fakery that is the nose in nose out, is that it all implicates the media.....an industry full of Jews.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 07, 2009, 09:14:18 pm

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4WzF8_x0no&feature=related

Some more good 9/11 vids.
Looks a bit like this video which doesn't show any nose out...

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=smKK8Tzhpso

Seems like the video you linked to was utter doctored crap.

YO....the importance of recognizing the TV fakery that is the nose in nose out, is that it all implicates the media.....an industry full of Jews.
What a troll, no, just a delusional moron.

TV fakery - $10M
Mainstream media empire - $Trillions
Knowing that you can blame everything on the Jews - Priceless

-------------------------------------------------------------

This TV fakery bullshit mastered by Disinformation agents and Cointelpro is completely debunked by Seismic evidence indicating bombs and aircraft impacts into the towers.

Not to mention the countless witnesses who SAW & HEARD these 747 airliners.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 07, 2009, 11:31:29 pm

Seems like the video you linked to was utter doctored crap.
What a troll, no, just a delusional moron.


Ohhh, looks like I touched a nerve.....care to tell us what ethnicity you are Mr Sensitive?
FYI, the youtube video "September Clues" also exposes the TV fakery and the methods of deliberate censorship employed by our lovely Jewish media.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 08, 2009, 12:33:30 am
Ohhh, looks like I touched a nerve.....care to tell us what ethnicity you are Mr Sensitive?
FYI, the youtube video "September Clues" also exposes the TV fakery and the methods of deliberate censorship employed by our lovely Jewish media.
More disinfo as per usual.

*Yawn* Your failing.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VJig1wj7oLI
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 08, 2009, 02:32:01 am
More disinfo as per usual.

*Yawn* Your failing.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VJig1wj7oLI

I beg your pardon you bored moron, but I don't dispute the explosions and bombs, I'm disputing the idea that hijacked airliners were used+ your little ameteur video proves nothing as many people in September clues speak of seeing missiles.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 08, 2009, 04:35:32 am
I beg your pardon you bored moron, but I don't dispute the explosions and bombs, I'm disputing the idea that hijacked airliners were used+ your little ameteur video proves nothing as many people in September clues speak of seeing missiles.

While on your delusional troll n plug of disinfo saying no planes hit anything while supporting the idea that WTC 1, 2 & 7 were brought down by controlled demolitions your hung up on a non-existent problem and intentionally poisoning those legitimate citizens basing their research on facts.

So either your a very weak minded individual easily tricked by disinformation or your very well aware of your deceptiveness.

Saying that there was TV fakery in NO way helps uncover the crimes of 9/11! It's a deliberate attempt by Cointelpro to distract and dilute those legitimate questions citizens of the world ask.

Ask real questions;

9/11 Chronicles: Truth Rising Part I - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=t-yscpNIxjI
Loose Change Final Cut - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk7htWPF874 | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yAS4TIYF68A
Martial Law 911 - http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718&ei=zNdlSYXoFIGQwgOMp_UJ&q=martial+law+911&hl=en
Zero: An investigation into 9/11 - http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=2296490368603788739&ei=C9hlSZSLAoOMwgPSwKz3AQ&q=zero+an+investigation+into+9+11&hl=en

The list is endless yet you are hung up on whether actual planes hit buildings.........

Debunking September Clues
http://truthaction.org/debunkingseptemberclues.pdf




 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 08, 2009, 04:38:41 am


The list is endless yet you are hung up on whether actual planes hit buildings.........

Debunking September Clues
http://truthaction.org/debunkingseptemberclues.pdf



Prison Planet.....ask yourself which industry has more Jews, the media or the military, LOL.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 08, 2009, 04:47:15 am
Prison Planet.....ask yourself which industry has more Jews, the media or the military, LOL.
Yeah I figured what side of the fence you've chosen.

How good does it feel to knowingly participate as a drone for disinformation? Feel tough, secure and at ease?

Either way, moron or expert.......you've already lost.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 08, 2009, 05:38:11 am
Yeah I figured what side of the fence you've chosen.

How good does it feel to knowingly participate as a drone for disinformation? Feel tough, secure and at ease?

Either way, moron or expert.......you've already lost.

The forum should note that the idiot calling itself mr anderson not only engaged in first strike ad hom, but seems content to persist with it.....hardly the MO of a serious and compassionate person.
For those that don't know, I've been studying philosophy for the last 8 yrs.......make of that what you will, but I go out of my way to be civilized for as long as possible in case I'm wrong, yet ole mate here thinks basic and laughable video's of unknown individuals screaming in horror that they saw a plane somehow contradicts the fact that numerous people claim to have seen missiles, and only a complete idiot believes that a plane hit the pentagon.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 08, 2009, 06:10:12 am
The forum should note that the idiot calling itself mr anderson not only engaged in first strike ad hom, but seems content to persist with it.....hardly the MO of a serious and compassionate person.
For those that don't know, I've been studying philosophy for the last 8 yrs.......make of that what you will, but I go out of my way to be civilized for as long as possible in case I'm wrong, yet ole mate here thinks basic and laughable video's of unknown individuals screaming in horror that they saw a plane somehow contradicts the fact that numerous people claim to have seen missiles, and only a complete idiot believes that a plane hit the pentagon.


Studying Philosophy really?  Like at a bonafide school or reading Plato's republic and Aesop's fables during the summer? 

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on January 08, 2009, 06:10:21 am
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The forum should note that the idiot calling itself mr anderson not only engaged in first strike ad hom, but seems content to persist with it.....hardly the MO of a serious and compassionate person.
The forum notes that Mr Anderson has rightfully pointed out that you are a moron.

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For those that don't know, I've been studying philosophy for the last 8 yrs.......make of that what you will, but I go out of my way to be civilized for as long as possible in case I'm wrong, yet ole mate here thinks basic and laughable video's of unknown individuals screaming in horror that they saw a plane somehow contradicts the fact that numerous people claim to have seen missiles, and only a complete idiot believes that a plane hit the pentagon.

When will you people realize, that I've been telling you this forever. The NO  PLane Idiocy started at the Pentagon! No PLane at the Pentagon is the NO PLANE Cointel BS.
That's right a big ol plane crashed into the Pentagon, because on 9/11 Planes flew into buildings. The evidence and the witnesses confirm it, and this has been beaten to death.

And dude here who insists the JEWS who control the media created the myth of planes flying into buildings, evidently doesn't realize that firefighters who lost friends and relatives on 9/11 who do not work for the media or are jewish are the ones that started that "planes hit the buildings myth". Not the media. Your stupid cointel inspired theory of no planes wasn't created by "fakery" or media, it was created by people who are victims of the attacks who made the reports before a single Jew working in media said a word about planes. Take your no plane BS elsewhere.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 08, 2009, 06:23:02 am
The forum should note that the idiot calling itself mr anderson not only engaged in first strike ad hom, but seems content to persist with it.....hardly the MO of a serious and compassionate person.
For those that don't know, I've been studying philosophy for the last 8 yrs.......make of that what you will, but I go out of my way to be civilized for as long as possible in case I'm wrong, yet ole mate here thinks basic and laughable video's of unknown individuals screaming in horror that they saw a plane somehow contradicts the fact that numerous people claim to have seen missiles, and only a complete idiot believes that a plane hit the pentagon.


The Pentagon is open for debate, that much is obvious. Whether it be a small fighter jet or a missile...That's why there needs to be an INDEPENDENT investigation.

Release the 82 tapes and let us settle it once and for all. The withholding of those tapes only highlights the questions we have.

But the no plane theory lie of the towers is 100% disinformation disseminated by Cointelpro, useful idiots & mocking birds. Countless witnesses saw, heard and felt those planes impact the towers.

So I'm perplexed as to how you think that saying no planes hit the towers is helping achieve an independent investigation? ? ? Can you answer that?

Is the no plane theory helping expose intelligence ties? Military drills mirroring the events?


Good night.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 08, 2009, 06:39:51 am
If one is a critical thinker (entry level philosophy course) the idea that planes hit the towers is undisputable.  The notion of a jewish gang painting airplanes on every single film taken that day is a good subject for extremely abstract quantum graduate studies.  Please note the sarcasm.  

I, for one, dont think the pentagon was hit by a 757.  This is based on pilots for truths movies(highly recommended expert input), analysis of the crash scene (really where are the engines?), destruction of the crime scene, where are the films? (some 80 cameras in the area), etc.  I've read Hoffmann's analysis and find it weak.  One point he weighs heavily on is the test film of a plane on a rail smashing into a wall.  This plane does not have engines on its wings.  It has to be understood  that the engines are the most solid part of these large planes, the fuselage is essentially a hollow tin can.  The pentagon had one big puncture in it through 4 of its rings (i think it was 4), if it had two it would be more plausible.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 08, 2009, 06:57:49 am
Dummies, watch "September clues" on youtube and educate yourself.
I once again point out that I've had to resort to defending myself from ad hom designed to thwart debate and demonize me.
If you "f**king idiots" are capable of critical thinking, I suggest you open your f**king eyes.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 08, 2009, 07:02:30 am

Debunking September Clues
http://truthaction.org/debunkingseptemberclues.pdf



You want to try taking your own advice. Mr Anderson posted an article which completely destroyed, piece by piece the very video you`re now shouting about.

Read it, I did, I don`t even buy the No Planes hit the WTC`s but the fact that he`d seperated it and highlighted it by choosing a different colour gave away it`s importance.

;)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 08, 2009, 07:20:20 am
Dummies, watch "September clues" on youtube and educate yourself.
I once again point out that I've had to resort to defending myself from ad hom designed to thwart debate and demonize me.
If you "f**king idiots" are capable of critical thinking, I suggest you open your f**king eyes.

I have watched half of it because it was insulting my intelligence.

Your accusations of ad hom attacks are also weak.  You used your socalled credentials to bolster your arguments, quote "Ive studied philosophy for 8 years."  I am questioning that, which you haven't elaborated upon.  Yes I am saying you are not a critical thinker.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Size10 on January 08, 2009, 01:19:08 pm
I hesitate even mentioning this at all, because I'm still coming to grips with this hoax. You can listen to the faked suicide on the Tuesday Jim Fetzer show on this YouTube clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU8W18dS6YA

Fetzer then ended the broadcast and called the LA cops, who subsequently found Ace alive and well at his home.

Here is Ace Baker's explanation for the hoax on his blog:

http://acebaker.blogspot.com/2009/01/why.html
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Size10 on January 08, 2009, 01:53:54 pm
More reaction to the hoax:

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=5907&st=0
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: DavidIg on January 08, 2009, 02:18:53 pm
I have watched half of it because it was insulting my intelligence.

Your accusations of ad hom attacks are also weak.  You used your socalled credentials to bolster your arguments, quote "Ive studied philosophy for 8 years."  I am questioning that, which you haven't elaborated upon.  Yes I am saying you are not a critical thinker.


I don't give a toss what you're questioning.....stay on topic and off me.

mod edit; removed the BS accusation. Keep your cool please David.  :)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xfahctor on January 08, 2009, 02:39:54 pm
Does it matter to ANYONE supporting this particular video that the lense he mentions in the video DIDN'T EXIST in 2001 and didn't come out until 2007?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 08, 2009, 05:17:09 pm
I am on the topics you mention, NUDNIK.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 08, 2009, 11:18:08 pm
Dummies, watch "September clues" on youtube and educate yourself.
I once again point out that I've had to resort to defending myself from ad hom designed to thwart debate and demonize me.
If you "f**king idiots" are capable of critical thinking, I suggest you open your f**king eyes.
Easy enough to see now?

So I'm perplexed as to how you think that saying no planes hit the towers is helping achieve an independent investigation? ? ? Can you answer that?

Is the no plane theory helping expose intelligence ties? Foreknowledge? Military drills mirroring the events? Hijackers at military bases?


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Amd304912 on January 08, 2009, 11:22:08 pm
Easy enough to see now?

So I'm perplexed as to how you think that saying no planes hit the towers is helping achieve an independent investigation? ? ? Can you answer that?

Is the no plane theory helping expose intelligence ties? Foreknowledge? Military drills mirroring the events? Hijackers at military bases?




hes upset by fabeled enemies it seems. maybe he was dancing in around that day and cant understand that since he knew about it before it happened.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on January 09, 2009, 12:14:58 am
Ace Baker's nose out theories have been debunked to the moon and back.. no planes = disinfo nonsense. It's like saying there were no guns used on JFK. Ignore it.

Here's a good thread on the credibiity of Ace Baker. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php/topic,78958.0.html
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on January 09, 2009, 12:17:53 am
Ace Baker is a f**king idiot.

That's provided we're talking about the faker baker, not the real Ace Baker... see:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=8412580&albumId=281956


"Performing Art Suicide Hoax"..? what a lame attention-seeking cover-up story for being a failed 9/11 disinfo peddler.

To think the no-planers put a drop of faith in this guy, the mind truly boggles.

I never knew Fetzer liked this guy so much. Listening to that whole thing was beyond cringeworthy.

Urgh.

from his blog;

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2 days ago I pretended to commit suicide while on an interview show with Jim Fetzer. Why on earth would I do such a thing? I knew that the truth of such an act would be easily determined. Sure enough, within a half hour or so, four uniformed police officers arrived at my door, summoned by Dr. Fetzer. I explained my actions to the cops, as I will explain below. Evidently they reported back to Fetzer, who wasted no time alerting Killtown.

This was a work of performance art. The societal function of artists is to challenge the perceptions, to stimulate thoughts and emotions within audience members that might not otherwise occur.

There were two important messages intended by my suicide performance art, one of which was quite clear enough in the audio-only version, and which I will discuss below. The other, even more important message, will best be understood in the context of the video version, and which I will not discuss until after that is released. (read - which I will not discuss until I have wangled another lame cover story for)

Just go away from anything 9/11, please!  >:(

NO PLANER NIGHTMARE (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bdnyVxfj9_U)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on January 09, 2009, 04:12:36 am
those people must be insane or well paid. i would never volunteerly type that much BS and acting to be serious and honest. also mentioning real researches together with insane people like judy wood and nico haupt. that baker guy is seriously messed up.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on January 09, 2009, 04:41:44 am
those people must be insane or well paid. i would never volunteerly type that much BS and acting to be serious and honest. also mentioning real researches together with insane people like judy wood and nico haupt. that baker guy is seriously messed up.

Probably insane and thinking that by having CIA controllers they are somehow special. Or just plain bonkers. Or paid. Or all of the above.

Also from his blog, he Ace / Tiny / whatever throws it right in your face...

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On the 'prominent' 9/11 researchers...every one has staked out a peculiar position, surrounding the truth, protecting the truth, diverting all comers away from the truth with spin, double think, half-truth, bizarre fiction, and a mountain of irrelevancy.

haha!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 09, 2009, 06:15:07 am
finally he stopped chirping.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 09, 2009, 06:38:10 am
finally he stopped chirping.
(http://freespeech.vo.llnwd.net/o25/pub/images/air_force_blog_char.jpg)

Not saying he's a government blogger but just as annoying.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Size10 on January 09, 2009, 09:57:35 am
Postscript to the story:

Jim Fetzer's show "The Real Deal" was abruptly canceled by FU Radio minutes before he was to broadcast on Thursday. Fetzer called in to the Jack Blood Show a couple hours later, and received a serious smackdown from Blood.

I tried posting a link to the Thursday show, but there is no file for it. Check here later...

http://www.freedomundergroundradio.com/Blood_09.html



Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Capt. Obvious on January 09, 2009, 10:18:05 am
What a bunch of idiots!

I can't stand either of these guys.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 09, 2009, 10:19:07 am
What a gong show.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Jesus Murphy on January 09, 2009, 10:32:31 am
Prison Planet.....ask yourself which industry has more Jews, the media or the military, LOL.

...Yes, and making blatant statements like that one is a sure fire way to get this site shut down, should any minions of the ADL or AIPAC happen to pop in for a visit...

What a maroon... :D Stick to reading your Pluto, I mean Plato, old sport...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: newspresenter on January 09, 2009, 04:31:10 pm
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4WzF8_x0no&feature=related
Notice the white dot on the right, what is it?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 09, 2009, 05:16:33 pm
Which white dot on the right?

The one that remains a constant straightish line and travels across the screen blinking in and out of the cameras vision?

Or the thing that fly`s out of WTC and plummets towards the ground?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 09, 2009, 07:04:59 pm
Notice the white dot on the right, what is it?

  A bird, a plane, paper, reflection, a lazer pointed guidance system, who knows?  Maybe its Superma....  (couldn't resist)
 take a look at the rest of the thread.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on January 09, 2009, 08:05:50 pm

I, for one, dont think the pentagon was hit by a 757.
This is based on pilots for truths movies(highly recommended expert input)
Uh....their sole reason for existing is to promote the idea of no plane at the pentagon. A big plane hitting the pentagon puts them out of business....and makes people who buy this stuff look rather silly...
http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots

Pilots for truth? Or self preservation?

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analysis of the crash scene (really where are the engines?),

What does this look like?
(http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/diffuser1.jpg)

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I've read Hoffmann's analysis and find it weak.

You show in your own post that instead of dismissing the research of possibly the top 9/11 researcher there is(Hoffman) you should be paying more attention to it as he exposes one of the no plane cointel myths you've fallen for.....

 
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The pentagon had one big puncture in it through 4 of its rings (i think it was 4), if it had two it would be more plausible.

It only went through two walls.....
This argument is based on a misunderstanding of the Pentagon's design. In fact, the light wells between the C- and D-ring and D- and E-ring are only three stories deep.
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/punchout.html

Also
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/118.html

Why do Hoffman and others believe a big plane hit? Are we really "cointel" agents out to fool you? No, you're being fooled by the no plane garbage and by people who have a interest in convincing you a plane didn't hit for their own reasons.

What if I said, I don't care what Willie Rodriguez says he witnessed at the WTC. The witnesses at the WTC don't matter, they are unreliable, and it should be ignored. Pretty silly isn't it? Why don't detectives arriving at the scene of a crime tell the people who were there and saw what happened to go away? They don't care what they witnessed? That would be pretty silly wouldn't it? So why do some people say, it doesn't matter what the witnesses say at the pentagon? Pretty silly isn't it? There was more wreckage found of a large plane at the pentagon than the world trade center. And lots of witnesses. What did they say? You have no excuse for not knowing it's all been done for you.

This person (a truther)has gathered as many witness statements as he can find and compiled them for you. Now as a researcher who is honestly interested in what happened how could you not want to see it? It's right here....
http://web.archive.org/web/20061130004634/eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html

also...
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html

After reading these accounts, what can you conclude? I conclude a plane hit...a big one....Loose change producer K Rowe has come to the same conclusion as seen here....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3634801432278945026&hl=en

Well,....if the WTC was packed with explosives they had to be controlled by something other than crazy hijackers flying jets for the first time because you can't risk these planes not hitting their targets. And the pentagon proves it because the retard that was supposed to fly that plane was an incometent f**k.

The official story tells us that he was an experienced pilot that turned into one of the worlds greatest pilots....Bush in the 9/11 commission report says he was very impressed by his flying skills. He did this........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk&feature=related
So much for the idea large passenger jets can't fly a few feet off the ground...but this was an expert. Hani Hanjour was not.

Hani Hanjour went out of his way to hit the one spot of the building that was the least populated, and opposite of the high brass. How? Well......

"Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.

The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/national/main310721.shtml

See? The guy was a regular Chuck Yeager.  ::) 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Size10 on January 09, 2009, 08:56:49 pm
Here's some more ass-hattery and general fallout from the Ace Baker fake suicide and Jim Fetzer losing his show on WFURadio:

http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&p=119936
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 10, 2009, 02:40:50 am
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After reading these accounts, what can you conclude? I conclude a plane hit...a big one....Loose change producer K Rowe has come to the same conclusion as seen here....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3634801432278945026&hl=en

Interesting film, particularly if you listen to it on headfones like I just have.

19.00, about 4 seconds after the graphic glitch, somebody near the camera mic whispers to his friend, "Is that the guy?", the other guy whispers " Yeah", first guy whispers back "He`s crazy, conspiracy .." and it tails off after that, it`s either `theory` or `theorist`.

You can make it out on speaker too, well, the "He`s crazy" part anyway.Though I have to point out I am listening through the same srereo that I use to write my tunes. Considering it comes during the part when he`s talking about disinfo, you have to wonder how it got there. Is it accidental, or intentional? It`s certainly convenient timing.

Anybody else hear it?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 10, 2009, 05:04:32 am
quote from Jimd3100

"Why do Hoffman and others believe a big plane hit? Are we really "cointel" agents out to fool you? No, you're being fooled by the no plane garbage and by people who have a interest in convincing you a plane didn't hit for their own reasons."

I will take a closer look at what you have provided. 

Relax on the cointel insinuations.  We as a group are far ahead of the masses on this subject and some of us are further ahead then others.  The purpose of this forum is discussion right?

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on January 10, 2009, 06:10:50 am
quote from Jimd3100
Relax on the cointel insinuations.  We as a group are far ahead of the masses on this subject and some of us are further ahead then others.  The purpose of this forum is discussion right?

You are absolutely correct! And I in no way meant to imply anything at all towards you. But if 9/11 was indeed an inside job or aspects of it were, you better believe a 9/11 truth movement would be hit with disInfo. And it seems to me it's been walloped with it. But 99.999% of disinfo is spread by folks who are not "agents" but truthers who have been duped. That's how it works....I welcome any debate or disagreement, and frankly encourage it..I do not censure unless someone constantly cusses me out and makes accusations, or insists victims of 9/11 are actually perps.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on January 10, 2009, 11:52:25 am

TV fakery - $10M
Mainstream media empire - $Trillions
Knowing that you can blame everything on the Jews - Priceless

-------------------------------------------------------------


That post was fricking priceless!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xfahctor on January 10, 2009, 12:04:40 pm
I'm still not sure what the video is trying to say, or what the suposed laser was trying to guide, but the whole point is moot, the video is garbage because the fact remains, the lense mentioned in the video WAS NOT EVEN MADE UNTIL 2007 and isn't an infared lense the guy didn't know what the hell he was talking about. He stuck up a video, put a bunch of junk science in to it and hoped no one would look any further than that. why is this thread even still going?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 10, 2009, 03:40:46 pm
I think the threads still going because we stopped talking about the original video and started discussing other stuff instead. If you read the posts, you`ll see that you are the only one actually talking about the original post.

Our anti semitic friend hijacked the thread a long time ago with his badly drawn Jewish hologram plane theory. His theory was so well shot down that it`s become a `We all agree that planes hit the WTC, but disagree on what hit the Pentagon" thread instead.

Jim D and Sane believe it was the plane, Grapecrusher does not, I`m undecided on the issue and I`m checking out the videos incase I`m wrong. I hadn`t considered the idea that it was remote controlled like the others, but I still can`t get past the tiny hole it left behind and the intact facia that stayed that way for half an hour.

Newspresenter posted a different video, mentioned a white dot and hasn`t explained which white dot he`s reffering to.

The only thing we all seem to agree on, including DavidIg, is that the first video is wrong, even the original poster had his doubts about it.

Thanks for the information about the time travelling lens though, even though you haven`t posted a link to prove your point. I don`t know if you`ve noticed, but on here, it helps if you post a link to proof before anyone will accept anything you say, disinfo and all that.

Link to the lens the original film claims was used.
http://www.dyxum.com/columns/articles/lenses/SAL-1680CZ/Carl-zeiss-16-80-SAL-1680CZ_review.asp

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There was a long gap between the announcement and the final product becoming available on the market. Initially planned to be released in the last quarter of 2006, availability status was postponed to April 2007

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 10, 2009, 05:46:21 pm
You are absolutely correct! And I in no way meant to imply anything at all towards you. But if 9/11 was indeed an inside job or aspects of it were, you better believe a 9/11 truth movement would be hit with disInfo. And it seems to me it's been walloped with it. But 99.999% of disinfo is spread by folks who are not "agents" but truthers who have been duped. That's how it works....I welcome any debate or disagreement, and frankly encourage it..I do not censure unless someone constantly cusses me out and makes accusations, or insists victims of 9/11 are actually perps.

Looked deeper into what you have presented and have explored 911review entirely.  It is provocative and disturbing, some of which i will reserve for later discussion.  But to make one observation now.
#1  you have rightly pointed out the proper configuration of the pentagon -- there isnt spaces between the outer 3 rings on the first 3 levels.  The ground floor contines for all 3 rings without walls --- very important and not clear up til now.
 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on January 11, 2009, 03:39:08 pm
But the biggest question of all which really hasn't been a major talking point amongst the 9/11 truth movement (Correct me if I'm wrong). The failure of anti-aircraft missile batteries and proximity alerts at the Pentagon. To me this is as important as WTC 7.

This is a very good point. It would seem that the pentagon would be protected. However, we can not prove that it had anti-aircraft missile batteries on 9/11. If anyone can prove it, please do.

The authorities have seemed to covered themselves well on this as can be seen from the following.....

"WASHINGTON – Defense Department officials actually considered a terrorist scenario in which Islamic fundamentalist martyrs crashed planes into the otherwise impregnable Pentagon, but they ruled out countermeasures, such as anti-aircraft batteries and radar, as too costly and too dangerous to surrounding residential areas, a senior Pentagon official specializing in counterterrorism told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview."

"What's more, the airspace over the Pentagon, which is next to Reagan National Airport, is heavy with flight traffic, making engagement of threatening commercial aircraft too risky, the official says."
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24426

Not to mention this...

According to the Defense Department’s book about the Pentagon attack:

"The Pentagon did not have an antiaircraft system on the roof of the building or on the grounds. Even if DPS had received word of an inbound plane, it had no plan to counter a suicide air attack. Had a warning been issued in time, DPS’s only effective response would have been evacuation and dispersal of the building’s occupants.”   page 152
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0160783283/centerforcoop-20

As we know, they didn't sound any alarms or evacuate anybody......

However this little nugget slipped out on this rather interesting article....

"If the airliner had approached much nearer to the White House it might have been shot down by the Secret Service, who are believed to have a battery of ground-to-air Stinger missiles ready to defend the president's home."

"The Pentagon is not similarly defended. "We are an open society," said a military official. "We don't have soldiers positioned on the White House lawn and we don't have the Pentagon ringed with bunkers and tanks."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1340698/Israeli-security-issued-urgent-warning-to-CIA-of-large-scale-terror-attacks.html

If the white house is indeed protected by stinger missiles, those missiles were well within range to take out the aircraft as can be seen here....

Stinger Stats
Here are the stats on the Stinger missile:
Length - 5 feet (1.5 meters)
Diameter - 2.75 inches (7 cm)
Weight - 22 pounds (10 kg)
Weight with launcher - 34.5 pounds (15.2 kg)
Explosives - 2.2 pounds, impact fuze (explodes on contact with target)
Speed - 1,500 mph (2,400 kph, Mach 2)
Altitude Range - Approximately 11,000 feet (3 km)
Distance Range - Approximately 5 miles (8 km)

http://science.howstuffworks.com/stinger3.htm

As mapquest shows to drive from the whitehouse to the pentagon is less than 3 1/2 miles....missiles would not take the bridge..and turns...it would  be a straight shot, so considerably less than 3.5 miles......well within range of these missiles...

Total Estimated Time: 8 minutes
Total Estimated Distance: 3.47 miles

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1a=1600+Pennsylvania+Ave+Nw&1z=20500&2c=Arlington&2s=VA&2a=Army+Navy+Dr+%26+S+Fern+St&2z=22202

Gov. apologists and debunkers will claim this is all Monday morning Quarterbacking, however the fact is the Pentagon was struck nearly an hour after the attacks started giving them plenty of time to protect the nations most important buildings, which you would think would be a no brainer.





Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 11, 2009, 07:05:54 pm
This is your personal crusade, eh?
I do agree, now, the "no plane hit the pentagon" tact is dangerous and could seriously jeopardize the credibility of the movement.    If, indeed, the perpetrators have used the pentagon strike as a psychological operation of doublethink and illusion, it shows a level of sophistication that boggles the mind.   The divulgence of choice information at strategic junctures could derail the very legitimate concerns surrounding the WTC's.  The scrubbing of the crime scene, the lack of record both film, written, and photo has created an environment of speculation.  Where are the plane's chairs?, bodies?, what was in that tarped box?.    Was it flight 77?  So many questions which i think is the safer approach (than claiming no plane) to this subject --  which i believe jimd3100 is highlighting.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on January 11, 2009, 07:09:58 pm
I still believe any attack on the Pentagon was deliberately allowed to proceed, this includes air defences and to say with no pictures is no proof etc is not a way to confirm they wouldn't have them at the worlds premiere building for the most powerful military yet.

There would have to be a final layer of security for the Pentagon. NORAD failed first and are we to believe it was just that easy to hit that building?  :P

 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on January 28, 2009, 12:00:18 pm
I saw a video on youtube which was anchorman and woman talking to a reporter live in New York, after the first plane had hit.

During the conversation, we saw pictures of the second plane hitting, but there was no sound of a plane coming from the live feed in New York.  And the reporter in New York did not seem to know what happened.  The anchorman told him that it was definitely a plane and we definitely saw it, and there was something about his insistence that seemed rehearsed.  But it's all speculation.

As you said, there's no need to go into this, and there's not really much point.  The most likely result of discussing the No Planes theory is to put people off all 9/11 truth, or the entire bigger picture in general (even if it happens to be true).  It is interesting though, that within "the 9/11 truth movement" this theory has essentially been dismissed as disgusting nonsense (or at least it used to be) as opposed to examining the evidence first and then making your decisions based on that.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on January 28, 2009, 12:08:46 pm
*facepalm*

okay explain why people seen a plane hit the towers
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: lovealexjones on January 28, 2009, 12:11:03 pm
i've seen that movie, and yes there seems some media anomalities, but don't start saying that
there wern't no planes, a missile at the pentagon? why not, but the towers were hit by planes
with something on their bellys.
Respect
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: BlueBaron on January 28, 2009, 12:11:13 pm
Planes hit, live with it.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on January 28, 2009, 12:14:19 pm
i dismiss the theories coz plane wreckage was found

Now i guess its possible that plane debris was planted in the tower in advance and exploded out, but then you have the videos...

i find it hard to believe that every single video of the south tower impact was edited including the amateur ones where people are looking out of their window following the plane with their camera and reacting to the impact.

Unless there were plane images but they were holograms...

Which just sounds even more rediculous.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on January 28, 2009, 12:14:46 pm
mixing lies with truth is what disinfo/government plants do and your falling for it
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Phil R. on January 28, 2009, 12:15:10 pm
The quality of live video feeds wasn't that great during broadcast, which might explain the absence of a plane in one or more shots.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Geolibertarian on January 28, 2009, 12:17:13 pm
I'm with Alex on this one: the "no planes" theory was concocted by government disinfo (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556) agents for the express purpose of giving 9/11 truth a bad name.

Note: I'm not saying that anyone who entertains this theory is therefore an agent, just that that's how it originated.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: GoingEtheric on January 28, 2009, 12:19:36 pm
But does that mean the footage we saw was real?
ahh chris, you disappointment me.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: lovealexjones on January 28, 2009, 12:20:44 pm
you got the plane impact damage on the sides of the buildings, and come on,
unless you got some new info on this subject it's best to leave it alone,
though i do respect your deep-digging on the matter.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on January 28, 2009, 12:22:22 pm
I'll say this: I wouldn't put it past them to cover up the entire day with fake footage.
I wouldn't either.
And I wouldn't put it past them to have used "magic" that day - as defined by masonic paedophile and predictive programmer Arthur C. Clarke i.e. science that is not yet understood (or even known about, by the general public).

It was an inside job.  That much is obvious, to those who have assessed the freely available evidence, from before, during and after the day itself.

The occultic fingerprints are too much for some people - the ritual sacrifice of thousands of people inside a giant Jachin and Boaz, and then the Pentagon (the inside of a pentagram) was also involved, although most of the people in there were "protected" - and no planes might be too much for people too.

If there were people in New York who did see planes (which is not the same as people saying they saw planes) and if the live footage can be shown to have been editted, then something strange must have happened.

Another point of interest to me, is that one of the most high profile "9/11 truthers" who went on to talk about the no planes theory, now claims he is the messiah.
http://uk.youtube.com/user/ShaylerTV
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: oyashango on January 28, 2009, 12:24:11 pm
I am glad this subject has come up again. I am still not at peace with the "commerical airline" plane speculation.
Here again, I captured the plane going into the second tower, and it still does not look like a commerical airline.
It looks to me like an auto-piloted figher jet. Can anyone please identify this plane?
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss211/oyashango/secondplane2.jpg)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on January 28, 2009, 12:25:27 pm
I am glad this subject has come up again. I am still not at peace with the "commerical airline" plane speculation.
Here again, I captured the plane going into the second tower, and it still does not look like a commerical airline.
It looks to me like an auto-piloted figher jet. Can anyone please identify this plane?
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss211/oyashango/secondplane2.jpg)

photoshop it looks
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: oyashango on January 28, 2009, 12:27:11 pm
No. This was not photoshop. I captured this from the acutal news footage myself. I enlarged it to see it better.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: lovealexjones on January 28, 2009, 12:28:13 pm
No. This was not photoshop. I captured this from the acutal news footage myself. I enlarged it to see it better.


watch "911 in plane site", the extended version and you'll find out which type of planes
most likely hit the towers.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kingp43 on January 28, 2009, 12:28:28 pm
source of the footage?     :P
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Optimus on January 28, 2009, 12:29:30 pm
Cruise missles have wings, tailwings and look very similiar to planes.

Cruise missile comparison: Note their size to an average man

(http://www.coldwar.org/bcmt/images/images_lg/compcruise-2k.jpg)


757 passenger plane:

(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/jetliner/b757/b757_15.jpg)

There is no similarity or comparison between a cruise missile or passenger plane. People generally recognize a passenger plane when they see one. 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: lovealexjones on January 28, 2009, 12:31:23 pm
can't we cut this crap and go back to the show?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on January 28, 2009, 12:31:44 pm
yeah that looks photoshop
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: oyashango on January 28, 2009, 12:36:47 pm
source of the footage?     :P

I obtained it from old footage that was published on YT two years ago.

9/11 Truth Documentary - Grave Implications
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMfHxoM07YM
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: lovealexjones on January 28, 2009, 12:38:09 pm
Don't suppress information man. If you don't care to discuss, that's cool, but don't suppress information. Nobody knows what really happened or why. Hence, we discuss. We all know Alex's research.. let's look at other peoples conclusions too. Doesn't mean we're saying it's true.


What if the answers are in the middle of it all?


Truth= going where the evidence takes you. Sometimes in circles, sometimes backwards, sometimes back to the beginning. But that's why it's a quest.




i wouldn't have replied less it had been posted by you a well respected member.
Respect
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on January 28, 2009, 12:45:03 pm
I've heard the theory that is was a ritualistic sacrafice too. This information comes from a movie called Spiritworld.
And from the fact that thousands of people died and we were lied to about what happened, many times.

Waco was a ritual sacrifice.  They burned the people alive, and there is footage of some of the ATF men bowing to the flames, apparently - although I haven't seen that.


Really interesting watch at the very least but the info is at 22:00

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9194460464406571758&hl=en

This is a face in the smoke.

(http://hifever.net/smoke_face.jpg)


There are a couple more too:

(http://www.christianmedia.us/images2/FacesSmokeNewJReyes.jpg)

(http://disclose.tv/files/photos/3416a75f4cea910L.jpg)

I know that the second one is taken from the actual footage, because you can make it out yourself just after the second plane hits.

But if the TV footage has been editted, then these could have been added to the footage.  If not, then something else is going on here.


This is a picture of a sculpure by Rudolph Steiner "Ahriman" who is supposedly one of the trinity of Lucifer.

(http://www.starbridge.com.au/images/opt/devil-archetype-ariman.jpg)
The name always brings to mind Averell Harriman, of the Skull and Bones society (among other things).
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: den carts on January 28, 2009, 12:46:49 pm
1. How many millions of people does NY city have to eyewitness?

2. What do you gain from not using planes?

Think Mcfly.

That alone should be enough to put this disinfo in the garbage. The disinfo is so much the better when it can get you to believe something that is outright daft. It discredits you completely.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: uwaf on January 28, 2009, 12:51:23 pm
Hey, Chris, It's sad to see people talking theories down. I've seen a clip from September Clues. The clip that shows the nose of the plane coming out the other side. It's not possible since the nose is thin metal.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: oyashango on January 28, 2009, 12:54:33 pm
I am glad this subject has come up again. I am still not at peace with the "commerical airline" plane speculation.
Here again, I captured the plane going into the second tower, and it still does not look like a commerical airline.
It looks to me like an auto-piloted figher jet. Can anyone please identify this plane?
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss211/oyashango/secondplane2.jpg)

The photo is authentic and so is the footage from which I obtained it. All I am asking is are there any military or skilled, knowledgeable person who can offer some clue as to what type of aircraft this is.
I used to work for the air force international logistic command in Texas, and it looks to me to be one of the older aircraft fighters that I managed.  It is not required that I am believed. Humor me with an intelligent response, please someone?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on January 28, 2009, 12:55:34 pm
1. How many millions of people does NY city have to eyewitness?
The number is irrelevant.

Either they all saw planes, or one or more of them didn't - either way, they certainly didn't see the planes from the official story.

If they did all see planes, that doesn't mean there were planes there - it still leaves the question of whether what they saw was real.

And of course, people who claim to have seen planes may be either lying or mistaken.


2. What do you gain from not using planes?
Reducing the possibility of major failure.


Think Mcfly.
Indeed.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 28, 2009, 12:57:40 pm
I agree with the Bill Cooper quote wholeheartedly.

I believe planes hit both towers that day. The reason behind it is simple.

In original footage you can see clearly a burst of light emit from both planes prior to impact, this I believe would have been pointless to fake, yet it`s clearly there, and in fact has been digitally edited out of later versions. I believe that the bursts of light are missiles to clear the way for the planes, in fact for the first plane, to create a Jumbo sized impact in the building.

I don`t believe the first plane is a Boeing 767, it is definitley smaller than a commercial airliner and sounds like a Cessna. No airliner that has ever flown over my head has ever sounded like a Cessna, and I live right on the flightpath for Liverpool Airport, I hear planes at the rate of one every few minutes, in fact, one just flew overhead, many flying lower than the first plane and its not even close to looking or sounding like one. Yes, I`ve heard the `Planes sound different in a built up area` story, which is true, but I live in a built up area, not in some leafy glade.

I don`t believe they thought anyone would get the first impact on film, but they knew, counted on the second being caught on film. So they used an airliner there, whether it was a Commercial or Military plane I`m not sure. There are enough eyewitness`s that can attest to the 2nd plane. Either way, I believe it is being controlled remotely by the white jet that can be seen flying nearby.

I`ve watched most if not all of the 9/11 videos out there, have got the first strike in high quality mode from a link posted on this forum, however the sound is missing from it for some unknown reason, and I`ve also read a lot of articles about it. It doesn`t matter whether I believe the premis of the video/article, I`ll still view it and, always with a disbelieving eye, or a closed mind.

Things I`ve viewed that changed my idea`s involve, my reaction to titles/propersitions is in speech marks

"Remote Control Planes? WTF?" then I read Flight of the Bumble Planes.

"Nukes used? Get to f***!" then I read, the Finnish Explosive Experts report and another, futher in depth report which someone `thoughtfully` cut n pasted and sent to Chris the other day.

"No plane struck the Pentagon? You are taking the piss" then read several articles on it, the most convincing being "Spot the Jumbo"

All these articles and many, many more are available at http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm

When I say I read them, I don`t mean I skimmed over them, looking for things I could disagree with and therefore dismiss out of hand. I mean I read them, every bit, and any links that they posted to back up their claim. Anything I either disagreed with or couldn`t see (If video), I got a 2nd person to view it to see if they would spot it. I`d give them a brief detail about what they were looking for, such as `Explosive Squibs like these` or `Apparently, there`s a tail of a plane visible in that`.

It was my brother, who was a non believer at the time, who spotted the woman seen clinging to the steell framework in one picture, the tail of a Cessna type plane in another, and even the squibs in a grainy video the first time I watched it. He is no longer a non believer as a result, and goes around showing other people the stuff that convinced him.

The only things I`m sure about from that day are, 2 planes struck the towers, types unknown. The towers were brought down by controlled demolition, devices unknown. Something struck the Pentagon, device unknown. And that the entire thing was planned and staged managed by Dick Cheney and the boys.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Letsbereal on January 28, 2009, 01:01:15 pm
I am glad this subject has come up again. I am still not at peace with the "commerical airline" plane speculation.
Here again, I captured the plane going into the second tower, and it still does not look like a commerical airline.
It looks to me like an auto-piloted figher jet. Can anyone please identify this plane?
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss211/oyashango/secondplane2.jpg)
This is clearly a F-18 Hornet
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2710258975_f6440b5fff.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: BlueBaron on January 28, 2009, 01:05:28 pm
Cruise missles have wings, tailwings and look very similiar to planes.

only 10 times smaller.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: oyashango on January 28, 2009, 01:08:01 pm
This is clearly a F-18 Hornet
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2710258975_f6440b5fff.jpg?v=0)

Thank you. I managed the spare parts for the F-16 and others for Isreal, Saudi, and the U.K., and I have seen so many that I often get confused. But, I knew it looked familair. It took a lot of time to slow motion the footage to capture it just before it hit the second tower. But I did it, and I knew it was not a comerical carrier.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 28, 2009, 01:11:58 pm
Cheers Chris, it took that long to write that there were no replies when I started it, 34 by the time I`d finished lol.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: 911aware on January 28, 2009, 01:15:53 pm
I'm with Alex on this one: the "no planes" theory was concocted by government disinfo (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556) agents for the express purpose of giving 9/11 truth a bad name.

Note: I'm not saying that anyone who entertains this theory is therefore an agent, just that that's how it originated.

now, THAT, i believe.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on January 28, 2009, 01:16:33 pm
the only thing i know for sure about the planes is that regardless of whether or not its possible to pull off a 330 degree downward turn and cruise 6 meters above the ground for half a mile at 500 miles an hour and regardless of whether or not its possible to crash into a 63 meter wide target at 500 miles an hour at a bank angle of 30 degrees ... a bunch of amateurs who could barely fly a small cessna, couldn't possibly have done it.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on January 28, 2009, 01:21:01 pm
First of all, let me say this discussion doesn't really matter. This isn't information I would use to "wake" someone up with. But I feel it can be discussed amongst informed people.

I just watched September Clues again and well, they bring up some interesting points in the film. It really doesn't matter if planes actually hit the towers or not but they raise some interesting points about the footage shown on television.

What are some of your views on this subject? I watched the film with the idea of point out errors in the theory but there were very few that I can find. Some of the interesting things is how CNN put their banner over the plane actually hitting, the black out right at impact on two different shots, the poor quality film, and the weirdest, the 17 second beeps in all of the film counting down to impact. Some of the alleged "animation" does indeed look sloppy.

I can go on and on about errors that I saw in the medias version. The planes hitting at different angles, no plane seen 5 seconds before impact but then the camera zooms in and a plane come out of nowhere into the shot (right at impact)... it's one thing after another really.

So is it possible they used missles?

(http://www.wpclipart.com/armed_services/Navy/slamer_guided_missle.png)



Concerning the moon landing, here is how I feel. I think the entire thing was a hoax. But not because we were trying to beat Russia in the space race or we weren't able to do it, simply because they wanted to cover up the secret space program, funnel a bunch of money into black ops and didn't want to show the public what is really there. So if you take that logic and apply it to 9-11, what do you get?




"Listen to everything. Believe nothing. Until you've researched it for yourself"- Bill Cooper

Dude, why are you determined that I continue to give your movie more credibility ;)

Bill Cooper would be one of the first to bash this disinfo.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 28, 2009, 01:24:24 pm
I'm reading the link you posted ;). That's why I post this kind of stuff... get information flowing and open up new doors and ideas!

Cheers!  8)

Cool, that`s why I posted it.

It`s a good read, I was telling people a year ago that there was a recession coming because of an article over there. Of course, I got laughed at and called a `Tin Foil Hat Wearer` for it, and of course, those people were correct because there isn`t currently one going on....

 :D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: oyashango on January 28, 2009, 02:00:39 pm
Thank you. I managed the spare parts for the F-16 and others for Isreal, Saudi, and the U.K., and I have seen so many that I often get confused. But, I knew it looked familair. It took a lot of time to slow motion the footage to capture it just before it hit the second tower. But I did it, and I knew it was not a comerical carrier.

Now, here are the two other videos that I viewed as well. Now, notice how the plane models seem to change. I am not sure if this is the footage for the first plane that hit. But, definitely, the second film shows the F-18 fighter plane.  Now, if this is so, what happened to the alledged airline that they claim hit the second tower?  If what I have captured is actually the F-18, this I believe, sheds an entirely different light on the many lies the state department has told the public. This involves the pentagon and the air command directly. Certainly they are not going to tell us these "terrorists" broke in a secured air base and high-jacked it.
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v15711469MdGYHa29?rank=5&jsonParams=%7B%22numResults%22%3A20%2C%22rlmin%22%3A0%2C%22query%22%3A%22911+new+footage%22%2C%22rlmax%22%3Anull%2C%22veohOnly%22%3Atrue%2C%22order%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22range%22%3A%22a%22%2C%22sId%22%3A%22156247381146760737%22%7D&searchId=156247381146760737&rank=6

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v15991613wDk9Zgkf?rank=7&jsonParams=%7B%22numResults%22%3A20%2C%22rlmin%22%3A0%2C%22query%22%3A%22911+new+footage%22%2C%22rlmax%22%3Anull%2C%22veohOnly%22%3Atrue%2C%22order%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22range%22%3A%22a%22%2C%22sId%22%3A%22156247381146760737%22%7D&searchId=156247381146760737&rank=8
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on January 28, 2009, 02:24:56 pm

Yea, but he would listen though right? Consider the info and research it first.  8)

And if you need to move the thread it's cool man :). I just wanted to get some perspectives on this info before I go researching it for myself.

Many here have researched it including AJ and Paul Watson.

It is disinfo.

There are many threads in this forum dealing with it.  You may want to search using the "advanced search button" if you wish to see what PP forum members have posted about it.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on January 28, 2009, 02:26:19 pm
this video debunks the nose in nose out stuff

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d1V7TovxzBc

check out the comments ... all the no-planers have agressively marked the comments from the no-plane debunkers as spam and lowered their rank.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: clearmyst on January 28, 2009, 07:26:57 pm
I've heard the theory that is was a ritualistic sacrafice too. This information comes from a movie called Spiritworld. Really interesting watch at the very least but the info is at 22:00

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9194460464406571758&hl=en

This is a face in the smoke.

(http://hifever.net/smoke_face.jpg)

This is a picture of a sculpure by Rudolph Steiner "Ahriman" who is supposedly one of the trinity of Lucifer.

(http://www.starbridge.com.au/images/opt/devil-archetype-ariman.jpg)

I have noticed the ritual aspect as well.
Hoagland attributes it to a symbolic gesture from the revitilized assasins against the modern templar/freemasonic west.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm

I think its interesting to look into but I subscribe that the image twice seen was Pan(notice the beard and horns)
(http://septterror.tripod.com/images/popcult/apsatanface.jpg)
(http://spells-witchcraft.org/Pictures-of-Goddesses-Gods/pan.jpg)
 and keep in mind that the christian depiction of satan is based largely upon Pan.
Remember he is the god that gave us the word "Panic" after the state of fear and trepidation that he would inspire sudden fear or lonesomness.
Be sure to delve into the tradition of pan in ancient phallic worship and the target twin towers of jachin and boaz wil start to make sense.
Pan was also known as the pied piper...

Indeed on 9/11 the ritual of Pan created a mass panic and one know needs to figure out just who/what the projected panic created is being used to power?
*Hint*
*Hint*
The brightest amongst the night sky.

There's lots more on this account to look into,
we've just scratched the surface on the operational aspects of 9/11 being and inside job with even less devoted to its esoteric.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: ES on January 28, 2009, 09:14:22 pm
I obtained it from old footage that was published on YT two years ago.

9/11 Truth Documentary - Grave Implications
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMfHxoM07YM

So you captured a jet fighter going into wtc and just decided to wait till someone brought no planes up to tell anybody? Ok.  ::) So was this the first or second strike. I'd like to compare the footage to see if I can find the big rectangular shadow on the building that is shown in your picture.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Neco on January 29, 2009, 01:41:20 am
Back to the topic of the original poster... Although I have heard theories about the planes being flown into the WTC being remotely controlled, I have never before seen that sort of "Lazer Targeting" that is implied in that video. 

It seems rather suspicious to me and more of a sort of dis-info agent then any real evidence. 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 29, 2009, 05:29:04 pm
No, exposing the truth of 9/11 is. I hope you don't mind me sharing my findings for others to be aware of and agree with or refute.
Listened to Hoffmann on Wolsey's show, a little dated, but quite poignant as far as our past exchanges have gone.  I have been looking at 911 for a couple of years and much more so lately yet and have come to a revalation that one can be easily led astray.  This dog and pony disinfo/misinfo show that hoffman was mentioning is mitigating the movements impact.  It is insidiously effective how can it be combatted except on this small scale level.  Where someone who is curious and smart doesn't get discouraged with all the window dressing -- any sentient being would believe that planes hit the wtc but I still dont know what happened at the pentagon and will reserve judgement (ie I am not convinced it was a missile any longer and feel this is a distraction from the main integral issue).
 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 29, 2009, 06:27:51 pm
The truth is, it doesn`t matter what any of us believe, it`s what can be proven that counts.

Sometimes, we all forget that.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 29, 2009, 06:43:10 pm
The truth is, it doesn`t matter what any of us believe, it`s what can be proven that counts.

Sometimes, we all forget that.
Yes I agree.  It has taken me a long time to realize the amount of pulp infecting this movement -- how bout you? 
My point is dismiss those with weak arguments whether innocent or otherwise and hoist those with credibility-- Steven Jones, hoffman, gage.  Get focussed and let the mediocrity fall or be forced to the wayside (fetzer, wood, siegel).
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on January 29, 2009, 07:42:46 pm
I came to that realisation when I first read about WTC7. I didn`t so much realise it, as read it in the article and realise it was correct lol.

I`ve argued on another forum will non believers, and one of my staunchest allies was a guy with a differing opinion in 9/11, I`m a MIHOP (Made It Happen On Purpose) believer, and he was a LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) believer, but we never argued about our differences in belief, never even considered it tbh, we concentrated on the stuff we agreed on. Whenever people tried to get us to argue over our differences in belief we would just say that we understood why we each had differing views, but we both knew we were after the same goal, the truth, so our differences didn`t matter.

I believe that if someone posts Disinfo, it is generally better to let one or two people call it out, post something that proves your arguement and leave it at that. Rather than have everyone all bounce in with an opinion, as it`s this part that causes the splits and divisions among mostly similarly minded people, particularly when the guy posting the article isn`t actually a Disinfo Artist, just someone who has fallen for it.

I read a good piece by John Kaminski last night about it funnily enough, I`ll dig it out.

http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/04/0707-avalanche.html

I read stuff on here that I disagree with all time, I don`t post up that it`s disinfo, and that the person posting it is a disinfo artist. But some people on here can be very dismissive of other peoples opinions on the matter, which results in flame war. Pointless, and one of the desired results of disinfo. I`m not talking about Sane oor the other Mods there either, me and Sane have managed to have civil disagreements of opinion over several posts in a thread, neither has called the other out as a troll or disinfo artist for having a different viewpoint.

I agree about hoisting up the credible arguements, particularly the works of Jones et al, because they  know they`re stuff, it is scientifically provable/proven, but even the incredible has to be looked at, albeit with a critical eye. I`m trying to get a post up I made the other day about looking into everything and believing nothing, but the other page won`t load up Prison Planet Forum.

*edit Got it

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=82578.msg471203#msg471203

*back to original post

Like you, I believe that it wasn`t a 757 that hit the Pentagon, but I`m not about to get into a fight with anyone who believes otherwise because neither of us can prove our arguement. Like I said about the use of mini nukes, the guy makes a good case for it, but ultimately that doesn`t matter because we cant prove that either, the steel is long gone and the type of bomb he`s claiming could have been used doesn`t show on a Geiger Counter. That is how I would have responded to the post.

When I first started researching 9/11 I, like most people, I concentrated on the Towers, who wouldn`t?. It was the article I read about WTC7 that changed my mind. As I said in my previous post, my own viewpoint on what actually happened that day doesn`t matter, it`s what we can prove that does.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on January 30, 2009, 11:56:47 am
I will check out the links you have posted.
It is all well and good to discuss/argue/berate in the environment of these forums but if this movement is going to have a chance it must galvanize into a cohesive spear point.  To have morons spouting about no plane video trickery dilutes the effectiveness of the real argument and its evidence as laid out by real people.  For instance if someone who is intelligent and inquisitive sees or hears two "experts" up on stage or on the radio or on the internet bickering about nukes/holograms etc it looks like chicanery.  Yet in reality one has some well grounded substantive evidence and the other is in my opinion both morally and intellectually corrupt.
I think the proof is there that no nuke was used --- Jones is a nuclear physicist who pointed out the cars tires weren't fried apparently they would have been in a nuke attack
a lot of this has been studied and proven Thermite fits the bill on all counts and is not disproven by anybody -- not to mention being found raw
hear is the link for the hoffman talk which expresses what i am trying to say more acutely

http://cdn2.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_hoffman.mp3?nvb=20090130171447&nva=20090131172447&t=0512947a7929b9a5b5dfa (http://cdn2.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_hoffman.mp3?nvb=20090130171447&nva=20090131172447&t=0512947a7929b9a5b5dfa)

Btw i have modified my thinking on the pentagon since digging a little deeper with jimd's guiding posts -- it is now modified to "I dont know."  I would like to talk about receptivity to rational ideas.  For me it seems that most minds are made up before they post regardless of evidence presented.  I have contributed to discussions about chomsky being an agent for the NWO.  This is fundamentally "dumb as rocks" and battles for the most affected by fluoride award with the no planers.  Unlike jimd I do not have the patience engaging in long  and usually unwinnable arguments with people when your position is more advanced and justified than the drivel being presented by others.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Sapient on February 01, 2009, 07:50:28 am
I live in NYC.
You can not see airplanes with all the tall buildings.
The sound is echoed.

And the people are liars.   They hear a sound, think
it is a plane, see the plane on TV,  not for real.

They do not know reality.  I talk to people here and
there, it is true, they think TV is reality,  they like to
brag. 

CAN ONE PERSON AFTER 7 YEARS TELL ME THEY SEEN A PLANE???

They tell me they seen a plane hit the pentagon,  building 7, etc. 

Has ANYONE SEEN A PLANE FOR REAL???

I have been right here in NYC every since 911. 

Yes I am serious,  I never met anyone who seen a plane.
They really think TV is real,  tell me to my face that you
seen a plane.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: nycflag on February 01, 2009, 08:01:05 am
I seen with my own eyes the 2nd plane hit.  I also worked at ground zero for 3 weeks.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Sapient on February 01, 2009, 08:13:23 am
I believe you,  I am not here to argue.

But,  most people who tell me they seen a plane, also told
me that there was a plane in Pennsylvania, a plane for the
pentagon.  I know there were no planes at those places, despite
the movie 93.

I have been hearing stupidity for years, now I would like to
talk straight.  If it was an airplane, it was NOT a commercial plane.
The planes were switched when they disappeared over a military base.
Then either a military plane or missile completed the run to the building.
With the WINGS appearing to go into the building like a hot knife into butter.
That was not a commercial aircraft.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Doctor No NWO on February 01, 2009, 09:29:01 am
I seen with my own eyes the 2nd plane hit.  I also worked at ground zero for 3 weeks.
I'm a former New Yorker myself & what pisses me off is Good Americans are now dead because of a US Government Staged terrorist attack on the WTC...
 (Yes 9/11 was an Inside Job)
Are we any closer to bringing the US Government terrorists & those Co Ops  involved in orchestrating the 9/11 attacks on the WTC to face Justice?
That is what  I believe people should be totally focused on  8)
No rest for the wicked & let them evil bastards know (we the people) are not letting go on this diabolical criminal act they committed on 9/11

We the people stand to prosecute all involved in the 9/11 US Government terrorist orchestrated attacks on the WTC
These evil US government criminals will face  prosecutions for the Murder of innocent American lives who where Murdered in cold blood by the US Government  on 9/11.

All evil has to do to win is good people do nothing
Stand strong & we the people will win  ;)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on February 03, 2009, 05:16:06 am
Exactly

Focus on the hard evidence which is preposterous enough and tough for average intelligent people to digest.  AND  leave the fantasy notions ie no-planes, pod, DEW's on the cutting floor where it belongs.  I would suggest ignoring the Pentagon until the ball gets rolling through the court system.  Credibility is key.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: BlueBaron on February 04, 2009, 02:01:52 pm
Yeah this movie bends no-planers over a barrel and has no mercy.  Too bad the no-plane idea was spread around so effectively to media people early on.  That "This is an orange" 2 minute video is great too, thanks for sharing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&q=WTC7+-+This+is+an+Orange&ei=I14PSMGjL6iO4wL_wbWoBA&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&q=WTC7+-+This+is+an+Orange&ei=I14PSMGjL6iO4wL_wbWoBA&hl=en)

You guys think you can fool me with double think saying that piece of fruit is an Apple when it's clear to those of us in the know that it's a Pear.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Swmorgan77 on February 11, 2009, 08:45:28 am
Here's a link for my video 9/11 Coincidence theory http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5236492071990669218&ei=_uOSSYXpDIaIqQO2kYmPDQ&q=911+coincidence+theory. 

I've shipped out about 100 of these since I made it and folks seem to like it for giving to friends because it is so calm and non-sensational, though honestly its pretty boring :)

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 23, 2009, 10:11:42 am
First off, let me preface this by saying that if you haven't realized that CNN, Fox, ABC, and CBS put up fake news reports on 9/11, then please view "September clues" on Google video or you tube, which is an excellent documentary all about the fake videos major media outlets ran on 9/11.

Digging even deeper into this phenomenon, I have uncovered analysis done by fellow patriots on you tube showing how many news reports were actually done in front of a blue screen, by reporters pretending to be "on the scene."  It's obvious by the wording these reporters use that many of the reports had been filmed prior to 9/11.

For example, in the following clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTOaYSa37bY&feature=channel_page
and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL6aqNTLSFw&feature=channel_page reporters have to be told where to look, which would never happen in a real live shot.

Then, there are the obvious dubbing videos where the media is intentionally trying to hide the fact that the planes were def not as advertised.  I don't want to get into NPT here, because that is all circumstantial and I have seen many people get attacked for having those beliefs.  I, personally, do not believe 1 word of the official story.  I think the planes were military issue, and were auto-piloted into the towers, there prolly weren't any hi-jackers at all.  Many of the maneuvers that the supposed "jumbo jets" made were beyond the skill of an experienced pilot, which none of the hi-jackers even were.


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: davidnay on February 23, 2009, 10:26:49 am
Those 2 videos don't prove anything at all. All they accomplish is to futher discredit the 9/11 truth movement.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: dissident99 on February 23, 2009, 10:33:59 am
I am a No-Planer too .. But it does NOT Matter. What mattes is that it was FAKE. A False Flag Event destined to push the
Sheeple onto a Problem-Reaction-Solution Scenario to pass the Patriot Act and others. That is what you concentrate on.
Do not use this tactic with the sheeple, It is way out there, it defies all common sense for the Sheeple. Just concentrate on showing them the Issue as a Whole.

Either push "Wake Up Call" or "David Icke - Big Brother, The Big Picture"

Wake Up Call
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3149990642797444340&ei=3c6iSf7kA4rEqQL95LS-CQ&q=wake+up+call (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3149990642797444340&ei=3c6iSf7kA4rEqQL95LS-CQ&q=wake+up+call)

David Icke - Big Brother, The Big Picture
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4788106431016278751&ei=Bs-iSfvyBZPiqQLMv_miBw&q=big+brother+the+big+picture (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4788106431016278751&ei=Bs-iSfvyBZPiqQLMv_miBw&q=big+brother+the+big+picture)

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 23, 2009, 10:34:37 am
Those 2 videos don't prove anything at all. All they accomplish is to futher discredit the 9/11 truth movement.

How so?  You don't think the media was complicit at all on 9/11?  How about the fact that they were reporting Osama was the culprit responsible for the attacks within hours of the attack?

And how does this discredit the 911 truth movement?  
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: davidnay on February 23, 2009, 10:44:50 am
How so?  You don't think the media was complicit at all on 9/11?  How about the fact that they were reporting Osama was the culprit responsible for the attacks within hours of the attack?

And how does this discredit the 911 truth movement?  

I do believe the media was complicit. As one example- the fact that they reported WTC7 falling before it actually did shows that. But in regards to those 2 videos, on their own merit they prove nothing. He may indeed have been standing in front of a blue screen but the videos don't show any evidence to support that. And even if he was standing in front of a blue screen all that proves is TV trickery but it doesn't prove the media to be complicit in 9/11. So in the end those videos only serve to marginalize the 9/11 truth movement as people who believe anything without real proof.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 23, 2009, 10:49:34 am
I do believe the media was complicit. As one example- the fact that they reported WTC7 falling before it actually did shows that. But in regards to those 2 videos, on their own merit they prove nothing. He may indeed have been standing in front of a blue screen but the videos don't show any evidence to support that. And even if he was standing in front of a blue screen all that proves is TV trickery but it doesn't prove the media to be complicit in 9/11. So in the end those videos only serve to marginalize the 9/11 truth movement as people who believe anything without real proof.


Very true, that's why in my original post I pointed out that all this evidence is circumstantial.  But, seeing as Ghoul-liani shipped all the WTC steel to China within weeks of the collapse, hard evidence is going to be next to impossible to come by.

These videos were just a small example of how the media was blatantly lieing in almost every report.  I have seen clips where victims that were interviewed are shown to be obvious psy-op CIA plants, there to spread the official story at the jump.

I have heard from unconfirmed sources that the video feeds on 9/11 news channels all went through 1 major hub, and they all got their pictures from there or something along those lines.  Has anyone heard anything similar to that?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on February 23, 2009, 10:52:30 am
no plane theory in esscence thought up by co intel...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: dissident99 on February 23, 2009, 11:04:33 am
Ouch .. I guess I will rethink my theory then if it will make it seem that I am on the bad side.

The reason why I said so is because the second Plane could not possible get in, traverse the building and come out the other side.

But that is my view, I don't want to impose that on anybody.
 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 23, 2009, 11:15:58 am
Ouch .. I guess I will rethink my theory then if it will make it seem that I am on the bad side.

The reason why I said so is because the second Plane could not possible get in, traverse the building and come out the other side.

But that is my view, I don't want to impose that on anybody.
 

Same here, I'm not trying to impose my beliefs, but that doesn't change them.  How do you feel about the video of the plan "melting" into the 2nd WTC building?  Here is a link to the video.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8heUJdnVbEo

Anyone that knows anything about physics will tell you this is physically impossible.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: dissident99 on February 23, 2009, 11:28:27 am
Again. IMHO It does not matter, False Flag. Period. Tell everybody it was Fake not It was made with video tricks. You will already be pushing your credibility, perhaps 60% of the country believe it was all real and the government had no clue.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: blackturtle.us on February 23, 2009, 11:30:06 am
People who followed the Georgian aggression in South Ossetia last summer closely are well aware that the major news outlets engaged in an active cover up to attempt to obscure the fact that Georgia instigated the whole thing. Eventually they fessed up in the face of over-whelming evidence, but they did so in a low key manner when compared to the way they provided misinformation early on. Russia was put in a situation where it had no choice but to use military means of solving a problem. Western news sources, however, went out of the way to insinuate and to suggest that Russia instigated the attack when it was Georgia that killed hundreds including Russian peace keepers stationed in South Ossetia in accordance with a treaty agreed to in the 1990s by Georgia. It's important not to trust western news sources as 100% credible!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 23, 2009, 11:41:41 am
People who followed the Georgian aggression in South Ossetia last summer closely are well aware that the major news outlets engaged in an active cover up to attempt to obscure the fact that Georgia instigated the whole thing. Eventually they fessed up in the face of over-whelming evidence, but they did so in a low key manner when compared to the way they provided misinformation early on. Russia was put in a situation where it had no choice but to use military means of solving a problem. Western news sources, however, went out of the way to insinuate and to suggest that Russia instigated the attack when it was Georgia that killed hundreds including Russian peace keepers stationed in South Ossetia in accordance with a treaty agreed to in the 1990s by Georgia. It's important not to trust western news sources as 100% credible!

Yes, I remember when this was going down, I was really concerned WW3 was comming.  I mean anytime you hear the words "Russia" and "attack" it's never good.  But ya, you're absolutely correct turtle, the "news" (if you can even call it that) was so biased that they were actually reporting false information! 

That's the main reason for this post.  It is my belief that 9/11 set the precedent for completely fake news reporting.  If you watch news clips from the early 90's and watch news clips today, they are so different its not even funny!  Who, what, when, where, why, and how and the news clip is over in the 90's.  Today's news is filled with so much fluff that doesn't even matter, and any time an important issue does somehow arise, the talking heads simply argue with eachother rather than the actual issue.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 23, 2009, 12:35:13 pm
shameless bump
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: co-intel on February 23, 2009, 02:15:36 pm
Quote
no plane theory in esscence thought up by co intel...

hmmm, how do you know?
where's your evidence?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 23, 2009, 02:37:24 pm
hmmm, how do you know?
where's your evidence?

exactly.  All I know is, the news clips of planes melting into the twin towers, along with planes dive bombing over 500 ft in 2 seconds prove the fakeness of tv on 9/11.

Now, it begs the question, if the news stations did show fake news clips, what exactly were they trying to hide?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on February 24, 2009, 05:59:32 am
damn i hate those no plae trolls... you can push them into their BS like some dog a 100 times they wont learn. they have no clue about basic physics. they cant see the difference between camera angles and even a moving antenna on a car is a omfg wtf is that anomaly. they dont prove anything. dont even try to verify their theories or try to debunk them... because thats what real scientists do. they dont just invent some theory and put it in as absolute truth (like many so called scientists are catually doing) they are trying to basicly debunk their theory to see if it can hold up. the no planers cant hold up anything except stupid signs to discredit the whole movement.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 10:06:47 am
First, I want to preface this by saying that I am a firm believer in NPT [No Plane Theory].

It is my belief that military aircraft and/or missiles hit the twin towers on 9/11 and the MSM [Main Stream Media] covered it up by splicing in footage of planes.


*AIRPLANE PARTS*



Claim: Airplane wreckage proves planes hit the towers.

FACT: The available evidence does not add up.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/plane-parts-scaffolding.jpg)

As you can clearly see, these engine parts did NOT come from a Boeing 767 aircraft.  To me, it looks like the engine for a cruise missile, seen here:

(http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/700kg-turbofan-engine.jpg)


*TV NETWORKS & MILITARY PSYOPS CONNECTION*



Claim: Just the idea the TV Networks and military would work together to deceive the public is wacky cookoo!

FACT: The TV Networks/Military/PSYOPS connection was reported by the media before 9/11.

*TV-FAKERY*


Claim: Just the idea the TV Networks would broadcast fake footage is nutcase kooky!

FACT: This technology was reported in the media before 9/11 as being available by TV Networks and the military for the purpose of altering world politics.

Isaac Newton’s Third Law of Motion: “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.”

High school physics states that the force an airplane exerts on a building is the same as the force a building exerts on an airplane.  Now check out these images, and ask yourself, do they match up with Newton's third law of motion?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/steel-concrete-aluminum-plastic.jpg)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/plane-cartoon-cutouts.jpg)

Even Peter Jennings knew the 9/11 airplane video was fake. Note his nervousness and word fumbling when ABC plays this amateur clip back in slow motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCDu2V3yjS4

As retired Aerospace Engineer Joseph Keith says: "The video is phony because airliners don’t meld into steel and concrete buildings, they crash against them!"

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&..._planer_resigns

Probably the most damning evidence can be seen with Fox 5's infamous "Nose out" video
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/fox5jo0.gif)

This is my personal favorite.  Check out CNN's cartoon plane  ;D
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/hezarkhanicumv3.gif)

A real plane would crash against the building.  The tail should of ripped off, not melted into the building

*DEBUNKED?*



Claim: TV-Fakery has been debunked time and time again.

FACT:The violation of Newton’s Laws of Motion has never been explained.

Several “papers” claiming to debunk TV-Fakery have surfaced. However, not one of them approaches the obvious violation of Newton’s Laws regarding an aluminum airplane with a plastic nosecone gliding through a steel/concrete building. Instead, these strawman papers attempt to discredit TV-Fakery by “explaining away” a few points. Neither Steven Jones nor anyone in his team has ever addressed Newton’s Laws as it applies to TV-Fakery. (I wonder why…)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 28, 2009, 10:12:34 am
First, I want to preface this by saying that I am a firm believer in NPT [No Plane Theory].

It is my belief that military aircraft and/or missiles hit the twin towers on 9/11 and the MSM [Main Stream Media] covered it up by splicing in footage of planes.


*AIRPLANE PARTS*



Claim: Airplane wreckage proves planes hit the towers.

FACT: The available evidence does not add up.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/plane-parts-scaffolding.jpg)

As you can clearly see, these engine parts did NOT come from a Boeing 767 aircraft.  To me, it looks like the engine for a cruise missile, seen here:

(http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/700kg-turbofan-engine.jpg)


*TV NETWORKS & MILITARY PSYOPS CONNECTION*



Claim: Just the idea the TV Networks and military would work together to deceive the public is wacky cookoo!

FACT: The TV Networks/Military/PSYOPS connection was reported by the media before 9/11.

*TV-FAKERY*


Claim: Just the idea the TV Networks would broadcast fake footage is nutcase kooky!

FACT: This technology was reported in the media before 9/11 as being available by TV Networks and the military for the purpose of altering world politics.

Isaac Newton’s Third Law of Motion: “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.”

High school physics states that the force an airplane exerts on a building is the same as the force a building exerts on an airplane.  Now check out these images, and ask yourself, do they match up with Newton's third law of motion?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/steel-concrete-aluminum-plastic.jpg)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/plane-cartoon-cutouts.jpg)

Even Peter Jennings knew the 9/11 airplane video was fake. Note his nervousness and word fumbling when ABC plays this amateur clip back in slow motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCDu2V3yjS4

As retired Aerospace Engineer Joseph Keith says: "The video is phony because airliners don’t meld into steel and concrete buildings, they crash against them!"

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&..._planer_resigns

Probably the most damning evidence can be seen with Fox 5's infamous "Nose out" video
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/fox5jo0.gif)

This is my personal favorite.  Check out CNN's cartoon plane  ;D
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/hezarkhanicumv3.gif)

A real plane would crash against the building.  The tail should of ripped off, not melted into the building

*DEBUNKED?*



Claim: TV-Fakery has been debunked time and time again.

FACT:The violation of Newton’s Laws of Motion has never been explained.

Several “papers” claiming to debunk TV-Fakery have surfaced. However, not one of them approaches the obvious violation of Newton’s Laws regarding an aluminum airplane with a plastic nosecone gliding through a steel/concrete building. Instead, these strawman papers attempt to discredit TV-Fakery by “explaining away” a few points. Neither Steven Jones nor anyone in his team has ever addressed Newton’s Laws as it applies to TV-Fakery. (I wonder why…)


I love the road runner silhouette.  Amazing fact based research, wow.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 10:15:06 am

I love the road runner silhouette.  Amazing fact based research, wow.

heh yah that was my personal favorite too.  It really helps put things in perspective.  Every time I look at old newscasts of 9/11 they just look faker and faker.  Now that technology and mainly, CGI is getting to the level it's at, one can really see the forgeries attempted by the MSM.

Everything is comming out now
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xfahctor on February 28, 2009, 10:16:04 am
"High school physics states that the force an airplane exerts on a building is the same as the force a building exerts on an airplane."
 except that the building wasn't traveling at several hundred miles an hour.
Lets extrapolate, Would you apply the same laws to a bullet and a person? A bullet simply dropped on a person from a few feet would simply annoy them. That same bullet traveling at high velocity takes half their head off.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 28, 2009, 10:18:12 am
heh yah that was my personal favorite too.  It really helps put things in perspective.  Every time I look at old newscasts of 9/11 they just look faker and faker.  Now that technology and mainly, CGI is getting to the level it's at, one can really see the forgeries attempted by the MSM.

Everything is comming out now

yup it sure is.  like that many of the pushers of the no-plane theory are also zionisist disinfo artists (not saying that you are, you seem to have innocently fallen into this seemingly amazing epiphany that will leave you disillusioned in the end).  in any case since this has been debunked ad nauseum for over a year, unless you got some new evidence (this is all old), it kinda sounds like a broken record.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dok on February 28, 2009, 10:18:35 am
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/fox5jo0.gif)

This one always gets me, as right before this shot the camera pans wide right, and would have caught the plane coming in from a distance. Then they close up on the building and capture the impact.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 10:19:29 am
"High school physics states that the force an airplane exerts on a building is the same as the force a building exerts on an airplane."
 except that the building wasn't traveling at several hundred miles an hour.
Lets extrapolate, Would you apply the same laws to a bullet and a person? A bullet simply dropped on a person from a few feet would simply annoy them. That same bullet traveling at high velocity takes half their head off.

You obviously don't understand basic physics.  The buildilng doesn't have to be traveling at several hundred miles an hour.  When two objects collide, both objects impact eachother with equal force.  That's Newton's law.  

For example, if I drive a car into a brick wall at 90mph, the wall hits the car at 90mph, just as the car hits the wall.  It's same force distributed both ways.

If a plane really hit the towers, it would of crumpled and fallen, not fused with the building.  What we have here is an obvious forgery.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 28, 2009, 10:21:44 am
You obviously don't understand basic physics.  The buildilng doesn't have to be traveling at several hundred miles an hour.  When two objects collide, both objects impact eachother with equal force.  That's Newton's law.  

For example, if I drive a car into a brick wall at 90mph, the wall hits the car at 90mph, just as the car hits the wall.  It's same force distributed both ways.

If a plane really hit the towers, it would of crumpled and fallen, not fused with the building.  What we have here is an obvious forgery.

By the way. Wouldn't a military plane also be a plane?  How would you tell the difference?  I mean an AWACS plane is a 747 with a big radar on top.  It is a "military" plane.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 10:22:04 am
yup it sure is.  like that many of the pushers of the no-plane theory are also zionisist disinfo artists (not saying that you are, you seem to have innocently fallen into this seemingly amazing epiphany that will leave you disillusioned in the end).  in any case since this has been debunked ad nauseum for over a year, unless you got some new evidence (this is all old), it kinda sounds like a broken record.

I don't see how this has been debunked.  No one has shown me how Newton's law of motion is not violated by the news clips I posted.

A plane can't melt into a building, jsut like a building can't fall at free fall speed.

I don't know what happened on 9/11, but I don't believe 1 word of the official story.  IF they say 2 planes hit the building, I think it was 2 missiles.  If they say hijackers, I think autopilot.  If they say box cutters, I think lasers from satellites orbiting in space.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 10:23:49 am
By the way. Wouldn't a military plane also be a plane?  How would you tell the difference?  I mean an AWACS plane is a 747 with a big radar on top.  It is a "military" plane.

Indeed it would.  My version of NPT is just that no huge, civilian, jumbo jet crashed into the twin towers.  I believe a rigged military type jet or cruise missile was used, and the MSM had to cover it up, because that woulda revealed an inside job.

Also prolly why many reports of white military aircraft circling the twin towers and pentagon were given.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 10:26:31 am
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/fox5jo0.gif)

This one always gets me, as right before this shot the camera pans wide right, and would have caught the plane coming in from a distance. Then they close up on the building and capture the impact.

What are your feelings on npt dok? 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xfahctor on February 28, 2009, 10:27:46 am
You obviously don't understand basic physics.  The buildilng doesn't have to be traveling at several hundred miles an hour.  When two objects collide, both objects impact eachother with equal force.  That's Newton's law.  

For example, if I drive a car into a brick wall at 90mph, the wall hits the car at 90mph, just as the car hits the wall.  It's same force distributed both ways.

If a plane really hit the towers, it would of crumpled and fallen, not fused with the building.  What we have here is an obvious forgery.
First, it is newton's laws of motion not physics
The three laws read as follows
1. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.
2. The relationship between an object's mass "m", its acceleration "a", and the applied force "F" is "F = ma". (Acceleration and force are vectors. In this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector.)
3. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

 Again, the bullet example, throw a bullet at the building, it will simply bounce off. Fire a bullet at the same building from a gun and it leaves a hole.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 10:32:32 am
First, it is newton's laws of motion not physics
The three laws read as follows
1. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.
2. The relationship between an object's mass "m", its acceleration "a", and the applied force "F" is "F = ma". (Acceleration and force are vectors. In this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector.)
3. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

 Again, the bullet example, throw a bullet at the building, it will simply bounce off. Fire a bullet at the same building from a gun and it leaves a hole.

I see what you're getting at, but we're not talking about a bullet here.  A plane is made out of aluminum, a very soft metal.  There is no way that it could of plowed through the reinforced Steel grid that made up the outside of the twin towers. 

Look at the CNN Clip again.  See how the plan effortlessly "fuses" with the WTC building.  That is simply not physically possible.  It should of bounced off the building at the very least.  NO debris falls to the ground, the entire plane is swallowed by the building.

Again, I don't know what happened on 9/11, I just know this video is fake.  And if this video is fake, it means they were trying to hide something.

What that "something" is, I have my speculations, but that's all they are.  I personally believe advanced military technology was used on 9/11, things we don't even know about.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xfahctor on February 28, 2009, 10:34:47 am
I see what you're getting at, but we're not talking about a bullet here.  A plane is made out of aluminum, a very soft metal.  There is no way that it could of plowed through the reinforced Steel grid that made up the outside of the twin towers. 

Look at the CNN Clip again.  See how the plan effortlessly "fuses" with the WTC building.  That is simply not physically possible.  It should of bounced off the building at the very least.  NO debris falls to the ground, the entire plane is swallowed by the building.

Again, I don't know what happened on 9/11, I just know this video is fake.  And if this video is fake, it means they were trying to hide something.

What that "something" is, I have my speculations, but that's all they are.  I personally believe advanced military technology was used on 9/11, things we don't even know about.
and a bullet is made out of an even softer metal, lead is not a hard metal at all.  it's not about how hard the metal is, it is about how fast that object is traveling.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 10:44:02 am
and a bullet is made out of an even softer metal, lead is not a hard metal at all.  it's not about how hard the metal is, it is about how fast that object is traveling.

Yes, but once a bullet hits bone, it becomes damaged and smashed.  Such as seen here:
(http://www.gunblast.com/images/CastPerf/Mvc-018f.jpg)
The bullet on the right was fired at a rock.  It did not go through the rock, but smashed and bounced off of it.  That's my whole point.  The plane shouldn't go through the WTC building, but smash and bounce off.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on February 28, 2009, 10:44:20 am
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/fox5jo0.gif)

This one always gets me, as right before this shot the camera pans wide right, and would have caught the plane coming in from a distance. Then they close up on the building and capture the impact.

Dude if you put as much time into researching 9/11 as you do the bible you would know Ace Baker is a f**king fraud.. his whole premise is based on a shitty video that wasn't even original resolution archive footage, it was from a VHS duplicate. And the cameras used weren't designed as hi-def capturing devices rather ones that captured and streamed the live broadcast from a helicopter. So they took an already poor-quality video, made it even poorer by running it through a VHS and then based their whole 'investigation' on evidence that was flimsier than toilet paper.. and that's all Baker's theories are.. toilet paper. Only just worthy of wiping your ass on.

This WTC no-plane stuff is utter bullshit, stop believing this crap. All it does is discredit the truth movement... nothing more nothing less.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 28, 2009, 10:45:21 am
I don't see how this has been debunked.  No one has shown me how Newton's law of motion is not violated by the news clips I posted.

A plane can't melt into a building, jsut like a building can't fall at free fall speed.

I don't know what happened on 9/11, but I don't believe 1 word of the official story.  IF they say 2 planes hit the building, I think it was 2 missiles.  If they say hijackers, I think autopilot.  If they say box cutters, I think lasers from satellites orbiting in space.

well since there were literally hundreds of witnesses to planes and there was really no reason not to have planes, then it probably was planes.  What type of planes? Well that is another topic.  But as far as no planes, that does not seem to serve any purpose for 9/11 truth but it definitely serves a big purpose for disinfo artists.  I do understand about not trusting the official story, but this is going by eyewitnesses not by "officials".  Hell Rumsfeld mentioned a missle twice and so have other government dickheads. There is a difference in seeing the BS in the government's story and then just saying the opposite of whatever they say.  If you do that without any rational inverstigation, then they still control your interpretation of events.  This leads to separating 2 groups which are both wrong...believers in 100% of the story and refuters of 100% of the story.  From these government created groups, there can be no common ground.  This divide and conquer tactic is exactly what the NWO wants.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: bootroll on February 28, 2009, 10:49:18 am
 ???   1.09 - 1.28 mins. on oyashango's film their are four films on screen, top right film - surely the building is already on fire before the plane has hit it, isn't it?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xfahctor on February 28, 2009, 10:51:58 am
Yes, but once a bullet hits bone, it becomes damaged and smashed.  Such as seen here:
(http://www.gunblast.com/images/CastPerf/Mvc-018f.jpg)
The bullet on the right was fired at a rock.  It did not go through the rock, but smashed and bounced off of it.  That's my whole point.  The plane shouldn't go through the WTC building, but smash and bounce off.
but it probably took a good chip out of the rock. The rock is also solid all the way through, a building is not. the walls of the building not nearly as thick in relation to the size of the plane, as the rock is in relation to the size of the bullet.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dok on February 28, 2009, 10:53:45 am
What are your feelings on npt dok? 

Im not saying plannes didnt hit the building. As speed increases mass is also increased. My whole point is that right before this shot in the video, the camera panned way out on a big shot. The incoming plane would have been seen in the camera angle.

Quote
Dude if you put as much time into researching 9/11 as you do the bible you would know Ace Baker is a f**king fraud.. his whole premise is based on a shitty video that wasn't even original resolution archive footage, it was from a VHS duplicate. And the cameras used weren't designed as hi-def capturing devices rather ones that captured and streamed the live broadcast from a helicopter. So they took an already poor-quality video, made it even poorer by running it through a VHS and then based their whole 'investigation' on evidence that was flimsier than toilet paper.. and that's all Baker's theories are.. toilet paper. Only just worthy of wiping your ass on.

This WTC no-plane stuff is utter bullshit, stop believing this crap. All it does is discredit the truth movement... nothing more nothing less.

Wow, a little animosity there.  :o  As stated above i dont agree with the no plane theory. Regardless what kind of camera or what kind of film was used, would have shown the incoming plane in the wide angle shot leading up to the image posted. Thats my whole point in this matter.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 11:03:27 am
well since there were literally hundreds of witnesses to planes and there was really no reason not to have planes, then it probably was planes.  What type of planes? Well that is another topic.  But as far as no planes, that does not seem to serve any purpose for 9/11 truth but it definitely serves a big purpose for disinfo artists.  I do understand about not trusting the official story, but this is going by eyewitnesses not by "officials".  Hell Rumsfeld mentioned a missle twice and so have other government dickheads. There is a difference in seeing the BS in the government's story and then just saying the opposite of whatever they say.  If you do that without any rational inverstigation, then they still control your interpretation of events.  This leads to separating 2 groups which are both wrong...believers in 100% of the story and refuters of 100% of the story.  From these government created groups, there can be no common ground.  This divide and conquer tactic is exactly what the NWO wants.

Very true Sane, I'll keep that in mind.

I do believe some type of aircraft/missile struck the twin towers, just not civilian jumbo jets.  I don't know what exactly hit the twin towers, I just know every news clip I see of a jumbo jet crashing, and then being absorbed by, the building, is not possible.  So this means the video is a fake, which probably means other news clips are fakes too.

What are they hiding?  That's what I'm hoping to uncover, but it's so hard with all the dis-info out there.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on February 28, 2009, 11:09:16 am
Wow, a little animosity there.  :o  As stated above i dont agree with the no plane theory. Regardless what kind of camera or what kind of film was used, would have shown the incoming plane in the wide angle shot leading up to the image posted. Thats my whole point in this matter.

Aye sorry if that came across aggressively.. just can't stand this no-plane stuff, makes my blood boil.

Ok, little more civilty. What I was saying about the low quality of video relates directly back to wether or not the plane would be seen in-screen whilst panned back, because of that low quality, the limited pixels, it cannot pick out fine details in the distance like that. The cameras used aren't Hi-Def and the data rate streamed by the helicopter back to the station needs to be kept within the most practical & available technological capabilities for live video streaming.

Take a hi-res photograph of that same wide shot panned back, change the resolution & shrink it down, put it into a low data format like .gif and see if you can still see the details in the sky / background or whatever.

What would even be the point in video fakery?

And most importantly, Ace Baker bullshit aside, what about the countless eyewitnesses who watched the planes hit? They're lying, Bluebeam AND realtime live video fakery were used?

I hope some no-planers will realise that this stuff will lead them absolutely nowhere.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 11:12:59 am
Aye sorry if that came across aggressively.. just can't stand this no-plane stuff, makes my blood boil.

Ok, little more civilty. What I was saying about the low quality of video relates directly back to wether or not the plane would be seen in-screen whilst panned back, because of that low quality, the limited pixels, it cannot pick out fine details in the distance like that. The cameras used aren't Hi-Def and the data rate streamed by the helicopter back to the station needs to be kept within the most practical & available technological capabilities for live video streaming.

Take a hi-res photograph of that same wide shot panned back, change the resolution & shrink it down, put it into a low data format like .gif and see if you can still see the details in the sky / background or whatever.

What would even be the point in video fakery?

And most importantly, Ace Baker bullshit aside, what about the countless eyewitnesses who watched the planes hit? They're lying, Bluebeam AND realtime live video fakery were used?

I hope some no-planers will realise that this stuff will lead them absolutely nowhere.

I don't know what the point of the tv fakery would be, because I wasn't in the board room planning this atrocity.  But I do know it took place, as evidenced by the video clips I posted, and a few others.  If you dissect and analyze any news clip of the planes flying into the towers, you can clearly see obvious forgeries. 

What was the point?  I don't know, other than to hide a missile or modified military aircraft that woulda blown the lid off the official story.  They had to have hijackers on board a civilian aircraft, but this would of been impossible, especially in the case of the attack at the pentagon. 

I do believe the Pentagon is the missing link here.  If we ever see the video footage of what struck the Pentagon, we will prolly understand a lot better what hit the two towers.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on February 28, 2009, 11:17:46 am
plane bouncing off the building is impossible IMO and no plane theory makes my blood boil as well when people seen a plane hit the damned things
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 11:21:45 am
plane bouncing off the building is impossible IMO and no plane theory makes my blood boil as well when people seen a plane hit the damned things

actually, a plane being "swallowed up" by a building is impossible.  Take another look at this clip and tell me if you truly believe what CNN is telling you.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/hezarkhanicumv3.gif)

Pay attention to the wings.  Notice at one point, half the wing is in the building, with the tips sticking out.  Another impossibility.

Metal and aluminum cannot "fuse" into eachother like this.  This clip is a forgery.  Now, ask yourself why?

My guess is military mod- aircraft and/or missiles.  Again, the Pentagon attack is the real answer as to what hit the WTC buildings.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on February 28, 2009, 11:22:40 am
I am glad this subject has come up again. I am still not at peace with the "commerical airline" plane speculation.
Here again, I captured the plane going into the second tower, and it still does not look like a commerical airline.
It looks to me like an auto-piloted figher jet. Can anyone please identify this plane?
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss211/oyashango/secondplane2.jpg)
Oh Cmon!  >:(

This has gone far beyond a joke.

Try looking at other footage of the 2nd plane and it's a 747 mmmk?

Geezus.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on February 28, 2009, 11:23:18 am
I don't know what the point of the tv fakery would be, because I wasn't in the board room planning this atrocity.  But I do know it took place, as evidenced by the video clips I posted, and a few others.  If you dissect and analyze any news clip of the planes flying into the towers, you can clearly see obvious forgeries. 

What was the point?  I don't know, other than to hide a missile or modified military aircraft that woulda blown the lid off the official story.  They had to have hijackers on board a civilian aircraft, but this would of been impossible, especially in the case of the attack at the pentagon. 

I do believe the Pentagon is the missing link here.  If we ever see the video footage of what struck the Pentagon, we will prolly understand a lot better what hit the two towers.

And the hundreds of eyewitnesses? Was what they think they saw projected into their heads?

I'd prefer to call Ace Baker a liar than those hundreds of eyewitnesses, most of who probably lost friends and family.

It's just a huge insult to those people, come on.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on February 28, 2009, 11:24:00 am
Hey, Chris, It's sad to see people talking theories down. I've seen a clip from September Clues. The clip that shows the nose of the plane coming out the other side. It's not possible since the nose is thin metal.
Mmmmmyeah I've seen a clip where there is no nose out.

What a shocker..
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on February 28, 2009, 11:25:38 am
actually, a plane being "swallowed up" by a building is impossible.  Take another look at this clip and tell me if you truly believe what CNN is telling you.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/hezarkhanicumv3.gif)

Pay attention to the wings.  Notice at one point, half the wing is in the building, with the tips sticking out.  Another impossibility.

Metal and aluminum cannot "fuse" into eachother like this.  This clip is a forgery.  Now, ask yourself why?

My guess is military mod- aircraft and/or missiles.  Again, the Pentagon attack is the real answer as to what hit the WTC buildings.

military plane is still a plane
double think much?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 11:25:53 am
And the hundreds of eyewitnesses? Was what they think they saw projected into their heads?

I'd prefer to call Ace Baker a liar than those hundreds of eyewitnesses, most of who probably lost friends and family.

It's just a huge insult to those people, come on.

Hey, the military had aircraft flying all around New York on 9/11, and that's admitted.  White military issue aircraft was spotted circling the Pentagon before and after the attack.

I don't think jumbo jets flew into the WTC building, because the video of those attacks are forged.  Which means they had to edit something out, and splice the planes in.  What that first thing was, I'm trying to figure out.

I'm not trying to insult people or call them stupid.  But people can make mistakes in the fraction of a second it would take for a missile or military issued modified plane to crash into the WTC, that's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on February 28, 2009, 11:26:24 am
Oh Cmon!  >:(

This has gone far beyond a joke.

Try looking at other footage of the 2nd plane and it's a 747 mmmk?

Geezus.

Mr. A they were both 767's!

or were you joking and I didn't get it?  :D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 11:27:30 am
military plane is still a plane
double think much?

Please read my earlier posts.  I've already explained that my version of NPT is just that there were no jumbo jets.  I have stated earlier that I believe a modified military jet or missile was used.  If this is the case, then the official story is torn to shreds!!

How could Al-Queda hijack a military issue jet?  They couldn't!

That's why this is so important.  It's another huge hole in the official story.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on February 28, 2009, 11:28:20 am
Mr. A they were both 767's!

or were you joking and I didn't get it?  :D
?? Eh? I didn't even realise 767 were the model. I always thought 747 was the norm plane these days.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on February 28, 2009, 11:34:04 am
Hey, the military had aircraft flying all around New York on 9/11, and that's admitted.  White military issue aircraft was spotted circling the Pentagon before and after the attack.

I don't think jumbo jets flew into the WTC building, because the video of those attacks are forged.  Which means they had to edit something out, and splice the planes in.  What that first thing was, I'm trying to figure out.

I'm not trying to insult people or call them stupid.  But people can make mistakes in the fraction of a second it would take for a missile or military issued modified plane to crash into the WTC, that's all I'm saying.

aye I'm aware of the E4B's above NYC and the Whitehouse anomalie.. 

And I know you're not trying to insult nyone or call them stupid, but you are doing so anyway in suggesting that hundreds of eyewitnesses all made mistakes at exactly the same time.. almost sounds like an implication of the general public into this conspiracy.

How would you explain this picture?

(http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2494/229fuselage175wtc5roofhp9.jpg)

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 11:37:54 am
aye I'm aware of the E4B's above NYC and the Whitehouse anomalie.. 

And I know you're not trying to insult nyone or call them stupid, but you are doing so anyway in suggesting that hundreds of eyewitnesses all made mistakes at exactly the same time.. almost sounds like an implication of the general public into this conspiracy.

How dwould you explain this picture?


That wreckage could be from any aircraft, but we'll never know thanks to Giuliani shipping all the WTC debris to China.  We'll never be able to know for certain what happened on 9/11, because all the physical evidence has been destroyed.

I can only go on the news clips that MSM ran on 9/11 and the couple days following it.  Most, if not all, of these news clips contain anomalies. 

And as far as your eye witness accounts go, I could pull a bunch of eye witness accounts of people, who quote "thought they saw a missile."

So what does that mean?  It means we'll never know, because like I said, the evidence was destroyed.  But what we can do is look at the news forgeries and piece together what really happened.  At least, that's what I'm trying to do.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on February 28, 2009, 11:46:56 am
Fair enough, well good luck with that.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 11:49:19 am
Fair enough, well good luck with that.

I'm still under the notion, that if we can just Freedom of Information Act the Govt to release the video clips of whatever struck the Pentagon, then we'll all know for sure what struck the twin towers on 9/11, or at least, have a very good idea.

But that's not likely to occur with more than half the country still in denial.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on February 28, 2009, 11:56:42 am
I'm still under the notion, that if we can just Freedom of Information Act the Govt to release the video clips of whatever struck the Pentagon, then we'll all know for sure what struck the twin towers on 9/11, or at least, have a very good idea.

But that's not likely to occur with more than half the country still in denial.

We agree on the FOIA request, can't think of one 9/11 researcher that doesn't want them released.

The masses in denial will start looking at 9/11 more seriously if you hit them with verifiable evidence, not fringe speculation.

There are so many avenues to be used in exposing 9/11, and this video fakery thing is a pretty much the only one that results in a dead end for helping people understand the real nature of 9/11, that and space lasers / ufos.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 02:01:15 pm
We agree on the FOIA request, can't think of one 9/11 researcher that doesn't want them released.

The masses in denial will start looking at 9/11 more seriously if you hit them with verifiable evidence, not fringe speculation.

There are so many avenues to be used in exposing 9/11, and this video fakery thing is a pretty much the only one that results in a dead end for helping people understand the real nature of 9/11, that and space lasers / ufos.

True.  I agree that this topic is only for advanced researchers, which is why I brought it up on this site. 

We will expose these bastards...some day
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 28, 2009, 02:36:00 pm
Please read my earlier posts.  I've already explained that my version of NPT is just that there were no jumbo jets.  I have stated earlier that I believe a modified military jet or missile was used.  If this is the case, then the official story is torn to shreds!!

How could Al-Queda hijack a military issue jet?  They couldn't!

That's why this is so important.  It's another huge hole in the official story.

"How could Al-Queda hijack a military issue jet?  They couldn't!"

How could they hijack 767's for more than 10 minutes without F-16 escorts? They couldn't!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on February 28, 2009, 02:47:18 pm
"How could Al-Queda hijack a military issue jet?  They couldn't!"

How could they hijack 767's for more than 10 minutes without F-16 escorts? They couldn't!

How could they crash them into a 63 meter wide target at 500 miles an hour, while bank turning on their first attempt ... twice!? The couldn't!

How could they convince the captain of flight 77, an ex navy pilot, to just hand over the controls of a 200 tonne aircraft with 60 people on board using only box cutters? They couldn't

How could they fly into the most heavily restricted airspace on earth without being shot down... after two planes had already crashed? They couldn't

How could they crash into the first floor of the pentagon without touching the lawn? They couldn't!

Isn't the official story of 9/11 rediculous?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 03:08:07 pm
How could they crash them into a 63 meter wide target at 500 miles an hour, while bank turning on their first attempt ... twice!? The couldn't!

How could they convince the captain of flight 77, an ex navy pilot, to just hand over the controls of a 200 tonne aircraft with 60 people on board using only box cutters? They couldn't

How could they fly into the most heavily restricted airspace on earth without being shot down... after two planes had already crashed? They couldn't

How could they crash into the first floor of the pentagon without touching the lawn? They couldn't!

Isn't the official story of 9/11 rediculous?

Haha indeed it is my friend.  But the point i was trying to get at, is if there is video evidence of a military grade aircraft / missile being used against the Pentagon, that would beyond a shadow of a doubt, prove that the official story is complete horse sh*t.

All I know is, civilian jumbo jets were def not what was used on 9/11.

As far as the other glaring inconsitencies with the official story, since when do logic and critical thinking make it to mainstream tv?

 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on February 28, 2009, 05:19:12 pm
I cant understand how anyone is still arguing with those noplane people... yeah there are anomalies on those video clips for those who have no clue about cameras and cinematics. And why cant a aluminum plane fully enter the towers? You still have hundreds of tons of mass moving at 500 mph or whatever speed they went into the towers. Also you dont have a plane steel front like some tank armor. There are windows ffs and that means lots of space between the steelbeams the plane can shred into. Take some play dough and shoot it at 500 mph at a sieve and see how it will bounce off half way through.... geez some people are so stupid.

If you are so smart and really think the plane should have bounced off then grab a physics book and do the damn calculations. Mass, speed, friction, density of materials, space between the steelbeams, how the material would react and so on.... like... its always said the towers couldnt have been falling at free fall speed because in a collapse the material goes the path of the least resistance... now guess what... when a plane crashes into the buiding it will also choose the path of least resistance meaning the f**king space between the steelbeams. But you think the facade is like some tank armor and walls all around with no windows, no offices behind them... just steel and concrete so nuhuh the planes couldnt have entered the buildings like they did. Grow yourself a f**kin brain... sorry but no planers make me mad.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 06:42:49 pm
I am convinced that all of the footage we saw on mainstream tv news channels on 9/11 and on the following two days is a forgery to hide what really hit the WTC buildings.

Why would the MSM take this huge risk?  What is the point?

The entire official story completely hinged on the fact that terrorists had hijacked civilian aircraft.  If a military jet and/or missile was videotaped it would clearly show the official story to be a fraud, for even the most ardent establishment corporate shill.  This being the case, the Pentagon doctored several different shots, splicing in airplanes in some shots that I will prove to be obvious forgeries.

How could all the live footage be altered?  How could everyone in the media be in on 9/11?

Not everyone in the media was in on 9/11, but some key media faces, [Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw, etc.] were given doctored film from the Pentagon and told the official story, and they played along.  However, at the onset, you could tell their initial reaction was astonishment at the obviousness of the forgeries!


Even Peter Jennings knew the 9/11 airplane video was fake. Note his nervousness and word fumbling when ABC plays this amateur clip back in slow motion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCDu2V3yjS4

As retired Aerospace Engineer Joseph Keith says: "The video is phony because airliners don’t meld into steel and concrete buildings, they crash against them!"
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&..._planer_resigns


So, What did hit the WTC buildings if not 2 jumbo jets hijacked by arabs with box cutters?

It is my belief that military aircraft and/or missiles hit the twin towers on 9/11 and the MSM [Main Stream Media] covered it up by splicing in footage of planes. 


Probably the most damning evidence can be seen with Fox 5's infamous "Nose out" video

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/fox5jo0.gif)

How does aluminum penetrate 20 layers of steel and emerge intact?  It can't, and this footage is an obvious fake!  Believe what your eyes are seeing!  Fox News is obviously trying to hide a missile/military modified aircraft here! 

Other Media Stations engaged in TV Fakery too!

check out this CNN shot of the 2nd plane getting ABSORBED by the tower.  Pay attention to the wingtips of the plane, as the ends will penetrate from inside the building, while the entire middle section of the wing does not damage the building!!!

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/CB_Brooklyn/DebunkingANPTMyths/hezarkhanicumv3.gif)

There is much more footage that I will disect later.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on February 28, 2009, 06:45:02 pm
you are the most disrespectful person i have ever ranted to here
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 06:45:54 pm
you are the most disrespectful person i have ever ranted to here


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Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on February 28, 2009, 06:48:47 pm
will you drop the cointel BS, if people saw a f**king commercial jet fly into the buildings thats enough said and instantly shuits this argument up
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Amd304912 on February 28, 2009, 06:50:46 pm
will you drop the cointel BS

damn, and you have to say others partake in your bs?

hey coldfusion how ya doin>
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on February 28, 2009, 06:53:03 pm
You seem very keen to push the video fakery thing..

what's wrong with keeping it in the 4 page thread that you've already been posting this stuff in?

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.0
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 06:55:44 pm
So, how do you all explain the video clips I posted?

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on February 28, 2009, 06:56:56 pm
maybe SOMEBODY altered them to make us look nuts
hmm hmm ever think of that
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on February 28, 2009, 06:59:00 pm
So, how do you all explain the video clips I posted?

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.0
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Amd304912 on February 28, 2009, 07:01:49 pm
maybe SOMEBODY altered them to make us look nuts
hmm hmm ever think of that

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=130.0

fixed.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 07:02:14 pm
maybe SOMEBODY altered them to make us look nuts
hmm hmm ever think of that

except these were shown on CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News to millions and millions of Americans!  It wasn't just shown on youtube by some guy in his parent's basement!

These clips are pulled directly from CNN and Fox News archives.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 28, 2009, 07:03:15 pm
So, how do you all explain the video clips I posted?




The Trolling Formula to Push No Plane Disinfo Onto Truth Boards


Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used to show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the "How dare you!" gambit.


                                                                        (http://www.gumbopages.com/looka/images/snarl.jpg)

Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such "arguable rumors". If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a "wild rumor" which can have no basis in fact.

                                            (http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s246/Mother-War/Stuff/Word%20Icons/icon25.jpg)

Sidetrack with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

                                                           (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z90/goddessnella/misc/smileys/Ridicule.gif)

Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

                                                                          (http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n37/n188915.jpg)

Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough "jargon" and "minutia" to illustrate you are "one who knows", and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

                                                                    (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a22/Tw1tcheroo/Authority.jpg)

Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

                                    (http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm286/bethnolastname/86ed8fa0.gif)


Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the "high road" and "confess" with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, "just isn't so." Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for "coming clean" and "owning up" to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

                                                  (http://z.about.com/d/healing/1/0/X/P/gc_takehighroad.jpg)

Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

                                                                                       (http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/Duh.gif)


Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.


                                                 (http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii113/evrythingsucks26/alice-in-wonderland-1.jpg)


Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

                                            (http://www.convergentgrp.com/images/peg.jpg)


Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can "argue" with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

                                              (http://radio2020.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hijack.jpg)


Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how "sensitive they are to criticism".


                                                (http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll319/sexiinessrachel/scream-1.jpg)


Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon).
                                                                         (http://incontext.blogmosis.com/see%20no%20evil.jpg)


False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

                                                                      (http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/wtc-2-plane.jpg)


Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.


                                           (http://www.currentfilm.com/images3/60secondsdvd.jpg)


SPAM. If you find that posts are being moved to places that you do not like, then just continue to post the same thing over and over again as if there is some grand conspiracy against you personally or against your superior thesis. Do not bother reading the rules of the forum or accept any other conclusions, just spam, spam, spam.

                                             (http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/photos/spam_1.jpg)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Amd304912 on February 28, 2009, 07:04:53 pm

SPAM. If you find that posts are being moved to places that you do not like, then just continue to post the same thing over and over again as if there is some grand conspiracy against you personally or against your superior thesis. Do not bother reading the rules of the forum or accept any other conclusions, just spam, spam, spam.

                                             (http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/photos/spam_1.jpg)


I guess the others who dont push no planes have a place to dump also..  :D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 07:06:55 pm
Uh, that's cute Sane, but is a complete dodge of all the issues I raised.

But I guess you were never about having a rational discussion, were you?  Maybe that's why you keep trying to bury my threads?  Hmm...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Amd304912 on February 28, 2009, 07:08:59 pm
Uh, that's cute Sane, but is a complete dodge of all the issues I raised.

But I guess you were never about having a rational discussion, were you?  Maybe that's why you keep trying to bury my threads?  Hmm...


get over it, amerikkka has prevelance, america is second we must satire mccain potatoes!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 28, 2009, 07:12:20 pm
Uh, that's cute Sane, but is a complete dodge of all the issues I raised.

But I guess you were never about having a rational discussion, were you?  Maybe that's why you keep trying to bury my threads?  Hmm...

Yeah, I hate rational discussion.  It hurts my head. 

I admire those that can dig up years old debunked zionist disinfo and spam it on a truth board.  Those are the rational voices.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 07:14:10 pm
Yeah, I hate rational discussion.  It hurts my head. 

I admire those that can dig up years old debunked zionist disinfo and spam it on a truth board.  Those are the rational voices.

Nice facts you posted there, I counted 0.

Sigh...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on February 28, 2009, 07:23:24 pm
So, how do you all explain the video clips I posted?


Man I could post the exact same clips showing no nose out.

I already did to one guy here a while ago.

And who's to say the nose-out isn't tv fakery itself? ? ?

Game-set-match.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 07:25:13 pm
Man I could post the exact same clips showing no nose out.

I already did to one guy here a while ago.

I'm sure you could, but could you hop in your time machine, go back to say, Sept. 11, 2001.  Then air your footage, with no nose out, to all of America? 

Because that's when this footage hit the air.  Broadcast to millions.

This is pulled from their own archives!  Hello?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Amd304912 on February 28, 2009, 07:26:52 pm
I'm sure you could, but could you hop in your time machine, go back to say, Sept. 11, 2001.  Then air your footage, with no nose out, to all of America? 

Because that's when this footage hit the air.  Broadcast to millions.

This is pulled from their own archives!  Hello?

you do know every school was alerted to not allow broadcast of it right?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on February 28, 2009, 07:31:28 pm
I'm sure you could, but could you hop in your time machine, go back to say, Sept. 11, 2001.  Then air your footage, with no nose out, to all of America? 

Because that's when this footage hit the air.  Broadcast to millions.

This is pulled from their own archives!  Hello?
:(

And what does nose-out prove?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 07:38:16 pm
:(

And what does nose-out prove?

well, it proves a lot to me.  A hollow aluminum nose on an airplane obviously cannot penetrate through the intense grid of steel of the WTC building.

That means that this video is a fake.  maybe that's why it fades to black right after the point of impact? 

That means that the MSM was involved in the 9/11 conspiracy.

That means a lot to me.  How about you?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on February 28, 2009, 07:43:50 pm
well, it proves a lot to me.  A hollow aluminum nose on an airplane obviously cannot penetrate through the intense grid of steel of the WTC building.

That means that this video is a fake.  maybe that's why it fades to black right after the point of impact? 

That means that the MSM was involved in the 9/11 conspiracy.

That means a lot to me.  How about you?
So what the hell did people see, hear & feel?

They saw the impact, heard the impact and felt the heat from the explosion of jet fuel & impact.

And what of amateur footage ???
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on February 28, 2009, 07:48:32 pm
So what the hell did people see, hear & feel?

They saw the impact, heard the impact and felt the heat from the explosion of jet fuel.

And what of amateur footage ???

All amateur footage was bought up by the MSM.  If you do research into it you'll see that.

I'm sure people did hear *something* smell jet fuel and feel an explosion.

As far as witness testimony, I can post doezens of witness accounts that quote "thought they saw a missile."  What does that mean?

Further research is needed, but I believe the evidence points to missiles or modified millitary aircraft
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on February 28, 2009, 07:53:32 pm
well, it proves a lot to me.  A hollow aluminum nose on an airplane obviously cannot penetrate through the intense grid of steel of the WTC building.

That means that this video is a fake.  maybe that's why it fades to black right after the point of impact? 

That means that the MSM was involved in the 9/11 conspiracy.

That means a lot to me.  How about you?

We all know that MSM was involved, WTF? CNN, BBC, Others reported WTC7 exploding 23 minutes before it happened.  But like we already said, zionist disinfo artists spend 0 time on that fact and 100% of the time pushing TV fakery and no plane theories to sabatoge the truth movement.  It is classic CoIntelPro operations that have been done for over 40 years.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Amd304912 on February 28, 2009, 07:54:06 pm
paris not immortal.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on February 28, 2009, 08:15:05 pm
All amateur footage was bought up by the MSM.  If you do research into it you'll see that.

I'm sure people did hear *something* smell jet fuel and feel an explosion.

As far as witness testimony, I can post doezens of witness accounts that quote "thought they saw a missile."  What does that mean?

Further research is needed, but I believe the evidence points to missiles or modified millitary aircraft
Now the sound of a Passenger Jet in New York City was fake?

I'm done being distracted by Cointelpro disinformation, it's disgusting and a cancer in the movement. It's not looking at alternative information, researching other possible avenues of events, it's just a purposely misguided attempt to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.

Whether your easily taken in by this or know fully well it's bullshit doesn't matter. Because more people with expertise strongly disagree with the no plane theory.

In conclusion.

It's pointless for a Government to spend that much money on "TV Fakery" "Holograms" and other b/s than to use 767 Passenger Jets that may or may not have been remotely flown.

If you'll excuse me, I'll be visiting the real 9/11 thread.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Amd304912 on February 28, 2009, 08:19:31 pm
cancer> read ts's posts.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on February 28, 2009, 08:27:03 pm
cancer> read ts's posts.
Man you guys are at it constantly and I'm not interested in petty squabbles.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Amd304912 on February 28, 2009, 08:30:13 pm
Man you guys are at it constantly and I'm not interested in petty squabbles.


too bad it cant go back to the days before "were all gonna die it dont matter anyways" times.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on March 01, 2009, 03:01:33 am
So, how do you all explain the video clips I posted?

Its so laughable because people explained those videos like 1000 times but the no planers would never listen. Always spewing the same BS... oh whats with the nose out? Planes dont melt into the building. Look how nervous the newsspeaker is and bla bla bla bla... of course every astonishment and word fumbling is cause by knowing that the footage are forgeries right right... how convenient. Maybe planes hitting buildings have nothing to do with it. Also those people are actors to put on a good show for the viewers. So even if he is stone cold inside he would act in a certain way to get more audience behind him. But thats not because of forgeries its because of planes hitting buildings.

As for the retired aerospace engineer saying planes cant melt into buildings well... the plane didnt melt into the building ok? It shredded into 1000000 pieces and got pressed into spaces with the least resistence meaning windows. Like I said before but no planers will never listen and since they dont they must be agents because logic doesnt seem to bother them. Also you find some lone nut in all kind of fields... like Dr. Judy Wood with her space beams... also you could be called an aerospace engineer when you screw on the tires on the plane. Still doesnt make you an expert on physics and how a plane would interact with a building. Have you ever read about the Empire State Building? http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm
Its much more concrete and dense, slower plane, smaller plane and still debris went right through the building to the other side but nononononNO!!! not with the WTC where a much larger plane at much higher speed hits a less dense structure... there it must be fakery.

Also stop saying a jumbo jet hit the WTC... jumbo jets are 747 which are 20 meters longer and 10 meters wider than the 767s who hit the WTC. So much for your accurateness.

Quote
How does aluminum penetrate 20 layers of steel and emerge intact?  It can't, and this footage is an obvious fake!  Believe what your eyes are seeing!  Fox News is obviously trying to hide a missile/military modified aircraft here!

Yeah about the nose out BS... how do you know its a nose on that blurry video where the no planers made fake overlays to "proof" their point? There is tons of debris, plane and office, shooting out the other side. There is nothing there to proof any forgery or that in fact the nose came out. Also like said before there were no 20 layers of steel!!! The building isnt covered in tank armor ffs! You have pillars... space between them... drywalls... what is wrong with you?

Stop posting you crap and "disecting" of footage. For everything there are 1000 more likely explanations which are also true based on logic and physics. Too bad noone will kickban you. Disinfo shills really piss me off. But they are easy exposed cause the spew the same crap all the time and are resistant to reason.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: space86 on March 15, 2009, 06:02:54 pm
Would they have access to live video on 9/11 or was the video not really live?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: gautnl27 on March 20, 2009, 02:27:20 am
http://uncleardegree.wordpress.com/

The source of these photos was a mass email, claiming this is what went into the Pentagon on 9-11…. I don’t know if they actually are missiles but it certainly makes you think about the possibility. This would explain any witnesses who say they saw a plane going towards the pentagon. It also had several photos of Osama Bin Ladin sitting with Bush and his cronies at a meeting.

Photos can be seen here:http://uncleardegree.wordpress.com/ (http://uncleardegree.wordpress.com/)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on March 20, 2009, 02:32:57 am
Those pics are screenshots from a film called The Orion Conspiracy - photoshopped.

http://www.theorionconspiracy.com
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Enigma on March 20, 2009, 02:33:01 am
I've always known Bush had a stiffy for men with long beards.

But seriously,
I don't think it was a plane that hit the pentagon. If you look at most of the videos its easy to see the thing that hit it was smaller then any plane.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: gautnl27 on March 20, 2009, 02:34:00 am
If you have more information about these photos, Please send it to me. I want to know where they were taken and what they really are. Any additional info would be helpful. Thank you.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on March 20, 2009, 02:44:25 am
Those pics are screenshots from a film called The Orion Conspiracy - photoshopped.

http://www.theorionconspiracy.com
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: pissoff404 on March 20, 2009, 02:53:17 am
it seemed very unlikely when i looked at the first picture, but the picture of bin laden in the office. hah. not to mension thats the exact position he is in in one of his "jihad tapes". i do think that missiles or smaller planes hit the pentagon. they didnt need to be disguised though.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on March 20, 2009, 02:54:21 am
http://www.theorionconspiracy.com

what the hell is that crazy English-dubbed thing? I'd never heard of it before. Is it like the Daily Telegraph's BLACKJACK thing?

why are these stupid things being made?  Oh, it's because the X-files isn't on anymore - but at least they were interesting, fun, you know.

:)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: gautnl27 on March 20, 2009, 03:00:14 am
Those pics are screenshots from a film called The Orion Conspiracy - photoshopped.

http://www.theorionconspiracy.com

Thanks I try and make a point to find out everything I can about things that I am not sure of. Its something that still could be true even though these pictures are from a movie. I will continue my search for the truth, and hopefully be able to have irrefutable evidence.  :)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on March 20, 2009, 03:03:46 am
what the hell is that crazy English-dubbed thing? I'd never heard of it before. Is it like the Daily Telegraph's BLACKJACK thing?

why are these stupid things being made?  Oh, it's because the X-files isn't on anymore - but at least they were interesting, fun, you know.

:)

Aye I guess it's in a similar vein to BlackJack that a French film-maker made a few years back.. and aye it's pretty much a condensed X-Files box-set..

Thanks I try and make a point to find out everything I can about things that I am not sure of. Its something that still could be true even though these pictures are from a movie. I will continue my search for the truth, and hopefully be able to have irrefutable evidence.  :)

No problem!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
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Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
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Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: shure on March 21, 2009, 01:49:33 pm
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Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on March 21, 2009, 02:08:39 pm
Why don't you name the film:

"Watch how I take good hearted American Citizens and make them feel like total shit for not agreeing with my disinfo..."

Hey look the same practices you use have been revealed by CoIntelPro agents over 40 years ago:

"Evidence of Revision (5 of 5) RFK, MK ULTRA and Jonestown": http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8273110340777778333


Notice how the repeated bullshit interrogations use the same logic?

"That is not what I saw"

YES IT IS!!!!

"But that is not what I saw"

YES IT IS!!!!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on March 21, 2009, 02:09:30 pm

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Why don't you name the film:

"Watch how I take good hearted American Citizens and make them feel like total shit for not agreeing with my disinfo..."

Hey look the same practices you use have been revealed by CoIntelPro agents over 40 years ago:

"Evidence of Revision (5 of 5) RFK, MK ULTRA and Jonestown": http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8273110340777778333


Notice how the repeated bullshit interrogations use the same logic?

"That is not what I saw"

YES IT IS!!!!

"But that is not what I saw"

YES IT IS!!!!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Optimus on March 21, 2009, 02:35:28 pm

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Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on March 21, 2009, 03:33:40 pm
you pump out a cesspit
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: White Rose Sophie on March 21, 2009, 04:15:33 pm
Okay, I'm gonna enter this fray. I didn't see mention of this on this thread anywhere.

I don't believe a commercial passenger airline hit the Pentagon, or got blasted in Shanksville.  I think all these arguments hinge on WTC 2.

Do most people here believe an passenger plane hit the Pentagon?

Ok, if they don't, then WHAT did? A missile?

And what happened to all the 'people' that were supposedly on that plane that did/did not hit?  Has anyone done any research whatsoever - contacted any of those victim's families?  Or the ones who were on the other 'flights'?

Is this information somewhere else on the forum and I just missed it?

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on March 21, 2009, 04:54:49 pm
Okay, I'm gonna enter this fray. I didn't see mention of this on this thread anywhere.

I don't believe a commercial passenger airline hit the Pentagon, or got blasted in Shanksville.  I think all these arguments hinge on WTC 2.

Do most people here believe an passenger plane hit the Pentagon?

Ok, if they don't, then WHAT did? A missile?

And what happened to all the 'people' that were supposedly on that plane that did/did not hit?  Has anyone done any research whatsoever - contacted any of those victim's families?  Or the ones who were on the other 'flights'?

Is this information somewhere else on the forum and I just missed it?

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Well, if you go to the pentagon area, you will find people discussing that.  as far as the towers, they were definitely planes and they were passenger size.

The problem with some of the arguments regarding the pentagon unfortunately is that the most passionate people pushing no plane were the pentaCON guys and they ended up pissing off so many people.  They would interview someone and then change the tone of the interview adding very disparaging information such that any random witnesses became camera shy because of how PentaCON guys treated those witnesses. 

So, there are a lot of discussions regarding the forensic evidence of the pentagon in the pentagon room: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=356.0
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on March 21, 2009, 05:00:56 pm
Okay, I'm gonna enter this fray. I didn't see mention of this on this thread anywhere.

I don't believe a commercial passenger airline hit the Pentagon, or got blasted in Shanksville.  I think all these arguments hinge on WTC 2.

Do most people here believe an passenger plane hit the Pentagon?

Ok, if they don't, then WHAT did? A missile?

And what happened to all the 'people' that were supposedly on that plane that did/did not hit?  Has anyone done any research whatsoever - contacted any of those victim's families?  Or the ones who were on the other 'flights'?

Is this information somewhere else on the forum and I just missed it?

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
A-3 Skywarrior is my bet.

Small fighter aircraft that can be fitted with a missile.

THE PENTAGON ATTACK PAPERS
by Barbara Honegger

Published in the 9/11 Expose Book
THE TERROR CONSPIRACY by Jim Marrs

http://www.Patriotsquestion911.com

http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf


Quote
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=41936.msg493316#msg493316

'This Army financial management/audit area is part of, or contiguous to, the Army personnel offices, which was one of two main west section offices heavily destroyed in the Pentagon attack, the other being the Naval Command Center. The day before 9/11, September 10, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld held a press conference at which he acknowledged that the Pentagon was “missing”—could not account for and needed to “find”—$2.3 Trillion dollars (other reports said $2.6 Trillion). Were the auditors who could “follow the money,” and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted? It is worth noting that the Pentagon’s top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the “missing” trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remote- control technology. As remnants found in the Pentagon wreckage have been identified as the front-hub assembly of the front compressor of a JT8D turbojet engine used in the A-3 Sky Warrior jet fighter, [5] and as Air Force A-3 Sky Warriors—normally piloted planes—were secretly retrofitted to be remote-controlled drones and fitted with missiles in a highly compartmented operation at an airport near Ft. Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport in Colorado in the months before 9/11, [6] the question further arises as to whether Pentagon auditors and their computerized data were intentionally targeted on 9/11.'

[5] The 9/11 Conspiracy, Catfeet Press/Open Court, James Fetzer, editor, 2006, chapter by Prof. James Fetzer; and photos of a JT8D turbojet engine and the remnant found at the Pentagon at Link doesn't work.

[6] Report by two civilian defense contractor employees at “Secret Global Hawk Refit for Sky Warrior,” http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/318250.shtml.

'It is important to note that bomb explosion(s) at 9:32 am on the ground floor of the west section of the Pentagon are not inconsistent with there having also been a later, or even near-simultaneous, impact by some airborne object -- a piloted plane, unmanned drone, or missile -- into the same or nearby section of the building, which may have been the cause of the collapse of the west wall section approximately 20 minutes after the initial violent event. Indeed, if a heat-seeking missile hit the building after the bomb(s) went off, the heat from the explosion(s) would become the target for the missile. Recall that the A-3 Sky Warrior planes were retrofitted shortly before 9/11, not only enabling them to be remotely controlled but also fitted with missiles. The round- shaped exit hole in the inner wall of the “C” Ring is evidence that a missile or a piloted or pilot-less remote- controlled plane significantly smaller than Flight 77 also struck the building subsequent to bombs going off and penetrated the inside of the third ring, as bomb detonations would not have resulted in such a near-symmetrical round-shaped opening'.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: White Rose Sophie on March 21, 2009, 05:30:01 pm
Well, if you go to the pentagon area, you will find people discussing that.  as far as the towers, they were definitely planes and they were passenger size.


So, there are a lot of discussions regarding the forensic evidence of the pentagon in the pentagon room: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=356.0

Thanks.  I'll have a look.   :)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: GoingEtheric on March 23, 2009, 02:16:20 pm
disinfo corner.. lol

misdirection junction
Langley Lane
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on March 23, 2009, 07:31:16 pm
misdirection junction

ha!

it was 'maroon corner' but it got obama'd. (changed)

I like disinfo corner better tbh.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: 9/11 in movies on March 25, 2009, 04:43:04 pm
Just watch and see.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2523901/wtc_missile_strike_on_911/
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: M3rcy on March 25, 2009, 04:45:22 pm
wtf  ???
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Chigs on March 25, 2009, 04:57:06 pm
Yeah, ive seen that before, there's one gut has a you tube vid showing four channels coverage sycronized two show planes and two dont I believe   ..... don't really know what to make o that  ... could be disinfo to make "conspiracy nuts" look mad  :-\
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: KarnEvil9 on March 25, 2009, 04:58:45 pm
It hit the other side. Watch other vids and compare.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on March 25, 2009, 05:16:38 pm
It`s a lo def video, you can see the plane on the right hand side of the screen, it comes in from the top of the screen and hits the tower. You just cant see the wings because of the quality of the video.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Chigs on March 25, 2009, 06:11:19 pm
Yeah recon you could be onto something with the quality angle...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: 9/11 in movies on March 25, 2009, 10:24:38 pm
I wasn't implying that there wasn't something there.but it wasn't no plane.

Just look how fast it drops it came from the sky and fell at an impossible speed.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on March 26, 2009, 06:50:17 am
Impossible speed?

What does that mean exactly?

What are you proposing?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: 9/11 in movies on March 26, 2009, 05:14:00 pm
Impossible?...You know,can't be done.Only thing that could move like that would be a missile.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on March 26, 2009, 06:35:24 pm
Impossible?...You know,can't be done.Only thing that could move like that would be a missile.

Can`t be done.

Only thing that could move that fast.

Not an impossible speed then.

But for your imformation, the object flying at "impossible speeds," has been calculated to be travelling at just over 500miles an hour. Hardly an impossible speed, and because the shot is taken from above the buildings, the angle of downward trajectory is impossible to figure out.

There is far superior quality footage of that shot available on the net, and on this site as it happens, which clearly shows the object has wings and a rear stabiliser fin and appears to be a plane. There are also other clips taken from various locations which, just as clearly show the angle of it`s flight path, from either side of the towers. It flys in at a shallow downward angle in those clips.

As Burlguy says, do some checking, it`s a well documented clip, it appears in no plane theory vids and their relevant debunking vids, which again, you can find on this site.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: 9/11 in movies on March 26, 2009, 10:53:21 pm
Sorry I should have said for a 747.But I did say dropped at an impossible speed.

The goverment attacked and killed about 3000 people,that's what most people at this site think right?Explosives were set inside the building,that's what it looked like right?Why is it so impossible for you to believe it was a missile?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: akasha on March 26, 2009, 11:11:45 pm
youre disinfo is obvious and pathetic  why could you possibly want to protect an establishment that kills innocent people?

youre either sold out because of money...  or youve been forced to do this against your will...  either way your ignorant acts are evil and will lead to nothing but illusory satisfaction that is temporarily unlike the light of truth that comes from the universal Source of inspiration and love.

quit while youre ahead
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: New World Hitler on March 27, 2009, 09:23:11 pm
Weren't the towers designed to withstand impacts from aircraft?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Atomgrad on March 28, 2009, 05:34:45 am
Yes, they were designed to withstand multiple plane strikes.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 29, 2009, 08:44:54 am

Why is it so impossible for you to believe it was a missile?

Because I can watch FDNY Chief Joe Pfieffer and his crew watch a large plane fly into the WTC, and see him call in the strike. I cordially invite all you no planers to go f**k yourself. They are not going to be shooting missiles in broad daylight in front of lots of people when the planes themselves were being used as missiles. That's f**king stupid. That includes the pentagon as well.

Why my disdain for no planers? Because they hurt the "truth movement" more than debunkers. On 9/11 planes flew into buildings-get used to it.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: 9/11 in movies on March 29, 2009, 02:09:03 pm
Are you saying planes took down the twin towers alone?And if you say explosives were used then if they are crazy enough to blow up the towers in broad daylight with thousands of people still inside then YES they ARE crazy enough to shoot a missille in broad daylight.Some people that were there also said it looked like a missile with wings.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on March 29, 2009, 03:21:39 pm
you are right... planes do look like a big missile with wings. how do you know that it wasnt a plane disguised as missile? so many questions...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 29, 2009, 07:22:05 pm
Are you saying planes took down the twin towers alone?And if you say explosives were used then if they are crazy enough to blow up the towers in broad daylight with thousands of people still inside then YES they ARE crazy enough to shoot a missille in broad daylight.Some people that were there also said it looked like a missile with wings.

No one is debating how crazy certain people are. But they are not that stupid. It's incredibly stupid to be shooting missiles in broad daylight and hoping people will think they are planes.

Your missile witness actually isn't a witness. He didn't see anything. He heard what sounded like a missile. Guess what else he said it could have been? It's at the 58 second mark..."perhaps a jet or could have been a missile as well."

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1182077/wtc_witness_saw_a_missile/

He didn't see what hit. Here is an example of a witness. A witness is someone who witnessed what happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PD372CnAgk

Lots of people witnessed planes fly into the buildings. Not because they can't tell the difference between a plane and a missile. But rather because on 9/11 planes flew into buildings. It might be beneficial to you to accept this fact.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on March 29, 2009, 07:27:20 pm
No one is debating how crazy certain people are. But they are not that stupid. It's incredibly stupid to be shooting missiles in broad daylight and hoping people will think they are planes.

What about the Pentagon and the crash at shanksville?  Clearly the Pentagon false flag op was done by a missile, as it is physically impossible to fly a jumbo jet 10ft above the lawn for a half mile and then drill holes through 3 reinforced sections.

And the shanksville crash had no identifiable aircraft parts or any trace of human bodies.  Another obvious indication that no plane was used.

Do you have any idea of how incredibly difficult crashing a jumbo jet, while your in full descent, into an area as wide as the WTC buildings would be?  I'd say that would be literally impossible, especially for the quality of pilots the supposed "hijackers" were.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 29, 2009, 08:12:10 pm
What about the Pentagon and the crash at shanksville?  Clearly the Pentagon false flag op was done by a missile, as it is physically impossible to fly a jumbo jet 10ft above the lawn for a half mile
So much for that idea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk
And clearly it wasn't done by a missile because not a single person said they saw a missile, and lots of people saw what happened. They said it was a plane. And they got a good look at it.


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and then drill holes through 3 reinforced sections.
So much for that idea. You need to be better informed on the contruction of the pentagon. That didn't happen.

The gaps between the first three rings in the Pentagon only reach down to the second floor - therefore, the debris did not go six walls.
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html
(http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/pentagon-rings.jpg)


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And the shanksville crash had no identifiable aircraft parts or any trace of human bodies.  Another obvious indication that no plane was used.
The coroner Wally Miller disagrees with you. He was there....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2456935081384261617&hl=en

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Do you have any idea of how incredibly difficult crashing a jumbo jet, while your in full descent, into an area as wide as the WTC buildings would be?  I'd say that would be literally impossible, especially for the quality of pilots the supposed "hijackers" were.

Yes I do, and it would be even more difficult at the pentagon where a confirmed horrible pilot evidently could have gotten work as an air show pilot. Makes one wonder if perhaps these planes were not under the control of jihadi nutjobs doesn't it? Telling people about the invisible missiles takes us away from this doesn't it? I wonder who would want us yelling no planes and missiles?


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on March 29, 2009, 08:39:37 pm
So much for that idea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk
And clearly it wasn't done by a missile because not a single person said they saw a missile, and lots of people saw what happened. They said it was a plane. And they got a good look at it.

So much for that idea. You need to be better informed on the contruction of the pentagon. That didn't happen.

The gaps between the first three rings in the Pentagon only reach down to the second floor - therefore, the debris did not go six walls.
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html
(http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/pentagon-rings.jpg)

The coroner Wally Miller disagrees with you. He was there....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2456935081384261617&hl=en

Yes I do, and it would be even more difficult at the pentagon where a confirmed horrible pilot evidently could have gotten work as an air show pilot. Makes one wonder if perhaps these planes were not under the control of jihadi nutjobs doesn't it? Telling people about the invisible missiles takes us away from this doesn't it? I wonder who would want us yelling no planes and missiles?




so, remote controlled planes is your contention? Is that so dissimilar from missiles disguised as aircraft?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 29, 2009, 08:44:41 pm
so, remote controlled planes is your contention? Is that so dissimilar from missiles disguised as aircraft?

What's the obsession with missiles? A missile isn't going to be able to knock over 5 lightpoles and I can see very clearly that it was large planes flying into the wtc.

I also know Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot and yet did manuevers that only experts can do. What could explain that? What's the point of creating a missile fantasy? There is no evidence or witnesses for any missiles.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on April 21, 2009, 09:15:28 am
On Twitter if a user by the name of Nico Haupt or Ewing2001 follows you, block them both.

They are both run by the psyop / cointelpro no planer Nico Haupt.

The sick thing is Ewing2001 has 696 followers... :-\

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: BernieMadoff on April 26, 2009, 08:21:02 pm
as far as the planes go, we all know they can fly planes using remote control , im sure you all have seen the video where they tested crashing an airliner and watching it explode into flames

my honest beleif is:

that they were all real planes

people really boarded them at the airport

government then used remote control to carry out their plan, might have never been any pilots on board at all, i have never flown on an airliner, so can someone tell me if at any time is the cockpit open? do flight attendants go into the cockpit at all before take off?

it makes perfect sense really, in fact this theory i think smashes all other theories( dont know if anyone else had mentioned remote control yet)

think over all the aspects and let me know what you think about this theory everyone


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: lovealexjones on April 26, 2009, 08:23:22 pm
the planes had pods underneath them and looked like refuelers.

i'd say remote controled also.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Ironman on May 07, 2009, 08:04:49 am
sadly, I think this 'no plane' bs could be the death of the 'truth movement' if we don't suppress it
it's certainly bringing it down right now by association

load of shit
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Unintelligable Name on June 08, 2009, 03:51:37 am
*watches to see if he has a soul*

Where is this Bob you speak of....

Ah, there he is.

Hrm.... started to but they cut away so overall no... I have no soul! Oh god editing ruined it for me!

But in all serious, this is awesome, having it on public acess television. MORE!!! I demand more!!!!!

I demand people running in the streets yelling and screaming "9/11 was an inside job and I f**king know it!!!!"

Well... in time anyway. One foot infront of the other... slow and steady...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 04:00:13 am
the comment section on that video has brought out the NO PLANERS again - do we call 'no planers' CIA Bloggers now, has that been officially confirmed?

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Unintelligable Name on June 08, 2009, 04:07:26 am
the comment section on that video has brought out the NO PLANERS again - do we call 'no planers' CIA Bloggers now, has that been officially confirmed?

I think no-planes is a plausible theory -- and I assure you I do not work for the CIA.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 04:13:04 am
I think no-planes is a plausible theory -- and I assure you I do not work for the CIA.

woah, a plausible theory? Erm, rather than spattering that on this thread, can you direct me to a thread that has already dealt with this in detail? I must have missed it. Oh, wait, wait, are we talking about all those private videos having the planes added on later? Or are we talking about HOLOGRAPHIC PLANES to instigate a bomb detonation at the respective floors of the respective buildings?

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xereau on June 08, 2009, 04:36:34 am
No planes is NOT a plausible theory.

Millions of New York citizens watched the second plane hit with their own eyes that day.

There is no way there was no planes.

What is more plausible:

No planes, hundreds of billions of dollars for dozens of hologram producing satellites, and hundreds of compartmentalized people involved.

Or...

Two planes, worth nothing to those who perpetrated the hijackings, and a dozen of compartmentalized people involved.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Unintelligable Name on June 08, 2009, 04:40:46 am
My point appears to be lost on you two. You ignore the notion that someone can be investigating No-planes without being involved with the CIA, in favor of poopooing the theory itself. So be it. No-planers are CIA... yup, it's settled.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on June 08, 2009, 05:08:53 am
Alot of people have been duped by the no-plane theories... some celebrities and other once-credible people have aswell ... such as Warren Cuccurullo and David Shayler... not saying they're disinfo agents (altho there's evidence to suggest Shayler may in fact be a victim of mind control programming) so of course not EVERY no planer is a disinfo shill... but the main advocates and the people who made the movies probably are.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 05:48:56 am
Dear ChemicalRain

I asked for (if you have it to hand) a link to a Prison Planet Forumorum discussion about the validity of this NO PLANE theory. And then I added the bit about "do you mean no planes = added later or no planes = holographic technology projected into the skies of New York on 9/11.

Don't take Xereau's response as a get-out clause, just answer my honest questions. Which sort of no planer are you and is there a link I can read up on that goes into greater detail here on PP than the stuff I've already come across on th'internet (the font of all truth and knowledge)?

:)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on June 08, 2009, 06:08:52 am
A relatively serious discussion started here in the disinfo corner a while ago

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.msg471055;topicseen#msg471055
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 08, 2009, 06:16:15 am
Dear ChemicalRain

I asked for (if you have it to hand) a link to a Prison Planet Forumorum discussion about the validity of this NO PLANE theory. And then I added the bit about "do you mean no planes = added later or no planes = holographic technology projected into the skies of New York on 9/11.

Don't take Xereau's response as a get-out clause, just answer my honest questions. Which sort of no planer are you and is there a link I can read up on that goes into greater detail here on PP than the stuff I've already come across on th'internet (the font of all truth and knowledge)?

:)

I'd take a look too because this no-plane fairy story is poisoning the well.

My wife just got back from visiting her family and mentioned her brother who works in the canadian government had a friend who had been presenting him with 911 Truth info.  Apparently my brother-in-law said he had a hard time considering any of it seriously because "Some of these people believe there weren't any planes at all."

The disease that is the "no-plane" theory hopefully is not fatal to it's host the truth.


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 06:27:30 am
Scootle,

thanks for posting that link (what a ridiculous waste of everyone's time that was) but I'm so not concerned with 'what might have hit the WTCs' as I saw that from many different angles over the course of the last few years, unless there were HUNDREDs of video camera crews involved, and NO ONE took a shot with his/her video camera where no plane hit the towers (by this I mean no-one who had a line of sight to the incoming plane, of course - WTC hiding a plane don't count.)

I'm just now concerned with WHAT SORT OF NO-PLANER ChemicalRain is. How he/she can even consider it after all this time and all this video data. I mean, I'm on the edge of my f**king seat. Let's have it, let's have the irrefutable evidence you have that will convince me that the NO PLANER theory has legs.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: KiwiClare on June 08, 2009, 06:31:05 am
I'm going to ignore the no-planer bull***   ;) and state thanks for letting us know Scootle.  That's great news about '9/11 Press for Truth' being aired.   Shame it doesn't go as far as 9/11 The Road to Tyranny though.   It was mentioned in the article below about it that due to the huge viewer response to the program, Channel 12 will repeat it on Saturday, June 6 at 2 p.m. and 9 p.m., followed by an encore at midnight.
   Fox in Fresno got a huge positive viewer response too when they aired the clip with Richard Gage in, according to the producer. Hopefully this news will further encourage stations to air the truth in the near future!  :)

Friday, June 5 2009  
‘9/11 Press for Truth’ on Channel 12 Draws Huge Support from Colorado Public Television Viewers
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090605105600146
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For immediate release
Release Date: 06/04/09
Author: J Nagle

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• See excerpts from Viewer Buzz program comments below

‘9/11 Press for Truth’ on Channel 12 Draws Huge Support from Colorado Public Television Viewers
Program will repeat at 2:00, 9:00 and midnight on Saturday

DENVER – (June 4, 2009) – KBDI has always been at the forefront of controversial programming and last night was no exception. As the first broadcast station in the United States to air the controversial documentary 9/11 Press for Truth, which claims a 9/11 cover-up, KBDI showed that it is not afraid to touch on sensitive subjects.

Due to viewer response to the program, Channel 12 will repeat the program Saturday, June 6 at 2 p.m. and 9 p.m., followed by an encore at midnight.

During the premiere, Bob McIlvaine, who lost his son Bobby at the World Trade Center, and 9/11 Press for Truth producer Kyle Hence and director Ray Nowosielski were in the studio to give more insight into why they believed 9/11 was a cover-up and why the American public should be screaming for answers.

Supporters of the documentary hope that because of the risk KBDI took by putting 9/11 Press for Truth on the air that more PBS stations across the nation will take a chance and broadcast the controversial documentary.

Press for Truth’s producer Kyle Hence already has heard the cries saying people from all over the country have been forwarding his e-mails on to their local PBS stations.

The program will repeat on Channel 12. A full schedule of air times for all of the programs can be found at www.KBDI.org.

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“Congratulations and many thanks for your showing of this important film! I can't believe you're the first to broadcast this in the US! We need more people in PBS of your vision and courage! Thanks again. I'm becoming a first time member.”

“I was enjoying watching TV this evening when I came across the 911 program. As a very patriotic American, I was apalled (sic) at the frivilous (sic) allegations that were being made. “

“Thank you for taking the risk and having the guts to show this program. Real news and investigative journalism are scarce commodities these days.”

“Congratulations on airing the well, second - program concerning the fallacies that have been promulgated to the American public concerning the history and events of 9/11.”

“It takes the courage of true patriotism to buck the military, industrial, media mafia. THANK YOU!”

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RELATED:
This episode of Visibility 9-11 welcomes back to the program Kyle Hence, founder of 9-11 Citizens Watch and producer of the excellent documentary 9-11 Press for Truth.  Included is a brief discussion about the film as well as a new film Kyle is working on based on footnote #44 in Chapter 6 of the 9-11 Commission Report.  A press release from the September 11th Advocates reads in part:

    "In July 2004, when the 9/11 Commission released its Final Report, we read with enormous interest, Chapter 6 - "From Threat to Threat", including footnote #44. Footnote #44 details an instance where a CIA desk officer intentionally withheld vital information from the FBI about two of the 9/11 hijackers who were inside the United States. This footnote further states that the CIA desk officer covered-up the decision to withhold said vital information from the FBI. Finally, footnote #44 states that the CIA desk officer could not recall who told her to carry out such acts."

Also included in this discussion are the circumstances surrounding the historic national premiere of '9/11 Press for Truth' on a major market PBS station.  On June 3, 2009 at 7:00pm, 9/11 Press for Truth will be shown on KBDI, Channel 12 in Denver Colorado.  This historic broadcast will feature in-studio interviews during the broadcast of Kyle Hence, Bob McIlvaine, and a representative of Colorado 9/11 Visibility.  As has been the case for the past couple of years, Colorado 9/11 Visibility will also be manning the phone banks during the broadcast, which is also part of the periodic fund drives at KBDI.  A great list of 9/11 books and DVD's will be offered as premium gifts to viewers who pledge during this broadcast.  Please contact KBDI and let them know how much you appreciate this historic broadcast and if you can, give them a donation which best fits your budget.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Initiated on June 08, 2009, 06:46:32 am
Another wonderful recording. What a great idea to volunteer to take donations whilst giving away copies of eye-opening films upon making a contribution to public access or PBS stations. I also think if the local action groups, such as We Are Change, can get enough free-thinking individuals together to landslide calls and requests to local news stations, we might see a David Ray Griffin or someone who might carry themselves well being interviewed.

Thanks once again for sharing. Cheers!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xereau on June 08, 2009, 07:26:22 am
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plau-si-ble [plaw-zuh-buhl] –adjective

Defintion:  having an appearance of truth or reason; seemingly worthy of approval or acceptance; credible; believable

Just what part of the no planes story:

1.  Has the appearance of truth?

2.  Has the appearance of reason?

3.  Is worth of approval or acceptance?

4.  Is credible?

5.  Is believable?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 07:36:26 am
Just what part of the no planes story:
1.  Has the appearance of truth?
2.  Has the appearance of reason?
3.  Is worth of approval or acceptance?
4.  Is credible?
5.  Is believable?

Xereau,

we've always gotta be careful how quickly we DEBUNK, for only a few years back 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB seemed highly implausible. That's the power of the passage of time.

:)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: JonTheSavage on June 08, 2009, 07:47:00 am
Great find Scoot. We had Endgame & Bohemian Grove aired on our local BKN 19.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: JonTheSavage on June 08, 2009, 07:52:19 am
I think no-planes is a plausible theory -- and I assure you I do not work for the CIA.

I see the evidence pointing towards remote control aircraft. Didn't Bush mention they had that capability? There is a clip of him somewhere saying it. PLUS, you have the difficult manuevers where the plane turned very sharply, and it was almost impossible, even for a well trained pilot to do that.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 07:59:58 am
Imagine the shock on those 'hijackers' faces when they've subdued the pilots and sat behind the yoke and it starts moving on its own right into New York air space. I wonder if the 'hijackers' were given a story about landing the planes at some airport - maybe it was set up as a simple hijack for them, and not a suicide mission as it became?

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on June 08, 2009, 08:31:42 am
Yeh that's probably how it happened... they were agents who believed they were taking part in a hijacking drill.

There's no way any of the three planes that hit their targets could have been flown by a human... the twin towers were the easy targets and even they would have been difficult to hit at 220 meters (almost 4 times the width of the towers) per second.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 08:39:20 am
Yeh that's probably how it happened... they were agents who believed they were taking part in a hijacking drill.

There's no way any of the three planes that hit their targets could have been flown by a human... the twin towers were the easy targets and even they would have been difficult to hit at 220 meters (almost 4 times the width of the towers) per second.

Well, yeah, that seems to be how 7/7 was set up - the 'actors' or 'assets' were players in 'some other game'.

You've, of course, heard of these PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH getting into Dutch Roll and being unable to fly their flight simulators into the WTC after trying TEN TIMES at the interception speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cIco_3cK7c

I think we discussed this on the thread that became the WTC floor-accurate repairs weeks before 911 ~~ homing beacon installed.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Raffles on June 08, 2009, 08:50:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxWMDTuhxdI&fmt=18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxWMDTuhxdI&fmt=18)

Anyone who doesn't get choked up when Bob McIlvaine speaks has no soul.
"$100 million to investigate Clintons Sex scandals and $3 million to investigate the murder of 3,000 people"

He has a point methinks.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: xereau on June 08, 2009, 09:39:35 am
As for:

Quote
That's the power of the passage of time.

This is just a slogan.  Time allows people like, oh, I don't know, the CIA to come up with a perfect little interjectional distraction like the no-planes theory.  Time allows our memory of events to be overwritten by subliminal messages, overt programming, and direct propaganda.  The events of that day are what matter.  How things were reported, recorded, and remembered that day, from all angles, is what matters.  And what is missing from that day?  This is what is missing:  any record, by millions in person, of there being 'no planes' on 911.  Nothing.

Where are these people from day 1 that say there were no planes?  Anyone?  And while on this subject, what about the timing of the no-planes theory?  It just so happened to heat up right around the time 9/11 Truth was really starting to gain steam.  As far as I know, this bogus hypothesis was being pushed heavily on another patriot radio station.  I have been watching and observing on this split within the patriot movement ever since I got involved three years ago -- petty, divisive squabbles fractured the unity of a would be tidal wave that, to me, smacked of a real revolution.

Note:  Only one alternate theory for '9/11 Truth' gained traction -- The No-Planers.  And was it ever divisive.

Given one option for opposition, people are forced into two camps -- This is the very definition of a dialectic;  divide and conquer;  formulate factions within your enemy, each weakening the other, leaving both vulnerable.  In case anyone has read this far, I hope that you realize that we are being herded around like animals.  This is is THE big secret.  The BIG mystery.  This is the elites' religion.  They have figured out the human species quite literally to a science.  They have kept, developed, searched, and researched this secret knowledge throughout history.  It is the science of ultimate control.

Back to the discussion of this thread:

Again, I want to ask -- Just what part of the no planes story:

1.  Has the appearance of truth?

2.  Has the appearance of reason?

3.  Is worthy of approval or acceptance?

4.  Is credible?

5.  Is believable?

A theory is a hypothesis with experimentally repeatable evidence.  A hypothesis is a presumption based on suspicion before any (re)search begins.

The no plane 'theory' is in reality a hypothesis, disproved by a clear lack of evidence.  Unless you know someone with a trillion dollar hologram array kicking around.

On the other hand it would be possible to build a twin tower replica, fly planes into each, and see:

(1) if it looks the same as the planes approach and when they hit, and (2) if the buildings fall again the same way both others did.  

A rational sounding thinking individual should be able to surmise (without actually building the towers etc, and with using physics, modeling, chemistry, and habeus corpus) that:

(1) Yes, a real plane flown into a twin tower replica would look the same approaching and hitting, as depicted by the video collected (from tens/hundreds of thousands within millions of eyewitnesses) on 9/11, and (2) Given experimentally replicable evidence from hundreds of independent sources on the physics, chemistry of the events that day and the relationships of those in power to the military industrial complex, it is unlikely that the buildings would completely pulverize themselves at free fall speed again, completely defying physics, without the help of high tech military demolition material produced by companies run by and in association to the entire upper governmental power structure.

In short, given verifiable, repeatable evidence, from many different sources, it is MUCH more likely that real planes hit the buildings.

The evidence that a secret high tech hologram satellite array exists is nonexistent, unrepeatable, and from one source.  This does not meet the requirements of a peer reviewed theory.  An unprovable, non repeatable hypothesis from a single source is essentially religious doctrine, as it takes leaps of faith and logic in order to come to the conclusion you desire.  When you have to *insert mythical explanation here* (god, the tooth fairy, a satellite hologram array) as part of a systems analysis in order to come up with the answer you want, you are in treading in the realm of fantasy and wishful thinking.  Procedure, results, evidence, referential precedent, scrutiny, and (peer) review must all be open, replicable, and from independent sources.

The classic false flag demolition theory is indeed a theory -- verifiable data on multiple fronts, from dozens to hundreds of sources on each front.

*********************
No-Plane Hypothesis Deconstructed:

(1) Millions of people from the entire area saw the 2nd plane hit.  They were all looking towards downtown Manhattan.  Are they all lying?  Or did they all get duped by a hologram?

A:  No one claimed to not have seen planes that day.  So they saw something.  Was it a hologram?

(2) What is more plausible:  An unknown, undocumented hologram producing satellite array costing hundreds of billions (or trillions) put in place by hundreds to thousands, or a free (hijacked) plane either remotely or manually flown into the buildings by only a handful of conspirators?

A:  Flying stolen planes into the buildings and bringing them down with preplanted thermate would take many magnitudes less time, money, technology, manpower, and pure luck to pull off.

(3) What is the advantage of holograms as opposed to real planes?  Why the insanely intricate, potentially fallible plot, when you could just fly a real plane into the building?

A:  The only advantage I can see to using holograms, is that it would be so unbelievably improbable and difficult to pull off, that it would trick logical, rational, well versed people such as myself into thinking that because it would indeed be so hellishly expensive and difficult to pull off, that there was no way they did it this way.  In other words, there is no advantage to holograms and the use of for a lack of better words, science fiction technology.

(4)  Why did the no-planes theory come out so long after 9/11, and why was it around the time the Ron Paul revolution, largely pushed into existence by 9/11 Truthers, began to gain momentum?

A:  The 9/11 Truth Movement was scaring the SHIT out of the elites.  Too many people in too many places all started talking about it too quickly for it to be squashed all at once.  Coupled with the rising discontent towards the increasingly corrupt system, the False Flag Demolition Theory was THE issue a revolution could run on.  Rather than give many alternate theories, an unprovable, unrepeatable, single sourced fairy tale emerged as the sole dialectical alternative.  Two birds, one stone.  Discredit the truth with association to contrived lunacy.  Call it what you will.  It stinks.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 09:47:30 am
Yep,

and I still only care about what sort of a NO PLANER ChemicaRain is.

:)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 08, 2009, 10:05:51 am
Imagine the shock on those 'hijackers' faces when they've subdued the pilots and sat behind the yoke and it starts moving on its own right into New York air space. I wonder if the 'hijackers' were given a story about landing the planes at some airport - maybe it was set up as a simple hijack for them, and not a suicide mission as it became?



I imagine the shock was equally shared with the patsy/hijacker, passengers, and pilots as they smashed into one of the towers.   Really the only requirement was to have some of these so called hijackers on the plane, it is quite likely they thought they were just heading to another whoring coke session.  I picture the remote controlled scenario taking over from the competent pilots -- too many unknown factors depending on these patsy jokers to accomplish anything. 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on June 08, 2009, 10:22:14 am
My point appears to be lost on you two. You ignore the notion that someone can be investigating No-planes without being involved with the CIA, in favor of poopooing the theory itself. So be it. No-planers are CIA... yup, it's settled.

Let me make this as clear as possible.

No planes is not a plausible theory. Especially on this forum. It is an attack on victims families of 9/11 and on the entire truth movement. Repeatedly pushing no planes theory will get you banned from this forum. I hope that clears everything up for everyone.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 10:22:51 am
I imagine the shock was equally shared with the patsy/hijacker, passengers, and pilots as they smashed into one of the towers.   Really the only requirement was to have some of these so called hijackers on the plane, it is quite likely they thought they were just heading to another whoring coke session.  I picture the remote controlled scenario taking over from the competent pilots -- too many unknown factors depending on these patsy jokers to accomplish anything. 

And any transmission from the panicking pilots can 'PROBABLY' be scenario'd from Ptech's memory of their voices? Or no black box data recorders made it through the destruction of WTC 1 or WTC 2

forgive my wild fantasies.

:)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 08, 2009, 10:30:21 am


forgive my wild fantasies.

:)

Not nearly as imaginative as no-planes -- haha
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Overcast on June 08, 2009, 10:38:25 am
Alot of people have been duped by the no-plane theories... some celebrities and other once-credible people have aswell ... such as Warren Cuccurullo and David Shayler... not saying they're disinfo agents (altho there's evidence to suggest Shayler may in fact be a victim of mind control programming) so of course not EVERY no planer is a disinfo shill... but the main advocates and the people who made the movies probably are.

Yeah, there were certainly planes involved. Of course; the origin and cargo/payload of the planes - that's another matter.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Unintelligable Name on June 08, 2009, 12:57:45 pm
Dear ChemicalRain

I asked for (if you have it to hand) a link to a Prison Planet Forumorum discussion about the validity of this NO PLANE theory. And then I added the bit about "do you mean no planes = added later or no planes = holographic technology projected into the skies of New York on 9/11.

Don't take Xereau's response as a get-out clause, just answer my honest questions. Which sort of no planer are you and is there a link I can read up on that goes into greater detail here on PP than the stuff I've already come across on th'internet (the font of all truth and knowledge)?

:)

How about you go and have a reaaaaaaly long and hard think about whether it matters if there were any planes or not, then if you think it does matter in the big scheme of things, think about the impact and such and weigh that against my time and yours and perhaps I will answer your so far seemingly pointless question.

It is on the order of Zionist Nukes. In essence for those who can't figure it out yet.... it really doesn't matter what caused the towers to collapse other than the fact that it was an inside job. If we somehow as a Nation get to the point where we are holding individuals responsible it may have some relevance in figuring out who supplied what  specific technology.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: phasma on June 08, 2009, 02:24:13 pm
I`m pretty sure there was planes - why would they be squeamish about killing a few hundred people when they went ahead and killed a few thousand !
The "there was no planes " theory is just an attempt to make all other conspiracy theories seem ridiculous by association.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on June 08, 2009, 02:30:53 pm
How about you go and have a reaaaaaaly long and hard think about whether it matters if there were any planes or not, then if you think it does matter in the big scheme of things, think about the impact and such and weigh that against my time and yours and perhaps I will answer your so far seemingly pointless question.

Another waste of time from another smart-... Really, we don't need this. Why can't you just answer a simple question like "What sort of a f**king no-plane loon are you?"  and quit f**king with the good fellows on this forum?

...-ass.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Unintelligable Name on June 08, 2009, 02:38:08 pm
Everything you want to know has already been stated. Go forth and argue with the wall, that will only tie up one mind instead of two.

Any time wasted has been your own doing.

For the record fellows of this forum: I have very little desire to argue about anything. You cannot inflate me, goad me, or egg me on to artificially inflate my desire to argue. It's a waste of liiiiiife.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on June 08, 2009, 02:42:08 pm
How about you go and have a reaaaaaaly long and hard think about whether it matters if there were any planes or not, then if you think it does matter in the big scheme of things, think about the impact and such and weigh that against my time and yours and perhaps I will answer your so far seemingly pointless question.

It is on the order of Zionist Nukes. In essence for those who can't figure it out yet.... it really doesn't matter what caused the towers to collapse other than the fact that it was an inside job. If we somehow as a Nation get to the point where we are holding individuals responsible it may have some relevance in figuring out who supplied what  specific technology.

Please refer to my earlier post on this thread.

Thanks
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Unintelligable Name on June 08, 2009, 02:43:36 pm
Please refer to my earlier post on this thread.

Thanks

For what possible purpose?

Plausible: Superficially pleasing or persuasive

My point is still lost on the folks of this thread... in favor of what exactly? Oh right...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on July 28, 2009, 12:59:53 pm
iff micro-nukes were used @ WTC 1 and 2 on September 11 2001, how long before the epidemic of cancers start to result? is anyone tracking those people who may no longer be resident in New York?

also, wasn't there a EMP (nuke associated) hit that took down the communication network on teh day, or was it just because there was a telephone broadcast tower on top of WTC 1 or 2?

Mike
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Biggs on July 28, 2009, 01:51:33 pm
iff micro-nukes were used @ WTC 1 and 2 on September 11 2001, how long before the epidemic of cancers start to result? is anyone tracking those people who may no longer be resident in New York?

also, wasn't there a EMP (nuke associated) hit that took down the communication network on teh day, or was it just because there was a telephone broadcast tower on top of WTC 1 or 2?

Mike


there have been a significant number of exotic cancers and people with effects similar to Gulf War Syndrome, but micro nukes are by definition only micro so it would not be expected to see vast numbers, and of course any lung related cancers could very easily be asbestososis.

micro nukes - even if only used for a small element of the demolition, would explain the tiny particle sizes found, although they do not replace the thermite theory by any means, in my view they are complementary, especially if used in the basement or on one or two key floors.

if they had been used on every floor I am sure we would have seen more squibs

further, as they are micro nukes the EMP effect would be small, but it could explain why the phones went down, although clearly so could other factors such as a large fire in the WTC taking out the electric supply etc.

I suspect there was some limited use of micro nukes, but they were an addendum to the main demolition method of thermite/ate

that would explain some of the stuff found in the drain water and the nano particles, but also explain why more obvious signs of micro nukes were not witnessed, which surely would been the case if we had 110 lots of micronukes - twice over, plus WTC 7

 
 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on July 28, 2009, 02:51:51 pm
the molten metal in the FIVE STOREY basements of WTCs is the proper smoking gun, IMHO

but as much corroborative effort on the micro-nuke stuff either way would be great

:)

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Biggs on July 28, 2009, 04:54:36 pm
the molten metal in the FIVE STOREY basements of WTCs is the proper smoking gun, IMHO

but as much corroborative effort on the micro-nuke stuff either way would be great

:)


it certainly would but do not hold your breath there is too much division over such things at the moment and only the very mainstream 9-11 demolition theories are being explored in depth.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Unintelligable Name on July 28, 2009, 06:17:17 pm
Oh no not again....

Ed Ward is a loose cannon who thinks Alex Jones and the "BYU crew" are traitors to the United States for their 'cover-up' of the zionist 'jukes' (jew nukes) at the WTC towers.

He was debated over many pages, with the topic ultimately locked on my closing statements of "F**k you Ed Ward."

Aside from his personal trip -- yeah it's possible some small, very small, nuclear device was used -- given the presence of plutonium and so much pyroclastic dust... but a bomb's a bomb in my book so I care very little.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Biggs on July 29, 2009, 01:56:08 pm
it is alright there is not about to be a big debate on the topic on this thread, I agree Ed Ward himself is by no means the be all and end all of the debate, will we ever find out for sure? who knows!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on July 29, 2009, 02:42:52 pm
yeah it's possible some small, very small, nuclear device was used -- given the presence of plutonium and so much pyroclastic dust.

Imagine if the MSM had balls and ran with the findings (if there are findings) of such a revelation of that sad day.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Unintelligable Name on July 29, 2009, 03:55:16 pm
Imagine if the MSM had balls and ran with the findings (if there are findings) of such a revelation of that sad day.

I'd rather they didn't... wouldn't go over well in the minds of men and women of our country.

"Were nuclear bombs used to blow up the WTC?"

"OMFG AL QAIDA HAS SUIT CASE NUKES!?!?"

Yeah..... I know what you were implying... but that ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on July 29, 2009, 04:07:15 pm
Steven Jones who has postulated and proven the nanothermite claim has a background in nuclear physics and has ruled out that possibility at the WTC.  I dont understand how these ideas gain ground when they have been shot down and legit tangible scenarios have been set forth.
There has been nano thermite found at the site put this crap to rest and spend time speculating on the existence of bigfoot.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Biggs on July 30, 2009, 05:19:16 pm
rather than complaining why not tell us what nanothermite is, or even better give a link.

I was unaware of his findings, as are most people, and the idea that some form of micro nuke was used, however, insignificant to the whole demolition, is very widespread within the movement, far more so than no planes or scalar weaponary.

hence it would be useful if you provide such info, or even a link, it is more constructive than childish comments about bigfoot, and indeed it would be a service to spreading truth, unlike complaining.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: BernieMadoff on September 11, 2009, 03:47:42 am
well those planes had to go somewhere right? and the people too.

i just dont see how the no plane theory even came to light.

if the criminals had people and planes to dispose of, then why would they like an earlier poster said, spend more money on some hologram technology, plus other explosives for when they hit the towers, instead of just using what would work anyways, which would be the real planes carrying the real poeple they need to dispose of anyways.

seems like EXTREME disinfo
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheCaliKid on September 11, 2009, 03:53:37 am
No planes sucks
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Treetrunk on September 15, 2009, 12:37:50 am
I'm sure this has been covered here, but there is something that has always bugged me about the "no planers" movement and I feel the need to go into it.

The first thing I thought when I saw a video trying to prove that there were no planes used on 9/11 was that it would be really stupid (if the government did fake the planes using CGI) to use in all of the videos and photographs a plane that does not match the plane it is supposed to represent.

Why would they take all of the 9/11 footage and cover up missiles or space beams with an image of a plane that doesn't look like the plane it's supposed to be? If this was planned so far in advance then why not use a CGI model that looks like a normal commercial airliner? It's not like they would have been scratching their heads on the tenth saying "Gee, we should probably have some workable CGI models of the planes so we can cut and paste them later...oh no, we've run out of time...looks like we'll have to use that already existing CGI model of a military drone plane that we were gonna use as a 3-D GIF logo on our new military tech website..."

To that you could say, "Well, in that case why use an ACTUAL plane that doesn't look like the right type of plane, why not use a pretty white plane with windows and logos on it?"

Clearly they used a plane dark in colour with something on it's belly. This has been said by some to be a remote guidance pod, is that correct information? Anyway, there is definetley a bulge there and seeings as those bulges are not on regular planes that would lead me to think that the plane was chosen for it's functional abilities rather than it's likeness to the plane that  it was meant to represent.

So they needed planes with bulges underneath them, planes with bulges that could stunt-double for the actual passenger planes said to have been used in the attacks. That would explain to me why the pictures and videos of the second plane look so unusual, it wasn't chosen because it looks like the plane it's standing in for, it was chosen because it would work well enough for both purposes (destroying the WTC/posing as a passenger aircraft).

I can see that meeting in my mind and it makes more sense, "gee, if we do it like that we'll need a remote guided plane with similiar characteristics to a passenger jet...do we have anything like that?"

If you follow the "no planes" theory then there is no excuse for the plane to be dark in colour and have a pod under it's fuselage. It's just a very stupid thing to do.

If you follow the "two planes" evidence then it's still an error on their part to have used such a plane, but understandable because they would have only used it out of necessity. I'm sure the plane they used was the best choice out of the whole bunch...all of the special features needed to wreak havoc plus it looks about right and would fool the average person looking at it.

I've seen no planers post things like "Why would the NWO use nano-thermite and planted detonations inside the WTC if there really were planes, they wouldn't have needed to blow it up, the planes would have done it..."

I really have seen comments like that and it bothers me because the whole point of why you would need to plant bombs in the buildings is that flying two planes into them could not have brought them down that way. And these same people are watching videos telling them not just that the planes aren't real, but factual stuff mixed in...factual stuff like two planes could not have taken down the world trade center.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 19, 2009, 09:55:22 am
Please check out this seminar by Andrew jackson and make your own mind up.
I spoke to Andrew Personally last week, below is a copy of his message.

adjuk
Re:upload permission
Hi there,

Thanks for contacting me! Quick message before I go to bed. Please upload any of my videos to your channel.

Yeah, I had to get chips at the BK talk I did - I had no time to get food having driven up from Derby - tends to be a problem at these events. I do like fish and chips though!!

I very much doubt Alex Jones would have myself or Dr Judy Wood on his programme. If I was invited, I would probably decline anyway. To understand why, have a look at this page if you wish.


http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202&Itemid=60

The grey coloured paragraph is the main bit

This is included in my free e-book too (PDF download is free):

http://tinyurl.com/911book

There are many who are only giving you "a bit of truth" and then leading people off in the wrong direction in other matters. The give away is when they get angry and stark attacking people instead of discussing the actual evidence they are presenting.
Steve Jones and Molten Aluminium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnkCYFGH9Y
On 07 Jun 2006 on the Alex Jones show, Dr Steven E Jones claimed that Molten Aluminium is Silvery at *ALL* temperatures in daylight conditions .

This claim is false. Why would an educated physicist repeatedly make such a false claim?

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/Aluminum_Glows.html


Message to Alex Jones, please try to get Andrew on your show to discuss these topics in a fair and balanced manner, (Not a Peter Joeseph witch hunt)
I think you will find many of the topics Andrew and Judy Wood bring to light do actually make a lot of sense, also backed up with plenty of scientific evidence.
Put the doubters to rest, by showing them you are not intentionally avoiding this issue please.

Rogue Penguin
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 19, 2009, 10:04:02 am

Please check out this seminar by Andrew johnson and make your own mind up.
I spoke to Andrew Personally last week, below is a copy of his message.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRoguepenguin#p/c/01278E048D044761    playlist for Andrew Johnson

adjuk
Re:upload permission
Hi there,

Thanks for contacting me! Quick message before I go to bed. Please upload any of my videos to your channel.

Yeah, I had to get chips at the BK talk I did - I had no time to get food having driven up from Derby - tends to be a problem at these events. I do like fish and chips though!!

I very much doubt Alex Jones would have myself or Dr Judy Wood on his programme. If I was invited, I would probably decline anyway. To understand why, have a look at this page if you wish.


http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202&Itemid=60

The grey coloured paragraph is the main bit

This is included in my free e-book too (PDF download is free):

http://tinyurl.com/911book

There are many who are only giving you "a bit of truth" and then leading people off in the wrong direction in other matters. The give away is when they get angry and stark attacking people instead of discussing the actual evidence they are presenting.
Steve Jones and Molten Aluminium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnkCYFGH9Y
On 07 Jun 2006 on the Alex Jones show, Dr Steven E Jones claimed that Molten Aluminium is Silvery at *ALL* temperatures in daylight conditions .

This claim is false. Why would an educated physicist repeatedly make such a false claim?

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/Aluminum_Glows.html


Message to Alex Jones, please try to get Andrew on your show to discuss these topics in a fair and balanced manner, (Not a Peter Joeseph witch hunt)
I think you will find many of the topics Andrew and Judy Wood bring to light do actually make a lot of sense, also backed up with plenty of scientific evidence.
Put the doubters to rest, by showing them you are not intentionally avoiding this issue please.

Rogue Penguin
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: davidnay on December 19, 2009, 10:22:31 am
I don't know enough about molecular physics and what not to have an educated opinion on this subject, but when you look at both sides and listen to their arguements it becomes clear who is telling the truth and who is not. There have been numerous experiments and research papers validating Stevens Jones' claims which are backed up by the scientific method used to reach those conclusions. All you have is a 47 sec Youtube video(with no video) and and a couple of random photos claiming to be of red hot Molten Aluminium. Please.. Do you have anything else?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Optimus on December 19, 2009, 10:44:39 am
Are you trying to say that the molten material pouring out of the WTC tower is molten aluminum from the plane?

Quote
Steve Jones and Molten Aluminium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnkCYFGH9Y
On 07 Jun 2006 on the Alex Jones show, Dr Steven E Jones claimed that Molten Aluminium is Silvery at *ALL* temperatures in daylight conditions .

This video is misleading as the pictures in it DO NOT show molten aluminum being poured in DAYLIGHT conditions, but rather indoors in low light.

Molten aluminum does appear to have a yellow-orange appearance where there is low light conditions, such as a furnace:

(http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2006/Feb/18/FPI602180326AR_b.jpg)

However, in daylight it appears SILVER. Here is molten aluminum from the same foundry as it is being poured in the daylight:

(http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2006/Feb/18/FPI602180326V1_b.jpg)

And here is reddish molten aluminum in a foundry:

(http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_191010AA.jpg)

But when it is poured it looks silver-colored (this is the same molten aluminum being poured a couple of seconds later):

(http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_191137AA.jpg)

(http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_191150AA.jpg)

More info: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/11/dr-jones-is-right-molten-aluminum-is.html


Sorry, Dr. Jones is correct, molten aluminum pouring down in the daylight is silver colored and the molten metal pouring from the WTC building could not be aluminum from the plane.

(http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/docs/st_spouts.jpg)


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on December 19, 2009, 11:13:33 am
Molten alluminium can glow orange but only if its 1000 plus degrees celcius... according to NIST's metallurgy study the fires were no hotter than 600 celcius. Even if the fires were hotter than 1000 celcius, the alluminium would just heat up to 700 celcius, melt and then flow away from the fire and cool. the only way that could be alluminium is if the alluminium was contained so that it could reach 1000 celcius... but then it wouldnt have poured out! ... also in one video it isnt just pouring out its spraying out!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: trailhound on December 19, 2009, 11:26:43 am
Molten alluminium can glow orange but only if its 1000 plus degrees celcius... according to NIST's metallurgy study the fires were no hotter than 600 celcius. Even if the fires were hotter than 1000 celcius, the alluminium would just heat up to 700 celcius, melt and then flow away from the fire and cool. the only way that could be alluminium is if the alluminium was contained so that it could reach 1000 celcius... but then it wouldnt have poured out! ... also in one video it isnt just pouring out its spraying out!

 Yep looks like penguin needs to punt..

 DEW weapons are not off my radar though   :-\
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 19, 2009, 11:40:24 am
I wasn't posting this information to get into a heated debate about who is right or wrong guys.
Regardless of whether you think Molten Aliminium is Silver or Yellow in appearance. Please bear in mind that silicone from the windows and other office furniture could be mixed in with it.

Yellow liquid poring out of the window does not mean 100 pct that it is Thermite/Thermate.

For a long time i have went along with the thermate crowd, but to be honest untill someone can demonstrate to me how this can be done, to simulate what actually happened on the day of collapse, i still have plenty of questions.

Think about this, if the 2 towers were actually imploded by thermate, why do we not see 1 orange glow as the towers collapse. All we see is everything turning to dust.
And all we have to go on for evidence of molten metal is a picture of a digger, and a few eye witness testimonies. Where is the f**king video footage of all this molten metal pouring down the rails??

To be honest i don't think anyone actually watches the Judy wood info all the way through, they just violently oppose it from the get go.

I'm no genuis, but i'm statring to smell rats everywhere as to what the real truth of that day was.
Please watch the whole seminar by Andrew Johnston i posted on my youtube, link is at the top of post.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: davidnay on December 19, 2009, 11:48:20 am
I wasn't posting this information to get into a heated debate about who is right or wrong guys.
Regardless of whether you think Molten Aliminium is Silver or Yellow in appearance. Please bear in mind that silicone from the windows and other office furniture could be mixed in with it.



Office furniture/supplies mixed in with the Molten Aluminium has been ruled out as the cause for the red glow. Sorry I don't have a link but I remember reading a very thorough research paper absolutely ruling that out. Can anyone find this link? It's a pdf..
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: agentbluescreen on December 19, 2009, 11:55:19 am
(http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/docs/st_spouts.jpg)

Note in the photos above that the ONLY POSSIBLE supposed 6-700 degree (understandable office furniture and plane wreckage) "fire" who's RISING heat is what is supposed to be "melting stuff" in the widely disproved and impossible "19 hijackers conspiracy theory" is almost TWO FLOORS ABOVE AND WAY TO THE LEFT OF the melting molten steel, that appears to be dripping out from the building's core columns along a collapsed floor gash cut by the escaping jet engine that blew the rounded two floor high hole out the side we are looking in at the heavily steel core-surrounded concrete core through (on an angle view)!!

(http://concretecore.741.com/images/wtccoreshilouette.jpg)
View the angular viewed-shape and location of the concrete cores here: http://concretecore.741.com/

Even though the light is somewhat shaded silver-white pourable-drippable flowing "liquid" aluminum at 1100 degrees is still not hot enough to melt steel, even if there had been a fire UNDER it to bring it to such a temperature!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on December 19, 2009, 12:00:49 pm
okay,

I'm on part 4 of 14, it looks like this guy's a NO PLANER and despite that I'll finish all the parts. That's what people should do, watch all the evidence for themselves before making a decision. An interestingly knowledgable Scouse audience, too.

:)

Mike
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 19, 2009, 12:10:46 pm
Thank you mike, i respect the fact that you will actually watch his info.
And i'n not so niave to believe everything said in them lectures.
But at the very least it will make you think again about certain issues.

Collapsing your reality one way or the other as to what happened on that day isn't easy, i was always similarly minded that all no planers were nutjobs.
Now to be honest im 50/50

The questions Mr president the questions.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: davidnay on December 19, 2009, 12:34:17 pm
okay,

I'm on part 4 of 14, it looks like this guy's a NO PLANER and despite that I'll finish all the parts. That's what people should do, watch all the evidence for themselves before making a decision. An interestingly knowledgable Scouse audience, too.

:)

Mike

Could you post the link? I can't find it...
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 19, 2009, 12:54:03 pm
Andrew Johnson Free online DVD links

http://tinyurl.com/911dvds#911ft
http://tinyurl.com/911ftt

Original link from my youtube site http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRoguepenguin#p/c/01278E048D044761
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: davidnay on December 19, 2009, 01:55:32 pm
Andrew Johnson Free online DVD links

http://tinyurl.com/911dvds#911ft
http://tinyurl.com/911ftt

Original link from my youtube site http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRoguepenguin#p/c/01278E048D044761

I'm on the 4th video now. So far not much of a scientific analysis at all. More casual observations and laymen speculation than anything else. I'll keep watching though. I'm curious if you have watched Richard Gage's '9/11: Blueprint for Truth' and if so what did you think?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 19, 2009, 02:54:58 pm
Oh yes, i have watched all that stuff years ago.
Im up to speed with the thermite/ added sulphur to make thermate senario.
Even registered on ae911truth petition.

We all know that 911 was a planned event, but 3 years later the thermate thing isn't growing any legs , even after Danish Scientist Niels Harrit published his paper.

My question is even if thermate was capable of blowing up the towers, why didn't we see like the roman candle of red molten thermite charateristics during the collapse.
When i look at the collapse again, all i see is steel and concrete turning to dust, with the aftermath not even accounting for up to 2/3ds of the rubble pile that should have been there.

I'm not saying believe me, all i want to see is this subject getting more credance, instead of being instantly dismissed as No planer/space beam crackpots.
OK your saying there is no existance for DEW either... well the Hutchinson effect, HAARP, project bluebeam, look at the new irish free energy tech on display this week , ORBO Technology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Go-CrM_llE

I would love to see Alex engage in a rational discussion on this topic, and get off the train of thought that DEW's are just co-intel.
Some people have really done some good background digging on this subject, come on people, were are really on the same page here.. We just want the truth.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on December 19, 2009, 03:11:55 pm
right, I'm done

interesting attack on Steven Jones (whatever)

the real thing missing for me was the MECHANISM for this DEW (directed energy weapon that's not a laser beam and not a particle beam but a microwave resonance??) - what was the source? Where was it situated and how did it work?  There was a space shuttle over the scene of the NY crime at the time, mind ...  not-LOL.

Need to do more research ... and the NO PLANER aspect of this 9-11 presentation, hard to swallow, easy to choke on. Can someone Heimlich me?

that's better, now to do more resaerch into Directed Energy Weapons... in preparation of a brand-new blog post about this latest Black Project stuff.

Oh, and let's none of us forget, 9-11 IS A THIRTY YEAR CONSPIRACY (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=149924.0), according to Sen Bob Kerrey. Whatever that means.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 19, 2009, 03:24:10 pm
Thats fine Mike, thanks for watching anyway.
Be as Skeptical as you like... Just don't close your mind!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on December 19, 2009, 03:25:56 pm
I didn't say I'd closed my mind, what I said was, "What's the MECHANISM for the DEW?"

:)

I'm all ears and thanks for sharing the vids - though it was exhausting to watch.

Thats fine Mike, thanks for watching anyway.
Be as Skeptical as you like... Just don't close your mind!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 19, 2009, 03:46:48 pm
I didn't start this thread to spoon feed you the answer to one of the best laid mastermind false flag events in history, i started it to give another perspective.
Free energy tech, aint exactly mainstream.
But for my reasoning it actually makes more logical sense in my mind than 100's of tones of pre planted nano thermate.
The sheer amazment when i found out that there was a cat 5 hurricane (hurricaine Erin 2001) just off the coast on 911 at 7am and wasn't even reported on the weather channel, in itself raised a few alarm bells.( but im sure people will question that too, rather than take 5 mins to go check out the weather database for themselves and look at the storm data)

What if Andrew is right? What if thermite is a side track that we are being deliberatley driven down in order to stall for time.
What if DEW and thermate was used? have you done any research into the hutchinson effect?

I'm not co-intel believe me, im just a regular guy with questions. trying to wake up to not find myself asleep.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Mike Philbin on December 19, 2009, 03:55:51 pm
I did a quick bit of research just then and found out that Nikola Tesla nearly brought his apartment block down by using just a 15 lb block rotating at just the right height for the building....

Wasn't there an Israeli Art Installation in WTC at some point???  Couldn't something have been set up WITHIN THE BUILDING to set the resonance off????  Or is the D.E.W. a projected enregy weapon that can be fired from some distant location?

That's what I'm asking ... aka just shootin' the shit.

:)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: davidnay on December 19, 2009, 03:56:00 pm
My question is even if thermate was capable of blowing up the towers, why didn't we see like the roman candle of red molten thermite charateristics during the collapse.
When i look at the collapse again, all i see is steel and concrete turning to dust, with the aftermath not even accounting for up to 2/3ds of the rubble pile that should have been there.

Why would you necessarily expect to see the 'roman candle' charateristics DURING the collapse? With all that pulverized dust expanding outward you shouldn't expect to see what is going on behind it unless you have super x-ray vision. The real question is what's causing the pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete and metal? The 'roman candle' effect was captured on video only minutes before collapse which makes perfect sense if the thermate hypothesis is correct.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 19, 2009, 04:10:52 pm
Tesla was a fascinating fella, perhaps you may find this audio of interest, of Dr Nick Begich on veritas show last week.

Angels Don't Play This HAARP; Advances in Tesla Technology. And weather modification.
You will also hear the stunning interview of Judy Wood on there from the previous week

http://www.veritasshow.com/veritasplayer.html
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: agentbluescreen on December 19, 2009, 05:55:29 pm
Steel turned into dust?  Then what did they ship off to China?
Silent demolition? What about the 20 huge explosions? (not 110 pancake-klangs) Boom boom boom - all the way down! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iya_s7J7K6Y)
Only 47 "enormous interior" steel columns and 236 exterior columns? what about the steel reinforced concrete/rebar core?

Quite a rambling, disjointed, unscientific, contrived and convoluted collection of folklore, hyperbole and character assassination but I'm suspicious and completely unimpressed. When one looks at this far-out LSD induced collection of claptrap one must naturally not only look at the british accented counter-intelligence source but ask the key question que bono?

The key to good counter-intelligence disinformation is always "good playback".

In other words, include as many unprovable, unscientific and easily debunkable half truths as possible to make the other half truths in the contrived thesis seem to be really likely and really plausible conclusions in such manner that at least a few of the elements of that alternate theory thesis can be easily tossed out, leaving the same wrong conclusions that benefit your side undisturbed while also conveniently detracting from the far more dangerous truths of the far more damaging truth.  

In this money-grubbing Aussie diatribe, we find several underlying factors that speak for an inside co-intelpro job:

-we are asked to believe that the airplanes that we saw fly into the towers were "something else"
-we are to believe that hundreds of witnesses and their eyes, ears and cameras were all fooled or wrong
-we are to believe that a single camera on a helicopter manufactured such a plane crash "illusion"
-we are to believe that some weird Tesla Coil voodoo changed all the laws of science, physics and forensics at ground zero
-we are to believe that some alien gremlins with a "spinning black box" have ruined the space-time continuum at ground zero
-we are to believe that it was once again "just a few extremists in the wrong places that we must STILL fear"
-we are to believe that some supernatural force other than water leakage, blast percussion weakening, chemical contamination and plain old rust caused restorers to scrub efforts to patch up Bankers Trust
-we are to believe that Dr Steven Jones, AE911 truth and Scholars are all wanton, unscientific disinfo opportunist double agents protecting somebody or something with a big Tesla Voodoo stick
-we are to believe that somebody or something smuggled in tons of Philadelphia Experiment gear into a building that is not in sea water to repeat some new version of that coincidentally ill-fated experiment on that coincidental day
-we are to believe that Voodoo Waves can permanently and temporarily radically change the physical, material and metallurgical properties of Red Bull cans
-we are to believe that a veritable who's who of the corporatist military-industrial political bureaucratic CIA Mafia oligarchy are all "watching his website" out of fear that he'll "spill the beans" rather than eagerly checking in to see how their double agent "Truther plant" is progressing with his cointel op.
-we are to believe that attacking Dr Steven Jones personally (the oldest and shabbiest cointelpro trick in the book)  is not an outright sign of cointelpro (so he posts this shabby and belated "drip color" make-up effort here)
-we are to believe that Marvin Bush and Securacom had nothing to do with suspicious and unwarranted "elevator core upgrades" suspicious "drilling operations" on rotating unused floors, suspicious "weekend power downs" nor suspicious "internet wiring upgrades" with the air conditioning systems shut down in WTC 1 and 2
-we are to believe that there was no sequence of concrete core explosions nor early morning basement explosions that initiated the demolition sequences after the nano-Thermates had done their steel melting core support preparatory work, though we have the soundtracks to prove it.
-we are to believe that the NIST gatekeepers all experts in Thermate and incendiary weapons who did not even test for any such evidence nor allow for such scenario modeling in their pre-arrived-at non-investigative conclusions could have no part in the cover up or the crimes.
-we are to believe that respected scientists who have found conclusive evidence of Thermitic incendiary nodules in ground zero dust are all "crackpots"
-we are to believe that all the unprecedented military stand downs, pre-rescinded interception orders and multiple pre-scheduled "exercises" like "Amalgam(Fake) Virgo(Innocence)" coordinated to be able to give the hijackers a "green light day" for their little false-flag black op were all mere coincidence
-we are to believe that the entire Daniel Chapter 8 Show that Mossad agents came here weeks before just to film was just the work of a handful of bad guys with a Tesla coil.

EPIC FAIL

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: agentbluescreen on December 19, 2009, 06:14:10 pm
Oh I forgot that the FBI Mafia recently brazenly admitted to still be hiding the duly recovered black boxes of those "things  - that we are asked to believe that weren't planes" that made those funny holes in the WTC Towers to this day....
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 20, 2009, 12:38:04 am
Congratulations, on the first real passionate debunking rant on this topic. To be honest i expected a heck of a lot more smackdowns from the VET prison planet members.
So seeing anyone go into much detail about debunking DEW always makes me smile. I can see how you want to hold on to your sanity by rationalising every single unknown with such feverent vigor.
After all the entire point of forums like this, is to discuss and share information, with an intention of getting to the bottom of some of the biggest deceptions of our time.

I am a big Alex jones fan, have been a member for 2 years now. I think most of the information he exposes is right on target.
So don't for 1 minute think that i am some co-intel alex Jones debunker.

You are obviously a very intelligent fella, and have done a lot of research on the subject. Big respect.

Now let me make a parallel please between some of the wording in your so called scientific debunking post underneath. To what most of us have had to put up with from the mainstream media over believing the "conventional" Demolition thermite explanation.

Quotes by Agentbluescreen are as follows
"When one looks at this far-out LSD induced collection of claptrap"    Highly educated Strawman comment 1
"the british accented counter-intelligence source"  Wonderfull example of how all British subjects are Co-intel, hats off to you there "
"wrong conclusions that benefit your side undisturbed"  Implying that i am picking sides, how nice of you to think that.
"In this money-grubbing Aussie diatribe" Highly educated rational comment 2, extremely ignorant and racist.
"Tesla Coil voodoo"  Wonderfull technical explanation of the Tesla effect
"alien gremlins with a "spinning black box" have ruined the space-time continuum at ground zero"  Love this one does the word strawman mean anything to you?
"Tesla Voodoo stick"  Bravo
"smuggled in tons of Philadelphia Experiment gear into a building"  I suppose it's easier to smuggle 100 tonnes of Thermate
"Voodoo Waves"  are you perhaps a shaman?
"see how their double agent "Truther plant" is progressing with his cointel op"  Thanks again for the well reasoned, fair and balance explanation of what a truther is.

These are just a few of your malicious strawman, attacks on this thread.
So interesting to me when people have to stoop this low in order to appeal to the more nethanderal simple minded truthers out there who are addicted to drama and controversy.

I'm glad that there are people like you who can fully grasp the concept of divide and Conquer, and thankyou for thinking that all the "No Planers "and "Voodoo Wavers" are just here to screw with your more plausible theory of Controlled thermite demolition.
I wouldn't like you to think for 1 minute that we are all the same conscious beings with minds of our own, who have the same basic premise, to expose the Official NIST report as an alternative product for toilet paper.

Please what will be next to shoo away all the pesky "No planer's" and "Voodoo Wavers"  personal attacks??











Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 20, 2009, 01:35:25 am
Steel turned into dust?  Then what did they ship off to China?

Could you please send me your video footage, and or receipts of the steel that was shipped to china tyvm
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 20, 2009, 01:50:34 am
Also i am looking for the video footage of the "molten steel"  not a piucture of some spartacles coming out of a window, not 1  picture of a digger with orange cheetos in its claw.
HARD 20 FPS Video footage of Pools of Molten steel, so much so that i can feal the heat this side of the camera, blinding me with the incredible luminscecant orange firey glow.
Lets have some footage of some firemen braving the underground crucible of molten steel, wiping the sweat of their brow from the intense heat.

Tyvm
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: davidnay on December 20, 2009, 12:49:05 pm
Also i am looking for the video footage of the "molten steel"  not a piucture of some spartacles coming out of a window, not 1  picture of a digger with orange cheetos in its claw.
HARD 20 FPS Video footage of Pools of Molten steel, so much so that i can feal the heat this side of the camera, blinding me with the incredible luminscecant orange firey glow.
Lets have some footage of some firemen braving the underground crucible of molten steel, wiping the sweat of their brow from the intense heat.

Tyvm

If the images don't impress you what about the tons of eye witness accounts of 'streams' of molten steel flowing within the wreakage at ground zero -weeks and months after collapse?
And what about the thermal satellite footage? As far as video footage - You're making the assumption that video cameras were allowed inside ground zero.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on December 21, 2009, 01:49:17 am
Well the existing evidence for molten metal sadly does not impress me no im sorry. There i've said it.
Doesn't it seem strange to you that that type of effect, i.e. rivers of molten metal wouldn't have been recorded for posterity? for empirical evidence to aid the official investigation?
Does it not strike you as odd that the media were not allowed to cover the aftermath in any great detail?
Does it not strike you as odd, that the clean up operation was carried out before the investigation?
Doest it seem strange that a whole year passed before they decided to actually start a low level investigation?
Does the FBI/Homicide Squad normally clean up the evidence of a murder scene before they investigate it?

If none of these questions spark foul play in your mind, i would seriously take a long hard look in the mirror, i mean seriously look yourself in the eye and tell yourself that none of these questions have any weight at all, and that you have not been conditioned to think a certain way about 911.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: davidnay on December 21, 2009, 07:14:08 pm
Well the existing evidence for molten metal sadly does not impress me no im sorry. There i've said it.
Doesn't it seem strange to you that that type of effect, i.e. rivers of molten metal wouldn't have been recorded for posterity? for empirical evidence to aid the official investigation?
Does it not strike you as odd that the media were not allowed to cover the aftermath in any great detail?
Does it not strike you as odd, that the clean up operation was carried out before the investigation?
Doest it seem strange that a whole year passed before they decided to actually start a low level investigation?
Does the FBI/Homicide Squad normally clean up the evidence of a murder scene before they investigate it?

If none of these questions spark foul play in your mind, i would seriously take a long hard look in the mirror, i mean seriously look yourself in the eye and tell yourself that none of these questions have any weight at all, and that you have not been conditioned to think a certain way about 911.

We both agree that there was a massive cover up and that planes or fire did not cause the buildings to collapse. I think what we disagree on is HOW the buildings fell.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Phasmatis on January 03, 2010, 10:54:44 am
A scientist who does not have enough self respect to stick to the science should simply not be allowed to practice science. I am sick and tired of seeing science being used as a political tool and full of liars.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: carlee on January 15, 2010, 09:11:38 am
Imagine if it was a weapon what kind of madmen would implement it...I don't even like to think about it.maybe someone who wanted to change the News....
 Imagine if such high tech weapons were used to bring down the world trade center towers
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on January 15, 2010, 09:15:20 am
 Imagine if such high tech weapons were used to bring down the world trade center towers

well that is proven disinfo, so not sure where you are going with that one.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: carlee on January 15, 2010, 09:45:10 am
well that is proven disinfo, so not sure where you are going with that one.
 why would it not be possible?  have you ever read the book The X Files: Ground Zero - Anderson Kevin J  
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on January 15, 2010, 09:48:02 am
just to throw it out there, I agree with carlee.  I think some kind of satellite beam was used to demolish the towers.  right before both planes crash into the towers, you can clearly see a bright flash, the moment before impact, both times, in all the footage.

wTf  is that flash?  I think it's from satellites flying over head, who knows what kind of "star wars" satellite weaponry the military has?

thats why I think the entire structure was just vaporized like it was.  Others have hypothesized micro-nukes, which I also think was possible.

All I do know is nano-thermite was def used, as it has been physically tested for from the WTC dust.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on January 15, 2010, 10:24:36 am
just to throw it out there, I agree with carlee.  I think some kind of satellite beam was used to demolish the towers.  right before both planes crash into the towers, you can clearly see a bright flash, the moment before impact, both times, in all the footage.

wTf  is that flash?  I think it's from satellites flying over head, who knows what kind of "star wars" satellite weaponry the military has?

thats why I think the entire structure was just vaporized like it was.  Others have hypothesized micro-nukes, which I also think was possible.

All I do know is nano-thermite was def used, as it has been physically tested for from the WTC dust.


flash could be about 1,000 different things other than star wars weapons. could be a laser guidance of some type to guide the plane into the building.

But the use of the Tesla earthquake machine has been rebuked under the following obvious pieces of evidence:

1] this was not an earthquake as it would have affected the other buildings.

2] there was evidence of TONS of nanothermite

3] Molten pools of steel is not the effect of an earthquake

4] this was a precision attack and three buildings were blown up with shape charge evidence having the buildings end up in a pile of nicely organized lincoln logs of steel beams. Earthquakes and energy weapons do not do this.

There are hundreds of other pieces of evidence and the ones pushing this theory are the same ones pushing "it was the joooos" and no-planer disinformation.

please do not fall for it.

thanks
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: kushfiend on January 15, 2010, 10:37:50 am
flash could be about 1,000 different things other than star wars weapons. could be a laser guidance of some type to guide the plane into the building.

But the use of the Tesla earthquake machine has been rebuked under the following obvious pieces of evidence:

1] this was not an earthquake as it would have affected the other buildings.

2] there was evidence of TONS of nanothermite

3] Molten pools of steel is not the effect of an earthquake

4] this was a precision attack and three buildings were blown up with shape charge evidence having the buildings end up in a pile of nicely organized lincoln logs of steel beams. Earthquakes and energy weapons do not do this.

There are hundreds of other pieces of evidence and the ones pushing this theory are the same ones pushing "it was the joooos" and no-planer disinformation.

please do not fall for it.

thanks

good points.

flash really could've been anything.

All the evidence points to nano thermite, being either painted on or some other means of application, in the few weeks prior to 9/11 when they were clearing out whole floors, allowing only mysterious work crews in or out.

Ever since the movie "enemy of the state" i've become super paranoid about satellite weaponry is all.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on February 28, 2010, 10:19:41 am
1/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU

2/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrnvI0N9rKg

3/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOzBUFOR8

4/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6bUW3RczGA

5/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-brf4LBiE

6/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlck_uf1-ZE

7/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcsztFp105g

8/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEZ2OHaxUw

9/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXRICy-k6DY

10/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 57s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMeygS9QOOY

Quote
Theo Chalmers discusses 9/11, Directed Energy Weapons, The Hutchison Effect, Hurricane Erin and Dr Judy Wood's legal case against NIST's contractors.

Wake up everyone - you're being lied to!

They included a number of images of John Hutchison's metal samples which I didn't supply and weren't discussed with me before and copies were not sent to Dr Judy.

Although you may say "no harm done", the key images which were NOT shown, were, I feel, the ones which "brought things together". They were slides 85 - 90 of the images I sent (archived here in the JPGs folder and in the PPT file)

http://www.checktheevidence.com/Presentations/index.php?dir=911/EdgeMedia/


This meant viewers were not able to see the WTC evidence and Hutchison Effect evidence side by side.

Though I saw on the list some new images had been added, I assumed some or all of my original ones would have been kept and those "new" images may augment our presentation. Sadly, the Hutchison Effect images on their own just look "odd" and so the visual link to the WTC evidence was not shown.

For more information - See
http://www.drjudydeadwood.com/
http://www.checktheretardedevidence.com/
http://www.thehutchisonsideeffect.com/
http://911thermitealmostfree.blogspot.com/
http://www.sledgemediatv.com

Thanks for Theo, Graham, Jamie, Charlotte and others at Edge Media.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 02, 2010, 03:32:26 am
Andrew Johnson:

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I was invited to go on with Ralph Winterrowd last night to talk about the Thermite cover up. For those who have not yet been able to rid themselves of thermite, perhaps this may help (unless, of course, you are attached to thermite on 9/11 - in which case, who am I to tell you what to think... ;)
 
Andrew Johnson - No Thermite on 911 - The New 911 Cover Up - Ralph Winterrowd - 01 Mar 2010 - mp4 (http://www.checktheretardevidence.com/audio/911/Andrew%20Johnson%20-%20No%20Thermite%20on%20911%20-%20The%20New%20911%20Cover%20Up%20-%20Ralph%20Winterrowd%20-%2001%20Mar%202010.mp3)
 
Or Top link:
 
http://www.checkthesillyevidence.com/audio/index.php?dir=911/&sort=date&order=desc
 
I only send it because of the re-energising of the thermite story, what with the Paul Craig Roberts article mentioning it, and this Architects and Engineers "initiative" (of intellectual herding).
 
Anyway, you can take it or leave it, for what it's worth!
 
You can also check out:
 
http://911termitefree.blogspot.com/
 
Which I have sent before, but some people on this list may not yet have seen it.
 
Some people say "It doesn't matter whether it was thermite or something else that destroyed the towers." Um - yes it does matter - for 2 reasons:
 
1) It will lead one, ultimately, to the perpetrators
2) The energy weaponry which was disclosed on 911 shows that we are slaves to the withholding of this technology and we have been scammed into using fossil fuels over the last 100 years or so.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Are you interested in what's really going on in the world, behind the facade? Then...
http://www.checkofftheevidence.com/

What happened on 9/11?
http://www.drjudydeadwood.com/
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 05, 2010, 08:42:37 am
My thoughts on these jokers should be posted here too.

Amazing how this Wood witch has co-opted so many legitimate claims pushing her phony court case to derail real legit ones.
That video is a phenomenal example of how COINTELPRO operates or how whackjobs gain attention or are given attention to obscure real investigation.  Regardless of the motivations the result is the same.
This Andrew Johnson guy says "there was NO HEAT"  WTF.  There are little balls of metal throughout the debris, reports of waves of hot wind, destroyed beams from extreme temperatures, molten pools that are not extinguished for months.  He has been refused because he is a whackjob that should be marginalized from the legitimate movement.

What a load of crap.  Cannot believe you think these two have a case.  Please use a modicum of scrutiny.


Quote
What's going in?  Does the "truth movement" actually want to achieve anything or not?
They are striving for legitimacy by ridding themselves of whackjobs like these two which is key in achieving their goals.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 12:13:57 pm
My thoughts on these jokers should be posted here too.

Amazing how this Wood witch
Witch?

Straight in with the ad hominems eh?

Well, if that's how you want to present yourself and your point of view.


has co-opted so many legitimate claims pushing her phony court case to derail real legit ones.
Could you give 5 examples of the legitimate claims then, given that there are so many?

And could you explain how her court case is/was phony, and how it managed to derail the legitimate claims?


That video is a phenomenal example of how COINTELPRO operates or how whackjobs gain attention or are given attention to obscure real investigation.  Regardless of the motivations the result is the same.
This Andrew Johnson guy says "there was NO HEAT"  WTF.
Just to clarify, what exactly does he say and what is the context?  What exactly are you referring to?  There is a moment when a woman is seen waving from the hole made by "the plane".  Obviously the temperature there is not sufficient to be burning her.  Is that the part you are talking about?  If not, exactly what part are you talking about?


There are little balls of metal throughout the debris,
Can you show some examples?


reports of waves of hot wind,
There are reports of 19 Arab hijackers too.  Obviously that is not proof.


destroyed beams from extreme temperatures,
Is this an assumption, or do you have evidence that extreme temperatures destroyed those beams?

There is a clip quite near the beginning which clearly shows a steel beam turning to dust.  How can extreme temperatures cause that?


molten pools that are not extinguished for months.
I haven't seen any real evidence of molten pools.  In the video there is a clip where there is a fireman standing where some have suggested that the molten pools are supposed to be.  Are the firemen standing in molten steel?


He has been refused because he is a whackjob that should be marginalized from the legitimate movement.
This kind of statement is pointless.  If the evidence can be proven wrong, then prove it wrong.  Calling somebody names just suggests that you can't.


What a load of crap.  Cannot believe you think these two have a case.  Please use a modicum of scrutiny.
I have.  I don't care what is popular and who calls people names.  I care about the evidence.


They are striving for legitimacy by ridding themselves of whackjobs like these two which is key in achieving their goals.
I look forward to the evidence/proof requested.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 12:15:32 pm
Andrew Johnson:

Quote
Hi,

Thanks to an additional copy of the programme sent by Steve J, I have now re-authored a DVD of the "On The Edge" Show with Dr Judy Wood and yours truly, as posted here:

http://www.checknontheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=275&Itemid=60

(Both copies of the DVD were useful as I ended up using the sound from one and the video from the other!)

I have added to the DVD the following things:

1) Some MP3 audios of Dr Judy Wood's interviews - and a couple of mine.
2) Full set of slides sent to Edge Media - including the "missing" images.
3) 4 extra short videos - "911 Key Evidence", "Thermite Free RFC", CBS Special about lack of construction at Ground Zero, 911 Morning Weather Reports
4) Documents from the Legal Case and the Hutchison Effect and other related documents

If you want a copy, please let me know. Donations of £1 (if you are in the UK) or £2.50 (if you are outside the UK) or more are requested but not required, to cover costs. If you want more than 1 copy (which you can hopefully give to others!), just let me know how many you want.

PayPal to advertisement[email protected]

You can either send the value in UK postage stamps or send a UK cheque to

Andrew"Dickhead" Johnson
XX XXX Drive
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Don't forget to include your address if I don't already have it!

Please forward this as you see fit.

Thanks for your help and support etc.

Andrew
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2010, 12:25:00 pm
*Watching now*

Thanks matrixcutter.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 05, 2010, 03:02:08 pm
Witch?

Straight in with the ad hominems eh?

Well, if that's how you want to present yourself and your point of view.

Could you give 5 examples of the legitimate claims then, given that there are so many?

And could you explain how her court case is/was phony, and how it managed to derail the legitimate claims?

Just to clarify, what exactly does he say and what is the context?  What exactly are you referring to?  There is a moment when a woman is seen waving from the hole made by "the plane".  Obviously the temperature there is not sufficient to be burning her.  Is that the part you are talking about?  If not, exactly what part are you talking about?

Can you show some examples?

There are reports of 19 Arab hijackers too.  Obviously that is not proof.

Is this an assumption, or do you have evidence that extreme temperatures destroyed those beams?

There is a clip quite near the beginning which clearly shows a steel beam turning to dust.  How can extreme temperatures cause that?

I haven't seen any real evidence of molten pools.  In the video there is a clip where there is a fireman standing where some have suggested that the molten pools are supposed to be.  Are the firemen standing in molten steel?

This kind of statement is pointless.  If the evidence can be proven wrong, then prove it wrong.  Calling somebody names just suggests that you can't.

I have.  I don't care what is popular and who calls people names.  I care about the evidence.

I look forward to the evidence/proof requested.

There was someone not so long ago that was arguing, here, that there is no proof that the world revolves around the sun.  His numbers were all wrong and any solid evidence to the contrary was either ignored or dismissed.  It is tough to say whether he was just jibing or was genuine, either way it was hogwash.  This is a similar situation and I am indifferent if you believe what you are promoting or not but feel it is encumbent for those of us that hope for some 911 truth that we combat nonsense like this. 

I wont entertain you by going through all your ridiculous questions except I will address the obvious heat issue that you are already backing away from and obfuscating.

Quote
Just to clarify, what exactly does he say and what is the context?  What exactly are you referring to?  There is a moment when a woman is seen waving from the hole made by "the plane".  Obviously the temperature there is not sufficient to be burning her.  Is that the part you are talking about?  If not, exactly what part are you talking about?

Minute 7:35 of your video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMeygS9QOOY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMeygS9QOOY)

btw

(http://ae911truth.info/show_image.php?id=41)

And i stand by the "witch" attack.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2010, 03:43:47 pm
Dr Judy Wood-9-11 The New Hiroshima

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzSN7dKSAaM
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 03:44:21 pm
There was someone not so long ago that was arguing, here, that there is no proof that the world revolves around the sun.  His numbers were all wrong and any solid evidence to the contrary was either ignored or dismissed.  It is tough to say whether he was just jibing or was genuine, either way it was hogwash.  This is a similar situation
Why, because you say so?

Ridiculous.


and I am indifferent if you believe what you are promoting or not but feel it is encumbent for those of us that hope for some 911 truth
Those of you?  As if it is only people who agree with you that are looking for truth?

Ridiculous.


I wont entertain you by going through all your ridiculous questions
Of course you won't.  You can sit there and call these people insane without any justification because you are the real 9/11 truther.


except I will address the obvious heat issue that you are already backing away from and obfuscating.
Backing away?
Obfuscating?

I asked you exactly what you were referring to because there are 10 parts to the video and heat is mentioned more than once.  I also provided one example - and not the only one given in the 10 parts (which you may or may not have even watched) - which points towards there not being high temperatures, in this case inside the towers soon after the "plane impacts".

I see you have pointed me towards a summarisation right at the end.  Thanks for at least providing something.
What did you think of the evidence given earlier in the video supporting this view? (assuming you actually watched it.)


(http://ae911truth.info/show_image.php?id=41)
A picture with some numbers on it?

What is the source of that picture?  (Before ae911 truth)


And i stand by the "witch" attack.
Of course you do.
It's not about actually addressing the evidence for you, obviously.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 04:05:43 pm
Two scientists discussing the WTC. One of them comes across as a bit of a nut IMO. Guess witch one?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&hl=en#

Dr. Judy Wood is the lone 'scientific' pillar behind the theory that directed energy beams demolished the world trade center towers. Dr. Greg Jenkins, a physicist, poses a few simple questions to Dr. Wood regarding her research. The full interview was left uncut to allow the viewer to fully and accurately assess the credibility of Dr. Judy Wood and her work.


Might want to take a look at this.....


http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2010, 04:23:24 pm
^^That interview was loaded from the start, making her out in a bad light, i'm a pod man myself, and don't believe any of the official planes hit the buildings.

*Returns to 9/11 - The New Hiroshima*

(http://www.checktheevidence.com/Presentations/911/EdgeMedia/JPGs/911-DrWoodEdgmedia-096.JPG)
I've never known of this fact before ^^
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 04:30:03 pm
^^That interview was loaded from the start, making her out in a bad light, i'm a pod man myself, and don't believe any of the official planes hit the buildings.

LOL! 

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 05, 2010, 04:30:21 pm
Two scientists discussing the WTC. One of them comes across as a bit of a nut IMO. Guess witch one?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&hl=en#

I havent seen that one.  Perfect and I am only half through.

Here is another smack down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ9-RzMtzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ9-RzMtzM)

It was almost 10 years ago we should not tolerate this fairy story crap.

Viper said
Quote
^^That interview was loaded from the start, making her out in a bad light, i'm a pod man myself, and don't believe any of the official planes hit the buildings.
WTF he practically has kid gloves on.  I have never seen anything more gentle.  WHAT??
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 05, 2010, 04:35:01 pm
hahaha
Judy Wood quote discussing debris coming down.
"somebody must have had some pennies on their window"

this is some funny shit
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2010, 04:39:58 pm
This is my first run-in with Judy and i'm enjoying this new "buildings (completely) turned to dust thingy".
Maybe it was an unknown weapon that was used, like what the f**k do we know, REALLY?
I'm not poo pooing the thermite and i'm not poo pooing the unknown weapon either.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 04:40:36 pm
Two scientists discussing the WTC. One of them comes across as a bit of a nut IMO. Guess witch one?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&hl=en#
Dr Greg Jenkins’ “Directed Debunking Energy” and Prof Judy Wood[/url]
Scholarly Questions and Inquiry, or Badgering, Misrepresentation and Harassment?
Andrew Johnson
March 1st 2007

Additional Information in this video:
Dr Greg Jenkins - exposed (9mins 33s)
http://www.youbube.com/watch?v=_

Quote
Where is Dr Greg Jenkins now?

Why has he not kept up with the latest 9/11 research posted by Dr Judy Wood?

http://www.drjudydeadwood.com/articles/JJ/
http://www.drjudydeadwood.com/articles/erin/
What was his objective when interviewing Dr Judy Wood? Were his questions really sincere, or did he have another agenda?

It's important to consider all the data before deciding.

This video isolates a few segments from the original version and shows where Greg got uncomfortable

and on this page: http://drjudydeadwood.com/articles/cc/Jenkinspanic.html



Dr. Judy Wood is the lone 'scientific' pillar behind the theory that directed energy beams demolished the world trade center towers.
Are you sure?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 04:43:44 pm
I havent seen that one.  Perfect and I am only half through.

Here is another smack down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ9-RzMtzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ9-RzMtzM)
Jones & Deagle - “Micronukes vs Thermite/Thermate at WTC” (http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=45)

This is quite an extraordinary discussion in many ways – and in my view, clearly demonstrates that neither Jones or Deagle are being completely honest in their discussion.

You will hear them:

Claiming to be discussing the evidence, but in reality they don’t discuss much evidence at all.
Deagle claim Seattle has been pre-wired with mini-nukes.
Jones suggesting that if there is a nuke-attack, 9-11 truthers should get dust samples and send them to Deagle or Jones.
Deagle claiming he has evidence of mini-nukes from “contacts” but he hasn’t completed testing his samples – even though he is very concerned to find out what they will use for the next attack.
Deagle claims he is 100% sure thermate or superthermate was used to destroy the towers.
Deagle describes the effects on toasted cars as being potentially from an EMP pulse, but he dismisses the evidence for DEW.
Jones gets Deagle to agree that the evidence of no planes hitting the WTC towers is “ridiculous”.
Deagle claims micronukes were used in the Oaklahoma bombing.
Deagle doesn’t know whether they are fusion or fission nukes.
Jones mentions WTC Iron quite a few times.
Both Jones and Deagle talk about an Isotope of Iodine 110 – but this is extremely obscure (the stable Isotope of Iodine is 127).
Even though Deagle suggests there is going to be a multiple nuke attack in the USA, Homeland Secuirty don’t seem to have expressed an interest in this.

Listen to the audio or read the transcript.

continued here (http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=45).

-----

We can see that the evidence is not the important thing to most people in the 9/11 "truth movement".  It is the conformity that is the important thing, hence this thread has been moved.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 05, 2010, 04:45:18 pm
This is my first run-in with Judy and i'm enjoying this new "buildings (completely) turned to dust thingy".
Maybe it was an unknown weapon that was used, like what the f**k do we know, REALLY?
I'm not poo pooing the thermite and i'm not poo pooing the unknown weapon either.


We have to employ some level of scrutiny or risk being grouped in with whackjobs that obliterate our credibililty.
This is not a game and saying "I like the pod or Wood idea" like choosing a type of beer is weak at best.
We know LOTS.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 04:46:31 pm

Are you sure?

Those aren't my words they were taken from this...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&hl=en#

But I am sure she is a waste of time. And I'm sure she comes off as a nut in this UNEDITED interview. Which is why you have no choice but to post an EDITED clip of the same interview (trying to discredit the interviewer, and failed BTW) and have some hack explain to you what to think. That's just sad.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2010, 04:57:22 pm
We have to employ some level of scrutiny or risk being grouped in with whackjobs that obliterate our credibililty.
This is not a game and saying "I like the pod or Wood idea" like choosing a type of beer is weak at best.
We know LOTS.

Yeah, and one of the objects of this forum is discussion, i've always been a pod person, don't like the name but there you have it.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 05:01:07 pm
Yeah, and one of the objects of this forum is discussion, i've always been a pod person, don't like the name but there you have it.


http://www.oilempire.us/pod.html

http://911review.com/errors/phantom/st_plane.html
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 05, 2010, 05:06:32 pm
In 2005, the first version of the "Loose Change" film (a follow up to In Plane Site?) included the pod hoax, but it was removed from later versions, since the "pod" isn't very popular any more even among the more incompetent (and disingenuous) parts of the 9/11 truth movement, who have largely moved on to newer fantastical claims that aren't quite truthful.

Viper - Matrixcutter is miles ahead better catch-up.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2010, 05:10:09 pm
http://www.oilempire.us/pod.html

OK i finally got it, i'll let the pod issue rest, thanks.

*still 50/50 with the unknown weapon idea though*  :)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 05:40:52 pm
Dr Greg Jenkins’ “Directed Debunking Energy” and Prof Judy Wood (http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=46)
Scholarly Questions and Inquiry, or Badgering, Misrepresentation and Harassment?
Andrew Johnson
March 1st 2007

It seems this exotic space beam weaponry and no planes on 9/11 go hand in hand, I have no tolerance or sympathy at all for no planers, and....wait...what's this? Your Hero Andrew Johnson is a no planer and proud of it. Gee, what a surprise.

Evidence of Media Fakery on and before 9/11

Evidence which indicates there were no large Boeing crashes at the WTC.

Evidence for the use of some type of Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) being used to Destroy most of the WTC.

Links between the energy cover up and the 9/11 Cover up

Evidence that there is an active an ongoing effort to cover up and discredit research into “DEW” and “No Planes” and some of those individuals undertaking this activity.

http://exposureroom.com/members/adjohnson/06d56d572baf4bdf808b3d9e15cd40a1/

So you're a no planer huh? Well, do me a favor and tell the world the "gatekeeping" mod at prisonplanet is intolerant of the no plane hoax. Spread the word far and wide. Expose me!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2010, 05:43:10 pm
Jim what was it that caused the vehicles to burn and rust, was it the dust cloud?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 05:49:48 pm
Jim what was it that caused the vehicles to burn and rust, was it the dust cloud?

Probably the same thing that caused this....

(http://www.american-buddha.com/ae911truth.18d.jpg)

Ask Steven Jones
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2010, 05:51:49 pm
Thank you Sir.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 05:54:52 pm
Those aren't my words they were taken from this...
Fair enough.  They are incorrect though.


But I am sure she is a waste of time.
As in everything she says is provably false, or as in you disagree with it?


And I'm sure she comes off as a nut in this UNEDITED interview.
It may be uneditted but it wasn't honest, and it wasn't about discussing her evidence.  It was about trying to ridicule her by concentrating on what the interviewer wanted to talk about and ignoring what the interviewee wanted to talk about i.e. her research.


Which is why you have no choice but to post an EDITED clip of the same interview
It was the justified response to an obvious ambush interview.


(trying to discredit the interviewer, and failed BTW)
Really?


and have some hack explain to you what to think. That's just sad.
If I needed people to tell me what to think, I would be conforming with the rest of the "truth movement" and calling people with alternative views names.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 06:01:03 pm
Thank you Sir.

The reason NIST investigated the WTC is because FEMA had already done so and said this.....

1. Suggestions for Future Research

The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires.



They pretty much SEEM to describe the effects of a thermitic reaction. Check out the pics as well.....
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 05, 2010, 06:01:35 pm
Fair enough.  They are incorrect though.

As in everything she says is provably false, or as in you disagree with it?

It may be uneditted but it wasn't honest, and it wasn't about discussing her evidence.  It was about trying to ridicule her by concentrating on what the interviewer wanted to talk about and ignoring what the interviewee wanted to talk about i.e. her research.

It was the justified response to an obvious ambush interview.

Really?

If I needed people to tell me what to think, I would be conforming with the rest of the "truth movement" and calling people with alternative views names.
She is an academic and should be able to defend her position.  She wasnt ambushed and was given plenty of time too explain herself which she didnt.
Gibberish and bunk.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 06:06:12 pm
It seems this exotic space beam weaponry
Are you referring to directed energy weaponry?  If so, why use misleading terms?
If this theory is so ridiculous, why is it necessary to misrepresent it at all, let alone so consistently?


and no planes on 9/11 go hand in hand,
Not necessarily, but generally, yes.


I have no tolerance or sympathy at all for no planers,
Oh.


and....wait...what's this? Your Hero Andrew Johnson is a no planer and proud of it. Gee, what a surprise.
My hero?

Is there any reason why you have to behave so childishly, rather than just addressing the evidence?

It is clear that there is more emotion than logic in these type of exchanges.


Evidence of Media Fakery on and before 9/11

Evidence which indicates there were no large Boeing crashes at the WTC.

Evidence for the use of some type of Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) being used to Destroy most of the WTC.

Links between the energy cover up and the 9/11 Cover up

Evidence that there is an active an ongoing effort to cover up and discredit research into “DEW” and “No Planes” and some of those individuals undertaking this activity.

http://exposureroom.com/members/adjohnson/06d56d572baf4bdf808b3d9e15cd40a1/

So you're a no planer huh? Well, do me a favor and tell the world the "gatekeeping" mod at prisonplanet is intolerant of the no plane hoax. Spread the word far and wide. Expose me!
I won't be doing anybody any favours, even if they ask me as nicely as you have.

If you don't like what I think, oh well.

If you want to address the evidence, that would be fine with me too.

I suspect you are already angry about my thoughtcrime, but putting that aside for a second, can you explain to me why the no planes theory is an impossibility?

Because it does need to be an impossibility, doesn't it?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 06:18:04 pm
She is an academic and should be able to defend her position.  She wasnt ambushed and was given plenty of time too explain herself which she didnt.
Gibberish and bunk.
You have obviously made your mind up already, and that's your right.

But have you actually looked at the alternative point of view?

This interview is not the same thing as the theory itself.

Jenkins is very obviously trying to ridicule the woman, and not address all the evidence.

I assume you don't want to address the points made here:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=46

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Have any of you talked to someone about 9/11 being an inside job, explained some of the evidence, pointed out what the media isn't telling us, etc., and then that person has responded with anger and name-calling?

If so, what did you think about that?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 06:18:31 pm


Is there any reason why you have to behave so childishly, rather than just addressing the evidence?

There is no evidence

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It is clear that there is more emotion than logic in these type of exchanges.
There is logic, and emotion. The emotion is disgust.


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If you want to address the evidence, that would be fine with me too.
There is no evidence, and that is the standard line we always hear from you no plane losers, as long as it's "discussed" it stays active, I wont be playing your stupid game.

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I suspect you are already angry about my thoughtcrime, but putting that aside for a second, can you explain to me why the no planes theory is an impossibility?

If I had a theory that there is no such thing as air, we could discuss it forever. There is no theory, it's not even a hypothesis. It's stupidity, like no planes on 9/11.

Your retarded theory of the media creating the fake planes on 9/11 is disgusting, and here is just one reason, and it's the only reason I need. Chief Joe Pfiefer of the FDNY is who started the plane hit the WTC. NOT the media. He called it in before any media anywhere said anything about any plane. He watched this plane fly into the WTC. What he gained from 9/11 was one dead brother and a bad cough. Is he "in on it"? If the answer is yes, you wont be posting here anymore. If the answer is no then he watched a plane fly into the WTC like the rest of us did. If the answer is "he was fooled" then you are exposed as the fool.




Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2010, 06:27:57 pm
I never seen all these toasted vehicles pics before so i for one am glad to have seen these vids and
i also find the hurricane at the same time and same location (just about) interesting too, and had never heard about it before, it too seems to have been ignored in media that morning.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 06:50:24 pm
There is no evidence
That simply isn't true.


There is logic, and emotion.
I haven't seen any logical discussion of Dr Judy Wood's research from you, or from grapecrusher1, or from anybody who disagrees with it come to think of it, not that I've had more than a handful of discussions about it.


The emotion is disgust.
I see.


There is no evidence,
Again, that is not true.


and that is the standard line we always hear from you no plane losers,
Again with the name-calling?


as long as it's "discussed" it stays active, I wont be playing your stupid game.
I asked you why it is impossible.  Instead of providing proof that it is an impossibility you have called me a loser.  Obviously that is unconvincing.

If you don't want to discuss it with me, then don't.  It won't bother me.
It's just interesting to me when people so violently and relentlessly ridicule something and yet they are completely incapable of disproving it.


Your retarded theory of the media creating the fake planes on 9/11 is disgusting,
A) It isn't my theory.
B) Your disgust does not affect the evidence, although it might affect your perception of it.


If the answer is yes, you wont be posting here anymore.
The ultimate conversation killer.


Does anybody else want to explain why the NPT is, must be, and can only be an impossibility?

I didn't lose anybody on 9/11, and I don't want to upset anybody that did.

Some people argue that even suggesting that 9/11 was an inside job is a disgusting insult to everybody that died that day.  I would oppose that point of view.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 06:51:18 pm
I never seen all these toasted vehicles pics before so i for one am glad to have seen these vids and
i also find the hurricane at the same time and same location (just about) interesting too, and had never heard about it before, it too seems to have been ignored in media that morning.
And in the 9/11 "truth movement".
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 07:01:35 pm

I didn't lose anybody on 9/11, and I don't want to upset anybody that did.

Well Chief Pfieffer did, his brother was dead less than 2 hours after he called in the plane that he watched fly into the WTC, and you just implied that he's "in on it". You no planers expose yourselves with your stupidity. You are quite disgusting.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 05, 2010, 07:11:10 pm
Well Chief Pfieffer did, his brother was dead less than 2 hours after he called in the plane that he watched fly into the WTC, and you just implied that he's "in on it".
No I didn't, and you won't even let me explain why not without threatening to ban me.


You no planers expose yourselves with your stupidity.
Again with the name-calling?


You are quite disgusting.
OK.

Again, there are people who would say that you are disgusting for suggesting that 9/11 was an inside job, and that you are insulting everybody that died that day.  Obviously they are wrong.

Unfortunately, you are doing exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 05, 2010, 08:50:01 pm
No I didn't, and you won't even let me explain why not without threatening to ban me.
That was an answer in itself.
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Again with the name-calling?

If she were a "truther" she'd be a No Planer....
(http://www.mikepellegrini.com/Graphics/sarah_palin.jpg)


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Unfortunately, you are doing exactly the same thing.

 :'( That's really old.....cry me a river No Planer   :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 05, 2010, 09:23:39 pm
More idiocy out of idiotboy at minute 25:00 -- there was no heat!!
moronic and foolish.
http://exposureroom.com/members/adjohnson/06d56d572baf4bdf808b3d9e15cd40a1/ (http://exposureroom.com/members/adjohnson/06d56d572baf4bdf808b3d9e15cd40a1/)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 06, 2010, 09:28:58 am
Other people's opinions are not important to me.  The evidence is important.

You have both shown that you are completely incapable of putting forward any sort of reasonable argument, let alone one based on a logical analysis of the evidence.

For example, calling someone an idiot for saying that there was no heat, without proving that there was heat is just a childish remark.  It is not an attempt to address the evidence.  It is the same tactic used by completely clueless "sheeple" who call people who disagree with the official 9/11 story "insane tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists".  It is very revealing.

Whatever pictures you want to use to support your emotion-based attack, you cannot claim to have given any sort of proof that Dr Judy Wood's work is wrong.

And it is obvious that you never will, because your disapproval of it is not based on what the theory actually is.  You don't even seem to know what the theory is.

Anyone who would ask a question and tell someone that they will be banned for giving a certain answer is obviously not interested in rational debate.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 06, 2010, 09:35:25 am
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Unfortunately, you are doing exactly the same thing.
:'( That's really old.....
I don't care how old something is.  I care whether it is true or not.
And we both know that it is true that you are using the same arguments as someone who believes the government's 9/11 story and gets angry and abusive at anyone who doesn't.

But only one of us will acknowledge that it's true.


cry me a river No Planer   :'( :'( :'(
What do you think you are achieving by behaving like this?
Do you think you will insult me into submission?

I won't be answering any more of your posts unless you actually want to start an intelligent debate, rather than the childishness you have posted so far.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 06, 2010, 09:47:15 am
matrix, what i do when i run onto something new, i try it on and see how it feels.
Well i watched that vid and the Hiroshima one too and i'll say right now i'm trying on the idea that the nasa heat pics could have been faked, and that the buildings could have been upset sub-atomically.
What i find striking is the vehicle damage supposedly by the dust cloud, hmm even if it was thermitic dust i find it hard to buy it causing all the corrosion and flipped vehicles and melted fire trucks.
What's with all the mud and what's with all the fumes (if indeed they were fumes and not steam)?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 06, 2010, 10:05:46 am
matrix, what i do when i run onto something new, i try it on and see how it feels.
Well according to some, that makes you an idiot.
It doesn't of course, but that doesn't seem to matter.


Well i watched that vid and the Hiroshima one too and i'll say right now i'm trying on the idea that the nasa heat pics could have been faked,
Of course they could.
They faked the moon landings 40 years ago.  Faking a picture could be done by someone on work experience, in their lunch break, with one hand tied behind his/her back.


and that the buildings could have been upset sub-atomically.
Most of the material that made up the Twin Towers turned to dust.  That's the important observation.
You really do have to ignore this piece of evidence to be satisfied by the authorised "alternative" 9/11 theories.

Does technology exist that can do that sort of thing?  Yes.
Would the perpetrators use it on 9/11?  Well, they did, obviously.
Can the evidence be explained away with thermite, jet fuel, planes and hijackers?  No.


What i find striking is the vehicle damage supposedly by the dust cloud, hmm even if it was thermitic dust i find it hard to buy it causing all the corrosion and flipped vehicles and melted fire trucks.
Especially when it only affects part of a car, and not some of the matter surrounding it.


What's with all the mud and what's with all the fumes (if indeed they were fumes and not steam)?
And what's with the refusal to address this evidence?  If something is obviously wrong and provably wrong, you prove it wrong.  You don't call the people talking about stupid or insane whilst refusing to address the evidence.  That's what the media does when it wants to smear 9/11 "truthers", or whoever else they want to smear.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Freeski on March 07, 2010, 12:25:40 am
1/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU

2/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrnvI0N9rKg

3/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOzBUFOR8

4/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6bUW3RczGA

5/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-brf4LBiE

6/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlck_uf1-ZE

7/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcsztFp105g

8/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEZ2OHaxUw

9/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXRICy-k6DY

10/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 57s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMeygS9QOOY


Bump for later - got up to part 4 and this is remarkable.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 07, 2010, 01:02:16 am
Other people's opinions are not important to me.  The evidence is important.

You have no evidence. The evidence says planes flew into buildings. You don't know what evidence means.

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You have both shown that you are completely incapable of putting forward any sort of reasonable argument, let alone one based on a logical analysis of the evidence.

No, I've shown I have disgust and disdain for you no plane loonies wasting bandwith and my time and destroying the truth movement.

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For example, calling someone an idiot for saying that there was no heat, without proving that there was heat is just a childish remark.
I agree with grapecrusher. Only an idiot would think fire doesn't cause heat.


  
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It is not an attempt to address the evidence.  It is the same tactic used by completely clueless "sheeple" who call people who disagree with the official 9/11 story "insane tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists".  It is very revealing.
In other words we must take any theory seriously or we are sheeple, which is what cointel is all about, it's called distraction and poisoning the well. It's hard to believe you are unaware of this.

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Whatever pictures you want to use to support your emotion-based attack, you cannot claim to have given any sort of proof that Dr Judy Wood's work is wrong.

You mean like pictures of the plane parts? They don't count because it ruins your idiotic theory therefor they are planted and you pretend that's evidence. Yea, they planted an engine on a NY street. Brilliant.

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And it is obvious that you never will, because your disapproval of it is not based on what the theory actually is.  You don't even seem to know what the theory is.
TV fakery, holograms, super secret space beam weapons, and all other nonsense I need to waste my life on to give you no planers attention and make us all look stupid, while ignoring the real evidence, you are a waste of time.

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Anyone who would ask a question and tell someone that they will be banned for giving a certain answer is obviously not interested in rational debate.

Debate, debate, debate, thats what you no planers live for, to take us away from real issues and evidence to focus on insane nonsense to give you "nifty" theories that make no sense to debate on forever. And yes, you no plane turds trying to pin 9/11 on victims of the attack will get you banned, you wont be doing that on a forum I moderate on. The firefighters that nearly died on 9/11 are not "in on it".  Several watched the plane fly into the building.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 07, 2010, 01:12:11 am
:'( That's really old.....
I don't care how old something is.  I care whether it is true or not.

BS! You care about outlandish and incredibly stupid conspiracy theories to debate forever for attention.

You're not part of any truth movement you're part of the 9/11 nut movement.

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And we both know that it is true that you are using the same arguments as someone who believes the government's 9/11 story and gets angry and abusive at anyone who doesn't.

And you are a liar, and pathetically using the same no plane BS arguments that have been made for years.

"You support the official story," "you are acting just like the debunkers" and blah, blah. The same disruptive BS you no plane turds always use. Of course debunkers ridicule you because you deserve it. Your stupid no planes on 9/11 earns your ridicule. And I've got hundreds of posts that prove you are a liar when you say "you are using the same arguments as someone who believes the governments 9/11 story".  So you aren't just a no plane nut but a liar as well.

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But only one of us will acknowledge that it's true.

Yea, it's true people that believe the gov story think no planers are idiots, and I agree, therefor in no plane land, I support the official story. How f**king lame. That ain't gonna fly here. I don't support the official story, nor do I support idiotic cointel BS.


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What do you think you are achieving by behaving like this?
Do you think you will insult me into submission?

I give you the respect every no planer deserves, for f**king up and making 9/11 truth look like loonies. You aren't part of any truth movement, you are part of a nut movement.

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I won't be answering any more of your posts unless you actually want to start an intelligent debate, rather than the childishness you have posted so far.
You will get the respect no planers deserve. None. "intelligent" debate, what you no plane nuts always chant, in other words, take us seriously, make us legitimate in 9/11 truth....just like cointel wants, it ain't gonna fly here, spew your no plane cointel garbage on your no plane retard boards.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 07, 2010, 01:36:33 am
Andrew Johnson:

According to a website you push on here, which is one of the dumbest and illogical sites I've seen, says this in regards to firefighter statements.....

A number of witnesses reported that they didn’t realize that the second impact was that of a plane – many of them “found out later”.
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemid=60

Yea, some were in the building, hard to see a plane fly into a building when you're indoors sherlock, some were outside and didn't see the hit, no one will see the hit unless they are looking up, and some did see it, are you really this stupid, or what? Frankly that's hard to believe so the question is why are you being so dishonest? And you want to pretend this is evidence or means something. You don't know what evidence is.

And then there is this.....

Similarly, the account of EMT David Timothy (File No. 9110156) expressed some doubt that he saw a plane.

"The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up, and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up, I heard ‘boom’.

I'm sorry, the north tower was the first one. The south tower then got hit when we were right there."
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemid=60

In No plane nut land this is very suspicious, and casts doubt on if a plane really hit, but it gets dumber..........

Perhaps even more significant was where 2 witnesses who were standing next to each other, initially, did not agree upon the idea of a plane crash. From the account of Scott Holowach (File No: 9110114)

"At that time Chief Ganci was behind me and he thought there was another explosion in the north tower and that's when I turned around and said Chief, listen, there is a second plane that hit the other tower. He was like no no no no, we have another explosion. I said no, Chief, I witnessed it. I watched the plane hit the other tower. He is like are you sure. I said Chief, I'm 100 hundred percent positive I watched the second plane hit the other tower."
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemid=60

In no plane nut land it's very suspicious that the only person to see a plane fly into the building was the person who watched it happen. And yes, I get pissed off wasting my time on this BS.

And of course in no plane nut land numerous witnesses to a plane flying into the building means that it's unlikely a plane flew into the building.....

There was some additional confusion and rumours circulating about the nature of any planes involved. From the account of Anthony Bartolomey (File No: 9110013)

Q.  When you arrived there, did any civilians report anything to you?

A.  Yes. Numerous civilians were telling me that a plane had hit the building. There were discrepancies as to the type of plane. Some were saying it was a Cessna or Leer jet type, a small jet plane. Some said it was a large passenger plane. One person actually said that it was like a military style plane that actually shot missiles into the building.
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemid=60

How about some real evidence and eyewitness accounts......

physical evidence
http://wtcdebris.0catch.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSWjgqpxE3w

We carried all our tools, the bottles, everything, and as we're walking down, part of the plane engine was sitting right in the street, still burning. I said, look, this is the plane. FDNY firefighter Paul Hyland page 4/12
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110374.PDF


Once we started taking off, I guess 30 feet in front of us, there was a lady on the ground by the curb and she was just waving her arms. That's all she could wave. Her legs were crushed. Apparently she got hit by part of the landing gear, one of the tires of the airplane. There was a large tire next to her. FDNY EMT Orlando Martinez  page 5/13
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110183.PDF

More on this from Reprehenser who ran 9/11 blogger.....

Orlando Martinez (EMS): "Once we started taking off, I guess 30 feet in front of us, there was a lady on the ground by the curb and she was just waving her arms. That's all she could wave. Her legs were crushed.

Apparently she got hit by part of the landing gear, one of the tires of the airplane. There was a large tire next to her. The person who was next to her, I guess worked with her, said something hit her. It may have been the landing gear. It was a large piece of metal that was so sharp it slit her whole back open, buttocks. Her legs were exposed, bones. We boarded her as fast as we could. There was nowhere to grab her. She was too slippery, so I grabbed the hip bone. That was exposed. We just kind of picked her up, put her on the long board and we strapped her up, put her on the stretcher and took as much flesh as we could. It was just hanging all over the place, put it between her legs. Put her in the ambulance and rushed her to Beekman."

The above lady was not hit by a "holograph". She was mangled by an aircraft part. An aircraft part that came from one of the planes that crashed into the towers.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/17206

...we started making our way to NYU Downtown Hospital, Beekman, to drop off our first set of patients when we got flagged down for another lady who got hit by the landing gear of the first plane. FDNY EMT Frank Puma page 4/12
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110273.PDF

We just passed a compact car where the engine was running and the door was open, which looked to me like the driver had escaped, but from the back seat to the trunk was crushed by a jet engine. We started going up West Street. I believe that's when Smitty ran over the part of the plane, but he did that to avoid the bodies because there were obviously bodies in the street. FDNY firefighter Michael Hazel  page 5/15
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110245.PDF

A young kid, Joe Sullivan, said, "Why is this plane flying through the smoke? Holy shit, he hit the second tower."  page 3/17

There was a car that we drove by that the driver's door and the passenger door were open, and there was a plane motor on the back half of the car. Two inches more, and both these guys would have been dead too.

That was their ticket. It was amazing. The car was actually cut right in half with this motor, right there back of the front seat. I sat there in amazement. FDNY firefighter Richard Saulle  page 5/17
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110247.PDF

"A section of the landing gear proved to me that this was a commercial airliner." PAPD Det. Sgt. Raymond Dilena Source
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17887558/NY-B30-PA-Police-Reports-1-of-2-Fdr-DiLena-Det-Sgt-Raymond

A tremendous fireball, flaming debris, pieces of the airplane, fuselage, landing gear, pieces of the building.

...We started running down one of the little side streets, Courtlandt or Dey. There were people dead in the street that obviously you couldn't help them. There was flaming debris coming down all over. It was just a matter of who got hit with the debris. FDNY Captain Michael Donovan  page 5/24
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110205.PDF

After that, an FBI agent came down the block. He identified some landing gear that was in front of our rig, asked me to make sure no pedestrians came down the block to interfere with any type of metals and debris that were there, because they were trying to identify to put the pieces back together for the plane. FDNY firefighter Sidney Parris  page 3/17
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110347.PDF

A little while later, I guess it was about a quarter to 9, somebody came in and
said they saw the plane coming over quarters and then they said they saw it hit the Trade Center.
page 2/27

Vesey and Church, Vesey and Church right there. We stepped off the rig, and there were plane engine parts and people yelling and screaming. FDNY firefighter Bertram Springstead  page 4/17
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110225.PDF

Walking around, we came out to Rector Street. We saw one of the landing gears from the airplane. FDNY EMT Benjamin Badillo  page 11/16
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110495.PDF

Various pieces of the plane were falling on the street. As we went down the street you could see parts of aircraft with stencil numbers on it and things like that. There was a wheel, or like a wheel housing or something else there in the street. FDNY Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick  page 3/34
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110001.PDF

Walking down Vesey, we noticed large pieces of what looked like possibly the fuselage from the plane. There was a caravan of motorcycle police coming up. We stopped them and we cleared the path of big O rings and pieces of fuselage of the plane. We threw it to the side, and we told the guys to go on. Fire Patrolman Paul Curran  page 3/17
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110369.PDF

We walked down that block. It was littered with airplane parts.... FDNY Chief Ray Goldbach  page 4/24
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110150.PDF

Captain Nahmod and I were running down Vesey Street stepping over airplane pieces, several bodies and whatnot. There was what looked like the front wheel assembly of an airplane. Unknown the size of the plane that had hit, it just looked like it was one pair of wheels on an assembly, pieces of metal with rivets in them, a few body parts scattered around. FDNY EMT Richard Zarillo  page 4/15
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110161.PDF

Like I remember walking by with the chief, and I remember seeing the airplane engine. FDNY EMT Robert Kimball  page 6/9
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110368.PDF

I was putting on my pants and boots when I heard something similar to the
sound of a jet aircraft taking off, and when I looked up I saw the impact of the second plane hitting the south tower and immediately an enormous fireball erupted that actually masked the entire upper half of the building and part of the north tower.
page 4/28

So we ran back to the car and laying right in back of my car was a large object which I thought was probably part of one of the aircraft turbines. FDNY Chief of Safety Albert Turi.  page 5/28
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110142.PDF

As I got down a little farther, there was what looked to be a piece of the cabin of the airplane, I guess. It looked like a piece of it about maybe six foot long. It looked like the windows. FDNY firefighter Brian Dixon  page 6/30
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110166.PDF

The other thing that was actually evident, though, is what appeared to be some plane parts, like some circular pieces of a plane, the walk down Vesey Street. FDNY EMS Dr. Michael Guttenberg  page 8/19
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110005.PDF

We were driving out of the tunnel up West Street and we're seeing body parts in the street, torsos, chunks of flesh, parts of the airplane landing gear, car fires everywhere. It was like a war zone. FDNY firefighter Steve Piccerill  page 3/15
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110330.PDF

I passed over some pieces of what appeared to be aircraft wreckage, fuselage, whatever, some body parts and bodies in various states, either people from the building or the airplanes. You couldn't tell. They weren't intact. FDNY EMS Division Chief John Peruggia  page 6/44
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110160.PDF

The landing gear of the aircraft was in that parking lot there. It was right near us. FDNY firefighter Dean Coutsouros  page 3/15
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110049.PDF

There were a number of airplane parts throughout the street, littering the streets. FDNY firefighter Robert Norris  page 7/30
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110396.PDF

But that piece of an airplane was way to big for the type of  plane that I envisioned hitting this building it's like you know it's jumbo jet come to think of it that piece of plane looked like it crushed half that car. FDNY firefighter Kevin McCabe page 27/28
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110344.PDF

...our initial response was seeing body parts and airplane parts all over the west side. FDNY EMT Stephen Hess  page 3/11
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110060.PDF

You heard the explosion and everything, but I saw the big fire ball. The stuff was coming down across the street. It looked like a meteor came flying across the street. They said it was the engine. FDNY firefighter Peter Fallucca  page 4/22
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110388.PDF

En route to the staging area, we were going down Columbia Street, saw the second plane strike the building....page 2/27

As we were riding in, we must have ran over some debris from the plane. We saw debris all over the floor. We saw a wheel. There was cars that were flattened. It was obvious that heavy things had fallen on them. FDNY firefighter Joseph Sullivan  page 3/27
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110286.PDF

That was before we got to the south pedestrian bridge, before Liberty Street . You could see airplane parts just littered across the street, across the highway. FDNY firefighter Craig Monahan  page 4/12
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110016.PDF

You could see airplane parts on the ground and although I didn't realize it at the time, I later realized there were body parts, both on the concourse and on the street. (some of these might have been jumpers) I now made a left on Vesey and walked down the street on the 7 World Trade Center side, where I could see more airplane debris. FDNY Assistant Commissioner James Drury  page 3/12
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110098.PDF

There was jumpers everywhere, there was bodies everywhere, pieces of plane everywhere. FDNY firefighter Kevin Murray  page 3/17
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110020.PDF

We walked down Vesey Street, and it was like total silence, nothing. It was eerie. There were police cars all parked on angles, metal going through their hoods. There was a tire of a plane on top of one. FDNY firefighter Arthur Riccio  page 3/10
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110277.PDF

I could see the fan, and that's what stood out in my mind. There was an airplane tire also there and then these bodies and luggage from the thing because there were shoes everywhere also. Some shoes had what looked like blood in it, other shoes didn't, other shoes were burnt, FDNY paramedic Manuel Delgado  page 28/32
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110004.PDF

In my zeal to get close, I had not noticed the falling bodies. Then I nearly stepped into a puddle of blood that was congealing beside what looked like the titanium gear of a pulverized airliner.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/11/getting-in-the-way-of-the-story/

One security officer reported that while the engine of the first plane had landed in the [Marriot] swimming pool, everyone in the health club was fine, and all were being brought to the lobby. Another officer radioed that the room-by-room evacuation was proceeding and that all guests were being brought down to the first floor.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2035442/It-sounded-like-an-avalanche.html

Adam Ashton was working on a commuter ferry on the Hudson River when the twin towers were attacked.
I was dropping people off at the World Financial Center dock, close to the World Trade Center, when I saw the first plane streaking north to south across the sky and slam into the North Tower.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/5317638.stm

I work in the West Village which is far enough away to be safe, but in a direct north view of the WTC.  Just as I was walking out of the subway station going to work Tuesday morning, I noticed a police officer standing in the street looking at the WTC saying "that's flying too low" and as I looked up, I saw the first plane hit the first tower. - Rebecca L. Kennedy
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/RebeccaKennedy.html

Operating at a gas leak, Battalion Chief Joseph Pfiefer said, "We heard a very loud plane, which you never hear in Manhattan. We all look up and see this commercial airline flying very low. We follow it and it goes right into the Trade Center. You could see it didn't veer off. It appeared to aim at the Trade Center smashed into
the upper floors. Created a big fireball and then disappeared into the building. I transmitted a second alarm...20 seconds after that I transmitted a third alarm."
 -- Chief Joseph Pfiefer
http://www.firehouse.com/node/41579

Gee, wonder how those plane parts got there, and why people claim to see a plane fly into the building? You no plane assholes claim the media faked it, yet Chief Pfiefer who you want us to believe is in on it, who was nearly killed that day, and HAD HIS OWN BROTHER DIE, called in the plane strike THAT HE SAW, before any media outlet anywhere said anything. And the media wasn't the only ones who had "fake" footage, genius......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyqo4oh-AzU

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2859455565562890133#

Firefighter John Schroeder who was nearly killed that day also called in the plane THAT HE WATCHED FLY INTO THE WTC, before any media anywhere said anything about any planes, so your retarded theory depends on us calling these brave souls liars and murderers, that shit ain't gonna fly here you no planer loon.....

"We see the wing of the plane crash through building, I call dispatch and say a plane has just hit the trade center" - Firefighter John Schroeder      3:54 mark
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=53815767687186956&hl=en#





Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 07, 2010, 01:05:04 pm
Bump for later - got up to part 4 and this is remarkable.
You might be interested in this too.
Andrew Johnson:
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I was invited to go on with Ralph Winterrowd last night to talk about the Thermite cover up. For those who have not yet been able to rid themselves of thermite, perhaps this may help (unless, of course, you are attached to thermite on 9/11 - in which case, who am I to tell you what to think...   ;)
 
Andrew Johnson - No Thermite on 911 - The New 911 Cover Up - Ralph Winterrowd - 01 Mar 2010 - mp3 (http://www.checkthnoneevidence.com/audio/911/Andrew%20Johnson%20-%20No%20Thermite%2con%20911%20-%20The%20New%20911%20Cover%20Up%20-%20Ralph%20Winterrowd%20-%2001%20Mar%202010.mp3)
 
Or Top link:
 
http://www.checkthnutjobeevidence.com/audio/index.php?dir=911/&sort=date&order=desc
 
I only send it because of the re-energising of the thermite story, what with the Paul Craig Roberts article mentioning it, and this Architects and Engineers "initiative" (of intellectual herding).
 
Anyway, you can take it or leave it, for what it's worth!
 
You can also check out:
 
http://911termitefree.blogspots.com/
 
Which I have sent before, but some people on this list may not yet have seen it.
 
Some people say "It doesn't matter whether it was thermite or something else that destroyed the towers." Um - yes it does matter - for 2 reasons:
 
1) It will lead one, ultimately, to the perpetrators
2) The energy weaponry which was disclosed on 911 shows that we are slaves to the withholding of this technology and we have been scammed into using fossil fuels over the last 100 years or so.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Are you interested in what's really going on in the world, behind the facade? Then...
http://www.checkthedisinfoevidence.com/

What happened on 9/11?
http://www.drjudydeadwood.com/

Obviously there are people who are incapable of discussing this evidence in a mature and reasonable way, preferring instead to call people turds or idiots, but that doesn't make the evidence go away.

When some evidence sends people into an uncontrollable rage and they start insulting people, falsely attributing beliefs to them, unjustifiably calling them liars, etc., but not addressing that evidence and simply asserting that it doesn't even exist, then we know that the defense of a belief system has become more important than any analysis of that evidence.  Emotion has taken over from logic.

Most people who have woken up have encountered this sort of reaction from someone at some stage or another.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: madworld21 on March 07, 2010, 01:58:41 pm
Truth does not fear investigation. What's with the insults from certain posters? People should know better. Do you really believe in freedom of speech?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 07, 2010, 02:04:02 pm
You might be interested in this too.
Andrew Johnson:
Obviously there are people who are incapable of discussing this evidence in a mature and reasonable way, preferring instead to call people turds or idiots, but that doesn't make the evidence go away.

When some evidence sends people into an uncontrollable rage and they start insulting people, falsely attributing beliefs to them, unjustifiably calling them liars, etc., but not addressing that evidence and simply asserting that it doesn't even exist, then we know that the defense of a belief system has become more important than any analysis of that evidence.  Emotion has taken over from logic.

Most people who have woken up have encountered this sort of reaction from someone at some stage or another.

You are the one that has no evidence.

There was a plethora of evidence just provided to you that is contrary to your position, but all you see is the odd insult peppered in amongst it.  Jimd must go to such lengths in blowing your argument out of the water to show how utterly delusional it truly is for the benefit of those reading it because you are a lost cause, completely oblivious to any rational logic.

What colour is the sky in your world?  Do you still talk to imaginary friends?  
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 07, 2010, 02:08:47 pm
Truth does not fear investigation. What's with the insults from certain posters? People should know better. Do you really believe in freedom of speech?

There is a threshold that was exceeded long ago.  I would suggest you go through some of this thread or just look at some of jimd3100's 1,000 plus posts dedicated to combatting this nonsense.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 07, 2010, 02:13:09 pm
Seems some folks want more confirmation of THEIR truth than the actual truth.
I ony want the truth and i'll never stop searching for it, but it seems you guys have it all wrapped up already.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 07, 2010, 02:23:55 pm
Seems some folks want more confirmation of THEIR truth than the actual truth.
I ony want the truth and i'll never stop searching for it, but it seems you guys have it all wrapped up already.
At this point there is ample evidence for a new investigation.  Lets put the kibosh on the space beam gibberish its almost been a decade there is no time for lollygagging gobdaws and nudniks.

Viper-- you did see those squibs right?  the floors popping out as the buildings came down?  the pyroclastic flow? and all the other characteristics that fit in with controlled demolition?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 07, 2010, 02:29:20 pm
At this point there is ample evidence for a new investigation.  Lets put the kibosh on the space beam gibberish its almost been a decade there is no time for lollygagging gobdaws and nudniks.

Viper-- you did see those squibs right?  the floors popping out as the buildings came down?  the pyroclastic flow? and all the other characteristics that fit in with controlled demolition?

I seen all the 9/11 vids, i guess i looked at this DEW material more attentively than others may have
due to all the weather mods we've been seeing lately, like i believe they have weather weapons and maybe some tesla type gizmos too so why not DEW's?
WHY haven't i heard about the hurricane up until now?
In light of the recent weather mods, a hurricane off the coast of Manhattan on 9/11 is interesting to me.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 07, 2010, 02:50:57 pm
You are the one that has no evidence.
When you say that there is no evidence, you are not being honest.
This has been steered into a discussion about no planes theory, but Dr. Judy Wood's work is not about planes.  And it is not about space beams.

This has already been pointed out, yet her work is still deliberately being misrepresented.


There was a plethora of evidence just provided to you that is contrary to your position, but all you see is the odd insult peppered in amongst it.
No, I saw what else he posted too.  But the insults and the childishness demonstrate that there is no point communicating with this person.  He is not interested in a rational discussion, hence all the relentless and immature name-calling.  And he has essentially threatened to ban me for commenting on certain things.


Jimd must go to such lengths in blowing your argument out of the water to show how utterly delusional it truly is for the benefit of those reading it because you are a lost cause, completely oblivious to any rational logic.
Some people say that they think they saw planes.  Some people say that they didn't see planes.  Some people say that they heard planes approaching and some people say that they didn't hear planes approaching.

An important question is, is it possible that people believe they saw planes but actually didn't see planes?
And if you are honest, the answer to that question is yes, it is possible.
I know that some people will misrepresent this statement, but that doesn't change the reality that it is possible for one or more people to believe they saw something and to have been mistaken about exactly what they saw.


What colour is the sky in your world?  Do you still talk to imaginary friends?
Yet more childishness that just reveals an emotion-based response, as opposed to one based on reason.


There is a threshold that was exceeded long ago.  I would suggest you go through some of this thread or just look at some of jimd3100's 1,000 plus posts dedicated to combatting this nonsense.
Wow, that's a lot of posts.  Some people would hate to have to change their minds about something they have put that much time and energy into, not to mention the amount of abuse they have dished out about it.


At this point there is ample evidence for a new investigation.  Lets put the kibosh on the space beam gibberish
Space beam?
Again, what is the purpose of misrepresenting Dr. Judy Wood's work?
If it's so badly wrong, why would anybody need to misrepresent it at all, let alone so consistently?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 07, 2010, 02:58:43 pm
Seems some folks want more confirmation of THEIR truth than the actual truth.
Exactly.  It isn't difficult to spot it either, especially when playground insults are used instead of reasoned discussion of the evidence.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 09, 2010, 02:51:13 am
And he has essentially threatened to ban me for commenting on certain things.

No, dishonest no planer, it was one thing and here's the direct quote....

And yes, you no plane turds trying to pin 9/11 on victims of the attack will get you banned, you wont be doing that on a forum I moderate on. The firefighters that nearly died on 9/11 are not "in on it".

Have had it bigguy. I've obviously been a total asshole by not allowing you to expose what a fraud Chief Pfieffer is. Go hog wild. Expose Pfieffer and his fraud firefighter buddies. Show the "truth" of how he's a murderer.

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An important question is, is it possible that people believe they saw planes but actually didn't see planes?

LOL! Actually an important question would be why are so many people reporting that they saw planes fly into the buildings? Is it because planes being tracked by the ATC are heading towards NY and into the skyscrapers? You have to admit it's possible. That might explain all the airplane parts. You have to admit, it's possible. This is an insane debate as usual.

Quote
Wow, that's a lot of posts.  Some people would hate to have to change their minds about something they have put that much time and energy into, not to mention the amount of abuse they have dished out about it.

Yea, that's probably what it is. Has nothing to do with the credibility of this board or something bigger than you or I and what we "believe", -->9/11 truth. It's just all about me.

I've already shown you that not only did firefighters call in watching with their own eyes a commercial airliner fly into the building before ANY media anywhere said a word about planes, and shown you the parts that came from the plane, one of these days you might actually comment on the evidence instead of saying.....

It isn't difficult to spot it either, especially when playground insults are used instead of reasoned discussion of the evidence.

Now I'm going to show it to you as it happened. If this is true, your no planes "theory" is a fraud. It really is that simple.

This from a no planer site....

"The point of the exercise is to establish that the Naudet film must have been staged by people who knew about the attacks in advance: who those people might be is a different subject. I have my own ideas on that, but they have little or nothing to do with the Naudet film, other than observing that it seems rather unlikely that two French infidels would be working for a Muslim fundamentalist group -or that that group could penetrate and subvert the Fire Department of New York, which at some level seems to have been involved in the planning of 9/11 — and the Naudet film."
http://serendipity.li/wot/naudet/raphael.htm

Do you agree with that?

The Naudet Brothers film.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2457244225269763926&hl=en#

Explain to the forum how this documentary film is fake, a complete fraud and
how those in it are participating in this fraud. Because in this incredibly important and fascinating movie, Documentary film makers are actually in the WTC Tower as the other tower comes down. So if someone is interested in researching 9/11 how can they possibly not want to experience actually being there as it happens? That's how important a film it is. In this documentary movie you see the planes hit the buildings and you're with Chief Pfieffer as he calls the first one in. Explain to the forum how Pfieffer is a fraud when even though this incredibly catastrophic event has happened he allows the film maker to go along and film, and made himself responsible for the safety of the filmmaker. Tell us how "fake" it is when it shows how the filmmaker looses the Chief in the chaos and takes off running as the other tower comes down debris reining down on him some stranger covers him with their body to protect him as they're pelted and waiting to die. Turns out it wasn't a stranger but Chief Pfieffer. He was responsible for this person and risked his own life to protect someone he hardly knew. As he was doing that his own brother's life was ending. Tell us what a fraud all that is. Explain to the forum how Pfieffer never had a brother who gave his life at the WTC that nearly killed himself, and did kill 343 of his firefighter brothers. Or is his brother still alive? Did he even have a brother? Tell us, prove to me the movie is a fake, and tell how Pfieffer is "in on it".

Want to get a glimpse of what it was like to be a firefighter on 9/11?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2457244225269763926&hl=en#

I'm sorry I can only try and appeal to peoples sympathies and emotions instead of presenting real facts and evidence like a recording of the event as it happened. I don't know what is better evidence than an actual recording of the event, but you go ahead and tell us.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2457244225269763926&hl=en#

Now tell us how fake it is. It's such a shame it's all a fraud, because so many "truthers" have used this movie to point out things, things like building sevens' collapse at the 1:28:28 mark.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2457244225269763926&hl=en#

At the 1:22:45 mark is another famous scene, is it fake, or are the only parts of the movie,.... the parts that ruin your "theory",... fake?  How many have bothered to even watch the full movie?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2457244225269763926&hl=en#

And why would the "U.S." attack itself or allow itself to be attacked? One of several motives shows itself at the 1:52:00 mark.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2457244225269763926&hl=en#

But you go ahead and show us how that's a fake actor. Explain to us all how I got duped and fell for this charade of a movie. I was dumb enough to fall for it, and then had the nerve to berate no planers for trying to expose the "truth", when I can't refute any of the evidence that hasn't been shown and everything I post is "fake". I'm quite an ass, not a gentleman such as yourself. So explain how Pfieffer was "in on" murdering his co workers and own brother. I realize what an ass I've been to consider that to be disgusting and discrediting to the forum and a slander against 9/11 truth itself.  So set me straight on what frauds these firefighters are, show the world that the prisonplanet forum will expose these frauds, to prove how "truthfull" we are.  

Tell us how it's fake, an elaborate acting job. Some people will probably believe it. I'll even help, Joe Pesci makes an appearance at the 1:15:43 mark.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2457244225269763926&hl=en#

or are the only fake parts of the movie,.... the parts that ruin your "theory"? LOL

No planers.....
"I believe — for the reasons in this essay — that those who had both the motive and the effrontery to carry out these attacks also had the motive and the effrontery to film the first one for propaganda purposes, passing it off as the product of luck, complete with a contrived cover story, the one told in the Naudet film."

the Fire Department of New York, which at some level seems to have been involved in the planning of 9/11 — and the Naudet film.
http://serendipity.li/wot/naudet/raphael.htm

343 Members of the Fire Department of New York were murdered on 9/11. You go ahead and defend this shit, and then feel free to mention what an asshole I am for resenting, that it's insisted, we associate ourselves with this disgusting, discrediting, garbage. And maybe just maybe I'll post some evidence myself someday, indicating planes flew into buildings on 9/11. Since all this doesn't seem to count. After all, this is a recording of what happened, not nearly as important as your no plane theory.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2457244225269763926&hl=en#
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: madworld21 on March 09, 2010, 06:31:35 am
There is a threshold that was exceeded long ago.  I would suggest you go through some of this thread or just look at some of jimd3100's 1,000 plus posts dedicated to combatting this nonsense.

If you accept freedom of speech, you must accept everything that comes with it. It can be hurtful and downright cruel, but there can be no limitations. In searching for truth, it can be upsetting.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 09, 2010, 06:35:00 am
No, dishonest no planer, it was one thing and here's the direct quote....
Just to remind this angry being what he originally wrote:

Is he "in on it"? If the answer is yes, you wont be posting here anymore.
Given the fact that he made it clear that he could ban me, combined with the fact that he is being so abusive and so closed-minded, why would I conclude that any other comments could not cause Mr angry to ban me?


I've obviously been a total asshole
Well ...


by not allowing you to expose what a fraud Chief Pfieffer is. Go hog wild. Expose Pfieffer and his fraud firefighter buddies. Show the "truth" of how he's a murderer.
I haven't said he's a fraud or a murderer.  The fact that you have to pretend that I have is very odd.


LOL! Actually an important question would be why are so many people reporting that they saw planes fly into the buildings?
There weren't.  There were far more who didn't report seeing planes.


Quote
Wow, that's a lot of posts.  Some people would hate to have to change their minds about something they have put that much time and energy into, not to mention the amount of abuse they have dished out about it.
Yea, that's probably what it is. Has nothing to do with the credibility of this board
The credibility diminishes when moderators call people turds, idiots, liars, even murderers, etc.
If you disagree with something, that's one thing, but being abusive to "thoughtcriminals" is not consistent with maintaining a credible board, obviously.


or something bigger than you or I and what we "believe", -->9/11 truth.
I am for 9/11 truth.  Whether you reject evidence that interests me is completely irrelevant, and so are all your petty insults.


I've already shown you that not only did firefighters call in watching with their own eyes a commercial airliner fly into the building before ANY media anywhere said a word about planes, and shown you the parts that came from the plane, one of these days you might actually comment on the evidence
As I explained, it is possible to report seeing a plane when there was no plane.  The possibility that you seem obsessed with is that these firefighters are in on it and are simply lying.  I haven't said that.  You've said that.

That's not the only possibility, obviously.


Now I'm going to show it to you as it happened. If this is true, your no planes "theory" is a fraud. It really is that simple.

This from a no planer site....
I'm not interested in your attempts to put words in my mouth.

If you want to discuss the evidence, then do it without being abusive and childish.
If you don't want to discuss the evidence, then don't.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 09, 2010, 06:46:19 am
Andrew Johnson:
Quote
Hi,

Thanks to an additional copy of the programme sent by Steve J, I have now re-authored a DVD of the "On The Edge" Show with Dr Judy Wood and yours truly, as posted here:

http://www.checktheDisInfo.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=275&Itemid=60

(Both copies of the DVD were useful as I ended up using the sound from one and the video from the other!)

I have added to the DVD the following things:

1) Some MP3 audios of Dr Judy Wood's interviews - and a couple of mine.
2) Full set of slides sent to Edge Media - including the "missing" images.
3) 4 extra short videos - "911 Key Evidence", "Thermite Free RFC", CBS Special about lack of construction at Ground Zero, 911 Morning Weather Reports
4) Documents from the Legal Case and the Hutchison Effect and other related documents

If you want a copy, please let me know. Donations of £1 (if you are in the UK) or £2.50 (if you are outside the UK) or more are requested but not required, to cover costs. If you want more than 1 copy (which you can hopefully give to others!), just let me know how many you want.

PayPal to [email protected]

You can either send the value in UK postage stamps or send a UK cheque to

Andrew "DickHead" Johnson
XX XXXX Drive
Borrowash
Derbyshire
XXXX XX
UK

Don't forget to include your address if I don't already have it!

Please forward this as you see fit.

Thanks for your help and support etc.

Andrew
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Leftovers on March 09, 2010, 06:47:22 am
I think the no plane theory ruins 9/11 truth .
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 09, 2010, 06:58:58 am
I think the no plane theory ruins 9/11 truth .
Interesting first post.
Do you have another account?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Leftovers on March 09, 2010, 07:01:55 am
Interesting first post.
Do you have another account?

Yes I think their were planes and terrorists..but I think the CIA and the carlyle group helped the 19 pull it off from the time they entered the country.Why, without reading this whole thread tell me your theory?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 09, 2010, 07:07:40 am
Yes I think their were planes and terrorists..but I think the CIA and the carlyle group helped the 19 pull it off from the time they entered the country.
Did you misunderstand the question?

Do you have a different account on the prisonplanet forum?  If not, how did you come to post your first post in this thread?

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I don't think there were any hijackers.  The list of names contained people who turned out to be alive, reported by the BBC and then forgotten by the BBC.  As far as I know the list of hijackers has not been corrected.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Leftovers on March 09, 2010, 07:09:28 am
Did you misunderstand the question?

Do you have a different account on the prisonplanet forum?  If not, how did you come to post your first post in this thread?

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I don't think there were any hijackers.  The list of names contained people who turned out to be alive, reported by the BBC and then forgotten by the BBC.  As far as I know the list of hijackers has not been corrected.

I applied for an account Friday and it was just approved this topic just happened to be there so i replied.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 09, 2010, 07:15:54 am
I applied for an account Friday and it was just approved this topic just happened to be there so i replied.
You dont have to justify yourself, Leftovers.  The person that should justify their position is selling disinfo fluff, shamelessly.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Leftovers on March 09, 2010, 07:19:14 am
You dont have to justify yourself, Leftovers.  The person that should justify their position is selling disinfo fluff, shamelessly.

Thanks and nice to meet you he's a bit paranoid I guess?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 09, 2010, 07:32:08 am
Thanks and nice to meet you he's a bit paranoid I guess?
I just thought it was a bit strange that the very first post you made on the prisonplanet forum was in a thread labelled DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS in a hidden away subforum, out of all of the threads to choose from.

And it was.

Oh well.  Welcome to the thread.

Let's try and steer it back on topic shall we.

What do you think of the evidence presented in the following video:

1/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew "Dickhead" Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU

2/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrnvI0N9rKg

3/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOzBUFOR8

4/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6bUW3RczGA

5/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-brf4LBiE

6/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlck_uf1-ZE

7/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcsztFp105g

8/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEZ2OHaxUw

9/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXRICy-k6DY

10/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 57s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMeygS9QOOY
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 09, 2010, 07:38:35 am
If you accept freedom of speech, you must accept everything that comes with it. It can be hurtful and downright cruel, but there can be no limitations. In searching for truth, it can be upsetting.

I can respect your position but have looked through your posts and this is the only one that seems to be 911 related so you may not be fully aware of this ongoing struggle with fact.  
I would suggest a couple points, respectfully:
(a)  look through this thread and you will see a pattern that is repeated again and again like an endless merry-go-round -- just like we saw here.  But it has to be repeated or people starting crying that they dont have a platform,

(b)  though this isnt always the case there is a powerful group with a vested interest in suppressing the truth and one of the main environments for this activity is the net and forums like this where they push DISINFO that can be picked up by others that lack scrutiny and it evolves into MISINFO,

(c)  There has been serious work done on 911 by serious people and DEW has been discarded.  I would suspect if you were more versed on the subject you may understand where people are coming from a little bit better.  Did you watch the video supplied by Jimd3100 featuring the 2 scientists? or the one with Deagle and Jones?

When questions get answered it is time to move on to other questions UNLESS there is something new and valid to consider.  What we have here madworld is old and we have lots of evidence that needs answers.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 09, 2010, 07:45:29 am
Thanks and nice to meet you he's a bit paranoid I guess?

Unfortunately there is no cognitive ability test to join this forum. 
Andrew Johnson lacks the discernment to figure that possibly it was one of the top threads in the active board that may have prompted you to check it out.  That's okay scrutiny isnt his strongest suit as you can see.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 09, 2010, 07:58:09 am
I can respect your position but have looked through your posts and this is the only one that seems to be 911 related so you may not be fully aware of this ongoing struggle with fact.  
I would suggest a couple points, respectfully:
(a)  look through this thread and you will see a pattern that is repeated again and again like an endless merry-go-round -- just like we saw here.  But it has to be repeated or people starting crying that they dont have a platform,
Yes, look through this thread and see the pattern of abuse and the lack of analysis of the evidence presented.

But obviously you've already seen that, as grapecrusher1 is no doubt aware.


(b)  though this isnt always the case there is a powerful group with a vested interest in suppressing the truth and one of the main environments for this activity is the net and forums like this where they push DISINFO that can be picked up by others that lack scrutiny and it evolves into MISINFO,
What, like thermite?
http://911termitefree.blogspots.com/

Andrew Johnson - No Thermite on 911 - The New 911 Cover Up - Ralph Winterrowd - 01 Mar 2010 - mp3 (http://www.checktheDisinfo.com/audio/911/Andrew%20Johnson%20-%20No%20Thermite%20on%20911%20-%20The%20New%20911%20Cover%20Up%20-%20Ralph%20Winterrowd%20-%2001%20Mar%202010.mp3)


(c)  There has been serious work done on 911 by serious people and DEW has been discarded.
LOL
So there it is.  It's been discarded, so you can't be surprised when people abuse you for looking into it.

Amazing.


I would suspect if you were more versed on the subject you may understand where people are coming from a little bit better.  Did you watch the video supplied by Jimd3100 featuring the 2 scientists? or the one with Deagle and Jones?
There was also a response by Andrew Johnson to that video.

Jones & Deagle - “Micronukes vs Thermite/Thermate at WTC” (http://www.checkthedisinfo.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=45)

Also, look into what William Zabel, for example, has uncovered about Deagle.


When questions get answered it is time to move on to other questions UNLESS there is something new and valid to consider.  What we have here madworld is old and we have lots of evidence that needs answers.
Never mind who answered those questions and how, they've been answered, so stop thinking about it.

Is this supposed to be coming across as dictatorial?


Unfortunately there is no cognitive ability test to join this forum.  
Andrew Johnson lacks the discernment to figure that possibly it was one of the top threads in the active board that may have prompted you to check it out.  That's okay scrutiny isnt his strongest suit as you can see.
What evidence do you have for that statement?

"I don't like the nasty man" doesn't count.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Leftovers on March 09, 2010, 08:12:38 am
So matrix; do you think the planes were remote controlled?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 09, 2010, 08:14:38 am
So matrix; do you think the planes were remote controlled?

Leftovers, Leftovers, there were no planes.  Ahh so much to learn.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 09, 2010, 08:18:01 am
So matrix; do you think the planes were remote controlled?
What do you think of the evidence presented in those videos I posted?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Leftovers on March 09, 2010, 08:21:37 am
What do you think of the evidence presented in those videos I posted?

It was mostly Judy Wood stuff i've seen it before she's nuts.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Leftovers on March 09, 2010, 08:22:44 am
Leftovers, Leftovers, there were no planes.  Ahh so much to learn.

So it was a mass illusion wow I better read back some ..lol
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 09, 2010, 08:25:45 am
It was mostly Judy Wood stuff
Wow, that was quick.


i've seen it before she's nuts.
No, she isn't.
She's a highly qualified scientist, and she sticks to the evidence, unlike the people who dismiss her as nuts.

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I can see that some people have been successfully conditioned not to critically analyse Dr Wood's evidence.  Some people don't even seem capable of critical thinking.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Leftovers on March 09, 2010, 08:36:16 am
Im new here I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers. I just think your theory is way out there, and harms 911 truth...there was planes and there was hijackers the key to truth about 911 involvement lies in palm beach county Fl were the terrorists spent the summer.That's were they were aided and abetted til the buildings fell.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 09, 2010, 08:47:18 am
I just think your theory
It isn't my theory.


is way out there,
The theory is based on the evidence, not what it sounds like to people.


and harms 911 truth...
What exactly is 9/11 truth?

Is it about looking at the evidence and using it to try to bring the perpetrators to justice?  In theory it is.

But that's what Dr. Judy Wood is doing, and her court case against NIST was not even mentioned by the "truth movement", as Andrew Johnson said at the end of the video that you didn't watch.

Much of 9/11 truth seems to be about ignoring certain evidence and smearing people who discuss it.  What has that got to do with the pursuit of truth?


there was planes and there was hijackers
Just saying it doesn't make it true, no matter how many times you say it.


the key to truth about 911 involvement lies in palm beach county Fl were the terrorists spent the summer.That's were they were aided and abetted til the buildings fell.
Well you're free to spend your time investigating that, and you can probably post as much as you want about that without being relentlessly insulted.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Anti_Illuminati on March 09, 2010, 09:01:48 am
It isn't my theory.

The theory is based on the evidence, not what it sounds like to people.

What exactly is 9/11 truth?

Is it about looking at the evidence and using it to try to bring the perpetrators to justice?  In theory it is.

But that's what Dr. Judy Wood is doing, and her court case against NIST was not even mentioned by the "truth movement", as Andrew Johnson said at the end of the video that you didn't watch.

Much of 9/11 truth seems to be about ignoring certain evidence and smearing people who discuss it.  What has that got to do with the pursuit of truth?

Just saying it doesn't make it true, no matter how many times you say it.

Well you're free to spend your time investigating that, and you can probably post as much as you want about that without being relentlessly insulted.
Explain why an interoperable architecture had to be engineered to enable drills to be carried out based on the fact that the very execution of the 9/11 drills was requisite on DoD systems being interoperable and integrated into the FAA?  How is no planes into the towers supported by this documented implementation that was completed before 9/11?  Why would you need interoperability for flight controls, and air traffic control if you aren't going to use real planes?  This interoperability was made possible by a program that had all of the capabilities of the PROMIS software.  Are you affiliated with Nico Haupt's (ewing2001) claim also that "no planes" supposedly had something to do with Future Combat Systems?

Why was the Ptech investigation shut down (which could have led to the discovery of totally backdoored systems agency wide)  If there were no planes involved?  There is zero documented evidence that Ptech/PROMIS has had any relevance to alleged video fakery within the context of 9/11 that I have seen.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Trypt on March 09, 2010, 09:20:20 am
All you have to do is watch the original live feeds from that day to know there were no big Boings that flew into the towers that day, and that the media is seriously complicit in this event.  Planes do not melt into buildings, they don't dissapear into steel and concrete, they break apart, wings flying everywhere, etc.  Not to mention that the 5 live vids don't match up.  Please, I know it seems so out of whack, but get away from your programming and go check out the live vids from that day, and compare all 5 of them (there were only 5).  One of the feeds the NWO forgot about, and it clearly shows something other then a plane, you be the judge, but it certainly isn't any Boing. 

As a physicist I knew on that day something was funny, but I still couldn't put it together, because I have been so conditioned to believe what I see, especially on "live" tv.  It took years of thinking about it and finally seeing September Clues for me to start doing deep research.  There is absolutely no doubt, the media sold us a cartoon.  If you're unable to come to grips with this, fine, but let us do our research and expose those who are complicit.

As far as Judy and her space weapons, this needs more evidence.  We all know that the towers were demolished, and it does seem amazing that the steel turned to dust (one of the vids shows this in incredible detail), but the sheer force and energy involved in that demolition, including thermite, may have been enough.  This is tougher to prove with pure physics, as there are too many variables.  But physics leaves no room on two things.  There were no big boings that day melting into buildings, and the three towers were brought down by controlled demolition. 

Once you understand the physics, if you need more proof, just research interviews from that day, and it'll be clear to you in no time.

Good luck!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Freeski on March 09, 2010, 10:12:47 am
Trypt, have you got a link/source for this footage?

"One of the feeds the NWO forgot about, and it clearly shows something other then a plane, you be the judge, but it certainly isn't any Boing."

Thanks.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Trypt on March 09, 2010, 10:37:02 am
Whatever I give you, people will say its doctored or whatever.  Like I said, find friends who recorded live from that day, there were 5 feeds (Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS and a local affiliate), that way you know for a fact they are originals.  When you compare them, you'll know without a shadow of a doubt that what you're seeing is not live, but a delayed feed of about 17 seconds (amazing how all the feeds had a "hiccup" at exactly 17 seconds before the "plane" crash).  When you compare the trajectory of the planes, you'll see each is different and does not match the others.

The FOX feed with the nose-out is the one that caused all the attention and created the need for more investigation (which quickly proved that the nose-out was from the cartoon plane added).  If you haven't seen the NOSE OUT vids, then by all means do it, and you'll right away want to see more.  Search for Nose Out FOX, but better just to watch September Clues.

But the nail in the coffin was the NBC feed, which was the only one they forgot about.  Here is the original vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4YoC14qi4c&feature=related (show this to anyone who doubts.. its clear even in this low quality vid) but it is low quality (another  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhBfNdeXXrQ&feature=related).  Try to find a high quality vid, and you can clearly see a missile from the top right (you can see it in this vid too, but its very faint, coming from the top right, at high speed).

If that is not enough, check what NBC did afterwards.  That same night, they replayed this video, but the background was blacked out, with only the explosion, and they called it a live feed.  They made a huge error, but somehow the sheople just don't get it.

"September Clues" will explain it all to you, watch it and be awakened.  Watch it with an inquisitive mind and you won't have a shred of doubt anymore, at all.  

The people on this board that claim this is disinfo refuse to even watch, because they are afraid that their paradigm will be destroyed.  Anyone who does the research which I have just told you about cannot possibly come away from it with any doubt about the no-plane theory.  It is 100%.  And that is just video evidence.  If you have any understanding of physics, then you should be half way there already.

9/11 Taboo, September Clues, watch those two, and come back to me for more.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on March 09, 2010, 06:37:47 pm
september clues is government disinformation.

do not push it on this forum.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Freeski on March 09, 2010, 06:37:57 pm
Explain why an interoperable architecture had to be engineered to enable drills to be carried out based on the fact that the very execution of the 9/11 drills was requisite on DoD systems being interoperable and integrated into the FAA?  How is no planes into the towers supported by this documented implementation that was completed before 9/11?  Why would you need interoperability for flight controls, and air traffic control if you aren't going to use real planes?  This interoperability was made possible by a program that had all of the capabilities of the PROMIS software.  Are you affiliated with Nico Haupt's (ewing2001) claim also that "no planes" supposedly had something to do with Future Combat Systems?

Why was the Ptech investigation shut down (which could have led to the discovery of totally backdoored systems agency wide)  If there were no planes involved?  There is zero documented evidence that Ptech/PROMIS has had any relevance to alleged video fakery within the context of 9/11 that I have seen.

Maybe it's like with movie stars who have to learn, practice and hone everything, before the actual simulation.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Freeski on March 09, 2010, 06:55:19 pm
I just thought it was a bit strange that the very first post you made on the prisonplanet forum was in a thread labelled DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS in a hidden away subforum, out of all of the threads to choose from.

And it was.

Oh well.  Welcome to the thread.

Let's try and steer it back on topic shall we.

What do you think of the evidence presented in the following video:

1/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU

2/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrnvI0N9rKg

3/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOzBUFOR8

4/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6bUW3RczGA

5/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-brf4LBiE

6/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlck_uf1-ZE

7/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcsztFp105g

8/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEZ2OHaxUw

9/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXRICy-k6DY

10/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 57s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMeygS9QOOY

Finally finished this. Any examination of 9/11 is fascinating!

Here's my review: (from a no-plane virgin... in fact there's way more interesting stuff that DOESN'T involve airplanes)

1) It's got some of the best disintegration clips I've seen

2) No mainstream media ground level video of the second plane hitting?

3) Back to the disintegration, can a nano thermate reaction do that?

4) What's with the Hurricane? (there've been two "Erins", apparently, after a quick search - 9/11 and 65 I seem to remember)

5) Could there be a combo of the two? Planned implosion/obliteration from inside and out?

I've never paid the "no-plane" theory too much interest, so half my points have likely already been hashed to death, but it's also possible that -- divide and conquer being a routine governmental tactic -- our overlords are making us care about something that just does not matter in the big picture. We all know the official story is a lie. Next.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 09, 2010, 10:47:02 pm
1/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU

What Matrixcutter is linking to is a youtube account the account is that of a No Planer in the UK named Andrew Johnson.

From youtube account: http://www.youtube.com/user/adjuk

Name:Andrew
Hometown:Skipton, N YorksCountry:United Kingdom

Website:http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk

Website:http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk is the Website of a No Planer in the UK named Andrew Johnson.

Andrew Johnsons website
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/contact.htm

Hometown:Skipton, N YorksCountry:United Kingdom
http://www.youtube.com/user/adjuk

Andrew Johnson:

He seems a tad obsessed with advertising for No Planer Andrew Johnson

Andrew Johnson:


Andrew Johnson
 (http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=46)

And his websites...

http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=46
what did you think about that?

BTW I "checked your evidence and I have addressed your non evidence, but you can't mine....
According to a website you push on here, which is one of the dumbest and illogical sites I've seen, says this in regards to firefighter statements.....

A number of witnesses reported that they didn’t realize that the second impact was that of a plane – many of them “found out later”.
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemid=60

In summary "no shit sherlock"

Back to your "obsession"....

You might be interested in this too.
Andrew Johnson:

This has been steered into a discussion about no planes theory, but Dr. Judy Wood's work is not about planes.  And it is not about space beams.

Nice try No Planer....
It seems this exotic space beam weaponry and no planes on 9/11 go hand in hand

Not necessarily, but generally, yes.

9-11 Finding the Truth (DEW and No Planes)
Andrew Johnson

http://exposureroom.com/members/adjohnson/06d56d572baf4bdf808b3d9e15cd40a1/

I sure have been a nice guy to let you advertise
Andrew Johnson:

What do you think of the evidence presented in the following video:

1/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU

Andrew Johnson - No Thermite on 911 - The New 911 Cover Up - Ralph Winterrowd - 01 Mar 2010

Interesting....but I'm such a nice guy I even sat and allowed No Planers to come on this board and allowed them to ask you fellow members for money to help support Andrew Johnson and his No Plane crusade, the prison planet forum is being used to help fund No Plane DisInfo, it's mostly about attention and spreading the word(for more attention and destruction of the truth,) these Disinfo fools aren't making much money, but free money is free money, and this is the thread to pick up some new customers and attention. how's that for progress for the prisonplanet forum?......

Quote
"On The Edge" Show with Dr Judy Wood and yours truly, as posted here:

http://www.checktheDisInfoevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=275&Itemid=60       (edited by the mean mod)

(Both copies of the DVD were useful as I ended up using the sound from one and the video from the other!)

I have added to the DVD the following things:

1) Some MP3 audios of Dr Judy Wood's interviews - and a couple of mine.
2) Full set of slides sent to Edge Media - including the "missing" images.
3) 4 extra short videos - "911 Key Evidence", "Thermite Free RFC", CBS Special about lack of construction at Ground Zero, 911 Morning Weather Reports
4) Documents from the Legal Case and the Hutchison Effect and other related documents

If you want a copy, please let me know. Donations of £1 (if you are in the UK) or £2.50 (if you are outside the UK) or more are requested but not required, to cover costs. If you want more than 1 copy (which you can hopefully give to others!), just let me know how many you want.

PayPal to [email protected] (edited by the mean mod)

You can either send the value in UK postage stamps or send a UK cheque to

Andrew Johnson
XX XXXX
Borrowash                         (edited by the mean mod)
Derbyshire
XXXXXXXX
UK

Don't forget to include your address if I don't already have it!

Please forward this as you see fit.

Thanks for your help and support etc.

Andrew
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=945.msg964407#msg964407

He's got several ads in here if you pay attention. He's asking for money on this forum to support the No Plane cause....

So Matrixcutter(who also happens to be in the UK) is really Andrew Johnson, or someone who works for him if he isn't. When one raises money for a person or organization they work for them.

9-11 Finding the Truth (DEW and No Planes)
Andrew Johnson

In this presentation we will look at:

Evidence which indicates there were no large Boeing crashes at the WTC.

Evidence that there is an active an ongoing effort to cover up and discredit research into “DEW” and “No Planes” and some of those individuals undertaking this activity.

http://exposureroom.com/members/adjohnson/06d56d572baf4bdf808b3d9e15cd40a1/

I'm not the owner of this forum. It isn't mine. I'm not the site admin. That would be someone who spits out articles like a machine useing them as constant bullets against the corrupt system we live under. He's also in the UK. From one of his articles....


Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, April 22, 2008

We too have witnessed the "no-plane" fringe group transform from an idle nuisance into a hostile danger. The group's self-proclaimed "research" is so lacking in credibility that it has been seized upon by debunkers and used as a tar baby to smear the truth movement as a whole. The refusal to allow such kookery a foothold in the mainstream truth movement has resulted in threats and hatred being hurled towards prominent 9/11 truth researchers such as Steven Jones.

Many have fingered the more prominent "no-planers" as agent provocateurs or COINTELPRO, whose goal is to divide and destroy the 9/11 Truth Movement

When it comes to a point whereby peaceful activists who have done so much good for 9/11 truth and the heroes of 9/11 are being physically attacked it's time to stand up in unison and denounce this cancer upon our movement.

Watch Alex Jones' cutting and hilarious take on no-planers below.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/042208_assault_videos.htm

And you have the nerve to come on this forum asking for money to support your Disinfo cause, and think we are going to sit here and take it like some chumps? I took the liberty of f**king up most of your links. Now cry me a river no planer.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on March 10, 2010, 12:13:02 am
I thought that 'matrixcutter' who posted links to Alan Watt's broadcasts would of known that September Clues and the whole No-Plane issue was complete and utter b/s........ because he posted links to Alan Watt's broadcasts.  :P

Usually one would assume (wrongly in this case) that if your a frequent listener of Alan Watt you'd have a greater deal of discernment and ability to spot b/s.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 12, 2010, 07:50:16 am
Not that No planers consider evidence. 

This just out of Cryptome:
http://cryptome.org/info/wtc-punch/wtc-punch.htm (http://cryptome.org/info/wtc-punch/wtc-punch.htm)

There are also some other pictures on the site showing chunks of humans scattered all over the place including the lower half (I think) of somebody situated on a building ledge.  What would explain that?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on March 12, 2010, 08:20:23 am
I'm just going to point out that I am not Andrew Johnson, and that linking to the DVDs he is selling at cost price does not mean that he employs me.

Hopefully this information will not be deleted for a second time.

Obviously discussion of directed energy weaponry is not possible on this forum without reference to the no planes theory, and clearly reasonable discussion of no planes within the "9/11 truth movement" is verboten.

Back to the microchip agenda for me.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: gabba2k7 on March 12, 2010, 09:25:03 am
OMG, Is there 10-page-discussion of "No plane theory" ?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on March 12, 2010, 09:26:49 am
OMG, Is there 10-page-discussion of "No plane theory" ?

No, it's a discussion on DEWs.

Directed Energy Weapon
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 13, 2010, 06:14:25 am
clearly reasonable discussion of no planes within the "9/11 truth movement" is verboten.

I saw that you couldn't debunk the Naudet Brothers movie.  

Some more "reasonable discussion" from No Plane a**holes. From the maker of "September Clues".....
no one died on 911.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Anyone who watches this disgusting crap and still backs September Clues and the no plane disinfo do society a favor and kill yourself. BTW My cousin Liz died in a head on car crash 15 years ago while on her way to work, she was 18. She is not listed in the SSDI. I checked. Guess what? She's still dead.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on March 16, 2010, 02:57:40 pm
This is dedicated to all you former "No Planers" who have woke up to the DisInfo.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE


Now THAT'S Rock-N-Roll!!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on March 24, 2010, 02:16:00 am
No nukes.

Conventional explosives (professional grade demolition grade) and/or cutting-edge (nano-thermite) of which there is plenty of evidence.

If nukes had been used, radioactivity would still be traceable/elevated.  I've got to believe some of the engineers in the truth community have looked into this already.  Bottom line, though, there was no need for mini-nukes, so unlikely they were used.

I won't even lower myself to address the "scalar weapons" crowd.  Lets' deal with what we already know.  Buildings collapsed at free-fall speed.  No prior history of steel strucures felled by fire.  Melting point higher than temp. of burning jet fuel.  WTC7 falls after it's collpapse is reported on BBC -- no jet fuel there.  Owner says, "pull it."  Traces of nano-thermite found in dust.  What more does anybody need?

Nukes?  Scalar weapons?  Ward is righ about one thing: Zionist-extremist lightning.  Everything else is balderdash.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Free Planet on March 24, 2010, 03:24:03 am
no radiation and pyroplastic dust is now taken care of by THERMOBARIC WEAPONS (uses nano-aluminium powder as a dry fuel source inside WTC, oxygen in the air-con is the transport medium) remember how the WTC's seemed to IMPLODE? key word....

Explained here:

Thermobaric weapons @ WTC on 9-11?
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2010/03/thermobaric-weapons-wtc-on-9-11.html
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 24, 2010, 05:06:54 am
Looks like explosions to me.

(http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg)

Here is Steven Jones, a NUCLEAR physicist, discussing nukes and 911 with Deagle, a quack who claims expertise in pretty much everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ9-RzMtzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ9-RzMtzM)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on March 24, 2010, 06:49:58 am
no radiation and pyroplastic dust is now taken care of by THERMOBARIC WEAPONS (uses nano-aluminium powder as a dry fuel source inside WTC, oxygen in the air-con is the transport medium) remember how the WTC's seemed to IMPLODE? key word....

Explained here:

Thermobaric weapons @ WTC on 9-11?
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2010/03/thermobaric-weapons-wtc-on-9-11.html
Thermobaric weapons unlike mini-nukes, or more exotic (impossible?) weapons seem plausible, but again where is the evidence of the nano-aluminum materials that should have been released then?

There were definitely explosions, and there is evidence of nano-thermite material.  Occam's razor would suggest this is how it was done.  Thermite could have easily been used to cut the structural steel.  I will try to post some basic information on the nano-thermite theory for those unfamiliar with it.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Free Planet on March 24, 2010, 07:00:07 am
you've clearly NOT read the blogpost about it,

Prof Stephen Jones IS QUOTED as saying the WTC dust was SATURATED with nano-aluminium particulate, no? Jones has merely focussed his chemical analysis of dust on 'components of nano-thermite' when the same components can also account for thermobaric nano-powder, as used TODAY in bunker buster bombs.

:)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on March 24, 2010, 07:10:54 am
you've clearly NOT read the blogpost about it,

Prof Stephen Jones IS QUOTED as saying the WTC dust was SATURATED with nano-aluminium particulate, no? Jones has merely focussed his chemical analysis of dust on 'components of nano-thermite' when the same components can also account for thermobaric nano-powder, as used TODAY in bunker buster bombs.
OK, fair enough.  I re-read it.  You've got to give time for new information like this to set in.  Yes, it does seem logical that some of the particulate aluminum found in spectral analysis "could" be thermobaric explosive material as well as nano-thermite (which was defnitely detected!)  That is not the same as saying that this material would be indistinguisable from nano-thermite (which could also contain ferric oxides for instance).  Neither is this the same as saying that nanomaterials from thermobaric weapons was definitely detected.  Again, I am not ruling this out, only saying more evidence would be needed to the idea that this very advanced technology was used, for sure.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on March 24, 2010, 07:17:13 am
you've clearly NOT read the blogpost about it,

Prof Stephen Jones IS QUOTED as saying the WTC dust was SATURATED with nano-aluminium particulate, no? Jones has merely focussed his chemical analysis of dust on 'components of nano-thermite' when the same components can also account for thermobaric nano-powder, as used TODAY in bunker buster bombs.

:)

Don't you think you should say that it is your blog?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Free Planet on March 24, 2010, 07:53:45 am
Don't you think you should say that it is your blog?

That wouldn't change the facts. And why should I just repeat what you've just said?

:)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: H0llyw00d on April 03, 2010, 10:45:17 am
Dear Donald Rumsfeld,
 We here @ Prison Planet Forum are having an open, equal and free thinking, rational debate over here on a 9/11 issue, and we know you or one of your buds there, (Shooter Cheney maybe?..or Mr. Larry "Lets pull it" Silverstein?) can clear this lil quagmire up for us? We need to know, what was used on WTC 1 & 2, and 7. Was it mini-nukes, or was it conventional explosives w/ thermite cutters??
Please end this silly argument for us so we can carry on to more important things like finding out who really did this to us.
Thanks for all you've done so far...
Sincerely,
A REAL American Patriot

PS: Have CC'd copies to Bush(s), Cheney, Rice, Silverstein
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on April 28, 2010, 05:31:08 pm
I am not a proponent of Israel/Mossad/Zionist-extremist only theories, but here is a good article today linking Ehud Barak and Israel to nanothermite company before and on 911:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/aritcle.asp?ID=12608

Again, no nukes!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: larsonstdoc on April 29, 2010, 02:41:04 am



   http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/44286/NEW_9_11_VIDEO_MISSILE_STRIKE_PENTAGON/
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on April 29, 2010, 02:44:41 am
*Sigh* I wish these Pentagon theories would go away ... all they have ever done is discredit the hard science and documented facts.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on April 29, 2010, 03:12:12 am
First,  I am confused at where the fly over video came from. I can't find the source video at the moment.
Second, what is the AA object and where did that AA object photo come from.
Third, it has always dumbfounded me why people don't focus on the negligence, and prior knowledge to prove that 9/11 was a false flag event. Why try to prove the most difficult questions of 9/11; when all you need to prove is that there was a botched investigation. That would be enough to reopen any case. 

*Sigh* I wish these Pentagon theories would go away ... all they have ever done is discredit the hard science and documented facts.

This I completely agree with.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: attietewd on April 29, 2010, 09:39:57 am



http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/16052/9_11_commissioner_slips_up__Missile_hit_Pentagon/ (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/16052/9_11_commissioner_slips_up__Missile_hit_Pentagon/)


Quote
Former 9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer slips up and says a missile hit the Pentagon on 9/11. George W. Bush also slips up and describes explosives in the World Trade Center towers. Donald Rumsfeld slips up as well saying that United 93 was shot down in Pennsylvania.

Silverstein slips up and says that they pulled WTC 7.

The really don't care if they slip up. They've got away with it. They're all laughing at us.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on April 29, 2010, 02:23:22 pm


http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/16052/9_11_commissioner_slips_up__Missile_hit_Pentagon/ (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/16052/9_11_commissioner_slips_up__Missile_hit_Pentagon/)



This is all circumstantial evidence. 
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: portuguese anarchist on May 05, 2010, 04:57:41 am
Daniel Estulin has resurrected his blog (http://www.danielestulin.com/) and, among other things, has started posting some parts of a video containing an interview made to a former "nuclear intelligence officer" of the Soviet military where the latter explains how the WTC towers were demolished through the use of nuclear devices.

This is an absolute must-see!

http://www.3truth911.com/911_WTC_nuclear_demolition_Dimitri_Khalezov_part01.mp4

(Just keep changing the numbers in the url field from "part01" to "part02", etc, until "part26".)


The interview seems to be incomplete, since that at the end of "part26 (http://www.3truth911.com/911_WTC_nuclear_demolition_Dimitri_Khalezov_part26.mp4)", the interviewer talks about further statements about to be made by the interviewed, but I can't find any more parts of this video.

Estulin has only published "part07 (http://www.danielestulin.com/2010/04/19/secretos-del-11-s-a-la-luz-i/)" and 08 (http://www.danielestulin.com/2010/04/21/secretos-del-11-s-a-la-luz-ii/) in his blog so far, and has posted in his Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Daniel-Estulin/107222202629960) a week ago a warning (http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=119208551439648&id=107222202629960) that the Thai and American governments were on the brink of shutting down the server were some "videos about secrets of September 11" he was downloading were being hosted, so I don't know if the missing part(?) is one of those videos or not. We'll wait and see.

In the meantime, for those of you in a hurry, the core of the "nuclear demolition" explanation is from "part07 (http://www.3truth911.com/911_WTC_nuclear_demolition_Dimitri_Khalezov_part07.mp4)" to "part16".


Like the former officer claims in "part22 (http://www.3truth911.com/911_WTC_nuclear_demolition_Dimitri_Khalezov_part22.mp4)", his statements about no planes being used to attack the WTC, are just his personal opinion, and not a fact that he knows for sure, like the case of the "nuclear demolition" of the WTC.

Personally, I'm still not sure what to think about the planes, and the author (a former dedicated government officer, who surely would have a hard time believing that a government would be capable of killing it's own citizens) doesn't explain how and why would then the US government, in such a short notice, be able to fabricate the images that were presented to the whole world, a few minutes after the attacks... But all I will say about the "nuclear demolition" explanation is that everything adds up!

Watch the video and make your own judgment.

Also, perhaps a good idea is to save it, since the associated web site that is referenced at the end of each part (the functioning one is the one that ends with ".cn" (http://www.911thology.cn/)) also talks about the possibility of this type of videos being pulled off the Internet at any time.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: attietewd on May 05, 2010, 10:53:55 am
I could not get any of them to work.  They are removed, down, and could not be displayed.  That was quick!  Must have had a lot of info.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jerryweaver on May 05, 2010, 11:37:48 am
I met William Rodriguez in 2006. I saw this vid last month and have had time to think. Mr Rodriguez story and this guys are incompatable. Me thinks this mans story is disinfo. regards
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on May 05, 2010, 11:42:26 am
Total dis-info

Can not even be bothered to be sarcastic

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: portuguese anarchist on May 05, 2010, 05:07:26 pm
attietewd:

I've just tested the links and they are working. Try again.


EvadingGrid:

I can see from an e-mail warning I've received that you were the one who moved the post to the "Faux Controversies" sub-forum, so I deduce you were also the one who renamed it.
Would you care to explain to me what did you find in the presentation I call people's attention for that lead you to the conclusion that this is disinformation?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on May 05, 2010, 05:15:44 pm
I see someone deleted my post, too.  But, that's OK.

E.G., I think you were totally right to re-name and move the thread, making my somewhat sarcastic comment unnecessary anyway. And, really, you're right.

This disinfo doesn't deserve anybody's time of day.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: portuguese anarchist on May 05, 2010, 07:51:56 pm
Now I see that Sane has moved my topic from the "Off Topic / Faux Controversies / Whining Threads / UFO's" sub-forum to the "9/11/2001 Attacks Were An Inside Job > Faux Controversies and Case Studies" one.
Would you please, Sane, also explain to me why does this post not deserve to be part of the open(?) discussion concerning the possible explanations for the WTC collapse, and worthy of the label "faux controversy" or "disinformation"? What arguments presented by the author in question, concerning the collapse of the WTC, do you consider to be blatantly false to the point of you considering them obvious disinformation?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on May 06, 2010, 09:22:42 pm
Now I see that Sane has moved my topic from the "Off Topic / Faux Controversies / Whining Threads / UFO's" sub-forum to the "9/11/2001 Attacks Were An Inside Job > Faux Controversies and Case Studies" one.
Would you please, Sane, also explain to me why does this post not deserve to be part of the open(?) discussion concerning the possible explanations for the WTC collapse, and worthy of the label "faux controversy" or "disinformation"? What arguments presented by the author in question, concerning the collapse of the WTC, do you consider to be blatantly false to the point of you considering them obvious disinformation?

Now I see that portuguese anarchist has gotten his panties in a twist. Would you please, portuguese anarchist, also explain to me why doesn't this post deserve to be part of the same discussion explored in over 100 posts in explaining the WTC collapse, and not worthy of being a part of said conversation? What arguments presented by the author in question are different that the ones presented by others for the last 8 years, concerning the collapse of the WTC, do you consider to be blatantly true to the point of you considering them obvious truthful information?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: portuguese anarchist on May 06, 2010, 10:32:24 pm
I'm assuming that you're asking me why does this post not deserve to be part of the "Faux Controversies and Case Studies" 9/11 sub-forum...

I don't know how is it different from other similar(?) posts, because I've never read or watched this kind of explanation before anywhere. (Concerning 9/11, that is. I remember Alex once interviewing a doctor, concerning the Oklahoma City bombing, where the latter said that mini-nukes were also used in this attack (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904okcbombing.htm). That was the only time I heard or read anything somewhat similar.)

I don't have time to be here making a resume of the presentation and make my own drawings. If you all want to know what the arguments are, just watch the presentation. (I realize that it is quite a long interview, so for those of you who don't have much time, I have left in the post a reference to where the core arguments are made.)

Also, above all, I don't have to justify why should I not be censored (or have my post removed from it's proper/initial place). You, the moderators who moved it, are the ones who have to justify why you did it or, otherwise, let me freely make posts in here in their proper place.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: portuguese anarchist on May 10, 2010, 04:46:33 am
(Let's see if this post is not also deleted...)

I'm writing to warn people that, I don't know why but, there are two missing posts in this conversation that I just realized were deleted by someone with the power to in this forum.

And this are: a first one calling people's attention to the existence of torrents of the presentation I talk about (that has no copyright warning whatsoever), and a second were I publish a warning I've received from the forum via e-mail of yet another replacement of my initial post (that I have every right to tell people about), that led me to the decision of leaving this forum:

Quote from: portuguese anarchist on: 07 May 2010, 04:56
The web site seems to be down, but I can see there are torrents available on the web.

Quote from: portuguese anarchist on: 08 May 2010, 08:33
"Topic merged: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS"

"date   Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:48 AM"

"A topic you are watching has been merged with another topic by Sane."


I'm out of here!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: flaming_red_pill on May 10, 2010, 10:47:07 am
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4706/connecty.png)

hope its relevant lol
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: goldengram1993 on May 26, 2010, 04:12:32 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXda5Kn2LAM

Follow that link, watch the video. What do you think? I really can't make a judgment because weren't there a lot of people who did in fact see a plain that were trustworthy eyewitnesses?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on May 26, 2010, 04:15:58 pm
Was there really a "plane".   Yes, at least three that I know of.  Not so sure about the fourth.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on May 26, 2010, 04:23:07 pm
Yes there were planes that hit the WTC and pentagon on 9/11.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on May 26, 2010, 04:49:19 pm
Shanksville was a plane.  That's for sure.  Though much of the wreckage was in another place.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: goldengram1993 on May 26, 2010, 04:50:43 pm
Shanksville was a plane.  That's for sure.  Though much of the wreckage was in another place.

Really? That seems least likely to me... I am only disputing the plain that hit tower too so far cuz thats were the evidence is in the video
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on May 26, 2010, 04:56:04 pm
Some of us here question the Pentagon.  Check out the 911 section of the forum.  Don't have the thread handy.

AS for the WTC, the no-planes theories definitely smell a bit of disinfo.  I'm not accusing you.

Anyway, as you know  you can't believe anything you SEE nowadays, one way or another.

Believe half of what you read, and none of what you see.

As the old saying goes,

"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: donnay on May 26, 2010, 05:05:07 pm
Some of us here question the Pentagon.  Check out the 911 section of the forum.  Don't have the thread handy.

AS for the WTC, the no-planes theories definitely smell a bit of disinfo.  I'm not accusing you.

Anyway, as you know  you can't believe anything you SEE nowadays, one way or another.

Believe half of what you read, and none of what you see.

As the old saying goes,

"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

Well said!

"The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain"

 ;D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: powderisdry on May 26, 2010, 05:32:04 pm
Nope.  No PLAINS. Dumbass.  GROWUP!!!!!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on May 26, 2010, 05:35:09 pm
Nope.  No PLAINS. Dumbass.  GROWUP!!!!!

Read the forum rules please.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: goldengram1993 on May 26, 2010, 06:01:54 pm
Nope.  No PLAINS. Dumbass.  GROWUP!!!!!

I was simply asking a question. No need to bash someone for having an open mind and investigating further into something's possibility
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: goldengram1993 on May 26, 2010, 06:04:52 pm
Some of us here question the Pentagon.  Check out the 911 section of the forum.  Don't have the thread handy.
AS for the WTC, the no-planes theories definitely smell a bit of disinfo.  I'm not accusing you.
Anyway, as you know  you can't believe anything you SEE nowadays, one way or another
Believe half of what you read, and none of what you see.
As the old saying goes,
"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

Ya I only question it because of the audio where people didnt see a plain, then claimed to have seen a plain that they couldnt have seen. But the video evidence seems pretty conclusive to me, the damage to the building is in the shape of a plain as it enters, but it does seem kinda weird that the nose of the plain came out the other end
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: goldengram1993 on May 26, 2010, 06:08:04 pm
ALRIGHT watch this video now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Hw8sJE3R0&feature=related

See at around 115 that trail that looks like its streaking behind a missile? Thats what I dont get. I see one video where its a plain then another where there is no plain
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: KiwiClare on May 26, 2010, 06:20:01 pm
ALRIGHT watch this video now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Hw8sJE3R0&feature=related

See at around 115 that trail that looks like its streaking behind a missile? Thats what I dont get. I see one video where its a plain then another where there is no plain

September Clues is disinformation. Watch Confronting the Evidence.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: goldengram1993 on May 26, 2010, 06:48:13 pm
September Clues is disinformation. Watch Confronting the Evidence.

I will, hows it disinformation though....
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: phosphene on May 26, 2010, 06:50:52 pm
Ya I only question it because of the audio where people didnt see a plain, then claimed to have seen a plain that they couldnt have seen. But the video evidence seems pretty conclusive to me, the damage to the building is in the shape of a plain as it enters, but it does seem kinda weird that the nose of the plain came out the other end

Confusing "plane" and "plain" doesn't help your credibility dude. We all make spelling errors, even me, nobodys perfect. But continuing to make that grammatical error after being corrected numerous times suggests that you are full of sh%t.
plain
(http://www.ces.clemson.edu/hydro/FieldCamp/2006/Pix/Mammoth%20with%20Joe/images/Sinkhole%20on%20Penneroyal%20Plain_JPG.jpg)
plane
(http://www.esai.org/summit/2010/images/travel/plane.jpg)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Freeski on May 26, 2010, 06:54:23 pm
Confusing "plane" and "plain" doesn't help your credibility dude. We all make spelling errors, even me, nobodys perfect. But continuing to make that grammatical error after being corrected numerous occasions suggests that you are full of sh%t.

plain
(http://www.ces.clemson.edu/hydro/FieldCamp/2006/Pix/Mammoth%20with%20Joe/images/Sinkhole%20on%20Penneroyal%20Plain_JPG.jpg)
plane
(http://www.esai.org/summit/2010/images/travel/plane.jpg)

Had to be said! ;D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on May 26, 2010, 06:56:20 pm
As an English teacher, I concur.  If you continue to make the same spelling/grammatical errors after someone has pointed it out, it looks as if you are intentionally "dumbing it down" for "Joe Six-Pack" -- a definite tell of disinfo people. You might want to cut it out for your own credibility, if not for the sake of the mother tongue (assuming it is your mother tongue).
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: decepticon on May 26, 2010, 07:06:40 pm
sorry i cannot  help myself

(http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129170654133280618.jpg)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: tritonman on May 26, 2010, 07:33:15 pm
sorry i cannot  help myself

(http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129170654133280618.jpg)
hardy hardy har har har,  now that was funny  :D ;D :D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Freeski on May 26, 2010, 07:41:11 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 01, 2010, 10:00:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRoguep...E1BA9BB3C2F2A8
http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.com/...emolition.html

Now i'm aware that there are many people who do not even want to face up to this senario.
As soon as you use the words No plane, Directed Energy, or Nuke their eyes glaze over. Especially the Richard Gage Thermite worshipers.
What if the reason that we are all debating semantics, is because the definitive proof of what happened on 911 has not been told in sufficient detail yet.

Well as far as i am concerned, regarding the physics involved in bringing down the 3 buildings on 911 is explained ellegantly and thoroughly in this video series.
As for the political implications, well thats another story yet to be told. Soon though all in good time...

Get it while you still can folks, cos youtube are removing these videos all over the place.
I am aware that there are previous links to this video Series, but as links are being pulled i think it is important to give the people who really want the truth the chance to download these and get them viral.
Screw any copyright law, they cant f**king copyright the truth!

Trolls rant all you like, i won't be fueling your ego trips

Come on Infowars restore the faith and report the truth Please.... the people have a right to know
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 01, 2010, 10:51:09 pm
What is it with all the 911 nuke crap bubbling to the surface again like refurbished turds?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on June 01, 2010, 11:13:27 pm
What is it with all the 911 nuke crap bubbling to the surface again like refurbished turds?


Not completely sure. You have to be very dense not to see that this is an impossible scenario.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Freeski on June 01, 2010, 11:28:29 pm
It seems that 2 of 3 exploded and the third one imploded.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 01, 2010, 11:40:01 pm
Not completely sure. You have to be very dense not to see that this is an impossible scenario.
I defer to experts who have dismissed this as being a possibility and have arrived at a conceivable explanation that meets ALL criteria.  If you wish to disable your critical thinking and pursue an imaginative LaLaland go ahead, just dont pretend it has any validity.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 01, 2010, 11:45:42 pm
Nothing worse than an asleep truther.
Try looking at the information posted 1st please, and then we can get the benefit of your "CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM."
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 01, 2010, 11:46:31 pm
Where's the radiation?

Oh, it disappered already.

Right.

Funny how they did find thermite though.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 01, 2010, 11:47:53 pm
Derr everyone knows it was really the moon beam!

An underground nuke will not make concrete pulverize and eject out the windows one floor after the other.


Might as well be arguing an underground nuke killed Kennedy.

And I don't get how someone with 32 posts has the balls to call us trolls--unless of course they are the real troll  ::)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 02, 2010, 12:00:18 am
Nothing worse than an asleep truther.
Try looking at the information posted 1st please, and then we can get the benefit of your "CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM."
You are comical how you spout off about Gage thermite worshipers than followup your drivel with "Come on Infowars restore the faith."

If you were better informed you would be aware that it is in fact Dr. Steven Jones, the NUCLEAR PHYSICIST, not Gage, who has not only postulated but published a peer-reviewed paper about the presence of thermite at the towers site.  If there was nuclear material involved you would think he might find it, No?  Have you read it?   What are your thoughts?
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM (http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM)

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on June 02, 2010, 12:04:52 am
What about the lack of radioactive activity at ground zero?

Tritium was found in small levels, true. These can be attributed to watches, signage, and various other products found in everyday products. The levels of tritium from bombs would have yielded a much larger presence.

http://escholarship.org/uc/item/4xq88667

 

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on June 02, 2010, 12:10:42 am
If nukes were used ground zero would be a place off limits to public. People would be showing signs of radioactive exposure. Where are those people?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 02, 2010, 12:11:17 am
What about the lack of radioactive activity at ground zero?

Tritium was found in small levels, true. These can be attributed to watches, signage, and various other products found in everyday products. The levels of tritium from bombs would have yielded a much larger presence.

http://escholarship.org/uc/item/4xq88667

It appears you have answered your own question.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 12:13:14 am
Jesus go watch the f**king link, all the so called debunking going on around here are answered in the 26 part interview.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 02, 2010, 12:17:35 am
26 parts.  I'll just quit my job and stay home and watch it then.

WTF!

Facts not fairies blog no longer exists.  Bad link?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on June 02, 2010, 12:20:01 am
Jesus go watch the f**king link, all the so called debunking going on around here are answered in the 26 part interview.

First
Your links do not work to begin with.

Second
This interview has been posted here before. I have seen it. The fact is that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that "mini-nukes" were used.

It appears you have answered your own question.

Let me rephrase that question for you then. How come small levels of tritium were found, inconsistent with a nuclear explosion?

There was no evidence suggesting that a nuke was used. How hard is that for you to understand. We can go back and forth, but at the end of the day this post will find its way to the off topic board.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 02, 2010, 12:25:10 am
Jesus go watch the f**king link

Who do you think you're talking to here--one of your stupid pot-head street friends?

Shove your 26-part disinfo piece up your ass!


What is with people coming on here proclaiming themselves the Messiah of Knowledge?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 12:25:43 am
You are comical how you spout off about Gage thermite worshipers than followup your drivel with "Come on Infowars restore the faith."

If you were better informed you would be aware that it is in fact Dr. Steven Jones, the NUCLEAR PHYSICIST, not Gage, who has not only postulated but published a peer-reviewed paper about the presence of thermite at the towers site.  If there was nuclear material involved you would think he might find it, No?  Have you read it?   What are your thoughts?
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM (http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM)



OK m8, i'm well aware of S Jones was original proposer of thermite/thermate, but Gage has more than postulated on this subject.
In anyway have you watched the interview yet?  This interview will answer all of your questions if you have the time, patience, desire or intelligence.
So instead of debunking me on semantics or syntax, lets dive in to the info wouldn't you agree?
We are all searching for an explanation, swallow the pride, subdue the ego and please open your mind (not meant in a derogatory way) then i will take your debunking up the derrier.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 12:26:50 am
Who do you think you're talking to here--one of your stupid pot-head street friends?

Shove your 26-part disinfo piece up your ass!


What is with people coming on here proclaiming themselves the Messiah of Knowledge?


"EGO"
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 02, 2010, 12:30:57 am
First
Your links do not work to begin with.

Second
This interview has been posted here before. I have seen it. The fact is that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that "mini-nukes" were used.

Let me rephrase that question for you then. How come small levels of tritium were found, inconsistent with a nuclear explosion?

There was no evidence suggesting that a nuke was used. How hard is that for you to understand. We can go back and forth, but at the end of the day this post will find its way to the off topic board.
Penguin, how could we even check out your links -- assuming we have the time for 26 part video interviews?

Heaven forbid you should give us a synopsis of the arguments yourself.  Maybe, you're not that familiar with them yourself.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 12:34:36 am
New Links
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRoguepenguin#p/c/77E1BA9BB3C2F2A8
http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.com/2010/03/911-wtc-nuclear-demolition.html
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on June 02, 2010, 12:40:23 am
I am not watching that Russian spew dis info again. I sat through this once I will not subject my brain to that again.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 12:50:04 am
Penguin, how could we even check out your links -- assuming we have the time for 26 part video interviews?

Heaven forbid you should give us a synopsis of the arguments yourself.  Maybe, you're not that familiar with them yourself.

Nukes Detonated exactly 77 meters below ground level. forming a volcanic glas slike bubble 100 m diameter of immense pressure, reaction with foundations which are 27m below ground.
Pressure results in a blast wave that statrs a chain reaction, turning lower 2 thirds of building to pulverised material that looks like normal steel and concrete, but has actually lost ints atomic structure.
Bombs used were 150 megatonnes which produces 5.5 richter directed shockwave which explainsthe vibrations seen on the camera shake 12 seconds before collapse.
The top building portion is out of reach of the pulverisation zone and falls into the path of the comprimised structure underneath.

Thats the shortened explanation, it's up to you to find the time m8

http://thisiszionism.blogspot.com/2010/05/dimitri-khalezovs-nuclear-demolition.html
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 12:57:19 am
You are comical how you spout off about Gage thermite worshipers than followup your drivel with "Come on Infowars restore the faith."

If you were better informed you would be aware that it is in fact Dr. Steven Jones, the NUCLEAR PHYSICIST, not Gage, who has not only postulated but published a peer-reviewed paper about the presence of thermite at the towers site.  If there was nuclear material involved you would think he might find it, No?  Have you read it?   What are your thoughts?
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM (http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM)



Drill a hole 77m below ground zero inside the volcanic glass fused bubble that is now present where detonation took place. and let me know what your Geiger counter reads.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 12:59:31 am
Drill a hole 77m below ground zero inside the volcanic glass fused bubble that is now present where detonation took place. and let me know what your Geiger counter reads.

Oh take a camera too.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 02, 2010, 01:00:37 am
Nukes Detonated exactly 77 meters below ground level. forming a volcanic glas slike bubble 100 m diameter of immense pressure, reaction with foundations which are 27m below ground.
Pressure results in a blast wave that statrs a chain reaction, turning lower 2 thirds of building to pulverised material that looks like normal steel and concrete, but has actually lost ints atomic structure.
Bombs used were 150 megatonnes which produces 5.5 richter directed shockwave which explainsthe vibrations seen on the camera shake 12 seconds before collapse.
The top building portion is out of reach of the pulverisation zone and falls into the path of the comprimised structure underneath.

Thats the shortened explanation, it's up to you to find the time m8

http://thisiszionism.blogspot.com/2010/05/dimitri-khalezovs-nuclear-demolition.html

Mate -- you are spouting gibberish and insisting I watch it.  Which I did for 25 minutes.
Look at some of Chandlers work and others that have a background in physics instead of this nonsense talk.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf)
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DDFCB23791C8F3BE (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DDFCB23791C8F3BE)

Really your nuke does not even account for the squibs.  Pure nonsense.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on June 02, 2010, 01:05:25 am
Drill a hole 77m below ground zero inside the volcanic glass fused bubble that is now present where detonation took place. and let me know what your Geiger counter reads.

I can not even begin to understand what the hell you are talking about.  

Why don't you go and drill a hole. Let us know what you find. Until then quit posting this crap meant to discredit 911 truth.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 01:18:15 am
Mate -- you are spouting gibberish and insisting I watch it.  Which I did for 25 minutes.
Look at some of Chandlers work and others that have a background in physics instead of this nonsense talk.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf)
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DDFCB23791C8F3BE (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DDFCB23791C8F3BE)

Really your nuke does not even account for the squibs.  Pure nonsense.

I been following the thermite explanation for years believing that that was the explanation myself. But it still gives me more questions than answers.
Judy Wood's explanation brought me closer to analysing what i seen with my eyes on that day, but still left me with more questions.
This for me hit the spot immediately.

I'm not a nuclear scientist, or a thermite expert,  but i still havent heard a viable explanation of how thermite can produce molten steel and fumes six months after collapse. Heres me trying to use logic and thinking it would oxidise in seconds or minutes- even go as far as hours if you like, but 6 MONTHS?  i guess logic doesn't count for anything anymore. Never mind the process of planting it in the buildings in the 1st place.

For you perhaps you need more information sure. In any case we all know 911 official story was a piece of crap. I'm more interested in current affairs thesedays anyway. But as far as im concerned this new evidence has kinda brought me closure on what happened that day.
New investigation or not, this aint gonna change the police state we are all heading into.
We need to stand together and put aside bickering and look at the bigger picture.



Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 01:24:06 am
I can not even begin to understand what the hell you are talking about.  

Why don't you go and drill a hole. Let us know what you find. Until then quit posting this crap meant to discredit 911 truth.

You just don't get it, whether i though giant purple cosmic rabbits kicked the buildings down, i would still be demanding an independant investigation.
Shame on you to think that i'm posting this to discredit the truthmovement. I have been a truther for last 4 years, and will be perfectly happy for someone to come out and debunk this Nuke theory to smitherines.
But i think you will find the truth will get out in the end. This ones staying!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 02, 2010, 01:33:12 am
I been following the thermite explanation for years believing that that was the explanation myself. But it still gives me more questions than answers.
Judy Wood's explanation brought me closer to analysing what i seen with my eyes on that day, but still left me with more questions.
This for me hit the spot immediately.

I'm not a nuclear scientist, or a thermite expert,  but i still havent heard a viable explanation of how thermite can produce molten steel and fumes six months after collapse. Heres me trying to use logic and thinking it would oxidise in seconds or minutes- even go as far as hours if you like, but 6 MONTHS?  i guess logic doesn't count for anything anymore. Never mind the process of planting it in the buildings in the 1st place.

For you perhaps you need more information sure. In any case we all know 911 official story was a piece of crap. I'm more interested in current affairs thesedays anyway. But as far as im concerned this new evidence has kinda brought me closure on what happened that day.
New investigation or not, this aint gonna change the police state we are all heading into.
We need to stand together and put aside bickering and look at the bigger picture.




Well you do sound genuine.  
As far as I understand thermite in the quantities loaded in the buildings could burn for weeks, which is congruent within the parameters of the thermite theory and not aligned with radioactivity.
I think it is good you are investigating other avenues but study them as best you can and vet them.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 01:39:53 am
Thanks Grape, appreciate it, some civil comments at last.
I even started a truth group from my hometown in Aberdeen Scotland so i am serious. Go check it out ^^

http://www.meetup.com/AberdeenWakeUpProject/

And i'm in no way shape or form trying to discredit S.Jones or Gages work, i think they are doing the best with what they have to go on.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 02, 2010, 01:45:08 am
Thanks Grape, appreciate it, some civil comments at last.
I even started a truth group from my hometown in Aberdeen Scotland so i am serious. Go check it out ^^

http://www.meetup.com/AberdeenWakeUpProject/

And i'm in no way shape or form trying to discredit S.Jones or Gages work, i think they are doing the best with what they have to go on.

The thing is they are highly accredited individuals in their fields, have suffered greatly by their 911 endeavours and have been reinforced by their peers.  There is some serious credibility here.

Your russian boy? or any other foisting this nuke theory?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 02:02:26 am
The thing is they are highly accredited individuals in their fields, have suffered greatly by their 911 endeavours and have been reinforced by their peers.  There is some serious credibility here.

Your russian boy? or any other foisting this nuke theory?

I just found out about this the other day. Lets get everyone around a table and stars a conversation.
Lets get back to basics, and look at what we seen with our eyes, the towers turned to dust, they fell at near freefall speed.
Lets get the no planers, the space beamers, the Thermiters, sit em around a table and lets see what we have in common.lets all come to the same conclusion.  And that conclusion is our governments are rogue and are illigitimate and need to be held accountable!!

Most people don't give a shit about this stuff as long as they have American Gladiators on TV and when they shit, they push a lever and it flushes away!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: KiwiClare on June 02, 2010, 02:10:35 am
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Most people don't give a shit about this stuff as long as they have American Gladiators on TV and when they shit, they push a lever and it flushes away!


Can we lift the tone a bit please.  :)

If people knew the truth about 9/11 of course they would care!

Mass murder of citizens covered up by their supposedly trustworthy media and government is not something that can be swept readily under the carpet.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheCaliKid on June 02, 2010, 02:11:11 am
Cliff notes please?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: grapecrusher1 on June 02, 2010, 02:17:05 am
I just found out about this the other day. Lets get everyone around a table and stars a conversation.
Lets get back to basics, and look at what we seen with our eyes, the towers turned to dust, they fell at near freefall speed.
Lets get the no planers, the space beamers, the Thermiters, sit em around a table and lets see what we have in common.lets all come to the same conclusion.  And that conclusion is our governments are rogue and are illigitimate and need to be held accountable!!

Most people don't give a shit about this stuff as long as they have American Gladiators on TV and when they shit, they push a lever and it flushes away!
The round table discussion you are calling for has happened over and over -- the only part missing was you.
Why not look through the 911 area of the forum?  You may find it enlightening.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 02, 2010, 02:36:03 am
Cliff notes please?

"Nukes are magical--they solve every problem!

If you don't agree with me you are an idiot who won't go 70m below groundzero and drill into volcanic glass bubbles!"
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Rogue Penguin on June 02, 2010, 02:39:49 am
The round table discussion you are calling for has happened over and over -- the only part missing was you.
Why not look through the 911 area of the forum?  You may find it enlightening.


Look Grape, i appreciate you want to tag me as some novice hack that jumps on the 1st alternative explanation that pops up. Because you have probally invested a lot of time in the thermite theory.
Like i said i have been looking at all angles on this for last 4 years, and there is nothing i could learn on this forum that i havent read or watched before.
Been a prison planet subscriber for over 2 years also.

Much of the response from the people around me that have seen this whole series of 26 videos are blown away with how much detail and clarity they bring.
So i'm gonna have to just leave it at that, the information is in these videos if you have the time.
Take it or leave it, but remain open minded, and like me perhaps you could look at this "theory" this with some fresh perspective.

Just like you did when you watched loose change for the 1st time perhaps.


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 02, 2010, 03:28:02 am
Couldn't stand listening to the $hitty sound quality of the interview.  Couldn't even hear the Russian military disinfo specialist.  But, hey, if you're not willing to give us the rundown, why should we bother with this nonsense, really?

Occam's razor.

Nukes are not needed to take down a building like that.  So, why would they be used.  When have they ever been used before in demolitons?  Thye are probably not nearly as accurate as well-placed thermite cutting chrarges which were probably pre-placed weeks or months befer 911.

This is all unnecessary hogwash.  The people who did 911 are not experimenters.  I'm sure they used suitable methods to take down the buildings in their own footprint the way that they did fall.

Prove you can do that with underground nukes and shock-waves from one epicenter.  I don't think you can.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 02, 2010, 09:01:39 am
Where's the radiation?

Oh, it disappered already.

Right.

Funny how they did find thermite though.
No they didn't.  They found thermitic material i.e. the ingredients of thermite, or thermate, or super-thermate, or whatever version it's up to today.

The trouble is that the "ingredients" of the buildings included the ingredients of thermite, so these findings are literally worthless.

If thermite really did cause the buildings to come down, why is it not mentioned in 9/11 legal cases?

And how did it turn steel to dust?

Don't get me wrong, the new nuclear thing is disinfo too,and cannot explain the evidence e.g. the undamaged bathtub.  In fact, this Dimitri guy said in a recent email exchange that he could sufficiently explain the bathtub but he wouldn't bother.  Then he said that he didn't know what the bathtub was, in the same email.  This, and the former BBC employee who suddenly broke his silence about 9/11, and no doubt other stories in the immediate future, are responses to the fact that Dr Judy Wood has uncovered a massive part of the truth, and people are looking at it.

Obviously there are people within the "9/11 truth movement" who won't allow serious discussion of that evidence, either because they genuinely (but erroneously) believe it to be disinfo, or for other more disturbing reasons.  You only need to look through this very thread to see it.  Even to the extent of changing URLs so that people cannot even visit a website should they choose to do so.

It's also noticeable that September Clues has been labelled government disinfo.  When proof of this statement is requested it is met with silence, as though this is unquestionable and self-evident, which it is not.

I don't expect this information to be treated reasonably, but it was worth posting anyway.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 02, 2010, 09:06:53 am
Occam's razor.

Nukes are not needed to take down a building like that.  So, why would they be used.  When have they ever been used before in demolitons?  Thye are probably not nearly as accurate as well-placed thermite cutting chrarges which were probably pre-placed weeks or months befer 911.

The people who did 911 are not experimenters.  I'm sure they used suitable methods to take down the buildings in their own footprint the way that they did fall.

Prove you can do that with underground nukes and shock-waves from one epicenter.  I don't think you can.
Matrix,

I would pose the same arguments to you.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: agentbluescreen on June 02, 2010, 09:16:26 am
I am not watching that Russian spew dis info again. I sat through this once I will not subject my brain to that again.

Aside from the fact that there is no (zero) radioactivity and there were no telltale EMP Pulse(s) that would have disabled all electric power, radio and communications in the area during any detonation of a nuclear device, we have both strong evidence of BOTH pre-cutting thermitic materials and conventional "sequential sectioning displacement" conventional charges that were used to cause the thus pre-cut and then thus-loosened 20-some vertical sections of the towers to jackhammer one another top-down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iya_s7J7K6Y

We do not need any other explanation nor theory of the plentiful material evidence of the obvious mechanics of the crimes themselves.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 02, 2010, 09:29:04 am
The buildings were under renovation for so long they could have literally went into the walls and sawed/melted the important beams until they were weak enough to fail under conventional explosives. Using a nuke is ridiculous. They wanted the buildings demoed with the least amount of damage and threat to NYC. A lot of the sub-elite visit and live in NYC.

Nano-thermite is just a common sense tool to make it easy and Jesse Ventura's show proved that a few wipes will cut through beams like butter.

Just remember not to confuse nano-thermite with regular thermite like the disinfoists on Myth Busters.

Oh and it wasn't so much that they found thermite as what was found could only be created by nano-thermite detonation and doesn't occur in nature at the molecular level (especially not in a fire/collapse)--that's the solid evidence.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 02, 2010, 08:15:09 pm
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Occam's razor.

Nukes are not needed to take down a building like that.  So, why would they be used.  When have they ever been used before in demolitons?  Thye are probably not nearly as accurate as well-placed thermite cutting chrarges which were probably pre-placed weeks or months befer 911.

The people who did 911 are not experimenters.  I'm sure they used suitable methods to take down the buildings in their own footprint the way that they did fall.

Prove you can do that with underground nukes and shock-waves from one epicenter.  I don't think you can.
Matrix,

I would pose the same arguments to you.
What do you want me to say?
They didn't use nukes, as I said.  They used directed energy weaponry and it turned steel to dust and re-created various results from the Hutchison Effect.  The buildings didn't fall, they "dustified".

And Occam's Razor has no place in something as complicated as 9/11.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 02, 2010, 08:31:10 pm
Hutchison effect.  I don't even know where to start.  I don't think you are even amenable to scientific reasoning. This stuff deserves to be parked right here in disinfo/fakery.

Occam's razor has a role to play in nuclear physics, brain science, and yes -- 911.

Directed energy weapons are completely unnecessary to explain all this.  I suppose Darth Cheney himslef pushed the button form the Death Star (and not the PEOC console in his underground bunker).

You have watched/read way too much Sci-Fi.

Was this a plot by those super-hot women on Venus to subjugate all men, and kill all Earth women?

Read less Sci-Fi and more science and philosophy of science. Assuming you really do read.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: RabidSheep on June 02, 2010, 08:33:28 pm
You just don't get it, whether i though giant purple cosmic rabbits kicked the buildings down, i would still be demanding an independant investigation.
Shame on you to think that i'm posting this to discredit the truthmovement. I have been a truther for last 4 years, and will be perfectly happy for someone to come out and debunk this Nuke theory to smitherines.
But i think you will find the truth will get out in the end. This ones staying!

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on June 02, 2010, 08:37:05 pm
..I don't think you are even amenable...

Now you done it, standby for reality check in 5  ... 4 ... ;D
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 02, 2010, 08:47:14 pm
I don't think Matrix would know reality if it came up and took a big bite of his tucchus.

I can't wait to hear this "reality check".

Or, will it be a Rael-ity check?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Finchie on June 03, 2010, 04:46:01 am
Khazelov's interview makes the claim that the US government is a VICTIM on 9/11. To me not only does the evidence suggest Khazelov's theory is wrong because the towers are destroyed from the top to the bottom (by timed detonations in a top to bottom direction) rather than simultaneous destruction of the whole structure but I am concerned that this theory gets the perpetrators of 9/11 off the hook.

The US government becomes a victim because they were forced to destroy the towers by nuclear explosion to prevent a nuclear device (planted by someone else) in the towers wiping out the whole of New York.
Who planted the nuclear device in Khazelov's theory? The 26 videos don't say but he invites us to buy his book to find out.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 03, 2010, 09:18:16 am
Hutchison effect.  I don't even know where to start.
You should probably start by finding out what it actually is.  Then you should analyse what actually happened on 9/11, review the anomalies at the WTC and compare that to the Hutchison Effect.  Dr Wood has it all on her website.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

Then you can try to come up with a hypothesis that explains all the evidence and has nothing to do with what Dr Wood talks about, if you still refuse to treat her information seriously and scientifically.



I don't think you are even amenable to scientific reasoning. This stuff deserves to be parked right here in disinfo/fakery.
Yes, there are a lot of groupthinkers in the "9/11 truth movement" who have exactly the opinion they have been conditioned to have about evidence which they clearly haven't even bothered to review for themselves.

Are you saying that there is no such thing as directed energy weaponry, or just that it couldn't have been used on 9/11?  If it couldn't have been used, then are you prepared to attempt to explain why this was an impossibility?  And then can you explain the dustifying of the steel.


Occam's razor has a role to play in nuclear physics, brain science, and yes -- 911.
No, it doesn't have a place in 9/11 (except to mislead people).  To suggest that it does is to display a fundamental misunderstanding of what it actually is, assuming you don't believe that you know everything there is to know about what happened that day and how it happened, which you don't.


Directed energy weapons are completely unnecessary to explain all this.
If you ignore most of the important evidence, then yes, they are.  Obviously you will never get to the truth if you do that.

Steel turned to dust.  How do you explain that?  Or do you prefer to pretend that it simply didn't happen?


I suppose Darth Cheney himslef pushed the button form the Death Star (and not the PEOC console in his underground bunker).
Your poor quality sarcasm does not affect the evidence.


You have watched/read way too much Sci-Fi.
No, I haven't.

And again, are you saying that directed energy weaponry is science fiction, that it doesn't even exist?  This silly and pathetic comment of yours implies that you put directed energy weaponry in the category of science fiction.   Are you willing to say explicitly that directed energy weaponry does not even exist, or to clarify that this is not what you meant to imply?


Was this a plot by those super-hot women on Venus to subjugate all men, and kill all Earth women?

Read less Sci-Fi and more science and philosophy of science. Assuming you really do read.
This response shows that your posting on this thread is not motivated by a desire for serious rational discussion.  Your opposition to this evidence is based on what other people told you to think, rather than on your own reasoned analysis of this evidence.  You couldn't have made that much more apparent.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 03, 2010, 09:38:40 am
Matrix,

I would pose the same arguments to you.
What do you want me to say?
They didn't use nukes, as I said.  They used directed energy weaponry and it turned steel to dust and re-created various results from the Hutchison Effect.  The buildings didn't fall, they "dustified".

And Occam's Razor has no place in something as complicated as 9/11.

Steel DID NOT turn into dust, you're living in a fantasy world.

There were massive beams laying around everywhere like logs.

The concrete and glass turned to dust, but the steel basically fell down in segments with the rubble.

And the energy weapon thing is just so stupid I'm not even going to go into that. Anyone who saw those building collapse saw (and even heard) explosions.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: carlee on June 03, 2010, 09:42:38 am
Steel DID NOT turn into dust, you're living in a fantasy world.

There were massive beams laying around everywhere like logs.

The concrete and glass turned to dust, but the steel basically fell down in segments with the rubble.

And the energy weapon thing is just so stupid I'm not even going to go into that. Anyone who saw those building collapse saw (and even heard) explosions.
              most of the steel was pulverised    we are talking about high tech weapons that were used for this not nukes  check out Joseph P. Farrell  works  http://www.thebyteshow.com/JosephPFarrell.html
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 03, 2010, 10:20:26 am
Steel DID NOT turn into dust,
Yes it did.  You can actually see it happening on some videos.

Around the 7 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU
The best clip is from about 8 minutes 41 seconds.

Andrew Johnson
Quote
... if you look at the pieces that are coming down you can actually see some of the pieces turning to dust ... This particularly is the smoking gun evidence which I think you'll find a lot of people not happy talking about; this is about 70 columns of unsupported steel turning to dust before your very eyes. ... Explosives don't turn steel to dust.

you're living in a fantasy world.
No, I'm living in the real world, in which thermite and/or bombs do not turn steel to dust.  But something else does, evidently.


There were massive beams laying around everywhere like logs.
Yes there were beams laying around.  I'm not saying that 100% of the steel was turned to dust, but most of it was.

What percentage of the hundreds of thousands of tonnes of steel that made up the two 110-storey buildings would you say was laying around after the so-called collapse?  What happened to the rest of it?


The concrete and glass turned to dust, but the steel basically fell down in segments with the rubble.
Then where did it all go?  How do two 110-storey steel-framed buildings leave a pile of steel in which most of the steel has disappeared?


And the energy weapon thing is just so stupid I'm not even going to go into that.
A worthless comment.  All it does is serve to highlight that people have been trained en masse to refuse to discuss directed energy weaponry, without even knowing what they are refusing to discuss.  Or the evidence is misrepresented by the use of deliberately misleading terminology.


Anyone who saw those building collapse saw (and even heard) explosions.
And anyone can see that the steel turned to dust, unless they have been conditioned not to see it.
That people heard and/or saw explosions in no way negates this fact.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 03, 2010, 10:22:40 am
              most of the steel was pulverised    we are talking about high tech weapons that were used for this not nukes  check out Joseph P. Farrell  works  http://www.thebyteshow.com/JosephPFarrell.html

Hey maybe it was the reptiles using mind energy or Obama's martian cousins?

No I bet it was just GW and Obama teaming up and flapping their big ears together until it collapsed.

How can you believe any crap you find on the internet?

Do you realize that we people on Earth lie?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 03, 2010, 10:29:05 am
Yes it did.  You can actually see it happening on some videos.

Around the 7 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU
The best clip is just before 9 minutes.

Andrew JohnsonNo, I'm living in the real world, in which thermite and/or bombs do not turn steel to dust.  But something else does, evidently.

Yes there were beams laying around.  I'm not saying that 100% of the steel was turned to dust, but most of it was.

What percentage of the hundreds of thousands of tonnes of steel that made up the two 110-storey buildings would you say was laying around after the so-called collapse?  What happened to the rest of it?

Then where did it all go?  How do two 110-storey steel-framed buildings leave a pile of steel in which most of the steel has disappeared?

A worthless comment.  All it does is serve to highlight that people have been trained en masse to refuse to discuss directed energy weaponry, without even knowing what they are refusing to discuss.  Or the evidence is misrepresented by the use of deliberately misleading terminology.

And anyone can see that the steel turned to dust, unless they have been conditioned not to see it.
That people heard and/or saw explosions in no way negates this fact.

Oh man. The steel was all laying right there on the floor if it wasn't melted. There was no full disintegration/vaporization of the building. Did they turn the beam down to make sure not to get all the steel laying around according to your brain?

There were papers flying out of the building and doors blowing off. A ray beam that would have damaged steel and concrete would have also damaged the papers, but it didn't. You're living in lala land.

But then you think the aliens did it right?

Oh and before we go any further, what was the origin/radius/and shape of your weapon's field?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on June 03, 2010, 10:32:41 am
This has to be the most bogus thread I've seen in ages.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 03, 2010, 10:41:14 am
Oh man. The steel was all laying right there on the floor if it wasn't melted.
You seem to be confused.  Was it all laying right there on the floor or had it melted?  Which is it?


There was no full disintegration/vaporization of the building. Did they turn the beam down to make sure not to get all the steel laying around according to your brain?
You can see the steel turning to dust in the video I just posted.

Around the 7 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU
The best clip is from about 8 minutes 41 seconds.

Andrew Johnson
Quote
... if you look at the pieces that are coming down you can actually see some of the pieces turning to dust ... This particularly is the smoking gun evidence which I think you'll find a lot of people not happy talking about; this is about 70 columns of unsupported steel turning to dust before your very eyes. ... Explosives don't turn steel to dust.

If you want to pretend that it didn't happen just to avoid rejecting what you already believe there's nothing anybody can do about that.

But you are ignoring the most important evidence, so your opinion loses any value.


There were papers flying out of the building and doors blowing off. A ray beam that would have damaged steel and concrete would have also damaged the papers, but it didn't.
Really?  Why is that?
Do you understand what you're talking about at all?  Have you even attempted to do any research?

The fact that this paper was not burned actually proves that the steel was not and could not have been melted by heat.  But never mind science and logic, this is 9/11 we're talking about.  Just think what you're told to think by the "9/11 truth movement" and let other people worry about whether it makes sense or not.   ::)


You're living in lala land.
As I said, your opinion is worthless because you not only ignore the evidence, but you don't understand what that evidence actually is.


But then you think the aliens did it right?
What a desperate thing to be reduced to saying.  One more person to add to the "not worth wasting any time on" list.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 03, 2010, 10:48:05 am
You seem to be confused.  Was it all laying right there on the floor or had it melted?  Which is it?

You can see the steel turning to dust in the video I just posted.

Around the 7 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU
The best clip is from about 8 minutes 41 seconds.

Andrew Johnson
If you want to pretend that it didn't happen just to avoid rejecting what you already believe there's nothing anybody can do about that.

But you are ignoring the most important evidence, so your opinion loses any value.

Really?  Why is that?
Do you understand what you're talking about at all?  Have you even attempted to do any research?

The fact that this paper was not burned actually proves that the steel was not and could not have been melted by heat.  But never mind science and logic, this is 9/11 we're talking about.  Just think what you're told to think by the "9/11 truth movement" and let other people worry about whether it makes sense or not.   ::)

As I said, your opinion is worthless because you not only ignore the evidence, but you don't understand what that evidence actually is.

What a desperate thing to be reduced to saying.  One more person to add to the "not worth wasting any time on" list.

First off your buddy sent me a link to alien weapons.

Secondly you do not describe your fantasy weapon in any way and make claims by known disinfoists with their stupid energy ray beam nonsense they can't describe.

Do you sit around talking about how the 'magic bullet' that killed Kennedy was made by a terminator from the future?

That's literally how you are drawing your conclusions with faulty evidence.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 03, 2010, 12:15:14 pm
First off your buddy sent me a link to alien weapons.
What buddy?  Whoever it was, alien weapons have nothing to do with 9/11.


Secondly you do not describe your fantasy weapon in any way and make claims by known disinfoists with their stupid energy ray beam nonsense they can't describe.
When you say known disinfoists, you just mean people you have been told are spreading disinformation.  Despite what some people might think, they are not necessarily the same thing, and you cannot possibly judge whether they are the same thing in any given case without understanding or even attempting to understand the information that has been labelled disinformation.

You have already demonstrated that you don't know what the evidence is and referring to directed energy weaponry as "stupid energy ray beam" does nothing to change that.

Anybody who wants a better understanding of what the evidence is, and what directed energy weaponry is, how it works and what it is capable of should look at Dr Wood (http://www.drjudywood.com)'s lectures on youtube and the interviews she has done.  It is clearly not fantasy, and the information is there for anybody who wants to find it.

It is far better for people to look at the evidence and listen to what Dr Wood says herself, rather than listening to what other people say about her and the evidence.  Most of what other people in the "9/11 truth movement" say about Dr Wood and the evidence is misleading and/or false.  Dr Wood's information is misrepresented all the time, hence groupthinkers using terms like "stupid energy ray beam".

But many people don't want to think for themselves, so shaping their opinions is often very easy, whether these people think they have "woken up" or not.


Do you sit around talking about how the 'magic bullet' that killed Kennedy was made by a terminator from the future?
No.


That's literally how you are drawing your conclusions with faulty evidence.
No, that's literally nothing like it.

Have a nice life, and try thinking for yourself some time.  It's a good thing, honest.

-----

Around the 7 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU
The best clip is from about 8 minutes 41 seconds.

Andrew Johnson
Quote
... if you look at the pieces that are coming down you can actually see some of the pieces turning to dust ... This particularly is the smoking gun evidence which I think you'll find a lot of people not happy talking about; this is about 70 columns of unsupported steel turning to dust before your very eyes. ... Explosives don't turn steel to dust.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Freeski on June 03, 2010, 01:05:38 pm
Around the 7 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU
The best clip is from about 8 minutes 41 seconds.

Some additional info, opinion and videos on the disintegrating spire:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=58685.0
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on June 03, 2010, 02:27:20 pm
Hah the video is laughable. Nowhere do you see steel turning to dust there. What you see, and if you have a decent quality video you will see it, is the spire breaking down and since there is still concrete on there or dust it gets shaken off. Also.... did anyone of those people tell you what steel dust looks like? I mean steel dust... should be easy to find in samples right? where is it?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 03, 2010, 09:16:34 pm
Nowhere do you see steel turning to dust there.
That's exactly what you see.  Here are the stills.  It is very clear.  You would have to lie to yourself not to see it.

(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image42.jpg)
Steel columns disintegrate into steel dust with WTC7 and water tower in the foreground.

The same steel-dust phenomenon from another source and perspective.

(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image43.jpg)
(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image44.jpg)
(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image45.jpg)
(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image46.jpg)
(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image47.jpg)

But people can be trained with enough propaganda and repetition not to see what is right front of their eyes.  It happens every day.

The steel turned to dust and you can see it.  I'm not going to argue with anyone who says that it didn't happen, because we can all see that it did.  People can argue that something else is happening if they want, but they are wrong.  They might as well argue that the sky is green.  You can see for yourself that they are wrong.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheCaliKid on June 03, 2010, 09:29:01 pm
^ Look closely. Could it simply not be that the steel is collapsing and the dust is momentarily left behind in it's place? Seems logical to me.

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: phosphene on June 03, 2010, 09:32:08 pm
That's exactly what you see.  Here are the stills.  It is very clear.  You would have to lie to yourself not to see it.

(http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image42.jpg)
Steel columns disintegrate into steel dust with WTC7 and water tower in the foreground.

The same steel-dust phenomenon from another source and perspective.

But people can be trained with enough propaganda and repetition not to see what is right front of their eyes.  It happens every day.

The steel turned to dust and you can see it.  I'm not going to argue with anyone who says that it didn't happen, because we can all see that it did.  People can argue that something else is happening if they want, but they are wrong.  They might as well argue that the sky is green.  You can see for yourself that they are wrong.

the metal structure falls vertically, hits the ground, dust is shaken off the structure, the structure falls, the dust cloud in shape of the structure dissipates.

u can see it at 8:45...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 03, 2010, 09:42:25 pm
Oh no.  That would be far to simple an explanation.

Hutchison effect, which supposedly makes metal liquid (sometimes -- how? -- why? -- when?) chose this time to make it into powder.

Dontcha know?

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 03, 2010, 10:44:04 pm
I can't believe how gullible people are...  ::)

Obviously the steel is going to be covered in debris and dust there--this is what was left before the final collapse. Plus you can see that the building is obscuring where the steel dropped to. Steel falls faster than dust so you're not seeing it in all of these frames (plus motion blur makes things look lighter/faded). Look at the second picture--you can freakin see it falling!

You must think magic is real because a magician can pull up a curtain and use some smoke to make something disappear.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: InfoArsenal on June 03, 2010, 11:02:38 pm
BTW, I guarantee there is footage of this or at least this type of thing being filmed from the font. I remember watching the steel collapse live and the beams drop to the ground fast as clouds rose.

This reminds me of the people who saw a jpeg block on Ron Paul's lip in a video and are now claiming he is an alien with a hologram cloaking device.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: TheCaliKid on June 04, 2010, 12:35:36 am
This reminds me of the people who saw a jpeg block on Ron Paul's lip in a video and are now claiming he is an alien with a hologram cloaking device.

LOL!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on June 04, 2010, 01:44:53 am
This reminds me of the people who saw a jpeg block on Ron Paul's lip in a video and are now claiming he is an alien with a hologram cloaking device.

Exactly... or when people blink and the eyes get blocky omfg a reptilian!

But posting stills without any timecode... can it get more deceptive? So you show 2 pictures that are a split second apart, then the next one that is a bit longer apart from the previous and the last one after the spire had collapsed leaving dusttrails behind manufacturing the illusion of steel going poof into dust.... well at least it is an illusion for the retarded people. For the rest of us its obvious whats going on.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Freeski on June 04, 2010, 01:48:04 am
Exactly... or when people blink and the eyes get blocky omfg a reptilian!

But posting stills without any timecode... can it get more deceptive? So you show 2 pictures that are a split second apart, then the next one that is a bit longer apart from the previous and the last one after the spire had collapsed leaving dusttrails behind manufacturing the illusion of steel going poof into dust.... well at least it is an illusion for the retarded people. For the rest of us its obvious whats going on.

It's really that obvious to you?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on June 04, 2010, 04:52:33 am
It's really that obvious to you?

Of course it is. Just as the garbage the tv fakery crowd is spewing is obviously a total deception but luckly only the total retards are falling for that. When suddenly a shaking antenna on a van becomes something mysterious that deserved an arrow and a lable saying WTF IS THAT?!?! Or when 2 videos are compared, shot from different locations, they claim it is one and the same but oh my god they screwed up and moved buildings on different layers around. You cant get more retarded than that. Now we have the laserbeam/nuke/steeltodust crowd who is using similar tricks to win some more retards over. Same with the moon hoax crowd but thats running for so long already that that garbage grew so large that it established itself.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 04, 2010, 09:00:01 am
But posting stills without any timecode... can it get more deceptive?
I posted the video footage first you ridiculous waste of a brain.  Still, anything to attack the messenger.

I'll leave the groupthinkers to gang up on the distorted version of me that they seem to feel the need to create.

If someone has genuinely looked into the information that Dr Wood has found, and the connection to the Hutichison Effect (and understand what that is rather than just asking questions which highlight their ignorance) and they disagree with it and can articulate why they disagree with it and explain the reasoning, that's great.  I'm all for that.

But when people are just copying what others have told them to think and don't even understand the arguments they are using, these people are no more awake than someone who watches FOX news 24/7 and believes whatever Bill O'Reilly/Sean Hannity says.  It's pathetic.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 04, 2010, 09:14:18 am
Hutchison effect, which supposedly makes metal liquid (sometimes -- how? -- why? -- when?) chose this time to make it into powder.
Well, why powder this time?

How does Hutchison effect work?

Why don't you start with these two questions, Matrixcutter.  Or are you as mysterious as Mr. Hutchison.  Maybe, you would tell us if we handed you a big bag of money or something.

Sorry, I don't have one.  And I like to know what I'm buying before I buy it.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: oyashango on June 20, 2010, 05:54:58 pm
What do you guys think of this new 8 part doc-discussion with structural-physicisits Dr. Woods who
is postulating that 911 was not due to air plane attacks, but "free energy" directed weapontry?
======

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qprBH8BuvXE&feature=related
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on June 20, 2010, 06:24:45 pm
What do you guys think of this new 8 part doc-discussion with structural-physicisits Dr. Woods who
is postulating that 911 was not due to air plane attacks, but "free energy" directed weapontry?
======

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qprBH8BuvXE&feature=related

I think it is perfect timing to distract from the BP false flag, Iran attack plans, and Rockefeller's plan to nuke the internet. but that is just me
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 20, 2010, 06:26:00 pm
+1
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on June 20, 2010, 06:27:16 pm
-1
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 20, 2010, 06:47:12 pm
Viper, you're in Ireland, right?

Hutchison effect must work in Ireland, too.  Just not America.

I though it was just a Canadian thing.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on June 20, 2010, 06:57:27 pm
Viper, you're in Ireland, right?

Hutchison effect must work in Ireland, too.  Just not America.

I though it was just a Canadian thing.
1 I have no idea what ya talking about, i'm against peer prressure and group think is all.

2 Why do you keep asking folks where there from?

3 I strongly doubt you be in s korea friend.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 20, 2010, 07:02:17 pm
You don't have to answer.  But I'm an American living in SK.  You can come and visit me if you want, though I'm going back to the states for three weeks in July/August, so it would have to be before or after.

So, do you believe in "free energy"?  Hutchison effect?  Do you believe WTC buildings were taken down by unconventional means -- not explosives/thermite/nanothermite?

Was this just off-off-topic?
  
Forget about where you are at, where do you stand?

BTW, I only have about four of five friends in the entire world, and you are not yet one of them.  So, stop the patronizing "my friend" crap. (If it's any comfort to you, my friends think I'm an anti-semite too, though.)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on June 20, 2010, 07:28:24 pm
..So, do you believe in "free energy"?  Hutchison effect?  Do you believe WTC buildings were taken down by unconventional means -- not explosives/thermite/nanothermite?

I found some of the pics of the melted cars interesting, as well the fact there was a hurricane off-shore that day, i also think they got ''weapons" that they probably gotta test out at times, on 9/11 i dunno what brought down the towers and i don't believe a big passenger plane hit the pentagon.
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Was this just off-off-topic?
 
I guess a little bit of that, but more importantly it serves as a good lesson in thinking for yourself
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Forget about where you are at, where do you stand?..
I stand as an individual belonging to no man, NGO, nor secret service (acting or retired)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: oyashango on June 20, 2010, 07:39:14 pm
What do you guys think of this new 8 part doc-discussion with structural-physicisits Dr. Woods who
is postulating that 911 was not due to air plane attacks, but "free energy" directed weapontry?
======

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qprBH8BuvXE&feature=related

LOL! Somehow, I kinda knew it would end up here which of course, answers my question.
She was postulating that the pulverization of everything but the flying papers, and the fact of no one being seriously burnt in the fires that followed are an indication that some sort of high bean concentration of energy was being used.  I am by no means even a novice in this dept. but she certainly seems sure of herself.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on June 20, 2010, 07:43:15 pm
I found some of the pics of the melted cars interesting, as well the fact there was a hurricane off-shore that day, i also think they got ''weapons" that they probably gotta test out at times, on 9/11 i dunno what brought down the towers and i don't believe a big passenger plane hit the pentagon.  
I guess a little bit of that, but more importantly it serves as a good lesson in thinking for yourselfI stand as an individual belonging to no man, NGO, nor secret service (acting or retired)

Actually, I'm undecided about the pentagon myself.  I do think for myself, too.

As for WTC, I don't think it was a "test" or anything that experimental.  I think that it was a controlled demolition, pure and simple, by the book.  That is why they came down as in free-fall, pancaked.  I don't think the NWO 'experiments'.  They pulled the buildings and the planes were a cover.  That is where I stand on that.  (I am fairly confident that is the general chain of events in NY, though as I said, I'm still on the fence re. D.C.)

I am hardly lock-step with Dig all the time.  We butt heads plenty.  But, on this I guess I am in agreement.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 08:56:55 am
What do you guys think of this new 8 part doc-discussion with structural-physicisits Dr. Woods who
is postulating that 911 was not due to air plane attacks, but "free energy" directed weapontry?
======

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qprBH8BuvXE&feature=related
I think it is perfect timing to distract from the BP false flag ...
The trouble with that is that this interview is 7 months old.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 09:09:46 am
LOL! Somehow, I kinda knew it would end up here which of course, answers my question.
She was postulating that the pulverization of everything but the flying papers, and the fact of no one being seriously burnt in the fires that followed are an indication that some sort of high bean concentration of energy was being used.  I am by no means even a novice in this dept. but she certainly seems sure of herself.
We're not dealing with a situation as simple as a highly qualified scientist having information which proves that some previous theories are wrong.

We're dealing with a "truth movement" that was set up and controlled from the start to manipulate the minds of the people who would inevitably smell a rat about the official 9/11 theory.

This truth movement has smeared Dr Wood and her work and ensured that the people who will not (possibly even cannot) think for themselves won't even look at her work, because it is forbidden, psychologically and otherwise.  They will dismiss Dr Wood's work without knowing what it is, and repeat the misleading terms and phrases given to them by some of the leaders of the truth movement.

Dr Wood has a much higher level of understanding of this kind of manipulation than most people in this forum, for example, simply by learning from her own observations of the reaction to her work over the last few years.

And of course she has a much more advanced scientific understanding of the evidence she discusses than most people in the world, let alone in the "9/11 truth movement".

There are people who will take it upon themselves to watch this video and to consider the information by themselves and for themselves.  And then there are those who do not think for themselves, some of whom insist that they do, while they regurgitate "9/11 truth" theories that were proven to be inaccurate several years ago e.g. the pancake collapse (which resulted in a total lack of "pancakes" after this pancake collapse.)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on June 21, 2010, 09:30:34 am
Show me your energy weapon.


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 09:31:21 am
In case there are some genuine independent thinkers out there, here are all 8 parts:

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 1/8 (10mins 1s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qprBH8BuvXE

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 2/8 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT2nSbzIrAo

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 3/8 (10mins 1s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2HXO-UGIPY

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 4/8 (10mins 1s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9Lec-7O2s

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 5/8 (10mins 1s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHQYJb2HFTI

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 6/8 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkF74cK3vBw

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 7/8 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIuL5k5dEJo

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 8/8 (10mins 1s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwQ2I6EdBKg
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jeremystalked1 on June 21, 2010, 09:38:28 am
In case there are some genuine independent thinkers out there, here are all 8 parts:

Well, I'm an independent thinker, and while I agree that the truth movement is engineered/shaped by the CIA, I think you're well off the mark when you say DEW's are the real story and everything else is a distraction.

"They" - some factions of the CIA - want the inside job to be obvious.

"They" want you to pick up on Illuminati/Masonic symbolism in the entertainment industry.

Read up on psychological warfare tactics (http://areyoutargeted.com/orientation/psywar/).  You guys are being sensitized to certain themes.  What is the purpose of this sensitization?  Can you figure it out?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on June 21, 2010, 09:40:08 am
In case there are some genuine independent thinkers out there, here are all 8 parts:

ROFL

You'd get a better response in the David Icke forums or Above Top DisInfo


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: oyashango on June 21, 2010, 09:41:18 am
We're not dealing with a situation as simple as a highly qualified scientist having information which proves that some previous theories are wrong.

We're dealing with a "truth movement" that was set up and controlled from the start to manipulate the minds of the people who would inevitably smell a rat about the official 9/11 theory.

This truth movement has smeared Dr Wood and her work and ensured that the people who will not (possibly even cannot) think for themselves won't even look at her work, because it is forbidden, psychologically and otherwise.  They will dismiss Dr Wood's work without knowing what it is, and repeat the misleading terms and phrases given to them by some of the leaders of the truth movement.

Dr Wood has a much higher level of understanding of this kind of manipulation than most people in this forum, for example, simply by learning from her own observations of the reaction to her work over the last few years.

And of course she has a much more advanced scientific understanding of the evidence she discusses than most people in the world, let alone in the "9/11 truth movement".

There are people who will take it upon themselves to watch this video and to consider the information by themselves and for themselves.  And then there are those who do not think for themselves, some of whom insist that they do, while they regurgitate "9/11 truth" theories that were proved to be inaccurate several years ago e.g. the pancake collapse (which resulted in a total lack of "pancakes" after this pancake collapse.)

Thanks matrixcutter. I took the time to really listen to her, and even though I have no experience in this area, I kinda like to think my discernment skills are not that bad. She said from the start that many will debunk her thesis, and that she had learned when she first heard of the attacks and watched how the towers fell, especially building 7, that what the media, and then later the “truth movement” were reporting and postulating was not correct or the entire story.

She independently and carefully conducted her own investigation, examining  the evidence, and concluded that some other weaponry was used.  She did not totally rule out that planes were used. But she stated that they, the thermite and the fire alone could not have possibly created the kind of pulverization of literally everything including the contents in the building. She thought it odd that there were absolutely no human charred remains.

She concluded that  the planes  had to have been used  in conjunction with some high powered energy beam weapon system, she speculates the government  might have been testing.. She reminded us that even the toilets, desks, humans, and other common furniture was completely pulverized to dust, yet there were no burns on the thousands of sheets of paper flying around the debris.   It got me to thinking, that she may be onto something that many might have overlooked or never even considered. 

Although this article has been junked into the "disinfo" file, I am still not convinced that it is disinfo.  She sacrificed her credibility and career she was so convinced of her findings.  I also read somewhere that the truth movement had been hijacked by the CIA. Don't know if this is true.  However, if she offers other interviews, I will listen again to her evidence and arguments.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 09:42:05 am
Show me your energy weapon.
That is such a ridiculous thing to say.  Anybody capable of thinking at all knows that it is not my energy weapon, and therefore I can't show you my energy weapon.

And I can't show you the directed energy weapon because I have nothing to do with it, I don't know who does have it (although SAIC - which is essentially a backwards CIA's - are prime suspects), I don't know where it is, what the serial number is, what the people who used it had for breakfast, whether or not they have foreskins, etc. etc.

These bizarre demands for impossible information are meaningless.  They don't negate the information that we do have, and they don't add anything to it.

But then you're the person who asserted that David Noakes is a Bilderberger purely because he advised people against voting for UKIP, simply because you're not ready to consider UKIP to be part of the control mechanism that is politics, despite being a political party (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=169901.0).

So I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: H0llyw00d on June 21, 2010, 09:42:20 am
I don't think anybody from that crappy administration could even spell "Directed Energy Weapons", more less implement one.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 09:43:54 am
Quote
In case there are some genuine independent thinkers out there, here are all 8 parts:
ROFL

You'd get a better response in the David Icke forums or Above Top DisInfo
That wasn't my response to your post, obviously.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on June 21, 2010, 09:45:58 am
This is such a ridiculous thing to say.  Anybody capable of thinking at all knows that it is not my energy weapon, and therefore I can't show you my energy weapon.

And I can't show you the directed energy weapon because I have nothing to do with it, I don't know who does have it (although SAIC - which is essentially a backwards CIA's - are prime suspects), I don't know where it is, what the serial number is, what the people who used it had for breakfast, whether or not they have foreskins, etc. etc.

These bizarre demands for impossible information are meaningless.  They don't negate the information that we do have, and they don't add anything to it.

So you expect us to belive in some bizzare Energy Weapon that does not exist.

Worse you attack because some one has called your bluff.



Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 09:50:14 am
So you expect us to belive in some bizzare Energy Weapon that does not exist.
No.  It does exist, obviously.

I don't expect you to believe in it, but that's a different matter entirely.


Worse you attack because some one has called your bluff.
I'm bored of your pointlessness now.  Have a nice life.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on June 21, 2010, 09:52:47 am
No.  It does exist, obviously.

I don't expect you to believe in it, but that's a different matter entirely.

I'm bored of your pointlessness now.  Have a nice life.


Your claims are without any real evidence....

If you wish to advocate the use of a technique, it helps if it is known to exist and not science fiction.


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 10:04:45 am
Well, I'm an independent thinker, and while I agree that the truth movement is engineered/shaped by the CIA, I think you're well off the mark when you say DEW's are the real story and everything else is a distraction.
That's not exactly what I said but it's close.


"They" - some factions of the CIA - want the inside job to be obvious.
I agree.  I believe this is something to do with the fact that we are in the era of the Revelation of the Method, as discussed by Michael A. Hoffman II in his excellent book Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare.

The idiocy displayed earlier in this thread has rendered it necessary for me to point out that I am not Michael A. Hoffman II, and I don't work for him.  But I do recommend that people (except total newbies)  read that book if they haven't already.  In fact, I recommend that they read it even if they have read it once before.


"They" want you to pick up on Illuminati/Masonic symbolism in the entertainment industry.
I'm not sure about that.  I believe they want it to be visible, but I doubt they want everybody to understand what it means.

They probably do want a subsection of society to pick up on it though.


Read up on psychological warfare tactics (http://areyoutargeted.com/orientation/psywar/).  You guys are being sensitized to certain themes.  What is the purpose of this sensitization?  Can you figure it out?
Yes, but directed energy weaponry still explains the 9/11 evidence, whereas bombs, thermite/thermate/super-thermite/nano-thermite and planes do not.

And of course it does exist, whether or not people want to use the ridiculous argument that if you cannot put the weapon in front of them, then it doesn't exist.

The visible effects of the use of the weapon are not evidence.  Only the weapon itself somehow being placed in front of them, by me, in an internet forum, counts as evidence.  Amazing, but not surprising.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on June 21, 2010, 10:18:04 am
well dont worry people... the DEW people will vanish just like the no planers / tv fakery people. havent heard from them for quite a while.

seriously... as if they would use some new fancy way to blow up buildings where the outcome is questionable. can the good doctor tell you where such weapon was tested? how does that weapon fling steel beams hundreds of feet away? well anyways those are just rethorical questions... no person that  really matters does cares about the DEW theory. but go ahead, waste your time.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on June 21, 2010, 10:22:06 am
... no person that  really matters does cares about the DEW theory...
so who "really matters", Jones?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jeremystalked1 on June 21, 2010, 10:30:54 am
We already have convincing evidence that people at the highest levels of the visible government had foreknowledge or were even involved in its planning.  How does adding secret technology to the mix help in any way?  Why not say 9/11 was part of a deal with the Crab People, while you're at it?

I'm in contact with a community of people who are experiencing advanced DEW's (http://areyoutargeted.com/orientation/electronic-harassment) on a daily basis.  I've experienced some of them myself.  And I'm here to tell you: don't bring DEW's into the discussion of 9/11.  It's unhelpful, and a distraction.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 10:40:51 am
Thanks matrixcutter.
You're welcome.


I took the time to really listen to her, and even though I have no experience in this area, I kinda like to think my discernment skills are not that bad. She said from the start that many will debunk her thesis, and that she had learned when she first heard of the attacks and watched how the towers fell, especially building 7, that what the media, and then later the “truth movement” were reporting and postulating was not correct or the entire story.

She independently and carefully conducted her own investigation, examining  the evidence, and concluded that some other weaponry was used.  She did not totally rule out that planes were used. But she stated that they, the thermite and the fire alone could not have possibly created the kind of pulverization of literally everything including the contents in the building. She thought it odd that there were absolutely no human charred remains.
It all seems pretty obvious now.

But the propaganda of the mainstream media gave people the official story, and the propaganda of the alternative media gave the quasi-questioners their alternative official story.  Both medias have similar techniques of smearing and ridiculing anybody who questions their official story.


She concluded that  the planes  had to have been used  in conjunction with some high powered energy beam weapon system, she speculates the government  might have been testing.. She reminded us that even the toilets, desks, humans, and other common furniture was completely pulverized to dust, yet there were no burns on the thousands of sheets of paper flying around the debris.   It got me to thinking, that she may be onto something that many might have overlooked or never even considered.
There's no doubt whatsoever that she's onto something.  The evidence proves it.
Although I don't believe the testing was done on the day itself.  It would have been done years in advance.


Although this article has been junked into the "disinfo" file, I am still not convinced that it is disinfo.
It isn't, but it contradicts the alternative official story, hence it has been moved to this thread.


She sacrificed her credibility and career she was so convinced of her findings.
And one of her students was murdered.


I also read somewhere that the truth movement had been hijacked by the CIA. Don't know if this is true.
The interviewer quotes Lenin early on, saying that the best way to control the opposition is to lead it.  And as Dr Wood asked, if you were going to plan a massive false-flag like 9/11, wouldn't you plan the cover up even more thoroughly?

Don't forget that the Scholars for 9/11 Truth logo was an illuminated torch.


However, if she offers other interviews, I will listen again to her evidence and arguments.
There are several more on youtube, and on her website (http://www.drjudywood.com).  At least two were posted earlier on in this thread (or ended up in here) e.g. Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU), and Dr Judy Wood-9-11 The New Hiroshima (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzSN7dKSAaM)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 10:44:39 am
so who "really matters", Jones?
The official 9/11 truth movement, which was set up and controlled from the beginning.

If you planned 9/11, you wouldn't overlook setting up a 9/11 truth movement as well.

Independent people who contradict the disinfo within this truth movement e.g. thermite, must be dealt with accordingly - see most of this thread.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 10:54:08 am
We already have convincing evidence that people at the highest levels of the visible government had foreknowledge or were even involved in its planning.  How does adding secret technology to the mix help in any way?
Because it shows that some of the information we have been given is wrong, and it has incredibly significant long-term technological implications.

The energy implications are mentioned in the video:

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 1/8 (10mins 1s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qprBH8BuvXE

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 2/8 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT2nSbzIrAo

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 3/8 (10mins 1s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2HXO-UGIPY

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 4/8 (10mins 1s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9Lec-7O2s

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 5/8 (10mins 1s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHQYJb2HFTI

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 6/8 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkF74cK3vBw

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 7/8 (10mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIuL5k5dEJo

Directed Energy Weapons used on 9/11 part 8/8 (9mins 51s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwQ2I6EdBKg


Incidentally, Mr thermite aka Steven E. Jones is connected to free energy research.  If people research this objectively, they will be left wondering (at least) whether Steven E. Jones is a plant, who also happens to have been directly involved in the first major divide and rule incident within the "9/11 truth movement".


Why not say 9/11 was part of a deal with the Crab People, while you're at it?
Oh I see, you're not serious at all.

Fair enough.


I'm in contact with a community of people who are experiencing advanced DEW's (http://areyoutargeted.com/orientation/electronic-harassment) on a daily basis.  I've experienced some of them myself.  And I'm here to tell you: don't bring DEW's into the discussion of 9/11.  It's unhelpful, and a distraction.
I love a bit of irony, so thanks for that little gem.  Have a nice life.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on June 21, 2010, 11:07:05 am
I mentioned before the fact that these DEWs need testing, now i don't believe they'd be stupid enough to test it on the "big day", i only wanted to point out that these things have probably been used in the past and not only in someones wet dream.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on June 21, 2010, 11:13:24 am
The official 9/11 truth movement, which was set up and controlled from the beginning...

Maybe it was just let to stumble along at the beginnings with an invisible guiding hand, prior to the elite having enough "strings" to play with?

I'm no longer part of any movement myself, i guess my worst experience from the movement was luke taking five grand for himself.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 11:21:36 am
I mentioned before the fact that these DEWs need testing, now i don't believe they'd be stupid enough to test it on the "big day", i only wanted to point out that these things have probably been used in the past and not only in someones wet dream.
Yes, but if you weren't there to photograph the testing, and take written admissions from all those involved, and if you can't provide precise GPS coordinates of the location or locations of all of those tests, then they didn't happen.  They were impossible.

 ::)


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The official 9/11 truth movement, which was set up and controlled from the beginning...
Maybe it was just let to stumble along at the beginnings with an invisible guiding hand, prior to the elite having enough "strings" to play with?
Maybe.  Maybe it was more than that.


I'm no longer part of any movement myself, i guess my worst experience from the movement was luke taking five grand for himself.
I don't know what you're talking about.  I'd like you to make another thread (it's probably best to do it in this subforum) and explain it in there.  If you do it in this thread, it will be easy for the smearers to associate your accusations with Dr Wood's research.  Obviously they are not connected, but even more obviously that sort of thing doesn't make any difference to some people.

I have seen some information that could be posted in such a thread.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Viper on June 21, 2010, 11:32:47 am
..I'd like you to make another thread (it's probably best to do it in this subforum) and explain it in there...

It's nothing, and though a thread named "reflections on the truth movement" would be healthy and cleansing, some people inside the "never question ourselves" camp would say we were obvious trolls and haters.
The result of such a thread, having laid all prejudices at the door before entering, could really open some minds, but no worries, higher levels of the truth CAN be found still .. INTERNETS SHUTTING DOWN IN 3.. 2.. 1..

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on June 21, 2010, 11:40:48 am
No.  It does exist, obviously.

I don't expect you to believe in it, but that's a different matter entirely.

I'm bored of your pointlessness now.  Have a nice life.


Energy Weapons ?
Why not just admit its all Science Fiction ?


Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on June 21, 2010, 12:40:35 pm
Can your doctor please show us in an experiment how those energy weapon does destroy a concrete/steel structure? For a controlled demolition there are thousands of videos of buildings getting blown up. Also explosives have been found and unexploded material being ignited in a lab. Where is the physical evidence from of the DEW people?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on June 21, 2010, 12:47:36 pm
Can your doctor please show us in an experiment how those energy weapon does destroy a concrete/steel structure? For a controlled demolition there are thousands of videos of buildings getting blown up. Also explosives have been found and unexploded material being ignited in a lab. Where is the physical evidence from of the DEW people?

Most excellent question....

Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 21, 2010, 01:01:46 pm
It's nothing,
If five grand is nothing to you, can you give me five grand, please?


and though a thread named "reflections on the truth movement" would be healthy and cleansing, some people inside the "never question ourselves" camp would say we were obvious trolls and haters.
They've already said that.

I didn't necessarily mean a generic thread like that, but the same point applies.


The result of such a thread, having laid all prejudices at the door before entering, could really open some minds, but no worries, higher levels of the truth CAN be found still
Indeed.

I won't bother posting the information (http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=33142) I referred to earlier.

(And I won't bother answering the people who clearly don't actually want to hear any answers, and/or only want to ask questions to which only the perpetrators know the answers.)

The important evidence is all over Dr Wood's website (http://www.drjudywood.com) and in the interviews to which certain people don't want to listen.  They can take it or leave it.  But they ought not to say that there isn't any, because that is simply not true, and they know it.

Disagreeing with an interpretation of that evidence does not negate the existence of that evidence.  But that's just the sort of fundamental logical error you have to put up with when you're questioning the conditioning to which people have become incredibly and irrationally loyal.

I no longer have the time or the inclination to battle with bruised egos and stubborn logic-free rigidity.  So they can get on with their insults and their pointless repetition.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on June 21, 2010, 01:42:17 pm
I've been to Dr Woods site


Dr Woods has no evidence of any Energy Weapons, she simply makes the extraordinary claim that it must have been energy weapons because she can not explain it....

http://www.drjudywood.com/new.html



Quote
Beam Weapons, Energy Weapons, and Directed Energy Weapons (DEW):
 
We have used the terms "beam weapons" and "directed energy weapons" to refer to unconventional weapons (exotic weapons) that are energy weapons. We broadly define DEW as Energy that is Directed and is used as a Weapon. The full range of these weapons is classified information, so we make no limits or distinction of categories within the realm of energy weapons, as doing so would imply specific knowledge of all that is available. In the following paragraph, we have listed some of the possibilities we are aware of.
Our critics have accused us of insisting that beam weapons did their damage from outer space, yet we make no claim about whether the directed energy weapon operated from a space-, air-, or ground-based platform. Nor do we make any claim about what wavelength(s) was used, what the source(s) of energy was, whether it involved interference of multiple beams, whether it involved sound waves, whether it involved sonoluminescence, whether it involved antimatter weapons, whether it involved scalar weapons, whether it was HAARP (more here and here), whether it involved a nuclear process (e.g. NDEW, more info), whether it involved conventional directed energy weapons (cDEW), whether it involved improvised directed energy weapons (iDEW), nor what kind of accelerator was used, nor do we claim to know what the serial numbers of the parts that were in the weapon(s).

What we do claim is that the evidence is consistent with the use of energy weapons that go well beyond the capabilities of conventional explosives and can be directed.


"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."


So where is the proof ?

Dr Wood has ADMITTED that she is just making it up because she can not figure it out.



USE YOUR BRAIN

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What we do claim is that the evidence is consistent with the use of energy weapons that go well beyond the capabilities of conventional explosives and can be directed.

Consider that she has admitted earlier on she has no clue as to what shape name or form this magical energy weapon might take....




Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 24, 2010, 03:43:40 pm
The important evidence is all over Dr Wood's website (http://www.drjudywood.com) and in the interviews to which certain people don't want to listen.  They can take it or leave it.  But they ought not to say that there isn't any, because that is simply not true, and they know it.

Disagreeing with an interpretation of that evidence does not negate the existence of that evidence.  But that's just the sort of fundamental logical error you have to put up with when you're questioning the conditioning to which people have become incredibly and irrationally loyal.
Again, there is no point in engaging with intellectually dishonest people who pretend that there is no evidence.  It's simply not true.

I've gone through the most recent video to highlight some of the important points that Dr Wood made, because there are people who generally refuse to watch those videos and dismiss everything in them without even knowing what it is.

Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9Lec-7O2s) at around 6 minutes

Dr Wood: Basically there was nothing left of the top 80% of the building, and it's not hitting anything as it's flying through the air.  So why is it turned to powder in mid-air? And if you look at it, it looks like water turning into steam, you know, expanding tremendously.  When water turns into steam it expands in volume by 1600 times.  And to me that's what the building looked like.  Suddenly all the molecules, instead of being attracted to each other were repelling each other.

And one of the biggest "aha moments" I had was this picture that's about a block north of the world trade centre complex.  About 15 minutes after the north tower goes poof - I don't say collapse, it goes poof, it goes away.  And you got a clear blue sky, you're looking west, clear blue sky so all the dust has settled out of the air.  But then you look at that dust on the ground and it's starting to rise up around people's feet, and pretty soon it starts to rise all up by itself.  If it's that fine it could not have settled out of the air that quickly.  It has to have been coarse dust that landed and then became fine dust.

[They also point out that there were no toilets found in the wreckage, and no desks.  Just one portion of a filing cabinet was found and that was it.]

Building 7 is a great one to talk about, and talk about this false opposition that was set up.  You get the truth movement with their bombs in the building or their thermite or whatever it is, that they're doing in competition with NIST and the thermal expansion.  So it's either-or, you know, it's false choice.

But this dismisses the bombs-in-the-building crowd by saying there's no loud explosions; that a block or two north of building 7, filming the event could pick up low level conversations down the street.  Wait a minute, what's wrong with this picture?  That right there voids their conclusion as well.  If you have a 47-storey building quote collapsing to the ground, that's going to sound like it's raining dump trucks.  It's going to be a racket of bang crash boom, and it was silent.  What 47-storey building goes away without making a thud?  The seismographs for the event, you couldn't really detect a signal outside of the background noise.  It was no more than a jackhammer.


Start of part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHQYJb2HFTI)

Dr Wood: I don't look so much at weapons but look at phenomena.  And I kept looking at phenomena until I really understood what was going on.  And then one day I happened upon the website of John Hutchison, and my jaw dropped.  There's a one-to-one correlation with every one of his pictures with the same phenomena at the world trade centre.

Interviewer: And for the listeners can you explain what the Hutchison Effect is?

Dr Wood: It's interference of different types of energy, like an electrostatic field interfered with radio frequency waves or microwaves.  And so it's not just a single type of wave.  It's an interference of different types.  And this interference is a different kind of physics.  This interference causes a totally different effect.  So you could have for example a field over the whole city that you know by itself isn't going to do anything, but you interfere a specific spot and boom there's where something happens - like building 6 had these cylindrical cut-outs like a post hole digger just poked holes out of the building.  Just totally empty down to the ground.

Interviewer: So can these [weapons] really be creating such a magnitude to deliver the results seen at the world trade centre.

Dr Wood: Well is the tower still there?

Interviewer: No, so you answered the question right there.

Dr Wood: You know people criticise me for not doing calculations to prove whether or not the towers could be destroyed.  You just look and you see.  You don't need a theory to look at evidence.  It's empirical evidence.  It's like "is somebody wearing shoes?"  Well just look at their feet and see if they're wearing shoes.  Why develop a theory about it?

Interviewer: Is there an epicentre [of the truth movement] that took the ball and ran with it, and now millions of people follow that and the powers that be, or the powers that want to be are happy because they're just spreading disinformation.

Dr Wood: Yes.  And also what seems to have been done is they've been methodically trained.  These are decent people who just are you know jumping on this bandwagon, kind of like beeball.  You know, when the children play they go like a swarm of bees around the ball, like little league.  I call it beeball.  It just looks like all the bees swarming around something.  That's what the truth movement became.  Everyone's got to be repeating the exact same phrase.  And it seemed like they were trained to repeat over and over again "space beams", "disinfo", "all speculation, no evidence", where the opposite is true.  I only present evidence, and the evidence speaks for itself.  But people have been told don't go look at her website, it's just speculation.  Don't look, don't look, whatever you do don't look there.  Well if somebody tells me that, I go look.  And you just look at the pictures and you can't explain this stuff any other way.


Start of part 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkF74cK3vBw)

Dr Wood: There are different types of energy frequencies, the whole wide spectrum. ... different frequencies do different things.  Think of X-rays, they do something differently than visible lights.  It's all the same spectrums, just a different end.  Now microwaves, I think pretty much everyone is familiar with what happens if you put a piece of paper or paper towel in a microwave over, with your cup of coffee on it, unless it's wet.

Interviewer: If there's moisture yes, but if it's dry then what happens?

Dr Wood: Nothing.

Interviewer: Right.

Dr Wood: And there are some mugs that you don't want to put in there because they heat it.  Other mugs don't, they're different material.  So we know that different frequencies of energy affect different materials differently.

Interviewer: So we could see papers everywhere, but we couldn't see anything else.

Dr Wood: And also the unburned paper next to vehicles that looked like they were just horrendously on fire.

-----

Hurricane Erin - hurricanes cause field effects.


-----

There are more presentations and interviews on Dr Wood's site, and much more evidence.  If someone wants to ignore all of that evidence and pretend that there isn't any, then there is no point in engaging with such intellectual dishonesty.

Tesla was doing his experiments around a century ago, and John Hutchison has been experimenting and replicating some of Tesla's work for decades.  We know that directed energy weaponry is a reality because the evidence proves that it was used on 9/11.  The fact that the perpetrators haven't come out and shown the world their equipment does not negate the evidence that we can observe from 9/11.

If people are not ready for it, they're not ready for it.  But the evidence is there.  To argue that directed energy weaponry is science fiction is ridiculous given the clear evidence that it was used on 9/11.  It's the "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then there is no such thing as a duck" argument.

-----

Key Evidence (videos) (http://www.drjudywood.com/wtc/key.html)
Archive of Presentations/Events (http://www.drjudywood.com/archives.html)
Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW) (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/)
Molecular Dissociation: from Dust to Dirt (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/)
Anomalies at the WTC and the Hutchison Effect (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/)
9/11 Weather Anomalies and Field Effects (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/)
Qui Tam Case (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.html)

-----

Dr Wood on "the 9/11 truth movement": Everyone's got to be repeating the exact same phrase.  And it seemed like they were trained to repeat over and over again "space beams", "disinfo", "all speculation, no evidence", where the opposite is true.  I only present evidence, and the evidence speaks for itself.  But people have been told don't go look at her website, it's just speculation.  Don't look, don't look, whatever you do don't look there.  Well if somebody tells me that, I go look.  And you just look at the pictures and you can't explain this stuff any other way.

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Some of the principal evidence that must be explained:
 
1. The Twin Towers were destroyed faster than physics can explain by a free fall speed "collapse."
2. They underwent mid-air pulverization and were turned to dust before they hit the ground.
3. The protective bathtub was not significantly damaged by the destruction of the Twin Towers.
4. The rail lines, the tunnels and most of the rail cars had only light damage, if any.
5. The WTC underground mall survived well, witnessed by Warner Bros. Road Runner and friends. There were reports that "The Gap" was looted.
6. The seismic impact was minimal, far too small based on a comparison with the Kingdome controlled demolition.
7. The Twin Towers were destroyed from the top down, not bottom up.
8. The demolition of WTC7 was whisper quiet and the seismic signal was not significantly greater than background noise.
9. The upper 80 percent, approximately, of each tower was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.
10. The upper 90 percent, approximately, of the inside of WTC7 was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.
11. One file cabinet with folder dividers survived.
12. No toilets survived or even recognizable portions of one.
13. Windows of nearby buildings had circular and other odd-shaped holes in them.
14. In addition to the odd window damage, the marble facade was completely missing from around WFC1 and WFC2 entry, with no other apparent structural damage.
15. Fuzzballs, evidence that the dust continued to break down and become finer and finer.
16. Truckloads of dirt were hauled in and hauled out of the WTC site, a pattern that continues to this day.
17. Fuming of the dirt pile. Fuming decreased when watered, contrary to fumes caused by fire or heat.
18. Fuzzyblobs, a hazy cloud that appeared to be around material being destroyed.
19. The Swiss-Cheese appearance of steel beams and glass.
20. Evidence of molecular dissociation and transmutation, as demonstrated by the near-instant rusting of affected steel.
21. Weird fires. The appearance of fire, but without evidence of heating.
22. Lack of high heat. Witnesses reported that the initial dust cloud felt cooler than ambient temperatures. No evidence of burned bodies.
23. Columns were curled around a vertical axis like rolled-up carpets, where overloaded buckled beams should be bent around the horizontal axis.
24. Office paper was densely spread throughout lower Manhattan, unburned, often along side cars that appeared to be burning.
25. Vertical round holes were cut into buildings 4, 5 and 6, and into Liberty street in front of Bankers Trust, and into Vesey Street in front of WTC6, plus a cylindrical arc was cut into Bankers Trust.
26. All planes except top secret missions were ordered down until 10:31 a.m. (when only military flights were allowed to resume), after both towers were destroyed, and only two minutes (120 seconds) after WTC 1 had been destroyed.
27. Approximately 1,400 motor vehicles were towed away, toasted in strange ways, during the destruction of the Twin Towers.
28. The order and method of destruction of each tower minimized damage to the bathtub and adjacent buildings.
29. More damage was done to the bathtub by earth-moving equipment during the clean-up process than from the destruction of more than a million tons of buildings above it.
30. Twin Tower control without damaging neighboring buildings, in fact all seriously damaged and destroyed buildings had a WTC prefix.
31. The north wing of WTC 4 was left standing, neatly sliced from the main body which virtually disappeared.
32. For more than seven years, regions in the ground under where the main body of WTC4 stood have continued to fume.
33. The WTC1 and WTC2 rubble pile was far too small to account for the total mass of the buildings.
34. The WTC7 rubble pile was too small for the total mass of the building and consisted of a lot of mud.
35. Eyewitness testimony about toasted cars, instant disappearance of people by "unexplained" waves, a plane turning into a mid-air fireball, electrical power cut off moments before WTC 2 destruction, and the sound of explosions.
36. Eyewitness testimony of Scott-pack explosions in fire trucks and fire trucks exploding that were parked near the WTC.
37. There were many flipped cars in the neighborhood of the WTC complex near trees with full foliage.
38. Magnetometer readings in Alaska recorded abrupt shifts in the earth's magnetic field with each of the events at the WTC on 9/11.
39. Hurricane Erin, located just off Long Island on 9/11/01, went virtually unreported in the days leading up to 9/11, including omission of this Hurricane on the morning weather map, even though that portion of the Atlantic Ocean was shown on the map.
40. Sillystring, the appearance of curious cork-screw trails.
41. Uncanny similarities with the Hutchison Effect, where the Hutchison Effect exhibits all of the same phenomena listed above.


* Is it possible that such a technology exist? Since invention of the microwave for cooking in 1945 (http://timelines.ws/subjects/Technology.HTML) and lasers in 1955 (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam7.html#laser)*, commercial and military development of directed-energy technology has proceeded apace, so use of directed-energy technology is likely to exist -- and the data tells us it does exist.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on June 25, 2010, 03:19:59 am
Hahaha pure comedy.

"So why is it turned to powder in mid-air?" Uhhh explosives?
I stopped reading then. The only evidence I saw there is the same the noplaners or tv fakery people have. Pictures misinterpreted on purpose.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 25, 2010, 08:40:16 am
If anybody believes that explosives turn steel to powder, then the truth is clearly not relevant to them.

If someone believes something (or at least claims to) that is demonstrably false, not to mention physically impossible, then this tends to take the edge off their attempts to ridicule any alternative point of view.

But that won't stop them doing it, over and over and over and over and over and over again.

There are more presentations and interviews on Dr Wood's site (http://www.drjudywood.com), and much more evidence.  If someone wants to ignore all of that evidence and pretend that there isn't any, then there is no point in engaging with such intellectual dishonesty.

Tesla was doing his experiments around a century ago, and John Hutchison has been experimenting and replicating some of Tesla's work for decades.  We know that directed energy weaponry is a reality because the evidence proves that it was used on 9/11.  The fact that the perpetrators haven't come out and shown the world their equipment does not negate the evidence that we can observe from 9/11.

If people are not ready for it, they're not ready for it.  But the evidence is there.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on June 25, 2010, 09:58:59 am
If anybody believes that explosives turn steel to powder, then the truth is clearly not relevant to them.

If someone believes something (or at least claims to) that is demonstrably false, not to mention physically impossible, then this tends to take the edge off their attempts to ridicule any alternative point of view.

But that won't stop them doing it, over and over and over and over and over and over again.


I see steel getting blown hundreds of feet away, I see a huge pile of steel everywhere and never once one beem turn to dust lol. And for your other point "If someone wants to ignore all of that evidence..." yes... I want to ignore all the evidence especially if it comes from the same person that has already so many things wrong that even if some of it is factual it cant be trusted. Also if she believes steel really turned to dust there should be records somewhere how much was used in building the towers and how much was hauled away. So did she look up how much actually vanished to powder? Was it 25%? 50? How much steel vanished? Did anyone look into it? I dont think so. So there you have it. The most logical steps to proof their own theories arent followed. Like the tv fakery people. Instead of looking into the possibility of 2 videos being shot at different locations with different angles etc they shout omfg they used layers and thats why the buildings moved from one footage to the other.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on June 25, 2010, 10:09:31 am
(1) Look at some photos / video from 911

(2) Jump to wild conclusion based on Science Fiction

(3) If questioned, just insist look at the 'evidence'.




Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Georgiacopguy on June 25, 2010, 10:14:27 am
I looked at the video, and all i saw was a steel beam falling behind an already existing dust plume, and the dust that had accumilated on it going airborne into its own plume. Given the low resolution of the video in question, it could leave alot to interpretation. Unfortunately, some people seized the poor excuse for video, and ran with it, and convinced enough people that people have now gone out and tried to prothletize the 'new truth.' And our truth movement wasnt as selective as it could have been what theories it backed or supported, which in the end can only damage our movements credibility with theories like this cropping up.

Why is it that thermite being used to take it down just isn't good enough of an explantion, especially when there is physical evidence of such. Why go with a theory where there is a complete lack of physical evidence, and the theory itself is stretched thin by it's own backstory and the tech involved to accomplish it?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 25, 2010, 10:23:27 am
Hahaha pure comedy.

"So why is it turned to powder in mid-air?" Uhhh explosives?
I see steel getting blown hundreds of feet away, I see a huge pile of steel everywhere and never once one beem turn to dust lol.
This poor clown doesn't know what he believes from one post to the next.


yes... I want to ignore all the evidence

even if some of it is factual it cant be trusted.
It's amazing what some people can admit to, without realising what they are admitting.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 25, 2010, 10:49:51 am
Why is it that thermite being used to take it down just isn't good enough of an explantion, especially when there is physical evidence of such.
Do you actually want to know, or are you just trying to ridicule something that appears to be brand new to you?

Questioning "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in dust from the 9/11 WTC Catastrophe"
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=224&Itemid=60

The evidence that cannot be explained by thermite and bombs/explosives has already been discussed in this thread, and is documented in detail on Dr Wood's website (http://www.drjudywood.com).  Many people opt to reject all of this evidence without even looking at it, let alone studying it properly.

Other people believe that Al Qaeda managed to bring the three WTC buildings down by flying planes into two of them, and then ridicule anyone who questions such idiocy.  Very similar behaviour is displayed throughout this thread.


Why go with a theory where there is a complete lack of physical evidence,
Good question.  That's certainly not what Dr Wood is doing, no matter how many times certain people pretend otherwise.


and the theory itself is stretched thin by it's own backstory
The number of times somebody has been smeared/ridiculed has no effect on the validity of their evidence.  If it has an effect on you, then you are not judging the evidence by the evidence itself.


and the tech involved to accomplish it?
The technology involved in accomplishing something that happened does exist, obviously.  It's amazing how many people actually argue otherwise.  Presumably they don't understand what they are saying.

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Key Evidence (videos) (http://www.drjudywood.com/wtc/key.html)
Archive of Presentations/Events (http://www.drjudywood.com/archives.html)
Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW) (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/)
Molecular Dissociation: from Dust to Dirt (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/)
Anomalies at the WTC and the Hutchison Effect (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/)
9/11 Weather Anomalies and Field Effects (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/)
Qui Tam Case (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.html)
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Georgiacopguy on June 25, 2010, 11:56:41 am
Do you actually want to know, or are you just trying to ridicule something that appears to be brand new to you?

Questioning "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in dust from the 9/11 WTC Catastrophe"
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=224&Itemid=60

The evidence that cannot be explained by thermite and bombs/explosives has already been discussed in this thread, and is documented in detail on Dr Wood's website (http://www.drjudywood.com).  Many people opt to reject all of this evidence without even looking at it, let alone studying it properly.

Other people believe that Al Qaeda managed to bring the three WTC buildings down by flying planes into two of them, and then ridicule anyone who questions such idiocy.  Very similar behaviour is displayed throughout this thread.

Good question.  That's certainly not what Dr Wood is doing, no matter how many times certain people pretend otherwise.

The number of times somebody has been smeared/ridiculed has no effect on the validity of their evidence.  If it has an effect on you, then you are not judging the evidence by the evidence itself.

The technology involved in accomplishing something that happened does exist, obviously.  It's amazing how many people actually argue otherwise.  Presumably they don't understand what they are saying.

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Key Evidence (videos) (http://www.drjudywood.com/wtc/key.html)
Archive of Presentations/Events (http://www.drjudywood.com/archives.html)
Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW) (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/)
Molecular Dissociation: from Dust to Dirt (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/)
Anomalies at the WTC and the Hutchison Effect (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/)
9/11 Weather Anomalies and Field Effects (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/)
Qui Tam Case (http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.html)

I think part of your problem debating this accurately is your confrontational angle on things, and the evidence itself. Having looked at as much as I could while working and such, some of the evidence you feel is conclusive is not as it relates to one theory. Some of it could very well encompass multiple theories, but does not conclusively satisfy the test of being applicable to one explanation, especially your theory. That does not throw your theory out, it just indicates you need more conclusive proof in order to reflect your theory as being a concluded fact.

Just a few examples of pictures that could interpreted to reflect multiple theories;

The photo of the fire van with burn holes. It’s a known fact there were fires that day. Of course there would be burn effects to van with large masses of thin metal.

Cars thrown about- The buildings coming down displaced massive columns of air that could theoretically lift a vehicle and flip it.

The video clip you reference is a low quality, grainy shot from 9 years ago. There was a plume at the base of the beam you refer to, and as that beam continued its collapse into the bottom plume, the dust that accumulated on it, plumed up to mask where it had been.

So long as your evidence can reflect more than one theory, you will be hard pressed to convince people.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 25, 2010, 01:12:51 pm
I think part of your problem debating this accurately is your confrontational angle
There may be some truth in this.  It's an unfortunate consequence of having to deal with the kind of idiotic and pathetic behaviour seen all over this thread, as well as repeated intellectual dishonesty.  I'm sure you've seen some of it.


Having looked at as much as I could while working and such, some of the evidence you feel is conclusive is not as it relates to one theory. Some of it could very well encompass multiple theories, but does not conclusively satisfy the test of being applicable to one explanation, especially your theory. That does not throw your theory out, it just indicates you need more conclusive proof in order to reflect your theory as being a concluded fact.
When you put all the evidence together, it is conclusive.

When you extract single pieces of evidence, then yes, you can use some of the single pieces of evidence to support alternative theories, which can be rejected when all of the evidence is taken into account.

Obviously you have to study the evidence properly, as opposed to pretending that it doesn't exist.  (I'm not referring to you here.)  There is a two-part lecture, for example, that really needs to be part of any serious attempt to understand Dr Wood's work:

9/11-The New Hiroshima-Pt 1 (Re-edit) - Dr Judy Wood, Madison, Aug 2007 (50mins)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7892004186194307613#
9/11 - The New Hiroshima - Part 2 - Dr Judy Wood, Madison, Aug 2007 (Re-Edit) (1hr 33mins)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6714196008143117547#

There are many important points made and questions asked in this presentation.  If people choose to watch the videos and then simply ignore all of the points and questions, then they might as well not have watched it in the first place.

There are also various other presentations and interviews on Dr Wood's website (http://www.drjudywood.com).


Just a few examples of pictures that could interpreted to reflect multiple theories;

The photo of the fire van with burn holes. It’s a known fact there were fires that day. Of course there would be burn effects to van with large masses of thin metal.
There is other evidence which shows that it is not a simple case of normal fires e.g. vehicles that were badly burned in the same place that paper was not burned at all.


Cars thrown about- The buildings coming down displaced massive columns of air that could theoretically lift a vehicle and flip it.
If you look at all of the examples of cars being "thrown about" and conclude that they were all lifted and moved by displaced air, then I would have to conclude that you are not being serious about your interpretation of the evidence.


The video clip you reference is a low quality, grainy shot from 9 years ago.
9/11 happened 9 years ago.  There's nothing anybody can do about that.


There was a plume at the base of the beam you refer to, and as that beam continued its collapse into the bottom plume, the dust that accumulated on it, plumed up to mask where it had been.
No, that isn't true.  The steel can clearly be seen turning to dust.
I'm not going to argue with you over what happens in video footage.  If you disagree, you disagree.  But I can see steel being turned to dust, very clearly, and not just in that single video clip.


So long as your evidence can reflect more than one theory, you will be hard pressed to convince people.
So long as people are dishonest about the evidence, the evidence will make no difference to them and their pre-existing beliefs.

And as long as there is an organised "truth movement" telling people how to think, there will always be people thinking in exactly that way, whether or not the evidence proves them wrong, and whether or not their own beliefs contradict themselves (Orwell's doublethink).

Anyone who is willing to study Dr Wood's work and analyse it objectively for themselves is free to do so, whatever the "truth movement" tells them to think.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Xill on June 25, 2010, 01:33:15 pm
I used to laugh about the no-planers until I saw the video of the plane going THROUGH the second tower. Now I'm just not sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLi4-fxaO0

The video footage seem faked. It does not mean that no planes were involved of course, but it does mean they were prepared to zoom in at the precise time the second plane came even if the smoke was hiding it and overlap the video of a plane and an explosion. Also, that live-footage only appeared once on television, they then cut the frames of the plane going through the building in all subsequent broadcasts of the video.

For the Illuminati it was quite a success, 10 years later and still justifying a century of public oppression, spying, fascism, economic destruction and war.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Georgiacopguy on June 25, 2010, 02:03:59 pm
I am still reviewing the things you've put forth, I haven’t given up on you yet. I will say you may have a viable theory, however each segment of evidence should be stand alone,  on it's own merit. If you start cherry picking parts of the overall picture in order to tell your story of the evidence, then you aren't being true to the evidence. I can go into a scene where a husband lives with his wife, and where the wife has been killed. I can then start cherry picking the evidence to  show that at some point he was in the room, therefore he must have been the murderer, but is that true to the evidence? So when I look at a single piece of evidence, I expect it to tell me a story, and yes, at some point, it needs to coincide and corroborate the rest of the evidence. But it needs to tell me an initial story.

Back to the burned vehicles with paper nearby as our example.  A rule of evidence, as I've pointed out recently, is that it is controlled in a chain of custody, and that it is not tainted by an outside source. However, in this instance, paper is the mysterious culprit that may have tainted your evidence. There was paper drifting about for weeks at that site, so the existence of paper at the scene does not necessarily mean there was paper there at the time of the fire, even though there very well may have been, and most certainly was, and it was already burned by the time the burned hulk of a vehicle was photographed. So already, that part of the evidence is questionable because there is no way at all to qualify that that paper was present at the time the vehicle burned, or as you believe was transmuted or melted.  I could go to a murder scene, go to the kitchen, and pick up a knife out of the butcher block, and proclaim it the murder weapon. The fact that it was in the kitchen is logical, its existence within the crime scene a mere coincidence. It's relevance as evidence, questionable at best. UNLESS blood evidence dictated that it was in fact the weapon, or fingerprints, or DNA evidence, or there is video of the suspect killing with that knife then going room to room to deposit that knife in the butcher block again. Now, if we take that very same knife, and let twenty people handle it, suddenly, it’s position as untainted evidence is questionable. Questionable evidence raises doubt, and doubt is usually used to throw out evidence. As far as the car being tossed about; there were a lot of forces at work that day, and it would be an injustice to the evidence itself to say they were thrown about ONLY due  to compressed air columns from a building pan caking in its own footprint. Some may have been moved or displaced due to debris, boulder sized debris, air, no telling. It’s hard to look at every possibility because there really isn’t a body farm where they experiment on what happens when buildings collapse in their footprint. But I do not see evidence that suggests they were levitated or thrown about by magnetic force. That would be an assumption based solely on what has been experienced within a laboratory, not based on scientific study of the vehicles, and the metals, and whether there was magnetic changes in its polarity, structure, or ferrite tendencies.

We just may not ever  agree on that video that you’ve posted, because I know what I see, and you know what you see. However, when looking at evidence, YOU need to be specifically wary of HOW you interpret it, because you are close to the theory, and want it to be true, therefore you are far more likely to see within the evidence what you want to see and interpret. Just a polite admonition from an experienced investigator.And finally, I would suggest that just because Dr. Wood poses an interesting question, theory, or interesting point, it does not become evidence, it strictly defines what may be evident if the evidence presents itself.  But as I said, I’m still reading and watching.



There may be some truth in this.  It's an unfortunate consequence of having to deal with the kind of idiotic and pathetic behaviour seen all over this thread, as well as repeated intellectual dishonesty.  I'm sure you've seen some of it.

When you put all the evidence together, it is conclusive.

When you extract single pieces of evidence, then yes, you can use some of the single pieces of evidence to support alternative theories, which can be rejected when all of the evidence is taken into account.

Obviously you have to study the evidence properly, as opposed to pretending that it doesn't exist.  (I'm not referring to you here.)  There is a two-part lecture, for example, that really needs to be part of any serious attempt to understand Dr Wood's work:

9/11-The New Hiroshima-Pt 1 (Re-edit) - Dr Judy Wood, Madison, Aug 2007 (50mins)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7892004186194307613#
9/11 - The New Hiroshima - Part 2 - Dr Judy Wood, Madison, Aug 2007 (Re-Edit) (1hr 33mins)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6714196008143117547#

There are many important points made and questions asked in this presentation.  If people choose to watch the videos and then simply ignore all of the points and questions, then they might as well not have watched it in the first place.

There are also various other presentations and interviews on Dr Wood's website (http://www.drjudywood.com).

There is other evidence which shows that it is not a simple case of normal fires e.g. vehicles that were badly burned in the same place that paper was not burned at all.

If you look at all of the examples of cars being "thrown about" and conclude that they were all lifted and moved by displaced air, then I would have to conclude that you are not being serious about your interpretation of the evidence.

9/11 happened 9 years ago.  There's nothing anybody can do about that.

No, that isn't true.  The steel can clearly be seen turning to dust.
I'm not going to argue with you over what happens in video footage.  If you disagree, you disagree.  But I can see steel being turned to dust, very clearly, and not just in that single video clip.

So long as people are dishonest about the evidence, the evidence will make no difference to them and their pre-existing beliefs.

And as long as there is an organised "truth movement" telling people how to think, there will always be people thinking in exactly that way, whether or not the evidence proves them wrong, and whether or not their own beliefs contradict themselves (Orwell's doublethink).

Anyone who is willing to study Dr Wood's work and analyse it objectively for themselves is free to do so, whatever the "truth movement" tells them to think.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on June 25, 2010, 03:29:10 pm
I used to laugh about the no-planers until I saw the video of the plane going THROUGH the second tower. Now I'm just not sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLi4-fxaO0

The video footage seem faked. It does not mean that no planes were involved of course, but it does mean they were prepared to zoom in at the precise time the second plane came even if the smoke was hiding it and overlap the video of a plane and an explosion. Also, that live-footage only appeared once on television, they then cut the frames of the plane going through the building in all subsequent broadcasts of the video.

For the Illuminati it was quite a success, 10 years later and still justifying a century of public oppression, spying, fascism, economic destruction and war.

We all used to laugh about the no planers... and now we all laugh about you too. That video as proof for no planes has been debunked in this thread I guess several times. That stupid nose in nose out garbage again. You cant use footage from the internet for anything! Especially when its a very small dot of a plane behind smoke. If you know a bit about video codecs you know that small objects in an area of smoke, mist, etc will completely get swallowed up. Now if you look at the original footage meaning a uncompressed footage you should be able to see a plane approaching. They saw it too... thats why they zoomed in. And the nose out... its debris... the plane enters the tower, gets shredded up and pushes all the stuff it encounters with it until it comes out of the other side. If the plane would have been out of water it would looked the same.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Xill on June 25, 2010, 03:48:57 pm
We all used to laugh about the no planers... and now we all laugh about you too. That video as proof for no planes has been debunked in this thread I guess several times. That stupid nose in nose out garbage again. You cant use footage from the internet for anything! Especially when its a very small dot of a plane behind smoke. If you know a bit about video codecs you know that small objects in an area of smoke, mist, etc will completely get swallowed up. Now if you look at the original footage meaning a uncompressed footage you should be able to see a plane approaching. They saw it too... thats why they zoomed in. And the nose out... its debris... the plane enters the tower, gets shredded up and pushes all the stuff it encounters with it until it comes out of the other side. If the plane would have been out of water it would looked the same.

I'm not a no planer and never said it proved anything. I never jump to conclusion when important key information is missing.

There is no existing HD footage of this. If there is please give me the link, it's not like my mind is closed to the idea the cameraman may have seen it - that is beside the main point anyway:

The nose out is certainly not debris. On this you are totally in the wrong. It is clearly the nose of the plane and those frames have been cut from subsequent broadcast, that is a fact.

Like I said numerous times, it does not make me a no-planer, I believe the planes were remote-controled. At that speed the nose could perhaps have gone through the building if placed properly.

None of that matter anymore, your country is already bankrupt and the American currency is dead, as written almost word for word in the G20 documents available on their website.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: matrixcutter on June 25, 2010, 06:47:58 pm
I will say you may have a viable theory,
Let's nip this in the bud, it isn't my work.  It is the work of Dr Wood (http://www.drjudywood.com/), using the work of  John Hutchison (http://johnkhutchison.blogspot.com/) (as in the Hutchison Effect (http://www.thehutchisoneffect.com/)) to confirm the relevant observations.  And Andrew Johnson (http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/) has supported her work and written various explanatory articles and has been interviewed several times, including with Dr Wood.

And it isn't really a theory, it's just a case of observing the data, thoroughly.


however each segment of evidence should be stand alone,  on it's own merit. If you start cherry picking parts of the overall picture in order to tell your story of the evidence, then you aren't being true to the evidence. I can go into a scene where a husband lives with his wife, and where the wife has been killed. I can then start cherry picking the evidence to  show that at some point he was in the room, therefore he must have been the murderer, but is that true to the evidence? So when I look at a single piece of evidence, I expect it to tell me a story, and yes, at some point, it needs to coincide and corroborate the rest of the evidence. But it needs to tell me an initial story.
I'm not willing to play these games.  You suggested that some of the evidence might support alternative theories, and I'm saying that it might do, but only if you ignore the rest of the evidence, which disproves those other theories (at least the ones that I already know about).  It isn't any more complicated than that, and it doesn't need to be twisted with irrelevant hypothetical scenarios.

Basically, in your example, if there was evidence which proves the husband's innocence then this proves wrong the theory that he murdered his wife, no matter how many pieces of evidence there originally were supporting the theory that he was guilty, or who put them there, or how, or when.

I don't know how you would incorporate the geo-political significance of 9/11 and the slick propaganda machines of the mainstream and alternative medias into your analogy.


Back to the burned vehicles with paper nearby as our example.  A rule of evidence, as I've pointed out recently, is that it is controlled in a chain of custody, and that it is not tainted by an outside source. However, in this instance, paper is the mysterious culprit that may have tainted your evidence. There was paper drifting about for weeks at that site, so the existence of paper at the scene does not necessarily mean there was paper there at the time of the fire, even though there very well may have been, and most certainly was, and it was already burned by the time the burned hulk of a vehicle was photographed. So already, that part of the evidence is questionable because there is no way at all to qualify that that paper was present at the time the vehicle burned,
I don't know which pictures you are talking about.  It would help if you could post specific pictures that you have a problem with on this thread, explain what you believe them to show, and explore whether or not that is different from what Dr Wood's evidence shows.

There are also pictures of cars for example which look badly burned at one end yet they are completely unaffected at the other end.


As far as the car being tossed about; there were a lot of forces at work that day, and it would be an injustice to the evidence itself to say they were thrown about ONLY due  to compressed air columns from a building pan caking in its own footprint.
Yes, that would be ridiculous even if it were true that buildings pancaked into their own footprints, which they did not.


Some may have been moved or displaced due to debris, boulder sized debris, air, no telling. It’s hard to look at every possibility because there really isn’t a body farm where they experiment on what happens when buildings collapse in their footprint.
Can you explain the physics behind the idea of boulder-sized debris falling, and lifting nearby stationary cars into the air and moving them several feet in the process?

The most obvious reason that there was no pancake collapse was the lack of pancakes after the buildings went away, as opposed to collapsed.


But I do not see evidence that suggests they were levitated or thrown about by magnetic force.
Then you haven't finished looking through the evidence, as you have admitted.


That would be an assumption based solely on what has been experienced within a laboratory,
No it isn't, as you will know when (or if) you watch the videos I posted earlier:

9/11-The New Hiroshima-Pt 1 (Re-edit) - Dr Judy Wood, Madison, Aug 2007 (50mins)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7892004186194307613#
9/11 - The New Hiroshima - Part 2 - Dr Judy Wood, Madison, Aug 2007 (Re-Edit) (1hr 33mins)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6714196008143117547#


not based on scientific study of the vehicles, and the metals, and whether there was magnetic changes in its polarity, structure, or ferrite tendencies.
Basically, you seem to going out of your way to find reasons to reject the pieces of evidence that you don't want to accept, for whatever reason.  Sometimes it makes sense and sometimes it doesn't, but then you haven't really studied it yet, so it's understandable.


We just may not ever  agree on that video that you’ve posted, because I know what I see, and you know what you see. However, when looking at evidence, YOU need to be specifically wary of HOW you interpret it, because you are close to the theory,
I'm not close to these observations in the way that it sounds like you are suggesting.  Either way thousands of people died and hundreds of thousands of more died because of the lies that were told about 9/11.  And even people who understand all that are still being suckered by the next layer of lies, which has been implemented with an admirable level of organisation and expertise.


and want it to be true,
It is true, whether I want it to be true or not.  These red herrings don't help anyone.


therefore you are far more likely to see within the evidence what you want to see and interpret.
Does this also apply to everyone else too, or just me?


Just a polite admonition from an experienced investigator.
Well thanks, but my feelings are not getting in the way.  I know what evidence I have actually bothered to study, and if people want to reject all of it without studying it themselves then that's just what they'll do.  I'm only really interested in communicating with people who are willing to study the evidence properly, and objectively, as opposed to continually being dishonest and even pretending that it isn't even there.


And finally, I would suggest that just because Dr. Wood poses an interesting question, theory, or interesting point, it does not become evidence, it strictly defines what may be evident if the evidence presents itself.
The important points I was referring to are points about the evidence, and the questions are generally the obvious questions raised by these different pieces of evidence.


But as I said, I’m still reading and watching.
Indeed.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: attietewd on August 06, 2010, 03:24:42 pm
Quote
Mysterious Ball Object Seen Flying Over WTC on 9/11 Part 1 - New Uncovered Footage

part one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShbY0Oa-6v8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShbY0Oa-6v8)

part two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiwBo7gz2C0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiwBo7gz2C0)

Very interesting.  I had noticed this ball before and wondered why no one professionally spoke on it sooner.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: attietewd on August 06, 2010, 10:15:56 pm
How come everytime someone posts new info, or different info that doesn't exactly fit with the MSM intitial footage of "planes" flying into buildings it gets put in the disinfo thread?  Since when has the main stream media been so keen on getting the truth out?  If the main stream media says "planes, absolutely planes" then I start wondering whats the real truth?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: mr anderson on August 07, 2010, 01:03:33 am
How come everytime someone posts new info, or different info that doesn't exactly fit with the MSM intitial footage of "planes" flying into buildings it gets put in the disinfo thread?  Since when has the main stream media been so keen on getting the truth out?  If the main stream media says "planes, absolutely planes" then I start wondering whats the real truth?

Simply because there are eye-witnesses, hundreds in New York that heard, saw and felt two planes hit the trade towers.

The No Planes B/S is just a joke and even the debunkers I feel don't go down that avenue, it's never been a serious avenue of contention on either side for or against the official story.

When delusional cointelpro provocateurs like NicoHaupt and PaulaGloria says "Planes, no planes?!!!!" and dress up in lizard outfits, then I start wondering what's the real truth (& they are not it, they are meant to cause division & disinformation. They get paid very well  :P ::)).
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on August 07, 2010, 02:15:16 am
Hah hilarious! That guy has a science background and worked on nuclear plants and what not but still so stupid to fall for the september clues crap. He has no idea of camera angles, lenses, video compression and so on. And the debunkers never bothered much with that garbage is because its so obvious that noone wants to waste time with it.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Wormsaregood on August 09, 2010, 02:35:07 am
Hello,


I'm writing because I find myself very troubled by the "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" and "Screw Loose Change" videos.  I have watched multiple 9/11 documentaries, including those produced by Alex Jones.  I've reviewed many of the materials contained in these videos, most specifically 9/11 Revisited (which in my opinion is the best, because it requires no narration, just interpretation)  and I've seen the usual back and forth between truthers and those people who call them "conspiracy nutjobs."

However, after going halfway through 9/11 Mysteries and then changing computers, I ran the "9/11 Mysteries" search into google videos to continue my browsing and to my surprise I ran across "Screw 9/11 Mysteries"  I didn't watch it in its entirety but I did go through quite a few parts to see his commentary on some of the events.  Some of the things he says are obviously narrow minded and require distrust in your average citizen/witness.  For instance:  If a witness says they heard an explosion, it makes sense to take the witness at their word, considering we were not there.  Obviously they COULD be using the word "explosion" to mean something other than "bomb" and people do use the word explosion to mean "loud noises", however this does not automatically disprove anything and the author admits that.  Therefore, pointing this out was a childish attempt by the author to discredit a witness based upon conjecture and put a certain idea in the viewers minds.  However, he does have some points that I actually can't be sure about.

What worries me is that...he has succeeded in watering the seeds of doubt within my own mind, which is precisely what he was trying to accomplish.  What worries me more is that the only response by 9/11 Mysteries to the video rebuttal is this

"We have been repeatedly asked if we intend to rebut the recent production entitled "Screw 911 Mysteries - Clunkety-Clunk Edition."  This is our response:  A Major Republican who donated $100,000 to George W. Bush recently tried our suggestion.  In his hotel room, using a stopwatch, he said "clunkety-clunk" 110 times.  It took him over three minutes.  Ten seconds vs. three minutes.  You decide.

(To [loosely] quote the filmmaker on the 12-2-06 Kevin Barrett show: "The buildings came down in 10 seconds.  A pancake collapse would have been 110 floors falling one by one, all the way down.  Clunkety-clunk.  Try saying the words.  "Clunkety-clunk" 110 times.  You couldn't even say that in 10 seconds.")"

I'm sure most of you have seen this before.  I'm not entirely sure what this is about, so if someone could explain it to me I would greatly appreciate it.

At any rate, do the authors of the movie believe that the claims made by "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" destroy themselves?  Has anyone even attempted to write a rebuttal to the rebuttal?

I honestly don't enjoy the feeling of new doubt creeping into my mind, but part of being an informed citizen and not a "sheep" involves me being open to the idea that my feelings may have been wrong. 

I would GREATLY appreciate any and all resources, opinions, or anything else I could use to squash these doubts rolling around in my head.


Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on August 09, 2010, 05:22:55 am
911 mysteries and loose change second edition are quite old and many of the arguments are old claims which have been 'debunked'. The final cut and American Coup do not have an SLC equivalent because they are undebunkable.

If you are concerned by the debunkers... go here...

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com

That site, which I contribute to, will cure you lol.

And this post will expose how full of shit they are with regards to the nanothermite...

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2010/04/thermite-denial-year-in-review.html
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Wormsaregood on August 09, 2010, 05:35:51 am
Great! thanks. I'll check these out!

Any idea how up to date the information is in "9/11: In Plane Sight"?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on August 09, 2010, 04:20:32 pm
The 9/11 debunkers are so full of shit it's not even funny. They make fun of us for comparing the WTC fires to other skyscraper fires which didn't result in a collapse by arguing that those buldings were structurally different from the WTC so no comparison can be made. Meanwhile they cite some badly constructed toy factory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MRSr1MnFuk) or some small university building (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaK5YVVaRCo#at=44) as examples of buildings that collapsed due to fire.

So 30 to 60 story steel framed skyscrapers = bad comparison, small toy factory = good comparison! - makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Wormsaregood on August 09, 2010, 04:28:34 pm
I'm not sure why my post is here ;(  Do the mods think i'm a disinfo agent or something? lol.  I appreciate the answers Scootle.

As for the mods, I'm not saying I didn't still believe in what I saw, merely that when I do get challenged, it irks me until I can come up with a reasonable response. If I CANT find one, I start to worry.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Scootle on August 09, 2010, 04:31:08 pm
it might be coz u mentioned in plane site.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Wormsaregood on August 09, 2010, 04:56:43 pm
Oh... haha.  I hadn't watched it.  I was actually just going through the list in the video section with all of the massive amounts of downloads and going through them one by one and watching em. x_x  Had no idea that there would be disinfo movies there waiting for me..  In Plane Sight...off the list. haha
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Wormsaregood on August 11, 2010, 06:38:41 pm
Hey everyone,


Another question from me today ;p.


I heard that James Fetzer and Steven Jones parted ways due to Fetzer's acceptance of some rather controversial methods for the WTC destruction. 

How does the community here at large feel about either of these two men?  I'm ASSUMING that we've "sided" with Jones over Fetzer, but I have no real idea.  Perhaps we accept them both.

Anyone have any input? thanks
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: themadness on August 24, 2010, 09:41:53 am
Dimitri A. Khalezov  supplies the idea that wtc demolition was an underground nuke. i just heard of this today and he makes some good points. can someone else who has heard about this elaborate a little more. here is a vid of an interview, his english struggles a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSV6k7VZu-k&feature=related

sorry if this is old news, but its new to me and the Prison Planet Forum search didnt bring anything up about khalezov
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Finchie on August 24, 2010, 05:47:49 pm
This has been debunked by Prof. Steven Jones. See

http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters.html
 or the direct link
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/a/Hard-Evidence-Rebudiates-the-Hypothesis-that-Mini-Nukes-were-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on September 09, 2010, 09:42:52 pm
Don't even know who Fetzer was or what the dispute is.  Can you fill us in?  Yeah, so far, Jones is the man, IMO.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Hawkwind on September 11, 2010, 01:40:14 am
i still think that dust not only had asbestos in it but also nuclear fallout from the tac nukes placed in the basement
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: EvadingGrid on September 11, 2010, 07:57:28 am
i still think that dust not only had asbestos in it but also nuclear fallout from the tac nukes placed in the basement

ROFL
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on September 11, 2010, 08:39:46 am
HAH... ROFL indeed. Yeah nuclear fallout yeah right... since we all know how high the radiation was back then from all the mininukes.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: larsonstdoc on September 11, 2010, 10:02:52 am



  900 Responders have died--there had to be a series of mini nukes in the towers--radiation kills.  Is there any data on cause of death--cancer, etc.?
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Dig on September 11, 2010, 10:45:09 am
please do not hijack threads into mininuke cointelpro BS crapola.

if your ineffable insatiation to promote Judge Judy's claims overwhelmes you, post it here.

thanks
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on September 11, 2010, 05:23:41 pm
Judge Judy?

But I agree, "No nukes."

Asbestos kills, too, right.  How much might have been in those towers?  And how much other toxic crap in the smoke from the fires?

And if the PTB were willing to sacrifice 3,000 people that day to further their aims, what's another 900 first-responders, if they felt they needed to hush them up?

911 wasn't cheap, I'm sure.

Silverstein had to be paid, for one.  The people who paid him knew what a ripoff it was.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Wormsaregood on September 11, 2010, 09:56:36 pm
Don't even know who Fetzer was or what the dispute is.  Can you fill us in?  Yeah, so far, Jones is the man, IMO.

Fetzer I guess was one of the co-creators of Engineers for 9/11 truth or something like that, then they got into an argument and split up
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on September 12, 2010, 03:28:40 am
But over what?  That's what I don't get?  Not sure what the controversy is supposed to be.  Mildly curious as to what these engineers would be arguing about though.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Letsbereal on September 12, 2010, 07:55:27 pm
Thierry Meyssan is not credible at all. He claimed Mike Walter witnessed a missile hitting the pentagon. No, Mike Walter witnessed an airliner hitting the pentagon and used the missile as a metaphor. See the unedited clip here...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1jqaz_pentagon-eyewitness-mike-walter_news

Many people watched an airliner crash into the pentagon. The gov article is mostley correct....except the part highlighted in red. See how they throw all the BS in with something true? They want us saying a missile hit, or the plane flew over and "fooled everyone"  ::) or any other BS that can be debunked and then shown that 9-11 truthers are "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists that can't get anything right, so why believe them?"

That's just another example of how the no plane at the pentagon hoax is used. Planes flew into buildings on 9-11, don't fall for the no plane hoaxes.

Some people who actually witnessed some sort of aircraft flying into the pentagon talk about a very small plane and one witness thought he saw some sort of Business Jet.

If you look at this Boeing Cruise Missile pictures (below) it's easy to understand why somebody who never saw this kind of Cruise Missile before could easily mistaken this for some business jet.

Cruise Missiles were almost from the beginning designed to fly at very low altitudes to avoid enemy radar contact.

This explains why this Missile could be flown so acurately trough a window in the Pentagon without even a scratch on the lawn right in front of the impact zone of the Pentagon.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/youricarma/NineOneOne/Snark038.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/youricarma/NineOneOne/Snark032.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/youricarma/NineOneOne/Pentagon033.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/youricarma/NineOneOne/Pentagon032.jpg)

9/11 Shanksville Eyewitness Susan McElwain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on September 12, 2010, 08:02:22 pm
'Fore!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on September 13, 2010, 02:02:08 am
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/Prison Planet Foruminal.html

Sadly the larger versions of the pictures are offline. But thats quite alot of aluminum for a cruise missle. Also I didnt know cruise missles carried luggage.

And looky looky here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBaU0vwP-o

Totally awesomeness. I could watch that all day. I can see how it must be absolutely impossible for a plane to fly fast and low enough to crash into the pentagon without touching the ground first especially when remotely controlled and guided by an advanced system.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Tsul777 on September 13, 2010, 03:23:58 am
From what I've gathered after hearing or watching just about everything to do with the pentagon incident, my theory is thus:

Yes a plane did hit that building on 911 but it wasn't a passenger jet. It was one of these:
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2553/lastskywarrior.jpg)

0800 - Jan. 15, 2010

A REPORT FROM MIKE GLENN ON THE GROUND AT EDWARDS
 
I got a call Monday from Ron Woltman, the Raytheon pilot who is coordinating the A3's.  He received an email from Ken Ballard at NAVAIR telling him to give the "Edwards Project" any parts and tools they need.  As far as Ron is concerned, this is sufficient to go forward with us picking up the parts.  Caution is still that all parts have to be carefully accounted for including any replaced on the airframe, and we have agreed to that.

He also advised that they were doing the final prep for cutting up 144841 at Mojave, Raytheon had guys there defueling and removing selected parts, but everything else on the airplane is fair game for us.

http://a3skywarrior.com/index.php?nid=100111&s=ms&grpid=6055&grpDetails=true

(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5016/a3woff.jpg)
http://a3skywarrior.com/index.php?nid=101206&s=rs

(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2084/prattw.jpg)
Now why would Raytheon be so interested in this good guy restoration project they got going on here?
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2294/a3variant.jpg)
http://www.air-and-space.com/skywarrior.htm
They're are many variants of this aircraft and as you can see by this Raytheon product, might be mistaken for a passenger jet at high speed if you only caught a glimpse.
These have been around since the sixties and I imagine could be remotely controlled. They've had lots of time to fuck with them.
This particular one was built for Hughes Aircraft by Raytheon. Now what psyop was that used for?

My guess (and that's all anyone's is except the bastards behind it) is that we will probably never know until footage is released of that crazy, cooked up day. The world won't believe any single theory until they see it on TV unfortunately. We here are all guilty of the same but that's OK. It just makes us dig deeper and try to find that nugget that keeps us coming back. Thank you Prison Planet Forum for giving me so many new ideas and possibilities!!
Well, I've said my piece so let the debunking fly!
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on September 13, 2010, 03:34:00 am
I forgot how much I missed this thread  -- no fooling.

Iks, it doesn't matter how experienced the pilots or computers are at that altitude.  Suction alone at that height would drive the plane rigt into the ground before hitting the building according to the aviation experts.  It is an engineering problem -- not a mere problem of steering/controlling the plane -- if it indeed was a jetliner.

Again everything points here to a missile or another kind of plane.

Tsul at least is offering one plausible possibility IMO.

The impact also doesn't seem to correspond to a jetliner in terms of overall area or point of impact.

I'm still willing to look a the eveidence on the other side, and I do see some problems both ways, but I'm still on the fence at best about this one:  the jetliner at the Pentagon.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: Tsul777 on September 13, 2010, 03:52:32 am
I forgot how much I missed this thread  -- no fooling.

Iks, it doesn't matter how experienced the pilots or computers are at that altitude.  Suction alone at that height would drive the plane rigt into the ground before hitting the building according to the aviation experts.  It is an engineering problem -- not a mere problem of steering/controlling the plane -- if it indeed was a jetliner.

Again everything points here to a missile or another kind of plane.

Tsul at least is offering one plausible possibility IMO.

The impact also doesn't seem to correspond to a jetliner in terms of overall area or point of impact.

I'm still willing to look a the eveidence on the other side, and I do see some problems both ways, but I'm still on the fence at best about this one:  the jetliner at the Pentagon.

Thank you for that CX. I'm actually sittin' on the fence about the whole darn thing myself but the more possibilities we offer, we get even more information back in the long run. Webs on webs man! Somehow, some way, all this will bite Rummy's butt one day. Not to mention a few other undesirables.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: iks83 on September 13, 2010, 05:40:29 am
Iks, it doesn't matter how experienced the pilots or computers are at that altitude.  Suction alone at that height would drive the plane right into the ground before hitting the building according to the aviation experts.  It is an engineering problem -- not a mere problem of steering/controlling the plane -- if it indeed was a jetliner.

Again everything points here to a missile or another kind of plane.

What do you mean? LOOK HERE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBaU0vwP-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBaU0vwP-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBaU0vwP-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBaU0vwP-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBaU0vwP-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBaU0vwP-o

DO YOU SEE ANY SUCTION THERE?!?!! whatever suction is. I don't care what those damn aviation "experts" are saying just as I don't care what the "experts" from Popular Mechanics are saying. You have a huge plane flying at high speed at very low altitude... see the plane in the video? See the high speed? See the low altitude? I don't see how a building in its fly path suddenly activates suction. And at mass at that speed the lamp posts wont change anything either. Also if you account for the lens at that checkpoint from where the explosion was filmed, whatever has been there it fits to a large passanger plane and not some small plane or a missile.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: citizenx on September 13, 2010, 06:00:26 am
It's not the building, it's the ground.  And you can't tell the speed of the plane flying from the video.  That makes a huge difference.  This is hardly irrefutable scientific evidence.

The suction is basically caused by Bernoulli's principle, the action of the wing to force air to go around the wing in such a way as to create lift.  This causes suction under the wing -- not normally a problem unless it is travelling very fast as the plane was supposed to have traveled and very close to the ground (below the level of the lampposts ostensibly) for some distance.

And no, iks, it is not Pop Sci saying this -- they still believe in the 19 Arabs with boxcutters theory.

I looked at your evidence, I'll lay out some for you, but others have done so rather amply previously in the thread IMO.
Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: jimd3100 on September 13, 2010, 05:17:13 pm
All planes land. In order to land the plane must descend. The plane at the pentagon was still descending when it went into the first floor of the pentagon. In other words it landed into the first floor of the pentagon. All planes land. Even big planes. Plane parts were recovered. The plane parts were from a passenger jet. Luggage was recovered along with dead bodies. There are lots of witnesses, and lots of plane parts recovered. It all adds up to a passenger jet. What a coincidence. There is a missing passenger jet. I wonder what happened to it? Perhaps it crashed into the pentagon?

What is the insistence on ignoring all this? What is the reason?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmMBS9xoctQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HBjxYrhI4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PTRsuRao7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIJSXow0p0U
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/news/watch/v20425720n8rxQhzj

http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-photos.html

Despite the destructive fire that raged inside the impact area on 9/11, pieces of debris were visible on 9/13 and 9/14, and were photographed by recovery workers. These photos clearly show pieces of landing gears, a large turbofan engine, and fuselage. The evidence inside the building is consistent with the evidence of plane wreckage outside -- indicating that a commercial airliner flew into the Pentagon on September 11th.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

Where is the luggage and passengers? When you go on a family vacation, you might strap luggage to the roof of your car. When you fly on a plane they don't strap luggage on the roof of the plane, or on the wings. They put it in the cargo hold. The cargo hold is in the plane. If the plane went into the building it would be in the building. Perhaps someone should talk to the rescue workers who went into the pentagon and cleaned up the mess. Perhaps someone did. They name the names and give their story in this book. It is a book "truthers" wont read because allot of "truthers" are more interested in their "conspiracy theories" than the truth. Can you think of a reason why truthers are called "conspiracy theorists"? I just gave the reason.


http://www.amazon.com/Firefight-Inside-Battle-Save-Pentagon/dp/0891419055



Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: verita5 on September 15, 2010, 02:54:25 pm
Truth and the Twin Towers - Both Bite the Dust (http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_61147.shtml)
By Cathy Garger
Axis of Logic exclusive
Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010

Dedicated to the angels with beautiful hearts and clipped wings, the emergency responders who toiled for days, giving their very lives - quite literally - often suffering debilitating diseases and disorders, dying slow and painful deaths for doing nothing more than trying to save the lives of 3,000... lives that had, for the most part, already been vaporized into fine dust.

The Beginning of Enlightenment

Unless you're a reptile or psychopath totally devoid of conscience, I'll bet anything that September 11 is an anniversary you're unlikely to ever forget. Much like a soldier with PTSD, horrible images and gut-wrenching visuals come flooding back. And on these anniversaries, endless, horrendous freeze-frame pictures and video scenes playing flash back movies of real life horror scenes incessantly bombard our minds.

The single most horrific event imaginable took place nine years ago today and the nightmare was repeated so many times that, in our deepest recesses of brain functioning, the tragic memories will never leave us. These very images from the Big Apple were used to perpetuate wars without end in endless carnage and death-by-internal radiation poisoning upon entire populations - invasions, occupations, and genocide... waged against fabricated "terrorist", "radical" or "insurgent" enemy groups wherever natural resources - goodies-to-be-coveted by barbarians hiding between the red, white, and blue - have been found.

Like soldiers who witness gut-wrenching horrors in battle, we, too, can count on being shell-shocked for the rest of our lives. By watching in full color the horrid beginning of a never-ending war on humanity, all of us who were 5 and older that particular September 11 are likely to be traumatized forever.

And if you're a bright person with a sharp, questioning mind, today you will watch with gut-wrenching disgust the news stations repeating the vile lies about cold-hearted Muslims who hate our freedoms. Thus, after nine years, no doubt you are sick and tired of the governments' lies... falsehoods repeated and reinforced regularly to cement the lies in our deepest level of consciousness.

And the controllers have mighty good help with this, as the media works hand in glove with those in power to ensure America never discovers what really happened.

For longer than I care to share, I was one of those trusting lemmings. But eventually, after smelling something foul in the "official" rendition of the events of September 11, I began researching that day in earnest. After watching Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, I became a LIHOP (Let it Happen On Purpose) disciple, and then, upon further study, moved to the far more disturbing MIHOP (Made It Happen On Purpose) with an even darker, macabre sense of reality beginning to set in. 

Soon thereafter, I became a member of the new Scholars for 9-11 Truth group. I did so hoping to work alongside others seeking to discover THE truth, THE definitive answer as to what exactly had pulverized two 110-story skyscrapers into little more than powdery dust. In an effort to absorb wisdom from so-called "experts," I followed every word out of the mouths of these degreed individuals. And, as I did not discover till much later, most of these scholarly "experts" just so happened to be "retired" federal employees.

Fascinating, isn't it, how these so-called 9-11 "experts" possess backgrounds in Army/Marine Intelligence, a weapons laboratory associated with the Department of [Advanced Fusion] Energy, Air Force space weapons, [directed energy weapons] plus a plasma and space engineering scientist [advanced energy technology] brought in later. These pillars of the 9-11 "Truth" community also included professors, an aged movie actor, and more than one "Man of God" as poster boys for Scientific Truth. Apparently, if you plan on creating a Movement designed to hide the weapon? It only makes sense to hire career men in these areas - all the better to sprinkle magic thermite dust all over the place to cover up the actual evidence.

Mind you, I did not recognize any of this initially as I'd never before even heard of the term "controlled opposition".

Over a couple of years, however, certain things became obvious to those of us beginning to sniff the explosive stench of "super-thermite". In essence, numbers of the curious and outraged grew, as an ever larger, more aware populace sought both answers and justice for the deaths of not just 3,000 in New York City, but rather, millions of innocents... including the deaths of Afghans and later, Iraqis, killed in the post-September 11 fabricated "War On Terror" via radioactive poison gas dispersed with gusto via NATO and US Uranium weapons.

So What's All This About Controlled Opposition?

Like other growing citizen movements from the 1960s to the present day, after a few years those running the show apparently deemed the ever-growing numbers of 9-11 truth and justice-seekers in need of some "management." The resulting operation, labeled the "9-11 Truth Movement", sprung up initially out of big cities like New York, spreading eventually to large metropolitan areas throughout the US and beyond.

Official 9-11 Truth meeting content, discussions, films, speaking events and actions were pretty much cut from a cookie cutter mold from city to city: Let's get a petition to the NY Attorney General's office demanding a real investigation. Let's wear our black t-shirts and stand at strategic street corners holding pre-printed 9-11 Truth signs. Let's stage a 9-11 March. Let's talk about put options and Larry Silverstein telling the firefighters to "pull" Building 7 (i.e. controlled demolition). Let's table wherever crowds are gathered, passing out materials and selling our sanctioned books, CDs, and bumper stickers. Let's discuss ad nauseum how 19 freedom-hating Arabs on suicide missions from Allah couldn't fly small Cessna planes [never mind Boeing passenger jets] and how a certain janitor reportedly heard explosions in the North tower.

Although the 9-11 Truth Movement shtick was changed a bit here and there to reflect occasional new developments, the bottom line was always that the [doctored] “Truth” Americans would hear would be uniform throughout the nation. And at "Truth" events from Vermont to Vancouver, you would always be greeted with a cordial handshake from a bright, articulate individual wearing a black t-shirt and a smile, eager to guide you into Official 9-11 Truth-dom.

And although I'm embarrassed to admit it now, like many 9-11 activists and researchers years ago? I, too, was once sucked right into the teachings of the "Truth Movement" operation without as much as a clue.

The Operation's Structure Becomes More Evident

It takes some time, but when one is paying enough attention, it eventually becomes obvious the "Truth Movement" is managed from the top, with a nationally organized central "Headquarters". Yes, a southern organizer one time "slipped" and used that word in referring to her 9-11 Truth organizational contact to whom she reported. Thus, the kind of headquarters we're talking about is not one you could visit, but rather... some sort of Spook Central with armed MPs out front.

No doubt, Truth Headquarters has a knack for selecting outgoing and inordinately bright and professional representatives and training them how to "guide" the 9-11 Outraged. With a slick, focused website and contact information for locations throughout the US, it's not hard to see this is a well-organized deal. After talking to several such contacts in different cities, the pattern became crystal clear. Eerily, regardless of which city, these black shirts chant the same mantras, deliver the same explanations, quote the same saviors, and posit the standard WTC destruction theory without a moment's hesitation. Why, from coast to coast, these contacts even send you the very same films, burned on homemade CDs, sometimes with stickers or a book if you're lucky - mailed to you - for free!

Great way to capture the Truth seekers' names and addresses, eh? Sure glad my tax monies go to fund such a worthy educational cause.

In fact, the more one meets these black-shirted organizers and authors of books filled with 9-11 lies, deception, and mis-direction, it becomes beyond obvious these minders of the Empire have a clear and specific agenda. In fact, once during a newly forming 9-11 Truth meeting, Webster Tarpley was talking to us on the speaker phone in the midst of Israel bombing the hell out of Lebanon. I later found it fascinating, at a 9-11 Truth event featuring a presentation by Tarpley centered around the fact that Cheney masterminded 9-11, (not dummy Dubya) that Tarpley's wife and the wife of the local Truth organizer were both sitting together, all close and chummy.

Lesson Number One: when your gut feels uneasy? Pay attention.

These 9-11 Truth conversations were nothing if not predictable. Without exception, no organizer would ever (as in never) venture to share other, alternative, thermite-free theories. One time, a group leader became more than a bit distressed when I kept trying to chat about other plausible (i.e., non-thermite) ideas. I can still recall the pained expression on his face when he tried his best to be patient and diplomatically agree with one of my points: "Yes, all that talk about missiles at the World Trade Center is a really interesting theory, sure, and I tend to personally believe it might be true. But..." (and then he moved towards me, and whispered, as if about to share some top secret insider knowledge) "if we talk about these things, we will lose credibility and hurt The Movement. So let's just try at first to stick to safe things - things people will understand."

I wish I had a dollar for every Truth agent who admonished us not to “hurt the Movement”. This slippery agent out of Miami brought condescension to a whole new level of low by implying that preserving “the Movement” is more important than discovering exactly what went down. Thoughts of Jack Nicholson in the courtroom sprang to mind as he bellowed at Tom Cruise: "You can't handle the truth!"

Preserving the single, unified "Movement" was THE primary mission with which they'd been tasked. Actual Truth, the honest discovery of what obliterated the twin towers as the goal, you say? Ha! In fact, the real goal of this professional op is Preservation-at-all-costs of the single-bullet (or, rather) single-thermite theory.

Behind the cordial facade at the Truth meetings and "expert" speakers' presentations? These guys (and gals) are downright brutal. In fact, those who refuse to tow the line and regurgitate the dogma of the Official 9-11 Truth "Movement" are publicly trashed and subject to a steady onslaught of character assassinations that follow one around the various yahoo groups, forums, and blogs. Posts authored by anyone daring to challenge the "Official 9-11 Truth" Gospel-According-to-Los Alamos are banned from blogs and ridiculed publicly, like public floggings in village squares centuries ago.

Unfortunately for the free-thinking, anyone who dares challenge the Darlings of the "Truth Movement" are routinely slammed, ridiculed, or labeled in some manner of lunatic-ization. Whether called a whack-o, traitor, or dis- or mis-information agent, the message is clear. If one holds a theory or provides evidence other than the doctrine of the "controlled demolition" operation, he or she is marginalized by more than a few goons... whose job duties are limited to slam dunking anyone who dares not keep sacrosanct the doctrines of the Almighty God and Savior of Thermite.

The Tidy Movement Begins to Unravel

Eventually, when bright minds started researching and publishing things that did not quite "fit" with the Official 9/11 Truth Movement's rendition of Truth, major drama ensued as the Scholars group was sharply divided into those who believe in Thermite and those who entertained other ideas. Those with other ideas were never mentioned on the national "Headquarters" organization website, for Thermite-only was their gospel.

But it wasn't until September 11, 2006 that bells and whistles started going off for me. For it was on that day I met Dr. Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds at a 9-11 "Truth" event in Washington, DC, along with “patriot” Colonel Robert Bowman (Ronald Reagan's Space Wars directed energy weapons guy). I introduced myself to Reynolds and Wood, but not without caution. I had read all over the Internet they were "dis-info" agents, so I approached them with reservation, curious to find out for myself why they had resigned from Scholars. After hearing how their research has been undermined, however, what I had been absorbing as Gospel Truth all suddenly started collapsing in rapid free-fall style.

After the meeting, I learned more in a few months than I had in years spent following the coat tails of the positioned "controlled demolition" experts. After examining more WTC pictures and those of controlled demolitions of other buildings, one thing became clear as the blue skies that September, 2001 morning: New York's majestic skyscrapers clearly did not merely explode a la controlled demolition, but rather, were somehow otherwise pulverized into a voluminous quantity of fine dust powder... quite unlike any known conventional demolition event that preceded it.

It soon became apparent that whoever was being attacked most "energetically" for the crime of possessing views other than 9-11 "group think" were the very researchers worth listening to.

Those who started speaking out about the "other ideas" camp and refused to swallow the thermite pill were courted for various purposes. Yet this time, it was easy to see how free thinkers were being set up to go on radio shows, initially glorified, only to be slammed later in the interview. Eventually, there was no denying this pattern. By comparison, those in the controlled demolition camp were afforded a slick PR machine, complete with frequent speaking opportunities, and TV, radio, films, and print media limelight.

The alternative researchers with "other ideas", however, remained in obscurity with no posse, no PR machine, and no funding.

Yet despite the relative anonymity of the independent researchers who have not yet exactly been catapulted into awareness of the general population? Rest assured... they, too, will one day have their day. All throughout history brilliant - albeit solitary - souls who dared hear the beat of a different drum were, at the time, made out to be as unstable, their theories or works declared inferior or unsound. Sadly, these researchers have been ridiculed mercilessly for their crime of thinking outside the box and challenging the Official 9/11 Truth Movement's approved theories. Now, as we all know, it is typically these very same free-thinkers, ostracized during their time, who were - and still are - centuries later seen as the true geniuses they actually are.

Let's not forget Vincent Van Gogh, the world renown artist, whose work was not valued nor appreciated in his day and sold only one of his paintings in his lifetime.

Coming to Grips

Getting to this place of waking up and smelling the stench of controlled opposition was not easy. It is difficult when we not only have to face head on the horrors of the perpetrators, but, too, the deceit of many in the opposition groups who posed as friends. Developing bonds with these characters can be painful when the truth behind their real mission eventually comes out. There are indeed a few such charlatans I let into my world, only to learn afterwards their concern about me was anything but benign.

Luckily, my antennae that tracks phonies finally sounded when two such "pals" were reluctant to share details about their families and lives, as friends typically do. And when one of them actually asked me outright for a written list of all my projects (so he could "get to know me better") my inner alarm started to sound. These betrayals were perhaps even more difficult to bear than learning that the POTUS and his shadowy backers had carried out the whole deal in order to manufacture justification ad garner support from Americans for the illegal invasion, destruction, radioactive poisoning, and theft of resources - and poppy income in the Middle East.

Admittedly, this inner work is not easy. Discovery of such horror is likely to put even the most chipper spirits in a mighty dark state of funk. And what was nearly impossible to come to terms with was trying to figure out what kind of monsters would commit the mass murder of thousands of their very own? And then I remembered my college courses in psychopathology.

What suckers we were to believe the lies of supposed "Truth!" Eventually we came to realize those with lofty careers in Intel do not leave their line of work only to retire as "whistle blowers" and "patriots"... exactly the same way that that advanced energy weapon scientists do not pursue such careers merely to spend the rest of their days pushing explosives and controlled demolition, such as the kind of "Truth" Dubya told us about the "operatives" who planted explosives in the towers.

I swear I'm not making this up. On September 15, 2006, President George W. Bush, in the Rose Garden at the White House told reporters at a press conference:

"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."

So as we can see, Americans generally have no clue that not only do those in power lie, but so, too, do those who pretend to rally against the liars in power. These charlatans who hide behind choirboy images and "patriot" personas are specially trained how to speak with forked tongue... taught to keep the actual truth at bay and bring to their knees anyone who dares think for herself.

Eventually it becomes quite apparent that those who, er, "used to" work in high places for the feds were the ones with one agenda and one agenda alone: they would explain their theories, attempt to fit some science around them, declare the single, definitive method used to fell the towers - and Voila! Mission Accomplished! But this was not being done solely by the usual "Movement" characters alone. Over time, others chimed in to tell us Yes! It was Generation IV nukes! Or, look the other way - It was definitively, positively the instrument played by angels up in Alaska!

Professional Truthers like to neatly wrap things up for us. Once a weapon is named, then we can all go back to sleep.

This Weapon? That Explosive? What the Hell Difference Does It Make?

If you say you know which precise weapon was used, you'd better have more than a theory and be able to provide some evidence, some proof of concept.

The difference with one independent researcher who split from our scholarly group, Dr. Judy Wood, for example, was that she presented evidence - in photos and words - leading us to consider the possibility that directed energy weaponry was used at the WTC. Note that Dr. Wood never stated which type of weapon was used. From her work we also learn why other methods were implausible to explain the pulverized dust. In essence, Dr. Wood presented evidence for us to consider, and simply asked the reader to open his own eyes and decide what happened for himself.

In addition, there were many other things (other than pulverization of the towers) upon which Dr. Wood and another researcher, Andrew Johnson, began to report on. These include fascinating experiments conducted by John Hutchison which demonstrated some proof of Nikola Tesla's concepts, making a clear case for certain types of advanced energy phenomena discovered at Ground Zero.

Then, there's spectacular intrigue and mystery reported on Dr. Wood's website that's better than anything out of Hollywood. It involves the not so little matter of a fusion scientist's murder - a fellow who dared dispute the Los Alamos Weapons Lab-trained head Truth Movement's fusion scientist's work. And then, too, is another murder - this one of a grad student who just so happened to have worked as Dr. Judy Wood's assistant in an experiment designed to debunk work of the Truth Movement's fusion scientist regarding the glowing of aluminum. Even more intriguing? This now dead student was the nephew of the fellow who replaced the murdered scientist as Editor of an advanced energy magazine.

Sometimes what goes along with manufactured “Truth” is anything but pretty.

Fascinating research has also been brought to us courtesy of Dr. Wood involving Hurricane Erin. Traveling up the Atlantic coast since September 1, 2001 and becoming closest to New York City's twin towers on September 11, 2001, Erin was tracked in an experiment conducted by NOAA (National Oceanic and Administrative Administration) and a NASA satellite "spacecraft"- outside the awareness of the American public.

Perhaps equally as fascinating? The Langley Research Center recorded Hurricane Erin taking a sharp turn away from the Big Apple, according to their experts at NASA's spy facility. Some may call this an amazing coincidence. Others may want to read about the various roles played by satellites. Hint: They can do more than track storms.

Someone please tell me this. Since when do the weather people ever fail to tell us when a hurricane is headed for the US coast? And when in the world have they ever failed to tell us when a hurricane is heading straight for the Big Apple, particularly since New York City is not exactly a place where hurricanes normally strike? And why is it that Dr. Judy Wood, an unpaid independent researcher, picked up on Erin - and the space experiment taking place that day in a satellite over the Atlantic off the NYC coast when no one on the morning TV news stations did?

All of these oddities, lies, and omissions surrounding the "Truth Movement" are indeed disturbing. And while some merely throw up their hands and say, "So what? Who cares if it was thermite - or nukes - or advanced energy weapons, for that matter? What difference does it make if we ever find out what method they used to obliterate the towers, as long as we know who done it?"

The answer, dear reader, is both simple and critical to understand. While explosives and mini-nukes have often been named as the smoking gun for the murder of not merely 3,000 but actually, the lives of millions in Afghanistan and Iraq... these methods can forever be conveniently attributed to "operatives" planting them in the towers. There are certain exotic weapons, however, that only those in power in one nation could have used while not alerting its own air defense. This precisely points the finger (and, most appropriately, our middle one) directly at one nation - and one nation alone.

The gig is now up and the perpetrators know it. They have proven already they will go to any means necessary... and by that, I do mean any means necessary to preserve the carefully orchestrated facade that individuals from other nations were responsible for the hits in the Big Apple.

Whatever you do, don't take my word for any of this. I did my homework and so you must, too. Review the resources below and decide for yourself. And if you’re disturbed by all this? Whatever you do, make some noise.

Could 9-11 be carried out again? To borrow a quote from one of the Movement's most beloved choirboys, "we've done it before and we will do it again if need be."

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Resources:

LIHOP and MIHOP courtesy of Nico Haupt

Reliable source of all things decent, honest, and true, President George W. Bush agrees with the Truth Movement that explosives were planted in the towers
http://merln.ndu.edu/archivepdf/terrorism/WH/20060915-2.pdf

Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Disintegrate?
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/why/why_indeed.html

Thermite Hypothesis - Consider the Science
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/scientific/JonesScientificMethod.html

Physical Effects and Pictures of Advanced Energy
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

The works of Andrew Johnson, Alternative Researcher with "other [good] ideas"
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms

Timeline: Fusion trashing, independent researchers, the 9-11 Movement's Advanced Energy Choirboy, and 2 murders
www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=162&Itemid=60

Dr. Judy Wood's Grad Student Science Researcher Murdered
http://michaelzebuhr.blogspot.com/2006/09/case-of-michael-zebuhrs-murder-intro.html

Murder of Cold Fusion Scientist Who Stood Up to Dr. Steven Jones
murder http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/JJ7.html

Learn more about Disinformation - What is it? How's it used?
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/disinfo.html

Thinking About 9-11, the Truth, and the Official Movement
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_27305.shtml

Really strange things about the WTC - Evidence of Directed Energy Weapon use
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam1.html

Research of Dr. Judy Wood and Michael Zebuhr (murdered grad student) on Glowing Aluminum
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/Aluminum_Glows.html
and http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/glowing.html

Hurricane Erin - Closest to WTC on 9-11 - Surprise Surprise!
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/index.html
and http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/goes/010911.erin.towers.gif
and www.spaceweather.ac.cn/publication/jgrs/2003/Geophysical_Research_Letters/2002GL016741.pdf

How to Spot a 9-11 Spook
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a/CG/spot_a_spook.html
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Cathy Garger is a freelance writer, organizer, and speaker who works to stop the continued obscene, eternal radiation poisoning of the planet. Living in the shadow of the national District of Crime, Cathy is constantly nauseated by the stench emanating from the nation’s capital during the Washington, DC, federal work week.

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Title: Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
Post by: verita5 on September 15, 2010, 02:56:39 pm
WTC Destruction and 9/11 Cover Up - Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson on TNS Radio - mp3 (http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Dr%20Judy%20Wood%20-%20Andrew%20Johnson%20-%20WTC%20Destruction%20and%20911%20Truth%20Movement%20Cover%20Up%20-%20TNS%20Radio%20-%2014%20Sep%202010.mp3)

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This is something of a Marathon - almost 2 hours and 40 mins....
 
http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/index.php?dir=&sort=date&order=desc
[14 September, 2010 - mp3 is near the top.  Several previous interviews are also archived here.]
 
We talk about the destruction of the towers, the Qui Tam Court Case and how the 9/11 "Truth" Movement has tried to keep the evidence covered up
 
Thanks to Simon, Steve and Angela for setting it up and spending time.

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The time has gone to address these issues, rather than simply dismissing them all with misleading smears and false statemen