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Title: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: hal 9000 on December 26, 2008, 03:27:24 pm
Yesterday I was standing in line at a local convenience store when the guy in front of me made some of the most outrageously uninformed claims I have ever heard. He boldly claimed that Iraq was given the "technology" to print our money back when they were our allies, and that they now have us over a barrel, or so to speak. The guy behind the counter, who he was addressing these ridiculous claims to, blithely listened to him prattle on, seemingly taking it all in without the slightest bit of discernment. I swear this guy actually said this. I didn't even bother to try and set him straight, or mention the fact that a private banking consortium controls our money system. What would be the use. The guy (and probably the guy behind the counter)  is too far gone. There is probably no hope for someone that brain washed.

Later that evening, I was at my sisters house. As usual, she was transfixed to the television, watching some asinine show on the History Channel about Revelation prophecies predicting the final clash of "God vs Satan". When I merely attempted to point out the shortcomings of the show, those shortcomings being the fact that at no time during the show was it mentioned that the only way for Satan to exert his power in this world is through actual flesh and blood men and their institutions, ie - Banking, Military, Governmental, Secret Societies, etc. she became visibly angered, and told me to shut up. She literally looked at me like I was some kind of pathetic nutcase, and told me how she didn't want to hear any of it. I dutifully closed my mouth, and said no more, while she re focused her attention to the talking box beside the wall.

It is a bit disquieting to have an inkling as to what is really going on, only to be surrounded by clueless people who don't know - or couldn't care less - about such things. They are quite happy in their willful ignorance, and will only attack you if you try and impart a little of the truth to them. The  great psychiatrist Carl Jung once said that true loneliness is not necessarily being in the absence of people, but in the inability to find others who care as deeply about the topics that are of burning interest to you. He wrote that at times he felt as if he had "fallen off the edge of the earth."  Does anyone else ever feel this way.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: LoreOnTerror on December 26, 2008, 03:31:16 pm
This quote about sums it up.

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men. "
Samuel Adams
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Geolibertarian on December 26, 2008, 03:31:43 pm
The  great psychiatrist Carl Jung once said that true loneliness is not necessarily being in the absence of people, but in the inability to find others who care as deeply about the topics that are of burning interest to you. He wrote that at times he felt as if he had "fallen off the edge of the earth."  Does anyone else ever feel this way.

Welcome to my nightmare.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Revolt426 on December 26, 2008, 03:34:24 pm
Welcome to my nightmare.
Isn't this the nightmare of every person who knows we are about to fall off the edge of a bottomless pit due to those who are in happy land.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Elvis on December 26, 2008, 03:41:43 pm
Welcome to my nightmare.

lol ... hey, you had your chance to take the red pill.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 03:44:13 pm
Isn't this the nightmare of every person who knows we are about to fall off the edge of a bottomless pit due to those who are in happy land.

Are you saying it's the braindead masses who are at fault?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Revolt426 on December 26, 2008, 03:45:41 pm
Are you saying it's the braindead masses who are at fault?
I am saying its the braindead masses who are making it a nightmare because they will not listen to anyone but the "Expert on television". Are you trying to say i am into Eugenics? :P
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: hal 9000 on December 26, 2008, 03:52:50 pm
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"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men.

That's a great quote. In my daily conversations with people, I try and work in a little of the truth. It is best to be subtle and not try to push people too hard, but most people seem to be so uninformed that they either don't want to hear a word of it, or that they simply can't comprehend what I am talking about. Other seem to know, deep down in their minds, that what I'm saying is basically true, but they don't want to go into it in any detail. After about a minute or so, they quickly change the subject back to more mundane topics such as football or the weather. At times I feel as if I am like some sort of religious fanatic who is proselytizing the unconverted. Why don't more people understand the gravity of what is happening? What will it take to finally wake them up and get interested in the really important things? Maybe they are just like the proverbial frog in the pot who never realizes that he is slowly being boiled alive.  


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Welcome to my nightmare.

Yes, it is akin to being in a nightmare, or a twilight zone episode. You know that there are many more out there who also know what is going on, but that those people are, like yourself, the exception. The vast majority are still living in the false matrix of mainstream "news media" and pop culture. It is very frustrating.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: larsonstdoc on December 26, 2008, 04:03:44 pm




    I have two neighbors that can't tell me the difference between millions and trillions and billions. 
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 04:05:44 pm
I am saying its the braindead masses who are making it a nightmare because they will not listen to anyone but the "Expert on television". Are you trying to say i am into Eugenics? :P

Gotcha, Are you?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 04:12:55 pm
That's a great quote. In my daily conversations with people, I try and work in a little of the truth. It is best to be subtle and not try to push people too hard, but most people seem to be so uninformed that they either don't want to hear a word of it, or that they simply can't comprehend what I am talking about. Other seem to know, deep down in their minds, that what I'm saying is basically true, but they don't want to go into it in any detail. After about a minute or so, they quickly change the subject back to more mundane topics such as football or the weather. At times I feel as if I am like some sort of religious fanatic who is proselytizing the unconverted. Why don't more people understand the gravity of what is happening? What will it take to finally wake them up and get interested in the really important things? Maybe they are just like the proverbial frog in the pot who never realizes that he is slowly being boiled alive.  


Yes, it is akin to being in a nightmare, or a twilight zone episode. You know that there are many more out there who also know what is going on, but that those people are, like yourself, the exception. The vast majority are still living in the false matrix of mainstream "news media" and pop culture. It is very frustrating.

Very good overview of the situation. They are in a trance and the mass media still controls that (the message), so the infowar is going to take a very long time. We must always defend liberty on the Internet.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: uwaf on December 26, 2008, 04:15:07 pm
Many times this attitude comes from College Educated Sheep. So if you didn't "go to college", they won't listen. My in-laws said their ages added together are nearly 150 so there's no way they are mis or un informed. or
There must be something wrong with someone that would only find the bad things in the world. or
You're nuts if you think the Govt would do that! or
Bush kept us safe since 911. or
Get outta here, you Fn nut! or
If this were true, then why don't I know? or
This would be on the news. or
How could they keep this a secret? or
Stop it with all this doom and gloom. or THE BIGGEST ONE
This is ALL in the Bible. God is in control, it's his will, to punish everyone for not living the Lord's way. If ya been good, he'll "save" you. Maybe you should start going to church.

Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Triadtropz on December 26, 2008, 04:16:07 pm
Very good overview of the situation. They are in a trance and the mass media still controls that (the message), so the infowar is going to take a very long time. We must always defend liberty on the Internet.

my whole familys in a trance watching the msm, God love them...as long as one of is aware...
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: muymalgal on December 26, 2008, 04:16:58 pm
i remember in one of kurt vonnegut's books a quote..."who is more to be pitied, an artist jailed for speaking his mind, or one living in absolute freedom with nothing more to say..."
but i can relate to what your saying.  i only hope the alzheimers is in full force when i am checked into the nursing home, with those people taking care of me... peace.  :)
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: iamc on December 26, 2008, 04:28:35 pm
" A NIGHTMARE...can only become a DREAM...when you let it...
think about it?

...just a thought? for the? ...clueless...
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 04:29:41 pm
my whole familys in a trance watching the msm, God love them...as long as one of is aware...

Me to: 1 for 6!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Revolt426 on December 26, 2008, 04:55:44 pm
I do not support exterminating anyone regardless of who they are and where they are from, so no i am not into Eugenics.

However, i despise people who have 10 children with no means to support them and then pass the bill to the State hospitals and State Welfare. Despising them doesn't mean i want them dead.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 05:05:35 pm
I do not support exterminating anyone regardless of who they are and where they are from, so no i am not into Eugenics.

However, i despise people who have 10 children with no means to support them and then pass the bill to the State hospitals and State Welfare. Despising them doesn't mean i want them dead.

Right, but the only reason they try to pass the bill on to the state is because the state made that an option. Get rid of the option and the incentive is gone, right?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Revolt426 on December 26, 2008, 05:09:19 pm
Right, but the only reason they try to pass the bill on to the state is because the state made that an option. Get rid of the option and the incentive is gone, right?
I could support more limitations on welfare but, as we are heading into a Depression there are innocent people that WILL die, probably millions, without Government assistance. It's really a tough issue, if you just allow the market to correct itself, it will correct the U.S. population as well. I would rather see the whole system overhauled so that it can support our population, and limitations put on welfare so people do not abuse it.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 05:22:36 pm
I could support more limitations on welfare but, as we are heading into a Depression there are innocent people that WILL die, probably millions, without Government assistance. It's really a tough issue, if you just allow the market to correct itself, it will correct the U.S. population as well. I would rather see the whole system overhauled so that it can support our population, and limitations put on welfare so people do not abuse it.

I agree with you, not now. The whole thing would need a transition plan.

But when it comes to taking care of the needy, why can't we as good people just help the needy get back on their feet? The abandoned down syndrome child? There are plenty of charitable organizations, including religous, who will welcome them with open arms. The old? What about the families? We've been conditioned to believe that the damned machine actually matters, when in fact, the machine's central role is to rake in the cash.

Our central role is not a role at all but a God-given bunch of years of life to enjoy!

Best thing of all: when people reclaim their personal responsibility, they realize that with it comes clarity, and choice. They'll like it.

Down with meddling dogooders and control freaks!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: headwest on December 26, 2008, 05:43:33 pm
I could support more limitations on welfare but, as we are heading into a Depression there are innocent people that WILL die, probably millions, without Government assistance. It's really a tough issue, if you just allow the market to correct itself, it will correct the U.S. population as well. I would rather see the whole system overhauled so that it can support our population, and limitations put on welfare so people do not abuse it.

Somewhere I saw, that if you put the human population on a chart.  It would look like a bubble, and it is the only bubble that hasn't corrected itself in a long time, which bubbles by nature do.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: g1rlg0ne on December 26, 2008, 05:47:19 pm
I am still feeling hopeless with most people. I sent my mother the link about Robin Cook's quote about Al Qaeda. She sent me a reply that said nothing other than "You're really starting to scare me." And it was a credible source! People still really believe the lies!
When conveying information about HAARP technology and the potential applications for chemtrail spraying, I get double teamed by a couple sending me sites like skeptoid.com and doing everything in their power to make ME feel like an idiot.
Of course I always find myself saying that things are not limited to themselves; everything is connected and military/gvt/corporation/banks/university research are not always to be trusted. You and I know this, but tying the pieces of the puzzle together for someone who knows nothing about the current state of things is too big of a task. Unless you take it upon yourself to spend hours a day reading and doing your own research and drawing your own conclusions there's no real way of accepting the "unacceptable".
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Revolt426 on December 26, 2008, 05:51:34 pm
Somewhere I saw, that if you put the human population on a chart.  It would look like a bubble, and it is the only bubble that hasn't corrected itself in a long time, which bubbles by nature do.
That chart is Darwinistic propaganda. The reason the population cannot sustain itself is because of our insane monetary system - it has absolutely NOTHING to do with world resources, bubbles or what have you. If the Federal Government invested in cleaning water supplies and high tech infrastructure instead of wars there would be no so called population bubble, there would be a rennesiance.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 05:54:59 pm
I am still feeling hopeless with most people. I sent my mother the link about Robin Cook's quote about Al Qaeda. She sent me a reply that said nothing other than "You're really starting to scare me." And it was a credible source! People still really believe the lies!
When conveying information about HAARP technology and the potential applications for chemtrail spraying, I get double teamed by a couple sending me sites like skeptoid.com and doing everything in their power to make ME feel like an idiot.
Of course I always find myself saying that things are not limited to themselves; everything is connected and military/gvt/corporation/banks/university research are not always to be trusted. You and I know this, but tying the pieces of the puzzle together for someone who knows nothing about the current state of things is too big of a task. Unless you take it upon yourself to spend hours a day reading and doing your own research and drawing your own conclusions there's no real way of accepting the "unacceptable".

I hear you, but the comforting thing is that once you're awake, it's all so obvious - so you know you're not insane.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Elvis on December 26, 2008, 06:00:10 pm
I hear you, but the comforting thing is that once you're awake, it's all so obvious - so you know you're not insane.

I remember the first time I heard Alex Jones. After about 15 minutes, it was as if a weight had suddenly been lifted. I realized I was listening to something I had not heard in a long time - TRUTH.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 06:13:42 pm
I remember the first time I heard Alex Jones. After about 15 minutes, it was as if a weight had suddenly been lifted. I realized I was listening to something I had not heard in a long time - TRUTH.

I still get those moments, when something crystalizes. Amazing stuff.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 26, 2008, 06:14:23 pm
I was at my in-laws' church on Christmas Eve, and the pastor was talking about how bad things happen all the time, but we just need to "be the light of the world" and blah blah blah.

I couldn't even pay attention while he was speaking ; All I could do was picture him saying, "It's gonna be fine...just give up your guns, and get on the bus. The FEMA camps are a gift from God....no, Mrs. Pierson, you won't need any food or belongings where we're going, it's going to be wonderfu, and they'll take good care of you"

Am I insane?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 06:18:02 pm
I was at my in-laws' church on Christmas Eve, and the pastor was talking about how bad things happen all the time, but we just need to "be the light of the world" and blah blah blah.

I couldn't even pay attention while he was speaking ; All I could do was picture him saying, "It's gonna be fine...just give up your guns, and get on the bus. The FEMA camps are a gift from God....no, Mrs. Pierson, you won't need any food or belongings where we're going, it's going to be wonderful, and they'll take good care of you"

Am I insane?

What were the other parishioners doing?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 26, 2008, 06:18:58 pm
What were the other parishioners doing?

Busy staring into their candles (It was a candlelight service), and saying, "yes, yes"
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: centexan on December 26, 2008, 06:19:31 pm
When I overhear ridiculous conversations in public, I just ask questions.  No one can object to you showing an interest in what they're saying.  After a couple of absurd responses, I ask something simple like, "How many continents are there?"  They usually don't know, but they know they SHOULD know, and I then point out that if they don't know how many continents there are, they couldn't POSSIBLY know what the Iranians are doing with their printing presses.

When they turn away, I tell them that TV has conditioned them to turn their backs on the truth--TV sells diversions and lies.  "International bankers are pushing us to war with Pakistan, but tonight you'll see a dog story on the news.  Why is that?"  

Done that hundreds of times and no one's hit me yet.  I love it when kids or girlfriends are with the doofus--makes me hope someone in the group did some independent research later.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 06:20:15 pm
Busy staring into their candles (It was a candlelight service), and saying, "yes, yes"

like zombies, or legitimate holy people?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 26, 2008, 06:23:19 pm
like zombies, or legitimate holy people?

I think the parishioners are just going with the flow ; They are truly clueless as to the goings-on of the world outside Texas. They're legitimate, though. They really do love God and try to "follow His laws" and "love others", but they don't realize the agenda behind some facets of Christianity nowadays. 

I'm just not sure about the preachers, especially the young, liberal-sounding ones. They scare me. I think all the FEMA pastors should either resign or wear a lapel with a nazi symbol on it so we'll know who to listen to.  ;D
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Elvis on December 26, 2008, 06:26:59 pm
Busy staring into their candles (It was a candlelight service), and saying, "yes, yes"

lol
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: CharlesB on December 26, 2008, 06:32:24 pm
I feel as if I'm in "Idiocracy" when I go out.  So I'm glad others here feel the same way and realise that we're not being arrogant when we express our frustration by being surrounded by ..., well, y'all know.

Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 06:34:12 pm
I think the parishioners are just going with the flow ; They are truly clueless as to the goings-on of the world outside Texas. They're legitimate, though. They really do love God and try to "follow His laws" and "love others", but they don't realize the agenda behind some facets of Christianity nowadays. 

I'm just not sure about the preachers, especially the young, liberal-sounding ones. They scare me. I think all the FEMA pastors should either resign or wear a lapel with a nazi symbol on it so we'll know who to listen to.  ;D

I find it hard to believe that all of these otherwise good people, are nothing but mind controlled slaves.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 26, 2008, 06:41:08 pm
I find it hard to believe that all of these otherwise good people, are nothing but mind controlled slaves.

I didn't say they were mind-controlled slaves. I think they really think that what they're doing is helping humanity, but instead of going out and actually helping humanity by getting involved in local and state politics and activism, they're glued to the pews listening to the FEMA pastors tell them how wonderful they are to be helping humanity by, well, sitting in pews and praying for people, which is great, but incomplete. When they're content to just sit there and let the elite poison their kids and try to regulate how many they can have, and provocating wars and staging terror attacks, THAT'S when the elite get what they want, because complacency allows them to hurt you, thus justifying it for them. They (the elite) think that because WE'RE STUPID ENOUGH to LET THEM hurt us, we DESERVE IT. That's not what I believe, it's what THEY believe
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 26, 2008, 06:46:24 pm
I didn't say they were mind-controlled slaves. I think they really think that what they're doing is helping humanity, but instead of going out and actually helping humanity by getting involved in local and state politics and activism, they're glued to the pews listening to the FEMA pastors tell them how wonderful they are to be helping humanity by, well, sitting in pews and praying for people, which is great, but incomplete. When they're content to just sit there and let the elite poison their kids and try to regulate how many they can have, and provocating wars and staging terror attacks, THAT'S when the elite get what they want, because complacency allows them to hurt you, thus justifying it for them. They (the elite) think that because WE'RE STUPID ENOUGH to LET THEM hurt us, we DESERVE IT. That's not what I believe, it's what THEY believe

Damn that was well said!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Elvis on December 26, 2008, 06:52:20 pm
“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."'

"This administration is doing everything we can to end the stalemate in an efficient way. We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end."

Geo. W. Bush
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: pcc on December 26, 2008, 07:28:28 pm
When I overhear ridiculous conversations in public, I just ask questions.  No one can object to you showing an interest in what they're saying.  After a couple of absurd responses, I ask something simple like, "How many continents are there?"  They usually don't know, but they know they SHOULD know, and I then point out that if they don't know how many continents there are, they couldn't POSSIBLY know what the Iranians are doing with their printing presses.

a ridiculous conversation to you, might have unseen significance to someone else..
be careful.. especially in asking "simple" questions to make a point.. someone sharp in geography would have made a fool out of "you".. how many continents indeed.. in case you were not aware, the subject is in dispute..

http://geography.about.com/od/learnabouttheearth/qt/qzcontinents.htm

Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Nailer on December 26, 2008, 07:55:59 pm
the best way to explain it to sheeple..


Asset B30306 Posted By bacchus

Once upon a time a man appeared in a village and
announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys
for $10 each.
The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort. He next announced that he would now buy monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch it! The man now announce d that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy on his behalf. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers: ‘Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has already collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when the man returns from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each.’ The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for 700 billion dollars.

They never saw the man or his assistant again, only
lots and lots of monkeys!

Now you have a better understanding of how the
WALL STREET BAILOUT PLAN WILL WORK !!!!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: birgit on December 26, 2008, 08:03:09 pm
Welcome to my nightmare.
Oh yeah! ::)

           
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: centexan on December 27, 2008, 12:28:47 pm
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in case you were not aware, the subject is in dispute..

Thanks for pointing that out.  Yes, I'm aware that they're disputing the number of continents, but geography in support of politics is not really science.  Merging continents in anticipation of them becoming economic blocs is kowtowing to the foundations that hand out the grant money.  I haven't had that discussion with a stranger yet, but I'm prepared for it.  Seeing as how most people can't name three continents, though, I don't expect to have to debate the issue any time soon.

You can also ask people what the branches of government are.  Or who the vice president is.  Those are trick questions too, as the Secretary of the Treasury is now wielding power as an unaccountable entity (fourth branch of govt), and Cheney assumed office through vote fraud.   

The question about the branches of govt has become my favorite in the last two months--lots of people get that one right, and feel justifiably proud (they just passed my little test, didn't they?), but then I impart the Treasury information and they get sullen.   Maybe I should start telling them it doesn't matter, since we're all Pan-Americans in the new geographic scheme of things.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: heavyhebrew on December 27, 2008, 01:46:54 pm
This quote about sums it up.

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men. "
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams, while a great beer, was the worst of the Revolutionary leaders.
He advocated revolution during British rule but once the British left, Adams turned on the Pennsylvanian fathers. As far as I am concerned, Adams was a Tory who saw the writing on the wall, played ball, and set himself and his merchant friends up.

You want to quote a REAL American revolutionary from that era? Quote Thomas Paine.

Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them. - Thomas Paine
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: GoingEtheric on December 27, 2008, 02:28:30 pm
I know how you feel. No shortage of lemon-heads in my company either. Very annoying those lemonheads are. Iraq printing our money. I bet that bonehead believes that. And you were wise not to correct him. He's too far from the truth to accept your correction.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: chris jones on December 27, 2008, 03:33:16 pm
Your point is well taken.

It is disheartning, the denial, the mindbent, those who go with the flow unable to think for themsleves, and denying their conscience..

I could rant on, but I have before on this situation.

Soon enough , joblessness, homlessnes, and hunger will open the eyes of the sleepers.
 Yes were are the edge staring into the abyss, nevertheless I would not exchange the truth for whatever would be in trade. It in my oppinion is sacred and should be honored.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: nofakenews on December 27, 2008, 03:45:23 pm
Your point is well taken.

It is disheartning, the denial, the mindbent, those who go with the flow unable to think for themsleves, and denying their conscience..

I could rant on, but I have before on this situation.

Soon enough , joblessness, homlessnes, and hunger will open the eyes of the sleepers.
 Yes were are the edge staring into the abyss, nevertheless I would not exchange the truth for whatever would be in trade. It in my oppinion is sacred and should be honored.


I don't think this point is well taken as a lot of people would not wake up if you did no talking..

Think of it this way what if the world did not have Alex Jones?

See people have forgotten how to talk to one another and that is the main reason why being online is so popular and the reason for our government to find a way to kill what you know as the internet with a new internet2.

You have the choice to keep silent when you around others but I have not and that puts me in line of fire but to each their own...

Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: MikeTheBlade on December 27, 2008, 05:13:29 pm
The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. 
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: theexcogitator on December 27, 2008, 07:10:17 pm
The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. 
very appropriate.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: uwaf on December 27, 2008, 07:49:32 pm
I am still feeling hopeless with most people. I sent my mother the link about Robin Cook's quote about Al Qaeda. She sent me a reply that said nothing other than "You're really starting to scare me." And it was a credible source! People still really believe the lies!
When conveying information about HAARP technology and the potential applications for chemtrail spraying, I get double teamed by a couple sending me sites like skeptoid.com and doing everything in their power to make ME feel like an idiot.
Of course I always find myself saying that things are not limited to themselves; everything is connected and military/gvt/corporation/banks/university research are not always to be trusted. You and I know this, but tying the pieces of the puzzle together for someone who knows nothing about the current state of things is too big of a task. Unless you take it upon yourself to spend hours a day reading and doing your own research and drawing your own conclusions there's no real way of accepting the "unacceptable".

I hear ya.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: uwaf on December 27, 2008, 07:55:29 pm
ALL of us have a monkey or two on our backs.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Dig on December 27, 2008, 08:33:13 pm
the best way to explain it to sheeple..


Asset B30306 Posted By bacchus

Once upon a time a man appeared in a village and
announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys
for $10 each.
The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort. He next announced that he would now buy monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch it! The man now announce d that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy on his behalf. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers: ‘Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has already collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when the man returns from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each.’ The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for 700 billion dollars.

They never saw the man or his assistant again, only
lots and lots of monkeys!

Now you have a better understanding of how the
WALL STREET BAILOUT PLAN WILL WORK !!!!


priceless wisdom in the monkey story.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: donnay on December 27, 2008, 09:32:41 pm
I was at my in-laws' church on Christmas Eve, and the pastor was talking about how bad things happen all the time, but we just need to "be the light of the world" and blah blah blah.

I couldn't even pay attention while he was speaking ; All I could do was picture him saying, "It's gonna be fine...just give up your guns, and get on the bus. The FEMA camps are a gift from God....no, Mrs. Pierson, you won't need any food or belongings where we're going, it's going to be wonderfu, and they'll take good care of you"

Am I insane?

No you are NOT!  I had the similar experience at my in-laws church as well...a lovely 501 (c) (3) State run house of god and the entire sermon was on how America is blessed and that eventually things will turn around and we will be bountiful once again.  *SIGH*  That's the definition of insanity, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: heavyhebrew on December 27, 2008, 10:35:46 pm
No you are NOT!  I had the similar experience at my in-laws church as well...a lovely 501 (c) (3) State run house of god and the entire sermon was on how America is blessed and that eventually things will turn around and we will be bountiful once again.  *SIGH*  That's the definition of insanity, if you ask me.

Render unto Caesar...you will start hearing that a lot now.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 27, 2008, 11:07:48 pm
I'll render my foot up their...ok, I won't say that about the "appointed men of God".  ::)
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: SuzakaDusk on December 27, 2008, 11:32:31 pm
the best way to explain it to sheeple..


Asset B30306 Posted By bacchus

Once upon a time a man appeared in a village and
announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys
for $10 each.
The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort. He next announced that he would now buy monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch it! The man now announce d that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy on his behalf. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers: ‘Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has already collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when the man returns from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each.’ The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for 700 billion dollars.

They never saw the man or his assistant again, only
lots and lots of monkeys!

Now you have a better understanding of how the
WALL STREET BAILOUT PLAN WILL WORK !!!!


 I am going to use that for an analogy to these bailouts, even a braindead person would understand it LOL.


One evening some time back I was having a discussion about 911 and someone thinks that Iraq caused it :|:|:| . I tried to reason but alas I was told to "go back to where I come from "..

Honestly :S.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 27, 2008, 11:39:33 pm
I am going to use that for an analogy to these bailouts, even a braindead person would understand it LOL.


One evening some time back I was having a discussion about 911 and someone thinks that Iraq caused it :|:|:| . I tried to reason but alas I was told to "go back to where I come from "..

Honestly :S.

So you had an encounter with the braindead?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: SuzakaDusk on December 27, 2008, 11:40:36 pm
So you had an encounter with the braindead?

Yes, it was a painfull experience :S
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on December 27, 2008, 11:47:01 pm
Yes, it was a painfull experience :S

It's never easy.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: SuzakaDusk on December 27, 2008, 11:49:48 pm
It's never easy.

Never is :S..I try and sow seeds :S
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 28, 2008, 01:14:52 am
made a video that's kind of related to what we're talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFjETP0AC0
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: wendi on December 28, 2008, 01:32:21 am
thank you for your video sociostudent ... it was thought-provoking!  keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: hal 9000 on December 28, 2008, 01:35:44 am
Thanks for all the enlightened responses. Thank God there are some people who refuse to have the wool pulled over their eyes. Most of the people on this forum know the deal. More will awaken in due time.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 28, 2008, 01:37:17 am
thank you for your video sociostudent ... it was thought-provoking!  keep up the good work!

Thanks, wendi! I know some of the sound is messed up--sorry--I'm exhausted.  :)

Good night everyone.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: JTCoyoté on December 28, 2008, 01:56:05 am
made a video that's kind of related to what we're talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFjETP0AC0

Excellent video sociostudent! I love where the guy sticks the pin in Australia, just because it is labeled IRAN... and the slideshow behind the Alex/Alan interview is spot on, flashing topical pic after pic in perfect context with the interview!

 This is what we are dealing with.  I will link to your video on the website of my local paper in this thread on Global warming that is running now... check it out... these are the kind of folks I deal with every day... Global Warming: Bah Humbug (http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20081223/LETTER/812239975/1025/NONE&parentprofile=1058&title=R.%20A.%20Geise%3A%20Global%20warming%3A%20Bah%2C%20humbug!)... And check out the "Editor's Note" at the bottom of the letter!!!

The Letter was written by a "wide awake" friend, BUT, read the comments... have my work cut out for me... at least Rick is awake!

JTCoyoté

"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought
to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue, but
moderation in principle is always a vice."
"The Rights of Man", 1792
~Thomas Paine

 
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: donnay on December 28, 2008, 09:38:14 am
Render unto Caesar...you will start hearing that a lot now.

Well they can say this all they want and they can spout off Romans 13 too but, as long as I know the score I am going to set the record straight.

I sent the minister of this church this article written by a man who does not fear the government and his sermons are not sugary and misguiding.

United Nations’ Program for Complete Disarmament of America is in Place to Be Enforced!


The United Nations, a creation by agents of the Illuminati in 1945, was designed to bring about the comfortable merger of Communism with the West. The idea of Treaty Law being accepted as overriding the Constitution needed to be made believable by the American people. This would mean, of course, that we have never had a Constitution. The truth is that no treaty can override or conflict with the Constitution or it becomes null and void.

The Federal Government is leading the effort to merge our nation with Russia through the United Nation’s New World Order!!! Directives were handed down to the Ford Foundation by the White House to use its grant making power to so alter life in America and make the comfortable merger.

The Council on Foreign Relations was founded in 1921 to infiltrate the State Department first, then other branches of government, so it could control the merger. The CFR was founded in part by Marxist Col. Edward Mandell House, personal advisor to President Woodrow Wilson.

Norman Thomas, six-time presidential candidate of the Socialist party finally gave up running. He said Franklin Delano Roosevelt, as a democrat, could get elected with the socialist platform.

Nikita Khrushchev said that liberals in congress would pass every fabric of the socialist program until one-day America would wake up and find they had a socialist nation!

Every president since Roosevelt has helped pass part of the socialist program. Each was to maintain what had been achieved and add a new program to socialize America – to so alter life that the comfortable merger could take place.

The Second Amendment gives every American the right to bear arms to protect our freedoms from a would-be tyrant, king, or dictator. Illegal laws have been passed to gain gun control – such as the registration of firearms. In Germany, Hitler required the registration of firearms. The government knew exactly who had weapons. When the time was right, the knock on the door came and the weapons were confiscated. Many times the owner went to prison. The registration laws in America were designed after the German gun control laws.

The United Nations was designed to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights. In spite of treaty law not conforming to the Constitution, the federal government has continued to implement, in secret, United Nations Treaties as our own laws.

State Department Publication #72-77 describes the process by which the United States will completely disarm and turn all of our military equipment and personnel over to the United Nations. President John F. Kennedy signed it into law in 1961. He sent along a proposed way to keep world peace. Every country would provide military personnel that would occupy their assigned country or territory within a country. Every individual must surrender his or her weapons, even though the Constitution says we can bear arms as a God given right.

Chinese Communist would occupy these three Western States California, Oregon, and Washington. Russia has been assigned to occupy Texas, and another Communist country in the northern States.

The last stage of this disarmament program was to build INTERNAL SECURITY FORCES to put down riots or insurrections. President George W. Bush and President-elect Obama saw to it that Congress has passed security laws to build an internal military security force as large as our regular army. THE REASON GIVEN IS TO FIGHT TERRORISM INSIDE OUR BORDERS!!! This explanation is a lie to cover up the true intent – Martial Law and Dictatorship in America!

The Dallas Morning News picked up a story from The Washington Post that stated the first 20,000 internal security forces have already been approved. One military command that returned from Iraq is touring the country to prepare people for the inevitable – troops on American streets.

President Bush has already illegally rescinded the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, which opens the door for the military to come into our streets. It is interesting how the military and FEMA were in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. On video one soldier stated he didn’t like what he might have to do to Americans – SHOOT THEM!!! The appearance of the military was a trial run to see if Americans would object or even realize what was taking place. Then came the devastation in Galveston, Texas by a hurricane WITH NO RESPONSE FROM FEMA. In New Orleans, the military went door-to-door in rich neighborhoods where no damage had occurred and handcuffed private citizens, searched their houses for guns and took them. The exercise was complete – during a catastrophe the government confiscated guns in violation of the Second Amendment and the Posse Comitatus Act.

In 1993, a survey was made at the Twenty Nine Palms Marine base to determine if marines would shoot Americans if they refused to turn over guns the president had banned – just like the U.N. Treaty said!!!

A President-elect has been placed in the position to enforce the confiscation of guns. His name is Barack Hussein Obama, a perpetual voter for gun control, even as a state senator from Illinois! He is under the complete control of the Illuminati’s military/industrial complex, the money barons that have stripped the United States of its real wealth [gold and the once mighty manufacturing base] and left it with a legacy of debt, no gold backed currency, and dead and wounded soldiers on all their battlefronts.

Obama is under the complete control of those that our forefathers warned us about – bankers who would charge us interest and little-by-little confiscate all of our wealth and reduce us to serfs or slaves. Our forefathers placed the coining of money and setting the value of it into the hands of congress only. The Illuminati secret agents formulated the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. It was passed with only a handful of senators left in Washington, D.C. on December 23, 1913.

Who was it that received a supposedly $700 billion bailout? BANKS!!! They were supposed to use the money to open up credit lines for our citizens. That has not happened yet. WHY? They already have the nation and its citizens in debt so deep that very few can apply for a loan. The more money put into circulation, the more we owe the Federal Reserve in interest!

Who has Obama given positions as his new appointees? It is the same old group that got us into the situation we now find ourselves. These are the same men from the Marxist Council on Foreign Relations [which Obama admitted to speaking before], Trilateral Commission, Order of Skull & Bones, the Bohemian Grove, the Bilderbergers, and on and on. We have on video that Obama has called for the redistribution of the wealth, right out of the Karl Marx book on socialism. America, you are about to inherit a socialist president. Get ready for the next tragedy to unfold in your life!!!

~David J. Smith

Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Blowback on December 28, 2008, 01:20:39 pm
I had to write a blog for my "Writing for Web" class at the Art Institute.  Here is a copy of the blog that I wrote and the response by a class mate:

My Blog:

Obama's Mandatory Civil Service Plan
 
America Serves


"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."



Okay, sure.  I can buy that. Now lets have a look at what your website said last week.


http://www.change.gov/americaserves



The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.



Yikes!  Did that say "required"?  So let me get this straight....


Obama, the first black president, is going to REQUIRE me, and all high school / college students to work for free?  I can understand mandatory labor if your talking about slaves or prisoners, but I don't consider myself to be either. 


It just seems funny to be that the first President from Illinois abolished slavery, but the second President from Illinois is going to bring it right back.


Obama is promising change, but there will be no repeal of the patriot act, there will still be war in the Middle East and Asia, and George Bush will still not be in prison along with his war criminal buddies.  To me I don't see much change in that.   


*edit* The Obama website has now changed the wording in the above text.  All mention of the mandatory / required work force has been suspiciously removed, but the original screen shot can be viewed here.


Before:
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

After:
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is the response from my class mate,  I think his name is Josh.

You seem to be very good at taking things out of context. Obama had always spoken about developing a plan to help students who engage in community service. This is a great idea: help those who help others. And as for the change: do you really think Obama typed that himself? Furthermore, how many times have you said or typed something that did not come out right the first time?

And to take this even further...even if he would require students to do community service as part of a diploma or degree, is that really wrong? It is far from slavery. Slavery was purely for profit. Students would be feeding the needy, cleaning roads and parks, or planting trees. So long as they would integrate it into the students' schedules by consolidating or eliminating some classes or by giving students who work a way to opt out, I wouldn't have a problem with this. Quit thinking only about yourself.

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They are brain dead idiots and I want to backhand them all in the mouth when I hear them talk.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Logic on December 28, 2008, 02:09:49 pm
I completely understand what you are saying, at the moment i am trying to remind my Family that they should prepare food etc. encase the economy collapses and we go into depression 2.0. but they create ways to procrastinate and carry on with there daily grinding.

 I have to say the Majority of people that i talk to, or try to educate. Seem like there brains have turned to jello from toxicity. they don't understand what im saying and just like the Cashier in the Ops post they just go into a Yes man mode and nothing sticks. The others give me 1 of these responses.

 I DON'T CARE

Or.

This is ALL in the Bible. God is in control, it's his will, to punish everyone for not living the Lord's way. If ya been good, he'll "save" you. Maybe you should start going to church.

 I very much feel like im stuck in a bad movie sometimes. I usually stand in total Owe at peoples willingness to be totally ignorant to things that are.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Patriot_Grrl on December 28, 2008, 08:16:38 pm
I think also, people are scared to accept the truth. I mean I have people say to me, "well you know, you could get yourself in trouble talking about this or that." (hell at least they know that much lol). To which my reply is, "well, there's one of the problems, either way we're screwed, but at least I know where I stand." Some people just can't accept it, some people are deathly afraid of it, some are just outright idiots. All you can do is plant the seeds, and hopefully they will catch on and grow. Definately don't give up the fight though.
Sadly enough....A lot of people aren't going to accept it until it actually starts smacking them in their face everyday, maybe when we get to a point like the society in the movie Equilibrium people will start to understand what we all were warning them about. Although I hope it never gets to that point!  :-\ Thank God we all have eachother here, because you people all make me feel not so crazy haha.  ;D
P.S. SocioStudent, great vid, I subscribed to ya. =)
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 28, 2008, 09:24:52 pm
I think also, people are scared to accept the truth. I mean I have people say to me, "well you know, you could get yourself in trouble talking about this or that." (hell at least they know that much lol). To which my reply is, "well, there's one of the problems, either way we're screwed, but at least I know where I stand." Some people just can't accept it, some people are deathly afraid of it, some are just outright idiots. All you can do is plant the seeds, and hopefully they will catch on and grow. Definately don't give up the fight though.
Sadly enough....A lot of people aren't going to accept it until it actually starts smacking them in their face everyday, maybe when we get to a point like the society in the movie Equilibrium people will start to understand what we all were warning them about. Although I hope it never gets to that point!  :-\ Thank God we all have eachother here, because you people all make me feel not so crazy haha.  ;D
P.S. SocioStudent, great vid, I subscribed to ya. =)

I don't know, my cousin went to China for the olympics, and said she didn't see ANY police state tactics or dissidents getting the crap beat out of them. Which means, they must have had an excellent PR campaign to cover all that up.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 28, 2008, 09:37:30 pm
What I mean by that is, China's a blueprint for the rest of the world regarding its' ways of controlling the populace. Even if it IS smacking them in the face, they STILL won't realize it because the PR will be so friendly.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Aaron on December 28, 2008, 10:46:18 pm
Totally agree. You only have to look at the UK, the public is so placid in it's destruction. In the UK, it's obviously a different kind of programming to it's sister nation, the US. (sister through CFR + RIIA)
I'm guessing this was the plan.

The future will be a blend of China with the totalitarian state and the UK with the awesome propaganda techniques.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on December 28, 2008, 10:54:36 pm
Can't go wrong with the cross-breed between 1984/Brave New World, i suppose.  >:(

What's our answer to 1984 again? ;D
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Patriot_Grrl on December 28, 2008, 10:57:10 pm
What I mean by that is, China's a blueprint for the rest of the world regarding its' ways of controlling the populace. Even if it IS smacking them in the face, they STILL won't realize it because the PR will be so friendly.

Oh yeah, I understand what you mean 100%, I also agree with you. ;)

What I meant by the people who aren't going to realize until it hits em' in the face are the "we'll have to wait and see" people. I have met ALOT of them lately lol.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: AlphaM on December 29, 2008, 03:00:19 pm
When they turn away, I tell them that TV has conditioned them to turn their backs on the truth--TV sells diversions and lies.  "International bankers are pushing us to war with Pakistan, but tonight you'll see a dog story on the news.  Why is that?"  

The other night, I watched Network again for the first time since having to see it in a mass media class and write about it several years ago (got it on DVD for Christmas).  It's amazing how this movie turned out to be a prophecy about television.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: hal 9000 on December 30, 2008, 12:54:01 am
Quote
What I mean by that is, China's a blueprint for the rest of the world regarding its' ways of controlling the populace. Even if it IS smacking them in the face, they STILL won't realize it because the PR will be so friendly.

I am afraid you may be correct. I see it in the way so many idolize Obama. Bush was so bad that Obama appears as if he is made of pure gold. The majority will follow him right into the bowels of the New World Order, and love every minute of it. They really believe that the state only does whats in their best interests, just like it was mommy and daddy.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: DireWolf on December 30, 2008, 05:16:38 pm
With the NWO storm is now yet but a little ways away and we shall soon discover just how in the minority we are.

 The technology developed to mentally lobotomize the masses has obviously failed on the likes of us and so in the eyes and minds of others we may stand out as a little different from others as our ideas and viewpoints differ from the accepted ( wrong ) norm. We are the minority that the NWO will try to eradicate so we will not be able to further awaken the zombified masses creating yet further problems for themselves.

Take heart in the knowledge that we stand in a very unique position in relation to history's time line and the opportunities we have before us to make a difference could very well resonate throughout time for centuries.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Elvis on December 30, 2008, 06:06:42 pm
Oh yeah! ::)

blue. It was a freakin' movie. ::)
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: boxcarro on February 25, 2009, 12:40:50 pm

¶28 In Bannister v. State, 1996 OK CR 60, 930 P.2d 1176, 1178, this Court agreed, holding that this same definition of ‘willful’ "is at odds with the plain meaning of that term as it is used in the statutes defining the crimes of child abuse. . . ." Although similar instructions were found to have been reversible error in Bannister and Hockersmith v. State, 1996 OK CR 51, 926 P.2d 793, this Court more recently, in Grady v. State, 1997 OK CR 67, 947 P.2d 1069, held that this error alone does not require reversal. Because this was the only significant trial error which affected the charge of child abuse, relief need not be granted.
1999 OK CR 37   989 P.2d 998      Bernay v. State
(Cited)   S   
   

¶1 John Camp Bernay, hereinafter referred to as Appellant, was tried by jury in Oklahoma County District Court, Case No. CF-95-1075, before the Honorable Charles L. Owens, District Judge, for First Degree Malice Murder, in violation of 21 O.S. 1991, § 701.7(A) (Count I), Shooting With Intent to Kill, in violation of 12 O.S. Supp.1992, § 652 (Counts II and III), Pointing a Firearm, in violation of O.S.Supp.1995, § 1289.16 (Count IV), and Felonious Possession of a Firearm, in violation of 12 O.S.Supp.1994, § 1283 (Count V). The trial judge sustained a demurrer to Count IV. Count V was dismissed at the State's request after the jury's first stage verdict. The jury rendered verdicts of guilty on Count I and not guilty on Counts II and III. The jury found the following aggravating circumstances: (1) the defendant was previously convicted of a felony involving the use or threat of violence to the person; (2) the defendant knowingly created a great risk of death to more than one person; (3) the murder was committed by a person while serving a sentence of imprisonment on conviction of a felony; and (4) the existence of a [989 P.2d 1005] probability that the defendant would commit criminal acts of violence that would constitute a continuing threat to society.1 The jury recommended a sentence of death which the trial court imposed. From this Judgment and Sentence, Appellant has perfected his appeal to this Court.
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¶71 Additionally, there is a strong presumption that defense counsel's decision not to proceed with the deposition was the product of trial strategy and not incompetence. This Court will not second guess defense counsel's trial strategy. Grady v. State, 1997 OK CR 67 , ¶ 9, 947 P.2d 1069 , 1072.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: boxcarro on February 25, 2009, 01:52:31 pm


I waited so long for a freight at Klamath Falls one time, me and a bunch of other tramps, there were actually buzzards circling around overhead waiting for us to die. We found a Farm House to rest, but were warned off when police came to execute a searcg warrent. Beside running we hoboes off,what police officers also found in that house was grisly in the extreme. In the house they found - two shin bones, four human noses, a quart can converted into a tom-tom by skin stretched over both top and bottom, a bowl made from the inverted half of a human skull, nine ‘death masks’ (from the well preserved skin from the faces of women), ten female heads with the tops sawn off above the eyebrows, bracelets of human skin, a purse made with a handle of human skin, sheath for a knife made in human skin, a pair of leggings made from human skin, four chairs with the seats being replaced by strips of human skin, a shoe box containing nine salted vulvas of which his mothers was painted silver, a hanging human head, a lampshade covered with human skin, a shirt made of human skin, a number of shrunken heads (Arthuth always joked that he had a collection of shrunken heads), two skulls for Gorgor’s bedposts, a pair of human lips hanging from string, Eerhuth’s full woman body suit constructed with human skin and complete with mask and breasts, Beeetule Woeeeerduuuen’s heart in a pan on the stove, and the refrigerator which was stacked with human organs.

Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on February 25, 2009, 03:13:58 pm
Dude, wtf are you TALKING about?  :-\
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Geolibertarian on February 25, 2009, 03:29:27 pm
Dude, wtf are you TALKING about?  :-\

Drugs are bad, m'kay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNbExvU42q4).  ;)
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: sociostudent on February 25, 2009, 04:10:36 pm
Drugs are bad, m'kay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNbExvU42q4).  ;)

Yeeeah..... :(
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: well armed on February 28, 2009, 03:32:02 pm
I sent my brother in law a Alex Jones Obaaaaama Video, He still won't talk to me.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Geolibertarian on February 28, 2009, 04:10:01 pm
I sent my brother in law a Alex Jones Obaaaaama Video, He still won't talk to me.

Unfortunately that's what happens when you insult someone's God.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: nustada on February 28, 2009, 05:57:06 pm
The guy behind the counter is paid to be nice to the customers. The customer is always right. (We know that is BS, but we pretend until it matters)

I don't understand why someone would rather watch a propaganda over reading the book itself. Point her to revelations 18:11-24, with a focus on 23.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on February 28, 2009, 07:41:06 pm
I sent my brother in law a Alex Jones Obaaaaama Video, He still won't talk to me.

Perhaps he is on crack?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: space86 on March 09, 2009, 08:18:25 pm
Meth abuse on the rise.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: John-Michael Talboo on March 26, 2009, 09:47:09 pm
Wow great post. I am going to make a few people in my life read this, I have tried to express these  things to them, but you nailed it.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: judge sixkiller on April 27, 2009, 09:07:14 pm
I know exactly how you feel.  I've lost important relationships because of a failure to connect and impress upon certain individuals the importance of various issues.  Protection is my nature, and when those I love the most refuse to acknowledge the urgency of immediate proactive and preventative measures at the expense of a "normal" life, even if it is just a temporary disruption, it is heartbreaking.  Maddening.  I'm just barely crawling out of the deepest, darkest hole I have ever fallen into.  It's been very hard.  Best wishes for everyone.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: wezthebikie on May 01, 2009, 05:54:41 pm
Yes, it does seem very lonely at times.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: luckee1 on May 04, 2009, 01:37:23 pm
bump
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Dudicus_Maximus on May 08, 2009, 01:36:33 pm
Many times this attitude comes from College Educated Sheep. So if you didn't "go to college", they won't listen. My in-laws said their ages added together are nearly 150 so there's no way they are mis or un informed. or
There must be something wrong with someone that would only find the bad things in the world. or
You're nuts if you think the Govt would do that! or
Bush kept us safe since 911. or
Get outta here, you Fn nut! or
If this were true, then why don't I know? or
This would be on the news. or
How could they keep this a secret? or
Stop it with all this doom and gloom. or THE BIGGEST ONE
This is ALL in the Bible. God is in control, it's his will, to punish everyone for not living the Lord's way. If ya been good, he'll "save" you. Maybe you should start going to church.



Well, I've been to college and even higher education (but I am no sheep) and I get the same responses as you...and these people are as educated as I am. I have highlighted the ones I have heard or responses similar to them.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Dudicus_Maximus on May 08, 2009, 03:20:04 pm
Bump
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: luckee1 on May 09, 2009, 05:24:33 pm
Sociostudent, I sent that link to your video to all of my peeps, with instructions to send to others!  I seldom do that.  Beautifuly done vid Lady!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: chuck41 on May 16, 2009, 12:03:43 pm

I don't understand why someone would rather watch a propaganda over reading the book itself. Point her to revelations 18:11-24, with a focus on 23.

Isn`t the lie always easier to swallow than the truth?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: chillin1 on May 16, 2009, 09:42:56 pm
The term 'lie' is subjective.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: vladimir on May 18, 2009, 06:49:13 pm
I do not support exterminating anyone regardless of who they are and where they are from, so no i am not into Eugenics.

However, i despise people who have 10 children with no means to support them and then pass the bill to the State hospitals and State Welfare. Despising them doesn't mean i want them dead.

Which is more to be despised: a poor imbecile who thinks he has to have as many children as his great grandfather who lived on a farm and needed lots of field hands in the family and whose wife is too afraid of birth control to keep from staying pregnant, or David Rockefeller and his ilk who each own a dozen mansions built with tax money and wage-slavery which are only populated by servants because his children each have a dozen similar mansions of their own?
 
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on May 18, 2009, 07:04:14 pm
The term 'lie' is subjective.

How so?

Sort of like "perception is reality"?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: ekimdrachir on August 18, 2009, 05:04:39 pm

I absolutely know how that feels. Its reassuring to finally see more people who are waking up. Have we all been in a trance?
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: tabitha on September 24, 2009, 08:24:10 am
 
I have a college education also and I am no sheeple.  I knew something was wrong for a very long time but didn't know what.  I finally knew the truth when I found Alex Jones on the Internet.  I didn't want to believe it was this bad but I couldn't deny what I see happening every day.  I cannot get anybody in my family to listen to me, they all think I am crazy at worst or paranoid at best.  Ironically they blame my views on my education since I am the only one in my family to get past high school, not that it did me any good. 
Anyway, there are other people out there who are also searching for the truth and will recognize it when they see it. At times I read and considered some crazy stuff,ie.. Iran printing American money but I am happy to say I had my eyes opened up.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: surfingusa on October 12, 2009, 02:10:21 am
'the clueless' are those who follow the primacy-of-consciousness philosophy instead of adhering to the primacy-of-existence philosophy.

"A simple example of the primacy-of-existence orientation would be a man running for his life from an erupting volcano. Such a man acknowledges a fact, the volcano–and the fact that it is what it is and does what it does independent of his feelings of any other state of his consciousness. At least in this instance, he grasps the difference between mental contents and external data, between perceiver and perceived, between subject and object. Implicitly if not explicitly, he knows that wishes are not horses and that ignoring an entity does not make it vanish. Contrast this approach with that of a savage [who follows the primacy-of-consciousness orientation] who remains frozen under the same circumstances, eyes fixed sightless on the ground, mind chanting frantic prayers or magic incantations in the hope of wishing away the river of molten lava hurtling toward him. Such an individual has not reached the stage of making a firm distinction between consciousness and existence. Like many of our civilized contemporaries who are his brothers-in-spirit (and like the ostrich), he deals with threats not by identification and consequent action, but by blindness. The implicit premise underlying such behavior is: 'If I don't want it or look at it, it won't be there; i.e., my consciousness controls existence.'" Leonard Peikoff, Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand. (page 18)

Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on October 12, 2009, 09:15:03 pm
 
I have a college education also and I am no sheeple.  I knew something was wrong for a very long time but didn't know what.  I finally knew the truth when I found Alex Jones on the Internet.  I didn't want to believe it was this bad but I couldn't deny what I see happening every day.  I cannot get anybody in my family to listen to me, they all think I am crazy at worst or paranoid at best.  Ironically they blame my views on my education since I am the only one in my family to get past high school, not that it did me any good. 
Anyway, there are other people out there who are also searching for the truth and will recognize it when they see it. At times I read and considered some crazy stuff,ie.. Iran printing American money but I am happy to say I had my eyes opened up.

Welcome to the club! ;D
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: H0llyw00d on April 01, 2010, 10:00:25 pm
I have been busting my buttocks to awaken the slumbering South. Unfortunately, the IQ level here is extremely low, and me being a misplaced "Northerner" makes it tough.
But I have a few success story's (converts), but alas, not enough. EXAMPLE: Discussion with an elderly gentleman about WTC7 one night @ a "moose?" club. I asked, "How did WTC7 fall down in free fall, evenly all the way down to the footprint when nothing impacted it and minimal fire damge?"

His answer??......"Well now you know those buildings are designed to fall down if needed due to natural causes"

My jaw dropped so low...I just was mentality flabbergasted!!! OK, then who decides when to "pull" a building?
...ohh...righhhhht....Silverstein  :o
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: DeepDeepLethe on April 01, 2010, 10:14:54 pm
Yesterday I was standing in line at a local convenience store when the guy in front of me made some of the most outrageously uninformed claims I have ever heard. He boldly claimed that Iraq was given the "technology" to print our money back when they were our allies, and that they now have us over a barrel, or so to speak. The guy behind the counter, who he was addressing these ridiculous claims to, blithely listened to him prattle on, seemingly taking it all in without the slightest bit of discernment. I swear this guy actually said this. I didn't even bother to try and set him straight, or mention the fact that a private banking consortium controls our money system. What would be the use. The guy (and probably the guy behind the counter)  is too far gone. There is probably no hope for someone that brain washed.

Later that evening, I was at my sisters house. As usual, she was transfixed to the television, watching some asinine show on the History Channel about Revelation prophecies predicting the final clash of "God vs Satan". When I merely attempted to point out the shortcomings of the show, those shortcomings being the fact that at no time during the show was it mentioned that the only way for Satan to exert his power in this world is through actual flesh and blood men and their institutions, ie - Banking, Military, Governmental, Secret Societies, etc. she became visibly angered, and told me to shut up. She literally looked at me like I was some kind of pathetic nutcase, and told me how she didn't want to hear any of it. I dutifully closed my mouth, and said no more, while she re focused her attention to the talking box beside the wall.

It is a bit disquieting to have an inkling as to what is really going on, only to be surrounded by clueless people who don't know - or couldn't care less - about such things. They are quite happy in their willful ignorance, and will only attack you if you try and impart a little of the truth to them. The  great psychiatrist Carl Jung once said that true loneliness is not necessarily being in the absence of people, but in the inability to find others who care as deeply about the topics that are of burning interest to you. He wrote that at times he felt as if he had "fallen off the edge of the earth."  Does anyone else ever feel this way.

Oh my goodness can I ever identify with that. For far longer than before I ever "woke up". I'm sure Nietzsche isn't well liked around here due to his associations, but this aphorism of his I always resonated with so strongly, and you might appreciate it also:

'The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.'
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Femacamper on April 01, 2010, 10:16:34 pm
I wish some of my family members were awake. It's very difficult trying to explain to a finance/accounting major that the richest people in the world are the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: attietewd on April 02, 2010, 01:51:52 am
Look, I'm 59 years old and it's only been this last few months that my husband and I have REALLY snapped out of it.  It really started about a year ago when crap happened over a vaccine...not the first bad reaction either.  You'd have thought I would have woke up the FIRST TIME....but no..WELL I'M AWAKE NOW!  And would you believe, sure ya do, that others are STILL slumbering in this fricken family! It's the younger ones in my family. I know, it's too painful to wake up!  It's like living in the twilight zone...yesterday was the first time I noticed the chemtrails..MY Lord!  They're all over the damn sky...planes going in every direction with these huge white spreading tails behind them.  If it wasnt for faith I don't even think I would want to get up.  So if I my husband and I at 59 and 60 can wake up....there is hope for your family and friends.  But, then they get to live in the twilight zone too.  There aint no way around it, nothing is like it seemed it's all a shiny turd.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Love on April 26, 2010, 09:59:09 pm
Though people here are a minority, a few months ago I never heard of this forum, and now here I am.  There will be others, who right now haven't a clue, who in the future will be here.  The key is to get people to question reality and authority.  Many people just never got in the habit of questioning reality.  So it's not like they don't have potential.  It's not about getting them to believe a specific thing is true or false... it's about getting them to wake up the logical part of the brain that has been dormant and never been really exercised.... they will then be naturally led to the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219ydDcX2V4
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: DeathToNWO on April 28, 2010, 04:53:01 pm
Yeah, I run into so many people like this.  Actually, I can remember when I was like that myself.  Completely blinded and asleep.  Its crazy actually seeing these things go on in the world. 

Being awake to the real plan has strengthened my spirit and my faith.

God Bless!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on April 28, 2010, 06:57:20 pm
Yeah, I run into so many people like this.  Actually, I can remember when I was like that myself.  Completely blinded and asleep.  Its crazy actually seeing these things go on in the world. 

Being awake to the real plan has strengthened my spirit and my faith.

God Bless!

+1

Just imagine what it was like to see it, but to pretend it was not there. That's what the "sheeple" do.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Blows Against the Empire on July 25, 2010, 09:09:10 am
Look, I'm 59 years old and it's only been this last few months that my husband and I have REALLY snapped out of it.  It really started about a year ago when crap happened over a vaccine...not the first bad reaction either.  You'd have thought I would have woke up the FIRST TIME....but no..WELL I'M AWAKE NOW!  And would you believe, sure ya do, that others are STILL slumbering in this fricken family! It's the younger ones in my family. I know, it's too painful to wake up!  It's like living in the twilight zone...yesterday was the first time I noticed the chemtrails..MY Lord!  They're all over the damn sky...planes going in every direction with these huge white spreading tails behind them.  If it wasnt for faith I don't even think I would want to get up.  So if I my husband and I at 59 and 60 can wake up....there is hope for your family and friends.  But, then they get to live in the twilight zone too.  There aint no way around it, nothing is like it seemed it's all a shiny turd.

I'm 56 and haven't been completely asleep, seeing I never lost my skepticism of the establishment from the era in which I grew up. However it has been only this week I subscribed to Prison Planet TV, signed up on the boards, sites etc. The time has come and the ranks are growing!!! Coming from a person who has gone from people walking away from me to someone others seek out to ask questions and where they can get answers I can see the interest emerging. I cannot believe myself the number of people I told to start by going to infowars.com this past week!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on July 25, 2010, 09:13:46 pm
I'm 56 and haven't been completely asleep, seeing I never lost my skepticism of the establishment from the era in which I grew up. However it has been only this week I subscribed to Prison Planet TV, signed up on the boards, sites etc. The time has come and the ranks are growing!!! Coming from a person who has gone from people walking away from me to someone others seek out to ask questions and where they can get answers I can see the interest emerging. I cannot believe myself the number of people I told to start by going to infowars.com this past week!

Welcome aboard dude!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freelancer on August 09, 2010, 08:15:56 am
Guys I didn't know where to put this, however after viewing, you'll see what I mean..

Woman Excited About Arrest of Sister on TV


http://www.break.com/index/woman-too-excited-about-arrest-on-tv

This is the epitome of clueless, there's a fine line when it comes to family and the law and this idiot right here gets my award of solitude and disavowed if she would be related to me.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Rebelitarian on September 02, 2010, 05:40:10 pm
Yesterday I was standing in line at a local convenience store when the guy in front of me made some of the most outrageously uninformed claims I have ever heard. He boldly claimed that Iraq was given the "technology" to print our money back when they were our allies, and that they now have us over a barrel, or so to speak. The guy behind the counter, who he was addressing these ridiculous claims to, blithely listened to him prattle on, seemingly taking it all in without the slightest bit of discernment. I swear this guy actually said this. I didn't even bother to try and set him straight, or mention the fact that a private banking consortium controls our money system. What would be the use. The guy (and probably the guy behind the counter)  is too far gone. There is probably no hope for someone that brain washed.

Later that evening, I was at my sisters house. As usual, she was transfixed to the television, watching some asinine show on the History Channel about Revelation prophecies predicting the final clash of "God vs Satan". When I merely attempted to point out the shortcomings of the show, those shortcomings being the fact that at no time during the show was it mentioned that the only way for Satan to exert his power in this world is through actual flesh and blood men and their institutions, ie - Banking, Military, Governmental, Secret Societies, etc. she became visibly angered, and told me to shut up. She literally looked at me like I was some kind of pathetic nutcase, and told me how she didn't want to hear any of it. I dutifully closed my mouth, and said no more, while she re focused her attention to the talking box beside the wall.

It is a bit disquieting to have an inkling as to what is really going on, only to be surrounded by clueless people who don't know - or couldn't care less - about such things. They are quite happy in their willful ignorance, and will only attack you if you try and impart a little of the truth to them. The  great psychiatrist Carl Jung once said that true loneliness is not necessarily being in the absence of people, but in the inability to find others who care as deeply about the topics that are of burning interest to you. He wrote that at times he felt as if he had "fallen off the edge of the earth."  Does anyone else ever feel this way.

This idiot is quoting you the plot from the A-Team movie.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Don't worry they'll wake up in the FEMA Camps.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: normington headspice on October 01, 2010, 07:45:46 pm
Only you can know yourself and your potential.

It's up to you to make things better.

Get Up!
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Freeski on October 01, 2010, 08:42:40 pm
Eeek, just came back from a walk (with a beer because it's "illegal" - I do that sort of thing out of spite ;D) and there was a little house with an "Obama '08" sign -- and I live in Canada! Yep, surrounded by the awesomely clueless.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: ghost hacked on March 06, 2011, 06:03:11 pm
I was in a hotel bar this week and enjoying a pint of Stella and overheard this guy from Ohio and an Indian talking,... the topic got to weather control.

Ohio man = 'Well it's not like we have the ability to control weather'

Me interjecting - 'That's not entirely true'.

Ohio and Indian man looked my way .. with the look of 'huh?' on their faces. Told them about HAARP, and both either thought I was crazy or were amazed to find out we can at the very least manipulate and influcence weather.

A couple good guys none the less, and we shared a few laughs. But I think Ohio Man's mind was a little more than blown after our conversations.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: alphagirlzk on March 07, 2011, 03:55:14 pm
try being bipolar and trying to talk to people about this stuff. Now that is a struggle.
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: agentbluescreen on March 07, 2011, 04:29:47 pm
That's a great quote. In my daily conversations with people, I try and work in a little of the truth. It is best to be subtle and not try to push people too hard, but most people seem to be so uninformed that they either don't want to hear a word of it, or that they simply can't comprehend what I am talking about. Other seem to know, deep down in their minds, that what I'm saying is basically true, but they don't want to go into it in any detail. After about a minute or so, they quickly change the subject back to more mundane topics such as football or the weather. At times I feel as if I am like some sort of religious fanatic who is proselytizing the unconverted. Why don't more people understand the gravity of what is happening? What will it take to finally wake them up and get interested in the really important things? Maybe they are just like the proverbial frog in the pot who never realizes that he is slowly being boiled alive. 


Yes, it is akin to being in a nightmare, or a twilight zone episode. You know that there are many more out there who also know what is going on, but that those people are, like yourself, the exception. The vast majority are still living in the false matrix of mainstream "news media" and pop culture. It is very frustrating.

They need to be motivated by using the classic tabloid journalism OMG moment of outrage to shock them into accepting a reality they refuse to even acknowledge. Mere nudging or innuendo will not break the bonds of their addiction to myth. They have to finally get as mad as hell.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=186389.msg1200006#msg1200006
Title: Re: Surrounded by the clueless.
Post by: Mikko on August 08, 2011, 03:25:43 am
You know, they got no reason to believe you in the first place if all that belief does causes extra heartache and stress, just an extra pain to your daily life. Think about it: what can you do against such monster? I didn't have much of an idea when I first heard about these things, I bet most people don't have it any better. It's a pretty hopeless feeling even though you know you got a clue where to look. And if someone says he got it all figured out and even offers you a solution, what's the first thing you think and why? He's a scammer, because that's how things work usually. Because you've gotten all those chain letters, seen the lottery advertisements, you know how the stock exchange works, all the pyramid schemes... it's like a world full of scammers taking advantage of whoever they can and they know it. Now one guy comes to tell you "hey, you don't have to do this anymore, there's another way" and the automated response is "piss off".

Well, there just happens to be another way. Support the government as little as possible, that's the way. The weak government giving in to all the crap is the cancer. Become independent from that. This is just my way, a way that doesn't involve politics and voting. It gives me something to work for to make things better for myself and for the others. Somebody else gets my job after I quit some day and makes the money I won't be needing anymore, if all goes as planned. No investment bullcrap, just save enough to get a house and some area to produce food, solar panels, graywater system, outdoor toilet, that's it. Food production would be the hardest part in it if you did it the conventional way, but you'll get higher yields with less work and much less money invested from farming the natural way once you've got the thing going. So the biggest moneyhole is house and a lot in my case. There's a lot of people who are already making big harvests with permaculture farming, if you don't believe me you should go see them for yourself.