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Title: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 22, 2008, 10:47:00 pm
Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
All Options Open, Minister Says in New Delhi
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/22/AR2008122202024.html?hpid=moreheadlines
By Rama Lakshmi
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, December 23, 2008; Page A12

NEW DELHI, Dec. 22 -- In signs of growing regional tension since the Mumbai attacks last month, Pakistan scrambled fighter jets over several of its larger cities Monday, and India's foreign minister told a gathering of Indian diplomats in New Delhi that the country is keeping all its options open to bring the perpetrators of the attacks to justice.

"We have so far acted with utmost restraint," Pranab Mukherjee told the more than 120 envoys from posts around the world, according to news reports. But he added, "We will take all measures necessary as we deem fit to deal with the situation."

A senior government official later called Mukherjee's tough talk "an expression of political will that India will not take this lying down." He added that the option of "precision airstrikes" on terrorist training camps in Pakistan would remain on the table if Islamabad did not act effectively against groups fomenting terrorism against India.

Pakistan has denied involvement in the Mumbai attacks, which killed more than 170 people and wounded more than 230.

On Monday, Pakistan put its air force on high alert, with several fighter jets conducting exercises over the capital, Islamabad, as well as Rawalpindi, Lahore and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir. Offices of newspapers and television channels were inundated with calls from people asking whether the exercises, which caused delays in some civilian flights, were a response to airstrikes by India.

A Pakistani air force spokesman, Commodore Humayun Viqar, said in a statement, "In view of the current environment, PAF has enhanced its vigilance."

The air force's action coincided with the arrival in Islamabad of the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Michael Mullen, who met with Pakistan's army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, and the head of its Inter-Services Intelligence agency, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha.

Mullen thanked both men for their efforts, and the efforts of the Pakistani government, to arrest members of the outlawed Islamist group Lashkar-i-Taiba and other extremist organizations suspected of involvement in the Mumbai attacks, according to his spokesman, Navy Capt. John Kirby. Mullen also reportedly urged them to support judicial efforts to prosecute the cases fully and transparently.

A Pakistani official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said Kiyani told Mullen that Pakistan was trying its best to defuse tension with India.

"We want peace with India, but any aggression will be matched by a befitting response," the official quoted Kiyani as saying.

An Indian official in New Delhi said that the three-day meeting of diplomats had been scheduled before the attacks occurred but that it provided an opportunity for India to work out a diplomatic strategy for pressuring Islamabad to act against terrorist groups.

"Unfortunately, Pakistan's response so far has demonstrated their earlier tendency to resort to a policy of denial and to seek to deflect and shift the blame and responsibility," Mukherjee told the envoys in his opening address. "We have highlighted that the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan has to be dismantled permanently," he added.

Pakistan's government has offered to help in the investigation into the Mumbai attacks but has said that India has not shared any hard evidence about the alleged involvement of Pakistani citizens.

On Monday, however, India's Ministry of External Affairs handed over to Pakistan's acting high commissioner in New Delhi a letter that it said was written by the only surviving Mumbai gunman, Ajmal Amir Kasab, who was captured by Indian police.

"In his letter addressed to the Pakistan High Commission, Kasab has stated that he and the other terrorists killed in the attack were from Pakistan and has sought a meeting with the Pakistan High Commission," according to a written statement from the ministry.

In a background briefing, a senior government official said India is tired of the conflicting signals from Pakistan.

"We hear different voices from different places in Pakistan. Every day, different stories are floated. First we heard that Masood Azhar is arrested, then they say they do not know where he is," he said, referring to one of the fugitives India has demanded that Pakistan hand over. "If Lashkar-i-Taiba and Jamaat-ud-Dawa have been proscribed, then why is their Web site active and operational?" the official added.

An Interpol team also reached Mumbai on Monday. The team has begun seeking information about Kasab and the unclaimed bodies of the nine other gunmen, thought to be of Pakistani origin, who died in the three-day Mumbai siege.

India and Pakistan, longtime nuclear rivals, have fought three wars since the British partitioned the Indian subcontinent in 1947, creating both independent nations. An attack on India's Parliament in 2001 that India blamed on a Pakistan-based Islamist militant group brought the two nations to the brink of war.

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Post by: Monkeypox on December 22, 2008, 10:50:16 pm
Who's gonna drop the first nuke?
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: EchelonMonitor on December 22, 2008, 10:51:01 pm
Yeah, Rice went to India to give the orders.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 22, 2008, 10:53:02 pm
Yeah, Rice went to India to give the orders.

Wonder what THIS was about, then:
Arabs lavish jewels on Secretary of State Rice
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j71ITaw3U4ReQeiVDA1OJWEcJpAQD9583MEG0
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 22, 2008, 10:54:14 pm
Pakistan military on 'red alert'
http://www.daily.pk/local/other-local/8686--pakistan-military-on-red-alert.html
Written by www.daily.pk     
Tuesday, 23 December 2008 01:23
 
Pakistan media is reporting that the country's military is on high alert over a possible strike by India.

Monday's reports come after a ratcheting up of tension between the two countries following attacks in Mumbai last month which killed 163 people.

The local media attributed its reports to military sources, who were confirming that the navy, air force and army were on red alert.

"The Pakistani air force have been seen visibly in a number of locations flying close to the Pakistani-India border in what is being described as an aggressive patrolling mode, following reports that India is planning pre-emptive strikes against locations in Pakistan," reported.

"Chiefs of the three forces are meeting in what is being described as an emergency meeting in general headquarters in Rawalpindi.

"Only after the meeting is over will we come to know if it is a red alert or a heightened state of alert."

Hyder said that observers are saying that the Congress party in India has lost prestige due to the Mumbai attacks and, therefore, may try a show of strength in Pakistan.

Delayed civilian flights

The Reuters news agency quoted a Pakistan airline official as saying the Pakistani air force had conducted an exercise on Monday causing delays to two civilian flights.

"Two of our flights were delayed for some time because the PAF was conducting some exercises, but now everything is back on normal," Muhammad Latif, a spokesman for Pakistan International Airlines, said.

The flights were delayed at the airport in Lahore, near the Indian border, Latif said, while dismissing television reports of a high alert at Pakistani airports.
   
An air force spokesman declined to comment when asked about an exercise, saying only: "In view of the current environment, the PAF has enhanced its vigilance."

'No red alerts'

"I think the media is building up a scenario in which one may get the impression that we are close to war"

"This is not the stage that the two forces are going to go on that sort of alert."

But Brigadier-General Naeem Salik, a retired Pakistani military analyst, told from Islamabad: "There have been very threatening statements [from India] saying that they do not rule out military options, and they have been talking about punishing Pakistan.

"So it is obviously natural for Pakistan to heighten its alert levels and be on guard. We cannot let the Indians have a free-run and it is a response to what is happening across the borders."

Last week, Pakistan summoned a senior Indian diplomat in Islamabad to protest against recent alleged airspace violations by Indian warplanes.

Indian fighter jets had crossed into Pakistani airspace over Kashmir and Punjab province, the government said on December 13.

Pakistan said its own fighter jets were scrambled to chase off the intruders, but it also played down the incident by describing the violations as "technical" and "inadvertent".

India accepted violation of Pakistani airspace.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 10:55:02 pm
OH FCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 22, 2008, 10:57:54 pm
I don't know how credible this report is, but wtf is going on?!


PAF secures N-sites after tip-off
http://thepost.com.pk/Fb_ShortNewsT.aspx?fbshortid=3682&fcatid=14&fstatus=Current&bcatid=14&bstatus=Current
Fighter jets sent to counter possible strike | Vigilance enhanced
 
Agencies
 
ISLAMABAD: After confirmation of a report that Indian and Israeli air forces have planned an attack on Pakistan's nuclear installations, Pakistan Air Force sprang into action by sending its fighter jets into the air to thwart a possible air strike on Monday, according to reliable sources.

Pakistan's Nuclear Control and Command Authority was directed to take necessary measures to deal with any emergency situation.

It has also been learnt that anti-aircraft guns and missiles are being installed at the country's nuclear installations. PAF has been directed to remain on high alert until further orders. After reports of a likely attack, passenger flights to Dubai, India and Lahore were stopped for some time.

Sources said a secret meeting of Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, CIA, FBI, RAW and MI 5 was held in which a possible attack on Pakistan's nuclear installation s was discussed. Fighter jets flew over big cities in Punjab Monday as the armed forces were placed on red alert amid mounting tensions between Pakistan and India after the Mumbai attacks.

Sources in the Defense Ministry said PAF fighter planes flew over Lahore, the twin cities of Rawalpini and Islambad and along the Line of Control with a view to thwarting any airspace violation and checking operational preparedness.

PAF Spokesman Humayun Waqar Zafar said PAF fighter planes were involved in routine flights, so there was no need for any sort of panic or fear.

"In view of the current environment, PAF has enhanced its vigilance," he said.

He said PAF was fully committed and determined to give a befitting response to the enemy.

On the other hand, a high-level meeting under Joint Chief of Staff Committee General Tariq Majeed was held here on Monday.

Sources say that during the meeting a host of issues concerning national security came under discussion.

Gen Tariq Majeed took in confidence the military leadership on various matters including his recent visit to China, sources said.
 
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Post by: sociostudent on December 22, 2008, 11:02:00 pm
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=79254&sectionid=351020401

Pakistani fighter jets have conducted exercises near major cities amid tensions with India in the wake of last month's Mumbai terror attacks.

Several Pakistani Air Force (PAF) jets were seen flying close to the capital Islamabad and the eastern city of Lahore, Press TV correspondent reported Monday.

An air force spokesman declined to comment when asked about the exercise saying only: "In view of the current environment, the PAF has enhanced its vigilance."

The US, British and Indian officials have blamed Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba for the Mumbai attacks, which have provoked a sharp rise in rhetoric between the nuclear-armed neighbors who have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947.

Indian fighter jets had crossed into Pakistani airspace over Kashmir and Punjab province, the government said on Dec. 13. India, however, denied any violation of Pakistani airspace.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee says that New Delhi is keeping all options open in dealing with the situation.

The developments come as Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Michael Mullen arrived in Islamabad amid India's call for more pressure on Pakistan.

The US backs India, accusing Pakistan of providing a safe haven for Taliban, al-Qaeda and other terror groups - an excuse the US forces in Afghanistan use to pound Pakistani border towns.

JR/RA
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 11:02:37 pm
isreal has lost its fooking mind
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: nofakenews on December 22, 2008, 11:03:09 pm
Wonder what THIS was about, then:
Arabs lavish jewels on Secretary of State Rice
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j71ITaw3U4ReQeiVDA1OJWEcJpAQD9583MEG0

Yeah I was wondering about that seen on another news site.

Now we have a Mexican standoff.......
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 22, 2008, 11:03:26 pm
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200812230921.htm

The Hindu

India says all options open, forwards Kasab's letter to Pak

New Delhi/Islamabad (IANS): India Monday sought to put an end to Pakistan's "policy of denial" when it handed over a letter written by Mohammed Ajmal Amir alias Kasab, the lone Mumbai attacker in Indian custody, to the Pakistani envoy that he and his fellow gunmen were from Pakistan.

Intensifying international pressure on Pakistan, India exhorted the international community to do "much more" to dismantle the "terror infrastructure in Pakistan which has become the greatest threat" to world peace and stability.

New Delhi also stressed that although it has acted with "utmost restraint" so far, it had not "closed any options", including a military strike, if Islamabad did not fulfill its anti-terror pledge.

The speculation about a possible military strike by India has alarmed the US, which feels that any such military conflict could frustrate its planned surge to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, arrived in Islamabad with a tough no-nonsense message from Washington asking Pakistan to act urgently to dismantle terror outfits in that country.

US Ambassador David C. Mulford met Home Minister P. Chidambaram in New Delhi Monday to discuss the evidence in the Mumbai terror attacks and ways to strengthen intelligence sharing between the two countries.

In a decisive step to furnish evidence of the complicity of Pakistan-based elements in the Mumbai attacks, India's external affairs ministry called Pakistan's acting high commissioner Afrasiab and handed over to him the letter Kasab to wrote to the Pakistan govenment.

"In his letter addressed to the Pakistan High Commission, Kasab has stated that he and the other terrorists (who were) killed in the attack were from Pakistan and has sought a meeting with the Pakistan High Commission," external affairs ministry spokesperson Vishnu Prakash told reporters.

While Kasab was captured, nine others were killed in gun battles with commandos.

Kasab, in the custody of Mumbai Police, has sought legal aid from Pakistan as no lawyer in India has come forward to defend him in court.

By handing over the letter, India seeks to end weeks of denial and diversionary tactics by the Pakistani leadership which has denied that Kasab is a Pakistani national and also repudiated any link with the coordinated terror strikes in Mumbai which killed more than 170 people, including 22 foreigners.

Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Pakistan's High Commissioner to India Shahid Malik have denied that Kasab is a Pakistani national.

However, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif has said in an interview that Kasab comes from Fardikot village in Pakistan. Sharif even deprecated the curbs the Pakistani government and the intelligence agencies put on the movement of media peersons and visitors to Faridkot village, which he said was cordoned off.

Toughening India's posture in the face of repeated Pakistan's denial, External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee Monday said: "If there will be any military conflict, nobody declares it in media. We have kept all our options open."

"To achieve that objective (to bring the perpetrators of Mumbai terror attack to book) we are not closing any options because our people have died," Mukherjee told reporters.

"We will expect from Pakistan to do whatever they have committed to do and fulfill their promises as respectful member of the comity of nations," he said on the sidelines of a three-day conclave of 116 heads of India's missions abroad in New Delhi which began Monday.

"Unfortunately, Pakistan's response so far has demonstrated their earlier tendency to resort to a policy of denial and to seek to deflect and shift the blame and responsibility," he told Indian envoys while providing an overview of India's strategy in dealing with terrorism from Pakistan.

"We expect the civilian government of Pakistan to take effective steps to deal with elements within Pakistan who still continue the use of terrorism as an instrument of state policy," he said.

"We have so far acted with utmost restraint and are hopeful that the international community will use its influence to urge the Pakistani government to take effective action," he said, alluding to Islamabad's Jan 6, 2004, and Sep 24, 2008, pledges not to allow its territory to be used as a launching pad for terror attacks against India.

"While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem. We will take all measures necessary as we deem fit to deal with the situation."

This is the first meeting of the heads of Indian missions across the world. It is aimed at briefing envoys on leading diplomatic challenges in which India is expected to play a major role in days to come.

"Terrorism emanating out of Pakistan is acquiring an increasingly dangerous dimension and continues to threaten peace and stability in this region and beyond," Mukherjee said.

Referring to India's efforts to generate international pressure on Pakistan to force it to act against terror outfits, Mukherjee said: "We have highlighted that the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan has to be dismantled permanently. This terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan is the greatest terrorist danger to peace and security of the entire civilised world."

Islamabad, however, continued to remain in the denial mode.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Qureshi insisted that his country had not received evidence about Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai killings. He said India should provide evidence for further investigation.

Pakistan Air Force (PAF) jets flew over major cities amid reports quoting US sources that India may attack Pakistan. The PAF flights over Lahore and Rawalpindi created panic and generated rumours that India had launched an attack against the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and other jihadi organisations.

Television channels quickly went on the air to dispel the rumours. GEO TV, quoting a PAF spokesman, said the air force had only stepped up vigilance and was on high alert.

Other channels also quoted officials to say that Pakistani forces were on alert but dispelled speculation of an Indian attack. Media reports said all Pakistani airports are on high alert.
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Post by: sociostudent on December 22, 2008, 11:04:48 pm
News about Israel in the past hour:

More Rockets From Gaza
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/22/AR2008122201844.html
Israel must protect its citizens -- but can it do so by military action?

AFTER SIX months of relative calm, hostilities once again are escalating between Israel and the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip. Between Friday and yesterday some 60 rockets were fired from Gaza at Israel, whose air force responded with strikes against the launchers. So far there have been no serious injuries on the Israeli side, and one Palestinian has been reported killed. But the ugly slide from here is easy to foresee: more rockets fall, and Israel steps up its airstrikes; Hamas turns from homemade rockets fired by proxies to Iranian-made missiles that can reach large Israeli cities. In the last instance, Israel could finally launch the ground invasion of Gaza it has frequently threatened, triggering a bloody conflict that could spread to the West Bank and Lebanon.

Neither side seems to want such an all-out fight -- particularly not Israel, whose defense minister has pointed out that an invasion could cost hundreds of lives and leave thousands of Israeli troops stranded in Gaza without an exit strategy. But neither Israel nor Hamas has been satisfied with the informal cease-fire they reached in June with the help of Egypt. During the summer and fall, the rocket fire from Gaza diminished but never entirely stopped. Israel, in turn, allowed only a modest increase in the flow of goods into Gaza, which has been under virtual siege since last year, and frequently sealed off the strip entirely in response to fresh attacks.
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Hamas's Damascus-based leadership appears to have imposed a decision to end the cease-fire upon its administration in Gaza, which will have to live with the resultant suffering. The aim appears to be to force Israel to lift the blockade on the territory, something it is already under growing international pressure to do. If so, Hamas may have calculated poorly. Israel is in the midst of a heated election campaign, and its two leading candidates are taking a predictably hawkish tack: Both promised over the weekend to "topple" the Hamas government. With the United States in the middle of a presidential transition, Israeli military action against Hamas is unlikely to prompt a significant response from Washington.

But an increasing number of Israeli thinkers are pointing out that the prevailing strategy of trying to isolate and destroy Hamas while building up the rival Palestinian leadership in the West Bank hasn't worked. Some 200,000 Gazans recently turned out for a rally in support of Hamas; a war would only strengthen the movement's most radical factions. Israeli officials rightly point out that no country should have to tolerate missile attacks on its cities; such attacks justify a military response. But Israel would be better positioned to defeat Hamas politically and diplomatically if it allowed the full resumption of food, medicine and fuel deliveries to Gaza and made clear its willingness to end other restrictions on civilian trade in exchange for a full cessation of rocket attacks and other hostilities. If Hamas is to be toppled, it will have to be through a political process led by Palestinians.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 11:06:55 pm
what if this bright star that is to appear is a damn nuke?
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 22, 2008, 11:08:04 pm
India threatens to act if world doesn’t
http://www.dawn.com/2008/12/23/top1.htm
By Jawed Naqvi

NEW DELHI, Dec 22: India urged the international community on Monday to press Pakistan to weed out from its soil runaway terrorists who it says were behind the recent massacre in Mumbai and posed a great threat to global security.

Briefing Indian ambassadors from different world capitals, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said New Delhi was also aware that eventually it might have to deal with the problem on its own and it was keeping all options open for this.

“We have so far acted with utmost restraint and are hopeful that the international community will use its influence to urge Pakistani government to take effective action,” Mr Mukherjee said. “While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem. We will take all measures necessary, as we deem fit, to deal with the situation.”

In a rare reference to the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (Saarc), usually relegated to the backseat in moments of crisis like the current one triggered by the Mumbai attacks, Mr Mukherjee claimed credit for helping the group make its transition from rhetoric to action. But even in this Pakistan was not up to the mark, he said.

“In our neighbourhood we have continued with our efforts to deepen engagement, either bilaterally or multilaterally and even by assuming a built-in asymmetry in responsibilities. An objective assessment shows that this policy has yielded results except with Pakistan,” he said.

“The recent terrorist attack on Mumbai was unprecedented both in terms of its scale and audacity,” the minister said. “This and the series of terrorist incidents preceding it, including the attack on our embassy in Kabul where we lost our colleagues, indicate that terrorism emanating out of Pakistan is acquiring an increasingly dangerous dimension and continues to threaten peace and stability in this region and beyond.”

India had so far worked at several levels, he said. “At the international level we have sought the support of the international community to put pressure on Pakistan to deal effectively with terrorism. We have highlighted that the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan has to be dismantled permanently.”

India was not saying this just because it was affected but because it believed that it would be good for the entire world and also for Pakistani people and society, he said.

“This terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan is the greatest terrorist danger to peace and security of the entire civilised world,” Mr Mukherjee said. There had been some effort so far by the international community but this was not enough, he said.

“Much more needs to be done and the actions should be pursued to their logical conclusion. We need effective steps not only to bring those responsible for the Mumbai attacks to justice, but also to ensure that such acts of terrorism do not recur,” Mr Mukherjee said.

“Unfortunately, Pakistan’s response so far has demonstrated their earlier tendency to resort to a policy of denial and to seek to deflect and shift the blame and responsibility. We expect the civilian government of Pakistan to take effective steps to deal with elements within Pakistan who still continue to use terrorism as an instrument of state policy.”

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Post by: OldSchool on December 22, 2008, 11:11:00 pm
Wonder what THIS was about, then:
Arabs lavish jewels on Secretary of State Rice
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j71ITaw3U4ReQeiVDA1OJWEcJpAQD9583MEG0

I was just reading an AP article about this. It seems that quite a few of the Neo's were getting bribes..........er........christmas gifts from the other pawns and bishops. Condi onl got $316,000 worth of 'gifts' this year :(

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/RICE_GIFTS?SITE=FLDAY&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 11:11:50 pm
Ezekiel (Chapter 38) :1-23, the section which contains the named references, is provided below in extenso (emphasis added) and wikified slightly:

   1. And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
   2. Son of man, set thy face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
   3. And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
   4. And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
   5. Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
   6. Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
   7. Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
   8. After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
   9. Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
  10. Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
  11. And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; 'I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
  12. To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
  13. Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
  14. Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know [it]?
  15. And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
  16. And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
  17. Thus saith the Lord GOD; [Art] thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days [many] years that I would bring thee against them?
  18. And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, [that] my fury shall come up in my face.
  19. For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
  20. So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
  21. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
  22. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that [are] with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
  23. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 11:14:03 pm
f**king a they may try a pincher attack on pakistan

http://quranbible.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/middle_east_951.jpg
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 22, 2008, 11:14:21 pm
Dec 23, 2008
India to take military route?
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_317762.html  

NEW DELHI - INDIA'S refusal to rule out a military response to the Mumbai attacks is a diplomatic strategy that hides the limited options open to the government, analysts say.
Under intense domestic pressure to take decisive and forceful action over the attacks - which it blames on Pakistan-based militants - India faces numerous problems in formulating a proportionate plan of action.

Topping the list is the knowledge that a cross-border strike of any nature runs the risk of a swift and highly dangerous military escalation between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

Another key question is who would be the target of any such operation.

There is a growing international consensus that the Islamist gunmen who killed 163 people in Mumbai came from Pakistan, but there are fewer takers for the charge that the government in Islamabad played a direct role.

For the moment at least, India seems to favour a policy of 'coercive diplomacy' - aggressively mobilising world opinion against Pakistan for providing a safe haven for militant groups.

But on Monday, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee made it clear that New Delhi's patience had limits.

Noting that India had so far acted with the 'utmost restraint', Mr Mukherjee said it could not afford to just stand back and rely on others.

'While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem,' he said.

Asked whether a military response was being considered, he stuck to the line that India was exploring 'all options'. Despite the threat implicit in that statement, analysts including retired Indian army general Afsir Karim doubt that 'unilateral military action' is either a realistic or productive option.

It could, on the contrary, 'provide a fillip to insurgency' Mr Karim said, pointing to the example of US military action in Afghanistan and Iraq.

'Any military action has to be deliberate, its political goals and objectives clear,' Mr Karim said, arguing that India's 'best bet' was to forge a global coalition that could pressure Pakistan 'to dismantle the infrastructure of terror'. Analyst C. Uday Bhaskar agreed that India's options were restricted.

'Concerted global diplomatic action is the only way to defeat terrorism. No one country has the answer to it,' he said.

The pressure on the government to do something is compounded by looming general elections in which the national security issue is sure to figure prominently.

Former foreign secretary Lalit Mansingh said the government had 'lost a lot of credibility' for its failure to prevent a series of attacks on Indian soil this year that have claimed more than 400 lives.

A government source, meanwhile, told AFP that India's response to Mumbai 'will be a carefully calibrated one' with investigations into the Nov 26-29 siege yet to be completed.

New Delhi has been sharing communication intercepts and information gleaned from the lone surviving gunmen with the United States and Britain.

India has demanded stern action against Islamist groups based in Pakistan, as well as the arrest and extradition of individuals it accuses of planning attacks on Indian soil.

So far, however, the only concrete consequence of the attacks has been to freeze the peace dialogue that India and Pakistan launched in 2004 - a process that was making only limited progress before the carnage in Mumbai. -- AFP
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 11:16:17 pm
holy crap
look at this guys

move forces into afghanistan then india's troops from the other side
then iraq from the west

holy crap
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: OldSchool on December 22, 2008, 11:22:46 pm
holy crap
look at this guys

move forces into afghanistan then india's troops from the other side
then iraq from the west

holy crap

Yep. And as soon as they gain stable military outposts in those areas, then they can better instigate Iran....... either way, it doesn't look too good.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 11:23:53 pm
Yep. And as soon as they gain stable military outposts in those areas, then they can better instigate Iran....... either way, it doesn't look too good.

afghanistan has kandahar airbase (sp) theres enough bases to start this, isreal will strike iran first then all else will follow
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 22, 2008, 11:25:15 pm
Hey guys, Pakistan's AP just came out with this about half an hour ago:
Pakistan committed to maintain peace in region
http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62803&Itemid=2
ISLAMABAD, Dec 22 (APP): Minister of State for Defence Production Sardar Salim Haidar Khan on Monday said that government is making efforts and playing its role effectively to reduce tension in the region.

“Pakistan has always worked for peace in South Asia and we would continue to play our role to defuse tension between Pakistan and India and reducing  any possibility of war,” the minister said in a statement.

He said that Pakistan has taken action against the Jamat‑ud‑Dawa following the UN Resolution. “Pakistan is a responsible state and fulfills its international obligations.”

He said Pakistan has accepted UN Resolution regarding ban on Jamat‑ud‑Dawa to remove the concerns of international community.

Sardar Salim Haidar Khan said “Pakistan too is victim of terrorism and its elected democratic government is fully committed to control terrorism.”

He said some non state actors want to increase tension in the region. He added these non‑state actors are behind terrorist attacks in Mumbai. “India  has to trust on Pakistan’s commitment and its efforts in fight against  terrorism.”

He said India should give evidence to Pakistan regarding any involvement of Pakistani citizen in Mumbai attack, adding, the government will investigate such evidence if provided.

However the minister made it clear that if such evidences are proved true than Pakistan will take action against responsibles according to its own law  and no Pakistani citizen will be handed over to India.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: nofakenews on December 22, 2008, 11:25:42 pm
afghanistan has kandahar airbase (sp) theres enough bases to start this, isreal will strike iran first then all else will follow

Russia just sold missiles to iran but guess what it was a lie!!!!!!!!! http://www.startribune.com/world/36603159.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUss
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 11:27:20 pm
guys check this out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ezekiel_Option
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 22, 2008, 11:29:58 pm
US, UK not doing enough to rein in Pak: Pranab
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/US_UK_not_doing_enough_to_rein_in_Pak_Pranab/articleshow/3877381.cms
23 Dec 2008, 0505 hrs IST, TNN

NEW DELHI: India on Monday made plain its displeasure with US and UK for not doing enough to get Pakistan to fulfil its promise of action against jihadi terrorists behind 26/11 and other terror attacks, saying it would be forced to disregard the call for restraint if Islamabad was not made to behave.

The blunt warning, indicating that the country was chaffing at calls for restraint in the face of Pakistan's cussedness, was sounded by external affairs minister Pranab Mukherjee, triggering a belligerent response from Islamabad, in a reminder of the build-up after the attack on Paliament which almost triggered a full-scale war.

Mukherjee, who was addressing a global conference of more than 122 Indian envoys, said that India would have to "deal with this problem" on its own, since international action against Pakistan had not been enough.

"Much more needs to be done and the actions should be pursued to their logical conclusion... We will take all measures necessary as we deem fit to deal with the situation," Mukherjee said in remarks that were interpreted by many to suggest that India was considering unilateral steps.

The growing resolve to punish Pakistan's outrageous behaviour, irrespective of the international concern about a flare-up between two nuclear armed nations, came amid clear signs of India's waning patience.

On Saturday, the political leadership discussed the option of precision strikes against terrrorist targets on Pakistan-controlled territory. This marked the end of India's restraint, in the face of Pakistan's assurances made under pressure from the international community.

On Sunday, the US, which had publicly expressed satisfaction with Pakistan’s response to India's demands, suddenly switched gears with secretary of state Condoleezza Rice stating that the Mumbai attacks could not be "swept under the carpet". The US would not have tried to lean hard on Pakistan at this juncture, had it not been convinced that India meant business.

In another development which mirrored the gravity of the situation, the US joint chiefs of staff Mike Mullen visited Islamabad for the second time in the recent past to convince the Pakistanis. It is believed that Mullen warned Pakistan in no uncertain terms that things would go out of hand if it did not respond to India's demands.

Pakistan's behaviour has been along known lines, using promises of good behaviour when faced with threats from India and others only to revert to their usual ways once pressure was off. India has made it clear that it would not be taken in by pledges, signaling to the world that it would not hesitate to use force if Pakistan continued with the "shift and deflect" manoeuvre. India has put all processes with Pakistan on "pause", said sources.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Monkeypox on December 22, 2008, 11:31:14 pm
guys check this out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ezekiel_Option

Err, it's a Christian Novel, correct?


 ???



Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 11:32:35 pm
ignore the christian overtones people set this aside now
also check jerusalem countdown by pastor hagee, this man is hinting at such events that are happening now
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 22, 2008, 11:33:01 pm
In his book Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World, Hagee interprets the Bible to predict that Russia and the Islamic states will invade Israel and will be destroyed by God. This will cause the antichrist, the head of the European Union, to create a confrontation over Israel between China and the West. A final battle between East and West at Armageddon will then precipitate the Second Coming of Christ.[26] Hagee asserts that "the reason for the continual conflict over the city of Jerusalem is theology," because, he maintains, the Qur'an instructed believers "to kill and maim anyone who did not believe in Allah or in Muhammad his prophet."[27] He also claims that when Jeremiah prophesied in the Bible that "I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks," he was foreseeing The Holocaust. "The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear," Hagee writes. "No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler's Nazis drove the Jewish people back to the only home that God ever intended for the Jews to have—Israel."[28] He has made the same claim in a sermon.[29]
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: voodo0 on December 22, 2008, 11:33:21 pm
Pakistan military on 'red alert'         
WRITTEN BY WWW.DAILY.PK     
TUESDAY, 23 DECEMBER 2008 01:23
Pakistan media is reporting that the country's military is on high alert over a possible strike by India.
Monday's reports come after a ratcheting up of tension between the two countries following attacks in Mumbai last month which killed 163 people.

The local media attributed its reports to military sources, who were confirming that the navy, air force and army were on red alert.

"The Pakistani air force have been seen visibly in a number of locations flying close to the Pakistani-India border in what is being described as an aggressive patrolling mode, following reports that India is planning pre-emptive strikes against locations in Pakistan," reported.

"Chiefs of the three forces are meeting in what is being described as an emergency meeting in general headquarters in Rawalpindi.

"Only after the meeting is over will we come to know if it is a red alert or a heightened state of alert."

Hyder said that observers are saying that the Congress party in India has lost prestige due to the Mumbai attacks and, therefore, may try a show of strength in Pakistan.

Delayed civilian flights

The Reuters news agency quoted a Pakistan airline official as saying the Pakistani air force had conducted an exercise on Monday causing delays to two civilian flights.

"Two of our flights were delayed for some time because the PAF was conducting some exercises, but now everything is back on normal," Muhammad Latif, a spokesman for Pakistan International Airlines, said.

The flights were delayed at the airport in Lahore, near the Indian border, Latif said, while dismissing television reports of a high alert at Pakistani airports.
  
An air force spokesman declined to comment when asked about an exercise, saying only: "In view of the current environment, the PAF has enhanced its vigilance."

'No red alerts'

"I think the media is building up a scenario in which one may get the impression that we are close to war"

"This is not the stage that the two forces are going to go on that sort of alert."

But Brigadier-General Naeem Salik, a retired Pakistani military analyst, told from Islamabad: "There have been very threatening statements [from India] saying that they do not rule out military options, and they have been talking about punishing Pakistan.

"So it is obviously natural for Pakistan to heighten its alert levels and be on guard. We cannot let the Indians have a free-run and it is a response to what is happening across the borders."

Last week, Pakistan summoned a senior Indian diplomat in Islamabad to protest against recent alleged airspace violations by Indian warplanes.

Indian fighter jets had crossed into Pakistani airspace over Kashmir and Punjab province, the government said on December 13.

Pakistan said its own fighter jets were scrambled to chase off the intruders, but it also played down the incident by describing the violations as "technical" and "inadvertent".

India accepted violation of Pakistani airspace.

http://www.daily.pk/local/other-local/8686--pakistan-military-on-red-alert.html
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: voodo0 on December 22, 2008, 11:35:19 pm
In his book Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World, Hagee interprets the Bible to predict that Russia and the Islamic states will invade Israel and will be destroyed by God. This will cause the antichrist, the head of the European Union, to create a confrontation over Israel between China and the West. A final battle between East and West at Armageddon will then precipitate the Second Coming of Christ.[26] Hagee asserts that "the reason for the continual conflict over the city of Jerusalem is theology," because, he maintains, the Qur'an instructed believers "to kill and maim anyone who did not believe in Allah or in Muhammad his prophet."[27] He also claims that when Jeremiah prophesied in the Bible that "I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks," he was foreseeing The Holocaust. "The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear," Hagee writes. "No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler's Nazis drove the Jewish people back to the only home that God ever intended for the Jews to have—Israel."[28] He has made the same claim in a sermon.[29]

wow, interesting eh?
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 22, 2008, 11:36:35 pm
India steps up war signals against Pak
India's Congress Chief Sonia Gandhi says her country is capable of giving a 'befitting reply' to those using Pakistan soil for promoting terrorism.
http://www.haber27.com/news_detail.php?id=17978
23 Aralık 2008 Salı 00:56

Pakistan has "failed to halt the use of its soil by terrorists", Gandhi told an election rally in Dablehar, about 30 km west of Jammu, adding that India was 'quite competent' to respond to such attacks.

"Let me make it clear to our neighboring country (Pakistan) that we have all the competence and power to give a befitting reply to the use of its soil by terrorists, who mount assaults on India," she declared to a cheering crowd near the Indo-Pak border belt on Sunday.

'Our yearning for peace should not be taken for weakness', she said, adding that 'terrorism continues to spring out of our neighborhood.'

She also voiced disappointment over Pakistan's failure to reciprocate India's efforts for better ties.

"We have tried to build friendly relations but it is a matter of regret that they have not understood our feelings," she said addressing a rally for the final phase of assembly elections in Jammu and Kashmir.

The remarks came three weeks after New Delhi blamed the supposed Pakistan-based militant group, Lashkar-e-Taiba for orchestrating the November 26 attacks on Mumbai, which left around 200 dead.

Earlier Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said that the government was keeping all options open in dealing with the situation.

Also, a US intelligence agency said that the Indian military had prepared operations against targets in Pakistan and awaited the signal to go forward.

"These most likely would take the form of unilateral precision strikes inside Pakistan-administered Kashmir, along with special forces action on the ground in Pakistan," Global Intelligence Service, Stratfor said in its latest report.

US, Indian and British officials claim to have clear evidence suggesting that the attacks originated in terrorist training camps inside Pakistan.

Islamabad has expressed its desire for peace but warned New Delhi of an effective response, should India launch an attack on Pakistan
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Post by: voodo0 on December 22, 2008, 11:40:58 pm
PAF secures N-sites after tip-off

Fighter jets sent to counter possible strike | Vigilance enhanced

Agencies


ISLAMABAD: After confirmation of a report that Indian and Israeli air forces have planned an attack on Pakistan's nuclear installations, Pakistan Air Force sprang into action by sending its fighter jets into the air to thwart a possible air strike on Monday, according to reliable sources.

Pakistan's Nuclear Control and Command Authority was directed to take necessary measures to deal with any emergency situation.

It has also been learnt that anti-aircraft guns and missiles are being installed at the country's nuclear installations. PAF has been directed to remain on high alert until further orders. After reports of a likely attack, passenger flights to Dubai, India and Lahore were stopped for some time.

Sources said a secret meeting of Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, CIA, FBI, RAW and MI 5 was held in which a possible attack on Pakistan's nuclear installation s was discussed. Fighter jets flew over big cities in Punjab Monday as the armed forces were placed on red alert amid mounting tensions between Pakistan and India after the Mumbai attacks.

Sources in the Defense Ministry said PAF fighter planes flew over Lahore, the twin cities of Rawalpini and Islambad and along the Line of Control with a view to thwarting any airspace violation and checking operational preparedness.

PAF Spokesman Humayun Waqar Zafar said PAF fighter planes were involved in routine flights, so there was no need for any sort of panic or fear.

"In view of the current environment, PAF has enhanced its vigilance," he said.

He said PAF was fully committed and determined to give a befitting response to the enemy.

On the other hand, a high-level meeting under Joint Chief of Staff Committee General Tariq Majeed was held here on Monday.

Sources say that during the meeting a host of issues concerning national security came under discussion.

Gen Tariq Majeed took in confidence the military leadership on various matters including his recent visit to China, sources said.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 22, 2008, 11:46:45 pm
Hey guys, Pakistan's AP just came out with this about half an hour ago:
Pakistan committed to maintain peace in region
http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62803&Itemid=2
ISLAMABAD, Dec 22 (APP): Minister of State for Defence Production Sardar Salim Haidar Khan on Monday said that government is making efforts and playing its role effectively to reduce tension in the region.

“Pakistan has always worked for peace in South Asia and we would continue to play our role to defuse tension between Pakistan and India and reducing  any possibility of war,” the minister said in a statement.

He said that Pakistan has taken action against the Jamat‑ud‑Dawa following the UN Resolution. “Pakistan is a responsible state and fulfills its international obligations.”

He said Pakistan has accepted UN Resolution regarding ban on Jamat‑ud‑Dawa to remove the concerns of international community.

Sardar Salim Haidar Khan said “Pakistan too is victim of terrorism and its elected democratic government is fully committed to control terrorism.”

He said some non state actors want to increase tension in the region. He added these non‑state actors are behind terrorist attacks in Mumbai. “India  has to trust on Pakistan’s commitment and its efforts in fight against  terrorism.”

He said India should give evidence to Pakistan regarding any involvement of Pakistani citizen in Mumbai attack, adding, the government will investigate such evidence if provided.

However the minister made it clear that if such evidences are proved true than Pakistan will take action against responsibles according to its own law  and no Pakistani citizen will be handed over to India.

It's strange how Pak is practically bending over backwards, even offered India to have a joint investgation, yet India keeps rejecting any peaceful actions that Pak offers. Instead, India keeps beating the war drums louder and louder. Pak is nothing but a scapegoat.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 22, 2008, 11:48:20 pm
It's strange how Pak is practically bending over backwards, even offered India to have a joint investgation, yet India keeps rejecting any peaceful actions that Pak offers. Instead, India keeps beating the war drums louder and louder.

Yep, it's like they can't WAIT to attack them or something.  ::)
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 22, 2008, 11:51:20 pm
anyone got any reports from iran or anything? hell russia today?!
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 22, 2008, 11:52:43 pm
No, but TIME just released this:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1868327,00.html?iid=tsmodule

Pakistan-India Tensions Mount Over Mumbai Terror
By Omar Waraich / Islamabad
Nearly a month since the Mumbai terror attacks that killed 163 people, India and Pakistan remain locked in a war of words, and cross-border tensions are rising. New Delhi is growing increasingly frustrated over what it sees as Pakistan's failure to act more decisively against Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the group blamed for the attacks, and Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), its affiliate charity. But Islamabad bristles at such criticism, noting that it has cracked down on JuD in line with a U.N. Security Council designation of the group as a terrorist organization, and arguing that unless India provides credible evidence to prosecute particular invididuals, Pakistan's hands are tied.
Tensions escalated Monday as Pakistani air force jets patrolled the skies over major cities while, across the border, the Indian Foreign Minister accused Pakistan of shifting "blame and responsibility." Residents in Islamabad and Lahore, the eastern capital of Punjab province near the Indian border, were alarmed by the sight of the jets swooping low over them. In a brief explanatory statement that made an opaque reference to India's alleged incursions into Pakistani air space last week, the Pakistan air force said that "in view of the current environment," it had, "enhanced its vigilance." (See pictures of the Mumbai massacre)

"[Pakistan's military] is trying to show to the Indians that it will not let incursions take place without being challenged," says analyst and retired general Talat Masood. Pakistani fears of a potential Indian military strike, which have simmered since the Mumbai massacre, were heightened Monday after Pranab Mukherjee, the Indian Foreign Minister, said that his country was keeping all its options open. While Mukherjee denied any intent to launch military action, he issued the latest in a series of stern salvos, demanding of Pakistan that "much more needs to be done," echoing remarks made by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in recent days. "We have highlighted that the infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan has to be dismantled permanently," Mukherjee told a gathering of Indian diplomats in New Delhi, adding that India has provided Pakistan evidence of the culprits, including satellite phone intercepts and a letter from Ajmal Amir Kasab, the sole surviving suspect, Reuters reported.

But Rehman Malik, the Interior Ministry chief who has been leading Pakistan's counterterrorism efforts, told TIME from Islamabad that his government was still awaiting concrete evidence from India. "Whatever action has been desired by the United Nations, we have taken," Malik said, referring to the crackdown on JuD and two other charities. The government on Sunday froze all bank accounts belonging to JuD, Malik said. Earlier this month, it moved to arrest 60 members of the group, barred 11 of its members from leaving the country and banned its publications (although the group's website is still active). It also claims to have sealed 109 of the group's offices and placed 16 schools and five clinics under government control, according to government documents seen by TIME. The arrested men include five members of JuD's "central leadership," listed as the group's founder Hafiz Muhammad Saeed; the head of its legal wing, Mufti Abdul Rehman; its head of public relations, retired Colonel Nazir Ahmed; the editor of its newspaper "Ghazwa" Ameer Hamza; and the alleged chief of operations of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhwi.

The documents also reveal that orders have been issued to prevent JuD from resurfacing under a different name, as occurred when Lashkar-e-Taiba members moved into its fold following the outlawing of the militant organization in 2002. JuD had been placed under surveillance that same year, when it stopped openly displaying its weapons, but amplified its criticism of the Pakistan government and began operating schools and clinics, according to the documents.

Malik insists that no further action will be taken until Pakistan receives evidence from India, adding that without it his government could be forced to release the men it has arrested. "They have been detained under the MPO [the Maintenance of Public Order Act, a Pakistani law that allows authorities to detain people for up to 90 days]. Tomorrow if they go to the court, they will say our action is mala fide, and the court is bound to listen to them. How can you restrict somebody's movement unless you have evidence?"

Although top British and U.S. officials have demanded that Pakistan act on evidence provided of Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks, Malik insists that his government has received no "material evidence" that would allow it to prosecute individuals. "Providing somebody's name and to say that he is a criminal, that is no evidence," he says. Despite the recent anti-terror pact between the British and Pakistani governments announced during Prime Minister Gordon Brown's visit to the region earlier this month, Malik signaled that there is little prospect of British authorities being allowed to interview the suspects Pakistan has detained. "There are certain procedures and laws of this country, they do not give access to investigators... But we have said, give us a list of questions and if they want, we can do it for them."
Malik did confirm that on Monday he received a letter from Ajmal Amir Kasab, the surviving Mumbai attacker currently in Indian custody. "We have received a letter written by Ajmal to the Pakistani High Commission in Delhi asking for legal help," he says. As recently as last week, President Zardari had expressed doubts in a BBC interview that Kasab was even Pakistani, but Malik says that although the suspect's name doesn't appear in Pakistani records, "the father and the mother's names mentioned" do exist.

The Pakistani government's position, which will likely be deemed intransigent by New Delhi and by Washington and London, may be a measure of the contending pressures bearing down on President Asif Ali Zardari and his shaky civilian government. As Indian demands and Western concerns have grown more vocal, Zardari's government has struggled to simultaneously respond and keep in check a restive army hard-wired for conflict with India, and also to contain rising domestic hostility toward a neighbor with which it had been keen to cement peace.

The Zardari government had prided itself on its efforts to reconcile with its counterparts in Afghanistan and India, inviting Afghan President Hamid Karzai to Zardari's inauguration, opening trade across Kashmir's Line of Control, and announcing that Pakistan would stand down on its first-strike nuclear capability. But over recent weeks, as the government's disapproval rating has soared to 76% according to a poll conducted by the International Republican Institute, broad sections of the media and political opposition have accused it of bowing too easily to foreign demands. And angry supporters of JuD, which remains popular for its relief work following the Kashmir earthquake, have taken to the streets to protest its banning.

"We are worried about a backlash," Malik concedes, citing mounting pressure from Pakistan's small but vocal religious parties. In the face of such local anger, many Pakistani analysts fear that greater Indian pressure could play into the hand of hawks in Pakistan. "The hype that is being generated by hawks on both sides, although they are a minority, has a momentum of its own," says Masood, the retired general and analyst. "It feeds into military action. What are these elements trying to achieve? There has to be joint cooperation if you want to achieve anything against the terrorists. The war is against them, not each other."
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 22, 2008, 11:57:09 pm
PAF flights panic twin cities residents
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C12%5C23%5Cstory_23-12-2008_pg11_4
Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: Tension gripped the twin cities of Rawalpindi and Islamabad when Pakistan Air Force (PAF) fighter aircraft came into the air amid reports that a state of high alert had been declared at all airports in view of the war drum being beaten in India.

No sooner had the PAF fighter jets came into the skies of the twin cities than the people came running out of their houses only to be greeted by the rumors of a war with India. Majority of women and children stayed indoors and watched the PAF Shaheens scouring the skies for enemy jets.

“It seems India has imposed a war on Pakistan despite continuous explanations from our government that no Pakistani was involved in the Mumbai attacks,” Tahir Khan, a resident, said while talking to Daily Times.

The print and electronic media offices received a deluge of phone calls, with the callers eager to know what exactly had caused the aircraft to come into the air. Wilayat Balti telephoned Daily Times offices to confirm if the situation was really worsening. People remained glued to TV sets to get the updates amid prayers that better sense prevailed on the leaderships on the two sides of the divide.

“War is no answer and no solution to any dispute because past wars between Pakistan and India have done nothing but destruction,” said a resident.

Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 22, 2008, 11:58:10 pm
And looks like Russia made a deal with the palestinians
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/35084

Moscow promises to support Palestine
Russia is ready to provide financial support to Palestine, Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said. Lavrov made the announcement at a meeting with the President of the Palestinian National Authority Mahmoud Abbas in Moscow. Lavrov also said that Russia was fully supportive of Abbas's policy in the Middle East.

It has been eight months since Mahmoud Abbas last visited Moscow, and in that period his political challenges have changed dramatically. Back in April he was hoping for the best, and now he is trying to avert the worst.

Air strikes, funerals, and vows to fight the enemy - the bloody circle continues as Hamas abandons a ceasefire, while contenders for Israel’s highest office promise to topple the Gaza leadership. The fragile peace process is once again on the brink of collapse.

Russia is a member of the ‘Quartet’ – along with the U.S., EU, and the UN – that seeks to broker peace in the Middle East. However, unlike other Quartet members, Russia recognises the legitimacy of Hamas, the Islamic party that controls the Gaza Strip. Moscow maintains ties with both Hamas and its rival party Fatah.

Nevertheless, the Russian Foreign Minister stressed Russia’s support for Abbas and called on all the parties to exercise restraint.

Speaking at a joint media conference, Sergey Lavrov said:

“The Russian government supports Mahmoud Abbas as the leader of Palestine in a variety of areas. First and foremost, this concerns the security efforts deployed by the Palestinian government. We are also ready to encourage co-operation in investment.”

The Palestinian leader responded by saying that he hoped “the upcoming Moscow conference on the Middle East will lay a good foundation towards peace in the region”.

”I want to say that we highly value Russia's role in the peace process,” Mahmoud Abbas added.

Abbas has also met with President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. The Russian and the Palestinian leaders discussed ways to co-operate on peace in the Middle East.

Medvedev thanked the Palestinian leader for visiting the Russian internal republic of Chechnya, and expressed hopes that more leaders would come to the region to witness the transformation of the area. Abbas also met with its president Ramzan Kadyrov and visited the tomb of his slain father Akhmat Kadyrov.

Abbas has become the first Arabic leader to visit Chechnya after the 1990s armed conflict in the North Caucasian region, when some forces in the Islamic world openly supported Chechen militants. Hosting an Arab leader in Chechnya means a lot for the Kremlin, which has long maintained Chechen militants were supported by Islamic terrorist networks.

“This is not your first time in Russia but recently the geography of your trips has widened - you’ve visited the city of Grozny in Chechnya. We think that’s very useful,” Medvedev said.

Now almost completely rebuilt, a decade ago Chechnya seemed as far away from peace as Palestine is now. Abbas even hinted the Chechen example may come in handy. “We had a chance to familiarise ourselves with the experience of the Chechen leadership both in political and social issues,” Abbas said.

Earlier on Monday, Abbas was honoured by Russia's Muslim leaders for his contribution in bringing peace to the region.

This is likely to be the last foreign visit for the Palestinian leader, whose term in office ends next month.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 23, 2008, 12:06:50 am
Pakistan on ‘high alert’
http://blastmagazine.com/the-blogs/terra/2008/12/pakistan-on-high-alert/
By Sachin Seth

Pakistani media is reporting that the country’s military is now on “high alert” over a possible attack by neighbour India, Al Jazeera reports.

The announcement came Monday after Indian officials handed over a letter by the last surviving terrorist from November’s Mumbai tragedy that killed nearly 170 people.

The letter confirmed accusations that all 10 terrorists hailed from Pakistan, India’s Foreign ministry reports.

The navy, air force and army are all on “red alert.”

Obviously, I don’t think attacking Pakistan is the answer.  These two countries have enough problems, starting a string of attacks between the two isn’t going to solve anything.

Then again, the people of India are demanding some sort of action be taken in response to these attacks, especially now since it has been confirmed that all attackers were from Pakistan.

Indian officials have said that they will “explore all options” to ensure Pakistan cracks down on these kinds of cross-border attacks.  They also called for more international pressure to be put on Pakistan, in an effort to make them co-operate in investigations.

I agree with that, there’s a lot more Pakistan can do.  They’ve arrested some people but refuse to really do anything with them.  Extraditing them to India makes sense to me, but not for them, since the arrested are citizens of Pakistan and many of them have no direct connection to the attacks.

No matter what happens, tensions are increasing between these two rivals, and will continue to increase until something groundbreaking happens.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Devotional Soul on December 23, 2008, 12:13:21 am
It seems Pakistan is being provoked to make the first move so they look more like the bad guys, as the Mumbai attacks have already done.  :(




Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 23, 2008, 12:14:15 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/21/AR2008122100364.html?hpid=sec-world

Suspected U.S. Strikes Kill Eight in Pakistan
By Ishtiaq Mahsud
Associated Press
Tuesday, December 23, 2008; Page A12

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan, Dec. 22 -- Suspected U.S. missile strikes killed eight people Monday in northwest Pakistan, where al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders are thought to be hiding, officials and witnesses said.

The identities of those killed in the two attacks -- the latest in a stepped-up U.S. campaign in the lawless region close to the Afghan border -- were not known.

Meanwhile, the government said an al-Qaeda-linked terrorist group was suspected of helping carry out the September suicide attack on the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, the capital.

Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik's charge against Lashkar-i-Jhangvi was the first time Pakistan has blamed a specific group for the bombing, which killed more than 50 people.

Monday's missiles struck about five miles apart just south of Wana, the main town in the South Waziristan tribal area, local security official Bakht Janan said. A house and a vehicle were destroyed in the attacks, which killed four people at each location, he said.

Witnesses told the Associated Press that an antiaircraft gun mounted on a vehicle fired on one of the drones before it launched a missile.

The United States has carried out more than 30 missile strikes since August in Pakistan's lawless, semiautonomous tribal areas, targeting al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters blamed for attacks in Afghanistan.

Although the missile strikes have killed scores of insurgents, Pakistan has criticized them as an infringement of its sovereignty and says they undermine its battle against extremism.

Most of the missiles are thought to be launched from unmanned spy planes that take off from Afghanistan. The United States rarely confirms or denies the attacks and has pushed Pakistan to crack down on fighters in the tribal areas.

Pakistan has arrested three people in the Sept. 20 Marriott truck bombing, but no one has been formally charged.
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Malik told lawmakers that assailants packed explosives into the truck in Jhang town in Punjab province, south of Islamabad. He said the plot was "assisted" by Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, but he gave no more details on the group's involvement.

Lashkar-i-Jhangvi is a Sunni Muslim insurgent group accused of killing hundreds of minority Shiites across Pakistan. Experts say that in recent years, it has formed links with al-Qaeda. The group has been accused of attacks against Westerners in Karachi and two assassination attempts against then-President Pervez Musharraf in 2003.


This is getting ridiculous. >:(
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 23, 2008, 12:15:43 am
PAF on alert as India talks war
http://dailymailnews.com/200812/23/news/dmtopstory01.html
By Our Diplomatic Correspondent

MUZAFARABAD—Pakistan fighter jets have undertaken flights in the air space of Muzafarabad and its adjoining areas, sources said. It may be mentioned here that earlier Pakistan’s fighter planes had also flown over Islamabad, Rawalpindi and Lahore. Meanwhile, high alert has been declared at all the air ports across the country. Pakistan Air Force sources have termed these flights as per normal routine and that the planes are safeguarding the country’s air space.
 
All the three Armed Forces have been placed on red alert amid mounting tensions between Pakistan and India after Mumbai Terrorist Attacks. Reliable Sources of Defense Ministry informed Online PAF fighter planes flew over twin cities, Lahore, Working Boundary and LoC in view to cope with any untoward incident thus checking their Operational Capabilities in this regard.

In this regard, Spokesman PAF Hamayun Waqar Zafar was of the view that PAF fighter planes were involved in routine flights making it clear that there is no need of any sort of panic or fear. In view of current environment PAF has enhanced its vigilance, he said He further made it clear that PAF is fully committed and determined to give a befitting response to any enemy. On the other hand, a high level meeting under Joint Chief of Staff Committee General Tariq Majeed was held here on Monday. Sources say that during the meeting host of issues concerning National Security came under discussion. Gen Tariq Majeed took in Confidence Military Leadership on various matters including his recent visit to China, Sources concluded.

ISPR spokesman Major General Athar Abbas has said there was no evidence about unusual movement of Indian army in Rajisthan sector. Earlier report received, indicated that India had deployed additional troops and war planes alongside Rajisthan sector and Indian Air Force had tightened security around key installations and more radars had been installed on borders, he added.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee has warned Islamabad to fulfill its promises otherwise be ready for Indian aggressive move. Addressing conference of Indian High Commissioners on Monday here, he said that New Delhi had demonstrated its utmost tolerance after Mumbai attacks but Islamabad did not fulfill its promises regarding action to be carried out against the terrorists. Mukherjee warned once again to fulfill its commitments otherwise all options are open including attack on militants’ hideouts inside Pakistan. He termed terrorism as threat for the peace and stability of the whole world including India and Pakistan; however, he urged international community to put pressure on Pakistan to root out terrorism form its land as their hideouts inside Pakistan are the threat for whole world. He reiterated Islamabad to hand over wanted men.

The Pakistani air force conducted an exercise on Monday causing delay to two civilian flights, an airline official said, as tension with old rival India simmered over last month’s attacks in Mumbai. “Two of our flights were delayed for some time because the PAF was conducting some exercises but now everything is back on normal,” said Muhammad Latif, a spokesman for Pakistan International Airlines, referring to the air force (PAF).
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 23, 2008, 12:17:37 am
This is almost funny.

U.S. military chief urges India and Pakistan work together
By Robert Birsel

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The top U.S. military officer has sought to defuse tensions between Pakistan and India, urging Islamabad to use the Mumbai attacks as an opportunity to work with India to fight extremism.

India and the United States have blamed Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) for the attacks which have provoked a sharp rise in rhetoric between the countries which have fought three wars since 1947.

U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen arrived in Pakistan on Monday on his second visit since last month's attacks and met army chief General Ashfaq Kayani and the head of the military's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, Lieutenant-General Ahmed Shujaa Pasha, the embassy said.

"Mullen encouraged the Pakistani leaders to use this tragic event as an opportunity to forge more productive ties with India and to seek ways in which both nations can combat the common threat of extremism together," the U.S. embassy said in a statement.

Tension between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan has simmered since last month's assault on India's financial heart, which killed 179 people, and Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said on Monday the armed forces were fully capable of defending the country if war eventuated.

Pakistan denies any links to the assault, blaming "non-state actors," and has promised to cooperate in investigations.

"He thanked both men for their efforts -- and the efforts of the Pakistani government -- to arrest members of Lashkar-e-Taiba and other extremist groups involved in the attacks," the embassy said in release on Tuesday.

Pakistan has detained scores of militants, including several top leaders, and shut offices and frozen the assets of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) group, which the United Nations says is an alias for the LeT. LeT was set up to fight Indian rule in Kashmir and has been linked by U.S. officials and analysts to Pakistan's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence military spy agency, who they say use it as a tool to destabilise India.

"INFRASTRUCTURE OF TERRORISM"

In response to the attack, India has put on hold a five-year old peace process that had brought better ties. It has also cancelled a cricket tour of Pakistan.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee told a meeting of Indian envoys from 120 countries on Monday the "infrastructure of terrorism in Pakistan" had to be dismantled permanently.

Mukherjee reiterated that India was keeping all its options open after the Mumbai attacks, comments the Indian media have widely interpreted to mean that a military response was still possible. Mukherjee said that was not his intent.

Amid the war of words, the Pakistani air force said it had "enhanced its vigilance" and Gilani said Pakistan's desire for peaceful coexistence should not be taken as weakness.

"If war is imposed upon us the whole nation would be united and the armed forces are fully capable of safeguarding and defending the territorial integrity," Gilani's office quoted him as telling Pakistan's high commissioner to India.

Army chief Kayani said Pakistan would give an equal response within minutes if India carried out a strike in Pakistan, the News newspaper reported.

(Editing by Augustine Anthony and Jeremy Laurence)
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 23, 2008, 12:18:54 am
Now IBN is saying a terror plot has been foiled. Claiming one is member of Pakistani army.

http://www.eyedig.us/index.php?tid=1085
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 23, 2008, 12:19:41 am
This kinda sounds romantic at first glance, but it's not....at all...

India flirts with military response to Mumbai attacks

24 minutes ago

NEW DELHI (AFP) — India's refusal to rule out a military response to the Mumbai attacks is a diplomatic strategy that hides the limited options open to the government, analysts say.

Under intense domestic pressure to take decisive and forceful action over the attacks -- which it blames on Pakistan-based militants -- India faces numerous problems in formulating a proportionate plan of action.

Topping the list is the knowledge that a cross-border strike of any nature runs the risk of a swift and highly dangerous military escalation between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

Another key question is who would be the target of any such operation.

There is a growing international consensus that the Islamist gunmen who killed 163 people in Mumbai came from Pakistan, but there are fewer takers for the charge that the government in Islamabad played a direct role.

For the moment at least, India seems to favour a policy of "coercive diplomacy" -- aggressively mobilising world opinion against Pakistan for providing a safe haven for militant groups.

But on Monday, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee made it clear that New Delhi's patience had limits.

Noting that India had so far acted with the "utmost restraint," Mukherjee said it could not afford to just stand back and rely on others.

"While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem," he said.

Asked whether a military response was being considered, he stuck to the line that India was exploring "all options."

Despite the threat implicit in that statement, analysts including retired Indian army general Afsir Karim doubt that "unilateral military action" is either a realistic or productive option.

It could, on the contrary, "provide a fillip to insurgency" Karim said, pointing to the example of US military action in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"Any military action has to be deliberate, its political goals and objectives clear," Karim said, arguing that India's "best bet" was to forge a global coalition that could pressure Pakistan "to dismantle the infrastructure of terror."

Analyst C. Uday Bhaskar agreed that India's options were restricted.

"Concerted global diplomatic action is the only way to defeat terrorism. No one country has the answer to it," he said.

The pressure on the government to do something is compounded by looming general elections in which the national security issue is sure to figure prominently.

Former foreign secretary Lalit Mansingh said the government had "lost a lot of credibility" for its failure to prevent a series of attacks on Indian soil this year that have claimed more than 400 lives.

A government source, meanwhile, told AFP that India's response to Mumbai "will be a carefully calibrated one" with investigations into the November 26-29 siege yet to be completed.

New Delhi has been sharing communication intercepts and information gleaned from the lone surviving gunmen with the United States and Britain.

India has demanded stern action against Islamist groups based in Pakistan, as well as the arrest and extradition of individuals it accuses of planning attacks on Indian soil.

So far, however, the only concrete consequence of the attacks has been to freeze the peace dialogue that India and Pakistan launched in 2004 -- a process that was making only limited progress before the carnage in Mumbai.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 23, 2008, 12:21:36 am
Now IBN is saying a terror plot has been foiled. Claiming one is member of Pakistani army.

http://www.eyedig.us/index.php?tid=1085


Yep.

Two soldiers, 15 militants killed in Pakistan's Swat valley

14 minutes ago

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) — At least 15 militants and two soldiers were killed Monday in gun battles in a restive area of northwest Pakistan rocked by a violent campaign to impose Islamic law, the military said.

Troops backed by helicopter gunships targeted militant hideouts in the Shakardara district of the Swat valley, a stronghold for fighters linked to the Taliban, it said in a statement.

"During a successful operation 15 militants were killed and several others were injured, and their dens and centres were destroyed," the military said.

"Two of our men also embraced martyrdom and two others were injured," the statement added.

The mountainous Swat valley was until last year a popular tourist destination featuring Pakistan's only ski resort.

But the region has been turned into a battleground since radical cleric Maulana Fazlullah, who has links to Pakistan's Taliban movement, launched a violent campaign for the introduction of Islamic Sharia law in the valley.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 23, 2008, 12:29:31 am
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,471326,00.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread421588/pg1
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: voodo0 on December 23, 2008, 12:35:02 am
The Indian's Upcoming Illegal War


India may have ruled out the military option against Pakistan in the aftermath of Mumbai terror attacks but the international intelligence community continues to believe that strikes in Pakistani Kashmir and elsewhere could still happen.
Global intelligence service Stratfor, in its latest report, said, "Indian military operations against targets in Pakistan have in fact been prepared and await the signal to go forward."

It added, "These most likely would take the form of unilateral precision strikes inside Pakistan-administered Kashmir, along with special forces action on the ground in Pakistan proper."

The private sector intelligence service said that unlike the massive movements of 2002 during Operation Parakram, India's preparations this time were more under the radar and not visible to the world at large. Its only indication was the fact that the Border Security Force (BSF) has been put on high alert on the western sector as well as the eastern sector — this paramilitary force's main mandate would be to prevent infiltration.

"Sources have indicated to Stratfor that New Delhi is going through the diplomatic motions in order to give Pakistan the opportunity to take care of the militant problem itself — but the Indians know that Islamabad has neither the will nor the capability to address their concerns," Stratfor said.

Three weeks after the attacks, India has gone out of its way to reassure everyone that it is not thinking of military action on Pakistan. This was most recently conveyed by Indian high commissioner to Pakistan Satyabrata Pal to Awami National Party chief Afsandyar Wali Khan in Islamabad earlier this week. But India continues to tell all its international interlocutors that its patience will not last long, particularly if Islamabad cannot crack down on terrorism.

India's actions thus far have been to build a kind of international consensus that the attacks were sourced in Pakistan. It has led to a huge spurt in international pressure on Pakistan to "do more" to combat terrorism. Almost every member of the international community also believes that the next attack in India would see the gloves come off.

http://www.daily.pk/pakistan/pakistannews/8628-the-indians-upcoming-illegal-war-of-aggression-india-may-still-strike-at-islamic-republic-of-pakistan.html
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 23, 2008, 12:36:44 am
PM meets Indian envoys, to turn the heat on Pak
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pm-meets-indian-envoys-to-turn-the-heat-on-pak/81147-3.html
CNN-IBN
Published on Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 09:20, Updated on Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:03


New Delhi: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will be meeting all the 120 heads of Indian missions from across the world in New Delhi on Tuesday and is expected to ask them to keep up building pressure on Pakistan.


The heads of Indian missions are in New Delhi to discuss Mumbai terror attacks, Pakistan's role in instigating the attacks and India’s diplomatic options.


External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee on Monday had inaugurated the two-day meet and briefed envoys on the diplomatic offensive mounted against Pakistan by India following the Mumbai terror attacks.


Addressing the meet, Mukherjee has also warned Pakistan that India has kept all its options open if Islamabad does not act against terror groups based on its soil.


"Terrorist infrastructure has to be dismantled permanently. Terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan is dangerous to peace and security of entire world," Mukherjee had said.


He had also demanded that the major powers of the world need to do more to tackle terrorism and said that the current effort by the global community is not enough.


Blaming Pakistan for supporting terror groups, the External Affairs Minister said, "Pakistan has unfortunately resorted to the policy of denial and is shifting the blame and responsibility. Elements within Pakistan still continue to use terrorists as an instrument of state policy."


Earlier, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had said Islamabad will have to fight terror or else terror will consume Pakistan.


"This really comes down to dealing with the problem, and that means Pakistan has got to do everything it can to help bring the perpetrators to justice," Rice said in an interview to Financial Times.


Meanwhile, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen is in Islamabad on Tuesday and is expected to meet Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari later in the day


Pakistan is still unconvinced about India's charges that all the 10 terrorists who attacked Mumbai in November were Pakistani saying there isn't enough proof.


According Pakistani media reports Pakistan Air Force is on a high alerts and has increased its surveillance.


Meanwhile, a Pakistani newspaper The Nation claims the Indian Air Force plans to hit targets in Lahore and Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir in the next 24 hours.


Interpol Secretary General Ronald K Noble, too, is in Pakistan and is likely to raise the issue of terrorists and criminals demanded by India.




Title: Suddenly, Pakistan's not the only one "not doing enough" against terrorism
Post by: sociostudent on December 23, 2008, 12:37:17 am
Now, the "WHOLE WORLD needs to "do more" against terrorism, not just Pakistan.  ::)

http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=809848&SMap=1

India Says World needs To Do More
12/23/2008 12:47 AM ET
(RTTNews) -  Pranab Mukherjee, India's External Affairs Minister has said that following last month's Mumbai terror attacks New Delhi has successfully managed to convince other countries to pressure Islamabad to act against non-state actors planning terror attacks from its soil, media reports said.

Addressing nearly 120 Indian heads of mission in New Delhi Monday he however said effort by the global community is not enough to get Pakistan to fulfill its promise of action against jihadi terrorists behind 26/11 and other terror attacks and much more needs to be done.

Asserting that the actions should be pursued to their logical conclusion, he said India would be forced to disregard the call for restraint if Islamabad was not made to behave.

"We need effective steps not only to bring those responsible for the Mumbai attacks to justice but also to ensure that such acts of terrorism do not recur," he said, almost echoing U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's earlier message to Pakistan.

The blunt warning, indicating that the country was chaffing at calls for restraint in the face of Pakistan's cussedness came amid clear signs of India's waning patience.

On Saturday, the political leadership discussed the option of precision strikes against terrorist targets on Pakistan-controlled territory amid reports that the Indian Air Force had cancelled the leave of its personnel to meet any emergency situation.

Earlier Sunday, the U.S., which had publicly expressed satisfaction with Pakistan's response to India's demands, suddenly changed its stance with Rice stating that Islamabad wasn't doing enough to eradicate terrorism from its soil and that the Mumbai attacks could not be "swept under the carpet".

The blunt message was conveyed by top American officials to Pakistan's national security adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani, who was summoned to Washington as the U.S. was "getting increasingly frustrated with what it views as Islamabad's shifty and shifting position on the Mumbai attacks and their aftermath."

by RTT Staff Writer
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 23, 2008, 12:40:06 am
Woah!!! IBN just said something about India plans to hit targets in Pak in 24 hours!!!

I don't know if they was talking about the Pak paper claiming it or was actual plans. But shit!!! This is getting serious!
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: voodo0 on December 23, 2008, 12:41:35 am
Woah!!! IBN just said India plans to hit targets in Pak in 24 hours!!!
>:(

Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 23, 2008, 12:51:14 am
India, Pakistan close to War? Air Force and Army on High Alert
http://www.breakingnewsonline.net/2008/12/india-pakistan-close-to-war-air-force.html

Breaking News! The strong statements from India's External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee and his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi give a strong indication that both India and Pakistan are close to war. Pakistani PM Yousuf Raza Gilani said that Pakistan is ready to defend itself in the event of a war.

Air vigilance has been stepped up in both countries, especially in Pakistan after Pranab warned Pakistan that India keeps all option open if Pakistan fails to deliver on its promises to crack down on terrorists. Pakistan scrambled its fighter jets over all major cities including Islamabad on Monday, sending a panic wave among its people. The fighter jets could be seen flying over Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Karachi and Lahore.

Once the news reached Delhi, India immediately swung into action by by deploying quick reaction air force and army teams on the Western border. The BSF is on high alert on Punjab border. Special Air Force units have been deployed at Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bhuj. Chandigarh-based 12 Wing of the Air Force Station has witnessed hectic activity on Monday.

As Pakistan continued to deny the involvement of its citizens in the Mumbai terror attacks despite the proofs given by India and other global community, India may lost patience sooner or later and forced to take a tough stance on Pakistan. Launching attack on the terror camps in PoK may be the first option for India. If both country go into war, it will push them at least two decades backward.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 23, 2008, 01:00:30 am
if pakistan has nukes
who is to stop them from using them
and this whole bright star thing
nuke?
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 23, 2008, 01:02:56 am
Truthseekerx, Obama and his folks just may be reading your mind:

http://www.diplomatictraffic.com/debate.asp?ID=690

Obama Team Ponders New Approach to Pakistan
Richard Weitz

According to diverse media reports, South Asian experts associated with incoming U.S. President Barack Obama are advocating that the next administration adopt a comprehensive, integrated, and fundamentally “new” approach towards Pakistan. The policies reportedly under consideration include increasing U.S. economic assistance, augmenting the transparency and accountability of U.S. aid flows, and working with a wider range of foreign countries and institutions seeking to promote Pakistan’s peace and security. Pakistani leaders have endorsed many of these policies in principle, but challenges remain.

BACKGROUND: An influential Obama adviser on South Asia, former CIA officer Bruce Riedel, has characterized Pakistan as “the most dangerous country in today's world.” Obama’s team worry that continued chaos in Pakistan could threaten a range of U.S. goals, including resolving the conflicts in Afghanistan and Kashmir, curbing nuclear nonproliferation, and promoting liberal, secular democracy in a Muslim country that has experienced long periods of military rule. Most seriously, it could allow al-Qaeda to develop further its incipient safe haven in northwest Pakistan, from which it could threaten new terrorist strikes against the United States and its allies.

American policies towards Pakistan became an important issue during the recent American presidential campaign. For example, Senator Obama said he would order unilateral military actions in Pakistan if U.S. policy makers had “actionable intelligence” about the location of senior al-Qaeda leaders and the Pakistani government proved unable or unwilling to move against the terrorists directly. Although Obama’s statement produced some controversy when issued, subsequent developments have made clear that the Bush administration has adopted this position and already expanded the range of U.S. military operations conducted across the Afghan-Pakistan border. The most controversial element of the new Bush strategy has been the use of U.S. Special Operations Forces in ground missions inside Pakistan.

Obama and his advisers have endorsed congressional efforts to provide a more equal balance between military and non-military aid to Pakistan. The Bush administration has provided approximately 11 billion USD in assistance to Pakistan since September 2001, including about 6 billion USD in “coalition support funds” that reimburse the Pakistani military for its contributions to Operation Enduring Freedom. Obama’s team fears too much of this assistance has gone to the Pakistani Army and that the provision of aid has often proved insufficiently transparent. They want to make future American assistance more accountable by increasing U.S. oversight

As a Senator, Joe Biden co-sponsored a bill that would provide for a major increase in U.S. non-military assistance for Pakistan. The Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act of 2008 would allocate 7.5 billion USD in social and economic aid to Pakistan over a 5-year period. Such assistance could help Pakistan establish an effective political and economic infrastructure—such as the transportation and electricity networks needed for the envisaged reconstruction opportunity zones—in areas recently liberated of Islamist extremists. It could also enhance the resources and authority of the civilian government and therefore bolster its currently tenuous control over the Pakistani military and intelligence services.

Obama has also expressed support for mediating the dispute between Pakistan and India over Kashmir. Some of his advisers have argued that the conflict has adversely affected Islamabad’s cooperation with Washington and Kabul because Pakistani policies often seem to be directed primarily at countering Indian influence in Afghanistan, including through the use of independent armed groups, rather than countering the Muslim extremists that have conducted terrorist operations in both India and Pakistan.

Similarly, the Obama team is seeking to expand the range of U.S. government, foreign countries, and international institutions that are engaged in promoting peace and prosperity in Pakistan. Within Washington, the incoming administration seeks to increase the involvement of the U.S. State Department and other non-military agencies in Pakistan in order to apply a wider range of foreign policy tools in an integrated manner. At the international level, Obama’s advisers hope to work with China, Iran, and other foreign governments and international institutions that have perhaps differed with the Bush administration regarding Pakistan in the pursuit of common objectives such as enhancing Pakistan’s economic and political stability.

IMPLICATIONS: Pakistan’s civilian leaders, including President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, have said they are open to expanding cooperation with Washington. The current government feels threatened by both the expanding Muslim militancy in Pakistan and the devastating effect of the world economic crisis on Pakistan.

The recent deterioration of Pakistan’s economy is driving Islamabad to cooperate with foreign governments and international institutions regarding terrorism and other issues. Pakistani officials lobbied hard for increased economic assistance from China, the United States, and the International Monetary Fund. The IMF eventually negotiated a $7.5 billion rescue package with Pakistan.

Pakistani leaders have shared the interest of the Obama team in seeking to secure long-term international support for the Pakistani economy through increased investment and trade concessions rather than short-term infusions of aid. While in New York earlier this month, President Zardari said that his government is “not asking for fish,” but “for the equipment and want to do our own fishing” from the Friends of Pakistan, a group of countries that seek to assist Pakistan meet its economic, political, and security goals.

Yet, the unilateral American air strikes on suspected high-value terrorist targets living in northwest Pakistan territory continue to cause problems. Pakistani officials vehemently challenged a recent Washington Post article in which unidentified U.S. officials claim that the Pakistani and American governments had negotiated a “tacit agreement” in September regarding the issue. The deal supposedly permitted U.S. missile strikes by unmanned aerial vehicles against anti-American targets in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). Pakistani officials agreed to limit their response to public criticisms, without pursuing stronger forms of retaliation. In return, American officials would neither confirm the strikes nor comment on Pakistani protests and related declarations.

The United States also supposedly agreed to suspend raids of U.S. Special Forces on Pakistani territory. One of these strikes - on September 3, when U.S. helicopters attacked a suspected terrorist base in Pakistan’s South Waziristan region, killing over a dozen people - evoked widespread condemnation in Pakistan. Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ashfaq Kayani subsequently threatened to shoot down any helicopters transporting American soldiers through Pakistani airspace without permission.

Pakistani officials have challenged CIA chief Michael Hayden to provide proof to substantiate his recent statement that Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan. A Pakistani government spokesperson stated that, “We have no intelligence and if there is any actionable intelligence the United States should share it with us, and we will act on it.” Despite their efforts to depreciate the bin Laden threat, Pakistani officials have requested that the United States supply high-tech equipment that will enhance Washington’s ability to counter infiltration across the Afghan-Pakistan border as well as to fight terrorists active in Pakistan.

CONCLUSIONS: The policies advocated by Obama’s advisers do not represent as sharp a break with the Bush administration as its supporters imply. The Bush administration has sought to address Pakistan within a regional context, provided both economic and military assistance, and used multilateral as well as unilateral tools. For example, the current U.S. government has authorized 750 million USD in aid for the FATA under its Sustainable Development Plan and has sought to promote initiatives under the Friends of Pakistan Group and other multilateral bodies, many of which also involve Afghanistan. The strategy under consideration would represent a change of emphasis but not a fundamentally new approach to Pakistan.

In addition, how the Obama administration might respond to conflicts among these goals is unclear. For example, an urgent task is stabilizing the military situation in the FATA as well as along the Afghan-Pakistan border. However, conducting unilateral American strikes in the area threatens to weaken support for the new Pakistani government, which the Obama team views as the best partner for American counterinsurgency operations in the region. On October 22, the Pakistani legislature adopted a joint statement endorsing an “independent” foreign policy for Pakistan and supporting the government’s opposition to encroachments against Pakistani territory by foreign militaries. Zardari reportedly pleaded with Obama to curtail the unilateral U.S. air strikes when he first spoke with Obama after the Senator’s election.

AUTHOR’S BIO: Richard Weitz is a Senior Fellow and Director for Project Management at the Hudson Institute. This article first appeard in the 11/26/2008 issue of the CACI Analyst: http://www.cacianalyst.org/?q=node/4988.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 23, 2008, 01:05:56 am
Rumours of war create panic in Pakistan

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Rumours_of_war_create_panic_in_Pakistan/articleshow/3875617.cms

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Air Force has increased its vigilance flights creating panic and sparking war rumours, as Defence Minister Ahmad Mukhtar
Chaudhry on Monday warned that the country had the potential and right to defend itself if forced to war.

"If India tried to thrust war, then the armed forces of Pakistan have all the potential and right to defend (the country)," Chaudhry told reporters, as he said the defence of Pakistan was in strong hands.

Chaudhry said India would never want war because "if it breaks out, then god forbid the situation might develop into a nuclear war."

He said Congress president Sonia Gandhi's statement relating to war with Pakistan was nothing but an election stunt.

Meanwhile, PAF jet flights over Lahore and Rawalpindi created panic sparking rumours that India had launched attack to target Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and offices of other jihadi organisations.

Mobile phone messages that have now become major source of information started circulating that PAF jets were flying to counter Indian attacks. However, television channels quoting officials were quick to dispel the rumours.

GEO TV quoting an official spokesman said PAF has increased vigilance and the flights over Rawalpindi and Lahore were inside Pakistan. The PAF is on high alert since reports of any possible attack by India.

"In the current environment, the PAF has enhanced its vigilance," PAF spokesman Air Commodore Humaun Viqar was quoted as saying. Other channels also quoted different officials that Pakistan forces were on alert but dispelled rumours of any attack.

However, residents in Islamabad and other cities came out of their homes and offices and started calling media organisations.

Reports said all airports of the country were also put on high alert. Flights bound for Dubai from Lahore and another from Quetta were halted while all entry passes at Lahore airport have been cancelled.

Sources said that such measures were taken for landing of the PAF aircraft in case of any emergency while they flew over Lahore and Rawalpindi.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: master S on December 23, 2008, 01:23:18 am
Realize what this is. The NWO is playing the extremist elements in both countries against each other with the hope of starting another regional war.  money will be made ,wealth will be siphoned away from these countries into the coffers of the bankers to keep their failing system afloat (at least a little while longer).  The Mumbai terror attacks were a joint operation of British born Pakistanis trained in irregular warfare backed by CIA, MI6, AND Mossad and right wing Hindus loosely associate with the ruling party in India (The NWO'S handmaidens if you will, typified by warmongers like Kissinger).  Most members of the Indian and Pakistani government are normally sane but have been driven brink of madness by these provacations. 
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 23, 2008, 01:23:41 am
Govt rushes Army Chief Gen Kapoor to J&K
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080077481&ch=12/23/2008%2012:26:00%20PM
NDTV Correspondent
Tuesday, December 23, 2008, (Srinagar)

Amid heightened tension between India and Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks, government today rushed Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor to Siachen Glacier and forward areas of Jammu and Kashmir to check the operational preparedness of the troops.

Government sources said that Gen Kapoor left for Siachen Glacier this morning and will be there for a day to interact with the unit commanders and senior officers, before returning to the Capital after taking stock of the situation.

The situation is tense at the border as Pakistan scrambled fighter jets over several major cities on Monday in a sign of increased "vigilance" amidst escalating tension.

India too had deployed quick reaction air force and army teams on the western border.

Air force units have also been deployed at Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bhuj. On the Punjab border, the BSF is on alert.

Pakistani jets roared over Islamabad, the nearby garrison city of Rawalpindi and other cities.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani pledged to defend the country, saying, "Pakistan is fully united" to face the situation "on the eastern border".

"All the political forces, whether inside or outside the parliament, the people of Pakistan, the government, and the armed forces are fully united for the defence of the country," he said, even as the aircrafts roared through the skies.

"The country is in safe hands and we have a highly professional and pro-democracy army. The army and the civilian government are united and we are ready to defend our country."

Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 23, 2008, 01:25:25 am
Realize what this is. The NWO is playing the extremist elements in both countries against each other with the hope of starting another regional war.  money will be made ,wealth will be siphoned away from these countries into the coffers of the bankers to keep their failing system afloat (at least a little while longer).  The Mumbai terror attacks were a joint operation of British born Pakistanis trained in irregular warfare backed by CIA, MI6, AND Mossad and right wing Hindus loosely associate with the ruling party in India (The NWO'S handmaidens if you will, typified by warmongers like Kissinger).  Most members of the Indian and Pakistani government are normally sane but have been driven brink of madness by these provacations. 

pakistan is controlled by western intelligence...
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: master S on December 23, 2008, 01:33:54 am
pakistan is controlled by western intelligence...
certainly the ISI and factions of the military, but not necessarily legislative and executive agencies. however aforementioned bodies are weak.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: xTruthSeekerx on December 23, 2008, 01:35:39 am
certainly the ISI and factions of the military, but not necessarily legislative and executive agencies. however aforementioned bodies are weak.

musharef was a complete puppet, we are looking at the final war here and it could come within the hours
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Devotional Soul on December 23, 2008, 02:36:09 am
Wow, I just realized that there will be a meteor shower tonight.  This is freaky because I believe someone who said WWIII would start with Pakistan and India, and there would first be a sign in the sky like a comet.  The comets will come closer in January and February.

http://transientsky.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/in-the-sky-this-month-december-2008/ (http://transientsky.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/in-the-sky-this-month-december-2008/)
The Ursids will produce up to 10 meteors per hour at their peak on December 22-23. That rate makes it a borderline major/minor shower though the Ursids have experienced a number of outbursts in the past. With a radiant near the “bowl” of Ursa Minor (the “Little Dipper”), this shower is also observable all night long though the best time to observe it is during the last hours of the night. More details on the Ursids and their parent comet, Comet Tuttle, will be posted later.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: voodo0 on December 23, 2008, 02:38:25 am
Wow, I just realized that there will be a meteor shower tonight.  This is freaky because I believe someone who said WWIII would start with Pakistan and India, and there would first be a sign in the sky like a comet.  The comets will come closer in January and February.

http://transientsky.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/in-the-sky-this-month-december-2008/ (http://transientsky.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/in-the-sky-this-month-december-2008/)
The Ursids will produce up to 10 meteors per hour at their peak on December 22-23. That rate makes it a borderline major/minor shower though the Ursids have experienced a number of outbursts in the past. With a radiant near the “bowl” of Ursa Minor (the “Little Dipper”), this shower is also observable all night long though the best time to observe it is during the last hours of the night. More details on the Ursids and their parent comet, Comet Tuttle, will be posted later.


wow, no sh*t
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: chrisfromchi on December 23, 2008, 03:28:46 am
Is this serious or overreaction?

only say this cause if it starts in a day or two...note that the mumbai attacks happened a day before our thanksgiving on the 26 of November, tomorrow is 23rd of december so thats a day before christmas eve and 2 days before christmas....man they are totally timing it to start during our holiday weeks then to further distract the public.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: voodo0 on December 23, 2008, 03:31:32 am
Is this serious or overreaction?

only say this cause if it starts in a day or two...note that the mumbai attacks happened a day before our thanksgiving on the 26 of November, tomorrow is 23rd of december so thats a day before christmas eve and 2 days before christmas....man they are totally timing it to start during our holiday weeks then to further distract the public.

i hope not.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: chris jones on December 23, 2008, 06:46:13 am


Our regime wants Pakistan, the coming regime of OBY has declared that he would attack Pakistan.

Seems as though Bushy and Oby are on the same channell????

Rcie open the box of shit for the NWO, now its going down the ol hatch. Russia stated they will back Paksitan.

Seems to me the chess pieces are on the move, the puppet masters are working overtime on this.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 23, 2008, 08:38:55 am
Indian police say terror strike foiled in Kashmir
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gaJkuxnV9Tc-1dJDoMnngyKIiwTg
1 hour ago

JAMMU, India (AFP) — Indian police said Tuesday they had foiled a major suicide strike in Indian-controlled Kashmir with the arrest of three Islamist militants, including a Pakistani soldier.

Under interrogation, the militants said they had been planning to drive a truck laden with explosives into a "vital installation," Jammu and Kashmir police chief Kuldeep Khuda said.

The three were waiting for delivery of the explosives and confirmation of the intended target when they were arrested, Khuda said.

The arrests came amid heightened tensions between India and Pakistan in the wake of the attacks in Mumbai, which New Delhi has blamed on a Pakistan-based militant group.

Khuda said the three suspects were all members of Jaish-e-Mohammad -- one of the main rebel outfits fighting Indian rule in the disputed Kashmir region.

They all received training in Pakistan, Khuda said, adding that one of the men, identified as Ghulam Fareed, was a soldier with the Azad Kashmir (Free Kashmir) regiment of the Pakistan army.

"These three had come to Jammu and they were to meet a guide, who was to come from the Kashmir Valley and provide them weapons for specific targeting," he said.

Kashmir is in the grip of a nearly two-decade old insurgency against Indian rule that has left more than 47,000 people dead, according to official Indian figures.

The Himalayan region is divided into Indian and Pakistan-controlled zones and has been the trigger for two wars between the South Asian rivals since independence from Britain in 1947.

The Mumbai attacks in which 172 people were killed -- including nine militant gunmen -- have been blamed on the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group, which is also fighting Indian rule in Kashmir.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 23, 2008, 08:43:46 am
Pakistani army warns India of response
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24839628-2703,00.html
December 24, 2008
Article from:  The Australian
 
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's military would retaliate within minutes if India carried out a surgical strike within Pakistan, the country's army chief said yesterday.

The warning from Pakistani Chief of Army Staff Ashfaq Parvez Kayani came as India chided the US and Britain for failing to punish Islamabad for last month's attacks in Mumbai and said the lack of action would force New Delhi to "deal with this problem".

While renewing the call for Pakistan to crack down on Islamic militants, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh last night sought to lower tensions, saying "nobody wants war".

"The issue is not war. The issue is terror and territory inPakistan being used to promote and abet terrorism," Dr Singh said.

General Kayani earlier apprised President Asif Ali Zardari of the operational preparedness of Pakistan's military.

"The armed forces are fully prepared to meet any eventuality,as his men are ready to sacrifice for their country," General Kayani told Mr Zardari.

Reports said Mr Zardari believed India's threatening statements were creating an atmosphere of aggression and harming the regional environment.

"We are keeping a close watch on all the latest developments and threatening tones of Indian leadership," he said.

Mr Zardari expressed satisfaction at the readiness of Pakistan's army and said all necessary resources would be provided to the armed forces.

Amid the heightened tension, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen arrived in Islamabad for talks with Pakistan's top brass.

Admiral Mullen met national security adviser Mehmood Ali Durrani and held talks with General Kayani and Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha.

General Pasha is head of the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, rogue elements of which New Delhi accuses of supporting Lashkar-e-Toiba, suspected of being behind the Mumbai attack, in which 171 people were killed, including two Australians.

Admiral Mullen was on his second visit to Pakistan since the attacks, in an effort todefuse tension between the nuclear armed neighbours.

The Pakistani Air Force yesterday scrambled fighter jets overseveral major cities in a sign of increased vigilance.

Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee warned yesterday that if Pakistan did not deal with those responsible for the Mumbai outrage, India would be forced to "deal with this problem".

"While we continue to persuade the international community and Pakistan, we are also clear that ultimately it is we who have to deal with this problem," he told Indian ambassadors at a meeting in New Delhi to discuss the Mumbai siege.

Asked whether a military response to the attacks was being considered, Mr Mukherjee said India would "explore all options" to push Pakistan on its promise to crack down on cross-border terrorism.

"We have so far acted with utmost restraint and are hopeful that (the) international community will use its influence to urge (the) Pakistani Government to take effective action," he said.

Mr Mukherjee said he wanted to see more results from US-led attempts to force Pakistan to co-operate with the probe into the attacks. Pakistan's response to the attacks demonstrated its "tendency to resort to a policy of denial" and warned that militants based in Pakistan continued "to threaten peace and stability in this region and beyond".

Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 23, 2008, 09:17:39 am
Govt ratcheting up pressure to war with Pak
http://www.samaylive.com/news/govt-ratcheting-up-pressure-to-war-with-pak/602256.html
Published: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 at 20:22 IST

New Delhi, Dec 23: Government seems to be ratcheting up pressure all the way to a war against Pakistan in the backdrop of Mumbai attacks, former National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra said while indicating that India cannot fully bank on the US in dealing with the "serious" situation.

"I don't think that (war) is on the cards. But it seems to be the plan of the government. It seems to me they are ratcheting up day by day to bring up to a point," Mishra told.

Asked whether the government was handling the matter sensibly, Mishra appeared to be supportive of the government's stand saying it is the way it should be done.

He felt that Pakistan should be given more time to bring the situation under control.

"Pakistan should be given more time even though we are convinced that they are not going to do anything... International community should agree that India has shown enough patience before acting," he added.

Mishra also contested US Secretary of State Condeleezza Rice's contention that the issue was not that serious as during the 'Operation Parakram' build up in 2002 after the attack on Parliament.

"It is the US point of view. But any Indian would say, when 180 or more people were attacked by ten terrorists trained and armed from Pakistan, it is as serious as 2002," he said.

Mishra was also of the view that there was "a limit" to what the US can do in this situation. "They have their own interests in Afghanistan and they need the cooperation of the Pakistan Army," he said.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: sociostudent on December 23, 2008, 09:21:04 am
Looks like India wants pakistan to have the same "shock and awe treatment"  that Iraq received in '03. What do ya'll think?
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Suriel on December 23, 2008, 09:32:39 am
The thing that worries me is that if a war breaks out Israel could use that as an opportunity to attack Gaza or Iran.  China could use that as a cover to attack Taiwan.  The list could go on.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Avers on December 23, 2008, 10:16:56 am
The thing that worries me is that if a war breaks out Israel could use that as an opportunity to attack Gaza or Iran.  China could use that as a cover to attack Taiwan.  The list could go on.

Israel can and will attack Gaza anytime it likes, it is not as if it will take any serious note of the few weak protests that will ensue. Attacking Iran over a conflict between Pakistan and India would be a huge mistake for Israel, as none of the Arab countries will accept that course of action. Besides, Iran has enough capabilities these days (thanks in part to the Russians) to hold of any attack short from cruise missiles or nukes, and then retaliate.

Personally I have my doubts that it will come to a conflict between Pakistan and India so soon. There will be a conflict in the near future (mid-late 2009, or 2010), but I think at the moment it is nothing else but sabre rattling and adolescent macho behaviour. Both countries have too much at stake at the moment to be drawn into just a regional conflict (and I don't see another country yet willing to broading such a conflict), though both will no doubt pounce on each other with glee when there is a much more global conflict going on (hence my guess at the 2009-2010 date). Though if proven wrong I hope I find some survival gear under this year's christmas tree.

Oh, and China would not attack Taiwan now, it has just send two panda's over there. The Chinese take the 'panda diplomacy' very seriously...
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Optimus on December 24, 2008, 10:26:31 am
Wednesday, December 24, 2008
Pakistan deploys Army Regulars on Rajasthan Border
http://www.breakingnewsonline.net/2008/12/pakistan-deploys-army-regulars-on.html
 

Breaking News! Pakistan has moved its regular armed forces to the borders across the Rajasthan border. The BSF has confirmed that Pakistan has stepped up activities across the border, by deploying its armed forces and heavy artillery including the mortars and tanks.


The Centre has asked the government to evacuate the villages on border areas so that no damage is done to villagers in case of a Pakistani aggression. The Pakistani Army was seen on the Badmer border. The Pakistani Air Force has already moved to forward location, with complete readiness to launch an attack if necessary.


Pakistan has moved its armed forces to the eastern border to divert the attention from the terror attacks in Mumbai and force the international community to mediate to ease the pressure off Pakistan. Pakistan is unable to withstand the diplomatic pressure from India and the US and hence decided to take a tough stance against India to put the world community in a tight spot.


Meanwhile, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and PM Yousaf Raza Gilani have slammed India, saying India is trying to cover-up its own intelligence failure. Gilani has alleged that India is trying to make Pakistan a scapegoat for the Mumbai terror attacks. Both leaders have warned India that Pakistan is ready to retaliate if India launches an attack on Pakistani territory.
Title: Re: Pakistani Jets Scramble As India Hardens Tone
Post by: Biggs on December 26, 2008, 12:08:58 pm
India alerts air force along Line of Control
Transports heavy guns, ammunition

Akhtar Jamal

http://pakobserver.net/200812/26/news/topstories03.asp

Islamabad
—As India continued transporting heavy guns and war machines to strategic areas along Line of Control Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor Thursday rushed to Siachen Glacier and forward areas of occupied Jammu and Kashmir “to check the operational preparedness of the troops.”

Intelligence reports confirmed Thursday extra-ordinary moves at India’s Western Air Command with headquarters in Delhi which is responsible for air operations from occupied Kashmir to Rajasthan including Punjab. Thursday a movement of Indian Air Force Operations Group dedicated for occupied Jammu & Kashmir including Ladakh was also detected by the defence observers in the region.

According to Indian media reports that Gen Kapoor left for Siachen Glacier “on Thursday and will interact with the unit commanders and senior officers, before returning to the Capital after taking stock of the situation.”

The report added that India too had deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams at Western border.

The media reports confirmed that India has deployed Quick Reaction Air Force and Army teams on the western border. “Air force units have also been deployed at Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bhuj”.

There are five operational air commands in India controlling 45 fixed-wing squadrons and 20 helicopter units.

India’s Mi 26 heavy lift helicopter fleet was also seen active Thursday transporting heavy gins and ammunition along the borders with Pakistan while Mi 17s and Mi 8s, were also seen moving along the LoC.