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Title: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 02, 2008, 09:23:53 am
Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan,25197,24743163-2703,00.html
Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent | December 03, 2008
Article from:  The Australian

PAKISTAN was bracing last night for a retaliatory airstrike by India against the sprawling headquarters of the al-Qa'ida-linked Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist organisation near Lahore.

As Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari warned the LET militants "had the power to precipitate war in the region", India demanded that Islamabad hand over a list of about 20 people, including India's most-wanted man Dawood Ibrahim.

India's military chiefs were exerting strong pressure on the country's political leaders to give permission to attack the headquarters, an 80ha site at Muridke, close to the Punjab capital of Lahore, just across the border from India.

The reports came as the Indian Government summoned the Pakistani high commissioner in New Delhi yesterday to demand "strong action" against the Pakistani militants who it says were responsible for last week's attacks on Mumbai.

New Delhi warned Shahid Malik that India expected Islamabad to take "swift action" to deal with the evidence of involvement by LET operating from bases inside Pakistan.

India demanded that Islamabad extradite Ibrahim, a fugitive Mumbai mafia don who it believes has links to LET, the terrorist group long allied to Pakistan's ISI spy agency.

India also asked for Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, the LET founder, and Maulana Masood Azhar, the head of militant group Jaish-e-Mohammad, who was freed in exchange for passengers on a hijacked Indian Airlines flight in 1999.

Ibrahim, Mumbai's most notorious underworld don, is the head of D-Company, a feared crime syndicate, and one of the world's five most wanted men. He is widely believed to have worked closely with al-Qa'ida. He is also thought to have masterminded the 1993 Mumbai bombings, a series of 13 explosions that claimed 250 lives.

New Delhi issued its demands after US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged Pakistan to co-operate with India as she prepared to visit New Delhi to mediate between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

The heavily guarded LET complex near Lahore, known as the Markaz-e-Taiba (Holy Centre), includes mosques and madrassas with more than 3000 students. Theoretically it is the headquarters of the Jamaat-ul-Dawah Muslim welfare organisation that is closely identified with LET.

Saeed, the LET founder and spiritual leader, lives in the complex.

Reports yesterday said that if India attacked the complex -- possibly to kill Saeed -- an attempt would be made to justify the action by pointing to the way in which the US was launching pre-emptive strikes inside Pakistani territory using unmanned drones to kill al-Qa'ida and Taliban targets.

Indian sources have confirmed that investigators have established strong links between the group of terrorists who attacked Mumbai and the LET leadership inside Pakistan.

Intercepts of calls made on a satellite telephone used by the group before they disembarked from the "mother ship" that brought them from Karachi shows a series of calls made to Muridke.

Indian officials said that all the militants were from Pakistan and that the only one captured alive had admitted to being part of LET.

Yesterday, the surviving terrorist, Ajmal Amin Kamal, in a new interrogation by Indian investigators, again linked the Mumbai attack to LET, saying he had joined the organisation at the behest of his father to raise money for his family.

He named an LET commander who, he said, paid his father for his services.

Pakistan reluctantly announced a formal ban on LET in 2002 after coming under strong international pressure to clamp down on the organisation. This followed a spectacular attack on the Indian parliament in December 2001, launched by LET together with the Kashmir-based JEM.

Although still technically outlawed in Pakistan, LET has managed to expand its membership and activities and has also established itself in other countries.

To get around the formal ban on its activities, LET renamed itself Jamaat-ud-Dawah, which gained considerable influence across Pakistan as a result of the "welfare" work it did after the devastating 2005 earthquake in Kashmir. The US Government has also classified Jamaat-ud-Dawah as a terrorist organisation and said it is no more than an "alias" of LET.

Indian investigators are convinced there is no doubt of LET's involvement in the Mumbai outrage.

Mr Zardari insisted the militants who attacked Mumbai were "non-state actors" with no links to any government.

Reports yesterday said India received warnings in October from US intelligence of a possible terrorist attack "from the sea" on targets in Mumbai.

Unnamed American intelligence officials told US television news service ABC that they had warned their Indian counterparts in mid-October of a potential attack "from the sea against hotels and business centres in Mumbai".

One intelligence official even mentioned specific targets, including the Taj Mahal hotel, ABC said.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Dok on December 02, 2008, 09:28:43 am
India from the east, Obama from the west.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 02, 2008, 12:41:08 pm
India says all options open, wants Pakistan to act (Roundup)
Dec 2nd, 2008 | By Sindh Today | Category: India

New Delhi/Islamabad, Dec 2 (IANS) India Tuesday indicated it was keeping all options open, including a military strike against terrorist camps in Pakistan and suspension of bilateral dialogue, and underlined that it will take ‘appropriate action’ to protect its territory from terror attacks emanating from the neighbouring country.

‘We will await the response from Pakistan to the demarche (formal protest note),’ External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters here on the sidelines of a function to inaugurate the India-Arab Forum Tuesday morning.

‘We have in our demarche asked for the arrests and handing over of those persons who are settled in Pakistan and who are fugitives under the Indian law,’ he added.

‘There are lists (containing the names) of about 20 persons. (These) lists are sometimes altered and this exercise is going on and we have reviewed it in our demarche,’ Mukherjee said.

‘What I am saying is every sovereign country has its right to protect its territorial integrity and take appropriate action as and when it feels it is necessary to take that appropriate action,’ Mukherjee later told the NDTV news channel in an interview.

‘As and when it takes place you will get to know. Nobody publicises or advertises it. I am not making any comment on military option,’ he replied when asked whether he would rule out military option against terrorist groups like the Lashker-e-Toiba (LeT) which are suspected to have engineered the Mumbai terror strikes.

‘What will be done, time will show and you will come to know,’ Mukherjee said.

India’s ‘most wanted 20′ list includes known terror masterminds like mob boss Dawood Ibrahim, Maulana Masood Azhar, the founder of Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) which was suspected behind the Dec 13, 2001 attack on the Indian parliament, and LeT chief Hafez Mohammed Sayeed.

New Delhi has suspected these fugitives to be behind major terror strikes in India over the years.

India has, however, not set a time-frame for Pakistan to the demarche it issued Monday that included the return of India’s 20 most wanted men, the dismantling of terrorist camps and the proscription of anti-India militant outfits.

‘We have not set a time-frame for Pakistan’s response to our demarche. We will give them a reasonable amount of time,’ a senior official said on condition of anonymity.

‘All options are open. Nothing has been decided as yet,’ he replied when asked what steps India will take in case Pakistan refuses to concede to its demands.

Pakistan has responded by offering India a joint team to probe the Mumbai attacks and underlined it will ‘frame a response’ to New Delhi’s demand for handing over 20 of India’s most wanted men.

But India has cold-shouldered what it sees a diversionary ploy by Pakistan to impress the international community about its sincerity. ‘We want action on the ground,’ the official said.

The bilateral composite dialogue process has not been stalled yet, but if Pakistan fails to address India’s concerns, New Delhi may decide to suspend the talks on the remaining items in the ongoing fifth round, said reliable sources, privy to the government’s thinking on the subject.

‘There is a stress on the dialogue process. The atmosphere has been vitiated by the Mumbai attacks,’ the official admitted.

The menu of likely actions by India in case of Pakistan’s refusal to act on the ground could include military action. But this last resort action is not being considered yet. ‘You can’t rule out anything. We will cross the bridge when it comes to it,’ the official said.

Investigations have disclosed that the Nov 26 Mumbai terror strikes bore the imprint of LeT, a banned militant outfit.

The probe has produced enough damning evidence that led New Delhi to officially tell Islamabad Tuesday that it holds elements in Pakistan responsible for the Mumbai terror strikes.

Pakistan has denied any link with the Mumbai blasts.

‘The government of Pakistan has offered a joint investigating mechanism and a joint commission to India,’ Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in a nationwide telecast in Islamabad.

At the same time, India and Pakistan should not allow their composite dialogue to get derailed in the wake of the Mumbai killings, he said.

‘We want better relations… and it is in the larger interest of the two countries to continue the composite dialogue process.

With Pakistan in the denial mode, India Tuesday briefed envoys of those countries whose nationals were killed in the NOv 26 terror carnage about the investigation and underlined that New Delhi expected Islamabad to act against militants based in its territory who engineered it.

Vivek Katju, special secretary (Political and International Organisations), held a meeting with the envoys and expressed India’s deepest condolences to them.

The heads of missions from Germany, Canada, Japan, Singapore, Australia, Italy, Thailand, Israel and Mauritius were present at the meeting, official sources told IANS.

India’s diplomatic offensive comes in response to repeated denials by Pakistan and Islamabad’s frenzied calls to world capitals to convince the international community of its claimed innocence.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Q on December 02, 2008, 01:12:59 pm
We have a family friend living in Mumbai, India. She has friends with connections to senior military, who report them to be "giddy with excitement".

Some in India are saying that this was a staged operation to get BJP elected (with all those implications), but with the election not due until May 09, these staged events would seem to presage something nearer term.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 02, 2008, 02:39:35 pm
Govt mulls strike on Pak terror bases
BS Reporter / New Delhi December 3, 2008, 1:20 IST
The Manmohan Singh government is weighing various options including a strike on Pakistan to dismantle its terror bases in response to the recent Mumbai terror attack. External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee today hinted about military option when he told a news channel, “As and when it takes place, people will come to know, it’s not publicised. Every sovereign country has the right to protect its territorial integrity and take appropriate action and when it feels necessary to take that appropriate action.”

“What will be done, time will show and you will come to know,” Mukherjee earlier told reporters on the sidelines of a conference today.

Singh convened a Cabinet committee meeting on security today to discuss the issue. Last week, he met the Army, Navy and Air Force chiefs to take stock of the current situation and take their inputs to decide the nature of India’s response to the alleged Pakistan-sponsored terror strike in Mumbai.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is coming to New Delhi on Wednesday and top government sources suggest the issue of attacking Pakistan will be discussed with her. The US has resorted to unilateral hot pursuit for Taliban terrorists hiding inside Pakistan near its border with Afghanistan.

As a strike on Pakistan will invariably lead to a full-scale war between the two nuclear-armed countries, India is maintaining a cautious approach and wants to gauge every possible ramification of its decision.

“An assessment of the pros and cons of an attack on the terror bases in Pakistan is currently underway. The final decision will be taken only on the considerations of national interest,” said a top government official.

The Manmohan Singh government is also talking to various governments across the world for a UN resolution allowing a coalition force of affected countries to destroy terrorist camps in Pakistan.

While the government is keeping in mind the impact of a war on the country’s economic health during the time of the global slowdown, the biggest concern for India is the response of the US. Although US President-elect Barack Obama has said that India has the “sovereign right to go after terrorists” to protect itself, India wants the support of the current George Bush regime, which will continue till February, for an attack on Pakistan.

The visit of Rice is expected to provide important directions on this issue.

In 2002, India could not attack Pakistan despite deploying its troop on the border because of US interference. Then US president Bill Clinton didn’t support India’s move as Pakistan was supporting US’ war against terrorists in Afghanistan and the US feared that India’s attack would stop Pak’s help in Afghanistan.

The Bush government has also decided to send senior military and intelligence officials to Islamabad to force the Zardari government dismantle the terror hubs supported by the ISI.

India’s Foreign Secretary Shivshankar Menon has been sent to the US to brief US officials about recent terror attacks in India including the Mumbai episode.

Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 02, 2008, 11:19:19 pm
Pak won't hand over terrorists to India, wants proof
Published on Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 10:32

Washington: Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari said on Tuesday his government was not responsible for last week's attacks on Mumbai and said he doubted India's claim the lone surviving gunman was a Pakistani.

"The state of Pakistan is no way responsible," Zardari told CNN's Larry King Live program.

Indian has said the 10 terrorists who killed nearly 200 people in the three-day rampage in Mumbai were from a group based in Pakistan.

Azam Amir Kasav, the only gunmen not killed by Indian commandos, told investigators he is a Pakistani citizen, Mumbai police chief Hasan Gafoor said.

But Zardari said India has provided no proof the gunman is Pakistani. "We have not been given any tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani. I very much doubt ... that he's a Pakistani," Zardari said.

"The gunmen, plus the planners, whoever they are -- they are stateless actors who are holding hostage the whole world," he said.

Zardari said if India produced evidence that a Pakistani group was behind the attacks, his government would take action against them.

After the attacks, India renewed a long-standing demand Islamabad hand over about 20 terrorists New Delhi believes are hiding in Pakistan.

Zardari said if India provided proof against the fugitives, Pakistan would let its own judiciary handle the cases.

"If we had the proof, we would try them in our courts, we would try them in our land and we would sentence them, he said.


Larry King: Mr President the Indian government is demanding that your nation handover some 20 suspected terrorists who are believed to be living in Pakistan. What is your response to this...Among those are Dawood Ibrahim, a powerful gangster, Masood Azhar, a terror suspect from an Indian prison in exchange for the release of hostages. And Hafiz Mohammad a former chief of a terrorist group. Are you going to comply with that?

Zardari: I'm definitely going to look into all the possibility of any proof that is given to us that at the moment these are just names of individuals. No proof, no investigation, nothing has been brought to, forward. We have offered to take this step forward and cooperate with the Indians, I'm willing to have my security adviser and their security in charge of our internal security and their internal security head a joint committee, which we've proposed to the Indians for a joint investigation in all of the Bombay incident.

Larry King: And if you had the proof you would turn them over?

Zardari: If we had the proof we would try them in our courts, we would try them in our land, and we would sentence them.

(Inputs from CNN and Reuters)

Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Revolt426 on December 02, 2008, 11:31:04 pm
Inside job, i think there was just a de facto coup in India to be honest. The British and U.S. Intelligence flew in after the attack that was blamed on a local hindu group and now India is threatening Pakistan if they do not hand over terrorists, hmmmm! does this sound familar?

How about Bush Threatening the Taliban to hand over Bin Laden, and the Taliban asking for evidence
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Post by: Devotional Soul on December 02, 2008, 11:40:04 pm
Pakistan is framed! :(
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 02, 2008, 11:40:21 pm
That's what India is exactly doing Revolt426. India is threating "consequences" if Pakistan doesn't meet their demands.

India corners Pak; says hand over Dawood, JeM chief
Published on Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 01:08

New Delhi: The Ministry of External Affairs called the Pakistani High Commissioner Shahid Malik in New Delhi to make its first direct demand on handing over suspects responsible for the Mumbai attacks.

Sources tell CNN-IBN that apart from telling Malik that the attacks had been planned by Pakistani elements, they also told Pakistan to hand over Dawood Ibrahim and Masood Azhar, or face the consequences.

Mumbai has been attacked earlier too. In March 1993, 13 blasts that killed at least 250 people and injured more than 700. That attack too was the handiwork of underworld don Dawood Ibrahim.

South Block has no doubt about Dawood's role in the November 26 attacks or for that matter about the role of the don's patrons - the ISI.

India's most wanted, Dawood, with help from Pakistan, has eluded for more than 15 years.

India also suspects that along with the Lashkar-e-Toiba, the Jaish-e-Mohammad and its founder Masood Azhar are also involved in the attacks.

Azhar is wanted in India for a string of terror strikes including the attack on the Parliament in 200 that brought India and Pakistan to the brink of war.

And these are reason enough for India to serve a demarche on the Pakistan High Commissioner.

The demarche warned that bilateral relations could hit breaking point unless Islamabad handed over Dawood and Azhar.

"We expect Pakistan to crack down on terror groups and individuals. If Pakistan doesn't deliver our response will be correct and considered," Minister of State for External Affairs Anand Sharma said.

There is pressure on Islamabad from the USA too. Ahead of her arrival in Delhi on Wednesday, US Secretary of State Condolezza Rice warned Pakistan to cooperate with India and be transparent in its investigations.

"The Pakistani government must follow the evidence wherever it leads and do that in the most committed and firmest possible way. There should be the highest level of cooperation between the law enforcement and intelligence agencies of both countries," Rice said.

A response from Islamabad is expected at the earliest. Pakistan Yousuf Raza Gilani has called an all party meeting on Tuesday to discuss India's demarche.

But the Pakistani Army has already delivered its response. Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has called for re-deploying as many as 1 lakh troops away from the Afghan frontier to the border with India if tensions escalate.

"Pakistan has already responded today evening to the first demarche issued on November 29. We have given our point of view on Dawood and Azhar. We will have to carefully examine, consider and then respond," said Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

"Pakistan condemned this attack and has extended its cooperation. This is a common enemy and both the countries are victim. In these difficult times both the countries need to stand together," Qureshi said.

Qureshi, however, refused to acknowledge that Dawood was in Pakistan.

"I am not aware of Dawood's whereabouts. Pakistan has a open mind and is willing to cooperate. We should not get into speculation. It is important for both the governments to respond in a measured way," he said.

He also rubbished reports that Pakistan is mobilising troops on its border with India.

According to our information there is no build up on the border yet. The government has clarified that some elements of Indian media have talked of build up. But as per our information there is no build up," he added.

Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Revolt426 on December 02, 2008, 11:50:12 pm
Uh oh , we need Obama! Obama will step into kashmir and part the mountains with his staff from the heavens
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Revolt426 on December 03, 2008, 12:12:06 am
IMF Loan will add 7 million to the ranks of the desperately poor - Royal Bank of Scotland Economist, hmm that could potentially create chaos and an insurgency  ???

Pakistan's "Deals" With Soros and IMF Will Cost 3 Million Jobs
Increase  DecreaseDecember 1, 2008 (LPAC) -- The $7.6 billion loan granted by the IMF to
Pakistan on Nov. 24 will cost Pakistan at least 3 million jobs,
and add 7 million to the ranks of the desperately poor, gloated
the chief economist from the Royal Bank of Scotland, Sakib
Shirani, one of the architects of the deadly deal. This genocidal
prognosis was presented at a meeting called "IMF: Pain or
Panacea?" sponsored by the Centre for Research and Security
Studies in Islamabad on Nov. 28. Shirani, who participated in the
talks in Dubai between Pakistani and IMF officials, told the
audience that this killer policy was necessary due to the
import-led policy of the former government, and that they had "no

It must be noted that a delegation from the George Soros
Economic Development Fund (SEDF) was officially hired by the
Pakistani government last week, to provide "technical assistance
in economic, finance, tax reform, export and agricultural
sectors." Soros personally met with Pakistani President Asif Ali
Zardari when the President visited New York in September.
Associated Press of Pakistan reported Nov. 22 that Soros led an
Open Society Institute delegation to meet Zardari again in late
November, presenting him with a paper on "proposed tax reforms."

As in all IMF loans, the deadly conditionalities must be met
for each period or the money is cut off. Pakistan will receive
$3.1 billion under a 23-month facility, with the remainder phased
in subject to quarterly reviews. The money will never reach
Pakistan, of course -- it is all to pay off a sovereign bond
maturing in February, but falls well short of the $13 billion
that the IMF has said that Pakistan will require this financial
year. Many more deaths under IMF austerity and Soros-run drugs
and terror will be required before the next tranche is made

Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 03, 2008, 03:20:12 pm
Heavy Pak army movement along border: Intelligence
Ajay Banerjee
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, December 3
A day after external affairs minister Pranab Mukherjee said India could strike at terrorist camps in Pakistan if deemed necessary, intelligence agencies today revealed that the Pakistan army was in a state of ‘heightened activity’.

Inputs gathered by the agencies disclosed that the army was shoring up ammunition, sending men to their units and stocking additional rations. Also, there has been an increased frequency of reconnaissance visits by senior Pakistani army officers along the border in Punjab, Rajasthan and Jammu and Kashmir.

Notably, the neighbouring country has not officially ordered any mobilisation of troops, while India has also denied that that any troops were being moved or the fighter squadrons were being readied for an attack. However, the agencies have brought to the notice of the government at least five-six issues that surely indicate movement by the Pakistan forces.

Sources said the Pakistan army has activated its artillery guns. The guns are being moved and the time required for moving them from one place to another and re-assembling them was being monitored, said a source.

All the training programmes have been suspended and the drills that need actual field practice are being enforced. Normally, winter is the time when a lot of training is done and tactics are refined. All the men at the training programmes are being moved back to their respective regiments. More ammunition is also being drawn. Technically, it means the personal arms of the men are being augmented. Another aspect that has been pointed out is the fact that senior officers have visited certain sensitive sectors along the border. The information of the Indian agencies is based on human monitoring and telephone intercepts. The information was first collated, then assessed and matched with other sources.

A major activity has been reported from the Lahore and Kasur areas that border Amritsar, Tarn Taran and Ferozepore. Movement is also being reported from North-western Rajasthan, besides the portion of the International border in J&K and the Line of Control.

Pakistan has been threatening the US that it will have to move its troops from the Pakistan-Afghanistan border to the border with India, as it fears a military strike by India following the Mumbai terror attacks.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: JBS on December 03, 2008, 09:36:36 pm
Now I know why the US invaded and is occupying Afghanistan AND Iraq, which is a very strategic place to be, bordering  ALL the others countries.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: TheHouseMan on December 04, 2008, 06:18:40 am
So they attack a country because a few nuts attacked them? That sounds like Rockefeller politics playing out to me. India is totally controlled.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Kilika on December 04, 2008, 06:38:46 am
How interesting that Pakistan claims they are fighting the war on terror, yet they are being accused of harbouring Bin Laden and the Dawood guy, along with a whole host of other "terrorists", and continues to protect the "tribal region", which happens to be where these terrorists are claimed to be. We all know if Pakistan said go ahead and clear out that region of terrorists, the world's armies could do it in no time, yet that isn't happening. Instead, Pakistan resists at every turn.

It's obvious that not everything is as it appears.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Dig on December 04, 2008, 12:19:36 pm
WWI was started by an assassination by the illuminati cult, the black hand - another false flag).

The Lusitania and World War I

“The same crowd which manipulated the passage of the income tax and the Federal Reserve System wanted America in the war. J. P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller,

"Colonel" House, Jacob Schiff, Paul Warburg and the rest of the Jekyl Island conspirators were all deeply involved in getting us involved. Many of these financiers had loaned England large sums of money. In fact, J. P. Morgan & Co. served as British financial agents in this country during World War I.”  -Gary Allen, None Dare Call it Conspiracy

World War I officially began on June 28th, 1914 when members of the Illuminati Black Hand secret society assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand.  Europe quickly polarized and warred for nearly a year before Americans were given their false-flag reason to join.  On May 1st, 1915 the British Naval cruiser “Lusitania” was scheduled for Liverpool, taking off from New York harbor loaded with 600 tons of explosives, 6 million pounds of ammunition, 1,248 cases of shrapnel shells, other war materials, and last but not least – American passengers.  The German embassy in D.C. was fully aware of the war materials being shipped into England on the Lusitania and tried to warn American travelers.  German embassy officials attempted to place full-page ads in 50 U.S. newspapers reading: “Notice! Travelers intending to embark on the Atlantic voyage are reminded that a state of war exists between Germany and her allies and Great Britain and her allies … travelers sailing in the war zone on ships of Great Britain … do so at their own risk.”  Due to actions taken by the U.S. State Department, 49 of those 50 newspapers never ran the ad.   

“The German government took out large ads in all the New York papers warning potential passengers that the ship was carrying munitions and telling them not to cross the Atlantic on it … Yet the sinking of the Lusitania was used by clever propagandists to portray the Germans as inhuman slaughterers of innocents. Submarine warfare was manufactured into a cause celebre to push us into war."  -Gary Allen, “None Dare Call it Conspiracy”

Midday May 7th, off the coast of Ireland, the Lusitania was ordered to reduce speed, and “Juno,” its British military escort vessel, was ordered to withdraw.  Committee of 300, 33rd degree Freemason, and Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill knew German U-Boats were in the vicinity and purposely called off Juno, leaving the Lusitania a sitting duck.   

“British commander Joseph Kenworthy, on duty when the ship was sunk, later revealed that her military escort was withdrawn at the last minute and her captain ordered to enter at reduced speed an area where a German U-boat was known to be operating. It is clear why Germany attacked this ship, and Britain would have done the same if U.S. munitions were being shipped to Germany. ‘The Germans, whose torpedo struck the liner, were the unwitting accomplices or victims of a plot probably concocted hy Winston Churchill,’ concluded author Simpson.”  -Jim Marrs, “Rule by Secrecy” (189)

“The Lusitania was a ploy. It was packed with some Morgan owned ammunition, had been given over to England as a member of the navy, and despite the warnings of the Germans was sent Into a naval war zone, specifically to be a target - the catalyst for America’s entrance to the war …Churchill ordered the Lusitanina’s naval escort to return to port, and the fated ship was left unprotected, to be sunk. Rothschild agent Colonel House probably knew of this plot, records point to a discussion of it between him and Sir Edward Grey of England. Historian Colin Simpson called the sinking of the Lusitania the ‘foulest act of willful murder ever committed on the seas.’”  -Fritz Springmeier, “Bloodlines of the Illuminati”

Churchill’s fellow Committee of 300 member, CFR founder, and Rothschild agent Colonel Mandel House was also President Wilson’s top political advisor.  Wilson said “Mr. House is my second personality.  He is my independent self.  His thoughts and mine are one.  If I were in his place, I would just do as he suggested.”  This is a man who has also been called the Henry Kissenger of his day.  In the book “The Intimate Papers of Colonel House” is a conversation recorded between Colonel House and the Foreign Secretary of England, Sir Edward Grey.  Grey asked, “What will America do if the Germans sink an ocean liner with American passengers on board?” and House answered, “I believe that a flame of indignation would sweep the United States and that by itself would be sufficient to carry us into the war.”  Just as “luck” would have it, that is exactly what happened.  Around 1,200 were killed, including 128 Americans.

“This act set off a firestorm of anti-German feeling throughout the United States, fanned by the Rockefeller-Morgan dominated press.”   –Jim Marrs, “Rule by Secrecy” (188)

So Illuminati Morgan-owned ammunition was loaded on a ship with American passengers. Committee of 300 and 33rd degree Mason, Winston Churchill, ordered off the ship’s military escort knowing German U-Boats were standing by.  Then the Rockefeller-Morgan dominated U.S. press helped stir anti-German sentiment until the people were sufficiently propagated to enter the war.  President Woodrow Wilson, like Winston Churchill, the Morgans and Rockefellers, knew of the Lusitania’s pre-planned fate, and he knew the decision to sink it was out of his hands.

"There can be no doubt that President Wilson was told of the character of the cargo destined for the Lusitania. He did nothing, but was to concede on the day he was told of her sinking that his foreknowledge had given him many sleepless hours."  -Colin Simpson, “The Lusitania”

"Woodrow Wilson was re-elected by a hair. He had hased his campaign on the slogan: 'He Kept Us Out of War!'. . . Just five months later we were in it.  The same crowd which manipulated the passage of the income tax and the Federal Reserve System wanted America in the war. J. P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, 'Colonel' House, Jacob Schiff, Paul Warburg and the rest of the Jeykll Island conspirators were all deeply involved."  -Gary Allen, “None Dare Call it Conspiracy”

“World War I was a financial bonanza for the international bankers. But it was a catastrophe of such magnitude for the United States that few even today grasp its importance. The war reversed our traditional foreign policy of non-involvement and we have been enmeshed almost constantly ever since in perpetual wars for perpetual peace. Winston Churchill once observed that all nations would have been better off had the U.S. minded its own business. Had we done so, he said, ‘peace would have been made with Germany; and there would have been no collapse in Russia leading to Communism; no breakdown of government in Italy followed by Fascism; and Naziism never would have gained ascendancy in Germany.’” (Social Justice Magazine, July 3, 1939, p. 4.)  –Gary Allen, “None Dare Call it Conspiracy”

WWII started with the false flag to invade Poland after the false flag of ther burning of the Reichtag to consolidate power.

All false flag operations are to consolidate power by controlling dissent and to initiate wars.

Mumbai is no different.

They are also the complete modus operendi of the illuminati.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Q on December 04, 2008, 01:30:12 pm
This is on.

The events to come are already in motion, the narrative already written.

The players on the field believe they have real choices that will affect the outcome. They do not. They don't understand the game.

Both sides will lose and yield to the Winner.
Title: India's BJP Chief Wants to Attack Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 04, 2008, 02:26:36 pm
India's BJP urges action against Pakistan
Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:38:48 GMT
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) Chief Rajnath Singh

India's main opposition party, Bharatiya Janata urges the government to retaliate the Mumbai terror attacks by hitting back at Pakistan.

"The government should consider taking some measures against Pakistan. Enough is enough. There is a need to avenge the repeated assault on our people and democracy," Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) Chief Rajnath Singh said Thursday in New Delhi, Press Trust of India reported.

He was speaking a week after coordinated attacks in Mumbai which India has blamed on Pakistan-based militants' groups.

He reacted angrily to Pakistan's assertion that 'non-state players,' and not the government in Islamabad, were to blame. "If the Pakistan government does not have full control on activities taking place on its soil, then the international community should consider the implications of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and facilities falling into the hands of non-state players," Singh said.

Earlier Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari had warned in an interview that irritation by rogue 'non-state actors' posed the danger of a return to war between the nuclear armed neighbors.

Singh's comments come after the senior Indian officials and intelligence reports suggested the attacks were carried out by the Pakistan-based Kashmiri militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 04, 2008, 02:46:25 pm
Army stirs into action on border
Ajay Bharadwaj
Friday, December 05, 2008  01:51 IST

CHANDIGARH: There’s been palpable movement of forces on both sides of the Indo-Pak border in the wake of the Mumbai terrorist attack. The Indian army is quietly but definitely getting into action mode.

Sources attributed the preparedness to the “heightened activity” of the Pakistan army along the border.

They said the “re-positioning” of troops along the border was largely in response to the resurgence of Pakistan army activities.

“The Pakistan army is shoring up ammunition and stocking up ration, and the Indian army has taken the cue,” a senior officer said.

He denied the scale of preparedness was as high as in the aftermath of the attack on parliament, but “yes, there is active stirring of forces”.

Increased reconnaissance visits by senior Pakistan army officers along the border in Punjab, Rajasthan and Jammu and Kashmir has put the Indian army on high alert, the officer said.

Sources said the Pakistan army had activated its artillery guns. The guns are being moved and the time required for their moving and re-assembling is being monitored, they said.

On the Indian side, the army has suspended all training programmes, and drills that need actual field practice are being enforced. All men at training programmes are being moved back to their regiments, the officer said.

On the Pakistani side, sources said, more ammunition was being drawn. Technically, it means personal arms of the men are being augmented, while senior officers have been touring sensitive sectors along the border.

Major activity has been reported from Lahore and Kasur that border Amritsar, Tarn Taran and Ferozepore in Punjab. The Indian army too has geared up.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 09, 2008, 02:31:59 pm
Pakistan: We're ready for war with India
Pakistan warned it is ready for war with India if it is attacked following the strike by the Mumbai terrorists.
Last Updated: 12:13PM GMT 09 Dec 2008

The remarks by Pakistan's foreign minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who also insisted he would not hand over any suspects in the Mumbai attacks, come amid mounting tensions between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

India has said it is keeping all options open following last month's carnage by the Mumbai terrorists, who killed more than 170 people.

"We do not want to impose war, but we are fully prepared in case war is imposed on us," said Mr Qureshi.

"We are not oblivious to our responsibilities to defend our homeland. But it is our desire that there should be no war."

Indian officials say the hardline Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) group, which is based in Pakistan despite being banned by the government, is behind the bloodshed, and Indian media have suggested there could be Indian strikes on militant camps.

Mr Qureshi said he was sending "a very clear message" that his country did not want conflict with India.

"We want friendship, we want peace and we want stability - but our desire for peace should not be considered Pakistan's weakness."

The minister also said that India's demands for the extradition of suspects in the Mumbai attacks were out of the question and that Pakistan, which has arrested 16 people since Saturday, would keep them on home soil.

"The arrests are being made for our own investigations. Even if allegations are proved against any suspect, he will not be handed over to India," Qureshi said. "We will proceed against those arrested under Pakistani laws."

India and Pakistan have fought three wars since independence from Britain and nearly came to a fourth in 2001 after an attack on the Indian parliament that was blamed on LeT.

Under international pressure to act, Pakistan raided a camp run by a charity, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, that many believe has close links to LeT, and arrested 15 people.

The authorities are questioning Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, the alleged mastermind of the Mumbai attacks, who was among those arrested at the weekend.

Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: ConcordeWarrior on December 09, 2008, 02:41:43 pm
Have the Mossad or any other secret services helped creating this terror attack in Bombay as a pretext to try and start a major conflict between India and Pakistan?

Looks like they are trying to start a world conflict out of somewhere. If not an Iran/Israel war they will have to find another pretext where the U.S., E.U., Russia and China will take part.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 15, 2008, 12:42:16 pm
'India gearing up for Pakistan attack'
Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:30:00 GMT
Kiran Mk II aircraft from the Indian Air Force
The Pentagon says that India becomes ready to attack Pakistan in retaliation for the recent Mumbai attacks that killed about 200 people.

Washington has information that India's air force began preliminary preparations for a possible attack, three Pentagon officials told CNN on Monday.

One official said that India's air force 'went on alert', giving no further details.

The US concluded these preliminary preparations could put India quickly in the position to launch air strikes against suspected terrorist camps and targets inside Pakistan, a second official said.

Washington also has information that a single Indian aircraft violated Pakistani airspace twice on Saturday, according to one of the officials.

The official, however, added that the incursion was inadvertent, saying that there is no information to indicate it was planned.

Tension between New Delhi and Islamabad has intensified after Mumbai terror attacks which left more than 170 people dead and 300 others injured.

The US and Indian intelligence reports suggested the Mumbai attacks were carried out by Pakistan-based militants. Pakistan denies the allegations, saying Islamabad is waiting for evidence from New Delhi proving Pakistani nationals were involved in the attacks.
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 16, 2008, 08:54:37 am
Pakistan will be defended at all costs says Gilani
Updated at: 0400 PST, Tuesday, December 16, 2008   

ISLAMABAD: Striking a tough posture, Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani said that Pakistan condemns terrorism in all its forms, but if a war is “imposed on Pakistan” the country would be defended “at all costs”.

Addressing the National Assembly here Monday, Gilani said, “I pay tribute to the political leadership who expressed deep insight over the recent prevalent issue, and got united.”

He said Pakistan “condemns terrorism and extremism in all its forms and manifestations, however, if India tries to carry out its designs against Pakistan, it would be defended at all costs.”

He said the entire nation and its leaders “are one and united for the defence of Pakistan”.

The prime minister vowed to resist any aggression however, saying, “Pakistan does not want war”.

His comments come in the wake of heightened tensions between India and Pakistan in the wake of the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks in which more than 170 people were killed. India has blamed elements in Pakistan for the attacks.

Gilani also said Pakistan would not allow any foreign country to have access to the arrested people.

He said the civilian government and military had resolved to steer the nation clear of the hard times and the forum of Friends of Pakistan was used to “put off the war”.

He said India had requested for cooperation in investigations into the Mumbai attacks, but it has not provided any proof so far.

He also said that the “welfare projects” of the banned charity Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a front for the terror outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), would not be stopped from functioning. 
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Devotional Soul on December 16, 2008, 10:54:59 am
A teacher from India predicted 35 years ago that WWIII would start with Pakistan attacking India, much of India would suffer.  In the end, the US would use a nuclear bomb on Russia from India.  He said the US would be finished, not specifically nuked, just finished.  He said there would be a comet before the disasters.  I looked into comets, and the next one visible to the naked eye comes this February and again in fall.  Get ready for 2009.
Title: Increased Pak Army Movement Along Indian Border
Post by: Optimus on December 16, 2008, 02:43:30 pm
Increased Pak army movement across border
17 Dec 2008, 0110 hrs IST, TNN

JAISALMER: The Pakistan army has heightened its activities close to the Indian border in Rajasthan sector. According to sources, Pakistan army troops, withdrawn from Afghan border, is being deployed close to the Indian border on Rajasthan and Punjab. Not only have the soldiers' strength increased in these areas, but Pakistan officials have been spotted frequenting these posts.

Along with the Pakistani Rangers, who usually occupy the check-posts, there is an increased presence of Pakistani army.

Movement of Army vehicles and other activities are also been observed in this area. According to reliable sources, even after the Pakistan Army's war excercise on the border adjoining Rajasthan and Punjab, the troops have not been withdrawn. Troops belonging to the Karachi-based corps is spotted in these drills.
Title: India may still strike at Pakistan: US report
Post by: Optimus on December 19, 2008, 02:15:43 pm
India may still strike at Pakistan: US report
19 Dec 2008, 2207 hrs IST, TNN

NEW DELHI: India may have ruled out the military option against Pakistan in the aftermath of Mumbai terror attacks but the international 
intelligence community continues to believe that strikes in PoK and elsewhere could still happen.

Global intelligence service Stratfor, in its latest report, said, "Indian military operations against targets in Pakistan have in fact been prepared and await the signal to go forward."

It added, "These most likely would take the form of unilateral precision strikes inside Pakistan-administered Kashmir, along with special forces action on the ground in Pakistan proper."

The private sector intelligence service said that unlike the massive movements of 2002 during Operation Parakram, India's preparations this time were more under the radar and not visible to the world at large. Its only indication was the fact that the Border Security Force (BSF) has been put on high alert on the western sector as well as the eastern sector — this paramilitary force's main mandate would be to prevent infiltration.

"Sources have indicated to Stratfor that New Delhi is going through the diplomatic motions in order to give Pakistan the opportunity to take care of the militant problem itself — but the Indians know that Islamabad has neither the will nor the capability to address their concerns," Stratfor said.

Three weeks after the attacks, India has gone out of its way to reassure everyone that it is not thinking of military action on Pakistan. This was most recently conveyed by Indian high commissioner to Pakistan Satyabrata Pal to Awami National Party chief Afsandyar Wali Khan in Islamabad earlier this week. But India continues to tell all its international interlocutors that its patience will not last long, particularly if Islamabad cannot crack down on terrorism.

India's actions thus far have been to build a kind of international consensus that the attacks were sourced in Pakistan. It has led to a huge spurt in international pressure on Pakistan to "do more" to combat terrorism. Almost every member of the international community also believes that the next attack in India would see the gloves come off.

But everybody knows that Pakistan's civilian government is unable to take any steps to curb terrorists and the military establishment is unwilling to do so.

"From a strategic perspective, the Indian government can no more afford to accept the Mumbai attacks and move forward than the US government could have afforded to ignore the 9/11 attacks. New Delhi has little choice but to respond — regardless of which political party is in power — and because the perpetrators are linked to elements within the Pakistani state, the response must be directed against Pakistan. And if Islamabad will not cooperate in controlling the militants, India will have to take unilateral action," Stratfor said.

It explained that India knew strikes in Pakistan would not eliminate the terrorist threat, "but that would not be the aim of any such operation". It added, "Instead, India has to communicate firmly that it will no longer tolerate attacks from Pakistan-based militants — whether they are rogue or approved by the state. Failure to do so risks emboldening the Islamists and their enablers, as well as a domestic political backlash. The Indian government could not live with either of those outcomes."
Title: Re: Indian Military chiefs urge raid inside Pakistan
Post by: Optimus on December 21, 2008, 07:16:04 pm
Aggressive Indian postures undermine fledgling peace process
Monday, December 22, 2008
By Qudssia Akhlaque

ISLAMABAD: India’s increasing aggressive postures towards Pakistan despite the government’s repeated offer of all-out cooperation in the Mumbai attacks probe have made policymakers here realise that New Delhi wants to keep the pressure on Islamabad and is not interested in any constructive engagement to defuse the mounting tension between the two countries.

The pattern is clear and consistent starting with the hostile statements of the top Indian leadership that all options are open (not ruling out military action) to Indian Minister for External Affairs Pranab Mukherjee’s threatening phone call to President Asif Ali Zardari following the Mumbai attacks and to the recent incursions by the Indian warplanes into the Pakistani territory twice in non-conformity with the 1991 bilateral Agreement on Prevention of Airspace Violations.

Notably on two consecutive days, India indulged in technical and blatant airspace violations. First, on December 12th, the Indian aircraft twice committed technical violations in Azad Kashmir and then on the following day, on December 13, they violated Pakistan’s airspace twice, once in the Narowal sector and once in Kashmir area, according to sources. The diplomatic note handed over to the Indian deputy high commissioner in Islamabad by the Foreign Office on Thursday regarding the Indian violations contained the technical data with all the coordinates based on the radar image and full report of the Pakistan Air Force authorities.

An explanation given by a Foreign Ministry official for the rather belated protest to India over the airspace violations was: “We wanted to first ascertain all the facts based on technical data to avoid a knee-jerk reaction.”

While India insists no airspace violation took place from its side, the dominant view here is that Indian airspace violations were a deliberate act to test Pakistan’s defence preparedness and to keep pressure on Pakistan by sending a strong signal that if it does not decisively act against the alleged militants behind the Mumbai attacks, India will.

Even India’s test-firing of its latest naval version of Barhmos supersonic cruise missile in the Bay of Bengal on Thursday amid heightened tensions and the Indian war-mongering was read in certain defence circles as part of political signalling — that it has all options open. Notably Pakistan had no clue about the test, as the existing bilateral pre-notification agreement on missile tests does not cover cruise missiles. An expert at the Strategic Plans Division noted that while under normal circumstances, there was nothing unusual about conducting such a missile test for validation of technical parameters but in times of crisis when relations were in high strain, they could also carry a veiled message. Notably the testing of the cruise missile coincided with the announcement by New Delhi to call off the Indian cricket team’s scheduled tour of Pakistan next month.

India has not even bothered to officially respond to the two specific proposals made by Pakistan to set up a joint commission co-chaired by the National Security Advisers of the two countries to assist in investigation of the Mumbai attacks and to send a high-level political delegation to New Delhi to defuse the tension. The proposals were welcomed by the international community but had so far been ignored by India.

On Tuesday, Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee made it quite clear that the peace process with Pakistan had been put on pause because of the November 26 Mumbai attacks.

Officials here concede that at the moment India is in no mood of conducting a serious meaningful dialogue with Pakistan and seems more interested in exerting all possible diplomatic and political pressure on Pakistan. “But the important thing for us is to keep the temperature down,” cautioned a senior official while noting that it would take some time before the two sides could again sit across the table and do business as usual.

Meanwhile, the UN, the US and other key members of the international community are trying to encourage India to respond positively to Pakistan’s peace overtures. Diplomatic efforts are under way from various ends to help pave the way for an early high-level political contact between the two countries.

India has been heaping allegations and enormous diplomatic pressure on Pakistan in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks. There have been incessant calls from the world leaders for the Pakistan government to fully cooperate with India, which has yet to share substantive evidence of the alleged involvement of Pakistani elements in the Mumbai incident.