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Title: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 05, 2008, 03:52:06 am
On Sunday August 31, 2008, only a few days ago, Kenny Johannemann, allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.

Daily News Reports on Johannemann's suicide (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/09/03/2008-09-03_911_claims_one_more_victim.html)

Like William Rodriguez, Kenny Johannemann was working as a janitor at the World Trade Center towers on September 11th and was an eye witness to explosions in the towers.  In the video linked below Kenny clearly states that a second explosion occurred in the second tower 10 minutes after an explosion in the first tower.  As he speaks the towers are visible behind him, both have been hit by planes, but neither has been demolished yet. 

When questioned further Kenny makes it clear that he is NOT talking about airplane impacts, but rather explosions in the basement.  He describes how he was down in the basement and witnessed the elevator blow up and he dragged a man out whose skin was hanging off.  This is identical to the story that Rodriguez tells and Kenny may have been helping Rodriquez with the rescue efforts.

Brasscheck TV's video of Johannemann's TV interview on 9/11 (http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/424.html)

Kenny is recognized by ABM Janitorial Services, his employer (http://www.abm.com/ilwwcm/resources/file/eb000c0fdc64a5c/Alliance-911.pdf)

Johannemann's suicide note seems very suspicious to me ...

Photograph of Johannemann's suicide note (http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/09/04/large_note.jpg)

I'm guessing that Kenny has been killed as a message to other witnesses.

The perpetrators must be getting very anxious if they have begun to silence key witnesses.

My response to the perpetrators:

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: canandy on September 05, 2008, 04:43:05 am
RIP BROTHER
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: stangrof on September 05, 2008, 05:46:37 am
Good afternoon, the "cleaning process" has started like in the JFK assassination.I hope William Rodriguez will be cautious
Bye
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Aaron on September 05, 2008, 05:51:53 am
Good afternoon, the "cleaning process" has started like in the JFK assassination.I hope William Rodriguez will be cautious
Bye

Just thinking the same. The clean-up has started.

RIP
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: UK Lyn on September 05, 2008, 05:55:37 am
aw hell, so very sad. RIP.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Triadtropz on September 05, 2008, 05:55:47 am
the anthrax crimes are now solved thru suicide, and the 9/11 cover-up is safer due to suicide..we gotta clean up these bush messes..noones safe.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: UK Lyn on September 05, 2008, 06:00:46 am
To be frank, a mass -and I mean a multi-million citizen MASS march on your capitol is now overdue and necessary.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: scary on September 05, 2008, 06:13:23 am
To be frank, a mass -and I mean a multi-million citizen MASS march on your capitol is now overdue and necessary.


Tell me about it.

This society will have to hit rock bottom, facing the horrors of poverty, famine, and destruction, until that point, we will dwell in Babylon, grabbing ferociously at materials, false prosperity, in excess.

Hier Kommt Die Sonne.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Triadtropz on September 05, 2008, 06:24:26 am
you can march on DC and they just cover it up....the news is afraid of the SS and neo-cons...
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: UK Lyn on September 05, 2008, 06:33:51 am
Tell me about it.

This society will have to hit rock bottom, facing the horrors of poverty, famine, and destruction, until that point, we will dwell in Babylon, grabbing ferociously at materials, false prosperity, in excess.

Hier Kommt Die Sonne.


We have the same malaise in the UK

a large screen television..
beer friday & saturday..
a football match..
a drunken fight..

As long as your average Brit gets their fix of any of the above, you could do ANYTHING to them and they will still sit on their ass.
Everything is someone else's problem.
I'm all right jack.

That bit of the brain that raged against injustice has long been chemically castrated

Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: UpsetBrit on September 05, 2008, 06:39:02 am
Seriously, who puts their date of birth and date of death on a suicide note?

I do however, see this all the time when the media covers the death of somebody in the public eye. This to me looks like the assassins way of bragging... sealing the tomb with a humourous ending.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Please Wake Up! on September 05, 2008, 08:09:08 am

Does anyone know what this guys opinion in regards to 9/11 were - in terms of it being an inside job or not ....  So troubling.


Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: EvadingGrid on September 05, 2008, 08:35:35 am
We have the same malaise in the UK

a large screen television..
beer friday & saturday..
a football match..
a drunken fight..

As long as your average Brit gets their fix of any of the above, you could do ANYTHING to them and they will still sit on their ass.
Everything is someone else's problem.
I'm all right jack.

That bit of the brain that raged against injustice has long been chemically castrated

How True
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Matt Hatter on September 05, 2008, 11:00:33 am
You have done the right thing. What is the point of living if it doesn't mean anything. Brother, you have spoken the truth, and your life has much meaning. I know you are in a better place now. Thank you for your bravery and courage. May you reincarnate into a better place than you left, because of your heroism.

God Bless You. We will continue in your footsteps and take down this evil empire, together!
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: UK Lyn on September 05, 2008, 11:26:34 am
If I ever decide to end it 'cos the 'world is bad', I will damn well not waste myself and take one of them that made it that way with me.

Just joking, of course.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Biggs on September 05, 2008, 12:21:44 pm
that is the second person to have done a real service to the truth movement to die this week, RIP good sir you spoke the truth bravely and have paid the ultimate price.

(the other one was Rik Clay who wrote a blog about the Zion Olympic logo London 2012 and Sion Beijing logo and other Zion/NWO related Olympic symbolism)

two important truth workers in a week is bad,

blessings to both of them.

and may the scum that very likely murdered both of them pay a full and just price for their crimes
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: thrashbassist on September 05, 2008, 12:36:23 pm
That note looks all kinds of suspicious. I wonder if he "shot himself" in the back of the head with a rifle. I see this happening to many more first responders in the future, and I'm surprised that they haven't gone after any of the Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth (have they?).

RIP man. The chaos is only beginning.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: national732 on September 05, 2008, 12:48:40 pm
  Here is his TV interview at 1:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY7r9nFQqvs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY7r9nFQqvs)
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Typhoon on September 05, 2008, 12:49:49 pm
how staged...
load your guns guys
some voluntaries should assassinate some NWO people, before they kill us
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: InfoTruth on September 05, 2008, 12:56:10 pm
how staged...
load your guns guys
some voluntaries should assassinate some NWO people, before they kill us

I think you should stop posting, you're giving us a bad name calling for assinations.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: agentbluescreen on September 05, 2008, 12:56:47 pm
Does anyone know what this guys opinion in regards to 9/11 were - in terms of it being an inside job or not ....  So troubling.

As a co-hero rescuer and as someone who witnessed the preliminary destabilizing detonations set by Securacom, who was a documented key witness, and might well have been a key murder case witness, he was technically a first responder despite his lack of a neo-fascist state-uniform (police/fire/Giuliani contractor) affiliation!

This is also a sad and somewhat shameful day for the wearechange organization who can hardly be blamed for it, any more than can most of us who won't even shoot them a few bucks to help out the wounded survivors (if they even help these sorts) of the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rockefeller-Myers Daniel Chapter 8 mass murder show.

Not all the murder victims of the CIA/FBI/DOJ/NSA/Pentagon Mafia and Bush Administration have died or are still dying from the malicious, deliberate, criminal negligence of Christy Todd Whitman and her EPA co-manslaughter conspirators! Here we see new victims dying from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome arising from the mass murdering arsonists' destruction of both the lives and livelihoods of the workers who's jobs they ruthlessly demolished to rob America of it's Freedoms!

John McCain made an inadvertent freudian blooper in his speech last night when, in his Excusenik defense of the crimes of Dubya, he said "the greatest attacks on American history" near the very end of his acceptance speech
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: UK Lyn on September 05, 2008, 01:07:44 pm
how staged...
load your guns guys
some voluntaries should assassinate some NWO people, before they kill us

No, try them before a proper court of 12 people good and true, the way it was meant to be.

Then put them behind bars and throw away the key.

For decades to come, school trips to the jails to show our children the faces of the bastards who killed billions.

Best history lesson ever.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: TheGoodFight1984 on September 05, 2008, 01:11:41 pm
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=57228.new#new (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=57228.new#new)

RIP Kenny.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 05, 2008, 01:25:43 pm

This story, by our own Paul Watson, adds greater clarity to Kenny Johannemann's story.

Paul Watson's story on WTC Eye Witnesses to basement explosions (http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/new-eyewitness-to-wtc-basement-level-explosions/)

In the story linked above, watch the video where Anthony Saltalamacia, the morning supervisor for all janitors cooroborates Johannemann's and Rodriguez' story.  Tony mentions both Kenny and William by name referencing their role in rescuing the man with burns from the basement elevator explosions.  Anthony goes on to say that he heard multiple grenade-like exposions.

In Kenny's video testimony, taken on the street moments after the attack, he acknowledges seeing the explosion from the second plane attack, but even though the reporter is asking him about airplane attacks Kenny doesn't talk about airplanes.  It isn't clear that, at this moment, that Kenny even understands that planes hit the buildings.  He says he saw the explosion and people jumping.

Reporter: Were you there for the second hit by the plane?
Kenny: Yeah about ten minutes later the second building went off
Reporter: Did you see it?
Kenny: Yes I saw it.  It just blew up.  A big Explosion.  People started running... there was chaos everywhere.  People jumping out.  People just kept jumping and jumping and jumping and you could still see they were alive because they were flailing around.
Reporter: The FBI has already stepped in to investigate ... it could be possibly a terrorist strike.
Kenny: Very ... It could be.  It could be because there was ... the first one went off and then ten minutes later this just blew up out of nowhere.

The interview continues:

Reporter: Spell your name
Kenny: J o h a n n e m a n n
Reporter: And you were working there?
Kenny: Yes, I was right there.  I was in the B ... I was down in the basement ... came down ... all of a sudden the elevator blew up ... smoke ... I dragged a guy out.  His skin was hanging off.  And I dragged him out and I helped him out to the ambulance.

The sequence of events is clarified in Anthony Saltalamacia's interview:

- Anthony is in his office handing out work assignments to employees
- Anthony gets a call from William Rodriguez saying he wasn't going to make it into work
- Anthony pleads with Rodriguez to come in and persuades him to do so.
- Rodriguez comes in and discusses the days work with Anthony.
- While Anthony and Rodriguez were talking they heard a massive explosion (about 8:46 am)
- They believed the first explosion came from the mechanical room [below them]
- Then they heard "a series" of additional explosions above them
- 14 to 15 people came running and screaming into their office [other janitors? workers?]
- Anthony and William calm the group down.
- The floor starting shaking and the tile above them began to fall down.
- A black man came running into the office "his skin was peeling off ... you could see his flesh"
- William grabbed a cloth and wrapped the man
- More explosions, screaming and confusion
- William tells everyone they have to get out of the building
- They start towards the fire escape leading to the lobby but this exit is filled with smoke
- The group then runs towards the truck dock area carrying the injured black man with them.
- They see the ambulance and "William and Kenny" carried the injured black man to the ambulance.

The multiple explosions and smoke in the basement and lobby could not have resulted from the plane impact above - the elevators were segmented and were not vertically continuous and were sealed and specifically designed to prevent vertical spread of fire.

When William and Kenny assisted the black man to the ambulance this would have been Kenny's first chance to get outside.  In his interview he said he saw the big explosion followed by people jumping.  Does this mean that Kenny actually witnessed the fireball from the impact of the plane or the smoldering gash of the aftermath?  Since he used the words "Yes I saw it.  It just blew up.  A Big explosion." I've got to assume that he actually had a street level view of the fireball from the plane's impact.  However if this is so, it means that the basement elevator explosion and fires he and others witnessed had to occur substantially before the impact of the plane above--giving his group time to get outside through the truck dock. 

Perhaps Kenny Johannemann is only referring to the aftermath of the plane attack (gash in the building, smoke) followed by people jumping.  It would be very important to ask him and get clarification. 

Unfortunately we can no longer ask him about this because Sunday he was shot dead with a bullet to his head.


Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: mike E. dangerously on September 05, 2008, 01:30:50 pm
So,the "removal" of key  9-11 witnesses begins they killed Johannemann as a warning to the others.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: zammmo on September 05, 2008, 01:47:08 pm
I can't figure how they keep getting away with this shit...God bless you Kenny
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Please Wake Up! on September 05, 2008, 01:56:22 pm

Anyone who has any connection with that day in terms of information or evidence of any kind ... should make sure that they have some sort of documented information (video, writing) stating that they would never under any circumstances commit suicide.  Providing of course that they won't ...

Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Anti_Illuminati on September 05, 2008, 01:59:58 pm
To be frank, a mass -and I mean a multi-million citizen MASS march on your capitol is now overdue and necessary.


I agree, and I DISAGREE with Alex Jones on this point.  Just because he says they would nerve gas or neutron bomb a million man march.  Then f**king MARCH on Cheyenne mountain then, march on Northcom and DHS headquarters.  THAT SHIT IS 100% ILLEGAL AND IS NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO EXIST IN THE UNITED STATES, HOW THE F.UCK CAN CAN YOU WIN WHEN THEY'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO MURDER YOU, BUT IF YOU EVEN TALK ABOUT KILLING THEM FOR TREASON YOU GO TO PRISON, THIS IS OUR F.UCKING COUNTRY, THESE ILLEGAL AGENCIES NEED TO BE f**kING REMOVED OFF OF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, WHAT THE F.UCK.  YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO DIE ANYWAYS, SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL DIE TRYING TO SHUT THIS BULLSHIT THE F.UCK DOWN PERMANENTLY.

I know someone who was going to literally launch a war after WACO occurred, Americans are a bunch of pussies and we deserve to be slaves and suffer and die for it.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 05, 2008, 02:03:42 pm
Sorry for missing the obvious in my prior post...

William Rodriguez reports that the explosions below occurred seconds before hearing the impact of the plane above.  This all occurred at approximately 8:46 and is referring to the North Tower.

However the second plane didn't hit the South Tower until 9:03, so William and Kenny had time to escape, helping the injured man to the ambulance and were outside before the second plane hit.  

This means that Kenny did indeed have the chance to see the "big explosion" from the second plane, although he didn't actually witness the plane fly into the building.

So we have multiple witnesses of multiple explosions in the basement--basement explosions that could not have resulted from the plane's impact above.

Whoever perpetrated this, initiated the first basement explosion in the North Tower to occur at approximately the same time as the first plane hit the building.  Subsequent "gernade-like" explosions in the North Tower followed shortly thereafter.  
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Anti_Illuminati on September 05, 2008, 02:10:58 pm
No, try them before a proper court of 12 people good and true, the way it was meant to be.

Then put them behind bars and throw away the key.

For decades to come, school trips to the jails to show our children the faces of the bastards who killed billions.

Best history lesson ever.


"No one need think that the world can be ruled without blood. The civil sword shall and must be red and bloody."

-Andrew Jackson

"Peace, above all things, is to be desired, but blood must sometimes be spilled to obtain it on equable and lasting terms."

-Andrew Jackson
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Typhoon on September 05, 2008, 02:21:04 pm
I think you should stop posting, you're giving us a bad name calling for assinations.

we already have a bad name

"No one need think that the world can be ruled without blood. The civil sword shall and must be red and bloody."

-Andrew Jackson

"Peace, above all things, is to be desired, but blood must sometimes be spilled to obtain it on equable and lasting terms."

-Andrew Jackson

I agree.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 05, 2008, 03:00:01 pm
Re: Should we start killing people?

No

Since we're headed for very dark times ... let's get this clear right now:  We must not stoop to extra-judicial murder.  If we do we become THEM. 

For now we defend our homes.  The time may come when we are forced to openly declare war against the domestic enemies of our beloved nation.  Even when this time comes we will honor the three laws of war:

1) War is only justified as a desperate, defensive measure of last resort.

2) During war use only enough force to achieve moral objectives.

3) Whenever possible, take prisoners.  Provide prisoners with medical care and food and treat them with dignity.

The television series Jericho depicted this well ...

********** WARNING: MAJOR JERICHO SPOILER   ******************

When armed mercenaries violently broke into her home, Bonnie was completely justified in blowing them away.  It was her brave act of standing up to protect her family that, at the cost of her life, started the chain of events leading towards an open revolution against the illegitimate "order out of chaos" corporate government that had taken over.

Likewise we too may be faced with a "Bonnie moment" if martial law is declared and armed guards try to take us to camps or force injections on us. 

When the oppression of the armed forces became intolerable Eric Green contemplated joining forces with murderer Constantino to fight them, but in the end he decided against joining him because Constantino supported a kill first, take no prisoners attitude and Eric did not want to start murdering U.S. troops.

Likewise we too may have to confront these issues as the situation worsens.  Remember the majority of U.S. troops are in uniform because they wanted to serve their country.  We have already seen that some of the best resistance is coming from WITHIN the military.  The Military overwhelmingly supported Ron Paul's campaign.  Admiral Fallon refused to go along with preparations for a preemptive strike against Iran.

We can best defeat the evil forces that confront us now by winning the hearts of those who have sworn an oath to protect the Constitution against domestic enemies.

Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Anti_Illuminati on September 05, 2008, 03:04:59 pm

3) Whenever possible, take prisoners.  Provide prisoners with medical care and food and treat them with dignity.

How many people do you know that have jails or anything that could even remotely secure someone sufficiently within their home?

Question number 2.  How many people even have handcuffs laying around in their home?
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 05, 2008, 03:10:29 pm
Holding prisoners is always a logistical complication, but it's a challenge we must rise to.  Human life is sacred and we should never kill unarmed prisoners for the sake of convenience.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: UK Lyn on September 05, 2008, 03:11:29 pm
A multi-million people march on the Capitol would be enough.

What goon would be foolish enough to fire a single round into a wall of millions of people peacefully marching forward?

Goons are only loyal to what they perceive as the winning side at the time (and a fat paycheck), we all know that, that's why the elite can have certain black-ops dudes do their dirty work.  When the goons see millions of citizens coming, the elite will instantly find themselves without their gunmen.

It just needs that trigger, that zeitgeist, to make it happen.

Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Typhoon on September 05, 2008, 03:30:30 pm
Holding prisoners is always a logistical complication, but it's a challenge we must rise to.  Human life is sacred and we should never kill unarmed prisoners for the sake of convenience.

Human (humane) life is sacred, i agree BUT
Are Illuminists humane?
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Typhoon on September 05, 2008, 03:37:34 pm
What goon would be foolish enough to fire a single round into a wall of millions of people peacefully marching forward?
When the goons see millions of citizens coming, the elite will instantly find themselves without their gunmen.

Yeh right, they dont even have so many rounds to kill even 1% of the citizens.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: KingNeil on September 05, 2008, 06:30:07 pm
Well, if he's already said he heard explosions, he must have revealed everything he knew.

And so, I would assume that he did -- for some reason -- commit suicide. Maybe he -- realising 9/11 was an inside job and realising that this world is f**ked up on a large scale -- decided it would be better to leave this f**ked up place behind.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 05, 2008, 09:34:16 pm
I'm just now listening to the replay of today's Infowars program.  (it's 9:43 pm here in VA)  I heard Alex say that he wasn't reporting on "a suicide" yet because he thought the story might be a hoax.  I compliment Alex on his caution! Far better to be careful and get the facts right!

Ok let's do a bit of digging to see if this story holds up.  The source of the story is Michael Daly of the New York Daily News. 

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/09/03/2008-09-03_911_claims_one_more_victim.html?page=0

Contact Info for the newspaper is here:

Newspaper
Address:450 W. 33 Street, New York, NY 10001
Main phone number: (212) 210-2100
Home delivery phone number: (800) 692-6397
Newsstand phone number: (800) 327-6397
Classified ads: (212) 949-2000 or 1-(800) 223-1660
News tips to City Desk: (212) 210-NEWS
Advertising: (212) 210-2004

http://www.nydailynews.com/services/contact_us/index.html

The New York Daily News operates a well established news website with 49 million page views per month and 8 million unique visitors per month:

http://www.nydailynews.com/features/mediakit/online/demographics_national.html

The New York Daily News also publishes a print version of their newspaper which is distributed to over 2.5 million New York City area residents on weekdays and 2.7 subscribers on Sunday:

http://www.nydailynews.com/features/mediakit/print/demographics.html

So it appears that the New York Daily News paper and website is a very substantial news media operation.

Michael Daly is one of 7 News Columnists that write for this major paper:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/columnists/index.html

In addition Michael Daly is also an author who has published at least two books:

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Mychal-Surprising-Heroic-Father/dp/0312301502/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220666808&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Under-Ground-Michael-Daly/dp/0451191544/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220665692&sr=1-4

So it appears that Michael Daly is a legitimate columnist working for the New York Daily News.

Kenny Johannemann and his story is well known to the 9/11 truth community.  As I highlighted in an earlier post Paul Watson did a story highlighting witnesses to the basement explosions in the North Tower: 

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/new-eyewitness-to-wtc-basement-level-explosions/

His 9/11 street interview was even carried in the foreign media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY7r9nFQqvs

Kenny's service on 9/11 was recognized by his employer:

http://www.abm.com/ilwwcm/resources/file/eb000c0fdc64a5c/Alliance-911.pdf

Ok, so we know the paper is legit, the journalist is legit, Kenny Johannemann is legit.

What about independent confirmation of Kenny's death?  We have this obituary and funeral notice:

http://obits.silive.com/SIAdvance/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=116888128

I commend Alex and the Infowars team on being careful and wanting to confirm the facts before publishing or broadcasting this story.  However I think we have enough confirmation now that we should talk about it.  One tool that we have to prevent future "suicides" of 9/11 witnesses is make darn sure that each and every "suicide" is made very public so that any trend is exposed.

Mark Century





Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: revolt426 on September 05, 2008, 09:46:27 pm
how staged...
load your guns guys
some voluntaries should assassinate some NWO people, before they kill us
1st point, this doesn't look staged at all. He was an alcoholic and lost his family basically according to the reports.

2nd,  We dont advocate violence on the forum,only self defense. The war we face must first be fought by knowledge, whomever strikes first will lose the war.

3rd You should go do research on the NWO "people" history instead of saying we should harm them, and just expose them / discredit them

4th, dont be suprised if you get death threats or even Secret Service at your door within the next few days.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: raiden654 on September 05, 2008, 09:57:29 pm
poor guy.it seems a little 2 late in the game to have him assasinated so him killing himself is more beleiveable to me.but then again it may take awhile to write and process the paperwork required to say kill this man.when i was 14 it took me 2 years to process the paperwork for a bike i stole so maybe it was an assisin.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 05, 2008, 09:57:36 pm
1st point, this doesn't look staged at all. He was an alcoholic and lost his family basically according to the reports.

2nd,  We dont advocate violence on the forum,only self defense. The war we face must first be fought by knowledge, whomever strikes first will lose the war.

3rd You should go do research on the NWO "people" history instead of saying we should harm them, and just expose them / discredit them

4th, dont be suprised if you get death threats or even Secret Service at your door within the next few days.

Hi Revolt426,

I agree that no one should engage in vigilante killing (see my prior post).  However I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that Kenny did kill himself.  You said  Kenny "lost his family basically according to the reports".  However this obituary

http://obits.silive.com/SIAdvance/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=116888128

reports that that Kenny was survived by ...

"his loving parents, loving sister Jacqueline Elling, brother-in-law Raymond Elling, and niece Tyler Elling of Pawleys Island, SC, loving sister Christine Johannemann of Lodi, NJ, and his loving son, Vincent of Port Orange, Fl, grandmother Celia Arroyo, aunt Violetta Maya of Brooklyn, and aunt Marlene Apel of Vernon, NJ."

That's a lot of family -- not likely that he would be homeless and on the street.

When Kenny was interviewed, he came across as very well spoken.  His suicide note, however, is printed (not written in cursive)  includes his birth and death deaths (odd?) and comes across as rather shallow and juvenile.  

Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: revolt426 on September 05, 2008, 10:07:27 pm
Hi Revolt426,

I agree that no one should engage in vigilante killing (see my prior post).  However I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that Kenny did kill himself.  You said  Kenny "lost his family basically according to the reports".  However this obituary

http://obits.silive.com/SIAdvance/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=116888128

reports that that Kenny was survived by ...

"his loving parents, loving sister Jacqueline Elling, brother-in-law Raymond Elling, and niece Tyler Elling of Pawleys Island, SC, loving sister Christine Johannemann of Lodi, NJ, and his loving son, Vincent of Port Orange, Fl, grandmother Celia Arroyo, aunt Violetta Maya of Brooklyn, and aunt Marlene Apel of Vernon, NJ."

That's a lot of family -- not likely that he would be homeless and on the street.

When Kenny was interviewed, he came across as very well spoken.  His suicide note, however, is printed (not written in cursive)  includes his birth and death deaths (odd?) and comes across as rather shallow and juvenile.  



If you think that means anything you've never suffered from depression and drug addiction or alcoholism. I have actually and i've lost most of my family. Certain people cannot handle what others can emotionally. It seems the man most definitely would have been murdered after 9-11 in 2001 Just as the other threats were murdered such has Bill Cooper and the CIA Bin Laden Expert whom was "starting a new job in the towers".. He would have exposed absolutely NOTHING that hasn't been exposed already. What could he possibly say? dead bodies, explosions, fire, molten steel? All exposed already. Strange people in the building in the weeks before? exposed.  He would have been no threat to the perps. And as for being a severe alcoholic, i was one, and addicted to OxyContin for a year as well. Things can get very bad when you're an addict. The alcohol in particular does make people even more depressed most of the time. I would definitely think he commit suicide, until i hear anything from his family saying he was "definitely not suicidle". There are alot of false flags and political murders but not every case is indeed a cover up. When on this forum you can get sucked into a blackhole of cover ups and it adds to paranoia.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 05, 2008, 10:15:05 pm
poor guy.it seems a little 2 late in the game to have him assasinated so him killing himself is more beleiveable to me.but then again it may take awhile to write and process the paperwork required to say kill this man.when i was 14 it took me 2 years to process the paperwork for a bike i stole so maybe it was an assisin.

Hi raiden,

Late in the game?

The game is just starting.  The recognition that 9/11 was mass murder is growing exponentially.  The Bush administration did so much to cover this crime up that they have implicated themselves.  The perpetrators and their NWO handlers must be terrified that they will be exposed and the curtain on their entire "war on terror" will come crashing down. 

Let's be clear:  A BASEMENT EXPLOSION WAS NOT POSSIBLE AS A RESULT OF AN AIRLINE IMPACT 97 FLOORS ABOVE.  (the plane hit the North tower between the 93 and 97 floors and the janitors were on the "B" levels four stories down).

This discrepency alone should be enough to prompt a totally new investigation.

Yet we have explosions in the elevator that occur BEFORE the plane even hit (William Rodriguez) that singe the skin right off of a man.  The eye witnesses that can prove this are important.

If Kenny was indeed killed, by taking out a relatively obscure individual (as opposed to William Rodriguez for example) there is little risk of much publicity (except the New York Daily News ... no one has even picked up on this story).  Yet, it puts all potential whistle blowers and witnesses on notice to stay quiet because the game is very much afoot!



Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 05, 2008, 10:32:40 pm
If you think that means anything you've never suffered from depression and drug addiction or alcoholism. I have actually and i've lost most of my family. Certain people cannot handle what others can emotionally. It seems the man most definitely would have been murdered after 9-11 in 2001 Just as the other threats were murdered such has Bill Cooper and the CIA Bin Laden Expert whom was "starting a new job in the towers".. He would have exposed absolutely NOTHING that hasn't been exposed already. What could he possibly say? dead bodies, explosions, fire, molten steel? All exposed already. Strange people in the building in the weeks before? exposed.  He would have been no threat to the perps. And as for being a severe alcoholic, i was one, and addicted to OxyContin for a year as well. Things can get very bad when you're an addict. The alcohol in particular does make people even more depressed most of the time. I would definitely think he commit suicide, until i hear anything from his family saying he was "definitely not suicidle". There are alot of false flags and political murders but not every case is indeed a cover up. When on this forum you can get sucked into a blackhole of cover ups and it adds to paranoia.

First I'm sorry you've had to deal with depression and other problems.  I hope things are better for you now.

I hear what you're saying about how this forum could add to the heaviness and paranoia.  I'm hoping that we can all take a totally different tack - supporting each other and even in the midst of the darkest moments that we all help each other to stay positive.  I'd like to believe that most of us here are motivated from the positive desire to save our nation and to protect our families.  As for paranonia ... let's be fearless!!  Let's smile and move confidently forward knowing we are doing the right thing.

As for Kenny, I don't know ... you may be right.  It's a shame either way. 

If it was murder, it wouldn't be to prevent information from being brought forth, but rather to send a signal to other witnesses to stay quiet.  You asked why he would be killed now instead of 2001.  Think about it, in 2001 almost everyone believed in the government's fable (I know I did!)  Except for those like Alex and his listeners back then who were primed to recognize 9/11 as a black op it would never have occured to most Americans to doubt.  Now that the majority of Americans have questions and a large percentage has concluded that the Bush Administration was involved in the attacks, the perpetrators must be VERY VERY VERY nervous ... even the Anthrax story is coming unglued.  They know that we know and that we won't stop until they've been brought to justice.

Finally you list several things and say that they have already been "exposed".  Just because the truth movement has collectively agreed on certain facts does not mean anything.  To truly "expose" what you and I know, the truth needs to be established in a trial with evidence and witnesses.

In fact the most dangerous time for these witnesses will be in the months and weeks prior to that trial.

Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: KiwiClare on September 05, 2008, 10:37:59 pm
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1st point, this doesn't look staged at all. He was an alcoholic and lost his family basically according to the reports.


It seems odd to me that he would be killed because of what he saw, given all the others that are still alive and going public, WTC janitor, William Rodriguez being a good example.  As has been mentioned, he reported hearing a huge explosion from the basement and seeing people that had been injured by the blast, didn't he.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8536008651248732897


It's at Digg.com here, if anyone is interested in reading others' comments.
http://digg.com/politics/Key_9_11_Eye_Witness_Commits_Suicide
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: revolt426 on September 05, 2008, 10:42:00 pm
The Truth movement has plenty of Eye Witnesses and Firemen that would testify and have given Interviews, Not to mention Architects, Engineers, Celebrities and countless others. This man was not a threat, it is common knowledge now that bombs went off prior to the collapse of the buildings. John Schroeder blew the lid off that about 5-6 months ago with wearechange. Barry Jennings also did so as did others.........

It just doesn't seem reasonable to me for this man to be murdered to be silenced. What could he possibly have to say that hasn't been said already. We've got so many witnesses, why would the government go risk another F'up cover up and kill a man whom no one's heard of since now.

And as for him and his knowledge of what happened on 9-11. He stated there were explosions in the buildings on camera on 9-11, after the plane hit the building. He was already polarized and this video could easily be found and people would get very curious as you see here. The NWO wouldn't bother with him, they would consider him old news and let him be miserable with the memories of his experiences. Seeing many die, jumping off a building, dragging a man whom has skin falling off out of a building. THese are very traumatic memories and i would point you to the suicide epidemic amongst U.S. Military At the moment.

BTW yes it was a shame - another victom of our Goverment, even if they didn't kill him. Their evil deeds most likely tore his life apart, alongwith his perception of reality and will.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: chris jones on September 06, 2008, 10:23:57 pm
To be frank, a mass -and I mean a multi-million citizen MASS march on your capitol is now overdue and necessary.


Agreed...100%.

Problem, the blood of our ancestors and founding fathers has been watered down. (I speak not of  the patriots that have worked endlessly to carry the word of truth to the people, the marchers, nor the public figures who have come forward.)

I refer to the silent majority, yes those great percentage of human beings who have chosen the easy path , the one of no resistance.
 Be it fear of the Gov., or their family's oppinion, neighbors, or in general society itself and its true blue blind patriotic base, or simply their are a multitude so self centered they care  to remain with their back to the abomination.

History repeats itself, an old cliche, Vietnam was the same, as far as the silent majority and those love it or leave it followers of Government who considered any dissident a anarchist,rabble rousing, hippie, trouble maker, non American or whatever other term they manufactured.
It was not until over 30-40 thousand of Americans sons returned home in coffins that they began to think on their own & to  open their mouths, to mention over 2 million Vietnamese killed, mostly innocents. It must be mentioned in those days journalism existed, not the comic strip propaganda we receive today. Actual war footage was nightly and death counts also.
Even Funerals have been outlawed to be viewed by the press, not so in the old days.
Despite all of the deceptions, degregation & changes the regime has instilled in this nation the truth of this regimes crimes are obvious, in the war and within our domestic process according to the constitution.
Sadly, it is as though the majority will not react until they are effected personally by this regime.
There will be no change in the regime and their elite backers but in their rhetoric and pablum pushing, and unless we stop these wars, as long as they continue and escalate we will not have the power to bring the changes we need to rebuild this nation, nor reinact  our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Brother, the fact alone that we have murdered over 1 million human beings in our illegal war in Iraq alone makes me question the conscience of the Americans hiding from the one thing that remains with light in this nature of human beings, CONSCIENCE.    Freedoms will be lost and the sheeple will not be aware of it until it is to late, despite our efforts to open their eyes.

Change, only when we stop the slaughter we are perpetrating on innocent nations under false pretences.

Hope, I am  sure many hundred of thousand  and patriots others will never resist, however the apathetic and cowardly masses will not surrender to the truth and rise up. Conscience is the creator of heroes and leaders of men, freedom is the battlecry of the courageous.
The good new, yes, the word is out, there are millions who are aware, ledership is required to gather the masses as one, not splinter groups, including those on the inside, AMERCANS ALL who want their country back and an end to the waring.

CJ
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Matthew on September 07, 2008, 05:03:03 am
Please change the headline of this post. What freaking evidence is there that he was "suicided" ?? Booze and depression WILL get ya down. Why jump to conclusions folks?? I'm sure I'm now part of the "cover up".
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: mapko on September 07, 2008, 06:28:57 am
I dont believe it!
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Please Wake Up! on September 07, 2008, 08:03:56 am

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Please change the headline of this post. What freaking evidence is there that he was "suicided" ?? Booze and depression WILL get ya down. Why jump to conclusions folks?? I'm sure I'm now part of the "cover up".

Well, you never know Matthew... Where were you on the night in question?   ;)

I sort of agree with you but not entirely.  The title of the thread is misleading because there is no "proof" that he was suicided.  However, after you hear time and time again about these "suicides", it is hard NOT to jump to conclusions.  For crying out loud within the past few weeks/months we've had the DC Madam, the Anthrax guy.  Who am I missing?  That's just in the past few months.  It's crazy.  Then, today I log on to read about this David Kelly situation -- suicide? Really?  Hmmmm... I had never really read anything about his "suicide" before today because I was still living in a fog of cluelessness when it it happened.  Then you've got all the people associated with the Clinton's who have committed suicide, how about the Enron guy?  Shall I go on?  My point is... You are right the headline is misleading but ... WTF?!?!?!



       

Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Dig on September 07, 2008, 08:26:05 am
Please change the headline of this post. What freaking evidence is there that he was "suicided" ?? Booze and depression WILL get ya down. Why jump to conclusions folks?? I'm sure I'm now part of the "cover up".

That is a priceless post.

1) My demand..."Please change the headline of this post."

2) Logical analysis... "What evidence...Booze and depression...Why jump to conclusion..."

3) Self sacrifice accompanied by blatant sarcasm (my favorite)... "I'm sure I'm now part of the 'cover up.'"

Which cover up are you referring to?  Because there are about 100 concerning 9/11. Key 9/11 witness was suicided.  Please visit the "How to kill a whistleblower and get away with it" board to understand that this is now becoming almost a daily event:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=316.0
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Biggs on September 07, 2008, 08:38:49 am
I am inclined to agree with Sane here, mainly due to the fact that when you observe the goings on for a period of time, it quickly becomes apparent that a statistically unreasonable number of people who can dish real evidence against a conspiracy or system seem to die from suicide, car accidents, unsolved shootings, falling down stairwells/off balconies, 'accidental' drug overdoses and so on. Indeed most of them end up going such ways, which statistically is to say the least, highly unlikely.

So yes in any individual case there may not be a wealth of evidence, sometimes there is - Dr David Kelly - and sometimes not - but there is a clear pattern which cannot be ignored.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: birgit on September 07, 2008, 08:45:43 am
Well, you never know Matthew... Where were you on the night in question?   ;)

I sort of agree with you but not entirely.  The title of the thread is misleading because there is no "proof" that he was suicided.  However, after you hear time and time again about these "suicides", it is hard NOT to jump to conclusions.  For crying out loud within the past few weeks/months we've had the DC Madam, the Anthrax guy.  Who am I missing?  That's just in the past few months.  It's crazy.  Then, today I log on to read about this David Kelly situation -- suicide? Really?  Hmmmm... I had never really read anything about his "suicide" before today because I was still living in a fog of cluelessness when it it happened.  Then you've got all the people associated with the Clinton's who have committed suicide, how about the Enron guy?  Shall I go on?  My point is... You are right the headline is misleading but ... WTF?!?!?!

And we all know clintooons work with the boosh's on this entire disassembly of our liberty.
we are still way too naive for what these elitist swine are capable of,but their track record should speak for itself.
Suspect them of anything until proven otherwise.( did not say convict them, suspect them,investigate).

We KNOW that 911 rescue workers are not getting any help, this poor guy probably asked for and was also rejected
Even if they did not actively assist in his suicide, they pushed him into that direction by refusing the aid he gave himself
when it counted.

Just like TPTB do it to the vets who come  home, become homeless, are sick and kill themselves.No one in gubermint is doing sh!t to help them, that in itself is an act to push them towards a 'cheap way out'(for the gubermint)
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Dig on September 07, 2008, 08:48:05 am
I am inclined to agree with Sane here, mainly due to the fact that when you observe the goings on for a period of time, it quickly becomes apparent that a statistically unreasonable number of people who can dish real evidence against a conspiracy or system seem to die from suicide, car accidents, unsolved shootings, falling down stairwells/off balconies, 'accidental' drug overdoses and so on. Indeed most of them end up going such ways, which statistically is to say the least, highly unlikely.

So yes in any individual case there may not be a wealth of evidence, sometimes there is - Dr David Kelly - and sometimes not - but there is a clear pattern which cannot be ignored.

Here is my main concern...who is investigating the true cause of death?  Is anyone?  Why not, when it obviously cannot be ruled out that he was suicided?

Show the evidence that he was suicided can be ruled out and then we can look into the title of this thread.

A 9/11 witness at his level was definitely a target, no doubt about that one.  Also, how does CIA/FBI/CoIntelPro suicide someone.  Remember that these are the same people that over 40 years ago went to MLK and told him to kill himself.  When MLK told them to f**k off, they executed him in cold blood. 

These guys have a 50 year record of "suiciding" opposition, so anyone in the truth movement that suddenly gets "suicided" should have the actual cause of death thoroughly investigated.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Biggs on September 07, 2008, 09:36:02 am
I could not agree more, it is not by any means a recent development, made worse by the fact that they can use mind control slaves/MKUltra victims/Manchurian candidates to do the dirty deeeds for them. However, even without these they seem to have a steady enough suply of experienced assassins who will go in and do the job and make it look like suicide or accidental death. Or at least confuse the crime scene evidence enough to dissuade local cops from taking the case further and spending 3 years of their career investgating the case to come up against brick walls of fedferal silence and end up facing threats themselves.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: lazarus on September 07, 2008, 09:58:57 am
these killings can be for two reasons the way see it:

1. The globalist/neocons or a subset, have realized they have lost the battle, in this case 9/11 truth, and are eliminating witnesses that can be used in jury proceedings. Similarly the telecom/white house deal would more be about hiding past conversations that spying on us now. Conversations that could be used for the prosecution.

2. They are still fighting the truth with the delusion that they can win and maintain control.

or some combination of the 2.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Aaron on September 07, 2008, 10:47:49 am
Have a look how late in the game the JFK witnesses were bumped off..

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/deaths.html
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Biggs on September 07, 2008, 11:00:27 am
Have a look how late in the game the JFK witnesses were bumped off..

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/deaths.html

ahhh, thank you for that link, I have wanted a list of them for ages.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Please Wake Up! on September 07, 2008, 04:47:00 pm

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people who can dish real evidence against a conspiracy or system seem to die from suicide, car accidents, unsolved shootings, falling down stairwells/off balconies, 'accidental' drug overdoses and so on.

The mention of car accident in this comment made me think of something.  A few years back an instrumental person in the autism/vaccinations controversy died in a car accident.  At the time there were a lot of questions about the accident.  I remember one odd thing about the accident was that in the newspaper articles around the time, it mentioned that the drivers son was also in the car... The articles claimed that the boy was taken to a specific hospital but the hospital didn't have any record of the boy being there.  There were other strange issues regarding the death.  At the time, I remember a few people bringing up the issue of a very suspicious death and possible government involvement ... I didn't believe it for a second.  I now wonder.  Here was some info on the woman, Liz Birt. 

http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2005/12/liz-birt-1956-2005.html

Here was the piece of info about the son of the driver who was sent to the hospital but then the hospital claimed that he was not there:

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Michael Felt later was airlifted to Children's Hospital in Denver, according to the State Patrol, although officials at that hospital said Wednesday evening they had no patient by that name.

This was written and sent just 6 weeks before she died:

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November 3, 2005

Senator Mike Enzi

290 Russell Senate Office Building

Washington, D.C. 20510

Dear Senator Enzi:

I am the parent of a vaccine injured child whose story is set out in the book "Evidence of Harm". I urge you to put the interests of America's citizens before those of the pharmaceuctical industry. Passage of Senate Bill 1873 as proposed will only encourage vaccine manufacturers to take greater risks in the development and testing of vaccines administered to our nation.

This past summer I spent over 300 hours preparing a detailed memo for your staff in order to assist them in evaluating the role that our federal health agencies have played in the use and promotion of use of vaccines containing a known neurotoxin, thimerosal. I spent hours with your staff and arranged for many key scientists to present information to your committee. I have been told that the investigation is ongoing but I urge you to make this a priority. Just today, a paper authored by Dr. Thomas Burbacker, an associate professor in the Department of Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences at the University of Washington's School of Public Health, was released by Enviornmental Health Perspectives, a peer reviewed publication of the NIH, demonstrating in primates that ethyl mercury in the form of thimerosal is far more toxic to the brain than methylmercury. The CDC is now encouraging everyone including babies and pregnant women to get flu vaccines that contain thimerosal, a known neurotoxin. This is at best reckless behavior on the part of our public health officials. To me it is immoral.

I have spent the majority of my professional time since 2000 working on the issue of whether or not vaccines are related to the epidemic of autism that is plaguing our country. I have been hopeful that our federal government would take the lead in investigating this issue. I spent many hours reviewing documents provided by our federal health agencies and pharmaceutical companies relating to this issue when I was on staff for the House Committee on Government Reform and as counsel to SAFEMINDS. What I found was shocking. After seeing the text of Senate Bill 1873 I no longer have faith in our elected officials in Washington. This bill exploits the fear of a pandemic of bird flu to give the vaccine manufacturers blanket immunity for products that they produce. This has been a consistent theme for years from the Bush administration which was discounted last fall by Dr. Tony Faucci, head of NIAID who was quoted by the Associated Press on October 20, 2004 stating "But that is only a very small part of the problem (liability for manfacturers)"..."More significant, are the low-profit margin vaccines provide, unpredictable demand and the complexity of the manufacturing process... The fragility of the vaccine enterprise is an issue that has been present for decades...It has been an accident waiting to happen." Senator Enzi, if product liability wasn't a problem in 2004 why now? Why all of a sudden is Dr. Faucci claiming the opposite? Further, why does Senate Bill 1873 exempt the entire process from FOIA and FACA review? Is it because of the fact that in the case of the thimerosal controversy too much was uncovered? It just doesn't pass the "smell" test to the average American.

The cost to society of vaccine induced illness especially autism are enormous. We have a tidal wave of children who are neurologically impaired in this country and no one in Washington is doing anything productive to find out why. In addition, autism is now being diagnosed in huge numbers in developing countries where American pharmaceutical companies have been shipping thimerosal containing vaccines. I recently received information that China may have as many as 5 million children with autism and that this is a new disorder to that country. What will the world say about our nation when the truth comes out?

We have been asking for access to the CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink system since 2001 and nothing has happened. If there isn't a problem with vaccines containing thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders the CDC should be doing cartwheels and rolling out the red carpet to independent researchers instead of digging in and making it virtually impossible for a respectable researcher to access this database. The Institute of Medicine made very specific requests in its report released this year regarding the VSD, "Vaccine Safety Research, Data Access and Public Trust", but to date nothing to my knowledge has been implemented. Further, they questioned why the CDC moved the ownership of the VSD database to a private entity in 2002 making it impossible for independent researchers to access data gathered in 2001 and after. This move by CDC only increases public distrust since analysis of VSD data in years 2001 and after would demonstrate a fall off in cases of neurodevelopmental disorders related to thimerosal removal from vaccines. I am firmly convinced that the reason this was done was to keep the VSD data safe from independent scientific scrutiny so that only those affiliated with the managed care organizations and employees of the National Immunization Program would have access to this data.

It is time that federal elected officials get in touch with the people who elected them to office. There is a huge disconnect between what goes on in Washington and what is happening in our communities. I truly believe that the solutions to this problem will come from the individual states who are shouldering much of the burden of this epidemic. It will only worsen as these children age and become dependent on the states for services. When the public realizes what has happened they will vote those responsible out of office. I believe in democracy and justice. In the end historians will write that in the case of the "thimerosal generation" the coverup was far worse than the crime.

Sincerely,

 

Elizabeth Birt, J.D., L.L.M.

Parent of a vaccine injured child





Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: dogmadestroyer on September 07, 2008, 04:56:54 pm
This is sadly not expected. Whether he was suicided or actually couldn't live with himself we'll probably never know.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Dan on September 08, 2008, 11:29:15 am
Remember about the habits of people. 

People will sit here and learn all about what is bad in this world, yet will do nothing.  Why?  Because it doesn't affect them yet.  You can write all the laws you want removing peoples rights and liberties, but until you start knocking on their doors to arrest them for thinking too loud, they will do nothing.

That is what Jefferson meant in the Declaration of Independence.

Dan

Ps RIP
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: MarkCentury on September 09, 2008, 01:59:25 pm
Rosie includes a mention of Kenny in her September blog:

http://www.rosie.com/

(this link only valid Sept 08 -- after that look for the Sept. blog in the archive)
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: shirteesdotnet on September 17, 2008, 01:22:35 pm
Dylan Avery of Loose Change fame writes on the blog that Barry Jennings passed away...

http://www.loosechange911.com/blog/?p=238

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The rumors have been circulating for weeks, and I refused to believe them, but apparently they’re true.

Barry Jennings passed away on 8/19/2008, two days before NIST’s WTC7 report was released to the public.

Michael Hess has now gone on record with the BBC claiming that no explosions took place inside WTC7.

I am officially freaked out.

My absolute and unrelenting condolences go to Barry’s family and friends.  This is truly horrible.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: DavidIg on January 01, 2009, 01:22:11 pm
To be frank, a mass -and I mean a multi-million citizen MASS march on your capitol is now overdue and necessary.


LOL, as if.....you seem to think that most people are aware of any of this and can even join the dots.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Biggs on January 02, 2009, 11:40:09 am
LOL, as if.....you seem to think that most people are aware of any of this and can even join the dots.

there are a lot more people aware than you think, at least on some level or another, however, I am not claiming we are at critical mass stage, and even then there are many forces stopping people protesting in such a way, not least of all the economic fear of being arrested by the fascist police troopers and losing their job due to scumbag employers.
Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: DavidIg on January 03, 2009, 07:55:53 pm
I drive a taxi part time, and I can assure you the opposite is happening, ie, people are switching off and focusing on having "fun".
I've tried all sorts of different approaches talking to people, but it's irrelevant, cause as things get worse, people become even more clueless.
I've said many times before, as long as the JNWO be careful, they're under no threat whatsoever, especially as they can kill whoever they want.

Title: Re: URGENT: Key 9/11 Eye Witness Is Suicided
Post by: Juntawatch on February 20, 2009, 09:45:56 am
You cannot be afraid if you are going to do this work.

PS! If you are in a prominent position or are into moving into one, you might want to advise those close to you to take care. If, you cannot be touched, they may seek to "break your spiritit" by eliminating those around you ... that would scare you right? Seeing your spirit break is also pleasurable, nothing compares, to them ...

Well, according to CSM in the X-Files anyways ...

I am warning all those close to me ...
Car drivers — check brakes, Travellers — No Fly if can avoid, etc ...

Take extra care, tell everyone.

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