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Title: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on September 10, 2016, 07:19:35 am
The "28 pages"

The declassified 28 pages from the report of the congressional Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11 can be read in their originally-released PDF format by clicking the image...

Below, we’ve posted a full transcription of the 28 pages as a service to anyone who finds this format easier to read or work with.
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

The Joint Inquiry                    Ended Dec 2002

The 9-11 commission report    Ended July 2004

The Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 is the official name of the inquiry conducted by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence into the activities of the U.S. Intelligence Community in connection with the September 11, 2001 attacks. The investigation began in February 2002 and the final report was released in December 2002.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Inquiry_into_Intelligence_Community_Activities_before_and_after_the_Terrorist_Attacks_of_September_11,_2001

Hereafter referred to as "The Joint Inquiry" or JI:

https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

The "28 pages" are not from the 9-11 commission, they are from the JI. By November 27, 2002 The JI was nearly wrapping up and just days earlier news reports were describing Saudi Arabian involvement and unexplained CIA/FBI "blunders".

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States was established on November 27, 2002, by President George W. Bush and the United States Congress 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission

Hereafter referred to as The 9-11 commission:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/sept11/911Report.pdf

The "28 pages" are not from the 9-11 commission, they are from the JI. Just knowing that puts you ahead of most pundits and the General Public.

Since I was confidant of a bulk of the "28 pages" content, I knew the rebuttal to them would be "The 9-11 commission investigated The Saudis and cleared everything up." I had always assumed that was the main point of the 9-11 commission, along with explaining the U.S. "Intelligence failures", particularly of the CIA. Since the 28 pages from the JI have been hidden for nearly 14 years, I've had 12 years (9-11 commission released in July 2004)to examine whether "The Saudis were exonerated" and the "Intelligence failures" explained. "The Saudis" were not exonerated and the "Intelligence failures" were not explained. The intention of this thread is to be a follow up to the thread made before the release of the so called "28 pages" seen here....

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=254040.0

The "star" of the 28 pages is Saudi Ambassador (at the time) Prince Bandar, aka Bandar Bush. His "co-stars" would be Osama Basnan, Fahad Al-Thumairy, and Omar Al-Bayoumi. U.S. "Intelligence failures", are still classified, along with other things that we are supposed to believe are not worth mentioning or were "looked into and cleared". That is BS.

THE JOINT INQUIRY INTO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 (public version released July 2003 -where the 28 pages were blacked out ):

Bandar mentioned 0 times.
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Thumairy mentioned 0 times.
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Omar al-Bayoumi mentioned 32 times
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Osama Bassnan mentioned 13 times
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Abu Zubaydah mentioned 2 times
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

The "28 pages" (that was blacked out of the THE JOINT INQUIRY INTO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001)until finally released in July 2016

Bandar mentioned 18 times
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

Thumairy mentioned 5 times
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

So every time Bandar and Thumairy were mentioned in THE JOINT INQUIRY INTO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 -it was censored out.

In July of 2003 when the JI was released to the public Bush explained why these pages were removed from their public report....

July 30, 2003
Bush Won't Reveal Saudi 9/11 Info

The Saudis have complained that they cannot respond to a report they cannot see. But Bush made plain he has no intention of declassifying the material.


"I absolutely have no qualms at all because there's an ongoing investigation into the 9-11 attacks, and we don't want to compromise that investigation," Mr. Bush said at an earlier news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in the Rose Garden.

"If people are being investigated, it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters before meeting with al-Faisal.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-wont-reveal-saudi-9-11-info-30-07-2003/

So it would seem to be clear, that Thumairy and Bandar were at the least, two targets of the investigation Bush mentions as the reason for the classification.

This is the preposterous idiotic story we are supposed to believe...

(http://memeguy.com/photos/images/mrw-im-listening-to-someone-tell-bullshit-lies-and-i-have-proof-against-them-80294.gif)

Poor Bush. And how unfortunate for Bandar. Imagine how it must have been for Bush to have his good buddy under investigation for the worst mass murder in American History. He couldn't tell his friend Bandar anything, because......

"If people are being investigated, it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters before meeting with al-Faisal.

Law enforcement all across America everyday let people know they are being investigated every time they execute a search warrant and "take someone downtown" for questioning. But Bush wont allow that. Because that would "compromise" the investigation. You see, Bush knew when they do that, it almost always "let them know who they are". Evidently, questioning suspects and issuing search warrants ruins investigations 'cause now they know they are being investigated!

Talking to, or interviewing anyone who knows the suspects is also a sure way to blow any investigation, they get "tipped off" and then know they are being investigated, according to Inspector Bush. Law enforcement sure could learn a thing or two from the former President as he plays it cool and keeps the investigation from being "compromised". Imagine how difficult it must have been for Bush to put aside his curiosity and shock,  ::) upon hearing how his close friend is financially supporting a now convicted felon, who is a Bin Laden devotee in America, Bandar at the same time was being connected to Abu Zubaduh in Afghanistan, who Intelligence Officials were already (before 9/11) suspecting of being involved in an upcoming terrorist attack. Is this the reason Bush inter-feared in the JI investigation? Because their investigation was getting to obvious that it was an investigation? I've never heard any other excuse for the President refusing to allow the JI to talk with the FBI counter-terrorism informant who was housing these same hijackers connected to his Saudi Friends. Any investigation would obviously want to talk with any FBI informant whose tenants were 9/11 hijackers and had also met at least 1 other hijacker.

I guess we are supposed to believe that the following isn't Bush interfering with the JI, but instead Bush saving them from "compromising" their investigation...LOL! Really?!?

The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying  page 51/858
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

The White house breached the constitution separation of powers in order to muzzle the JI but had no problem investigating the JI investigators....see....
 
https://books.google.com/books?id=sOUFNF3tQGAC&pg=PT47&dq=they+had+been+muzzled+into+silence&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCzPXkhIXPAhWBHT4KHdP2CFMQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=they%20had%20been%20muzzled%20into%20silence&f=false
 
Gosh..it must have been tough on him.....while, Bush and his Buddy Bandar were discussing how to kill Saddam and get into Iraq, Bush couldn't say a peep on how his buddy was being "investigated". However, any "investigation" might tip them off that they were being investigated, and therefor "compromise" the investigation. So, not having an investigation on why his Saudi friend was paying thousands and thousands of dollars to an enthusiastic supporter of Bin Laden, who is helping to get terrorists into America and is a convicted felon (Osama Basnan) If there is no investigation into why Abu Zubaduh is connected to an unlisted number of a business in Aspen Colorado then the investigation wont get "compromised". The business is called ASPCOL, which is Bandars company, and it has one(full time) employee, who manages ASPCOL. He's one of Prince Bandar's Lawyers.

From "the 28 pages":

According to FBI documents, several of the phone numbers found in the phone book of Abu Zubaida, a senior al-Qa’ida operative captured in Pakistan in March 2002, could be linked at least indirectly, to telephone numbers in the United States. One of those U.S. numbers is subscribed to by the ASPCOL Corp., which is located in Aspen, Colorado, and manages the affairs of the Colorado residents of the Saudi Ambassador Bandar. The FBI noticed that ASPCOL has an unlisted telephone number.
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

Not anymore

Aspcol Corporation
418 East Cooper Avenue # 202
Aspen, CO 81611 - View Map
Phone: (970) 925-1214
Own This Business?
Aspcol Corporation
A privately held company in Aspen, CO.

More Details for Aspcol Corporation

Categorized under Operators of Nonresidential Buildings. Our records show it was established in 1991 and incorporated in Colorado. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of 110000 and employs a staff of approximately 1.


William Jordan
Manager

http://www.manta.com/c/mmsrw93/aspcol-corporation

Why doesn't Bandar want this all cleared up?

William Jordan, an Aspen attorney who handled Bandar’s local affairs, could not be reached for comment on Friday.
http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/171823

from 28 pages:

The Denver office did not attempt to make any local inquiries about ASPCOL, as they believed that any inquiries regarding ASPCOL would be quickly known by Prince Bandar’s employees. Due to the sensitivity of this matter, they decided to hold their investigation of ASPCOL in abeyance until they received additional guidance from FBI Headquarters. According to the FBI, the phone number of an individual named ——– ——— of McLean, Virginia was found within the effects of Abu Zubaida. ——– is reportedly a bodyguard at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, DC. The FBI now suspects that he may be a ———— ————. In a September 17, 2002 document, the FBI notes that the Bureau is opening an investigation on ——- due to the size and value of his residence and his suspicious activity in approaching U.S. Intelligence Community personnel. It also appears that ———- has been in contact with ———- ———— ———-, which is located at ————–, in McLean Virginia. The FBI has identified this address as the address of Prince Bandar.
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

Oh, FBI agents wanted to investigate and were able to get some information......

FBI WFO case agents and FCPD* detectives who say they’ll never forgive the Bush admin for throttling their investigation of leads back to Saudi Embassy and Bandar himself in McLean. they view the former POTUS as a traitor.”[/b]
http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/12/15/murdochs-nypost-today-backs-michael-moore-bush-saudi-claims-from-fahrenheit-911

An ongoing investigation that doesn't investigate is the only way to get to the bottom of this. Right? LOL!!!

"it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters

The FBI did not volunteer to the JI they had an informant who had the first two 9/11 hijackers in America living with him. The JI found this out themselves when they were doing an investigation that Bush courageously stopped-  he seemed to realize this was an investigation and therefor threatened to "compromise" everything. LOL! Is that really what we are supposed to believe?

The connection, just discovered by congressional investigators, has stunned some top counter terrorism officials and raised new concerns about the information-sharing among U.S. law-enforcement and intelligence agencies. The two hijackers, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, were hardly unknown to the intelligence community. The CIA was first alerted to them in January 2000.....
http://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informant-who-lived-hijackers-144439

The CIA was first alerted to them in January 2000  <<--The JI investigation into this is still classified.

The JI was 2/3 the way toward their Dec deadline when they "discovered" this informant the FBI failed to tell them about.

But the belated discovery has unsettled some members of the joint House and Senate intelligence committees investigating the 9-11 attacks. The panel is tentatively due to begin public hearings as early as Sept. 18, racing to its end-of-the-year deadline. But some members are now worried that they won't get to the bottom of what really happened by then. Support for legislation creating a special blue-ribbon investigative panel, similar to probes conducted after Pearl Harbor and the Kennedy assassination, is increasing. Only then, some members say, will the public learn whether more 9-11 secrets are buried in the government's files.
http://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informant-who-lived-hijackers-144439
 
And Poor Bandar! The whole time he wants desperately to respond to the 28 pages,...but alas.. he can't! Bush wont let him know what's in them. And in a cruel irony......it turns out....Bandar himself is in them! He had no idea!! Mentioned at least 18 times that we know of.

"It is my belief that the reason a classified section that allegedly deals with foreign governments is absent from the report is most likely because the information contained in it could not be substantiated," Bandar said. "Saudi Arabia has nothing to hide. We can deal with questions in public, but we cannot respond to blank pages."
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/29/nation/na-saudi29

See? Bandar would be happy to answer this stuff in public! But that darn G Bush will have non of it. He wont allow any "compromised investigation" on his watch. Bandar will just have to wonder like everyone else what is in the pages. LOL! The amazing BS they get away with!

Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, who is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, urged Bush in a letter Monday to fully declassify the 28-page section.

"That will permit the Saudi government to deal with any questions which may be raised in the currently censored pages, and allow the American people to make their own judgment about who are our true friends and allies in the war on terrorism," Graham wrote
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/29/nation/na-saudi29

That almost sounds like transparency, Nice try, but Bush will "stay the course" because... "it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters  LOL!! What nonsense! Reporters? More like stenographers.

But it's all been cleared up now. They said so on TV and in a paper I read. LOL!! Some people will believe anything.

CNN on the released "28 pages":

While the alleged association with Bandar revealed in the newly declassified pages does not provide direct evidence the prince was complicit in the 9/11 attacks, it raises new questions about Saudi Arabia's involvement.
The connection to Bandar was made through Zubaydah's phone book, retrieved during the Pakistani raid in which he was taken. In it, the FBI found numbers linked to the United States, including an unlisted number for a company that managed Bandar's estate in Aspen, Colorado. An unlisted number was also found for a bodyguard who worked at the Saudi Embassy in Washington.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/28-pages-saudi-prince-bandar-9-11/

[That was CNN. They are supposed to be a news company. This was news to them "it raises new questions about Saudi Arabia's involvement." WTF? I thought the reason CNN and the rest of us couldn't have access to this information was .."because there's an ongoing investigation into the 9-11 attacks, and we don't want to compromise that investigation," Mr. Bush said at an earlier news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in the Rose Garden

"If people are being investigated, it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters before meeting with al-Faisal.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-wont-reveal-saudi-9-11-info-30-07-2003/

So? What did the investigation show? No one knows? There was no investigation. It was a cover up.

There was no investigation. Listen to what Congressman S Lynch says at around 3:28...
"The FBI never engaged in an investigation of the Saudi connection."
http://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2016/09/06/lynch-september-saudi

There was no investigation. There was a cover up, a cover up that was essential to have a "preemptive" war in Iraq. See? The U.S. Administration wanted a war. It just didn't want a war with a country who had elements directly involved in the 9/11 attack. They are instead protected. It's called treason. Treason to proceed with mass murder. The 3000 dead on 9-11 was just the start. This treasonous cover up resulted in trillions of dollars spent, the loss of credibility of the U.S. on the world stage, a lot of dead people, chaos, and torture. But it's matter of perspective-----Bush was one of the best Presidents ever- - - for Saudi Arabia and Israel.


Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on September 11, 2016, 05:41:21 pm
Not everything in the 28 pages have been declassified,....

Excerpts from article:

Despite ‘28 pages’ release, Saudi’s 9/11 involvement still buried
September 10, 2016


The Obama administration blacked-out critical information throughout the document.

In all, there are nearly 100 separate redactions, ranging from single words, such as names of Saudi suspects, to paragraphs and entire sections of text. Obama’s censors offered no reason why any of that information had to be kept secret 15 years after the attacks, even though such explanations are required as part of declassification reviews.


The 29 pages reveal numerous, reinforcing connections between Saudi officials and the 9/11 hijackers.

The White House and Riyadh hoped the public would move on after the partial release of the 29 pages.

“Now that the declassification is complete,” said Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir, “we hope to continue our close cooperation with the US.” Not so fast. With so much still hidden from public view, the release of the 29 pages should be just the start of 9/11 transparency, not the end of it.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/10/despite-28-pages-release-saudis-911-involvement-still-buried/

Al Hazmi and Al-Mihdhar, the first hijackers to arrive in America, arrived on Jan 15 2000. They moved to San Diego in early Feb 2000.

FBI Investigation report that Saudi Officials are contact men for 9/11 terrorists

"FBI Los Angeles Investigative Results:
Los Angeles has determined that __________may be a potential contact of the hijackers and __________ in Los Angeles. ________is an administrative officer at the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles and may have diplomatic status. _________is also believed to be one of the Imans at the King Fahad mosque.___________also fits the description, as provided_____________of the individual that ____________met at the Saudi consulate prior to _____________"chance" meeting with the hijackers at the restaurant."

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-09-04-FBI-Fahad-Al-Thumairy.pdf

Source from:
9/4/2002: FBI Information Control Sheet, Fahad Al-Thumairy
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-09-04-FBI-Fahad-Al-Thumairy.pdf

Fahad al-Thumairy is the name being deleted as the potential contact of the hijackers. Fahad al-Thumairy was an administrative officer at the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles, Bin Don provided the description that Bayoumi met at the Saudi consulate prior to his "chance" meeting with the hijackers. Fahad al-Thumairy's name appears no where in the unclassified version of the joint inquiry. Therefore Fahad al-Thumairy is mentioned in the 28 pages that have been censured from the joint inquiry.


What led investigators to Fahad Thumairy seems to be interviews with Qualid Benomrane. Fahad Al-thumairy is named as the suspected "contact" in America for the hijackers according to FBI investigators.

Qualid Benomrane is not mentioned in the Joint Inquiry that the "28 pages" came from, he is not mentioned in the "28 pages" that were recently declassified, and he is not mentioned in the 9-11 commission Report. However he is mentioned in the 9-11 commission report footnotes(where the real story is)and is certainly mentioned in FBI investigators reports. It seems very hard to believe the Joint Inquiry never mentioned him, since it seems he was the lead that led to Thumairy. It would appear therefor, that he is still being "classified" from the JI and 28 pages.

According to the footnotes of the 9-11 commission:

The most intriguing lead concerns an Arabic-speaking taxicab driver, Qualid Benomrane, who was arrested on immigration charges in early 2002. When asked to look at a series of photographs that included the 19 hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks, Benomrane responded ambiguously, seeming first to pick out the photographs of Hazmi and Mihdhar but then denying that he recognized them.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

They are referring to this FBI report:

During the interview, Benomrane was shown photographs of all the hijackers, and numerous photographs of unrelated individuals. Benomrane looked at all the photographs carefully and placed all the photographs in a pile on the left side of the desk. When he viewed the photographs of Al-Mihdhar and Al-Hazmi, he placed the photographs on the right side of the desk. Once he had gone through all the photographs, he mixed the photographs and stated that he did not recognize anyone from the photos. FBI Los Angeles is of the opinion that Benomrane may have been less than truthful with the investigators regarding his recognition of anyone from the photographs.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

The 9-11 commission footnote goes on...

Later in the interview, Benomrane told the FBI about driving “two Saudis” around Los Angeles and to San Diego’s Sea World after being introduced to them by Thumairy at the King Fahd mosque before 9/11. According to Benomrane, someone at the consulate had asked Thumairy to assist the two Saudis, who had recently arrived in Los Angeles and had moved to an apartment near the mosque. page 532/585
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

see page 2/6 from this FBI report on Benomrane taking the "two Saudis" to Sea World....
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

The 9-11 commission footnote goes on...

Working with agencies of the U.S. government, we have attempted to locate and interview Benomrane overseas, since he was deported in 2002. After checking many possible avenues of corroboration for this story, our investigation has not substantiated the hypothesis that Benomrane’s “two Saudis” were Hazmi and Mihdhar. In fact, we have established that Benomrane did not obtain a taxi license, or even a driver’s license, until months after he could be supposed to have chauffeured Hazmi and Mihdhar.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

Here is the 9-11 commission copy of the DMV report on Benomrane:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2609699

While it does appear that he registered a 1993 truck as a commercial taxi on 02-20-2001 (Page 3/5)
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2609699

Which is about a year after the hijackers arrived in L.A.(Jan 15 2000)I fail to see that he didn't have a drivers license. (Benomrane did not obtain a taxi license, or even a driver’s license until months after he could be supposed to have chauffeured Hazmi and Mihdhar. -911 commission footnote)

On page 2/5 his DMV report says his DL expired 04/29/03
EXP 04/29/03
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2609699

Unless I'm missing something, that would mean he did have a valid DL in Jan of 2000. When I lived in CA from 1982-2001 mine was always good for 4 years.

The 9-11 commission footnote goes on...

Moreover, before his deportation, Benomrane described the two Saudis as sons of a sick father who was seeking medical treatment in Los Angeles. We have found evidence corroborating this account. 
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

And how does Benomrane know the Saudis were the "sons of a sick father who was seeking medical treatment in Los Angeles." ?

From FBI report:

Benomrane was told by Sheik Fahad that the Saudis were here to see their sick father who was in a local hospital.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

We have found evidence corroborating this account.  9-11 commission
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

If their "evidence corroborating this account" is the following....I wouldn't exactly call that evidence. If the following is not their "evidence corroborating this account", then what is?

Interview with Fahad Al-Thumairy of Saudi Arabia

He stated that a man named _________ came to the U.S. with his sick father who needed medical treatment. Notably, without being asked, Thumairy volunteered that he did not find an apartment for these visitors or make any reservations for them. page 4-13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Benomrane described the two Saudis as being approximately 21 and 25 years old, and told by Thumairy they were sons of a sick father. Thumairy (who claims to not know Benomrane, or even Bayoumi, despite phone records proving his lies)describes the two Saudis he "didn't really help" as a sick father and his son.

The 9-11 commission knows Thumairy lied throughout his interview with them as pointed out here...

Our general impression of Thumairy is that he was deceptive during both interviews.....
https://cryptome.org/2014/09/saudi-911-interviews.pdf

That's all the information the 9-11 Commission Report, and it's footnotes tell us about Qualid Benomrane.

But there is more.....
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on September 12, 2016, 11:38:35 pm
That's all the information the 9-11 Commission Report, and it's footnotes tell us about Qualid Benomrane.

But there is more.....

Qualid Benomrane, not mentioned in the JI. Not mentioned in the released "28 pages". Not mentioned in the 9-11 commission report. Barely mentioned as a footnote in the 9-11 commission reports' back pages, and only then as a "most intriguing lead" but later dismissed for seemingly nonsensical reasons. Yet he is the reason Thumairy-Basnan-Bayoumi-Bandar and their role came to light. How did that happen?

It started with the LAPD, when the manager of an apartment building called the police after 9/11 happened:

Immediately after 9/11, he told police, the men shaved their beards, changed out of traditional Islamic garb, and stopped praying openly and attending the King Fahd mosque, one of the area’s largest, in neighboring Culver City. The manager also claimed that he’d seen the renters remove a license plate from their car, which they pushed to a side street, off the busier boulevard where they usually parked it.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

LAPD/detectives look into it:

The LAPD put the apartment and its residents—as well as their friends and associates, some 250 people in all—under surveillance. Eventually, it assigned more than 150 investigators and support employees to the case. Their focus eventually narrowed to a core of eight or ten suspects. “We knew we were dealing with a network of some kind,” a detective says. But investigators couldn’t prove that the group that they were watching was, as they suspected, an al-Qaida support cell in the heart of Hollywood.
When the police discovered that two of the men initially questioned were in the country illegally, they arrested them. One by one, others under surveillance were quietly arrested on various criminal charges—identity theft, illegal gun possession, and marriage and insurance fraud—none of which even mentioned terrorism. In some cases, immigration authorities deported the men on immigration charges. In other cases, suspects pleaded guilty and went to jail, or voluntarily left the country.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

Qualid Benomrane soon gets their attention:

The investigation soon focused on a man who seemed to be at the cell’s hub—Qualid Benomrane, a North African taxi driver mentioned in a footnote of the 9/11 Commission Report. Arrested on immigration charges in early 2002, he told the police that prior to the attacks he had driven “two Saudis” around L.A. and to San Diego’s Sea World, after being introduced to them by Fahad al-Thumairy, a diplomat at the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles. Benomrane also told police that someone at the consulate had asked al-Thumairy to take care of the two men.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

The detectives who investigated this case don't agree with the 9-11 commissions footnote poo-pooing Benomrane:

The 9/11 commission investigators concluded that “the hypothesis that Benomrane’s ‘two Saudis’ were Hazmi and Midhar” couldn’t be substantiated.
But the LAPD detectives who investigated the case remain convinced that Benomrane and al-Thumairy were militants in the al-Qaida support network and that Benomrane’s passengers were, in fact, the two hijackers. “Our investigation found, for instance, that Benomrane had taken photos of the structural supports of the Golden Gate Bridge during a trip to northern California,” a detective says. The LAPD also discovered that Benomrane had taken his two Saudi passengers to a gas station where one of the two San Diego–based hijackers had worked before heading east to carry out his deadly mission. (The FBI, which participated in the investigation, declined comment since the inquiry was classified, but a commission investigator said that the bureau has no record of such a side trip.)
The LAPD investigators decided to question Benomrane in jail once more, but they never got the chance: he was deported on the eve of their visit to see him

http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

The LAPD seems to have been doing a more in-depth investigation than the FBI-

The LAPD also discovered that Benomrane had taken his two Saudi passengers to a gas station where one of the two San Diego–based hijackers had worked before heading east to carry out his deadly mission. (The FBI, which participated in the investigation, declined comment since the inquiry was classified, but a commission investigator said that the bureau has no record of such a side trip.)
http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

Hazmi did in fact work at a San Diego gas station where the owner and manager were already suspects and under investigation as Islamic militants, and the manager, Iyad Kreiwesh was married (despite already being married)in a ceremony conducted in L.A. by Fahad Al-Thumairy.

Don't be fooled. Benomrane knows a lot, and the 9-11 commission knows it. Why does he know a lot and why is he talking? One reason is because he's always at the King Fahad Mosque where Thumairy is the Imam, and one reason he's talking is he doesn't want to be deported because for some reason he believes he will be killed if deported back to Tunisia. He was deported pretty quickly. He disappeared from the JI, the 28 pages, the 9-11 commission report, and with his deportation, planet earth.

________is very fearful that he will be deported back to Tunisia where he believes he will be placed in prison or killed. page 7/10
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

This guy Benomrane, knows to much and is talking to much. Yea, I'd say he's dead. What did he know and talk about?

...he is currently being sponsored by a Saudi Arabian named ______LNU in his attempts to obtain a green card.......He began sponsoring____________ in April 2001.   page 1/10

Currently ________worships at the King Fahad Mosque in Culver City. He said that the mosque director is named _______________. He said the Imam is _________.  page 2/10
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

(we know the Imam is Fahad Al-Thumairy)

_________had heard that two Saudi Arabian men arrived at LAX and were met by a person unknown to ______ This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.  page 3/10
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

I've been saving this. This exposes one of the biggest lies Thumairy told in his interview with the 9-11 commission. Earlier I posted the following, in regards to Bayoumi meeting the hijackers at a restaurant after his meeting with Thumairy.

"Bin Don said that al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar told al-Bayoumi that they were living in an apartment "nearby."
"Bin Don said that they did not have a motor vehicle. He does not recall the direction that they walked after leaving the Mediterranean Cafe."

The exact location of the Mediterranean Cafe is 10863 Venice Boulevard and the meeting took place on 02/01/2000 as this FBI report shows.....
http://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-investigation-2002-09-sep

In a not so amazing coincidence Saudi Consulate Fahad Al Thumairy just happened for some reason to have several apartments leased in his name within walking distance.
The Hijackers stayed in an apartment in Los Angeles from the time of their arrival on Jan 15 2000 until they moved to San Diego in early Feb.

"Upon arriving in Los Angeles, al-Thumairy stayed in a hotel close to both the KFM and the Saudi consulate for approximately one week. He then moved into an apartment on Kelton Avenue, near Venice Boulevard. AI-Thumairy said he subsequently moved from this apartment to a house in Culver City on Huron Avenue."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01249.pdf

All within walking distance of the Mediterranean Cafe where Bayoumi meets the Hijackers as this Google map shows Kelton Avenue is about 1 block from the cafe, Huron Avenue is about 4 blocks away and the KFM is a short distance South of the cafe......

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=10863+Venice+Blvd+Los+Angeles,+CA+90034&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x80c2ba374da836b5:0xc3887eea8b8fcaa,10863+Venice+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90034&gl=us&ei=n8G8Uq7cDsLr2QWMuIBg&ved=0CCkQ8gEwAA

All the places Thumairy lived were within walking distance of the Mediterranean Restauraunt, but one of those places Thumairy had more than one apartment leased in his name. Remember, Benomrane has been in jail since early 2002 up to this point. This is March of 2002 when Benomrane said...

This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

Let's go back to Thumairy's interview again.....The part I've been saving........

Al-Thumairy said he moved from this house into an apartment closer to the consulate during his last year in the U.S. Specifically, he said he moved into the Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue with his family sometime in 2002  page 3/13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue is between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.

Benomrane having been in custody for months stated in March 2002-

This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

He fingered the apartment complex Thumairy admits he lived in. And he lived there before 2002. He had several leases in his name there. And it's less than a mile from the Mediterranean Restaurant. The hijackers lived here for their first two weeks in L.A. ......

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/3636+South+Sepulveda+Boulevard,+Los+Angeles,+CA/10863+Venice+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90034/@34.0169127,-118.4189546,16z/am=t/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba49022c2e05:0xef7fe303d5ec69b6!2m2!1d-118.4190846!2d34.0164037!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba374c8178e1:0x6f680c09334ba298!2m2!1d-118.4108167!2d34.016914

Thumairy interview with 9-11 commission:

Al-Thumairy was next asked about his rental history at the Avalon apartment complex, where he rented an apartment after vacating the house on Huron Street. When asked specifically whether he, the KFM, or the Saudi consulate ever rented any other apartments there, al Thumairy responded no.......
AI-Thumairy also once again confirmed that he never rented any other apartments at the Avalon complex. When asked whether he would be surprised if there were other apartments at Avalon with leases in his name, he said yes because the management would have required identification to sign the lease.......
When told by SA Maguire that his name appears on more than one lease at Avalon in the summer of 2001, Al-Thumairy said that when he returned from vacation in Saudi Arabia, his apartment was not yet ready so he was living in a different apartment from that into which he later moved.
Al-Thumairy offered this speculation as his only explanation for why his name may appear on the lease for more than one apartment at that time. He could not recall whether this was in 2001 or 2002, however.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Thumairy lied throughout his interview. This was one of the biggest though.

Benomrane has told us where the hijackers lived in L.A. Thumairy was housing the hijackers, and got caught lying about it.

But Benomrane is going to give more information......
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 13, 2016, 06:56:08 am
The point about Bandar and Thumairy at the start is really good one.

Who was the guy who talked about a 'Dr Othman' at the board King Fahad mosque who may have been helping the hijackers. I dont know if i remembered the name he gave correctly. Did you ever run across that?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on September 13, 2016, 10:56:44 am
Who was the guy who talked about a 'Dr Othman' at the board King Fahad mosque who may have been helping the hijackers. I dont know if i remembered the name he gave correctly. Did you ever run across that?

You are correct that (according to Thumairy) there was a Dr Othman who was on some "council" at the KFM. I think they were trying to figure out who put Thumairy in charge as the Imam when they were questioning Thumairy on this.

From 9-11 commission interview with Fahad Al-Thumairy:

When asked about the names of people on the Council, Al-Thumairy identified only a Turk named Dr. Othman and another person from Burma whose name he could not recall. Al-Thumairy noted again that he did not have much contact with the Council.  page 4/13

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/2610850/content/arcmedia/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01249.pdf

There is also this..
Quote
• Talat Othman
Bush family friend who is on the board of both Mirza's Amana Funds and the Islamic Institute. Also met with O'Neill about the raid.
From the article Effie Trinket quoted in this post..
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=254040.msg1599881#msg1599881

This is all I've ever been aware of as far as that goes. Do you recall anything else on how you came across this name?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 13, 2016, 04:41:42 pm
Yes you found it. I raised it because of he possibility he may mean Dr Osman Kaldirim, who was on the board of the foundation that built the mosque. He is a Turk. When you were quoting his words, it suddenly triggered a memory of it.

Kaldirim features elsewhere on this forum and shared an address with Ghassan Elashi, head of the HLF. I would just love it to be him, lets put it that way.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 14, 2016, 09:41:33 am
Quote
LAPD detectives who investigated the case remain convinced that Benomrane and al-Thumairy were militants in the al-Qaida support network and that Benomrane’s passengers were, in fact, the two hijackers.... The LAPD also discovered that Benomrane had taken his two Saudi passengers to a gas station where one of the two San Diego–based hijackers had worked

People who worked at that gas station were members of the PLO, so... they aint wrong
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 14, 2016, 09:54:26 am
The name of Ercan Engineering features in the 28 Pages a subsidiary of a Saudi company which money was sent too Omar al Bayoumi through. The company is in fact in Newport Beach not San Diego as they say and is run by Magdi R Hanna. One complication is there appears to be two Magdi Hanna's in LA.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 14, 2016, 07:42:11 pm
Quote
We have found evidence corroborating this account.  9-11 commission

Wait, so their father was there as well? That would be a twist. Had always assumed they were sent alone or near enough. Adds new meaning to the idea of a support network.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on September 14, 2016, 08:52:16 pm
Wait, so their father was there as well? That would be a twist. Had always assumed they were sent alone or near enough. Adds new meaning to the idea of a support network.

No. There is no father. Sick or otherwise. It's a sorry/sloppy story that doesn't hold up.

Benomrane -He said they were there, to visit-their sick father. But that's only because that's what he was told, By Thumairy....

Benomrane was told by Sheik Fahad that the Saudis were here to see their sick father
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

No sick father- 2 young Saudis-

Benomrane could not remember the Saudis names, but remembered one was approximately twenty one years old and the other was approximately twenty-five years old. Benomrane stated over and over that the two Saudis came to Los Angeles prior to 09/11/2001.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

Benomrane -two young Saudis           here to see sick father (told this by Thumairy)
Thumairy - two Saudis                 one a son - the other his sick father

Al-Thumairy repeatedly confirmed that this was the only instance in which he assisted Saudi visitors, that the only people who came were the son and his sick father, and that all he did was provide them with his general thoughts on which areas of Los Angeles it would be safe to stay.
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Benomrane stated over and over that the two Saudis came to Los Angeles prior to 09/11/2001[/b].
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

Thumairy lying again:
Specifically, he said he moved into the Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue with his family sometime in 2002  page 3/13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

his name appears on more than one lease at Avalon in the summer of 2001
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Here's a simple question. While driving these two around, since they are here to see their "sick father" why doesn't he take them to the hospital where their "sick father" is? Or is he getting treatment at Sea World in San Diego? There is nothing to indicate in any interview he took them to visit their "sick father".

The story of the sick father is sloppy and not consistent. Neither is his explanation for when he moved into the Apartment on Sepulveda ave.

Why I said:
If their "evidence corroborating this account" is the following....I wouldn't exactly call that evidence. If the following is not their "evidence corroborating this account", then what is?

Interview with Fahad Al-Thumairy of Saudi Arabia

He stated that a man named _________ came to the U.S. with his sick father who needed medical treatment. Notably, without being asked, Thumairy volunteered that he did not find an apartment for these visitors or make any reservations for them. page 4-13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Thumairy is lying throughout the entire interview. Pretty much about everything.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 15, 2016, 05:11:56 am
The medical excuse is definitely a common theme.

Maybe it wasnt Benomrane's job to take them to the hospital. We hardly know where they went anyway.

Outside of sceptical speculation, the two sound like Nawaf and Saleem al-Hazmi. So do we know where al-Hazmi senior was at this time? That would be my question.

If the government say they found evidence to support it then i want to know who the father was. Thats what im trying to say. Thats my initial reaction. I am always on the lookout for co-conspiracy.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 16, 2016, 11:37:55 am
I dont know much about this Qualid Benomrane. His name is not in the public databases.

Whatever aliases he was using i have yet to find them.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on September 16, 2016, 09:39:39 pm
This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

Let's go back to Thumairy's interview again.............

Al-Thumairy said he moved from this house into an apartment closer to the consulate during his last year in the U.S. Specifically, he said he moved into the Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue with his family sometime in 2002  page 3/13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue is between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.

Benomrane having been in custody for months stated in March 2002-

This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

He fingered the apartment complex Thumairy admits he lived in. And he lived there before 2002. He had several leases in his name there. And it's less than a mile from the Mediterranean Restaurant. The hijackers lived here for their first two weeks in L.A. ......

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/3636+South+Sepulveda+Boulevard,+Los+Angeles,+CA/10863+Venice+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90034/@34.0169127,-118.4189546,16z/am=t/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba49022c2e05:0xef7fe303d5ec69b6!2m2!1d-118.4190846!2d34.0164037!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba374c8178e1:0x6f680c09334ba298!2m2!1d-118.4108167!2d34.016914

Benomrane is the reason an investigation was opened on Thumairy

Benomrane has told us where the hijackers lived in L.A. Thumairy was housing the hijackers, and got caught lying about it.

But Benomrane is going to give more information......

Qualid Benomrane appears to be pointing straight at where Hazmi and Mihdhar stayed when these two, the first of the 9-11 hijackers to arrive in America landed at LAX in Los Angeles on Jan 15 of 2000.

The problem with Benomrane's story is he said he gave the two Saudis his business card as he was driving his own taxi. The 9-11 commission is saying it can't find evidence he was a licensed taxi driver in Jan 2000, and he didn't even have a license then. But it looks to me like he did have a drivers license that expired on 4/29/2003. They usually expire every 4 years on your birthday. Although they blocked out his birthday on his DMV printout, his visa confirms his birthday is 4/29/, so why wouldn't it be good in Jan 2000?

From 9-11 commission records archives:

Memorandum for the Record (MFR) of the Interview of Report of California DMV re: Qualid Moncef Benomrane of the California Department of Motor Vehicles Conducted by Team 1A
https://research.archives.gov/id/2609699

Qualid Moncef Benomrane, DOB: 4-29-76, COB: Tunisia, Passport No.L870243.  page 5/117
https://www.scribd.com/document/17394543/T5-B24-Copies-of-Doc-Requests-2-of-3-Fdr-Entire-Contents-DOS-Doc-Requests-Responses-Indexes-Withdrawal-Notices-Docs
 
Looking over the other records the 9-11 commission had on Benomrane are the following...

From 9-11 commission records archives:

Benomrane folder:
Page1 - a subpoena to/for someone/something ---Classified due to "National Security"
page 2  is a letter dated 2-11-04 either to or from or about Benomrane  --classified due to "National Security"
page 3 is a 7 page memo of their conversation with an FBI agent in regards to Brenomrane dated 9-29-03    ---classified due to "National Security"
page 4 5 6 7 are the questions they wanted to go over with Benomrane. (very good and reveling Q)
https://www.scribd.com/document/15103029/T1A-B36-Qualid-Moncef-Benomrane-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Questions-and-3-Withdrawal-Notices-Subpoena-Letter-Re-Benomrane-Interview-w-FBI-Agent-All-Cla

but..

page 3 is a 7 page memo of their conversation with an FBI agent in regards to Brenomrane dated 9-29-03    ---classified due to "National Security"

The following interview is completely redacted-
Subject: interview with FBI agent-my assumption is they(9-11 commission members)are interviewing the FBI Agent with knowledge of Benomrane.
Benomrane
Document Date: 09-29-2003
Subject: interview with FBI agent

page 4 5 6 7 from this folder are the questions they wanted to go over with Benomrane. What the investigators for the 9-11 commission(and joint inquiry)want to know from Benomrane are many things...including this....

How does QMB know that the two Saudis stayed at the Hilton on Century Boulevard near LAX when they first arrived?
How did they find a room at the Hilton? Did they have a reservation? Did somebody make one for them? How did they pay? Did they stay alone?
One room or two? How long did they stay there

https://www.scribd.com/document/15103029/T1A-B36-Qualid-Moncef-Benomrane-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Questions-and-3-Withdrawal-Notices-Subpoena-Letter-Re-Benomrane-Interview-w-FBI-Agent-All-Cla

Here it is........This is the 7 page memo of conversation dated 09-29-03 with an FBI agent about Benomrane This was released late August 2014

https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

Here is just a little of what it says....

He also remembered during this interview, that the two Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA. Benomrane said that when they left the Hilton, they moved into an apartment. It was Benomrane's understanding that that it was the Saudi Consulate that arranged for the apartment to be rented for them.

later it says....

Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results.

During the interview, Benomrane said he would show them the location of the apartment building. He took them to the apartment complex at 3636 S. Sepulveda. ________ knows that subpoenas were served on the complex, and that it became clear that the KFM was renting rooms at the complex.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

Later it says when he picked out the photos of Mihdhar and Hazmi......

They put this information into the communication requesting the initiation of an investigation on Thumairy.

There is a lot more in those 7 pages.

The 9-11 commission says in it's footnotes....

*8- Although Hazmi and Mihdhar told immigration authorities on January 15, 2000, that they would be staying at the Sheraton Hotel in Los Angeles, their names do not appear in the hotel’s registration records for the second half of January. FBI searches of the records of other hotels near the airport and smaller establishments in Culver City failed to locate the hijackers, as did our own investigation.   page 531/585
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/sept11/911Report.pdf

Perhaps they were using alias's?

The 9-11 commission also issued a Subpoena for Benomrane's phone records. And claims the FBI never did. Why not?

Date: April 7,2004
Subject: Request for Nextel Subpoena


That phone number belonged to a foreign national who lived in the Los Angeles area who has provided potentially significant information to the FBI that may shed light on the activities of 9/11 hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar in California in early 2000. The FBI has not sought these records.
https://www.scribd.com/document/14553321/SD-B4-Subpoenas-NYC-Fdr-Memos-Re-Nextel-Subpoena-for-Cell-Records-of-Qalid-Benomrane-Re-Al-Hazmi-and-Al-Mihdhar-on-Top-of-2-Withdrawal-Notice-for-Sub

We don't get to see those..

Event: Service of subpoena on NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS
Date: 04/12/2004
The subpoena requested all records for telephone number 310-877-5039 from December 1, 1999 through March 31, 2000 inclusive. This cell telephone was in the control of Qalid Benomrane.

https://www.scribd.com/document/14553321/SD-B4-Subpoenas-NYC-Fdr-Memos-Re-Nextel-Subpoena-for-Cell-Records-of-Qalid-Benomrane-Re-Al-Hazmi-and-Al-Mihdhar-on-Top-of-2-Withdrawal-Notice-for-Sub

They also issued a subpoena for some informant...

The item identified below has been withdrawn from this file

Subject: subpoena for confidential source, with copies
https://www.scribd.com/document/14553321/SD-B4-Subpoenas-NYC-Fdr-Memos-Re-Nextel-Subpoena-for-Cell-Records-of-Qalid-Benomrane-Re-Al-Hazmi-and-Al-Mihdhar-on-Top-of-2-Withdrawal-Notice-for-Sub

And this very interesting subpoena.....

SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation


ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and

The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.

https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

Remember Benomrane said.....

He also remembered during this interview, that the two Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA.

Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results.

How did the commission know to issue a subpoena for those names?

Hilton response to subpoena with Said Abdullah and Said Abdallah names redacted.....


T1A B43 Hilton Subpoena Fdr- Entire Contents- Subpoena- Faxes- Guest Folio- Said Abdullah (See SD B4 Subpoenas for Unredacted
https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

According to the billing they stayed in room 1777 and the room was held for them starting Jan 13.
page 5/9 shows on the billing that a MasterCard was used.
https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

I'd like to know who's MasterCard that was. If someone gets embarrassed by this, because it all turns out to be innocent, to bad. It's worth looking into. Frankly these two names who checked out together the day after the hijackers arrived sound rather suspicious to me....
Said Abdullah and 
Said Abdallah
Really?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 17, 2016, 04:11:38 pm
Public records for the phone show no Qualid Benomrane - https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/phone/3108775039/ps
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on September 17, 2016, 09:26:07 pm
Public records for the phone show no Qualid Benomrane - https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/phone/3108775039/ps

Because he had that number over 15 years ago

Event: Service of subpoena on NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS
Date: 04/12/2004
The subpoena requested all records for telephone number 310-877-5039 from December 1, 1999 through March 31, 2000 inclusive. This cell telephone was in the control of Qalid Benomrane.

https://www.scribd.com/document/14553321/SD-B4-Subpoenas-NYC-Fdr-Memos-Re-Nextel-Subpoena-for-Cell-Records-of-Qalid-Benomrane-Re-Al-Hazmi-and-Al-Mihdhar-on-Top-of-2-Withdrawal-Notice-for-Sub

Yes, his first name is (Qalid)misspelled. Doing a current search on this number wont reveal anything on him. He was arrested in early 2002, then shortly thereafter deported, so he hasn't had that number since then, and he's probably dead. I don't know if those searches would go back that far, and he didn't have that number for very long. It's a good try though.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 18, 2016, 04:54:03 am
Because he had that number over 15 years ago

Yes, his first name is (Qalid)misspelled. Doing a current search on this number wont reveal anything on him. He was arrested in early 2002, then shortly thereafter deported, so he hasn't had that number since then, and he's probably dead. I don't know if those searches would go back that far, and he didn't have that number for very long. It's a good try though.

The database is not reliable for a number of reasons but results do go back that far. Both of the returns are mysterious. But the main significance i take from it is yet again no guy called Khaled Benomrane. Thumairy is not in the database either.

"Doing a current search on this number wont reveal anything on him." - This is your opinion.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on September 18, 2016, 11:13:37 am
The database is not reliable for a number of reasons but results do go back that far.

I'm aware that results can go back that far. But for someone who was in America for only a few years and had a number for a few months, 15 years ago doesn't mean it will be there. I know this is a fact because I moved from Ca in 2001 and I got out an old address book and tried it on some numbers in it. The site is a pretty good one, but I like I said I know numbers people had-in Ca-in 2001-some of them show up. Some don't. The longer you've had a number the more likely it will show up. Do the experiment yourself if you don't believe me.

But the main significance i take from it is yet again no guy called Khaled Benomrane.
His name isn't Khaled.

Thumairy is not in the database either.

Bayoumi and Bassnan are though. I tried them.


"Doing a current search on this number wont reveal anything on him." - This is your opinion.

Fine. You don't think I already tried doing a background check on Qaulid Moncef Benomrane? I've already been down the road. I'd be quite satisfied if you proved me wrong.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 18, 2016, 03:22:50 pm
The goal is obviously to obtain a name or number or address that will provide the required information. Im not making the point you think i am. Im mostly wondering where he lived, i dont know if you know from reading those docs you read....
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 18, 2016, 03:32:46 pm
Dont know if there is any significane to this, the hotel thing reminded me of it:

Quote
WikiLeaks cables reveal that the FBI has launched a manhunt for a Qatari gang suspected to be part of the 9/11 attacks.

The secret cables reveal that the men conducted surveillance on the targets, provided “support” to the plotters and had tickets for a flight to Washington on the eve of 9/11

• They checked into one room in a hotel near the Los Angeles airport with a checkout date of 10 September 2001. They paid for the room using cash
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8297829/WikiLeaks-what-the-cables-said-about-the-911-Qatari-gang.html
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 19, 2016, 04:41:22 am
The son of Abdussattar Shiakh lived at 5215 Sepulveda. Perhaps rooms in that building too were rented by the King Fahad mosque
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 19, 2016, 06:15:39 am
The Shakih's role is still portrayed as entirely innocent by both the FBI and the 911 Commission. But in Garden Grove he lived nearby to Kifah Wael Jayyousi (8289 Panchoy), a man indicted with Jose Padilla. The Jayyouis family used 6750 Beadnell in the past as well.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 19, 2016, 07:06:18 am
^ I meant Lemon Grove

A man named Ramez T Noaman is listed as having lived at Shaikh's Mount Vernon house. He appears to have disappeared in 2001. He has a possible associate named Jennifer Le Man, whose listed relative Teresita Deguzman lived at 3747 Sepulveda in the mid 90s.

I presume this is all to do with local Islamic society networks.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 19, 2016, 08:48:08 am
Kifah W Jayyousi also lived at 1701 Culpepper Severn, MD for two years according to the database. This address is opposite the NSA at Fort Meade.

In fact people stationed at Fort Meade are also using that address.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 19, 2016, 04:29:47 pm
Some guy mentioned in this - which is discussing two Saudis being driven around LA - said: "when he first carne to the United States that he went to the Concord English School in West Los, Angeles. The owner of the school is an Iranian, LNU."

Just looking this school up:

April 9,2008

OPERATOR OF ENGLISH LANGUAGE SCHOOLS CHARGED IN MASSIVE STUDENT VISA FRAUD SCHEME

Some “Students” Were Russian Prostitutes Who Allegedly Paid Cash for Visas

A Beverly Hills man who operates two schools that teach English to foreign students was arrested this morning on federal charges for allegedly running a visa fraud scheme that allowed foreign nationals from around the world to obtain student visas to enter the United States, even though they had no intention of attending the schools or were fraudulently trying to remain in the United States.

Behzad “Ben” Zaman, 50, was arrested without incident this morning by special agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at Concord English Language Center, one of the two schools he operates. Zaman is expected to make his initial appearance this afternoon in United States District Court in Los Angeles.


https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/cac/Pressroom/pr2008/038.html
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 19, 2016, 04:58:11 pm
^ I forgot the link - http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-03-13-FBI-FD302-redacted-LA.pdf

If you look at the date of the investigation, March 12 02, then this story suddenly appeared in the La Times - http://articles.latimes.com/2002/mar/17/local/me-mosque17 - which appears to reveal one of the blanked out names and information about him.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 19, 2016, 06:49:15 pm
When i looked up Jayyousi address residents, i found a guy whose associates had an office on the 101st floor of 2 World Trade. I dont know if any of these people died on 9/11 but the family, Acra, who are base in Haiti, have gotten into trouble recently. Here is just an interesting quote I found reading while about them:

40 tonnes of cocaine and heroin allegedly found aboard the Vessel Manzanares docked at the Mevs Warf (PORT ) in Haiti according to federal agencies.
According to these same official sources, the Mevs Warf ( PORT ) was allegedly financed in part by the Clinton Global Initiative, amid rumors of former President Bill Clinton alleged close ties to the Mews business family in Haiti.  It is also rumored that the drug was allegedly found in a shipment of sugar, owned by Nabatco, the owner of which is Marc Antoine Acra, a member of the  powerful Acra business family

http://omegaworldnews.com/?p=17436

In fact this family had been place on a US Treasury SND list in 1992 for funding a military coup in Haiti. They were removed in 1994. Wikipedia has this to say: High-ranking members of the Haitian National Intelligence Service (SIN), which had been set up and financed in the 1980s by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as part of the war on drugs, were involved in the coup
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 20, 2016, 11:43:47 am
If you take the government story at face value, that the Saudis were not involved in the 9/11 attacks, there is only one obvious alternative.

That is that the Saudis were helping the US government monitor Al Qaeda agents in the US.

That would mean the US government knew the Al Qaeda agents were in the country and did nothing. Apparently standard practice in US intelligence if WTC 93 is anything to go by.

Could it be that that is what the coverup is all about.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 20, 2016, 06:39:30 pm
In 2007, former CIA officer Robert Baer will comment in Time magazine, “[A]pparently, when [al-Qaeda leader] Abu Zubaida was captured, telephone records, including calls to the United States, were found in the house he was living in. The calls stopped on September 10, and resumed on September 16. There’s nothing in the 9/11 Commission report about any of this, and I have no idea whether the leads were run down, the evidence lost or destroyed.” (Baer 12/7/2007) In fact, it seems likely the calls were monitored at the time by US intelligence and not just discovered after Zubaida’s capture in 2002.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 23, 2016, 03:57:37 pm
According to a Pentbomb profile of Hani Hanjour

Quote
3740 Corey Road. Valkaria. FL: HANJOUR listed this address as his destination when he enters U.S. from Saudi Arabia on 11/16/97.

This is a small house in Nowhere-ville Florida. I found it most notable for who lived there. A man who ran a Church in Palm Bay called the 'Church for all Nations.' The Church closed it doors in the year of our lord 2002. But there was still hope, Hope Development and Outreach in fact and its sister Hope Recovery Ministries which are still going to this day, both involved the same dude. The church physical address in Palm Bay turned out to be another residential house.

What could have possessed 9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour to list this property as his destination? The only clue is two Islamic names listed as having been residents, both leaving in the year 2001: Ahmed F Ismail and Saleh H Al.

I suppose "Saleh H Al" might be Hani Hanjour, due to his middle name Saleh.  'Hani Saleh H. Hanjour' was apparently an alias of his.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 24, 2016, 04:54:43 am
Quote
Ibrahim Al-Kulaib: Al-Kulaib is a diplomat at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C. He runs a charity with possible ties to terrorism, and is also connected to FNU Alzweiy, an individual with connections to terrorist elements. A document located at a site in Afghanistan where biotoxins were discovered had a P.O. Box listed in Virginia. This P.0. Box had been rented by Alzweiy for several years.
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/document-17.pdf

A database search for Alzweiy in Virginia returns one result - Mabrouk M Alzweiy. He does indeed have a post office box, 1013 PO Box
Falls Church, VA 22041, which the database says he vacated in 1995.

Other contemporaneous users, include: Oussama M Elbaba; Abdulgani A Abutunis; Hadia M Bouji.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 24, 2016, 01:41:02 pm
Maybe this story is why Abdussattar Shaikh was developed as an asset and working for Steven Butler. Bulter apparently said his job was to track Saudi money flows going to terrorism. Jayyousi after all lived in Lemon Grove near the Shaikh.

Quote
'Sleeper cell' had S.D. ties, jury told
 Clairemont resident is on trial in Miami

By Jeff McDonald June 11, 2007

Years before three of the Sept. 11 hijackers set up shop in this corner of the country, a group of Muslim extremists in San Diego was raising money and recruiting fighters for a worldwide holy war, according to federal records and testimony that unfolded last week in a Miami courtroom.

As early as 1993, the FBI was wiretapping at least two San Diego men who agents suspected were members of a “sleeper cell” plotting terror strikes across the globe.

The government also was tracking money transfers and cash deposits to a series of nonprofit organizations run by the suspects, Mohammed Zaky and his apparent protege, Kifah Jayyousi.
http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.com/uniontrib/20070611/news_1n11sleeper.html
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Dude447 on September 24, 2016, 02:01:27 pm
Hmmm Saudi money ,Israel  Usa military stand down , all you pesky 911 truthers tin foil hat people need to sit down and stfu . Bin Laden master minded it on his laptop in a cave in Afghanistan move along folks nothing to see here .
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 25, 2016, 07:00:06 am
Kifah Jayyousi was connected to the Care/Al Kifah network
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"...documents seized by the Federal Bureau of Investigation show at least a handful of personal visits by Kifah Jayyousi to the Boston area between 1996 and 1998 that were carefully coordinated and arranged by Care International and its officers."
http://powerbase.info/images/9/93/Kohlmann's_Expert_Report_in_US_v._Muntasser_et_al.pdf

Care, the outgrowth of the Bin Laden EIJ cell in NYC which attempted to destroy World Trade Centre in 1993, were apparently major backers of a guy called Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. This is a major Afghan Warlord supported by the CIA.
Quote
Testimony during trial described a pledge of support to Hekmatyar signed by defendants MUNTASSER and AL-MONLA found during an October 2001 covert search of Care International’s storage unit rented by defendant MUBAYYID. This pledge stated, in pertinent part: We those who love you in the Boston office, write to you asking for direction and looking for explanation on what you see fit and appropriate for us in matters concerning serving Jihad for the sake of Allah.
https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2008/January/08_nsd_021.html

So maybe Al Kifah has something to do with the CIA.
Hekmatyar himself has other direct ties into the Bin laden network: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_Solidarity_Organisation
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 25, 2016, 07:46:55 am
Other contemporaneous users, include: Oussama M Elbaba; Abdulgani A Abutunis; Hadia M Bouji.

This guy Oussama Elbaba used Post Office Box 8096 Falls Church Va. in the early 90s. The same box was later used by an Abdullah bin Laden with an email of wamy@wamy... - so this is the Abudullah bin Laden who was a Saudi Embassy hanger on who ran terrorists training camps in Florida for the Chechen Jihad. One might ask how many bin Ladens does it take running training camps for terrorists before somebody starts to infer a family connection... but I have a better story about him.

It is all to do with a mysterious comment in an FBI document about a close associate of 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta from his University of Cairo days who was  living in Winter Park, Florida. The document says that the man admits he travelled to New York City in 1996 to meet with Mohamed Atta. Officially Atta never visited the United States until 1999, so it an important story.

Well document 17 identifies this man. One of the things I just noticed about him is he was once employed by Argonne National Labs. But 17 also says he was an associate of Abdullah Bin Laden deputy Mohammed Quadir-Harunani. The phone number of Atta's father was found in the possessions of Quadir-Harunani. Perhaps this guy being friends with Atta and Harunani explains that discovery. But it puts Atta well within the realms of the US military backed Abdullah bin Laden's Chechen terrorism training camps. It suggests a continuing ongoing relationship with Atta which has been covered up, helps to explain his supposed links to US military bases and provides an alternative recruitment method for Atta into not just the jihad but also... into the 9/11 Conspiracy.

All just speculation though of course. To make progress we might want to ask why was the pre 9/11 counterterrorism investigation into Abdullah bin Laden shut down, evidently much to the chagrin of the detectives involved as they leaked the information to Greg Palast. W199i.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 27, 2016, 11:26:39 am
There is someone called Asma Benomran who was living on Genesee St in San Diego. This is interesting because there people who have lived at her address who were also using 6750 Beadnell in they years 1999-2001. That address is already one we have associated with the hijackers. So she may be a relative or something.

The name Benomrane can also be broken up Ben Omrane and there are a number of people with the surname Omrane or Omran in California.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 03, 2016, 10:45:06 am
Donald Trump's associate through Bayrock Capital - Frederick Contini - appears in this story - http://nypost.com/2004/09/16/mob-mta-scam-gambinos-snatched-10m-in-build-job-feds/

At the end of the story it says "Edward Garafola is set to go on trial in November for the 1989 murder of Staten Island businessman Frederick Weiss."

That is a famous story about the Decavalcante Crime family. Thats the New Jersey family who have multiple ties to Al Qaeda. For example Phil Gurian's family lived opposite Soliman Bihieri's family in a south Florida cul-de-sac for many years.

The Decavlacante gang also robbed the World Trade Centre in 1998. I was suspicious of this not least because I believed as best I can determine, that they robbed the same bank where an Al Qaeda member - Mohammed Junaid Babar's - mother worked. Officially though, the information about security weaknesses came from a postal worker.

I dont understand how Trump can be so connected to the WTC and to the 9/11 attacks by pure chance.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 07, 2016, 12:30:27 pm
I wonder why Mel Rockefeller was visiting Iraq in the late 90s
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 08, 2016, 10:39:48 am
Quote
Aspcol Corporation
418 East Cooper Avenue # 202
Aspen, CO 81611 - View Map
Phone: (970) 925-1214
Own This Business?
Aspcol Corporation
A privately held company in Aspen, CO.

A review of this number show it is linked to a William R Jordan III - https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/phone/9709251214/ps

One of his listed employers - MCCLOSKEY ENTERPRISES OF FLORIDA, INC - is associated with Philadelphia construction magnate Thomas D. McCloskey. His father was former Democratic National Treasurer Matthew H. McCloskey, a U.S. Ambassador to Ireland. Jordon is a lawyer so he probably represented them.

Don B Reynolds appeared before the Senate Rules and Administration Committee on 1st December, 1964. Before the hearing Reynolds supplied a statement implicating Bobby Baker and Matthew McCloskey in financial corruption.  In the early 1950s Baker had also been involved in helping that Intercontinental Hotels Corporation establishing casinos in the Dominican Republic. Baker arranged for Ed Levison, an associate of Meyer Lansky and Sam Giancana, to become involved in this deal. When the first of these casinos were opened in 1955, Baker and Lyndon B. Johnson were invited as official guests.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 08, 2016, 10:53:29 am
A quote from the 28 Pages:

"In their testimony before the Joint Inquiry, neither the CIA nor the FBI was able to definitively identify for these Committees the extent of Saudi support for terrorist activity globally or within the United States and the extent to which such support, if it exists, is intentional or innocent in nature."

They are talking about Americas highest level national security partner.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 10, 2016, 07:47:27 pm
Richard Clarke served as the national coordinator for counterterrorism on the White House National Security Council during Bill Clinton’s and George W. Bush’s administrations and was in the role before, during and after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. He is now an ABC News consultant.

The recently released “28 pages” are a snapshot in time. They came at the conclusion of the joint House-Senate Intelligence Committees' inquiry and before the 9/11 Commission started its work in 2003. Those pages and many others previously released posed questions for further investigation, based on the committees’ review of raw intelligence and FBI reports. The 9/11 Commission took the baton and followed up on most of those leads, but not all.

... About the time that CIA learned the two men were in Los Angeles, the possible Saudi intelligence officer, al-Bayoumi, found them and befriended them.

The CIA is not authorized to run intelligence operations in the U.S. Even if it were, most CIA employees would have had a hard time making friends with al-Mihdhar and al-Hamzi.

A fellow Saudi like al-Bayoumi, however, would stand a much better chance, especially if he pretended to be an al-Qaeda sympathizer acquainted with people like the radical imam al-Alwaki. In the parlance of the intelligence world, such approaches to potential sources of information, using false pretenses, are known as false flag operations.

If the CIA asked the Saudi intelligence service to approach al-Mihdhar and al-Hamzi in the U.S. then, it would have come at the same time that the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center (CTC) was trying to develop human sources inside al-Qaeda.

It would have been entirely logical for the CTC to try to learn things about al-Qaeda by having someone from a friendly intelligence service run a false flag operation on two known al-Qaeda operatives. Because those two men were in the U.S., however, the CIA would have needed to coordinate the approach with the FBI.

Had FBI been informed, however, it very likely would have vetoed the idea and moved quickly to arrest the two men. I knew very well the FBI personnel in charge of counterterrorism at the time, and they would not have hesitated to make such an arrest. That is also what I would have requested the FBI to do if the CIA had told me, which it should have and did not.

If the CIA broke the rules about getting FBI approval and, in cooperation with the Saudi intelligence service, ran a false flag operation in the U.S. against al-Qaeda terrorists, that would explain why CIA managers repeatedly made decisions and issued clear instructions not to tell anyone outside the CIA the rather startling and unprecedented news that al-Qaeda operatives were in our country.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/28-pages-questions-alleged-saudi-spy-cia/story?id=40697425

Clarkes reaction to the 28 Pages doesnt make much sense but at least he attempted to explain it. Others didnt.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 13, 2016, 12:56:05 pm
Quote
The terrorists’ interest in Portland continues to baffle local police and the two FBI agents conducting investigations in the city.

They’re still trying to establish whether a terrorist cell was set up in Portland to assist the hijackers.

Atta’s final visit to Portland on Sept. 10 was apparently not his first.

Several people report having seen him in the months before.

Barry Mason, who works at Portland Micucci Wholesale Grocery, store said he’ll never forget his brush with Atta, whom he saw in the store three or four times. The last time was on Aug. 29, when Atta bought Syrian pita bread.

“I looked at him and made eye contact,” Mason said. “His eyes were so cold and scary – I looked away and thought, ‘I hope he never comes back.'”
http://nypost.com/2001/10/12/final-hours-of-hijack-monster-he-waited-until-last-minute-to-buy-boxcutters/

A background check on the Italian Micucci family who own this grocery revealed they have ties to Venice, Florida.  -  1555 Tarpon Center Venice, FL 34285  -  https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/bruce+micucci/369206203

What a co-incidence.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 16, 2016, 09:43:29 am
Farhad Azima:
Azima had an associate who lived in Naples Florida, Howard Taft Bosaberg
Azima had another associated who lived in Naples, Florida and who recruited and financed Rudi Dekkers to run the terrorist flight school.
Azima lived with a woman named Cara-Ann who used the same apartment complex in South Florida that Jose Padilla girlfriend lived in and that Timothy McVeighs sister lived in, 7400 Stirling Hollywood.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 31, 2016, 11:46:17 am
What we need is a forum full of people who actually wanna have a conversation about what happened.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on December 27, 2016, 11:27:28 pm
Benomrane is the reason an investigation was opened on Thumairy...........
...

And this very interesting subpoena.....

SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation


ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and

The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.

https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

Remember Benomrane said.....

He also remembered during this interview, that the two Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA.

Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results.

How did the commission know to issue a subpoena for those names?

Hilton response to subpoena with Said Abdullah and Said Abdallah names redacted.....


T1A B43 Hilton Subpoena Fdr- Entire Contents- Subpoena- Faxes- Guest Folio- Said Abdullah (See SD B4 Subpoenas for Unredacted
https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

According to the billing they stayed in room 1777 and the room was held for them starting Jan 13.
page 5/9 shows on the billing that a MasterCard was used.
https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

I'd like to know who's MasterCard that was. If someone gets embarrassed by this, because it all turns out to be innocent, to bad. It's worth looking into. Frankly these two names who checked out together the day after the hijackers arrived sound rather suspicious to me....
Said Abdullah and 
Said Abdallah
Really?



The Reason Anwar Al-Awlaki and his son were murdered by drones?

I think I know who could be the name on the mastercard holding the room for Hazmi and Mihdhar/ AKA Abdullah and Abdallah....Benomrane describes "a yemeni" a few times in his interview, and the Yemeni knows more....


Benomrane wasn't supposed to chauffer the Saudis, until "a Yemeni" was price-gouging Thumairy...

"...he had already heard at that point that two Saudis had come to town, and were met at LAX by someone unknown to Benomrane."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

"He went on to describe a Yemeni, who was unknown to him, who was supposed to shepherd around the 2 young Saudis before Benomrane met them."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This makes a likely suspect...

Anwar Al-Awlaki is the former leader of the Masjid Ar-Ribat al-Islami mosque on Saranac Street on the border of San Diego and La Mesa, which was attended regularly by the hijackers and their acquaintances.
http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation/terror/20030725-9999_1n25report.html

Jul 21, 2015
The gunman who allegedly killed four Marines and a Navy sailor last week in Chattanooga, Tennessee, had downloaded audio recordings of Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-Yemeni cleric who was a recruiter for al Qaeda, law enforcement officials told NBC News.

http://southern251.rssing.com/browser.php?indx=8725915&item=19462

If it's true - Anwar could blurt this out at anytime. But that's been taken care of..... thanks to this guy.....

David Jeremiah Barron

In 2010, he authored a secret memo which provided the legal foundation for President Obama's unprecedented decision to order a drone strike on Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen who was a radical Islamic militant living in Yemen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jeremiah_Barron

Only a Harvard Scholar would know that killing American citizens with nothing but a secret memo as evidence of whatever it is they get killed for, is perfectly legal and constitutional. "Creating" a memo like that deserves a promotion...

On September 24, 2013, President Obama nominated Barron to serve as a United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit

On May 22, 2014, the Senate voted 53–45 for final confirmation to the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jeremiah_Barron

This Detective should be asked what they know of Abdulluh/Abdallah...

"Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This Det. Gizzi is probably where D Snell knew to ask for names Abdullah and Abddallah in his subpoena.......

SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation

ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and


The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.
https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

Gizzi checked the names on the Hilton at LAX....

"Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

He/She might/should know/knew the name on the mastercard.

3 most likely suspects for name on mastercard IMO...

Thumairy
Anwar Al-Awlaki 
"by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA"
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-investigation-2002-09-sep

How about this name on the mastercard gets declassified and we find out that I'm wrong.
I'd be fine with that-this name that is holding this room should not be hidden if it's helping the hijackers. It should be revealed whoever it is.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on December 30, 2016, 09:50:57 am
Khalid bin Attash is a yemeni, was in the area the same month and is associated with the Saudi Consulate.

Yes it should be public who it is. I note many of the classifications are law enforcement privacy, not sure the significance of that.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on December 31, 2016, 07:40:40 am
Why particularly Aulaqi? Any reason to rule out Attash or any others?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on December 31, 2016, 04:44:04 pm
Why particularly Aulaqi? Any reason to rule out Attash or any others?

Bin Attash is possible. Aulaqi was blown to pieces by a drone, two weeks later the same thing happened to his 16 year old son. They could have easily arrested him. Mohdar Abdullah is another suspect-I happen to know they checked LAX for the period Jan 14-17 to see if Mohdar Abdullah's car was there during that time-negative results. We don't know if "the yemeni" is the owner of the mastercard. What is known is "the yemeni" was supposed to be the one hauling the 2 Saudis around before Benomrane did. Aulaqi had telephonic contact with Bayoumi while he was assisting the hijackers and Aulaqi moved to Virginia when the hijackers moved there. The way the name on the mastercard is kept secret leads me to believe it was probably a Saudi. All the Saudis are protected while those connected to them are killed or tortured.
Zubayduh-tortured-connected to Bandar
Binalshibh-tortured-connected to Basnan
Bin Attash-tortured-connected to Thumairy
Aulaqi- killed by drone-connected to Bayoumi-and probably Basnan
KSM-tortured-will confess to anything except where he gets his money
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 31, 2016, 04:54:58 pm
thank you for this thread .
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on December 31, 2016, 08:20:59 pm
Do you think it is interesting that KSM was initially identified as the mastermind through Zubaydah, who seems to have worked for the Saudis? Just thought about that based on you appearing to see a conspiracy to protect the Saud. It could for example be part of the same deflection.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 01, 2017, 07:29:40 pm
It would be nice to have a page discussing the actual contents of the 28 pages but I dont think anybody is actually interested. Not sure anybody online has ever reviewed those pages in depth

We also need an encyclopedia on these characters in the offical version and how they relate. For example there is no wikipedia entry on Osama Basnan. Trying to learn basic details is not simple.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 01, 2017, 09:37:38 pm
It is interesting when 9/11 becomes politically embarrassing  the press folds up like an accordion ..

http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/inside-the-saudi-911-coverup/

After the 9/11 attacks, the public was told al Qaeda acted alone, with no state sponsors.

But the White House never let it see an entire section of Congress’ investigative report on 9/11 dealing with “specific sources of foreign support” for the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals.

It was kept secret and remains so today.

President Bush inexplicably censored 28 full pages of the 800-page report. Text isn’t just blacked-out here and there in this critical-yet-missing middle section. The pages are completely blank, except for dotted lines where an estimated 7,200 words once stood (this story by comparison is about 1,000 words).

...

WASHINGTON: Then-Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar and his wife sent checks totaling some $130,000 to Bassnan while he was handling the hijackers. Though the Bandars claim the checks were “welfare” for Bassnan’s supposedly ill wife, the money nonetheless made its way into the hijackers’ hands.

Other al Qaeda funding was traced back to Bandar and his embassy — so much so that by 2004 Riggs Bank of Washington had dropped the Saudis as a client.

The next year, as a number of embassy employees popped up in terror probes, Riyadh recalled Bandar.

“Our investigations contributed to the ambassador’s departure,” an investigator who worked with the Joint Terrorism Task Force in Washington told me, though Bandar says he left for “personal reasons.”
...

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Saudi Arabia Faces the Missing 28 Pages
 May 23, 2016 By David Ottaway -
See more at: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/saudi-arabia-faces-the-missing-28-pages#sthash.Q229HgeZ.dpuf

In December 2002, a joint Senate-House intelligence committee published its findings on the horrendous 9/11 terrorist attacks, which included evidence of possible links between the government of Saudi Arabia and some of the 15 Saudis involved in the bombings of the Pentagon and Twin Towers that cost nearly 3,000 American lives.

For national security reasons, the 28 pages detailing that information were never published.

But they may be shortly and revive yet another intense examination of alleged Saudi support for anti-American terrorism. The famous missing pages, if now declassified, will likely put the former Saudi ambassador to Washington, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and his wife, Haifa, back in the limelight. Some of the allegations after the attacks focused on the royal couple’s financial aid to the Saudi spouse of a student who appeared to have had contacts with two of the hijackers living in California, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, prior to 9/11.

Bandar was a flamboyant, free-wheeling diplomat with endless wit and charm, who served as ambassador to the United States for 22 years. He was in Washington at the time of the hijackings and had to deal with the barrage of accusations in the media and Congress regarding official Saudi complicity in the 9/11 plot. - See more at: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/saudi-arabia-faces-the-missing-28-pages#sthash.Q229HgeZ.dpuf

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/saudi-arabia-faces-the-missing-28-pages
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 02, 2017, 06:04:16 am
Most of the 911 truth movement folds up at the mention of Saudi Arabia.  :D forget the media
Media would definately cover if pressure was applied. It aint gonna happen. They aint gonna cover "muslims are jew holograms man."
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 02, 2017, 11:36:33 am
related:

Dont know if its been mentioned but money from the Al Yamamah Swiss sccounts went into the Riggs accounts. Obviously the Riggs money is directly tied to the terrorists

yes exactly ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/dec/15/bae.saudiarabia

1993 Al-Yamamah deal renewed. Saudis agree to buy 48 Tornados.

1997-1999
BAE sets up offshore accounts in British Virgin Islands and Switzerland to move around large sums of off-balance-sheet cash.


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http://cecaust.com.au/releases/2016_05_05_Reopen_SFO_AUS.html
Citizens Electoral Council of Australia
Media Release Thursday, 5 May 2016

To stop a major terrorist attack in Britain: Re-open the SFO’s al-Yamamah investigation!

In light of the political furore that has erupted in the USA over the Bush and Obama administrations’ cover-up of Saudi Arabia’s role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack, the British government must end its parallel cover-up of how the British-Saudi al-Yamamah arms deal generated funds for the 9/11 attackers.

 In particular, the House of Commons committees now examining British arms trade with Saudi Arabia must pursue these revelations regarding 9/11. Otherwise the continuing cover-up will ensure that a near-term mass terrorist attack in Britain itself is a certainty, an attack which MI5 and MI6 chiefs have repeatedly warned is coming.

...
The real story behind 9/11

The 14-year suppression of 28 pages of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11, which detail the financing of that attack, started to unravel on 10 April when the CBS TV prime time 60 Minutes program reported on the 28 pages, ahead of Barack Obama’s visit to Saudi Arabia and the UK the week of 28 April. A number of U.S. Congressmen, including former Senator Bob Graham, who chaired the 2002 Joint Congressional Inquiry and authored its report, including the 28 pages, together with families of the 9/11 victims and the LaRouche movement in the United States, have long campaigned to have the 28 pages declassified. Now, following the 60 Minutes broadcast, the issue has exploded into a global media storm.

To end the cover-up—and thus to forestall future attacks—the 28 pages must be declassified, as every top U.S. Congressional leader from House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi to Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, to Speaker of the House (Republican) Paul Ryan and House Intelligence Committee Chairman (Republican) Devin Nunes has now demanded, as did the Editorial Board of the New York Times in a signed editorial on 22 April. In parallel, the British Serious Fraud Office (SFO) investigation of al-Yamamah, which then-PM Tony Blair shut down in 2006, must be re-opened.

What is known about both the 28 pages and al-Yamamah implicates high levels of the British Establishment not only in the cover-up, but in the actual 9/11 attack, and in ongoing international terrorism.

The al-Yamamah oil-for-arms deal is the UK’s biggest-ever arms contract, negotiated in 1985 between then-PM Margaret Thatcher and Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the long-time Saudi ambassador to the USA and one of the Saudi Royals identified in the suppressed 28 pages. Under the deal, British defence contractor BAE Systems supplied fighter jets and infrastructure to the Saudi Air Force in exchange for 600,000 barrels of oil per day—one full oil tanker—for every day of the life of the contract, which as of 2005 had netted BAE Systems £43 billion. But beyond that £43 billion, al-Yamamah generated a secret US$100 billion-plus off-the-books slush fund, which was used to finance coups d’état, assassinations, and terrorism, including the creation of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, as Prince Bandar’s biographer recorded.


...


Beyond the 28 pages, Senator Graham has also called for the declassification of hundreds of thousands of additional pages produced by his Joint Inquiry and the subsequent 9/11 Commission. Merely one such document, the 47-page “Document 17” of the 9/11 Commission, dated 6 June 2003 and only recently declassified, made clear that that Commission and Senator Graham’s Joint Inquiry had discovered strong links between 21 officials of the Saudi government and some of the 9/11 hijackers, links which were never fully pursued because of the cover-up.

https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/document-17.pdf
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 02, 2017, 12:12:22 pm
related video: Prince Bandar's threats over investigation of secret BAE accounts  -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZS1DQmbbSQ
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on January 03, 2017, 06:29:42 am
We also need an encyclopedia on these characters in the offical version and how they relate. For example there is no wikipedia entry on Osama Basnan. Trying to learn basic details is not simple.

Never been a wikipedia entry on Thumairy either, trying to search his name only brings you here...
Fahad al-Thumairy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Saudi_Arabia

I tried amassing important Basnan info here...

9-11 Commission - Protected Felons/Terrorists - Documents Show

Meet Osama Basnan and his wife

Two places to become familiar with what was released with the "28 pages"....

The declassified 28 pages from the report of the congressional Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11 can be read in their originally-released PDF format by clicking....
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/declasspart4.pdf


Below, we’ve posted a full transcription of the 28 pages as a service to anyone who finds this format easier to read or work with. Dotted lines represent redactions, and they do not precisely reflect the length of a redaction or the number of words or characters within it.
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 03, 2017, 09:28:02 am
If we started for example a 28 pages wiki, is there anybody willing to devote time to it?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 04, 2017, 05:43:35 am
I guess the answer is probably not.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on January 04, 2017, 08:59:27 pm
If we started for example a 28 pages wiki, is there anybody willing to devote time to it?

I barely find time to post on PP. The hope is eventually these threads will provide more information than a wiki page. But it's not a bad idea.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on January 04, 2017, 09:03:08 pm
Trump mentions 28 pages - and in 5 months they are declassified. Coincidence? I think not.


Welcome to the debates George! I think Trump's been expecting you!

Posted on February 17, 2016
Donald Trump on 9/11: "You Will Find Out Who Really Knocked Down The World Trade Center"

At a Wednesday morning campaign event in Bluffton, SC, Donald Trump takes his relitigation of the Bush administration's record on 9/11 and Iraq to the next level, seeming to imply that we don't currently know who "really" committed the 9/11 attacks.

Trump says if he is elected: "you will find out who really knocked down the World Trade Center."

"It wasn't the Iraqis," he explained. "You may find it's the Saudis."

"They have papers in there that are very secret," he also said, referencing the 28 still-classified pages of the 9/11 commission report. "But you will find out."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/17/trump_you_will_find_out_who_really_knocked_down_the_world_trade_center_secret_papers_may_blame_saudis.html

5 months later the 28 pages were released. Well, some of the 28 pages were released. The still blacked out parts equal about 3 full pages, and mostly deal with American Intelligence "failures" particularly of the CIA.

John Brennan the current Director of the CIA and errand boy for Obama trying to get fools to believe Trumps victory was part of a Russian coup was never even considered by Trump to stay on. Brennan who was the top CIA operative in Saudi Arabia, before being appointed to chief of staff to CIA Director Tenet, before becoming deputy executive director of the CIA in March of 2001.

They had to declassify some of the 28 pages before the election on the slim chance that Trump would actually win and declassify the whole thing. He did win.
Trump-I hope he declassifies the remaining parts exposing the treasonous turds that helped their Saudi buddies. Payback is a bitch Brennan.

And Trump needs to declassify this interview as well......

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610777

History will eventually condemn these traitors. Don't let history show we let them get away with it. Put the mass murdering traitors on trial.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on January 04, 2017, 09:45:18 pm
The 9/11 Commission was created, in part, to finish the work the congressional panel had begun,” they said in a joint statement.  - Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton, who were chairman and vice-chairman of the 9/11 commission

The 28 pages from 2002 were “based almost entirely on raw, unvetted material that had come to the FBI”, they added. “That material was then written up in FBI files as possible leads for further investigation. As of June 2003 none of these leads had been checked out.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/15/911-report-saudi-arabia-28-pages-released

A stunning admission...

As of June 2003 none of these leads had been checked out
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/15/911-report-saudi-arabia-28-pages-released

What?! Why not?

Because Bush, after halting Saudi leads- preferred investigators go on wild goose chases with outrageous lies like....

October 7, 2002
President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat
Remarks by the President on Iraq

"The threat comes from Iraq."

"We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade."

"Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."
 
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

"...without leaving any fingerprints." -> Like the ones Saudi Arabia left all over the place that he-Bush tried to hide in order to have a war in Iraq.
 
During the entire year of 2002 "none of these leads had been checked out"

Saudi Intelligence was not only all over the plot, they were part of carrying the plot out. The CIA clearly had an operation going on, obviously in collusion with Saudi Intelligence since the same hijackers the CIA were tracking and keeping secret from other U.S. Agencies, were the same hijackers Saudi Agents and diplomats along with Imams at Saudi funded Mosques were assisting once they made their way into America.

America--A country neither of the known al qaeda terrorists and future 9-11 hijackers had ever set foot in before. They are in a country they had never been before without being able to speak the language at all (In Mihdhar's case) and just barely knowing a few words (In Hazmi's case).

They had help. This was a well, thought out plan. A well thought out plan would not include Mihdhar and Hazmi Flying into Los Angeles California with no contacts and assistance to help them. What's funny, in a rather disgusting way is their plan and network had already been compromised before any hijacker arrived in America. Actually, the CIA was doing some pretty good work up until they allowed these first two hijackers into the country.  I'm sure Mihdhar was unaware that his house was under surveillance and phones monitored, as the house was a communications hub for the al qaeda network that the CIA and NSA had been aware of since 1998 thanks to the work of the FBI in it's investigation of the U.S. embassy bombings of Aug 1998 in Africa. In other words-the CIA was all over the plot-and the plotters before they ever set foot in America. And so were the Saudis. I find it interesting that Saudi and Pakistani intelligence asset Osama Bin Laden convinced KSM to keep Mihdhar in on the plot even though KSM wanted him (and possibly Hazmi) removed. So What Happened?

Treason!!

The following is the "very best case scenio"-I can come up with for Pres Bush - and it still makes him a mass murderer and a traitor.............

If Bush had nothing-zero-nadda- to do with the 9-11 attacks. Had absolutely no idea America would be attacked by anybody for anything. If he was 100% innocent....he is still guilty of interfering in a congressional investigation, protecting foreign spies who helped the hijackers, preventing investigation of suspects involved in the 9-11 attacks, and doing all this because he wants to have a war with Iraq-despite the fact that he knows the evidence is ALL Saudi Arabia /possibly some Israel but no Iraq evidence. How does he know? Because he's the one making it illegal to mention the Saudi evidence by classifying it all.

While Bush is saying things like....

"We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade." - October 7, 2002

and the only time he mentions Saudi Arabia in this speech is.....

"Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles -- far enough to strike Saudi Arabia"  -October 7, 2002
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

Iraq was a threat to Saudi Arabia.....

"Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles -- far enough to strike Saudi Arabia"

But Iraq won't be after Bush sends thousands of Americans to their deaths. Their lives are not as valuable....

And Hussein was a threat to ....

Prince Bandar...

"He wanted us to knock off Saddam."

"Saddam had taken out a contract to have him killed. Also, Saddam had tried to assassinate his favorite U.S. President, George H. W. Bush, while he was visiting Kuwait after leaving office in April 1993. So the Prince couldn't wait for U.S. Bombs to fall." - Page 137 
https://books.google.com/books?id=UdIZhiQxGxEC&pg=PA137&dq=Indyk+remembered+a+different+Bandar&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiH94SOmqfRAhWqx4MKHWRRBvEQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Indyk%20remembered%20a%20different%20Bandar&f=false

While Bush was stopping any Investigation into his Saudi buddies and the CIA who were following his orders, the JI was conducting it's own investigation despite Bush's constant interferences...

FBI agent Steven Butler testifies in closed session of the JI

Several members were "appalled" at what informed sources described as the "explosive" testimony of Special Agent Steven Butler, who recently retired from the FBI after his final posting in the bureau's San Diego field office.

After Butler testified, Eleanor Hill, the staff director for the 9/11 committee, detailed his statements in a memo to the Justice Department. Justice officials, saying Butler's testimony is classified, declined comment.

http://web.archive.org/web/20021201191949/http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

I filed a MDR with the Justice Department to declassify this memo. They responded that they don't know anything about this memo. Erik Larson moderator at 911blogger tried a FOIA request on this memo and got the same result. I then contacted Eleanor Hill myself to tell her this and she said she can't tell me anything because it's all classified but then asked me if I had read Bob Grahams book "Intelligence Matters" and I said I had read it. She said he was very upset that this was being kept from the American people and she then told me that the Senate Intelligence Committee should have a copy of everything including that memo.

The 28 pages showed some of FBI agent Steven Butler's testimony. Butler was the handler for "Muppet" the FBI Informant Hazmi and Mihdhar stayed with...

From 28 pages:

Two former San Diego agents addressed the issue of whether al-Bayoumi was an intelligence officer at the October 9, 2002 closed hearing. The former case agent who handled Muppet testified:

[Al-Bayoumi] acted like a Saudi intelligence officer, in my opinion. And if he was involved with the hijackers, which it looks like he was, if he signed leases, if he provided some sort of financing or payment of some sort, then I would say that there’s a clear possibility that there might be a connection between Saudi intelligence and UBL.  - page 424
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/declasspart4.pdf

UBL was always a Saudi Intelligence asset-along with being a Pakistani Intelligence asset.

At the time (2002) reports told us:

Justice officials, saying Butler's testimony is classified, declined comment. FBI officials also declined comment, saying they are pursuing "all investigative leads ... in a thorough and confidential manner."
http://web.archive.org/web/20021201191949/http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

Bush classified the truth so he could put out his BS....

"Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."
"We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade."
- Speech of Mass murderer and traitor Bush October 7, 2002
   https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
                             
And covered up this truth....
                                                                                 
I would say that there’s a clear possibility that there might be a connection between Saudi intelligence and UBL.  - Agent Steven Butler October 9, 2002
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/declasspart4.pdf

The truth is classified while they initiated the cover-up and lies...

On October 9, members of the special congressional committee investigating the 9/11 attacks met privately with a key FBI witness.
Justice officials, saying Butler's testimony is classified, declined comment. FBI officials also declined comment, saying they are pursuing "all investigative leads ... in a thorough and confidential manner."

http://web.archive.org/web/20021201191949/http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

"they are pursuing "all investigative leads ... in a thorough and confidential manner." -- FBI Nov 29, 2002

Bush stopped all investigation leads concerning Saudi Arabia/CIA

"As of June 2003 none of these leads had been checked out." --Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton, who were chairman and vice-chairman of the 9/11 commission 15 July 2016
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/15/911-report-saudi-arabia-28-pages-released


9-11 commission interview with FBI Agent Steven Butler...

https://www.scribd.com/document/20300241/Mfr-Nara-t1a-FBI-FBI-Special-Agent-62-11-18-03-00455


The two big questions the Commission were to answer-Saudi and CIA involvement with the hijackers:

Saudi officials supported the Sept. 11, 2001 attackers, says a former member of the 9/11 commission.

“There was an awful lot of participation by Saudi individuals in supporting the hijackers, and some of those people worked in the Saudi government,” commission member John F. Lehman said in an interview with the Guardian.


He says at least five Saudi regime officials were strongly suspected of being involved in the al-Qaeda support network.

“Our report should never have been read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia,” Lehman said, referring to the 9/11 commission’s 2004 final report that minimized the Saudi regime’s alleged role.
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/12/911_commission_bombshell_saudi_officials_supported_attackers_says_panel_member/

9/11 Commission Continued to Protect CIA

As for why the CIA not only failed to share pre-9/11 information on Al-Qaeda operatives but forbade the FBI agents in Alec Station from sharing it, Zelikow said, “We don’t know.”
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/23/information-could-have-stopped-911-299148.html

Maybe Bush knows. Since he was the one giving orders to the people who work at The George Bush Center for Intelligence.

The George Bush Center for Intelligence is the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bush_Center_for_Intelligence
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 05, 2017, 12:53:47 pm
http://911story.wikia.com/wiki/911story_Wiki

This site indexes very well in google. If anyone wants to i have created.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 06, 2017, 09:54:46 am
'SAM STAR MART TEXACO' employee Mohdar Abdullah, whose given name is Al-Mohdar Mohamed Al-Mohdar Zeid was assigned the task of helping facilitate 9/11 hijack terrorists Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar after they arrived in Los Angels in January 2000 by Omar AlBayoumi. Mohdar Abdullah drove from San Diego to Los Angeles to pick up Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdharand returned with them to San Diego. Mohdar Abdullah a student from Yemen was working at Osama Sam Mustafa's 'SAM STAR MART TEXACO' gas station in La Mesa a suburb of San Diego

NBC News has learned that a renewed FBI investigation into 'SAM STAR MART TEXACO' employee Mohdar Abdullah was triggered, in part, by surveillance videotapes from inside the Los Angeles Airport shot in June 2000 — a year before 9/11. Law enforcement officials tell NBC the grainy tapes show terrorist Nawaf al-Hazmi with Mohdar Abdullah and an unidentified man. Sources say the men appear to be scouting out the airport.

http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2017/01/new-fbi-report-indicates-sam-mustafa.html

"The checkout folio for Said Abdullah"  -  "employee Mohdar Abdullah whose given name is Al-Mohdar Mohamed Al-Mohdar Zeid"

note the similarity
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 07, 2017, 06:03:08 am
I think the two muslims were working for Steven Butler. That is why they were resident for a time in an FBI safehouse. There was an active terrorist cell in san diego under continual investigation. This was possibly Osama Mustafas PLO cell. I presume this to be the reason they were recruited. Butler also said he had been tasked with monitoring Saudi money flows. Obviously people like Bayomi and Basnan were indeed recepients of Saudi money.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 07, 2017, 06:54:20 pm
There are two versions of how Mihdhar and Hazmi ended up in San Diego. The oft-heard one is that they were lured by Bayoumi’s description of the weather during their supposedly random restaurant encounter on Venice Boulevard in Los Angeles. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, told interrogators he chose to send the terrorists to San Diego after finding a copy of the San Diego phone directory at a Karachi, Pakistan, flea market.

Neither is very convincing
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 07, 2017, 06:56:23 pm
Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been an unpaid FBI informant for six years in 2000, rented a room to Mihdhar for about a month and Hazmi for seven.

Fifteen years after 9/11, Mihdhar, Hazmi, and Shaikh are still the subject of discussion by Shaikh’s neighbors. Two of them are a couple who was sitting on the porch of their Lemon Grove home on the night of September 14, 2001, waiting for the FBI. It was almost 11 p.m. when four black SUVs arrived and began driving slowly up and down Mt. Vernon Street.

The couple had reported Shaikh, their next door neighbor, to the FBI after learning that he had boarded two of the 9/11 terrorists. They watched the parade of vehicles on the street for several minutes before the SUVs pulled into the 200-foot driveway that can be mistaken for a dead end street.

The couple had given the FBI its first big investigative lead, but agents were having trouble finding their home; a strange occurrence, given that Shaikh was, after all, an FBI informant
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 09, 2017, 01:20:08 pm
Using database searches I have now found two tie-ins between McVeigh and Al Qaeda.
I now no longer believe it is a coincidence or a theory. McVeigh was an Al Qaeda attack.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 10, 2017, 04:36:10 pm
Quote from the 28 Pages
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According to the FBI, Ercan is a San Diego subcontractor of Dallah/Avco. DallahAvco is a subsidiary of Al Barakaat Investment

Where was Ercan in San Diego...?

All I can find is Ercan Engineering in Newport Beach.  3345 Newport Blvd, Ste 203; Newport Beach, California
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 10, 2017, 04:57:33 pm
Let put it another way, Is there anyone who would dispute that the Ercan they are talking about is Ercan Inc of Newport Beach, run by Magdi R Hanna.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 10, 2017, 06:15:11 pm
Listen at Shaikhs address - 8451 Mount Vernon, Lemon Grove - are people we have as yet to here anything from or about

A man named Jehanzeb R Afridi left the address in 2000, around the time the Jihadis were there.

Another man named Ramez T Noaman left the address in 2001 and completely vanished. Possibly moved abroad.

https://www.myrelatives.com/address-lookup/ca/lemon-grove/m/mount-vernon/8451
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on January 10, 2017, 06:59:58 pm
Another man named Ramez T Noaman left the address in 2001 and completely vanished. Possibly moved abroad.

https://www.myrelatives.com/address-lookup/ca/lemon-grove/m/mount-vernon/8451

Noaman moved to Los Angeles in 2001. He bought the car insurance for Hazmi's car. Sam Mustafa owner of Sam's Texaco Star mart, where Hazmi was employed (illegally) actually was co-owner of several places. His partner was the husband of the Insurance Agent that Noaman bought the car insurance from. I can't recall exactly how I know this....

FBI interview with Noaman (Tells us nothing)......

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-10-01-FBI-FD302-ramez-tawfik-noaman2.pdf

He's a nobody IMO. He might have been one of the employees at Sams Texaco, which would probably make him anti-Israeli and pro -jihad-but I've seen nothing to indicate he was anything else.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on January 10, 2017, 07:52:50 pm
I think the two muslims were working for Steven Butler.

No -they weren't. Butler was used as a scapegoat. The DOJIG report slammed him for "not being aggressive enough" in getting info from his informant. The FBI was initially portrayed as the "scapegoat" when it was the CIA helping their Saudi partners in crime just as they have for the last 30 years. They were by law required to turn the information they had over to the FBI. They didn't - on purpose. Butler did ask about these two staying in Abusatter's house. And he also asked for their full names- his informant never gave them to him. The informant has several things to explain--like why was Mihdhar having his bank statements forwarded to his house before he supposedly ever met him? (Statements forwarded in Feb - Mihdhar moved in supposedly in May) There are several things the informant needs to explain, not Butler.
I can't say how I know this in a public forum --but I do know that Butler is no fan of the Neocons and thinks the Iraq war was a load of BS, among other things. Butler gained nothing from 9-11 and retired shortly after his testimony  which contradicted what Bush was saying in public and exposed how investigations were not being done, which didn't make him "a prospect for advancement" and basically ended his career. And of course it was all classified until a little just came out recently with the 28 pages partial release in July 2016.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 10, 2017, 08:45:35 pm
Noaman moved to Los Angeles in 2001. He bought the car insurance for Hazmi's car. Sam Mustafa owner of Sam's Texaco Star mart, where Hazmi was employed (illegally) actually was co-owner of several places. His partner was the husband of the Insurance Agent that Noaman bought the car insurance from. I can't recall exactly how I know this....

FBI interview with Noaman (Tells us nothing)......

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-10-01-FBI-FD302-ramez-tawfik-noaman2.pdf

He's a nobody IMO. He might have been one of the employees at Sams Texaco, which would probably make him anti-Israeli and pro -jihad-but I've seen nothing to indicate he was anything else.

Weird that its censored. His email address was MRYIMN@AOL. Im not sure what that means but Mry-Imn is a hieroglyph translation meaning "beloved of Amun" and is often associated with pharaoh Ramses. Given that his name is Ramez, it is an interesting email to choose.
I see he appears in 2000 Peace Week Festival Unites World Cultures "International Peace Village was part of San Diego State University’s second annual World Peace Week, held to demonstrate how people around the world can put away their differences and respect each other. Information and Decision Systems junior Ramez Noaman, who represented Eritrea, Africa, said he finally understood the political conflict between North and South Korea" - http://www.thedailyaztec.com/19727/daily-aztec-stories/peace-week-festival-unites-world-cultures/
Amusing, really.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 10, 2017, 08:57:09 pm
No -they weren't. Butler was used as a scapegoat. The DOJIG report slammed him for "not being aggressive enough" in getting info from his informant. The FBI was initially portrayed as the "scapegoat" when it was the CIA helping their Saudi partners in crime just as they have for the last 30 years. They were by law required to turn the information they had over to the FBI. They didn't - on purpose. Butler did ask about these two staying in Abusatter's house. And he also asked for their full names- his informant never gave them to him. The informant has several things to explain--like why was Mihdhar having his bank statements forwarded to his house before he supposedly ever met him? (Statements forwarded in Feb - Mihdhar moved in supposedly in May) There are several things the informant needs to explain, not Butler.
I can't say how I know this in a public forum --but I do know that Butler is no fan of the Neocons and thinks the Iraq war was a load of BS, among other things. Butler gained nothing from 9-11 and retired shortly after his testimony  which contradicted what Bush was saying in public and exposed how investigations were not being done, which didn't make him "a prospect for advancement" and basically ended his career. And of course it was all classified until a little just came out recently with the 28 pages partial release in July 2016.

Thats very interesting. But 1. I simply dont believe the CIA didnt tell anyone. and 2. His views on the neocons really dont matter.
I am getting a little tired of FBI agents blaming the CIA. It seems like a coordinated FBI media campaign to shift the blame to CIA.
The reason I dont believe the IG report is I read one of the FBI agents say they didnt have the necessary security clearance to get the whole story.
It seems to me If CIA had failed to inform every other agency of what they knew about these muslims, there would be hell to pay. Tenet would not be getting medals. Something fishy about the story. And we never get to here from CIA agents about it. That way the story never gets resolved one way or the other.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 10, 2017, 09:12:24 pm
An interesting early version of the Bayoumi story here

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A Social Host

Among the people who helped the San Diego hijackers, the one who seems to have done the most is Al-Bayoumi, the business student who orchestrated the welcoming party.

Exactly how Al-Bayoumi knew Alhazmi and Almihdhar remains obscure, but one San Diego source with strong ties to local Muslims said that Al-Bayoumi drove to Los Angeles late in 1999 to meet the two young men and "brought them down physically in his car."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/12/29/hijackers-found-welcome-mat-on-west-coast/0a5fd968-1b4d-416f-bef3-41c352d01bc7/?utm_term=.12e1fff5474e
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on January 10, 2017, 09:24:41 pm
Information and Decision Systems junior Ramez Noaman, who represented Eritrea, Africa, said he finally understood the political conflict between North and South Korea" - http://www.thedailyaztec.com/19727/daily-aztec-stories/peace-week-festival-unites-world-cultures/
Amusing, really.

I didn't know that.

from 28 pages:

Saudi Royal Family provided Bassnan with a significant amount of cash. FBI information indicates that Bassnan is an extremist and supporter of Usama Bin Laden, and has been connected to the Eritrean Islamic Jihad and the Blind Shaykh;
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

JI:
The FBI did not investigate Bassnan before September 11, but had been made aware of him on several occasions. In May 1992, the State Department provided the FBI with a box of documents recovered from an abandoned car. The documents were in Arabic, and one, a newsletter to supporters of the Eritrean Islamic Jihad (EIJ) Movement, provided updates on the EIJ’s council and was marked “confidential.” The box contained letters addressed to Bassnan
https://books.google.com/books?id=sxL409cwDd4C&pg=PA176&lpg=PA176&dq=The+FBI+did+not+investigate+Bassnan+before+September+11,+but+had+been+made+aware+of+him+on+several+occasions.+In+May+1992,+the+State+Department+provided+the+FBI+with+a+box+of+documents+recovered+from+an+abandoned+car.+The+documents+were+in+Arabic,+and+one,+a+newsletter+to+supporters+of+the+Eritrean+Islamic+Jihad+(EIJ)+Movement,+provided+updates+on+the+EIJ+council+and+was+marked+%E2%80%9Cconfidential.%E2%80%9D+The+box+contained+letters+addressed+to+Bassnan&source=bl&ots=FH9GMVTVAz&sig=nX2YImFyveOLxFdOBpo-HYAXWVk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwic_NH5krnRAhWn64MKHXzMBOIQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=The%20FBI%20did%20not%20investigate%20Bassnan%20before%20September%2011%2C%20but%20had%20been%20made%20aware%20of%20him%20on%20several%20occasions.%20In%20May%201992%2C%20the%20State%20Department%20provided%20the%20FBI%20with%20a%20box%20of%20documents%20recovered%20from%20an%20abandoned%20car.%20The%20documents%20were%20in%20Arabic%2C%20and%20one%2C%20a%20newsletter%20to%20supporters%20of%20the%20Eritrean%20Islamic%20Jihad%20(EIJ)%20Movement%2C%20provided%20updates%20on%20the%20EIJ%20council%20and%20was%20marked%20%E2%80%9Cconfidential.%E2%80%9D%20The%20box%20contained%20letters%20addressed%20to%20Bassnan&f=false

Thats very interesting. But 1. I simply dont believe the CIA didnt tell anyone.

Well, you can believe anything. But the CIA not only didn't tell anyone-they admit it-and then lie about why.

2. His views on the neocons really dont matter.

They do if you realize how badly they wanted a war with Iraq and why.

I am getting a little tired of FBI agents blaming the CIA. It seems like a coordinated FBI media campaign to shift the blame to CIA.

Because the CIA was working with Saudi Intelligence and not the FBI. They deserve to be blamed. And to be honest I don't blame the agents-I blame the one they are taking orders from Tenet-who is taking them from Bush

The reason I dont believe the IG report is I read one of the FBI agents say they didnt have the necessary security clearance to get the whole story.

Nonsense.

It seems to me If CIA had failed to inform every other agency of what they knew about these muslims, there would be hell to pay. Tenet would not be getting medals. Something fishy about the story.

Yea, well, that's why 9-11 truth happened. Tenet got the highest award he could get after committing perjury at the Joint Inquiry hearings and the 9-11 commission hearings. He protected Bush. He is also a millionaire after 9-11 just like Bandar's new lawyer who was head of the FBI Louis Freeh. They made out pretty good. And the "unpaid" informant got a $100,000 check after refusing to testify at the joint inquiry and not passing a polygraph.

And we never get to here from CIA agents about it. That way the story never gets resolved one way or the other.

CIA head at JI Hearings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF38P58-rdo

CIA head at 9-11 Commission hearings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cIo33eVSKg

The CYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeKobTfprik
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 11, 2017, 06:35:51 am
Bernazzani and Rossini are good friends and have known each other for many years. Bernazzani became Rossini’s boss when he transferred to the Counterterrorism Center in Langley, Virginia, after the attacks. In a telephone interview from New Orleans, Bernazzani recounted how he learned of Miller’s memo in 2002 when a troubled Rossini walked into his office. According to the Office of the Inspector General report, when questioned, Rossini and Miller had no recollection of Miller’s unsent memo and also claimed they did not remember that Mihdhar was the subject of the memo. Rossini said the CIA’s strict confidentiality rules forced him to lie, and he knew that the information about Mihdhar had been obtained through covert means.

“I had been told by individuals I worked with at the CIA not to say anything. ‘The people you’re going to speak with don’t have clearance to know what we do here,’ I was told. It’s a very sensitive subject. I had no protection. I was not allowed a lawyer and was not given assurance that anything I said would not be used against me. There was also a CIA minder taking notes,” said Rossini.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/sep/07/cover-911-could-have-been-stopped-san-diego/?page=2

This guy admits he lied to the inspector general office here. Again claims CIA made him. Since when do FBI guys take orders from CIA. So which part is the nonsense part. These people cant get their story straight in my opinion.

Quote
CIA head at JI Hearings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF38P58-rdo

This conversation is utter bullsht. Ought to make you wonder whether you are getting the true story here. At least thats what i think. CIA was closely monitoring people who attended Millennium summit, what happened with one memo is a distraction.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 11, 2017, 06:44:21 am
I didn't know that.

from 28 pages:

Saudi Royal Family provided Bassnan with a significant amount of cash. FBI information indicates that Bassnan is an extremist and supporter of Usama Bin Laden, and has been connected to the Eritrean Islamic Jihad and the Blind Shaykh;
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

JI:
The FBI did not investigate Bassnan before September 11, but had been made aware of him on several occasions. In May 1992, the State Department provided the FBI with a box of documents recovered from an abandoned car. The documents were in Arabic, and one, a newsletter to supporters of the Eritrean Islamic Jihad (EIJ) Movement, provided updates on the EIJ’s council and was marked “confidential.” The box contained letters addressed to Bassnan


This guy has words which I associate with Egypt, but is reported to be a mid 20s Yemeni. However he represented Eritrea and his family are at least in part Korean. Definitely an enigma. Almost everyone who lived in Shaikhs house seems to have known the terrorists and had their name on car insurance policies of the terrorists. How the hell does Shaikh find these people. I predict that whatever the answer is it will involve blaming the CIA.
I want to understand better how Shaikh was paid for his services. I read that he received no payments from the FBI which is very confusing to me.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 11, 2017, 06:53:58 am
Late 1998: FBI Asks NSA to Pass on All Calls between Al-Qaeda Yemen Hub and US

The FBI asks the NSA to pass on all calls between an al-Qaeda communications hub in Yemen and the US. The hub, which is run by an operative named Ahmed al-Hada and was involved in the attacks on US embassies in East Africa, is a key al-Qaeda logistics center and intelligence gleaned from listening in on calls to and from it will help prevent some attacks. Dan Coleman, one of the FBI agents who places the request, will say, “anyone who called the Yemen number is white-hot, a top suspect.” However, the NSA will not inform the FBI of all calls between the hub and the US. In particular, two 9/11 hijackers will call the hub while they are in the US. However, the information will be withheld from the FBI and various explanations will be offered for this failure

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=alate98fbiorderyemen#alate98fbiorderyemen

So here we have exactly the same story only this time the NSA are the bad guys. What happened, did they fail to send a memo one time? CIA/NSA did not block the FBI from investigating the 1998 Embassy bombings which was connected to the Yemen safehouse associated with Midhar. FBI could have determined on their own in 1998 that Khalid al-midhar was suspicious for all we know.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 12:09:40 pm
As Magdi Hanna's name is on the Finnlist we can take it that the DallahAvco money went via his company Ercan Inc to Omar al-Bayoumi.

Ercan Inca was registered at 3345 Newport Blvd. Newport Beach, CA 92663

i.e. Newport Beach Los Angeles, not in San Diego itself. Any San Diego address remains a mystery.

The Kurdish mosque Bayoumi was installed at was built for the Kurdish Community Islamic Centre which had been created only a year previously. They were registered at 1357 Broadway El Cajon, CA 92021, an address which has only one other corporate registry that i could find. The men who registered the other business have friends in LA.

I was wondering are Magdi r Hanna and Magdy F Hanna, both of Newport beach, the same person? It would solve a few problems if they were. They are both of a similar age, both involved in building apartment complexes around California. Yet seem separate people.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 04:38:33 pm
Osama Basnan must have been close to the Saudi embassy in Washington. Basnan lived out there for many years and money was sent to his wife but apparently only at his instigation not hers. His wife and him lived at the same apartment complex where the terrorists went to live. Again if they were Saudi agents that address may have been tied to Saudi agents in some fashion.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 04:47:11 pm
If the FBI had no idea these men were Al Qaeda. What could have prevented them from attempting to recruit Hazmi and Midhar as confidential informants. Butler said he was investigating Saudi money flows to terrorists and indeed money was flowing from Saudi accounts to these two people.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 05:34:45 pm
FBI agent Brian Weidner denied all and any links to the Saudi Embassy in this interview:

https://research.archives.gov/id/2610125

This is an example of why the 911 Commission found the way it did and therefore one of the conflicts which needs to be resolved
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 06:14:46 pm
While hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar live in the house of an FBI asset, Abdussattar Shaikh, the asset continues to have contact with his FBI handler. The handler, FBI agent Steven Butler, later claims that during the summer Shaikh mentions the names “Nawaf” and “Khalid” in passing and that they are renting rooms from him. Shaikh tells Butler that they are apolitical and have done nothing to arouse suspicion. However, according to the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry, he later admits that Alhazmi has “contacts with at least four individuals he knew were of interest to the FBI and about whom he had previously reported to the FBI.” Three of these four people are being actively investigated at the time the hijackers are there.

Points toward something larger
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 06:35:04 pm
The Joe Trento version

After 9/11, an unnamed former CIA officer who worked in Saudi Arabia will tell investigative journalist Joe Trento that hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar were allowed to operate in the US unchecked because they were agents of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence agency. “We had been unable to penetrate al-Qaeda. The Saudis claimed that they had done it successfully. Both Alhazmi and Almihdhar were Saudi agents. We thought they had been screened. It turned out the man responsible for recruiting them had been loyal to Osama bin Laden. The truth is bin Laden himself was a Saudi agent at one time. He successfully penetrated Saudi intelligence and created his own operation inside. The CIA relied on the Saudis vetting their own agents. It was a huge mistake. The reason the FBI was not given any information about either man is because they were Saudi assets operating with CIA knowledge in the United States.”

In a 2006 book the Trentos will add: “Saudi intelligence had sent agents Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi to spy on a meeting of top associates of al-Qaeda in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, January 5-8, 2000. ‘The CIA/Saudi hope was that the Saudis would learn details of bin Laden’s future plans. Instead plans were finalized and the Saudis learned nothing,’ says a terrorism expert who asks that his identity be withheld… Under normal circumstances, the names of Almihdhar and Alhazmi should have been placed on the State Department, Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), and US Customs watch lists. The two men would have been automatically denied entry into the US. Because they were perceived as working for a friendly intelligence service, however, the CIA did not pass along the names.”

Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 06:43:33 pm
It has been suggested there were two other individuals living in the Shaikhs house concurrently with Midhar and Hazmi.

One was a Saudi guy who knew Hani Hanjour when he was young and had some relationship with Bayoumi.

The other I dont know.

A guy called Bakarbashat was found living in the house by FBI agents after 9/11. He had worked at the PLO gas station Al Hazmi had worked at. What the hell was he doing there. It appears Shaikh was advertising his property directly at the gas station now.

Obviously I found that two there guys Ramez Noaman and Jehanzeb Afridi who havent received much attention are registered residents of the property around the same time frame.

I seem to remember reading about some other guy whose name was on the same car insurance policies whose name i cant remember
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 06:52:09 pm
Why did Hazmi have Shaikh' s address on his notice to vacate the Parkwood apartment on 13 February 2000 and Mihdhar use the same address for his change of address on his bank account on 19 April 2000

Did Shaikh charge Mihdhar $300 for the eight days that he allegedly stayed in the house (June 2 to June I0). Why would Mihdhar pay a full month's rent knowing he was going to leave the country in a week. How was Shaikh remunerated for his services for the FBI.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 07:26:39 pm
Commission interview with Thumairy

Upon arriving in Los Angeles, al-Thumairy stayed in a hotel close to both the KFM and the Saudi consulate for approximately one week. He then moved into an apartment on Kelton Avenue, near Venice Boulevard. AI-Thumairy said he subsequently moved from this apartment to a house in Culver City on Huron Avenue. This house was at the end of the same street as the KFM.

Kelton Ave is actually very close to the alleged meeting place for Bayoumi and the terrorists, on Venice Blvd. Huron Avenue is not exactly far away either. ( I presume 10863 Venice Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90034 is the correct address for that)
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 09:10:37 pm
can anyone decipher the handwritten notes at the bottom of this document. They seem quite interesting:

https://www.archives.gov/files/declassification/iscap/pdf/2012-048-doc18.pdf

Something about a cab driver identifying the two men at the king fahad mosque, etc.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 12, 2017, 09:22:37 pm
It is interesting how the story has morphed since the 28 pages were written:

They say... there was a standing order on Haifas account to Basnan's wife staring January 1999. The story was this was payments to her for nursing services she performed. As Osama Basnan was still moaning about his ill health when 911 Commission staff interviewed him years later, it might be nursing services for him. The 28 Pages say that there is no evidence she ever performed nursing services. They key difference here is the date is completely out from the current *revised* story.

FBI found evidence of Payments from Bandar and his wife going back even a year prior to that. So says 28 Pages.

It is hard to see how these dates can be wrong by accident
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 08:13:04 am
A San Antonio doctor named AlBadr AlHazmi was arrested as a material witness one day after 911. He was held for two weeks then released. The FBI said he also went by the named Khalid Al Midhar. They said his credit card was used to purchase two of the tickets for the hiackers.

I found a possible identity for this man as Khalid alHazmi, a person by that name is registered at '911 St Paul Richardson tx' and has the same as as alBadr, 50. I also found thatalBadr shares a phone number with 'Omar Z Alsaigh' whose past addresses include a US Naval academy in Alameda, ca.

A man named Diah Thabet made a number of statements to the FBI such as knowing other muslims like Omar Bakarbashat who had pleaded with religious leaders for martyrdom operations but had not yet been approved. Thabet shared a linked to (i believe it was) Osama Mustafas gas station cell. Thabet shared a phone number with someone called 'Christina Hoertzknight' who had a previous address of '12 Box 12 Comnavforjapan N2 Fpo, AP 96349' which sounds like the Navy in Japan.

The San Diego cell is known to have frequented with multiple Saudi naval officers such as Osama Nooh and Lafti al-Harbi and another one. One of these guys was stationed at the Pensacola Naval Air Station, a place the hijackers used as an address to acquire identity documents. These Saudi officers admit to having helped the hijackers at times.

I would say there is evidence here for military assistance. Especially Naval.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 09:22:50 am
Was Hani Hanjour a Saudi agent as well?
What about Khallad bin Attash.
How many Saudi agents were there.
Wali and Waleed al Shehri has grown up on Saudi military bases and their uncle was reported to be head of logistics for the saudi army.
Marwan Al Shehhi was in the UAE military. Although he was officially thrown out for desertion, an FBI agent considered the expert on the financing told the commission payments continued into 2000 and overlapped his Al Qaeda payments by six months.
Atta and Shehhi announced they had pilots jobs waiting for them in Saudi Arabia, was this part of some kind of cover.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 09:37:25 am
Here is another ongoing counterterroism investigation:

In approximately 1998, the FBI became aware of millions of dollars in wire transfers from the Somali community in San Diego to Al Barakaat Trading Company and other businesses affiliated with Usama Bin Ladin. At the time, the funding appeared to be originating from the local Somali community in the form of donations to various Somali non-profits. However, the FBI now believes that the some of the funding actually originated from Saudi Arabia and that both the Ibn Tamiyah Mosque in Los Angeles and the Islamic Center of San Diego were involved in laundering the money.

They may also have been investigations of Osama Mustafas PLO cell and of Kifah Jayyousi's radical newsletter.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 09:42:16 am
From the 28 pages:

According to the former Chief of Alec Station, the unit in the DCI’s Counterterrorist Center established in 1996 to focus specifically on Usama Bin Ladin, it was clear from about 1996 that the Saudi Government would not cooperate with the United States on maters relating to Usama Bin Ladin. There is a May 1996 memo from the DCI’s Counterterrorist Center stating that the Saudis had stopped providing background information or other assistance on Bin Ladin.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 09:58:53 am
I really feel with Trumps obvious ties to Russia - this 'defend the Saud' national security position could genuinely be overturned in the coming years. Thats if he doesnt get impeached first.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 10:16:42 am
Further Saudi money flows.

Fleet National Bank in Boston files a “suspicious-activity report” (SARS) with the US Treasury Department about wire transfers from the Saudi Embassy in Washington to Aafia Siddiqui, a long-time member of the Al-Kifah Refugee Center and then Care International, and her husband Dr. Mohammed Amjad Khan. Fleet National Bank investigators discover that one account used by the Boston-area couple shows repeated on-line credit card purchases from stores that “specialize in high-tech military equipment and apparel.” Khan purchased body armor, night-vision goggles, and military manuals, and then sent them to Pakistan. The bank also investigates two transfers totaling $70,000 sent on the same day from the Saudi Armed Forces Account used by the Saudi Embassy at the Riggs Bank in Washington to two Saudi nationals living in Boston

Riggs also reported $19,200 in payments from the Saudi Embassy to Gulshair al-Shukrijumah, a Florida-based imam connected to Omar Abdul Rahman, convicted of a 1996 plot to blow up New York City landmarks. Gulshair al-Shukrijumah's son, Adnan al-Shukrijumah, is a suspected al-Qaeda operative being sought by the FBI, said Newsweek.

Riggs employees are said to be close with the CIA and to have security clearances. Bush relative Jonathan Bush works at Riggs.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 13, 2017, 10:30:53 am
Further Saudi money flows.

Fleet National Bank in Boston files a “suspicious-activity report” (SARS) with the US Treasury Department about wire transfers from the Saudi Embassy in Washington to Aafia Siddiqui, a long-time member of the Al-Kifah Refugee Center and then Care International, and her husband Dr. Mohammed Amjad Khan. Fleet National Bank investigators discover that one account used by the Boston-area couple shows repeated on-line credit card purchases from stores that “specialize in high-tech military equipment and apparel.” Khan purchased body armor, night-vision goggles, and military manuals, and then sent them to Pakistan. The bank also investigates two transfers totaling $70,000 sent on the same day from the Saudi Armed Forces Account used by the Saudi Embassy at the Riggs Bank in Washington to two Saudi nationals living in Boston
...


see: Aafia Siddiqui - WTC93 - 9/11 - strange case comes to closure?  (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=82012.0)

also do a general search on "Aafia Siddiqui" - I have considered merging all the threads regarding her , but it seems better to leave them in place ,,,


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=158367.msg941400#msg941400
US jury convicts Aafia Siddiqui - Protests erupt across Pakistan over torture
« on: February 05, 2010, 05:28:46 PM »

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=54115.0
A deeper look into the new "female Al-Qaeda"
« on: August 14, 2008, 03:09:46 PM »

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=199436.0
Aafia Siddiqui’s Lawyer: “She was Detained for Five Years in a Black Site” 
« on: January 25, 2011, 02:00:36 PM »
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 02:51:01 pm
I found a podcast where her sister is being interview. Her sister is barking mad. I couldnt stand listening to it.
The only thing i really know about Aafia Siddiqui is that her new husband was related to KSM. Boston was obviously very important though. Osama's China White heroin came in through Boston. The Afghan Karzai family were there running a restaurant called Helmand. Abdullah bin Laden was there, he frequented that restaurant and knew the Tsarnaev family later on. Ptech and Care Int were there. All sorts of characters lived on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston. I believe Care was at 1085 Commonwealth. The Islamic society of Boston was tied to Abdulrahman Alamoudi a Bin Laden agent who infiltrated the Pentagon and the White House and who is tied to the organisations in Virginia that funded Al Qaeda and helped carry out 911.

There is enormous circumstantial evidence now that the old BCCI funding network became the Al Qaeda fund raising network and indeed the 911 support network.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 05:03:42 pm
Fugitive Osama Mustafa is currently in email contact with PI Bill Warner. This may lead somewhere

You know Billy boy what is it that I ever did to you to write all that false stuff about me on the internet . I've never met you nor have I harmed you in any way. Is it just plain racist hate that makes you lie and attack me for no reason. I also had access to everyone's credit reports being a car dealer and all there personal information for 7 years. Look at yourself billy boy.

I told you a million times I had zero knowledge of 9-11 nor did I have any contact with these guys at all except for the time I told this guy , you idiots call nawaf to run my wife's car through the car wash. I offered to take as many polygraphs as they wanted and was never taken up on the offer. I invited them to search my home without a search warrant as I had nothing to hide. They are trying to cover up there crimes against what they did at trial.

http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2017/01/tampas-osama-sam-mustafa-tells-me-how.html

Apparently Nawaf alHazmi had access to his wifes car. The terrorists may have used this to travel. Everybody seems to have shared in car insurance policies at this place for some reason.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 05:30:39 pm
Military records show that hijackers Saeed and Ahmed Alghamdi listed their address on driver licenses and car registrations as 10 Radford Blvd., a base roadway where residences for foreign-military flight trainees are located, according to Newsweek (9-15-2001). Saeed Alghamdi listed the Radford address to register a 1998 Oldsmobile, and then used it again to register a late model Buick. Driver licenses thought to have been issued to Ahmed Alghamdi in 1996 and 1998 also list the Radford residence, added Newsweek.

Here is Saudi naval officer Osama Nooh. You can see he used this address:
https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/osama+nooh

I am not sure if these men are in fact the Saudi hijackers. But you can see the reported address is the same anyway.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 13, 2017, 06:09:09 pm
Bayoumi told the 911 Commission he would travel to LA ever 2-3 months with an Italian-American podiatrist named 'Dr joe.'

I believe this could be Joseph A Averna, who is the first link in google for that information. I am surprised to find one of listed addresses for this man was 8451 Mount Vernon, Lemon Grove, the Shaikhs house.

In some stories the Shaikh claimed he only met Bayoumi in early 2000 at the SD Islamic Centre. In another version though he told the FBI he met Bayoumi in 1994 while teaching at America Commonwealth University. ACU was in fact a university run out of an office suite in northern San Diego (2801 Camino Del Rio S), so that doesnt make total sense either. Bayoumi was however a permanent student.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 16, 2017, 09:33:39 am
Nawaf and Khalid already had US visas in the Spring of 1999.
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In early 1999, Bin Ladin summoned KSM to Kandahar to tell him that his proposal to use aircraft as weapons now had al Qaeda’s full support... Hazmi and Mihdhar were both Saudi nationals—although Mihdhar was actually of Yemeni origin—and experienced mujahidin, having fought in Bosnia together. They were so eager to participate in attacks against the United States that they already held U.S. visas. - http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/staff_statement_16.pdf

How many times had they already visited the United States?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 16, 2017, 09:57:42 am
Who was KSM?
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A Kuwaiti from the Baluchistan region of Pakistan, KSM grew up in a religious family and claims to have joined the Muslim Brotherhood at the age of 16. After attending college in the United States, he went to Afghanistan to participate in the anti-Soviet jihad.

He joined the Muslim Brotherhood. He went to the US KSM was involved in multiple car accidents whilst in the US. Staging auto accidents is a hallmark of Islamic organised crime. Was KSM already involved in something at this time?

Quote
In December 1997, former CIA agent Robert Baer, newly retired from the CIA and working as a terrorism consultant, meets Hamad bin Jassim bin Hamad al Thani, who was Qatar’s minister of the economy and chief of police until he was deposed and exiled the year before, and whom he calls the “black prince.” Al Thani tells Baer that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) was being sheltered by then Qatari Interior Minister Abdallah bin Khalid al-Thani in 1996. However, the black prince knows other details, based on what Qatari police and intelligence learned when KSM was in the country. He says that KSM is chief of al-Qaeda’s terrorist operations. KSM was leading an al-Qaeda cell in Qatar together with Mohammed Shawqui Islambouli, the brother of the Egyptian who had killed Anwar Sadat. They also were linked to bomber Ramzi Yousef. But what worries the black prince is that KSM and Islambouli are experts in hijacking commercial planes. He tells Baer that KSM “is going to hijack some planes.”

Baer knew stuff. He knew bout the 9/11 plot in 1998.
Who do the Qatari's work for?
Al Jazeera is in Qatar. It is the new name for BBC Arabia. Osama bin Laden sends his video cassettes in a jiffy bag to Al Jazeera and Al Jazeera airs them around the world for him, multiplying his message. AL Jazeera's website is hosted from the USA (Infocom, HLF.)

The people who host it are connected to Omar al Bayoumi
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The FBI determined that al-Bayoumi was in contact with several individuals under FBI investigation and with the Holy Land Foundation,

When Moussaoui entered the US he came as a business representative of Infocus Tech of Malaysia, Yazid Suufat's company. Infocus tech only had one US distributor, IEX. IEX are in the same Dallas suburb as Infocom/HLF, who host Al Jazeeras website. HLF will become the largest terrorism trial in American history. According to IEX's history the company helped build the ground station infrastructure for the GTE airfone system. This system was used to make telephone calls on 9/11.

Airfone was an air-ground radiotelephone service developed by MCI WorldCom founder John D. Goeken, and operated under the names Airfone, GTE Airfone and Verizon. Airfone allowed passengers to make and recieve telephone calls in-flight.
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The first iteration of Airfone service only permitted air-to-ground calls and frequently dropped calls. A new generation dubbed GenStar was developed jointly by GTE and IEX Corp. in 1992. IEX developed the software, which ran on hardware built by Stratus Computers. GenStar introduced the capacity for airborne nodes to also receive calls, and for connections to be handed over between ground cells as the aircraft moved through them, reducing dropped calls. Handsets also gained screens and jacks for fax transmissions
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 16, 2017, 10:24:37 am
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Bin Ladin quickly provided KSM with four potential suicide operatives: Nawaf al Hazmi, Khalid al Mihdhar, Walid Muhammad Salih bin Attash, also known as Khallad, and Abu Bara al Taizi. Khallad and Abu Bara, being Yemeni nationals, would have trouble getting U.S. visas compared to Saudis. Therefore, KSM decided to split the operation into two parts. Hazmi and Mihdhar would go to the United States, and the Yemeni operatives would go to Southeast Asia to carry out a smaller version of the Bojinka plot.

Following the training, all four operatives for the operation traveled to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Khallad and Abu Bara were directed to study airport security and conduct surveillance on U.S. carriers, and Hazmi and Mihdhar were to switch passports in Kuala Lumpur before going on to the United States. Khallad—who traveled to Kuala Lumpur ahead of Hazmi and Mihdhar—attended a prosthesis clinic in Kuala Lumpur. He then flew to Hong Kong aboard a U.S. airliner and was able to carry a box cutter, concealed in his toiletries bag, onto the flight. He returned to Kuala Lumpur, where Hazmi and Mihdhar arrived during the first week in January 2000.

Khallad had his meetings in Bangkok and returned to Kandahar. Khallad and Abu Bara would not take part in a planes operation

Here we see the presence of four men. Khallad bin Attash's movements are alluded to but it is implied he did not travel to the US because he was a Yemeni and would "have trouble" getting a a visa. But we know the FBI had suggested he did indeed travel to LAX (and did so on the night of a thwarted planned attack against LAX by AL Qaeda 12/31/99.) So if he did what about Abu Bara al Taizi? His movements are not mentioned.
History commons seems to suggest his name was also Zohair Mohammed Said.

There was of course the matter of the Yemeni national and the mysterious hotel Subpoena.
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SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation

ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and

The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.
https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

I think I know who could be the name on the mastercard holding the room for Hazmi and Mihdhar/ AKA Abdullah and Abdallah....Benomrane describes "a yemeni" a few times in his interview, and the Yemeni knows more....

"He went on to describe a Yemeni, who was unknown to him, who was supposed to shepaerd around the 2 young Saudis before Benomrane met them."

Again the named similarity and the circumstance would make this guy Zohair Said a possibility for that. Although i think it is more likely to be Aulaqi.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 16, 2017, 03:16:06 pm
i found this document really interesting. It appears to be a Saudi take on the 29 Pages
-  https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/saudi-28-pages-analysis.pdf
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 16, 2017, 03:33:13 pm
I have found that Aafia Siddiqui is connected to this organisation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Barakat
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 16, 2017, 04:01:00 pm
In November 2002, Adel al Jubeir, then Foreign Affairs advisor to the Royal Court, acknowledged the situation by stating: “People have now taken advantage of our charity, of our generosity, of our naivety, if you want to call it that, of our innocence”

Yes they are just innocent. Those poor Saud. Just dont ask them about their Swiss bank accounts.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 17, 2017, 12:54:00 pm
In November 2002, Adel al Jubeir, then Foreign Affairs advisor to the Royal Court, acknowledged the situation by stating: “People have now taken advantage of our charity, of our generosity, of our naivety, if you want to call it that, of our innocence”

Yes they are just innocent. Those poor Saud. Just dont ask them about their Swiss bank accounts.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950631001377
Report: Saudi Top Diplomat's wife Files for Divorce after Discovery of Jubeir Sexual Tendencies

TEHRAN (FNA)- Ex-wife of Saudi foreign minister started divorce proceedings in a British court, saying that her husband has Homosexual tendencies, reports by Kuwaiti media said.


The Kuwaiti newspaper, al-Qabas said in a report that Adel al-Jubeir, the 50-year-old Saudi Foerign minister has been enmeshed in yet another public disgrace by taking part in "obnoxious male parties in Thailand", Awd News reported.

Farah al-Fayez, 27, described the discovery of her husband's tendencies as her 'worst nightmare' and expressed her concerns about indisputable effects of collapse of the marriage on her four children, especially in the traditional society of Saudi Arabia.


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https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07RIYADH2320_a.html

From: Saudi Arabia Riyadh
Markings: -- Not Assigned --

To:
Central Intelligence Agency  | India New Delhi | National Security Council  | Pakistan Islamabad | Pakistan Karachi | Pakistan Lahore | Pakistan Peshawar | Saudi Arabia Jeddah | Secretary of State  | The Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf  | United States Central Command 
...
...
5.  (S) Al-Jubeir added that for the SAG, stability in Pakistan is an essential strategic matter. Since Pakistan
possesses both nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles, from the Saudi point of view, the policy choice to be made there  boils down to a drastic choice: "We can either support Musharraf and stability, or we can allow bin Laden to get the bomb, "he told the Charge'.


6.  (S) Comment: As a senior royal advisor who has worked for King Abdullah for eight years now, al-Jubeir's views
generally track very closely with those of the King.  It seems likely that King Abdullah, Prince Muqrin, and Prince
Saud al-Faisal will offer Musharraf pledges of strong support in their meetings today.  We note that the Saudis have an economic hold on Nawaz Sharif, sine he was reportedly the first non-Saudi to receive a special economic development loan from the SAG, with which to develop a business while were in exile.  We will report further information on these meetings as it develops.  End Comment.
GFOELLER
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 18, 2017, 08:07:57 am
2000: FBI Tells Clinton that Al-Qaeda Is Under surveillance

In the wake of disrupting Ahmed Ressam’s millennium bomb plot at the end of 1999 and arresting his cohorts, US intelligence remains concerned that al-Qaeda sleeper cells remain in the US. However, Clinton’s National Security Adviser Sandy Berger later claims that the FBI still repeatedly assures the Clinton White House that al-Qaeda lacks the ability to launch a domestic strike. He says, “Until the very end of our time in office, the view we received from the FBI was that al-Qaeda had limited capacity to operate in the US and any presence here was under surveillance.”
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 18, 2017, 09:43:31 am
Rudi Dekkers dad worked in Spain with ETA and was in fact murdered by them. This may be significant as evidence clearly suggests co-conspiracy between Al Qaeda fundraisers and ETA.

On June 3, 2001, a British newspaper reveals that Hamid Aich, who is on the FBI’s international wanted list, is living in Dublin where he is applying for asylum. Irish intelligence has been monitoring Aich’s movements since 1997, when authorities tied him to the mass murder of 77 tourists in Luxor, Egypt. He has since been linked to a number of militant groups. It is believed that between 1999 and 2001, Aich assisted 22 Islamic terrorist organizations, and even funded non-Islamic groups, for instance giving $200,000 to the ETA, a separatist group in the Basque region of Spain. Aich was also the director of Mercy International’s Ireland branch.

1999: Atta Said to Meet Los Angeles Airport Bomber in Spain
A Spanish newspaper later will claim that Ahmed Ressam, the al-Qaeda operative who attempted to bomb the Los Angeles airport at the turn of the millennium, meets Mohamed Atta in the Alicante region of Spain in this year. It is unclear whether the men trained at the same camp while they were in Afghanistan. According to other Spanish reports, in 1997 or 1998 Atta was a student in Valencia under an assumed name. Valenica is less than 100 miles from Alicante.

Atta would later travel to Tarragona, Catalonia. Catalonia being an ETA stronghold. An ETA terrorist campaign in Spain was very active in 2001.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 18, 2017, 04:37:28 pm
The FBI had identified the Ibn Tamiyah Mosque in Culver City as a site of extremist-related activity both before and after September 11. Based on interviews and review of FBI files, San Diego FBI agents believed at the time that certain subjects were laundering money through this mosque first to Somali non-profit organizations and then to other entities affiliated with Usama Bin Ladin.

In approximately 1998, the FBI became aware of millions of dollars in wire transfers from the Somali community in San Diego to Al Barakaat Trading Company and other businesses affiliated with Usama Bin Ladin. At the time, the funding appeared to be originating from the local Somali community in the form of donations to various Somali non-profits. However, the FBI now believes that the some of the funding actually originated from Saudi Arabia and that both the Ibn Tamiyah Mosque in Los Angeles and the Islamic Center of San Diego were involved in laundering the money.

According to the former FBI agent in San Diego who was involved in this investigation, this scheme may allow the Saudi Government to provide al-Qa’ida with funding through covert or indirect means.

^
It is also worth mentioning that the Kurdish mosque Bayoumi was installed in was built with Saudi money and that I believe this same islamic centre actually donated money to the same Somali groups referenced here.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on January 24, 2017, 08:44:38 am
A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline. The document was obtained by the FBI but was not allowed to be shared with other agencies in order to protect Enron. Multiple sources confirm that American law enforcement agencies were deliberately kept in the dark and systematically prevented from connecting the dots before 9/11 in order to aid Enron’s secret and immoral Taliban negotiations.

The first block came in the 1970’s, as a result of Congressional reaction to domestic espionage against the anti-Vietnam war movement. In a case of blatant over-reaction, the FBI placed all houses of worship and religious charities off-limits for any surveillance whatsoever unless there was independent probable cause. This meant that all Mosques and other Muslim meeting places for terrorist groups were effectively off limits until after a crime had been committed. The block order was not lifted until last week by Atty. General Ashcroft.

The second block order, in force since the 1980’s, was against any investigation that would embarrass the Saudi Royal family. Originally, it was designed to conceal Saudi support for Muslim extremists fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan and Chechnya, but it went too far. Oliver North noted in his autobiography, that every time he tried to do something about terrorism links in the Middle East, he was told to stop because it might embarrass the Saudis. This block remains in place.

As the combined result of these two blocks, the Saudis were able to fund middle eastern terrorists in complete secrecy during the 1990’s through a network of Muslim charities in Virginia, Tampa and Florida. The Saudi funding network was targeted at the destruction of the State of Israel and the obstruction of the Palestinian peace process.

In the early 1990’s, a consortium of American oil companies (lead by Unocal) had hired Enron to determine the profitability of building an oil and gas pipeline across Afghanistan so that America could have access to the Caspian Sea Basin, holding 1/8th of the worlds energy supplies.

There is no doubt that these secret negotiations existed, and that they were known to Al Qaida. Loftus recently received an FBI translation of a highly classified and encrypted Al Qaida document, circa 1997-1998, which was retrieved and decrypted from a computer laptop following the Embassy bombing in Africa. The document was written by Osama Bin Laden’s military commander, Mohammed Atef, under his nom de guerre, Abu Haf, and reveals extensive knowledge of the supposedly secret pipeline negotiations, and their potential economic worth to the Taliban, Pakistan and the U.S.

Former Afghanistan CIA agent Robert Baer has recently published a book charging that the cover-up of the 1990’s pipeline negotiations revealed extensive financial corruption inside the Clinton administration, and contributed to the lack of intelligence before 9/11. The Taliban negotiations temporarily collapsed in 1999 after Clinton reversed his NSC advisor’s policy, and ordered a missile strike against terrorists in Afghanistan.

However, in January 2001, Vice President Cheney allegedly reinstated the intelligence block and expanded it to effectively preclude any investigations whatsoever of Saudi-Taliban-Afghan oil connections. Former FBI counter-terrorism chief John O’Neil resigned from the FBI in disgust, stating that he was ordered not to investigate Saudi-Al Qaida connections because of the Enron pipeline deal. Loftus has confirmed that it was O’Neill who originally discovered the AL Qaida pipeline memo after the Embassy bombings in Africa.

Loftus asserts that the Enron block, which remained in force from January 2001 until August 2001 when the pipeline deal collapsed, is the reason that none of FBI agent Rowley’s requests for investigations were ever approved.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 06, 2017, 12:27:37 pm
The Sunday People, a London tabloid, is out with what it says is a true account of the local strip-club revels of Khalid al-Midhar, Nawaf Alhamzi, and Hani Hanjour, the three terrorist hijackers with San Diego connections. According to the paper, the trio "blew at least $15,000 of terrorist funds in dozens of strip bars in San Diego on America's West Coast.

The paper quotes two exotic dancers, Kerry and Monica, as saying the men told them they were pilots with Royal Saudi Airlines.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2001/sep/27/terror-party/
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 18, 2017, 12:45:31 pm
In case this gets lost:

Quote from: TahoeBlue on February 17, 2017, 11:51:27 AM (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=319002.msg1620469#msg1620469)


http://www.journalof911studies.com/resources/2014GanserVol39May.pdf
..
The Strategy of Tension It is probably fair to say that of the roughly seven billion people who live on our planet today, far less than one percent has ever heard of the “strategy of tension.” And only a very few of these could illustrate the strategy with specific historical examples
...

In its essence, the strategy of tension targets the emotions of human beings and aims to spread maximum fear among the target group. “Tension” refers to emotional distress and psychological fear, whereas “strategy” refers to the technique of bringing about such distress and fear. A terrorist attack in a public place, such as a railway station, a market place, or a school bus, is the typical technique through which the strategy of tension is implemented. After the attack --- and this is a crucial element — the secret agents who carried out the crime blame it on a political opponent by removing and planting evidence.
...
The strategy of tension forms part of what is called “psychological warfare” or PSYWAR. As the term indicates, this form of warfare does not attack human bodies, tanks, planes, ships, satellites, and houses in order to destroy them, but human psyches, human minds
...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2DeduiHeWU
The Strategy of Tension

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbLftrLCx_g
Counter Intelligence III: The Strategy of Tension (Full Length Documentary)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgsdzeP1vkU
A Strategy of Tension - [Divide, Manipulate, Control]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0uNVEB40os
Frank Lowy, The Other 9/11 Mass Murderer & Pal Of Larry Silverstein

FOX News Just Went Globalist – Threw Trump Under the Bus

Rubert a globalist ? how COULD THAT BE?

The young Keith Rupert was educated at Australia’s fashionable Geelong private school, and went on to the elitist and aristocratic Oxford University in England, according to Candour (UK) magazine.

Rupert’s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian  society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife’s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio  station in a faraway mining town,” Candour wrote in 1984. “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.”


http://www.aim.org/aim-column/scandal-rocks-fox-news-over-saudi-terror-link/
(http://www.aim.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/murdoch-d880efd2807c2b5cf279e8fcc454cfc44673daad-s800-c15.jpg)
Scandal Rocks Fox News Over Saudi Terror Link

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/03/04/saudi-influence-peddling-and-why-fox-news-has-gone-all-soft-on-islam/
(http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/AbuDhabiMediaSummitohzXg4mfIl.jpg)

9/11 connection:
http://incogman.net/2013/10/fox-news-rupert-murdoch-is-a-crypto-jew/
,...
Murdoch and the Czechoslovakian-born Israeli commando Frank Lowy, a former fighter in Israel’s Golani Brigade, who emigrated to Australia in the 1950s, have had a long friendship, which Murdoch recounted during an American Australian Association fund-raising dinner in honor of Frank’s son, Peter S. Lowy, in New York on November 20, 2002. Larry Silverstein and his wife also attended the American Australian event.

Some reporters refer to the American Australian Association, whose membership includes James Wolfensohn, the president of the World Bank, who raised cash for Rupert Murdoch when he first expanded into the United States, as “the kangaroo mafia.”

“Frank was a brave and determined fighter,” Rafi Kocer, Lowy’s former commander, said. Lowy has donated some $350,000 to build a memorial museum in Israel for his former brigade.

Today, Lowy and his three sons control Westfield Corporation, one of the largest operators of shopping centers in the United States – and the world.

 Insured Against Terrorist Attacks

On September 12, 2001, The Jerusalem Post reported: “Frank Lowy, who emigrated  to Australia from Israel in 1952, owns the 99-year lease for the 425,000 square  foot retail portion of the destroyed World Trade Center…Westfield said today  that it has insurance cover against terrorist attacks and its earnings will not  be materially affected.”

Lowy, is described by the Sydney Morning Herald as “a self-made man with a  strong interest in the Holocaust and Israeli politics.”

http://m.dagospia.com/maglie-trump-e-la-nomina-chiave-dell-ambasciatore-in-israele-murdoch-obama-e-i-grandi-elettori-137852
(http://static.dagospia.com/img/foto/12-2016/barack-e-michelle-obama-con-rupert-murdoch-e-jerry-hall-858985.jpg)
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 18, 2017, 01:04:51 pm
The Blind Sheikh is no more
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 19, 2017, 03:20:26 pm
The Blind Sheikh is no more

Time can be justice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Abdel-Rahman
...

Abdel-Rahman was issued a tourist visa to visit the United States by the consul of the United States Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan, despite his name being listed on a U.S. State Department terrorist watch list.

Abdel-Rahman entered the United States in July 1990 via Saudi Arabia, Peshawar, and Sudan. The State Department revoked his tourist visa on 17 November.[11] Despite this, in April 1991, he obtained a green card from the Immigration and Naturalization Service office in Newark, New Jersey. After leaving the U.S. to go on an overseas trip, he tried to re-enter the U.S. in August 1991. At that point, U.S. officials recognized that he was on the lookout list, and began the procedure to revoke his permanent resident status. The U.S. government still allowed him to enter the country, as he had the right to appeal the decision to revoke his residency status. Abdel-Rahman failed to appeal the decision, and on 6 March 1992, the U.S. government revoked his green card. He then requested political asylum. A hearing on that matter was held on 20 January 1993.[12] It was later revealed that Abdel-Rahman was given most of his visa approvals by the CIA.[13]

Egyptian officials have testified that the CIA was actively assisting him in entering the US.[14]

Abdel-Rahman traveled widely in the United States and Canada. Despite U.S. support for the mujahideen in Afghanistan, Abdel-Rahman was deeply anti-American, and spoke out against the country. He issued a fatwa in the US that declared it lawful to rob banks and kill Jews in the US. His sermons condemned Americans as the "descendants of apes and pigs who have been feeding from the dining tables of the Zionists, Communists, and colonialists".[15] He called on Muslims to assail the West, "cut the transportation of their countries, tear it apart, destroy their economy, burn their companies, eliminate their interests, sink their ships, shoot down their planes, kill them on the sea, air, or land".[16]

Preaching at three mosques in the New York City area, Abdel-Rahman was soon surrounded by a core group of devoted followers that included persons who would soon be responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which took place five weeks into the Bill Clinton administration. One of Abdel-Rahman's followers, El Sayyid Nosair, was linked to the 1990 Manhattan assassination of Israeli nationalist Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defense League.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/blind-sheik-omar-abdel-rahman-linked-1993-wtc-attack-dies-article-1.2976140
Blind sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, mastermind of 1993 World Trade Center bombing, dies at 78
BY Rich Schapiro
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Sunday, February 19, 2017, 12:54 AM

Omar Abdel-Rahman, the blind sheik who masterminded the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, died Saturday at a North Carolina prison hospital, officials said.

The 78-year-old Egyptian cleric passed away of natural causes inside the Federal Medical Center in Butner about 5:40 a.m., officials said.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 19, 2017, 06:41:04 pm
^ http://news.intelwire.com/2007/06/us-secretly-met-with-followers-of-blind.html

Evidence for something

Also, it says: "Rahman also traveled to the United States in 1988 to speak a conference, the member said. The "blind sheikh" traveled to the U.S. yearly, the member said, on trips supported by Saudi Arabia."

The visas were issued in Sudan, not Egypt. Bin Laden was in Sudan at the time (?). The Blind Sheikhs living costs in the US were covered by Osama bin Laden. (FBI discovered this in Day of Terror plot investigation)

Osama had a man inside the Pentagon who funnelled the money to the Blind Sheikh. (This is also evidence of US coconspiracy).

This evidence suggests US-Saudi-Bin Laden-Blind Sheikh coconspiracy in some project. This was post Afghanistan.

Ali Mohamed working at Fort Bragg and showing up at Al Kifah is just a further part of it.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 19, 2017, 10:00:21 pm
http://www.mintpressnews.com/911-larry-silverstein-designed-new-wtc-7-one-year-attacks/214821/

9/11: Larry Silverstein Designed New WTC-7 One Year Before Attacks

Larry Silverstein was caught admitting on camera that he planned to build an entirely new World Trade Center 7 (WTC-7) building one year before the 9/11 attacks had occurred.
By Sean Adl-Tabatabai | Your News Wire | March 16, 2016

Back in April 2000, one year and five months before the attacks, “Lucky Larry” held a meeting to discuss plans to replace building 7 in 2002.  As reported by Veterans Today:

“We got the designs.  And the first design meeting was in April of 2000. And construction began shortly thereafter, in 2002.”

Watch Larry Silverstein – New WTC7 designed in 2000:

https://youtu.be/j-_WYHwUtcI

One slight problem: If he hadn’t been planning the illegal, un-permitted, homicidal demolitions of WTC-7 and the entire World Trade Center complex that took place on September 11th, 2001, there would have been no point to any such design meeting back in April, 2000 … and no opportunity for beginning construction of a new WTC-7 in 2002.
...

In 2001, “Lucky Larry,” who had previously owned only WTC-7, orchestrated a deal with his fellow-ultra-Zionist Lewis Eisenberg, Chairman of the mobbed-up NY Port Authority, and another Zionist extremist billionaire, Frank Lowy, to sell the entire WTC complex to Silverstein and backers on a 100-year lease. The deal was finalized in July, 2001, and Larry took possession of the buildings … and security arrangements. But first, he hard-balled his insurers into doubling the terror insurance coverage and changing the terms to “instant cash payout.”

On September 11th, Larry hit the jackpot. The condemned-for-asbestos and largely vacant Twin Towers, with their obsolete communications infrastructure and money-hemorrhaging balance sheet, were both demolished for free – with 3,000 people inside.
...
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 20, 2017, 05:40:41 am
Rahman was one of many Al Qaeda religious leaders to find sanctuary in the US. Ayman Zawahiri and Anwar Haddam both transited the US. In Haddams case also working with CIA. Moussa Marzook and KSM also moved through the US at various times. Bin Laden himself was there and stories persist about other visits, such as one to coincide with first WTC attack.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 20, 2017, 05:49:10 am
Here is the true history of Al Qaeda::
there is little dispute about this now, unlike what happenned to the buildings

Fake "charity" organizations were set up for recruitment and training. One of the main ones was called The Al Kifah Refugee Center. Private donations and charities were also set up including Maktab al-Khidamat aka Mak, and later aka Al Qaeda.

These were also the beginnings of the Brooklyn "terrorist" cell that was responsible for the first WTC bombing in 1993.

The Al Kifah Refugee Center is a charity that was active in the United States The charity was based in Brooklyn, and Tucson Arizona.

According to Cooperative Research the center had clandestine links to forces fighting in Afghanistan dating to the late 1980s, when the fighters enjoyed American support in their struggle against the Soviet occupiers. They assert that funds raised in the USA were covertly sent to Maktab al-Khidamat, an organization they say Osama bin Laden was later to transform into AL Qaeda.

The Maktab al-Khidamat, also Maktab Khadamāt al-Mujāhidīn al-'Arab, also known as the Afghan Services Bureau, is reliably believed to have been founded in 1984 by Abdullah Azzam and Osama bin Laden to raise funds and recruit foreign mujahidin for the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. MAK became the forerunner to al-Qaeda and was instrumental in creating the fundraising and recruitment network that benefited al-Qaeda during the 1990s.

The Al Kifah Centre in Brooklyn was originally operated by Mustafa Shalabi, a close associate of MAK’s co-founder Abdullah Azzam. Interestingly enough once the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan both of these leaders Mustafa Shalabi of the Al Kifah Centre and Abdullah Azzam of the MAK were both assassinated

On 02/25/1991, Mustafa  Shalabi was mysteriously murdered in the underground parking of the World Trade center. Mustafa  Shalabi’s body was found in his car only on 03/01/1991. He had been shot and stabbed multiple times and $100,000 was stolen from his car. The murder was filmed by the security cameras.

Jamal al-Fadl, a founding member of al-Qaeda and future FBI informant, also works at the Al-Kifah Refugee Center in its early days. al-Fadl first reveals the existence of Al Qaeda to the world in a 2000 southern district prosecution of the 1998 Embassy bombing plot. Al Kifah out of UK, US and Pakistan was behind this attack.

The CIA has some murky connection to Al-Kifah that has yet to be fully explained. Newsweek will later say the Brooklyn office “doubled as a recruiting post for the CIA seeking to steer fresh troops to the mujaheddin” fighting in Afghanistan.

The Brooklyn office also raises a considerable amount of money for MAK/Al-Kifah back in Pakistan. The Independent will later call the office “a place of pivotal importance to Operation Cyclone,
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 23, 2017, 09:09:13 am
The earliest roots of the Benevolence International Foundation (BIF) date back to 1987, when Sheik Abdel Abdul Jalil Batterjee established Lajnat al-Birr al-Islamiah (the Islamic Benevolence Committee, or IBC), with offices in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The nascent IBC's purpose was twofold: (a) to supply weapons and funds to the mujahideen who, at that time, were battling the Russian military in Afghanistan, and (b) to facilitate the immigration of jihadists into that conflict zone. In 1992, IBC merged with a Philippine-based group known as Benevolence International, which had been formed by Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law Mohammed Jamal Khalifa. The new entity, known as BIF, was incorporated as a tax-exempt nonprofit in Illinois on March 30, 1992. Its headquarters were set up in the town of Plantation, Florida by Adham Hassoun, a local Palestinian activist.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6416

Benevolence is tied to the WTC93 bombing, the OKC bombing and 9/11

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Sunbiz lists the registered directors:

HASSOUN, ADHAM
150 S. UNIVERSITY DRIVE
PLANTATION, FL 33324

Officer/Director Detail

BATTERJEE, ADEL A
BATTERJEE, SHAHIR A
BAHARETH, MAZIN M
http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=BENEVOLENCEINTERNATIONALFOUNDA%20F930000006480&aggregateId=fornp-f93000000648-13078373-7d8b-4316-997e-94cc5b93e20f&searchTerm=benevolence&listNameOrder=BENEVOLENCE%20P100000451880 (http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=BENEVOLENCEINTERNATIONALFOUNDA%20F930000006480&aggregateId=fornp-f93000000648-13078373-7d8b-4316-997e-94cc5b93e20f&searchTerm=benevolence&listNameOrder=BENEVOLENCE%20P100000451880)

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The same names later appear linked to Atta

Charity founders tied to Hamburg terror suspects, November 03, 2002.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2002-11-03/news/0211030278_1_al-qaeda-hijackers-saudi-arabia/2

The overlap between the Hamburg firm and Benevolence International Foundation surfaced during an investigation of what one source termed "the second layer" of terrorism in Hamburg, the suspected financial and logistical support of radical Islamic organizations.

Investigators probing beneath that surface for what they believe may be a deeper and broader terrorist infrastructure are encountering entities such as Triple-B Trading GmbH, a self-described import-export concern that does no apparent business and is headquartered in the tiny village of Rethwisch, about 60 miles from Hamburg's bustling port.

U.S. prosecutors say they have "an archive of incriminating documents" linking Benevolence International directly to Osama bin Laden and his terrorist organization, Al Qaeda, which was responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.

An FBI affidavit filed in the Benevolence case describes Adel Batterjee, believed to be a first cousin of Shahir's, as "a wealthy Saudi Arabian national" who was "involved with the mujahedeen in Afghanistan" and is a personal associate of bin Laden. Arnaout's conversations as captured by FBI wiretaps indicate that he and Adel Batterjee were in close contact.

The third Triple-B partner, Hassan Bahfzallah, oversaw Benevolence's operations in Saudi Arabia in the early 1990s and is listed as an official of three Islamic groups in northern Virginia that were raided last March by federal agents probing alleged ties to Al Qaeda.

Reached by telephone in Saudi Arabia, Shahir Batterjee refused to discuss the activities or purpose of Triple-B Trading. "I don't answer questions on the phone," he said repeatedly before hanging up.

Public records identify the single employee of Triple-B as its managing director, Abdul-Matin Tatari, a 60-year-old Syrian-born exporter of clothing and other items who has recently fallen under a cloud of suspicion with regard to Sept. 11.

Investigators also say Atta himself worked for a time at Tatex, which Tatari vehemently denies. But Tatari admits that one of his sons signed Atta's petition to establish an Islamic "study group" at Hamburg's Technical University that served as a rendezvous for the hijackers and their supporters.

The son, Mohammed Hady Tatari, also is close to another former Hamburg student, Mounir El Motassadeq, who currently is on trial in Hamburg, charged with providing the hijackers material support.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 23, 2017, 09:29:33 am
In addition to the financial assistance he provided the al Qaeda's Hamburg cell for the 9/11 attacks, Darkazanli compiled one of the more intriguing dossiers you will read. Darkazanli was initially a member of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood (SMB), which was once staunchly opposed to the Assad family's regime and, in fact, sponsored by Saddam's government, among others. The Syrian government, however, went through a couple of phases of rapprochement with the SMB. And SMB elements abroad ended up working for or with Syrian intelligence on some occasions.

In all probability, Darkazanli and his fellow Syrian, Mohammed Zammar, who recruited lead 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta for al Qaeda, were both such SMB elements. They ran the al Qaeda Hamburg cell, but prior to that they worked for a company called Tatex Trading. Tatex Trading was run by Abdul Matin Tatari -- a longtime backer of the Assad family. Tatari's eldest son was actually close with Mohammed Atta. After 9/11, German investigators found that Mohammed Hadi Tatari often visited Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi (another 9/11 hijacker) in their Hamburg apartment. A younger Tatari son also signed one of Mohammed Atta's petitions calling for an "Islamic studies" group to be formed at the Technical University of Hamburg, where both Atta and the Tatari son attended.

It gets much worse. Tatex had only two shareholders. One of them was Mohamad Majed Said, who was the head of the Syrian intelligence service from 1987 to 1994. In 2001, Said was also a member of the Syrian National Security Council -- the government's chief security apparatus. All of this, and more, is why German intelligence officials have openly talked about "The Syrian Connection" to 9/11. There is nothing to worry about though. Just because an ally openly talks about a hostile government's involvement with al Qaeda, it doesn't mean we should take it seriously. Indeed, the 9/11 Commission went out of its way to ignore all of this. The Germans have refused to extradite him to Spain to stand trial for his involvement with the 3/11 Madrid train bombers and his other al Qaeda ties.

After being captured in Morocco, Zammar was transferred to the Syrians with the blessing of the Bush administration. Zammar's transfer to the Syrians is one of the more bizarre episodes in the war on terror because it ensured that American investigators would not have direct access to him. There is simply no way the Syrians are going to tell us what Zammar and Darkzanli were really doing while working for Tatex, or how they ended up working for a Syrian intelligence front company. One last thing:

According to German intelligence, Darkazanli -- again, who helped finance 9/11 -- was involved in illicit trade deals with the Iraqi regime under the oil-for-food program. Darkazanli shipped mercury heat lamps through a Jordanian intermediary to Saddam's government. Those lamps were so-called "dual use" items that had legitimate purposes but could also be used in WMD development projects. None of this appeared in tonight's show, but it was still worth watching.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-wanted-mamoun-darkazanli/article/239796
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 23, 2017, 12:50:12 pm
When Wadih el-Hage came to the US he married April Ray, a woman reported as a muslim convert. As i understand it April's brother was a John Ray who worked in US military intelligence, then became a gun dealer and supplier of arms to Makhtab Al Kidamat through Wadih el Hage. Hage was the personal assistant to Osama bin Laden and was known as 'the manager' inside Al Qaeda.

It seems possible the US military had eyes and ears inside Al Qaeda from the get go.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 23, 2017, 01:04:44 pm
Anybody able to clear up the murder of Mustafa Shalabi. Where it took place. What really happenned.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on February 23, 2017, 01:56:23 pm
Quote
But as the Sept. 11 investigations on both sides of the Atlantic have progressed, more links have emerged between Darkazanli and al-Qaida. One is the disclosure that Darkazanli received at least $16,000 from Mohamed Kaleb Kalaje Zouaydi, a wealthy Spanish-Syrian arrested in Madrid in April and accused of funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars to al-Qaida and other radical Islamic organizations. - Chicago Tribune

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Zouaydi

In Saudi Arabia he was known as accountant for the al-Faisal branch of the Saudi royal family, which included Prince Turki al-Faisal.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 02, 2017, 05:37:15 pm
Saleh al-Hussayen was in the same hotel as the terrorists on the night before 911. Someone from the FBI was on the ball and knocked on his door to interview him soon after the attacks. He refused to be interviewed and they had to speak to him through his wife. He was flown out the country on the famous Saudi flight soon afterward.

He had some sort of relative, possibly a nephew, named Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, in Idaho. This man ran an Al Qaeda website which ran calls for commando suicide operations in the summer of 2001. A background check on this man revealed an address in Richardson Texas, home of the Holy Land Foundation.

An early name for Al Qaeda was Makhtab al-Kidamat. It had two famous offices in the US, one was in Tucson Az. Part of the Tucson office was called Al-Bunyan Islamic Information Centre. One of the WTC93 conspirators, for example, possessed false identity papers from this place.

The two names on the 1989 incorporation documents for Al-Bunyan are Wadih el-Hage and Aiman Nakhal. A background check on Nakhal reveals an address in Richardson as well.

A review of these two peoples Richardson addresses reveals connections between them.

Is al-Hussayen part of Al Qaeda? Why was he flown out of the US with urgency?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 03, 2017, 06:57:21 am
RIYADH, Sept 8 2002: Confusion prevailed here on the issue of Wael Hamza Julaidan who was implicated last Friday by the US State Department of having links with the Al Qaeda network of Osama Bin Laden.

Saudi Interior Minister Prince Naif bin Abdul Aziz has insisted that the US produce convincing evidence of the alleged links between Al Qaeda and the Saudi human aid worker turned businessman.

“Those who make this accusation should provide convincing evidence,” Prince Naif told the press here when asked about Friday’s US decision to freeze Julaidan’s assets.

On Friday the US Treasury Department said, “Today the United States and Saudi Arabia jointly designated Wael Hamza Julaidan, an associate of Osama Bin Laden and a supporter of Al Qaeda terror. Consequently his assets were frozen.”

Commenting on the subject Prince Naif said, “Our cooperation with other countries will be on the basis of facts, with regard to arrest of individuals or freezing of their assets.” Prince Naif reiterated Riyadh’s commitment to implement UN resolution that calls for freezing the assets of terror suspects.

Earlier Prince Nawaf, the Saudi intelligence chief expressed his surprise at the US decision.

“I hope the report is untrue because it would be unfortunate if a Saudi businessman was assisting and funding terrorism,” the Saudi intelligence chief told the Okaz daily.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 03, 2017, 08:29:14 am
15. In or about October 1993,JAYYOUSI opened a bank account in the name of the "Islamic Group."

17. On or about February 4, 1995, JA YYOUSI and DAHER discussed setting up a for- profit business to fund jihad, "[Tlhis business, the profit generated from this business will be for the brothers, I mean we have to support the mujahideen brother," and DAHER then described his organization, the Canadian Islamic Association, as a "cover, 1mean it's very good."

18. On or about March 2 1, 1995, HASSOUN participated in a coded conversation with JAYYOUSI and DAHER, in which HASSOUN stressed that "we have a number of people active in the field," and then stated, "All of us are in a chain, if one link of the chain is separated, the movement will not function," and that this concept is particularly important in the field of "tourism."

21. On or about August 2, 1995, HASSOUN caused to be issued a $5,000 check to the American Worldwide Relief Organization with the memo line stating, "for brothers."

39. On or about November 30, 1996, Unindicted Coconspirator #l, calling from Turkey, participated in a conversation with an individual in the United States, and told the individual to instruct HASSOUN not to talk over the phone about these matters, "not even in code . . . tourism and such."

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/588.pdf

I wonder who Unindicted Coconspirator l is.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 10, 2017, 08:48:55 am
FBI release of documents - related to its secret 2014-2015 9/11 Review Commission - contain about 1,000 pages that were declassified yet are shot through with blanked-out words, sentences, paragraphs, even entire pages.

On the other hand, a partially declassified Memorandum for the Record (MFR) regarding an April 23, 2014 FBI briefing about its 9/11 investigation mentions a startling request for information to the FBI that day:

“The commissioners requested a list of evidence that shows it was actually a plane that crashed into the Pentagon,” the memo says.

Why did the Meese Commission make such a curious request? Did the FBI provide such a list?

http://www.floridabulldog.org/2017/03/fbi-censored-documents-to-protect-privacy-of-accused-911-mastermind/
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 12, 2017, 07:19:10 am
There was a terror cell already in the area before the Blind Sheikh arrived:

Quote
The sheikh then moved entirely to the El Salaam Mosque in Jersey City. The
founder of the mosque is Sultan Ibraham El Gawli, a wealthy 55-year-old
Egyptian businessman who was convicted by a federal jury in July 1986 for
conspiring to export 150 pounds of C-4 plastic explosives to Israel for use
by the PLO in a Christmas bombing. El Gawli, who sports a full, white Santa
Claus beard, served 18 months in prison before returning to Jersey City.
He often marched in front of the courthouse during Nosair's trial, carrying
banners with fierce anti-Israel slogans. "It's no crime praying together,
is it?" El Gawli asked me when I questioned him about his friendship with
Nosair.

It was the infiltrator Mamdouh Zaki Zakhary who helped U.S. Customs set up
the sting operation that netted El Gawli. Zakhary , a frail man afflicted
with blindness in one eye and a large goiter on his neck, wore a wire into
El Galwi's office at a travel agency he owned, Sultan Travel, recording
five incriminating conversations.

"Sultan El Gawli was the brains behind the terror cell at the mosque," says
Zakhary . "There were lots of meetings in his office. He also got foreign
money from the PLO and Iran. Many times he entertained and was visited by
officials from Saudi Arabia, the PLO, and Iran."
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/cia-and-sheikh
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 12, 2017, 08:17:19 am
Quote
In Egypt, Abdel Rahman's name lives in infamy for his role in the October
6, 1981, assassination of Anwar Sadat, who was cut down in a hail of
grenade and automatic-weapons fire while he reviewed a military parade. In
1980, Abdel Rahman had issued a fatwa, or religious decree, that called
Sadat an infidel for turning his back on Islam and for making peace with
Israel. This made Sadat a prime target for assassination, an act eventually
executed by the operational arm of Abdel Rahman's organization, Al Gamaat
al Islamia, which had penetrated the Egyptian army and security services.

During a tumultuous trial in which the defendants publicly charged they had
been tortured by police interrogators, the sheikh was acquitted. The
sheikh, who continued to agitate against the Egyptian government while his
followers carried on a campaign of lethal bombings, was imprisoned for
three months in 1985, for one month in 1986, and for four months in 1989.
He finally left his homeland in 1990, saying, "It was too much for me."

After brief stays in Saudi Arabia and Iraq, the sheikh slipped into
Pakistan, where he forged operational links with mujahedeen strongman
Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the head of a radical Afghan Islamic fundamentalist
army that was being covertly backed by the CIA. According to Stephen Van
Evera, an affiliate of Harvard's Center for Science and International
Affairs, Hekmatyar "strongly chastised the United States and its 'immoral'
society, even while Washington lavished him with aid." In Hekmatyar's
guerrilla training camps, American advisers taught everything from using
explosives to shooting down enemy planes with shoulder-held Stinger
missiles.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 12, 2017, 08:27:29 am
Almost no information online about 'Sultan Ibraham El Gawli'
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 12, 2017, 11:50:11 am
Almost no information online about 'Sultan Ibraham El Gawli'


  Study of Revenge: The First World Trade Center Attack and Saddam Hussein's ...

Convicted ... He was released Oct 1990, [ 5 years of a possible 20 ! ] , a month before Kahane's assassination .  ( son of New York zionist rabbi )
 (https://books.google.com/books?id=K27SO6L3qP0C&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=Ibrahim+El+Gawli&source=bl&ots=QHbG2sE5Oi&sig=KIuT_4SioQFy7hOHOrJJoVN-3Qc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi16OLHttHSAhVGyGMKHXOcCn0Q6AEIMzAH#v=onepage&q=Ibrahim%20El%20Gawli&f=false)

yes: NYT 1985  ...


http://www.nytimes.com/1985/12/19/nyregion/jersey-city-travel-agent-is-seized-in-scheme-to-smuggle-explosives.html
JERSEY CITY TRAVEL AGENT IS SEIZED IN SCHEME TO SMUGGLE EXPLOSIVES
AP
Published: December 19, 1985

NEWARK, Dec. 18— The owner of a Jersey City travel agency was arrested today and charged with conspiring to smuggle 150 pounds of explosives to a member of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, a customs agent said.

The suspect, Sultan Ibrahim El Gawli, 47 years old, was arrested in Jersey City at 4 P.M. by United States customs agents.

He is scheduled to be arraigned in Federal court Thursday on charges of murder for hire, dealing in explosives without a license, exportation without a licence and the conspiracy charge, said a customs spokesman, Michael Kaufman.

Mr. Gawli is a naturalized United States citizen who was born in Egypt and now lives in Jersey City, where he operates the Sultan Travel Agency.

Two-Month Investigation

He is accused of attempting to purchase, 150 pounds of C-4 explosives, 100 blasting caps, remote electrical detonating devices with a 500-yard range and a gun with a silencer, according to Mr. Kaufman, who said that the arrest followed a two-month investigation.

According to Mr. Kaufman, the explosives and gun were to be smuggled to the Israeli-occupied West Bank and delivered to a co-conspirator, who ''represented himself as a P.L.O. representative.''

Mr. Gawli agreed to pay $25,000 for the explosives and $1,500 for the gun and silencer, but the goods did not change hands, according to Mr. Kaufman.


The C-4 explosive is manufactured in the United States basically for military purposes and looks like a gray clay, Mr. Kaufman said. #150-Pound Block The 150-pound block was a foot long, 2 inches wide and three-quarters of an inch thick, and easily transported, Mr. Kaufman said.

Mr. Kaufman said one of the co-conspirators planned to put the explosives in his luggage, take it on an airplane flight out of the United States and carry it to the West Bank.

A special customs agent, Art Stiffel, charged that the conspirators planned to have the explosive in Israel seven to 10 days before Christmas.

Mr. Gawli offered no resistance when arrested, Mr. Kaufman said. The suspect was being held Wednesday night at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City.

If convicted of the charges, the suspect would face a maximum of 20 years in prison and a $270,000 fine, Mr. Kaufman said.

http://www.jta.org/1990/11/15/archive/fbi-probing-arab-groups-for-ties-in-kahane-killing
Fbi Probing Arab Groups for Ties in Kahane Killing
November 15, 1990   

NEW YORK (Nov. 14)

The FBI reportedly is investigating whether Moslem groups had any involvement with the assassination of Rabbi Meir Kahane.

The accused assassin, El-Sayyid Nosair, 34, appeared for a hearing in Manhattan Criminal Court on Tuesday to assess progress in the case, which was continued pending an indictment hearing next Wednesday.
...

Although New York police say he acted alone, the FBI is investigating Moslem groups associated with the New Jersey mosque where Nosair worshiped, according to The New York Times.

CONTACTS WITH RADICAL GROUPS

One such group is the Egyptian-based Muslim Brotherhood, which has violently opposed the Egyptian government.

Nosair had contacts with such radical groups through the Masjid al-Salam mosque in Jersey City, N.J., the Times said.
...

The newspaper noted that one of the 300 to 400 worshippers at the mosque, Egyptian-born travel agent Sultan Ibrahim El Gawli, was once convicted of attempting to smuggle explosives and weaponry to the Palestine Liberation Organization for use in Israel.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 12, 2017, 02:05:19 pm
In mid-November 1992, Garrett Wilson, an FBI informant who sells military equipment and conducts paramilitary training, is contacted by someone named “Dr. Rashid.” Wilson had previously been contacted by Abu Ubaidah Yahya, the security chief at the Al-Kifah Refugee Center in Brooklyn, a charity front tied to both al-Qaeda and the CIA (see 1986-1993). Wilson’s FBI handlers are excited to learn about this because in June 1992, a “Dr. Rashid” had met with FBI informant Emad Salem and offered to supply bombs and guns (see Early July 1992). The FBI runs a background check and determines “Dr. Rashid” is really Clement Rodney Hampton-El, who works at a hospital in Long Island. The also learn from phone records that he has recently made calls to the “Blind Sheikh,” Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman.

The Yahya evidence

Abu Ubaidah Yahya is the security chief at the Al-Kifah Refugee Center in Brooklyn. He is an ex-US Marine connected to numerous figures in the 1993 WTC bombing. On December 20, 1992, FBI informant Garrett Wilson meets with Yahya and Hampton-El. They tell him that they want him to train eight to ten men for an "international jihad battalion."

After the 93 WTC bombing, the FBI investigators begin monitoring Clement Rodney Hampton-El’s house in New York as they close in on the militants involved in the “Landmarks” plot. They listen in on a call from Hampton-El’s right-hand man, Abu Ubaidah Yahya, as he is in Vienna, Austria. Yahya is there picking up money from the Third World Relief Agency (TWRA).

Over the next few months, Yahya is tracked as he makes several trips from the US to Vienna, picking up about $100,000. Hampton-El had also been in Vienna earlier in the year, picking up more money from TWRA for the militants in the US tied to the Landmarks plot. TWRA is funneling a huge amount of weapons to Muslim Bosnia in violation of a UN embargo but with the tacit approval of the US. It also has ties to radical militants like bin Laden and Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman. The Washington Post will later report that, “Intelligence agencies say they have tapes of telephone calls by Abdul-Rahman to TWRA’s office.” The “Landmarks” bombers are closely associated with Abdul-Rahman and will be convicted along with him.

So who runs TWRA?

Sudanese man Elfatih Hassanein is the director. By mid-1991, Bosnian President Izetbegovic contacts Hassanein, who he has known since the 1970s. The two men agree to turn TWRA from an obscure charity into what the Washington Post will later call “the chief broker of black-market weapons deals by Bosnia’s Muslim-led government and the agent of money and influence in Bosnia for Islamic movements and governments around the world.” A banker in Vienna will later call Hassanein the “bagman” for Izetbegovic. “If the Bosnian government said we need flour, he ran after flour. If they said we need weapons, he ran after weapons.”

The TWRA is controlled by a committee composed of Hassanein and:
*Hasan Cengic.
*Irfan Ljevakovic.
*Husein Zivalj.
*Dervis Djurdjevic.

All of them are important members of Izetbegovic’s SDA party, and all but Ljevakovic were codefendants with Izetbegovic in an old 1983 trial.

Hasan Čengić is the former Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. He is a member of a powerful clan headed by his father, Halid Čengić, the main logistics expert in the Bosnian Army and a senior official in Bosnia's intelligence agency.

The Saudi Connection

A United Nations-sponsored investigation also determined Crown Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, “transferred in excess of $120 million from his personal accounts and Saudi High Commission accounts under his control to the Third World Relief Agency (TWRA)” from July 1992 to July 1995, the pleading says.

The 9/11 Commission identified Third World Relief as an al Qaeda front and pipeline for illegal arms shipments to al Qaeda fighters in the Balkans.

“The U.N. sponsored audit of the TWRA’s records suggested that the SHC’s lavish funding of TWRA commenced shortly after a personal meeting between Prince Salman and the head of the TWRA.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 12, 2017, 06:06:12 pm
This indictment of KSM mentions that Khalid bin Attash was in the air travelling around Dec31st, the day the FBI says he arrived at LAX. It also says he was teaching a false identity technique to conceal travel (16).

Quote
15. In or about December 1999, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed directed Bin Attash to conduct a casing mission in support of the Planes Operation.KSM gave Bin 'Attash a razor knife to secrete on his person while traveling in order to assess airline security measures. Khallad Bin Attash carried this knife on flights to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Bangkok, Thailand, and Hong Kong. On these flights, Khallad Bin Attash collected information on United States air carriers, such as the number of passengers on the flights that were in first class, business class, and economy class.

16. In or about December 1999, Khallad Bin 'Attash devised a scheme in order to assist Nawaf al Hazmi (AA #77) in traveling to the United States. In order to hide al Hazmi's previous travel to Pakistan, Khallad Bin Attash directed al Hazmi to purchase two different tickets for travel to Malaysia, one using a fraudulently-issued Yemeni passport, which masked his travel to Pakistan and Afghanistan on Hazmi's valid Saudi passport.

http://media.npr.org/documents/2012/may/referredcharges040412.pdf

It then describes his travel, supposedly under an alias:

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17. On or about December 30, 1999, Khallad Bin 'Attash (using the aliias Salah Saeed Mohammed BinYousaf), traveled from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Thailand, via Malaysia Airlines Flight #782 and stayed at the JW Marriott, five star hotel in Bangkok.

18. On or about December 31,1999, Khallad Bin 'Attash (using the Salah Saeed Mohammed Yusuf) traveled as a first-class passenger from Bangkok, Thailand, to Hong Kong, China, via United Airlines Flight #2 to conduct surveillance on airline security and collect information regarding air carriers for flights in Southeast Asia.

19. On or about January 1,2000, Khallad Bin 'Attash (using the aliasI Salah Saeed Mohammed Yusuf), traveled as a first-class passenger from Hong Kong, China, to Bangkok, Thailand, via United Airlines Flight #1 to conduct surveillance onlairline security and collect information regarding air carriers for flights in Southeast Asia

http://media.npr.org/documents/2012/may/referredcharges040412.pdf

If it is true that Khallad bin Attash came to the US on December 31st 1999, as an FBI document suggests, then somebody has gone to major lengths to cover it up.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 15, 2017, 11:49:44 am
Third World Relief Agency had an office in Prague  -  http://rejstrik-firem.kurzy.cz/27041514/twra-third-world-relief-agency/

Didnt Mohamed Atta visit Prague?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 15, 2017, 12:06:28 pm
The Slobodna Bosna newspaper has argued that Čengić of TWRA is the business partner of Russian mobster, arms dealer and former KGB officer Viktor Bout, nicknamed "the Merchant of Death". In May 2006, when 200,000 AK-47 assault rifles went missing in transit from Bosnia to Iraq, one of Bout's airlines was the carrier.

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With guns, planes and money, Viktor Bout was allowed to fuel almost every major conflict of the past 15 years - until two journalists from the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times got on his tail. Within three months of their expose, Bout was busted in a Bangkok hotel. Here they reveal how he was caught and the collusion of Britain, the US and the UN that kept him in business for so long

Bout relied on a stack of passports and aliases, ran a shape-shifting corporation that employed scores of pilots and mechanics at his air hub in Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates and was sheltered by the influence of oligarchs and intelligence officials back  in Moscow.

ussian Ilyushin Il-76 and Antonov An-24 cargo planes began arriving with pallets piled with food, medical supplies and plastic sheeting. The planes were easily identified by the UN World Food Programme (WFP) logos on their tails. Piloted by veteran Ukrainian crews, they flew in day after day, ferrying tons of emergency staples for tens of thousands of refugees.
As he stood on the boiling Tarmac, the American found himself watching one of the mammoth Il-76s creak downward for a rocky landing. Having ground to a halt, the freighter lowered its rear door and the food parcels were offloaded. Oddly, the crew members brought out a ladder, set it against the tail, climbed up and removed a UN logo that gave the plane its official protection. The startled American continued watching as the crewmen then began loading the Ilyushin with crates of weapons.
‘I didn’t know those tail markings were magnetic, but I guess they were,’ recalled the official, who still works for the US Government. ‘Then guys in uniforms were moving quickly, taking good old-fashioned crates of AK-47s and ammunition on to it. When it was loaded up, it just took off. We don’t know where it went.’ The entire turnaround time was less than an hour.

Reporting the strange events at the airfield back to his superiors, the American soon learned that the plane – and its cargo of weapons – belonged to Viktor Bout. The Ilyushin had flown the food supplies into Kisangani under official UN auspices – and left with a load of weapons destined for parts unknown, most likely delivered to Rwandan troops on another battle front.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1017812/Bang-rights-Busting-worlds-biggest-gun-runner.html
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 16, 2017, 11:18:16 am
Wolfowitz, CIA link to terror

Was Operation Greenquest shut down by powerful forces who had a lot to lose? Consider this.

While at the World Bank Rumsfeld entered into a relationship with a woman of Libyan/Syrian extraction, named Shaha Riza.

When Wolfowitz was considered for head of the CIA after the 2000 election, Clare Wolfowitz wrote President-elect George Bush a letter telling him that her husband's relationship with a foreign national—Riza—posed a national security risk.

In 2006 a man named Anwar Ibrahim, a friend of Wolfowitz and powerful Malaysian politician who had been convicted of sodomy, specifically requested Riza to come and run an organisation called 'Foundation for the Future.' The request letter gave a phone number 703-464-5161 that resolves to 585 Grove St Herndon VA 20170.

This is the building next door to the 555 Grove street address which was at the centre of the post 9/11 terrorism financing investigation, as well as the central focus of the Operation Greenquest raids.

There were allegations at the time of a coverup in the Greenquest investigation.
Quote
Some ICE agents reported to us highly negative views and significant misinformation about JTTF handling of terrorist financing cases under the MOA. In our interviews ICE agents told us that:
• The FBI-led JTTF does not actively pursue terrorist financing cases that transfer to the JTTF 
https://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/Mgmt/OIG_07-55_Jul07.pdf

The US deputy secretary of defence was one of the original architects of the war to overthrow Saddam Hussein and an enthusiastic advocate of spreading democracy.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 16, 2017, 11:34:37 am
Riza's previous husband is Turkish, Bulent Aliriza is the founding director of the Turkey Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington, DC.

After they moved to America, Shaha worked for the Iraq Foundation, set up by expatriates to overthrow Saddam Hussein after the first Gulf War. She subsequently joined the National Endowment for Democracy.

Bulent Riza said Shaha started to "talk to Paul" about reforming the Middle East.

Sibel Edmonds
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EDMONDS: They had arrangements with various companies, some of them members of the American Turkish Council.

The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country. The UK would take the south, the rest would go to the U.S. They were negotiating what Turkey required in exchange for allowing an attack from Turkish soil. The Turks were very supportive, but wanted a three-part division of Iraq to include their own occupation of the Kurdish region. The three Defense Department officials said that would be more than they could agree to, but they continued daily communications to the ambassador and his defense attaché in an attempt to convince them to help.

Nothing was decided, and then 9/11 took place.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whos-afraid-of-sibel-edmonds/
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 16, 2017, 11:39:08 am
"While at the World Bank Rumsfeld entered into a relationship..."

Obviously i mean Wolfowitz. I am sorry, I get the two mixed up
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 16, 2017, 12:16:29 pm
More from Sibel on this network

GIRALDI: You also have information on al-Qaeda, specifically al-Qaeda in Central Asia and Bosnia. You were privy to conversations that suggested the CIA was supporting al-Qaeda in central Asia and the Balkans, training people to get money, get weapons, and this contact continued until 9/11…

EDMONDS: I don’t know if it was CIA. There were certain forces in the U.S. government who worked with the Turkish paramilitary groups, including Abdullah Çatli’s group, Fethullah Gülen. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did anybody use the word “al-Qaeda.” It was always “mujahideen,” always “bin Laden” and, in fact, not “bin Laden” but “bin Ladens” plural. There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked with them.

There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under our management. Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent, bringing people from East Turkestan into Kyrgyzstan, from Kyrgyzstan to Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan some of them were being channeled to Chechnya, some of them were being channeled to Bosnia. From Turkey, they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and weapons went one way, drugs came back.

GIRALDI: Was the U.S. government aware of this circular deal?

EDMONDS: 100 percent. A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with NATO planes. After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the U.S. via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago and Paterson, New Jersey. Turkish diplomats who would never be searched were coming with suitcases of heroin.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 16, 2017, 12:43:26 pm
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Q:  One of the things that it indicates in your biographical information is that you’ve made certain allegations. Some of them we’ve talked about a little bit, and I wanted to ask you about some of the others.

One of the entries indicates nuclear secrets black market, and it says, “Edmonds alleges that in the course of her work for the government she found evidence that the FBI, State Department and Pentagon had been infiltrated by a Turkish and Israeli run intelligence network that paid high ranking American officials to steal nuclear weapons secrets,” and they have some footnotes for that, some cites.
Is that correct that you’ve made those allegations?

A:  That information is correct, and if ever -- you can get, I would say, those government organizations and others. There’s another place missing there. They list the State Department itself, but there is one other place that’s missing.

Q:  And what is that place?

A:  That would be RAND Corporation.

http://ariwatch.com/Links/SibelEdmondsDeposition2009.htm

Remember how Aaron Russo said Nicholas Rockefeller of Rand Corp warned him about 9/11. Caus I do.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 17, 2017, 01:35:29 pm


The Reason Anwar Al-Awlaki and his son were murdered by drones?

I think I know who could be the name on the mastercard holding the room for Hazmi and Mihdhar/ AKA Abdullah and Abdallah....Benomrane describes "a yemeni" a few times in his interview, and the Yemeni knows more....


Benomrane wasn't supposed to chauffer the Saudis, until "a Yemeni" was price-gouging Thumairy...

"...he had already heard at that point that two Saudis had come to town, and were met at LAX by someone unknown to Benomrane."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

"He went on to describe a Yemeni, who was unknown to him, who was supposed to shepaerd around the 2 young Saudis before Benomrane met them."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This makes a likely suspect...

Anwar Al-Awlaki is the former leader of the Masjid Ar-Ribat al-Islami mosque on Saranac Street on the border of San Diego and La Mesa, which was attended regularly by the hijackers and their acquaintances.
http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation/terror/20030725-9999_1n25report.html

Jul 21, 2015
The gunman who allegedly killed four Marines and a Navy sailor last week in Chattanooga, Tennessee, had downloaded audio recordings of Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-Yemeni cleric who was a recruiter for al Qaeda, law enforcement officials told NBC News.

http://southern251.rssing.com/browser.php?indx=8725915&item=19462

If it's true - Anwar could blurt this out at anytime. But that's been taken care of..... thanks to this guy.....

David Jeremiah Barron

In 2010, he authored a secret memo which provided the legal foundation for President Obama's unprecedented decision to order a drone strike on Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen who was a radical Islamic militant living in Yemen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jeremiah_Barron

Only a Harvard Scholar would know that killing American citizens with nothing but a secret memo as evidence of whatever it is they get killed for, is perfectly legal and constitutional. "Creating" a memo like that deserves a promotion...

On September 24, 2013, President Obama nominated Barron to serve as a United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit

On May 22, 2014, the Senate voted 53–45 for final confirmation to the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jeremiah_Barron

This Detective should be asked what they know of Abdulluh/Abdallah...

"Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This Det. Gizzi is probably where D Snell knew to ask for names Abdullah and Abddallah in his subpoena.......

SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation

ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and


The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.
https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

Gizzi checked the names on the Hilton at LAX....

"Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

He/She might/should know/knew the name on the mastercard.

3 most likely suspects for name on mastercard IMO...

Thumairy
Anwar Al-Awlaki 
"by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA"
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-investigation-2002-09-sep

How about this name on the mastercard gets declassified and we find out that I'm wrong.
I'd be fine with that-this name that is holding this room should not be hidden if it's helping the hijackers. It should be revealed whoever it is.

I think you might be right actually.

"had already heard at that point that two Saudis had come to town, and were met at LAX by someone unknown to Benomrane"

IF, Aulaqi took them to the King Fahd mosque, for example, where they would later meet Omar al-Bayoumi.

THEN, it would fit the same behaviour pattern as the Eyad al-Rababah/Daoud Chehazeh story from Virginia, which definitely was Aulaqi.

Maybe you have inside info, idk, but you are right a lot and i can definitely see how this could have been Aulaqi.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 17, 2017, 02:17:53 pm
In the late 1990s, Awlaki was approached by an al-Qaeda facilitator known as Ziyad Khaleel, who performed simple tasks for the terror network, for example paying for a satellite phone to be used by Osama bin Laden. Khaleel and Awlaki were both connected to a Yemeni charity, founded by an associate of bin Laden. Awlaki served as its vice president for a time.

Awlaki also had repeated contacts with an associate of Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind Egyptian sheikh whose whose fiery anti-American sermons inspired the terrorist cell responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In January 2000, an Egyptian member of Rahman's Islamic Group visited Awlaki's mosque, where he met with the young preacher.

All of this activity led the FBI to open an investigation in to Awlaki in June 1999, the details of which remain classified. What we do know is that the investigation was closed in March of 2000 -- mere days after Awlaki and his followers had met Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, two of the five al-Qaeda operatives who would crash American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/09/anwar-al-awlakis-links-to-the-september-11-hijackers/244796/

If what I am saying is true, this (still secret?) FBI investigation overlapped with the hijackers way more than a few days
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 17, 2017, 05:12:44 pm
"We do not know how or when Hazmi and Mihdhar first met Aulaqi." - 9/11 Commission final report
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 19, 2017, 02:30:00 pm
Statements in the 28 Pages directly conflict with post 9/11 news reports.

FBI officials testified to the inquiry that Saudis were not considered a national security threat prior to 9/11 as Saudi Arabia was a geo-strategic ally.

Yet Greg Palast reported for BBC Newsnight in November 2001 about FBI document 199-Eye WF, discussing the activities of a prominent Saudi in the US. In that document 199-Eye stands for National Security, Palast says.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 20, 2017, 06:22:29 pm
The 28 Pages mention the al-Haraman Foundation and this would seem to be an unexplored area by us as yet.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 21, 2017, 05:15:19 am
This document is about why the US did not act on the Haramain Foundation:
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/911_TerrFin_Ch7.pdf

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Other areas of U.S. policy involving the Saudis took precedence over terrorist-financing issues such as those concerning al Haramain. The U.S. government wanted the Saudis to support the Middle East peace process, ensure the steady flow of oil, cut off support to the Taliban, continue various mutually beneficial economic arrangements, and assist in the containment of Iraq. Given these other interests, stopping the money flow to terrorists was not a top priority in the U.S.-Saudi relationship.

Saudi policy was formulated at a very high level in the U.S. government. During the late 1990s, the U.S.-Saudi relationship was handled primarily by the U.S. government’s most senior officials, including the secretaries of key departments (collectively referred to as the “Principals”), and often even by the President alone. This situation reflected the significance of the U.S. interests involved, considerable Saudi ties to senior U.S. officials, and U.S. willingness to accede to the strong Saudi preference for bypassing the U.S. bureaucracy.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on March 24, 2017, 07:15:17 pm
I think you might be right actually.

"had already heard at that point that two Saudis had come to town, and were met at LAX by someone unknown to Benomrane"

IF, Aulaqi took them to the King Fahd mosque, for example, where they would later meet Omar al-Bayoumi.

THEN, it would fit the same behaviour pattern as the Eyad al-Rababah/Daoud Chehazeh story from Virginia, which definitely was Aulaqi.

Maybe you have inside info, idk, but you are right a lot and i can definitely see how this could have been Aulaqi.

Yes- whether it is Aulaqi who paid for the Hilton Hotel room or not he makes a likely suspect for the following reasons...

From
Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington
by Paul Sperry


Yet, according to law-enforcement documents I obtained, the government let the imam--Sheikh Anwar N. al-Aulaqi-leave the country after 9/11 on a Saudi Arabian Airlines flight-despite a federal warrant for his arrest in connection to a terrorist-financing investigation headed by the U.S. Department of Treasury. -page XIX
https://www.amazon.com/Infiltration-Muslim-Subversives-Penetrated-Washington/dp/1595550038/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Binalshibh was in phone and email contact with Basnan, in SD in Sept 2000, and this book says Binalshibh also had the phone number to Aulaqi's Mosque in SD.

Benomrane is important. He is the reason an investigation was opened on Thumairy. These entire contents were classified until late 2014...

https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

He describes a Yemeni unknown to him who was originally the driver for the "Saudis". He also claims "the Saudis" stayed at the Hilton Hotel when arriving at LA. He further claims they stayed at the Avalon apartments at 3636 Sepulveda blvd. Thumairy was questioned about these apartments and cannot explain why there are several leased in his name. He also lied and claimed he moved there in 2002. He lies about performing the marriage ceremony of Hazmi's employer at the Gas station. 

Thumairy interview...
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Avalon Apartments...Less than a mile from where they met Bayoumi...

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/3636+South+Sepulveda+Boulevard,+Los+Angeles,+CA/10863+Venice+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90034/@34.0169252,-118.4233445,15z/am=t/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba49022c2e05:0xef7fe303d5ec69b6!2m2!1d-118.4190846!2d34.0164037!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba374c8178e1:0x6f680c09334ba298!2m2!1d-118.4108167!2d34.016914

The 9-11 commission said they do not know where they stayed while in LA. <---Lie Cover up

I believe the following documents show that Hazmi and Mihdhar using the surprisingly stupid aliases Said Abdallah and Said Abdullah, stayed at the Hilton Hotel in room 1777, just as Benomrane previously stated to the FBI.

Subpoena...

https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

Results(room paid for by mastercard-name redacted)...

https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

Benomrane mentions throughout his interview an unknown (to him) Yemeni. I believe it is possible that the credit card that paid for Abdullah/abdallah was Anwar Aulaqi's, since he was Yemeni and Benomrane was in LA, while Aulaqi was in SD. Aulaqi later meeting the same hijackers on the East coast.

This would explain in a sick sinister way why he was murdered without charges by Obama. He literally could not get arrested as surveillance reports describe his numerous encounters with prostitutes, and he at times driving over 90 mph.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/awlaki-fbi-file

He is directly connected to the Saudi Gov....

the government let the imam--Sheikh Anwar N. al-Aulaqi-leave the country after 9/11 on a Saudi Arabian Airlines flight

Awlaki worked closely with the Saudi Embassy. He lectured at a Saudi Islamic think tank in Merrifield, Va., chaired by Bandar. Saudi travel itinerary documents I’ve obtained show he also served as the ­official imam on Saudi Embassy-sponsored trips to Mecca and tours of Saudi holy sites.
http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/inside-the-saudi-911-coverup/

Anyone thinking that I'm "pinning it all on Saudi Arabia" is mistaken. It's obvious they were partners with traitors in the U.S. Government , or there would be no need for such a disgusting cover up.

The name on this credit card needs to be revealed. Not remained covered up.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 25, 2017, 04:11:01 pm
Quote
Aulaqi had an indirect link to Ramzi Yousef. There was an individual in Herndon, who was connected to the SAFA Group, and was the subject of a Greenquest investigation, with whom both Aulaqi and Yousef were in contact.

This is from FBI agent Wade Ammerman's interview.

Who might this be?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on March 25, 2017, 08:58:14 pm
Quote
Aulaqi had an indirect link to Ramzi Yousef. There was an individual in Herndon, who was connected to the SAFA Group, and was the subject of a Greenquest investigation, with whom both Aulaqi and Yousef were in contact.


This is from FBI agent Wade Ammerman's interview.

Who might this be?

SAAR is alternatively referred to as the Safa Group.
SAAR was named after the patriarch of the wealthy Saudi Arabian al-Rajhi family, who are also the foundation’s largest donors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAAR_Foundation

Could be Jamal Barzinji

I will refer to the web of companies and charities controlled by these individuals as the “Safa Group.

To a large extent, the present investigation has built on the findings of an investigation previously conducted with respect to these individuals between 1998 and 2000 by the USCS, the FBI, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (“INS”), for suspicion of the same violations.


The Residence of Barzinji at 11919 Safa Court, Herndon, Virginia 11919 Safa Court in Herndon is the residence of Jamal Barzinji, an officer and/or director of Safa Group companies, including Mar-Jac Poultry, Inc., Mena Investments, Inc., Reston Investments, Inc., and Safa Trust. --page 5/107
https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/891.pdf

Jamal Barzinji: Original trustee holding title to Dar al-Hijrah .....He served as president of MSA
https://books.google.com/books?id=VJj8voB723YC&pg=PA287#v=onepage&q&f=false

Aulaqi:

For a decade, Dar al-Hijrah has been haunted by its association with Aulaqi, who was the imam at the Falls Church
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/anwar-al-aulaqis-death-reopens-wounds-for-dar-al-hijrah-mosque-in-falls-church/2011/09/30/gIQAFUSJAL_story.html?utm_term=.fb5bedddb2ef

Yusuf Siddiqui, a fellow student who was active with Mr. Awlaki in the mosque and the Muslim Student Association...
...He ran successfully for president of the Muslim Student Association
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/world/09awlaki.html

Not aware of his connections to Ramzi Yousef but haven't really looked into it

If it's not Barzinji, it's someone else on this list...
https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/891.pdf

Where is this interview with Wade A.?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 26, 2017, 07:47:16 am
"Where is this interview with Wade A.?"
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610066

I was looking at another Iraqi, Tarik Hamdi, as he delivered a CIA bugged battery to Osama in Afghanistan.

It is clear to me now that those people associating with Aulaqi in Virginia are CIA.

The Virginia network connects the 9/11 ops on the west coast with the east coast, and with Sami al Arian in Florida.

Sami ran PIJ a middle eastern terrorist organisation. He was also at North Carolina Agricultural college when KSM happened to show up there in the mid 80s.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 26, 2017, 09:41:15 am
A number of the Green Quest targets have ties to Al Taqwa

According to History Commons, which i can no longer verify, Ahmed Huber of Al Taqwa called the 9/11 attacks “counterterror against American-Israeli terror,” the World Trade Center a “the Twin Towers of the godless,” and the Pentagon “a symbol of Satan,”

Why is the CIA working with these people?
Why is Paul Wolfowitz and PNAC working with these people?

The Al Taqwa is apperntly Arabic for "Fear of God." It was set up in 1988 by prominent members of the Muslim Brotherhood. Later, Swiss Islamic convert Ahmed Huber, a vocal admirer of Adolf Hitler, was hired. Another co-founder was François Genoud, one of the key managers of Nazi assets after the second world war who later attained notoriety as the publisher of Joseph Goebbels' diaries.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 26, 2017, 10:50:16 am
Another one, François Genoud, appears to have spent decades safely ensconced in Switzerland, funding leftist terror attacks around the world. Despite being a top Nazi before this.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 26, 2017, 11:27:49 am
In the 1960s Genoud began supplying arms for Palestinian causes. The Lausanne-based New European Order organisation, met in Barcelona in April 1969 where Palestinian groups received financial support and Genoud placed them in contact with former Nazis who would assist their military training

The New European Order (NEO) was a neo-fascist, Europe-wide alliance set up in 1951 to promote Pan-European nationalism. It was a more radical splinter group of the European Social Movement.

During a 1997 hearing before the Commission on terrorism headed by senator Giovanni Pellegrino, Stefano Delle Chiaie went on speaking about a "black fascist International" and his hopes of creating the conditions of an "international revolution." In this context he talked about the World Anti-Communist League and admitted having taken part in the New European Order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francois_Genoud

I wonder if this is going to end up involving Bilderberg, because this is all to do with the post war European order.
WACL has come up before, through a key part of Al Qaeda called Benevolence.
Stefano Delle Chiaie was part of Gladio
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 27, 2017, 09:34:28 am
A man named George Harb is mentioned in 9/11 documents as a lead on a muslim in San Diego. Looking up Harb, i think he is an apartment manager from Wilshire Blvd LA. His address there is next door to an Iranian run English school that was acting illegally, named Concord. And that this English school also appears in 911 documents, where it seems to be where Qualid Benomrane stayed on arrival in the US

I had previous not recognised the importance of Wilshire Blvd. Only Culver City, Venice Blvd, Sepulveda and the Consulate.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 27, 2017, 09:44:42 am
Concord also appears here - http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-05-24-FBI-FD302-redacted-Santa-Monica-jail.pdf - which has the Benomarne file reference.
Do you know who this is? Save me looking
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 27, 2017, 09:59:36 am
Dae Woo Nam, a business partner of Dr Osman Kaldirim (Dr Othman?), used an address just across Wilshire from the other two addresses, to run a hotel company from.
Osman Kaldirim is tied to HLFs Ghassan Elashi by an industrial estate in Torrance.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 27, 2017, 03:43:55 pm
New York City FBI Agents Considered Filing Charges on Tampa's Osama ‘Sam’ Mustafa for Providing ‘Material Support’ to 9/11 Hijackers. On September 24th, 2012 FBI Agents in New York City considered potential charges for Osama ‘Sam’ Mustafa for providing ‘Material Support’ to the 9/11 hijackers while in San Diego CA. The 2012 FBI report takes a longer look at Mohdar Abdullah, who “played a key role facilitating the daily lives and assisting future Flight 77 hijackers.”

Osama Sam Mustafa Admits in an Email he Told 'Fed's They Deserved 9/11' but continues to denies Links to Terrorism

OSAMA SAM MUSTAFA RESPONDS YESTERDAY:
 -----Original Message-----
From: sam mustafa <smust41@hotmail.com>
 To: Bill Warner  <wbipi@verizon.net>
 Sent: Sun, Mar 26, 2017 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: this conversation will be published:

You know Warner you keep going with your false information. Here in this email I see your giving the impression I was almost indicted. You even make it in read to give it some kind of credibility. I searched for this story all over and found nothing. I have no idea what potential proof they would have had for this nonsense. What were they going to tell the jury my name is Osama and therefore that makes his a terrorist or maybe he was exercising his first amendment to free speech when he told the Feds they deserved 9-11. That's all the proof they had you moron. I had zero to do with any terrorism. I would have countered with the fact I came alone without an attorney to tell them that one of the potential hijakers may have worked for me prior to 9-11 by at least a year. I would've subpoenaed the recordings of my interview with the FBI agents in San Diego where you can clearly see me offering to take polygraphs , where I gave them permission to search my home while I sat in there office and I also offered to allow them to take all my computers to check them out and all this you stupid racist pig without them having to get a search warrant and without me getting in touch with any attorney. The record will show they never took me up on any of my offers. So that piece you added you just made up once again but I got to hand it to you it looks authentic. I wish they would have charged me but they knew there case was silly and that's why they resorted to the so called 17 million sham of a trail. To them they got enough years to make sure I died in prison without having to prove any terrorism links which I have zero of. They don't realize on the day of judgement they will pay for there despicable crimes
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 27, 2017, 04:34:19 pm
A character known as 'Sabah J Alwaan/Alwan' ties Sammy Mustafa to Kifay Jayyousi's American Worldwide Relief cell in San Diego. Jayyousi was obviously indicted with Benevolence and Padilla. Members of Benevolence knew the Hamburg Cell back in Germany.

Jayyousis partner Mohamed Zaky died in Chechnya in 1995. He had been very popular in Boston jihadist circles and had his own connections to Florida. Looking at background checks i somehow gained the impression he may be tied to the Frazier family who owned Shuckums Oyster bar in Hollywood Fl. But that cant be right because we would know about it by now.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on March 27, 2017, 08:59:13 pm
A man named George Harb is mentioned in 9/11 documents as a lead on a muslim in San Diego. Looking up Harb, i think he is an apartment manager from Wilshire Blvd LA. His address there is next door to an Iranian run English school that was acting illegally, named Concord.


Harb received a call from Bayoumi's phone on 2/15/2000 shortly after Hazmi and Mihdhar arrive in SD. When Harb returned the call Hazmi answered the phone. This means the hijackers were using Bayoumi's phone during this time. Which means even a keystone cop would know to scrutinize the calls on this phone and yet the calls on his phone were never investigated despite FBI agents wanting to do their job-they were prevented. Yes-he is a manager of an apartment building. You know the address of his apartment building he was managing? I know someone that has been trying to locate him, if he's still around.

Source:
page 3/4
https://www.scribd.com/document/20300246/Mfr-Nara-t1a-FBI-FBI-Special-Agent-63-11-17-03-00458

Concord also appears here - http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-05-24-FBI-FD302-redacted-Santa-Monica-jail.pdf - which has the Benomarne file reference.
Do you know who this is? Save me looking

If you're asking who this is about it's Qualid Benomrane. He had 3 interviews, and changes his story slightly in each. He and Thumairy should have gotten their stories of a sick father better coordinated, because they don't match.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 28, 2017, 05:35:42 am
Harb received a call from Bayoumi's phone on 2/15/2000 shortly after Hazmi and Mihdhar arrive in SD. When Harb returned the call Hazmi answered the phone. This means the hijackers were using Bayoumi's phone during this time. Which means even a keystone cop would know to scrutinize the calls on this phone and yet the calls on his phone were never investigated despite FBI agents wanting to do their job-they were prevented. Yes-he is a manager of an apartment building. You know the address of his apartment building he was managing? I know someone that has been trying to locate him, if he's still around.

When I looked for a Harb who was an apartment manager i found one on Wilshire Blvd in LA. I was expecting San Diego. I cant guarantee that it is the Harb they are referring to but it makes a kind of sense. George B Harb owned the Gaylord Apartments. 3355 Wilshire 90010.

It makes sense because it is across the street from Concord English Language Centre, 3435 Wilshire 90010, which brings in students illegally and Benomrane was associated with.

The FBI Harb interview isnt much help.

An address linked to this Harb:
https://www.myrelatives.com/address-lookup/ca/los-angeles/m/muirfield/534

There is more to the LA story. Especially the Med Grill meeting on Venice Blvd. There was another guy who i saw referenced once and can no longer find who the FBI did an investigation on and showed he had ties to the hijackers.

Interestingly, when i look up the address for Concord I get a link to the "Philippine Consulate General."
https://www.yelp.com/biz/philippine-consulate-general-los-angeles-3
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 29, 2017, 05:40:58 am
Taibah International Aid Association (or “Taibah”) is a charitable organization headquartered in Falls Church, Virginia. Established in 1991, Taibah’s IRS Form 1023, which serves as an application to the United States Government for tax exempt status, lists Abdullah A. bin Laden, Osama bin Laden’s half-brother, as a founding officer.

Although it purports to be a humanitarian organization, the Taibah International Aid Association furthers the aims and materially supports Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. Through the actions of its agents, officers and employees, Taibah has provided financial and material support to al Qaeda. The strong affiliation that Taibah maintains with many other al Qaeda front-groups demonstrates its place as a highly connected component of Osama bin Laden’s financial and logistical support network.

Abdurahman M. Alamoudi, a founder of the American Muslim Council and related American Muslim Foundation, was indicted Thursday on charges of engaging in illegal financial transactions with Libya. Alamoudi is listed as vice president of an organization in Falls Church, Va., called the Taibah International Aid Association. A director of that organization is Abdullah A. bin Laden, nephew of al Qaeda leader bin Laden, according to the affidavit.

Officials found seven U.S.-designated terrorist groups among the names and numbers in al-Amoudi's confiscated Palm Pilot. The government also found an unsigned document in Arabic during a search of al-Amoudi's office in Virginia that makes numerous references to Hamas and discusses "execution of operations against the Israelis to delay the peace process."

It is an almost unknown fact that Abdullah ran a training camp for Chechens in Okeechobee Florida. He did this whilst living with US military personnel and with US military permission. Was this a camp a terror training camp? I dont know.

Greg Palast was provided with a document about an FBI Washington field office counter terrorism investigation of Abdullah bin Laden which had been blocked pre 9/11.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 29, 2017, 06:50:03 am
Anwar Hajjaj, former president of Taibah International Aid Association, which was designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. and U.N. in 2004.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/11/congressional-muslim-prayer-group-terror-ties.html

Hajjaj also goes by Anwar Hussain. He is listed as a 'Director of the American Open University' an Islamic University. The address is the same as that of the American Association of Airport Executives and that part of their role is aviation security
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 29, 2017, 07:19:16 am
Alamoudi could also have interfered in the Bosnian peace process

Abdulrahman Alamoudi met with Clinton’s National Security Advisor, Anthony Lake, in the White House on December 8, 1995 to receive a briefing on the Dayton Peace Agreement and to represent the interests of the Muslim Community.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 29, 2017, 07:32:26 am
US Rep. Gregory Meeks scolded immigration officials for questioning a Muslim scholar whose nonprofits have been linked to financing terrorism.

The Queens Democrat contacted federal agencies -- finally appealing to then-Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff -- asking why Anwar Hajjaj faced "unwarranted scrutiny" when he returned to the United States from trips abroad through JFK Airport.

Meeks described Hajjaj as a "highly regarded" professor of Islamic studies who leads Friday Muslim prayers at the Capitol.

Meeks said Hajjaj was "a pioneer in distance-based learning of Islam" through the American Open University in Virginia, according to a copy of the Sept. 30, 2006, letter to Chertoff, which was obtained by The Post under a Freedom of Information Act request.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 29, 2017, 07:39:28 am
Hows that War on Terror and those who harbor them

On June 4, 1999, Turani met with US President Bill Clinton in order to persuade him to back the East Turkistan independence movement.[7] Turani told Clinton that his nation is in favor of waging a war of independence against China;[8][9] articles from the East Turkistan Government in Exile continues to assert the "legitimate right to wage war" against China. Turani claimed to had been funded by wealthy Uyghurs in Saudi Arabia.[10]

On July 20, 2001 Turani received a letter from the United States Department of State on behalf of President George W. Bush in response to Turani's initial letter concerning the Chinese occupation of East Turkistan. In this letter, the U.S. government expressed its willingness to protect the "fundamental human rights -- the rights to freedom of association, assembly, religion, belief, conscience, and expression -- of Uyghurs and others living in China."

East Turkistan Government in Exile

On September 14, 2004, Anwar Yusuf Turani proclaimed the creation of the "East Turkistan Government in Exile" in Washington, D.C.,[12] and was elected Prime Minister.[13][14] China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Kong Quan publicly registered his displeasure, referencing such groups' terrorism in the Xinjiang region.

Media reports and scholarly studies of terrorism in contemporary China frequently focus on members of the largely Muslim Uyghur ethnic group, who are concentrated in the Northwestern province of Xinjiang. Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri released a statement supporting Jihad in Xinjiang against Chinese.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 29, 2017, 07:43:41 am

SAAR is alternatively referred to as the Safa Group.
SAAR was named after the patriarch of the wealthy Saudi Arabian al-Rajhi family, who are also the foundation’s largest donors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAAR_Foundation

Could be Jamal Barzinji

Although id like to know who he means, having researched this, i think it could be just about any of them there. They all seem to have similar backgrounds.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 29, 2017, 08:32:52 am
Court documents filed in Virginia and obtained by CNSNews.com indicate that a government investigation of Alamoudi has uncovered evidence linking him to al Qaeda through a non-profit called the Taibah International Aid Association (TIAA), based in Falls Church, Va.

The court documents filed by the U.S. attorney's office in Virginia stated that Mohammed El-Nagmy, an employee of TIAA and its sister organization Taibah in Sarajevo, Bosnia, served simultaneously as the Bosnian representative for the Global Relief Foundation (GRF).

"GRF ... personnel had multiple contacts with Wadih El-Hage, UBL's [Osama bin Laden] personal secretary when UBL was in Sudan," according to the U.S. Treasury Department. El-Hage was convicted in May 2001 for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings.

The whole point of this is that convoluted trails of personal associates and organizations add layers of deniability for key individuals involved in terrorist planning.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 29, 2017, 04:35:51 pm
Here is another character invited to the Pentagon.

Quote
On the morning of 11 September 2001, Soliman was representing the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY) at the UN and was due to attend a conference for NGOs in the Department of Public Information (DPI) being held in Manhattan on that day.

“That morning, I had three hours before I needed to be at my conference, so I decided to do a bit of sightseeing. At 8am on the 11th of September I was trying to stop a taxi to take me and two colleagues to the World Trade Centre. No taxi stopped for half an hour.” Later Soliman found out that the first attack on the Twin Towers took place at 8.45am.

“I was quite frustrated at the time, not realising that God was saving our lives."

With the aim of building a platform for educational interfaith discussion, Soliman began an initiative, The Bridges Foundation, to overcome misunderstanding and improve education about Islam. Soliman was invited to the Pentagon to speak several times at the Department of Defence and Capitol Hill, as well as to talk to prisoners in jails.

Soliman has spoken at several correctional facilities in the USA and sponsored some prisoners to learn about Islam when he saw that they had some extreme views, sponsoring them to take Islamic studies via online programmes like the American Open University in Washington DC.


http://www.middleeasteye.net/in-depth/features/fadel-soliman-tackling-radical-misconceptions-about-islam-914302813
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 30, 2017, 04:53:34 pm
About two weeks after the 9/11 Commission says Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi first moved to San Diego, Anwar Aulaqi incorporated a business at an address in north San Diego.

A local inventor named Sam Hacene Eulmi joined him in this venture, Al Fahm Inc.  --  https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2cnetk/al-fahm-inc
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on March 30, 2017, 06:26:52 pm
When I looked for a Harb who was an apartment manager i found one on Wilshire Blvd in LA. I was expecting San Diego. I cant guarantee that it is the Harb they are referring to but it makes a kind of sense. George B Harb owned the Gaylord Apartments. 3355 Wilshire 90010.

It makes sense because it is across the street from Concord English Language Centre, 3435 Wilshire 90010, which brings in students illegally and Benomrane was associated with.

No-Harb is in SD.....

Bayoumi’s cell phone was used to call the landlord of an apartment complex on 49th Street, off El Cajon Boulevard. On February 15 the landlord returned a page from Bayoumi’s phone and Hazmi answered.
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jul/27/cover-omar-al-bayoumi-911-pentagon/?page=2

Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on March 31, 2017, 05:25:54 am
thanks.

I turns out there are a lot of George Harb's. Ill have to find the time to read about it more to ID the correct one.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on April 01, 2017, 12:16:16 pm
I wish i knew more about Anwar Aulaqis time in Florida
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on April 02, 2017, 05:27:31 am
Here is a very similar story to the Shalabi murder story which is floating around, apparently falsely, that he was murdered in the wtc.

In 1990, Gambino boss John Gotti ordered the murder of mobster Louis DiBono, DiBono had allegedly been disrespectful to Gotti, who decided to eliminate him, and sent bobby Boriello to attend to Dibono. In October 1990, DiBono's bullet-ridden body was discovered in the front seat of a Cadillac sedan in the underground garage at the New York World Trade Center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquale_Conte
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on April 02, 2017, 10:06:56 am
Indian intelligence wiretap identified 9/11 hijackers. 2002

Indian intelligence agencies helped the US to identify the hijackers who carried out the deadly September 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, a media report said here on Wednesday.

The new probe began after US officials learned that intelligence agents in India had wiretapped the telephone of a Pakistani charity funded by the Saudi government and discovered the transfer of 100,000 dollars to Mohamed Atta, one of the 19 hijackers, the paper quoting US officials said.

The information helped US officials identify all the 19 hijackers -- 15 of whom were Saudi nationals, the officials said.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on April 24, 2017, 09:34:05 pm
And this very interesting subpoena.....

SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation


ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and

The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.

https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

It would be very helpful if anyone could explain some things on the folios...like under CDE every time a 10 shows up there is a charge of $1.00. But every time a 12 is in the CDE column the charges are more, but under both circumstances under the column REF., there are what appears to be, military times, or 24-hour clock times. Could these be phone calls charged to the room? Anyone know how to read a Hotel bill/Folio?

Also under REF. is "PARK", and a charge of $10, which would seem to be a parking fee for a car.

If not, what does it mean? Anyone know?

(https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/46et1zdsqoch8u4/images/5-6b0f6cbff1.jpg)

(https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/46et1zdsqoch8u4/images/7-cad757c234.jpg)

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https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

In Any Case:

We all can see the 9-11 commission knows who paid for the first 2 of the hijackers arrival in America with their mastercard, and they are protecting them.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on April 25, 2017, 08:10:27 am
I havent got a clue but Park is a credit

looking on their website, self parking is 9 dollars cheaper than valet parking. maybe in 2000 it was 10. Maybe they paid for parking but chose to self park

Other charges could have included:

Automated Teller (ATM)
Baggage Storage
Bar Area
Car Rental Desk
Coin Laundry
Concierge Desk
Electric Car Charging Station
Electric Service
Elevators
Foreign Currency Exchange
Gift Shop
Green Initiatives
Laundry/Valet Service
Local Area Transportation
Lounge
Luggage Hold
Multi-Lingual Staff
Refrigerator
Rollaway Bed
Room Service
Safety Deposit Box
Valet Level Charging Stations
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on April 30, 2017, 03:44:38 pm
An address for a George Harb in an FBI document.
Quote
Return address labels for GEORGE HARB, 6886 Newberry Street, San Diego,
California, printed by month

Photo of him here http://www.hittheroadrv.com/contact.htm
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 05, 2017, 10:29:39 am
Basnan was associating in Virginia with people from WAMY and people from the IIRO

Anwar Aulaqi was doing the exact same thing when under surveillance there post 911.

This means that Omar Al Bayoumi probably has these ties as well.

An internet database shows an associate of Bayoumis in California to be Soliman Elay  and this man has been tentatively identified as Sulaiman bin Ali al-Ali (Kabbara).

It happens that the Kabbaras are associating with the exact same circles in Virginia, in particular IIRO.

Brother Bachir Kabbara is associated with Wael Hamza Julaidan's mosque in Tucson AZ.

Benevolence International, who have already been connected to Al Qaeda US terror attacks in the 90s are described as "an affiliate branch of the World Assembly for Muslim Youth."

Does anybody dispute associating these two key figures from the 28 Pages, Osama Basnan and Omar al-Bayoumi with the WAMY and IIRO nexus in Va?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 06, 2017, 09:10:01 am
Saudi sources acknowledged that the embassy; the ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan; and his wife, Princess Haifa al-Faisal, together provided about $130,000 in what they called charitable donations over a four-year period to Majida Ibrahim Ahmad al-Dweikat

According to the Baltimore Sun
Quote
During part of the four-year period, the money trail passed through an address in the 2200 block of Kentucky Ave. in Baltimore, where a friend of Majida Ibrahim Ahmad's, Vuthaina Chakrouf, forwarded the Saudi checks to San Diego.

Chakrouf, an American citizen who became friends with Majida Ibrahim Ahmad while a nursing student in their native Jordan, agreed to forward the checks to San Diego. She said she never opened the envelopes but put them into new envelopes addressed to her friend in California.

"She asked me if she could use my address. She needed someone to send the money there," Chakrouf recounted in a telephone interview. She said Majida Ibrahim Ahmad expressed fear that the Saudi government would stop the payments if officials knew she had moved to California. But Chakrouf didn't say why Majida Ibrahim Ahmad thought that. 

Chakrouf expressed devotion to the United States. The attacks, she said, were committed by people who were "not human beings." "I love America," she said.
-  http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2002-11-25/news/0211250134_1_saudi-arabia-haifa-saudi-man

From my background check 'Vuthaina Chakrouf' also used the name Buthaina S Mansour.

She left a comment on a website about Palestine, saying she was from a village in the West Bank, north of Jerusalem, not Jordan:
Quote
Posted by buthaina mansour on April 15, 2009   #74150
My name is buthaina salih mohamad mansour . I am from kfar Qallil. I live in baltimore , maryland USA. it is for any one from kfar Qallil who like to contact me. I love the pictures. also I have vidio tape that I took for kafr Qallil in 2006. I will post that when I learn the process. Love for every one in my my village. I miss you all. I wish I were there now.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/GeoPoints/Kafr_Qallil_1265/GuestBook.htm
l

The Websites mission statement says:
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To emphasize that the CORE issues of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are the DISPOSSESSION and ETHNIC CLEANSING (compulsory population transfer to achieve political gains) of the Palestinian people for the past six decades.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/MissionStatement.htm
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 06, 2017, 12:49:33 pm
Just some of the 911 characters to have lived on Beadnell Way San Diego

OSAMA BASNAN   —  at 6262
knew Omar al Bayoumi

LAFI ALHARBI   —  6363
a Saudi naval officer who phoned the hijackers nine times during March 2000

IMAN ALGABBZ   —  6520
possible associate of Omar al-Bayoumi

SOLIMAN ALI ELAY   —  6602
possible associate of Omar al Bayoumi

ADEL RAFEEA   —  6699
received money from the UAE on behalf of the hijackers

RANIA FARROUJEH   —  6779
a woman associated with Osama Mustafa

KIFAH JAYYOUSI   —  6750
an associate of Benevolence international and Osama Mustafa
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 06, 2017, 05:35:49 pm
February 11, 1989
Two clerks for the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles and two Northern Virginia men have been charged with bribery, fraud and conspiracy in what federal prosecutors said was a scheme that obtained false driver's licenses and residency permits for hundreds of illegal aliens. The two clerks, Gail Yvette Shaw of Fredericksburg and Theresia Maria Johnson of Falls Church, allegedly took payoffs in exchange for issuing driver's licenses to people who gave phony names and who did not take a driver's test, according to an affidavit filed by prosecutors. Both Shaw and Johnson work at the DMV office in Baileys Crossroads. The transactions were allegedly arranged by Bahauddin Khan Khattak of Arlington, who falsely claimed to be a lawyer, according to the affidavit, and by Issam H. Abu-Ghosh of Alexandria, who the affidavit says brought clients to Khattak.

Issam Abu-Ghosh mentioned here is an associate of Derar M Saleh, who later interacted with the 911 hijackers.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 06, 2017, 07:19:45 pm
After failing to set the literary world afire with his memoir, Alec Baldwin is going to have to stick to this acting thing a while longer. He’s already lined up one high-profile project: Hulu’s 9/11 drama, The Looming Tower.

Based on Lawrence Wright’s book, the series will focus on the events leading up to the September 11th terrorist attacks, as well as the professional rivalry between the CIA and the FBI that could have proven to be a big enough distraction to keep them from catching onto the plans for the attack sooner. The Looming Tower adaptation comes from Dan Futterman and Alex Gibney, and has already drawn Peter Sarsgaard and Jeff Daniels to the cast. We previously reported that Daniels will play the FBI counterterrorism chief John O’Neill, which means that, as former CIA director George Tenet, Baldwin’s going to bust his balls.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 07, 2017, 10:28:05 am
When Jim Kreindler got to his midtown Manhattan office on Friday, July 15, 2016, he had a surprise waiting for him. Kreindler learned, “the 28 pages” as they were known, were open for inspection and it was up to his team to find something of value. It wasn’t long before they did—a single, vague line about a Somali charity in Southern California.

That obscure reference would soon become part of the backbone of an argument that Kreindler and his firm have been making for a long time: Without financial and logistical support from members of the government of Saudi Arabia, the 9/11 attacks would have never taken place.

The new filing—which seeks $10 million per death, the same as in the Lockerbie suit—is chock full of obscure names of private citizens and massive charities, but it involves people whom the firm says no one has connected before. One of the key players: a lanky former teacher’s aide in San Diego.

Early on the morning of January 22, 2004, Omar Abdi Mohamed sat across from Immigration and Customs Enforcement Senior Agent Steve Schultz looking untroubled. He believed he had been called in to talk about his pending citizenship, for which he had applied four years earlier. But the real reason for the interview was more serious. According to a government transcript, as the interview began Mohamed sketched out some of the details of his life. His first wife had been killed during a civil war in Somalia, and their son, now a teenager, lived in the same refugee camp in Kenya. Agent Schultz knew all this. He and Mohamed had gone over much of the same territory in another interview two years earlier. Mohamed had claimed previously that his Western Somali Relief Agency brought in almost nothing in donations. “It didn’t make it,” he had told Schultz. Money was so tight, he said, that if he and his organization had been given a box of blankets they wouldn’t have been able to afford postage for shipping.

But by now, according to the agent’s later grand jury testimony, Schultz knew this to be untrue. As he and Mohamed were speaking, Schultz’s colleagues were rifling through that stucco home and finding deposit slips that told a very different story. Far from destitute, the Western Somali Relief Agency had received more than $370,000 in donations. The vast majority from the Chicago branch of Global Relief. In the two years between Mohamed’s first interview and his second, Global Relief had been designated by the United States Treasury Department as a supporter of terrorism due to its alleged connections to Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. What’s more, the agents discovered checks that showed Mohamed quickly moved the cash he had received from Global Relief to a money transfer service that operated throughout the Middle East.

Schultz also knew something else. Mohamed had claimed that his one and only job was as a teacher’s aide. But ICE officials had just discovered that was also untrue. Even before his arrival in the United States, Mohamed had been employed as a “propagator” for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia’s Ministry of Islamic Affairs, an agency long suspected of ties to extremists. For nearly a decade, Mohamed had received $1,750 a month to provide written reports on the local Islamic community. Even Mohamed’s listed reason for obtaining a religious worker’s visa, that he was to assist a San Diego imam, had been untrue. That same imam had told Schultz that Mohamed didn’t actually do any work. The mosque where he was supposedly first employed was just a small apartment. The story had been a ruse meant to help him gain entry into the United States.

Kreindler’s team who noticed that one vague line in the “28 pages.” It was a reference to a Somali nonprofit that, according to an FBI agent, “may allow the Saudi government to provide al Qaeda with funding through covert or indirect means.” They knew of only one Somali nonprofit with Saudi ties in San Diego—Mohamed’s Western Somali Relief.

During his 2004 interview with ICE, Mohamed said he once had been visited by an official from the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs, the same department from which he was receiving a monthly check. Mohamed gave the man’s name as “Khaleid”, though the last name he offered was garbled. The ICE agent helpfully provided him with one: Sowailem. Khaleid Sowailem was, at the time, the head of Da’Wah, a department within the ministry whose stated goal is proselytizing.

Kreindler’s team took Sowailem’s name and plugged it into their database. They got a hit. Years before, Kreindler had received hundreds of thousands of pages of documents from a Saudi-funded charity called World Assembly of Muslim Youth, which according to the complaint, was linked to Al Qaeda. There, at the top of a single page, it found a note from Khaleid Sowailem written on official letterhead from the ministry. On that note was Sowailem’s phone number at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C. They then plugged that number into the database and, again, out came a hit—this time, one that linked back to the men Kreindler and the rest of the world had already heard of.

According to heavily redacted FBI records gathered after 9/11, in the three months after Bayoumi allegedly randomly ran into and befriended the two hijackers, he also made nearly 100 calls to Saudi officials in the U.S. Thirty of those calls went to the number that Kreindler had uncovered as Sowailem’s line.

Here’s Kreindler’s theory:
Sometime late in 1998, a Somali Al Qaeda operative named Mohamed Sulaiman Barre established a branch of Dahabshiil in Karachi, Pakistan. (Dahabshiil is like an Islamic Western Union. A Somali-owned, Dubai- and London-based money transfer service.) Barre, who would later be held and interviewed repeatedly at Guantanamo Bay, operated the branch out of his apartment and internet cafes. He never had it registered, either, which meant that a branch supposedly intended to receive and send money to and from the whole world only had the capacity to accept it.

Also in Karachi at the same time was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of 9/11. KSM, as U.S. officials later called him, was the point man for getting money to the 19 hijackers. He did this in a number of different ways, including by sending $100,000 via courier to his nephew in Dubai, who would later wire it to the hijackers in the U.S. (In the interim, KSM’s nephew hid the cash in a laundry bag stored under his bed.)

According to court documents filed in the case against him, starting in December 1998 and continuing until May 2001 Omar Abdi Mohamed wrote 65 checks—some as small as $370; others as large as $60,000—to Dahabshiil. The total amount, some $370,000, is roughly the same as what the 9/11 Commission estimated as the cost of the plot. When John Pistole, deputy assistant director of the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division, testified in 2003 before the Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs, he acknowledged a “continuing investigation” into the “origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan.” When Pakistan’s CIA-equivalent raided Barre’s apartment in November 2001, its agents found that the Dahabshiil employee’s address book was full of aliases and phone numbers for senior Al Qaeda officials. They also interrupted Barre as he shredded documents.

Kreindler’s complaint and other government documents, including the indictment against Omar Abdi Mohamed, trace a circuitous route that would take hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Chicago office of the Al Qaeda-linked charity Global Relief on to San Diego and Omar Abdi Mohamed’s Western Somali Relief Agency, then through the money transfer service Dahabshiil to Karachi, Pakistan, where a waiting Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sent it to his nephew in Dubai, who put it into the pockets of the 19 men who would travel to the United States.

Kreindler’s team knows the chain they’ve put together is missing a link. They have no direct evidence that when Mohamed wrote checks to Dahabshiil from his charity’s bank accounts that they ended up in the Karachi branch. Yet they do have Barre, the Al Qaeda operative who set it up, telling U.S. investigators specifically that he received money from Somalis in the U.S.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 08, 2017, 01:53:28 pm
Washington’s Secret History with the Muslim Brotherhood

Eisenhower officials knew what they were doing. In the battle against communism, they figured that religion was a force that US could make use of—the Soviet Union was atheist, while the United States supported religious freedom. Central Intelligence Agency analyses of Said Ramadan were quite blunt, calling him a “Phalangist” and a “fascist interested in the grouping of individuals for power.” But the White House went ahead and invited him anyway.

By the end of the decade, the CIA was overtly backing Ramadan. While it’s too simple to call him a US agent, in the 1950s and 1960s the United States supported him as he took over a mosque in Munich, kicking out local Muslims to build what would become one of the Brotherhood’s most important centers. Ramadan was more interested in spreading his Islamist agenda than fighting communism. In later years, he supported the Iranian revolution and likely aided the flight of a pro-Teheran activist who murdered one of the Shah’s diplomats

In the years after the September 11 attacks, the United States initially went after the Brotherhood, declaring many of its key members to be backers of terrorism. But by Bush’s second term, the US quietly changed its position.

The Bush administration devised a strategy to establish close relations with Muslim groups in Europe that were ideologically close to the Brotherhood, figuring that it could be an interlocutor in dealing with more radical groups, such as the home-grown extremists in Paris, London and Hamburg. So starting in 2005, the State Department launched an effort to woo the Brotherhood. In 2006, for example, it organized a conference in Brussels between these European Muslim Brothers and American Muslims, such as the Islamic Society of North America, who are considered close to the Brotherhood. All of this was backed by CIA analyses, with one from 2006 saying the Brotherhood featured “impressive internal dynamism, organization, and media savvy.” Despite the concerns of western allies that supporting the Brotherhood in Europe was too risky, the CIA pushed for cooperation.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2011/02/05/washingtons-secret-history-muslim-brotherhood/

Said Ramadan moved to Saudi Arabia where he was one of the original members of the constituent council of the Muslim World League. The League founded the International Islamic Relief Organization in 1978.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 09, 2017, 09:14:06 am
Gerhard von Mende (December 25, 1904 – December 16, 1963) was a Baltic German who was head of the Caucasus division at the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territory, or Ostministerium, in Nazi Germany. He was a scholar on Asiatic and Muslim minorities within the Soviet Union and was considered the pioneer of mobilising them as a fifth column against the Communists, while being one of their staunchest advocates within Nazi Germany and post-war West Germany.

In 1956 von Mende increasingly became hostile toward the CIA following the creation of their front-group which would rival his RSEE, the American Committee for Liberation from Bolshevism. This group employed former Muslim Nazi Ibrahim Gacaoglu, who would also work for Radio Free Europe. von Mende however resented foreign interference with West German residents and believed that Muslims living in West Germany should be aligned with their operations. He brought in former Muslim S.S. officer Nurredin Nakibhodscha Namangani to be established as the Hauptimam of West Germany's Muslims, working on the payroll of the West German government.

In 1958 Namangani introduced an initiative called the Mosque Construction Commission, which eventually led to funding securing a home for the Muslims through the creation of a mosque in Munich.

However, by 1960, the commission in Munich had fallen under control of Said Ramadan, a U.S. asset and associate of Gacaoglu, who weakened the West German government's influence by introducing Munich as a center for European Muslims instead of just West German Muslims. Gacaoglu and the U.S. would use "new" revelations of the Holocaust to further weaken the credibility of von Mende and the RSEE, thus wrestling control of the fifth columnist Muslims from the West Germans in the end.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 09, 2017, 01:21:34 pm
Is this why Sandy Berger stole copies of the Millennium Report from the 911 Commission archive
– Millennium bomber Ahmad Ressam testified in closed and open court trials relating to his Dec. 1999 arrest for trying to bring bomb-making materials across the Canadian border that attack plans, including hijackings and attacks on New York City targets, were ongoing.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 11, 2017, 11:07:24 am
Another Dar al-Hijrah tie to Alqaeda

Ahmed Omar Abu Ali is an American who was born in Houston, Texas, in March 1981 and raised in Falls Church, Virginia, Abu Ali was valedictorian of his class at the Islamic Saudi Academy high school in nearby Alexandria. Abu Ali entered the University of Maryland in the fall of 1999 as an electrical engineering major, and prayed at the Dar al-Hijrah mosque near Falls Church. However Ali suddenly withdrew in the middle of the 2000 spring semester to go to Saudi Arabia.

This was allegedly to study Islamic theology at the Islamic University of Medina however he soon ended up in the company of Al Qaeda leaders there. In June 2003, Abu Ali was arrested by Saudi authorities while taking exams at the Islamic University of Medina. In February 2005, Abu Ali was transferred to US custody pursuant to a criminal indictment, returned by a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia on February 3, 2005.

The indictment charged Abu Ali with two counts of providing material support to terrorists, two counts of providing material support to a terrorist organization (Al Qaeda), one count of contributing goods and services to Al Qaeda, and one count of receiving services from Al Qaeda. This was later amended to add charges of conspiracy to assassinate the President, conspiracy to hijack aircraft, and conspiracy to destroy aircraft.

The indictment alleged that Abu Ali had joined a terrorist cell in Medina, led by senior al-Qaeda members Ali Al-Faqasi and Zubayr Al-Rimi, and that among the plots they were developing were a plan to assassinate the President of the United States, and a plan to mount attacks using planes transiting through the US.
Hijackers who carried out just such a plot passed though Ali's old mosque, Dar al-Hijrah.

Zubayr al-Rimi was a militant in al-Qaeda's Saudi wing. On September 1, 2001, secretly traveled to Afghanistan where he met with militant leaders. In December, al-Rimi participated in the Battle of Tora Bora which saw Osama bin Laden escape from a snare set by American forces. He returned to Saudi Arabia in approximately January 2002, where, according to the story, he first meets Ahmed Omar Abu Ali in November 2002.

I am not sure what Ahmed Ali did in Saudi between Spring 2000 and November 2002.
The indictment actually reads "Beginning on a date unknown but by at least September 2002," and therefore he may well have been actively participating for years and therefore these individuals may be part of the 911 conspiracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Omar_Abu_Ali
https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/86.pdf
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 11, 2017, 05:35:54 pm
Joint Intelligence report says FBI were told about Nawaf and Kahlid in 1999

In late 1999, NSA analyzed communications involving a suspected terrorist facility in the Middle East that included the names of Khaled and Nawaf. At this time, NSA did not associate the latter individual with the Nawaf al-Hazmi it had learned about in early 1999. Later, the two individuals [ ] were determined to be Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, now known to be two of the September 11 hijackers. []. This information was passed to the CIA as well as the FBI in late 1999. In early 2000, assed additional information about Khalid to the CIA, FBI, FAA, the Departments of State, Treasury, Transportation, and Justice, and others in the U.S. Government.

Why are FBI claiming not to have heard about them?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 14, 2017, 05:02:33 am
(https://pibillwarner.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/01747-picture19.png?w=640&h=198)

The phone number there put into a database returns a woman named Senovia with a series of US military addresses.

Right at the top, also with an 858 number, is Saudi Naval officer Lafi al Harbi.

Is it possible these addresses, Beadnell and Mount Ada, which are close to each other, are commonly used by military personnel or Saudi government personnel.

Does anybody have a copy of the San Diego phone directory 2000 or 2001?
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 14, 2017, 08:32:09 am
Evan Kohlman testimony that al-Kifah worked for Hekmatyar.

I have been provided with evidentiary documents by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Boston which appear to be copies of a letter addressed to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar on behalf of the Al-Kifah Refugee Center office in Boston. The letter makes mention of two previous face-to-face meetings, including one with Saifur Rahman Halimi (previously cited in this report as Hekmatyar’s representative in the West) and another that apparently took place in the context of Hekmatyar’s aforementioned conference with Arab mujahideen at Char Asyab near Kabul. According to the letter:

“To his presence the virtuous brother and prince, engineer Kalb Al-Deen Hikmatyar, May God protect him... We, those who love you, from the Boston Office write to you asking for your direction for us in matters concerning serving the Jihad for the cause of Allah. As you know we have vowed our support through your deputy, brother Saif Al-Rahman Haleemy, in New York two years ago. - http://powerbase.info/images/9/93/Kohlmann%27s_Expert_Report_in_US_v._Muntasser_et_al.pdf

The man mentioned, Saif Halimi, went to the same mosque and lived in the same Queens Ny building as Najibullah Zazi (1).

Najibullah Zazi was arrested in September 2009 as part of a U.S. Al Qaeda group accused of planning suicide bombings on the New York City Subway system.
This plot also included Adnan el-Shukrijumah.

In June, 2010, anonymous U.S. counter-terrorism officials told the Associated Press that Najibullah Zazi had met with Adnann el-Shukrijumah in a camp in Pakistan. -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Gulshair_el_Shukrijumah

So there is a connection here between the Al Kifah Centre and Adnan Shukrijumah who attended the Islamic Society of Sarasota at the time the Hamburg cell were in the area, according to Wissam Hammoud. Adnan's father Gulshair was said to be an associate of the Blind Sheikh.


(1) American Jihadist Terrorism: Combating a Complex Threat, Google Books, p.35
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 14, 2017, 12:23:48 pm
3 terrorists all at the same US university at the same time.
who recruited who.

WASHINGTON – The brother-in-law of alleged terrorist
co-conspirator Sami al-Arian attended engineering
classes at the same college and time as the suspected
mastermind behind the Sept. 11 terror plot, records at
the North Carolina college show.

The overlap raises questions about the extent of
al-Arian’s ties to terrorist groups. He and his
brother-in-law, Mazen al-Najjar, have been accused by
federal authorities of supporting Hamas, a Palestinian
militia responsible for anti-Israeli suicide bombings,
through an elaborate network of terrorist front groups
and fund-raising arms.

Al-Najjar, a Palestinian refugee, was arrested in 1997
and deported last year. Al-Arian, who also attended
college in North Carolina, awaits trial on federal
conspiracy charges related to Mideast terrorist
activities. He was arrested last week.

The confluence of Islamic radicals – known then as
“the mullahs” – on the North Carolina Agricultural &
Technical State University (N.C. A&T) campus in
Greensboro also suggests the Sept. 11 conspiracy
traces its roots to North Carolina, not Florida, and
goes all the way back to the 1980s.

Connections to Kuwait
Khalid Sheikh was born or grew up in Kuwait
Al-Arian has said his family was approached by Kuwaiti intelligence in 1966.

CIA network
In 2002 Investigators traced funds from IIIT (CIA) to al-Arian, who had been accused of heading the U.S. wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 18, 2017, 11:42:50 am
FBI agents who visited Herb Hortman at his flight school after 911 told him they had Ziad Jarrah under surveillance but had lost track of him.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on May 20, 2017, 12:29:42 pm
The UAE wants to arrest future 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah, but US officials say they will track him instead, according to United Arab Emirates (UAE) officials. It is unknown if the US officials actually do so. On January 30, 2000, Jarrah is stopped and questioned as he is transiting through the airport in Dubai, UAE. Officials at the airport have agreed to help the CIA by monitoring or questioning suspicious militants passing through there
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on June 15, 2017, 11:41:02 am
Arthur Lowrie, an 'advisor' at MacDill AFB, home of Special Operations Command, says he was deceived by Sami Al Arian. Lowrie had worked hard to promote Al Arian and his organisation and helped him organise political roundtable discussions at the University of South Florida. This is before the FBI discovered Al Arian had run a Middle Eastern terrorist organisation.

Unfortunately this is not the first time US Special Forces, whose primary justification for existing is to fight terrorists, has been duped by actual terrorists.

In a remarkably similar story, Ali Mohamed was allowed to operate at Fort Bragg as a drill instructor and to participate in political discussions there whilst he was also helping to blow up the World Trace Centre for the Blind Sheikh and helping Osama bin Laden build the Al Qaeda organisation worldwide.

It has been reported that Mohamed's bizarre activities at Fort Bragg were protected by 'his supervisor' there, the Director of Middle East Studies, Norvell B. De Atkine.

De Atkie had graduated in 'Arab Studies' from the American University of Beirut, a hotbed of PLO activity. And not only was De Atkine in Egypt when the Sadat assassination happened, he was actually 100ft away when Ali Mohamed's cell carried it out. Sadat was assassinated because he had made peace with Israel and it was said of Sami Al Arians PIJ that they would launch a terror attack on Israel every time the Saudis wanted to sabotage the Middle East Peace Process.

De Atkine's response to 9/11 was to try and promote his favourite book, The Arab Mind, which he taught to all his students (and was taught to interrogators at Abu Ghraib). "One must understand the social and cultural environment in which they lived" he wrote "and this book does a great deal to further that understanding."

To understand them though, one must also understand how they operated: how infiltrated the West, how they infiltrated its institutions and who helped them out along the way and fortunately for those like De Atkine and Lowrie, there is no book for that.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/27/TampaBay/Staunch_Al_Arian_supp.shtml
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on July 30, 2017, 05:01:05 pm
I wonder whether Nawaf and Khalid's friendship with Saudi naval officers stationed in the US had anything to do with the success of the USS Cole bombing plot.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on August 30, 2017, 04:24:37 pm
One small area of Virginia, Baileys Crossroads, connects:

Ptech, BMI, WAMY, Omar al-Bayoumi, Osama Basnan, Anwar Al-Aulaqi, Abdullah Bin Laden and Ali al-Tamimi.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on August 30, 2017, 04:47:08 pm
On July 22, 1991, the U.S. branch of IIRO (“The International Relief Organization, IRO”) was first officially established at 360 S. Washington St. in Falls Church, Virginia by Dr. Sulaiman bin Ali Al-Ali, wealthy businessman, member of IIRO’s Executive Committee, and a member of the Shura (Consultative) Council of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

On January 18, 1996, Sulaiman bin Al-Ali reported to Arab journalists that Prince Bandar ibn Sultan, Saudi Ambassador in Washington, had donated SR500,000 worth of computer equipment directly to the IIRO office in Washington D.C.

According to the deposition of Dr. Al-Ali’s former U.S. business partner Soliman Beheiri, Al-Ali came to the United States in the Summer of 1991 to establish IIRO. Beheiri stated that Al-Ali came to the United States with $10 million dollars to invest through IIRO and Sana-Bell, with the goal of generating a sufficient return on investment to support IIRO’s mission in the United States.

Beheiri further testified how, in November 1991, Sulaiman Al- Ali introduced Biheiri to Dr. Abdulrahim Saati, a university professor of economics in Jeddah. Al-Ali introduced Saati as a “welcoming from Saudi Arabia from the office of the International Islamic Relief Organization to visit his office here to find out how he’s progressing in establishing the organization here, and also assisting them in buying the building they have bought in Falls Church.”

Sana-Bell, Inc. (the U.S. branch of Sanabel Al-Kheer) was organized as a District of Columbia non-profit company on July 28, 1989. Dr. Sulaiman Al-Ali was himself later named as a member of Sana-Bell’s Investment Committee and claimed to be the sole corporate executive responsible for executing and managing Sana-Bell investments.

In July 1998, Dr. Abdullah Al- Obaid, Secretary General of the Muslim World League and Chairman of IIRO, wrote to Mirza and indicated that Al-Ali was a “member of the Executive Committee” of Sanabell S.A. of IIRO, and that he assisted in the review of its investments.

IIRO’s form 1023 discloses that Sulaiman Al-Ali had strong relationships with other Islamic relief organizations, specifically, the Kuwaiti based Lajnat al-Dawa. On January 9, 2003, the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the United States Department of Treasury listed the Kuwaiti Lajnat al-Dawa as a specially designated global terrorist (SDGT), and blocked all of its assets pursuant to the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. Lajant al-Dawa was a critical component of the Al-Qaeda network, delivering both financial and operational support. Indeed, during a videotaped interview from the late 1980’s, Al-Qaeda founder Abdullah Azzam mentioned two relief organizations that supported the Arab Mujahideen in Afghanistan. One of those organizations was the Kuwaiti Lajnat al-Dawa. Recently captured 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and his older brother Zahed headed the Lajnat al-Dawa operations in Peshawar, Pakistan.

Al-Ali’s business associate Bachir Kabbara had formerly served as the Imam of the radical Islamic Center of Tucson, Arizona from 1990 to 1992. One of Bachir Kabbara’s predecessors as leader of the Tucson center was none other than MWL official and senior Bin Laden advisor Wael Jalaidan himself. Between 1985 and 1993 (including times at which Kabbara was in charge), the Islamic Center of Tucson served as the de-facto headquarters of Al- Qaida in the United States. The mosque was integral in disseminating Al-Jihad, the Arabic- language publication of the Peshawar, Pakistan-based “Mujahideen Services Office.” As a result, the Islamic Center spawned the Al-Kifah Refugee Center, the Arab-Afghan jihad fundraising outlet tied to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. While he lived in Arizona, Wadih el-Hage, Usama Bin Laden’s former personal secretary, was a regular attendee at the Tucson mosque at this time.

In December 1992, Dr. Al-Ali transferred over $2.1 million in Sana-Bell charitable assets to investment projects controlled by BMI, Inc. (a.k.a. Bait ul-Mal), a company founded in Secaucus, New Jersey by Soliman Beheiri.

According to an Affidavit filed by Wright, Yassin Kadi put up $820,000 for a real estate deal structured to funnel proceeds to Hamas operative Mohammed Salah. Moreover, “a note specifying that $820,000 was due and payable on December 31, 1993, [provided] that, ‘All payments are to be made to Kadi International Corp., c/o BMI, Inc., One Harmon Plaza, Secaucus, New Jersey.’”

In 1987, BMI also arranged the $24 million sale of land owned by New Jersey Governor Thomas Kean to Fathi Tolba, a Saudi investor. Kean would later lead the commission investigating the attacks of September 11, 2001.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 05, 2017, 05:01:06 pm
Al Hazmis Mexican wife story has change over time:

"Shaikh became friendly with Alhazmi and at one point helped his tenant compose a personal ad seeking a Mexican wife. They posted it on a Web site, but "no one responded," Shaikh reportedly told the San Diego Union-Tribune."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/09/24/san-diegans-see-area-as-likely-target/165a47cb-8e4a-4102-a7d2-639a3e36c10d/?utm_term=.d16252a2d3ed

However he told a different story to 911 Commission:

"Al-Hazmi was using an internet webpage with the address,"muslimmarriage.com" to locate a wife. Al-Hazmi received a response, from an Egyptian woman who E-mailed him. To Dr. Xxxxxx's knowledge, al-Hazmi did not respond to the E-mail. Al-Hazmi also asked Dr. Xxxxxx to help him find an American husband for his sister in Saudi Arabia."

https://www.scribd.com/document/15877639/9-11-Commission-MFR-for-FBI-Informer-Abdussattar-Shaikh

I couldnt find muslimmarriage dot com. Someone did register it in late Sept 2001 but it was not activated for years. There was a muslimmarriagejunction dot com active from 1999. Seems to be something to do with Nation of Islam.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on September 07, 2017, 04:56:57 pm

Benomrane has told us where the hijackers lived in L.A. Thumairy was housing the hijackers, and got caught lying about it.

But Benomrane is going to give more information......

Forum member Shure asked a few people about some information in this thread and they seem very uncomfortable talking about it......

9/11 Unmasked - Who is Qualid Benomrane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OszdR2C6E4c
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 10, 2017, 03:16:08 pm
During part of the four-year period, the money trail passed through an address in the 2200 block of Kentucky Ave. in Baltimore, where a friend of Majida Ibrahim Ahmad's, Vuthaina Chakrouf, forwarded the Saudi checks to San Diego.

Chakrouf, an American citizen who became friends with Majida Ibrahim Ahmad while a nursing student in their native Jordan, agreed to forward the checks to San Diego. She said she never opened the envelopes but put them into new envelopes addressed to her friend in California.

"She asked me if she could use my address. She needed someone to send the money there," Chakrouf recounted in a telephone interview. She said Majida Ibrahim Ahmad expressed fear that the Saudi government would stop the payments if officials knew she had moved to California. But Chakrouf didn't say why Majida Ibrahim Ahmad thought that. 


Chakrouf worked as a registered nurse in Maryland.
Apparently though this is merely coincidental to the supposed medical purpose of these payments.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on September 11, 2017, 10:04:55 am
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/09/saudi-government-accused-of-funding-dry-run-for-911-jihad-attacks
Saudi government accused of funding dry run for 9/11 jihad attacks

September 9, 2017 3:21 pm By Robert Spencer

It also seems to have been involved in the 9/11 jihad attacks themselves. The 28-page section of the 9/11 report detailing Saudi involvement in the September 11, 2001 jihad attacks has finally been released (albeit with substantial portions still redacted), and it is now clear why one President who held hands with the Saudi King and another who bowed to him worked so hard all these years to keep these pages secret: they confirm that the 9/11 jihad murderers received significant help from people at the highest levels of the Saudi government.

The report states that Omar al-Bayoumi, who “may be a Saudi intelligence officer,” gave “substantial assistance to hijackers Khalid al-Mindhar and Nawaf al-Hamzi after they arrived in San Diego in February 2000. Al-Bayoumi met the hijackers at a public place shortly after his meeting with an individual at the Saudi consulate.” Around the same time, al-Bayoumi “had extensive contact with Saudi Government establishments in the United States and received financial support from a Saudi company affiliated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense.” That company “reportedly had ties to Usama bin Ladin and al-Qa’ida.”

Another possible Saudi agent, Osama Bassnan, who “has many ties to the Saudi government” and was also a supporter of Osama bin Laden, boasted that he did more for al-Mindhar and al-Hamzi than al-Bayoumi did. He also “reportedly received funding and possibly a fake passport from Saudi government officials.” The report says that at one point, “a member of the Saudi Royal Family provided Bassnan with a significant amount of cash,” and that “he and his wife have received financial support from the Saudi ambassador to the United States and his wife.” That ambassador was Prince Bandar, about whom the New York Times later noted: “No foreign diplomat has been closer or had more access to President Bush, his family and his administration than the magnetic and fabulously wealthy Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia.”

Then there was Shaykh al-Thumairy, “an accredited diplomat at the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles and one of the ‘imams’ at the King Fahad mosque in Culver City, California,” who also “may have been in contact” with al-Mindhar and al-Hamzi.

Saleh al-Hussayen, “reportedly a Saudi Interior Ministry official, stayed at the same hotel in Herndon, Virginia where al-Hazmi was staying. While al-Hussayen claimed after September 11 not to know the hijackers, FBI agents believed he was being deceptive. He was able to depart the United States despite FBI efforts to locate and re-interview him.” Who got him out of the country?

There is much more. The report redacts the name of “another Saudi national with close ties to the Saudi Royal Family,” but notes that he “is the subject of FBI counterterrorism investigations and reportedly was checking security at the United States’ southwest border in 1999 and discussing the possibility of infiltrating individuals into the United States.” There is no telling who this could have been, but Prince Bandar’s unlisted phone number turned up in a phone book of Abu Zubaida, “a senior al-Qa’ida operative captured in Pakistan in March 2002.” Abu Zubaida also had the number of “a bodyguard at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, DC.”

The report also mentions a CIA memorandum that “discusses alleged financial connections between the September 11 hijackers, Saudi Government officials, and members of the Saudi Royal Family. This memorandum was passed on to an FBI investigator; yet “despite the clear national implications of the CIA memorandum, the FBI agent included the memorandum in an individual case file and did not forward it to FBI Headquarters.” Why?

There is still more, and with this much smoke, there is almost certainly fire: the Saudi connection to 9/11 goes to the highest levels of the Saudi government.

...

“Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11,” by Paul Sperry, New York Post, September 9, 2017:
...

During a November 1999 America West flight to Washington, Qudhaeein and Shalawi are reported to have tried multiple times to gain access to the cockpit of the plane in an attempt to test flight-deck security in advance of the hijackings.

“After they boarded the plane in Phoenix, they began asking the flight attendants technical questions about the flight that the flight attendants found suspicious,” according to a summary of the FBI case files.

“When the plane was in flight, al-Qudhaeein asked where the bathroom was; one of the flight attendants pointed him to the back of the plane,” it added. “Nevertheless, al-Qudhaeein went to the front of the plane and attempted on two occasions to enter the cockpit.”

The pilots were so spooked by the Saudi passengers and their aggressive behavior that they made an emergency landing in Ohio. On the ground there, police handcuffed them and took them into custody. Though the FBI later questioned them, it decided not to pursue prosecution.

But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi. Then, in November 2000, the FBI received reporting that Shalawi trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and had received explosives training to perform attacks on American targets. The bureau also suspected Qudhaeein was a Saudi intelligence agent, based on his frequent contact with Saudi officials.

More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.

The FBI also confirmed that Qudhaeein’s and Shalawi’s airline tickets for the pre-9/11 dry run were paid for by the Saudi Embassy.

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http://nypost.com/2017/09/09/saudi-government-allegedly-funded-a-dry-run-for-911/
Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11
By Paul Sperry
September 9, 2017

Fresh evidence submitted in a major 9/11 lawsuit moving forward against the Saudi Arabian government reveals its embassy in Washington may have funded a “dry run” for the hijackings carried out by two Saudi employees, further reinforcing the claim that employees and agents of the kingdom directed and aided the 9/11 hijackers and plotters.

Two years before the airliner attacks, the Saudi Embassy paid for two Saudi nationals, living undercover in the US as students, to fly from Phoenix to Washington “in a dry run for the 9/11 attacks,” alleges the amended complaint filed on behalf of the families of some 1,400 victims who died in the terrorist attacks 16 years ago.

The court filing provides new details that paint “a pattern of both financial and operational support” for the 9/11 conspiracy from official Saudi sources, lawyers for the plaintiffs say. In fact, the Saudi government may have been involved in underwriting the attacks from the earliest stages — including testing cockpit security.

“We’ve long asserted that there were longstanding and close relationships between al Qaeda and the religious components of the Saudi government,” said Sean Carter, the lead attorney for the 9/11 plaintiffs. “This is further evidence of that.”
...

Paul Sperry is a former Hoover Institution media fellow and author of “Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington.”
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 11, 2017, 03:05:14 pm
But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi.

Zakaria Mustapha Soubra was driving the car. Soubra drove the two to the airport on the day they behaved weirdly.

Al-Muhjiroun identified itself as the eyes, ears and mouth of Osama bin Laden.

The intelligence indicated that the organization was setting up a chapter at ERAU’s Prescott campus.

Two young Middle Eastern men, Zakaria Mustapha Soubra and Ghassa al-Sharbi, were attending ERAU at the time.

The two students were printing Al-Muhjiroun propaganda and passing it out to other students on campus in an effort to get people to join the organization. They were rooming together in a motel on Highway 89.

In 2000, Kenneth Williams, later author of the Phoenix Memo, and his FBI colleagues were sent to interview Soubra and al-Sharbi.

As they entered the hotel room, Williams noticed there were several photos of known Jihad warriors (Mujahideen) on the walls. “It was almost like they had a little shrine set up to these guys, so we knew we were onto a true believer who believed in this radical ideology,” Williams said.

Williams and his colleagues asked about Al-Muhjiroun in the interview, but received little response.

One thing Soubra said, which Williams later testified to, was “I consider you, your country, and the FBI a legitimate military target of Islam,” Williams related.
https://www.dcourier.com/news/2016/nov/18/911s-phoenix-memo-fbi-agent-author-prescott-warnin/

2011
On July 10, 2001, an FBI agent in Phoenix wrote a memo raising serious concerns about Middle Eastern men attending U.S. flight schools.  The memo never made its way up the chain of command. The document still hasn’t been released, and yesterday it was the subject of a closed-door Senate Intelligence Committee session. Recently, I had the chance to read the memo – apparently the first journalist to have done so.

The memo was written by Phoenix FBI Special Agent Kenneth J. Williams, described as a member of “Squad 16,” and it was approved by a man named William A. Kurtz.  The title reads: “Zakaria Mustapha Soubra; IT-OTHER (Islamic Army of the Caucasus).”  The “synopsis” says: “Usama bin Laden and Al-Muhjiroun supporters attending civil aviation universities/colleges in Arizona.” 

Soubra, the memo said, was a student at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Ariz.  (According to the Los Angeles Times, he was questioned by FBI agents in 2000, after he was observed at a shooting range with another Muslim, who was a veteran of Islamic jihads in the Balkans and the Middle East.   No charges were brought against him, and he is currently a senior at Embry-Riddle.)  The organization named in the memo’s title, the Islamic Army of the Caucasus, is based in Chechnya and was at one time headed by a man named Amir Khattab, who, according to news reports, is suspected of having ties to Osama bin laden.

The Williams memo included the names of several Middle Eastern students, one identified as a “Saudi national,” who were apparently students at Embry-Riddle at the time.  One reason FBI officials have given for not releasing the memo is that several of these individuals are still under investigation.
http://fortune.com/2011/10/12/fbis-phoenix-memo-unmasked/

Al-Qudhaieen was an acquaintance of Zakaria Soubra, an Arizona student who was named in a pre-Sept. 11 FBI memo written by Kenneth Williams, a Phoenix FBI agent. The memo warned that Al-Qaeda could be training terrorist pilots in the United States.

Arrested on a visa violation, Soubra was deported to Lebanon in May after testifying to a federal grand jury in Virginia. Soubra, who was given immunity for his testimony, has never been charged.

In a recent phone interview from Beirut, Soubra said he was questioned about Al-Qudhaieen and added he did not have any connections to terrorists, did not know anything about the attacks and said the FBI had ruined his life.
http://www.arabnews.com/node/236811

Both Qudhaieen and al-Shalawi had PhDs from an "unaccredited university" in Tucson, Az. Associates of Qudhaieen knew hijacker Hani Hanour.

Al-Shalawi attempted to re-enter the United States in August of 2001.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 17, 2017, 04:42:57 pm
Sami al-Arian and Khalid Sheikh Mohamed are both from Kuwait
Both are refugees from somewhere else
Al Arian and KSM both visited the USA
Al Arian's brother in law and KSM both attended the same University in the USA
Their years their overlap
Al Arian also attended university in the same state
Both Al Arian and KSM have been accused of masterminding terrorist organisations, PIJ and Al Qaeda respectively.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 22, 2017, 11:09:15 am
28 pages -
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"The FBI is aware of contact between the hijackers and a close friend of Bassnan’s, Khaled al-Kayed, a commercial airline pilot and certified flight instructor living in San Diego. Al-Kayed admitted to the FBI that in May 2000, al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi contacted him about learning to fly Boeing jet aircraft;"

This man worked at Sorbi's Flying Club as a flight instructor.

Sorbi's flying club was run by an Iranian man in San Diego named Fred Sorbi and visited by 911 hijackers. I have always been suspicious of this. There cannot be that many Iranian flight school owners in the US in the first place.

So it turns out one of the flight Instructors there was an Arabic man named Khaled al-Kayed and he was also friends with Osama Basnan, "an extremist and supporter of Osama bin Laden".

Sounds legit. Better not investigate any further.

A background check on his name produced a man linked to MEDITERRANEAN CAFE LOUNGE and MEDITERRANEAN CAFE GRILL. What were these.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 22, 2017, 01:21:38 pm
A background check on The Saudi Arabian Cultural Mission to the US at 8500 Hilltop Rd, Fairfax, VA 22031, shows addresses identified as linked to 9/11 are also linked to the Saudi Government.

https://www.myrelatives.com/address-lookup/va/fairfax/h/hilltop/8500

Seminary, Falls Church
6147 Leesburg Pike, Falls Church
and George Mason, Falls Church

are all obvious without much looking
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 22, 2017, 01:44:34 pm
Is this person a relative of Abdusattar Shakih?  -  https://www.myrelatives.com/d/ZARINA-CHHIPA/135878002

You can see she uses the names Chhipa and there is a Shaikh as possible relative.
She is associated with Khalil A Khalil which if im not mistaken is the guy at King Fahd Mosque

Also there is the name Safiya.
Safia Shaikh, also on the list, is currently living in Culver City. According to published reports, she said she separated from her husband, Abdussattar, five years ago. Her husband still lives in Lemon Grove in San Diego County. I wasn’t able to reach Shaikh, but she told the Associated Press she didn’t know the hijackers. -  http://www.laweekly.com/content/printView/2133934
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 22, 2017, 01:54:15 pm
https://www.scribd.com/document/20556903/MFR-NARA-T1A-Saudi-Arabia-Khalil-Khalil-a-2-24-04-01252

Khalil was one of 4 people at the Bin Laden Gulf War offer to Saudi Arabia meeting.

Did Shaikh know this man? Shaikh was respected in San Diego Muslim community.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 24, 2017, 10:58:44 am
I believe the owner of the Med Gourmet restaurant where the hijackers had a meeting was Charif K Charif, a relative of Kamel Charif, whom Khalil al-Khalil told the 911 Commission was one of four men running an extremist cell at the KF mosque.

Another member he mentioned appears to be Abdo Ghanem who is associated with an address nearby.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on September 24, 2017, 11:23:25 am
Shuaib says he kicked out four members of the mosque in October 2001, in part because they were fomenting dissent and extremism.

One of them was Abdo Ghanem, 39, a Yemeni native who joined the mosque community 13 years ago when it was still housed in a rented storefront on Venice Boulevard, half a mile from the King Fahd Mosque.

Ghanem, a designer-clothes salesman, seems like an unlikely militant. He has an open manner and wears Versace suits and Gucci shoes. He is married to a Catholic and says he has not pressured her to convert. He praises America's political freedoms even as he castigates its moral decadence. And he confesses to an imperfect observance of Islam's do's and don'ts--forsaking a beard, for instance, because he says his wife thinks he's cuter without one.

But Ghanem volunteers that he chauffeured Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman around the Southland in 1993, two years before the blind imam was convicted of conspiring to blow up New York landmarks and imprisoned for life.

Ghanem says he agreed with Abdel Rahman's call to assassinate Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak on the grounds that he was killing fellow Muslims with a repressive and torturous regime.

Ghanem also says he supports jihad against Saudi Arabia and Israel, but stops short of calling for war against America, saying only that U.S. foreign policies against Muslim nations should be changed.

28 Pages
The FBI has also developed additional information clearly indicating that Bassnan is an extremist and supporter of Usama Bin Ladin. In 1993, the FBI became aware that Bassnan had hosted a party for the Blind Shaykh at his house in Washington, DC in October 1992. Bassnan has made many laudatory remarks to FBI assets about Bin Ladin, referring to Bin Ladin as the official Khalifate and the ruler of the Islamic world. According to an FBI asset, Bassnan spoke of Bin Ladin “as if he were a god.” According to FBI documents, Bassnan also knew Bin Ladin’s family in Saudi Arabia and speaks on his mobile telephone with members of the family who are living in the United States.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 02, 2017, 07:14:26 am
Anwar al-Aulaqi may have been in the Yemen when the USS Cole bombing happened. According to Wade Ammerman's interview with the 9/11 Commission, Aulaqi left San Diego for the Yemen in "September or October 2000."

USS Cole happened October 12, 2000.

His Wikipedia page skips over this time period and makes no mention of the USS Cole, except to say "The governor of Shabwa said in January 2010 that al-Awlaki was on the move with members of al-Qaeda, including Fahd al-Quso, who was wanted in connection with the bombing of the USS Cole."

Aulaqi had been in San Diego associating with Khalid al Midhar whose family ran an Al Qaeda communications hub in the Yemen and who was also in the Yemen at this time. "On June 10, 2000, Mihdhar left the United States and returned to Yemen to visit his wife."

The cell in California had been in contact with at least 3 Saudi Naval officers stationed at US bases,  such as Osama Nooh and Lafi al Harbi, who may have had access to classified ship locations.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 02, 2017, 11:59:24 am
Quote
Bayazid's name had previously come up because he used Benevolence's street address in Palos Hills on his Illinois driver's license. Bayazid allegedly was carrying the license in December 1994 when he was stopped--along with bin Laden's brother and brother-in-law--by authorities in San Francisco.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-01-30/news/0301300351_1_islamic-charity-benevolence-international-foundation-enaam-arnaout

Were there two bin Ladens in this car? I had thought only Jamal Khalifa.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 03, 2017, 12:47:33 pm
In the fall of 1994 Agent Bell sought to arrange an interview of Ali Mohamed by having an FBI agent in California contact Ali Mohamed's wife to advise her that the FBI wished to interview Ali Mohamed.

On or about December 9, 1994 he interviewed Ali Mohamed in San Jose, California in the company of Assistant United States Attorney Andrew C. McCarthy who was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Southern District of New York.

Mohammed Jamal Khalifa and Mohamed Loay Bayazid in California were arrested just a short drive from Mohamed's home on Dec. 16, 1994.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 04, 2017, 10:48:40 am
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In the 20-20 hindsight of September 11, John O'Neill's confidential briefings in the mid-nineties "were right on, in terms of these kinds of people and what they could potentially do to us," says Robert Blitzer, a former deputy of O'Neill's. "Just the scope of their infrastructure in the U.S. -- and inherent to that is the fact that they could go operational at any time."

I thought they had no support network
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on October 06, 2017, 09:09:58 am
SEPTEMBER 14, 2017 AT 5:23 AM
FBI probe of tie between Saudi ambassador, al Qaeda leader put on ice

For 14 years, the FBI kept secret that a top al Qaeda leader captured in Pakistan in 2002 possessed the unlisted phone number of an offshore company tied to Saudi Arabia’s U.S. ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

The news got out last year after President Obama ordered the release of the “28 pages,” a long-suppressed chapter of a 2003 congressional report on 9/11. Also disclosed: FBI agents in Denver were assigned to investigate the company, ASPCOL Corporation, which the FBI described as “the umbrella corporation that manages the Colorado residence of Prince Bandar.”

But agents assigned to investigate ASPCOL, whose unlisted number was found in the phone book of “high-value” Guantanamo detainee Abu Zubaydah, quickly suspended the probe.

“The Denver office did not attempt to make any local inquiries about ASPCOL, as they believed that any inquiries regarding ASPCOL would be quickly known by Prince Bandar’s employees,” the 28 pages said. “Due to the sensitivity of this matter, they decided to hold the investigation of ASPCOL in abeyance until they received additional guidance from FBI headquarters.”

The guidance Washington gave its Denver agents is not known, and FBI spokesmen won’t discuss it. It now appears, however, that the FBI never restarted its suspended investigation. Two witnesses told Florida Bulldog the FBI never contacted them to inquire about ASPCOL.

http://www.floridabulldog.org/2017/09/fbi-probe-of-tie-between-saudi-ambassador-al-qaeda-leader-put-on-ice/
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on November 06, 2017, 10:07:09 am
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9/11 Commission Director: No Evidence that CIA Sought to Recruit Hijackers
NOVEMBER 3, 2017 | PHILIP ZELIKOW

In our continuing drive to spur healthy debate in the national security space, The Cipher Brief is sharing this op-ed from Philip Zelikow, the Former Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, responding to a particular allegation about CIA information sharing with the FBI before the attacks of Sept. 11 on New York and Washington. We also invite you to join in the conversation, posting your point of view for submission at our new link at the bottom of this article, POV.

Recently, in September 2017, the History Channel aired an episode of a documentary on “The Road to 9/11” that repeated a disturbing allegation that CIA leaders, possibly including Director George Tenet, intentionally chose to withhold vital information from the FBI that might have prevented the 9/11 attack.

The allegation is that CIA leaders did this so that the agency could try to recruit al-Qaeda operatives whom they knew to be in the United States. I have been asked about this allegation from time to time over the more than thirteen years since the 9/11 Commission published its report. This most recent repetition shows the need to put the point on the public record: there is no evidence to support this serious allegation.

The background is that in January 2000, the CIA’s Counterterrorist Center had learned that two terrorist suspects, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, men whom they were attempting to track in Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok, had obtained visas to visit the United States. The Center also learned in March that al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi had apparently traveled from Bangkok to Los Angeles back in January.

No one outside of the Counterterrorist Center was told any of this. An FBI agent detailed to the Center attempted to share this information with his headquarters; a CIA desk officer at the Center told him not to. Several hours later, this same desk officer drafted a cable distributed solely within CIA stating, incorrectly, that the visa documents had been shared with the FBI. The desk officer later admitted that she had not shared the information with the FBI and did not recall who had told her that the information had been shared.  (9/11 Commission Report, pp. 181-82 and notes on p. 502; also Commission Staff Statement #2.)

nformation and discussion about al-Mihdhar resurfaced in January, May and June 2001 in a series of investigative efforts that reopened examination of a terrorist meeting in Kuala Lumpur. For a set of complicated reasons that we detailed in our report, none of these discussions led to a focus on the presence of operatives in the United States or adequately alerted the FBI.

Finally, in yet another reexamination of the Kuala Lumpur material suggested by a CIA officer, an FBI analyst detailed to the CIA made the link that an al Qaeda operative might be in the United States, putting together the evidence during late July and the first weeks of August. By Aug. 24, a search effort for al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi had begun in the United States. For reasons we detail in the report, the search within the United States did not bear fruit in time to disrupt the 9/11 attack. (Report, pp. 266-72, 353-57.)

Former senior White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke and a former FBI agent, Mark Rossini, alleged in the History Channel program that the CIA failures to share information with the FBI appear to have been deliberate. This was because, they say, the CIA had hoped to recruit al-Mihdhar or al-Hazmi to become agency informants, a plan approved by Director of the CIA Tenet and CIA leadership. This is obviously a grave allegation.

There is no evidence that this allegation is true. There is plenty of evidence that it is false. The Commission’s investigators interviewed all the relevant individuals (including Mr. Clarke and Mr. Rossini), in the course of the overlapping investigations conducted by the Commission and the Inspector General of the Department of Justice. When those individuals were interviewed by the Commission and the Office of the Inspector General, they knew that if they lied they could face criminal prosecution. They also knew that we had access to the relevant internal CIA and FBI records, including electronic indications of who had accessed what records and all of the briefings prepared by the Counterterrorist Center every day for Director Tenet — so that we could check on what they were telling us. Although it is not cited in our report, the Commission also had access to the good work and interviews that had been conducted internally and separately by the CIA’s Inspector General.

If the “recruitment theory” posited by Clarke and Rossini were true, there would be evidence of a recruitment effort — some CIA attempt to locate and contact al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi. There is no such evidence. Nor was there any evidence of a recruitment plan or even the consideration of one. Instead, the evidence showed – as we detail in our Report – repeated confusion about who was being sought and where. There were several occasions during the work in the first half of 2001 when the dots might have been connected but, due to particular circumstances in each case, unfortunately this did not happen.

The dots did start getting connected in July 2001. And, contrary to the premise of the “recruitment theory,” this breakthrough happened because a persistent CIA officer, a man involved in much of the earlier work, asked an FBI analyst to look at the Kuala Lumpur materials one more time. As mentioned above, the subsequent search for al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi barely got underway before 9/11, for reasons that had little to do with the CIA.

https://www.thecipherbrief.com/column_article/911-commission-director-no-evidence-cia-sought-recruit-future-911-hijackers


There is so much built into Zelikow's version of 911 that i find hard to not take issue with.

His main theme is that there was no CIA recruitment effort for the 911 hijackers. I have never believed that, but i can see why people would say it, unlike him.

But he leaves open the main question of why the information was not shared with the FBI.

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No one outside of the Counterterrorist Center was told any of this. An FBI agent detailed to the Center attempted to share this information with his headquarters; a CIA desk officer at the Center told him not to. Several hours later, this same desk officer drafted a cable distributed solely within CIA stating, incorrectly, that the visa documents had been shared with the FBI. The desk officer later admitted that she had not shared the information with the FBI and did not recall who had told her that the information had been shared.  (9/11 Commission Report, pp. 181-82 and notes on p. 502; also Commission Staff Statement #2.)

So much of this just sounds like terrible backtracking on history.
Maybe its true and Zelikow found the one and only truth but it just look like a cover up.

for example:

this same desk officer drafted a cable stating, that the visa documents had been shared with the FBI. The desk officer later admitted that she had not shared the information with the FBI.

Lets just hope she didnt admit that under repeated waterboarding.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on November 15, 2017, 08:00:18 am
In a powerful sworn statement, the FBI agent who led a 400-member Los Angeles-based task force on the 9/11 attacks has accused the 9/11 Commission of making “incorrect” statements to the American public about his team’s investigative findings.

Now-retired FBI agent Stephen K. Moore said in a declaration filed last week in federal court in New York City that the 9/11 Commission misstated his team’s findings.

“Based on evidence we gathered during the course of our investigation, I concluded that diplomatic and intelligence personnel of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia knowingly provided material support to the two 9/11 hijackers and facilitated the 9/11 plot. My colleagues in our investigation shared that conclusion,” Moore said in his statement filed on behalf of thousands of 9/11 survivors and the relatives of nearly 3,000 dead.

http://www.floridabulldog.org/2017/11/ex-fbi-agent-says-911-commission-misled-public/
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on November 15, 2017, 08:11:45 am
Moore said PENTTBOM investigators also found evidence of “extensive” contact between Bayoumi and Thumairy, both by phone and in person at the King Fahad mosque where Thumairy personally directed Bayoumi “regarding the assistance need by Hazmi and Mihdhar.”

“We also learned that Thumairy invited (hijacker) Hazmi to lead the prayers at the King Fahad Mosque where Thumairy was an Imam. We determined that this was a significant and unusual honor for Thumairy to bestow on Hazmi, a young Saudi visitor who was not even a member of the mosque, and showed that Thumairy had an awareness of Hazmi’s mission,” Moore said.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on November 21, 2017, 10:07:52 am
Bin Laden and Herndon, Virginia
by Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem Post

June 20, 2001


Islamist terrorism has afflicted nearly every Western country and is likely to get worse. One reason is the radicals' aggressiveness; another is the feeble Western response. I personally experienced both of these problems just this past week.

This story began in early 1998, when John Miller of ABC News sought an interview with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. Needing an intermediary, his producers found Tarik Hamdi of Herndon, Virginia, a self-described journalist who helped make contacts and then accompanied the ABC news team to Afghanistan.

Hamdi, it turned out, had his own purposes for traveling there; he was to bring Bin Laden a replacement battery for his vital link with the outside world, his satellite telephone. From the remoteness of Afghanistan, Bin Laden could not simply order a battery himself and have it overnighted to him. He needed someone unsuspected to bring it. So, one of Bin Laden's top aides ordered a replacement battery on May 11, 1998, and arranged for it to be shipped to Hamdi at his home in Herndon. Hamdi took off for Afghanistan with Miller on May 17 and shortly afterward personally delivered the battery.

Just over two months later, two bombs went off nearly simultaneously at the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and wounding thousands.

When the US government brought four of the embassy bombers to trial in New York City this year, it focused on the phone powered by the battery from Herndon; assistant US attorney Kenneth Karas called it "the phone that Bin Laden and the others will use to carry out their war against the United States." The trial also established Hamdi's centrality to Bin Laden.

After five months, a jury found all four bombers guilty of all 302 charges against them, validating the prosecutor's interpretation of Hamdi's role.

Which is where I come in.

Explaining this guilty verdict in The Wall Street Journal on May 31, I co-authored an article with Steven Emerson arguing in favor of this outcome, but pointing out that it did little to protect American lives; defeating Bin Ladin and his murderous gang will require the US government to deploy armed forces, not policemen and lawyers.

The article then focused on the huge body of evidence made public in the trial proceedings, noting that Bin Laden had "set up a tightly organized system of cells" in six American cities, including the small town of Herndon - an allusion to Hamdi.

Picking up on this reference, Jeannie Baumann, a reporter at The Herndon Observer, contacted us to learn more. Emerson explained to her Hamdi's role and several times referred her to the complete court transcripts available in the Internet. But Baumann spurned his offers, replying that her newspaper is "not equipped to handle such information." Instead of doing research, Baumann turned to Herndon's police chief, Toussaint E. Summers Jr., for an opinion. He in turn called the FBI, which told him nothing. From this lack of information, Summers blithely concluded that "there appears to be no truth... at all" to a Bin Laden-Herndon connection.

Baumann then cited this opinion to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), for a statement. Ibrahim Hooper, the spokesman for this Islamist organization (and sometime Bin Laden apologist), pounced on the police chief's statement and declared our Wall Street Journal article inaccurate and prejudicial against Muslims. Baumann's article, published on June 15, then carried the title "Police, Muslims Refute Herndon Link to Terrorism."

This episode clearly demonstrates three problematic Western responses to Islamist violence: Law enforcement officials resist the fact that this scourge exists in their jurisdictions. Reporters fail to do the spadework needed to dig out stories in their own backyards. And the most prominent Islamic organizations shamelessly talk away Islamist terrorism and smear anyone who points out the realities of this hideous phenomenon.

If Bin Laden and his band of killers are to be stopped, it will take more vigilance from law enforcement officers like Summers, better journalism from reporters like Baumann, and the rise of moderate Muslims who will take the microphone out of the hands of extremists like Hooper.

http://www.meforum.org/4017/bin-laden-and-herndon-virginia
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on November 21, 2017, 10:12:38 am
Miller is the son of Lucinda Miller of Manhattan and the late John J. Miller, a syndicated columnist and freelance writer whose range of roles included Hollywood gossip columnist, foreign correspondent, Broadway critic, crime investigator, and political pundit. His father was also a close friend of Luciano crime family boss Frank Costello, whose wife, Lauretta, was Miller's godmother.

In 2002, Miller married Emily Helen Altschul, daughter of banking mogul and Goldman Sachs Group partner Arthur Goodhart Altschul[6] and member of the Lehman family. Miller's brother-in-law, Arthur Altschul, Jr., worked for Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley

From 1994 to 1995, he served as deputy police commissioner of New York City, where he was the chief spokesman for the NYPD, a move that some of his colleagues considered "going over to the dark side."

Miller then worked as an ABC News correspondent from 1995 until January 2002, when he took the post of co-anchor with Barbara Walters of the ABC News program, 20/20. During his tenure at ABC, Miller is also recognized for covering the September 11, 2001 attacks, where he sat alongside Peter Jennings for the duration of the day listening in to radio conversations from the FBI, FDNY and NYPD, informing Jennings and viewers of their content.

In January 2003, he left ABC News to rejoin Bratton who by then was at the Los Angeles Police Department. Miller served as the police department's Bureau Chief for the Counter-Terrorism and Criminal Intelligence Bureau.


So just a random guy then...

There is a weird merger here between CIA and Al Qaeda.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on November 21, 2017, 10:24:29 am
Alleged Bin Laden Contact in Iraq Gov't
AP ^ | Aug 12, 2005
Posted on 12/08/2005, 07:03:21 by Leroy S. Mort

WASHINGTON (AP) - An American accused in court papers of having ties to Osama bin Laden is now working for the Iraqi government's Foreign Ministry, U.S. officials and a former CIA counterterrorism chief say.

Iraqi-born Tarik A. Hamdi was the ``American contact'' for one of bin Laden's front organizations and gave a satellite telephone battery to a bin Laden aide in Afghanistan for a phone used by the terrorist leader, according to an affidavit from Customs Agent David Kane.

The affidavit was unsealed this week in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., along with a federal indictment charging Hamdi with lying on immigration and mortgage loan applications.

Hamdi, formerly of Herndon, Va., is now working at Iraqi diplomatic offices in Turkey, said Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA official who has known Hamdi for years and remains in contact with him through e-mail.

Two U.S. law enforcement officials said they also have been told Hamdi is working for the Iraqi Foreign Ministry in Turkey. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the charges pending against Hamdi.

The State Department declined to comment. Newsweek first reported Hamdi's employment status in its online edition Wednesday.

Hamdi has been under federal investigation and surveillance for several years, stemming from his work at the International Institute of Islamic Thought in northern Virginia. The affidavit was filed in March 2002 to obtain a search warrant for Hamdi's home in Herndon, Va.

Prosecutors have contended at least since 2002 that Hamdi had ``established links'' to bin Laden and other members of al-Qaida, according to a court filing in the case against Zacarias Moussaoui.

Hamdi's role in supplying parts for a satellite telephone has been known to U.S. authorities at least since the 2001 trial of those accused of bombing U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

At the time of the Afghanistan trip, Hamdi was working to facilitate an interview of bin Laden by former ABC News correspondent John Miller, according to the affidavit and Cannistraro, an ABC consultant. The 1998 interview was the most recent of bin Laden by a western journalist.

``I was the one who made the arrangements for the interview. He had the contacts to the contacts,'' said Cannistraro. The FBI ``knew all about it at the time.''

Miller, who now oversees counterterrorism investigations for the Los Angeles Police Department, is on vacation this week, a police spokeswoman said. In a twist, Miller has been offered a job running the FBI's communications division, according to the bureau and Los Angeles police officials.

Cannistraro said he is troubled that prosecutors made public the allegations in the affidavit when they lacked the evidence to charge Hamdi with any terror-related crimes.

``They're making a prejudgment they are not capable of making,'' he said.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on November 21, 2017, 10:25:58 am
Vince Cannistraro

Hello Vince.  (Friends in Al Qaeda, aye?)

Vincent Cannistraro led the Afghanistan Working Group in the Reagan White House, when the US funded the Afghan mujahideen

Cannistraro ran the CIA's investigation of the Lockerbie bombing


Mr well placed
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on November 21, 2017, 10:42:38 am
constant Turkish theme to all of this

Farouk Hijazi is a former Iraqi government official who served the Iraqi government during the rulership of Saddam Hussein. Hijazi served as Hussein's Director of External Operations for the Mukhabarat, the Iraqi intelligence service for many years before becoming Iraq's ambassador to Turkey.

In February 1999, former CIA counter-terrorism official Vincent Cannistraro claimed that Farouk Hijazi had invited Osama bin Laden to live in Baghdad to be nearer to potential targets of terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Later, in 2003, Cannistraro claimed that bin Laden had rejected Hijazi's overtures, concluding that he did not want to be "exploited" by Iraq's secular regime.

The United States government claimed that while he was ambassador to Turkey, Hijazi made several trips in which he came into contact with members of al-Qaeda. Hijazi's alleged connections with high-ranking members of al-Qaeda served as one piece of information offered as evidence of an al-Qaeda link to Saddam Hussein used to justify the Second Persian Gulf War.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: Neuromancer on November 21, 2017, 01:21:13 pm
Another of the CIA counter-terrorism centre directors friends, no doubt, as he appears to have shared a Tampa address with Tariq Hamdi.

Ramadan Shalah (born February 1, 1958) is the leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ).

Professor Sami Al-Arian, who later pleaded guilty to helping PIJ and was sentenced to 57 months in prison, helped bring Shalah to Al-Arian's university in Tampa where Shalah then taught as an adjunct professor at the University of South Florida, and where Al-Arian appointed Shalah the head of WISE.

Shalah became secretary-general of PIJ after the assassination of its previous leader, Fathi Shiqaqi in Malta in 1995. Shalah was listed as a "Specially Designated Terrorist" under United States law on November 27, 1995.

Along with fellow PIJ member, Abd Al Aziz Awda, Shalah was indicted in a 53 count indictment in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida, Tampa, Florida, on Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) charges of alleged involvement in racketeering activities for the designated international terrorist organization known as Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Shalah is wanted for conspiracy to conduct the affairs of the PIJ through a pattern of racketeering activities such as bombings, murders, extortion, and money laundering.

For that indictment, Shalah then became one of six alleged and indicted terrorist fugitives among the second and most recent group of indicted fugitives to be added to the United States FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list on February 24, 2006, along with Abd Al Aziz Awda



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Ramadan Abdullah Mohammad Shallah is wanted for conspiracy to conduct the affairs of the designated international terrorist organization known as the "Palestinian Islamic Jihad" (PIJ) through a pattern of racketeering activities such as bombings, murders, extortions, and money laundering. Shallah was one of the original founding members of the PIJ and is presently the Secretary-General and leader of the organization, which has its headquarters located in Damascus, Syria. He was listed as a "Specially Designated Terrorist" under United States law on November 27, 1995. Shallah was indicted in a 53 count indictment in the United States District Court, Middle District of Florida, Tampa, Florida.

SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/ramadan-abdullah-mohammad-shallah
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on January 23, 2018, 04:52:46 am
The current Lawsuit against Saudi Arabia by 9-11 victims is the perfect opportunity to expose more of the cover up by getting declassified information released. But I'm sure the opportunity will be wasted as usual.

These lawyers, and the Judge are letting the Saudi lawyers hide behind the 9-11 commission report, when they could be using it themselves, as a way to destroy the Saudi defense and as a way to get declassification.

Jan 18, 2018
Judge remains skeptical Sept. 11 Saudi claims can proceed
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

Why would these lawyers argue their case that Saudi Arabia should be held accountable for 9-11 in front of a judge that they know has already ruled that Iran was behind 9-11?
 
I'm confused.

What is the point here?
 
I read everything on his Iran case and there is obviously something wrong with this Judge. The case was embarrassing.

U.S. DISTRICT COURT RULES IRAN BEHIND 9/11 ATTACKS
December 23, 2011

http://iran911case.com/
   
I'm not alone on that:

Former FBI agent Mark Rossini, one of the founding executives of the National Counterterrorism Center and who provided daily threat matrix briefings:

“The Iranian judgment is just totally, totally delusional. I will say this and you can print this in bold.” Pausing repeatedly to hammer home each word, Rossini continues, “Iran had nothing…nothing…nothing…nothing…nothing to do with 9/11. And it just outrages me that people say this. It is beyond comprehension."
https://28pages.org/2015/09/17/rossini-on-28-pages-allegations-of-iran-role-in-911-and-more/

The lawyers seem more focused on the funding of Al Qaeda over the logistics of the attacks themselves. The Judge seems to be saying "funding can be explained away-even if they were funded, the funder's aren't responsible for what they did with the funding."

The logistics of the attacks themselves cannot so easily be explained, and together they prove their case.

"On Thursday, attorney Sean Carter argued on behalf of plaintiffs, including insurance companies and businesses, that al-Qaida was propped up by millions of dollars and years of support from Saudi Arabia prior to the attacks."

Daniels challenged the claims in the 15-year-old litigation that Saudi Arabia could be held responsible in the terrorist attacks even if it never agreed to support the terrorists and wasn't aware that money it gave to charities in the Middle East may have made it to Osama bin Laden's group.

"If I gave you $10 and you went and bought $5 of ice cream, why is it that I gave you $5 to buy ice cream?" he asked.

Later, Daniels asked: "So every terrorist act al-Qaida commits Saudi Arabia is responsible for?"
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

But they did support the terrorists on 9-11.

"So every terrorist act al-Qaida commits Saudi Arabia is responsible for?"

The answer is yes when it comes to 9-11, because of the funding AND logistics....

9-11 Commission published lies - The truth was classified: -Classified for 10 years top secret:

Declassified Aug 2014:

FBI Agent to 9-11 Commission -

He also remembered during this interview, that the two Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA. Benomrane said that when they left the Hilton, they moved into an apartment.

He took them to the apartment complex at 3636 S Sepulveda _________ knows that subpoenas were served on the complex, and that it became clear that the KFM was renting rooms at the complex.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=VigLink&ad_group=15012&keyword=ft500noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate

Same BS from Saudi lawyers: The Holy 9-11 Commission report:

The 9/11 Commission report found "no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded" the attacks al-Qaida masterminded, but the commission also noted "the likelihood" that Saudi-government-sponsored charities did.

Attorney Michael Kellogg, arguing for Saudi Arabia, cited the report repeatedly, along with the findings of probes by the FBI and CIA.

"All rejected Saudi Arabia was responsible," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

"along with the findings of probes by the FBI and CIA."

The "probe" of the FBI didn't happen
“The FBI never engaged in an investigation of the Saudi connection.”
http://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2016/09/06/lynch-september-saudi

And the CIA were Saudi partners.

This could be an opportunity to educate Judge Daniels...

Still, Daniels gave plaintiffs some hope that Saudi Arabia might remain a defendant when he said the findings of the 9/11 Commission were not necessarily the last word.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

He doesn't know what some of "the findings of the 9/11 commission were" because they were classified...

Judge Daniels "knows"(believes) this...

After the pair cleared Immigration and Customs at Los Angeles International Airport, we do not know where they went. - 9/11 Commission
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

What Judge Daniels doesn't know is what the 9-11 commission really found, because it was classified when The 9-11 Commission report was released/published in 2004. When these documents were finally partially declassified it was quietly done in Aug 2014.

Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA. Benomrane said that when they left the Hilton, they moved into an apartment."

"He took them to the apartment complex at 3636 S Sepulveda"
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=VigLink&ad_group=15012&keyword=ft500noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate

That was classified. It was against the law for the 9-11 commission to say that.

So they also couldn't say this...

subpoenas were served on the complex, and that it became clear that the KFM was renting rooms at the complex.

or this...

"...they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA."

That was all classified so they said this instead...

After the pair cleared Immigration and Customs at Los Angeles International Airport, we do not know where they went. - 9/11 Commission
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

When Hazmi and Mihdhar(the first of all the hijackers to arrive)landed at Los Angeles International airport on Jan 15 2000, the had just arrived after attending a "terrorist Summit" that the CIA had under heavy surveillance. The two hijackers could barely speak English weren't real bright, and had never been to America before. We are supposed to believe they had no help? The CIA had already just helped them by keeping their names off watch-lists for a safe arrival.

Who helped them at their arrival has been classified. It pretty well proves the lawsuit against the Saudis if it was "someone from the Saudi Consulate". This is a perfect opportunity to expose part of the cover up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpS_8Z_QcBE   

This goes to the name of the person who had room 1777 at the Hilton hotel ready for them on arrival. If they were met "at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA." Then either "someone from the Saudi Consulate" or an accomplice of theirs is the name on the MasterCard that paid for the room. This would seem to help their case, hurt the defense case and help with poor Judge Daniels dilemma of what he should "do" with what the 9-11 commission report claims...

"I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do with the report's ultimate conclusion or the facts, whether they're sufficient for this court to independently reach those conclusions," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

This alone is more evidence than was in the Iran case.

But it wont happen because they have not changed anything since their last attempt, No one seems to know this or care. The Lawyers for the families will lose because they apparently don't keep up with information dripping out slowly from the 9-11 cover up. Presenting opinions as their evidence is a sure way to lose their case.

January 22, 2018
Saudi Arabia Asks U.S. Judge to Throw Out 9/11 Lawsuits

They presented sworn statements from two former FBI officials and former Florida Senator Bob Graham, an ex-chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence, in which they provide their opinions that Saudi officials in the U.S. provided support to two of the Sept. 11 hijackers.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/01/22/477984.htm

Everyone has opinions.

So I'll just just assume the fix is in, the lawyers aren't very good and the Judge is molesting his latest hired intern. Business as usual.
(http://www.reportmyex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/George-B.-Daniels.png)
http://www.reportmyex.com/george-benjamin-daniels-manhattan-new-york/
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 23, 2018, 12:41:18 pm
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These lawyers, and the Judge are letting the Saudi lawyers hide behind the 9-11 commission report,
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on January 25, 2018, 06:08:46 pm
Wow! I wasn't aware of this until recently. An FBI Agent has given a sworn Affidavit in the Saudi lawsuit. But not just any FBI Agent. He was the Investigative agent in charge of the 9-11 investigation in Los Angeles(until Mueller stopped them)

The document can be found here...

https://ecf.nysd.uscourts.gov/doc1/127121331866

But you have to pay for it. So I put it on scribd.com if anyone wants to see the full 7 pages. The following is pretty much the jist of it...

https://www.scribd.com/document/370010581/Moore-Declaration

Declaration of Stephen K. Moore

DECLARATION OF STEPHEN K. MOORE

I, Stephen K. Moore, do hereby declare:

2. From 1996 through September 2001, I was assigned to the FBI's Los Angeles office and worked on counter-terrorism investigations and highly classified intelligence matters.
3. Within days of the 9/11 attacks, I was placed in charge of the Los Angeles task force team on PENTTBOM, the FBI's investigation of the 9/11 attacks. The team that I directed and supervised included at times over 400 team members and was one of the largest components of the FBI's investigation. My work with the Los Angeles PENTTBOM team continued through 2003.
4. A key part of our work was to investigate the activities in Southern California of the first two al Qaeda hijackers to arrive in the United States, Nawaf al-Hazmi ("Hazmi") and Khalid al-Mihdhar ("Mihdhar"), who came to Los Angeles on January 15, 2000, stayed there for several weeks, and then relocated to San Diego. A central focus of that work was to identify the persons who provided Hazmi and Mihdhar with financial and logistical support.
6. Based on evidence we gathered during the course of our investigation, I concluded that diplomatic and intelligence personnel of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia knowingly provided material support to the two 9/11 hijackers and facilitated the 911 plot. My colleagues in our investigation shared that conclusion.
8. We determined that Thumairy and another Saudi employee who we believed was a Saudi intelligence agent, Omar al-Bayoumi ("Bayoumi"), were active participants in a terror cell associated withal Qaeda that provided substantial financial and logistical support to Hazmi and Mihdhar.
9. Based on our investigation we determined that at the time Thumairy provided that assistance, he knew that Hazmi and Mihdhar were al Qaeda terrorists on a pre-planned complex mission in the United States that would involve the use of airplanes.
10. We learned that the al Qaeda plotters were methodical in their preparations for the attacks and would not have sent Hazmi and Mihdhar to Los Angeles without a support structure in place. It would be essential that Hazmi and Mihdhar were given cover and properly handled upon their arrival. Neither Hazmi nor Mihdhar could speak English. They were completely unfamiliar with life and customs in the United States and lacked even the most basic skills to begin pilot training. They would have had zero chance for success without a support structure waiting for them.
11. We found that Thumairy was the primary point of contact for Hazmi and Mihdhar in Los Angeles. We concluded that Thumairy was aware in advance of their arrival and, through the King Fahad Mosque, had already provided a place for them to stay in Los Angeles.
17. We found substantial evidence that Bayoumi was an undercover Saudi intelligence officer based on numerous witness statements; the fact that he was paid by Saudi Arabia with laundered funds in a manner typical of clandestine arrangements used by a foreign intelligence agency; his regular videotaping of people and events; and the consistent patterns of deception in his dealings.
18. I have read the statement in the 9/11 Commission Report that "we have not found evidence that Thumairy provided assistance to the two operatives {Hazmi and Mihdhar]." In light of the proof assembled in our investigation, this statement is incorrect. There was clearly evidence that Thumairy provided assistance to Hazmi and Mihdhar.
19. I also disagree with the statement in the 9/11 Commission Report that Bayoumi is "an unlikely candidate for clandestine involvement with Islamist extremists." Again, this statement is incorrect. Based on the proof in our investigation, Bayoumi himself was a clandestine agent and associated with radical extremists, including Thumairy.
21. To my knowledge, Thumairy has never been the subject of a genuine law enforcement interview conducted by the actual agents who investigated him, including myself.
22. We believed that Thumairy and Bayoumi were directed to assist Hazmi and Mihdhar. This was a key subject that we wanted to raise in questioning Thumairy to explore his employment and the superiors that he reported to inside the Los Angeles Consulate, the Washington, D.C. Embassy and the Ministry of Islamic Affairs.
23. Much of the PENTTBOM investigation remains classified. I have taken care in preparing this declaration not to reference any of that classified information. I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that the foregoing is true and correct.
 
Dated: September 15, 2017 New York, New York

Stephen K. Moore


https://ecf.nysd.uscourts.gov/doc1/127121331866
https://www.scribd.com/document/370010581/Moore-Declaration

Robert Mueller is a traitor and he's investigating Trump for treason. That's the world we're living in.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on March 30, 2018, 10:08:40 pm
The current Lawsuit against Saudi Arabia by 9-11 victims is the perfect opportunity to expose more of the cover up by getting declassified information released. But I'm sure the opportunity will be wasted as usual.

These lawyers, and the Judge are letting the Saudi lawyers hide behind the 9-11 commission report, when they could be using it themselves, as a way to destroy the Saudi defense and as a way to get declassification.

Jan 18, 2018
Judge remains skeptical Sept. 11 Saudi claims can proceed
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/judge-remains-skeptical-sept-11-saudi-claims-proceed-52441356

MARCH 29, 2018
U.S. judge allows 9/11 lawsuits to proceed against Saudi Arabia

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/u-s-judge-911-lawsuits-saudi-arabia-20180329.html

The truth is Judge Daniels cleared everyone but two--

Everyone is let off the hook except for just two-Thumairy and Bayoumi...

The actual ruling:
Plaintiffs shall be permitted to conduct limited and targeted jurisdictional discovery critical to answering that question, i.e. whether and to what extent Thumairy, Bayoumi, and their agents took actions in 2000, at the direction of more senior Saudi officials, to provide assistance to Hazmi, Mihdhar, and other 9/11 hijackers.
- page 23/41
https://www.scribd.com/document/375189424/Judge-Daniels-ruling

Basnan-Bandar and the rest get a free pass----but->

Discovery on Thumairy should lead to Benomrane -who was the reason investigators discovered Thumairy and was also the person who exposed where the hijackers stayed on arrival...

"They put this information into the communication requesting the initiation of an investigation on Thumairy." -Page 3/7
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This could be the end of protecting who had room 1777 at the Hilton Hotel at LA airport waiting for the hijackers arrival, and expose the traitors that protected them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OszdR2C6E4c&
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: jimd3100 on March 31, 2018, 10:02:52 pm
Discovery on Thumairy should lead to Benomrane -who was the reason investigators discovered Thumairy and was also the person who exposed where the hijackers stayed on arrival...

"They put this information into the communication requesting the initiation of an investigation on Thumairy." -Page 3/7
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

This could be the end of protecting who had room 1777 at the Hilton Hotel at LA airport waiting for the hijackers arrival, and expose the traitors that protected them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OszdR2C6E4c&

Benomrane was deported -quickly- he knows to much and is talking(I didn't say cooperating)he has exposed where the hijackers stayed during their time in LA - 3636 Sepulveda blvd, - he also gave up information investigators could use to discover the hotel room waiting for the hijackers at the airport and who paid for it. But they had just discovered other crucial information as they tried to stop Benomrane's deportation - described on page 4 /7 here... -i.e. Detective Miller-...

https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

The 9-11 commission said they don't know where the hijackers stayed in LA. Evidence makes it obvious exactly where they stayed. The 9-11 commission says they don't know how Hazmi and Mihdhar got to San Diego from LA. But what Detective Miller had discovered was how Hazmi and Mihdhar got to San Diego from LA and was the reason he was trying to stop the deportation of Benomrane. He had discovered the connection - it was Benomrane.

"Benomrane's name came back into the limelight because of a San Diego interview." page 4/7

Mohdhar Abdullah(in SD) had mentioned a wedding he attended at the KFM in LA where he claims Thumairy was performing the wedding ceremony. This wedding was Thumairy marrying the manager of the "Sams Mart" gas station in San Diego who coincidentally hired Hazmi and Mohdhar among others. His last name is Kreiwish. Surveillance on Benomrane had showed Benomrane was in contact with several members of SD "associates" of the hijackers in SD. Benomranes numerous connections to those in San Diego assisting the hijackers makes Benomrane the logical route of how they got to SD. He was their driver - he drove them. He had already admitted in interviews he had driven "the two Saudis" to San Diego once. To visit the famous San Diego zoo of course - why else go to San Diego? Oh - he did finally admit to stopping at a gas station at the time - in San Diego - but Benomrane has "no memory" of where in the entire SD area the gas station was at that he visited.

Benomrane is connected to those in San Diego helping the hijackers when they get down there. Benomrane is the hijackers personal driver(until they are assisted with getting their own Drivers licenses)Benomrane obviously drove them to San Diego and investigators just found this out as Benomrane is being rushed out of the country in the worlds fastest deportation non- hearing in historyTo bad Benomrane wasn't a DREAMER.


"INS would not reschedule the deportation to accommodate their request." page 4/7
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane


"INS would not reschedule the deportation to accommodate their request."   - WHY THE F%#K IS THAT?

"INS couldn't tell them the names of their officers who were with Benomrane, and their officers apparently didn't have pagers or cell phones"  - WTF?

Their officers apparently were also without radios and walkie-talkies, and sounds like they were not even INS officers since..."INS couldn't tell them the names of their officers"

I guess back then-it was a little easier to deport people. Or maybe this BS can finally be exposed instead of hidden and then ignored until forgotten about or in most cases never known.
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 01, 2018, 03:35:55 pm
Bury the past ... Bury Bury ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWpbYGSj7Z4
Kingdom of Heaven - Burning the Past [HQ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HgbXpNenTI
Self Titled | Burying The Past Tour | Oxford Wollongong [2006]
Title: Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
Post by: TahoeBlue on October 10, 2018, 10:13:02 am
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4751374/sen-blumenthal-moves-adoption-sres610-urging-declassification-911-documents
Sen Blumenthal Moves for Adoption of S.Res.610, Urging Declassification of 9/11 Documents
September 26, 2018 | Clip Of Senate Session

Sen Richard Blumenthal (D, CT), speaks on behalf of S.Res.610, which urges the broadest possible declassification of 9/11 documents. He argues that they're essential to 9/11 families seeking justice against Saudi Arabia for the alleged assistance that Saudi officials provided to the plotters. After his speech, the resolution was passed by unanimous consent.

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https://novusvero.com/2018/10/04/senate-unanimously-passes-s-res-610-to-declassify-tens-of-thousands-of-documents-on-saudi-arabia-and-9-11/
Senate Unanimously Passes S. Res. 610 To Declassify Tens Of Thousands of Documents on Saudi Arabia and 9/11
October 4, 2018


The US Senate has unanimously passed S. Res. 610, which calls for the declassification and release of tens of thousands of pages of documents relating to Saudi Arabia and the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

The '28 pages' from a 2002 Congressional Joint Inquiry report on the attacks was declassified on July 15, 2016, but large portions of the release remained redacted. This move pushes to finally remove the redactions on these and other documents related to 9/11.

The documents seem to point the finger at the highest level of the government of Saudi Arabia as being responsible for the financial backing for the attackers on 9/11.

S.Res. 610 Resolution Reads as follows:

    Urging the release of information regarding the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks upon the United States.

    Whereas tens of thousands of pages of documents relating to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks upon the United States remain classified by the Federal Government;

    Whereas the Federal Government may properly classify and control access to information in order to protect sources and methods of collecting critical information in defense of the country and the people of the United States;

    Whereas the contents of these documents are necessary for a full public understanding of the events and circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks;

    Whereas the decision to maintain the classified status of many of these documents prevents the people of the United States from having access to information about the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, including the involvement of certain foreign governments in the attacks; and

    Whereas the people of the United States and the families of the victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks deserve full and public disclosure of the events surrounding the attacks: Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved, That it is the sense of the Senate that?

    (1) documents related to the events of September 11, 2001, should be declassified to the greatest extent possible; and

    (2) the survivors, the families of the victims, and the people of the United States deserve answers about the events and circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks upon the United States.

Read in full: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-resolution/610/text