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Title: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 14, 2016, 12:57:36 pm
need a common thread for this ....  the "BrExit vote " will be coming this sommer:

some roll up:


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887
The UK's EU vote: All you need to know
8 February 2016

What is happening?

The Conservatives' election manifesto promised to hold a referendum (a nationwide vote) on whether or not the UK should stay in or leave the European Union by the end of 2017. They won the election so it's all systems go.

What is a referendum?

A referendum is basically a vote in which everyone (or nearly everyone) of voting age can take part, normally giving a "Yes" or "No" answer to a question. Whichever side gets more than half of all votes cast is considered to have won.
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When will the EU referendum happen?

The one thing we know for sure is that Prime Minister David Cameron has said it will happen by the end of 2017. The most likely times of the year for referendums are generally May or September, and some people - including, it is said, the prime minister himself - think it should be held as soon as possible. There had been suggestions that it could be held in May 2016, to coincide with elections in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and London, rather than waiting for 2017 - but the government has ruled that out and June or September 2016 are now seen as most likely. Here is a full rundown of the likely dates and key events.

Why wasn't the referendum held earlier?

When David Cameron announced in January 2013 his pledge to hold a referendum, a key element was that he would seek to make changes to the way the European Union works - or at least the rules covering the UK as a European Union member. Only once this renegotiation of British membership had been completed would he put the new arrangement to the public vote.

 

I love Sir Michael Caine ...

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__ZC6F3SCITU/THVanMsjEGI/AAAAAAAADCU/kbxcq-QBI8U/s1600/King+cigars.JPG)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12114316/Sir-Michael-Caine-backs-leaving-EU-and-lashes-out-at-faceless-civil-servants-dictating-to-Britain.html
Sir Michael Caine backs leaving EU and lashes out at 'faceless civil servants' dictating to Britain

Oscar-winning actor says he has become 'convinced' by case for Brexit in boost for the Out campaign


Sir Michael Caine, one of Britain’s best known actors, has publicly backed exiting from the European Union as he lashed out at “faceless civil servants” making decisions for the UK.

The star of The Italian Job and Zulu told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that he is now “pretty certain” that Britain should be outside the EU.

He dismissed arguments that the country could be hit economically by saying Britons would “work harder" and "try harder” until life on the outside improved. 
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It comes with an In/Out referendum on Britain’s EU membership due by the end of 2017 but with a vote likely to come as early as this June.


London’s Finance Role Threatened by ‘Brexit:’ Lord Mayor
2 March 2015
, by Alex Morales (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-02/london-s-finance-role-threatened-by-brexit-lord-mayor

Excerpt:

The City of London’s role as Europe’s financial center is threatened by the prospect of a British departure from the European Union, Lord Mayor Alan Yarrow said.

Yarrow, a former Dresdner Kleinwort banker, said that he wasn’t in favor of a referendum on EU membership as advocated by Prime Minister David Cameron.

Yet if Cameron’s Conservative Party wins the May 7 election, it would be better if they brought the proposed referendum forward and held it in 2016 to remove instability, he said.

“We have the leading international financial center of the world: that cannot live on a hinterland of 65 million people,” Yarrow said in an interview at Mansion House in the City Monday.

“We are and will continue to be the financial center for Europe because we’ve got 600 million people sitting on our doorstep.”

The British prime minister has pledged to hold a referendum on whether to stay in the EU by the end of 2017 if his Conservatives are re-elected in the general election, and has held out the prospect of having a vote sooner.

The main opposition Labour Party’s policy is not to hold a ballot on EU membership.

Yarrow said he wasn’t in favor of a plebiscite, “because I think that the referendum appeals to emotions rather than rational argument.”

Referendums “are not necessarily a good way of governing a country,” he said.


London Banks Opposing Britain Exit From EU See U.K. Loss
8 April 2014
, by Stephanie Baker and Ben Moshinsky (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2014-04-08/london-banks-opposing-britain-exit-from-eu-see-u-k-loss.html

Excerpt:

From a corner conference room overlooking the Thames, Michael Sherwood, a vice chairman of Goldman Sachs Group Inc., has the guts to voice publicly what many in London’s centuries-old financial district are increasingly worried about behind closed doors: that threats to Britain’s membership in the European Union are threats to British business.

Over the past 15 years, Goldman, like many of the other 250 foreign-owned banks in the City, has consolidated its European operations in London to take advantage of the EU’s $16.6 trillion–a-year single market, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its May issue.

Wide-open access to that market is now in doubt because of U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron’s promise to hold a referendum on EU membership by the end of 2017.

If Britain votes to quit the EU, Sherwood says, parts of London’s banking business would inevitably drift to Frankfurt and Paris.

“We want the U.K. to stay in Europe,” the 48-year-old banker says.

“The U.K. leaving the EU would lead to some sort of fragmentation of our business. The City would definitely be impacted.”

Sherwood is not alone in opposing a Brexit, as a British departure from the EU is known.

A 2013 survey by TheCityUK, a bank lobby group, found that 84% of finance industry leaders want the U.K. to remain a member of the EU.


Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 14, 2016, 01:01:36 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12156432/Brexit-would-see-Europe-lurch-very-much-in-the-wrong-direction-Philip-Hammond-warns.html
Brexit would see Europe 'lurch very much in the wrong direction', Philip Hammond warns

Foreign Secretary predicts a 'contagion' of other European counties could call for their own referendums if Britain left the EU
By  Laura Hughes, Political Correspondent, video source BBC / The Andrew Marr Show
10:39AM GMT 14 Feb 2016

Europe could fall apart if Britain votes to leave the EU and would "lurch very much in the wrong direction", the Foreign Secretary has warned.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU
Post by: Al Bundy on February 14, 2016, 02:43:10 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12156432/Brexit-would-see-Europe-lurch-very-much-in-the-wrong-direction-Philip-Hammond-warns.html
Brexit would see Europe 'lurch very much in the wrong direction', Philip Hammond warns

Foreign Secretary predicts a 'contagion' of other European counties could call for their own referendums if Britain left the EU
By  Laura Hughes, Political Correspondent, video source BBC / The Andrew Marr Show
10:39AM GMT 14 Feb 2016

Europe could fall apart if Britain votes to leave the EU and would "lurch very much in the wrong direction", the Foreign Secretary has warned.

I think that the US will not allow British abandonment of the EU. Also, I am sure that the US will not allow the disintegration of the EU.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 15, 2016, 01:21:28 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/15/angry-brits-launch-petition-telling-obama-stay-out-of-eu-referendum/
Brits Launch 5,000-Strong Petition Telling Obama: Stay Out of EU Referendum
by Nick Hallett 15 Feb 2016

Angry Britons have launched a petition calling for U.S. President Barack Obama to be prevented from speaking in the UK parliament on Britain’s forthcoming referendum on European Union (EU) membership.

The petition on the Parliament website, which has so far been signed by over 4,000 people, calls on ministers and MPs to stop Mr Obama using parliament as a platform to tell Britain to stay in the European Union.

If the petition reaches 10,000 signatures the government will be obliged to issue an official response, and if over 100,000 sign it will be considered for debate in parliament.
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU
Post by: chris jones on February 15, 2016, 03:01:02 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/15/angry-brits-launch-petition-telling-obama-stay-out-of-eu-referendum/
Brits Launch 5,000-Strong Petition Telling Obama: Stay Out of EU Referendum
by Nick Hallett 15 Feb 2016


Angry Britons have launched a petition calling for U.S. President Barack Obama to be prevented from speaking in the UK parliament on Britain’s forthcoming referendum on European Union (EU) membership.

The petition on the Parliament website, which has so far been signed by over 4,000 people, calls on ministers and MPs to stop Mr Obama using parliament as a platform to tell Britain to stay in the European Union.

If the petition reaches 10,000 signatures the government will be obliged to issue an official response, and if over 100,000 sign it will be considered for debate in parliament.
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  That made my day,,Obama, muck off...beautifull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU
Post by: Dude447 on February 17, 2016, 04:50:18 pm
Well Prime Minister Dave is trying to convince us Brits that he is doing a fantastic job renegotiating are terms with the rest of the EU white elephant (BS imo )  As for how the UK will vote if you look at all the polls conducted it's to close to call , and most polls show an average of about 20% not sure how they will vote . Maybe drop it in the Elections Thread TB ?
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 17, 2016, 09:03:22 pm
. Maybe drop it in the Elections Thread TB ?

yes but not yet ... the sparks are flying ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12160851/EU-deal-leaked-memo-European-leaders-plot-against-David-Cameron-live.html
Boris Johnson says 'no deal' to Cameron's EU reforms
but Angela Merkel says PM's demands are 'justified'

Warm words from Germany's Chancellor as Prime Minister attempts to appease Boris Johnson and Tory backbenchers over ongoing negotiations with EU leaders



By  Michael Wilkinson, Political Correspondent
7:10PM GMT 17 Feb 2016

• Angela Merkel: Cameron demands are 'justified and necessary'
• David Cameron seeks Boris Johnson's support over EU deal
Boris: 'No deal' as he leaves No10 summit with David Cameron
• France will tell David Cameron deal will not get any better
• Leaked text reveals bid to trim back Cameron's deal
Here are the numbers that will decide the EU referendum

END OF DAY SUMMARY

By Peter Dominiczak and Peter Foster

David Cameron has been warned there is "no guarantee" that European leaders will agree to his new EU deal after Germany and France prepared to make last-minute demands.

The Prime Minister will on Friday travel to Brussels for all-night talks to secure his plans for a renegotiated deal for Britain to remain a member of the EU. He is then planning to return to London on Friday to call the referendum after an English breakfast with 27 other leaders.

However, on Wednesday Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, published an open letter imploring EU leaders to back the deal being offered to Mr Cameron amid signs of discontent over the plan.

To the anger of eastern European leaders, Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, is understood to have privately indicated that Germany may also want access to a scheme negotiated by Mr Cameron to restrict migrant benefits. Meanwhile, the French are said to be refusing to sanction any change to EU treaties to accommodate British demands.
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 20, 2016, 01:39:54 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12166097/david-cameron-cabinet-leave-brexit-EU-referendum-june-23-live.html
EU referendum: June 23 date announced by David Cameron as Michael Gove says backing Brexit is 'most difficult political decision of my life'

Prime Minister announces EU referendum will be held on June 23 but senior ministers Michael Gove, John Whittingdale, Priti Patel, Theresa Villiers, Chris Grayling and Iain Duncan Smith all back Brexit


By  Michael Wilkinson, Political Correspondent
7:08PM GMT 20 Feb 2016


• David Cameron: Britain stronger and safer in reformed Europe
• When is the EU referendum? June 23 announced by PM
• Iain Duncan Smith, Priti Patel, John Whittingdale, Theresa Villiers, Chris Grayling and Michael Gove join Brexit campaign
• Michael Gove releases incredible statement on why we need Brexit
• Theresa May and Sajid Javid announce they will remain
• What would happen if we leave the EU?
• Who can vote in the UK EU referendum? What is Brexit?

Latest


How the EU referendum starting gun was fired


Six top Tories join the Brexit campaign

Six Tory MPs pledged their commitment to restoring Britain's "sovereignty" as they announced they would be campaigning for the country's exit from the the EU.

Minutes after David Cameron announced the date for the referendum, Michael Gove, Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Grayling, Theresa Villiers, John Whittingdale and Priti Patel made the journey across the river to the headquarters for exit campaign group, Vote Leave.
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countdown:
http://cf-particle-html.eip.telegraph.co.uk/a8f14e94-d352-49a1-bd06-3613f3f45a15.html

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http://news.yahoo.com/uncharted-waters-brexit-115733952.html
What if? The uncharted waters of 'Brexit'
 Florence Biedermann
7 hours ago
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The City of London, Europe's most important financial centre, is hostile to a Brexit and its big hitters have already planned for various post-EU scenarios.

HSBC, Europe's biggest bank, has warned that 1,000 jobs could shift from London to Paris.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 21, 2016, 01:59:14 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12166968/eu-referendum-david-cameron-boris-johnson-live.html

Boris Johnson backs Brexit campaign in EU referendum - only confirming with David Cameron via text minutes before announcement
Boris Johnson emailed David Cameron on Saturday to tell him he would back Brexit but only confirmed by text nine minutes before announcing his decision publicly

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Boris Johnson backs LEAVE campaign

Boris Johnson has joined the campaign to leave the European Union, putting himself at loggerheads with David Cameron and George Osborne.

The Mayor of London emailed the Prime Minister yesterday to inform him of his decision but he only confirmed by text message just nine minutes before his public statement today.
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 Amid chaotic scenes, Mr Johnson insisted that he had agonised over the decision before finally declaring his hand.

"The last thing I wanted was to go against David Cameron or the Government but after a great deal of heartache I don't think there is anything else I can do," he said.

"I will be advocating vote leave ... because I want a better deal for the people of this country to save them money and to take back control."

It will come as a major blow to Mr Cameron and will be seen as a coup for the “Leave” campaign.
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on February 21, 2016, 05:05:15 pm
No real surprise Boris Johnson backs LEAVE campaign ,he has always been an EU sceptic . Now the sides are drawn up, I am hoping that as this issue effects all political parties in the UK the various vote no groups can get themselves organised into a united fighting force on the subject .
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 22, 2016, 06:56:00 pm
And sparks are flying ... "The City" is not happy .... What? Let the villeins vote on their slavery?

I really like the Telegraphs coverage btw ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12167851/eu-referendum-david-cameron-faces-mps-after-boris-johnson-backs-brexit-live.html
Fragile Tory truce over EU referendum shattered as David Cameron savages Boris Johnson
PM accuses Mayor of London of backing Brexit in bid for Tory leadership
By  Michael Wilkinson, Political Correspondent
5:58PM GMT 22 Feb 2016
   
David Cameron launches astonishing attack on Boris Johnson
• Boris attacks PM's 'wildly exaggerated' Brexit fears
• How the Tories descended into open warfare over the EU
• Exclusive: Boris explains why he is joining Leave campaign
Boris's dad Stanley: It could be career-ending for him
Pound suffers biggest drop in a year after Boris declaration
• Culture minister bets £1,000 Cameron will stay on as PM post-Brexit


The Conservative truce over the European Union referendum on Monday collapsed as the Prime Minister attacked Boris Johnson and Cabinet ministers openly criticised one another.

In a sign of the deepening divisions over the in-out referendum, David Cameron used a Commons appearance to openly condemn Mr Johnson, who on Sunday announced that he would campaign to take Britain of the EU.

Mr Cameron suggested that Mr Johnson made his decision simply in order to further his own ambition to become prime minister.

He also described as “for the birds” an apparent suggestion by Mr Johnson that Britain could vote to leave the EU before negotiating a better settlement with Brussels.

The Prime Minister is said to be “livid” with Mr Johnson, who on Monday indicated that Mr Cameron and his allies are “wildly exaggerating” when they claim that a “Brexit” would be a “leap in the dark”.

Referring to his own commitment to step down before the next election, Mr Cameron said: “I am not standing for re-election, I have no other agenda than what is best for our country.”
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 25, 2016, 03:20:02 pm
Now a THREAT from Cameron ...:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12172808/EU-referendum-Michael-Gove-David-Cameron-Boris-Johnson-Brexit.html
EU referendum: Senior Conservatives claim Cameron's deal will do nothing to reduce migrant influx

David Cameron is facing a fresh assault on his EU renegotiation deal, as net migration figures released today still don't hit the government's target  benefit rules will have an “impact” on the numbers of European Union migrants coming to the UK.

Speaking at BAE Systems’ Eurofighter Typhoon assembly plant in Preston, Lancashire, the Prime Minister confirmed he was still ambitious to bring net immigration into the UK below 100,000, but Downing Street have declined to put a timeframe on the target being met.

The Prime Minister’s remarks will be interpreted as a slapdown to Work and Pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who has said that the deal will make “no” difference to EU migrant levels.

He warned that an independent Britain would not be able to stop European Union migrants crossing the border into the UK and said leaving the European Union could put Britain’s collaboration with France over defence projects at risk and threaten jobs in the British defence industry

Annual UK net migration is 323,000, as Government fails to meet target

The Office for National Statistics published the latest migration figures today and they show 165,000 EU citizens moved to the UK for work reasons and that the number of asylum claims has risen to 38,878, a 20 per cent increase on last year.

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Priti Patel: We cannot control our borders while we remain members of the EU


Responding to the publication of the latest migration figures from the Office for National Statistics, Employment Minister Priti Patel said the proposed deal would do nothing to reduce the level of immigration from the EU.

She said: "It will leave unelected politicians in Brussels and judges from the EU Court in control of our borders. The only way to take back control is to Vote Leave."


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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 01, 2016, 06:20:56 pm
Geez ... thanks for letting us look at your thieving documents eh?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12179944/Head-of-the-civil-service-says-Brexit-ministers-will-get-access-to-EU-documents.html
Head of the civil service says Brexit ministers will get access to EU documents

Ministers campaigning for the UK to leave the EU will get access to EU documents after all, Sir Jeremy Heywood has told a committee of MPs
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By Kate McCann and Christopher Hope
10:00PM GMT 01 Mar 2016

Britain's most senior civil servant has backed down in a row over European Union papers and pledged that eurosceptic ministers can see all the facts they want to.


Sir Jeremy Heywood said complaints that senior ministers will not be allowed to see documents about the EU if they have declared themselves for Brexit are the result of a "misunderstanding".

He dismissed claims that he is deliberately trying to prevent some ministers from seeing EU papers, adding: "This talk of conspiracy or bypassing is well wide of the mark, we have no intention of doing that."

Instead he told MPs that ministers who do not back the Government's position, including Iain Duncan Smith the work and pensions secretary, will be entitled to see all documents but will not get proactive briefings or help with speeches which would allow them to attack the Prime Minister.
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on March 02, 2016, 03:53:12 pm
Well the establishment will continue with there scare offensive  ' A leap in the dark ' is there favourite sentence (which is of course BS the UK managed before we joined the EU). I think the problem for the no campaign is the younger generation dont know anything but being part of the EU .

Latest Poll

http://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/poll-of-polls/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on March 03, 2016, 08:41:09 pm
well in the Sheffield forum about 70% want out in their poll.  I see the eu is using their usual scare tactics - stay in or there will be consequences.

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 07, 2016, 10:52:14 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/07/bank-of-england-to-pump-cash-into-markets-around-eu-referendum-a/
Bank of England to pump cash into markets around EU referendum amid fear of bank run
By Tim Wallace 
 7 March 2016 • 7:10pm   

Banks will be offered billions of pounds of extra liquidity by the Bank of England, in case markets seize up in the weeks around the EU referendum in June.
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"It is a safety net, it is there just in case it is needed, but there is no guarantee it will be used. It is there to bolster confidence. If Brexit does happen it will be a momentous event. [The impact on markets] is very uncertain, so it is very prudent to have safety nets in place

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12185806/EU-leaders-meet-to-discuss-migrant-crisis-latest.html
Britain to pay £500 million under grand migrant swap plan for Turkey

Thousands of Syrian refugees could be taken from Turkey and resettled in Europe, under "one-for-one" migrant swap deal
By  Matthew Holehouse, Brussels, Peter Foster and Raziye Akkoc
12:14AM GMT 07 Mar 2016

Tens of thousands of Syrian refugees will be taken directly from Turkey to Europe in a “one-for-one” swap with those on the Greek islands, in a highly ambitious bid to contain Europe's worst migrant crisis since the Second World War.

The grand bargain drawn up in Brussels - and agreed in principle at midnight on Monday - is intended to end the deadly Aegean sea crossings and encourage refugees to stay in Turkish camps by offering them the prospect of a flight direct to the EU.

British taxpayers will pay £500 million in aid, up from an initial £250 million agreed in October as EU leaders acceded to Turkey’s surprise demand to double its pay outs to €6 billion (£4.6 billion) by the end of 2018.

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David Davis, the former Conservative shadow home secretary, said: “We are being held to ransom by the Turkish government. The EU is a very weak negotiator in these matters.”
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on March 09, 2016, 03:53:37 pm
Queen Elizabeth Backs Britain Leaving The European Union

Happy And Glorious’: Queen Elizabeth Backs Britain Leaving The European Union
 



Her Majesty the Queen is apparently backing the idea of Britain leaving the European Union (EU), according to a source cited by the Sun newspaper on Tuesday evening.

The Queen, who usually stays out of day-to-day politics in the United Kingdom, is believed to have “let rip” at the former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg at a private meeting at Windsor Castle during the last parliament.

The Sun reports:

THE Queen has been hailed as a backer of Brexit tonight after details emerged of an extraordinary alleged bust-up between her and Nick Clegg over Europe.

Her Majesty let rip at the then Deputy PM during a lunch at Windsor Castle, The Sun has been told.

The 89-year-old monarch firmly told passionate pro-European Mr Clegg that she believed the EU was heading in the wrong direction.

Her stinging reprimand went on for “quite a while”, leaving other guests around the table stunned.

The account of the bombshell lunch during the last government – which a handful of other government ministers also attended – has been relayed to The Sun by a highly reliable source.

The senior source said: “People who heard their conversation were left in no doubt at all about the Queen’s views on European integration.

“It was really something, and it went on for quite a while.

“The EU is clearly something Her Majesty feels passionately about.”

The monarch is also said to have revealed her Eurosceptic feelings during a separate conversation with MPs at a Buckingham Palace reception.

One of a group of Parliamentarians in a circle with her at the time asked Her Majesty for her thoughts on Brussels.

The Queen is said to have snapped back angrily: “I don’t understand Europe”.

A parliamentary source, who relayed the remark to The Sun, said: “It was said with quite some venom and emotion. I shall never forget it”.

Buckingham Palace’s spokesmen have distanced themselves from the story however – as is usual when the details of private conversations are leaked. They told the Sun: “The Queen remains politically neutral, as she has for 63 years. We would never comment on spurious, anonymously sourced claims. The referendum will be a matter for the British people.”

And former Deputy PM Nick Clegg tersely responded: “I have absolutely no recollection of it. I don’t have a photographic memory. But I think I would have remembered something as stark or significant as you have made it out to be.

“No doubt you’ll speak to someone else and they’ll say, ‘I was there I heard it’. Fine. But I really can’t remember it at all. Anyway, without sounding pompous, I find it rather distasteful to reveal conversations with the Queen.”

Mr. Clegg previously lost two, major, televised debates on Britain’s membership of the European Union. He took on the UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage in successive debates, losing twice to the anti-EU firebrand.

Brexit (British exit) campaigners have naturally welcomed the news.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/08/happy-and-glorious-queen-elizabeth-ii-backs-britain-leaving-the-european-union/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 09, 2016, 08:06:59 pm
The Telegraph keeps pumping out articles:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/09/from-bust-to-boom-is-iceland-a-brexiters-paradise/
A Brexit paradise: How Iceland's 'Project Fear' backfired
By Mehreen Khan 
 9 March 2016 • 6:55pm   

BEYOND THE EU SERIES: As the debate about the UK’s membership of the  European Union heats up and ahead of the June referendum, we examine four non-EU economies to see if they could provide a model for Britain’s post-Brexit future


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As pro-Brexit campaigners decry the “Project Fear” tactics deployed in the UK’s referendum debate, Iceland witnessed something more akin to “Project Apocalypse” in the aftermath of the crash.

Where Britons are warned of the potentially cataclysmic implications of a UK exit from the European Union, Icelanders were sold a tale of perma-doom that would plague the island until it became a member of the bloc.

It was in the wake of this turmoil that Iceland formally launched its bid to become a full member state of the European Union in July 2009.


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It was amid this triumphalism that Iceland’s then left-leaning government began accession talks.

Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson, Iceland’s current prime minister, says the membership debate was dominated by fears over Iceland’s very survival.

“Without membership we were doomed," says Gunnlaugsson, who became Iceland’s youngest prime minister aged just 38 in 2013.

"There was never any discussion about the ideals and nature of the European Union or whether that was something Icelanders wanted to be part of," he says.

“The application was simply presented as an economic necessity with claims that as soon as we applied, we would improve our credibility internationally and the euro would be the solution to all our problems."

But Iceland’s Project Fear failed.

Free to operate an independent monetary policy and allow its currency to slide, Iceland was soon brought back from the precipice. Its export sector - dominated by fisheries and energy - quickly began to thrive.

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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 11, 2016, 12:28:52 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson/12190736/EU-referendum-Boris-Johnson-fires-up-the-Brexit-juggernaut.html
EU referendum: Boris Johnson fires up the Brexit juggernaut

SKETCH: The Mayor of London makes his first major speech of the EU referendum – and then leaps behind the wheel of his campaign team’s lorry

By  Michael Deacon, Parliamentary Sketchwriter
3:10PM GMT 11 Mar 2016
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(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03593/boris-vote-leave_3593024b.jpg)
Boris Johnson, the Conservative Mayor of London, campaigning for Britain to leave the European Union
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“Downsides,” said Boris, thoughtfully. “Look, I don’t think there are any substantial downsides.
I think the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
And even fear isn’t particularly scary at the moment!”
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on March 11, 2016, 03:06:39 pm
I think the exit campaign is finally getting underway , of course Prime Minister Dave's reply to what Boris said was the mantra  It's a leap in the dark to vote for exit . I am quite surprised at how low key bothsides have been so far .
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 12, 2016, 07:42:28 pm
David Icke ...
https://www.davidicke.com/article/365264/100-reasons-eu-brexit
100 Reasons for an EU Brexit
By David   on 12 March 2016 GMT

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uDiGONVJqcU

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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 14, 2016, 06:41:28 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12193963/EU-referendum-Exclusive-Telegraph-poll-says-Leave-campaign-most-likely-to-win-in-June.html
Brexit campaign has the edge
Exclusive poll for The Telegraph shows that Out supporters are more motivated to win
By  Peter Dominiczak, and Steven Swinford
10:00PM GMT 14 Mar 2016

Supporters of Brexit are more likely to vote in the forthcoming referendum which could give the Leave campaign a decisive edge in the final result, a new Telegraph poll suggests.
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 03, 2016, 05:31:15 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/02/eu-referendum-young-voters-brexit-leave

EU referendum: poll shows young voters could hold key in June vote

Leave campaign four points ahead in survey that shows just half of 18-34s are certain to cast their vote on 23 June

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In a blow to David Cameron and the pro-EU camp, the online survey by Opinium puts the Leave side on 43%, four points ahead of Remain, on 39%. Some 18% of voters said they were undecided, while 1% refused to say.
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on April 04, 2016, 04:04:36 am
Let me see: Scotland do not want to leave EU, Wales and Northern Ireland do not want to leave EU, Germany do not want GB out of EU.
That will be tough in English hearts and souls.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 07, 2016, 03:06:18 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/politics-live-governments-9million-anti-brexit-letter-sparks-fur/

Tories at war over EU 'propaganda' leaflet as MPs threaten to 'grind Government to a halt' in protest at David Cameron

By Kate McCann,  Senior Political Correspondent  and
 Michael Wilkinson,  Political Correspondent 
 7 April 2016 • 8:35pm   



David Cameron: "I make no apology for sending this leaflet
"
Boris Johnson brands it "a waste of money" and "hysterical"
Vote Leave claims PM using leaflet to distract from tax issue
Michael Fallon: 'Leaflet is moderate and restrained'
The Government's leaflet arguing for Britain to remain in the EU

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Michael Gove say it is 'wrong' to spend £9million on leaflet

Michael Gove has attacked the decision to spend more than £9 million of taxpayers' cash on "one-sided propaganda" rather than the NHS after David Cameron insisted it was "money well spent".

The Justice Secretary - one of four Cabinet ministers campaigning for the "leave" vote on June 23 - said it was "wrong".

"I want a fair campaign, I want to hear from both sides," he told the BBC.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/514655/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf

Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is the best decision for the UK.
The EU referendum, Thursday, 23rd June 2016.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 15, 2016, 01:38:15 pm
This is good - Doesn't seem like Boris Johnson has gone to the good side of the force ?   This, even though he was a member of the Hellfire club with Rothschild?   Interesting ... Calling Obama a hypocrite ... making statements of fact ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3541731/Boris-lashes-hypocrite-Obama-ahead-flying-visit-Britain-week-endorse-PM-s-campaign-Britain-EU.html

Boris lashes out at 'hypocrite' Obama ahead of his flying visit to Britain next week to endorse the PM's campaign to keep Britain in the EU
President making a flying visit to Britain next week on the way to Germany
The visit is officially part of celebrations to mark the Queen's 90th birthday
But Obama expected to strongly back campaign to keep Britain in Europe

Boris Johnson today demanded the President keep out of the Brexit battle
By Tim Sculthorpe, Mailonline Deputy Political Editor
Published: 06:51 EST, 15 April 2016  | Updated: 09:47 EST, 15 April 2016

Boris Johnson blasted Barack Obama as a 'hypocrite'
today as the US President prepares to visit Britain and endorse the campaign to keep Britain in the EU.

The London Mayor lashed out at Mr Obama as details of his visit next week became clear.

Air Force One will land in Britain on Thursday and Mr Obama will meet the Queen as part of her 90th birthday celebrations before he heads to Downing Street for talks with David Cameron.

The White House has made clear for the first time Mr Obama will make a 'very candid' endorsement of Mr Cameron's campaign during his visit.

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Comments:

Invicta_Kent, Kent, United Kingdom, 11 minutes ago

The sooner we are free from our Brussels oppressors the better. I have nothing but total and utter contempt and hatred for the EU and the political elite like Jackboot Juncker. We were taken into Europe by Edward Heath, a liar and a traitor whose only useful act was to die.

Cameron has done nothing to stand up for us - why should we believe what he says?

EU law is rubbish, as are the EU commissioners and I have more respect for s sheet of used lavatory paper than I do for the EU flag.


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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 22, 2016, 04:08:39 pm
yes its all about BO ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3553788/Obama-flies-Brexit-storm-President-faces-furious-backlash-downright-hypocritical-decision-tell-British-voters-stay-EU.html

Obama under fire as he threatens to send Britain 'to the back of the queue' if it votes to leave the European Union
President Obama sparked fury by pressuring UK to stay in the EU and telling its citizens their nation's stranding would be diminished if it leaves
A US-UK trade agreement is not going to happen 'any time soon,' Obama warned today
London Mayor Boris Johnson accused him of making an 'incoherent' and 'inconsistent' argument because the U.S. would never give up sovereignty
EU agreement allows for the free flow of citizens across member nations' borders; U.S. does not allow Mexicans to come over without papers
Obama and UK Prime Minister David Cameron organized a pro-EU blitz
The U.S. President and  First Lady Michelle also lunched with the Queen in honor of her 90th birthday

By Francesca Chambers, White House Correspondent and Euan McLelland and Matt Dathan, Political Correspondent For Mailonline

Published: 08:29 EST, 22 April 2016  | Updated: 14:41 EST, 22 April 2016


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BORIS JOHNSON BRANDED 'RACIST' AFTER HIS ATTACK ON 'PART-KENYAN' BARACK OBAMA

The Mayor of London (pictured outside his north London home this morning) spoke out against the U.S. president this morning


Boris Johnson was accused of 'dog whistle racism' and likened to right-wing 'Tea Party' politicians in the U.S. this morning after his attack on the 'part-Kenyan' Barack Obama.


The Mayor of London spoke out against the U.S. president after he urged British voters to stay in the EU and mentioned Obama's African ancestry as he criticized the decision to remove a bust of Sir Winston Churchill from the Oval Office shortly after Obama entered the White House.

Johnson - who is favorite to succeed David Cameron as prime minister - suggested Obama got rid of the statue as a 'snub' to Britain's wartime prime minister and a 'symbol of the part-Kenyan President's ancestral dislike of the British empire'.

UK Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell demanded Johnson withdraw the controversial remarks.

He wrote on Twitter: 'Mask slips again. Boris part-Kenyan Obama comment is yet another example of dog whistle racism from senior Tories. He should withdraw it.'

Johnson's team has yet to respond to MailOnline's request for comment.

Diane Abbott, Shadow International Development Secretary, described Johnson's remarks as 'offensive' and said they echoed those of the Tea Party's right-wing, anti-immigration tendency in the U.S.

Former Lib Dem leader Lord Campbell said Johnson's comments were 'an unacceptable smear'.

'Many people will find Boris Johnson's loaded attack on President Obama's sincerity deeply offensive,' Lord Campbell said.

'If this is an illustration of the kind of diplomacy that we might expect from a Johnson leadership of the Tory Party then heaven help us.'

Referring to the removal of Sir Winston's bust, Johnson wrote in The Sun today : 'No one was sure whether the President had himself been involved in the decision,' he said.

'Some said it was a snub to Britain. Some said it was a symbol of the part-Kenyan President's ancestral dislike of the British empire - of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender.' 

Responding to the controversial remarks, Abbott said: 'Boris dismissing president Obama as 'half-Kenyan' reflects the worst Tea Party rhetoric'.

Obama shed light on the matter at today's news conference. The bust now sits outside his personal office in the residence area of White House.

'It’s there voluntarily, because I can do anything on the second floor,' Obama said. 'I love Winston Churchill. I love the guy.'

George W. Bush kept it in the Oval Office, Obama explained, but here are only so many tables where you can put busts, otherwise it starts looking a little cluttered.'

'And I thought it was appropriate, and I suspect most people here in the United Kingdom might agree, that as the first African-American President, it might be appropriate to have a bust of Dr. Martin Luther King in my office to remind me of all the hard work of a lot of people who would somehow allow me to have the privilege of holding this office.'


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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on April 28, 2016, 12:12:15 am
  Chance Of Brexit Plummets Following Obama Intervention


Daily Caller
April 26, 2016

President Barack Obama’s Brexit intervention over the weekend appears to have been successful, with the chance of Brexit dropping to an all-time low, according to bookmakers and market experts.

Obama campaigned in London alongside British Prime Minister David Cameron to convince Britons to vote to remain in the European Union when they hit the polls June 24. The chance of Brexit went from an all-time high of 37 percent April 18, down to an all-time low of 26 percent Monday, according to aggregated odds from British bookmakers.

The value of the British pound responded to the new odds by reaching a six-week high against the Euro.

“The might of Obama’s public relations has helped [the pound] sterling reach highs against the euro, as odds swing against the Brexit campaign,” Tobias Davis, head of corporate treasury sales at Western Union, told Reuters.

Read more -

http://www.prisonplanet.com/chance-of-brexit-plummets-following-obama-intervention.html
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on April 28, 2016, 12:54:27 am
Yeah, the pro-EU commentariat have been smugly dancing on our graves since the Obama visit. The hero worship was quite sickening. Except, over the last couple of days we've had our first polls taken either during (and after) or after his visit and they all show a boost for Leave. Even the phone polls show us catching up and they've always been better for Remain.

26th April

ICM (online)
Remain 44(+1)
Leave 46(+2)

ORB (phone)
Remain 51(-1)
Leave 46(+3)

27th April

Survation (phone)
Remain 45(-1)
Leave 38(+3)

YouGov (online)
Remain 41(+1)
Leave 42(+3)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on April 28, 2016, 12:59:08 am
Quote
  Except, over the last couple of days we've had our first polls taken either during (and after) or after his visit and they all show a boost for Leave.   

Many in the USA support a Brexit and think it's a good idea.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: larsonstdoc on April 28, 2016, 01:14:41 am
^^^^^^^^

  Yes, the Brits are screwed like we are in the USA RIGHT NOW.

  Both countries are run by globalists---Cameron and Obama.

  Therefore, the masses (the peasants), should always be against what the globalists want.

  The globalists hate their own countries.  They don't want borders.  They love the NWO and themselves.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on April 28, 2016, 09:33:23 pm
Oh yeah, I know many Americans want us out too. If the globalist win anywhere, that's a loss for all of us.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Letsbereal on April 28, 2016, 10:09:32 pm
Former U.K. Spy Chief Says `Brexit' Security Cost `Would Be Low'
24 March 2016
, by Robert Hutton (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-24/former-u-k-spy-chief-says-brexit-security-cost-would-be-low

U.K. Losing Millions of Pounds to EU Funding Errors, Panel Says
26 April 2016
, by Thomas Penny (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-26/u-k-losing-millions-of-pounds-to-eu-funding-errors-panel-says

Tories Face Losing Votes to UKIP After EU Vote, Academics Say
27 April 2016
, by Alex Morales (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-27/tories-face-losing-votes-to-ukip-after-eu-vote-academics-say


Personally I hope the people in Britain will be wise and vote for a Brexit also for the rest of Europe but I am afraid that vote rigging by the CIA/MI5-6 will prevent that just like with Scotland.

I personally voted against the European constitution (Just like the Irish and the French) and most recently against the Ukraine treaty with the Netherlands.

Despite a 'no' vote of the majority the constitution was rammed trough and I think the same will happen with the Ukraine treaty.

But by ignoring democracy country's leaders and the EU reveal it's real fascistic face.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on May 02, 2016, 02:48:36 pm
Bank of England busy preparing for Brexit vote 


Chris Giles
Financial Times
May 2, 2016

The Bank of England is consumed with preparing contingency plans for Britain to leave the EU, with staff across its financial stability, monetary policy and regulatory wings ready to calm any turmoil.

In the days leading up to the June 23 poll, the Bank will hold additional auctions of sterling to ensure the banking system has sufficient funds to operate in a potentially chaotic moment.

Three exceptional auctions of cash have already been planned for June 14, 21 and 28. But stuffing the banks full of cash will not prevent foreigners and UK households and companies dumping sterling in the event of a Brexit vote.

Michael Saunders, the new member of the bank’s Monetary Policy Committee, expects the pound to come under severe pressure. While still at Citi, he wrote that Brexit risks were “nowhere near priced yet”, adding that Britain should expect a 15 to 20 per cent depreciation of sterling against Britain’s main trading partners.

Read more -

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bank-of-england-busy-preparing-for-brexit-vote.html
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 02, 2016, 04:21:53 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/the-eu-exists-only-to-become-a-superstate-britain-has-no-place-i/
The EU exists only to be come a superstate. Britain has no place in it
By Nigel Lawson
2 May 2016 • 5:14pm   

For Britain, the issue in the coming European referendum is not Europe, with its great history, incomparable culture, and diverse peoples, but the European Union.
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In Britain, and perhaps also in the US, that has been much less well understood, particularly within the business community, who sometimes find it hard to grasp that politics can trump economics.
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But in the background there has always been another political objective behind European economic integration, one which is now firmly in the foreground.

That is the creation of a federal European superstate, a United States of Europe. Despite the resonance of the phrase, not one of the conditions that contributed to making a success of the United States of America exists in the case of the EU.

But that is what the EU is all about. That is its sole raison d’être. And, unlike the first objective, it is profoundly misguided.
For the United Kingdom to remain in the EU would be particularly perverse, since not even our political elites wish to see this country absorbed into a United States of Europe.

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Moreover, once out of the EU the UK would no longer have to pay its annual EU subscription of some £10 billion a year and rising for nothing in return – yes, nothing, for the figure is calculated after netting off everything British farmers and scientists and others at present receive from the EU. Nor would UK business and industry have to carry the burden of excessive European regulation, which bears down particularly hard on the small and medium-sized enterprises sector.

Yes, British businesses would have to conform to EU regulation when exporting to the EU, just as they have to conform to US regulations when exporting to the United States.

But exports to the EU represent only some 13 per cent of UK GDP, and the proportion is declining.
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We are told that EU membership is necessary for our security in a dangerous world. We do indeed live in a dangerous world, and security is certainly of the first importance. But this has nothing whatever to do with either the EU or Britain’s membership of it.

What it has got to do with is Nato, of which the UK is a leading member and the only major EU country with a commitment to spend 2 per cent of GDP on defence, plus our special intelligence relationship with the US, and the wider “Five Eyes” intelligence agreement, which also includes Canada, Australia and New Zealand, which is crucial for our ability to defend our people against terrorists. None of these countries were members of the EU when I last checked.

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But it is abundantly clear is that the EU as we know it now is profoundly undemocratic. This is a matter of concern to many people throughout the EU.

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Membership of the EU, however well-intentioned, is an affront to self-government; and it offers nothing that remotely compensates for this.

What the British people want, and what we now have in our grasp, is a genuinely global future as a self‑governing democracy.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 06, 2016, 01:39:28 pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36219612
EU referendum: Donald Trump backs Brexit
9 hours ago


 The UK would be "better off without" the European Union, US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has said.

He told Fox News the migration crisis had been a "horrible thing for Europe" and blamed the EU for driving it.

The Republican said he was not making a "recommendation" but his "feeling" was that the UK should vote to sever ties with the EU in its 23 June referendum.

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He said Britain was at its best when "helping to lead" a strong EU and membership made it a "bigger player" on the world stage.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on May 06, 2016, 09:26:23 pm
 A great shot a globalism.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 11, 2016, 11:33:31 am
Gee How many Bulgarian/Romanians are touristing in Britain ?
Gee WE DONT KNOW AND IF WE DID WE WOULDNT TELL YOU ...  HAHAHAHA 


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/the-missing-million-are-we-undercounting-britains-immigrants/
The missing million: Are we undercounting Britain's immigrants

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It was 1 January 2014 – the first day Romanians and Bulgarians were granted unrestricted access to the UK – and Mr Vaz had come to Luton Airport to greet some of the first arrivals in person. He even took some for coffee.

Not every arrival since then has been so well charted – or charted at all.

Now concerns have been raised that Britain’s official system of measuring immigration – based on a survey initially designed to count tourists rather than migrants – could be significantly understating the number of people moving from the European Union to live and work in Britain.

Critics of the system have highlighted a difference of more than 1.2 million between the official figures for the number of EU nationals moving to Britain in the past five years, estimated by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), and the number of National Insurance numbers issued to those from the EU during the same period
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The size of the gap has also thrown a spotlight on the difficulties of accurately measuring Britain’s total population, with academics suggesting a variety of improvements that could be made.

Why now?

The Government has long promised to cut net migration to the “tens of thousands”, but the issue has become more politically charged this year, ahead of the EU referendum


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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 12, 2016, 01:59:54 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/12/eu-referendum-itv-accused-of-a-stitch-up-and-threatened-over-dec/
EU referendum: Iain Duncan Smith says Treasury is 'worst thing in Britain' as BoE warns Brexit could trigger recession
By Laura Hughes,  Political Correspondent 
 12 May 2016 • 4:35pm

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Brexit campaign threaten ITV with legal action

ITV has defended itself against Vote Leave accusations that it has "joined the official In campaign" in the EU referendum, after it announced plans for a programme pitching David Cameron against Ukip leader Nigel Farage.

John Whittingdale, the eurosceptic Culture Secretary, said it was "extroardinary" that ITV isn't inviting anyone from Vote Leave to be part of its debate.

A Downing Street source indicated that the Prime Minister had ruled out "blue-on-blue" TV clashes with pro-Brexit Conservatives like Boris Johnson or Michael Gove, as he thought it important to "demonstrate the breadth of the debate rather than focus on a narrow issue in the Tory party".
;...

Vote Leave, which has been designated the official Out campaign, accused ITV of "stitching up" a deal with Number 10 to exclude its most prominent spokesmen in favour of Mr Farage - who supports the Grassroots Out group - and said it was considering legal action over the June 7 programme's line-up.

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Boris distances himself from Vote Leave attack on ITV and No 10

Boris Johnson repeatedly refused to endorse Vote Leave's attack on ITV and Number 10 as he distanced himself from the row about referendum debates


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He added the more people "bang on" about debates the mores voters' "eyes glaze over".

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Carney: Brexit could cause pound to plunge and hit growth

The Governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney has today said that Brexit "could possibly lead to a formal recession", with GDP falling for two consecutive quarters.

He also warned that Brexit could see the pound "fall further perhaps sharply" and lead to a "materially lower path for growth".
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Mr Johnson, the former London mayor backing an Out vote, will attack the EU's record on securing trade deals in a speech in the South West this morning.

He is expected is say: "If we Vote Leave we will be able to forge bold new trade deals with growing economies around the world. These are deals that the EU has tried and failed to achieve due to protectionist forces in Europe.

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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on May 12, 2016, 08:01:32 pm
Mainstream media headlines today are focused on Britain's record national debt, which just surpassed £1 trillion, a figure that can only exponentially increase unless the entire mechanism of Government finance is overhauled. The truth however is much worse, factoring in all liabilities including state and public sector pensions, the real national debt is closer to £4.8 trillion, some £78,000 for every person in the UK.
  SC: debt clock

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on May 15, 2016, 08:55:47 am

Former US Diplomat Warns The
Destruction Of Self-Governance [VIDEO]

GINNI THOMAS   05/14/2016

European Union’s experiment of relinquishing national sovereignty to Brussels has dangerously eroded self-governance in Europe, according to one former American diplomat who spent decades working in Brussels and elsewhere.

Todd Huizinga, the director of International Programs at the Acton Institute says the EU “is a long way towards transforming Europe from a continent of democratically-accountable nation states to a post-democratic supra-nationalist order in which voters have very little to say in how they are governed.”

√ SEE INTERVIEW HERE:  http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/14/former-us-ambassador-warns-the-destruction-of-self-governance-video/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on May 15, 2016, 12:38:16 pm
Interesting. This is as far as I dug up the new mayor after listening him tear into Trump, I don't remember this guy speaking about radical Islam, I may be wrong but he seemed to have refered to Muslims in general and evading radicalism.... Trump hasn't responded as far as know.

The Brits must have a line on this man, I haven't head much about this.

Muslim Radical, Sadiq Khan, Now Mayor of London - YouTube
Vídeo para Mayor of london muslim was radical▶ 12:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZuTulPmWzI

6  2016 - Styxhexenhammer666
Where did this asshole come from? Which shit hole did you crawl out from? He talks like he is sharing same bed ...
The Secret Life of Sadiq Khan, London's First Muslim Mayor - The ...
www.thedailybeast.com/.../the-secret-life-of-sadiq-k...

8 de mai de 2016 - London has gained her first Muslim mayor, a fellow Pakistani-Brit. ... the shark when they called him a “radical Islamist,” and linked him to ...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 15, 2016, 01:45:58 pm
Prior to the beginning to WWII the CFR in NYC was planning the post war Globalist superstate world

Needless to say, I am very impressed with
the COURAGE of Boris Johnson - an insider turning inside out ...

http://www.cfr.org/about/history/cfr/war_peace.html
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The project became known as the War and Peace Studies. ”The matter is strictly confidential,” wrote Bowman, “because the whole plan would be ’ditched’ if it became generally known that the State Department is working in collaboration with any outside group.” The Rockefeller Foundation agreed to fund the project, reluctantly at first, but, once convinced of its relevance, with nearly $350,000.

Nice article:

http://www.infowars.com/boris-johnson-the-eu-wants-a-superstate-just-as-hitler-did/
Boris Johnson: The EU wants a superstate, just as Hitler did

They share the aim of unifying Europe under one “authority”
Tim Ross | London Telegraph -  May 15, 2016

The European Union is pursuing a similar goal to Hitler in trying to create a powerful superstate, Boris Johnson says.

In a dramatic interview with the Telegraph, he warns that while bureaucrats in Brussels are using “different methods” from the Nazi dictator, they share the aim of unifying Europe under one “authority”.

But the EU’s “disastrous” failures have fuelled tensions between member states and allowed Germany to grow in power, “take over” the Italian economy and “destroy” Greece, he warns.

Mr Johnson invokes Winston Churchill’s war-time defiance, urging the British people to be “the heroes of Europe” again, set the country free and save the EU from itself by voting to leave in the referendum next month.

The former mayor of London, who is a keen classical scholar, argues that the past 2,000 years of European history have been characterised by repeated attempts to unify Europe under a single government in order to recover the continent’s lost “golden age” under the Romans.

“Napoleon, Hitler, various people tried this out, and it ends tragically,” he says.

Read more.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/14/boris-johnson-the-eu-wants-a-superstate-just-as-hitler-did/
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/05/14/97718423_Boris-large_trans++eo_i_u9APj8RuoebjoAHt0k9u7HhRJvuo-ZLenGRumA.jpg)
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 15, 2016, 03:33:56 pm
drudge:
BORIS: EU WANTS SUPERSTATE, AS HITLER DID...

Rhetoric Intensifies...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-15/hitler-invoked-by-johnson-as-team-brexit-seeks-carney-s-silence
Johnson Invokes Hitler as Brexit Debate Heats Up

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Brexit campaigners invoked Adolf Hitler as a parallel with the European Union and criticized the Bank of England governor, evidence of the debate becoming increasingly caustic six weeks before Britain’s referendum.

The two-pronged offensive began with former Mayor of London Boris Johnson making the historical analogy in an interview with the Sunday Telegraph, saying attempts to unify the region tend to end “tragically.” Allies backed him in that analysis and also used media appearances to criticize Mark Carney for the BOE’s warning of the economic consequences of a vote to leave, forcing the governor to defend his actions.

The remarks reflect pressure points in the fight over EU membership that were underscored in a ComRes poll published over the weekend showing Brexit arguments for the June 23 vote are convincing people more on national security grounds than on the economy. The Bank of England and the International Monetary Fund last week both released analyses on the risks of an exit, and Carney insisted that was the right thing to do.
...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 15, 2016, 03:57:03 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/15/brexit-tories-back-boris-johnson-saying-his-eunazi-germany-compa/
Brexit Tories back Boris Johnson, saying his EU Nazi Germany comparison was ‘historical analysis’

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/05/14/Boris_sips_coffee-large_trans++ytxLMmtfp3sC_cEhhtHl3xNmQMFlhh5Vi0wobcrJe4w.jpg)
One anti-EU Cabinet minister and two former Tory Cabinet ministers are backing Boris Johnson over the Nazi EU row
Credit: Andrew Parsons / i-Images/Andrew Parsons / i-Images

By Christopher Hope,  Chief Political Correspondent  and
 Tim Ross,  Senior Political Correspondent 
 15 May 2016 • 2:50pm   

Senior Tories who are backing a 'Brexit' have rallied to support Boris Johnson
after the former London Mayor compared the European Union to Hitler’s Nazi Germany.
././.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on May 15, 2016, 04:05:21 pm
  Just an opinion, the EU is a stepping stone to globilzation, there are people who are convinced that this la la land is just around the corner, it's not.
  Personelly I would like to see the world getting along just fine, hands across the water, the dream come true..We are definetly dealing with entirely different society's, allegences, mindsets, religous, philisophicaly.
  I say take care of your own first and foremost, but get along with other nations that may not have your social or political equals.
  If Govs STFU and became human in the political process they may discover most human beings simply want a life, happiness and their freedom. Being forced into a continental union is (just in my opinion) a no win. I stress getting along, respect, and fair play, if the neocon elites- globally were exposed we might get there..

 
 
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 15, 2016, 04:22:56 pm
...
  If Govs STFU and became human in the political process they may discover most human beings simply want a life, happiness and their freedom. Being forced into a continental union is (just in my opinion) a no win. I stress getting along, respect, and fair play, if the neocon elites- globally were exposed we might get there..
..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_Conference
The Bretton Woods Conference, formally known as the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference, was the gathering of 730 delegates from all 44 Allied nations at the Mount Washington Hotel, situated in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, United States, to regulate the international monetary and financial order after the conclusion of World War II.[1]

...

The seminal idea behind the Bretton Woods Conference was the notion of open markets
...
The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) became an object of scrutiny when the Norwegian delegation put forth evidence that the BIS was guilty of war crimes.
...
Lionel Robbins reported that "it would be difficult to exaggerate the electrifying effect on thought throughout the whole relevant apparatus of government ... nothing so imaginative and so ambitious had ever been discussed
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on May 15, 2016, 04:40:01 pm

... there is only one possible outcome for the USA,
and for European countries as well, if we allow
this march to One World Govt to continue ... and
it ain't pretty. We are seeing a first taste of it
in Sweden, Brussells, London, etc. Our peace,
security, standard of living, way of life ... the very
existence of the Western civilization ... is at stake.

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 15, 2016, 05:41:48 pm
'http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-15/hitler-invoked-by-johnson-as-team-brexit-seeks-carney-s-silence
...
The exchange of verbal blows coincided with new polling by ComRes published in the Independent on Sunday, which showed that
 45 percent of voters trust Johnson to tell the truth about Europe, compared with 21 percent saying the same of Prime Minister David Cameron.
...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 15, 2016, 06:32:28 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/15/eu-referendum-more-than-300-business-leaders-back-a-brexit/
EU referendum: More than 300 business leaders back a Brexit

By Peter Dominiczak,  Political Editor 
 15 May 2016 • 10:00pm   

More than
300 business leaders are calling on Britain to vote to leave the European Union, saying that the country’s “competitiveness is being undermined by our membership”.
...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 28, 2016, 12:07:08 pm
^^^^

... BREXIT = Leave the EU -OR- Be Swamped by Immigrants

EXCERPT:

√ ARTICLE HERE: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/26/eu-referendum-lord-ashcroft-poll-finds-nearly-two-thirds-of-vote/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 30, 2016, 10:27:57 am
I found this funny - in London where nearly half the people are foreign born pushing to stay in the EU - this is like asking people down in East LA what they think about immigration reform ... 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stay-brexit-activists-battle-042944962.html?ref=gs
Stay or go? Brexit activists battle it out
Edouard Guihaire
May 29, 2016

London (AFP) - Politicians and world leaders have dominated the headlines in the campaign for Britain's EU referendum, but a passionate battle for the country's future is also being fought by activists on the streets.

At a stall in the bohemian London district of Fitzrovia last week, Sheila Hawkins tried to persuade workers on their lunchbreak that leaving the bloc in the June 23 vote would be a "disaster".
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London
London is one of the most ethnically diverse cities on Earth. In 2007 there were over 300 languages spoken in it and more than 50 non-indigenous communities with a population of more than 10,000.[1]

At the 2011 census London had a population of 8,173,941. Of this number, 44.9% were White British. 37% of the population were born outside the UK, including 24.5% born outside of Europe



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Are foreigners going to vote on BrExit? Silly rabbit - tricks are for voters ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11945477/Brexit-Block-non-UK-citizens-from-voting-in-EU-referendum-says-new-report.html
Brexit: Block non-UK citizens from voting in EU referendum, says new report

MigrationWatch UK says 1.6 million non-naturalised Commonwealth citizens living in Britain and Irish nationals should be barred from voting in the poll

More than 1.5 million Commonwealth and Irish citizens should be barred from voting in Britain’s referendum on European Union membership, a pressure group claims.

MigrationWatch UK, which campaigns for tougher border controls, said Britain is the only country in the EU to allow foreign nationals to vote in referenda.

The event of a tight finish in the “Brexit” poll – due to take place by the end of 2017 – there are fears that 1.6 million votes could swing the outcome one way or another.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-register-vote-eu-referendum-8081852
How do I register to vote in the EU referendum - and when is the deadline?
30 May 2016


You've nearly run out of time to register for the EU referendum - and it's crucial you don't miss out.

The deadline is just a week away and campaigners have embarked on a new voter registration drive.

Even David Cameron says he is "worried" about sign-up rates among the young after his reforms knocked millions off the electoral roll.
So what do you need to sign up and when exactly are all the deadlines?
It's time to stop putting it off. Here's everything you need to know.
Read more:  If you do one thing this weekend, please register to vote

...

When is the EU referendum?

Polls will open from 7am to 10pm on Thursday, June 23, just like in a general election
.

Results will be declared one-by-one from 383 counting officers overnight in 11 regional counting centres. The final result will be declared in Manchester.

How do I register to vote?

Visit gov.uk/register-to-vote and fill in 11 questions.

They include your name, address, National Insurance number and whether you want a postal vote.
There's not much else you need to fill in.


How long does it take?

About 5 minutes if you're not too speedy on a computer. Less if you have a quick mouse hand.

When's the deadline?

You must register to vote by midnight on Tuesday, June 7.
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http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/register-to-vote/who-can-register-to-vote
Can I register to vote?



On this page you can find information about who can register to vote at elections and referendums in the UK.

EU Referendum

You can vote in the EU referendum if you are registered to vote in the UK, are 18 or over on 23 June 2016 and are:
A British or Irish citizen living in the UK, or
A Commonwealth citizen living in the UK who has leave to remain in the UK or who does not require leave to remain in the UK, or
A British citizen living overseas who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years, or
An Irish citizen living overseas who was born in Northern Ireland and who has been registered to vote in Northern Ireland in the last 15 years.

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https://www.gov.uk/government/world-location-news/surge-in-expats-applying-to-register-to-vote-as-eu-referendum-date-is-set
Surge in expats applying to register to vote as EU Referendum date is set

Latest figures show thousands of British nationals who live overseas are now going to www.gov.uk/register-to-vote in order to be able to have their say on 23 June. The average daily rate of online registrations by Britons abroad has quadrupled from an average of just over 600 per day before the announcement of the referendum date last weekend, to more than 2600 per day since then.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 01, 2016, 12:08:47 pm
OECD - Angel Gurria - Bilderberger - New Order threaten UK with financial turmoil and collapse if they  EU-Exit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/01/brexit-would-set-off-global-chain-reaction-oecd-warns/
Brexit would set off global chain reaction, OECD warns
By Szu Ping Chan 
1 June 2016 • 9:47am   

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has downgraded its UK growth forecast this year
by more than any other major advanced economy as it said a Brexit vote would send shockwaves across the globe.

The Paris-based think-tank
also issued a stark warning on the global economy. It said its fragile state meant that even a small negative shock could "tip the world back into another deep downturn".
...

{ well gee matybe we need something better? like true freedom ? like truly innovative investment that puts MONEY in the LITTLE peoples hands?  } oh well
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https://truth11.com/tag/angel-gurria-secretary-general-oecd/
Archive for the ‘Angel Gurria Secretary-General OECD’ Tag
June 9, 2009 Elitist Confab in Montreal: Adapting to a New World Order – Day 1 posted in 1.

All Articles, Banks and Brokerage Firms, Bilderberg Group, CFR Council on Foreign Relations, Controlled Economic Collapse, Corporations, Dictatorship, Economy, Environment, Fascism, Federal Reserve Bank, Global Currency (SDRs, Globo), Global Financial Dictaorship, Government, IMF International Monetary Fund, Martial Law, New World Order, North American Union, Police State, Poll Questions | Results and Actions   tagged Adapting to a New World Order, Alvaro Uribe President of the Republic of Colombia,

Angel Gurria Secretary-General OECD, Bilderberg, Bonaventure Hilton, Canada, Cisco Systems,

Dominique Strauss-Kahn Managing Director IMF, economic crisis, Former U.S. Secretary of State, GDF SUEZ, General Electric, Goldman Sachs, Guillermo

Ortiz Martinez Governor Central Bank of Mexico, Health and Sustainable Development, IMF, International Finance, International Trade and the Americas, Jean-Claude Trichet President European Central Bank,

Madeleine Albright, Mark Carney Governor Bank of Canada, Montreal, New World Order, North American Union, numerous ministers from governments all over the globe, NWO elitists, Paul Desmarais Jr., Presidents, Prime Ministers, Robert Zoellick President The World Bank Group, The Americas and the New World Order, The Canadian Chamber of Commerce, UN, World Bank   

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this Bilderberger - NEW WORLD ORDER ODER - He is STILL the sec Gen of the EOCD!!!
http://www.oecd.org/about/secretary-general/
Angel Gurría, Secretary-General of the OECD

•Members renew Angel Gurría’s mandate at the helm of the OECD (press release, 26 May 2015)


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_%C3%81ngel_Gurr%C3%ADa
José Ángel Gurría Treviño (born 8 May 1950), also known as Ángel Gurría,[3] is a Mexican economist and diplomat. He is the current Secretary-General of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) since June 1, 2006.
...

He also negotiated the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and requested financial aid during the 1994 crisis.
...
He was the architect of the Mexican economic stabilization, partially by cutting government spending six times during the Zedillo administration. The effect of his work has been felt during Vicente Fox's administration who nominated him to lead the OECD in July 2005.
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http://articles.latimes.com/1997/oct/07/news/mn-40257
Canada Pulls Envoy Who Irked Mexico
Diplomacy: Ambassador labeled NAFTA partner corrupt and called its anti-drug efforts a 'joke.'
October 07, 1997 |MARY BETH SHERIDAN | TIMES STAFF WRITER

But Monday, it was the Canadian government that was in hot water with Mexico. The Canadian ambassador here was forced to step down after granting an interview in which he labeled Mexico corrupt and described this country's war on drugs as a "joke."

"I am an expert on the Middle East, and when I came here I thought I already knew everything about corruption. But I was mistaken," said Ambassador Marc Perron in the startling interview in a Mexican magazine, Milenio.

Perron stepped down after Mexican Foreign Minister Jose Angel Gurria Trevino called his Canadian counterpart to protest, authorities said.
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I love the way J Lo says MUNEY .. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj2lKDDmqGU
Jennifer Lopez - Put Your Money

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/singer/jennifer-lopez-net-worth/
Net Worth:  $322 Million
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 01, 2016, 01:50:16 pm
well all this electioneering and scaremongering will just be ignored by me since I've already voted by post :)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 02, 2016, 12:43:24 pm
for reference:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-constitution-of-the-eus-dictatorship/5462917
The Constitution of the EU’s Dictatorship
By Eric Zuesse
Global Research, July 17, 2015

It’s here:

http://www.esm.europa.eu/pdf/ESM Treaty consolidated 13-03-2014.pdf

That’s the treaty establishing (which was originally done in 2012) the ultimate lending-fund for what the EU now officially considers to be a permanent economic crisis in Europe, of member-nations that are experiencing “severe financing problems,” and that are therefore continually ripe for asset-stripping by aristocrats.

It’s called the European Stability Mechanism.

It’s anything but that. Here is what it actually does:

http://corporateeurope.org/economy-finance/2014/06/european-stability-mechanism-esm-no-democracy-bailout-fund

In other words: it establishes the European bureaucracy to serve global aristocrats, so as to help them asset-strip the European populations of corrupt member-nations. These bureaucrats get transferred back-and-forth between this bureaucracy and the big financial institutions (which also are dependent upon the same billionaires), so that these bureaucratic servants of the aristocracy can themselves gradually emerge as aristocrats, basically joining (now becoming principals, no longer merely agents of) the aristocratic financial war stripping the public.

Here are some key provisions of this “Treaty,” or Europe’s (or the EU’s) new constitution:

Article 34. Professional secrecy. The Members or former Members of the Board of Governors and of the Board of Directors and any other persons who work or have worked for or in connection with the ESM shall not disclose information that is subject to professional secrecy. They shall be required, even after their duties have ceased, not to disclose information of the kind covered by the obligation of professional secrecy.

Article 35. Immunities of persons. 1. In the interest of the ESM, the Chairperson of the Board of Governors, Governors, alternate Governors, Directors, alternate Directors, as well as the Managing Director and other staff members shall be immune from legal proceedings with respect to acts performed by them in their official capacity and shall enjoy inviolability in respect of their official papers and documents. …

Article 36. Exemption from taxation. 1. Within the scope of its official activities, the ESM, its assets, income, property and its operations and transactions authorised by this Treaty shall be exempt from all direct taxes. …

It’s a “Mechanism” (basically, a government) to transfer to the aristocracy the public’s assets, which are the lands and pensions and healthcare and educational systems, which, in a democracy, are supposed to serve the public, but which, in an aristocracy, serve instead the billionaires. In Europe, aristocrats are still in charge.


...
The EU’s dictatorship is by the aristocracy, against the public. It’s just like the U.S. dictatorship — competing parties, both or all of which represent the aristocracy, against the public; none representing the public, against the aristocracy. Conservatives support it, because they support the aristocracy. (A reader replied to this, “it isn’t just the doctrinaire conservatives that support the new aristocracy it is the majority of the public”; but the majority of the public is conservative, they’re devoted to myths; so, that’s not contradicting my assertion, it’s just restating the tragedy.)

This is why inequality is high, and soaring. Democracy is disappearing.

Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of  CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.


The original source of this article is Global Research
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 04, 2016, 07:29:35 pm
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/676860/EU-brexit-300-000-jobs-britain-european-union
Escaping SHACKLES of EU would see 300,000 jobs created for Britons, urges Boris Johnson

LEAVING the European Union would see around 300,000 new jobs created because Britain will be liberated from the bloc’s ”shackles", Boris Johnson has today urged.
 PUBLISHED:  16:45, Sat, Jun 4, 2016    | UPDATED: 17:02, Sat, Jun 4, 2016

...
Vote Leave also pledged to amend laws to end the "rogue European Court's control over who we can deport", leaving the government with the power to kick out more dangerous criminals.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 06, 2016, 08:18:29 am
Hi T.

I'll go along with that 110%.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 06, 2016, 12:49:59 pm
"... Mr. Legrain may disapprove, but opposition to the
sort of open borders approach to immigration which he
advocates is proving popular with British voters."


EU Adviser: ‘Vote Leave Has Gone All UKIP’ Focusing
On Immigration, As Polls Move Towards Brexit

BREITBART LONDON  6 Jun 2016

A former economic adviser to the President of the European Commission has identified one of the reasons why the Leave campaign in the European Union (EU) referendum is gaining momentum, saying: “It’s official: Vote Leave has gone all UKIP.”

Philippe Legrain — a Visiting Senior Fellow at the London School of Economics’ European Institute — was not intending to promote the Brexit cause when identifying the change of direction recently undertaken by Vote Leave, but did stumble upon the reason many have given for the recent gains they have made.

Contributing to CapX, the news website owned and produced by the Centre for Policy Studies think tank, the former adviser to ex-European Commission President José Manuel Barroso stated: “It’s official: Vote Leave has gone all UKIP.” He said this is because it is now “focusing its campaign on immigration.”

√ READ: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/06/eu-adviser-vote-leave-has-gone-all-ukip-focusing-on-immigration-as-polls-move-towards-brexit/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: M-Callahan on June 07, 2016, 05:52:59 am
I see leaving the European Union as a step towards regaining your Liberty.  With the new Hate Speech Laws, people who have a valid argument against the European Union could be imprisoned for having an opposing view even if it appears without malice.  Which mean freedom of Speech is affected, and Hate Speech Laws can be used as a weapon against people or a country that may oppose the European Union.  Regaining your independence from the EU is very important to maintaining Liberty within your country.     
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 07, 2016, 06:25:13 pm
M callahan.......
                     Well said and BUMPED....
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 07, 2016, 06:39:17 pm
^^^


... the Battle is ON, folks ... around the globe

The GLOBALISTS vs NATIONALISTS

... we are taking control ... and hopefully
we will arrest the lawless culprits who have
brought the Earth to this sorry state.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 08, 2016, 05:26:50 pm
Holly,,,,,,,You hammered it!!!!
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 10, 2016, 05:21:03 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/10/eu-referendum-panicked-remain-camp-plans-to-take-out-boris-as-po/
EU referendum: 'Panicked' Remain camp plans to 'take out Boris' as polls swing in Brexit campaign's favour

By Peter Dominiczak,  Political Editor  ;
 Christopher Hope,  Chief Political Correspondent  ;
 Kate McCann  and
 Ben Riley-Smith 
10 June 2016 • 10:48pm

Downing Street is “panicked” over the EU referendum amid growing internal signs that support for the Leave campaign is surging

Private data and internal polling which shows that after two weeks of building momentum there have been huge swings to the Brexit campaign has prompted growing alarm in the Remain camp, sources have said.

It has led to a marked change in strategy, with the campaign to keep Britain in the EU now orchestrating a series of highly personal attacks on Boris Johnson, one of the leaders of the Leave campaign.
...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 10, 2016, 05:30:37 pm
personal attacks on boris Johnson and calling everybody in the brexit camp xenophobes and little Englanders isn't going to sway peoples opinion that the eu is an undemocratic institution and staying in would mean ceding most of the uk's sovereignty to the looming eu superstate.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 11, 2016, 09:03:57 pm
  Edy , does it appear to you this was a set up by the rulling class, if so did they expect the outcome.
  Brits are not mutts, they see through the con, just as many in the USA are wising up tho the BS here.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 21, 2016, 03:02:34 pm
Soros threatens Brits with economic warfare - why isn't he arrested?


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/20/brexit-would-trigger-sterling-fall-worse-than-black-wednesday
George Soros: EU exit risks 'black Friday'

Exclusive: Currency speculator warns devaluation would mean more disruption than when UK dropped out of ERM in 1992
George Soros: the Brexit crash will make all of you poorer

...
 

“A vote to leave could see the week end with a black Friday and serious consequences for ordinary people,” Soros said.

...
Michael Gove, the justice secretary and leading leave campaigner, said Soros had previously predicted that Britain would be better off with the single currency, a forecast which proved the currency speculator had made mistakes.

“George Soros is an advocate of the single currency, an advocate of European integration,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “If economic forecasters were as reliable as doctors or airline pilots then we’d all be billionaires. When we reflect on what George Soros is saying we also need to remember he has got things wrong in the past.”

Gove said the EU model was a “sinking ship” which Britain could unshackle itself from, and “send Europe in a better, more progressive direction”.

Two days before the polls close a series of high-profile figures warned about the risks of a vote to leave.

Enda Kenny, the taoiseach of Ireland, appealed to Britain to vote to remain inside the EU, warning that the return of a stronger border between Ireland and Northern Ireland required by a Brexit vote would play into an old narrative – “one of division, isolation and difference”.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 21, 2016, 04:18:35 pm
 All the remain in the EU group has done from the word  go is run a campaign of scare tactics . and that people who vote leave are
probably bigots, racists and isolationists . which is of course BS
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on June 21, 2016, 05:44:42 pm
I think most of the members and moderators on this forum are generally against the EU and the citizens G. Britain to leave the EU.
Britain remains in the EU 100%.
The new world order will not allow Britain to leave the EU because it would then split the EU. Perhaps it would be disbanded and NATO.
That's my opinion.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 21, 2016, 05:59:31 pm

... there was a FLAIR-UP of muslimimmigrant violence
at CALAIS today ... attacking of motorists, general
mayhem, etc ... trying to hijack trucks into BRITAIN ...
police used teargas, etc, etc. The BIG STORY is that the
UK GOVT initially reported closure of the hiway as caused
by POWER OUTAGE!

They Did Not Want to Let The UK Voters KNOW,
just a couple days before BREXIT, that this
was going on!


Calais Migrants Block Roads, Destroy Cars, Shout ‘F*ck UK’
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/21/video-calais-migrants-block-roads-destroy-cars-shout-fuk-uk/

BBC Reported Major Migrant Unrest At Channel Port As ‘Power Problems’
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/21/calais-chaos-bbc-reports-major-migrant-unrest-channel-port-power-problems/

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/BBC-tunnel-2-640x480.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/BBC-tunnel-2-640x480.jpg.html)
bbc
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 21, 2016, 06:16:52 pm
The irony of the remain campaign . voting YES to  remain and Totalitarianism  because we are better together  ::)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 22, 2016, 06:54:22 am

ON BREXIT EVE ...


The world's largest NEWSPAPER backs LEAVE!


by REUTERS 22 Jun 20161
LONDON – Britain’s right-leaning Daily Mail newspaper
has come out in support of leaving the European Union,
an emailed copy of the front page of its Wednesday edition showed.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/22/daily-mail-backs-leave-eu-referendum/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 22, 2016, 08:02:57 am
David Cameron accused of 'lying and colluding
with the EU' as Brexit contagion spreads across Europe -
with France, Italy and Holland all calling for referendums


22 JUNE 2016 • 1:48PM

   * Final day of campaigning before EU referendum
   * Cameron says Michael Gove has 'lost it' over Nazi jibe
   * UK's last day before referendum - in pictures
   * 1,300 business leaders sign letter backing Remain
   * Cameron: I'll push for more freedom of movement reforms
   * Worldwide tributes to murdered MP Jo Cox today

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-final-day-live/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 22, 2016, 10:17:15 am
The problem is with all these votes that if its "close" then the result can easily be manipulated to the those in control of the counting (globalists).

This is also happening with Trump
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 22, 2016, 11:03:36 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-final-day-live/
Live  |
 Leave given marginal poll lead hours before Brits start voting as European Commission president warns there will be no further renegotiation with Brussels

countdown:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160623T22&p0=302&msg=Brexit+referendum+voting+closes&ud=1&font=cursive

Time until Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 10:00:00 PM (Manchester time)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 22, 2016, 12:16:53 pm
i hate close elections, getting really peed off listening to all the waffle as it is.  would rather have a decisive vote where there's less chance of any shenanigans.


I think the elites obviously want the uk to stay in the eu, lots of threats from the remain side and not much from them about any improvements to any of the eu institutions.



seems its the undecided  that will sway the vote that's what all the campaigning is aimed at, either that are all the polls are wrong.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 22, 2016, 12:47:46 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/eu-debate-boris-johnson-vs-sadiq-khan-in-final-bbc-showdown-with/
EU debate: Boris Johnson says Brexit will be 'Britain's independence day' as Ruth Davidson attacks 'lies' of Leave campaign in front of 6,000-strong Wembley audience

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/21/boris_johnson_declares_june_23_could_be_british_independence_day.html
Brexit: Boris Johnson Declares That June 23 Could Be British "Independence Day"

BORIS JOHNSON: At the end of this campaign I think you will agree there is a very clear choice between those on [the Remain] side who speak of nothing but fear of the consequences of leaving the EU, and we on the [Leave] side who offer hope.

 Between those who have been endlessly rubbishing our country and running it down, and those of us who believe in Britain. They say we can't do it, we say we can.

 They say we have no choice but to bow down to Brussels, we say they are woefully underestimating this country and what it can do.

 If we vote Leave, we can take back control of our borders, save huge sums of money... take back control of our tax raising powers, of our trade policy, and of our whole lawmaking system; the democracy that is the foundation of our prosperity.

 If we stand up for democracy, we will be speaking up for hundreds of millions of [European Union citizens] who agree with us but currently have no voice.

 And if we vote to Leave, and take back control, we believe that this Thursday could be our country's Independence Day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj16vfbsM9A
https://youtu.be/oj16vfbsM9A?t=34
Independence Day [1996] - President Speech

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechindependenceday.html

The President: Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in this history of mankind.

Mankind -- that word should have new meaning for all of us today.

 We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.

We will be united in our common interests.

Perhaps its fate that today is the 4th of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation.

We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.

And should we win the day, the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:


"
We will not go quietly into the night!

We will not vanish without a fight!

We're going to live on!

We're going to survive!"   

Today, we celebrate our Independence Day
!
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 22, 2016, 02:12:01 pm
Drudge:



FINAL HOURS: BREXIT ON THE BRINK...

Big business raises alarm...

DAILY MAIL Backs 'Leave'...

Families Divided...

Feel Like Second-Class Citizen in Own Country'...

BORIS: June 23 UK 'Independence Day'...

Bookie Odds Skewed by Few Large Bettors?

POLL TRACKER: 44.8% LEAVE
, 43.4% REMAIN, 11.8% UNDECIDED...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on June 22, 2016, 03:09:25 pm
Boris Johnson has always been a bit of a clown to me and I was very suspicious of him leading the Leave campaign, but he's done well in the two big debates (along with Andrea Leadsom and Gisela Stuart) and that final Independence Day speech last night was great.

There have been two of four final polls so far and Leave is leading both...barely.

Opinium online (previously level)
Remain 44
Leave 45

TNS online
Remain: 41% (+1)
Leave: 43% (-4)

There's Yougov and ComRes still to come tonight. The latter being phone, which Leave tend to do worse in. I'm sure someone said there was a final poll tomorrow morning after voting starts but I'm no longer certain.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on June 22, 2016, 04:32:12 pm
Remain ahead in the final two polls. It may be interesting to note that ComRes started their fieldwork very early compared to YouGov. It was the day after Jo Cox was murdered. Hopefully this caused more of a shy Leaver effect. We'll soon find out if the polling companies are still as rubbish as they were at the 2015 general election anyway.

ComRes phone
Remain 48% (+2)
Leave 42% (-3)

YouGov online (undecideds excluded)
Remain 51% (+2)
Leave 49% (-2)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on June 22, 2016, 04:43:44 pm
Personally, I'm pretty happy we've drawn it to almost level with Remain. I always assumed we'd be destroyed or the referendum would be rigged. It kinda has with the media and western establishment ganging up on us. If we lose now, then we might at least lose small.

If the left lose this for us, I hope UKIP steal a whole swathe of their votes outside London. Labour people are really only voting for the EU because they think it limits the supposed damage of democratically elected Conservative governments at home. Disgustingly undemocratic behaviour. They'll need some karma for that.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 22, 2016, 06:05:36 pm
Personally, I'm pretty happy we've drawn it to almost level with Remain. I always assumed we'd be destroyed or the referendum would be rigged. It kinda has with the media and western establishment ganging up on us. If we lose now, then we might at least lose small.

If the left lose this for us, I hope UKIP steal a whole swathe of their votes outside London. Labour people are really only voting for the EU because they think it limits the supposed damage of democratically elected Conservative governments at home. Disgustingly undemocratic behaviour. They'll need some karma for that.

Hi Stan I agree with you  . My personal opinion is no matter what way this vote goes its going to hurt both the Conservative party and the Labour party , I hope UKIP will pick up some of the vote out voters from both these parties.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 22, 2016, 06:21:44 pm
Casting a vote to enslave yourself is no real vote ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-leave-campaign-takes-narrow-poll-lead-as-experts-w/
EU referendum: Race ‘too close to call’ as four polls give different sides the lead on final campaign day
...

http://stephendpalmer.com/voluntary-servitude/
46 Clues You’re Enslaving Yourself Voluntarily
by Stephen Palmer
,...

Strange how much lip service we give to being grateful for our freedom, while constantly trampling on that precious gift with poor choices.
...

We don’t need chains, whips, and jail cells to be held captive.

Involuntary servitude is a crime against humanity. But voluntary servitude is a crime against nature, as it stifles our joy and constrains our potential.


...
1. Spiritual Freedom
2. Mental Freedom
3. Emotional Freedom
4. Physical Freedom
5. Financial Freedom

| - - -

How much do you pay in taxes to be a slave?

http://blogs.nature.com/houseofwisdom/2013/01/voluntary-slavery-ancient-egyptians-paid-a-monthly-fee-to-become-temple-slaves.html
Voluntary slavery? Ancient Egyptians paid a monthly fee to become temple slaves
06 Jan 2013
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 22, 2016, 06:41:49 pm
TB  Thanks again for all your input and  other non UK Prison Planet Forum Crew  for keeping this topic on the good old Prison Planet Forum radar . Its all down to the vote now and the repercussions there after .
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 22, 2016, 07:01:35 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3654287/KATIE-HOPKINS-Remain-win-warn-not-fall-ill-not-want-buy-home-not-expect-primary-school-place-child-warn-not-complain-terror-attack-brave-vote-Leave-Great-Britain-back.html

If Remain wins I warn you not to fall ill, I warn you not want to buy a home, I warn you not to expect a primary school place for your child, I warn you not to complain about the next terror attack.
So
be brave and vote 'Leave' to get Great Britain back

By Katie Hopkins for MailOnline 
Published: 07:30 EST, 22 June 2016

I feel a bit sick right now. It's the same feeling you get sitting in the waiting room to find out your test results for brain cancer.

It's either going to be the biggest relief of your life. Or the sort of news where the room drains to grey, where everything you were certain about five minutes before just might turn out not to be true
...
People in the Remain Camp have led the charge of silencing the people of Britain over the decades, dictating what we are and are not allowed to think. What we can and cannot say. What is debate or what is hate

...
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3654287/KATIE-HOPKINS-Remain-win-warn-not-fall-ill-not-want-buy-home-not-expect-primary-school-place-child-warn-not-complain-terror-attack-brave-vote-Leave-Great-Britain-back.html#ixzz4CM8Gi9qT
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on June 23, 2016, 12:23:10 am
Londoners Rush to Sell Pounds in Preparation For Brexit 


Long queues form over fears sterling could sink if Britain leaves EU

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
June 22, 2016


(http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/220616london.jpg)


Long queues formed outside currency exchange bureaus today as Londoners rushed to sell sterling over fears that the currency could plummet in the aftermath of a Brexit vote to leave the EU.

The Financial Times reported that the scenes brought back memories of when customers formed queues outside Northern Rock branches before its collapse in 2007.

When asked what was behind the demand, Daniel Priori, International Currency Exchange kiosk at Waterloo station, said the majority of people were changing pounds to euros, “Because they are scared about tomorrow.”

Having gained ground since last week over expectations that voters would choose to remain in the EU, the potential fall that would await sterling if Brits instead chose to Brexit would be colossal.

The Post Office also revealed that “sales of foreign currency were nearly four times higher than the same date last year, while sales in branches were nearly 49 per cent higher.”

Zero Hedge compared the long lines to images from other countries showing citizens queuing up to obtain “hard currency,” but also noted that, “not everyone is terrified of the inevitable collapse in sterling in case of Brexit (which is what the Scaremongering campaign is all about). Some just want some vacation money.”

While the polls show that ‘Vote Remain’ and ‘Vote Leave’ are virtually tied, bookmakers are still strongly indicating that the most likely outcome will be that Britain remains in the EU.

However, although wealthy elitists are placing large bets on ‘Vote Remain’, the greatest number of individual bets have been placed on ‘Vote Leave’, suggesting that monied interests could be trying to sway the vote by making a ‘Vote Remain’ victory seem inevitable.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/londoners-rush-to-sell-pounds-in-preparation-for-brexit.html
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on June 23, 2016, 12:31:28 am
UBS Warns Its Clients They May Not Be Able To Trade At All After Brexit 


Zero Hedge
June 22, 2016

With less than two days until the outcome of the Brexit referendum, traders around the world know two things…

In a scene reminiscent of Lehman Sunday, everyone will be ready to trade the nanosecond the first results are released resulting in a supernova of volatility and an unprecedented burst in volume or… markets will simply grind to a halt as banks refuse to take risk positions and execute client orders, all bids and offers are withdrawn as the last trace of liquidity evaporates, and central banks are forced to start trading with each other in the open market.

As the following just released warning from UBS to its clients reveals, it will probably be the latter, to wit:

    Regardless of the outcome, we may see an increase in volatility and an impact on trading volumes. In the event that extreme market moves occur in an environment of limited liquidity, our principal spreads may widen for both electronic and voice trading, liquidity may reduce and prices may turn indicative (i.e., non-tradable) for periods of time.

Full UBS email.


(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/06/04/UBS%20warning_0.jpg)


http://www.prisonplanet.com/ubs-warns-its-clients-they-may-not-be-able-to-trade-at-all-after-brexit.html

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on June 23, 2016, 12:50:14 am

Billionaires & Globalists Vs. the People — As Brexit D-Day Vote Looms   



William F. Jasper
New American
June 22, 2016


Rothschild, Soros, Bloomberg, Branson, Ka-Shing, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, BlackRock, Carlyle Group — the banking behemoths and business titans are turning out in force in the final hours of the countdown to one of the most momentous votes in decades, if not of the past century. 


The Bilderberg-CFR-Trilateral elites are bringing all hands on deck to stop Britons from voting to leave the EU, in the June 23 Brexit referendum. With trillions of dollars at stake, not to mention decades of scheming to concentrate political power, the organized globalists are pulling out all stops in a final desperate push to frighten British voters away from reclaiming sovereignty and control over their own lives, their own finances, and their own borders. It’s known in England as “Project Fear” (see here and here), and Prime Minister David Cameron and his uber-rich “world order” backers have ratcheted it up to “full terror” mode for the final stretch of the race.

The stepped-up propaganda campaign to kill the Brexit vote came directly on the heels of the 64th meeting of ultra-secretive Bilderberg Group, which took place June 9-12 at the luxurious Hotel Taschenbergpalais in Dresden, Germany. Helping kick off the final installment of “Project Fear” was a June 14 column by Martin Wolf in the Financial Times entitled, “Brexit imperils the confidence of strangers.”

“Suppose that the Leave campaign, which one might call Project Lie, wins the referendum next week,” Wolf posited. “How bad might the economic consequences over the next few years be? Alas, they might be very bad indeed,” he darkly warned. Wolf, chief economics commentator at the establishment Financial Times, is one of the elite propagandists posing as journalists who has been attending the Bilderberg confabs for years. Their job is to serve as transmission belts of the Bilderberg cabal’s line to the general public, and to quell and quash all public concerns about the opaque goings-on of public officials behind closed doors with powerful private interests. This is usually done by the likes of Wolf using their prestigious positions to denounce as irrational “conspiracy theories” any rational concerns expressed about the clandestine conferences. Wolf ended his post-Dresden monitory by claiming: “Brexit, in sum, might be a big economic shock and not just for the UK. This is largely because of the fragility that precedes it and the many uncertainties that would follow it. The referendum is itself irresponsible. The outcome might well prove devastating.”

Following Wolf’s lead, billionaire George Soros, the world’s most infamous currency speculator, warned Britain that a vote for Brexit this Thursday could result in a “Black Friday” market crash with horrible consequences. In a June 20 column for the UK Guardianentitled “The Brexit crash will make all of you poorer — be warned,” Soros said: “My 60 years of experience tells me the pound will plummet, along with your living standards. The only winners will be speculators.” That’s rich, coming from the primo speculator/manipulator and protégé of the even more infamous Rothschild banking dynasty.

Read more -

http://www.prisonplanet.com/billionaires-globalists-vs-the-people-as-brexit-d-day-vote-looms.html
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on June 23, 2016, 07:17:19 am
Leave just got killed in a couple of final polls. It would take a lot to come back from this so expect a Scottish indy referendum style result for the status quo (like 55/45) and hope for the best. Anything better than that may be a bonus at this point.

Ipsos Mori, phone (Excl. DKs.)
Remain: 52% (+5)
Leave: 48% (-5)

Populus, online / 21 - 22 Jun (Excl. DKs.)
Remain: 55%
Leave: 45%

Hi Stan I agree with you  . My personal opinion is no matter what way this vote goes its going to hurt both the Conservative party and the Labour party , I hope UKIP will pick up some of the vote out voters from both these parties.

That's one positive to take from this. There has to be some kind of re-alignment when it comes to voting patterns and that's at least interesting to watch. It may be just the odd point here and there or it may be something more significant. The general election polls will become intriguing to watch again.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 23, 2016, 07:26:01 am
^^^


.... rigging the vote in ole UK?


Title: Something Strange Emerges When Looking Behind The “Brexit” Bookie Odds
Post by: Letsbereal on June 23, 2016, 07:27:53 am
Something Strange Emerges When Looking Behind The “Brexit” Bookie Odds
22 June 2016
, by Tyler Durden (Zero Hedge)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-22/something-strange-emerges-when-looking-behind-brexit-bookie-odds


Like said, first you rig the polls so that later you can say, when you rig the votes, that the polls predicted that.

It worked in the Scotland referendum so it certainly will work here.

If you are willing to murder rigging the polls and votes is only 'soft' tyranny.


Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 23, 2016, 07:37:51 am
... for the REMAINERS ... scaremongering
is the order of the day:


Britain’s Newspaper Front Pages Show
Positive Brexit, Scaremongering Remain

NICK HALLETT  23 Jun 2016

Britain’s newspaper front pages this morning highlight the stark difference in tone between the Brexit and the Remain campaigns.

While the pro-Brexit papers are generally positive, showing British flags and urging people for vote for their country, the Remain papers speak of a “leap in the dark”, “last-ditch” attempts and the country’s future being on a “kife-edge.

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/CllXwYzWIAERaPp.jpg-large-805x1024.jpeg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/CllXwYzWIAERaPp.jpg-large-805x1024.jpeg.html)

√ ALSO A GOOD PLACE TO WATCH UPDATES THROUGHOUT THE DAY:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/23/britains-newspaper-front-pages-show-positive-brexit-scaremongering-remain/

AND TORRENTIAL RAINS DAMPEN THE VOTE:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3655775/The-polls-finally-open-Britain-s-historic-Referendum-vote-latest-polls-Remain-camp-lead-six-points-weather-swing-Brexit.html
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 23, 2016, 07:48:33 am
^^^


.... rigging the vote in ole UK?

Brexit supporters urged to take own pens
to polling station amid fears of MI5 conspiracy

Nearly a third of Ukip voters believe that MI5 are involved
in a plot to rig the vote, according to a survey this week

Andrew Griffin

Quote
Voters should bring along pens to EU referendum polling stations to avoid an MI5 plot, according to Leave campaigners.

Backers of Brexit are urging people to write in pen and make sure that their ballot papers can’t be erased after the votes have been cast.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-brexit-how-to-vote-own-pens-polling-station-polls-live-latest-mi5-conspiracy-fears-a7097011.html
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Letsbereal on June 23, 2016, 08:21:51 am
D day - Occupying Britain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2oW6pITzRo

Jun 23, 2016 jberni1
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 23, 2016, 09:25:20 am
[ Weather Kontrol? ]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-weather-polling-station-chaos-8263371
UK weather: Polling station chaos as flooding storm batters South of England
23 Jun 2016, 3:17pm
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Portal%20Curated/floods-medium.png)

People are reporting they can't get to their polling station after a major storm drenched the South East
...
Major storms in the South of England have left polling stations flooded leaving Brits struggling through driving rain to cast their vote in the EU referendum .

But with polls showing Leave and Remain neck-and-neck , could the inclement weather actually affect the outcome of the crunch vote?

Yesterday, the BBC asked their polling guru Professor John Curtice, if the weather was likely to affect the outcome of the referendum.

He said: "Very, very rarely. There have been occasions in British elections where one part of the country has had the usual British rain and another has had a glimmer of sunshine and it’s had no perceptible impact on the level of turnout.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 23, 2016, 11:22:32 am
probably not since I think there's quiet a few remain voters down south.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 23, 2016, 12:58:07 pm
No Exit Polls for BrExit ... Hmmmm.... No corruption here ... nope look away ... no voter fraud here

http://qz.com/714976/why-theres-no-exit-poll-after-the-brexit-vote/
Why there’s no exit poll after the Brexit

On the day in which Britain’s future hangs in the balance, you would think that people would be on tenterhooks, eager for exit poll results to discuss and decipher.

They won’t get any. There will be no official exit poll results, not even after the polls close at 10pm today (June 23), because this referendum is such an anomaly that there is no way to design a reliable exit poll.


Regular exit polls are run by asking people at a sample of voting booths across the country how they voted, and then comparing the results with surveys from the same locations
in previous elections. “The changes can be projected to build up a national picture,” the Independent explains.

But since Britain is voting on whether or not it will stay in the EU, a topic that has not been part of a general election, there is no baseline. “There is no last time this time,” says John Curtice, a professor at Strathclyde University said. The last referendum on the subject was 41 years ago and it’s safe to say the country has changed a bit over the years.

...

Regardless of who commissions an exit poll, results can’t be reported until after the polls close. Section 66 of the Representation of the People Act of 1983 bans the publication of any forecasts or predictions for elections before the polls are closed. People can say—or tweet, or Instagram—how they voted, but they cannot tally their friends’ votes and stick that on Facebook
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 23, 2016, 01:16:18 pm
Fashion Alert report - BR-remain - Beckham :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/people/victoria-beckham-shows-support-for-remain-campaign-in-red-and-bl/
Victoria Beckham shows support for Remain campaign in red and blue

By Alice Newbold,  Junior Style Editor 
 23 June 2016 • 12:19pm   

Her signature wardrobe usually comprises sleek monochrome separates and muted neutrals, but yesterday Victoria Beckham decided to buck her own trend. Stepping out of her New York hotel, the designer packed a punch in brilliant blue trousers and a postbox red crew-neck knit. It was a ‘double take’ moment to say the least.
...

Read between the lines, however, and it was no coincidence that Beckham decided to showcase a new found love of vibrant red and blue- the colours comandeered by the official Remain campaign- the day before the EU referendum.

 - - - -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Beckham
Victoria Caroline Beckham (née Adams; born 17 April 1974)[2][3] is an English businesswoman, fashion designer, model and singer. In the late 1990s, Beckham rose to fame with the all-female pop group Spice Girls and was dubbed Posh Spice by the July 1996 issue of the British music magazine
...

Beckham attended St. Mary's High School in Cheshunt, where she was embarrassed by her family's wealth and often begged her father not to drop her off outside the school in their Rolls Royce.[16] Eventually, she became a member of a band called Persuasion
...
In 2007, it was reported that Beckham was the 52nd richest woman in Britain[97] and the 19th richest person in Britain with husband David, with an estimated joint wealth of £112 million ($225 million).[5] According to The Guardian, Beckham Ventures, a company linked to the Victoria Beckham fashion business, was the best performing brand in the family's three businesses in 2012, coming close to matching turnover in a sister company that promotes the David Beckham brand.[8]
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 23, 2016, 05:27:19 pm
makes me laugh when rich celebs some of whom don't live in England anymore lecture us plebs that we must stay in the eu.

https://twitter.com/BBCRichardMoss/status/746100909877436417

Labour sources say sampling in Sunderland suggest 54% Leave, 46% Remain.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 23, 2016, 07:36:14 pm
... at this point, still TOO CLOSE to call ... BUT,

LEAVE is GAINING GROUND! DON'T GIVE UP THE SHIP JUST YET!

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/22/finally-britons-vote-today-historic-european-union-referendum/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-23/pound-surge-builds-as-polls-show-u-k-to-remain-in-eu-yen-slips

SKY NEWS COVERAGE:
http://news.sky.com/watch-live
Title: Forget Brexit, There Is A Far Bigger Risk To The Global Economy
Post by: Letsbereal on June 23, 2016, 07:40:02 pm
Forget Brexit: According To Albert Edwards, There Is A Far Bigger Risk To The Global Economy
22 June 2016
, by Tyler Durden (Zero Hedge)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-22/forget-brexit-according-albert-edwards-there-far-bigger-risk-global-economy

Excerpt:

Albert Edwards: Thinking about this from the point of view of my Ice Age thesis, where interest rates cannot be normalised because of economic weakness and deflation pressures persisting throughout this recovery, I would have thought a 20% sterling devaluation is exactly the antidote needed in the current circumstances. The pound will fall with or without Brexit.

The far bigger risk to the global economy – the same risk that defined risk for the entire second half of 2016: China’s devaluation, which has returned, only this time it is far more strealthy which may explain why the market has largely ignored it for now. We believe China’s ongoing stealth devaluation of the renminbi is far more important for the global economy. Meanwhile, our attention has been diverted. China has embarked on a stealth devaluation of the renminbi. Its new trade-weighted currency basket has fallen 10% since just before its initial August 2015 devaluation (white line in chart below) and it has continued to decline since January even as the Rmb/dollar has stabilised.

The Wall Street Journal has reported that this is a deliberate shift in policy ?- link. China is now exporting its deflation, and my goodness it has a lot of deflation to export. In the Ice Age world, countries need to devalue to avoid deflation. So if sterling slumps in the aftermath of a Brexit vote there may be at least one silver lining outside the EU if the UK economy manages to avoid the quagmire of outright deflation.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 23, 2016, 08:17:17 pm
LEAVE = 56%
REMAIN = 44%


Scotland is going BIG for LEAVE ... may
or may not be enough to tip the scales.

^^^^

... NOTE: Poster got this backwards ...
Scotland, of course, voted bigtime REMAIN.

Title: BREXIT: PTB Will Rig Vote For "Remain" But People Waking Up
Post by: Letsbereal on June 23, 2016, 08:59:00 pm
Global Elite Resort to Voter Fraud to Prevent Brexit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chTeYqMvU3o
Jun 23, 2016 The Alex Jones Channel

Welcome to Dystopia Episode 23: BREXIT: PTB Will Rig Vote For "Remain" But People Waking Up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrC7uT2e9J4
Jun 23, 2016 WallStForMainSt

Sterling may devalue regardless of Brexit vote | Short View FT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbpdtSRNijQ
Jun 23, 2016 Financial Times

Brexit or Not, Stocks Likely to Fall Shortly. Mike Swanson - June 23, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xn2vaTh6Ew
Jun 23, 2016 Talk Digital Network


Like said, first you rig the polls so that later you can say, when you rig the votes, that the polls predicted that.

If you are willing to murder rigging the polls and votes is only 'soft' tyranny them.
Title: The All-Night Nailbiter: Support For “Leave” Far Stronger Than Expected
Post by: Letsbereal on June 23, 2016, 09:07:06 pm
The All-Night Nailbiter: Global Markets Slide As Support For “Leave” Far Stronger Than Expected
23 June 2016
, by Tyler Durden (Zero Hedge)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-23/nailbiter-continues-here-are-first-official-results-and-they-give-bremain-some-hope


It’s either voter fraud or a majority for ‘leave’ because people are not that stupid.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 23, 2016, 09:38:15 pm

... it seems the EU/REMAIN forces are seeing the
writing on the wall ...


MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN
God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end.
You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.
The kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on June 23, 2016, 10:04:27 pm
I think it's actually about 60% Remain for Scotland so far. Northern Ireland will only be a close Remain Victory in the end, while Wales and England should be Leave. Hopefully.

There were couple of groups which assumed a 50/50 nationwide result and then predicted how the 300+ counting regions would vote based on various data. Leave were over-performing early on but I didn't like to get my hopes up and we still don't have it in the bag.

This could be a great victory though. Let's hope Humanity 1 - Globalists 0.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 23, 2016, 11:04:36 pm
wow I'm surprised:

http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
BBC forecast: UK votes to leave the EU

Based on analysis of the remaining undeclared counts, the
BBC forecasts that UK has voted to leave the European Union by 52% to 48%.


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related?:
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html
Black Friday panic as world markets react to Britain voting to LEAVE the European Union in historic knife-edge referendum as the pound crashes to 31 YEAR low and stocks start tumbling
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Rex on June 23, 2016, 11:08:06 pm
Drudge has one of the flashing light headlines:

(http://rs463.pbsrc.com/albums/qq354/Eclectablog/animated-siren-gif.gif~c200)

GLOBAL ORDER JOLTED: UK LEAVES EU

Link goes to the BBC polling site:

http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

BBC forecast: UK votes to leave the EU

Based on analysis of the remaining undeclared counts, the BBC forecasts that UK has voted to leave the European Union by 52% to 48%....
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on June 24, 2016, 12:06:42 am
wow I'm surprised:

http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
BBC forecast: UK votes to leave the EU

Based on analysis of the remaining undeclared counts, the
BBC forecasts that UK has voted to leave the European Union by 52% to 48%.


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related?:
'
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
The service is unavailable.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html
Black Friday panic as world markets react to Britain voting to LEAVE the European Union in historic knife-edge referendum as the pound crashes to 31 YEAR low and stocks start tumbling


WOW!   Haven't seen the news yet and this was the
1st thread I wanted to see tonight.   

Tahoe Blue, according to my print out I get every evening

6-23-2016 1:16 PM   GOLD -0.69%  closed at $1,261.30
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on June 24, 2016, 12:11:23 am
Related -

  Proposed ‘EU Army’ Hidden From British Voters Until After Brexit


EU army proposal to remain hidden From British voters until day after Brexit vote

Clifford Cunningham
Prison Planet.com
June 23, 2016

As citizens of the United Kingdom prepare to cast their votes in a nationwide referendum to decide whether or not to leave the European Union, a plan detailing the initial framework for the creation of a European Union army is being kept hidden from the public until the day after the vote.

The Global Strategy on Foreign and Security Policy, which envisions the formation of new European military and operational structures, was drafted by Federica Mogherini, High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.

While the plan clearly lays the framework for a European Union army, details will not be released publicly until the day after the Brexit vote so as not to inflame public opinion in the UK.

Only a small group of EU political and security committee ambassadors, who are required to leave their electronic devices outside a sealed room, can read the proposal; however, they are allowed to take and remove handwritten notes.

Despite being dismissed by many, including former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat) who referred to the idea as “dangerous fantasy,” numerous high-level officials in the EU have suggested the idea in the past.

Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission and a former Prime Minister and Finance Minister of Luxembourg, is a long-time advocate for the creation of an EU army to combat the perceived threat to Europe from Russia.


“You would not create a European army to use it immediately,” he said. “But a common army among the Europeans would convey to Russia that we are serious about defending the values of the European Union.”

Ursula von der Leyen, Germany’s Minister of Defense and a close political ally of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, has openly suggested the creation of an EU army is inevitable.

“The European Army is our long-term goal, but first we have to strengthen the European Defence Union,” she said.

Nigel Farage, the head of UKIP, has blasted European Commission President Juncker for using manufactured crises as an excuse to push the creation of an EU army.

“We ourselves in the European Union provoked the conflict through our territorial expansionism in the Ukraine. We poked the Russian bear with a stick, and unsurprisingly, Putin reacted. But this now is to be used as an opportunity to build a European army… And Mr. Juncker said, we must convey to Russia that we are serious. Who do you think you are kidding, Mr. Juncker?”

Liam Fox, former Defense Minister under Prime Minister Cameron, has warned these initial plans demonstrate the EU has married itself to the “dangerous fantasy” of a single continental army.

“Those of us who have always warned about Europe’s defence ambitions have always been told not to worry, but step-by-step that ever closer union is becoming a reality. We cannot afford to be conned in this referendum as we were conned in 1975,” he said.

Andrew Bridgen, the Conservative MP for North West Leicestershire, said: “This is the way the EU operates. The people were deceived about the aims of the EU in 1975 and they’re being deceived again today…This blows out of the water the Prime Minister’s claim that we’re being excluded from ever closer union. Voters are being hoodwinked once again.”

The prospect of the United Kingdom leaving the EU was a major topic of discussion as the global elite who compromise the Bilderberg Group gathered in Dresden, Germany this week.

“The Bilderberg Group has been nurturing the EU to life since the 1950s, and now they see their creation under dire threat,” said Charlie Skelton, a reporter for International Business Times covering Bilderberg.

“For Bilderberg, as for Goldman Sachs, the idea that there might be any kind of push-back against globalisation is a horrific one,” he continued.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/proposed-eu-army-hidden-from-british-voters-until-after-brexit.html
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on June 24, 2016, 04:22:15 am
Drudge has one of the flashing light headlines:

(http://rs463.pbsrc.com/albums/qq354/Eclectablog/animated-siren-gif.gif~c200)

GLOBAL ORDER JOLTED: UK LEAVES EU

Link goes to the BBC polling site:

http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

BBC forecast: UK votes to leave the EU

Based on analysis of the remaining undeclared counts, the BBC forecasts that UK has voted to leave the European Union by 52% to 48%....

Congratulations.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Letsbereal on June 24, 2016, 04:51:29 am
Leave
51.9%
Votes 17,410,742 Votes


Remain
Vote share
48.1%
Votes 16,141,241 Votes


http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

It’s All Over As “Leave” Wins Brexit Referendum: Markets Everywhere Are Crashing http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-23/nailbiter-continues-here-are-first-official-results-and-they-give-bremain-some-hope?page=1

UK Prime Minister David Cameron To Resign -“Country Requires Fresh Leadership” http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/uk-prime-minister-david-cameron-resign-country-requires-fresh-leadership

Key Brexit Question: Is Cameron The Biggest Liar In History? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/key-brexit-question-cameron-biggest-liar-history

“Victory For Freedom” – Le Pen Demands Referendum For France http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/victory-freedom-le-pen-demands-referendum-france

"Now It's Our Turn" - Geert Wilders Calls For A Dutch Referendum http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/now-its-our-turn-geert-wilders-calls-dutch-referendum

Italy's Northern League To Launch EU Referendum Campaign Next http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/italys-northern-league-launch-eu-referendum-campaign-next

Brexit: All The Latest News, What Happens Next http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/brexit-all-latest-news-what-happens-next-and-how-trade-it

- U.K. PM Cameron says will continue in role for three months, says the next PM will decide when to trigger article 50

- Govt paper on the process of withdrawing from the EU shows U.K. and union members will have 2 years to negotiate initially; period can be extended if all remaining 27 members agree

- “The EU procedures for leaving the European Union are clearly spelled out and will be applied. That creates reliability,” German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble says in e-mailed statement


June 23 Will Be Our Independence Day, Says Farage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1mJyf6ddQ

Nigel Farage: Independence Day - Britain Votes to Leave European Union https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0X99Ma9T4

Brexit – British independence :jberni1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GFfKyFDV_k


Like said, it’s either voter fraud or a majority for ‘leave’ because people are not that stupid.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on June 24, 2016, 06:05:57 am
Leave
51.9%
Votes 17,410,742 Votes


Remain
Vote share
48.1%
Votes 16,141,241 Votes


http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

It’s All Over As “Leave” Wins Brexit Referendum: Markets Everywhere Are Crashing http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-23/nailbiter-continues-here-are-first-official-results-and-they-give-bremain-some-hope?page=1

UK Prime Minister David Cameron To Resign -“Country Requires Fresh Leadership” http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/uk-prime-minister-david-cameron-resign-country-requires-fresh-leadership

Key Brexit Question: Is Cameron The Biggest Liar In History? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/key-brexit-question-cameron-biggest-liar-history

“Victory For Freedom” – Le Pen Demands Referendum For France http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/victory-freedom-le-pen-demands-referendum-france

"Now It's Our Turn" - Geert Wilders Calls For A Dutch Referendum http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/now-its-our-turn-geert-wilders-calls-dutch-referendum

Italy's Northern League To Launch EU Referendum Campaign Next http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/italys-northern-league-launch-eu-referendum-campaign-next

Brexit: All The Latest News, What Happens Next http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/brexit-all-latest-news-what-happens-next-and-how-trade-it

- U.K. PM Cameron says will continue in role for three months, says the next PM will decide when to trigger article 50

- Govt paper on the process of withdrawing from the EU shows U.K. and union members will have 2 years to negotiate initially; period can be extended if all remaining 27 members agree

- “The EU procedures for leaving the European Union are clearly spelled out and will be applied. That creates reliability,” German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble says in e-mailed statement


June 23 Will Be Our Independence Day, Says Farage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1mJyf6ddQ

Nigel Farage: Independence Day - Britain Votes to Leave European Union https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0X99Ma9T4

Brexit – British independence :jberni1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GFfKyFDV_k


Like said, it’s either voter fraud or a majority for ‘leave’ because people are not that stupid.

But Serbian government still want to join EU !  :o :(

http://www.tanjug.rs/full-view_en.aspx?izb=253483http://
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 24, 2016, 06:13:45 am
falling dominos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghfg7t5g7KE

Cameron is gone ... good riddance. Who's next?
Italy? Greece? France? Germany?
The PEOPLE are reshuffling the deck ...
to hell with the NWO! To hell with the rigged markets!

Boris: We Have A Glorious Opportunity
http://news.sky.com/story/1716960/boris-we-have-a-glorious-opportunity
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on June 24, 2016, 06:31:32 am
My pro-EU neighbor says it passes not over.
"The British Parliament gives the final word. "
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 24, 2016, 06:36:08 am

... Clinton/Obama must be running scared
this morning, So you thought TRUMPMANIA
was a fluke? GET READY!

DRUDGE: "Hillary, Obama on WRONG side of history... "

Brexit: Britain Votes with Trump,
against Hillary, Obama

JOEL B. POLLAK  23 Jun 2016

British voters chose to “leave” the European Union on Thursday, defying the polls — and President Barack Obama, who had urged Britain to “remain” in the EU. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had also urged Britain to stay in the EU. Only Donald Trump had backed the campaign to leave.

Republican strategists had panned Trump’s decision to travel to the UK in the midst of campaign turmoil, and in the wake of his blistering attack on Hillary Clinton earlier this week.

Now, however, it looks like a risk that paid off handsomely, in the currency of foreign policy credibility.

Obama’s advice may have pushed some voters to “leave.” In April, he warned British voters they would be at the “back of the queue” in trade with the U.S. if they left the EU. Some, like Andrew Roberts, took offense, writing in the Wall Street Journal:

Surely—surely—this is an issue on which the British people, and they alone, have the right to decide, without the intervention of President Obama, who adopted his haughtiest professorial manner when lecturing us to stay in the EU, before making the naked threat that we would be sent “to the back of the queue” (i.e., the back of the line) in any future trade deals if we had the temerity to vote to leave.

Was my country at the back of the line when Winston Churchill promised in 1941 that in the event of a Japanese attack on the U.S., a British declaration of war on Japan would be made within the hour?


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/23/brexit-britain-votes-trump-hillary-obama/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 24, 2016, 06:45:32 am
" ... England is now closer to the
true Europe than ever before”.


Europe’s Right Reacts With Joy And
Hope To British Brexit

OLIVER JJ LANE 24 Jun 2016

The right-wing parties of Europe who have been keenly watching
Britain’s EU referendum with an eye on their own efforts to exit
the European Union have reacted to the Brexit vote with jubilation today.


Leaders and activists of populist right parties from across the continent sent congratulations this morning and called for referendums for their own nations.

First among the leaders to offer his congratulations was Dutch Party for Freedom boss Geert Wilders who said in a press release this morning that “[today] will go down in history as Britain’s Independence Day. The Europhile elite has been defeated.

“Britain points Europe the way to the future and to liberation. It is time for a new start, relying on our own strength and sovereignty. [The same is true] in the Netherlands”.

Speaking on his desire to bring about a referendum on his own nation’s membership of the EU, Mr. Wilders said: “A recent survey (EenVandaag, Dutch television) shows that a majority of the Dutch want a referendum on EU membership. It also shows that more Dutch are in favour of exit than of remaining in the EU.

Quote
Also praising Britain for her historic decision and demanding their own referendum were the French, through Front National (FN) leader Marine Le Pen, presently surging in the polls for the presidential elections next year.

Changing her Twitter avatar to a Union Jack in celebration of the British, the FN leader wrote: “A victory of freedom! As I [have demanded] for years, it is now necessary to have a referendum in France and the countries of the EU”.

In Italy, leader of the Northern Leage (Lega Nord, LN) also heaped praise on the UK, writing: “Long live the courage of free citizens!

“Heart, head and pride fighting lies, threats and blackmail.

“Thanks to the UK, now it’s our turn”.


√ CONTINUE: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/24/europes-right-reacts-joy-british-brexit/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: PhoenixRising on June 24, 2016, 07:22:47 am
Well it's certainly been an interesting morning here in Scotland...

Brexit happened.   So yeah, there's that.

Cameron has resigned.

The Labour Party has mandated a Vote of No Confidence in their' Leader, Jeremy Corbin.

Scotland's First Minister Nichola Sturgeon has made a statement that a second Scottish Independence Referendum "is highly likely".

Northern Ireland's Gerry Adams, Senior Minister of the Sinn Fein Party is calling for a Referendum for Northern Ireland's exit from the UK.

Oh and Shares and the £ have plummeted.

...And all that before lunch.

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 24, 2016, 07:47:45 am
^^^

.... would Northern Ireland and Scotland ACTUALLY
sign their own Death Warrants .... to leave the UK
and maintain allegiance with a failing EU? They
REALLY want to be aligned with poverty stricken
ex-USSR wannabes and immigrant-swamped,
SHARIA-COMPLIANT Deutschland?

TRUMP IN SCOTLAND - VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k62z4plv8hA
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 24, 2016, 07:53:26 am
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/568354b6-dd73-4fbb-a5d5-cb1bb0b79cb2.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/568354b6-dd73-4fbb-a5d5-cb1bb0b79cb2.jpg.html)

Donald Trump:
Britons 'Took Back Control of Their Country'

Friday, 24 Jun 2016 04:46 AM

Donald Trump thrust himself into the heart of Britain's internal struggle on Friday, saying Britons had retaken control of their country by voting to leave the European Union.

In Scotland to reopen a golf resort, the wealthy New York businessman stopped to take questions from reporters after arriving in his signature helicopter at Turnberry near his clubhouse resort, a Scottish flag blowing in the wind.

Asked about Thursday's down-to-the-wire British vote, Trump said: "They took back control of their country. It's a great thing."

"People are angry, all over the world, they're angry," said Trump, who turned 70 this month.

Quote
"They're angry over borders, they're angry over people coming into the country and taking over. Nobody even knows who they are. They're angry about many, many things."

Asked if he meant in the United States or the United Kingdom, Trump said: "There's plenty of other places. This will not be the last."

Weeks ago Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for the Nov. 8 presidential election, said he would be inclined to leave the EU. On Friday he told reporters:

"I said this was going to happen and I think that it's a great thing."

Wearing a white hat emblazoned with his "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan, Trump walked up the steps toward the clubhouse with daughter Ivanka and son Eric. Two bagpipers walked ahead of them.

√ CONTINUE: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-britons-took-back/2016/06/24/id/735399/?ns_mail_uid=5155307&ns_mail_job=1675138_06242016&s=al&dkt_nbr=pxe5j3gn
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: PhoenixRising on June 24, 2016, 08:17:31 am
^^^

.... would Northern Ireland and Scotland ACTUALLY
sign their own Death Warrants .... to leave the UK
and maintain allegiance with a failing EU? They
REALLY want to be aligned with poverty stricken
ex-USSR wannabes and immigrant-swamped,
SHARIA-COMPLIANT Deutschland?

TRUMP IN SCOTLAND - VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k62z4plv8hA

Dear God, I can only hope not!?   

...However us Scots and Irish can be so bloody patriotic sometimes that I fear we might go all Braveheart and charge into Independence without even pausing to yell FREEDOM...   Hopefully common sense will prevail.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 24, 2016, 08:29:55 am
^^^


... I think so.   :)

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 24, 2016, 09:05:32 am
It was just so interesting how most of all the globalists DE-Cloaked for this as they are for Trump ...

words from UKIP :


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-recession-economy-what-happens-nigel-farage-speech-a7099301.html
Nigel Farage's triumphalist Brexit speech crossed the borders of decency

'This is a victory for ordinary people, for good people, for decent people'

Tom Peck |@tompeck |
5 hours  ago|
277 comments

“We have done it without having to fight, we have done it without a bullet being fired. Dare to dream that the dawn is breaking on an independent nation.”

They are the words you’ll be hearing many times over, for decades to come, said by Nigel Farage at 4am on June 24, as, without having set foot in the House of Commons, he became the most influential politician in his country’s recent history

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 24, 2016, 09:10:56 am
Boris Johnson:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36618734

Brexit: Boris Johnson says UK not 'turning its back' on Europe
2 hours ago
 From the section EU Referendum
 
Boris Johnson: "There is no need for haste"

Boris Johnson has insisted the UK is not "turning its back" on Europe after its decision to vote to leave the EU.

The decision would not make the UK any less tolerant nor outward looking and would not reduce opportunities for young people, the ex-London mayor said.

The UK, he added, had a "glorious opportunity" to take control and "take the wind out of the sails" of those "playing politics" with immigration.

Mr Johnson has been installed as the bookies' favourite to succeed the PM.
◾Cameron to quit as UK votes to leave EU
◾Follow the latest news on the BBC's EU referendum live page

The former Conservative mayor of London has been installed as favourite to take over as Conservative leader after Mr Cameron announced he would step down by October, but he declined to comment on the issue.

...

'No less united'

Reaching out to those who voted for the UK to remain, particularly young people who are thought to have backed staying in, he said the UK would still have a strong voice in global affairs as an economic powerhouse and a compassionate and open-minded nation.

"To those who may be anxious, whether at home or abroad, this does not mean that the United Kingdom will be in any way less united, nor indeed does it mean that it will be any less European... that this decision involves pulling up a drawbridge or some sort of isolationism - I think the opposite is true. We cannot turn our backs on Europe. We are part of Europe."

While the EU was a "noble ideal for its time" it "was no longer right for this country", he said.

"We can find our voice in the world again, a voice that is commensurate with the fifth-biggest economy on Earth," he said. "I believe we now have a glorious opportunity: we can pass our laws and set our taxes entirely according to the needs of the UK economy."

Earlier, as he left his home on Friday Mr Johnson was mobbed by reporters and booed by some members of the public in a sign of how fractious the campaign became.
...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Letsbereal on June 24, 2016, 09:18:46 am
Leave: 51.9%
Votes: 17,410,742


Votes: 16,141,241
Remain: 48.1%


http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

June 23 Will Be Our Independence Day, Says Farage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1mJyf6ddQ

“Victory For Freedom” – Le Pen Demands Referendum For France http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/victory-freedom-le-pen-demands-referendum-france

"Now It's Our Turn" - Geert Wilders Calls For A Dutch Referendum http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/now-its-our-turn-geert-wilders-calls-dutch-referendum

Italy's Northern League To Launch EU Referendum Campaign Next http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/italys-northern-league-launch-eu-referendum-campaign-next

Brexit: All The Latest News, What Happens Next http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/brexit-all-latest-news-what-happens-next-and-how-trade-it

- U.K. PM Cameron says will continue in role for three months, says the next PM will decide when to trigger article 50

- Govt paper on the process of withdrawing from the EU shows U.K. and union members will have 2 years to negotiate initially; period can be extended if all remaining 27 members agree

- “The EU procedures for leaving the European Union are clearly spelled out and will be applied. That creates reliability,” German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble says in e-mailed statement


UK Prime Minister David Cameron To Resign -“Country Requires Fresh Leadership” http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/uk-prime-minister-david-cameron-resign-country-requires-fresh-leadership
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 24, 2016, 09:22:15 am
the vote map ... I find it interesting that my genealogical origins were for ( Somerset - Kings Lynn )  LEAVE:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/24/world/europe/how-britain-voted-brexit-referendum.html?action-click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region&_r=0
(https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2016/06/21/brexit-vote-map/3ea39172073468c22408da25f43b949b1863bfef/brexit-map-freeform-promo-wide.png)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Letsbereal on June 24, 2016, 09:30:54 am
the vote map ... I find it interesting that my genealogical origins were for ( Somerset - Kings Lynn )  LEAVE:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/24/world/europe/how-britain-voted-brexit-referendum.html?action-click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region&_r=0

Indeedy, so we can exactly see where those 'that stupid' are located.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 24, 2016, 09:48:01 am
Indeedy, so we can exactly see where those 'that stupid' are located.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/member-countries/
The EU was not always as big as it is today. When European countries started to cooperate economically in 1951, only Belgium, Germany, France, Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands participated.

Netherlands: EU member country since: 1 January 1958

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_in_World_War_II

The involvement of the Netherlands in World War II began with its invasion by Nazi Germany on 10 May 1940. The Netherlands had proclaimed neutrality when war broke out in September 1939, just as it had in World War I, but Adolf Hitler ordered it to be invaded anyway.[1] On 15 May 1940, one day after the bombing of Rotterdam, the Dutch forces surrendered.

The Dutch government and the royal family escaped and went into exile in London.

Following the defeat, the Netherlands was placed under German occupation, which endured in some areas until the German surrender in May 1945. Active resistance was carried out by a small minority, which grew in the course of the occupation. The occupiers deported the majority of the country's Jews to Nazi concentration camps, with the cooperation of the Dutch police and civil service.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 24, 2016, 11:08:18 am
Drudge:

http://www.drudgereport.com/
IT'S A BREXIT! RESULTS...
SKY LIVE... BBC LIVE...
France, Italy, Netherlands Now Want Referendum...
POUND IN HISTORIC COLLAPSE... STOCKS ROCKED... Plunge Protection Teams Mobilize... Global banks seek to reassure... SOROS GOES SHORT...
GREENSPAN: 'Just tip of the iceberg'...
CAMERON OUT... BORIS IN?
Merkel warns against kneejerk reaction...
FARAGE IN VICTORY...
'Europe will fall very soon'...
Hillary, Obama on WRONG side of history...
Second MAJOR BLOW to Obama in as many days...
Brexit could signal Trump winning White House...
Seismic break with Europe draws parallels with rise...

GLOBAL ORDER JOLTED
TRUMP: TIME TO BELIEVE IN AMERICA


(http://www.mygen.com/images/Drudge_2016_0624.jpg)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 24, 2016, 11:19:50 am
Who will be NEXIT? How Swexit, Czexit
and Frexit could now follow as aftershock
of Britain's political earthquake hits the continent


Quote
Eurosceptic parties across the continent are intensifying demands for their own referendums in the wake of the Brexit vote, as the repercussions of the political earthquake gradually become clear. Shortly after the result was announced, Marine Le Pen, the leader of the Front National in France, inset, called for a 'Frexit' vote on Twitter, while the far-Right Dutch firebrand Geert Wilders called for a 'Nexit'. And there are fears that Brexit could also trigger a Czexit, a Swexit, and a Grexit in the Czech Republic, Sweden and Greece. Even if the union holds, the political earthquake that has erupted in Britain will have far-reaching aftershocks.

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/article-3657965-35A07A7A00000578-959_308x487.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/article-3657965-35A07A7A00000578-959_308x487.jpg.html)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 24, 2016, 11:46:47 am

EU referendum live: David Cameron resigns as UK shocks the world ...
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../2016/.../24/eu-referendum-r.

 This is only the beggining....The globalist insiders must have a mapped a retaliation, I hate to think what it will be.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on June 24, 2016, 12:10:46 pm
By the President of the anti globalist Serb Radical Party and member of Parliament Dr. Seselj "tweet":  :)

Lovely summer morning, what wonderful news that pleased the entire Serbian nation. The English have hammered a stake into the heart of the carcass - the European Union.  :D

https://twitter.com/predsednikSRS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfwhttp://
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 24, 2016, 01:24:39 pm
kitco's back up ... hmmm...
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
http://www.kitco.com/finance/details.html?j1_module=indiceDetail&popup=1&j1_symbol=$DOWI&j1_override=&j1_region=

DJIA 17,511.01  -500.06
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 24, 2016, 02:27:37 pm
Dear God, I can only hope not!?   

...However us Scots and Irish can be so bloody patriotic sometimes that I fear we might go all Braveheart and charge into Independence without even pausing to yell FREEDOM...   Hopefully common sense will prevail.

Go all Braveheart? Hmm..you mean when Scottish people bled and died in order to try to take Scotland away from the English elites and give it back to the Scottish elites?

Interestingly, a similar thing has happened today. This Brexit is the withered hand of the old British establishment duping the working class into giving them back control of the UK.

The Queen signaled her wishes just a day before the vote, as she did with the last Scottish referendum, and the people obliged.

Let us be very clear about this. The idea that Brexit is some sort of move for freedom or independence is ludicrous. Britons have NOT re-taken control of their country. We will go from a sort of separation of powers between the British establishment and the EU, to a return to full blown control exerted by the worst examples of hegemonic parasites the world has ever seen.

Scotland will, I hope, have a fresh vote for independence and when this happens will be an independent state within the EU, which is what the vast majority of her population wish to do.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 24, 2016, 02:47:25 pm
LEAVE = 56%
REMAIN = 44%


Scotland is going BIG for LEAVE ... may
or may not be enough to tip the scales.

You've got that the wrong way around.
Scotland went big for Remain, and will now go even bigger for independence and continued membership of the EU as an independent nation (then they'll be free to ban Trump if they want to lol).
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 24, 2016, 03:06:09 pm
I have to agree ... but it is breaking the back of the EU ...  which slows the NWO agenda ... which slows the progression of globalized slavery. I think the whole SNP Scotland thing is a propaganda MKultra op ,... An independent Scotland EU member? wrong direction, Globalists are in love with the SNP!

Also I would say that Scotland has a better chance of reformed representation with a non-EU UK.


Go all Braveheart? Hmm..you mean when Scottish people bled and died in order to try to take Scotland away from the English elites and give it back to the Scottish elites?

Interestingly, a similar thing has happened today. This Brexit is the withered hand of the old British establishment duping the working class into giving them back control of the UK.

The Queen signaled her wishes just a day before the vote, as she did with the last Scottish referendum, and the people obliged.

Let us be very clear about this. The idea that Brexit is some sort of move for freedom or independence is ludicrous. Britons have NOT re-taken control of their country. We will go from a sort of separation of powers between the British establishment and the EU, to a return to full blown control exerted by the worst examples of hegemonic parasites the world has ever seen.

Scotland will, I hope, have a fresh vote for independence and when this happens will be an independent state within the EU, which is what the vast majority of her population wish to do.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 24, 2016, 03:19:28 pm
You've got that the wrong way around.
Scotland went big for Remain, and will now go even bigger for independence and continued membership of the EU as an independent nation (then they'll be free to ban Trump if they want to lol).


... sorry, of course. Glad you caught that. My bad!
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 24, 2016, 03:26:15 pm

quote Changeling:
"We will go from a sort of separation of powers between the British establishment and the EU, to a return to full blown control exerted by the worst examples of hegemonic parasites the world has ever seen. "

I am trying to make sense of this statement. First of all, who are the
"hegemonic parasites"? Big business? Banksters? Royal family?
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 24, 2016, 05:51:02 pm
Well I am thrilled with the result . once again the Conservative and Labour party have shown just how out of touch they are with the working class of this country and a lot of other people aswell . Cameron is going , and I would be very surprised if Corbyn the Labour Party leader still has the job for much longer . It speaks volumes when Wales a place with high unemployment (and receive more money from the Eu than they put in ) still voted leave . A grerat day for Freedoom and Democracy . It will be interesing to see who else in the EU might demand a referendoom . it is not the big old happy club apart from us brits they would have you think .
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 24, 2016, 07:08:58 pm
Oh just in case you missed this:

https://www.rt.com/news/346884-switzerland-eu-membership-application-rejected/
Switzerland withdraws longstanding application to join EU
Published time: 16 Jun, 2016 06:54

The upper house of the Swiss parliament on Wednesday voted to invalidate its 1992 application to join the European Union, backing an earlier decision by the lower house. The vote comes just a week before Britain decides whether to leave the EU in a referendum.
...
Hannes Germann, also representing Schaffhausen, highlighted the symbolic importance of the vote, comparing it to Iceland’s decision to drop its membership bid in 2015.

Iceland had the courage and withdrew the application for membership, so no volcano erupted,” he said, jokingly.
...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 24, 2016, 07:27:30 pm
TTIP on the skids ...
(http://thyblackman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015-obama-frown.jpg)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ttip-idUSKCN0ZA2V0
Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:54pm EDT
UK 'Leave' vote deflates hopes for U.S.-EU trade deal
WASHINGTON  |  By David Lawder

Britain's looming exit from the European Union is another huge setback for negotiations on a massive U.S.-EU free trade deal that were already stalled by deeply entrenched differences and growing anti-trade sentiment on both sides of the Atlantic.

The historic divorce launched by Thursday's vote will almost certainly further delay substantial progress in the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) talks as the remaining 27 EU states sort out their own new relationship with Britain, trade experts said on Friday.

With French and German officials increasingly voicing skepticism about TTIP's chances for success, the United Kingdom's departure from the deal could sink hopes of a deal before President Barack Obama leaves office in January.

"This is yet another reason why TTIP will likely be postponed," said Heather Conley, European program director at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank in Washington.

"But to be honest, TTIP isn't going anywhere, I believe, before 2018 at the earliest," she said.
...

for the BrExit people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU
Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry Be Happy

(http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-here-s-a-little-song-i-wrote-you-might-want-to-sing-it-note-for-note-don-t-worry-be-bobby-mcferrin-107-4-0406.jpg)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on June 25, 2016, 02:07:13 am
Hoo Boy!  The global markets took a beating today with BREXIT!
Gold sure looks good though!  I say Congratulations to all those
who voted to leave the EU.  May BREXIT  spread to other countries
and give the global NWO  the middle finger!
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on June 25, 2016, 02:30:06 am
"It’s Scary, And I’ve Never Seen Anything Like It" -
 Where Markets Are The Morning After   



by Tyler Durden
Jun 24, 2016 6:44 AM

For those of you who are just waking up, first of all, congratulations. Here is what you missed.

European, Asian stocks and S&P futures plummet, as U.K. votes to leave European Union membership. FX carry trades everywhere go haywire, with the Dollar and Yen spiking while the Cable overnight plunged to 30 year lows and at last check was trading just around 1.37, down 1,300 pips from yesterday's highs. A modest rebound was experienced when first the Bank of England and shortly after all other central banks promised to pump virtually unlimited liquidity into the financial system. Ironically, all of this takes place a day after Fed’s stress tests showing all 33 banks exceed minimum requirements - we may find out just how "unstressed" they are as soon as today.

For those who are pressed for time, the following quote from James Butterfill, head of research and investments at ETF Securities, summarized it best: "It’s scary, and I’ve never seen anything like it. We’re going to see outflows from basically any kind of cyclical asset. A lot of people were caught out, and many investors will lose a lot of money.”

Here are key market updates:

    S&P 500 futures down 3.9% to 2023
    Stoxx 600 down 7% to 322
    MSCI Asia Pacific down 4.1% to 125
    US 10-yr yield down 22bps to 1.53%
    Dollar Index up 1.86% to 95.27
    WTI Crude futures down 4.2% to $48.00
    Brent Futures down 4.3% to $48.70
    Gold spot up 4.2% to $1,310
    Silver spot up 2.8% to $17.77


TOP NEWS:

    U.K. Votes for Brexit as Cameron Resigns After Historic Rupture: Prime minister to step down as Johnson weighs next step
    Pound Plunges to 30-Year Low as U.K. Assets Slide on Brexit: ‘There are certain days you never forget,’ says HSBC’s Bloom
    Carney Pledges $345 Billion to Fund First Line of Brexit Defense: Markets bets on a July interest rate cut climb to 50%
    Nationalist Parties Seize on Brexit to Demand Own EU Referendums: Le Pen, Wilders, Northern League call for vote
    Biggest U.S. Banks Seen Weathering Severe Stress in Fed Test: Regulators release results of Dodd-Frank mandated exercise
    Oil Tumbles After Brexit Vote as Traders Assess Lasting Impact: WTI, Brent down >6.6% as traders flee risky assets
    Gold Sees Biggest Gain Since 2008 in Rush for Havens From Brexit: Sterling-denominated gold jumps 15%, the most ever
    Xerox Appoints Jeff Jacobson as New Chief After Co. Split: Jacobson named as incoming CEO of document technology seller
    Albemarle, Fortive to Join S&P 500; Emcor Named to MidCap 400: Changes to be implemented after close of trading June 30




WHAT HAPPENED IN EUROPEAN MARKETS:
European shares sinks after U.K. voted to quit the European Union. All 19 Stoxx 600 sectors fall with banks, insurance underperforming and health care, food & beverage outperforming. 90% of Stoxx 600 members decline, 10% gain. “It’s scary, and I’ve never seen anything like it,” said James Butterfill, head of research and investments at ETF Securities, said by phone from London. “We’re going to see outflows from basically any kind of cyclical asset. A lot of people were caught out, and many investors will lose a lot of money.”

As the win for the Leave campaign in the EU referendum became clear, global equities plunged with the FTSE 100 falling as low as 8%, led by sharp losses in financials with UK banks (Barclays, Lloyds, RBS) lower by around 30% which has seen the iTraxx senior financials 5yr index (CDS on banks) soar to its highest level since February. As such, the fear of contagion from this outcome has seen European bourses heavily in the red (DAX -10%, Euro Stoxx -9%), while the E-mini S&P 500 saw a 5% fall to hit limit down.

However, in recent trade, equities have pulled off worst levels as markets find relative calm amid the BoE Governor stating that the central bank is willing to provide liquidity in the form of GBP 250b1n, while David Cameron announced that he will remain as PM till October in order to combat any immediate instability. Elsewhere, Gilt yields have seen its largest drop since 2009 to yet again print fresh record lows as investors flock to safe haven assets, while Bunds staggeringly opened slightly below 169.00 before paring somewhat, back to around 166.00. Of note, in the wake of the Brexit outcome, S&P have warned that the UK could lose its AAA sovereign rating, while the likes of Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and ING have all forecast an upcoming BoE rate cut.

EUROPEAN DATA:

    Stoxx 600 down 7% to 322
    FTSE 100 down 5.3% to 6003
    DAX down 6.6% to 9579
    German 10Yr yield down 17bps to -0.08%
    Italian 10Yr yield up 11bps to 1.51%
    Spanish 10Yr yield up 11bps to 1.58%
    S&P GSCI Index down 2.7% to 370.3




EUROPEAN TOP NEWS:

    Finance Chiefs Dismay Brexit as Bank Stocks Plunge Across Europe: Deutsche Bank CEO calls decision “negative on all sides”
    SNB Steps Into Currency Market Amid Brexit-Induced Stress: Swiss policy makers have repeatedly threatened interventions
    German Ifo Confidence Improved Even as Brexit Threat Loomed: Ifo business climate index rises to 108.7 from 107.8
    Deutsche Boerse Reaffirms Plan to Buy LSE After Brexit Vote: LSE equity holders to own 45.8% of the enlarged company
    S&P Prepares U.K. Ratings Downgrade as Britain Votes to Leave EU: S&P sees period of uncertainty that may prevail for years
    Henkel to Buy Sun Products for $3.6 Billion in Biggest U.S. Deal: Deal gives company No. 2 position in U.S. laundry care
    Rexel Fires CEO Provoost After Disagreement on Governance: Company veteran Patrick Berard named CEO as of July 1
    Air France-KLM Names Janaillac CEO and Chairman as of July 4: Janaillac to become chairman and CEO from July 4
    EDF CEO Says Strategy in U.K. Won’t Be Affected by Brexit Vote: Vote has no impact on co.’s strategy, Levy says
    IAG Sees Brexit Volatility Reducing Profit Growth This Year: No longer sees absolute op. profit increase in FY like ’15




WHAT HAPPENED IN ASIAN MARKETS:
Asian stocks slumps, heading for the steepest drop in 10 months. All 10 sectors drop in the MSCI Asia Pacific Index with materials, consumer discretionary underperforming and utilities, information technology outperforming. Yen briefly surged past 100 as Brexit in Lead in Results. “Fear is normally easier to profit from than greed. This is what we are seeing today,” said Ang Kok Heng, Kuala Lumpur-based chief investment officer at Phillip Capital Management Bhd., which oversees $630 million in Kuala Lumpur.

BoJ Governor Kuroda said he is ready to supply sufficient liquidity and to carefully watch effects on markets.
Risk assets tumbled overnight as the UK vote to leave the EU, which saw FTSE 100 futures briefly decline below the 5800. This also saw losses of around 200 points to the E-mini S&P and crashed Asian equity markets with Nikkei 225 declining as much as 8%, with Osaka futures triggering circuit breakers. Elsewhere, Shanghai Comp and Hang Seng conformed to the global sell-off with UK dual-listed financials including HSBC, Prudential and Standard Chartered under heavy pressure in Hong Kong taking on a likely Brexit. Finally, 10yr JGBs outperformed while T-notes rose around 2.5 points as the Brexit woes spur heavy flows into safer assets which also pushed gold higher by USD 80/oz. Japanese Finance Minister Aso pledged to take measures to calm markets and added that a Brexit will not have a sudden impact on the Japanese real economy.

ASIA DATA:

    MSCI Asia Pacific down 4.1% to 125
    Nikkei 225 down 7.9% to 14952
    Hang Seng down 2.9% to 20259
    Shanghai Composite down 1.3% to 2854
    S&P/ASX 200 down 3.2% to 5113




ASIA TOP NEWS:

    Yen Soars Past 100 Per Dollar as U.K. Vote Spurs Rush to Safety: Currency surges 18% versus pound as Britons choose Brexit
    Offshore Yuan Drops Most in Five Months as Brexit Victory Looms: PBOC injects most funds this week since April via operations
    HSBC, Standard Chartered Lead Asia Bank Rout as U.K. Votes ‘Out’: Banks have warned of U.K. job cuts in case of Brexit
    Brexit Brings Short-Lived Pain for India’s Largest IT Exporters: Cos. may benefit from increased demand in long term
    Hong Kong’s China Tourist Malaise Deepens From Bling to Buns: Sa Sa profit plunge 54% on poorer cosmetic sales to Chinese




In FX, the aftermath of the UK vote to leave the EU has seen Cable plummeting from its highs, which managed to print a 1.5000 handle before the news starting hitting the wires from the first regions reported. The sell-off led to the key spot rate recording lows around 1.3230, but the fallout has since been tempered, with what is an impressive recovery to within 30 ticks or so of the 1.4000 mark before moving back towards 1.3700. EUR/GBP highs tipped .8300, but London has since seen the cross rate dipping under .8000, but it is all early days as yet. Gains in the JPY and CHF have been notable also, but both the BoJ and SNB will have intervened to some degree — the SNB confirming as much after EUR/CHF well into to the low 1.0600's. USD/JPY took out 100.00 to print lows ahead of 99.00, but the recovery here —alongside some moderation in equities — has seen the 103.00 attained, but struggling to maintain a foothold here —understandable in the current climate. AUD, NZD and CAD have all lost out, but have been fighting back since —AUD in particular now only 2.5 cents off the overnight highs.

In commodities, heading into the North American crossover, WTI and Brent crude futures remain pressured on the back of the strength in the greenback, as such prices hover below USD 48 and USD 49 respectively. In terms of specific newsflow it has been somewhat muted given the focus revolving around the UK referendum. Separately, gold prices outperformed with participants flocking to safe-haven assets with the precious metal reaching highs of near USD 1360/oz in light of the EU referendum result, before paring some of the moves to head into the North American open around USD 1318/oz.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/it%E2%80%99s-scary-and-i%E2%80%99ve-never-seen-anything-it-where-markets-are-morning-after
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 25, 2016, 07:12:08 am
Brexit: Why The Globalists Lost
ALLUM BOKHARI & MILO YIANNOPOULOS   24 Jun 2016

There’s panic in the skyscrapers. A popular revolution against
globalism is underway, and Britain has struck the first blow.


To the dismay of political, financial, and media elites, the country has chosen to put identity and sovereignty above a plus-one-or-minus-one change in GDP, and vote to leave the hated European Union. As with the USSR, the attempt to superimpose a manufactured civic identity over proud nation-states with rich and complex histories has run against the grain of human nature. The elites, so wrapped up in statecraft and economics, never paused to consider basic human psychology.

Quote
The blindness of globalists to difference has been disastrous to western culture. The refusal of elites to acknowledge, for instance, that the Muslim world is dominated by one of the most hate-filled, bigoted ideologies in human history is a major reason for their current predicament, and certainly a motivating force behind Brexit.

Angela Merkel’s policy of importing millions of Muslims to Europe is an act of cultural suicide. It’s much like a capitalist country opening its borders to millions of working-class Russians in 1917. Sure, they might not all be Bolsheviks, but it’s still not a clever thing to do. Merkel herself looks more like Dr. Evil every day, with a worse hairdo.

But even if Islamic countries had peaceful cultures, the British people would still rebel at having to accept millions of people from foreign cultures hostile to assimilation. Because that would still be a challenge to their distinctiveness — the connection between national identity, national sovereignty, and a culture built up over thousands of years.

For millions of increasingly angry, and freshly politically motivated people, that’s more important than the strength of the pound. And that’s why the globalists will lose.

√ GREAT ARTICLE! READ HERE: http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/06/24/the-end-of-globalism/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 25, 2016, 08:58:17 am
article 50 of the Lisbon treaty hasn't been triggered and probably never will be the way thing are looking


Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 25, 2016, 09:10:13 am
... @WASHPO: not enough white people in the US anymore
to elect TRUMP and de-escalate GLOBALIZATION ... there
are just TOO MANY non-whites & immigrants, who generally
don't give a rat's a$$ about US HISTORY, Nationalism, etc.,
more concerned with NWO handouts, flow of wealth from
1st-to-3rd-world.


NON-WHITES = NO ALLEGIANCE (?)

WashPost: America Can’t Declare Economic
Independence Because Not Enough Whites

JULIA HAHN  24 Jun 2016

The Washington Post is reporting that U.S. might not be able to follow in the U.K.’s footsteps in reclaiming its economic independence because of the nation’s demographic makeup, which is the result of four decades of record high green card issuances to foreign nationals.

Quote
The Washington Post suggests that in order to have nationalist policies, the U.S. has to have a large population of whites in its country. Perversely, the Washington Post is essentially arguing that foreign nationals do not seem to have a strong enough allegiance to their new country to support a nationalist agenda over a more global, internationalist agenda — an argument, which dramatically undercuts the Washington Post’s general narrative on immigration and contradicts a core theme of its human interests stories, which seem designed to advance legislation that would expand U.S. immigration.

The demographic makeup the United States—which the Washington Post posits is the reason the U.S. could perhaps be incapable of voting in favor of reclaiming its national sovereignty—is the result of a Ted Kennedy-backed 1965 immigration rewrite, which opened up America’s borders to the world.

√ CONTINUE: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/24/washpost-american-cant-declare-economic-independence-not-enough-whites/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 25, 2016, 01:05:02 pm
here we go - keep voting till you get the result you want ... ( Like Hitler) :

Anti-Brexit protests break out on London streets after petition for a SECOND EU referendum hits 2million names in a day
Protesters want re-run despite Thursday's referendum attracting record 33.5million voters
Pro-EU demonstrators in London and Edinburgh take to the streets today 
Petition demands the Government re-stage the EU referendum because it was won by less than 20 per cent margin
It says another vote is necessary because turnout was below 75 per cent
Vote Leave beat Remain by less than 4 per cent margin and by 1.27m votes
After passing 2m names it is the most popular Parliament petition ever
But heat map shows most signatures come from people living in north London, Oxford, Cambridge and other areas with high student populations

By Matt Dathan, Political Correspondent For Mailonline
Published: 09:23 EST, 25 June 2016  | Updated: 12:49 EST, 25 June 2016
...

Because it easily passed the 100,000 target, MPs will be forced to consider the proposal in Parliament this summer
...
In London a separate petition is calling on Mayor Sadiq Khan to declare the capital independent from the United Kingdom, and apply to join the EU.

,..,
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/24/14/359D2DAF00000578-3658352-All_32_local_authorities_in_Scotland_delivered_a_vote_for_Remain-a-20_1466773771358.jpg)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659769/Anti-Brexit-protests-break-London-streets-petition-SECOND-EU-referendum-hits-1-5million-names-day.html#ixzz4CcDHeT00
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 01:25:31 pm
quote Changeling:
"We will go from a sort of separation of powers between the British establishment and the EU, to a return to full blown control exerted by the worst examples of hegemonic parasites the world has ever seen. "

I am trying to make sense of this statement. First of all, who are the
"hegemonic parasites"? Big business? Banksters? Royal family?

That would be the aforementioned British Establishment. Who are they? It varies a bit, but it is essentially members of the ruling oligarchy, which I suppose comprises the Royals, some aristocrat families, high level civil servants, certain banking families and others.

They have seen their power steadily eroded over the last 50 years, through the tax system (now being reversed) and also the EU, taking what the old Establishment considers to be theirs by right of birth. The separation of powers means exactly that - the Establishment had to give up more and more of its power to the EU. They, like the EU, are not elected and have been around for longer than the EU and are much more difficult to remove than the EU.

Make no mistake, it is the British Establishment who have most to celebrate today (I'm sure the Queen is purring again) and not the hapless dupes who voted for it, and who will also be forced to pay the price for it.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 01:36:54 pm
I have to agree ... but it is breaking the back of the EU ...  which slows the NWO agenda ... which slows the progression of globalized slavery. I think the whole SNP Scotland thing is a propaganda MKultra op ,... An independent Scotland EU member? wrong direction, Globalists are in love with the SNP!

Also I would say that Scotland has a better chance of reformed representation with a non-EU UK.


Scottish independence was not dreamed up by the SNP, but rather the reverse - the will to be an independent country is very broadly based within Scotland. They were scared away from it last time by tales of woe, and also the Queen got involved as usual.

This time the case is very different - go with the status quo and remain in the EU with the added bonus of being an independent country, or be wrenched away from the EU while being stuck in an unhappy marriage with England. Therefore the stability argument is no longer applicable to any case to stay with the UK, rather the reverse, and I think it will appeal to many more people this time, and the negotiations with the EU can take place at the same time as the UK negotiations on the terms of exit.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 01:49:51 pm
here we go - keep voting till you get the result you want ... ( Like Hitler) :

Anti-Brexit protests break out on London streets after petition for a SECOND EU referendum hits 2million names in a day
Protesters want re-run despite Thursday's referendum attracting record 33.5million voters
Pro-EU demonstrators in London and Edinburgh take to the streets today
Petition demands the Government re-stage the EU referendum because it was won by less than 20 per cent margin
It says another vote is necessary because turnout was below 75 per cent
Vote Leave beat Remain by less than 4 per cent margin and by 1.27m votes
After passing 2m names it is the most popular Parliament petition ever
But heat map shows most signatures come from people living in north London, Oxford, Cambridge and other areas with high student populations

By Matt Dathan, Political Correspondent For Mailonline
Published: 09:23 EST, 25 June 2016  | Updated: 12:49 EST, 25 June 2016
...

Because it easily passed the 100,000 target, MPs will be forced to consider the proposal in Parliament this summer
...
In London a separate petition is calling on Mayor Sadiq Khan to declare the capital independent from the United Kingdom, and apply to join the EU.

I think everyone should admit that a 51.9% to 48.1% margin is not at all convincing for such an enormous constitutional change, particularly when two out of the four nations in the UK voted to Remain, .

I don't know what the answer is - but it will not work out well to attempt to go ahead as if the Brexit has a broad based mandate, because it does not have such a mandate.

The petition is interesting - if they manage to get more signatures than the number of people who voted for Brexit then the whole thing would be as good as sunk. Even where it stands now - at over 2 million - it needs to be considered, and in all fairness, this issue of the disenfranchisement of so many people, and two whole nations, does need to be looked at very seriously. To have such a massive constitutional change, with such a small margin of support, and with such high concentrations of opposition in certain areas, cannot be reasonably justified imo.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 25, 2016, 02:06:03 pm
^^^

... I am American but am very well aware of the centuries-old
love/hate relationship between England & Scotland ... and I can
relate to the impulse for many Scots to go independent of
ENGLAND ... but breaking off to join the EU alone (if indeed it's
possible) looks like jumping from the frying pan into the fire,
from this side of the big water. True, it was a close election ...
I can't remember one that wasn't ...  but for the
Scots, who detest Big Sis Liz, etc, etc, etc, there would have
been several points greater spread. Just sayin'.

√ ~>Almost No One Turned Up For A Pro-EU Protest Outside Parliament
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/25/pictures-almost-no-one-turned-pro-eu-protest-outside-parliament/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 25, 2016, 02:25:21 pm
New York Post: Britain’s Vote for Freedom
Proves Power Is with the People


(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/nypost-revolt-cover-640x480.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/nypost-revolt-cover-640x480.jpg.html)

"That’s the beauty of Brexit, and of grand old England.
The people spoke, they were heard, and the wheel of
history is turning. Let’s get on with it."

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/25/new-york-post-britains-vote-for-freedom-proves-power-is-with-the-people/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 02:37:41 pm
^^^

... I am American but am very well aware of the centuries-old
love/hate relationship between England & Scotland ... and I can
relate to the impulse for many Scots to go independent of
ENGLAND ... but breaking off to join the EU alone (if indeed it's
possible) looks like jumping from the frying pan into the fire,
from this side of the big water. True, it was a close election ...
I can't remember one that wasn't ...  but for the
Scots, who detest Big Sis Liz, etc, etc, etc, there would have
been several points greater spread. Just sayin'.

√ ~>Almost No One Turned Up For A Pro-EU Protest Outside Parliament
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/25/pictures-almost-no-one-turned-pro-eu-protest-outside-parliament/

Well the Remain vote in Scotland was not so close - 63%/37%. This is what gives the Scottish government a real mandate to call another referendum. As to their support of the EU, I think they trust the EU more than they trust the government in London, as well as being more culturally aligned with Europe than with England, and they have also done well economically for being in the EU. Whatever the reason, one can't argue with the fact that Scots do wish to be in the EU and they do wish to be independent.

The vote in England and Wales was 56%/44%, which is a bit more decent that the overall 51.9%/48.1% but still somewhat thin for a change like this. Overall the vote margin is way too thin imo, and unless some form of accommodation can be found for the disenfranchised regions and people, it will probably fail in Parliament if not before (referendum itself is not binding unless voted though by Parliament).

That breitbart link is a bit disingenuous given the size of the actual demonstration:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683243/Brexit-protest-London-Bridge-parliament-EU-Referendum (and the Express is pro brexit)

The poster being held by young people in the breitbart piece saying 'you stole our future' is quite apt since the percentage of young people voting Remain was about 75%, and conversely almost 70% of over 65 year olds voted to Leave, making up a large proportion of the total.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 25, 2016, 02:44:17 pm
I think everyone should admit that a 51.9% to 48.1% margin is not at all convincing for such an enormous constitutional change, particularly when two out of the four nations in the UK voted to Remain, .

I don't know what the answer is - but it will not work out well to attempt to go ahead as if the Brexit has a broad based mandate, because it does not have such a mandate.

The petition is interesting - if they manage to get more signatures than the number of people who voted for Brexit then the whole thing would be as good as sunk. Even where it stands now - at over 2 million - it needs to be considered, and in all fairness, this issue of the disenfranchisement of so many people, and two whole nations, does need to be looked at very seriously. To have such a massive constitutional change, with such a small margin of support, and with such high concentrations of opposition in certain areas, cannot be reasonably justified imo.

 ah the petition were people on twitter are giving out their postcodes so anybody can sign it.

will be a hoot when the number of signatures exceeds the population of the uk  :D

https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/746765832223604736
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 03:12:01 pm
ah the petition were people on twitter are giving out their postcodes so anybody can sign it.

will be a hoot when the number of signatures exceeds the population of the uk  :D

https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/746765832223604736

I think this is about people giving post codes out so those from other countries can sign it? It's a load of old cobblers though since the data being cited only shows about 2% of votes coming form outside the UK, but in any case, remember that UK citizens can vote from outside the UK as they did in the referendum itself (by postal vote). Some people are being confused by the fact that the twitters say that 'only 350k votes are from UK' but this was when there was only about 350k votes on the petition lol.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 25, 2016, 03:56:53 pm
well its seems it lists your location as the uk if you don't input a postcode and it doesn't check your location or do any real checks like ask for an national insurance number.

afaik only 36% of young people eligible to vote did so, do you propose taking away the vote from older people?
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 04:42:19 pm
well its seems it lists your location as the uk if you don't input a postcode and it doesn't check your location or do any real checks like ask for an national insurance number.

afaik only 36% of young people eligible to vote did so, do you propose taking away the vote from older people?

Do you have a source for the 36%? I did not think those figures were currently available, and I would be very surprised if that is accurate. However, higher turnout does correlate with areas of higher average age in this vote - turnout is always lower with younger people, and always has been.

I don't propose that we take away the vote form older people, but the demographic divide in this vote, and the implications of it in terms of who will be most affected by brexit, is undeniably a factor in this whole affair which needs to be taken into consideration when trying to decide what to do next.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 25, 2016, 04:43:50 pm
^^^

Percentages of sore losers do not matter
... majority rules ... plenty of votes in US & UK govts
are razor thin (one vote) ... look at the 2000 election
here, the hanging chads and all the rest ... what would
the world look like now if GORE not BUSH had spent
eight years in the White House ... 2008 would probably
have gone to a Republican ~>NO OBAMA ... just think
of it!

I understand how the sore losers feel ... but history will
move on ... the time has come for the dissolution of the
EU and all other NWO / ONE WORLD GOVT hooey. It is
leading the Earth into chaos. National identities must be
preserved and re-constituted, and those who are trying
to erase them must be dealt with.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 04:49:20 pm
^^^

Percentages of sore losers do not matter
... majority rules ... plenty of votes in US & UK govts
are razor thin (one vote) ... look at the 2000 election
here, the hanging chads and all the rest ... what would
the world look like now if GORE not BUSH had spent
eight years in the White House ... 2008 would probably
have gone to a Republican ~>NO OBAMA ... just think
of it!

I understand how the sore losers feel ... but history will
move on ... the time has come for the dissolution of the
EU and all other NWO / ONE WORLD GOVT hooey. It is
leading the Earth into chaos. National identities must be
preserved and re-constituted, and those who are trying
to erase them must be dealt with.

The margin of victory in a Presidential or Parliamentary election is one thing - it's only for four or five years - but a significant constitutional change is quite another. Would you amend your US Constitution on a simple majority? I believe the figure is 2/3 of the House (correct me if I'm wrong), which is around where it should be for a very long term/permanent constitutional change, which a brexit would be.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 25, 2016, 04:54:40 pm
^^^

quote from Changeling's link:

"HUNDREDS of people have protested in the capital
as they demonstrated against Britain voting to Leave the EU."

~


The ⅔ vote of state legislatures is required to
amend the US Consitution ... but any vote or
referendum by the citizens is simple majority
rule, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 25, 2016, 05:07:19 pm
Do you have a source for the 36%? I did not think those figures were currently available, and I would be very surprised if that is accurate. However, higher turnout does correlate with areas of higher average age in this vote - turnout is always lower with younger people, and always has been.

I don't propose that we take away the vote form older people, but the demographic divide in this vote, and the implications of it in terms of who will be most affected by brexit, is undeniably a factor in this whole affair which needs to be taken into consideration when trying to decide what to do next.

 if I can find the info again I will post a link, it was an analysis of lord ashcrofts polling data afaik.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 25, 2016, 05:28:44 pm
I think everyone should admit that a 51.9% to 48.1% margin is not at all convincing for such an enormous constitutional change, particularly when two out of the four nations in the UK voted to Remain, .

I don't know what the answer is - but it will not work out well to attempt to go ahead as if the Brexit has a broad based mandate, because it does not have such a mandate.

The petition is interesting - if they manage to get more signatures than the number of people who voted for Brexit then the whole thing would be as good as sunk. Even where it stands now - at over 2 million - it needs to be considered, and in all fairness, this issue of the disenfranchisement of so many people, and two whole nations, does need to be looked at very seriously. To have such a massive constitutional change, with such a small margin of support, and with such high concentrations of opposition in certain areas, cannot be reasonably justified imo.

Well to counter that theory what if the vote had gone the other way it was always going to be close . Why would the vote leave have to put up with the UK being in the EU  when we all think its sucks  big time . More temper tantrums and throwing of toys out of the pram because it didnt go the remain campaign way .
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 25, 2016, 05:54:00 pm
^^^

... right you are ... we are just hearing 'empty death rattles'.  8)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 05:55:18 pm
^^^

quote from Changeling's link:

"HUNDREDS of people have protested in the capital
as they demonstrated against Britain voting to Leave the EU."

~


The ⅔ vote of state legislatures is required to
amend the US Consitution ... but any vote or
referendum by the citizens is simple majority
rule, as far as I know.

The point is that the decision to make permanent constitutional change requires a 2/3 majority, whichever form the vote takes, as it does in the US in the House and in other countries including Switzerland by referendum, and this is sensible and makes sense. In any case, the small margin in the brexit vote is just one of the problems which need to be worked out when deciding how to proceed, as pointed out above, otherwise a brexit might not be tenable.

Quote from article of Hundreds of protestors? That is their estimate - I don't know how many - but look at the vids and photos, it was a very large demonstration, and breitbart's claim that 'hardly anyone turned up', and the photos they used, is indeed rather disingenuous, which is the point I was making.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 25, 2016, 05:58:07 pm
Form across the sea.
What has global building done to other than war, backrumptsy, job loss, tit for tats Gov insiding, supercorp exapnsion,,,,etc....
I don't know and don't pretend to be wise to the game, the only things I can beleive is a nation must focus on it people. Not a  global perfull monoply of nations who we can be certain have not had the greatest effect on the people, citizens. I'm for the people and their nation.
 Sure this will be a bumpy road, but in the end compromise will will out.


Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 05:58:57 pm
Well to counter that theory what if the vote had gone the other way it was always going to be close . Why would the vote leave have to put up with the UK being in the EU  when we all think its sucks  big time . More temper tantrums and throwing of toys out of the pram because it didnt go the remain campaign way .

Not the same thing. It is the change to the current constitutional position which usually, and should imo, require a greater margin.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 06:04:53 pm
Scotland cabinet has approved legislative work to underpin new independence vote and seeks talks with EU institutions to protect their place in EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/sturgeon-seeks-urgent-brussels-talks-to-protect-scotlands-eu-membership
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on June 25, 2016, 06:11:04 pm
Anecdote at my work in Belgrade:

-I go into office ask the boss: "Excuse me, can I publish news that does not regard the business ?"
The boss replied: "Man, here , there can only be talk about the business!"

However, I said: 'G. Britain left the European Union. "

In the office, all workers all leaped for joy.  :)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 25, 2016, 06:13:05 pm
^^^^

.... Al Bundy ... good story!   :D

~~~~~

...about the ⅔ (or whatever) vote needed to pass. It
was my understanding this was ALWAYS a simple majority
vote ... YES or NO ... no run-offs, no redo ... right?

~~~~~

... good luck to SCOTLAND REMAIN ... I don't see how
it can be implemented ... you are UK.

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 06:16:45 pm
This is funny. The aforementioned petition to require a new referendum if the margin was below 60% of a 75% turnout..was actually submitted by a brexit supporter before the referendum..LOL

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683410/EXCLUSIVE-The-VOTE-LEAVE-backer-whose-petition-could-inadvertently-derail-the-Brexit
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 25, 2016, 06:21:40 pm
Please explain;
Explainer: Why must Britain pay £1.7bn to the European Union and ...
www.telegraph.co.uk › ... › Europe › EU

24 de out de 2014 - Britain is a victim of its own success, new European Union accounting ... Despite being ravaged by the eurozone debt crisis, with a thief of its ...
Britain is the eighth most indebted country in the EU and now owes ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Britain-eighth-indebted-cou...

22 de jul de 2015 - Britain's national debt is the eighth highest in the European Union and worth a staggering £64,000 per household, official figures showed today ...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on June 25, 2016, 06:23:54 pm
^^^

Percentages of sore losers do not matter
... majority rules ... plenty of votes in US & UK govts
are razor thin (one vote) ... look at the 2000 election
here, the hanging chads and all the rest ... what would
the world look like now if GORE not BUSH had spent
eight years in the White House ... 2008 would probably
have gone to a Republican ~>NO OBAMA ... just think
of it!

I understand how the sore losers feel ... but history will
move on ... the time has come for the dissolution of the
EU and all other NWO / ONE WORLD GOVT hooey. It is
leading the Earth into chaos. National identities must be
preserved and re-constituted, and those who are trying
to erase them must be dealt with.

Indeed. It was a simple two-question referendum and everyone knew what the result would mean. Majority wins. You can't go back and change the rules after the fact. Plus you couldn't really have some kind of two thirds majority rule anyway, since that would give Remain an advantage given that we're already in the EU (brought in on a lie, to be exact).

It was a little odd listening to Tarpley risking a heart attack and then seeing some of his arguments being pushed here by Changeling. Same guy? ;)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 25, 2016, 06:24:49 pm
Here is thing the thing ChangeLing. When Ted Heath signed the UK for Totalitarianism (Conservative Prime Minister ) I was not old enough to vote **** that . Blair ( Labour Prime Minister ) promised a vote on it then had to chicken out.  I will say one thing For David Cameron he gave everyone a chance to vote who could vote , and made it perfectly clear where he stood on the issue , and I realy respect him for that .
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 06:32:27 pm
Indeed. It was a simple two-question referendum and everyone knew what the result would mean. Majority wins. You can't go back and change the rules after the fact. Plus you couldn't really have some kind of two thirds majority rule anyway, since that would give Remain an advantage given that we're already in the EU (brought in on a lie, to be exact).

It was a little odd listening to Tarpley risking a heart attack and then seeing some of his arguments being pushed here by Changeling. Same guy? ;)

I'm very flattered to be conflated with Lord Tarpley, but no, we do not share our corporeal space. When is he on live anyway? I sometimes download the podcast on a Sunday but I've never listened live. You might find that I made these points before Tarpley went on the air, in which case maybe he reads the Prison Planet Forum forums ;)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on June 25, 2016, 06:34:15 pm
^^^^

.... Al Bundy ... good story!   :D

~~~~~

...about the ⅔ (or whatever) vote needed to pass. It
was my understanding this was ALWAYS a simple majority
vote ... YES or NO ... no run-offs, no redo ... right?

~~~~~

... good luck to SCOTLAND REMAIN ... I don't see how
it can be implemented ... you are UK.

Jackson, 25 years MSM and US backed NGO`s ( G. Soros, now ex-director of CIA Gen. Petraeus...) brainwashing Serbs that EU are "heaven of Earth and if we do not want to join EU they persuade my people are "not civilized". Now shock in media in Serbia.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 06:44:14 pm
^^^^

.... Al Bundy ... good story!   :D

~~~~~

...about the ⅔ (or whatever) vote needed to pass. It
was my understanding this was ALWAYS a simple majority
vote ... YES or NO ... no run-offs, no redo ... right?

~~~~~

... good luck to SCOTLAND REMAIN ... I don't see how
it can be implemented ... you are UK.

On the terms of the vote, that is correct, and I don't personally believe there will be a re-run - either it will go forward (probably without Scotland) or it will be killed off in Parliament or before. The significance of all the aforementioned petition and the margin of victory, and all the other points concerning demographics etc., is in the effect it has on public opinion and the perceived validity of the vote and the national decision it actually represents, and this will determine whether the thing is viable or not, and my belief is that it will not survive.

On Scotland, an independent Scotland can accede to the EU if they choose. However, if a brexit is negotiated, then that could be the time to negotiate separate terms for Scotland, which is why the Scots are asking for talks with EU institutions now.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 25, 2016, 06:49:56 pm
Stan I use to like to listen to the Tarpley podcast on a weekly basis . I dont bother anymore.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 25, 2016, 06:54:47 pm
@ ChangeLing , If  your also a big Hilary Clinton fan , you maybe on the wrong forum just giving you the heads up 
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on June 25, 2016, 06:59:44 pm
I'm very flattered to be conflated with Lord Tarpley, but no, we do not share our corporeal space. When is he on live anyway? I sometimes download the podcast on a Sunday but I've never listened live. You might find that I made these points before Tarpley went on the air, in which case maybe he reads the Prison Planet Forum forums ;)

Oh yeah, some of your posts were from a couple of days ago and they were only similar in that they were negative towards Brexit. I certainly didn't get the sense that you were about to have a stroke while typing. Usually though, I'd also listen on Sunday or Monday (never live) but I was running low on podcasts and was interested to see if he'd be freaking out.

One thing for anyone listening, he kinda pushes the Remain line claiming our workers' rights came from the EU. This is just false. He specifically made out that our decades-old minimum wage came from the EU even though some states don't even have one. In fact, Winston Churchill brought in a more primitive form of minimum wage over a century ago before WWI.

Other than that, I can see why people are suspect about all this. You never really know what scenarios the oligarch class are gaming behind closed doors, and you would probably go mad trying to figure them all out before taking action. Sometimes you just have to hit whatever enemy you can grab a hold of though. And the EU is certainly an enemy that needed to be hit.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on June 25, 2016, 07:02:27 pm
Stan I use to like to listen to the Tarpley podcast on a weekly basis . I dont bother anymore.

After nearly a decade of him slowly going off the rails, it is getting to the point where I wonder whether the increasingly less useful analysis is worth all the 'everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler' BS.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 25, 2016, 07:17:31 pm
Tarpley for me back in the day was a great historian and observer of politics . Now when I listen to his weekly podcast on a Sunday afternoon . its just negativity on a grand scale . apart from Tarpleys big plan to save the world .
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 25, 2016, 07:32:41 pm
Jackson, 25 years MSM and US backed NGO`s ( G. Soros, now ex-director of CIA Gen. Petraeus...) brainwashing Serbs that EU are "heaven of Earth and if we do not want to join EU they persuade my people are "not civilized". Now shock in media in Serbia.

... the Serbians are smart and strong ... especially those
like Al Bundy, who has represented his people extraordinarily
well, BTW, to the many visitors from around the world on this forum.
A country does not have to be BIG/Powerful to be successful ... you
just need to be YOU, and dedicated to the civilized norms
that are basic common sense ... work hard and be productive.
Becoming a vassal state to a world govt? ... NO THANKS!
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 25, 2016, 07:52:38 pm
Oh yeah, some of your posts were from a couple of days ago and they were only similar in that they were negative towards Brexit. I certainly didn't get the sense that you were about to have a stroke while typing. Usually though, I'd also listen on Sunday or Monday (never live) but I was running low on podcasts and was interested to see if he'd be freaking out.

One thing for anyone listening, he kinda pushes the Remain line claiming our workers' rights came from the EU. This is just false. He specifically made out that our decades-old minimum wage came from the EU even though some states don't even have one. In fact, Winston Churchill brought in a more primitive form of minimum wage over a century ago before WWI.

Other than that, I can see why people are suspect about all this. You never really know what scenarios the oligarch class are gaming behind closed doors, and you would probably go mad trying to figure them all out before taking action. Sometimes you just have to hit whatever enemy you can grab a hold of though. And the EU is certainly an enemy that needed to be hit.

I get the point about wanting to hit out at something, but as I've pointed out, leaving the EU means empowering a much worse entity. These are the philosophical descendants of the groups which decided that two world wars were a good idea, among other contributions. The point is that when you have a separation of powers, and those powers to an extent oppose eachother, they tend minimize the damage the other party can do. If the brexit goes ahead, then we have let loose a resurgent British Establishment, the danger of which most people seem to have forgotten, but will be reminded of soon afterward. The British Establishment was pro brexit because they want their country back - its not yours or any of the hapless voters' according to them - it's theirs. The Queen herself let it be known that she was pro Leave.

On EU labour laws, and other useful features, they have brought in many such as the working time directive, mandatory provision for parental leave, proper pensions etc. It's true that big business sees this as red tape, but it also prevents them from scalping and exploiting their employees. Freedom of movement to live and work where they want - all this will be denied to the British younger generation largely by the older generation who voted to Leave and who have had careers enjoying these provisions.  I also like the way that the EU has abolished roaming charges across Europe.

Stan, what specifically do you not like about the EU and how the UK fared within the EU?
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on June 25, 2016, 08:47:34 pm
Hey Change I cant speak for Stan . But when I  turn up to vote in a democracy like the UK  I have  A choice .Unlike the EU who have a commision who set the agenda who  we have no say over .
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 26, 2016, 09:03:40 am
... Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions
speaks out on the UK BREXIT vote:


Now it's our turn to Brexit
PAUL BEDARD  6/24/16

"
The British people, our special friends and allies, deserve our full support following their sovereign and considered decision to leave the European Union.

The people spoke from their hearts and with conviction. They considered deep and critical issues never discussed by the international elites. Their strong vote arose not out of fear and pique but out of love for country and pride of place. Their experience with a distant government in Brussels was given a long and fair chance to succeed. In the end, however, they concluded that the costs outweighed the benefits. Often, Britain makes changes that precede U. S. action. The Thatcher movement preceded the Reagan revolution. Both were victories for the people over outdated and corrupt forces. Both were achieved against powerful and determined establishment forces. Both resulted in historic and positive periods in their nation's history.

Now it's our time. The period of the nation state has not ended. No far off global government or union can command the loyalty of a people like their own country. Vague unions have no ability to call on the people to sacrifice for the common good. They seem incapable of making decisions and when they do, they have difficulty executing the decision.

Far better to celebrate the wonder and proven worth of good nation states and to work hard to use that foundation to build harmonious political and trading relations among the nations. This is the best basis for peace and prosperity.

In negotiations and relationships, national leaders should first ensure they have protected the safety and legitimate interests of their own people. This principle has been eroded and Brexit is a warning for America. Our British friends have sent the message loud and clear.

The interests of powerful international corporations, media, special interests, and leftist international forces are not coterminous with those of our people. This we must understand. The ultimate interest that our government is legally and morally bound to serve is that of our people.

Just as in the U.K., our November presidential election presents a stark contrast. The establishment forces, the global powers, are promoting their values and their interests. They want to erode borders, rapidly open America's markets to foreign produced goods, while having little interest in advancing America's ability to sell abroad. These forces have zero interest in better job opportunities and higher wages for our citizens.

It has been known for years that the European Union has often served as a barrier to its members taking action that would serve their own interests. Perhaps nothing proves this more definitively than the current migrant crisis, where the EU has clearly been part of the problem, not the solution.

And, consider the promotion of radical trade policies that erode the power of the people to control their lives. Millions upon millions of dollars from around the globe are being spent to get America to agree to the massive, twelve-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership. While sold as a trade deal, in reality, the TPP is a Trojan Horse for yet another sovereignty-eroding global pact. If implemented, it would create a new governing body that would exercise power and make decisions that the United States Congress would be effectively powerless to block. Like the EU, each nation gets one vote. Brunei and Vietnam get one vote as does the President of the United States.

We must remember that the European Union began as a seemingly benign economic agreement, and we must not forget, that as Secretary of State, with negotiating responsibility for the TPP, Hillary Clinton promoted it and called it the 'gold standard' for a trade deal. That should give us all pause. This sovereignty eroding trade deal is in perfect accord with her globalist agenda.
"
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sessions-now-its-our-turn-to-brexit/article/2594848
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 26, 2016, 09:40:49 am

" ... EU’s six founding states meeting in Berlin on
Saturday urged Britain to begin the exit
process 'as soon as possible'."


European Parliament urges
Britain to begin EU exit Tuesday

AFP   26 Jun 2016

Quote
Berlin (AFP) – The European Parliament’s chief called Sunday for British Prime Minister David Cameron to begin formal proceedings to leave the EU at a summit this week.

Martin Schulz told German newspaper Bild am Sonntag that a period of limbo over Brexit would “lead to even more insecurity and thus endanger jobs”.

“Hesitating simply to accommodate the party tactics of the British conservatives hurts everyone,” he said.

“That is why we expect the British government to now deliver. The summit on Tuesday is the right time.”

http://www.breitbart.com/news/european-parliament-urges-britain-to-begin-eu-exit-tuesday/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: eddy64 on June 26, 2016, 02:58:46 pm
couldn't find the info about only 36% of youngsters voting so it could have been wrong.

this sites saying 4chan added most of the fake votes to the pettion :-

http://heatst.com/politics/exclusive-brexit-2nd-referendum-petition-a-4-chan-prank-bbc-report-it-as-real/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jacob Law on June 26, 2016, 03:31:32 pm
Globalist Desperation Leads to Sabotage on the World Stage

(http://thewealthwatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Sabotage-1-1.jpg)

The globalists can try to delay elections, kill political leaders, or even paint nationalist patriots as evil pariahs, but it won’t stop what’s coming.  The tide is going out, and as it does, it will sweep them away for good.

The EU, and the banking system that owns it, are both dead men walking.  The EU doesn’t deserve to survive, and it won’t.  That doesn’t mean however, that this ugly beast won’t try to lash out, and take as many down with it, as it possibly can.

Game on.

Mentally prepare yourself for more dirty tricks, as we continue to “bring the fight to them”.


http://thewealthwatchman.com/globalist-desperation-leads-to-sabotage-on-the-world-stage/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Letsbereal on June 26, 2016, 03:37:38 pm
Mitch Feierstein is right, I had exactly the same thought.

Keiser Report: Your Special Brexit Coctail (E932) with Mitch Feierstein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSTEACxuEmM

The powers that be thought they already had done the job by manipulating the polls thinking the majority would follow ‘the winner’ and vote for ‘remain’.

Wrong! https://youtu.be/4TAixFYnDh4

Was it not me who spoke those prophetic words on 22 and 23 June:

- First you rig the polls so that later you can say, when you rig the votes, that the polls predicted that.

- It’s either voter fraud or a majority for ‘leave’ because people are not that stupid.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 26, 2016, 04:05:20 pm
couldn't find the info about only 36% of youngsters voting so it could have been wrong.

this sites saying 4chan added most of the fake votes to the pettion :-

http://heatst.com/politics/exclusive-brexit-2nd-referendum-petition-a-4-chan-prank-bbc-report-it-as-real/

Thanks for the link, but 4chan's braggadocio about 'most' of the votes being from them is the real prank here, for the following reasons:

First, their script seems to use the same postcode each time; second, there is a vast number of disaffected people so a very large number of votes is not unexpected; third, most of the votes come from the exact areas of the UK where one would expect them to.

So the genuine mass support is being deliberately undermined by claims of fraud, however there are traffic analysis algorithms which can detect this sort of kiddie-script bot behaviour and I'm sure a percentage of them are always discarded for this reason - it's the nature of the beast for online polling of this sort.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 26, 2016, 04:17:37 pm
 You guys are sincerely motivated in this britexit, i most certainly respect that.

  I'm looking at this from a perspective that goes back some years, continetal unification, globalization or whatever term fits the bill. I just never liked it and sincerely beleived it would never continue without serious fallout.
  Just my opinion, I'm glad the brits took back their nation and the people are aware of the globalist cabal.. 
  The initial outcome  may be made to appear (BBC) this is a financial, domestic, global,apocolypse
 I am convinced this was a brave move and was pleased to see the people rising up and being listened to, rather than given their marching orders.. I am with hope the brits keep it up , you folks are going to be fine.
  Obama is not pleased, nor is the cabal on high,.......BUT.........the people are.
 
 
   
 
   
   
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 26, 2016, 04:21:36 pm
Hey Change I cant speak for Stan . But when I  turn up to vote in a democracy like the UK  I have  A choice .Unlike the EU who have a commision who set the agenda who  we have no say over .

Very fair point, but remember that democratic choice in the UK is an illusion - we are offered a choice between essentially two establishment-approved parties. The leave campaign stated the old argument that we can throw out a parliament every 5 years, but that was deliberately dishonest since we are offered no real choice.

The counter-argument to that is that at least you get to vote on the body which makes all the laws in your jurisdiction, however illusory that is. However at least the EU provided a counter-balance to the British elites, who were behind the brexit campaign, and restricted the damage that they could do. Equally, the Establishment controlled government of the UK could oppose the EU (often for no reason, but still useful) because it was in their interest for them not to get too powerful, thereby a separation of powers existed. Now we have a very dangerous group, flushed with victory and off the leash; this is not a positive step by any measure at all.

By the time it is over this will be seen, by even the most enthusiastic brexiter, as a pyrrhic victory at best.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: John_Back_From_The_Club_O on June 26, 2016, 04:23:33 pm
Here is Donald Trump's (hopefully) 'Unedited' Press Conference At The Turnberry Country Club (Scotland) On BREXIT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/24/donald-trumps-brexit-press-conference-was-beyond-bizarre/

Just common sense stuff being put out by Trump

My observation is directed to the corporate media / Obama and the witch herself Hillary.   They all are going on like 'rabid dogs' concerning Trumps take on Brixit, which only makes Hillary ultimately look like the looser she is and nobody wants.  All by design. 
Title: U.K. Is doomed, entombed and marooned!
Post by: Letsbereal on June 26, 2016, 05:44:06 pm
U.K. Is doomed, entombed and marooned ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RIgs3eygo

A shut up BREXIT doom sayers!

Heard that the Pound is getting cheaper so maybe next year visit the U.K. :P

Just received my Lonely Planets:
– Great Britain
– England
– Wales
– Devon & Cornwall

On top of my list:

Agatha Christie’s house on the River Dart, Devon” http://www.englishriviera.co.uk/agathachristie/things-to-do/national-trust-greenway-p1205523

Calais-Dover
Hastings
Bexhill – The ABC Murders
Brighton
Torquay
Churston Ferrers – The ABC Murders
Greenway – Agatha Christie’s house on the River Dart, Greenway Halt – The ABC Murders
Dartmouth
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 26, 2016, 10:13:00 pm
Here is Donald Trump's (hopefully) 'Unedited' Press Conference At The Turnberry Country Club (Scotland) On BREXIT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/24/donald-trumps-brexit-press-conference-was-beyond-bizarre/

Just common sense stuff being put out by Trump

My observation is directed to the corporate media / Obama and the witch herself Hillary.   They all are going on like 'rabid dogs' concerning Trumps take on Brixit, which only makes Hillary ultimately look like the looser she is and nobody wants. All by design.



Like your new avatar.....  Bixit did make a difference concerning Trump, got it...but what isee is the people making the decision, I honestly doin't think this was predestined to give Trump a up the ladder.
  I like the design if thats the case, but I am convinced the BRITS made the decision for the first time in many a year. It will be OK.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 27, 2016, 09:57:42 am
Putin spokesman compares the EU to the USSR:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-27/kremlin-says-brexit-turmoil-reminiscent-of-soviet-union-collapse

The upheaval in the U.K. after its Brexit referendum in favor of leaving the European Union has similarities to the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union, according to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman.

While it’s “unreasonable to draw direct parallels,” it’s obvious that the U.K. is going through a “turbulent, confusing and unpredictable period,” Dmitry Peskov told reporters on a conference call Monday. Russia “has gone through the collapse of the Soviet Union and many generations clearly remember the period of the Soviet collapse, that period of uncertainty.”
...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 27, 2016, 10:25:52 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3662003/Brexit-spark-rush-Channel-tunnel-migrants-fear-Berlin-style-Wall.html
Brexit vote 'could generate additional migrant pressure', Eurotunnel boss warns
By Press Association
Published: 10:12 EST, 27 June 2016  | Updated: 10:13 EST, 27 June 2016

Britain's decision to quit the EU could lead to a summer surge in illegal migrants trying to enter the country from France, the head of Eurotunnel has warned.

Jacques Gounon, the firm's chief executive and chairman, said Brexit had given migrants a "clear signal" that
the Anglo-French border would become "a huge wall, similar to the Berlin Wall, almost impossible to overcome".

...

Mr Gounon told the Press Association: "I'm afraid that any Brexit consequences could give a threat to migrants that they could be prevented from going to the UK - definitively going to the UK - in the years to come.

"This could generate an additional new migrant pressure, in order for such people, desperately, to reach the UK before Brexit is enforced.

"So I do think and I'm afraid that we could have an increased migrant pressure during this summer, as a Brexit consequence."

Immigration was a key battleground in the EU referendum campaign, with Nigel Farage unveiling a Ukip poster showing a queue of hundreds of immigrants arriving in Europe with the slogan Breaking Point.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3662003/Brexit-spark-rush-Channel-tunnel-migrants-fear-Berlin-style-Wall.html#ixzz4CnH8Mky4
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Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 27, 2016, 10:39:24 am
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/470967/The-EU-was-HITLER-S-idea-and-it-proves-Germany-WON-the-Second-World-War-claims-new-book
The EU was HITLER'S idea and it proves Germany WON the Second World War, claims new book
THE 'fascist' EU was inspired and designed by the NAZIS and is proof Hitler won the Second World War, an outrageous new book is claiming.
By Owen Bennett - Political Reporter

 PUBLISHED:  13:57, Thu, Apr 17, 2014

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/adolfeu17apr14-470967.jpg)

Quote
The Nazis wanted to get rid of the clutter of small nations which made up Europe and their plan was quite simple. The EU was Hitler's dream.

'The EU: The Truth About The Fourth Reich - How Hitler Won The Second World War' argues the single currency, the free market and even the phrase "United States of Europe" were all dreamt up by high ranking Nazis, including the Fuhrer himself.

It also claims the only country which benefits from the EU is Germany - just as Hitler planned.

A spokesperson for the Liberal Democrats - which its leader Nick Clegg describes as the "party of in" when it comes to the EU - dismissed the authors of the book as "peddling outlandish myths".

The book, co-written by Daniel J Beddowes and Falvio Cipollini, says: "What is the EU for? Who really benefits? And the answer is of course Germany.

"It is no coincidence that just about every country in the European Union is getting poorer while Germany continues to get richer and richer.

"We may think we won the Second World War. But we lost. It is no surprise that we are all living in the Fourth Reich.

...

The book argues it is no coincidence that the EU is so close to Hitler's plan for post-war Europe.

According to the authors: "In 1945, Hitler's Masterplan was captured by the Allies. The Plan included details of his scheme to create an economic integration of Europe and to found a European Union on a federal basis.

"The Nazi plan for a federal Europe was based on
Lenin's belief that 'federation is a transitional form towards complete union of all nations'.


"It is impossible to find a difference between Hitler's plan for a new United States of Europe, dominated by Germany, and the European Union we have today."
...

https://www.amazon.com/EU-Truth-Fourth-Hitler-Second-ebook/dp/B00I22790W

The EU: The Truth About The Fourth Reich: How Adolf Hitler Won The Second World War  Kindle Edition


by Daniel J Beddowes (Author),    Flavio Cipollini (Author)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 27, 2016, 11:24:52 am
^^^


... powerful truth. Wow. Thanks Tahoeblue.   >:(
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 27, 2016, 11:34:19 am
^^^
... powerful truth. Wow. Thanks Tahoeblue.   >:(

and the rest of the story ...

Fascists + Communists = Synthesis

Hitler got the idea from HG Wells and the Rhodes Round table ...  (and Mussolini was Hitler's role model )

"unfit" (not genetic! - Politically unfit! ) = unfit for NWO ...  like the RED TERROR 


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1223
...
•H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”
...

http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=FinalWarning&C=5.1
...
H.G. Wells and the Open Conspiracy
Fabian leaders were drawn to Herbert George Wells (1866-1946), and his ideas of the 'New Republic' which he described as "a sort of outspoken Secret Society ... an informal and open freemasonry," made up of the educated class, whose common goals would lead to the creation of a new World State, thus saving the human race from disaster. Known as the 'Prophet of Our Time' because of writing about many things before they came to be, in books like The Time Machine and War of the Worlds, Wells would give the Fabians the notoriety they needed. Edward Pease, Secretary of the Fabians, wrote to H. G. Wells on January 10, 1902, to say that Webb and his wife Beatrice, were the "pioneers of your New Republic."

Sponsored by Wallas and Shaw, Wells joined them in February, 1903. In his first lecture after joining, he said that the World State was a necessity.
In his 1905 book, A Modern Utopia, he wrote of the World State taking control and creating a "sane order," and how they maintained a central records system in Paris which they used to keep track of every person on Earth and aided the state to eliminate the unfit  [ for the NEW ORDER ] .
...
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks04/0400671h.html
(http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks04/0400671h-images/TheNewWorldOrder-00.jpg)


| - - - -

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/photos-un-tactical-vehicles-seen-rolling-virginia-interstate/

What were United Nations vehicles doing in Virginia on Friday?
(http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/UN-vehicle-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Geolibertarian on June 27, 2016, 11:51:39 am
The American Sovereignty Restoration Act has been collecting dust in Congress for nearly two decades:

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr1146/text (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr1146/text)

Why do I continue to be the only one on planet Earth who promotes that bill?

Why am I the only one who ever even mentions it?

I'm a rational human being. Please explain it to me.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 27, 2016, 12:02:40 pm
The American Sovereignty Restoration Act has been collecting dust in Congress for nearly two decades:

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr1146/text (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr1146/text)

Why do I continue to be the only one on planet Earth who promotes that bill?

Right ,... It all has to be rolled back .,.  major fraud and mKultra....

SEC. 2. REPEAL OF UNITED NATIONS PARTICIPATION ACT.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: One Revelator on June 27, 2016, 02:44:15 pm
The American Sovereignty Restoration Act has been collecting dust in Congress for nearly two decades:

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr1146/text (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/105/hr1146/text)

Why do I continue to be the only one on planet Earth who promotes that bill?

Why am I the only one who ever even mentions it?

I'm a rational human being. Please explain it to me.

As long as people believe this.....

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9d/19/c2/9d19c2e8be69da17350c4a2a19e3b36e.jpg)

….sovereignty is irrelevant. This applies to ALL classes of society.

Of course that belief is constantly reinforced through media. Just in case we might start thinking otherwise.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7KnGWkD0eB8/Tx8so7LWlSI/AAAAAAAAAHM/vf-eG4klcp0/s1600/greed.png)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 27, 2016, 04:47:55 pm

 Geo, I can't explain it, just give an opinion.
 How many people do you know who are truly informed as to the game..Long ago the nam war was raging, the 3 ks were slaughtered and LBJ imploded the war, during that time any individual who defied the gov was consisidered a traitor,a tin hatted anarchist.
 I don't want to rant though i could all night long. Most people have taken for granted the Govs authority, submitted to the ole adage all is well in La la land..
.Mindset-Why bother questioning, why spend time searching for the truth when its on the news..
I was bred and raised in a super right wing military household, go figure, anything the ole Gov said was off the mountian, questioning was OFF LIMITS.
  For muck sake we destroyed Iraq  slaughtered innocents soley because the people went along with the cabal-Gov's WMD's lies &deception...Then on to Lybia, OK no one was in the west was fond of Quadifi but this guy built a water project called the 8th wonder of the world for his people, the Christians called his reign the Golden age of Christianity in Lybia,, Go figure again.
  Old hat, not realy, if the people don't give a twit about the truth, if it offends them, or then simply don't give a sh**t as long as their lifestyle is in order and unafected.
   Geo, i have been at this for about 4 decades, yuh, I woke up, i hope citizens find it in their hearts and minds to open their eyes to the abomination taking place run by the minority on high.
  The cabal wants it all, the USA is the bullseye and brother they have hard at work 24-7-365 X decades to get to this point.
 
 
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 27, 2016, 04:59:21 pm
Right ,... It all has to be rolled back .,.  major fraud and mKultra....

SEC. 2. REPEAL OF UNITED NATIONS PARTICIPATION ACT.

Hi tahoe, you hit on it, the posts, hammer hits the nail on the head.
That you brought up hG Wells was a true grabber, this man had a handle on the game.
PS; Mkultra on a global scale equal ...Most folks refer to it in 3rd world nations as brainwashing.
PSS;
 
You mentioned the UN. This is the latest.

PHOTOS: UN military vehicles seen rolling down Virginia interstate ...
www.theamericanmirror.com/photos-un-tactical-veh...

1 day - What were United Nations vehicles doing in Virginia on Friday? That's what motorists were left to wonder when they saw UN tactical vehicles ...
U.N. Vehicles, Mysterious Troop Movement Spotted In VA, NC, W.VA ...
www.activistpost.com › Liberty

2 days - Are these recent sightings just standard U.N. troop movement ... The U.N. vehicles were spotted near I-81 near Lexington, VA and were being ...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on June 27, 2016, 07:23:02 pm

You mentioned the UN. This is the latest.

PHOTOS: UN military vehicles seen rolling down Virginia interstate ...
www.theamericanmirror.com/photos-un-tactical-veh...

1 day - What were United Nations vehicles doing in Virginia on Friday? That's what motorists were left to wonder when they saw UN tactical vehicles ...
U.N. Vehicles, Mysterious Troop Movement Spotted In VA, NC, W.VA ...
www.activistpost.com › Liberty

2 days - Are these recent sightings just standard U.N. troop movement ... The U.N. vehicles were spotted near I-81 near Lexington, VA and were being ...

Maybe the vehicles were built and fitted out/painted for the UN by a US manufacturer, and are being transported to a port for export to wherever?
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 27, 2016, 08:38:40 pm

... I guess the EU ELITE think it's, 'now or never'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0-FBlfvgxo

Has Britain avoided a ‘European superstate’? France and
Germany ‘draw up plans to morph EU countries into one with
control over members’ armies and economies’

   * France and Germany reported to have drawn up 'superstate plan'
   * It would mean members give up armies and economic power to the EU
   * Report 'leaked' in Poland where it has been branded 'not the solution'
   * Leaders of Germany, France and Italy said EU was 'indispensable' tonight
      By JOSEPH CURTIS FOR MAILONLINE
      PUBLISHED: 15:22 EST, 27 June 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662827/Has-Britain-avoided-European-superstate-France-Germany-draw-plans-morph-EU-countries-one-control-members-armies-economies.html
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jacob Law on June 27, 2016, 09:28:28 pm
Brexit Victory: Here’s why the Battle for Britain is Just Beginning

(http://thewealthwatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Brexit-broadside-1024x674.jpg)

The Brexit vote was an inspiring, historic victory of nationalism over globalism!  The EU’s days are numbered, as the peoples of Europe are rising up to reclaim their freedom and birthright. Today we discuss:

The true significance of this victory, and what it means for the EU project…

Who in the City of London was likely caught off guard by the the vote, and what that means…

http://thewealthwatchman.com/brexit-victory-heres-why-the-battle-for-britain-is-just-beginning/

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 27, 2016, 10:01:43 pm
Maybe the vehicles were built and fitted out/painted for the UN by a US manufacturer, and are being transported to a port for export to wherever?
           That is the question. I cant dig up any significent evidence other than the USA does fabricate armored vehicles.
          The Armored Group: Armored Vehicles, Bulletproof Cars & Trucks
www.armoredcars.com/
We manufacture high quality armored cars, trucks & SWAT vehicles. The Armored ... We have armored vehicles in stock and ready to ship, give us a call today!
         It just deserves a tad more info.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: chris jones on June 27, 2016, 10:07:07 pm
  The people spoke.....
  I was on crews with a flock of Brits, , these guys were top notch &were all for Britain not the EU.
  I have to say there a was a pride and a united feeling I won't forget, and yes I was accepted.
  Just saying!
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Letsbereal on June 27, 2016, 10:30:57 pm
I Rèbél! https://youtu.be/bmVtF6DWfR0?t=28s

The Rebellion Is Real! http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-26/rebellion-real-brexit-was-merely-warning

Civil Uprising Escalates As 8th EU Nation Threatens Referendum http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-26/civil-uprising-escalates-8th-eu-nation-threatens-referendum

Yes Minister — Why Britain Joined the European Union https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE

What a great comedy series 'Yes Minister' was and amazing how much truth you can say when you package it as comedy also thinking about Stanley Kubrick’s ‘Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb’.

Interesting read:
Why The Vast Majority Of Analysts Were Caught With Their Pants Down On Brexit http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-27/why-vast-majority-analysts-were-caught-their-pants-down-brexit
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 28, 2016, 09:52:44 am
EU Army? hmmm...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/666516/Anti-Brussels-fury-Germany-secretly-plans-for-EU-army-Brexit
German plot to keep EU army a SECRET till June 23 EXPOSED: EU plan to control OUR forces

BRITISH Brexit campaigners have been boosted with news from Berlin that Germany is once more pushing for an EU army encompassing all 28 member states with a joint HQ and shared military planning.
By Allan Hall
03:46, Wed, May 4, 2016    | UPDATED: 07:57, Wed, May 4, 2016
...
Now a white paper has been drawn up by Berlin.

Media reports suggest that the Germans wanted to keep its proposals secret until after the June 23 plebiscite but it has now been leaked
...

The paper outlines steps to "gradually co-ordinate Europe's patchwork of national militaries and launch permanent cooperation under common structures among the member states."

The initiatives proposed includes strengthening cyberwarfare abilities and relaxing Germany's self-imposed restrictions about deploying troops in peacetime within the country.  This was brought in after 1945 when Nazism was crushed and Germans turned away from militarism.

...

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Now after the vote:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/27/foreign-chief-europe-needs-eu-army/

EU Foreign Affairs Chief: Europe Needs an EU Army
by Virginia Hale 27 Jun 2016

Soon after Britain voted to leave the European Union (EU), its foreign affairs chief, Elmar Brok, urged the economic and political bloc to go ahead with plans to create an army.
The German politician told Die Welt that EU countries need to cooperate more closely on issues of defence, and suggested the EU needs a military headquarters. He said:

“We need a common (military) headquarters and a coalition (of EU countries) acting in accordance with the permanent structural cooperation of the EU Treaty. From such a group an EU army could eventually arise.”

Mr Brok suggested the forces be modeled on the Franco-German Brigade, a special military brigade of the Eurocorps of the European Union.
...

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http://www.trunews.com/7-signs-eu-army-and-united-states-of-europe-are-imminent/
7 signs EU army and United States of Europe are imminent

(TRUNEWS) The Former head of British troops in Afghanistan says the eurozone’s elites “ultimate plan” is to form an EU army out of the bloc’s 28 member states.

Retired British Army Colonel Richard Kemp — who formerly worked for the UK Joint Intelligence Committee — said this move would greatly undermine the supremacy of NATO and significantly weaken UK defenses.

If we left the EU, we would undermine the EU’s ultimate plan of forming an EU army, and that is exactly what they are going to be doing,” Kemp told the Daily Express.

“Too many of these generals, too many of the people like Jens Stoltenberg [NATO Secretary General] are looking at fighting of the last war, which is what generals very often do. We need to look ahead, we need to look forward to what the plans are. What the EU army does is to undermine NATO because it takes resources away from NATO,” Kemp said.

Read more at http://www.trunews.com/7-signs-eu-army-and-united-states-of-europe-are-imminent/#6qLKGmG0yrYvRLBT.99
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on June 28, 2016, 08:38:49 pm
“We can’t dismiss them as fringe parties – they
represent a revolution in European foreign policy."


EU BACKLASH: Brexit ‘TSUNAMI’ expected as
34 referendums set to rock union

THE EUROPEAN Union (EU) is about to be rocked by a “political tsunami”
with right-wing parties across the continent calling for dozens of in-out referendums.

JOEY MILLAR   Wed, Jun 29, 2016

A study by the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) revealed so-called extreme “insurgent parties” are calling for a total of 34 public votes - with matters ranging from their countries’ membership of the EU to refugee policy.

The ECFR report blamed Europe’s fear of Turkey joining the EU and the German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s “refugees welcome” policy as major reasons behind a rapid rise in support for both right-wing and far-left, anti-EU parties and their attempts to take back control of their countries.

Mark Leonard of ECFR said:
“Many of these insurgent parties have views on
foreign policy that are closer to President Putin
than President Obama."


"They are overturning an elite foreign policy consensus based on Atlanticism and liberal democracy that has dominated for the last fifty years.”

The report predicted political turmoil and calls for in-out EU votes in a number of countries, in what it said would be a “political earthquake”.

Quote
Growing anti-EU campaigns in other states are also highlighted,
including Austria, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Poland and Sweden.

√ CONTINUE: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/684131/brexit-eu-referendum-tsunami-france-italy-netherlands
Title: Scandal Erupts At Euro Summit Over Scotland
Post by: Letsbereal on June 29, 2016, 07:28:47 pm
Scandal Erupts At Euro Summit Over Scotland, While Draghi Says In "No Rush" To Ease Policy
29 June 2016
, by Tyler Durden (Zero Hedge)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/scandal-erupts-euro-summit-over-scotland-while-draghi-says-no-rush-ease-policy

Excerpt:

In an attempt to anger the UK some more, EU commission president Jean-Claude Juncker, in comments to reporters, said that “Scotland won the right to be heard in Brussels." This takes place just hours before Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is due to meet with Juncker later Wednesday

But while Juncker's statement was meant to merely infuriate the UK even more, what he did instead is open a new Pandora's box, one which invites all secessionist movements in Europe to demand a comparable treatment.

And, sure enough, just moments later, Spain's PM Rajoy immediately said that he opposes any negotiation by Scotland with the EU adding that "If the UK leaves, Scotland leaves."

Why the abrupt response? Because Rajoy knows that is Scotland will be heard - and allowed to become independent - then Catalonia and the Basque Country are next.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 30, 2016, 09:33:25 am
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/23529-at-today-s-three-amigos-summit-nafta-leaders-are-worried-about-brexit
Wednesday, 29 June 2016   
At Today's "Three Amigos" Summit, NAFTA Leaders Are Worried About Brexit
 Written by  Charles Scaliger 

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/29/23/35CCF6AE00000578-0-image-a-22_1467239782248.jpg)

Today’s U.S.-Canada-Mexico summit in Ottawa will see a shift in focus in the wake of the Brexit vote across the pond. The so-called “Three Amigos” summit among the three NAFTA members was supposed to focus on the usual globalist laundry list of agenda items, such as reducing carbon emissions and ensuring the passage of the contentious TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership), which has so far been ratified by none of the three governments. In a word, business as usual for NAFTA, which, after successfully selling itself as a free trade agreement to secure ratification in the United States two decades ago, has spent most of its time enacting new transnational regulations, whittling away at sovereign border controls, and, in general, setting the stage for an international political bloc such as the EU — just as its founders intended it to. But now, with the crippling blow dealt to the EU by the Brexit vote, NAFTA leaders are scrambling to reorder their priorities.

Particularly concerned with the turn of events across the Atlantic is Mexico’s President Enrique Peña Nieto, whose impoverished, crime-ridden, terminally socialist country has long benefitted economically from membership in NAFTA — at the expense of its two northern partners. For 20 years, American and Canadian corporations have been moving manufacturing south of the Rio Grande to take advantage of Mexico’s much lower wages and labor standards. Laxer border standards, meanwhile, have been an unalloyed boon to millions of Mexicans willing to enter the United States (and, increasingly, Canada) illegally to work and send the proceeds back to the cash-strapped motherland.
...

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http://time.com/4388488/three-amigos-barack-obama-justin-trudeau-donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto/
...
Likely Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s proposed policies weren’t on the official agenda at the North American Leaders’ Summit, but his comments on trade and immigration dominated a press conference between the leaders of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico on Wednesday.

In the wake of a speech on the economy and trade Trump delivered on Tuesday, reporters from all three countries questioned the future of global trade. Protectionism was at the core of the business mogul’s argument, with calls to renegotiate or rip up global trade deals, including the North American Free Trade Agreement, scattered throughout his speech. At Wednesday’s press conference, President Obama argued against those policies, saying that though the “politics of trade are always difficult,” isolating ourselves should not be the solution.

Ordinary people who are concerned about trade have a legitimate gripe about globalization,” Obama said, naming inequality and stagnant wages among the issues facing the middle class. But he said blaming globalization alone would be un fair, arguing that automation has “undermined” American workers more than outsourcing.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 30, 2016, 10:16:58 am
http://news.sky.com/story/1719737/boris-johnson-im-not-running-for-leadership
Boris Johnson: I'm Not Running For Leadership

There are gasps as Tory MPs and journalists are left stunned by the former London mayor's revelation that he will not be standing.

In a news conference just moments before the midday deadline for nominations, Mr Johnson said the next Tory leader would have to unite the party and country.

Citing his own credentials, Mr Johnson said he was immensely proud of what his team had achieved in the capital at City Hall.

He said the UK's Brexit vote was a chance for the country's next leader to "restore Britain's standing as an independent sovereign" and "our moment to stand tall in the world".

But then he added: "My friends, you have waited for the punchline of this speech.

"Having consulted colleagues and in view of the circumstances in Parliament, I have concluded that person cannot be me."


There were audible gasps from Tory MPs and journalists in the room as he made the revelation.
...
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 30, 2016, 11:05:40 am
reference: Trump Economic Speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3Cpf_Wkco
Full Speech: Donald Trump Delivers Economic Policy Speech in Monessen, PA (6-28-16)
Tuesday, June 28, 2016: Full replay of Donald J. Trump's economic policy speech in Monessen, PA at Alumisource
Full Speech: Donald Trump Delivers Economic Policy Speech in Monessen, PA (6-28-16)

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/politics/donald-trump-speech-pennsylvania-economy/
Trump slams globalization, promises to upend economic status quo

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Obama responds on the late show:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziwYbVx_-qg
"Slow Jam the News" with President Obama
Published on Jun 9, 2016
Jimmy Fallon and President Obama slow jam the news, discussing Obama's legacy, accomplishments and thoughts on the 2016 election.
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 30, 2016, 02:12:20 pm
Rob Kirby: Brexit is a Signal: Humanity Defying the Elite for Freedom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KefqIY7u2o

Jun 29, 2016 Reluctant Preppers
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Letsbereal on June 30, 2016, 05:33:14 pm
BREXIT: NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM JUNE 30 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul7R8tE4QZY

Jun 30, 2016 Giza Death Star Community



The Dutch have however already twice voted convincingly against the European project. More than 61% of the Dutch rejected the draft European constitution in 2005.

And in April this year, they dealt the EU a further blow by rejecting its cooperation treaty with Ukraine in a non-binding ballot pushed by grassroots eurosceptics.


http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/will-the-dutch-follow-britain-out-the-door/article/468591

Victory for Eurosceptics as Dutch reject EU-Ukraine deal in referendum http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/06/dutch-slow-to-polls-in-eu-ukraine-pact-vote/

Dutch European Constitution referendum, 2005 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005

 
"The British Woke Up!" Paul Craig Roberts Asks "Can The Americans?" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/british-woke-paul-craig-roberts-asks-can-americans
 
The Prison Of Peoples - France's Le Pen Calls For European 'Spring' http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/prison-peoples-frances-le-pen-calls-european-spring
 
Brexit Aftermath - Here's What Will Happen Next http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/brexit-aftermath-heres-what-will-happen-next
 
Is This Where All Those Companies "Leaving England" Will Go http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/where-all-those-companies-leaving-england-will-go

Don't Worry, You Are Not Alone: "No One Knows How To Price Brexit" Citi Admits http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/dont-worry-you-are-not-alone-no-one-knows-how-price-brexit-citi-admits
 
Brexit, A Step In The Right Direction: The Optimistic View http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/brexit-step-right-direction-optimistic-view
 
Brexit: Here Are The Latest Known Unknowns http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/brexit-here-are-latest-known-unknowns
 
Brexiteers 1 : 0 Scaremongers - UK Stocks Erase All Brexit Losses http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/brexiteers-1-0-scaremongers-uk-stocks-erase-all-brexit-losses
 
UK Police Call Emergency Meetings After Explosion In Hate Crimes After Brexit http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/uk-police-call-emergency-meetings-after-explosion-hate-crimes-after-brexit
 
From Brexit Wounds To Buying Panic (In Bonds & Stocks) http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/brexit-wounds-buying-panic-bonds-stocks
 
"Panic May Have Passed... But This Is Far From Over" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-29/panic-may-have-passed-far-over

Nigel The Brexitbot 3000 Has All The Brexit Jokes You Need - CONAN on TBS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_JsgUB6nYw
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on July 01, 2016, 03:06:19 am
http://news.sky.com/story/1719737/boris-johnson-im-not-running-for-leadership
Boris Johnson: I'm Not Running For Leadership

There are gasps as Tory MPs and journalists are left stunned by the former London mayor's revelation that he will not be standing.

In a news conference just moments before the midday deadline for nominations, Mr Johnson said the next Tory leader would have to unite the party and country.

Citing his own credentials, Mr Johnson said he was immensely proud of what his team had achieved in the capital at City Hall.

He said the UK's Brexit vote was a chance for the country's next leader to "restore Britain's standing as an independent sovereign" and "our moment to stand tall in the world".

But then he added: "My friends, you have waited for the punchline of this speech.

"Having consulted colleagues and in view of the circumstances in Parliament, I have concluded that person cannot be me."


There were audible gasps from Tory MPs and journalists in the room as he made the revelation.
...

Ok here is my take on this (the very short version ). While Boris was very high profile for the leave campaign , his ability to reunite the Conservative party would have been near impossible for all sorts of reasons .  I Think Teresa May will probably be the new party leader ,with Michael Gove in the party with a negotiating role with the EU .

As for the Labour party I think they are in danger of tearing themselves a part .Jeremy Corbyn maybe be popular with the left wing of the party , but if he does stay as leader I would think it highly unlikely the Labour party would get elected to govern the country .

And then there are the Liberal Democrats the party of no pricipals desperate to be in government , prepared to sell out there supporters and virtually any price .

Interesting times freedoon fighters , Interesting times .
Title: FARAGE QUITS as UKIP LEADER
Post by: Jackson Holly on July 04, 2016, 09:04:19 am
... still trying to make sense of this ...


Nigel Farage QUITS as Ukip leader and declares:
'I've done my bit... now I want my life back'

   * Nigel Farage bows as Ukip leader by saying Brexit would never have won without him and Ukip
   * Stages press conference today to say: 'I couldn't possibly achieve more than I managed to get in that referendum'
   * Farage insists'Ukip's best days are yet to come' and says the its 'greatest potential' lay in attracting Labour voters
   * New leader will be appointed by Ukip's conference in September, with deputy leader Paul Nuttall early favourite
   * Ukip MP Douglas Carswell, at loggerheads with Farage for months, reacts to news by tweeting a sunglasses emoji
   * Carswell pays tribute but says his resignation is a 'huge opportunity' for the party. He rules out standing as leader 
     By MATT DATHAN, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR MAILONLINE
     PUBLISHED: 04:15 EST, 4 July 2016

√ w/VIDEO ANNOUNCEMENT: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673363/Nigel-Farage-QUITS-Ukip-leader-declaring-ve-bit.html
Title: Nigel Farage just RESIGNED!!!
Post by: lee51 on July 04, 2016, 10:15:36 am
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/04/nigel-farage-steps-ukip-leader/

UKIP Leader Nigel Farage has today announced he will resign from the leadership of his party.
Mr. Farage has explained to Breitbart London that he has achieved all he set out to in politics.

He remarked today, while speaking at the Emmanuel Centre in Westminster, that he doesn’t believe he can achieve anything more than he already has, having delivered a UK referendum on European Union membership, and indeed having won the vote.

Mr. Farage said that he fought a referendum campaign with the slogan “I want my country back”, now, he says, “I want my life back”.

Read rest at link above. Can't get my computer to copy and paste it for some reason. 





Title: Re: Nigel Farage just RESIGNED!!!
Post by: jofortruth on July 04, 2016, 10:51:50 am
Nigel Farage resigns as Ukip leader after 'achieving political ambition' of Brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader


Thank you, Mr. Farage, for your work and for being a real man, real leader in Europe!
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on July 04, 2016, 05:57:27 pm
Six More Countries Want Referendums to Exit EU
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/five-more-countries-want-referendums-to-exit-eu/

France
Netherlands
Italy
Austria
Finland
Hungary

Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on July 04, 2016, 06:36:30 pm
Six More Countries Want Referendums to Exit EU
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/five-more-countries-want-referendums-to-exit-eu/

France
Netherlands Italy Austria Finland Hungary

no the French will never want to be free from tyranny ...

http://blog.oup.com/2015/07/ten-myths-french-revolution/
Ten myths about the French Revolution

(http://worldhistoryatyhs.wikispaces.com/file/view/french-revolution-2.jpg/50833637/french-revolution-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on July 04, 2016, 08:34:34 pm
... I guess the EU ELITE think it's, 'now or never'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0-FBlfvgxo

Has Britain avoided a ‘European superstate’? France and
Germany ‘draw up plans to morph EU countries into one with
control over members’ armies and economies’

   * France and Germany reported to have drawn up 'superstate plan'
   * It would mean members give up armies and economic power to the EU
   * Report 'leaked' in Poland where it has been branded 'not the solution'
   * Leaders of Germany, France and Italy said EU was 'indispensable' tonight
      By JOSEPH CURTIS FOR MAILONLINE
      PUBLISHED: 15:22 EST, 27 June 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662827/Has-Britain-avoided-European-superstate-France-Germany-draw-plans-morph-EU-countries-one-control-members-armies-economies.html

... the EU WORLD GOVT-mongers definitely think
it is NOW OR NEVER for them ... they seem to be
pulling out the plugs, damn the torpedoes, full speed
ahead ... "Charge for the guns!"


Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
 Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
 Rode the six hundred.

~~~~~~~~~~

“It is in the interests of our citizens to invest
in the resilience of states and societies to the east
stretching into Central Asia, and to the south
down to Central Africa."


... they gotta INCREASE that flow of wealth
to the THIRD WORLD ... 'tout suite!'


REJECTED BY U.K., EUROPEANS TO SEEK 'EMPIRE'?
'We will promote reformed global governance'
GARTH KANT

WASHINGTON – Now that the European Union will be losing the United Kingdom as a result of the Brexit vote, concerns are growing that the E.U. is seeking to expand intercontinentally with the aim of establishing an “empire.”

A week after the British vote on June 23, E.U. Vice President Federica Mogherini released a document outlining the union’s plan for expansion, “A Global Strategy for the European Union’s Foreign And Security Policy,” raising some eyebrows in foreign policy circles.
( http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/2016/160628_02_en.htm )

Not only does the document suggest the possible
formation of an E.U. army, it explores expanding
the multi-state entity into Asia and Africa.
It even envisions a global government.


“We will invest in regional orders, and in cooperation among and within regions,” Mogherini wrote in the foreword. “And we will promote reformed global governance, one that can meet the challenges of this 21st century.”

√ @WMD: http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/rejected-by-u-k-europeans-to-seek-empire/
Title: Re: Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on July 24, 2016, 10:54:37 am
wow ... After BrExit ... they install a Remainer  MAY ...

On Drudge:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3704890/Are-Theresa-Angela-Merkel-ILLUMINATI-Conspiracy-theorists-convinced-leaders-secretive-sect-similar-hand-gestures.html
Are Theresa May and Angela Merkel in the ILLUMINATI?
Conspiracy theorists are convinced the leaders are in secretive sect because of similar hand gestures
Theresa May dragged into conspiracy theory about a 'secret EU society'
The 'secret sign' is a hand signal used by German leader Angela Merkel
Jean-Claude Juncker also used the sign meeting Belgian royalty this week


By Patrick Lion For Mailonline

Published: 12:12 EST, 23 July 2016  | Updated: 16:37 EST, 23 July 2016

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/23/17/36898DDC00000578-3704890-Prime_Minister_Theresa_May_used_the_hang_signal_after_Andrea_Lea-m-10_1469292964763.jpg)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3704890/Are-Theresa-Angela-Merkel-ILLUMINATI-Conspiracy-theorists-convinced-leaders-secretive-sect-similar-hand-gestures.html#ixzz4FLG8HEKy
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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guardian a globalist- pro remain paper:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/24/brexit-whitehall-farce-glimmer-hope-remains
...
Well, now Davis and his fellow Brexiteers are in the hot seats. But it is already perfectly obvious that they had no plan and they are still struggling to dream one up. They are hopelessly confused about trade and the real meaning of trade negotiations. It is pointless criticising Cameron and his chancellor for not having prepared for Brexit. They quite rightly did not want Brexit. But it is truly amazing that the Brexit camp were happy to mislead sufficient members of an embarrassingly ill-informed British public into voting for something they had no idea how to handle. We seem to be in the absurd position where those of our leaders such as Theresa May, who were in the Remain camp, are saying “Brexit means Brexit” while the Brexit lot are trying to say, “Well, Brexit does not really mean Brexit. After all, we still want all the advantages of the club we have rejected.” And, of course, the shamelessly meretricious Nigel Farage continues to go to the European parliament to collect his dirty EU money.

...
Despite the way in which so many people have meekly caved in to the supposed “will of the people”, I have not given up hope that something could emerge from the wreckage. Delaying the triggering of Article 50 until next year at the earliest may yet offer time for sense to prevail. We live in a parliamentary democracy, and it is estimated by those in a position to know that some three-quarters of the members of the House of Commons and Lords oppose this Brexit farce.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on August 02, 2016, 12:05:47 pm
hMMM....


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-conservative-leadership-contest-brexit-next-prime-minister-leave-eu-arron-banks-a7129436.html

Ukip donor has said Theresa May will be 'the death of Brexit by a thousand cuts'

Elsa Vulliamy |
Sunday 10 July 2016

The Ukip donor and millionaire businessman Arron Banks says he does not believe Theresa May would push through Brexit if she were to become Prime Minister.

Mr Banks, a key financial backer of the Leave.EU campaign, has said he will back Andrea Leadsom in the Tory leadership race, primarily due to a fear the Home Secretary would ‘betray’ Brexit if elected leader.

Speaking on the BBC’s The Andrew Marr Show, Mr Banks said he believed Mrs May would be “the death of Brexit, by a thousand cuts”, and would “absolutely” betray the referendum result.


He claimed she may delay triggering Article 50 until it is too late, and circumstances have changed, or echo the Norwegian “political elite” – allowing free movement in exchange for access to the single market.

The Tory leadership frontrunner has stated she fully intends to trigger Article 50 if she becomes Primer Minister – probably by the end of the year.

Her campaign chief, Chris Grayling,  also insisted there was "no question" of a second referendum on the EU if the Home Secretary wins, with the UK severing ties with Brussels before the 2020 general election.

He added that he was expecting EU citizens to be able to remain in the UK after Brexit, something Mrs May has refused to guarantee unless she receives a similar commitment from the other 27 member states about the future rights of Britons overseas.


...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: freedom_commonsense on August 09, 2016, 06:36:54 pm
As Geolibertarian said, as long as we're economically in thrall to the globalists, being out of the EU is a minor difference at best (also, most immigration to the United Kingdom is not from European countries).

Title: Re: BrExit - FrExit - EU Exit
Post by: TahoeBlue on September 14, 2016, 11:53:39 am
Now FrExit

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710517/Marine-Le-Pen-frexit-brexit-european-union
'This is a funeral' Le Pen predicts the end of the EU as she promises FREXIT referendum

MARINE LE PEN has dealt a crippling blow to the European Union by promising she will hold a referendum to decide whether France remains in the Union if she becomes president.
By Joe Barnes
PUBLISHED:  11:31, Wed, Sep 14, 2016    | UPDATED: 14:46, Wed, Sep 14, 2016

The president of the National Front, a right-wing Eurosceptic party, issued the warning to Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission after branding his state of the Union speech to MEPs at the European Parliament in Strasbourg, France, “insipid”.

Expressing his “regret” at the historical Brexit vote, Mr Juncker insisted the EU is “not at risk”.

But he warned the next 12 months were a “crucial time to deliver a better Europe”.
...

“This is basically almost like a funeral for the European Union, but perhaps we should admit there was a very good point on humour where you said you were the hero of combatting fiscal optimisation for multinationals.

“But really, you haven’t been paying attention to the ambition of people in the European Union to reestablish and retake their sovereignty and their independence.

“Brexit has really broken a taboo
. The Brits have shown us that you can leave the European Union and you can come out better.

“The catastrophic visions were just a lie. The UK is doing quite well, the shock that you wanted to see has now turned into trust, everybody thought there was going to be apocalypse falling on the UK but that didn’t happen
.
...
You’ve shown a disdain for the referendum, so what are you protecting us from? Freedom? Democracy?

“It is time to move on and I think that people need a project for the future. Let's be democrats, finally, and let the people decide.”

As she received praise from other members of the European Parliament, she was asked whether she will campaign for “Frexit”.
...

Recent polls have placed Ms Le Pen as one of the front-runners for next year's presidential race, although she faces a packed contest which will also include former leader Nicolas Sarkozy.

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on October 28, 2016, 05:17:50 pm
USA-Exit ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYbYAGc0i5s&feature=youtu.be
Trump In The Eye Of The Storm
Brother Nathanael

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on October 28, 2016, 05:39:30 pm
TB  It has taken almost 30 yrs to try and  re claim back our country and the fight is probably worse now  but it is worth it .I look at your usa elections  and see the same thing
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on November 22, 2016, 11:01:29 am
... this is from a leftie writer, who nonetheless,
sees the writing on the wall:

Marine Le Pen looms over a Trumpian world
French presidential election will pit far-right leader against establishment figures
Gideon Rachman

This time last year, I wrote that “I have a nightmare vision for 2017: President Trump, President Le Pen, President Putin.” So, after Donald Trump’s victory, the next question is whether Marine Le Pen can indeed capture the French presidency?

Following this weekend’s centre-right primary, it seems likely that Ms Le Pen will face a run-off in May against either François Fillon or Alain Juppé. Both are Hillary Clinton-style establishment figures, who would be ideal opponents for the leader of the far-right.

The consequences of a victory for the far-right in France would be drastic for both European and world politics. A Le Pen presidency could well lead to the collapse of the EU. She wants to pull France out of the European single currency and to hold a referendum on France’s EU membership.

Even if Ms Le Pen softened her stance in office, it is hard to see how Angela Merkel’s Germany could work with a nationalist and authoritarian France. With Germany and France set on radically different paths, Franco-German antagonism would return to the heart of European politics.

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A National Front victory in France would mean that the forces of authoritarian nationalism would be flourishing across Europe, from Moscow to Warsaw to Budapest and Paris. Under Mr Trump, the US could no longer be relied upon as a stabilising force to push back against political extremism in Europe.

√ MORE HERE: https://www.ft.com/content/141beb44-ad83-11e6-ba7d-76378e4fef24
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on November 23, 2016, 09:53:37 am

au nom du peuple = in the name of the people

Survey: France Ready To Embrace Populism
CHRIS TOMLINSON. 22 Nov 2016

A new survey has revealed a majority of voters support populist policies in France and elsewhere in Europe, but in Germany populism may have an uphill battle.

A new study by British polling organisation YouGov has revealed what percentage of support populism holds in 12 countries across the European Union (EU). While there were many predictable results like right-wing Poland hugely supporting populism and Germany being the most reluctant, France saw a majority in support and many other major European nations approached a majority as well, reports Die Welt.

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/rsz_gettyimages-607524350-640x480.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/rsz_gettyimages-607524350-640x480.jpg.html)
FRANCK PENNANT/AFP/Getty Images

As 2017 approaches, many major European countries will hold elections on a national level like Germany, the Netherlands, and possibly Austria, or on a presidential level as in France. The parties on the rise in many of these countries are the anti-establishment populists like Marine Le Pen in France or Geert Wilders in the Netherlands.

The YouGov polling shows that Ms. Le Pen may have cause for optimism going into next year’s spring French presidential election. A huge 63 per cent of those surveyed in France said they agreed with the populist ideas of anti-globalism, strong national identity, and border reinforcement to stop mass waves of migration.

√ CONTINUE: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/22/survey-france-ready-embrace-populism/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on November 23, 2016, 11:05:34 am
Frexit is the end of European Union.  :)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on November 24, 2016, 02:47:36 pm
Brexit can be stopped, insists Tony Blair as he rules out return to frontline politics

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/24/brexit-can-stopped-says-tony-blair/http://
Title: Re: WORLDWIDE ANTI-GLOBALIST NATIONALISM RISING
Post by: Jackson Holly on November 28, 2016, 07:43:36 pm
"Not only Europe but the whole world President-elect Trump
is about to inherit seems in turmoil, with old regimes and parties
losing their hold, and nationalist, populist and rightist forces rising."


POPULIST-NATIONALIST TIDE ROLLS ON
Pat Buchanan: 'Old allegiances are fraying, and old allies drifting away'


EXCERPT:
"The point: Not only is the Cold War over, the post-Cold War is over. We are living in a changed and changing world. Regimes are falling. Old parties are dying, new parties rising. Old allegiances are fraying, and old allies drifting away.

The forces of nationalism and populism have been unleashed all over the West and all over the world. There is no going back.

Yet U.S. policy seems set in concrete by war guarantees and treaty commitments dating back to the time of Truman and Stalin and Ike and John Foster Dulles.

America emerged from the Cold War, a quarter century ago, as the sole superpower. Yet, it seems clear that we are not today so dominant a nation as we were in 1989 and 1991.

We have great rivals and adversaries. We are deeper in debt. We are more divided. We’ve fought wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen that availed us nothing. What we had, we kicked away.

America is at a plastic moment in history.

And America needs nothing so much as reflective thought about a quarter century of failures – and fresh thinking about her future."


FANTASTIC LOOK AT THE SITUATION!
http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/populist-nationalist-tide-rolls-on/#KLZK1ruOAQzxIeKu.99
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 03, 2016, 02:21:37 pm
It-Exit ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/03/europe-holds-breath-italy-heads-polls-critical-referendum/
Europe holds its breath as Italy heads to the polls for critical referendum

By Peter Foster,  Europe Editor,  Florence   ;
 Nick Squires,  Rome    and  Andrea Vogt,  Palermo   
3 December 2016 • 5:58pm   


He burst onto Italy’s political scene two years ago promising to reshape his country’s moribund politics, but it was an exhausted, careworn Matteo Renzi who urged Italians to say ‘yes’ to his constitutional reforms when they vote in a referendum on Sunday. 

"We have 48 decisive hours in which we can change the future of our children,” Mr Renzi told crowds his hometown Florence, choosing the city’s symbolic Piazza Della Signoria where Savonarola carried out his famous bonfire of the vanities as the venue for his campaign finale.

...

Mr Renzi, 41, has staked his personal future – and that of Italy and even Europe itself - on the reforms, which he says are vital to reinvigorating a nation mired in debt and ravaged by 36 per cent youth unemployment and a decade of stagnant middle class incomes.

"If we want to shake things up in this country, it is now or never,” he added, warning that it would be “decades” before Italians were given another chance at meaningful renewal

...

Mr Renzi’s departure will weaken the EU and potentially trigger a fresh EU banking crisis if market uncertainty caused by a 'no' vote derails plans to recapitalise Italy’s debt-laden banks.

...

“If Renzi's referendum fails, it will be seen as another symbolic victory for the populists that portends greater risk for other states and the EU,” said Mujtaba Rahman, head of Europe practice at the Eurasia Group risk consultancy
...

Q&A | Italy’s constitutional reform vote

Italians will vote in a national referendum on December 4, 2016 on whether to accept a package of constitutional reform put forward by Matteo Renzi, the centre-Left prime minister
. The reform is designed to reduce the size and powers of the Senate, which currently carries as much weight as the lower house, and claw back power from Italy’s 20 regional governments.

What are the core arguments?

Proponents argue that it will make the passing of legislation easier and propel Italy on the path to increased stability, greater investor confidence and economic recovery. Critics say it will place too much power in the hands of the governing party, posing a threat to democracy.

What is likely to happen?

Polls strongly suggest that a majority of Italians will vote against the reform.
Mr Renzi has indicated that if that happens, he will resign. It is not clear what would happen then – it could be that a temporary or technocratic government is formed. It would then have to draft a new electoral system ahead of an early election in 2017, a year earlier than scheduled.
Title: Re: WORLDWIDE ANTI-GLOBALIST NATIONALISM RISING
Post by: Jackson Holly on December 04, 2016, 11:11:13 am

... Italy & Austria next on the agenda:


Polls Open In Austria and Italy For Anti-Establishment
Votes That May Decide Future of European Union

OLIVER JJ LANE.  4 Dec 2016

Polls opened this morning for the presidential election re-run in Austria and a constitutional referendum in Italy, both of which are being seen as significant opportunities for Europe’s anti-establishment insurgent parties, with right-wing populists enjoying a good chance to prevail in both.

Both polls have already caused significant regret for the European left, with significant potential fallout for the European Union dependent on result.

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In Italy, voters are being asked for a single yes-or-no vote on a series of complicated constitutional changes proposed by Prime Minister Matteo Renzi ... who has said he will resign if the measure fails.

Quote
... in Austria, whichever way the vote goes the nation has no chance of their new president coming from a mainstream party. The two traditional centre left and right parties which have controlled Austrian politics for decades were knocked out in the first round of voting in April ....

First results from the Austrian election are expected around 1800 GMT, with a preliminary result in the evening. A certified result will follow on Monday. Results for the Italian referendum are not expected until Monday.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12/04/polls-open-austria-italy-votes-may-decide-future-european-union/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 04, 2016, 02:21:30 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/04/thought-2016-year-revolution-just-wait-2020-angry-britains-brexit/
If you thought 2016 was a year of revolution, just wait for 2020 and angry Britain's Brexit backlash

By Nigel Farage
4 December 2016 • 7:00pm 

 As this year of political revolution draws to a close, the prospects of the European Union as 2017 approaches could hardly be bleaker. There is no doubt that Brexit is the worst thing ever to happen in the history of the Union. But right across the continent further political opposition is on the march.

It is quite astonishing that in Italy the popular stand-up comedian Beppe Grillo’s Five Star Movement is now constantly above 30 per cent in the polls. In France, Marine Le Pen looks set to win the first round of the French presidential election and while she is not favourite to win the decisive second round, events of 2016 show that it would be foolish to say that it is entirely impossible.

Even in the Netherlands the controversial Geert Wilders leads the polls with a general election due in the spring of next year. The greatest threat to the Union economically would be a further run on the...
 
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on December 04, 2016, 02:35:33 pm

... reports are that the right winger, Hofer, has
lost to Green candidate, Van der Bellen ... hhmmm:


Austrians reject far right in presidential election
Francois Murphy and Kirsti Knolle

VIENNA (Reuters) - Austria's far-right presidential candidate was soundly defeated on Sunday, confounding forecasts of a tight election in which he would ride a wave of populism sweeping the West.

Norbert Hofer lost to former Greens leader Alexander Van der Bellen, who had put the June Brexit referendum at the center of his campaign, saying the far right would lead Austria down the same road and warning voters not to "play with this fire".

"From the beginning I fought and argued for a pro-European Austria," said Van der Bellen.
Hofer, of the anti-immigration and anti-Islam Freedom Party (FPO), was seeking to become Europe's first freely elected far-right head of state since World War Two but conceded defeat soon after polls closed.

A projection by pollster SORA for broadcaster ORF, which included a count of 99 percent of ballots cast in polling stations, showed Van der Bellen on 53.3 percent and Hofer on 46.7 percent with a margin of error of 0.4 percentage points.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/far-second-chance-austrian-presidential-election-085538042.html
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on December 04, 2016, 02:52:40 pm
^^^^

... in Austria:

Austria Presidential Election:
Early Polls Show Victory For Green Candidate

BREITBART LONDON. 4 Dec 2016

Freedom Party of Austria candidate Norbert Hofer has conceded defeat in his bid to become the next president of Austria after early exit polls showed his opponent held a significant lead.

1845 CET — Hofer will fight again
While Freedom Party candidate Mr. Hofer has conceded defeat, he has vowed to run again. Telling Austrian television this result was a “small low”, he said he didn’t anticipate the Austrian government surviving long and would stand for president again.

While the failure to gain the largely ceremonial presidency is a setback for the Freedom party, things are looking good for the coming general election in 2018. Their poll ratings have been steadily climbing for years and they now stand ten points clear of their next nearest rivals the left-wing mainstream SPO, and 20 points clear of the Greens.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12/04/austria-presidential-elections-re-runs-early-polls-show-victory-green-candidate/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on December 04, 2016, 06:13:10 pm
.. in Italy, a different story!

Italian PM Matteo Renzi to resign in
wake of referendum defeat

Matteo Renzi, who staked his future on winning the vote,
says he takes full responsibility for the "extraordinarily clear" defeat.


The result could plunge the country into political turmoil, with the effects felt on the markets and across the rest of Europe.

"The experience of my government ends here," Mr Renzi said in a televised address to the nation after early results suggested he may have lost by as much as 20 points.

Quote
Spearheaded by the populist Five Star Movement, the biggest rival to Mr Renzi's Democratic party, the "No" campaign took advantage of the Mr Renzi's declining popularity, a struggling economy and problems caused by tens of thousands of migrants arriving from Africa.

The vote is a major victory for Five Star leader Beppe Grillo,
who had urged Italians to follow their gut instincts.

http://news.sky.com/story/italian-pm-matteo-renzi-to-resign-in-wake-of-referendum-defeat-10683879
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016 - ItExit
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 05, 2016, 12:13:02 pm
https://sputniknews.com/business/201612051048169431-italy-referendum-euro/

Business11:52 05.12.2016(updated 15:33 05.12.2016)

Fears of the rising populism in Italy are fuelling the anticipation of an Itexit referendum in Italy following Prime Minister Matteo Renzi’s defeat in Sunday’s referendum and his subsequent resignation. Kristian Rouz – Political turmoil has erupted in Europe once again, affecting the markets worldwide, as the Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi-proposed constitutional reform failed in a referendum on Sunday.


....

In order to quell market anxiety, the ECB is poised to enhance its buyouts of Italian bonds and other assets, providing a more accommodative monetary environment to the turbulent EU member-state, hoping to prevent the Itexit scenario. However, it is impossible to speculate how this will eventually play out.



Read more: https://sputniknews.com/business/201612051048169431-italy-referendum-euro/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 05, 2016, 02:51:14 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/photo-world-changed-obama-merkel-renzi-cameron-hollande-a7456471.html
Last world leader standing: The photo that shows just how much the world has changed in 2016


Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi has resigned following his defeat in the country’s referendum to reform the constitution
Loulla-Mae Eleftheriou-Smith |
5 hours  ago|
...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cy3umf7W8AANLOL.jpg)
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 05, 2016, 03:51:14 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/12/05/mark-carney-warns-first-lost-decade-150-years-brands-eurozone/
...
Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, said she was saddened by Mr Renzi’s defeat, having supported his reforms, but said that Europe would continue on its current course, regardless.

,,,
In Rome, Italy’s populist parties called for immediate elections yesterday as negotiations began over the formation of a new government following Mr Renzi's resignation
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on December 06, 2016, 06:39:40 am
... the FAKE GOVERNMENT in EU is forcing the
Internet Overlords to CENSOR REAL NEWS ...
I wonder if this has anything to do with EUEXIT?


" ... social media companies need to live up to
their important role and take up their share of
responsibility when it comes to phenomena like
online radicalisation, illegal hate speech or fake news.”


EU Threatens Action if Facebook
‘Hate Speech’ Not Censored in 24 Hours

LIAM DEACON. 5 Dec 2016

The unelected executive arm of the European Union (EU) is threatening to escalate from “non-legislative” action if Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube do not censor what it considers “illegal” online speech within 24 hours.

In May of this year, the U.S. tech giants signed a “code of conduct”, promising to work with the Commission and national law enforcement to “criminalize” and “sanction” “individual perpetrators” as well as committing to “promoting independent counter-narratives” that the EU favours.

Speaking on Sunday, the EU’s justice commissioner added “fake news” to the list of what they want censored online.

The “series of commitments to combat the spread of illegal hate speech online in Europe” developed “together with… the IT companies” included a promise to “review the majority” of flagged “hate speech” within 24 hours.

Quote
UKIP’s former Justice and Home Affairs spokeswoman and (briefly) leader Diane James MEP told Breitbart London in May: “This legislation is so vague that it is the thin end of the wedge not just to curb hate speech but free speech as well.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12/05/eu-threatens-action-facebook-hate-speech-censored-24-hours/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 06, 2016, 02:49:33 pm
Supreme Court Brexit case: Theresa May issues challenge to Remain MPs over Article 50 vote in middle of hearing
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/06/supreme-court-day-two-live/
Supreme Court Brexit case: Theresa May issues challenge to Remain MPs over Article 50 vote in middle of hearing
By Michael Wilkinson,  Political Correspondent 
 6 December 2016 • 4:58pm   

Day two of Supreme Court appeal in Brexit case
Government appeals against High Court's Article 50 ruling
Theresa May challenges MPs to back her to trigger Brexit
PM hopes move will fend off potential Commons rebellion
How the arguments played out on day one
...

MPs will be challenged by Theresa May to explicitly back her to trigger Brexit by April in the House of Commons on Wednesday, a Tory MP has revealed.

The Prime Minister will hope the move fends off a potential Commons rebellion as up to 40 Tory backbenchers were thought to be ready to back a Labour motion calling for her to set out her Brexit plan.

....
Title: Re: WORLDWIDE ANTI-GLOBALIST NATIONALISM RISING
Post by: Jackson Holly on December 10, 2016, 07:14:35 pm
... the latest from Patrick J. Buchanan:

Has the Trumpian Revolution Begun?

The wailing and keening over the choice of Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt to head the EPA appears to be a lead indicator of a coming revolution far beyond Reagan’s.

“Trump Taps Climate Skeptic For Top Environmental Post,” said The Wall Street Journal. “Climate Change Denial,” bawled a disbelieving New York Times, which urged the Senate to put Pruitt in a “dust bin.”

Clearly, though his victory was narrow, Donald Trump remains contemptuous of political correctness and defiant of liberal ideology.

For environmentalism, as conservative scholar Robert Nisbet wrote in 1982, is more than the “most important social movement” of the 20th century. It is a militant and dogmatic faith that burns heretics.

“Environmentalism is well on its way to becoming the third great wave of redemptive struggle in Western history,” wrote Nisbet, “the first being Christianity, the second modern socialism.” In picking a “climate denier” to head EPA, Trump is rejecting revealed truth.

Yet, as with his choices of Steve Bannon as White House strategist and Sen. Jeff Sessions as attorney general, he has shown himself to be an unapologetic apostate to liberal orthodoxy.

Indeed, with his presidency, we may be entering a post-liberal era.

In 1950, literary critic Lionel Trilling wrote, “In the United States at this time liberalism is not only the dominant but even the sole intellectual tradition. For it is the plain fact that nowadays there are no conservative or reactionary ideas in general circulation.”

The rise of the conservative movement of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan revealed liberalism’s hour to be but a passing moment. Yet, today, something far beyond conservatism seems to be afoot.

As Hegel taught, in the dialectic of history the thesis calls into existence the antithesis. What we seem to be seeing is a rejection, and a counterreformation against the views and values that came out of the social and political revolutions of the 1960s.

Consider the settled doctrine Trump disrespected with Pruitt.

We have long been instructed that climate change is real, that its cause is man-made, that it imperils the planet with rising seas, hurricanes and storms, that all nations have a duty to curb the release of carbon dioxide to save the world for future generations.

This is said to be “scientific truth,” and “climate deniers” are like people who believe the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it. Some hold the matter to be so grave that climate deniers should be censored for promoting socially destructive falsehoods.

Yet, the people remain skeptical.

Their worry is not that the rising waters of the Med will swamp the Riviera, but that tens of millions of Arabs, Muslims and Africans may be coming across to swamp Europe, and that millions of Mexicans may cross the Rio Grande to swamp the USA.

Call them climate deniers or climate skeptics, but they see the establishment as running the Big Con to effect a transfer of wealth and power away from the people — and to themselves.

Across the West, establishments have lost credibility.

The proliferation of minority parties, tearing off pieces of the traditional ruling parties, points to a growing distrust in ruling regimes and a return to identifying with the nation and tribe whence one came.

A concomitant of this is a growing disbelief in egalitarianism and in the equality of all races, creeds, nations, cultures and peoples.

The Supreme Court may say all religions are equal and all must be treated equally. But do Americans believe Christianity and Islam are equal? How could they, when Christians claim their faith has as its founder the Son of God and God himself?

After calling for a ban on Muslim immigration, Trump was elected president. After inviting a million refugees from Syria’s civil war into Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel admits having made a mistake and is now in favor of letting German cities and towns decide if women should be allowed to wear burqas.

A sea change in thought is taking place in the West.

Liberalism appears to be a dying faith.
America’s elites may still preach their trinity of values: diversity, democracy, equality. But the majorities in America and Europe are demanding that the borders be secured and Third World immigrants kept out.

The next president disbelieves in free trade. He wants a border wall. He questions the wisdom of our Mideast wars and the need for NATO. He is contemptuous of democratist dogma that how other nations rule themselves is our business. He rejects transnationalism and globalism.

“There is no global anthem, no global currency, no certificate of global citizenship,” said Trump in Cincinnati, “We pledge allegiance to one flag, and that flag is the American flag. From now on, it’s going to be America first. … We’re going to put ourselves first.”

That’s not Adlai Stevenson or Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama.

Nothing seems settled or certain. All is in flux. But change is coming.
“Things are in the saddle, and ride mankind.”

http://buchanan.org/blog/trumpian-revolution-begun-126120
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: windyacres on January 03, 2017, 11:02:33 pm
Brits Fear Civil War, Riots if Brexit Not Delivered   

“There’ll be hysteria”

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
January 3, 2017


Increasing numbers of Brits are predicting riots and even civil war unless Brexit is delivered, with the March 31st deadline for Article 50 to be triggered fast approaching.

Sky News visited Brexit-strongholds and talked to people who made it clear what they thought would happen if the timeline for Britain’s exit from the EU was not announced soon.

“Oh, there’ll be mass riots. There’ll be hysteria. There could even be a civil war. The country has used its voice and if the Government ignores what the people have said then there is going to be a civil war. There is going to be,” one woman told the broadcaster.

She added that people would be “very angry and let down” if the government attempted to deliver a watered down Brexit that left the UK open to mass uncontrolled immigration from other EU countries.

“People have spoken and if people don’t get what they’ve asked for then people are going to rise and they are going to use their voice in different ways and they are going to be extremely angry,” concluded Liz Pugh.

The sentiment is one that seems increasingly mirrored across the country, with Nigel Farage warning back in November that “political anger the likes of which none of us in our lifetimes have ever witnessed in this country” will unfold if voters feel they have been “cheated”.

Brexit supporters initially warned of riots after the UK’s High Court ruled that Parliament would need to vote for the government to activate Brexit, a decision that is likely to be backed up by a Supreme Court ruling due later this month.

“If Brexit doesn’t go ahead, you are going to get civil uproar. It’s not a word I use lightly, but there is going to be a revolution. There will be a revolution,” said Stephen Raven, a borough councillor in Boston.

(Video at the Link )

http://www.prisonplanet.com/brits-fear-civil-war-riots-if-brexit-not-delivered.html

Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 12, 2017, 08:09:28 am
"Trump has met on several occasions with Nigel Farage,
the former leader of the U.K. Independence Party ..."


Le Pen in New York for Unannounced
Visit During French Race

Helene Fouquet - January 12, 2017

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Marine Le Pen. Photographer: Marlene Awaad/Bloomberg


French National Front leader Marine Le Pen is in New York on an unannounced visit less than four months before France’s presidential election, according to a senior campaign official.

Le Pen, who leads in the latest opinion poll for the presidency, is making a private visit to New York, her campaign chief of staff, David Rachline, said in a text-message exchange. He declined to say if she would meet publicly with President-elect Donald Trump or anyone from his entourage.

“It’s not on her public agenda,” Rachline said, when asked if she planned a meeting with Trump or officials close to him. “We don’t communicate about private visits.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-12/le-pen-in-new-york-for-unannounced-visit-during-french-race
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Al Bundy on January 12, 2017, 10:40:35 am
"Trump has met on several occasions with Nigel Farage,
the former leader of the U.K. Independence Party ..."


Le Pen in New York for Unannounced
Visit During French Race

Helene Fouquet - January 12, 2017

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Marine Le Pen. Photographer: Marlene Awaad/Bloomberg


French National Front leader Marine Le Pen is in New York on an unannounced visit less than four months before France’s presidential election, according to a senior campaign official.

Le Pen, who leads in the latest opinion poll for the presidency, is making a private visit to New York, her campaign chief of staff, David Rachline, said in a text-message exchange. He declined to say if she would meet publicly with President-elect Donald Trump or anyone from his entourage.

“It’s not on her public agenda,” Rachline said, when asked if she planned a meeting with Trump or officials close to him. “We don’t communicate about private visits.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-12/le-pen-in-new-york-for-unannounced-visit-during-french-race

Jackson, you look more trust in Madame Le Pen than the French.
Her father and the founder of the French National Front Jean-Marie Le Pen is a friend of the President of the anti-globalist Serbian Radical Party V. Seselj.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 12, 2017, 10:46:26 am
^^^

... I don't know much about her Father ...
but are you saying his relationship with
Seselj was a bad thing?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on January 12, 2017, 10:47:31 am
^^^

... I don't know much about her Father ...
but are you saying his relationship with
Seselj was a bad thing?

(http://i.imgur.com/J9xecuF.jpg)(http://)
Jackson, a picture says more than 1000 words.  :)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 17, 2017, 06:29:46 am
... May says UK going for a "Clean break".

We're going for FULL Brexit! PM puts
immigration curbs at heart of 12-point
plan for leaving the EU as she confirms
we are quitting single market...
but MPs WILL get a vote on final deal

  * Prime Minister is finally unveiling her blueprint for taking UK out of the EU
  * Rejects 'half-in, half-out' deal and makes clear are leaving the single market
  * Britain will regain control over borders and quit the European Court of Justice
  * But makes concession by announcing MPs and peers to get vote on final deal
  * Remainers have already accused her of seeking 'clicky fingers' solutions
  * Markets being watched closely for their response to her crucial speech
    PUBLISHED: 06:51 EST, 17 January 2017

EXCERPT:
‘I want Britain to be what we have the potential talent and ambition to be; a great global trading nation that is respected around the world and strong, confident and united at home.

‘That is why this Government has a plan for Britain; one that gets us the right deal abroad but also ensures we get a better deal for ordinary working people at home.

‘It’s why this plan sets how we we’lll use this moment of change to build a stronger economy and a fairer society.’

√ Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4127246/PM-immigration-Brexit-plan-leaving-EU-single-market.html#ixzz4W1Nz2ZIB
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 17, 2017, 06:58:26 am
FULL BREXIT !

I can hardly believe that the Prime Minister is now using the phrases and words that I've been mocked for using for years. Real Progress

Nigel Farage - Twitter
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage?lang=en-gb
 
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 17, 2017, 06:59:37 am
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Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 17, 2017, 07:09:28 am
"Leave" means Leave

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/17/12/article-4127246-3C3371AA00000578-739_964x542.jpg)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 17, 2017, 07:30:51 am
My worry is how long this is going to take and when will we start doing a deal with the USA and others

Nigel Farage
Twitter
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 17, 2017, 10:53:26 am
"Leave" means Leave


(http://www.partenopress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/full-monty1.jpg)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 17, 2017, 02:37:47 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/17/theresa-may-brexit-12-point-plan-live/
Theresa May confirms Britain will leave Single Market as she sets out 12-point Brexit plan
By Michael Wilkinson,  Political Correspondent 
17 January 2017 • 6:05pm   

Theresa May vows to leave Single Market
Parliament will get vote on final Brexit deal
'No deal' better than 'bad deal', PM warns EU
Join Telegraph live debate on May's plan
May's 12-point plan explained
May just made Brussels an offer it can't refuse
Theresa May's Brexit speech in full
How the markets reacted to May's speech
Davos 2017 live coverage

Theresa May has revealed her 12-point plan for Brexit, in which she confirmed that the UK will leave the Single Market.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 17, 2017, 03:31:10 pm

Theresa May announces Britain will not
remain full member of EU customs union

Adam Withnall

EXCERPT:
She highlighted Donald Trump's recent comments, in which he said he is keen to do a trade deal with the UK once it is outside the customs union, which prohibits members from negotiating their own external deals.

"Countries including China, Brazil and the Gulf states have already expressed interest in striking trade deals with us," she said.

"We have started discussions on future trade ties with countries like Australia, New Zealand and India. And President-elect Trump has said that Britain is not at the back of the queue for a trade deal with the United States, the world's biggest economy, but front of the line."


.... She said she had an open mind whether that meant a "completely new" agreement, becoming "an associate member of the customs union in some way" or "remaining a signatory to some elements of it".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-customs-union-britain-brexit-eu-a7531246.html
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on January 17, 2017, 05:46:49 pm
My worry is how long this is going to take and when will we start doing a deal with the USA and others

Nigel Farage
Twitter

Not sure if anyone really knows the answer to that one (the sooner the better ) I have not had time yet to listen to the whole of the Theresa May Brexit speech today but I was pleasantly surprised .

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 18, 2017, 03:54:28 am
Not sure if anyone really knows the answer to that one (the sooner the better ) I have not had time yet to listen to the whole of the Theresa May Brexit speech today but I was pleasantly surprised .

Same here, I need to actually hear the entire unedited speech.

A week or so ago, I listened to the entire unedited Trump Press Conference, but the next day it seemed like the press had gone to several different press conferences... LOL



Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 18, 2017, 03:26:18 pm
Comment by Reader (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/reader-comments/p/comment/link/172495014)

You do not require a Trade Deal to trade; you need a product someone is willing to buy. We do not have a trade deal with China, the USA etc. It took the EU 7 years to arrange a trade deal with Canada!! We currently pay £12B a year to trade with the EU and when we withdraw, and if the EU imposes unfair trade tariffs, we will impose our own, which will hurt EU traders more than us (it will assist UK manufacturers) since we have a trade deficit with the EU. Let us not forget that only 5% of UK businesses trade with the EU. As for the 500M people in the European market, 25% are unemployed and 25% have an income of £2.60/hour. As a % age of world output the EU accounted for 31% of word trade in 1980, 18% by 2014 and is projected to fall to just 9.5% within 20 years. In a German accent; "sooo, zee pesky Britishers have departed from zee EU. From now on vee vill not sell zem anymore BMWs, Mercedes or VWs. Zat vill teach zee swine unt lesson¿¿¿oh, wait unt minut.....!"
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on January 18, 2017, 04:08:10 pm
Same here, I need to actually hear the entire unedited speech.

A week or so ago, I listened to the entire unedited Trump Press Conference, but the next day it seemed like the press had gone to several different press conferences... LOL

I will listen to the whole thing at the weekend EG when I have a bit more time . still think some where down the line the sore losers are going to try and force another vote either national or in parliament . LOL at the press conferences , talking of news etc man I am tired of the BBC they make some great programs ,but the BBC  news sucks when it comes to independent reporting and I begrudge paying for that as a tax payer .
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 19, 2017, 08:10:25 am
I will listen to the whole thing at the weekend EG when I have a bit more time . still think some where down the line the sore losers are going to try and force another vote either national or in parliament . LOL at the press conferences , talking of news etc man I am tired of the BBC they make some great programs ,but the BBC  news sucks when it comes to independent reporting and I begrudge paying for that as a tax payer .

Did you see or read about the latest BBC production by Panorama ?

BBC Trump: The Kremlin Candidate?

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on January 21, 2017, 05:00:48 pm
Did you see or read about the latest BBC production by Panorama ?

BBC Trump: The Kremlin Candidate?

Yes EG  I did more BBC news fake news

On aside note I would really like to see you back moderating (at least ) the UK Brexit politics side of the forum .I dont do it any justice  I dont have the time or in depth research that you do on the subject
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on January 21, 2017, 05:17:31 pm
Re The Theresa may Brexit speach I listend to the whole thing .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0rRnTFJszU . I was encouraged but talk is cheap , and there are plenty of people who want to hijack the will of the voters
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 21, 2017, 06:13:38 pm
Re The Theresa may Brexit speach I listend to the whole thing .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0rRnTFJszU . I was encouraged but talk is cheap , and there are plenty of people who want to hijack the will of the voters

At least in polls the vast majority are in favour, but like you say,  its a long road and talk is cheap.

I recall Theresa May was said to have wowed the crowds at party conference, but utterly failed to deliver.
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 22, 2017, 09:35:38 am
“2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017,
I am sure, the people of continental Europe will wake up.”


European Populists Meet To Plan
‘Patriotic Spring In Europe’

JACOB BOJESSON.  01/21/2017

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France's National Front leader Marine Le Pen and Netherlands' Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders take a Selfie during a European
far-right leaders meeting to discuss about the European Union, in Koblenz, Germany, January 21, 2017. REUTERS/Wolfgang Rattay


Europe’s populist leaders want to build on the momentum from Brexit
and Donald Trump’s presidency as they gathered Saturday in Germany.


Populist parties in Germany, France and the Netherlands hope to shake up the political landscape during elections this year. Marine Le Pen, leader of France’s National Front, said 2017 is the year when she hopes the European people “wake up.”

"Populist parties in Germany, France and the Netherlands hope to shake
up the political landscape during elections this year."


√ Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/21/european-populists-meet-to-plan-patriotic-spring-in-europe/#ixzz4WVMY1Gff
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on January 22, 2017, 09:43:35 am
 8)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on January 22, 2017, 10:51:11 am
I am doing happy exit .but if the snowflakes and buttercups keep it up someone is going to get butt hurt and it wont be me
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 22, 2017, 11:06:55 am
kind of interesting ....still don't believe Fox network is a friend ...  the whole globalist back stabbing game seems to be afoot ...

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/315273-fox-news-signs-nigel-farage-backer-of-trump-and-brexit
Fox News signs Nigel Farage, backer of Trump and Brexit
 By Joe Concha - 01/20/17 12:04 PM EST

Fox News has signed former United Kingdom Independence Party leader Nigel Farage as a contributor.

Farage — a major backer of Brexit who campaigned for President-elect Donald Trump  last year — "will offer political analysis across [Fox News] and FOX Business Network’s daytime and primetime programming" effective immediately, according to a network announcement.

Farage, 52, was the leader of Britain’s Independence Party from 2006 to 2009 and from 2010 to 2016. He began his career as a commodities trader in 1982 and also served in the European Parliament.

“Brexit was great, but Trump becoming president of the USA is Brexit plus plus plus,” Farage said at an inauguration party in Washington on Thursday night.
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 22, 2017, 11:12:29 am
^^^

... and then there is this:

Farage to Be ‘Close but Unofficial’ Advisor to
President Trump, Says Mississippi Governor


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=318719.msg1617613#msg1617613
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on January 22, 2017, 11:36:21 am
T
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on January 22, 2017, 12:09:50 pm
Turn up on my patch smashing windows etc etc your going to get your ass kicked and that aint BS
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 22, 2017, 01:49:34 pm
kind of interesting ....still don't believe Fox network is a friend ...  the whole globalist back stabbing game seems to be afoot ...

Fox is owned by Rupert Murdock - he has a track record of usually backing the winning side, rather than being ideologically driven

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on January 22, 2017, 02:04:22 pm
Its all mostly bought and paid  for be it the dems or reps and are equivilant in th UK
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 22, 2017, 04:32:04 pm
Fox is owned by Rupert Murdock - he has a track record of usually backing the winning side, rather than being ideologically driven

So he's backing the Saudis the winning side hmmm...


http://bigthink.com/Resurgence/sharia-prince-owns-stake-in-fox-news-parent
Sharia Prince Owns Stake In FOX News Parent
    Over a year ago
by Kris Broughton

How ironic is it that the FOX News where Sean Hannity has been howling about Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf wanting “Sharia law” to replace our existing laws is the very same FOX News whose parent company, the Rupert Murdoch controlled News Corporation, has as its second largest shareholder Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?

Prince Alwaleed’s uncle, King Abdullah, actually rules Saudi Arabia under Sharia law. Prince Alwaleed, who is reported to enjoy a close personal relationship with Murdoch, has become so enamored of Murdoch’s media success that he is starting his own 24 hour news station, a venture dubbed the “Arabic FOX News” by Raw Story.

    Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch has partnered with Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal to launch a new 24-hour news network for the Arab world, a move that has drawn mockery from Murdoch's critics and questions from media experts. First and foremost among those questions is whether a news service linked to the famously pro-Israeli Fox News will resonate among Arab viewers.
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 22, 2017, 05:33:46 pm

see above


Perhaps ideological whore would be more accurate ?

I suppose others would describe as amoral, but thats a bit old fashioned.
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 23, 2017, 06:52:19 am
"The genie will not go back into the bottle again,
whether you like it or not."
— Geert Wilders

Trump Fires Up Europe's Anti-Establishment Movement
"This year will be the year of the people."
Soeren Kern    January 22, 2017

Inspired by the inauguration of U.S. President Donald J. Trump, the leaders of Europe's main anti-establishment parties have held a pan-European rally aimed at coordinating a political strategy to mobilize potentially millions of disillusioned voters in upcoming elections in Germany, the Netherlands and France.

Appearing together in public for the first time, Marine Le Pen, leader of the French National Front, Frauke Petry, leader of the Alternative for Germany (AfD), Geert Wilders, leader of the Dutch Party for Freedom (PVV), Matteo Salvini, leader of Italy's Northern League and Harald Vilimsky of Austria's Freedom Party gathered on January 21 at a rally in Koblenz, Germany, where they called on European voters to participate in a "patriotic spring" to topple the European Union, reassert national sovereignty and secure national borders.

The two-hour rally was held under the banner of the Europe of Nations and Freedom (ENF), a group established in June 2015 by Members of the European Parliament from nine counties to oppose European federalism and the transfer of political power from voters to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, the de facto capital of the European Union.

Referring to the June 2016 decision by British voters to leave the European Union, and the rise of President Donald Trump in the United States, Le Pen said:

"We are living through the end of one world, and the birth of another. We are experiencing the return of nation-states. 2016 was the year the Anglo-Saxon world woke up. 2017, I am sure, will be the year in which the peoples of the European continent rise up."

Wilders added:

"The world is changing. America is changing. Europe is changing. It started last year with Brexit, yesterday there was Trump and today the freedom-loving parties gathered in Koblenz are making a stand. The genie will not go back into the bottle again, whether you like it or not. The people of the West are awakening. They are throwing off the yoke of political correctness."

√ CONTINUE: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9810/trump-europe-establishment
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 23, 2017, 07:06:19 am
Its great to see Anti-Establishment doing well, until you find out they are basic Nazi-Lite.

Replacing the covert establishment nazis, with overt nazis just because they are anti-establishment....

Am I alone in spotting the problem ?


Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 23, 2017, 07:15:13 am
^^^


... no. The Democrat Party over here says the same thing.  :P
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 23, 2017, 07:23:20 am
^^^


... no. The Democrat Party over here says the same thing.  :P

/me  does not laugh

Seriously ?

Marine Le Pen has done a lot to distance the party from "kill all the jews" but even so one can not avoid the  "Jean-Marie Le Pen" VICHY FRANCE Collaborator inheritance.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 23, 2017, 07:46:34 am
/me  does not laugh

Seriously ?

Marine Le Pen has done a lot to distance the party from "kill all the jews" but even so one can not avoid the  "Jean-Marie Le Pen" VICHY FRANCE Collaborator inheritance.

... big league.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 23, 2017, 07:53:34 am
I worry about false alternatives.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on January 23, 2017, 08:07:58 am
/me  does not laugh

Seriously ?

Marine Le Pen has done a lot to distance the party from "kill all the jews" but even so one can not avoid the  "Jean-Marie Le Pen" VICHY FRANCE Collaborator inheritance.

You think anybody remember Vichy France ? Or terrorist attacks ?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 23, 2017, 09:59:36 am
You think anybody remember Vichy France ? Or terrorist attacks ?

I think most adults do not known what the meaning of the words "Vichy France"  ;D ;D

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 23, 2017, 10:50:46 am
/me  does not laugh

Seriously ?

Marine Le Pen has done a lot to distance the party from "kill all the jews" but even so one can not avoid the  "Jean-Marie Le Pen" VICHY FRANCE Collaborator inheritance.


France has a lot of political problems since its been Socialist/Communist since post WWII ( most resistance members were communists) DeGaule worked post WWII with the US/allies to keep it from going total communist (like Italy) with Gladio op. Gaullists hooked up with "reformed" Vichy ..

Anyway ... lots of ex-Vichy folks allied with DeGaulle  with leads into the National Front ....

Anyway a couple of articles :



https://www.quora.com/What-is-Marine-Le-Pens-view-on-the-Vichy-regime
Dominique Dallemagne, studied Fascism and Hitler
Written Dec 15

Marine Le Pen is a Republican whatever else she might be. The insinuations that she is some sort of believer in the Marshal, in Pétain, is really quite ridiculous and only put forward by the weaker cartoonists.

What is true is that when her father was in charge of the party decades ago in the 1980s, some people who had sympathised with Vichy rallied to his standard. But Marine has broken completely with her father and has founded a different kind of National Front than in the 1980s. She was a very modern young women in her twenties, and she’s not a practising Catholic and very far from the reactionary catholicism of Pétain. Marine went clubbing in Montmartre as a student and had a pretty wild existence. Now she has brought Jews and gays into the party and they are now in leading positions with her in it.

Those stuffy and prejudiced Vichy people are nearly all dead now. They mean nothing to modern France and nothing to Marine. To be 20 when the Marshal left power you’d have to be in your 90s now.

But don’t please deduce from this that i would vote for her.


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see also::

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/marine-jean-marie-le-pen-national-front-immigration-elections/
How the National Front Changed France
Marine Le Pen has taken the National Front into the French mainstream without shedding the party’s far-right politics.
by Hugh McDonnell

Over the summer Jean-Marie Le Pen was expelled from the National Front (FN) — the far-right party he cofounded, led for nearly four decades, and is the largest of its kind in Europe. The expulsion, which Le Pen is contesting, was the culmination of a months-long family feud between Jean-Marie and his successor and daughter, Marine Le Pen.


At issue were a series of comments Jean-Marie made in April of this year. First, in an interview on the flagship current affairs show Bourdin Direct, he repeated his claim, made at various junctures in his career, that the Nazi gas chambers were “a detail” of the Second World War. Furthermore, he insisted that all kinds of patriots are welcome in the FN — fervent Pétainists (collaborationists with Vichy France) just as much as fervent Gaullists.

The remarks, and the very bitter personal feud that ensued, make excellent copy for gossip columns and shows. But they also offer an excellent point of entry for understanding the recent history and evolution of the FN — which, under Marine, is undergoing a process of “de-demonization,” ostensibly distancing itself from toxic extremism
...

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Also interesting the Nazi war with the Freemasons:


https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007187
Freemasonry under the Nazi Regime

When the Nazis came to power, policy towards the Freemasons was equivocal. Efforts to eliminate the Freemason did not receive top priority. Those lodges that espoused tolerance and equality and had international connections or connections through their leaders to the Social Democrats or liberal democrats were subject to persecution and often pressured into “voluntary” dissolution. A few conservative German lodges that were willing to accommodate themselves to the regime were able to continue some form of existence for only a little longer. Nevertheless, the regime intended to exclude those who refused to give up their Masonic connections.
...
Because many of the Freemasons who were arrested were also Jews and/or members of the political opposition, it is not known how many individuals were placed in Nazi concentration camps and/or were targeted only because they were Freemasons. Some former lodge members, as individuals, participated in or were associated with German resistance circles; and some were arrested and murdered during World War II.

...
Some of Germany's Axis partners decreed police and discriminatory measures against Masons. In August 1940, the Vichy France regime issued a decree declaring Masons to be enemies of the state and authorizing police surveillance of them. The French wartime authorities even created a card file that identified all members of the Grand Orient of France, a leading French Masonic organization; the card file survived the war and was later microfilmed for the holdings of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Archives.

In 1942, Alfred Rosenberg was authorized by a Hitler decree to wage an “intellectual war” against the Jews and Freemasons. To that end, Hitler permitted Rosenberg's “Deployment Staff of Reich Leader Rosenberg (Einsatzstab Reichsleiter Rosenberg; ERR) to seize and evaluate Masonic archives and libraries to best equip them to carry on the “methodical intellectual fight” that was “necessary to win the war.” The members of ERR were guaranteed the support of the High Command of the German Armed Forces (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht; OKW) in fulfilling their mission.

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a LITTLE HISTORY:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Mitterrand
François Maurice Adrien Marie Mitterrand (French: [fʁɑ̃swa mɔʁis mitɛʁɑ̃] ( listen); 26 October 1916 – 8 January 1996) was a French politician who was President of France from 1981 to 1995, the longest time in office of any French president. As leader of the Socialist Party, he was the first figure from the left elected president under the Fifth Republic.

Reflecting family influences, Mitterrand started political life on the Catholic nationalist right. He served under the Vichy Regime in its earlier years. Subsequently he joined the Resistance, moved to the left, and held ministerial office repeatedly under the Fourth Republic. He opposed de Gaulle's establishment of the Fifth Republic. Although at times a politically isolated figure, Mitterrand outmaneuvered rivals to become the left's standard bearer in every presidential election from 1965 to 1988, except 1969. Elected President in the May 1981 presidential election, he was re-elected in 1988 and held office until 1995.

Mitterrand invited the Communist Party into his first government, a controversial move at the time. In the event, the Communists were boxed in as junior partners and, rather than taking advantage, saw their support erode. They left the cabinet in 1984. Early in his first term, Mitterrand followed a radical economic program, including nationalization of key firms, but after two years, with the economy in crisis, he reversed course. His foreign and defense policies built on those of his Gaullist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Hollande

François Gérard Georges Nicolas Hollande born 12 August 1954) is a French politician who has been President of the French Republic and ex officio Co-Prince of Andorra since taking office in 2012. Hollande was previously the First Secretary of the French Socialist Party from 1997 to 2008, the mayor of Tulle from 2001 to 2008, and the President of the Corrèze General Council from 2008 to 2012. Hollande also served in the National Assembly of France twice for the department of Corrèze's 1st Constituency from 1988 to 1993, and again from 1997 to 2012.
...

He began his political career as a special advisor to newly elected President François Mitterrand, before serving as a staffer for Max Gallo, the government's spokesman. After a brief stint as a municipal councillor for Ussel, he was elected as the country's inaugural First Secretary of the Socialist Party
...
During his tenure, Hollande legalized same-sex marriage by passing Bill no. 344, reformed labor furlough and credit training programs, withdrew French combat troops present in the Afghanistan military intervention,[1][2] concluded a E.U. directive through a Franco-German contract and led the country through the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks. He was a leading proponent of NATO’s 2011 military intervention in Libya and has sent troops to Mali and the Central African Republic.

Some of his actions and opinions regarding EU mandatory migrant quotas, the Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen, Brexit,[3][4] and the proposed constitutional amendment regarding the removal of French citizenship from suspected terrorists,[5] have drawn domestic and international controversy. As a member of the G8, Hollande has struggled to revive the economy of France in ways that sparked long-term economic stimulus by increasing taxes and seeing unemployment up to 10% as of December 2016,[5][6] however his economic policies have secured France as the most toured country in the world[7][8][9] and consolidated France's status as a nation of open markets, regulatory efficiency, rule of law and limited governmental intervention.[10][11]
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 23, 2017, 11:39:12 am

... a lot of 20th C. history ... let's see what
it all means as we near the third decade of
#21 and all that old-timey political posturing and
sloganeering and nomenclature seems so
shop-worn and meaningless.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 23, 2017, 11:45:20 am
... a lot of 20th C. history ... let's see what it all means as we near the third decade of
#21 and all that old-timey political posturing and sloganeering and nomenclature seems so
shop-worn and meaningless.

Yes most of the cultural meme's have been morphed ..  Notice Free Masonry is  much reduced from todays society ...

( Freemasonry are men's clubs and their reduction is an Emasculation of society .. )

Notice that islam is also men's club of strange sorts - Is that the replacement in the void ?

I was once a poor young man once and HAD to stay at the SF YMCA which was loaded with gay men stalking . Was that Christian?  How would you like running that gauntlet unless you were desperate?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - [ CANCLELED by COURT ]
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 24, 2017, 07:18:24 am
Brexit Canceled by "Court"

Court Case - sent to a court invented by Tony Blair, with the majority of Judges rabid EuroTraitors - has ruled BREXIT must STOP


In the long run, this is just a delaying tactic.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - [ CANCLELED by COURT ]
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 24, 2017, 07:21:04 am
Supreme Court rules against Theresa May on Article 50 by a majority of 8 to 3
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/24/supreme-court-article-50-brexit-judgment-ruling-live/

Article 50 ruling: What does it mean for Brexit - and what happens next?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/23/article-50-ruling-will-mean-brexit1/

The highest court in the land rejected an appeal by ministers against a High Court judgment blocking their decision to begin Britain's exit from the European Union without Parliament having a say.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - [ CANCLELED by COURT ]
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 24, 2017, 07:38:57 am
Its a LIE

They claim that its all about The Supremacy of Parliament, but Parliament gets its authority from the We The People - who have already spoken via a referendum.

The British Constitution is a complex beast. Hence, most Britions don't understand it, let alone Americans
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - [ CANCLELED by COURT ]
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 24, 2017, 07:39:39 am
The British Constitution is a complex beast. Hence, most Britions don't understand it, let alone Americans


The American Constitution + Bill of Rights did not magically appear out of the ether.

The ultimate authority is Parliament, not the Crown. This is because, Parliament can, and has, sacked and appointed Kings. Next time you hear some crap that The Queen rules everything, just remember that the Constitution places the Crown as a Puppet to Parliament.


English revolution of 1688

The King was tolerant of Catholics and it looked like the next King of England might be a Catholic.

Catholics denied the Right to VOTE
King forbidden to MARRIAGE to Catholic ( not abolished until 2015)
Catholics forbidden Military Commissions ( no Catholic Officers )
King forbidden to be a Catholic
ETC.....

Parliament got to write and dictate the Oath of Coronation, and we got the English Bill of Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689).

It is a complex topic, and this forgotten history still echoes throughout Modern America - But understandably most Americans are completely clueless.


Reading :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War


Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 24, 2017, 10:29:36 am
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/823826365560553472
Nigel Farage Verified account
‏@Nigel_Farage
1:34 AM - 24 Jan 2017
The establishment are trying to delay the Brexit process. People are getting angry about it.


http://www.katyjon.com/tag/eu-referendum/
...
The Government is going to appeal to the Supreme Court but this is embarrassing for Theresa May and will add delays to the process. The appeal, may, ironically, end up in the European Court of Justice! Something that would not appeal to Nigel Farage.

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/794124251259432960?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Nigel Farage
3:29 AM - 3 Nov 2016
I now fear every attempt will be made to block or delay triggering Article 50. They have no idea level of public anger they will provoke.
3:29 AM - 3 Nov 2016

(http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/RTA/6X9/RTA6X9x8c.png)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 24, 2017, 11:03:15 am
After March the next phase of the EU Treaty kicks in . . . which changes everything !
The public have been kept like proverbial mushrooms as in ; kept in the dark and fed decayed BS.


What does it means, and why is it effectively a Secret you ask ?

European Union changes Voting and Veto and migrates to QMV Qualified Majority Voting - after MARCH, which is why Prime Minister Tersa May said "Article 50 before the end of March"

We will have to persuade a total of 14 EU Member States to support our decision to leave.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 24, 2017, 11:20:31 am
April 1st

Yup, that is when the European Union crushes the member states.

Oh the Irony of it . . . April's Fool's Day
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 24, 2017, 11:31:54 am
'European Parliament will have the final say on Brexit.'

It will be EUROPE'S Parliament that has the final say on Brexit, senior MEP claims after High Court ruling on Article 50 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4152662/Weber-EU-Parliament-final-say-Brexit.html
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 24, 2017, 12:10:00 pm
'European Parliament will have the final say on Brexit.'

It will be EUROPE'S Parliament that has the final say on Brexit, senior MEP claims after High Court ruling on Article 50 

Talk about Bull SH_T .., Treaties were MADE TO BE BROKEN
Just ask the US Native Americans !
.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4152662/Weber-EU-Parliament-final-say-Brexit.html
...

The intervention came on the day the UK Supreme Court cleared up the Brexit process, confirming Theresa May must secure a new law to start the Brexit talks.

The court defeat prompted a senior MEP to taunt Britain that the European Parliament would have the 'final say on Brexit.
Title: Re: BrExit - [ What's the truth about Gina Miller? ]
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 25, 2017, 06:10:45 am
What's the truth about Gina Miller?
A loss-making company.
False claims about a law degree.
And critics who say she's a shameless self-publicist...


By Ruth Sunderland for the Daily Mail
Published: 23:26, 24 January 2017 | Updated: 09:39, 25 January 20
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4154094/What-s-truth-Gina-Miller.html

read article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4154094/What-s-truth-Gina-Miller.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4154094/What-s-truth-Gina-Miller.html)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 25, 2017, 06:30:40 am
^^^

... what are the chances of a YES vote for
BREXIT in Parliament?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 25, 2017, 06:36:02 am
^^^

... what are the chances of a YES vote for
BREXIT in Parliament?

For parliament it is almost certainly going to pass with a huge majority - because they fear to be seen in public opposing the referendum result.
BUT . . . roughly  80% of MP's voted Remain.
SECOND huge problem is the Second House, called "The House of Lords"


The ELEPHANT in the room is QMV March 31st / April Fools Day.
IF they can delay Brexit Article 50 - then it becomes almost impossible to negotiate to leave.
Scroll Up for explanation

That is why any kind of delay tactic is not harmless, it is not mere wheels of democracy turning.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 25, 2017, 07:17:25 pm
... Theresa May to be the first world
leader to meet the new US president.


(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/methode-times-prod-web-bin-ab147bea-e345-11e6-802a-dc53f5401bb9.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/methode-times-prod-web-bin-ab147bea-e345-11e6-802a-dc53f5401bb9.jpg.html)

Bullish May tells Trump they can lead the world
Prime minister says US election and Brexit have renewed hope
Francis Elliott, Political Editor | Rhys Blakely, Washington
January 26 2017

Britain and America will have the opportunity to “lead together again”
with renewed confidence after the surprise results of the US election
and Brexit vote, Theresa May will say today.


Striking an optimistic tone before becoming the first world leader to meet the new US president, Mrs May will say that Britain is ready to “build relationships with old friends”. She will hail Donald Trump’s election as a moment of “renewal” in which the American people rediscovered their confidence.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/bullish-may-tells-trump-they-can-lead-the-world-l38sqhhwc
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 26, 2017, 07:44:09 am
The ELEPHANT in the room is QMV March 31st / April Fools Day.

The EU Treaty / Constitution changes on that date, phasing in Qualified Majority Voting meaning we would need a majority (as qualified by treaty) vote.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 26, 2017, 07:47:19 am
Smoke and Mirrors

All eyes are drawn to this, but of course it will be easily passed :

Battle lines are drawn for Brexit showdown with Remoaners as PM unveils legislation that will FINALLY trigger Article 50
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4159654/PM-unveils-law-FINALLY-trigger-Article-50.html

The point is to DELAY the inevitable so that Brexit Article 50 is after March 31 st and The EU Constitution changes - making it impossible to negotiate a proper Brexit.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 26, 2017, 01:12:22 pm
Smoke and Mirrors

All eyes are drawn to this, but of course it will be easily passed :

Battle lines are drawn for Brexit showdown with Remoaners as PM unveils legislation that will FINALLY trigger Article 50
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4159654/PM-unveils-law-FINALLY-trigger-Article-50.html

The point is to DELAY the inevitable so that Brexit Article 50 is after March 31 st and The EU Constitution changes - making it impossible to negotiate a proper Brexit.

Notice France election is April:
'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_2017

The first round of the 2017 French presidential election will be held on 23 April 2017. Should no candidate win a majority, a run-off election between the top two candidates will be held on 7 May 2017.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 26, 2017, 06:58:36 pm
... Theresa May proving to be a strong ally ...

Let’s stand together and halt eclipse of the West
● No more failed wars like Iraq, May tells Trump
● Our values must endure despite China’s rise


Francis Elliott, Philadelphia
January 27 2017

Theresa May offered last night to help President Trump to prevent the West from being “eclipsed” by China as she urged him not to shirk his “obligation” to lead the world.

In a speech to a Republican congressional retreat in Philadelphia the prime minister matched parts of Mr Trump’s controversial foreign policy.

She criticised China’s increasingly “assertive” posture, promised to help to curb Iran’s “malign influence” in the Middle East and to do more to defend allies such as Israel in “tough neighbourhoods” while admitting that it was time to engage Russia in the search for peace in Syria.

Mrs May offered an updated edition of the special relationship, one that would be shorn of illusions about “making the world in our image” ...

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/lets-stand-together-and-halt-eclipse-of-the-west-0j6mwwjx9
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 27, 2017, 06:13:01 am
The actual Bill

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/26/14/3C88CF5D00000578-4159654-image-m-16_1485441377074.jpg)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 27, 2017, 06:17:55 am
The thing to watch for, is attempts to slow down and delay the inevitable because of the March Qualified Majority Voting deadline.

I'm sure it will get passed, noise will be made, the press will try and create an atmosphere of high drama. Of course the Remain crowd, the vast majority of Parliament will either vote for the bill or abstain - and it will get a large majority vote. The UK does not have filibusters, but the principle of time wasting is universal. Labour MPs will try to dilute and delay Brexit, but fail . . . they know they will fail, that is not the point despite the press coverage.

Expect to see more articles like this

Two Labour whips defy Jeremy Corbyn on article 50 vote
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/27/jeremy-corbyn-article-50-vote-two-labour-whips-refuse
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 27, 2017, 06:27:25 am
The actual Bill

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/26/14/3C88CF5D00000578-4159654-image-m-16_1485441377074.jpg)

As text :



A bill to confer power on the Prime Minister to notify, under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the EU.

Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—

1 Power to notify withdrawal from the EU

(1)The Prime Minister may notify, under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the EU.

(2)This section has effect despite any provision made by or under the European Communities Act 1972 or any other enactment.

2 Short title

This Act may be cited as the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 27, 2017, 06:38:31 am
Labour table NINE amendments to Article 50 Bill including right to REJECT Brexit deal
LABOUR will table nine amendments to the Government’s Article 50 Bill when it passes through the House of Commons.
By Greg Heffer, Political Reporter
PUBLISHED: 17:31, Thu, Jan 26, 2017 | UPDATED: 18:17, Thu, Jan 26, 2017
 (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759323/Labour-table-nine-amendments-Article-50-Bill-Brexit-deal-vote-Jeremy-Corbyn)

Jeremy Corbyn’s party have announced they will add a series of conditions to the proposed legislation, which was introduced to Parliament today.

Brexit Secretary David Davis presented the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill to the House of Commons this afternoon.

It is expected to move through Parliament before Theresa May's deadline of March 31 to trigger Article 50.

The Bill follows the Supreme Court's ruling this week the Prime Minister must first gain the consent of MPs and peers before beginning EU divorce negotiations.

The short proposed Bill contains two clauses, but Labour have proposed significantly adding to its word-length with a series of conditions.

These include a demand for a parliamentary vote on Britain’s final exit deal before it reaches MEPs in the European Parliament, tying the Government to an ambition to protect workers’ rights and full tariff-free Single Market access, guaranteeing EU migrants’ rights in the UK and regular consultation with all UK parliaments during the Brexit talks.

Mr Corbyn said: “Labour will seek to amend the Article 50 Bill to prevent the Government using Brexit to turn Britain into a bargain basement tax haven off the coast of Europe. Our country can do much better than that.

“We respect the will of the British people, but not the will of this Tory government to impose fewer rights at work and worse public services, while the largest corporations pay even less tax.

“Labour will ensure that the British people, through Parliament, have genuine accountability and oversight over the Brexit negotiations because no one voted to give Prime Minister Theresa May a free hand over our future."
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 27, 2017, 06:38:59 am
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How Donald Trump, Theresa May are the 2017 version
of '80s power couple Reagan-Thatcher

Kim Hjelmgaard and Jane Onyanga-Omara

LONDON — He was a skilled communicator and a celebrity.
She was strong-willed and shared his disdain for big government.


They were the power political couple of the 1980s: Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. Now a similar pairing is emerging three decades later in President Trump and British Prime Minister Theresa May, who meet at the White House on Friday.

May arrives in Washington as the first foreign leader to meet Trump as president. Before their sitdown, she had the rare privilege of addressing congressional Republicans in Philadelphia on Thursday.

May says U.S., Britain have 'opportunity to lead, together, again' (Link)

Brits bringing Trumps apple juice, cookies, a drinking cup (Link)

The two leaders are expected to discuss terrorism, ending Syria's civil war, relations with Russia, NATO cooperation and a bilateral trade deal once the United Kingdom leaves the European Union, probably by 2019. Trade between the two countries is worth about $187 billion, and the United States is the largest single investor in the U.K.

Quote
Duncan Smith, who served in former prime minister David Cameron's Cabinet: "Obama appeared to spend the first four years in office forging relationships with everyone else. Now we have an opportunity to reinstate what we once had."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/01/25/may-and-trump-revive-signs-reagan-and-thatcher-relationship/96942376/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 27, 2017, 06:40:38 am
Labour’s amendments will be:

i) Allow a meaningful vote in Parliament on the final Brexit deal. Labour’s amendment would ensure that the House of Commons has the first say on any proposed deal and that the consent of Parliament would be required before the deal is referred to the European Council and Parliament.

ii) Establish a number of key principles the Government must seek to negotiate during the process, including protecting workers’ rights, securing full tariff and impediment free access to the Single Market.

iii) Ensure there is robust and regular Parliamentary scrutiny by requiring the Secretary of State to report to the House at least every two months on the progress being made on negotiations throughout the Brexit process

iv) Guarantee legal rights for EU nationals living in the UK. Labour has repeatedly called for the Government to take this step, and this amendment would ensure EU citizens’ rights are not part of the Brexit negotiations.

v) Require the Government to consult regularly with the governments in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland throughout Brexit negotiations. Labour’s amendment would put the Joint Ministerial Committee (JMC) on a statutory footing and require the UK Government to consult the JMC at least every two months.

vi) Require the Government to publish impact assessments conducted since the referendum of any new proposed trading relationship with the EU. This amendment seeks to ensure there is much greater clarity on the likely impact  of the Government’s decision to exit the Single Market and seek  new relationship with the Customs Union

vii) Ensure the Government must seek to retain all existing EU tax avoidance and evasion measures post-Brexit

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 27, 2017, 06:43:17 am
Delusional Amendments

ii) Access to the so-called "Free Market" would mean we stay inside the EU and NO BREXIT

This has been clearly and unequivocally stated by the EU. The 4 Freedoms are not negotiable, and are enshrined in the EU Treaty / Constitution.






Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on January 28, 2017, 10:57:51 am
... related: Spain's PM freaking out:

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/Mariano-Rajoy-Speaks-During-A-State-Of-Nation-Debate-640x480.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/Mariano-Rajoy-Speaks-During-A-State-Of-Nation-Debate-640x480.jpg.html)
Mariano Rajoy - Pablo Blazquez Dominguez/Getty Images

Spanish PM Warns Populist
Victories Would ‘Destroy Europe’

VIRGINIA HALE. 28 Jan 2017

Victory at the polls later this year for Alternative for Germany (AfD), or Marine Le Pen in France would be a “disaster” that would “destroy Europe”, Spain’s Prime Minister said on Thursday.

In an interview with radio station Onda Cero, Mariano Rajoy slammed populism, claiming it “serves only to create poverty and division”, and ranted against anti-mass migration and Eurosceptic movements that are growing in power across Europe.

“I don’t even want to think about it, that would be a disaster. It would simply mean the destruction of Europe,” the Peoples Party (PP) prime minister said when asked about the possibility of populists coming to power in elections due to take place this year in Germany and France.

“Mrs Le Pen has announced plans for a referendum. She wants [France] to leave Europe, as if Europe were the source of all misfortunes. I would like it if she visited the rest of the world,” he said.

Insisting that electoral victories for right wing populist parties are “not going to happen”, the PP leader went on to predict that “things will turn out alright in Germany and I am absolutely convinced there won’t be a problem in France.

"It is essential for the future of Europe that the
elections in Germany and France go well,” Rajoy added.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/28/spanish-pm-populist-destroy-europe/
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on February 05, 2017, 03:54:35 pm
“There will be no other laws and
values in France but French.”


(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/GettyImages-633908372-640x427.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/GettyImages-633908372-640x427.jpg.html)
JEFF PACHOUD/AFP/Getty Images

Le Pen:
‘We’re At A Crossroads.
This Election Is A Choice Of Civilizations’

BREITBART LONDON - 5 Feb 2017

LYON, France (AP) — French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen blasted globalization and Islamic fundamentalism in her closing speech Sunday of a two-day National Front party conference, calling them “two totalitarianisms” threatening France.

To applause and cries of “On est chez nous” (We are in our land), Le Pen served up the grand themes of the party that have made her a leader in early polls of the spring presidential election.

“We are at a crossroad….This election is a choice of civilization,” she said, asking whether her three children and other young citizens would have the rights and culture of the current generation. “Will they even speak our French language?”

Le Pen on Saturday unveiled her 144 “commitments,” a nationalist agenda that envisions a France unshackled from the European Union and NATO and that ensures work, health care and other services for its own citizens amid drastically reduced immigration.

Quote
Le Pen’s top lieutenant said earlier Sunday that Brexit and the Trump election have given the French a “reason to vote” because it can result in real change. Florian Philippot said people who thought voting “served nothing” now have proof that an alternative is possible.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/05/le-pen-crossroads-election-choice-civilizations/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on February 21, 2017, 08:44:20 am

... the frantic FRENCH extreme left globalists
continue their harassment of Le Pen:


French Police Raid Offices of Marine Le Pen
CHRIS TOMLINSON - 21 Feb 2017

French police have raided the headquarters of Front National
presidential candidate Marine Le Pen over “fake job” claims
while she is currently on a trip to Lebanon.


The raid took place Monday afternoon at the Front National (FN) headquarters in Nanterre, Hauts-de-Seine in the suburbs of Paris. the raids are part of an investigation into an alleged “fake job” given to one of Ms Le Pen’s bodyguards using European Union (EU) funds. The FN condemned the raid in a statement released shortly after the operation Le Figaro reports.

“For the second time there is a search of the same offices,
concerning the same alleged facts, which confirms that
the first search was unsuccessful,” the FN wrote.


The party added: “This is obviously a media operation whose sole purpose is to attempt to disrupt the smooth running of the presidential election campaign and to try to harm Marine Le Pen at the very moment when her candidacy has made a major breakthrough in voting intentions, especially for the second round.”

Le Pen’s chances of winning the second round have vastly improved over the past week as her main rivals Francois Fillon and Emmanual Macron are marred by scandal. Fillon is under investigation for paying his wife 500,000 euros for a job some claim never existed, while Macron was heavily criticised for calling the colonisation of Algeria a “crime against humanity.”

√ CONTINUE:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/21/french-police-raid-offices-marine-le-pen/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on February 21, 2017, 01:26:12 pm

... in Lebanon:

“You can pass on my respects to the grand mufti,
but I will not cover myself up,” she said.


Le Pen Refuses to Wear Headscarf,
Cancels Meeting With Grand Mufti

DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS - 21 Feb 2017

The leader of France’s National Front, Marine Le Pen, has opted to cancel a meeting with Lebanon’s Grand Mufti rather than wear an Islamic veil.

Ms Le Pen is in the country to meet its leaders ahead of the first round of voting in France’s Presidential elections in April, in which she is expected to top the polls. But when offered a scarf to wear to a scheduled meeting with the Sunni religious leader, the Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Latif Derian, she declined.

“I met the grand mufti of Al-Azhar,” she told reporters, referring to a 2015 visit to Cairo’s historical centre of Islamic learning. “The highest Sunni authority didn’t have this requirement, but it doesn’t matter."

Quote
Le Pen is using a two-day visit to Lebanon to bolster her foreign policy credentials, and may be partly targeting potential Franco-Lebanese votes. Many Lebanese fled to France, Lebanon’s former colonial power, during their country’s 1975-1990 civil war and became French citizens.

On Monday she met with Lebanon’s Christian President Michel Aoun – her first public handshake with a head of state – to discuss matters of mutual interest including the migrant crisis and combatting terrorism.

√ w/VIDEO: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/21/le-pen-forgoes-meeting-with-grand-mufti-rather-than-wear-islamic-veil/
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on February 25, 2017, 07:28:20 am

... watch this! About one month ago. :o

Marine Le Pen -
Eviscerates Angela Merkel & Francois Hollande

(English subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwRU8kmjKg
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 25, 2017, 02:23:47 pm
Slow walking the BrExit ... ( sounds like what Trumps up against with Turkey-McConnell/Cryin-Ryan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/25/theresa-may-facing-double-defeat-brexit-bill-lords-debate-amendments/
Theresa May facing double defeat over Brexit Bill as Lords debate amendments on EU citizens and final vote for MPs
By Ben Riley-Smith,  Assistant Political Editor 
 25 February 2017 • 12:00pm   

Theresa May is facing a double defeat over the Brexit Bill as peers from across parties back extra protections for EU citizens and a veto on the final deal. 

Labour, Liberal Democrats, cross-benchers and Tory rebels have all rallied around two amendments that would force changes on the legislation to start Brexit talks.

One change would ensure every EU citizen currently in Britain keeps the right to work and stay here, even if Britons living on the Continent lose protections.
 
The second would force ministers to get the approval of MPs and peers on the final Brexit deal before they withdraw from the EU – an effective veto.

...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on February 25, 2017, 02:50:57 pm
You have to pay to read the entire article.

Proof if you wanted it, of the media in financial retreat.

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Changeling on February 26, 2017, 07:01:03 pm
You have to pay to read the entire article.

Proof if you wanted it, of the media in financial retreat.

The ad-supported model didn't work due to the proliferation of ad-blockers. They tried putting up pop-ups requesting people white-list the site but obviously this didn't have the desired effect, so paywall it is. they have to pay for their offering somehow.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 27, 2017, 03:27:37 pm
This is interesting ... they are behaving as though there was NO VOTE ,,, like it is up to tbtb, that are globalists in the government, ie  the SLAVE HOLDERS will decide as to whether they will free THEIR SLAVES ! No the slaves did not and are not allowed to vote for their freedom !

As a descendant of the antebellum South - this sounds very familiar hmmm ... what could it be ?   Will there be EU Civil WAR?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/27/sir-john-major-warns-theresa-may-hard-brexit-could-mean-cuts/
Sir John Major launches extraordinary attack on Theresa May's government over Brexit
By Steven Swinford,  Deputy Political Editor 
 27 February 2017 • 6:00pm   

Sir John Major has launched an extraordinary attack on Theresa May's Government over Brexit and warned that leaving the EU could mean cutting the NHS and welfare state.

In his first intervention since the referendum, Sir John said Brexit is an "historic mistake" and warned Mrs May that she must not create "unreal and over-optimistic" expectations about leaving the EU.

The former Conservative Prime Minister also criticised Donald Trump, describing the new US President as "less predictable, less reliable and less attuned to our free market and socially liberal instincts than any of his predecessors".
 
Title: Re: DUTCH EXIT? Geert Wilders Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on February 28, 2017, 07:50:27 pm
"... the Quran more full of anti-Semitism than Mein Kampf ..."

Islam Is Not a Religion,
It’s a Totalitarian Ideology

DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS - 28 Feb 2017

Islam is a totalitarian ideology, not a religion, and therefore a Dutch constitutional commitment to freedom of religion shouldn’t apply to it, Geert Wilders has said.

In a wide-ranging interview recorded in January and broadcast at the weekend, the populist politician and leader of the Dutch Party for Freedom (PVV) said that although Islam has many of the trappings of religion, it shares more in common with totalitarian ideologies such as communism and fascism and should be treated as such.

Quote
“Islam as an ideology does not allow freedom. Look at almost all the countries in the world where Islam is dominant – you see a total lack of civil society, of rule of law, of freedom for journalists, women, Christians, or even somebody who wants to leave Islam, an apostate.

“You are allowed to leave Christianity or Judaism and become an atheist or the follower of another religion; you are not allowed to leave fascism, you are not allowed to leave Communism. And still today in Holland, in Germany, in the Arab world, the penalty is death if you want to leave Islam.

Wilders has proved an immensely popular candidate
and the PVV is on track to gain the most number of seats.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/28/geert-wilders-islam-not-religion-totalitarian-ideology/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on March 02, 2017, 08:05:53 am
... and in FRANCE the Globalist Machine
is manufacturing so-called 'evidence'
against Le Pen:


France's Marine Le Pen loses EU
immunity over IS atrocity tweets   

Danny KEMP - March 1, 2017

Brussels (AFP) - The European Parliament on Thursday lifted French far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen's immunity from prosecution over her tweeting of images of Islamic State atrocities. (ED: WTF?)

The move paves the way for France to pursue a case against the far right National Front leader, after prosecutors launched a probe in 2015 over the graphic pictures, which included the decapitated body of US journalist James Foley.

"The result is clear, a big majority is in favour of the lifting of immunity," acting parliament speaker Dimitrios Papadimoulis said.

The ruling is effective immediately for Le Pen, a National Front MEP, European Parliament officials told AFP.

But the decision concerns only the tweets, and not a separate probe into allegations that Le Pen misused public funds when hiring a parliamentary aide, they said.

The development is the latest twist in France's dramatic presidential election campaign, coming a day after rightwing candidate Francois Fillon vowed to continue his bid for power despite the fact he is to be charged over his own fake jobs scandal.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/frances-marine-le-pen-loses-eu-immunity-over-113239549.html
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on March 03, 2017, 04:05:10 pm
Madame Le Pen Rising!
https://www.facebook.com/pg/ViveMarineLePen/videos/

Go watch a couple of her campaign videos ... wow.

This may be my favorite
https://www.facebook.com/pg/ViveMarineLePen/videos/

Viva les Américains
https://www.facebook.com/pg/ViveMarineLePen/videos/
Title: BrExit - DEFEATED - House of Lords
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 07, 2017, 03:43:35 pm
BrExit - DEFEATED - House of Lords

/me  sulks
Title: Re: BrExit - DEFEATED - House of Lords
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 07, 2017, 03:52:00 pm
BrExit - DEFEATED - House of Lords

/me  sulks





Article 50 bill: Theresa May suffers defeat on 'meaningful vote' amendment as peers back the change by 366 to 268
Article 50 BillTheresa May suffers defeat in Lords as peers agree amendment calling for Parliament to get meaningful debate on Brexit vote
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/07/brexit-lords-vote-article-50-amendment-watch-live/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: freedom_commonsense on March 07, 2017, 03:52:42 pm
Won't make a slight bit of difference until we remove the parasites at home (the royal family and other entrenched forms of privilege, the financial "elite" in London and so on.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 07, 2017, 03:56:57 pm
/me  gnashes fangs
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Satyagraha on March 07, 2017, 04:13:30 pm
/me  gnashes fangs

Fang gnashing is better than sulking. Now let's see what happens with Frexit, Grexit...
Title: Re: BrExit - DEFEATED - House of Lords
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 07, 2017, 10:17:05 pm
Article 50 bill: Theresa May suffers defeat on 'meaningful vote' amendment as peers back the change by 366 to 268
Article 50 BillTheresa May suffers defeat in Lords as peers agree amendment calling for Parliament to get meaningful debate on Brexit vote
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/07/brexit-lords-vote-article-50-amendment-watch-live/

These people are such crap ... but they are throwing the kitchen sink now ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/07/brexit-lords-vote-article-50-amendment-watch-live/
...
Theresa May is determined to throw out the amendment when the Bill returns to the Commons for its final reading next week. She believes her hand would be significantly weakened when she begins Brexit negotiations with the EU if Parliament had the power to stop her leaving without a deal.

Mrs May’s existing proposal is that no deal is better than a bad deal, meaning she will take Britain out of the EU even if MPs reject the deal she is offered.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 08, 2017, 06:59:14 am
Timing is everything.

This morning its The Budget, so the unpleasant stories like Brexit can be swept under the carpet along with wikileaks.
Title: Mme. Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on March 08, 2017, 08:14:55 am
... center-left BLOOMBERG puts some
lipstick on the leftie French pig:


French Insurgents Thrust Establishment Aside in Crucial Vote
Gregory Viscusi - March 8, 2017

The old order is fading in France.

Every election since Charles de Gaulle founded the Fifth Republic more than half a century ago has seen at least one of the major parties in the presidential runoff and most have featured both. With Republicans and Socialists consumed by infighting and voters thoroughly fed up, polls suggest that neither will make it this year.

For the past month, survey after survey has projected a decider between Emmanuel Macron, a 39-year-old rookie who doesn’t even have a party behind him, and Marine Le Pen, who’s been ostracized throughout her career because of her party’s history of racism.

“We’ve gone as far as we can go with a certain way of doing politics,” said Brice Teinturier, head of the Ipsos polling company and author of a book on voters’ disillusionment. “Everyone feels the system is blocked.”

Quote
With Le Pen promising a rupture with the European Union and Macron seeking to renew the Franco-German partnership and reinvigorate the bloc, the decision voters reach will shape the future of the continent.

Le Pen: " ... there’s no difference between the two traditional parties anyway."

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-08/french-insurgents-thrust-establishment-aside-in-crucial-election
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: freedom_commonsense on March 08, 2017, 11:17:55 am
So big government "left" and a "right" that has ties (through Le Pen's father) to Vichy France. Lovely "choice".  ::)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 08, 2017, 11:39:31 am
So big government "left" and a "right" that has ties (through Le Pen's father) to Vichy France. Lovely "choice".  ::)

Nothin like character assassination .,.. Sins of the daddy ...
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-08/french-insurgents-thrust-establishment-aside-in-crucial-election
...
The old order is fading in France.

Every election since Charles de Gaulle founded the Fifth Republic more than half a century ago has seen at least one of the major parties in the presidential runoff and most have featured both. With Republicans and Socialists consumed by infighting and voters thoroughly fed up, polls suggest that neither will make it this year.

For the past month, survey after survey has projected a decider between Emmanuel Macron, a 39-year-old rookie who doesn’t even have a party behind him, and Marine Le Pen, who’s been ostracized throughout her career because of her party’s history of racism.
...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle_%28born_1948%29
Charles de Gaulle (born 25 September 1948 in Dijon) is a French politician. He is the eldest child of Admiral Philippe de Gaulle and grandson of General Charles de Gaulle, and served as a member of the European Parliament (MEP), from 1994 to 2004[1] (as a member of the Movement for France).

...Starting in 1998, Charles de Gaulle got closer to Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front (FN)

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2015/12/10/frances-national-front-is-overshadowed-by-fraud-issues-russian-interests/
(https://017qndpynh-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/32576866.jpeg)
“We are, at the end of the day, a European people with a white race, a Greek and Roman culture, and a Christian religion.”
Charles De Gaulle


http://www.francetvinfo.fr/politique/ump/nadine-morano/la-france-un-pays-de-race-blanche-le-general-de-gaulle-a-t-il-vraiment-tenu-ces-propos_1103469.html
....
C’est très bien qu’il y ait des Français jaunes, des Français noirs, des Français bruns. Ils montrent que la France est ouverte à toutes les races et qu’elle a une vocation universelle. Mais à condition qu’ils restent une petite minorité. Sinon, la France ne serait plus la France. Nous sommes quand même avant tout un peuple européen de race blanche, de culture grecque et latine et de religion chrétienne. Qu’on ne se raconte pas d’histoires ! Les musulmans, vous êtes allés les voir ? Vous les avez regardés avec leurs turbans et leurs djellabas ? Vous voyez bien que ce ne sont pas des Français !
Charles de Gaulle

C'était De Gaulle, Alain Peyrefitte

"It is very good that there are yellow French, black French, brown French. They show that France is open to all races and has a universal vocation. But provided they remain a small minority. Otherwise, France would no longer be France. We are nevertheless above all a European people of white race, of Greek and Latin culture and of Christian religion. Let no one tell one another's stories! Did the Muslims go to see them? You looked at them with their turbans and their djellabas? You can see that they are not Frenchmen!
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: freedom_commonsense on March 08, 2017, 02:12:02 pm
Nothin like character assassination .,.. Sins of the daddy ...

So why is this party playing identity politics all the time? What is their anti-globalist plan? Are they going to do something about the banking system? It's funny that freedom of speech came up when France has all kinds of censorship to protect Zionists (for example) from criticism, or silence opponents of government.

France also has a tradition of secularism in government, so I don't know why you're quoting something about Christianity there.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on March 08, 2017, 02:28:45 pm
I heard one parole of Gen. De Gaulle: "Europe ! Yes ! From Atlantic to Ural ! " Europe of Nations !
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on March 08, 2017, 02:54:40 pm
So why is this party playing identity politics all the time? What is their anti-globalist plan? Are they going to do something about the banking system? It's funny that freedom of speech came up when France has all kinds of censorship to protect Zionists (for example) from criticism, or silence opponents of government.

France also has a tradition of secularism in government, so I don't know why you're quoting something about Christianity there.


... we don't know all the methods that might be used
to dismantle the extremes that we all agree need to
be addressed ... leftist insanity. But we know it will
take time. Just watch the 'new' US as we try once
again to clean the 'healthcare' house, the structure
that has been in place for only seven years ... it
is a huge structure, has to be de-constructed one
board at the time, with a new board to replace ...
same idea with the behemoth international banking
structure (IMF), United Nations, World Health
Organization, Bilderberg, etc
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 10, 2017, 11:02:25 am
You know things are screwy when your best news source is Russia Today ... Oh Well ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDj11QTQel0
RT - Why Marine Le Pen is The Only Way to Save Europe #Frexit #EndEU
News From The Truth
Published on Mar 3, 2017

Marine Le Pen : "Euro is a dead man walking and Frexit is a question of time".
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 11, 2017, 10:14:38 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/11/dont-sabotage-brexit-david-davis-warns-tory-rebels/
Don't sabotage Brexit, David Davis warns Tory rebels
By Ben Riley-Smith,  Assistant Political Editor 
 11 March 2017 • 10:41pm   

David Davis has issued a last-minute warning to Tory rebels not to sabotage the Article 50 Bill amid fears any change could see Brexit end up in the courts.


Writing exclusively for the Telegraph, the Brexit Secretary says that putting promises over leaving the EU into law creates a “greater risk of legal action".

He warns that Theresa May would be negotiating with “one hand tied behind her back” if MPs approve two changes to the law proposed by Lords.
 ...
Mrs May is preparing to formally start negotiations as early as Tuesday in a landmark moment in Britain’s modern history, dubbed “independence day” by supporters.
...
However, before that can begin,
MPs must vote on Monday on whether to make two amendments to the legislation giving the Prime Minister the power to start Brexit.
Title: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 07:48:51 am
LIVE

Fake Scots Nationalist, Declare Second Referendum.
Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 07:54:39 am
LIVE

Fake Scots Nationalist, Declare Second Referendum.
[/quote

Translation : "You voted for Brexit so we will destroy the UK"
Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 07:56:01 am
Sturgeon declares she WILL call a fresh Scottish independence referendum for 2018 saying Brexit has left the union at a 'crossroads' as she blames PM for forcing her hand
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4307522/Sturgeon-s-fresh-bid-Brexit-obstacles.html


Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 07:57:13 am

LIVE: Fury as Nicola Sturgeon triggers SECOND Scottish independence referendum
NICOLA Sturgeon will trigger the second referendum process next week she has revealed but will not hold a Scottish independence vote until after Brexit negotiations are concluded.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/778449/nicola-sturgeon-speech-brexit-scottish-referendum-article-50-theresa-may

Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:04:39 am
Sturgeon announces plan for 2nd Scottish independence referendum
https://www.rt.com/uk/380507-sturgeon-brexit-scottish-independence/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on March 13, 2017, 08:05:53 am
Nicola Sturgeon Is about as usefull as the Scotish Rugby Union Team
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on March 13, 2017, 08:08:05 am
^^^

... last ditch effort ...
any chance of another vote?
Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:11:08 am
EU - Vote TWICE
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on March 13, 2017, 08:15:34 am
In my opinion bravado we are doing Brexit and its not going to be pretty
Title: Re: BrExit - - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:18:40 am
In my opinion bravado we are doing Brexit and its not going to be pretty

The SNP have never, ever, been true Nationalists.

All they want is to swap remote rule by foreigners in London, for even more remote and even more foreign rule from Brussels.
Its Fake Nationalism.


Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: Dude447 on March 13, 2017, 08:21:48 am
EU - Vote TWICE

Zee EU You Vill Vote as Ve Say . And Ve dont vont anyzee  more referendoms on leaveing zee union like zee crazy brits
Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:24:11 am
Zee EU You Vill Vote as Ve Say . And Ve dont vont anyzee  more referendoms on leaveing zee union like zee crazy brits

Zar is ze big pikture.

Ve vill have EU Army bases in Shcotland and ze Bismark vill be docked in Scarpa Flow.
Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:27:07 am
Scottish independence: Nicola Sturgeon fires starting gun on referendum
First minister to seek second vote on leaving UK, saying Theresa May has failed to move an inch over Brexit negotiations
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/13/nicola-sturgeon-fires-starting-gun-on-second-scottish-independence-referendum
Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:32:01 am
Referendums are supposed to be called over SINGLE ISSUES
This is clearly Vote on Brexit, yet the ballot paper will say vote on Independence.

I dont actually have any axe to grind with true scots nationalists, but the SNP is nothing more than a tool for foreign intelligence agencies. SNP does not want Own Currency, Own Borders, or any of the BIG things that make a country independent. Its not independence because the SNP will simply make Scotland a Vassal Province in the 4th Reich.


Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:40:22 am
Referendums are supposed to be called over SINGLE ISSUES
This is clearly Vote on Brexit, yet the ballot paper will say vote on Independence.

I dont actually have any axe to grind with true scots nationalists, but the SNP is nothing more than a tool for foreign intelligence agencies. SNP does not want Own Currency, Own Borders, or any of the BIG things that make a country independent. Its not independence because the SNP will simply make Scotland a Vassal Province in the 4th Reich.

Nicola Sturgeon would lose a second independence referendum big time - Nigel Farrage

(Twitter)
Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:42:25 am
Will the PM allow indyref2 ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39202754
Title: Re: BrExit - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:50:06 am
Will the PM allow indyref2 ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39202754

‘You’ll lose BIG TIME!’ Sturgeon SKEWERED over 'irresponsible' Scot referendum bid
NICOLA Sturgeon was warned she was heading for a “big time” defeat after announcing plans for a second Scottish referendum on independence today.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/778483/scottish-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-snp-second-vote-indyref2-scotland

Eddie Bone of the Campaign for an English Parliament accused Ms Sturgeon of having a “lust” for independence.

He said: “In her lust for Scottish independence, Nicola Sturgeon ignored that England and Scotland, although having a history of conflict, have for over 300 years worked peacefully together.

“Instead of working with the UK government and the people of England she continues to go to Brussels in an attempt to ‘curry favour’ with the EU at England’s expense.

"She is stabbing England in the back and betraying many of her fellow Scots by trying to derail Brexit.”
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 08:57:32 am
Timing
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on March 13, 2017, 09:05:31 am
At the end of the day I was born in England my mum is from Wales . I am chuffed to **** you know what about my celtic links .I love the UK all of it ,and I am never going to say sorry for my Island mentality
Title: Re: BrExit - - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 13, 2017, 09:33:14 am
The SNP do not want real independence, they want 'plastic indy'
http://www.ukip.org/the_snp_do_not_want_real_independence_they_want_plastic_indy


UKIP's Scottish MEP David Coburn: "The prospect of a second independence referendum between the Autumn of 2018 and the spring of 2019 is utterly preposterous.

"The UK will still be in negotiations with the EU at this time – the SNP seem to wish to cause maximum disruption, uncertainty and overall mayhem.

"In 2014 the Scottish people decided decisively to remain British, in 2016 less people voted to remain in the EU than voted to be British in 2014.

"The SNP want to be “in control” not at the “mercy”, have they been asleep whilst Greece has simply been bullied by the EU and when The Republic of Ireland twice voted the wrong way in a referendum and were forced to vote again courtesy of the EU.

"Scotland as an EU member would be simply insignificant in comparison to Germany and France and we would simply follow or be told how to follow.

"What the SNP are proposing for Scotland is a future of 'austerity Max". The very idea that it would be advantageous for us to leave the UK for a berth as a small but proud nation in the EU is foolish. We would be condemned to an austere damaging regime that would skip us of autonomy and and leave us open to penal austerity measures such as those imposed on other small nations.

"The SNP do not like having a Tory Government in Westminster, neither do I. But at least we have Scottish cabinet ministers and Scotland is fully represented within the chambers of Westminster.

"The EU has well over 700 MEPs at the moment, and Scotland gets only 6 – Scotland would have no huge influence what’s so ever.
The SNP do not want real independence, they want 'plastic indy'.

"They would rather be ruled from Frankfurt and Berlin rather than Edinburgh and London.
Scotland’s Education system is failing, roads are crumbling and the NHS has seen better days – therefore they must revert to these diversionary tactics."
Title: Re: BrExit - - [ CANCLED ] - Break Up of United Kingdom announced [BREAKING]
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 13, 2017, 10:49:23 am
The SNP do not want real independence, they want 'plastic indy'
http://www.ukip.org/the_snp_do_not_want_real_independence_they_want_plastic_indy...


(http://www.redantart.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/scotty.jpg)
Scotty

I was captured by the emotion of playfulness and I thought about a dog and the personality qualities I want to see in him – naughty, playful, friendly, joyful, clever and very silly. Here he is, I called him Scotty!

Original acrylic on canvas (http://www.redantart.eu/portfolio/scotty/)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on March 13, 2017, 11:03:08 am
Dog Gone
Title: Mme. Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on March 26, 2017, 09:41:15 pm

... sounds a bit like the Trump Extravaganzas:
8)

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With Month Until Vote, Populist Leader
Marine Le Pen Addresses Thousands at Lille Rally

OLIVER JJ LANE 26 Mar 2017
( Visitez le site officiel de campagne: https://www.marine2017.fr )

Le Pen said: “I want more France”.

Front National leader Marine Le Pen blasted globalism and Islamism in a major campaign rally Sunday, remarking that the European Union was destined to collapse because ordinary people were no longer interested in keeping it alive.

Speaking to a crowd of thousands in Lille Le Pen said of the European project, which celebrated its 60th birthday this week and has lurched from crisis to crisis in recent years: “The European Union will die because the people do not want it anymore… We will change for another Europe, the European idea harmed by the federalists will re-energize itself, re-invigorate itself in the Europe of the people and of … the nations”.

On her nation’s continued membership of the EU and the Euro currency union, Le Pen remarked “the French will have the last word”.

Calling for France to “reconnect with the greatness of our country”, Le Pen said the Republic would “regain her independence, the rule of law, the sweetness of freedom”.

Quote
Raising a laugh from the audience Le Pen called Macron the “Jean-Claude Van Damme of politics”, remarking “you don’t understand most of what he says, but what you do understand is frightening”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/26/with-month-until-vote-populist-leader-marine-le-pen-addresses-thousands-at-lille-rally/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 27, 2017, 09:35:43 am
Must declare Article 50 by the end of the week

April 1st - Treaty Changes
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 28, 2017, 06:51:53 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/28/theresa-may-to-call-on-britons-to-unite-as-she-triggers-article-50

Theresa May to call on Britons to unite as she triggers article 50
PM signs letter that will be hand-delivered to European council president at the same time as she addresses House of Commons

Theresa May will call on the British people to unite as she triggers article 50, beginning a two-year process that will see the UK leave the European Union and sever a political relationship that has lasted 44 years.

A letter signed by the prime minister will be hand-delivered to the president of the European council at about 12.30pm – as she rises in Westminster to deliver a statement to MPs signalling the end of the UK’s most significant diplomatic association since the end of the second world war.

May will aim to strike a note of reconciliation when she addresses the Commons, claiming this is the time for Brexiters and remainers to “come together” after holding an early morning meeting of her cabinet.

“When I sit around the negotiating table in the months ahead, I will represent every person in the whole United Kingdom – young and old, rich and poor, city, town, country and all the villages and hamlets in between. And yes, those EU nationals who have made this country their home,” she will say.
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on March 29, 2017, 03:42:26 am
About 12:30  GMT (Greenwich Mean Time)


Title: Mme. Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on March 31, 2017, 11:33:26 am
“The people have spoken and their message
is clear: the New World Order is finished.”


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Marine Le Pen Vows To Destroy New World Order
March 30, 2017 - Baxter Dmitry

Leading French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen has vowed to “destroy the New World Order” when she is elected President of France, sending a warning to European elites that she will “dismantle  their corrupt, self-serving institutions with my own two hands if I have to.“....

“The elite are not safe hiding behind their propaganda fueled media institutions, making unaccountable decisions in Brussels, and silencing citizens who speak out against this insanity. When I am President a tidal wave of revulsion will be coming their way, the likes of which has never been seen before.” According to a documentary crew, the tour group burst into spontaneous applause.

In a recent BBC interview, Marine Le Pen held her own with a hostile interviewer, and laid out her vision for reclaiming French sovereignty.

“When I am elected President, I will go to the European Union and say that I want four sovereignties back. Legislative sovereignty: our laws are more important than EU directives. Territorial sovereignty: we decide who comes and stays in our country, we want borders. Thirdly, economic and banking sovereignty: I have the right to promote economic patriotism if I so wish. And of course, monetary sovereignty.“

√ w/INTERVIEW: http://yournewswire.com/marine-le-pen-destroy-new-world-order/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 31, 2017, 11:41:24 am
This means war .... [ SATIRE ]

http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/8497-juncker-wants-bring-back-junkers-stukas-eu-luftwaffe.html
(http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Juncker-Junkers.jpg)
Juncker Wants to Bring Back Junkers Stukas For EU Luftwaffe
By Adolf Eichmann 26/06/2014 22:40:08

LUXEMBOURG – The incoming EU president, Jean-Claude Juncker, whose father fought in the Wehrmacht in World War II, has vowed to bring back the Junkers Stuka planes into EU service once he is instated.
...
Incoming EU president, Jean-Claude Juncker’s next move is the solidification of an EU army, air force and navy.

“It is imperative that the Fourth Reich is unmatched in military power.
First port of call for the new EU president Jean-Claude Juncker will be to bring back the infamous Junkers Stuka planes into service for the newly formed EU Luftwaffe.
...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Juncker
Jean-Claude Juncker (Luxembourgish pronunciation: [ʒ̊ɑ̃ːkloːd ˈjʊŋ.kɐ]; born 9 December 1954) is a Luxembourgish politician.

Since 2014, Juncker has been President of the European Commission, which is the European Union (EU) Executive Branch. From 1995 to 2013, he was the 23rd Prime Minister of Luxembourg, and from 1989 to 2009, he was the Minister for Finances. By the time he left office, he was the longest-serving head of any national government in the EU, and one of the longest-serving democratically elected leaders in the world, his tenure encompassing the height of the European financial and sovereign debt crisis.[1] From 2005 to 2013, Juncker served as the first permanent President of the Eurogroup.
...

In early November 2014, just days after becoming head of the commission, Juncker was hit by media disclosures—derived from a document leak known as LuxLeaks—that Luxembourg under his premiership had turned into a major European centre of corporate tax avoidance. With the aid of the Luxembourg government, companies transferred tax liability for many billions of euros to Luxembourg, where the income was taxed at a fraction of 1%. Juncker, who in a speech in Brussels in July 2014 promised to "try to put some morality, some ethics, into the European tax landscape", was sharply criticized following the leaks.[56] A subsequent motion of censure in the European parliament was brought against Juncker over his role in the tax avoidance schemes. The motion was defeated by a large majority.[57]

In 2017, leaked diplomatic cables show Juncker, as Luxembourg’s prime minister from 1995 until the end of 2013, blocked EU efforts to fight tax avoidance by multinational corporations. Luxembourg agreed to multinational businesses on an individualised deal basis, often at an effective rate of less than 1%.
....

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10967125/How-Nazi-slurs-and-Tory-euroscepticism-turned-Jean-Claude-Juncker-against-Britain.html
How Nazi slurs and Tory euroscepticism turned Jean-Claude Juncker against Britain
Jean-Claude Juncker, expected to formally become European Commission president today, is a pragmatic and ruthless politician with a strong motive to dislike Britain
 By Bruno Waterfield, Strasbourg

8:00AM BST 15 Jul 2014

Jean-Claude Juncker is a wily and formidable operator with a strong motive to resent Britain that is rooted in David Cameron’s campaign to stop him taking the European Union’s most powerful job.

...

 His methods, combined with Luxembourg's sometimes sinister political culture, have rung alarm bells.

Until last year, Mr Juncker dominated politics in Luxembourg for a generation, serving as prime minister for 19 years and running the Grand Duchy as a fiefdom. His regime, mirroring his own tendency to be secretive, had a dark side in the form of the Luxembourg’s sinister security services, the SREL, which holds a file on almost every resident.

He resigned last year after a bizarre scandal involving telephone tapping by Luxembourg’s intelligence service, including a conversation between him and his spy chief that was taped on a recorder disguised as a wristwatch.

There have been other revelations. Roger Mandé served as Mr Juncker’s personal chauffeur for over a decade but wanted a more glamorous career than the humdrum life of a professional driver. In 2006, Mr Mandé became a spy, joining the secret service after a personal intervention from Mr Juncker.

Many in Brussels are concerned that Mr Juncker will bring Luxembourg’s political culture with him when he comes to the commission. This is a concern because in March 1999 under the leadership of Jacques Santer, its last Luxembourger president, the commission collapsed in ignominy amid scandals over endemic corruption and nepotism.

“It is fair to say people are nervous," said an EU official.
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on April 22, 2017, 08:25:53 am

... the far left NEWSWEEK is begrudgingly giving her the nod:

“We cannot afford to lose this war,” she said Friday. “But for
the past 10 years, left-wing and right-wing governments have
done everything they can for us to lose it."


FRENCH ELECTION LATEST POLLS:
MARINE LE PEN GAINING SUPPORT AFTER PARIS SHOOTING

BY JASON LE MIERE - 4/21/17

Ahead of Sunday’s French presidential election, Marine Le Pen has received a boost in support following a shooting on Paris’ Champs- Élysées that left one policeman dead, according to an opinion poll released Friday by Odoxa.

The leader of the far-right National Front, whose campaign has been dominated by anti-Islam and anti-immigration rhetoric, moved from 22 percent to 23 percent in the poll conducted for French weekly magazine Le Point. Her three rivals for the presidency were all shown to have lost half a percentage point of support. Although centrist Emmanuel Macron remained out in front ahead of the first round of voting, he dropped back to 24.5 percent. Republican candidate François Fillon and leftist candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon, meanwhile, were back on 19 percent.

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... the pervading view is that Thursday’s events, when a gunman shot dead one policeman and wounded two others in an attack claimed by the Islamic State group, will boost Le Pen. “I think this election is sufficiently unstable that it could still move things,” Bruno Jeanbart, head of political studies at OpinonWay, told Bloomberg Thursday about the shooting. “Marine Le Pen is notably one to watch.”

http://www.newsweek.com/french-election-polls-le-pen-587826
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: EvadingGrid on April 22, 2017, 09:54:03 am
Wahhabi Terrorists running around Paris . . .
Cui Bono ?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on April 22, 2017, 10:13:03 am
Marine Le Pen vs. The World | French Presidential Election - Stefan Molyneux

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=R6pXP_IM6vw
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on April 22, 2017, 10:40:11 am
Marine Le Pen: Islamism Has Declared War On Our Nation, On Reason, On Civilisation
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/22/marine-le-pen-islamism-monstrous-totalitarian-ideology-declared-war-nation-reason-civilisation/
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Adolf Hilter on April 22, 2017, 10:49:53 am
who is changing the tread title ?

Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on April 22, 2017, 11:50:59 am
^^^

It's a sub-title ... perfectly 'legal'.  :)
Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 22, 2017, 02:32:11 pm
Marine Le Pen: Islamism Has Declared War On Our Nation, On Reason, On Civilisation
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/22/marine-le-pen-islamism-monstrous-totalitarian-ideology-declared-war-nation-reason-civilisation/

http://www.drudgereport.com
(http://www.mygen.com/images/2017/LePen_04222017.jpg)
Le Pen Panic ... 04/22/2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k_4ynxc0YQ
Mireille Mathieu - Paris en colère (1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngAidoCZlrs
PARIS en colère

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qykwuByhtI
Mireille Mathieu : Paris en Colère (1978)

http://lyricstranslate.com/en/paris-en-col%C3%A8re-angry-paris.html
English translation
Angry Paris
...

And the world trembles
When Paris is in danger

And the world sings
When Paris is freed


It's the liberty celebration
And Paris isn't angry any more
And Paris can go dancing
It has seen the light again.

After the tempest
After the fear and the cold
Paris celebrates


And Paris cries with joy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnavLCzTy4Q
Vikings Attack Paris
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on April 22, 2017, 02:51:36 pm
French election called choice between Shariah, democracy

http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/french-election-called-choice-between-shariah-democracy/


Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on April 23, 2017, 07:54:41 am
... French first round underway ... we shall see:

"More than 50,000 police and gendarmes were deployed to
the 66,000 polling stations for Sunday's election ..."


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Topless protesters target Marine Le Pen as candidates cast
their vote in the French election amid heightened terror threat
with a polling station evacuated due to a suspicious vehicle

  * A polling station in Eastern France was forced to close as bomb squad was deployed to deal with a vehicle
  * The worrying incident comes after a deadly ISIS gun attack on the Champs-Elysees in Paris on Thursday
  * Far-Right leader Marine Le Pen confident her chances of winning the election and has cast her vote in France
  * Moments earlier, six topless women were arrested outside her polling station for demonstrating in the street
    Gareth Davies - 23 April 2017

√ Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4437156/Leading-candidates-cast-votes-French-election.html#ixzz4f4oRveYV

Title: Re: FREXIT - Madame Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on April 23, 2017, 08:02:56 am
French election 2017:
Marine Le Pen leading the race as polls open

Rory Mulholland - 23 APRIL 2017

Polls have opened in the first round of France’s most unpredictable and high-stakes presidential election in decades, with far-Right leader Marine Le Pen and the maverick centrist Emmanuel Macron leading the field.

A Le Pen victory could lead to the collapse of the European Union, experts warn, but after the victory of Donald Trump in the US and the Brexit vote in the UK, most agree that there is no safe bet in the French race.

... there are just four who stand a chance of getting through to the run-off on May 7: Ms Le Pen, Mr Macron, the communist-backed firebrand Jean-Luc-Mélenchon, and the scandal-scarred conservative François Fillon.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/23/france-goes-polls-marine-le-pen-emmanuel-macron-leading-race/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 23, 2017, 10:57:03 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ydto3Iyzic
France24 LIVE (drudge had a bad link)

I find it interesting the RINO losers and never trumpers who were wrong before are still out and about spouting off and will continue to be wrong ... 

Hugh Hewitt was dragging on how he hoped Macron would be the sensible choice to win ... not le pen ....


http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/09/04/trump-slams-third-rate-radio-announcer-hugh-hewitt/
Trump Slams ‘Third-Rate Radio Announcer’ Hugh Hewitt
by Pam Key4 Sep 2015
...
 No Left Turns! • 2 years ago
Trump is showing his political smarts again.

RINO-loving azzhat Hugh Hewitt will, unfortunately, be moderating the 9/16 debate, so don't be surprised if he does his best Megyn "Candy" Kelly impression. However, I'm very glad to see that Mr. Trump is putting this bootlicker on notice.

TRUMP 2016


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right Macron is a sensible socialist ...  he is still a socialist ... ( soft communist)  posing as a "centrist" to grab more votes from stupid voters 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron
...
A member of the Socialist Party (PS) from 2006 to 2009,
...
Macron declared that he would run in the election under the banner of En Marche!, a centrist[5] movement he founded in April 2016.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on April 23, 2017, 11:06:16 am
^^^

... I wonder when the NeverLePen-ers are gonna
come on and tell us about how she is a 'tool of
the globalists' and owned by Goldman Sachs?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 23, 2017, 11:13:10 am
I find myself praying like I did for Trump and for Br-Exit votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ydto3Iyzic
France24 LIVE (drudge had a bad link)

Oh then Bo got in the act a few days ago :

http://www.france24.com/en/20170420-obama-makes-friendly-call-french-presidential-hopeful-macron-hint-election
   Emmanuel Macron
    USA

Does Obama's 'friendly call' hint at support for centrist Macron in French poll?
Text by NEWS WIRES

Latest update : 2017-04-21
French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron spoke with former U.S. president Barack Obama on the phone on Thursday, in an apparent sign of support just three days before the first round of an uncertain presidential election.

Macron said Obama wanted to exchange views about the French presidential campaign and that the ex-president had stressed how important the relationship between the two countries was.

"Emmanuel Macron warmly thanked Barack Obama for his friendly call," Macron's party "En Marche!" said in a statement.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on April 23, 2017, 01:16:07 pm
Exit Polls say: Macron and LePen in runoff

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/23/live-wire-france-votes/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on April 23, 2017, 02:14:16 pm
LE PEN, MACRON ADVANCE: MAINSTREAM PARTIES ELIMINATED, RULING SOCIALIST PARTY FINISHES 5TH - Upheaval: Establishment parties in France ELIMINATED in first round

https://www.infowars.com/le-pen-macron-advance-mainstream-parties-eliminated-ruling-socialist-party-finishes-5th/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 23, 2017, 02:39:07 pm
LE PEN, MACRON ADVANCE: MAINSTREAM PARTIES ELIMINATED, RULING SOCIALIST PARTY FINISHES 5TH - Upheaval: Establishment parties in France ELIMINATED in first round

https://www.infowars.com/le-pen-macron-advance-mainstream-parties-eliminated-ruling-socialist-party-finishes-5th/

Globalist controlling parties ANOTHER [email protected]! EPIC FAIL ...

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/08/war-between-globalists-and-populists.html
(http://www.strategic-culture.org/images/news/2016/12/08/or-38308.jpg)


Wayne MADSEN | 08.12.2016 | OPINION

The War Between Globalists and Populists

As much as the pro-globalism pundits and opinion makers, many of whom masquerade as journalists, hate to admit it, the neo-Cold War nurtured by Barack Obama, Francois Hollande, David Cameron, Angela Merkel, and Matteo Renzi – is now over. The new war is between the forces of globalism and populism. The end game for the globalists is a unipolar world in which the decisions are formulated in Washington with the bureaucracies in Brussels, London, The Hague, and Berlin acting as the implementers. Although the corporate media has reluctantly re-branded them from «far-right» to «populists», the political forces that are opposed to globalism are fighting for a multipolar world where national sovereignty, majority cultural and religious rights and customs, and domestic industrial protection rule the day.
...

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Title: Mme. Le Pen Rising
Post by: Jackson Holly on April 23, 2017, 08:08:47 pm
... globalists continue to use the same
old playbook straight outa DC ...


French Politicians Make Desperate Call
To Block Le Pen Presidency

JACOB BOJESSON - 04/23/2017

PARIS — French politicians urged their supporters to stop populist
Marine Le Pen from becoming president after the election results posted Sunday.


Le Pen and centrist Emmanuel Macron will move on to a run-off election May 7, according to early exit polls. Conservative Francois Fillon finished third and conceded shortly after the first results were announced.

Fillon urged his supporters to back Macron in the run-off election, as Le Pen would divide the country.

“There’s no choice but to vote against extremism,”
Fillon said in his concession speech.


Outgoing President Francois Hollande has previously made it
clear that he will vote for any candidate going up against Le Pen. (Ed: NEVER LE PEN!)

√ Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/23/french-politicians-make-desperate-call-to-block-le-pen-presidency/#ixzz4f7nNkpyW
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on April 24, 2017, 06:48:43 am
President Macron
Beware the next President of France will be Macron
By EvadingGrid

http://forum.globalgulag.com/index.php?topic=850.0

Title: Re: Mme. Le Pen Rising
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 24, 2017, 11:05:11 am
If I hear  " the centrist Emmanuel Macron and far-right leader Marine Le Pen " 
( which seems to be in print across publications like a cookie cutter fashion in numerous articles ) one  more time

I will scream .. damn,  looks like I'll be doing a lot of screaming

I challenge you to find a truly positive Le Pen news article ...

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on April 24, 2017, 01:03:48 pm
Delingpole: Manchurian Candidate Macron Is France’s Obama

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/24/delingpole-manchurian-candidate-macron-frances-obama/

Quote
Macron left the Commission, which was shelved September 2010, to work for Rothschilds & Cie Banque where he became an overnight millionaire while working the Nestle acquisition of Pfizer’s nutritional outlet, which closed in 2012.   Nestle is a client of Rothschilds.  Macron had no experience in acquisitions and mergers whatsoever…


Just another globalist, banker hack deceiving the public! Dont fall for it ,France!
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on April 24, 2017, 01:12:30 pm
LE PEN: ‘IT IS TIME TO FREE THE FRENCH PEOPLE’ - Patriots will battle globalists for future of France and EU

https://www.infowars.com/le-pen-it-is-time-to-free-the-french-people/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on April 25, 2017, 01:21:43 pm
NIGEL FARAGE: ‘EMMANUEL MACRON IS THE ENEMY’ - French election is referendum on globalism, says Brexit mastermind

https://www.infowars.com/nigel-farage-emmanuel-macron-is-the-enemy/
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 25, 2017, 01:28:42 pm
NIGEL FARAGE: ‘EMMANUEL MACRON IS THE ENEMY’ - French election is referendum on globalism, says Brexit mastermind

https://www.infowars.com/nigel-farage-emmanuel-macron-is-the-enemy/

interesting comments  section  ... check it out ...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Adolf Hilter on April 25, 2017, 01:40:50 pm
(http://static.infowars.com/ppcomforum/Themes/default/images/bbc/img.gif)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: jofortruth on April 25, 2017, 01:54:26 pm
Macron just another Bilderberger Elite Globalist Rothschild whipping boy pretending to be for the people

Emmanuel Macron, le candidat du groupe Bilderberg et de l'Institut Montaigne
http://yetiblog.org/index.php?post/2181

http://www.panamza.com/260814-macron-usa/


Millennial Man: How Emmanuel Macron is charming France's globalised youth
http://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/02/millennial-man-how-emmanuel-macron-charming-frances-globalised-youth
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Adolf Hilter on April 25, 2017, 03:01:34 pm
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Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 28, 2017, 03:30:20 pm
https://www.infowars.com/merkel-threatens-uk-over-brexit/
Merkel Threatens UK Over Brexit

EU vindictive against anyone who supported Brexit
Kit Daniels | Infowars.com -  April 28, 2017

German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned the UK it would not be granted the same rights as other EU nations once Brexit is finalized.

Delivering a speech hours after British Prime Minister Theresa May commented that she wants a “deep and special relationship” with the EU, Merkel warned on Wednesday that the UK should not be fooled into thinking that it will have a prosperous future relationship with the bloc.

“A third state, and that’s what Britain will be, cannot and will not have at its disposal the same rights…as members of the European Union,” Merkel said. “We can only do an agreement on the future relationship with Britain when all questions about its exit have been cleared up satisfactorily.”
...
EU chief Jean-Claude Juncker has repeatedly called on his colleagues to financially and culturally punish Britain for leaving the EU, even going as far to say that other member states will be too scared to leave the bloc after it makes an example out of Britain.

“A third country cannot have the same benefits as member states,” he said earlier this month. “This parliament must and will ensure this reality is fully upheld over the course of the next two years.”
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 01, 2017, 02:09:38 pm
The Empire Strikes Back !!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/01/seven-things-learned-theresa-mays-tense-downing-street-meeting/
Seven things we learned from Theresa May's tense Downing Street meeting with Jean-Claude Juncker
By Steven Swinford,  Deputy Political Editor 
 1 May 2017 • 11:37am   

Details of a tense meeting between Theresa May and Jean Claude-Juncker in Downing Street have been published in a German newspaper

The European Union thinks talks are doomed to failure

EU officials warned after the meeting that it is now "more likely than not" that Brexit talks will fail after the tense meeting between Mrs May and Mr Juncker. The report suggests that Mr Juncker wants Britain to wake up to the "harsh realities" of Brexit.

...

'Brexit  cannot be a success'

Mrs May told the EU's delegates at the meal: "Let us make Brexit a success'. The EU's delegates, however, suggested that this was "rose-tinted" with Jean Claude-Juncker insisting: "This cannot be a success."

Mrs May appeared "surprised by this", the report suggested, highlighting how the UK successfully secured opt-outs from EU legislation on Justice and Home Affairs.
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on May 30, 2017, 04:41:42 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/revealed-jeremy-corbyns-leaked-plan-allow-thousands-unskilled/
Revealed: Jeremy Corbyn's leaked plan to allow thousands of unskilled workers into the UK after Brexit


Jeremy Corbyn Credit: PA 
 

By Kate McCann,  Senior Political Correspondent 
 30 May 2017 • 10:00pm   

Labour has drawn up a secret plan to allow thousands of unskilled migrants to enter the UK after Brexit, leaked documents seen by the Daily Telegraph have revealed.

Jeremy Corbyn's party is considering bringing back a scrapped visa scheme which would allow unskilled labourers to move to the UK and compete with British workers for jobs - including seasonal work on farms and in factories.

The policy paper also sets out plans for a green card scheme and admits Labour does not consider cutting net migration a priority.
 ...
Title: EuExit - 2017
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 02, 2017, 09:25:35 am
I believe we hit a nerve .... hmmm ...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/812190/donald-trump-paris-climate-deal-agreement-speech-germany-angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron
DONALD Trump's decision to pull out of the Paris climate deal has not gone down well in Germany, if this tabloid’s choice of words is anything to go by.
By Sofia Petkar
PUBLISHED: 09:15, Fri, Jun 2, 2017 | UPDATED: 13:44, Fri, Jun 2, 2017
...
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/TRUMP-PARIS-CLIMATE-DEAL-GERMAN-PAPER-812190.jpg)
...
German chancellor Angela Merkel was joined by French President Emmanuel Macron and Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni in condemning President Trump’s decision to back out of the climate agreement, which is made up of nearly 200 countries.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 09, 2017, 10:49:34 am
So May is sabotaged by Jihadi attacks right up to the s-election ...  hmmm ...

http://www.drudgereport.com

Defiant May vows to stay on...
Young Take Revenge on Old as Divided Britain Upends Politics...
World media mocks Theresa after election botch...
BBC reporter drops C-bomb live on air...
Pollsters Survey What's Wrong With Polls...
CORBYN: Firebrand symbol of Britain's resurgent left...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB4MTV2XUAMd_R6.jpg)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on June 11, 2017, 09:53:10 am
Will Boris fill the void ? ? ?
I don't know why , But I like Boris ... Maybe 'cause his name is Boris ...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4592016/Boris-set-launch-bid-PM-clings-on.html
Boris bids to be PM: Johnson team circles wounded Theresa May as she's forced to sacrifice key aides to keep her job as Tory leader

    Last night was 'go-go-go' for Mr Johnson's leadership push, a close ally said
    But the Foreign Secretary will not take any action while Theresa May remains
    MoS poll found that 41 per cent of all voters want Mrs May to resign immediately

By Glen Owen and Brendan Carlin for The Mail on Sunday
Published: 17:00 EDT, 10 June 2017 | Updated: 08:37 EDT, 11 June 2017

Boris Johnson is preparing a new bid to become Prime Minister as Theresa May’s grip on No 10 becomes increasingly fragile.

A close ally of the Foreign Secretary said last night it was ‘go-go-go’ for Mr Johnson’s leadership push, adding: ‘We need Bojo. We need a Brexiteer. We need somebody who can talk and connect with people like Jeremy Corbyn does. We need someone who can make Britain believe in itself again.’

Mr Johnson’s supporters are being careful to say that he will not take any action while Mrs May remains in No 10 – but the fact that his allies are actively briefing about his virtues will be seen in Downing Street as destabilising.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4592016/Boris-set-launch-bid-PM-clings-on.html#ixzz4jhoQh7oq
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Oh and Nigel Farage is going back  for UKIP :

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-ukip-leader-return-considering-paul-nuttall-resignation-thinking-about-a7783951.html
Nigel Farage says he is 'thinking about' returning as Ukip leader after Paul Nuttall's resignation
Mr Nuttall said he was standing down as leader within hours of Ukip's disastrous election performance

    Katie Forster     @katieforster     17 hours ago

Nigel Farage has said he is considering returning as Ukip leader after Paul Nuttall's resignation.

When asked whether he was contemplating taking on the position, the Brexiteer, who led the party until just after the EU referendum, told the BBC: "I'm thinking about it."

"It's not top of my bucket list. For me, getting the referendum, forcing the referendum and helping to win it, I thought I was done with it," he said.
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on July 01, 2017, 04:49:41 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/01/theresa-may-could-storm-brexit-talks-divorce-bill/
Theresa May could storm out of Brexit talks over the “divorce bill”
By Peter Foster,  Europe Editor  and
 Ben Riley-Smith,  Assistant Political Editor 
 1 July 2017 • 9:30pm   

Number 10 has told business leaders that Theresa May could storm out of Brexit talks over the “divorce bill”, The Telegraph can reveal.

A senior Downing Street figure briefed industry and City bosses to prepare for the Prime Minister walking away from negotiations in September.

The move would be designed for “domestic consumption” to show Mrs May was playing tough over the €100 billion (£87.7 billion) some EU figures want the UK to pay before leaving.

The briefing took place at a point after the general election was held last month and the figure has since left in the recent overhaul of Downing Street.
,...

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/what-do-we-know-about-britains-brexit-divorce-bill
What do we know about Britain's Brexit divorce bill?
 
How much does Britain owe the EU, why does the figure keep changing and can the UK get away with paying nothing at all?
...

Theresa May incensed EU negotiators, including Jean-Claude Juncker, by suggesting that the UK might owe nothing at all. Photograph: Andy Rain/EPA

Dan Roberts Brexit policy editor

 
@RobertsDan
  Wednesday 3 May 2017 07.56 EDT  Last modified on Friday 16 June 2017 03.04 EDT 
 

So how much does Britain owe the EU?

Somewhere between zero and €100bn (£84bn) is probably the only accurate answer at the moment. The former is what some British ministers still argue for, drawing succour from an influential House of Lords report that suggests any liability arising on leaving the EU is not legally enforceable because the UK will have left.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 01, 2017, 05:40:19 pm
I have not had time to write this up and document it properly.

BUT....
The toerag I warned about here [British Election] - Through the Looking Glass - Tweedle Dum or Tweedle Dee ? (http://forum.globalgulag.com/index.php?topic=1374.0) crawled out of his rat hole to lead the Rebellion Vote against Brexit.

"The Real Plan B is to have a coup, then install the annointed minion and puppet Chuka Uma."

Yes the minion of Peter Mandelson, Blair/Obama Clone - Chuka Uma. led the Bilderberg sponsored anti-brexit vote.
Of course they lost the vote, this time...

Sorry been to busy to give it a proper write up yet.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on July 08, 2017, 06:16:04 am
Dear me. Chuka Umunna? Talk about a fake, metro Blairite champagne socialist.  That would likely be a huge blessing for the Tories. Which is fine for me while Brexit is still underway. I don't vote for them but they at least have hardliners in the party who can't stand the EU. I just want us to be as far away from EU membership as humanly possible by the time of the next election.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on July 08, 2017, 04:12:25 pm
What Stan said
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 08, 2017, 04:45:00 pm
I am angry, very angry.
The only pure Brexiteer and Truther is Jeremy Corbyn.

We should support anyone who is a Brexiteer.
Some traitors think the Left v Right is more important.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on July 08, 2017, 04:56:00 pm
Jeremy Corbyn is brexit apart from that being BS  every socialist marxist in the UK  has been triggered by that satement
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 08, 2017, 05:11:09 pm
Jeremy Corbyn is brexit apart from that being BS  every socialist marxist in the UK  has been triggered by that satement


Corbyn thinks 9/11 was an inside job, the war on terror is a hoax, and that the EU is a 4th Reich.

But he is a socialist.....

Which is more important ?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on July 08, 2017, 05:22:42 pm
Corbyn thinks 9/11 was an inside job so what does not make him a brexit supporter
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 08, 2017, 05:41:05 pm
Corbyn thinks 9/11 was an inside job so what does not make him a brexit supporter

Which is more important, Left v Right or Country ?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on July 08, 2017, 05:50:21 pm
now your going out on a limb EG
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 08, 2017, 05:57:50 pm
now your going out on a limb EG

Brexit is bigger than petty party politics.

At least that is my take.

Paul Joseph Watson thinks other wise.

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 08, 2017, 06:05:58 pm
now your going out on a limb EG

Does he concede that the whole basis of the Maastricht treaty is the establishment of a European central bank which is staffed by bankers, independent of national Governments and national economic policies, and whose sole policy is the maintenance of price stability? That will undermine any social objective that any Labour Government in the United Kingdom—or any other Government—would wish to carry out. Does my hon. Friend recognise that the imposition of a bankers' Europe on the people of this continent will endanger the cause of socialism in the United Kingdom and in any other country?

Jeremy Corbyn.

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 08, 2017, 06:06:57 pm
now your going out on a limb EG

My hon. Friend is right in saying that the Bank of England has often operated against the interests of Labour Governments. That is due to the mandarins who run it. If the hon. Gentleman has such doubts about the running of a bank which theoretically is state-owned and state-controlled, what influence does he think will be possible in the case of an independent central bank dedicated to a course of Euro-monetarism?

Jeremy Corbyn
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on July 08, 2017, 06:13:04 pm
i  agree with  Watson on a lot of things even that asshole Robison
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on July 08, 2017, 06:36:29 pm
All  Corbyn  did was tell a lot of middle class universerty  kids no tax for you
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 08, 2017, 06:36:58 pm
If my hon. Friend is now envisaging the establishment of a federal Europe, will he not reflect that the Maastricht treaty does not take us in the direction of the checks and balances contained in the American federal constitution? It takes us in the opposite direction of an unelected legislative body—the Commission—and, in the case of foreign policy, a policy Commission that will be, in effect, imposing foreign policy on nation states that have fought for their own democratic accountability.

Q.E.D.


And I will ask for one final time...........

Party (Tory) OR Brexit ?
Choose.



Me I'd vote for Brexit every time.
You must choose.


There can be only one
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on July 08, 2017, 06:38:09 pm
Its  BS  everyday
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 08, 2017, 06:53:35 pm
Its  BS  everyday

Simple question . . .

BREIXT or Tory ?
Country or Party ?


Humour me, answer....

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Dude447 on July 08, 2017, 07:01:05 pm
Simple question . . .

BREIXT or Tory ?
Country or Party ?


Humour me, answer....

There you go Loaded question
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 08, 2017, 07:09:32 pm
There you go Loaded question

I do agree.
It is a loaded question.

BUT : Its not my fault, that is the current situation.
Let me be clear, I am not endorsing 1980s militant socialist politics.

The bottom line, for me is BREXIT.

Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on July 09, 2017, 03:46:45 pm
For educational discussion

My understanding is that technically its not a loaded question because it does not contain the logical fallacy requirement.
I'm flexible on this because althought the above is true, I think its a good textbook example of a simple loaded question.

Its just not weaponized with a logical fallacy component.

Hence, I described it as "simple".
The key thing is you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

But in my book, "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't" is a practical working everyday definition.

And lastly, I did not create a paradox, the question simply reflects the "Through The Looking Glass" world we live in.

No worries.


Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Stan on July 21, 2017, 07:42:09 pm
Corbyn is clearly a Bennite but the Labour Party itself is very pro-EU. Even many of Corbyn's allies. Theresa May, on the other hand, is a remainer but she's still allowed (and even expected) to be full throated on Brexit. It's far from an ideal choice, as you say. I'm not sure yet whether there's a right or wrong answer so I think everyone's just got to use their best judgment and hope it works out.

I'm also not as convinced as others that there'll be another general election before Article 50 expires so we may not have to face this horrible choice if we're lucky.

Another thing that worries me about Labour is not so much their general socialistic policies, but the derangement of their supporters. Even left-wing polling analysts found this to be a problem for them in 2015. The public are very concerned about handing these children state power. It's mentioned often but the Momentum crowd are the reason Farage needed to have bodyguards and are likely the reason you never see him with his kids.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 19, 2018, 02:21:32 pm

 What is going to happen is the UK is going to leave the European Union.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/19/theresa-may-hints-would-now-vote-stay-eu-tells-french-proud/
Theresa May hints she would now vote to stay in the EU
By Christopher Hope,  Chief Political Correspondent 
 19 January 2018 • 4:09pm

New doubts have emerged about Theresa May’s commitment to Brexit after she suggested she would vote Remain if an EU referendum were held today and boasts of being a “European”.

The Prime Minister was challenged in an interview with French television on how she would vote if a European Union referendum were held today.

Asked “how you would vote on Brexit", she initially said “I didn’t say how I would vote”.

But then said: “If a vote was to come up, I would do what I did last time round which was sit down and look carefully at the issues.

“But there isn’t going to be another vote, so this is not an issue. What is going to happen is the UK is going to leave the European Union.”
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 06, 2018, 12:46:14 pm
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/938502/brexit-news-boris-johnson-one-year-countdown-uk-eu-exit
One Year to Brexit: 65% say NO to second referendum as Boris hails countdown to FREEDOM
BORIS Johnson has declared that Brexit has become "an unstoppable express" as an opinion poll shows that nearly two thirds of voters now want the EU referendum result to be honoured in full.
By Macer Hall
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Thu, Mar 29, 2018 | UPDATED: 10:24, Thu, Mar 29, 2018

Writing for the Daily Express, the Foreign Secretary hails the “glorious” future ahead when the country quits the EU one year from today.

“Our national journey out of the EU is almost over - and a glorious view awaits,” Boris Johnson says.

His upbeat assessment of the came as an exclusive ComRes survey for the Daily Express tonight showed 68% of Britons think that those who voted against quitting the EU "should respect the majority" for leave.

Even four in ten people (38%) who voted Remain in the 2016 referendum now agree that the Leave vote should be respected, according to the poll commissioned to mark one year to go until the UK formally leaves the EU.

And total of 65% of voters in the survey did not want a second referendum on Britain's membership of the bloc, the online survey of more than 2,000 adults found.

In his exclusive article for the Express, Mr Johnson says: “It’s exactly a year from today that Britain will be out of the European Union and re-engaging with the rest of the world.”

(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/brexit-news-boris-johnson-one-year-countdown-uk-eu-exit-938502.jpg)
...

He adds: “Like an unstoppable express, we are heading for Brexit and frankly my friends, we can’t arrive soon enough.”

The massive 68% support for the Government getting on with delivering Brexit in the Daily Express/ComRes poll compares with 52% who voted for Leave and 48% for Remain in the in-or-out EU referendum in 2016.

Britons are now overwhelmingly optimistic about the country's prospects for "taking back control" of domestic policy making after the country quitting the EU, the ComRes survey said
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Al Bundy on April 06, 2018, 01:53:39 pm
I think the Great Britain do not get out from EU in 2018.
Why?
Ask British PM Theresa May and FS Boris Johnson because they do not shrink of evidence that Russia poisoned spy Skripal.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on July 23, 2018, 12:07:30 pm
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/07/23/poll-brits-overwhelmingly-reject-tory-soft-brexit/
POLL: Brits Overwhelmingly Reject Tory ?Soft Brexit?
23 Jul 2018

The British public is overwhelmingly opposed to the Prime Minister?s plan for a ?soft? Brexit and almost a third of voters are prepared to back a new, right-wing party committed to a clean Brexit, a poll shows.

Theresa May?s Chequers Brexit plan will keep the United Kingdom tied to all the bloc?s goods rules, severely limiting the nation?s ability to control trade policy, and reports suggest she could also retreat on migration, allowing ?Free Movement by another name?.

The survey, conducted by YouGov for The Sunday Times newspaper, shows only a tenth would pick the plan if there were a second referendum and nearly half think it would be bad for the nation.
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on July 29, 2018, 03:21:26 pm
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/army-on-standby-for-no-deal-brexit-emergency-dz3359lrf
Army on standby for no-deal Brexit emergency
Tim Shipman, Political Editor
July 29 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

Ministers have drawn up plans to send in the army to deliver food, medicines and fuel in the event of shortages if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal.

Blueprints for the armed forces to assist the civilian authorities, usually used only in civil emergencies, have been dusted down as part of the ?no deal? planning.

Helicopters and army trucks would be used to ferry supplies to vulnerable people outside the southeast who were struggling to obtain the medicines they needed.
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jacob Law on July 29, 2018, 07:03:34 pm
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/army-on-standby-for-no-deal-brexit-emergency-dz3359lrf
Army on standby for no-deal Brexit emergency
Tim Shipman, Political Editor
July 29 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

Ministers have drawn up plans to send in the army to deliver food, medicines and fuel in the event of shortages if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal.

Blueprints for the armed forces to assist the civilian authorities, usually used only in civil emergencies, have been dusted down as part of the ?no deal? planning.

Helicopters and army trucks would be used to ferry supplies to vulnerable people outside the southeast who were struggling to obtain the medicines they needed.
...

If you don't like the outcome keep counting or voting until you do!
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on August 11, 2018, 05:46:12 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA
John Cleese on Brexit, newspapers and why he's leaving the UK - BBC Newsnight
Published on Jul 10, 2018

Watch the full interview between John Cleese and Emily Maitlis where the Monty Python star explains why newspapers have driven him to the Caribbean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmDcBLomTCI
Why John Cleese is leaving the UK | Jack Buckby
Rebel Media
Published on Jul 11, 2018

Jack Buckby of TheRebel.media: I?ll be sad to see him go, but I can?t say I blame him.
https://www.therebel.media/john_cleese_is_leaving_the_uk_sick_of_lying_press
John Cleese is leaving the UK, sick of lying press

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Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on August 21, 2018, 09:10:08 am
Leave Means Leave

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/18/nigel-farage-hits-out-at-mps-as-he-joins-forces-with-hard-brexit-group
Nigel Farage hits out at MPs as he joins forces with hard Brexit group

Controversial MEP links up with Leave Means Leave to fight Theresa May?s Brexit plan

Former Ukip leader Nigel Farage is to lend his support to a hard-Brexit campaign group, he has said.

Farage accused MPs and the Lords of refusing to enact the result of the 2016 EU referendum and said he would join forces with the property tycoon Richard Tice to argue against Theresa May?s proposed Brexit deal.

Farage has backed the Leave Means Leave campaign Tice runs with John Longworth, the former head of the British Chambers of Commerce.

?I have spent some time in the last week with Messrs Tice and Longworth. They have told me they intend to hold a series of public events throughout Britain to promote their message and help represent the views of Brexiteers,? Farage wrote in the Daily Telegraph on Saturday.

...

Farage claimed that, since electors were asked to vote in the EU referendum 2016, ?there has been virtually no input from the people at all apart from at the 2017 general election?.

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http://www.leavemeansleave.eu/


Brexit Countdown :
220Days 08Hours 50Minutes 59Seconds


17.4 million people voted for the UK to leave the European Union ? the largest democratic mandate in the history of British politics. Their wishes must be respected. That means we must regain control of our borders, our laws and our money. Unequivocally, Leave means leaving the Single Market, leaving the customs union and UK courts no longer being subservient to the European Court of Justice.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on September 09, 2018, 01:22:23 pm
I'm still digging on Boris !

https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/09/boris-johnson-says-theresa-may-is-wrapping-a-suicide-vest-around-britain-over-brexit-7927543/
Boris Johnson says Theresa May is 'wrapping a suicide vest around Britain' with Brexit plan
Tom Herbert
Sunday 9 Sep 2018 9:36 am
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/sei_25085546-b53e.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C359)
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Writing in the Mail on Sunday, Mr Johnson lashed out at the Northern Ireland ?backstop,? aimed at making sure there is no hard border with Ireland.

He said: 'We have opened ourselves to perpetual political blackmail. We have wrapped a suicide vest around the British constitution ' and handed the detonator to Michel Barnier.

'We have given him a jemmy with which Brussels can choose ' at any time ' to crack apart the union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.'

Under the EU's version of the exit plan, if no trade deal with the UK resolved the issue of the border problem, Northern Ireland would effectively remain part of the single market.

Mr Johnson added: 'At every stage in the talks so far, Brussels gets what Brussels wants.'
...
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on October 21, 2018, 02:38:41 pm
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-21/martin-armstrong-blasts-brainwashed-masses-calling-2nd-brexit-referendum

Martin Armstrong Blasts "Brainwashed Masses" Calling For 2nd Brexit Referendum
Of course, these people are just brainwashed
.
by Tyler Durden
Sun, 10/21/2018 - 14:35

As many as 670,000 people protested in London to call for a second Brexit referendum.
...

They are completely ignorant of the fact that remaining in the EU will be the death of Britain. They listen to the likes of Tony Blair and other politicians who get huge pensions from the EU. These protesters are really too stupid to understand what they are protesting for and they are just pawns in a game for corrupt politicians.

The economic growth of Britain has steadily declined ever since joining the EU.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: Jackson Holly on October 22, 2018, 06:03:05 am
^^^^

... sounds about right for muslim-run Londonistan.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 16, 2018, 12:40:58 pm
May tries deal to become a non-voting member of the EU and pay 40 billion pounds subsidy and calls it a deal 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF50ZfNajHA
The Truth About Brexit (2018)
Published on Nov 15, 2018

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Brexit news: Brexiteers told to DITCH plans to oust May ? Austrian PM Kurz | UK | News
Published On: Fri, Nov 16th, 2018

Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz joined EU leaders in sending warning shots to revolting Brexiteers that they will get no better Brexit deal than the one already agreed between the Prime Minister and European Commission. The firebrand leader, who currently holds the EU?s rotating presidency, told reporters the current draft proposals prevent a no-deal Brexit ? which will hurt the UK more than it would the EU. He said: ?I very much hope that in Great Britain there will be support for the deal that was agreed on between Great Britain and the chief negotiator Michel Barnier.

?It is a good deal for both sides, nobody has been cheated.

?This deal prevents a hard Brexit. Therefore it helps us in Europe, but even more so it helps GB because a hard Brexit would hit GB significantly more severely.
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Title: Top 40 Horrors - small print of Theresa May?s Brexit "deal"
Post by: EvadingGrid on November 17, 2018, 10:36:15 am

The Spectator
The top 40 horrors lurking in the small print of Theresa May?s Brexit deal
By Steerpike
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/the-top-40-horrors-lurking-in-the-small-print-of-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/

This week, Theresa May?s government teetered on the point of collapse over her proposed Brexit deal. The withdrawal agreement between the UK and Brussels led to Dominic Raab and Esther McVey resigning in protest. However, May?s remaining ministers have since attempted to rally around her at least in the short term. Speaking on Friday, Liam Fox ? the International Trade Secretary ? gave a speech in which he declared ?a deal is better than no deal?. This is rather different to May?s old claim that ?no deal is better than a bad deal?.

So, is Fox right? Mr S thought it best to let readers decide for themselves. In theory, Britain is leaving the EU on 29 March 2019. But the legal small print, published by Brussels, shows what this means. Parliament will be asked to ratify a deal which clearly admits that ?all references to ?Member States? and competent authorities of Member States?shall be read as including the United Kingdom.? (Article 7). So the UK will be bound by EU laws, at least during a transition period. But this ?transition period? can be be made to last forever (Article 132).  And even if a successor deal is agreed, the UK will have signed away other rights for years to come.

Just in case readers don?t have the time to go through the lengthly document themselves, Steerpike has compiled a list of the top 40 horrors lurking in the small print of Theresa May?s Brexit deal:

In summary: The supposed ?transition period? could last indefinitely or, more specifically, to an undefined date sometime this century (?up to 31 December 20XX?, Art. 132). So while this Agreement covers what the government is calling Brexit, what we in fact get is: ?transition? + extension indefinitely (by however many years we are willing to pay for) + all of those extra years from the ?plus 8 years? articles.

Should it end within two years, as May hopes, the UK will still be signed up to clauses keeping us under certain rules (like VAT and ECJ supervision) for a further eight years. Some clauses have, quite literally, a ?lifetime? duration (Art.39). If the UK defaults on transition, we go in to the backstop with the Customs Union and, realistically, the single market. We can only leave the transition positively with a deal. But we sign away the money. So the EU has no need to give us a deal, and certainly no incentive to make the one they offered ?better? than the backstop. The European Court of Justice remains sovereign, as repeatedly stipulated. Perhaps most damagingly of all, we agree to sign away the rights we would have, under international law, to unilaterally walk away. Again, what follows relates (in most part) for the ?transition? period. But the language is consistent with the E.U. imagining that this will be the final deal.

The top 40 horrors:

1 From the offset, we should note that this is an EU text, not a UK or international text. This has one source. The Brexit agreement is written in Brussels.

2 May says her deal means the UK leaves the EU next March. The Withdrawal Agreement makes a mockery of this. ?All references to Member States and competent authorities of Member States?shall be read as including the United Kingdom.? (Art 6). Not quite what most people understand by Brexit. It goes on to spell out that the UK will be in the EU but without any MEPs, a commissioner or ECJ judges. We are effectively a Member State, but we are excused ? or, more accurately, excluded ? from attending summits. (Article 7)

3 The European Court of Justice is decreed to be our highest court, governing the entire Agreement ? Art. 4. stipulates that both citizens and resident companies can use it. Art 4.2 orders our courts to recognise this. ?If the European Commission considers that the United Kingdom has failed to fulfil an obligation under the Treaties or under Part Four of this Agreement before the end of the transition period, the European Commission may, within 4 years after the end of the transition period, bring the matter before the Court of Justice of the European Union?. (Art. 87)

4 The jurisdiction of the ECJ will last until eight years after the end of the transition period. (Article 158).

5 The UK will still be bound by any future changes to EU law in which it will have no say, not to mention having to comply with current law. (Article 6(2))

6 Any disputes under the Agreement will be decided by EU law only ? one of the most dangerous provisions. (Article 168). This cuts the UK off from International Law, something we?d never do with any foreign body. Arbitration will be governed by the existing procedural rules of the EU law ? this is not arbitration as we would commonly understand it (i.e. between two independent parties). (Article 174)

7 ?UNDERLINING that this Agreement is founded on an overall balance of benefits, rights and obligations for the Union and the United Kingdom? No, it should be based upon the binding legal obligations upon the EU contained within Article 50. It is wrong to suggest otherwise.

8 The tampon tax clause: We obey EU laws on VAT, with no chance of losing the tampon tax even if we agree a better deal in December 2020 because we hereby agree to obey other EU VAT rules for **five years** after the transition period. Current EU rules prohibit 0-rated VAT on products (like tampons) that did not have such exemptions before the country joined the EU.

9 Several problems with the EU?s definitions: ?Union law? is too widely defined and ?United Kingdom national? is defined by the Lisbon Treaty: we should given away our right to define our citizens. The ?goods? and the term ?services? we are promised the deal are not defined ? or, rather, will be defined however the EU wishes them to be. Thus far, this a non-defined term so far. This agreement fails to define it.

10 The Mandelson Pension Clause: The UK must promise never to tax former EU officials based here - such as Peter Mandelson or Neil Kinnock - on their E.U. pensions, or tax any current Brussels bureaucrats on their salaries. The EU and its employees are to be immune to our tax laws. (Article 104)

11 Furthermore, the UK agrees not to prosecute EU employees who are, or who might be deemed in future, criminals (Art.101)

12 The GDPR clause. The General Data Protection Regulation ? the EU?s stupidest law ever? ? is to be bound into UK law (Articles 71 to 73). There had been an expectation in some quarters that the UK could get out of it.

13 The UK establishes a ?Joint Committee? with EU representatives to guarantee ?the implementation and application of this Agreement?. This does not sound like a withdrawal agreement ? if it was, why would it need to be subject to continued monitoring? (Article 164). This Joint Committee will have subcommittees with jurisdiction over: (a) citizens? rights; (b) ?other separation provisions?; (c) Ireland/Northern Ireland; (d) Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus; (e) Gibraltar; and (f) financial provisions. (Article 165)

14 The Lifetime clause: the agreement will last as long as the country?s youngest baby lives. ?the persons covered by this Part shall enjoy the rights provided for in the relevant Titles of this Part for their lifetime?. (Article 39).

15 The UK is shut out of all EU networks and databases for security ? yet no such provision exists to shut the EU out of ours. (Article 8)

16 The UK will tied to EU foreign policy, ?bound by the obligations stemming from the international agreements concluded by the Union? but unable to influence such decisions. (Article 124)

17 All EU citizens must be given permanent right of residence after five years ? but what counts as residence? This will be decided by the EU, rather than UK rules. (Articles 15-16)

18 Britain is granted the power to send a civil servant to Brussels to watch them pass stupid laws which will hurt our economy. (Article 34)

19 The UK agrees to spend taxpayers? money telling everyone how wonderful the agreement is. (Article 37)

20 Art 40 defines Goods. It seems to includes Services and Agriculture. We may come to discover that actually ?goods? means everything.

21 Articles 40-49 practically mandate the UK?s ongoing membership of the Customs Union in all but name.

22 The UK will be charged to receive the data/information we need in order to comply with EU law. (Article 50)

23 The EU will continue to set rules for UK intellectual property law (Article 54 to 61)

24 The UK will effectively be bound by a non-disclosure agreement swearing us to secrecy regarding any EU developments we have paid to be part. This is not mutual. The EU is not bound by such measures. (Article 74)

25 The UK is bound by EU rules on procurement rules ? which effectively forbids us from seeking better deals elsewhere. (Articles 75 to 78)

26 We give up all rights to any data the EU made with our money (Art. 103)

27 The EU decide capital projects (too broadly defined) the UK is liable for. (Art. 144)

28 The UK is bound by EU state aid laws until future agreement ? even in the event of an agreement, this must wait four years to be valid. (Article 93)

29 Similar advantages and immunities are extended to all former MEPs and to former EU official more generally. (Articles 106-116)

30 The UK is forbidden from revealing anything the EU told us or tells us about the finer points of deal and its operation. (Article 105).

31 Any powers the UK parliament might have had to mitigate EU law are officially removed. (Article 128)

32 The UK shall be liable for any ?outstanding commitments? after 2022 (Article 142(2) expressly mentions pensions, which gives us an idea as to who probably negotiated this). The amount owed will be calculated by the EU. (Articles 140-142)

33 The UK will be liable for future EU lending. As anyone familiar with the EU?s financials knows, this is not good. (Article143)

34 The UK will remain liable for capital projects approved by the European Investment Bank. (Article 150).

35 The UK will remain a ?party? (i.e. cough up money) for the European Development Fund. (Articles 152-154)

36 And the EU continues to calculate how much money the UK should pay it. So thank goodness Brussels does not have any accountancy issues.

37 The UK will remain bound (i.e coughing up money) to the European Union Emergency Trust Fund ? which deals with irregular migration (i.e. refugees) and displaced persons heading to Europe. (Article 155)

38 The agreement will be policed by ?the Authority? ? a new UK-based body with ?powers equivalent to those of the European Commission?. (Article 159)

39 The EU admits, in Art. 184, that it is in breach of  Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which oblige it to ?conclude an agreement? of the terms of UK leaving the EU. We must now, it seems, ?negotiate expeditiously the agreements governing their future relationship.? And if the EU does not? We settle down to this Agreement.

40 And, of course, the UK will agree to pay ?40bn to receive all of these ?privileges?. (Article 138)



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Title: Re: Top 40 Horrors - small print of Theresa May?s Brexit "deal"
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 17, 2018, 12:21:36 pm
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/the-top-40-horrors-lurking-in-the-small-print-of-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/
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11 Furthermore, the UK agrees not to prosecute EU employees who are, or who might be deemed in future, criminals (Art.101)
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Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on November 18, 2018, 07:59:23 pm
10 The Mandelson Pension Clause: The UK must promise never to tax former EU officials based here - such as Peter Mandelson or Neil Kinnock - on their E.U. pensions, or tax any current Brussels bureaucrats on their salaries. The EU and its employees are to be immune to our tax laws. (Article 104)
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: EvadingGrid on November 18, 2018, 08:01:17 pm

30 The UK is forbidden from revealing anything the EU told us or tells us about the finer points of deal and its operation. (Article 105).
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 24, 2018, 02:50:45 pm
https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/johnson-warns-brexit-plan-akin-to-titanic-heading-toward-doom#gs.4V933Pw
Boris Warns Brexit Plan Akin to Titanic Heading Toward Doom
    Dara Doyle
Nov 24 2018, 8:23 AM

(Bloomberg) -- Boris Johnson said the U.K. is on the brink of a ?historic mistake,? comparing Theresa May?s Brexit plan to the Titanic heading toward disaster.

To help avoid the return of checkpoints on the Irish border, May?s deal suggests the entire U.K. could remain in a customs union with the EU until a better solution is found. But Northern Ireland will also keep many of the EU?s rules -- and that means added checks on goods arriving from mainland Britain.

?The Titanic springs to mind, and now is the time to point the iceberg ahead,? Johnson, the U.K.?s former Foreign Secretary, said in a speech at the Democratic Unionist Party conference in Belfast on Saturday. ?This deal risks further economic and political humiliation.? His speech received a standing ovation.

Johnson called on May to ?junk? the so-called backstop, which he said risks leaving the U.K. as a ?satellite state.? Both the U.K. and EU say they want to avoid the backstop ever being triggered, but so far that hasn?t been enough to reassure the DUP, whose 10 lawmakers keep May in power.

The EU could yet demand the U.K. accept a ?special deal on immigration?, Johnson said, seeking to raise doubts around one of the key benefits May says flow from her deal -- ending freedom of movement.

?2018 Bloomberg L.P.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 24, 2018, 03:18:45 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahjhLhHGUbc
Adolf Hitler Closing Speech Triumph Of The Will 1934 English Subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nliGOuJL5A
Hitler Speeches with accurate English subtitles

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1048913/brexit-news-angela-merkel-germany-eu-sovereignty-uk
'Give up SOVEREIGNTY to EU' Merkel's swipe at UK amid threat to DERAIL Brexit
ANGELA Merkel has suggested countries should be willing to give up control over their own affairs and let organisations such as the European Union have more power in a veiled swipe at Brexit, as the German Chancellor threatens to derail Britain's exit from the bloc.
By Tom Nellist
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Nov 23, 2018 | UPDATED: 12:52, Fri, Nov 23, 2018
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 26, 2018, 12:11:45 pm
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2173279/its-crap-brexits-ground-zero-voters-voice-scorn-theresa-mays-draft

?It?s crap?: at Brexit?s ground-zero, voters slam Theresa May?s draft deal, saying they want clean break instead

    Three quarters of the English town of Boston voted in favour of Brexit in 2016, and its residents are not happy

In the eastern English town of Boston, ground-zero for Brexit in the 2016 referendum, voters voiced little support Wednesday for Prime Minister Theresa May?s long-awaited deal.
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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/11/26/listen-nigel-farage-tells-breitbart-mays-brexit-betrayal-is-like-voluntarily-going-to-prison/
LISTEN ? Nigel Farage Tells Breitbart: May?s Brexit Betrayal is Like ?Voluntarily Going to Prison?

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?Although we are leaving, [Theresa May] signed us up to a new series of arrangements which mean we?re going to be giving away up to ?60 billion to remain trapped inside the EU?s customs union which effectively means they make all the laws for our businesses and industry? we?ll have to take laws without any say.

?This really is taxation without representation.?

Mr Farage also spoke on the complex arrangements created by Theresa May that would have the impact of keeping the UK in the EU indefinitely. He said these: ???effectively means we won?t be able to leave that customs union and take back full control at any point in the future unless the European Union agrees to it.

?It is rather like voluntarily going into prison for a period of time, and when you want to leave, [asking] ?you won?t let me out, won?t you?! It?s complete madness, and I?ve branded this as the worst deal in history.
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?The problem is we?re faced with Brexit in name only, we?re leaving the treaties but effectively we aren?t getting back control of our money, our laws, or our borders. As you can imagine, there is considerable anger brewing in the country.?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 14, 2018, 12:24:10 pm
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/7978115/theresa-may-jean-claude-juncker-argument-brexit/
SCREW EU Theresa May gives Juncker an earful for branding her Brexit deal ?nebulous?

The Prime Minister was earlier seen arguing with the European Commission boss in Brussels
By Hugo Gye and Lynn Davidson
14th December 2018, 1:30 pm
Updated: 14th December 2018, 4:06 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6496059/You-called-nebulous-moment-PM-confronted-Juncker-Brussels.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

'You called me nebulous!': Lipreaders reveal what furious Theresa May said to Jean-Claude Juncker as she handbagged him over his late-night jibe in Brussels following collapse of Brexit talks

    Theresa May seen on camera in tense standoff with EU commission president Jean-Claude Juncker at summit
    Mr Juncker launched an extraordinary attack on the UK's new demands as 'nebulous imprecise' last night
    Mrs May said she was 'robust' with Mr Juncker and 'crystal clear' with leaders about what she needs on Brexit   
    The rescue mission came after she scraped through Tory vote of no confidence by a margin of 200 to 117 MPs
    She had hoped to wring more 'legally binding' concessions from EU leaders over the Irish border backstop   

By James Tapsfield, Political Editor, For Mailonline
Published: 07:17 EST, 14 December 2018 | Updated: 13:07 EST, 14 December 2018

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Although the sound was switched off, TV cameras caught the pair exchanging heated words for at least a minute.

Lipreaders said the exchange began with Mrs May saying: ''What did you call me? You called me nebulous.'

Mr Juncker seemingly failed to understand, and asked her to repeat herself.

Mrs May then spelled out the word 'nebulous' slowly.

As the camera moved around behind them a clearly frustrated Mrs May said: 'Nebulous, yes you did.'

But Mr Juncker says: 'No, I didn't, I didn't.'

During Mrs May's tirade Mr Juncker, who had one hand on Mrs May's arm, looked to be trying to soothe her anger by denying making the jibe.

But body language experts said Mrs May successfully disrupted Mr Juncker's usual 'Godfather' demeanour and put him on the back foot.

The clash could garner Mrs May some much needed points with Tory Eurosceptics and the DUP at home, as she struggles to find a way through the Parliamentary impasse over Brexit.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 14, 2018, 03:19:47 pm
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/14/delingpole-looming-brexit-betrayal-its-even-worse-than-you-feared/
Delingpole: Looming Brexit Betrayal ? It?s Even Worse than You Feared?
14 Dec 2018

I have some inside dirt on the ongoing betrayal of Brexit by our liberal elite Establishment. The news is not good. Here is what I hear:

European Research Group ? hoist by their own petard.

Remainers have been having an absolute field day crowing about the failure of Brexiteer Tory MPs to unseat Theresa May in Wednesday?s confidence vote.
Why on earth did they time it so badly ? submitting those 48 letters at a moment when they were almost certain to lose the vote? The story I hear is that they didn?t. The timing was decided for them by none other than May?s hamster-faced Chief of Staff Gavin Barwell who, it is said, deliberately released some of the 48 letters which had previously been withheld in order to force the issue.
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It?s becoming increasingly clear, isn?t it, that all the events leading up to Brexit referendum vote in June 2016 were completely irrelevant. Worse, the victory won by the 17.4 million people who voted Brexit, was an illusory triumph. So busy were the Brexiteers celebrating and imagining that they had won that they didn?t notice the galvanising effect this had on the Remainer Establishment ? which only redoubled its efforts to make sure Brexit never happened.

This is all going to get very ugly, isn?t it?
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 17, 2018, 11:15:53 am
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/17/bojo-uk-must-prepare-clean-break-eu/
BoJo: Britain Must Prepare for Clean Break from EU
17 Dec 2018

Brexiteer Boris Johnson has said talk of a second referendum ?undermines our negotiating credibility further? with the EU, and that the UK should prepare for a clean break from the bloc.

Writing that no-one who voted Leave in June 2016 voted to be in a ?half-way house? where the United Kingdom would ?abandon control of our own laws and trade policy to Brussels,? the former foreign secretary weighed in on reports that Prime Minister Theresa May?s closest allies were plotting a second referendum.

?If that is true, and if people in Downing Street have really been discussing a second referendum ? whether seriously or just in the hope of scaring MPs to vote for this lamentable deal ? then all I can say is that they must be out of their minds,? Mr Johnson wrote in The Telegraph.
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Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 06, 2019, 11:06:45 am
Oh so this is the end mate ....  They put you off for years and then put a stick up your bum ...

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/06/mps-threaten-government-shutdown-stop-no-deal-brexit/
MPs Threaten Government Shutdown to Stop No Deal Brexit

6 Jan 20191,441
2:50
A group of Remainer MPs will attempt to stop a no deal Brexit by starving the Treasury of funds which could lead to ?total paralysis? of the Government.

The MPs are set to vote on two amendments to the Finance Bill, which grants funds to the Treasury to spend on implementing no deal arrangements, on Tuesday.

Labour?s Yvette Cooper MP, who leads the group that includes former Tory ministers Nicky Morgan, Oliver Letwin, and Nick Boles, said, ?Our amendment would block some of the Treasury?s no-deal powers unless parliament has explicitly voted for no deal or unless the government has requested an extension of article 50.?

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May?s withdrawal agreement has found opposition from Brexiteers resulting in the prime minister postponing the House of Commons vote before Christmas in face of certain defeat ? mainly over the issue of the Irish backstop which could see Northern Ireland locked into regulatory alignment with the bloc after the transition period, should London and Brussels not strike a deal, in order to stop a so-called ?hard border? with EU member state Republic of Ireland.
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... Tory MP Peter Bone told Sky News?s Sophy Ridge on Sunday.

?The only way you?re going to get on and deliver Brexit is what?s called a ?no deal? Brexit. And then at the end of March we?ll be out of the EU and we will have left.

?There was no question, that I remember, on the referendum about a ?deal? or not; it was ?leave? or ?remain.? And the way you leave is to come out on the 29th of March.?
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Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 15, 2019, 10:46:13 am
Oh you voted - NOT!   .... ( the way we wanted you too .... )  So lets make threats ,,,

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/13/uk/theresa-may-brexit-speech-intl-gbr/index.html
Theresa May urges MPs to support her Brexit deal in last-ditch plea
CNN Digital Expansion 2017. James Griffiths
By Bianca Britton and James Griffiths, CNN
January 15, 2019

 (CNN)Brexit might never happen if lawmakers vote down the deal the British government has negotiated with the European Union, British Prime Minister Theresa May warned on Monday.

Making a last-minute plea to save her beleaguered deal, May warned that a rejection in parliament on Tuesday could destroy people's trust in politics, lead to the reversal of Brexit and even the breakup of the United Kingdom.

May urged lawmakers to take a "second look" at her deal, and warned that historians would judge them harshly if they didn't support it.

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Title: Re: The Brexit betrayal is happening - TODAY - VOTE LOST - Brexit plan rejected
Post by: EvadingGrid on January 15, 2019, 02:29:17 pm
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Theresa May?s Brexit plan rejected by British parliament
Published time: 15 Jan, 2019
https://www.rt.com/uk/448889-uk-brexit-plan-rejected/

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The Brexit deal, painstakingly agreed upon with the EU by PM Theresa May last year, has ultimately flopped, as MPs said a firm no. The failure brings even more uncertainty to the fate of May?s cabinet and the whole Brexit process.

UK parliament voted down May?s Brexit plan on Tuesday by 432 votes to 202 ? a margin of 230 ? following lengthy debates on the matter. The vote was originally set to be held in mid-December, but was postponed amid fears that MPs would reject the unpopular deal between May and Brussels.

The delay failed to prompt any meaningful changes to aid the PM's cause, as it was ultimately rejected by parliament. The development comes just 10 weeks before the UK is set to leave the EU, bringing even more uncertainty to the already turbulent Brexit process.


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Title: Re: BrExit - WTO-Brexit
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 17, 2019, 10:59:36 am
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-17/no-deal-brexit-odds-greater-you-may-think
May To Skip Davos, No-Deal Brexit Odds Greater Than Many Think

Authored by Mike Shedlock via MishTalk,

May survived a vote of no confidence and the EU might extend Article 50, but only with conditions. Nothing's changed.

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Standing With My Analysis

Counting of the financial markets to ascertain the outcome seems more than a bit silly. The Financial markets never thought people would vote for the referendum, but they did.

My comments in Mish vs. Eurointelligence were presented before the Eurointelligence report came out.

I am standing with my analysis and Eurointelligence reached a similar conclusion today. There may be an extension and an extension is needed, not to prevent Brexit but rather to better manage a WTO-Brexit.

Let's stop the absurd fearmongering, without which there would likely be overwhelming support for a managed WTO-Brexit. The extension is necessary only because May wasted two years negotiating the worst trade deal in history.
Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 13, 2019, 10:34:33 am
Talk about voting and plotting against the will of the people to GET THE Freak OUT OF THE EU ...


https://nytimespost.com/nigel-farage-reveals-real-reason-he-created-brexit-party-get-our-own-back/
Nigel Farage reveals REAL reason he created Brexit Party ? ?Get our OWN back!?
New York Times Post 0   March 13, 2019 11:01 am

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Nigel Farage
revealed he created the Brexit Party to avoid any violence or protesting. Mr Farage added he wants Brexiteers to find a ?democratic means? of ?getting their own back?. talkRADIO host Julia Hartley-Brewer joked: ?Have you bought your high-vis yellow jacket yet?? Mr Farage replied: ?No, one of the reasons I formed the Brexit Party is because I don?t want people to protest and to be violent.

?I want us to find a democratic means of getting our own back.?

Mr Farage also added earlier in the show: ?I do not think we will be leaving on March 29, but I do think we are leaving
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dMI0hngsKw
BREXIT: Nigel Farage begs EU to REJECT extension request ? 'You don't want me coming back!'

Published on Mar 13, 2019

Nigel Farage, the former UKip leader and chair of the Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy group in the European Parliament, has reacted on Theresa May's Brexit deal voted down again.


Farage says he warned Michel Barnier that the withdrawal agreement would not get through the Commons. The EU is now short of ?39bn, he says.

Farage pleaded with the European Union to have them reject demands for an extension of the Brexit negotiations to ensure Britain quits the bloc on March 29.

Nigel Farage urged the European Union to "veto" demands for an extension of the Brexit negotiations to make sure neither the bloc nor Britain "waste four more years" in talks about their future relations.

Addressing fellow MEPs in Strasbourg today, Mr Farage said: "We don?t want to be governed by you, we want to govern ourselves.

http://startupnewsdigest.com/brexit-may-slams-corbyn-for-risking-no-deal-by-refusing-to-back-plan/
Brexit: May slams Corbyn for risking no deal by refusing to back plan
March 13, 2019 admin 0 Comments back, Brexit, Corbyn, deal, Plan, refusing, risking, slams
May bows out as Remainers and Brexiteers fight for the future of Brexit: Stricken PM stays mute and lets Gove do the talking as MPs debate whether to stop Britain leaving the EU with No Deal

    MPs will hold more Brexit votes tonight after Theresa May said they must decide whether to accept No Deal
    The Prime Minister will vote against No Deal happening on March 29 but say it must remain on the table
    Tory MPs have a free vote on May?s plan and a rival amendment aimed at uniting the Conservative Party
    EU Brexit negotiator has already rejected the alternative plan known as the Malthouse Compromise 
    May is ordering her MPs to vote against a cross party plan to rule out a No Deal Brexit in all circumstances   

By Tim Sculthorpe, Deputy Political Editor and Martin Robinson, Chief Reporter For Mailonline


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/12/brexit-mps-vote-theresa-may-backstop-deal-jeremy-corbyn-politics-live
Chance of no-deal Brexit has 'significantly increased', says EU ? as it happened

https://apnews.com/0732fc070df44f26b74dab8f207855dd
UK lawmakers seek to stop no-deal Brexit as EU warnings grow
By JILL LAWLESS, RAF CASERT and RENEE GRAHAM19 minutes ago
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British lawmakers rejected Prime Minister Theresa May?s Brexit agreement for a second time on Tuesday by a decisive 391-242 vote.

Parliament will vote later Wednesday on whether to rule out leaving the EU on March 29 without a deal.

Britain?s Parliament is trying to seize control of Brexit from the government,
though it?s far from clear if lawmakers can agree on a way forward. There are competing factions supporting May?s deal, or a softer deal that would keep close ties with the EU, or a no-deal Brexit or even a new referendum on Britain?s EU membership.
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Title: Re: BrExit - Br Exit - Britain vote to exit EU - June 23 2016
Post by: TahoeBlue on March 15, 2019, 09:34:05 pm
This oh so pathetic ...  Wheres the Lion Wheres the Bulldog ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW-bFGzNMXw
The Prisoner [1967] - I'm not a number, I'm a free man! [720p]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9fa3HFR02E
St. Crispin's Day Speech - Henry V (1944)
Laurence Olivier's 1944 version of Henry V's Victory over the EU
 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM
Henry V - Speech - Eve of Saint Crispin's Day - HD

https://youtu.be/T3Bq1h728X0?t=24
 Queen Elizabeth I (Cate Blanchett), Tilbury Speech  Leaving the EU Speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inQhCimpDHY
Scene from the 1937 movie "Fire Over England"

https://youtu.be/-bxEBWppRzY?t=43
 Queen Elizabeth I rallies her troops to face the impending EU invasion, 1588

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uURfpcH1pDk
Fire ships are sent in against the EU in 1588

https://youtu.be/-VJfz_26ldQ?t=322
Admiral Nelson's victory over the EU at Trafalgar, 1805

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvjisnEezgw
Robin Hood (1938) laughs at the EU and Makes them Pay ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5R8FHmexsM
Robin Hood?s Declaration  to the EU ...

https://www.apnews.com/f68cafee91a14ffd9e3485b656b3dd6c
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After months of political deadlock, Britain?s House of Commons voted 413-202 Thursday to ask the EU to delay the country?s exit.

The vote in itself won?t prevent Britain from crashing out of the bloc ? an outcome that could mean major disruptions for businesses and people in both the U.K. and the 27 remaining EU countries.

By law, Britain will leave the EU on March 29 with or without a deal, unless it cancels Brexit or secures a delay from the EU.