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Title: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: limitgov on February 19, 2008, 09:58:05 pm
Let me start by saying...I like Alex Jones, but its hard for me to talk about the stuff he talks about with my wife, because he doesn't have alot of evidence to backup some of his claims.
In particular.....when I was talking to my wife about mercury in vaccines....she made a good point...
if mercury is in vaccine...and it is causing the autism....why didn't we have huge breakouts of autism years ago...when we definetely had mercury in the vaccines....even more mercury then now....
?

Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Dig on February 19, 2008, 10:01:29 pm
http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/080212.pdf
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Dig on February 19, 2008, 10:04:43 pm
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Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Beefcake on February 19, 2008, 10:04:56 pm
To simplify things Limitgov.  There are way more vaccines these days and they all have mercury.  More vaccines+mercury in each one=more autism.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Dig on February 19, 2008, 10:08:08 pm
Let me start by saying...I like Alex Jones, but its hard for me to talk about the stuff he talks about with my wife, because he doesn't have alot of evidence to backup some of his claims.
In particular.....when I was talking to my wife about mercury in vaccines....she made a good point...
if mercury is in vaccine...and it is causing the autism....why didn't we have huge breakouts of autism years ago...when we definetely had mercury in the vaccines....even more mercury then now....
?




Unfortunately, the assumption you have proposed, "he doesn't have alot of evidence to backup some of his claims" is laughable.  And with the opening of "Let me start by saying...I like Alex Jones." I mean, c'mon ya gotta do better than that.  Did they not prep you at Omnicom before you got this assignment?
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 19, 2008, 10:20:34 pm

Unfortunately, the assumption you have proposed, "he doesn't have alot of evidence to backup some of his claims" is laughable.  And with the opening of "Let me start by saying...I like Alex Jones." I mean, c'mon ya gotta do better than that.  Did they not prep you at Omnicom before you got this assignment?

Look it...I like the guy.....I download his show and listen to it in my car ont he way to work....
I'm not some plant or whatever.....I wanna find the evidence so I can convince my wife....but like anyone else....she expects evidence....

I like when he talks about local issues here in Texas....he seems to back alot of that up with good interviews of firsthand accounts, etc....

ok...so, more vaccines now + more mercury = more autism....
that does make sense...
but how many of those vaccines nowadays are given before the age of 4?
because those are the ones that matters...
they develop it by the time they are around 4.....
so are there alot more vaccines given before 4 years of age?
also...where is the evidence that there is still mercury in all of these vaccines....
I know he talks about mercury in the flu vaccines...but what about the other vaccines?
where's the evidence showing mercury on those?
can someone give me links to creidble news sites or something similar?
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Beefcake on February 19, 2008, 10:27:47 pm
Seriously i hate to sound obnoxious but even cnn reprts on links between autism and vaccines.  Over vaccination causeing autism is actually pretty well understood.  The real conspiracy is what else they put in the vaccines.  Ingredients that sterilize us things like that.  As far as autism goes its a sure shot brother you get too many vaccines at a young age and you have a high risk of autism.

Just Google it man you don't need us hapless forum guys to help ya.  but if you find anything of interest then post it here and we can comment.  Google is your friend:)
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Dig on February 19, 2008, 10:28:33 pm
Look it...I like the guy.....I download his show and listen to it in my car ont he way to work....
I'm not some plant or whatever.....I wanna find the evidence so I can convince my wife....but like anyone else....she expects evidence....

I like when he talks about local issues here in Texas....he seems to back alot of that up with good interviews of firsthand accounts, etc....

ok...so, more vaccines now + more mercury = more autism....
that does make sense...
but how many of those vaccines nowadays are given before the age of 4?
because those are the ones that matters...
they develop it by the time they are around 4.....
so are there alot more vaccines given before 4 years of age?
also...where is the evidence that there is still mercury in all of these vaccines....
I know he talks about mercury in the flu vaccines...but what about the other vaccines?
where's the evidence showing mercury on those?
can someone give me links to creidble news sites or something similar?


The ages are on the picture.

Also, there aver 2,000 posts on the eugenics subject here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=157.0

I am just surprised by your assumptions and questions, because the information even when staring you in the face, seems to create skepticism.  So although I can direct you to 2,000 posts with 10,000 pieces of information, I still question your ability to comprehend it or your intention in the first place.

I suppose only time will tell.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: HEX on February 19, 2008, 10:32:22 pm
I've seen a couple of news reports lately stating that vaccines don't have have mercury in them anymore, it was taken out years ago. They are trying to get everybody out here in Cali to go get vaccinated for the Measles (sp)
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Div on February 19, 2008, 11:02:21 pm
mercury is a preservative, the flu vaccines are made pretty much en masse a year in advance sense the influenza virus mutates each year (ie last years vaccine wont be good for next year). so to save money (and dumb u down) they put the mercury in. some vaccines can be made on the spot without the mercury preservative but theyre more expensive. talk to some nurses or microbiologists and theyll fill u in.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Sonja on February 20, 2008, 12:26:05 am
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I've seen a couple of news reports lately stating that vaccines don't have have mercury in them anymore, it was taken out years ago. They are trying to get everybody out here in Cali to go get vaccinated for the Measles (sp)

The flu shot has mercury. While they claim others dont, mercury is still used in the manufacturing of. There is no reason any adult should get a measles vaccine. If they cant get you on flu, theyll get you on something, the vaccine program has been vamped up like crazy lately.
Man, I swear, you guys need to do some of your own research instead of being spoon fed, ALL of it is on the forums, all of it.
Heres MSM 15 days ago claiming that mercury from vaccines is 'gone' from a baby in 3.5 days, in vaccines they claim HAVE NO mercury, ok?
Heard of doublespeak?
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN30505454
Do you get it that mercury is killing your kids and the MSM is lying and that there is a Eugenics program to dumb you and them down for life?
Ok.
limitgov- i feel your pain and likely this post was moved so you cant even find it. Women are afraid, its a newborn. Children can receive more than 35 vaccines and more boosters in the first few years. Sont buy the vaccine thing, but research! Pm me. Ill send you to the right links, I dont thimnk you can even find your thread.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Sonja on February 20, 2008, 12:55:39 am
No, wait...they tested mercury vaccines on Argentinian babies, because they claim mercury has been removed in US vaccines.
So get this...they CAN remove Mercury, but choose not to, and test Argentinian babies (because they can be tested for the most toxic chemical known to man, because they dont f**king count as babies that may have autism or other side effects.) This article plainly says, they tested mercury vaccines that have been forbidden in the US on Argentinian babies.
Listen up! Open eyes and ears. Do you think they asked Argentine mothers if they could test toxic chemicals on their babies?
Do you think they ask YOU?
This is important. They are not asking, they are doing. They are mandating. It is your right to refusal and get informed.

And for f**ks sake, STOP asking others to do your research for you, its your life and your childs life, do the research! WAKE The f**k up!
sorry....its time we took responsibility!

Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 12:00:59 pm
I've done some google searches.
On the CDC website it said only flu vaccines have mercury....

Can someone please direct me to sources that say the other vaccines have mercury in them?

Also, can someone please direct me to sources that say mercury in vaccines causes autism....or at least shows some statistics or something that links the two?

I have a 1 yr old who will be getting his 18 month? vaccine soon....
And I was planning on asking the nurse to show me the vaccine.....
I was going to see if it had thermosal listed on it.....

My wife works in the medical field...and said...you better know what you're talking about....you are going to look foolish if it doesn't have thermosal in it, and the Doctor will probably note that you're a parent who is going to cause trouble.
She said in some cases the doctor will actually refuse to see patients if they become too confrontational...

for me...its my kid's life we're talking about....I'm willing to chance whatever I have to....
but I have yet to find evidecne that shows there is mercury in the non-flu vaccines.
I have googled....and all I can find are conspiracy sites that claim its in there...
I am asking someone to help me find credible sources...please....

Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 12:25:33 pm
Quote
I've done some google searches.
On the CDC website it said only flu vaccines have mercury....

well it looks like you resolved the issue.

thanks for your extensive research and diligent work to protect the future generations of vaccine related infant/child illnesses.

I guess I should just delete the following information from hundreds of credible resouces thanks to your fine research:

VACCINE COMPANIES INVESTIGATED FOR MANSLAUGHTER!!!!
UK: Alert over jab for girls as two die following Gardasil vaccination
Where are the autistic Amish?
Evidence of the elite secretly sterilizing women through vaccines
HPV Vax exposed + Girls aged NINE are offered cancer vax + HPV info by state + FDA knew HPV not cause of cervical cancer
Kids Forced Into MD Court For Vax + Innoculations Work! + NJ to require flu shots for preschoolers
Vaccines really really good + Autism Rises in California
UK: "The super-vaccine that beats ALL types of flu."
Vaccinations. The History of Vaccinations
Vaccines/Experiments on Children, Minorities, Woman and Inmates (1845-Now)
Merck admits injecting cancer + Merck recalls 1.2 million doses of Infant Hib vax
anti smoking vaccination
New "bird flu" hoax to scare the public and to sell thier poisons!
FDA ties pneumonia deaths to infant vaccine
"We have to vaccinate the dog so it won't [bite/bark]."
Flu Vaccine doesn't work, medics admit
gardasill or kill
Yahoo Article - Mercury from vaccines disappears quickly!
Lectured by the Pediatrician about the need for Vaccinations
New flu vaccine may not need needles
'Safe Ebola' created for research
MERCURY, AUTISM AND THE GLOBAL VACCINE AGENDA
flu big pharma flu profit motive???
$10m found for cervical cancer jabs
Are New Vaccines Laced with Birth-Control Drugs?
GlaxoSmithKline testing bird flu virus on humans
New Vaccine Requirements for Arizona Middle School Students
Interesting stats on vaccines, drugs, etc. (link)
Anti-Vaccination/You Tube - Too dangerous??
Clinton Would Boost Autism Funding
Emergency Preparedness and Response Division Free Flu Vaccinations in Colorado
Fox News - Vaccinate or else
Great progress in Slovenia regarding vaccination
AIDS vaccine may increase infection risk
Shot may be inadvertently boosting superbugs
Australian Sweet discovery on flu vaccines
Bush To Veto Ban On Mercury In Vaccines
Cervical Cancer Vaccines Won't Fight Existing HPV InfectionBush To Veto Ban On Mercury In Vaccines (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=296.0)
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 12:27:59 pm
thank you Sane...for posting some sources....
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 12:53:44 pm
Sane...that picture with all the vaccines and ages you posted.....
it doesn't list any vaccine for 18 months....

I think there is one for 18 months......

Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 01:03:17 pm
I'm so f**king fustrated!

If they do put mercury in the non-flu vaccines and its causing autism.....
I feel sick to my stomach.....

my f**king kid has had a few vaccines already.....
he's one.....

but the news doesn't seem to report shit...and its hard to find f**king sources that say mercury is in the non-flu vaccines.....
and when I come to the one place where I figure people are gonna be aware of what could be going on and could provide some damn sources....the f**king moderator attacks me as if I'm some sort of plant or something....
you mentioned something about omnicom or something....
I don't even know what the f**k omnicom is....
I'm not a f**king plant or whatever....
I'm just someone who's trying to get some f**king good evidence to show my wife that there is mercury in the non-flu vaccines....
I'm not sure if there is....thats WHY I"M TRYING TO FIND SOURCES....
When someone like Alex Jones says there's mercury in non-flu vaccines....he's making a claim he NEEDS TO BACKUP....
if you make a claim you have to provide evidence to backup your claim....
not the other f**king way around.....

when I first heard him say that I felt sick to my stomach.....I felt like going to the peditricatin who injects my kid with vaccines to go f**k himself for recommending that.....
but after I calmed down....I realized that Alex could be wrong....
I wanted to see the evidence that mercury was in non flu vaccines....once I find it...then I could go on my rampage....
so, I'm asking for help for sources in proving mercury is in non flu vaccines.....
please stop treating me like I'm some sort of f**king plant or something.....
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 01:08:21 pm
Sane...that picture with all the vaccines and ages you posted.....
it doesn't list any vaccine for 18 months....

I think there is one for 18 months......



nevermind ..I'm an idiot...I realize now that all the numbers n there are months, not years....
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Anti_Illuminati on February 20, 2008, 01:11:32 pm
@limitgov

Some info:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html

http://www.mercola.com/2002/mar/30/mercury_vaccine.htm
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: darkomen on February 20, 2008, 01:29:49 pm
6 Shots had a autism rate of 1 on 10,000 but 17 shots (assuming the shots are given in one injection) causes a rate of 1 in 150. Thats 3 times as much mercury but 66 times as much autism. Something doesn't add up or my math sucks.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 01:34:30 pm

but the news doesn't seem to report shit...



http://www.voxfux.com/archives/00000082.htm

and more recently...

How the spooks took over the news
(http://www.independent.co.uk/independent.co.uk/images/logo-london.png)
In his controversial new book, Nick Davies argues that shadowy intelligence agencies are pumping out black propaganda to manipulate public opinion – and that the media simply swallow it wholesale
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/how-the-spooks-took-over-%20the-news-780672.html
Monday, 11 February 2008



Onthe morning of 9 February 2004, The New York Times carried an exclusive and alarming story. The paper's Baghdad correspondent, Dexter Filkins, reported that US officials had obtained a 17-page letter, believed to have been written by the notorious terrorist Abu Musab al Zarqawi to the "inner circle" of al-Qa'ida's leadership, urging them to accept that the best way to beat US forces in Iraq was effectively to start a civil war.

The letter argued that al-Qa'ida, which is a Sunni network, should attack the Shia population of Iraq: "It is the only way to prolong the duration of the fight between the infidels and us. If we succeed in dragging them into a sectarian war, this will awaken the sleepy Sunnis."

Later that day, at a regular US press briefing in Baghdad, US General Mark Kimmitt dealt with a string of questions about The New York Times report: "We believe the report and the document is credible, and we take the report seriously... It is clearly a plan on the part of outsiders to come in to this country and spark civil war, create sectarian violence, try to expose fissures in this society." The story went on to news agency wires and, within 24 hours, it was running around the world.

There is very good reason to believe that that letter was a fake – and a significant one because there is equally good reason to believe that it was one product among many from a new machinery of propaganda which has been created by the United States and its allies since the terrorist attacks of September 2001.

For the first time in human history, there is a concerted strategy to manipulate global perception. And the mass media are operating as its compliant assistants, failing both to resist it and to expose it.

The sheer ease with which this machinery has been able to do its work reflects a creeping structural weakness which now afflicts the production of our news. I've spent the last two years researching a book about falsehood, distortion and propaganda in the global media.

The "Zarqawi letter" which made it on to the front page of The New York Times in February 2004 was one of a sequence of highly suspect documents which were said to have been written either by or to Zarqawi and which were fed into news media.

This material is being generated, in part, by intelligence agencies who continue to work without effective oversight; and also by a new and essentially benign structure of "strategic communications" which was originally designed by doves in the Pentagon and Nato who wanted to use subtle and non-violent tactics to deal with Islamist terrorism but whose efforts are poorly regulated and badly supervised with the result that some of its practitioners are breaking loose and engaging in the black arts of propaganda.

Like the new propaganda machine as a whole, the Zarqawi story was born in the high tension after the attacks of September 2001. At that time, he was a painful thorn in the side of the Jordanian authorities, an Islamist radical who was determined to overthrow the royal family. But he was nothing to do with al-Q'aida. Indeed, he had specifically rejected attempts by Bin Laden to recruit him, because he was not interested in targeting the West.

Nevertheless, when US intelligence battered on the doors of allied governments in search of information about al-Q'aida, the Jordanian authorities – anxious to please the Americans and perhaps keen to make life more difficult for their native enemy – threw up his name along with other suspects. Soon he started to show up as a minor figure in US news stories – stories which were factually weak, often contradictory and already using the Jordanians as a tool of political convenience.

Then, on 7 October 2002, for the first time, somebody referred to him on the record. In a nationally televised speech in Cincinnati, President George Bush spoke of "high-level contacts" between al-Q'aida and Iraq and said: "Some al-Q'aida leaders who fled Afghanistan, went to Iraq. These include one very senior al-Q'aida leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks."

This coincided with a crucial vote in Congress in which the president was seeking authority to use military force against Iraq. Bush never named the man he was referring to but, as the Los Angeles Times among many others soon reported: "In a speech [on] Monday, Bush referred to a senior member of al-Q'aida who received medical treatment in Iraq. US officials said yesterday that was Abu al Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian, who lost a leg during the US war in Afghanistan."

Even now, Zarqawi was a footnote, not a headline, but the flow of stories about him finally broke through and flooded the global media on 5 February 2003, when the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, addressed the UN Security Council, arguing that Iraq must be invaded: first, to stop its development of weapons of mass destruction; and second, to break its ties with al-Q'aida.

Powell claimed that "Iraq today harbours a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab al Zarqawi"; that Zarqawi's base in Iraq was a camp for "poison and explosive training"; that he was "an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al-Q'aida lieutenants"; that he "fought in the Afghan war more than a decade ago"; that "Zarqawi and his network have plotted terrorist actions against countries, including France, Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany and Russia".

Courtesy of post-war Senate intelligence inquiries; evidence disclosed in several European trials; and the courageous work of a handful of journalists who broke away from the pack, we now know that every single one of those statements was entirely false. But that didn't matter: it was a big story. News organisations sucked it in and regurgitated it for their trusting consumers.

So, who exactly is producing fiction for the media? Who wrote the Zarqawi letters? Who created the fantasy story about Osama bin Laden using a network of subterranean bases in Afghanistan, complete with offices, dormitories, arms depots, electricity and ventilation systems? Who fed the media with tales of the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar, suffering brain seizures and sitting in stationery cars turning the wheel and making a noise like an engine? Who came up with the idea that Iranian ayatollahs have been encouraging sex with animals and girls of only nine?

Some of this comes from freelance political agitators. It was an Iranian opposition group, for example, which was behind the story that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was jailing people for texting each other jokes about him. And notoriously it was Iraqi exiles who supplied the global media with a dirty stream of disinformation about Saddam Hussein.

But clearly a great deal of this carries the fingerprints of officialdom. The Pentagon has now designated "information operations" as its fifth "core competency" alongside land, sea, air and special forces. Since October 2006, every brigade, division and corps in the US military has had its own "psyop" element producing output for local media. This military activity is linked to the State Department's campaign of "public diplomacy" which includes funding radio stations and news websites. In Britain, the Directorate of Targeting and Information Operations in the Ministry of Defence works with specialists from 15 UK psyops, based at the Defence Intelligence and Security School at Chicksands in Bedfordshire.

In the case of British intelligence, you can see this combination of reckless propaganda and failure of oversight at work in the case of Operation Mass Appeal. This was exposed by the former UN arms inspector Scott Ritter, who describes in his book, Iraq Confidential, how, in London in June 1998, he was introduced to two "black propaganda specialists" from MI6 who wanted him to give them material which they could spread through "editors and writers who work with us from time to time".

In interviews for Flat Earth News, Ritter described how, between December 1997 and June 1998, he had three meetings with MI6 officers who wanted him to give them raw intelligence reports on Iraqi arms procurement. The significance of these reports was that they were all unconfirmed and so none was being used in assessing Iraqi activity. Yet MI6 was happy to use them to plant stories in the media. Beyond that, there is worrying evidence that, when Lord Butler asked MI6 about this during his inquiry into intelligence around the invasion of Iraq, MI6 lied to him.

Ultimately, the US has run into trouble with its propaganda in Iraq, particularly with its use of the Zarqawi story. In May 2006, when yet another of his alleged letters was handed out to reporters in the Combined Press Information Centre in Baghdad, finally it was widely regarded as suspect and ignored by just about every single media outlet.

Arguably, even worse than this loss of credibility, according to British defence sources, the US campaign on Zarqawi eventually succeeded in creating its own reality. By elevating him from his position as one fighter among a mass of conflicting groups, the US campaign to "villainise Zarqawi" glamorised him with its enemy audience, making it easier for him to raise funds, to attract "unsponsored" foreign fighters, to make alliances with Sunni Iraqis and to score huge impact with his own media manoeuvres. Finally, in December 2004, Osama bin Laden gave in to this constructed reality, buried his differences with the Jordanian and declared him the leader of al-Q'aida's resistance to the American occupation.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 01:36:55 pm
@limitgov

Some info:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html

http://www.mercola.com/2002/mar/30/mercury_vaccine.htm

Thank you very much....the lewrockwell was an extremely good article....
that is really disgusting that the NIH will not fund any study relating to mercury in vaccines or alagrams....
I love lewrockwell's site.....I've been using it to get all my Ron Paul info this election year....
I just started reading his site this election year, and realized after reading alot of Ron Paul's work that I'm a libertarian, not a republican.
anyway....great first article....thank you....
I haven;t read the other article yet....
quick question.....
Why do you think the pharm companies are putting thimorsal in the vaccines?
Why do they care?
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 01:37:13 pm
6 Shots had a autism rate of 1 on 10,000 but 17 shots (assuming the shots are given in one injection) causes a rate of 1 in 150. Thats 3 times as much mercury but 66 times as much autism. Something doesn't add up or my math sucks.

read the article, it is all in there.

it is not so much that your math sucks as your science sucks.  in addition your apologetic attitude toward the mercury distribution industry (vaccines) might mean that your awareness of who is running things sucks.

also you do not know if they are using more mercury now than then.  There is a confirmed overall autogenocide (http://uncensored.co.nz/2007/12/18/the-nine-stages-of-american-autogenocide/#more-1196) plan in the United States, so it would make sense as this fits into the overall framework.  In addition, once a certain threshold is reached then, see ya.  Also, this is mercury given over stages so that the body does not have a chance to deal with it.  progressive increase until you pass the threshold level.  like i said at that point, see ya.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: 2Revolutions on February 20, 2008, 01:42:59 pm
List of Books that are cheap and extremely informational (available at amazon by resellers)

Evidence of Harm

Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers--And Why GI's Are Only The First Victims

The Plutonium Files: America's Secret Medical Experiments in the Cold War

Educate before you vaccinate is another good book

http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/dovabeyoued.html (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/dovabeyoued.html)

Here is some information about the Anthrax Vaccine the military wants soldiers to take and soldiers' reactions

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/anthrax_lies_vaccines.htm (http://www.gulfwarvets.com/anthrax_lies_vaccines.htm)

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/anthraxmaker_warned.htm (http://www.gulfwarvets.com/anthraxmaker_warned.htm)
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 01:45:33 pm
Thank you very much....the lewrockwell was an extremely good article....
that is really disgusting that the NIH will not fund any study relating to mercury in vaccines or alagrams....
I love lewrockwell's site.....I've been using it to get all my Ron Paul info this election year....
I just started reading his site this election year, and realized after reading alot of Ron Paul's work that I'm a libertarian, not a republican.
anyway....great first article....thank you....
I haven;t read the other article yet....
quick question.....
Why do you think the pharm companies are putting thimorsal in the vaccines?
Why do they care?



American Autogenocide  

America's Darkest Secret:
The Nine Stages of American Autogenocide 
 

Martha Rose Crow, M.S.
Saturday, September 16, 2006
(http://hiddenmurder.blogspot.com/2006/09/americas-darkest-secret.html)

What Autogenocide Means

Auto comes from the Greek reflexive pronoun while genocide comes from the Latin words gens meaning "race, tribe" and -cidere meaning "kill."

American Autogenocide is the deliberate, systematic and legal murder of American citizens by socially-engineering the die-off of populations that are “problematic” for the interests of wealth and power. Most victims prematurely die from social forces targeted at them to cause them to wear out by stress. This process is called "Weathering Away" or "Attrition By Stress."

Although it has to be “legal,” autogenocide is always committed under the radar so the media won’t be compelled to report it and so the people won’t see it or understand it. More, the genocide is blamed on the victims and their deaths are hidden-attributed-to other causes rather than the primary one of autogenocide.

What is different between this genocide and other genocides is that this unique genocide doesn't produce mass graves. Instead, the victims are spread over a large geographic area and buried singly, thereby hiding the body count. This keeps the deaths sanitized and homogenized. It also keeps the autogenocide surreal; thus enabling the village to deny It's existence when clues to It's existence are ambundant and abundantly transparent.

Six Primary Factors to Genocide

There are six primary factors underlying genocide. First, there is an overpopulation of people from groups that are not economically or socially important and/or viable to the political and economic elite.

Second, genocides usually happen in times of shortages. The shortage behind the current American autogenocide is work. America is losing jobs while the population continues to grow. The wealthy and industry are loathe to pay taxes to support negative or low producers (useless eaters) because the costs of maintaining these people (via increased taxes and social costs) affects their profits and earnings.

More, when there are too many people in times of great shortages, they become restless and can group together to force democratic and social changes the economic/political/military elite don’t want and work tirelessly and relentlessly against.

The third factor is that genocides are common to patriarchal societies. The stronger the institutional and cultural patriarchy, the stronger the chances for acts of genocide to exist, whether external or internal.

Threat to power (now or in the future) is the fourth underlying factor of genocide. For example, approximately one-third of all Americans are minorities and that number is expected to rise unless that population begins to die off. If minorities become the majority, the old, established rule of the country by white male elite will not hold for long unless the country becomes a dictatorship.

The fifth primary factor to genocide is that women and children are the primary targets. Women are exterminated because of their fertility. Eliminate them and the next generation of unwanted people will automatically be eliminated or at least be considerably downsized. This applies to the elimination of children as well.

Six, modern autogenocides don’t happen without the help of the media. They constantly distribute the propaganda preparing the village psyche for acceptance of the deaths. They officially ignore the suffering and premature death, thus lending approval to its justification and execution.

As good servants to the status quo, the media “hides” the parts of America the ruling and economic elite don’t want the majority of the village to see. Only when a fluke thing happens, like an Act of God like Hurricane Katrina, will America see its other, darker side. Now even that has faded and become buried as the national media has mostly forgotten it at the request of their elite masters. Autogenocide has to be hidden until all the people that are considered liabilities (debit people) in the books of the Patriarchal Capitalist Country are disappeared.

Five Types of Genocide

Roger Smith (1999) identified five genocide typologies. They are as follows: retributive genocide; institutional genocide; utilitarian genocide; monopolistic genocide; and, ideological genocide.

Retributive genocide may play a role in all genocide. It is usually rare as a principle motive and used mainly as a rationalization. It usually flows from the dehumanization attached to victims.

Institutional genocide was politically sanctioned mass murder in ancient and medieval times. It is a universal result of conquest and is an inherent form of warfare. It is motivated by the desire to terrorize and exert dominative power and eliminate any possible retaliation.

Utilitarian genocide was very prominent from the 16th to 19th centuries. It is used for the colonial domination and exploitation of indigenous peoples, although many would argue that the free market system dominates and exploits all groups of people who have no economic or political power. The basic proposition of utilitarian genocide is that some people must die so others can live well and the major force driving it is ethnocentrism and greed.

The most frequent cause of genocide in the 20th century and early 21st century has been the struggle to monopolize power. Monopolistic genocide is a tool for the elite to monopolize and centralize power in the hands of a few.

Most genocide prior to the 20th century was external with the goal of conquest and colonial expansion. Today, most genocide is internal or domestic (groups within the same territorial boundaries are destroyed). Issues not at stake in external genocide are the center of internal genocide: who belongs; who is to have voice in politics; what is the shape of the community; what should the purposes of community be.

The fifth type of genocide is ideological genocide. Religion usually provides a rationale. In many cases, the genocides are carried out to protect and defend a particular religious faith, including certain forms of nationalism.

Camus explained ideological genocide as a metaphysical revolt against humanity in which an attempt is made to create/reestablish a system providing for order and justice that humanity thought to be lacking. At the same time, ideological genocide strives for a type of salvation that strives to eliminate all that is perceived to be impure.

A Modern Genocide Usually Consists of More Than One Kind of Genocide

Most types of modern genocide are a hybrid of two or more kinds. For example, the Nazis committed retributive genocide as well as institutional, utilitarian, monopolistic and ideological genocide.

Retributive: The Jews had to be punished for killing Christ and for controlling finance. They and other “enemies of the state” had to be punished for running down decent society in general.

Institutional: Nazis mass-murdered large groups of people, usually with the help of locals. All was politically-sanctioned.

Utilitarian: Some people had to die so others could live well.

Monopolistic: Nazi Germany committed both external and internal genocide. A premiere reason behind this was to monopolize power.

Ideological: Untermenchen (sub-humans) and other defective people were dragging German society down. Religion provided the perfect rationale as the early Christian fathers and Martin Luther wrote/instructed that the Jews killed Jesus, thus were a cursed and hated people. This was taught for millennia in churches and theological schools.

The modern American autogenocide is also a hybrid. Like the Nazis, it is a hybrid of all five types of genocide.

Retributive: Since Barry Goldwater in the 1960’s, the conservatives have done nothing but attack and demonize/dehumanize the poor, until they lost all their perceived humanity. The lazy, tax-sucking, tax-dependent poor had to be morally “saved” by eliminating social safety nets so they would be “motivated to work” when in reality, there was little if any work for them and certainly no work that paid a living wage.

Institutional: The old, established order of elite males rule by terror or what is known as the “patriarchal authority of violence.” Institutional genocide reinforces this kind of violence. The autogenocide going on in America right now is politically-sanctioned mass murder. It is politically sanctioned through legislation and through non-legislation (e.g., the continued dismantling of social programs when they are needed more than ever and lack of energy, motivation to reinstate them) and through patriarchal institutions. More, it is politically sanctioned by bureaucracies, male institutions and the corporate-owned media.

Utilitarian: Some people have to die so others can live well, including receiving more share of the community distribution of wealth and more chances for work.

Monopolistic: Autogenocide is internal genocide. The autogenocide being committed against Americans is done to keep the wealth and power in the hands of the established white male order for now and for the future. Think of it as negative, “preemptive” population control to keep the System as it has existed for over two hundred years for the next two hundred years.

Ideological: The conservative right claimed that the poor were dragging the country down morally and economically because they were costing society (living on welfare or getting some other public benefit) when in the “Land of Opportunity “anyone” who “really wanted” a job could get one. The right’s “think-tanks” and other institutions launched and paid for “studies” to “prove” their ideologies in their favor. Afterwards, they flooded the social tapestry with “evidence” to sway public opinion in the corner of the right.

In the late 1990’s, the American village was constantly covered in propaganda from the government and media proclaiming a “perfect economy” and bemoaning that there were not enough workers to fill all the jobs available. Years later, all of this has been disproved, but it still worked: Part of the American autogenocide became more ideological because of the enormous propaganda released in American communities to stir up civil wars and xenophobia.
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Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 01:54:55 pm
Merk drug company vaccines admits injecting cancer viruses
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=327_1195303011


Bayer Exposed: Selling foreign countries AIDS contaminated Medicine
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Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Jackson Holly on February 20, 2008, 02:03:50 pm
limitgov:

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness/ingredients.html (http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness/ingredients.html)

Here's a listing of vaccine ingredients. I can't say if this site has updated info - I believe it is taken from the 1997 PDR:

Vaccine Ingredients and Contact Info
Dawn Winkler
Source: 1997 Physicians' Desk Reference
This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of the various types of vaccines

Acel-Immune
DTaP
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed

Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, polysorbate 80, gelatin

Act HIB
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Tetanus Toxoid Conjugate

Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using ammonium sulfate, formalin, sucrose, thimerosal
medium: semi-synthetic

Attenuvax
Measles Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: chick embryo

DPT
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed

SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate, washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal
medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein

Energix-B
Hepatitis B

SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal
medium: yeast (possibly 5% residual)

Havrix
Hepatitis A

SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium)
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Biavax
Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

HibTiter
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib)

Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using polyribosylribitol, ammonium sulfate, thimerosal
medium: chemically defined, yeast based

Fluvirin
Influenza Virus Vaccine

Medeva Pharmaceuticals
1-888-MEDEVA
(716)274-5300
produced using embryonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, polymyxin, thimerosal, betapropiolactone
medium: embryonic fluid (chicken egg)

FluShield
Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A&B

Wyeth-Ayerst
1-800-934-5556
produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, tri(n)butylphosphate, thimerosal
medium: chick embryos

IPOL
Inactivated Polio Vaccine

Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B
medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells

MMR
Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine

Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: M&M - chick embryo
              Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

M-R-Vax
Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: M - chick embryo
                R - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Menomune
Meningococcal Polysaccharide Vaccine

Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using thimerosal, lactose
medium: freeze dried polysaccharride antigens from Neisseria Meningitidis

Meruvax II
Rubella Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Mumpsvax
Mumps Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Orimune
Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent

Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 3 types of attenuated polioviruses, streptomycin, neomycin, calf serum, sorbitol
medium: monkey kidney cell culture

Pneumovax
Pneumococcal Vaccine Polyvalent

Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using phenol and capsular polysaccharides from the 23 most prevalent pneumococcal types

Prevnar
Pneumococcal 7-valent Conjugate Vaccine

Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using Diphtheria CRM197 Protein, capsular antigens of Sreptococcus pneumoniae serotypes 4, 6B, 9V, 14, 18C, 19F, and 23F individually conjugated to Diphtheria CRM197 Protein, soy peptone broth, ammonium sulfate, aluminum phosphate
medium: yeast extract based

Imovax
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed

Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red indicator
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium ethylmercurithiosalicylate (thimerosal), phenol red
medium: fetal rhesus monkey lung cells

Recombivax
Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant

Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide
medium: yeast (residual < 1% yeast protein)

RotaShield
Rotavirus Vaccine, Live, Oral, Tetravalent

Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 1 rhesus monkey rotavirus, 3 rhesus-human reassortant viruses, sucrose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), potassium monophosphate, potassium diphosphate, fetal bovine serum, neomycin sulfate, amphotericin B
medium: fetal rhesus diploid cell line

Varivax
Varicella Virus Vaccine Live

Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sucrose, phosphate, monosodium glutamate, processed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

According to IVAC, (Illinois Vaccine Awareness Coalition 708-848-0116) all vaccines contain monosodium glutamate even if not listed in product insert. According to numerous sources, all vaccines contain thimerosal (mercury). Manufacturers have declared that it is not possible to produce any vaccine without these two components.

Chemical Profiles and Definitions
Sources: EDF (Environmental Defense Fund) & MME (Mosby's Medical Encyclopdia)

Ammonium Sulfate: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
                                neurotoxicant
                                respiratory toxicant

Amphotericin B: MME definintion - "a drug used to treat fungus infections. Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects include blood clots, blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and fever. When used on the skin, allergic reactions can occur."

Aluminum: EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant neurotoxicant respiratory toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6 ranking systems
On at least 2 federal regulatory lists

Beta-Propiolactone: EDF Recognized - carcinogen
                               EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
                                respiratory toxicant
                               skin or sense organ toxicant
                               More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 3 ranking systems
                               On at least 5 federal regulatory lists
                               Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%)to humans

Formaldehyde: EDF Recognized - carcinogen
                       Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
                       immunotoxicant
                       neurotoxicant
                       reproductive toxicant
                       respiratory toxicant
                       skin or sense organ toxicant
                       More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking systems
                       On at least 8 federal regulatory lists
                       Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health

Gentamicin Sulfate: an antibiotic

Hydrolyzed Gelatin: obtained from selected pieces of calf and cattle skins, de-mineralized cattle bones (ossein) and porkskin

Monosodium Glutamate: Normally used as a flavor enhancer in a variety of foods, however, due to concerns expressed by the American Academy of Pediatrics, MSG was removed from all products intended for use in infants under the age of one. Injections of glutamate into laboratory animals have resulted in damage to nerve cells in the brain.

Neomycin: an antibiotic

Phenol : EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant aka Carbolic Acid
           developmental toxicant
           gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
           kidney toxicant
           neurotoxicant
           respiratory toxicant
           skin or sense organ toxicant
           More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 10 ranking systems
           On at least 8 federal regulatory lists

Phenoxyethanol: EDF Suspected - developmental toxicant aka Antifreeze
                         reproductive toxicant
                         Less hazardous than most chemicals in 3 ranking systems

Polyribosylribitol: a component of the Hib bacterium

Polymyxin: an antibiotic

Polysorbate: EDF Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant

Sorbitol: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant
               Less hazardous than most chemicals in 1 ranking system

Streptomycin: an antibiotic

Sucrose: refined sugar

Thimerosal: EDF Recognized - development toxicant
                   Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant

Tri(n)butylphosphate: EDF Suspected - kidney toxicant
                                 neurotoxicant
                                 More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 3 ranking systems
                                 On at least 1 federal regulatory list

   
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: 2Revolutions on February 20, 2008, 02:04:33 pm
Common Children's Vaccine Recalled

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=34&sid=1309140 (http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=34&sid=1309140)

Mercury Rising

http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=13317 (http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=13317)
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: epinlasvegas on February 20, 2008, 02:14:23 pm
I asked the same stuff wondering about getting my first child vaccinated and was labeled a nut trying to poisen children.The only science i got backing things up was outdated.I wonder if all the people telling me i was a baby poisoner even had children.Anyway it's a touchy subject and i'm sure people will start crying about this post as well. ;D
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: 2Revolutions on February 20, 2008, 02:24:07 pm
From CDC a list of ingredients in vaccine

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf)

You should be look some of chemicals online in a google search if you don't where they are.  We are distrustful of the government because programs like the Tuskegee Experiments. 
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Please Wake Up! on February 20, 2008, 02:26:02 pm

"but the news doesn't seem to report shit...and its hard to find f**king sources that say mercury is in the non-flu vaccines....."

Limitgov,

This is a frustrating topic.  I feel your pain.  Let me start off with this (not that it makes me an expert or anything).  I have 3 children.  The first two had their full set of vaccinations (plus some added mercury via flu shots that I got while I was pregnant - gasp).  Anyway, my oldest had two autoimmune diseases by the age of 2.  My middle guy had developmental delays and food allergies.  With my third child, I finally woke up... I stopped vaccinating him at 2 months of age.  He is BY FAR the healthiest of the 3.  He never gets sick.  He's never had any problems... (knocking on wood here)...

Here's a site that you might be interested in looking at - you can click to the side to look at the vaccine ingredients and some information on many vaccinations.  This site is a good source of information.

http://www.nvic.org/

Keep in mind it is not ONLY the mercury in vaccines.  You also need to be very concerned with aluminum, formeldehyde, etc. etc... In fact, just as they supposedly rid the vaccines of mercury (other than flu and other vaccines that only have a "trace" of mercury -- again I say supposedly because we really don't know for sure what is going on) but at that time, they also began recommending more  vaccines that contain aluminum.  So, as they weaned out thimerosal (mercury) in most vaccinations around 2000 - they started to recommend the Prevnar vaccine (as an example) which contains aluminum around the same time.  They also began around that same time to start recommending the flu vaccine to children and pregnant women.  So, on the one hand they are saying that out of extreme caution they are going to remove thimerosal (mercury) from the vaccines ... but then at the same exact time, they start recommending the flu shot WITH MERCURY!  How is that using extreme caution? 

You also need to be very careful with the live virus vaccines - ie MMR and Chicken Pox.  The idea being... if a child's immune system cannot properly function for whatever reason -- but possibly due to toxic exposures including but not limited to other vaccinations -- the body will not be able to properly fight off the "live virus" and the child can have a chronic measles virus in their gut.  They now came up with this bright idea (sarcasm) where they have a combined mmr/chicken pox vaccine which people can get for their kids.  It's called the ProQuad.  They talk it up as being so great so that the kids can have one less shot (because it is a combination)... Of course, what they don't tell you is that the ProQuad uses 10x the amount of the Chicken Pox vaccine as the standard shot... In this debate of whether or not vaccinations trigger neurodevelopmental issues and/or autoimmune diseases... these bozos have no issues suggesting a vaccine which combines the mmr/chicken pox - with 10x the amount of chicken pox vaccine than is necessary?  Sounds brilliant. 


If you are interested in keeping up with the debate you may want to check out www.ageofautism.com .  There you will find articles and up to date information about the goings on in this debate. 

As a word of warning... the pediatricians for the most part ... are completely brainwashed.  Think for yourself.  Do not allow the pediatrician to make decisions for you.  Go into the appointments with the idea that you will not be pushed into getting a certain vaccination.  If anything, hear the doctor out and listen to their recommendations and then make another appointment to come back after you have made your decision after weighing both sides.  I say that because I hear all the time about how parents go in thinking that they aren't going to vaccinate or at least they aren't going to get a certain vaccination but by the end of the appointment the doctor has them scared out of their mind about how their kid is going to get an illness and die and they will be tortured by the guilt, etc. etc... that they end up getting the vaccine out of worry.  By deciding that you will come back after you have weighed the pro's and con's ... this gives you the power to make the decision.  It doesn't give the power to the doctors (who by the way, are told by the CDC that their practices MUST have their patients vaccinated or they get in trouble)... It's a warped system. 


 
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 02:31:27 pm
Did I offend you or something?

no, why?  did i offend you?  i was speaking to your statements and did not take your statements personally.  I apologize if you took mine personally. I was merely pointing out the differences between a mathematical analogy (i.e. if 1+1 = 2, 10+10 = 20 then 4x the shots equals 4x the rate of autism) from a scientific analogy (if chemical x reaches a specific percentage of concentration in liquid y, then a chemical reaction will initiate, any amount below the threshold and the reaction will never occur. Or in health...if you have a certain % of poison x in your body then your chance of fatality increases by 500%, if you do not reach this threshold then the chances of death decrease bu 500%)

I was also pointing out that there are other factors associated with the problem.  Since they lie that there is any mercury, what makes anyone think they may lie about the concentration of mercury and that is may be greater?  I was inviting you to step out of the "CDC wants to help us" mindset and look at all the evidence without their proven manipulation of facts.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: ghardy on February 20, 2008, 02:32:47 pm
"Dr. Sallie Bernard and her colleagues, in a study titled, "Autism: A Unique Type of Mercury Poisoning," describe the speech difficulties, unusual behavior (such as unprovoked crying spells and head banging), various degrees of cognitive impairment, gastrointestinal difficulties, and immune difficulties that these autistic children can have. Mercury is most likely a causative factor in other developmental disorders as well, such as delayed speech and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html)


i try to imagine myself as a child with this disorder.  i cant imagine the personal prison hell they live in.  a hell where they might even be cognizant of thier disability, and bang thier head out of frustration, crying because they know something has happened to them that they cant explain.  simply caught in a state of impairment where thier little brains are short-circuiting, where uncontrollable flashes of synaptic overload invade normalcy.  makes me want to cry.

one way they accomplish the goals of eugenics is making the population unable to procreate...by any means necessary.

Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 02:34:27 pm
I asked the same stuff wondering about getting my first child vaccinated and was labeled a nut trying to poisen children.The only science i got backing things up was outdated.I wonder if all the people telling me i was a baby poisoner even had children.Anyway it's a touchy subject and i'm sure people will start crying about this post as well. ;D

nope all done crying and you were given all the same information (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=24657.0) which is all current up to date, verified, confirmed, and based on facts, testimony, logic, and referencable data.

and many of us have kids, a lot of them.

please watch endgame, they are planning on executing 4 billion humans.  this goes beyond being a personal issue, this is the next 10 generations of death or slavery based on the whims of a few psychopaths at the top.

but I am sure Omnicom, Rendon, and Lincoln will start crying about these facts as well. ;D
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: ghardy on February 20, 2008, 02:41:08 pm
the wierd thing is, is that my dad and i were talking last night...he is unaware of all this information, but simply based on his observations, he had already concluded that eugenics is a plan in the works.  he is unaware of how and when (like now)...that's where i come in.

he said if obame is elected, that is a sign of the endtimes.  he started quoting revelations, and i had to stop him.  chemtrails, vaccines, fluoridation, the camps being built...holy crap.  i wont even bring up 911, because it is irrelevant at this point, but i do plan on slipping it in there by predicting another false flag event before the election, or at least an inaugural event.  i wont mention alex either, because he is just now waking up to whats going on, and dont want to overload him.  when i see how he reacts, i might turn him onto Endgame.

keep up the fight for knowlege.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 02:43:26 pm
I say that because I hear all the time about how parents go in thinking that they aren't going to vaccinate or at least they aren't going to get a certain vaccination but by the end of the appointment the doctor has them scared out of their mind about how their kid is going to get an illness and die and they will be tortured by the guilt, etc. etc... that they end up getting the vaccine out of worry.  By deciding that you will come back after you have weighed the pro's and con's ... this gives you the power to make the decision.  It doesn't give the power to the doctors (who by the way, are told by the CDC that their practices MUST have their patients vaccinated or they get in trouble)... It's a warped system.
thats probably because they didn't have evidence to backup there claims....
thats why I know its imprtant to read up as much as I can before I confront our peditrician....he's really good I think....kind of old school guy....
but like my wife points out....people in the medical field hear from people who think they know better all the time....
some might...but some might not....
if you have evidence to backup your claims then you should have very little problems...

I appreciate your post.
That is really concerning about your kids...
i have a two year old and unfortunately he has had all of his vaccines so far....
which seems like a waste to me...because he stays at home with us....he's not even in day care....

once I started listening to Alex....and I learned that there might be mercury in them....I posed this question to my wife
if our kids don't even goto daycare, then why the hell take the risk of getting all these vaccines?
why not get them later?
she didn't have a good answer....
but she did make a good point....she said with all the mercury that was probably in the vaccines in the old days when we got vaccinated....why wasn't there a huge breakout of autism....
I had no good response...
now...thanks to some posters....
in the lewrockwell article....which is the best article so far i have seen on the subject....
says there was a breakout in 1981....1 in 2 thousand something....
and several posters here made a good point...nmore vaccines equal more mercury....
but I have yet to see an article that confirms there is mercury in non flu vaccines....

but now...you're saying look out for aluminium and flomederhyde....
is the alumiumum called by another name?
like mercury = thirmorsal....

the fustrating thing is...with two little kids I barely have any time to read stuff on the internet...much less take up an hour a day searching....
thanks for all the links...I will continue to come back here and read trhem all....
including the two videos Sane posted....

Sane...I hope you realize now, I'm not some brainwashed liberal.......I'm a pissed off libertarian....

I just need to take things one step at a a time......
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: epinlasvegas on February 20, 2008, 02:52:31 pm
nope all done crying and you were given all the same information (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=24657.0) which is all current up to date, verified, confirmed, and based on facts, testimony, logic, and referencable data.

and many of us have kids, a lot of them.

please watch endgame, they are planning on executing 4 billion humans.  this goes beyond being a personal issue, this is the next 10 generations of death or slavery based on the whims of a few psychopaths at the top.

but I am sure Omnicom, Rendon, and Lincoln will start crying about these facts as well. ;D
I watched engame.that is why i converted.I have shared Engame with the cops and PSD guys i train with.Most if not all are believers now and where before i showed it to them.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 02:55:11 pm

Sane...I hope you realize now, I'm not some brainwashed liberal.......I'm a pissed off libertarian....

I just need to take things one step at a a time......



I would invite you into a different mindset.  just like we now know there is a military indusrial complex willing to control all communications related to the truth about illegal wars.  Wars that get started by manipulating the entire country's psyche.  Wars that execute over one million innocent people including 50% children and babies for power and control.  Wars that leave over one million US soldiers with Depleated Uranium poisoning and over 5,000 dead, over 100,000 permanently injured.

Perhaps there is a Healthcare Industrial Complex (HIC) that includes the FDA, DEA, CDC, AMA, NIH, UN, Gates Foundation, etc.  The objective of the HIC may be to continue the path of Eugenics and Auto Genocide.  This character seems to be a good example of the type of people making crucial decisions in the HIC:


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http://agermanlife.blogspot.com/
Monday, June 18, 2007
Miami Herald Features A German Life

Posted on Tue, Jun. 19, 2007
Doctor's secret: A Nazi father, now a Jew by choice
BY JOHN DORSCHNER
Bernd Wollschlaeger has two stories to tell.
First, he's a former

officer in the Israel Defense Forces
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a physician who developed
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expertise in biological warfare.
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He lives in Miramar, runs a family practice in North Miami Beach, has become a...

legislative leader of the

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American Medical Association


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...and is active in local Jewish causes. Now, at 49, he has decided to tell ``my coming-out story.'' It is this: He was born the Christian son of a World War II German tank commander --

a third-generation warrior who received Deutschland's highest military honor,
the Iron Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Cross)
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[later he exposed it was the Knight's Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight's_Cross_of_the_Iron_Cross), a higher honor],
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which was pinned on his uniform by Adolf Hitler himself.
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As a teenager, Bernd studied the Nazis and the Holocaust and was repelled by what he learned. Ultimately, he converted to Judaism and moved to Israel. ''This was, and is, very difficult to deal with,'' he said. ``I never saw my father again.'' But recently, after telling his children about his father, he started talking -- first at Hillel Community Day School, where his two eldest children attend. Now, he has created a website -- AGer manLife.com -- and plans to publish a book under that name. ''He is an amazing individual,'' said Brian Siegal, executive director of the American Jewish Committee's local chapter, where Wollschlaeger was elected to the regional board. ``He's gone through an amazing self-reflection and contributes greatly to the work we are doing.'' For years, he kept his past secret, not even telling his first wife, a Jew he met in Israel -- an omission that, when revealed, seriously damaged the marriage.''I lied, plain and simple,'' he said. 'I was ashamed of my past, and it wasn't something that you could work easily into a conversation in Israel. `My father was a Wehrmacht officer.' That's definitely a party pooper.''

`A TRAGIC FIGURE'
Here is Wollschlaeger's story, based on interviews, e-mails and a manuscript of his book: Growing up in Bamberg, a small town in Bavaria, Bernd came to view his father, Arthur, as a brooding drunk whose life had been shattered by the Nazis' defeat. ''I think he was a tragic figure. He got caught up in a system. Then his whole notion of the world collapsed,'' Wollschlaeger said. Arthur had been educated at NAPOLA, the elite Nazi training academy. He never joined the Nazi Party, but he embraced Hitler's vision of making Germany great again. Arthur won the Iron Cross for a tank charge in Poland. He was wounded five times during the war -- the last an open head wound from a grenade. After the defeat, he spent a year in a U.S. prison camp. Eventually, he became a government bureaucrat, but his life was never the same. At home, he drank a lot and talked proudly about his Iron Cross, while brushing off other aspects of the Hitler era. ''Son, I have told you everything you need to know.'' Sometimes old army buddies dropped by for long bouts of booze during which they sang Deutschland üeber alles and Die Fahne hoch, the Nazi Party anthem. From an early age, Bernd didn't like his father's authoritarian bearing and his parents' insistence on obedience. After Palestinian terrorists killed 11 Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics, a teacher told Wollschlaeger's class that the Israelis ``brought it upon themselves. . . . Some people believe that they are special and too powerful and, in my opinion, they are.'' Wollschlaeger, then 14, thought that was an odd response to a slaughter, and he didn't understand when some people said, ``Not again.''

THE HOLOCAUST
He knew the Nazis had put Jews in concentration camps and that some had been murdered. ``But had no idea about the industrialized and sophisticated killing machine designed to systematically exterminate an entire ethnic group.'' He began reading everything he could find on Jews and Israel. His parents noticed. ''Why are you so preoccupied about their suffering?'' his mother, Elizabeth, asked him. ``Jews were not the only ones who died in the war. Have you forgotten what I told you about our suffering? We lost everything and had to start all over.'' In 1979, as Wollschlaeger was starting college, the American TV series Holocaust was shown in Germany. 'My father's reaction was predictable. `Nobody in this house will watch this program,' he yelled. 'This is just another smear campaign by those Jews in Hollywood, and we don't have to listen to their lies.' '' But another time, Arthur admitted that on the Eastern front he had seen ``cattle cars filled with civilians, mostly women and children.'' Still, he insisted to his son that he learned the extent of the killing only after the war. Writes Wollschlaeger: ``This was hard to believe, and I recognized that even in retrospect, my father was camouflaging what he knew.'' At a peace conference in Germany organized by Israeli and Palestinian young people, Wollschlaeger heard their stories and decided he had to make a trip to Israel to see for himself. His father thought that was a ``ridiculous idea.'' But his mother gave him the money for the trip and asked him to deliver a prayer for her in Israel. Wollschlaeger later wondered whether his maternal ancestors had been Jewish. But his mother, now dead, never said. On the morning of the trip in 1978, Wollschlaeger's father drove him to the railroad station. When he arrived in Jerusalem, he went to the Western Wall, sometimes called the Wailing Wall. He slipped the prayer his mother had requested between stones.

``After doing so, I closed my eyes to pray for her soul. I forgot the world around me and imagined the thousands of people who had prayed at this very spot over the centuries. ``I lost sense of time and place and prayed with a fervor I had never felt before. I was weeping and I felt the divine presence in me.'' He continued his quest for understanding Judaism and Israel. He had been baptized a Catholic, but religion had not been practiced in his household. He viewed Christianity as cold and abstract. The more he read about Judaism, the more he was impressed with its depths. In medical school, he sought to talk to a rabbi about converting. The small Jewish community remaining was suspicious of his motives. ''Please understand that I cannot encourage you to convert,'' the rabbi told him. ''Actually, I should discourage you, because Judaism does not proselytize.'' Still, the rabbi offered to help him learn. He studied for 10 years. Finally, as he was finishing med school, Wollschlaeger convinced Jewish teachers of his sincerity. He was ready for conversion. Because so few religious leaders were left in Germany, he had to travel to Switzerland for a mohel to perform his circumcision and to France for the immersion in the ritual bath or Mikveh. After passing his medical exams, he celebrated with his classmates. Then, while somewhat inebriated, he went to find his parents, who were having dinner at a restaurant. He told them about his conversion and his conclusion that to lead a full Jewish life he needed to move to Israel, because there were so few Jews left in Germany. ''I am losing my only son,'' his father said bitterly.

LIFE IN ISRAEL
In Israel, he started taking classes in Hebrew while working in a kibbutz that raised bananas. His father regularly sent letters. Wollschlaeger refused to open them. Six months after he arrived, his sister told him that his father was dead. He had been diagnosed with cancer and ``chose not to receive treatment.'' Only then did Wollschlaeger open the letters. In the last, his father wrote that he had removed Bernd from his will and asked that he not attend his funeral. Eventually, Wollschlaeger married a New York woman who also had emigrated to Israel, and they had a son. After Iraq's Scud missile attacks on Tel Aviv and Haifa during the first Gulf War, she had had enough of the danger, and in 1991, they moved to South Florida, where she had relatives. They had a second child, a daughter, but the pressure of the move and other factors ended the marriage. In 1999, he married a Hispanic Catholic. They have a daughter, who has been baptized. ''She's being raised in a Jewish-Catholic environment. When she's old enough, she will make her own decision,'' Wollschlaeger said. Over time, he told his children bits and pieces of his past, and it was son Tal who started telling others. ''One day, we were learning about the Holocaust at school,'' Tal said, 'and the teacher asked, `Was anyone's family in the Holocaust?' And I raised my hand and said, 'My grandfather was a Nazi.' I was the class clown and everybody thought I was kidding.'' Wollschlaeger spoke to the class and has kept speaking about his past to selected groups, even appearing on a WLRN show, but he rarely discusses it in the healthcare field, where he is a maverick.

While many doctors are political conservatives, Wollschlaeger drives a Honda Accord with a Barack Obama bumper sticker. For his practice, he rented an office in a blue-collar area of North Miami Beach. ``I did not choose medicine to get rich.'' In Jewish causes, he has gone on solidarity missions to Israel with American Jewish Committee leaders and was elected to the regional board of the Anti-Defamation League, dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism. ''He wants justice to be served in the world,'' said Andrew Rosenkranz, the league's regional director. ``He's an extraordinarily kind-hearted man.'' Seeking closure on his past, Wollschlaeger recently traveled to Germany and met his sister for the first time in 18 years. She remains ''incredulous'' at his decision. ``In her perception, I destroyed the family.'' He submitted a manuscript of A German Life to several publishers and was rejected. He is now planning to self-publish a limited edition and hopes to connect with a major publisher. He acknowledges that all children are shaped by their parents in some way. From his dad, he says, he learned ``to be disciplined in everything I do and stubbornness.'' He also inherited his father's weakness for alcohol. ''I was a happy drunk. I stopped because I wanted to be a good father.'' He has been in recovery for 12 years and is trained to be a specialist in treating addicts. Earlier this year, he was elected president of the Florida Society of Addiction Medicine. ``I learned what my father didn't learn.'' Posted by Bernd Wollschlaeger at 10:16 PM 0 comments
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UPDATE: His father received the Knight's Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight's_Cross_of_the_Iron_Cross).  There were less than 7,500 Knight's Crosses given in the history of Nazi Germany.  It is a much rarer medal than the Iran Cross and it was pinned by Hitler.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 03:00:41 pm
Perhaps there is a Healthcare Industrial Complex (HIC) that includes the FDA, DEA, CDC, AMA, NIH, UN, Gates Foundation, etc.  The objective of the HIC maybe to continue the path of Eugenics and Auto Genocide.  This character seems to be a good example of the type of people making crucial decisions in the HIC:

You don't think Bill Gates would knowingly contribute to somethign like this, do you?
I don';t think he would.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 03:06:55 pm
You don't think Bill Gates would knowingly contribute to somethign like this, do you?
I don';t think he would.


From: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=12445.msg67074
Quote
In 1999, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation gave 2.2 billion to Planned Parenthood, the United Nation's Population Fund and other population reduction groups. By 2007 the Gates had given more than 30 billion dollars almost exclusively to Population Control Groups. The controlled corporate press cynically reported that the Gates were giving the money to help 3rd World children. Bill and Melinda Gates were dethroned as the most generous philanthropists when their friend, and fellow population reduction enthusiast, Warren Buffet, gave 37 billion to fund an army of Population Control Groups.


More...
Mercury, Immunizations and the Global Vaccine Agenda
http://www.akha.org/content/vaccinations/autismtetanus.pdf
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 03:11:14 pm
I was just thinking about something....my wife has filings....
they are the silver colored metal ones.....
I'm not sure if they are amalgams or not....but if they are, that means she'd be taking in alot of mercury...according to that awesome article by lewrockwell.....
if that were true and she's been taking in all this mercury and my oldest son has had most of his vaccines up to 2 years.....you'd think his chances of devloping something would be really high, right?
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 03:15:34 pm
I was just thinking about something....my wife has filings....
they are the silver colored metal ones.....
I'm not sure if they are amalgams or not....but if they are, that means she'd be taking in alot of mercury...according to that awesome article by lewrockwell.....
if that were true and she's been taking in all this mercury and my oldest son has had most of his vaccines up to 2 years.....you'd think his chances of devloping something would be really high, right?

That was the argument that the pharmaceutical companies finally used to dissuade all of the scientific evidence years ago.

It conforms to the standards of a disinformation COINTELPRO argument (link 2 seemingly similar pieces of information together even though there is no scientific connection), but does not conform to rational, scientific explanations of injecting mercury into the blood stream so it gets pumped by your heart to enter your brain.  I doubt that mercury fillings in teeth are an optimum way to rid your body of poison, but injecting the mercury into the blood stream so that it can shoot up into the brain of your infant child seems a bt more traumatic.  But who knows, ask your doctor.

Also this is a huge source of information on the dental question (and the Lew Rockwell article you mentioned has information too).

Dental AMALGAM and Mercury
by Birgit Calhoun
(http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/mercury.jpg)
[Pic grabbed from the LR article]
Quem Mercurius perdere vult, dementat prius (Alfred Stock, ca. 1926)
[Originally: Quos deus perdere vult, dementat prius (Publilius Syrius, ca. 43 B.C.)]
(Summer 2001 - Fall 2002)
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=104341

This is interesting that I did not know:

In some countries dental amalgam is classified as a medicine. If that were the case in the United States it would be subject to many more regulations than it is now. As far as the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations is concerned amalgam is a prosthetic device and not a drug:
Amalgam Alloy, (a) Identification. An amalgam alloy is a device that consists of a metallic substance intended to be mixed with mercury to form filling material for treatment of dental caries. (b) Classification. Class II (21 CFR 872.3050 (2001)).


More good info:

The extreme toxicity of dimethyl mercury is brought home in the WETTERHAHN LABORATORY POISONING CASE: FINAL MEDICAL REPORT http://www-ehs.ucsd.edu/lab/dimethylmercury_poisoning.htm , "Dimethyl Mercury Poisoning" (New England J. Med. 4 Jun 98 338:1672)(Science-Week 26 Jun 98), which describes the death of a scientist from mercury poisoning. Karen Wetterhahn spilled only a few drops of the liquid on her latex-gloved hands. Methylated mercury is relevant in the discussion of amalgam because under certain circumstances the mercury from amalgam may be methylated (Heintze, U., Edwardsson, S., Derand, T. and Birkhed, D.: "Methylation of Mercury From Dental Amalgam and Mercuric Chloride by Oral Streptococci in Vitro." Scand. J. Dental Research 91(2) 150-152, 1983; Yamada, Tonomura: "Formation of Methyl Mercury Compounds from Inorganic Mercury by Chlostridium cochlearium," J Ferment Technol 1972 50:159-166, and Field study on the mercury content of saliva, by P.Krauß and M. Deyhle*, K.H. Maier, E. Roller, H.D. Weiß, Ph. Clédon).

The Canadian Edmonton Journal, March 27, 2001, states in its headline: "Mercury Fillings Toxic -- Report U of C Researchers Say 'Visual Evidence' Brain Cells Affected," by Robert Walker. The article further states:
New research vividly demonstrating the damage mercury has on brain cells -- in concentrations seen in people with amalgam fillings -- was published by University of Calgary medical school researchers Monday...Drs. Fritz Lorscheider and Naweed Syed's research, published in the British journal, NeuroReport, is supported by a time-lapse video showing how brain cells die within 10 minutes when they are exposed to mercury in minute concentrations...


Owen Hamill summarizes Lorscheider/Syed in an article "Mercury induced growth cone collapse: another reason for flossing" (NeuroReport 2001;12:A23) saying
...evidence indicates that mercury vapor is continuously released from tooth fillings where it is breathed in by the lungs and converted into mercuric ions. Although there is no debate on the toxic effects of high concentrations of mercury (i.e. associated with urinary concentrations > 50 µg/l), a challenge exists to demonstrate more subtle, preclinical effects associated with chronic low level mercury exposure in the general population with fillings. At least consistent with this notion is the study published in this issue [5] showing that exposure to mercury concentrations of < 0.1 M results in rapid (i.e. within 10 min) retraction of growth cones in snail neurons and is correlated with disruption of microtubules. Interestingly, the authors point out that similar disruption of microtubules is associated with Alzheimer's disease. These recent findings give added impetus for the development and implementation of alternative materials for fillings and may provide parents with added ammunition in teaching their children to floss.
(Christopher C. W. Leong; Naweed I. Syed; Fritz L. Lorscheider CA "Retrograde degeneration of neurite membrane structural integrity of nerve growth cones following in vitro exposure to mercury, Neuroreport 2001;12:733-737).

Significantly
...the other metals [also present in amalgam] – aluminum, lead, cadmium and manganese – did not produce this type of degeneration.


A news item in the Calgary Gazette provides further information about the study in which the researchers added mercury ions to snail neuron cell cultures, which were subsequently observed to degenerate rapidly. Fritz Lorscheider (physiology and biophysics) elaborates: "Our study illustrates how mercury ions alter the cell membrane structure of developing neurons. This discovery provides visual evidence of our previous findings that mercury produces a molecular lesion in the brain." (University of Calgary Gazette on the Web, April 2, 2001, "Researchers present evidence of mercury’s effect on brain neurons," April 2, 2001, Lorscheider, Syed, Leong).

The first reported cases of methyl mercury poisoning occurred in 1863:
A 30 year-old male who had been exposed to dimethyl mercury for three months "complained of numbness of the hands, deafness, poor vision and sore gums...[He was] unable to stand without support," although no motor palsy was detected. His condition rapidly worsened; he became restless and comatose within a week and died 2 weeks after the onset of symptoms. Another victim was a 23-year-old laboratory technician who had been working in the laboratory for 12 months, although he had handled dimethyl mercury for only 2 weeks.


He complained of sore gums, salivation, numbness of the feet, hands and tongue, deafness and dimness of vision. He answered questions only very slowly and with indistinct speech... Three weeks later he had difficulty in swallowing and was unable to speak... [He] was often restless and violent. He remained in a confused state and died of pneumonia 12 month after the onset of symptoms (from Environmental Health Perspectives, Vol. 104, Supplement 2, April 1996).

These two men had obviously been affected very severely. Milder cases outside of a mercury-laden environment would not have gotten much attention at a time when death from an infectious disease was so common and would probably be the suspected reason for a person's demise. The toxicity of mercury could be seen much more easily in context with a known mercury environment. In addition metallic toxins were ubiquitous. People still ate from pewter plates. Houses were painted with lead paint. People boiled tea water in copper kettles. All those metals are now known to be poisonous. The comparative symptoms of poisoning from the various heavy metals are remarkably similar and mercury was just one of them. There were no blood or urine tests, yet, sensitive enough to positively mark one or the other metal as the greater culprit for the symptoms at hand.

It is not known at which point mercury is not toxic any more. Mercury works at the molecuar level. At which point can it be said that no damage occurs? 150 years ago it was common for people to complain about symptoms of all sorts and it was even more common to label someone a hypochondriac.

All that said, already over a hundred years ago there existed reports and studies concerning the dangers of mercury from amalgam. The ADA cannot claim that amalgam has always, and by everyone, been considered to be harmless. The dentist E. S. Talbot writes in 1883:
The subject of mercurial poisoning from the use of amalgam fillings in decayed teeth, has given rise to numberless articles, and has been a source of discussion in dental societies since its introduction into this country. Symptoms of mercurial poisoning have manifested themselves in cases where these amalgams have been employed, causing the scientific members of the profession to investigate these fillings, to determine if these symptoms are due to the mercury contained in its composition. Nor is this investigation confined to men of science; the ordinary practitioner is constantly meeting these symptoms, and by careful observation will be able to diagnose these cases when met with. I will mention two cases which have come under my notice. ("Injurious Effects of Mercury as Used in Dentistry", MISSOURI DENT J, 15:124-30, March, 1883)
The article describes two cases of amalgam poisoning. It also describes the tests Talbot performed to prove that mercury constantly leaks from amalgams and that cockroaches exposed to mercury from amalgam died after inhaling the emanating mercury.

In those days the question of recognizing amalgam toxicity would have had to depend on an observant dentist who was aware of the dangers of mercury or on the rare truly fulminant cases that forced the dying patient to see a doctor. But even doctors were not always aware that their patients' symptoms were the symptoms of mercury poisoning since the medicines doctors commonly prescribed for baby's teething pains, kidney problems, syphilis, and constipation contained mercury (Calomel, mercuric chloride, teething powder, mercuro-chrome, Blue Mass). What was perscribed as a cure resulted in side effects, which were sometimes worse than the cure. Depression--then called melancholia--and all the other numerous symptoms that were lumped together and called "hypochondriasis" were considered less problematic because the chance of dying from an untreated illness was much greater in those days. President Lincoln, who was thought to be such a complainer, regularly took "Blue Mass." This medicine contained mercury according to an article in Perspectives in Biology and Medicine 44.3 (2001) 315-33: "Abraham Lincoln's Blue Pills, Did our 16th President Suffer from Mercury Poisoning?" by Norbert Hirschhorn, Robert G. Feldman, and Ian A. Greaves, also summarized in National Geographic Magazine - National Geographic News: "Did Mercury in 'Little Blue Pills' Make Abraham Lincoln Erratic?" by Hillary Mayell for National Geographic News, July 17, 2001.

All that said, it was very unlikely that those people who had only had a whiff of mercury would have known, that those vapors had affected them enough to make them sick. By the time the mercury started to show symptoms, they would have forgotten about the exposure to it and assumed that they had fallen ill because of some infectious agent. Mercury is insidious because one symptom of mercury poisoning is short term memory loss. So, how were they going to tell the doctor--in the rare event that he might have asked--about what they had taken when they couldn't even remember? Karen Wetterhahn, who knew what she was working with and did remember, did not feel that she was poisoned until months after her deadly exposure. She knew that she was working with a very dangerous substance. The New England Journal of Medicine reported that it took at least 90 days before any symptoms arose. It took nearly five months (154 days) for the 48 year-old scientist to complain about neurological symptoms which brought her to the hospital.

Supposing twenty years ago a child broke a fever thermometer. She picked up a bubble of mercury from the floor and ate it. The girl's younger brother watched and inhaled some of the vapor. Or, supposing a dentist's two-year old grandson sneaked into the office where amalgam had just been mixed and inserted into a patient's mouth. The child inhaled the still lingering vapor. And, supposing a young woman, somewhat compromised in her calcium intake because she didn't drink milk, needed fillings in her teeth. She also needed a root canal because she had been eating sweets almost all her life without brushing her teeth.

The little girl had no known ill effects from ingesting the beads of mercury, and it may seem far fetched to blame such a small amount of mercury mercury vapor for the Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder her brother later experienced. The reason why the little girl was not affected as much can be explained with the fact that metallic mercury goes through the system and is absorbed only minimally. On the other hand, our knowledge of what a small amount of tobacco smoke does should alert us to not be casual about what a small amount of mercury vapor might do. A puff of smoke here and there (passive smoke) from another person's cigarette is also only a very small amount of smoke. And yet, the cumulative puffs have been known to cause lung cancer. Note! There is one important difference between tobacco smoke and mercury. It is visible and easily detectable by its smell and mercury vapor is not.

Nothing happened to the boys at the time when they inhaled the vapors. However, years later when they were young adults, they came down with Multiple Sclerosis. About the young woman who had a root canal done, which was filled with amalgam, she did not know that she had been given mercury. The dentist who had performed the then (1965) new procedure did not know that a root canal should never be filled with mercury amalgam and thus set into action a process that would cause the woman to suffer pain and several surgeries nearly thirty years later.

Root canals should not be filled with amalgam! Here is why: A root canal may eventually turn into a bone cyst, also called cavitation. Bacteria, trapped at the tip of the root, remain--despite all precautions --after the root canal is filled. The anaerobic bacteria multiply. The only place they can go is into the jaw bone. There they may cause the bone to erode. It becomes necrotic. The bacteria, which cannot be eradicated easily with antibiotics because the blood does not circulate very well through bone, could then convert the accessible mercury from amalgam into methylated mercury. This can continually be dispersed into the blood stream, possibly through osmosis. It seems methyl mercury seeps through tissues fairly easily. (It entered Karen Wetterhahn's system through Latex gloves and the skin). Furthermore mercury helps the bacteria to survive better because it compromises the immune system. Thus the mercury indirectly causes the cavitation to get bigger and bigger. What makes the situation worse is that cavitations are not visible in x-rays, and they may remain painless for many years because the nerves do not reach into the bone and tell the person that something is wrong. (Scand. J. Dental Research 91(2) 150-152, 1983). The patient only notices the problem when the cyst finally gets large enough and breaks through to the outside or comes in contact with nerves.

Another explanation for the erosion of bone is given in a web site about osteonecrosis/osteomyelitis, which when it happens to the mandible and maxilla is also called Phossy Jaw or Maxillofacial Osteonecrosis. This condition used to be very common in the 19th cntury. It is a condition where the bone dies due to "intramedullary ischemia and infarction." The ischemia is thought to have resulted from "environmental pollutants, such as lead and the phosphorus used in safety matches, as well as from popular medications containing mercury, arsenic or bismuth."
Maxillofacial Osteonecrosis of the maxillofacial region is not new to dentistry. During the pre-antibiotic era "phossy jaw" and other forms of "chemical osteomyelitis" resulted from environmental pollutants, such as lead and the phosphorus used in safety matches, as well as from popular medications containing mercury, arsenic or bismuth.[23-29] This disease was well established by 1867, did not often occur in individuals with good gingival health, and appeared to "attack" the mandible first.[25] It was associated with localized or generalized deep ache or pain, often of multiple jawbone sites. The teeth often appeared sound and suppuration was not present. Even so, the dentist often began extracting one tooth after another in the region of pain, often with temporary relief but usually to no real effect.[24] Occasionally, large fragments of necrotic bone would come out with the tooth, sometimes involving much of an entire quadrant, as depicted in the figure at the top of this page. Apparently, Lorinser of Vienna in 1845 was the first to call attention to the problem.[25]

( http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/NICOhistory.html#History, and http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/NICO1v55.html#Why)
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: limitgov on February 20, 2008, 03:16:38 pm

From: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=12445.msg67074

More...
Mercury, Immunizations and the Global Vaccine Agenda
http://www.akha.org/content/vaccinations/autismtetanus.pdf


are there any other things they donated to besides abortion places?

Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: David Rothscum on February 20, 2008, 03:26:18 pm
are there any other things they donated to besides abortion places?


Anything that reduces the world's population... :(
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=16028.msg59959#msg59959

By the way, on the vaccines issue, here's something relevant I came across:
http://capwiz.com/a-champ/issues/alert/?alertid=8519116&queueid=633765701
A new study published today (3/1/06) shows that the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDs) in children has decreased following removal of thimerosal, a preservative containing the neurotoxin mercury, from American childhood vaccines. The study, published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, a peer reviewed journal, by Dr. Mark Geier and David Geier examined two independent databases maintained by the government – one national and one state. The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database maintained by the Centers for Disease Control and the Californian Department of Developmental Services (CDDS) database each showed the same downward trend for the period from 2002 through 2005. According to the study “[t]he results indicate that the trends in newly diagnosed NDs correspond directly with the expansion and subsequent contraction of the cumulative mercury dose to which children were exposed from [thimerosal-containing vaccines] through the U.S. immunization schedule.”

The study examined the trend for cases of autism during the period beginning 1994 and ending 2002 compared with the period from 2002 to June, 2005. The trends for increases and decreases of cases of autism found in the VAERS national database were consistent with the trends found in the CDDC California database. Most significantly, in each database the increasing and decreasing trends correlate with the time that the exposure to thimerosal through the immunization schedule was increased and then decreased after removal of mercury containing vaccines. “The consistency of the effects observed for the spectrum of NDs, including autism and speech disorders, and the agreement between the observations from two separate databases, support the conclusion that the effect is real and not a chance observation.” The study found that the magnitude of the change in the decreasing trend of cases was significant after removal of mercury from vaccines. Data from the U.S. Department of Education, a third database, showed a recent decrease of autism diagnoses that is consistent with the findings in the two databases.

The authors show that the biological plausibility of their statistical findings is supported by recent toxicological and molecular studies that reveal the mechanism by which mercury from vaccines can cause damage to the developing brains of children. A recent study by researchers at the University of Washington has shown that ethylmercury from thimerosal in vaccines can cross from the bloodstream into the brain in toxic amounts which can remain in brain tissue for many years. This finding contradicted the untested view about the toxicity of ethylmercury in vaccines that prevailed in public health for 75 years. Other researchers have shown that minute concentrations of mercury, far lower than previously believed and far less than other toxins such as lead, can destroy neurons and damage DNA within hours of exposure. Such low levels of mercury, which likely are reached in infant brains via vaccine thimerosal exposure, can disrupt cell signaling and metabolic pathways necessary for normal brain development. Studies in mice, rabbits, monkeys, rats and other animals support these findings. Further studies in children have found evidence of mercury toxicity, metabolic disruption and oxidative stress that is consistent with the author’s statistical findings that thimerosal in vaccines causes autism and developmental disorders.

The authors point out that their finding that the VAERS and CDDS databases show strong associations between thimerosal containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders completely contradicts the 2004 findings contained in a report published by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences – which was based on data controlled exclusively by the Center for Disease Control’s National Immunization Program and unavailable to outside researchers. In arguing that their study’s findings justify additional research the authors point out that the handling of vaccine safety data by the Centers for Disease Control has been called into serious question in a 2005 report published by the Institute of Medicine.

You can view and download a pdf file containing the new study, “Early Downward Trends in Neurodevelopmental Disorders Following Removal of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines” by clicking here. It is being published today in Volume 11, Number 1, Spring 2006 of the peer-reviewed Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Dig on February 20, 2008, 03:28:46 pm
are there any other things they donated to besides abortion places?

I think a "google search" would give you some info, there are about 10 threads on this forum about him.  If you want to get into a specific discussion about Bill Gates, that is fine but I would think it would be off topic and have little to do with your child and the fact that the more vaccines he gets the greater the risk of autism according to these hundreds of sources.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: shirteesdotnet on February 20, 2008, 05:31:32 pm
My wife works in the medical field...and said...you better know what you're talking about....you are going to look foolish if it doesn't have thermosal in it, and the Doctor will probably note that you're a parent who is going to cause trouble.
She said in some cases the doctor will actually refuse to see patients if they become too confrontational...

I agree with this. My mom has lung cancer and she told them she doesnt believe in chemo, especially if it only helps 10% of lung patients... her doctor (who is now advertising on the radio here in Los Angeles from City of Hope) slammed his folders on the desk and told my parents if they didnt want his surgery, chemo and radiation, they might as well just leave. My parents were more than happy to!

Limit... I dont have kids yet but when my wife and I do soon, we wont be getting them vaccinated. Here is why...

One of my brothers has two daughters. They are 5 and 7. Both of them were lively and busy bodies before they reached 18 months, after 18 months they became quiet, introverted, docile, and very obedient. Rather boring children now IMO.

My niece is in the Marines and was in theater, played soccer (scored 17 goals in 10 games her last season), and was extremely vocal. She thought the Marines was her thing to do and after all the vaccines shes been injected with the last 2 years, she is now tranquil, boring, doesnt care about anything in life anymore (7 of her 30 boot camp friends being killed in Iraq dont help), but I notice she is a drastically different person now. She just had a baby and of course the Marines are administering the vaccination shots on the baby. Over a year old and the baby went from smiling to completely expressionless now. I cant get her baby to smile for the life of me. Her kid cant even walk either. Somethings not right and it started with the damn vaccine shots she had right around 6 months.

I have a neighbor two houses from me who is a principal of a local school. This girl is my age.. early thirties. I told her about the treats of mercury in vaccines when she told me she now has an entire first and second grade of autistic kids. The schools are separating them from normal kids. She told me Im crazy and there is no link between mercury, vaccines and autism. She said the CDC came in and gave her and other teachers pamphlets on it all and warned them of crazy people like me! She also said people like Jenny McCarthy "dont help" her at all, especially when parents are worried.

Two whole classes now of autistic kids? CDC telling the principal and other teachers to be wary of "people like me"? Im just a regular guy trying to make it in life and am concerned about what enters my and my wifes body. Let alone our babies some day.

I also told her to be careful about the fluoride our city just started putting into our water supply and listed a number of reasons to stay clear of fluoride and she said "ooooo we all better get our tin foil hats". This lady is so f**king brainwashed. I cant even imagine her being a teacher, let alone principal. She is so eff'ing brain dead.

I send fluoride and mercury news to another neighbor who is friends with this girl, and hopefully they get forwarded to her, but I dont really know for sure. I hope so. Its always better to side with caution anyhow.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: ghardy on February 20, 2008, 08:11:12 pm
i am not sure if he would, but when you have billions of dollars, does your perspective change?

also, when you have billions, do you know where half your money is?  how much influence does melinda wield?  i guessing quite a bit.

he's not old money, but im sure that he is on the IN.


Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: Dig on February 21, 2008, 12:14:09 am
i am not sure if he would, but when you have billions of dollars, does your perspective change?

also, when you have billions, do you know where half your money is?  how much influence does melinda wield?  i guessing quite a bit.

he's not old money, but im sure that he is on the IN.




actually his father is connected to Rockefeller.  it is somewhere in this forum, i have been trying to find it.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: SlaveState on February 21, 2008, 12:42:27 am
I know a woman who has two "autistic" boys. I had not seen her since before she was pregnant and I ran into her in the mall and had heard from a friend that she has kids now. I congratulated her and asked her how they were doing.

She told me they were both autistic and then went on to say they seemed pretty normal until they were just about two. I said, "let me guess, just after their second major round of vaccines?" She said yes and began to cry, she said she saw the changes immediately.

If you're giving your kids shots...
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: HEX on February 21, 2008, 03:11:06 am
The flu shot has mercury. While they claim others dont, mercury is still used in the manufacturing of. There is no reason any adult should get a measles vaccine. If they cant get you on flu, theyll get you on something, the vaccine program has been vamped up like crazy lately.
Man, I swear, you guys need to do some of your own research instead of being spoon fed, ALL of it is on the forums, all of it.
Heres MSM 15 days ago claiming that mercury from vaccines is 'gone' from a baby in 3.5 days, in vaccines they claim HAVE NO mercury, ok?
Heard of doublespeak?
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN30505454
Do you get it that mercury is killing your kids and the MSM is lying and that there is a Eugenics program to dumb you and them down for life?
Ok.
limitgov- i feel your pain and likely this post was moved so you cant even find it. Women are afraid, its a newborn. Children can receive more than 35 vaccines and more boosters in the first few years. Sont buy the vaccine thing, but research! Pm me. Ill send you to the right links, I dont thimnk you can even find your thread.

LOL, settle down for God sakes! I did not say I believed them, I just said that's what they where reporting. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. I knew those claims where bullshit from the get go, that's why I posted it...
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Sonja on February 21, 2008, 02:46:24 pm
sorry Hex!
 This is a great site that explains much more than mercury as dangerous for childhood vaccines: http://www.trackingvaccinations.com/
It tells about vaccines damaging neural myelin which is not grown until 2 y/o, why vaccines open children up to allergies, it also talks about a connection with SIDS, because Diptheria is present in all pediatric vaccines to make them work, this means major overdose and immune onslaught as much as twice a week in infancy to toddler. Plenty of numbers but written well for a lay person.
They have some stats, in most countries vaccinations before 2 y/o is voluntary.
Have a look, its better than just depending on the 'mercury' arguement- dont you know mercury is gone from vaccines and its good for you anyway?  :o
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: Jackson Holly on February 22, 2008, 09:08:10 am
~ Vaccines,  Sterilisation & Abortion ~
Unethical vaccine agendas

http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html (http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html)

This site has LOTS of links - very good I think though I haven't checked out everything here.

One link:

Gardasil shot implications

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/cervical_cancer.html (http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/cervical_cancer.html)

Cervical Cancer Vaccine

A vaccine that is claimed to prevent cancer is causing damage that is a precursor to cancer?


Bronwyn Hancock 20 August 2007

"In due course I will be writing an article about this vaccine, but in the
meantime I refer you to this site that has plenty of information including
many articles written by others: http://www.visainfo.org.au/ (http://www.visainfo.org.au/)

"But in addition, just before you go to that other site, here is some very
significant new information, that has just been brought to my knowledge
today by the discoverer of it:

"Naturopath and Iridologist Michael Blake, of Natures Cure Pty Ltd in Dandenong, Melbourne (web site http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/therapist/6025) (http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/therapist/6025)) is very concerned at
what he has seen in the irises of four girls recently and his conscience
will not allow him to stay silent.

"In the area of the iris that corresponds to the uterus, in three of the
girls he saw tissue damage, and in the fourth he saw drug residue. In each
of the four cases, on reporting back to the patient what he was observing,
he was informed that the girl had recently received the cervical cancer
vaccine. All were virgins.

"Tissue damage in the uterus is what he sees in women who have had such
things as abortions and prolapses, and can be a precursor to cancer. It can
also cause infertility - as it can prevent the embryo from being able to
hold on to the uterus wall. It also often results in lack of sensitivity
with sexual intercourse, pain, discomfort and/or frequent discharges.

"Note that it has already been observed that one of the ingredients in the
vaccine, polysorbate 80, has been observed to cause infertility in mice.
Add to that borax, which is used to kill ants, add neurotoxic immune system
sensitiser aluminium hydroxyphosphate, and directly inject all of that and
any viral material (which is not proven to be in a harmless form) past the
very important natural lines of defence in the immune system, then what do
you think we are asking for, trouble or protection? I can't tell you what
to do - you must figure it out for yourself.

"Note also that the primary owners of the main pharmaceutical companies,
including the manufacturer of this vaccine, are the extremely wealthy and
powerful Rockefeller family. It is well documented that this family prefers
to work behind the scenes, and they have also expressed a strong belief in
population control. David Icke in his book entitled, "... and the truth
shall set you free", wrote:


'In 1952, after decades of funding and supporting eugenics, John D.
Rockefeller III established his Population Council, which still exists
today. This Elite front has been calling for zero population growth in the
United States and, in the words of its 1979 annual report: ... "the spread
of the zero population movement... in the developed countries." '

"In the population control agenda there does seem to be a particular
interest in reducing the population of those of what is considered "lesser
stock" (see http://www.thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm), yet all sections of
the community are encouraged to receive the vaccine, but do you know which
schools and localities are getting which batches of vaccine? Something to
think about.

"By the way, as all other vaccines, no proper placebo-controlled studies
have been done with this vaccine. The so-called placebo group receives an
injection of aluminium hydroxyphosphate "and everything else present in the
adjuvant", according to the contact researcher for the major trials. Why
don't they receive an inactive substance, which is what a placebo is
defined to be? Apparently because, in the understanding of this researcher,
"In vaccine trials,... (it) is usual, good clinical practice, to give
adjuvant to the placebo arm." So what are these researchers
(manufacturer-funded, of course) so afraid of, that they will not give a
proper placebo to the placebo group?"
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: DAVIDE MTL on February 22, 2008, 10:50:55 am
Limit gov, I feel your pain, it took me months of arguing with my brain washed wife to convince her no more vaccines, You can do all the research in the world but your wife will always question it and have doubts, what finally shut her up and come to my side  was  a video presentation by Mary Tocco, it's called "Are vaccines safe."  Be prepared to be shunned by your pediatrician when you tell him no more vaccines. Ours kicked us out. You'll find out the only purpose for a pediatrician clinic is to poison, I mean vaccinate our kids....what a wonderful world
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: ghardy on February 22, 2008, 11:10:05 am
you must question the motives of the medical establishment when the kick you out of your office for simply questioning what is being put into your kids bodies.

it seems that if they are a truly caring precticioner of medicine, they would at a minimum open it up for discussion.

my wife was brainwashed too....except for the hpv thing, but she started waking up when she asked someone at work about her austic child, and said it happened after her 2 year old shots.

slowly but surely, we can make a difference.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: redhatchbox on March 21, 2008, 11:18:52 pm
My god...

I can't even count the number of vaccines given to me by the Military.
(fortunately I was smart enough to turn down the Anthrax vaccine)
I got everything else, though. 3x over. I don't know how many f*cking
Hepatitis shots they gave us. :(
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: phatbob426 on March 25, 2008, 09:01:17 am
Look it...I like the guy.....I download his show and listen to it in my car ont he way to work....
I'm not some plant or whatever.....I wanna find the evidence so I can convince my wife....but like anyone else....she expects evidence....

I like when he talks about local issues here in Texas....he seems to back alot of that up with good interviews of firsthand accounts, etc....

ok...so, more vaccines now + more mercury = more autism....
that does make sense...
but how many of those vaccines nowadays are given before the age of 4?
because those are the ones that matters...
they develop it by the time they are around 4.....
so are there alot more vaccines given before 4 years of age?
also...where is the evidence that there is still mercury in all of these vaccines....
I know he talks about mercury in the flu vaccines...but what about the other vaccines?
where's the evidence showing mercury on those?
can someone give me links to creidble news sites or something similar?
DUDE.

Read the inserts on the vaccinations!  It's not JUST the thimerosal(mercury).  It's the aluminum, the ether, the fermaldehyde... it's all in there and so much more!  They're genetically modifying many viruses now, as well.  There's unpredictable side effects to genetically modified organisms.

Heavy metals(like mercury and aluminum) get in your brain and never leave your body!

And stop listening to Dean Edell!  That guy says that multivitamins don't work and then he advertises for Men's One a Days on his freaking show.  The hypocrite.  You want to talk about plants...  Sorry to trash your friend and guest, Alex...  It's just SO SO SO hypocritical.
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbreaks
Post by: phatbob426 on March 25, 2008, 09:02:31 am
I've seen a couple of news reports lately stating that vaccines don't have have mercury in them anymore, it was taken out years ago. They are trying to get everybody out here in Cali to go get vaccinated for the Measles (sp)
Heil Arnold!
Title: Re: Mercury was in the Old Vaccines, so Why Didn't We Have Massive Autisic Outbr
Post by: phatbob426 on March 25, 2008, 09:06:53 am
I've done some google searches.
On the CDC website it said only flu vaccines have mercury....

Can someone please direct me to sources that say the other vaccines have mercury in them?

Also, can someone please direct me to sources that say mercury in vaccines causes autism....or at least shows some statistics or something that links the two?

I have a 1 yr old who will be getting his 18 month? vaccine soon....
And I was planning on asking the nurse to show me the vaccine.....
I was going to see if it had thermosal listed on it.....

My wife works in the medical field...and said...you better know what you're talking about....you are going to look foolish if it doesn't have thermosal in it, and the Doctor will probably note that you're a parent who is going to cause trouble.
She said in some cases the doctor will actually refuse to see patients if they become too confrontational...

for me...its my kid's life we're talking about....I'm willing to chance whatever I have to....
but I have yet to find evidecne that shows there is mercury in the non-flu vaccines.
I have googled....and all I can find are conspiracy sites that claim its in there...
I am asking someone to help me find credible sources...please....
DUDE.  Go down to the health department and tell them you are considering a vaccination.  ASK FOR THE INSERT.  Read the ingredients.  You'll find thimerosal, fermaldehyde, ether, lead(in some), aluminum....  >:(