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Title: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 04, 2013, 12:21:06 pm

  video at the link...

  This guy thinks LBJ was the kingpin behind it.  VERY PLAUSIBLE.

  But he believes that the fatal shot was from the book depository.  I don't agree.

Who killed Kennedy? Book makes shocking claims
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 04, 2013, 12:28:20 pm

  youtube   Coast to coast

  Bryce Zabel

  starts around the 1 hour 20 minute mark

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 04, 2013, 12:36:47 pm

  video and more at the link...


Confirms testimony of doctors who treated Kennedy

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Warren Commission, in its effort to portray Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone assassin of President John F. Kennedy, had to ignore or otherwise obfuscate abundant medical evidence and testimony that JFK suffered an exit wound in the back of his head.

A front-entry wound in his body means that more than one shooter had to have been involved, as Oswald’s Texas School Book Depository building was behind JFK’s limo when the shooting began.

One little known piece of evidence can be found at the end of the famous film footage by Abraham Zapruder, as the presidential limo is about to go under the triple overpass, says WND senior writer Jerome Corsi, author of the newly released “Who Really Killed Kennedy? 50 Years Later: Stunning New Revelations about the JFK Assassination.”

The remarkable series of frames in the Zapruder film shows a frantic Jackie Kennedy in the back seat propping her husband up to a full sitting position, as if he were alive.

The sequence, rarely watched or studied, begins to be clearly seen around frame 456.

In the instant after the fatal headshot, Jackie Kennedy reacted with the type of hysteria that some unfortunate victims experience who have lost an appendage or part of an appendage. Just as those victims will try to jam the severed appendage back in place, in the film Jackie scrambles onto the trunk of the limo trying to grab some part of JFK’s skull or brain matter.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 04, 2013, 12:38:57 pm

  youtube/audio at the link

  WHO KILLED JOHN F. KENNEDY? Guest: Dr. Jerome Corsi
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 04, 2013, 12:41:41 pm

  another great video from Jeff Rense.

JFK - Jim Marrs & Jeff Rense on the Assassination of JFK
Title: First Eye Witnesses ED HOFFMAN & GORDON ARNOLD JFK Assassination
Post by: Letsbereal on November 04, 2013, 03:26:11 pm
ED HOFFMAN: "I suddenly saw two man who looked suspicious directly over there in the car park.

I saw a man standing here (Ed Hoffman actualy is at the spot in the docu from where he saw pufs of smoke and a man behind the fence with a gun in his hand on the carpark behind the grassy knoll) wearing a blue hat and a black jacket.

I saw a puff of smoke and I thought it was a cigaret? But it wasn't. He had a gun and he walked towards the railroad. He tossed the gun to a second man than he turned and straightened his jacket adjusted his hat and walked casually away. (Direction grassy knoll stairs from what I gather from the docu)

The man with the striped railroad shirt walked over to the electrical box with the gun. He took the gun apart. He put it in a toolbox. He then walks slowly away in the direction of the railroad track."

Excerpt from: The Forces of Darkness of the series The Men Who Killed Kennedy which aired in 1988

GORDON ARNOLD: "On that particularly morning what happened was I came down town and I thought there was gonna be a parade. So, what I did is I parked my car back here at this parking lot and intentionally walked to this particular corner because I wanted to take pictures of the parade off of the railroad bridge.

Well this is about how far I got cause what happened is when I got my leg to about this position (Gordon Arnold shows at the actual spot that day with one leg over a leg high iron fence) A man game around the corner off the bridge, had a suit on and he turned around and told me that I wasn't going to be there. And I quess I was more younger and spunkier at the time cause I told them: "You and who else ain't gonna keep me off the bridge" and he pulled out identificationcard and he said: "I am with the CIA" - and I said "Well that's enough muscle, I Ieave."

So, I turened around and brought my leg back over like this (actually pulls back his leg from the one step over the fence position) and walked down the fence line here about half way and I was looking over the fence to see if good get a good shot of the parade he came back up and told me he says: " I told ya to get out of this area!" and I said "OK" so I walked the complete length of the fence, got around on the other side.

That's when I started to line up my frame so that I could take the picture of the parade. I had been panning shots trough here so that I could get whatever was gonna come down that street, and I saw that it was the President of the United States. And as I was panning down this direction, just as I got about this position (Gordon Arnold shows with his hand the camera panning direction that day), a shot came right passed my left ear. And that meant, it would have come from this direction (Points with his left hand behind his left shoulder direction the parking lot which is right behind the wouden fence from which he's in front on the grassy knoll filming the parade). That's when I fell down and to me it seem a second shot was at least fired over my head, as bunch of report going on in this particular area at that time.

And what happened was that, while I was laying on the ground, it seem like a gentleman came from this particular direction and I thought he was a police officer cause he had the uniform of a police officer. But he didn't wear a hat and he had dirty hands but that didn't realy matter much at that time because, with him crying like he was, and with him shaking when he had the weapon in his hand, I think I'd gave him almost anything except the camera cause that was my mothers. And litteraly what the man did was kick, kick me, and ask me if I was taking a picture. I told him that I was, and when I looked at the weapon it was about that big around (Gordon Arnold shows the size of a hand gun between his hands) I decided let them go ahead and and have the film. I gave it to him and than he went back off in this direction (Gordon Arnold points with his left arm half way behind him). I went off in this direction (Gordon Arnold points left with his left arm).

And three days later I was on Alaska and I didn't come back to the United States for about 18 months."

Excerpt from: The Forces of Darkness of the series The Men Who Killed Kennedy which aired in 1988



Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 04, 2013, 04:53:40 pm
 It was a epica we can't let go down the memory hole..
 Honor, we were  a true America. 
I didn't see a dry eye when he was murdered, the majority of Americans loved this President.
It was the day- the music died.
 Back then a standard line was to say to some smuck who was lying to ya,,,        "ya sure and Oswald killed Kennedy"...

 It's a damn shame the youth of today don't realy know the equality ,integrity ,the honor one felt knowing we were all a part of a better nation  based on the law of this land and people.
  I will never forget LBJ giving his condolences/ act to Jacky K on the plane , it was just a feeling as if he was giving her the message, " hey, Im the man now, tough shiite baby, we won you lost, suck it up"......
  The FED was back in full swing  and the Vietnam war imploded ( Gulf of Tonkin FF)
Title: Marine Oswald interview - JFK Assassination
Post by: Letsbereal on November 06, 2013, 12:52:12 am
Marine Oswald interview
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 06, 2013, 10:13:38 am

  RFK to Johnson--- Why did you kill my brother?
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 06, 2013, 10:23:49 am
recent Marina Oswald articles:
Lee Harvey Oswald's widow Marina convinced he did not kill JFK - and thinks her phone is still bugged
   2 Nov 2013 12:33       

The widow of John F Kennedy's alleged assassin believes her husband was innocent - but lives in fear of being killed herself

But as the 50th anniversary of the tragedy approaches Marina, now a 72-year old grandmother, has emerged from the shadows and is pictured in public for the first time in 25 years, shopping at her local Walmart.

Long remarried and living in rural Texas just 20 miles from Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy’s brains were blown out, Marina Oswald Porter is said to be in poor health and struggling to cope with international interest in the anniversary.
Marina Oswald sells wedding ring, powerful symbol of JFK assassination (+video)

Marina Oswald, formerly married to Lee Harvey Oswald, sold his wedding ring at auction Thursday. The ring played a key role in Oswald's emotional turmoil on the day of the JFK assassination in 1963.

October 24, 2013

Lee Harvey Oswald’s wedding ring – a haunting symbol of the tragedy of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy – is among the hundreds of items of JFK memorabilia scheduled for auction in Boston on Thursday.   The wedding ring sold for $90,000 on Thursday afternoon.
Relatively recently, Oswald's widow, Marina Oswald Porter, recovered the ring, which apparently sat forgotten for decades in the files of a Fort Worth lawyer who once did work for her. Accompanying the ring is a five-page handwritten letter dated May 5, 2013, in which Porter writes: "At this time of my life I don't wish to have Lee's ring in my possession because symbolically I want to let go of my past that is connecting with Nov. 22, 1963."

At her request, the auction house did not release the full contents of the letter, in which Porter documents the history of the ring — from its purchase in the Soviet city of Minsk, Belarus, before their April, 30, 1961, wedding, to being left on the dresser at her friend Ruth Paine's home, where she and their children were living when Kennedy was killed.

With the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination coming up in November, the auction house gathered items ranging from Kennedy's personal belongings to Oswald's Marine Corps rifle score book, which sold for $54,000.

Another auction item, the sixth-floor window from the school book depository believed to have served as Oswald's sniper perch, did not sell. The window was removed weeks after the assassination.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 06, 2013, 10:34:33 am

  I don't think many people believe that Oswald shot Kennedy.

  Steve Douchee (not sure of spelling) of FOX news in the 1st video on the thread thinks Oswald did it OR DOUCHEE IS PLAYING A GAME.

  The MSM is still playing the OSWALD SHOT KENNEDY GAME.

  Col. Craig Roberts--has been on the AJ Show many times---said he went to the place where Oswald was said to have shot the old Russian rifle.  He said he couldn't have made the shots and Roberts was an EXPERT MARKSMAN in the military.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 06, 2013, 10:53:17 am
As long as the power structure responsible for the assassination is still in place, so will the  truth of it will remain suppressed.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 06, 2013, 11:07:02 am
As long as the power structure responsible for the assassination is still in place, so will the  truth of it will remain suppressed.

  TRUE.  But the plethora of books out there, IMO, are more correct than the Warren Commission Concocted Findings.

The Warren Commission
The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, known unofficially as The Warren Commission, was established on November 29, 1963, by Lyndon B. Johnson to investigate the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. It concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the killing of Kennedy. The Commission's findings have since proven extremely controversial and have frequently been challenged.

Upon its release in 1964, all files of the Warren Commission were sealed from public view for 75 years (until 2039) by executive order of President Johnson. According to the Assassination Records Review Board, Kennedy assassination related documents that have not been destroyed are scheduled to be released to the public by 2017.

MEMBERS OF THE WARREN COMMISSION  notice all the members of the committee are DEAD

Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court (chairman) (1891–1974)
Richard Russell, Jr. (D-Georgia), U.S. Senator, (1897–1971)
John Sherman Cooper (R-Kentucky), U.S. Senator (1901–1991)
Hale Boggs (D-Louisiana), U.S. Representative, House Majority Leader (1914–1973)
Gerald Ford (R-Michigan), U.S. Representative (later 38th President of the United States), House Minority Leader (1913-2006)
Allen Welsh Dulles, former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (1893–1969)
John J. McCloy, former President of the World Bank (1895–1989)

General counsel

J. Lee Rankin (1907-1996)

Assistant counsel

Francis William Holbrooke Adams (1904-1990)
Joseph A. Ball
David W. Belin (1928-1999)
William T. Coleman, Jr. (1920–)
Melvin Aron Eisenberg
Burt W. Griffin
Leon D. Hubert, Jr.
Albert E. Jenner, Jr. (1907-1988)
Wesley J. Liebeler
Norman Redlich (1925-2011)
W. David Slawson
Arlen Specter (1930-2012)
Samuel A. Stern
Howard P. Willens (liaison)


Philip Barson
Edward A. Conroy
John Hart Ely (1938-2003)
Alfred Goldberg
Murray J. Laulicht
Arthur J. Marmor
Richard M. Mosk
John J. O'Brien (1919-2001)
Stuart R. Pollak
Alfredda Scobey
Charles N. Shaffer, Jr.
Lloyd L. Weinreb
Nathan S. Butler

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 06, 2013, 11:27:30 am
The House Select Committee was an interesting shot at the truth....

The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was established in 1976 to investigate the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr.

The Committee investigated until 1978 and issued its final report, and concluded that Kennedy was very likely assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.

However, the Committee noted that it believed that the conspiracy did not include the governments of the Soviet Union or Cuba. The Committee also stated it did not believe the conspiracy was organized by any organized crime group, nor any anti-Castro group, but that it could not rule out individual members of any of these two groups acting together.

The HSCA suffered from being conducted mostly in secret, and then issued a public report with much of its evidence sealed for 50 years under Congressional rules.[1]

In 1992, Congress passed legislation to collect and open up all the evidence relating to Kennedy's death, and created the Assassination Records Review Board to further that goal.

As of 2012 there are 50,000 pages of government documents relating to the assassination that have not been released

The Final Report of the House Select Committee on Assassinations presents the HSCA's findings in the murders of both President John F. Kennedy and Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. The HSCA found a "probable conspiracy" in the JFK assassination, but was unable to determine its nature or participants (other than that Oswald was still deemed to have fired all the successful shots). In the King case, the HSCA similarly found that James Earl Ray assassinated Reverend King, but that there might have been a small-scale conspiracy involved.

For many assassination researchers, the HSCA's findings suggested a "limited hangout" of a deeper and more disturbing reality. The release of the HSCA's internal files in the 1990s has certainly provided fodder for this view, including evidence of HSCA cover-ups in the area of the medical evidence and of Oswald's intelligence connections and his mysterious trip to Mexico City.

The HSCA Report presents an overview of the HSCA's work. Many more details are present in the twelve volumes of appendices published in each of the two assassination cases (the JFK volumes are available online here). The voluminous files of the HSCA and the many depositions taken in the investigation are a fertile field for today's researchers.


[ Gee do 'ya think we need a new Church committee? ]

The Church Committee was the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, a U.S. Senate committee chaired by Senator Frank Church (D-ID) in 1975. A precursor to the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the committee investigated intelligence gathering for illegality by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) after certain activities had been revealed by the Watergate affair.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 06, 2013, 11:39:10 am

  They want to release the files of the Warren Commission in 2039 because most of us that were alive at the time of the assassination WILL BE DEAD OR OVER MEDICATED AND WE WONT GIVE A DARN.  I will be 86 yrs old in 2039 and hopefully have kicked the bucket.  I was in the 5th grade in 1963.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: EvadingGrid on November 06, 2013, 11:57:44 am
I care
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Valerius on November 06, 2013, 01:34:40 pm

  They want to release the files of the Warren Commission in 2039 because most of us that were alive at the time of the assassination WILL BE DEAD OR OVER MEDICATED AND WE WONT GIVE A DARN.  I will be 86 yrs old in 2039 and hopefully have kicked the bucket.  I was in the 5th grade in 1963.

Nero and Rome burning was a big deal for a couple of years. Same with all "catalyzing events." That why powerful people like them so much.

What the young don't realize is that we aren't seeing anything new.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 06, 2013, 01:55:07 pm
I care
Hi E, me too.
 JFK was assasinated by the elite ,syndicate, it was a criminaly organized inside operation, we know it and so have any Any American and foriegners with a drop of common sense. It was and continues to be a disqrace of our US goverment and those folks who simply went along through these years.
 JFK was the hope for Americans, freedoms, equality and rights. The rats had to take him out, as did they his brother and MLK.
Gamblers, high state scumbags were taking bets on the day JFK would be assassinated after he took on the FED and was beggining to stop the war in Nam.  The reality, some people know what is going on, others accept the fables and pretend to go along , the easy path.
  Untill the people openly become pizzed off and recognize the criminals in power, we will be controlled.
After JFK was murdered, well lets see a few incidents, the FED was fully reinstated, the Gulf of Tonkin FF, Vietnam implded-3 million Vietanese killed, 60,000 GI's, the SS Liberty attacked by Israel, Bosnia, 911, Afghanistan invasion and occupation, Gitmo, torture, Iraqs nonexistant WMD's, Lybia, and more, and more..AJ among others has been right, as have many other men with integrity..
  JFK  he was a man of soul for our people and nation,    A true American.
  Will the rats crawl back into their holes? Not unless the people of this nation face the reality and-
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Freebird100 on November 07, 2013, 05:57:27 am
I have never seen this video mentioned by the main stream media.Probably because it`s indefensible.Yet 5 million views on youtube.

JFK assassination: Secret Service Stand down
Watch as the two secret service men assigned to protect president Kennedy's motorcade are ordered to stand down just minutes before entering Dealey Plaza.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Jackson Holly on November 07, 2013, 07:14:15 am

… here's an excerpt from a book I am
attempting to write … it needs some work
to be 'publishable', but you might find it
interesting noneetheless. This is my best
memory of the way it went down for me
that fearsome day 50 years ago:


    It was just before Thanksgiving in the year 1963 ... November 22, to be exact. It was sunny but cool at Minor High School that day. I was fifteen, a sophomore.
    I was in sixth period Phys Ed along with all the other tenth grade boys, in the gym. My group was on the mats, tumbling.
    “Three single lines, girls. Quick!” snapped Coach Standridge. “Start on your back, kip up to a stand, double forward roll, walk-on-hands ten feet, finish with a head-dive-roll over the hurdles.  You are competing with the other lines. Any questions?”
    “OK. At the whistle. Simms, Todd and Rubino. Start it off ..... ,” he barked, then the whistle blast.
    I was seventh or eighth in line one, behind Leslie Newton.
    “I hate this crap,” I whispered to him.
    “Not as bad as wrestling,” he laughed. “Damn near broke a finger wrestling Mayer last week!”
    “I heard we’re starting Ball Room dancing with the girls soon. Now THAT I can get into!” I said.
    A pudgy guy in line two was hung up on hand-walking ... it was becoming a race between us and line three.
    “Bombs away!” yelled Les, as he plunked down on his back, rocked back on his shoulders and kipped up into perfect upright position. He was in his hand stand when the intercom crackled on.
    The deep, firm voice of our principal, Mr. Graham said, “Give me your attention, please. Students, this is an emergency, however, there is no danger. All teachers and students please go to your homerooms immediately. There will be a very important announcement at 2 o’clock.” He sounded ... I don’t know ... distressed.
    We all looked over to Coach, who just shrugged and gave that crooked mouth, ‘don’t ask me’ grimace. Tony came over and said, “Rocky,” with some alarm in his voice, “do you know what’s goin’ on?”
    “No .. this is weird. Can’t be a fire alarm or something. Beats me.”
    “You guys! Get in the locker room, PRONTO,” shouted Coach Standridge. “It’s 1:45, you got fifteen minutes to report to homeroom. Shake a leg!”
    Tony, Eli, Les and myself were all in Mrs. Hocutt’s homeroom. She taught 10th and 11th grade History with an iron fist, and conducted homeroom with a definite Eva Braun flair. She was about forty-five, stocky, clunky shoes, severe hair and she favored long skirts, starched tops and short jackets. When we walked in, there were ten or twelve other students at their desks and Mrs. Hocutt was at her seat, elbows on the desk, head in hands, sobbing quietly.
    We took our seats and waited ... expectantly, as the classroom filled up. Mrs. Hocutt looked up, tissue to her face, trying to compose herself. It was almost two o’clock.


     She stood up, her makeup a mess. “Students,” she muttered. “I ... I.... I’m sorry.”
     Then the familiar crackling from the speaker. It was Mr. Graham. “My friends, the awful responsibility to report the following news has fallen on me today,” and he choked up a little. “Our beloved President John Kennedy is dead ... struck down by an unknown assassin’s bullet in Dallas, Texas. May God have mercy on his soul ... and ours.”
    Huh? What did he say? I looked over at Tony, then Eli. Les was slumping in his chair, his hand over his mouth.
   “ .... pronounced dead at 1:00 pm Dallas time. There were others wounded in the attack, but we have no details yet.”
    My tears were starting to flow ... my ears were ringing ... my tongue felt huge ... Mrs. Hocutt was weeping uncontrollably ... a girl just in front of me fainted, her head flat on her desk.
    “... suspended for the remainder of the day and until further notice. Teachers, please bring your classes single file through the western entrance into the auditorium for assembly. Buses will run as normal,” and his mic clicked off.
    Silence for a few seconds ... then, from a kid down front named Harley ... I’ll never forget him ... “Yaaay! Great! They got him ...  about time!”
    Mrs. Hocutt, attending to the fainted girl, stood erect, and gazed a lightning bolt straight at Harley across the room. She walked very deliberately over to his desk and said, “Stand up,” which he did.
    She let fly a roundhouse open hand slap to his face. He staggered back a bit. “Get out of my class right now,” she said between clenched teeth and pointed toward the door, “.... and don’t come back.” That was the last I ever saw of him.
    In the assembly Mr. Graham told us that he was not sure when, “ ... school would re-convene,” that it was time to be with our families, to mourn. We prayed.
    The little black and white TV was set up with a mic onstage and we listened to Cronkite’s account. I was sitting next to Les. “Why President Kennedy? What’s gonna happen, Jackie?” he asked, not really expecting an answer.
    Remembering something my Dad had told me, I returned, “He thought he was in charge ... but he wasn’t ... and they killed America today,” and I was right ... that is exactly what happened.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 07, 2013, 04:30:22 pm

                                Holly's quote:   "The day they killed America!"
                                  They lined em up, JFK,RFK,MLK..
              Honorable men knowingly put their lives at risk for us,  the dark side took the throne.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Jackson Holly on November 07, 2013, 05:01:02 pm

                                Holly's quote:   "The day they killed America!"
                                  They lined em up, JFK,RFK,MLK..
              Honorable men knowingly put their lives at risk for us,  the dark side took the throne.

Chris … what are your memories of that day?

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 08, 2013, 10:35:14 am

  I was in the 5th grade.  I remember the janitor coming in and telling us that the president had been shot.  A little while later he came back in and said that President Kennedy is dead. 

  I remember the boys discussing the Nebraska-Oklahoma football game at recess but we did not talk about the president being killed.  We played marbles and some were trading baseball cards.

  On Saturday I remember holding my transistor to my ear listening to the Nebraska-Oklahoma game. 

  The next morning I was watching the news and they had special coverage of Oswald being transported and that's when Ruby shot Oswald on live TV.  THAT'S WHEN IT HIT ME THAT THE JFK ASSASSINATION WAS A BIG DEAL.


Nov 22. 1963
11:10 a.m. -- After staying overnight in Fort Worth, Kennedy leaves Carswell AFB onboard Air Force One to fly to Love Field in Dallas.
11:30 a.m. -- The presidential motorcade leaves Love Field.
11:30 a.m.-12:30 p.m. -- The motorcade follows a route through Dallas, during which the president stops the car several times to talk to citizens who approach his limousine.
12:30 p.m. -- President Kennedy is shot and taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas.
1:00 p.m. -- President Kennedy is pronounced dead at Parkland Hospital.
1:08 p.m. -- Officer J.D. Tippit calls in to the police dispatch. By 1:16 p.m., he is dead.
1:22 p.m. -- A rifle is found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building.
1:55 p.m. -- Lee Harvey Oswald is arrested at the Texas Theater in Oak Cliff for the murder of Officer Tippit.
2:04 p.m. -- John F. Kennedy's body leaves Parkland Hospital and is taken to Love Field to be carried to Washington, D.C. on board Air Force One.
2:25 p.m. -- Lee Harvey Oswald is interrogated for more than an hour and a half, taken to a lineup, interrogated for another hour and forty-five minutes, taken to another lineup, then a third lineup, then interrogated again. At 11:00 p.m., there is a fourth interrogation by an FBI agent.
7:05 p.m. -- Oswald is charged with the murder of Officer Tippit.
11:26 p.m. -- Oswald is charged with the murder of President Kennedy.

Nov 23, 1963
10:30 a.m. -- A fourth interrogation lasts for two hours and forty minutes.
1:10 p.m. -- During the day, Oswald speaks with family and friends.
5:30 p.m. -- Oswald speaks to H. Louis Nichols, President of the Dallas Bar Association, for five minutes.

Nov 23, 1963

10:30 a.m. -- A fourth interrogation lasts for two hours and forty minutes.
1:10 p.m. -- During the day, Oswald speaks with family and friends.
5:30 p.m. -- Oswald speaks to H. Louis Nichols, President of the Dallas Bar Association, for five minutes.

Nov 24, 1963

9:30 a.m. -- A fifth interrogation.
11:21 a.m. -- Jack Ruby shoots Oswald during a transfer from the Dallas Police Department to the County Jail. Jack Ruby died in prison on Mar 1, 1967.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 08, 2013, 12:14:00 pm
Me at the White House Easter egg Roll in 1963
Update - they removed the image


Me with my two sisters (left-center) rolling easter eggs. I'm on one knee.

We saw John-John and Caroline.  I am 1 year older then Caroline.
[Update: My memory was wrong - We saw them at a special White House Tour , I can't remember when exactly (X-mas 1962?). The kennedy's were not at the Easter Egg Roll that year - they were in Florida ]

I went looking for photo's of the easter egg roll from that year and I couldn't believe that there was of photo with me there...

Weren't we cute?
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 08, 2013, 12:51:13 pm

Mary Ferrell was a woman of rare ability, regarded internationally as one of the most knowledgeable and respected historical researchers of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. She aided many authors and other researchers in their work, and compiled a vast name database and a detailed set of chronologies. Her skills as an investigator and historian were matched by her ability to educate and stimulate those around her. This website is devoted to carrying on her work and spirit.

On November 22, 1963 Mary was at work in downtown Dallas. Upon hearing the news of the assassination of President Kennedy, Mary thought the crime would be difficult to solve, and was astounded when the police arrested a man, Lee Harvey Oswald, hardly more than an hour later. Mary had three teenaged sons at home, and she told her husband Buck to place one boy at the loading dock of both papers in Dallas to get a copy of each edition that weekend.

Mary and her boys obtained a complete set of all the editions of the Dallas papers from that weekend, and thus began what turned into a legendary collection of books, newspapers, magazines, reports, and declassified documents, now held by the Mary Ferrell Foundation. Mary Ferrell died in 2004 at the age of 81.
Freeing the JFK Files

One of many previously secret JFK assassination documents (see larger 1980-era withheld page, and as released in 1997).

Free the JFK files! This has been a rallying cry for many citizens over the years. Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK closed with the following message:

A Congressional Investigation from 1976-1979 found a "probable conspiracy" in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and recommended the Justice Department investigate further. As of 1991, the Justice Department has done nothing. The files of the House Select Committee on Assassinations are locked away until the year 2029.

In the wake of the film, Congress was besieged by the public and quickly passed the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 to remedy this situation. What happened after that? Are the JFK files now all public? Was there a smoking gun in them? Is the government still hiding documents about the assassination, till 2029 or beyond?

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 08, 2013, 12:55:50 pm

Complacent Beverly Hills housewife Mae Brussell had quite an awakening in 1963 when President Kennedy was assassinated, and again when she read and cross-indexed the massive 26-volume Warren Commission Hearings. She saw that the international terrorist network that had made up the Axis powers during World War Two had gone underground and continued their world-wide fascist campaign, overthrowing one country after another. America was not exempt.
The Monterey Herald - October 4, 1988

Conspiracy Theorist Mae Brussell Dies of Cancer

    Mae Brussell, the Carmel Valley conspiracy theorist who sometimes faced death threats because of her work, died from cancer Monday afternoon in Carmel Convalescent Hospital. Mrs. Brussell, 66, had been in the convalescent hospital about three weeks.

    She was widely known as a writer, radio commentator, lecturer and researcher of a premise that the United States is secretly run by powerful groups that will stop at nothing to maintain control.

    Mrs. Brussell started her conspiracy research and presentations after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963.

    "It started the day Kennedy died," her daughter, Barbara Brussell, said last night. "She thought something looked fishy, especially when (Lee Harvey) Oswald was shot."

    39 File Cabinets
    In the 26 years that have followed, Mrs. Brussell amassed enough reports, news clippings and notes on the Kennedy assassination and other events to fill 39 four-drawer filing cabinets, said John Judge, who has taken over her library to set up the Mae Brussell Research Center in Santa Cruz.

    She taught an accredited course in conspiracy at Monterey Peninsula College in the mid-1970s and wrote for such publications as The Realist, The Rebel, People's Almanac, The Berkeley Barb, Penthouse and Hustler.

    Mrs. Brussell's controversial radio show, "World Watchers International," was on the air for 17 years—851 weekly editions. It originated with KLRB in Carmel, then listener-supported KAZU in Pacific Grove, and was sent on to a half-dozen other radio stations. Mrs. Brussell gave up the weekly show this March, after she reported a death threat from a listener who telephoned her home.

    Death Threat

    In the mid-1970s, Mrs. Brussell reported a death threat from a Charles Manson follower. She had alleged in a radio broadcast that the Manson Family was working with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department to commit mass murders.
    She described herself as a political researcher and told a Herald interviewer in 1976:
    "I've never really pushed any of my ideas. I've just gone about my research slowly and steadily, but after Watergate I found a lot more people were listening to me."

    One friend in Pacific Grove, Bette Phillips, said Mrs. Brussell was perceived as "far out" by some, but she was careful to publicize only what she could prove. "She was a tremendous person and a true patriot," Ms. Phillips said. "Mae loved her country and she didn't like some of the things that were happening to it."

    Mrs. Brussell lived in Carmel Valley for 23 years.

  She was born in Los Angeles on May 29, 1922. Her father, Edgar Magnin, was a noted rabbi in Los Angeles. Her great-grandfather, Isaac Magnin, founded the I. Magnin clothing store.

    Mrs. Brussell is survived by two sons, David Goodwin and John Goodwin, both of Los Angeles; two daughters, Barbara Brussell of Los Angeles and Kyenne Brussell of San Francisco; and a brother, Henry Magnin of Los Angeles. Another daughter, Bonnie Brussell, died in a car wreck in 1970.

    Visitation has been scheduled from 2 p.m. to 9 p.m. Thursday in the El Estero Chapel of Mission Mortuary. A graveside service will be held at noon Friday in Monterey City Cemetery.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 08, 2013, 01:15:38 pm
The Jim Garrison Tapes (

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JFK (7/7) Movie CLIP - The Truth (1991) HD
The real Jim Garrison, D.A. of New Orleans in the Sixties. The only person to prosecute someone for the hideous crime of assassinating the president.
Jim Garrison  from JFK
Jim Garrison's Playboy Interview
vol. 14 no. 10 - October 1967
Fight still on to release JFK files

Hundreds of pages on CIA agent
Associated Press
Posted:   08/17/2013 08:50:14 PM PDT

 Five decades after President John F. Kennedy was fatally shot and long after official inquiries ended, thousands of pages of investigative documents remain withheld from public view. The contents of these files are partially known — and intriguing — and conspiracy buffs are not the only ones seeking to open them for a closer look.

Some serious researchers believe the off-limits files could shed valuable new light on nagging mysteries of the assassination — including what U.S. intelligence agencies knew about accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald before Nov. 22, 1963.

It turns out that several hundred of the still-classified pages concern a deceased CIA agent, George Joannides, whose activities just before the assassination — and, fascinatingly, during a government investigation years later — have tantalized researchers for years.

"This is not about conspiracy, this is about transparency," said Jefferson Morley, a former Washington Post reporter and author embroiled in a decade-long lawsuit against the CIA, seeking release of the closed documents. "I think the CIA should obey the law. I don't think most people think that's a crazy idea."

Morley's effort has been joined by others, including G. Robert Blakey, chief counsel for a House investigation into the JFK assassination in the 1970s. But so far, the Joannides files and thousands more pages primarily from the CIA remain off-limits at a National Archives center in College Park, Md.

I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security.
Jim Garrison

It was a three-ring circus. A flamboyant district attorney, with visions of conspiracy, proposing a series of theories, most of them bizarre. What he first called a "homosexual thrill killing" evolved, under the influence of the conspiracy buffs who flocked to New Orleans, into a massive CIA and federal government plot. When push came to shove in the courtroom, a jury took less than an hour to acquit Clay Shaw, the man Garrison put on trial.
Jim Garrison, 70, Theorist on Kennedy Death, Dies
Published: October 22, 1992

Jim Garrison, who as District Attorney in New Orleans made startling assertions of a widespread conspiracy and cover-up in President John F. Kennedy's assassination, died yesterday at his home in New Orleans. He was 70 years old.

The New Orleans coroner, Dr. Frank Minyard, a longtime friend, said the exact cause of death would be determined in a routine autopsy today. Mr. Garrison had been bedridden with heart disease.

His widely disputed accusations, which were revived in the recent hit film "J.F.K.," drew worldwide attention when he first made them in 1967. He asserted that Lee Harvey Oswald, whom the Warren Commission identified as the lone assassin in the President's 1963 death, was not the killer and had "never fired a shot."

Announcing that he had "solved the assassination," Mr. Garrison accused anti-Communist and anti-Castro extremists in the Central Intelligence Agency of plotting the President's death to thwart an easing of tension with the Soviet Union and Cuba, and to prevent a retreat from Vietnam.

Angola 1963

The Portuguese Colonial War (Portuguese: Guerra Colonial Portuguesa), also known in Portugal as the Overseas War (Guerra do Ultramar) or in the former colonies as the War of Liberation (Guerra de Libertação), was fought between Portugal's military and the emerging nationalist movements in Portugal's African colonies between 1961 and 1974. The Portuguese regime was overthrown by a military coup in 1974, and the change in government brought the conflict to an end. The war was a decisive ideological struggle in Portuguese-speaking Africa and surrounding nations, and mainland Portugal
The Garrison Investigation
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 08, 2013, 01:27:03 pm

  It is my hope that they can release these documents before I'm an old man but I doubt it.

  Oliver Stone's JFK film is a great film to watch at this time.

        How Accurate is Oliver Stone’s JFK?
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 09, 2013, 02:41:49 pm

Chris … what are your memories of that day?

   I was in my last year of high school, the teacher was rattling along about names and dates, historical garble that didn't amount to a hill of beans. The teacher was an empty plate.
*The schools  loud speaker system began to buzz and the director of the school announced , our president has been shot in Dallas Texas, school is dismissed, that was it.............
  I was in a state of shock, I remember looking at my favorite gal in the class, her head was bobbing and tears were flowing, she had cupped her hand over her mouth in what looked to be an attempt to control herself, I remained numb and felt as if I had been punched in the stomach.., wide eyed looking around, there was not a dry eye, some students had  thrown their text books on the floor.
 The teacher had turned his back to us and his shoulders were shaking. School was dismissed, it wasn't until we had left and listened to the radio we realized he had been assassinated. I was trying to calm down the Lil miss I was dating that's when I broke down as well and shed tears.                                      The day the music died..
 LBJ's & the NWO took the throne.. The news media was on this for days, they caught the lone gunmen communist who shot JFK from the Dallas book depositary.
 Of course then they had a Mafia bottom feeder kill him (on the telly), he then died in jail from unknown causes before he could be transferred to a different prison and give testimony.
 Within that same space of time many doubts began as to how Oswald pulled it off, by the end of the same year it was fairly well accepted by folks with an average IQ, Oswald was not the hitter. The Warren commission were sucklings and many were aware of this.


Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Jackson Holly on November 09, 2013, 02:59:13 pm
^ ^ ^ ^

 … your experience sounds a lot like mine, chris. Most of us
who were school age back then probably remember learning about
it in the early afternoon @ school. Totally a life-changer, no doubt.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: EvadingGrid on November 10, 2013, 01:58:02 am
JFK was killed 'by a mystery bullet':

Nurse who tried to save President claims she saw a DIFFERENT bullet in his neck to those later shown as evidence

    * Phyllis Hall was 28 when President John F Kennedy was shot in 1963

    * She described being dragged into the operating room in a bid to revive him

    * Mrs Hall, now 78, claims she saw a bullet which, apparently, was bizarrely unmarked despite being lodged in his body

    * She also says it looked nothing like ones later produced in investigations

By Kieran Corcoran
PUBLISHED: 01:47 GMT, 10 November 2013

A nurse who was part of desperate attempts to save the life of President John F Kennedy after he was assassinated has claimed he was shot by a 'mystery bullet'.

Phyllis Hall, who was 28 at the time, says she was dragged into the operating room by a secret service agent as medics scrambled to help the president, who was fatally shot in Dallas, Texas on 22 November 1963.

While cradling his head, which had been torn apart by gunshots fired from the famous 'grassy knoll', Mrs Hall says she spotted an unusual bullet, which was promptly removed and never seen again.


Claims: Phyllis Hall, pictured right, described a bullet in JFK's neck which she says was never seen again

She described the bullet in an interview with the Sunday Mirror, which she said looked completely undamaged, and bore no resemblance whatsoever to bullets later shown as evidence in investigations into the President's murder.

She said: 'I could see a bullet lodged between his ear and his shoulder. It was pointed at its tip and showed no signs of damage. There was no blunting of the bullet or scarring around the shell from where it had been fired.

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Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: EvadingGrid on November 10, 2013, 02:00:06 am
JFK, the accidental trauma nurse and the disappearance of a 'mystery bullet'

Dallas nurse Phyllis Hall held President John F Kennedy's shattered head as staff tried to resuscitate him and also treated 'attention seeker' Jack Ruby

By Christopher Bucktin
10 Nov 2013 00:00


Glancing at her watch, nurse Phyllis Hall couldn’t help thinking how the warm autumn day was beginning to drag.

The Parklands Hospital outpatient department in Dallas was quieter than normal as most of the people she would normally have seen had gone into the city to see the President.

Making the most of the unusual quiet moment almost 50 years ago – on November 22, 1963 – Phyllis went along to see a friend working in triage.

But as the two nurses chatted, the peace of the emergency room was suddenly shattered by the harrowing screams of Texan Governor John Connally.

Six minutes earlier, he had been happily waving at the crowds, a passenger in the same car as President John F Kennedy.

But as the motorcade swept past a grassy knoll, three shots were fired, fatally wounding the President and badly injuring Governor Connally.

The two men were rushed to the Parklands Emergency and Trauma department where bewildered staff had no idea what had just taken place five miles away.

Phyllis, then 28, recalls: “The doors just exploded. At first we thought it was a woman being brought in who had gone into labour in the car park or even a bad car accident.

“It was only when I saw the mayor and Vice President Lyndon Johnson did we know something was gravely wrong.

“Johnson looked grey. We thought he was having a heart attack. Then all of sudden the screams got louder and louder.

“Governor Connally was crying in pain. It was like nothing I had ever heard before.

“Blood was pumping from his body. It was going everywhere.”

As surgeons rushed to his aid, the doors suddenly flung open again and Phyllis saw Jackie Kennedy running alongside a trolley carrying her husband.

“I recognised her straight away,” says mum-of-three Phyllis.

“She was draped over his body as the medics rushed him to the trauma room. Her face had a look of incredible disbelief. She was leaning over the President, clutching him.”

Phyllis, who had graduated as a nurse six years earlier, was then unwittingly thrust into Trauma Room 1, where a team of specialists had descended to try to resuscitate the President.

“I wasn’t supposed to be there,” she says. “It was only because I had been speaking to my friend in triage.


Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 10, 2013, 08:47:14 am

I heard this guy on Dr. Stan this past week. He has been writing on the JFK murder for decades. Check out his work. He too believes the OFFICIAL STORY is hogwash! Yet, the OFFICIAL STORY will be pushed by the psychopaths and their minions in Dallas, once again at the 50th Anniversary events!  ::)

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 10, 2013, 09:42:23 am
 Jesse V. was being interviewed by 4 woman. Forget the name of the show, but when he mentioned the JFK assassination, one of the young woman giggled and said," Come on that's old stuff-"
  Either people know the truth, play the game as if all is well, ignore it or simply don't have a mucken idea what they can do about it.
  I use to call the hideouts (Bubble people). Ya know,- they live in a safe bubble & whatever you do don't burst their LIL bubble.
                    It is much simpler for deniers to toss stones at truthers and wiggle the OLE flag..
An old friend of mine, (he had been around the block a few times), use to say-" They run from reality and live in their LIL Abba Daba land.
    The NWO syndicate had to get rid of JFK to insure their goal, one century has passed since the inception of their grand plan..
                                         1913, J. Island-2013...
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 10, 2013, 10:54:37 am

Madeleine Duncan Brown (July 5, 1925 – June 22, 2002), née Madeleine Frances Duncan, was an American woman who alleged that she was a longtime mistress of United States President Lyndon B. Johnson. In addition to claiming that her son was born out of that relationship, Brown also implicated Johnson in a conspiracy to assassinate President John F. Kennedy

Brown described her background in her 1997 autobiography, Texas in the Morning: The Love Story of Madeleine Brown and President Lyndon Baines Johnson

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Madeleine Duncan Brown (1925-2002). Mistress of "Lyin" Lyndon.
Madeleine and her son, Stephen Mark Brown

Johnson's rôle in the assassination of President Kennedy

When a world leaders is assassinated, the first question should be: WHO GAINS THE MOST. In this case, Johnson gained the most by becoming President.

Lyndon Johnson met with some of the conspirators the night before the murder of the President. Here is a report from eyewitness Madeleine Brown:

On Thursday night, Nov. 21, 1963, the last evening prior to Camelot's demise, I attended a social at Clint Murchison's home. It was my understanding that the event was scheduled as a tribute honoring his long time friend, J. Edgar Hoover, whom Murchison had first met decades earlier through President William Howard Taft, and Hoover's companion and assistant, Clyde Tolson.

 The impressive guest list included John J. McCloy, Richard Nixon, George Brown, R.L. Thornton, H.L. Hunt, and a host of others from the 8F group.

 The jovial party was just breaking up when Lyndon made an unscheduled visit. I was most surprised by his appearance, since Jesse had not mentioned anything about Lyndon's coming to Clint's. With Lyndon's hectic schedule, I never dreamed he could attend the big party. After all, he had arrived in Dallas on Tuesday to attend the Pepsi-Cola convention.
 Tension filled the room upon his arrival. The group immediately went behind closed doors. A short time later Lyndon, anxious and red-faced, reappeared.

 I knew how secretively Lyndon operated. Therefore, I said nothing ... not even that I was happy to see him. Squeezing my hand so hard it felt crushed from the pressure, he spoke with a grating whisper—a quiet growl into my ear not a love message, but one I'll always remember: "After tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again—that's no threat—that's a promise."

 I visibly trembled. He said nothing else, but was off in a flash to join a party at Pat Kirkwood's "Cellar Door," an after-hours night club in Fort Worth. (Madeleine Brown, Texas in the Morning, p. 166).
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Jacob Law on November 10, 2013, 11:03:22 am
Geraldo Rivera Yesterday on Fox was essentially saying there is no evidence that JFK was kill by anyone else other than a lone gunman. When Alex interviewed him a few weeks ago I thought maybe there was hope for him, but now it am very doubtful.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 10, 2013, 11:04:47 am

Blood, Money, & Power: How LBJ Killed JFK Paperback
by  Barr McClellan   (Author)

Blood, Money, & Power exposes the secret, high-level conspiracy in Texas that led to President John F. Kennedy’s death and the succession of Lyndon B. Johnson as president in 1963. Attorney Barr McClellan, a former member of L.B.J.’s legal team, uses hundreds of newly released documents, including insider interviews, court papers, and the Warren Commission, to illuminate the maneuvers, payoffs, and power plays that revolved around the assassination of Kennedy and to expose L.B.J.’s involvement in the murder plot.

 In addition to revealing new information, McClellan answers common questions surrounding the assassination of our thirty-fifth president. Who had the opportunity, motive, and means to assassinate J.F.K.? Who controlled the investigation and findings of the Warren Commission? This historically significant book is proof that absolute power, money, blood, corruption, and deception were at the heart of politics in the early 1960s, and it represents the very best investigative journalism has to offer. 35 black-and-white photographs
Oliver Barr McClellan, entrepreneur, counsel and author, born in 1939 in Cuero (aka Rawhide), Texas, became widely known by his 2003 book Blood, Money & Power on the Kennedy assassination. He has also written on globalization.

Barr McClellan studied at the University of Texas in Austin. As a student McClellan was a strong supporter of John F. Kennedy. After qualifying as a lawyer he went to work for the administration of President Lyndon B. Johnson. Initially he worked for the National Labor Relations Board but in 1964 he became an attorney for the Federal Power Commission.

In 1966 McClellan joined the legal firm of Clark, Thomas and Winters, based in Austin, Texas. At that time the firm was run by the partners Edward Clark, Sam Winters, Don Thomas and Frank Denius. The company was closely associated with Lyndon B. Johnson and the Democratic Party in Texas. McClellan's work included advising on political strategy, campaign contributions, media issues and labour disputes.

In 1972 McClellan became a full partner in the legal firm. It was only at this stage that he was told about the illegal activities of the firm. John Cofer explained how the partners dealt with criminal activity: "In short, we helped plan crimes and keep the clients out of trouble." Soon afterwards he discovered that one of the partners, Edward Clark, had been involved in planning the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
The assassination of Kennedy allowed the oil depletion allowance to be kept at 27.5 per cent. It remained unchanged during the Johnson presidency. According to McClellan this resulted in a saving of over 100 million dollars to the American oil industry. Soon after Johnson left office it dropped to 15 per cent.

In 2004 The Guilty Men was shown on the History Channel. The programme looked at the possibility that Lyndon B. Johnson, Malcolm Wallace and Edward A. Clark were involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. The programme used evidence from McClellan's book Blood, Money and Power: How LBJ Killed JFK. It also used other sources such as the testimony of Madeleine Brown and Billie Sol Estes and the research of Walt Brown, Ed Tatro, Glen Sample, and Gregory Burnham. The Johnson family immediately complained about the programme. Gerald Ford also added his concerns and the History Channel took the decision not to repeat the original broadcast.



Haroldson Lafayette "H. L." Hunt, Jr. (February 17, 1889 – November 29, 1974), known throughout his life as "H. L. Hunt," was a Texas oil tycoon and political activist. By trading poker winnings for oil rights, he ultimately secured title to much of the East Texas Oil Field, one of the world's largest oil deposits. From it and his other acquisitions, he accrued a fortune that was among the world's largest; at the time of his death, he was reputed to have the highest net worth of any individual in the world. His personal life, which featured many children by three wives, was among the chief inspirations for the television series Dallas, whose character J.R. Ewing was largely based on popular perceptions of Hunt. The Texas city of Hunt is named after him.
In his audio confession, the late E. Howard Hunt said Morales and Lyndon Johnson were involved in the plot to kill JFK. Hunt said the code name for the assassination operation was “The Big Event.”

Johnson’s former mistress, Madeleine Duncan Brown, told author Robert Gaylon Ross prior to her death in 2002 that Johnson was involved in the murder, a plot that had its origins in the 1960 Democratic Convention, where John F. Kennedy was elected as presidential candidate with Johnson as his running mate. Johnson, according to Brown, colluded with oil tycoon H. L. Hunt to have Kennedy eliminated. “It was a total political crime and H.L. Hunt really controlled what actually happened to John Kennedy — he and Lyndon Johnson,” said Brown. “It was a political crime for political power.” Johnson had allegedly said on the night before the assassination: “Those SOBs will never embarrass me again.”

A preponderance of evidence points to government involvement in the Kennedy assassination. However, due to the intelligence practice of compartmentalization — and the murder and disappearance of key witnesses — we will probably never know the exact details of how the government killed not only John F. Kennedy, but also his brother Robert and the civil rights leader Martin Luther King.

Billie Sol Estes (January 10, 1925 – May, 2013[1]) was an American businessman; a former financier[2] best known for a business scandal that sent him to jail for fraud multiple times and complicated by his ties to friend and future U.S. President Lyndon Johnson.[3] Estes was living in Granbury, Texas at the time of his death. His body was discovered on May 14, 2013 at his home in deCordova.

Kennedy assassination allegations[edit]

Estes also alleged in the 1980s that he had inside knowledge that Johnson was involved in the assassination of Kennedy.[10][11] In 1984, he provided a voluntary statement to a Grand Jury in Texas alleging that the homicide of a key investigator in the Department of Agriculture case was perpetrated by an aide to Johnson, Malcolm Wallace, upon orders from the then-Vice President.[4] When the Department of Justice asked for more information, Estes responded that he would provide information on eight other murders ordered by Johnson, including the assassination of Kennedy, in exchange for immunity from prosecution and a pardon.[4] According to Estes, Johnson set up the assassination in order to become president.[4] They refused.

Estes reiterated the claim in a book he co-wrote with a French writer in 2003.[11][12] He said that he was not interested in writing the book – published only in France – but that he was offered "a few hundred thousand dollars" to contribute to it.[11] According to the Associated Press, the allegation was "rejected by prominent historians, Johnson aides and family members

Malcolm Wallace was born and educated in Texas. He was an intelligent man who graduated from the University of Texas and was quickly recruited by Lyndon Johnson and given a job at the Federal Department of Agriculture.

He first came to the attention of authorities when he was arrested in 1951, tried and convicted of killing a professional golfer named John Douglas Kinser. At the time, Kinser was having an affair with Lyndon Johnson's sister, Josefa -- and was also involved with Wallace's wife. Josepha was an alcoholic and drug user. She had a reputation for being promiscuous and, especially when she was high, she disclosed personal information and stories about Lyndon. It was feared that she might have already disclosed some illegal activities about Johnson to Kinser, specifically certain activities he had engaged in during his race for the Senate.

R.I.P. Larry Hagman  

Oh and who was Hagman protraying in "Dallas"?? the one who conspired with Vice Pres Johnson to murder a president?

Haroldson Lafayette "H. L." Hunt, Jr. (February 17, 1889 – November 29, 1974), known throughout his life as "H. L. Hunt," was a Texas oil tycoon and political activist. He built one of the world's largest fortunes by trading poker winnings for oil rights, ultimately securing title to much of the East Texas Oil Field, one of the world's largest. Reputed to be the wealthiest person in the world at the time of his death, his many children by three wives inspired the television series Dallas.


Madeleine Duncan Brown (July 5, 1925 – June 22, 2002) was born Madeleine Frances Duncan in Dallas, Texas. She was a businesswoman who worked for Glenn Advertising in Dallas. She is noted for her claim to have been the mistress of U.S. President Lyndon Johnson and for implicating Johnson in a conspiracy to kill President John F. Kennedy. Brown said that she met Johnson in 1948, following the death of her husband James Glynn Brown. She went public with the claim of a relationship with Johnson in 1997 — a relationship that was considered "an open secret" in Texas. She also said that her son, Steven Mark Brown, was fathered by Johnson. Steven Brown was born December 27, 1950, and died September 28, 1990. On June 1, 1987 Steven Brown filed a $10.5 million lawsuit against the former president's widow, Lady Bird claiming, "My legal birthrights have been violated and a conspiracy was formed to deprive me of my legal heir-ship."[1] Steven Brown died before the case could be settled.
In the documentary The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Madeleine Brown and May Newman (an employee of Texas oilman Clint Murchison) both placed FBI director J. Edgar Hoover at a social gathering at Murchison's mansion on November 21, 1963 — the night before the assassination of President Kennedy.[2][3]

Also in attendance, according to Brown, were John McCloy, Richard Nixon, George Brown, R. L. Thornton, and H. L. Hunt.[4] At the end of the evening, the sitting Vice President of the United States Lyndon Johnson arrived at the gathering. Brown gave this account:
Tension filled the room upon [Johnson's] arrival. The group immediately went behind closed doors. A short time later Lyndon, anxious and red-faced, reappeared. I knew how secretly Lyndon operated. Therefore I said nothing ... not even that I was happy to see him. Squeezing my hand so hard, it felt crushed from the pressure, he spoke with a grating whisper, a quiet growl, into my ear, not a love message, but one I'll always remember: "After tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again — that's no threat — that's a promise."[

Brown also claimed to have seen Lee Harvey Oswald with Jack Ruby in the latter's Carousel Club prior to the assassination. In addition, Brown said that on New Year's Eve 1963, Johnson confirmed the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, insisting that "Texas oil and those f**king renegade intelligence bastards in Washington" had been responsible.[6][7] Brown said that the plan to kill the President had its origins in the 1960 Democratic Convention, at which John F. Kennedy was nominated presidential candidate with Johnson as his running mate, where H.L. Hunt, an American oil tycoon, and Lyndon Johnson began to hatch the assassination plot:
When they met in California Joe Kennedy, John Kennedy's father, and H.L. Hunt met three days prior to the election — they finally cut a deal according to John Currington (an aide to H.L. Hunt) and H.L. finally agreed that Lyndon would go as the vice president ... this came from the horse's mouth way back in 1960 — when H.L. came back to Dallas I was walking ... with him ... and he made the remark, "We may have lost a battle but we're going to win a war," and then the day of the assassination he said, "Well, we won the war."[8]
Madeleine Brown died on June 22, 2002. Social Security records show the spelling of her name as Madeline F. Brown, and that she died in Dallas, Dallas County, Texas.
Oil in the Family

In 1935 oil tycoon H. L. Hunt, known as the richest man in America, created what would become a multi-billion-dollar trust for his descendants. Three generations later, a lawsuit by his free-spending great-grandson is shaking the foundations of that mighty family fortune.
At stake, according to internal Hill-family documents, is an oil-and-gas fortune worth between $2.5 billion and $4 billion, not to mention such appurtenances as a 50-yard-line box at the Dallas Cowboys’ Texas Stadium, luxury suites for the Dallas Mavericks, Dallas Stars, and Texas Rangers, and a $60 million ski lodge at the base of Vail Mountain.

Hunt Family Values
For more than two decades, I’ve walked a careful line between covering the Hunt family as a newspaper journalist in Dallas and, like many in this city, maintaining friendships with members of the multi-generational and prodigiously tentacled Hunt clan.

In 1930, when H. L. Hunt purchased the Daisy Bradford No. 3 oil well, in Rusk County, Texas, and leased the 5,000 acres around it, he locked up control of what turned out to be the largest pool of petroleum in the Lower 48. In time his great wealth would make its way into the hands of 14 acknowledged children. In an era when brash young computer and hedge-fund billionaires seem to earn most of the new money and public attention, it’s hard to recapture the mythic status that the Hunts and their riches once enjoyed. But imagine if Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Paul Allen, and Larry Ellison were siblings.
H. L. Hunt may have been the dynasty’s founder, but the successor generations were in some ways more industrious and imaginative. Bunker Hunt’s 1961 discovery of Libya’s Sarir oil field most likely made him the world’s richest private individual (on paper, anyway), until the Qaddafi regime nationalized his holdings, in 1973. Lamar Hunt spearheaded the creation of the American Football League.

In September 1982, when Forbes magazine published its first list of the 400 wealthiest Americans, the Hunt family claimed 5 of the top 10 spots. Margaret was No. 4, Caroline was No. 5, Lamar was No. 8, Herbert was No. 9, and Bunker was No. 10. In 1983 the family settled into its new headquarters, Thanksgiving Tower, a smoked-glass, 50-story Dallas office building, paid for in cash.

John F. Kennedy, Oil, and the War on Terror
On November 20th, 1963, between 11:30 – 11:40 a.m., President John F. Kennedy met with Lena Horne, Carol Lawrence, DNC chairman John M. Bailey, and others
Later that day, he issued a statement on the Extraordinary Administrative Radio Conference to Allocate Frequency Bands for Space Radio Communication Purposes, held in Geneva, Switzerland from October 7 to November 8, 1963. He invited other nations to participate in setting up a global communication satellite system. He spoke of “a peace system worldwide in scope.”
Following that, John Kennedy sent to the Congress the 17th annual report on U.S. participation in the United Nations, and then he signed into law bill (HR2073) to allow the conveyance of submerged and tidal lands to Guam, the Virgin Islands, and American Samoa if they are needed for economic development or other compelling reason. The John F. Kennedy Presidential Library Archives
At the end of the day, he had less than two days left…

The photo above - Texas Congressman Albert Thomas winking at the quickly smiling LBJ - the most revealing wink of the twentieth century! Seen better here:

Tapes that were recorded within months of President John F. Kennedy’s assassination and that have been sealed in a vault at the Kennedy Library in Boston are soon to be released. In the Tapes, former First Lady Jackie Kennedy reveals that she believed Vice President Lyndon Baines Johnson and other influential individuals orchestrated the Dallas shooting that killed her husband.
Texas oil man (and bigamist) H. L. Hunt. Bryan Burrough chronicles the fall of the Texas big rich

The evening before Kennedy's assasination there was a dinner party at the Murchison mansion in Dallas, Texas. The special guest was J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI. Other high level guests included Richard Nixon, H. L. Hunt (of Hunt Oil) and other special "guests" from the roster of the Del Charro Hotel.

H. L. Hunt  was likely the richest American in 1963. His estimated worth was about 5-billion dollars. He was especially interested in preserving the Oil Depletion Allowance and disliked the social programs proposed by the Kennedy administration. He told the gathering of compatriots that the only way to get Communists like the Kennedy brothers out of office is to "shoot 'em out."

Unknown to the general American public and never mentioned in history books is the fact that a Texas Grand Jury has officially indicted and found Lyndon Johnson guilty as a co-conspirator (from his association with Malcolm Wallace, Billie Sol Estes and Edward Clark) in the following nine (9) murders:

The killing of Henry Marshall (the Agriculture Secretary)
The killing of George Krutelnik (an FBI informant who worked for Estes)
The killing of Ike Rogers and his secretary
The killing of Harold Orr (an FBI informant who worked for Estes)
The killing of Coleman Wade (an FBI informant who wqorked for Estes)
The killing of Josefa Johnson (LBJ's own sister!)
The killing of John Kinser (Josefa's boyfriend)
The killing of President John Kennedy

Thanks, I remember the show "Dallas" when it was on and was taken by how everyone loved this show about the socio / psycho paths. It was after "The Godfather" so this got people into it . Then I heard how it was modeled on the Hunt Family. (Also see about the Marvin Davis family :
Dynasty - an American prime time television soap opera that aired on ABC from January 12, 1981 to October 22, 1991. The series, created by Richard & Esther Shapiro and produced by Aaron Spelling, revolved around the Carringtons, a wealthy oil family living in Denver, Colorado.[2] Starring John Forsythe, Linda Evans and Joan Collins as oil magnate Blake Carrington, his new wife Krystle, and his former wife Alexis. Dynasty was ABC's competitor to CBS's prime time series Dallas

So links:

Exactly 46 years late, odd clue into who lead the JFK execution team
Where was Nixon? (working for Pepsi...)

On November 21, 1963, the evening before JFK's assassination, Joan Crawford attended a Pepsi function in Dallas with Richard Nixon.  (,1014.htm
Richard Nixon's Greatest Cover-Up:  His Ties to the Assassination of President Kennedy by Don Fulsom

 Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura - JFK Deathbed Confession -  E. Howard Hunt's son and the recorded confession he got from his dad on his deathbed.   (
Friend Aaron Spelling loosely based the "Carrington" characters of his hit TV series Dynasty on the Davises, even filming an episode at their Colorado home
Marvin Davis AKA Marvin H. Davis

Born: 31-Aug-1925
Birthplace: Newark, NJ
Died: 25-Sep-2004
Location of death: Beverly Hills, CA
Cause of death: Illness
Remains: Buried, Westwood Memorial Park, Los Angeles, CA
Gender: Male Religion: Jewish Race or Ethnicity: White Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Business, Philanthropist
Party Affiliation: Democratic

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Oil magnate, former owner of 20th Century Fox
Marvin Davis (pictured here dwarfing pal Henry Kissinger) made his money at the helm of his father Jack's Davis Oil Company. When OPEC put the squeeze on the US in the 70's reducing foreign oil imports, Davis profited enormously from cheap leases he had obtained in the Rockies, Texas and Louisiana. During this period the number of domestic exploratory drillings Davis Oil pursued were only outmatched by Royal Dutch Shell, Amoco and Exxon.

In 1981 Davis split the bill with Marc Rich to complete a leveraged buyout of 20th Century Fox but sold the company to Rupert Murdoch four years later. Both men also donated heavily to the presidential campaigns of Bill Clinton, with Davis later forging ahead alone to do major fundraising for Hillary Clinton, Rich being something of persona non grata by that time.

Father: Jack Davis (British immigrant, founder of Davis Oil Company)
Mother: Jean Spitzer
Sister: Joan Chorney
Wife: Barbara Levine Davis
Daughter: Patricia Ann Davis Raynes
Son: John Davis
Daughter: Nancy Davis Rickel (mother of Brandon Davis, godmother to Nicole Richie)
Son: Gregg Davis (president of Davis Petroleum)
Daughter: Dana Davis
Marvin Davis Heir Cheated Family Out of Millions, Daughter Says
By Thom Weidlich - March 19, 2009 00:01 EDT

March 19 (Bloomberg) -- Nancy Davis, daughter of late billionaire Marvin Davis, alleges her brother Gregg cheated his siblings and mother out of millions of dollars by low-balling the value of the family oil company in a forced bankruptcy sale.
Marvin Davis died at 79 in September 2004 with a fortune of $5.8 billion, according to Forbes magazine. In the 1960s, he took control of Davis Oil Co., an earlier family company started by his father, Jack, and became a wildcatter, drilling wells in unexplored areas, particularly in the Rocky Mountains. In 1981 he sold most of his oil and natural-gas holdings for $630 million.

Four Months

Less than four months after Marvin Davis died, his son Gregg began working with Mesdag to arrange a management-led buyout of Davis Petroleum because it needed new capital, according to court papers. Marvin Davis’s widow, Barbara, owned 56 percent and her three daughters and two sons owned 8.8 percent each. Gregg Davis, who lives in Houston, was president of the company and the only family member who was an officer.
Bankruptcy Plan

In her complaint, which doesn’t mention the defaults, Nancy Davis maintains that if her family had known that the buyers were undervaluing the company and its oil reserves, they never would have voted for the bankruptcy plan.

Gregg Davis misrepresented the true value of Davis Petroleum and created the false appearance of emergency,” she alleged in her proposed filing.
Marvin Davis, Oil and Entertainment Mogul, Dies at 79
By PATRICK HEALY Published: September 26, 2004

Marvin H. Davis, a billionaire who amassed his fortune through well-timed deals in the oil and entertainment industries, died Saturday at his home in Beverly Hills, Calif., a family spokesman said. He was 79.
Mr. Davis was born on Aug. 31, 1925, in Newark, the son of Jack and Jean Spitzer Davis. His family history seemed part legend, friends said. His father immigrated from London and sold ready-to-wear dresses in New York City. Mr. Davis often told friends that his father had been a stowaway and a failed prizefighter.

"Some of Marvin's stories were better stories than they were fact," Mr. Kneser said.

Mr. Davis's family later moved to Colorado, where he and his father made money buying low-priced oil and gas leases throughout the Rocky Mountains and then doing extensive drilling.

Mr. Kneser said Mr. Davis had been a pioneer of the oil deal known as the "third for a quarter," where an oil prospector insulates himself from risk by selling one-quarter of a well for one-third of the price of the well. Essentially, he drilled his own wells with other people's money. He also became a major real estate developer in Denver, acquiring a huge shopping center and office complex.

In 1981, Mr. Davis sold most of his oil holdings for $600 million to the Canadian company Hiram Walker-Consumers Home Ltd.

He then turned his eye toward Hollywood and, with Marc Rich, the financier later pardoned by President Bill Clinton, bought 20th Century Fox for $725 million. Newspaper and magazine articles estimated that Mr. Davis made $325 million when he sold to Mr. Murdoch in 1985.

He also made hundreds of millions in profits when, in 1990, he sold Pebble Beach for $841 million.

But Mr. Davis's career was marred by accusations of wrongdoing over the years. The Justice Department accused one of his companies of violating federal oil-pricing policies. The case was settled in 1981, with Mr. Davis paying a $20,000 fine. Business partners accused him in civil lawsuits of inflating the results of his oil wells.

In Hollywood, he took to the notability attached to running a major studio. He named former President Gerald R. Ford and Henry A. Kissinger to the board of Fox, helped guide his son John into the entertainment business and played host at lavish parties for the studio.

Mr. Kneser said that Mr. Davis had been plagued by health problems since 1990, but that he and his wife remained fixtures in Beverly Hills social circles. They raised money for diabetes research and had a lavish annual party called the Carousel Ball.

In addition to his wife, Mr. Davis is survived by three daughters, Patricia Ann Davis Raynes, Nancy Davis Rickel and Dana Davis; two sons, John Davis and Gregg Davis; and his sister, Joan Chorney.

25OCT96: ANTONIO BANDERAS with MELANIE GRIFFITH BARBARA DAVIS, former President GERALD FORD & MARVIN DAVIS (sitting) at the Carousel of Hope Ball at the Beverly Hilton Hotel. Pix: PAUL SMITH

The downside of this book is that it doesn't reveal "how" Marc Rich won crucial contracts, established relationships and competed with other commodity traders. Perhaps it's too hard to reconstruct the deal-making conversations, but it would be interesting to hear the inside stories of those critical turning points in his career.

Marc Rich (born December 18, 1934) is an international commodities trader.[1] He was indicted in the United States on federal charges of illegally making oil deals with Iran during the late 1970s-early 1980s Iran hostage crisis and tax evasion. He was in Switzerland at the time of the indictment and has never returned to the U.S.

He subsequently received a presidential pardon from U.S. President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001, Clinton's last day in office.

Marcell David Reich was born in 1934 to a Jewish family in Antwerp, Belgium. His family emigrated to the United States in 1941 to escape the Nazis. Rich attended high school at the Rhodes Preparatory School in the Manhattan borough of New York City. He later attended New York University, in Manhattan, but dropped out after one semester to go work for Philipp Brothers (now known as Phibro LLC). He worked as a commodities trader for his father, who sought to build an American manufacturing fortune through burlap-sack production.
Rich has been credited with having created the spot market for crude oil in the early 1970s, revolutionizing commodity trading.[4] His tutelage under Philipp Brothers afforded Rich opportunities to strike deals with various dictatorial régimes and embargoed nations, such as Iran, using a special relationship with Ayatollah Khomeini, the leader of the 1979 Iranian Revolution which saw the overthrow of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran. Despite the American embargo, Iran would become Rich's most important supplier of crude oil for more than 15 years.[5] He earned billions selling oil for the Iranian ayatollahs.

In May 2007 Rich received an honorary doctorate from Bar Ilan University, Ramat Gan, Israel, in recognition of his contribution to Israel and to the university's research programs.[17][18]

He received the same honor from Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Beersheba, Israel, on November 18, 2007.[19]

The Chaim Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer in suburban Tel-Aviv, Israel, honored Rich with the "Sheba Humanitarian Award 2008". Former recipients of this award include actor Michael Douglas, actress Elizabeth Taylor and former U.S. President Gerald R. Ford.

His company, Marc Rich Real Estate GmbH, is involved in large developer projects (e.g., in Prague, Czech Republic).[6]

Rich was also accused of being involved with the Bank of Credit and Commerce International BCCI.
Metal Men: How Marc Rich Defrauded the Country, Evaded the Law, and Became the World's Most Sought-After Corporate Criminal [Paperback]
It begins about the origins of metal trading and goes directly to writing about the people who learned it, changed it and became successful than any other's dreams in the persona of, Marc Rich And Pincus Green. It will explain how commodities works, trading in them is accomplished and the ability to go from Mail Rooms to Board Rooms because of hard work, smarts and guile to do it.

The book explains how oil was once controlled by the "Seven Sisters Oil Companies (Exxon, Mobil, BP, Shell, Gulf, Chevron and Texaco), who have since merged among themselves. Everything about the product from ground to shipping to refining to market was dominated by them until Marc Rich and Pinky Green. This is just a portion of what the book is about with facts too real for fiction. Mr. Rich and Green built over a 30 billion dollar business in over 125 countries and is the true multi-national that the world have come to know today.
PRINCE HANS ADAM LIECHTENSTEIN Palace telephone number featured in 2011 "SWISS BILLIONAIRES LIST". February 26, 2011
FURST HANS ADAM is the owner of the super-secret tax haven bank LGT - BANK IN LIECHTENSTEIN.

The Prince recently appointed his grandson PRINCE MAXIMILLIAN as the new Chairman of the Board of LGT BANK..

The "SWISS BILLIONAIRES LIST" 2011 Edition indexes 144 swiss billionaires.

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[FURST] Prince Hans Adam Liechtenstein,
 Ernesto Bertarelli,  Dr. Spiro Latsis,  GiGi Oeri,  Walter Haefner,  Stanislaus H.M. Brinninkmeijer,  Klaus Michael Kukne,  Karl Heinz Kipp,  Pierre Landolt,
 Marc Landolt,  Philip Landolt,  Nick Landolt,  Dr. Thomas Schmidheiny,  Cristina Liebherr,  Jorge Lemann,  Luc Bonnard,  Gianluigi Aponte,
 Heinz George Baus,  Urs Wietisbach,  Marcel Erni,  Jean Claude Mimran,  Oudi Recanati,  Theo Muller,  Karl Scheufele,  Ralph Sonnenberg,
Philippe Stern,  Charles Stern,  Hans H. Coninx,  Erben Dornier,  Klaus Endress,  Walter Frey,  Philippe Gaydoul,  Klaus Gerbert,  Christoph Haag,
Rolf Gerling,  Nicolas Scheri,  Carl hirschmann,  Rudolf Maag,  Adam Mackie,  Ashley Mackie,  Anna Inabnit,  Dr. Rolland Yves Mauvernay,
Marc Rich,
Dr. Martin O. Pestalozzi, Frederik Paulson,  Frank Stronach,  Hans Dieter Vontobel,  Ronald de Waal,  Hans Peter Wild,  Otto Beisheim,

Bernie Ecclestone,

Dr. Christoph Blocher, Lawrence Graff, Michael Hilti, Micky Maus, Oliver Maus, Bertrand Maus, and Robert Mathys

all of whom are SWISS BILLIONAIRES.

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Celebrities in Switzerland sorted by category

The king of commodities has lived in Zug since 1983. Marc Rich was born in 1934 to a Jewish family who emigrated to the USA during the war. At the age of 20, he was hired by Phillips Brothers, a top global commodities trader, and then founded his own company in 1973, Marc Rich & Co.

He invented spot oil trading, and reaped his first billion in profit during the second oil crisis of 1979. Wanted by the American justice system for having traded with Iran and for tax evasion, Marc Rich sought exile in Switzerland in 1983. He set up his head office in Zug, where taxes are the lowest in Switzerland.

Marc Rich created the Doron Foundation, which supports such institutions as the Zurich Opera, the Internal Festival of Lucerne and the ZugHockey Club.

The business man's fortune stands in fact at over 2 billion Swiss francs. He lives in La Villa Rose, a mansion on the shores of Lake Lucerne, in Meggen, not far from Lucerne. Marc Rich also owns a home in Marbella, Spain, and a chalet on the slopes of St. Moritz, only a few minutes by helicopter from his villa.

Sentenced to 325 years in prison by the American justice, Marc Rich was pardoned by Bill Clinton at the end of 2000. In February, 2001, his firm Marc Rich & Co. merged with Crown Resources, which also has its head office in Zug.

Exactly 46 years late, odd clue into who lead the JFK execution team

Oh I missed this bit:

Mary Jo Kopechne was a "roomate" of Nancy Carole Tyler , Bobby Baker's "girlfriend" .....
Oh and they both died tragically....
According to the president's secretary, Evelyn Lincoln, Kennedy had decided that because of this emerging scandal he was going to drop Lyndon B. Johnson as his running mate in the 1964 election. He told Lincoln that he was going to replace Johnson with Terry Sanford.

On 22nd November, 1963, a friend of Baker's, Don B. Reynolds told B. Everett Jordan and his Senate Rules Committee that Johnson had demanded that he provided kickbacks in return for this business. This included a $585 Magnavox stereo. Reynolds also had to pay for $1,200 worth of advertising on KTBC, Johnson's television station in Austin. Reynolds had paperwork for this transaction including a delivery note that indicated the stereo had been sent to the home of Johnson.

Don B. Reynolds also told of seeing a suitcase full of money which Baker described as a "$100,000 payoff to Johnson for his role in securing the Fort Worth TFX contract". His testimony came to an end when news arrived that President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated.
As soon as Lyndon B. Johnson became president he contacted B. Everett Jordan to see if there was any chance of stopping this information being published. Jordan replied that he would do what he could but warned Johnson that some members of the committee wanted Reynold's testimony to be released to the public. On 6th December, 1963, Jordan spoke to Johnson on the telephone and said he was doing what he could to suppress the story because " it might spread (to) a place where we don't want it spread."

Abe Fortas, a lawyer who represented both Lyndon B. Johnson and Bobby Baker, worked behind the scenes in an effort to keep this information from the public. Johnson also arranged for a smear campaign to be organized against Don B. Reynolds. To help him do this J. Edgar Hoover passed to Johnson the FBI file on Reynolds.
Nancy Carole Tyler moved back to Tennessee but returned in 1965 to work with Baker as his bookkeeper at the Carousel Motel. Tyler believed that Baker would leave his wife. When he refused, she became very angry and according to Baker, made scenes. This included threats to commit suicide.
On 10th May, 1965, Baker's secretary, Nancy Carole Tyler, died in a plane crash, near Ocean City, Maryland,. Her roommate, Mary Jo Kopechne, died in road accident when a passenger of a car driven by Edward Kennedy.
Robert Gene Baker (born November 12, 1928, in Pickens, South Carolina) is a former political adviser to Lyndon B. Johnson, and an organizer for the Democratic Party.

During 1962, Baker established the Serv-U Corporation with his friend, Fred Black. The company was designed to provide vending machines for companies working for federally granted programs. Though a part of numerous other deals involving both politics and private financial affairs, this particular business venture would cause a scandal. The Serv-U Corporation deal became the subject of allegations of conflict of interest and corruption after a disgruntled former government contractor sued Baker and Black in civil court. This lawsuit eventually generated a great deal of press.[6]

In September 1963, an investigation was begun by the Republican-led Senate Rules Committee into Baker's business and political activities.[7] Baker was investigated for allegations of congressional bribery using money and arranged sexual favors, in exchange for votes and government contracts. Criticized increasingly, Baker resigned his job as Secretary of the Senate on October 7, 1963

According to author Evan Thomas, the President's brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, was able to arrange a deal with J. Edgar Hoover to quell mention of the Rometsch allegations in the Senate investigation of Bobby Baker. Hoover successfully limited the Senate investigation of Baker by threatening to release embarrassing information about senators contained in FBI files. In exchange for this, Robert Kennedy reassured Hoover that his job as FBI Director was secure and also reluctantly agreed to allow the FBI to proceed with wiretaps that Hoover had requested on Martin Luther King to try and prove King's close confidants and advisers were communists.[9][10]

Although Lyndon Johnson was not involved in Baker's business dealing after 1960, the Senate investigation looked into their questionable financial activities in the 1950s. This was a problem for Johnson and there were rumors he would be dropped from the 1964 presidential ticket.[11] After word of the assassination of John F. Kennedy reached Washington on November 22, 1963, the Senate investigation was delayed. Thereafter, any investigation of Lyndon Johnson as part of the Baker investigation was dropped

Bobby baker - LBJ

January 1966. Bobby Baker is indicted by a federal grand jury on nine felony counts, including theft, misappropriation of campaign funds, and income tax evasion. Baker had been Secretary to the Senate Majority Leader from 1955-1963, and had worked closely with LBJ from 1955-1961 when LBJ held that position. Despite his youth—he was only 26 when he rose to the Secretary position—he knew almost as much about Senators and the Senate as LBJ did himself, and he had been very valuable to Johnson in shepherding legislation and in keeping Democratic Senators in line. His nickname was ”the 101st Senator.”

Also see:


Early Days of Clint Murchison Sr.

Clint Murchison Sr., born in 1895, was the son of a banker, John Weldon Murchison, owner of the First National Bank of Athens, Texas. Murchison’s instinctive mastery of banking and lending practices translated easily into an understanding of the new business of oil and gas exploration. Murchison is widely credited as the most financially sophisticated of the early oilmen. Murchison was instrumental in the initiation of a number of financial innovations in the oil fields, reportedly including the novel concept of reserve based financing. By 1919, Clint Murchison Sr., at the age of 24, along with his childhood friend Sid Richardson, founder of the Bass family fortune, had both become millionaires trading in oil leases in one of the early Texas boomtowns, Burkburnett, Texas
May 21, 1956 - A Business Of 'brim'

To Texas Millionaire Clint Murchison and his cronies, the pursuit of this sunfish is a disease which can only partially be cured at Koon Kreek Klub
Helen Markel

The small, sleepy town of Athens, Texas (pop. 5,300) has the enviable reputation of producing more millionaires per capita than any other place in the U.S., but, unlike most small towns whose local sons have gone away to make good, the rich ex-Athenians can't stay away. No matter how big they become, the handful that has earned Athens its reputation is helplessly drawn back by the lure of a few days' "brim fishin' " at the Koon Kreek Klub (opposite)—an angler's paradise which, though peopled by millionaires, has managed to remain as cultivatedly unpretentious, in a luxurious way, as its members.

Among the old Athens residents who can never stay away for long when the bream (pronounced brim) are biting at Koon Kreek are Clinton Williams Murchison and his oilman crony Sid Richardson, who are firmly convinced that there is no other kind of fishing.

Like its members, Koon Kreek does, of course, have its little luxuries...such as guides to bait the members' hooks and remove the fish therefrom—"gives a man time to do a little figuring," Murchison explains—but a stranger coming upon the club in the east Texas wilderness might mistake it for the summer headquarters of the Salvation Army. This suits Clint and the other Koon Kreekers fine. There he and Richardson and such close-knit Athenians as Oilmen Ike LaRue and George Greer spend many a weekend just loafing around the place in old clothes, playing a wild Athenian version of gin rummy, doing a little drinking and a lot of fishing—for bream, of course.

The club was founded in 1901 when gentlemen anglers from Dallas would drive the 75 miles to Athens by horse and buggy for a weekend's sport. Members who have fished around the world maintain against all comers that Koon Kreek has the best fishing in the world. Teddy Roosevelt was entertained there often, although his cousin Franklin, said a founding father recently, could never get in the front door.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: EvadingGrid on November 10, 2013, 11:31:04 am
Geraldo Rivera Yesterday on Fox was essentially saying there is no evidence that JFK was kill by anyone else other than a lone gunman. When Alex interviewed him a few weeks ago I thought maybe there was hope for him, but now it am very doubtful.

Geraldo Rivera -> Wot an idiot
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 10, 2013, 12:56:37 pm
Geraldo Rivera -> Wot an idiot

Yes his name comes up BECAUSE he showed the first public showing of the Zapruder film in 1975 -  
where Rivera refers to the assassination as an EXECUTION (Kennedy a criminal?) the Zapruder film pretty much prove a shot from the front that did not come from the supposed shots from Oswald
On This Date in March 6, 1975, Geraldo Aired the Zapruder Film for the First Time

... the film didn't air on U.S. network television until 1975, when a youthful Geraldo Rivera debuted the footage on ABC's Good Night America.

Bob Groden debuts the extant Zapruder film on Geraldo Rivera's "Good Night America" show in March, 1975. Although the film was showed to the courtroom at the Clay Shaw trial in 1969, this was the first widespread public showing of the film. The film's appearance on this show led to the creation of the House Select Committee on Assassinations two years later.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 11, 2013, 11:14:10 am
New US AirCraft Carrier Named After Globalist President.


Earl Warren and members of the Warren Commission present completed Report to President Lyndon Baines Johnson on September 24, 1964.
 In the photo are (left to right): John McCloy, J. Lee Rankin (General Counsel), Senator Richard Russell, Congressman Gerald Ford, Chief Justice Earl Warren, President Lyndon Johnson, Allen Dulles, Senator John Sherman Cooper, and Congressman Hale Boggs.
Gerald Ford forced to admit the Warren Report fictionalized

Cited under "fair use".
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (July 2) - Thirty-three years ago, Gerald R. Ford took pen in hand and changed - ever so slightly - the Warren Commission's key sentence
on the place where a bullet entered John F. Kennedy's body when he was killed in Dallas.

The effect of Ford's change was to strengthen the commission's conclusion that a single bullet passed through Kennedy and severely wounded Texas
Gov. John Connally - a crucial element in its finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole gunman.

A small change, said Ford on Wednesday when it came to light, one intended to clarify meaning, not alter history.

''My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory,'' he said in a telephone interview from Beaver Creek, Colo. ''My changes were only an
attempt to be more precise.''

But still, his editing was seized upon by members of the conspiracy community, which rejects the commission's conclusion that Oswald acted

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 11, 2013, 11:23:47 am
Boggs was most likely the motivator of Jim Garrison (yet he never acknowledged that)

BOGGS, Thomas Hale, Sr., (1914 - 1972)
Boggs had doubts that John F. Kennedy and J. D. Tippit had been killed by Lee Harvey Oswald and that Jack Ruby was not part of any conspiracy." According to Bernard Fensterwald: "Almost from the beginning, Congressman Boggs had been suspicious over the FBI and CIA's reluctance to provide hard information when the Commission's probe turned to certain areas, such as allegations that Oswald may have been an undercover operative of some sort. When the Commission sought to disprove the growing suspicion that Oswald had once worked for the FBI, Boggs was outraged that the only proof of denial that the FBI offered was a brief statement of disclaimer by J. Edgar Hoover. It was Hale Boggs who drew an admission from Allen Dulles that the CIA's record of employing someone like Oswald might be so heavily coded that the verification of his service would be almost impossible for outside investigators to establish."

It has been claimed by John Judge that when Alan Dulles was asked by Hale Boggs about releasing the evidence, he replied, "Go ahead and print it, nobody will read it anyway."

According to one of his friends: "Hale felt very, very torn during his work (on the Commission) ... he wished he had never been on it and wished he'd never signed it (the Warren Report)." Another former aide argued that, "Hale always returned to one thing: Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission - on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the gun, you name it."

Thomas Hale Boggs disappeared while on a campaign flight from Anchorage to Juneau, Alaska, on 16th October, 1972. Also killed in the accident was Nick Begich, a member of the House of Representatives. No bodies were ever found and in 1973 his wife, Lindy Boggs, was elected in her husband's place.

The Los Angeles Star, on November 22, 1973, reported that before his death Boggs claimed he had "startling revelations" on Watergate and the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

A New Orleans-style goodbye set for Lindy Boggs

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NEW ORLEANS (AP) — It was a New Orleans-style send-off for Lindy Boggs: Scores of her friends, family and colleagues gathered Thursday in a historic French Quarter cathedral to hear dignitaries praise the former Democratic congresswoman as a gracious but iron-willed fighter for her home city and for the civil rights of women and minorities.

Boggs died Saturday at age 97.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi called her a "diamond magnolia." John Lewis, the African-American civil rights leader and longtime Georgia congressman, referred to Boggs, a plantation-born white Southerner, as "my friend, my colleague, my sister."

Boggs' grandson, Thomas Hale Boggs III, read messages of condolence from President Barack Obama and former President Bill Clinton. There were emotional tributes from Mayor Mitch Landrieu; former U.S. Sen. John Breaux; and two more grandchildren, Elizabeth Boggs Davidsen and Rebecca Boggs Roberts delivered as Boggs' children, journalist Cokie Roberts and lobbyist Thomas Hale Boggs Jr., watched.

Boggs represented New Orleans for 18 years after succeeding her late husband, Thomas Hale Boggs Sr., in the House of Representatives. She later served as the U.S. ambassador to the Vatican.
Boggs' congressional service began when, in a special election in 1973, voters elected her to finish the term of her husband, whose plane had disappeared over Alaska six months earlier. Between them, they served a half-century in the House. He was first elected in 1940, two years after the couple married.

She was the first woman elected to Congress from Louisiana. When she announced her retirement in 1990, she was the only white representative of a majority-black district in Congress. "I am proud to have played a small role in opening doors for blacks and women," she said at the time.

A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's Assassination, and the Case that ...
 By Joan Mellen

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Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 11, 2013, 01:24:19 pm
Interesting - try to find a photo of LBJ's limo in the JFK motorcade in Dealey plaza....
Did LBJ "Duck"?
January 27, 1996
Former Texas Senator Ralph Yarborough Dies
 Senator Yarborough with JFK & LBJ

7: LBJ and the Connally - Yarborough incident
 According to this one there was a severe argument between LBJ and JFK regarding the seating arrangement in the Dallas motorcade. JFK wanted Senator Ralph Yarborough to sit in the same car with Johnson and Governor Connally in the Presidential limousine. On the contrary LBJ was furious with this arrangement since he hated Yarborough for his political views and he demanded that Connally sit next to him and Yarborough sit with Kennedy. Those who believe that LBJ planned the plot take this incident as proof that LBJ knew that an assassination attempt was to happen during the parade in Dallas and he wanted to protect his good friend Connally and have Yarborough shot along with JFK.

The problem is that LBJ refused to sit next to the senator not because he knew about the assassination, but because he disliked the man and could not stand the sight of him. And it was mutual.

When Kennedy arrived in Texas, Connally organized a dinner in his mansion to honor the President. Yarborough was furious when he learned that he was not placed at the head table with Kennedy and that his wife was not invited at all. He was fuming and he held LBJ responsible for the arrangement and refused to sit next to him. That was the cause of the heated argument between JFK and LBJ that many overheard.

November 1963

Yarborough rode in the Dallas motorcade in which John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963. He was in a convertible with Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, Lady Bird Johnson (who sat between Yarborough and Johnson), United States Secret Service agent Rufus Youngblood, and Hurchel Jacks of the Texas State Highway Patrol.

From the start of the President's tour of Texas, Yarborough considered that he had been slighted by some of the arrangements and so, in the early stages, refused to ride with Johnson, despite repeated pleas by Youngblood.[8] His decision, underpinned by a long-standing feud with Governor Connally,[9] an old friend and erstwhile ally of Johnson, caused embarrassment to both the President and Vice-President and drew considerable diversionary attention in the press.[10]

According to Johnson, Kennedy considered Yarborough's behavior "an outrage"[11] and there is some evidence of a heated exchange between Kennedy and Johnson the night before the President's death. According to Johnson's biographer, Robert Caro, the following morning in Fort Worth, Kennedy intervened directly with Yarborough, making clear that, if he valued his friendship, he would ride with Johnson when the party reached Dallas.

Then, during the short flight from Fort Worth, Kennedy persuaded Connally to give Yarborough a more prominent role in some of the later functions planned in Austin.[12] In the ensuing motorcade, the car carrying Yarborough and the Vice President was two cars behind that carrying Kennedy and Connally (who was seriously wounded during the attack on the President).[13] In a later interview, Yarborough called the event, "the most tragic event of my life."[14] Shortly after Johnson became President, Yarborough telephoned him in conciliatory and supportive terms

Published on: November 11, 2013
by National Enquirer online staff

EXPOSED! Former Presidential aide says he has bombshell new evidence revealing America’s greatest coverup claiming that VP Lyndon Johnson was behind the assassination of President JOHN F. KENNEDY.

President John F. Kennedy’s world-shattering assassination while riding in a Dallas motorcade was masterminded by the power- crazed man who took his place in the White House – then Vice President Lyndon Johnson!

Those are the bombshell charges dropped in a blockbuster new book coming out on the eve of the 50th anniversary of JFK’s death by Roger Stone. The author previously  worked on the Committee to Re-Elect Nixon in 1972 and then served in the Office of Economic Opportunity during Nixon’s scandal ridden second administration.

“If Roger Stone is right – this will change American history forever,” says a long-time Washington insider.

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Does anyone have pictures of LBJ ducking down in his limo as he reached Dealey Plaza? The assertion by Jean Hill, as noted in this video, that he was practically on the floor before he reached Elm Street is interesting and I would like to know if it can be verified. Thanks all.
LBJ's Secret Service Instructed Motorcade Route Changed - Johnson ducked before the shooting! (lady in Red)
Lyndon Johnson is MISSING in the famous Altgens photo

I  think Lyndon Johnson was fully aware that death was awaiting John Kennedy on Elm Street. Meaning: LBJ was in on the assassination and aware of the details of it. The world famous Altgens photo was taken approx 1-3 seconds after the first shot in Dealey Plaza.

 The first car is JFK's limo. Question has JFK already been hit at this point, perhaps from the front in the throat. The second car is the "Queen Mary" containing a bunch of secret service guys. Clint Hill is the closest one to the lovely Jackie Kennedy.

 In the third car back, a Lincoln convertible I think, we see Lady Bird Johnson sitting in the back middle wearing a white pill box hat. To her left is Texas Senator Ralph Yarborough, who hates LBJ by the way. Lyndon Johnson tried to have Ralph Yarborough put in into JFK's limo and Connally put back with him and Lady Bird. LBJ did this the day of the assassination.

 Sitting to the right of Lady Bird - or rather, DUCKING to the right of Lady Bird, is Lyndon Johnson. Do you see him ... or is he MISSING from the photo?
 Lyndon Johnson ALSO tried to - before the Texas trip - plead/argue/demand with John Kennedy so that Jackie would ride in Lyndon's car!; probably because LBJ did not want Jackie to get HER brains blown out, because LBJ was a "gentleman."

 So the big question I have for you, is WHERE IS LYNDON JOHNSON IN THE ALTGEN'S PHOTO? I don't see him. Do you?

The Senator who Suspected a JFK Conspiracy

In 1963, on the day John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Ralph Yarborough rode in the motorcade only two cars back from the presidential limousine.  Yarborough was in the same convertible as Vice President Lyndon Johnson, Lady Bird Johnson, and secret service agent Rufus Youngblood.   --Wikipedia
Yarborough's Suspicion of Lyndon Johnson
"There is the well-publicized story of Agent Rufus Youngblood, who reportedly threw himself on top of Vice President Johnson after the shooting began in Dealey Plaza....  Johnson, in a statement to the Warren Commission, mentioned the incident:

I was startled by a sharp report or explosion, but I had no time to speculate as to its origin because Agent Youngblood turned in a flash, immediately after the first explosion, hitting me on the shoulder, and shouted to all of us in the back seat to get down.  I was pushed down by Agent Youngblood.  Almost in the same moment in which he hit or pushed me, he vaulted over the back seat and sat on me.  I was bent over under the weight of Agent Youngblood's body, toward Mrs. Johnson and Senator Yarborough....

However, former Texas senator Ralph Yarborough, who was sitting beside Johnson that day, told this author: 'It just didn't happen....  It was a small car, Johnson was a big man, tall.  His knees were up against his chin as it was.  There was no room for that to happen.'   Yarborough recalled that both Johnson and Youngblood ducked down as the shooting began and that Youngblood never left the front seat [/size].  Yarborough said Youngblood held a small walkie-talkie over the back of the car's seat and that he and Johnson both put their ears to the device.  He added:  'They had it turned down real low.  I couldn't hear what they were listening to.'"
--Jim Marrs, Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy


1963 Press Photo Secret Service agent Rufus Youngblood saved VP Johnson
"Eyewitness to the Death of a President"
Gary Goettling

Georgia Tech  Spring, 1992.  15-22.
     As the special agent in charge of the vice presidential Secret Service detail, Youngblood rode in an open Lincoln convertible with Lyndon Johnson, Lady Bird Johnson, Texas Sen. Ralph
Yarborough and a driver.  Only a Secret Service follow-up car separated him from the president's limousine, and the violence that unfolded there with graphic finality on a warm Dallas afternoon
28 years ago.
Up until the time the presidential motorcade turned onto Elm Street, "it looked like just another very successful political trip," Youngblood remembers.  "They wanted crowds, and
they got crowds.

     As the procession crawled into Dealey Plaza, Youngblood glanced up at the clock on the roof of the Texas School Book Depository.  It flashed 12:30.  Less than a minute to the freeway, and
only five minutes to the Trade Mart, he thought.
That instant, piercing through the shouts of the  thinning crowd, and the stuttering and backfiring of police motorcycle's, Youngblood heard the shattering crack! of a rifle.  His reaction was
immediate and instinctive.

     "Get down!" he yelled.  "GET DOWN!"  And in the time it takes to pull the bolt of a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, Youngblood had vaulted over the back of the limousine seat onto Vice
President Johnson, pushing him to the floor of the Lincoln convertible and shielding Johnson's body with his own.

     Johnson, in his statement to the Warren Commission, said that Youngblood reacted immediately after the first shot by the time the second shot and fatal third shot were fired into

     Youngblood's heroic action earned him the Treasury Department's highest honor, the Exceptional Service Award, presented by President Johnson on Dec. 4, 1963.

     In his own testimony before the Warren Commission, Youngblood said: "As we were beginning to go down this incline, all of a sudden there was an explosive noise.  I quickly observed unnatural
movement of crowds, like ducking or scattering, and quick movements in the presidential follow-up car.  So I turned around and hit the vice president on the shoulder and hollered 'Get down,'
and then looked around and saw more of this movement, and so I proceeded to go to the back seat and get on top of him."

     From his position, Youngblood noticed, "a grayish blur in the air above the right side of the president's car" right after the third shot.

"There were shouts from ahead, then the cars in front of us lurched forward under the underpass.
I yelled to our driver, 'Stay with them and keep close!'"

     From his uncomfortable sprawled position on the back seat, Johnson asked what happened. Youngblood replied that the president had been shot, and that they were headed to the hospital.

    "My god!  They've shot the President!"  Exclaimed Sen. Yarborough, who shared the back seat of the limousine with the vice president.

Lady Bird Johnson, seated between the two men, cried out,  "Oh no,  that can't be!"

Joan Crawford and Nixon were in town for the Pepsi Board meeting ....

Where was Nixon?
Al Steele and Pepsi Cola Company
Crawford married her final husband, Alfred Steele, at the Flamingo Hotel in Las Vegas on May 10. 1955.[37] Crawford and Steele met at a party in 1950 when Steele was an executive with Coca-Cola. They renewed their acquaintance at a New Year's Eve party in 1954. Steele by that time had become the president of Pepsi Cola.[38] Crawford traveled extensively on behalf of Pepsi following the marriage. She estimated that she traveled over 100,000 miles for the company.[2] Steele died of a heart attack in April 1959. Crawford was initially advised that her services were no longer required. After she told the story to Louella Parsons, Pepsi reversed its position and Crawford was elected to fill the vacant seat on the board of directors.[39]

Kendall, Donald. Born in 1921, Kendall began working for Pepsi after WWII, rising to Vice President by the 1950s, when he was instrumental in opening the Soviet market to the soft drink. He became president of Pepsi in 1963.  He and Joan did not get along, and Joan often referred to him as "Fang." A protege of Pepsi chairman Al Steele's and friend of Richard Nixon's

On November 21, 1963, the evening before JFK's assassination, Joan Crawford attended a Pepsi function in Dallas with Richard Nixon.,1014.htm
Richard Nixon's Greatest Cover-Up:  His Ties to the Assassination of President Kennedy
by Don Fulsom
July 23, 1963: Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa tells his lawyer, Frank Ragano, "Something has to be done. The time has come for your friend (Santos Trafficante) and Carlos (Marcello) to get rid of him, kill that son-of-a-bitch John Kennedy."

Nov. 8: Oswald allegedly writes a note to a "Mr. Hunt" asking for "information."

Nov. 21: Ostensibly in Dallas to attend a Pepsi Cola convention, Nixon asks the city to give President Kennedy a respectful welcome.

Nov. 21: Chicago Mob boss Sam Giancana meets with Nixon in Dallas to discuss the planned Kennedy assassination, Giancana later tells relatives.

Nov. 22: Nixon leaves Dallas, apparently before Kennedy's arrival.

Nov. 22: President Kennedy is murdered in Dallas.

Nov. 24: Ruby kills Oswald in the basement of the Dallas police jail.

1963: Nixon recommends Congressman Gerald Ford for the Warren Commission.

1964: Nixon lies to the FBI about being in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.

1964: Ford convinces the commission to alter a key finding—making its preposterous "single bullet" assassination theory slightly more believable, documents released in 1997 show. The theory held that one of the bullets struck Kennedy in the back, came out his neck, and then somehow critically wounded Texas Governor John Connally. Ford's change placed the back wound higher in Kennedy's body.

1964: Nixon and Ford write articles in advance of Warren Commission Report endorsing its anticipated conclusion that Oswald alone was responsible for Kennedy's assassination.

Sept. 1964: The Warren Report finds that Oswald—firing from a sniper's nest on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository—was President Kennedy' sole assassin.

Nov. 1968: In a squeaker, Nixon is elected president with big support from the Teamsters union and the Mob.

1971: After a Mob payoff of at least $300,000, Nixon grants clemency to Hoffa—who had been jailed for jury tampering in 1967.

June 1971: Former CIA agent E. Howard Hunt secretly joins the Nixon White House as the president's chief spy.

May 1972: Nixon confides to two top aides that the Warren Report was "the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated," a White House tape released in 2002 reveals.

June 17, 1972: A group of burglars working for Nixon's re-election is caught by Washington, D.C. police while breaking into Democratic headquarters at the Watergate complex. Hunt and former FBI official G. Gordon Liddy are soon identified as the group's supervisors.

June 23, 1972: To gain CIA help in the Watergate cover-up, Nixon tries to blackmail CIA chief Richard Helms over the secrets that Hunt might blab regarding CIA's links to "the Bay of Pigs"—which top Nixon aide Bob Haldeman later reveals to be Nixon/CIA code for the JFK assassination.

Nov. 1972: In a landslide, Nixon is re-elected president with the help of a reported $1 million Teamsters' contribution.

Nixon's Three Stories of Where He Was on November 22, 1963

In the first place, strange things which could scarcely all be coincidence happened even before JFK was killed. On the morning of November 22, 1963, the day Kennedy was killed the New York Times carried an item on a back page, It was datelined Dallas. And it said that ex-Vice-President Richard M. Nixon had made a speech in Dallas before a group of businessmen,

Not only did the Times carry that story on the very day JFK died, but Nixon was in Dallas the day Kennedy died, and it is very possible that he was still in Dallas at the moment Kennedy died. Despite all other reports to the contrary. And of course the thing that makes this so very important is that Nixon and others have for some reason tried to conceal that fact for more than twelve years.
The True Story

Actually, Nixon was in Dallas when JFK was shot. On April 2nd 1975 a young man was listening to a talk at his school when he heard the lecturer tell about the Esquire account of Nixon's trip to Dallas, and how and when Nixon had learned about JFK's death. That young man then told the lecturer, "My father was an executive for the Pepsi Cola Company, and he was in Dallas on November 22nd 1963 at that convention. He has told me that Nixon was there in Dallas at the convention when the announcement was heard that JFK had been killed, Nixon left later that afternoon,"

This young man is the son of Mr. Harvey Russel of the Pepsi Cola Company. When Mr. Russel was informed of his son's account, he agreed that his son's story was true. Mr. Russel confirmed that Nixon was attending that meeting at the time the shots were fired. He added Nixon was there representing the Pepsi Cola Company's law firm Mudge, Rose, Nixon et al. The Dallas newspapers stated that Nixon was attending a board meeting.

Mr. Russel confirmed that the session Nixon was attending broke up when the assassination news came through. Nixon then returned to his hotel and later in the afternoon had been driven to the Dallas airport by a Mr. Deluca, also a Pepsi Cola official.
Kennedy rival Nixon left Dallas as JFK arrived in November 1963
Published: 02 November 2013 11:03 PM


In the post-midnight darkness, as Nov. 21, 1963, slipped into Nov. 22, 1963, a cold front that had carried Pacific moisture across the American Southwest approached Fort Worth and Dallas. Before dawn, the moisture began to fall in a misty drizzle — unremarkable except that it fell on the 35th, the 36th and the 37th presidents of the United States.

In downtown Dallas, behind durable drapery and metal Venetian blinds, former Vice President Richard Nixon slept alone in his suite at the Baker Hotel. Outside in the hallway stood a single Dallas police officer who was stationed at the nearby door of actress Joan Crawford to protect her from jewel thieves and autograph seekers.

The Warren Commission Report: Report of the President's Commission on the ...
 By The Warren Commission, United States Government
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 12, 2013, 10:23:10 am


Autopsy evidence points to conspiracy beyond 'lone assassin'

The “single-bullet theory” that forms the basis of the Warren Commission’s conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of JFK is not supported by the medical evidence, contends Jerome Corsi, author of the newly released “Who Really Killed Kennedy? 50 Years Later: Stunning New Revelations about the JFK Assassination.”

“What seems clear is that prior to the autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland, the evidence strongly suggested there were multiple shooters and that some of the shooters were positioned in front of the motorcade along the grassy knoll,” says Corsi.

Corsi said the forensic evidence in the JFK autopsy “does not support the theory that a ‘magic bullet’ somehow passed from JFK’s back through his neck on the way to wounding John Connally.”

“Lacking medical evidence that a bullet passed through JFK’s body, the linchpin of the Warren Commission’s conclusion fails,” Corsi contends.

Secret details of JFK’s assassination are finally unlocked. Get your autographed copy of “Who Really Killed Kennedy?” by Jerome Corsi now!

“Who Really Killed Kennedy,” released this month as the 50th anniversary of the assassination approaches, is bolstered by recently declassified documents that shed new light on the greatest “who-done-it” mystery of the 20th century. Corsi sorted through tens of thousands of documents, all 26 volumes of the Warren Commission’s report, hundreds of books, several films and countless photographs.

Two views

The ER team at Parkland Hospital in Dallas and the autopsy team at Bethesda Naval Hospital produced medical records that describe two completely different views of JFK’s wounds. Professor Ronald F. White succinctly summarized the problem:

Because the ER team [at Parkland Hospital] focused exclusively on stabilizing vital signs, they did not turn over the President’s body, and therefore did not notice another bullet wound (or wounds) located in the President’s upper back. Hence, we have the makings of one of the most incredible foul-ups in medical history. The Parkland physicians didn’t know of the back wound and the Bethesda autopsy team did not know that the tracheostomy incision concealed a bullet wound. Or, at least, so they have alleged. It is difficult to believe that subsequent controversy over the exact location of the wounds can be attributed solely to an unfortunate communication failure between two groups of physicians.

After realizing Kennedy had been shot, the motorcade rushed from Dealey Plaza directly to Parkland Hospital. Once the presidential limousine arrived, the ER team at Parkland went into immediate action implementing trauma efforts to resuscitate JFK, despite realizing almost immediately that the president’s massive head wounds made their efforts to save his life futile.

Amid the confusion at both Parkland and Bethesda, no one imagined junior counsel Arlen Specter, who later served 30 years in the U.S. Senate, would virtually single-handedly take over configuring the medical evidence into a legal argument.

“Specter concocted his single-bullet theory to deflect consideration of a conspiracy, and in the process pinned the blame on the conveniently deceased Lee Harvey Oswald as the sole gunman responsible for shooting the president,” Corsi says. “Lee Harvey Oswald’s murder brought the criminal investigation to a screeching halt and obviated the need for a criminal prosecution.”

Yet the problem remained, says Corsi, that Specter’s theory depended on establishing medical proof that the pristine bullet, which came to be known as the “magic bullet,” passed from the entrance wound in JFK’s back, through his body, to exit in his throat. The theory was never considered or pursued by the medical teams at Parkland and Bethesda.

Here was the crux of the medical dilemma: The Parkland ER doctors identified JFK’s throat wound as an entry wound and never noticed the wound in his back.

The Parkland medical team enlarged the throat wound with their tracheotomy.

Once the Parkland medical team realized they had no chance of reviving JFK, they didn’t bother searching for an exit wound or the bullet in his body.

The Parkland medical team assumed JFK had been hit twice from the front: once in the throat and once in the right front forehead.

Viewing the throat wound as a large gaping hole, the Bethesda autopsy team assumed it was caused by a tracheotomy, not by a bullet.

The Bethesda autopsy team assumed the wound in JFK’s back to be a superficial entry would but could not identify the path of the bullet or find the bullet itself.

Upon learning from Parkland that a pristine bullet had been found on a stretcher, the Bethesda autopsy team assumed it was the bullet they were unable to find.

The Bethesda autopsy medical team concluded JFK had been hit twice from behind: first, in the back and then by a shot to the back of the head.

The doctors at Parkland assumed JFK had been shot from the front.

There is nothing in the Bethesda autopsy records to indicate that the doctors determined the path through JFK’s body of the bullet that the Warren Commission concluded entered his back.

Lack of proof

Only after Specter proposed the single-bullet theory did it become important to prove that the bullet that wounded JFK’s back and neck was the same bullet that wounded Connally in the back, lungs, wrist and thigh, states Corsi.

The Warren Commission concluded that only three shots could had been fired by the Mannlicher-Carcano bolt-action rifle in the time available for shooting. If there was another bullett there had to have been a second shooter.

Moreover, Lee Harvey Oswald was firing from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, behind JFK when the shooting started. If the throat wound was determined to be an entrance wound, there had to be a second shooter positioned in front of the motorcade.

Specter’s entire argument rested on the hypothesis that the bullet that entered JFK’s back exited through his throat and went on to cause all Connally’s wounds. However, neither the medical evidence ascertained in the ER at Parkland nor in the autopsy at Bethesda supported that theory, Corsi points out.

Lacking the medical evidence, Corsi says, Specter resorted to elaborate diagrams of various assassination reconstructions to argue that a trajectory could be established making it possible for a single bullet to injure both men.

If the theory didn’t hold, the commission would be unable to establish that Oswald was the lone assassin. If there were more than one shooter, then there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, which would instigate a public outcry for an investigation.

The Warren Commission sought to avoid that, says Corsi, because no one knew how high up and widespread a conspiracy might go. As long as Oswald remained the only viable suspect, the case could be closed as a horrible accident of history.

Front-entry wounds

According to the doctors at Parkland hospital, JFK suffered an entrance wound in his neck. At a press conference at the hospital the day of the assassination, a newsman asked Dr. Malcolm Perry, the physician who had performed the tracheotomy on JFK, whether or not the wound to the president’ throat was an entrance wound.

Perry explained: “The wound appeared to be an entrance wound in the front of the throat; yes, that is correct. The exit wound, I don’t know. It could have been the head or there could have been a second wound of the head. There was not time to determine this at the particular instant.”

Tom Wicker, reporting for The New York Times in an article published two days after the assassination, wrote: “Mr. Kennedy was hit by a bullet in the throat, just below the Adam’s apple, [Dr. Malcolm Perry, an attending surgeon at Parkland, and Dr. Kemp Clark, chief of neurosurgery at Parkland] said. This wound had the appearance of the bullet’s entry.”

Wicker also reported JFK had “a massive, gaping wound” in the back and on the right side of his head and that Parkland physicians said immediately after the shooting that it was impossible to tell if JFK’s wounds were caused by one or two bullets.

“According to the doctors at Parkland Hospital, the President suffered an entrance wound at the Adam’s apple and a massive wound at the head,” wrote assassination researcher Sylvia Meagher, whose 1967 book “Accessories After the Fact: The Warren Commission, the Authorities, and the Report” is considered the definitive guide to the Warren Commission testimony.

In his testimony to the Warren Commission on March 30, 1964, Dr. Charles James Carrico explained why the back wound went unnoticed at Parkland Hospital. Warren Commission counsel Arlen Specter asked Carrico about whether he had noticed a small wound on the right side of JFK’s head:

Dr. Carrico: No, sir; at least initially there was no time to examine the president completely for all small wounds. As we said before, this was an acutely ill patient and all we had time to do was to determine what things were life-threatening right then and attempt to resuscitate him and after which a more complete examination would be carried out, and we didn’t have time to examine for other wounds.

Mr. Specter: Was such a more complete examination ever carried out by the doctors in Parkland?

Dr. Carrico: No, sir; not in my presence.

Mr. Specter: Why not?

Dr. Carrico: As we said initially, this was an acute emergency situation and there was not time initially and when the cardiac massage was done this prevented any further examination during this time this was being done. After the president was pronounced dead, his wife was there, he was the president, and we felt certainly that complete examination would be carried out and no one had the heart, I believe, to examine him there.

During the Bethesda autopsy, Dr. Humes examined the back wound and found it to be a shallow entry wound that had penetrated less than an inch into JFK’s back.

Navy Commander J. Thornton Boswell, attending the autopsy, found the depth of JFK’s back wound could be probed up to only the first or second knuckle of the little finger, a depth of about two inches.

No path through JFK’s body could be established for the missile, and X-rays failed to detect any bullets yet remaining in JFK’s body. A report by FBI agents James W. Silbert and Francis X. O’Neill Jr., who were present during the autopsy, gives the following description of the examination of JFK’s back wound:

During the latter stages of this autopsy, Dr. Humes located an opening which appeared to be a bullet hole which was below the shoulders and two inches to the right of the middle line of the spinal column.

This opening was probed by Dr. Humes with the finger, at which time it was determined that the trajectory of the missile entering at this point had entered at a downward position of 45 to 60 degrees. Further probing determined that the distance traveled by this missile was a short distance inasmuch as the end of the opening could be felt with the finger.

Inasmuch as no complete bullet of any size could be located in the brain area and likewise no bullet could be located in the back or any other area of the body as determined by total body X-rays and physical inspection revealing there was no point of exit, the individuals performing the autopsy were at a loss to explain why they could find no bullets.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 12, 2013, 10:54:23 am

JFK was killed 'by a mystery bullet': Nurse who tried to save President claims she saw a DIFFERENT bullet in his neck to those later shown as evidence
Phyllis Hall was 28 when President John F Kennedy was shot in 1963
She described being dragged into the operating room in a bid to revive him
Mrs Hall, now 78, claims she saw a bullet which, apparently, was bizarrely unmarked despite being lodged in his body
She also says it looked nothing like ones later produced in investigations

By Kieran Corcoran
PUBLISHED: 20:47 EST, 9 November 2013 | UPDATED: 14:18 EST, 10 November 2013

A nurse who was part of desperate attempts to save the life of President John F Kennedy after he was assassinated has claimed he was shot by a 'mystery bullet'.
Phyllis Hall, who was 28 at the time
, says she was dragged into the operating room by a secret service agent as medics scrambled to help the president, who was fatally shot in Dallas, Texas on 22 November 1963.

While cradling his head, which had been torn apart by gunshots fired from the famous 'grassy knoll', Mrs Hall says she spotted an unusual bullet, which was promptly removed and never seen again.

She described the bullet in an interview with the Sunday Mirror, which she said looked completely undamaged, and bore no resemblance whatsoever to bullets later shown as evidence in investigations into the President's murder.

She said: 'I could see a bullet lodged between his ear and his shoulder. It was pointed at its tip and showed no signs of damage. There was no blunting of the bullet or scarring around the shell from where it had been fired

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: iamc2 on November 12, 2013, 10:57:27 am
 The Assassination of John F. Kennedy will always be a Mystery...

... All we know is that he was assassinated in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. [I remember the day; as I was 6, and in school: all the adults broke down and wept. and so did I.]

 There was no 'Magic Bullet: Oswald in the Dorm.: Grassy Knoll  The Mob: The CIA; VP Johnson---on and on---But! WHO DID IT?' [all are a part of it / with more / and, What part do they all play?]


 The New World Order! with their 1000 points of Dark Bloody Night of Mysteries...However ; this time they SHOT JFK in Broad Day Light!

                                                               'Bold! are they NOT?'

                                                    50 years and this MURDER of JFK is still---A Mystery...
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: larsonstdoc on November 12, 2013, 04:48:59 pm


  JFK talks about the dangers of the NWO.

JFK - Kennedy - new world order - illuminati - speech

This is what killed him, he was unique, he was against secret societies, he wanted world to progress. Imagine world without pollution, without need for oil. Yes, it could be reality, but secret societies hold the keys of our future. Kennedy was publicly executed as warning to all. We do nothing about it. Wake up people.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 14, 2013, 03:33:47 pm

  JFK talks about the dangers of the NWO.

JFK - Kennedy - new world order - illuminati - speech

This is what killed him, he was unique, he was against secret societies, he wanted world to progress. Imagine world without pollution, without need for oil. Yes, it could be reality, but secret societies hold the keys of our future. Kennedy was publicly executed as warning to all. We do nothing about it. Wake up people.
  Hey Larson..  BUMPED.....that says it all.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 14, 2013, 04:59:46 pm


The 1945 Christmas greetings card from Mr.Mrs.Hugh Dudley Auchincloss (Mrs Auchincloss is Jacqueline Bouvier's mother. She was born Janet Lee ,and at the age of 19 married John V BOUVIER IIIrd. She married Hugh Auchincloss in 1942. Jackie is at the top with Hugh D Auchincloss Jr (known as Yusha) her step-brother. middle row. Nina Auchincloss (step sister) now Mrs Newton I. Steers), Thomas Auchincloss, Nina's brother (Jackie's half brother), Caroline Lee Bouvier, Jackie's sister . bottom row. Mrs Auchincloss holding baby Janet Jennings Auchinclosss, Mrs D.auchincloss, and Jackie's step father Uncle Hugh.

With the creation of the Central Bank the Round Table Group focused their attention on creating a Central Intelligence Agency and the League of Nations. Prior to America's entry into the war, the State department, not the justice department, had assumed the role of dealing with German Subversion and sabotage. The "rationalization" was counterespionage was more a problem of foreign relations than of domestic law enforcement.

Frank L. Polk, a "northeastern establishment" lawyer the State Departments chief legal officer became the focal point of United States government counterespionage activities. Polk coordinated the counterespionage work of groups such as the Secret Service, the Bureau of Investigation, and British Naval Intelligence.

In September of 1917 Felix Frankfurter suggested the idea for a new agency to President Wilson. The new executive agency would be a planning organization to prepare American policy for President Wilson. Frankfurter explained that the new agency would work closely with the State department to help formulate the policy. The State Department would forward copies of consular reports and other information requested by the agency. The agency would also obtain information from private sector sources.

These sources would include the National Geographic Society, the Carnegie Institution, and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The General Rubber Company, the Standard Oil Company of New York, and the American Tobacco Company.

Wilson liked Frankfurter's idea and established the agency. Its charter members were Colonel Edward Mandell House, Walter Lippmann, James T. Shotwell, and Isaiah Bowman. The typical staff member was recruited from an Ivy League University. Academic disciplines included geography, economics, modern languages, and especially history. There were several lawyers on Staff. One David Hunter Miller, was in charge of the agency's financial accounts. Hunter had joined the State Department in 1917.

He had been a law partner of Gordon Auchincloss. Auchincloss worked in the State department and was Colonel House's son-in-law.

The agency was America's first Central Intelligence Agency.

The agency was given the cryptic name the Inquiry. The Inquiry headquarters were established in the offices of the American Geographical Society whose director was Isaiah Bowman. 30

The Inquiry was a study group established in September 1917 by Woodrow Wilson to prepare materials for the peace negotiations following World War I. The group, composed of around 150 academics, was directed by presidential adviser Edward House and supervised directly by philosopher Sidney Mezes. The Heads of Research were Walter Lippmann, who was later replaced by Isaiah Bowman. The group first worked out of the New York Public Library, but later worked from the offices of the American Geographical Society of New York, once Bowman joined the group

Hugh Dudley Auchincloss, Jr. (August 15, 1897 – November 20, 1976) was an American stockbroker and lawyer who became the second husband of Janet Lee Bouvier, the mother of First Lady Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy (wife of President John F. Kennedy) and Caroline Lee Bouvier

Eugene Luther Gore Vidal (/ˌɡɔr vɨˈdɑːl/;[1][2] born Eugene Louis Vidal, October 3, 1925 – July 31, 2012) was an American writer known for his essays, novels, screenplays, and Broadway plays. As a well-known public intellectual, he was known for his patrician manner and witty aphorisms. Vidal's grandfather was the U.S. Senator Thomas Gore of Oklahoma.

Besides his politician grandfather, Vidal had other connections with the Democratic Party: his mother, Nina, married Hugh D. Auchincloss, Jr., who later was stepfather of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy. Gore Vidal is a fifth cousin of Jimmy Carter.[citation needed] Vidal also may have been a distant cousin of Al Gore...
John F Kennedy according to Gore Vidal

Gore Vidal and JFK conspiracy


The late lamented Gore Vidal was a firm believer in JFK conspiracies, not least because he seemed to provide quotes from family members that indicate that they believed in a conspiracy.

In what have been one of his last books, Point to Point Navigation, he seems to rate a book "Ultimate Sacrifice" highly.

Joe [Kennedy]'s Mob connections were useful to Jack in the 1960 election and could esaily have saved JFK's life in 1963 had Bobby Kennedy in the interest of building himself up in the public's eyes, not stated arresting important mobsters particularly i the so-called Apalachin Mob Conveference bust where they had all come together to confer about the succession to the leadership of the New York Mob. I've long sinc forgotten how I first heard of the plot to kill JFK, while I had no idea at all of the Kennedy's brothers' plot to kill Castro on December 1, 1963, until I read a recent book by Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann called Ulitmate Sacrifice. It was assumed that the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 had sufficiently alarmed JFK and Castro's mentor, Kruschchev, so that they jointly backed down, putting an end, so everyone thought, to such dangerous adventures...... "John and Robert Kennedy started laying the groudwork for a coup against Fidel Castro that would eventually be set for what they called C-Day: December, 1 1963." Bobby, like Nixon before him, was in charge of what would be the most secretive operation of its sort in our history. Since the CIA had, in the eyes of the Kennedys, botched the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion, the Department of Defense was to be in charge of this adventure which would first engage Mob hit men to assassinate Castro and then replace him with a provisional government that would implore the United States to come to its aid and restore order

A favorable review of the book is here:
Isaiah Bowman, AB, Ph. D. (26 December 1878, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada – 6 January 1950, Baltimore, United States) was an American geographer

In 1916 he became associate editor of the Geographical Review. He was associate editor of the Journal of Geography in 1918−19 and editor in 1919−20. In 1921 he became a director of the newly formed Council of Foreign Relations. Bowman served as President of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland from 1935 to 1948.

Before and during World War II he served on the Council of Foreign Relations' War and Peace Studies project as chairman of its territorial group.[1]

From 1945 to 1949 he was a CFR vice-president

War and Peace Studies was a project carried out by the Council on Foreign Relations between 1939 and 1945 before and during American involvement in World War II. It was intended to advise the U.S. Government on conduct in the war and the subsequent peace.

The project was divided into four major areas: economic and financial, security and armaments, territorial, and political. Over 100 men took part. Funding was provided by the Rockefeller Foundation, which provided almost $350,000 over the course of the project. A steering committee was created in December 1939 chaired by U.S diplomat Norman Davis with Foreign Affairs editor Hamilton Fish Armstrong as vice-chairman. Initial area heads were:[1]
Alvin Hansen and Jacob Viner led the economic and financial group
Whitney Shepardson, who led the political group
Allen Welsh Dulles and Hanson W. Baldwin, who led the armaments group, and
Isaiah Bowman, who led the territorial group.

A research secretary was appointed to each group:
William Diebold, for the economic and financial group
Walter R. Sharp, for the political group, and
Grayson L. Kirk, for the armaments group
William P. Maddox, for the territorial group
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: hal 9000 on November 16, 2013, 02:36:58 pm
As usual, the shills are out in full force on the internet forums and comment sections.

Here is a sampling of pro lone gunman comments from a recent article in The Guardian entitled -

"Who killed JFK? Fifty years on, slew of new books add fuel to conspiracy fire"

Judging by the number of shill comments, you would think that over 80 % of the public agrees with the lone gunman story, and not the other way around. I wouldn't be surprised if every single one of these comments were written by paid trolls. That many people cannot be that uninformed on this subject. I simply don't buy it.

"I am pretty sure Oswald did it, but I'm not sure why."

"Yeah, Oswald did it.
Still JFK is a good film."

"Oswald. Most likely."

"No, Oswald did it and the proof of this is in the design of the car which debunked the magic bullet theory completely.
Oswald was a crack shot and capable of getting off those shots very quickly.
He might have been hired from someone, and of course that can be never known."

"It's pretty simple really, all the physical evidence points towards Oswald doing it by himself, there's never been a shred of reliable proof from all the conspiracy theories."

"The problem with the conspiracy theories is that they all go off in different directions: it was the Mafia, it was the Cubans, it was the KGB, it was Texas barons and so on. And if it was a conspiracy, what did killing Kennedy and replacing him with his VP actually achieve? Most of the policies pursued by LBJ after 63 were the same ones Kennedy would have pursued had he lived. I believe in the lone nutter theory."

"Most people want to believe in conspiracies. I remember watching an ITV programme in the 1980s which blamed some French gangsters. They were never arrested so I assume they turned out to be innocent. Since then, I have never been able to take these elaborate theories seriously."

"The other problem being that conspiracy theories are rarely actual theories; they tend to be a mish-mash of questions, speculation and accusation. If a single conspiracy theory ever held up to serious scrutiny, it would become fact."

"Occam's Razor. However enticing any of the alternatives, Oswald, acting alone is still the simplest solution, makes the most sense and best fits the known facts."

"Lone Gunman is just too easy for people... Like the Meridith Kercher killing people it seems will believe any bollox no matter how unlikely or ridiculous other than a simple truth that one man killed someone.
Occam's Razor says Lee Harvey Oswald in the Book Depository with a rifle."

"Oswald did it. It was not even that hard of a shot."

"Oswald did it.

Although he didn't deserve to get shot Kennedy was not the shining knight.that he has been made out to be posthumously. The idea that he represented some sort of threat to the establishment is just silly and there is no historical record to back up any such assertion."

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 16, 2013, 02:45:17 pm
Jesse Ventura -They Killed Our President Lecture

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 16, 2013, 06:04:13 pm
 JV wrote this book to call a wake up/    AMERICANS..This murder among others was a declaration of power, if they can  kill a President and cover it up, they can wack out anyone in their way. Their crowning glory was JFKs murder.
                           I admire JV  , this mans courage and honesty. He remains pizzed of about the 3 K's and rightly so.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Seeing on November 16, 2013, 08:38:24 pm
Reading the personal stories of where you were when you heard about the assassination brought tears to my eyes. I was in 3rd grade and like everyone else after the announcement we all were in shock. My family hadn't had a TV for very long at this point, and we were glued to it for days. Oswald being moved and stating he was a patsy, Walter Cronkite the face of news in america, Ruby shooting Oswald. Then the sad days and funeral. The coffin moving down the streets of DC, the backwards boots in the stirrups and John Johns salute.

At ten I like most of america had no reason not to believe what I was told in the days and months that followed. It wasn't very many years that changed at least for me. Before I was 20 I had read enough and heard enough to know I had been lied to. Through the years I have always had a special interest in the assassinations of the sixties, particularly JFK.

As I read though this thread I wasn't surprised by any of the great info that has been posted. I've read and watched most of it before. I just hope that those that haven't been exposed to this kind of information will find it somewhere and give a damn. Especially younger folks. They need the awareness of what government is capable of. The bad behavior of the feds didn't stop in the 60's. It has continued and grown over the years. Though I don't think it was manifest quite so blatantly again till 9/11.

Here's a story from the cellmate of Oswald I ran across a while back. I don't think it has been posted in this thread yet. Just another little piece of a great big puzzle. (

This coming 50th anniversary has really hit me hard. As a young idealistic man I thought by this time many of the shitty things that troubled me would have been sorted out. I have to describe myself as disappointed. 
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 17, 2013, 12:54:20 pm
JFK Murder: Fifty Years Later and the Cover Up Continues
November 16, 2013

There have only been two prominent politicians who have stood up to the tyranny of the New World Order since the death of JFK. These two men would be Reagan (until he was shot by Hinckley) and Ron Paul.
The 2013 Establishment Propaganda Machine Is Rolled Out

With the marking of the 50th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, there have been over 2,000 books written on the subject and countless radio and television shows devoted to the topic.

This fall, the globalist news corporations have produced a rash of new JFK “investigations” which all purport to show different ways to prove that Oswald, and Oswald alone, killed John Kennedy. The new productions (e.g. National Geographic) are so bad and so faulty, that they are laughable.
The modern day propagandists are winning the day with regard to the control of the narrative surrounding the assassination.
What the modern day public, as well as the establishment propagandists, seem to have forgotten is that in 1977, the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that Oswald had help and JFK was killed as a result of a conspiracy. This was the final word on the subject from our government on the assassination.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 17, 2013, 01:29:54 pm
MLK was murdered because he was going to put his full support for RFK ....
RFK was murdered because he was going to reopen the assassination investigation of JFK (once he was elected president)
Tom Lehrer- Whatever Became of Hubert
November 23, 1963 -- Minnesota Senator Hubert H. Humphrey is interviewed on the morning following the murder of the nation's President, John F. Kennedy.

Other post-assassination news is also included in this footage from the NBC Radio Network.

This 1963 audio comes from the resources of Cincinnati, Ohio, radio station WLW-AM.
Vice Presidency (1965–1969)

Humphrey took office on January 20, 1965 after he was sworn in at 11:58 A.M. by Speaker of the House John McCormack;[79] ending the 14 month vacancy of the Office of the Vice President of the United States, vacated when then-Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson assumed the Presidency after the assassination of John F. Kennedy.[80] He was an early skeptic of the-then growing conflict in Vietnam. Following a successful Viet Cong hit-and-run attack on the US military installations at Pleiku on February 7, 1965 (where 7 Americans were killed and 109 wounded), Humphrey returned from Georgia to Washington D.C., to attempt to prevent further escalation.[81] He told President Johnson that bombing North Vietnam was not a solution to the problems in South Vietnam, but that bombing would require the injection of US ground forces into South Vietnam to protect the airbases.[81] Presciently, he noted that a military solution in Vietnam would take years, well beyond the next election cycle. In response to his advice, President Johnson punished Humphrey with coldness and a restriction from his inner circle for a number of months, until Humphrey decided to "get back on the team" and fully support the war effort.


As Vice President, Humphrey was controversial for his complete and vocal loyalty to Johnson and the policies of the Johnson Administration, even as many of Humphrey's liberal admirers opposed Johnson with increasing fervor with respect to Johnson's policies regarding the war in Vietnam
While he was Vice President, Hubert Humphrey was the subject of a satirical song by songwriter/musician Tom Lehrer entitled "Whatever Became of Hubert?" The song addressed how some liberals and progressives felt let down by Humphrey, who had become a much more mute figure as Vice President than he had been as a senator. The song goes "Whatever became of Hubert? Has anyone heard a thing? Once he shone on his own, now he sits home alone and waits for the phone to ring. Once a fiery liberal spirit, ah, but now when he speaks he must clear it. ..."

After Johnson made the surprise announcement that he would not seek reelection in March 1968, Humphrey launched his campaign for the presidency the following month. Humphrey's main Democratic challengers were anti-Vietnam War Senators Eugene McCarthy and Robert F. Kennedy.

Humphrey, who was loyal to the Johnson administration's policies on the Vietnam War as Vice President, saw opposition from many within his own party and avoided the primaries to focus on receiving the delegates of non-primary states at the Democratic Convention. Humphrey's delegate strategy succeeded in clinching the nomination, choosing Senator Edmund Muskie as his running mate. With the assassination of civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Senator Kennedy that year, and heightened opposition to the Vietnam War, the convention saw major protests which later proved costly to Humphrey's campaign. On November 5, 1968, Humphrey lost to former Vice President Richard Nixon in the general election.


On June 4, 1968, Kennedy defeated McCarthy by less than 4% in the California primary.[100] But the nation was shocked yet again when Senator Kennedy was assassinated after his victory speech at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California.[101] After the assassination of Kennedy, Humphrey suspended his campaign for two weeks
Robert Kennedy announces death of Martin Luther King, Jr.
April 4 1968
RFK part 4 Ambassador Hotel June 5th, 1968
RFK to Johnson: "Why did you kill you have my brother killed

RFK to Johnson: "Why did you kill you have my brother killed?" More video, FBI documentation, and LBJ's tapped phone conversations at or
Bobbie Kennedy, June 5, 1968

Robert F. Kennedy @ the Ambassador Hotel. This evening he won the California Democratic Primary. Minutes later he was assassinated
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Jacob Law on November 17, 2013, 01:36:09 pm
Geraldo Rivera -> Wot an idiot

And think Alex had him on the program; what a betrayer! You know Geraldo knows better!
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 17, 2013, 01:43:44 pm
And think Alex had him on the program; what a betrayer! You know Geraldo knows better!

Yes go back to the old videos - he made a career off the jfk murder and the push to have the assassination committee, now all these years later he's on the boob tube saying just the opposite and talking lone gunman which is totally discredited. I guess he still wants a paycheck from tptb...
History is proving LBJ killed Kennedy
E. Howard Hunt Outs Lyndon Johnson in JFK Assassination Plot - PART 2
JFK Assassination Interview with Lee Harvey Oswald's Mother Marguerite
Geraldo Rivera pimps O’Reilly’s “Killing Kennedy” book with disinfo

Geraldo Rivera (aka Jerry Rivers) had Bill O’Reilly (aka The Bloviator) on his show last (Saturday) night.

I’m thinking Fox is plugging OR’s book hard  because Jerome Corsi’s book “Who Really Killed Kennedy?” is overtaking O’Reilly’s - The Poppinjay’s - book.  I interviewed Dr. Corsi last week about his findings.  They squared with what I’ve learned after several years of my own research developed out of my intense curiosity about the assassination.
Eisenhower Speaks About Murder of JFK (1963)
Filmed: November 22, 1963

As each November passes, many Americans still recall the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Forty-six Novembers have passed and so many documentaries, theories, and re-running of film clips have been shown. While reviewing the many films I have about that day, I came across one that's seldom seen.
Former President Dwight Eisenhower is interviewed as he leaves a meeting at the United Nations in New York City on November 22, 1963. With his unique perspective on national and international events & history, he gives a commentary to the reporters about the present and the future of this nation.
NIXON jokes about LBJ killing JFK
Bush Sr. Laughs at JFK Shooting
LBJ Behind JFK Killing
Date: 11-16-13
Host: John B. Wells
Guests: Roger Stone  

Combining decades of insider political knowledge with cutting edge JFK assassination research, political operative, Roger Stone, joined John B. Wells to lay out the case that Lyndon Johnson manipulated the situation in Dallas on November 22, 1963, to have JFK killed.

Chapter 12
The Second Line of Defense and Cover-Ups in 1975 and 1976
       The mini-war waged by assassination researchers and a few Congressmen from 1964 to 1976 to reopen the major assassination inquiries never really disturbed the Power Control Group. But in 1975, simultaneous with the revelations about all of the terrible things the CIA and the FBI did, the researchers and a few of their friends in the media and in Congress began to draw more attention than was comfortable for the PCG.

       A special renewed effort became necessary to extend the cover-ups. Part of this effort was a program to bring the media back under control and to reinforce media support of the cover-ups. This has been discussed in some detail in Chapter 9.

Another part of this effort was the expansion of the Rockefeller Commission's assignment to reinforce the cover-up of the JFK assassination conspiracy.

Separate new efforts were necessary to control the courts and lawyers and other public officials in the King and Robert Kennedy assassination conspiracies. These were brought about by appeals for new trials by James Earl Ray and Sirhan B. Sirhan. The appeals were accompanied by new revelations. New publicity was given to demands for an investigation into the Wallace shooting by prominent people, including Wallace himself.

       A minor success in the JFK case was scored by researchers with the assistance of Dick Gregory, Geraldo Rivera of ABC, Tom Snyder of NBC, Mort Sahl and others. They managed to have the Zapruder film and other photographic evidence of conspiracy shown on local and national television.

 No one of any intelligence outside the PCG who has even seen the Zapruder film questions the fact that shots came from two different directions in Dealey Plaza. This breakthrough after eleven years of effort put new public and Congressional pressures on the PCG.

It was closely followed by a grass roots campaign conducted by Mark Lane's Citizens Commission of Inquiry to reopen the JFK case.

Pressure was brought to bear on Congressmen by their local constituents as a result of this campaign. Henry Gonzalez from Texas and Thomas Downing from Virginia introduced resolutions in the House of Representatives calling for the reopening of all four cases and the JFK case, so the public and Congress had a formal base to work with and a goal to reach.

       New revelations were made in 1975 about the FBI's and the CIA's information withheld from the Warren Commission. From Dallas came the admission that Oswald had been in closer contact with the FBI than believed and that Jack Ruby had been an FBI informer.
Richard E. Sprague
In 1966, Mr. Sprague commenced an intensive program of research into the photographic evidence associated with the assassination of John Kennedy. He served a year as photographic expert advisor in the investigations conducted by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison and had amassed and analyzed a majority of the known evidence on film by 1968 when he co-founded the Committee to Investigate Assassinations. He served with CTIA as an active researcher, board member and Secretary from 1968 to 1974.
An interview with Dr Jerome Corsi - Who Really Killed Kennedy

Published on Sep 28, 2013  

To be published on September 17 by WND Books, Who Really Killed Kennedy? is No. 1 New York Times bestselling author Dr. Jerome Corsi's most intense investigation yet-bolstered by recently declassified documents that shed new light on what really happened, both leading up to and on the fateful day of November 22, 1963.

Meticulously researched and fully documented, Who Really Killed Kennedy? is the definitive source for those who, after five decades, wish to truly understand how and why Kennedy was assassinated-including information that has largely been hidden from the American people since the 1960s. In this ultimate guide to the JFK assassination, readers will learn about:

* the ballistic evidence that proves there was more than one shooter
* the rarely studied final few frames of the Zapruder film that prove the wound in the back of JFK's head was an exit wound
* the eyewitnesses who saw Oswald in the second floor lunchroom when Dallas police rushed in the building
* the two previous attempts to assassinate JFK in November 1963
* how Lee Harvey Oswald had extensive ties to the CIA and the KGB, and about his sordid relationship with his murderer, Jack Ruby
* how JFK was aware specific plans were being made to assassinate him
* how JFK double-crossed Richard Nixon and the CIA to win the election of 1960
* the tape-recorded confessions Mafia godfathers made detailing their involvement in financing and planning the JFK assassination
* how JFK lost control of the CIA when he decided to pull the US military out of Vietnam, where top CIA operatives were engaged in drug trafficking.
* how JFK and Life magazine threatened to derail LBJ's political career

You can buy the book at
Jim Marrs says Lyndon B Johnson and J Edgar Hoover killed Kennedy
1of2 Jim Marrs says Lyndon B Johnson and J Edgar Hoover killed Kennedy
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jerryweaver on November 17, 2013, 04:02:28 pm

Bruce Willis Says JFK Killers Still In Power
Actor tells Vanity Fair he's skeptical of lone shooter theory

Prison Planet | May 7, 2007 
Paul Joseph Watson

In a new magazine interview, Bruce Willis spills the beans on his skepticism that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of JFK, and suggests that the some of the same criminals who killed Kennedy are still in power today.

"They still haven't caught the guy that killed [President] Kennedy," Willis told Vanity Fair's June issue, according to the New York Post .

"I'll get killed for saying this, but I'm pretty sure those guys are still in power, in some form. The entire government of the United States was co-opted," adds the Die Hard star.

So from where did Willis, a former die-hard champion of Neo-Con policy, receive his sudden wake-up call?

As we reported last year , Hollywood director Richard Linklater said he had handed out 9/11 truth DVDs on the set of Fast Food Nation , including Alex Jones' Terror Storm and Martial Law documentaries, and that they completely changed Willis' political paradigm.

"He said it put him in such a head space that he will be quiet on issues of national policy," Linklater told the Alex Jones Show.

Is Willis' comment that the people who killed Kennedy are still in power a reference to the fact that George H.W. Bush was photographed at the scene in Dealy Plaza?

Either way, it's refreshing to see that Willis, who was vehemently pro-war and pro-Bush in the months after 9/11, has seen the light and realized that patriotism is about love of one's country, not worship of government.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: iamc2 on November 18, 2013, 03:32:02 am
And think Alex had him on the program; what a betrayer! You know Geraldo knows better!
GR is a little PUNK and Alex knows this: as the Mrs. and I were at FOX NEWS in 2007 when the little PUNK GR, was calling us F*ckers and other choice words from his filthy mouth and he was throwing us the finger; and then he helped in getting Alex Arrested!

GR is a little PUNK and a Traitor to everyone but his self centeredness---he is a Narcissist. PERIOD!
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jerryweaver on November 18, 2013, 04:50:40 am
CIA-Zionist-Controlled Media in JFK Coverup

Vatic Note: This is indictable information contained below, about the complicity of our press in the assassination of an American Sitting President. Those involved are clearly identified through this mans work and commitment to finding the truth about the JFK assassination, that forever changed our nation.

The fact that Israel and Mossad were involved was told to us by a very honest Israeli, named Vanunu who spent 18 years in an Israeli prison for exposing Israels ownership of Nuke weapons when it was clear that they were lying about stealing the technology from the USA, but also about the control of such weapons by them when no one else had them in the middle east and now they want to bomb Iran for a whole lot less.

These are seriously dangerous and totally insane people and if the world does not wake up to that fact, then the world is doomed. Just look at how many of our trusted elected officials and appointed officials the Israeli's tried to bribe, and failed and then assassinated them. No wonder our current crop of useless feeders in congress are afraid to do their job.

I never thought I would say this, but now we can understand Hitler , surprisingly, look what it took for us to wake up. How Dare they murder our President!!! So this press and those complicit at that time, will face justice sooner rather than later. Read this below and see if you do not agree with it. I can hardly wait for the next Nurumberg trials. The Press will be standing in the docket with the rest of global criminal Zionist mafia.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 18, 2013, 12:12:25 pm
1975: Murder of Sam Giancana


Giancana had been extradited from Mexico to the US. He had been running gambling operations there on his own, without sending money back home to the Chicago bosses. Before that he had been ordered to leave the US by Outfit boss Antonino Accardo. Chicago had enough of Giancana. On July 19, 1975 Giancana let a friend into his house, and made him and his guest some dinner. His friend shot him in the head and fled the scene.

Salvatore Giancana (born Salvatore Giangana; June 15, 1908 – June 19, 1975),[1] better known as Sam Giancana, was an American mobster and boss of the Chicago Outfit from 1957–1966. Among his other nicknames were, "Momo", "Mooney," "Sam the Cigar," and "Sammy."
Alleged CIA connections

It is widely reputed, and partially corroborated by the Church Committee Hearings, that during the Kennedy administration, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) recruited Giancana and other mobsters to assassinate Cuban president Fidel Castro. Giancana reportedly said that the CIA and the Cosa Nostra were "different sides of the same coin."[8]

The association between Giancana and JFK is indicated in the "Exner File" written by Judith Campbell Exner. Exner was reputed to be mistress to both Giancana and JFK and claimed she delivered communications between the two regarding Fidel Castro.[9]

CIA documents released in 2007 confirmed that in the summer of 1960, the CIA recruited ex-FBI agent Robert Maheu to approach the West Coast representative of the Chicago mob, Johnny Roselli. When Maheu contacted Roselli, Maheu hid the fact that he was sent by the CIA, instead portraying himself an advocate for international corporations. He offered to pay $150,000 to have Castro killed, but Roselli declined any pay. Roselli introduced Maheu to two men he referred to as "Sam Gold" and "Joe." "Sam Gold" was Sam Giancana; "Joe" was Santo Trafficante, Jr., the Tampa, Florida boss and one of the most powerful mobsters in pre-revolution Cuba.[12][13] Glenn Kessler of The Washington Post explained: "After Fidel Castro led a revolution that toppled a friendly government in 1959, the CIA was desperate to eliminate him. So the agency sought out a partner equally worried about Castro—the Mafia, which had lucrative investments in Cuban casinos."[14]

Jimmy Hoffa, president of the Teamsters Union, and mobsters Carlos Marcello, Sam Giancana, Johnny Roselli, Charles Nicoletti, and Santo Trafficante Jr.—all of whom say Hoffa worked with the CIA on the Castro assassination plots—top the list of House Select Committee on Assassinations Mafia suspects
After about seven years of exile inside a lavish villa in Cuernavaca, Mexico, Giancana was arrested by Mexican authorities in 1974 and deported to the United States.[24][25] He arrived back in Chicago on July 21, 1974.[26]

Giancana had another sitdown with the Outfit with no resolution. The Outfit requested him to give a share of his money and he refused.[23]

After his return to the U.S., Giancana joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation as a witness in the prosecution of organized crime in Chicago. The police detailed officers to guard his house in Oak Park, Illinois. However, on the night of June 19, 1975, someone recalled the police detail.[27]

A gunman later entered Giancana's kitchen and shot him in the back of the head as he was frying sausage and peppers.[28] After Giancana fell to the ground, the gunman turned him over and shot him six more times in the face and neck. Investigators suspected that the murderer was a close friend whom Giancana had let into the house. One reason for this suspicion was that Giancana, due to his heart problems, could not eat spicy foods. Therefore, he might have been cooking for a friend.

Giancana was killed shortly before he was scheduled to appear before a U. S. Senate committee investigating supposed CIA and Cosa Nostra collusion in plots to assassinate President John F. Kennedy

Robert Aime Maheu (October 30, 1917 – August 4, 2008) was an American businessman and lawyer, who worked for the FBI, CIA and as the chief executive of Nevada operations[1] for the industrialist Howard Hughes.
Maheu was born in Waterville, Maine, and held degrees from Holy Cross and Georgetown University. In 1941, during his law studies at Georgetown, he was hired by the FBI and worked as a counter-intelligence officer in Europe during World War II.[2] He left the FBI in 1947, becoming a self-employed business owner, consultant and investigator. His contract with the Hughes company started in 1955, after Howard Hughes hired him to investigate an alleged suitor of his fiance Jean Peters.[3]

Maheu was a confidant to President John F. Kennedy and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy.[4] Although Maheu was for years a close confident of Howard Hughes, he never met Hughes face-to-face, as they worked via memo and telephone.


Maheu served as Hughes's bagman and among those who received money was Bebe Rebozo, a close associate of Richard Nixon. Hughes via Maheu also provided $205,000 to the politician's brother, Donald Nixon in January 1957.

In 1960 Richard Bissell and Allen W. Dulles decided to work with the Mafia in a plot to assassinate Fidel Castro. Maheu was employed by the CIA to organize the conspiracy. The advantage of employing the Mafia for this work is that it provided CIA with a credible cover story. The Mafia were known to be angry with Castro for closing down their profitable brothels and casinos in Cuba. If the assassins were killed or captured the media would accept that the Mafia were working on their own.
Robert Aime Maheu was born Oct. 30, 1917, into a French-speaking family in Waterville, Maine. After he graduated from the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass., he analyzed aerial photographs for the Department of Agriculture before joining the FBI.

During World War II, the FBI assigned him to monitor a French spy who became a double agent and helped deceive the Nazi high command with false radio transmissions. By the mid-1950s, Mr. Maheu said he did undercover work for the CIA -- "those jobs in which the agency could not officially be involved," he wrote in his autobiography.

Recently declassified CIA files confirm that Mr. Maheu was present at a 1960 meeting in Miami Beach, Fla., between organized crime bosses Sam Giancana and Santo Trafficante Jr., as part of an abortive CIA effort to assassinate Cuban leader Fidel Castro. The plan was dropped after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961.

"If anything went wrong," Mr. Maheu wrote in his memoir, "I was the fall guy, caught between protecting the government and protecting the mob, two armed camps that could crush me like a bug."
Mr. Maheu disclosed that in 1970 he delivered $100,000 to Charles G. "Bebe" Rebozo, a close friend of President Richard M. Nixon's, in return for possible future favors for Hughes. Mr. Maheu entertained Nixon's vice president, Spiro Agnew, on his yacht and regularly played tennis with then-Nevada Gov. Paul Laxalt (R), who became a U.S. senator.
Billy Campbell and Judith Exner

Judith Exner (January 11, 1934 – September 24, 1999) was an American woman who claimed to be the mistress of U.S. president John F. Kennedy and Mafia leaders Sam Giancana and John Roselli. She was also known as Judith Campbell Exner

Church Committee[edit]

Exner received national media attention when she testified before the Church Committee in 1975.[4] The Senate Church Committee on Government Operations and Intelligence was investigating CIA assassination attempts.[5] Roselli testified to the committee about Mafia involvement in the CIA attempt on Fidel Castro's life.[1] When the Church Committee report was released in December 1975, it said that a "close friend" of President Kennedy had also been a close friend of mobsters John Roselli and Sam Giancana."[1] Campbell's identity as the close friend was leaked to the Washington Post, which publicized it.[1] William Safire in The New York Times also published it.[6] The Committee had sent Exner a subpoena to make her testify. By then married to Dan Exner, Judith Exner called a press conference that month and denied any knowledge of Mafia involvement with Kennedy.
In a 1988 interview with Kitty Kelley of People magazine, Exner told a very different story about Giancana and Kennedy.[1] She said that she had lied to the Church Committee and in her memoir out of fear of Mafia retaliation
John "Handsome Johnny" Roselli (born Filippo Sacco; July 4, 1905 – August 9, 1976), sometimes spelled John Rosselli, was an influential mobster for the Chicago Outfit who helped them control Hollywood and the Las Vegas Strip.

Roselli was also involved with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plot to kill Cuban leader Fidel Castro in the early 1960s. Many conspiracy researchers believe he was also involved with John Fitzgerald Kennedy's assassination in 1963.

On August 9, 1976, Roselli's decomposing body was found in a 55-gallon steel fuel drum floating in Dumfoundling Bay near Miami, Florida. Roselli had been strangled and shot, and his legs were sawn off. Some believed that boss Trafficante ordered Roselli's death. According to this theory, Trafficante believed that Roselli had revealed too much about the Kennedy assassination and Castro murder plots during his Senate testimony, violating the strict Mafia code of omertà


In this video frame grab provided by WTVJ-TV in Miami, a covered 55-gallon drum that Dade County authorities said contained the body of underworld figure Johnny Roselli is removed from the area on Dumbfoundling Bay near Miami, Fla, Aug. 8, 1976, on the back of a wrecker. The barrel was found by fishermen. Police say Roselli had been shot at least once. (AP Photo/Courtesy of WTVJ-TV)

Bill Bonanno, the son of Cosa Nostra mafia boss Joseph Bonanno, claimed in his 1999 memoir, Bound by Honor: A Mafioso's Story, that he had discussed the assassination of President John F. Kennedy with Roselli and implicated him as the primary hitman in a conspiracy instigated by the mob. According to Bonanno, Roselli fired at Kennedy from a storm drain on Elm Street.

The Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, known as the "Church Committee" after its chairman Frank Church, conducted a wide-ranging investigation of the intelligence agencies in the post-Watergate period.

The Church Committee took public and private testimony from hundreds of people, collected huge volumes of files from the FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, and many other federal agencies, and issued 14 reports in 1975 and 1976.

Since the passage of the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act in 1992, over 50,000 pages of Church Committee records have been declassified and made available to the public. These files contain testimony and information on U.S. attempts to assassinate foreign leaders, on the Church Committee's investigation of the intelligence agencies' response to the JFK assassination, and related topics.

Also available is the report of the Rockefeller Commission, which preceded the Church Committee and issued a brief report on CIA activities within the U.S.

The AARC sells a CD-ROM, produced by History Matters, which contains the 14 Church Committee Reports and over 1000 pages from released files, along with sophisticated search tools. See the Catalog.

The Church Committee Reports

This CD-ROM collects together electronic copies of all 14 hard-to-find published reports of the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activites. In the mid 1970s, the so-called Church Committee documented a variety of abuses by the intelligence agencies.

Also included is over 1000 pages of Church Church Committee documents released under the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act. Some of these records were declassified as recently as the summer of 2000.
Additional Reports and Documents:
•Rockefeller Report. Report by the President's Commission on CIA Activities Within the United States (Rockefeller Report)
•Finding Aids. Table of contents of all 56 boxes of Church Committee records declassified under the 1992 JFK Assassination Records Collection Act. Nine of these boxes were released as recently as the summer of 2000.
•Church Committee depositions: ◦Thomas Parrott, head of the White House "Special Group" from 1957 to 1963
◦David Phillips, CIA propaganda specialist and founder of the Association of Retired Intelligence Officers
◦James Angleton, chief of CIA's Counterintelligence Division from 1954 to 1974
◦Jane Roman, subordinate of Angleton and handler of cables related to Lee Oswald's purported trip to Mexico City in the fall of 1963
◦CIA case officer for AMLASH, the code-name for a Cuban official recruited by CIA to kill Fidel Castro

•Other Church Committee files: ◦References to FBI Review of Tapes of Oswald's Oct. 1, 1963 Mexico City Conversation
◦Committee Report: The Intelligence Agencies and the Assassination of President Kennedy
◦Preliminary Report of Investigation into the Assassination of President Kennedy
◦Oswald in New Orleans
◦J. Lee Rankin Letters to CIA (Correspondence File)
◦J. Lee Rankin Letters to State Department
◦and more....
Mae Brussell -Frank Sinatra Connection to JFK- (5-30-88)
Recorded May 30, 1988.

SCHICKLGRUBER, ADOLF H., Marina Oswald, Commission Exhibit #106, The Mind of Adolf Hitler, Walter Langer, Hitler's grandfather was Schicklgruber, grandmother worked for Baron Rothschild, funded Hitler. NAZIS GO UNDERGROUND, 1943. Richard Condon, wrote Winter Kills, "Manchurian Candidate", J.F. Kennedy assassination, R.F. Kennedy, Jack Ruby, Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, Lawrence Harvey, Marilyn Monroe, Sinatra, Peter Lawford, Judith Exner, Sam Giancana, John Rosselli, Robert Maheu, Nelson Rockefeller, murders. Sinatra connection, Marilyn Monroe, R.F. Kennedy, blackmail sex tapes, Exner and blackmail of J.F. Kennedy, Lucky Luciano and Sinatra in Naples and Cuba, Hotel Nacional, Carlos Marcello, Ruby, Santos Trafficante. Sen. Estes Kefauver, R.F. Kennedy, mob investigation. Mind Control by Navy and CIA, MKULTRA. "Suddenly" with Sinatra on paid assassins. Sinatra and Bugsy Siegel, Murder, Inc., Harry Cohn and "From Here to Eternity", Richard Nixon, Republicans, Giancana, Maheu, Guy Bannister, Frank Sturgis/Fiorini, warning to J.F. Kennedy, Arthur Krim and United Artists. Fred Otash, Peter Lawford, Marilyn Monroe, Ralph H. Greenson psychiatrist for Sinatra and Marilyn Monroe. Goddess, Anthony Summers says Greenson part of cover-up. Sinatra dating Jackie Kennedy Onassis, Uris Theatre, Jilly Rizzo, 21 Club, Rainbow Grill. Sinatra, Earl Wilson.

( Suddenly - Sinatra - 1954
The Manchurian Candidate - Sinatra - 1962

The year 1946 was a busy one for Mafia chieftain Charles "Lucky" Luciano. He was released from prison after serving 10 years, deported and paroled to his native Sicily, and, within eight months, had made it all the way to Havana, Cuba as part of his plan to get back to the United States. This stopover, on the way to his intended final destination – New York City – would be the site of an important mob summit – the "Havana Conference" – and would bring the wrath of the U.S. government down on the tiny island. The Feds made it clear that having Luciano just 90 miles from the U.S. mainland was too close and demanded that Cuban officials send him back to Italy.
In December 1946, the Havana Conference started as planned. To welcome Luciano back from exile and acknowledge his continued authority within the mob, all the conference invitees brought Luciano cash envelopes. These "Christmas Presents" totalled more than $200,000. At the first night dinner hosted by Lansky, Frank Costello, and Joe Adonis, Luciano was presented with the money.

The official cover story for the Havana Conference was that the mobsters were attending a gala party with Frank Sinatra as the entertainment.

Sinatra flew to Havana with Al Capone cousins, Charlie, Rocco and Joseph Fischetti from Chicago. Joseph "Joe Fish" Fischetti, an old Sinatra acquaintance, acted as Sinatra's chaperone and bodyguard. Charlie and Rocco Fischetti delivered a suitcase containing $2 million to Luciano, his share of the U.S. rackets he still controlled.

In his book and film of The God­father, the flagging career of a singer named Johnny Fontane is rescued when he gets an important film part — thanks to a blood-­dripping racehorse’s head left by the Mafia as a warning in the studio boss’s bed.

To many people, ­Fontane just had to be a dead ringer for Frank Sinatra.


The photo that apparently links Frank Sinatra to the Mafia: Pictured with the singer are Tommy 'Fatso' Marson, Don Carlo Gambino 'The Godfather', and Jimmy 'The Weasel' Fratianno

Pleasure palace: The National Hotel in Havana, Cuba, which had links to the Mafia - and where Sinatra stayed as a guest
2008 John H. Meier: Howard Hughes involvement with RFK Assassination, Onassis Schacht King of Tonga

The Gemstone File June 1, 2008 Nuku'alofa, Tonga - John H. Meier, former advisor to the recluse billionaire industrialist Howard Hughes, claims that the Hughes organization (Onassis Schacht Skorzeny Hauge) was involved in the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968 (and JFK's assassination in 1963).
The Enemy Within: The Mcclellan Committee's Crusade Against Jimmy Hoffa And Corrupt Labor Unions Paperback
by Robert F. Kennedy
In 1960, he published the book The Enemy Within, describing the corrupt practices within the Teamsters and other unions that he had helped investigate; the book sold very well.

Marilyn Monroe (born Norma Jeane Mortenson; June 1, 1926 – August 5, 1962)

The assassination was directed within the CIA through James Jesus Angleton’s “Executive Action” program, which was headed by William Harvey, and through the Sicilian “Men of Honor” society via head of the Chicago outfit, Sam “Mooney” Giancana. This might have been a result of the oligarchies running North America and Europe reaching a consensus Kennedy needed to be eliminated or it could have been a much smaller conspiracy deep inside the NSA, Pentagon and/or Sullivan and Cromwell.

After JFK and RKF discovered William Harvey was still working with Johnny Roselli on plans to assassinate Castro (after the CIA was told to back off), they wanted Harvey sacked from the CIA, so Angleton transferred him to Italy. Soon thereafter, the Executive Action program was put back into action, only this time, the target was JFK, not Castro.

The connection between Roselli and Harvey had been initiated through Howard Hughes’ second-in-command Robert Maheu in discussions with Chicago Godfather Giancana. Maheu had started his career as Chicago FBI second-in-command under Guy Bannister, who also figures in the assassination. The connections between the Sicilian and Jewish organized crime families and the CIA run much deeper than people realize (Giancana called them “two heads of the same coin”),  although the proposed assassination of Castro was first time this alliance had surfaced since it first appeared when Lucky Luciano cut a deal with Naval Intelligence during WWII. Oswald was an expendable patsy who worked undercover for both Angleton and Hoover.

Like Giancana, Roselli made his bones under Al Capone as a triggerman. He evolved into Giancana’s eyes and ears, first in L.A., then in Vegas.  Once when Roselli was up on a murder charge, the witness and the investigating DA both turned up unexpectedly dead. Charles Nicoletti, one of Giancana’s favorite hitman in Chicago, was also recruited for the JFK job. Roselli confessed his role several times, to his mistress and to Bill Bonanno while in jail. Roselli turned up dead before he could testify to Congress a second time (he’d already broken omerta by revealing the CIA-mob plot to kill Castro).

William King "Bill" Harvey (September 13, 1915 – June 9, 1976) was a Central Intelligence Agency officer, best known for his role in Operation Mongoose. He was known as "America's James Bond."
Harvey was also posted to West Berlin as Chief of Base in the 1950s, where he led the operation that built an underground tunnel to the Soviet sector, to spy on their communication channels. This operation was called PBJOINTLY.

In 1975, he testified before the Church Committee on some of the CIA's past operations.
Harvey died in Indianapolis, Indiana on June 9, 1976 from a heart attack
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 18, 2013, 09:50:08 pm
Notice how they "frame" the article.... They STILL believe ...
Most still believe in JFK assassination conspiracy
November 18, 2013

Some things will never die — and John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories appear to be among them.

Fifty years later, no less than 61% of Americans believe others besides Lee Harvey Oswald were involved in Kennedy's murder, reports the Gallup Poll.

This is the lowest percentage in nearly 50 years, Gallup notes, but remains a solid majority.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 19, 2013, 08:28:55 am
JV was being interveiwed by three young woman, JFK's assassination was the topic, one girl giggled and said, come on Jesse, thats ancient history, this is today.. As if to say , whats the difference, nobody cares. It was sureal.
  Jesse looked very pizzed, but remained level headed as if answering to a child.
  Kennedy stepped on the wrong toes and was killed. Oswald was a patsy- clever syndicate deception, we all know that.
European fat cats (gamblers) were placing bets as to what day JFK would murdered shortly after he took on the FED and made it clear he would withdraw troops from Nam.
 I can imagine the elite crew considered JFK a guy who would play ball, manipulative. He wasn't, therfore they felt ,,(Who does this Irish upstart pizzhead  think he is to muck with us, he has to go and a example is to be made of this, kill him).
 Any politician remembers distinctly the 3K lesson, example of what happens to men of soul who stand up to the elites.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 19, 2013, 10:32:44 am
Hear guest James Tague (the only living witness who was wounded himself during the JFK assassination) on Alex Jones Show 11-18-13 (Hr 1 & 2  Starts approx 40 mins into hour) ( (

His new book: "LBJ and the Kennedy Killing" by James Tague ( ( (

Tague states that the shooter was not Oswald, but a Mike Wallace!

He also states that LBJ was the low level traitor behind the murder (of course LBJ's controllers were really behind the murder, using a willing traitor and front man who wanted to be President, LBJ).
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 19, 2013, 10:34:29 am
Excerpt from "The Official Story" fed to the Warren Commission by J. Edgar Hoover, FBI: (They do mention James Tague in passing.)




Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 20, 2013, 06:54:05 am
Lee H. Oswald had to be eliminated.   The dupe is wacked by a dupe.
People were told Jack Ruby was a JFK fan seeking revenge.
Who was J. Ruby.Between 1949 and November 24, 1963, Ruby was arrested eight times by the Dallas Police Department. The dates, charges, and dispositions of these arrests are as follows: February 4, 1949, Ruby paid a $10 fine for disturbing the peace. July 26, 1953, Ruby was suspected of carrying a concealed weapon; however, no charges were filed and Ruby was released on the same day. May 1, 1954, Ruby was arrested for allegedly carrying a concealed weapon and violating a peace bond; again no charges were filed and Ruby was released on the same day. December 5, 1954, Ruby was arrested for allegedly violating State liquor laws by selling liquor after hours; the complaint was dismissed on February 8, 1955. June 21, 1959, Ruby was arrested for allegedly permitting dancing after hours; the complaint was dismissed on July 8, 1959. August 21, 1960, Ruby was again arrested for allegedly permitting dancing after hours; Ruby posted $25 bond and was released on that date. February 12, 1963, Ruby was arrested on a charge of simple assault; he was found not guilty February 27, 1963. Finally, on March 14, 1963, Ruby was arrested for allegedly ignoring traffic summonses; a $35 bond was posted.
When Ruby applied for a beer license in March 1961, he reported that he had been arrested "about four or five times" between 1947 and 1953. Between 1950 and 1963, he received 20 tickets for motor vehicle violations, paying four $10 fines and three of $3. In 1956 and 1959, Ruby was placed on 6 months' probation as a traffic violator.
Ruby was also frequently suspended by the Texas Liquor Control Board. In August 1949, when he was operating the Silver Spur, he was suspended for 5 days on a charge of "Agents: Moral Turpitude." In 1953 Ruby received a 5-day suspension because of an obscene show, and, in 1954, a 10-day suspension for allowing a drunkard on his premises. On February 18, 1954, he was suspended for 5 days because of an obscene striptease act at the Silver Spur and for the consumption of alcoholic beverages during prohibited hours. On March 26, 1956. Ruby was suspended by the liquor board for 3 days because several of his checks were dishonored. On October 23, 1961, he received another 3-day suspension because an agent solicited the sale of alcoholic beverages for consumption on licensed premises.
 Unadmisable lie detectro test: Ruby, testifying before the Warren Commission, begged to be given a polygraph ("lie detector") test, and the Commission — very much against its better judgment — gave in to his entreaties. Conspiracists have claimed that the polygraph test shows Ruby lying about knowing Oswald and being part of a conspiracy. Unfortunately, as Dave Reitzes shows in this essay from his web site, "lie detector" tests have little value, and Ruby's test provides no evidence that he was lying.
  As Ruby aimed his gun, Lee Harvey yelled JACK- NO......When police grabbed Ruby he said."You all know me, I'm Jack Ruby.” That's what the killer shouted when police grabbed him a split second after he had pumped a bullet into the stomach of Lee Oswald.
   Jack Ruby

  Jack Ruby was born in 1911. His real name being Jacob Rubenstein. His parents were Polish immigrants, and he grew up in Chicago. As a boy, he ran errands for Al Capone. In 1937-39, Jack Ruby was a "union organizer" and "secretary" for a local branch of the Scrap Iron and Junk Handlers Union in Chicago. During World War II, Jack Ruby served in the U.S. Air Force. After a business venture with his brothers fell through, he left Chicago and moved to Dallas, where he opened up his first nightclub that he named the Silver Spur. In 1957-58, he was running guns to the followers of Fidel Castro, who were fighting to overthrow Batista. In 1959, Jack Ruby went to Havana to try to gain the release of Santos Trafficante, who had been jailed by Castro's government for his role in Mafia gambling and narcotics activities. Trafficante later participated in a CIA plot to kill Castro. During the early 1960s, Jack Ruby helped supply arms to the anti-Castro Cubans. During the 1950s-1963, he ran several nightclubs.
At the time of President Kennedy's assassination, he lived in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas. On Nov. 24, 1963, Jack Ruby fatally shot  Lee Harvey Oswald once in the abdomen, in the basement of Dallas police headquarters, where he was being transferred to the County Jail. The incident occurred on live television. Ruby had walked down a car ramp to get to the basement, even though the narrow entrance to the car ramp was guarded by a police officer. Oswald died at Parkland Hospital, as doctors tried to save him. In 1964, Jack Ruby was brought to trial for the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. In that same year, he was convicted and sentenced to death. In 1966, the judgment of death was reversed by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, and he was granted a second trial. On January 3, 1967, Jack Ruby died from the effects of galloping lung cancer before his second trial could begin. He claimed that he had been injected with cancer. His picture is found below.The Death of Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald - Homestead‎
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 20, 2013, 07:47:39 am
Jack Ruby, the man who shot accused assassin of President John F. Kennedy Lee Harvey Oswald, said in his interview with the Warren Commission (the investigative team appointed by the federal government to probe the Kennedy assassination) on June 7th, 1964:
Jack Ruby's statement to the Warren Commision.
“Everything pertaining to what’s happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts of what occurred or my motives. The people that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I’m in will never let the true facts come above board to the world. Gentlemen, I want to tell you the truth, but I cannot tell it here. If you want a fair shake out of me you have to take me to Washington. I tell you that a whole new form of government is going to take over the country and I know I won’t live to see you another time.”
                     SC: The
 Go figure, this slob died in prison, his illness remains a mystery, though MSM/GOV has declared it was cancer.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 20, 2013, 12:08:28 pm
mission complete....
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 20, 2013, 04:07:27 pm
Yet another bogus award? These people are beyond nuts!  ::)

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 21, 2013, 11:56:01 am
Oswald's Handlers: George de Mohrenschildt - J. Walton Moore, of the CIA’s Domestic Contacts Division - Charles Donald Ford

also notice that back in the day O'Reilly was working the Oswald-CIA angle - yet today he's pushing the sweep-it-under-the-rug-history-book ,,,

youtube -Bill O'Reilly's Outdated 'and Bogus Version Of The Kennedy Assassination!!(Oswald Was Pyscopath)   hmmmm  so he wants a paycheck from tptb? (

Since the passage of the JFK Records Collection Act and the formation of the Assassination Records Review Board, there has been a wealth of new information on the JFK case, in both documents and research.

In his presentation at the JFK Lancer conference, researcher Martin Shackelford said he's attempted to assemble some of this new information --- just a fraction of what's been released, he explained --- which he wanted to share. The information he presented was fascinating, and seems to confirm many long-held suspicions.

"We've learned a great deal about Lee Harvey Oswald," Shackelford began. He read off a list:


Shackelford also presented information on George DeMohrenschildt. "His brother Dmitri once worked for TIME-LIFE, and then published The Russian Review, a journal subsidized by the CIA. From 1958 to 1963 DeMohrenschildt was employed by Lyndon Johnson's chief financial backer, George Brown of Brown and Root." He had previously worked for another LBJ backer, Martin said.

"Dallas CIA man J. Walton Moore first mentioned Oswald to DeMohrenschildt in 1961, while Oswald was still in Russia. An associate of Moore gave DeMohrenschildt Oswald's address in 1962, and suggested DeMohrenschildt contact Oswald. The original story was that George Bouhe introduced DeMohrenschildt to Oswald. This could still be true if Bouhe was a CIA colleague of J. Walton Moore."

DeMohrenschildt encouraged Lee Oswald to write a detailed memoir of his time in Russia, which he did in October of 1962. DeMohrenschildt subsequently gave it to Moore to copy. Reports based on other information provided by Oswald were sent to the CIA's Soviet Russia Division at Langley.

In April of 1963 the CIA requested an "expedite check" on DeMohrenschildt, Shackelford reported. The very next month, DeMohrenschildt met with Vice President Lyndon Johnson and branch chief of the Soviet Russia Division.

In late 1963, after the assassination, "an unexplained $200,000 was deposited from a Bahamian bank into DeMohrenschildt's bank account in Haiti," Martin said. "It was later paid out to an undisclosed party."

In late 1969, DeMohrenschildt told a family friend that billionaire oilman H.L. Hunt was behind the Kennedy assassination. Hunt supported LBJ in 1960.

THE O’REILLY FACTOR IN THE JFK ASSASSINATION:  J. Walton Moore & Lee Harvey Oswald Bill Kelly

  The Bill O’Reilly Factor in the JFK Assassination is his thwarted attempt to get at the truth in Dallas.

In 1977 Bill O’Reilly worked as a reporter for the WFAA TV news station in Dallas when(http://he unsuccessfully attempted to get an interview with J. Walton Moore, the resident agent of the CIA’s Domestic Contacts Division). Moore had been associated with George DeMohrenschildt, a close friend of Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin of President

Kennedy, and O’Reilly was investigating a possible association between Moore and Oswald himself.

O’Reilly got involved when the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was beginning to reinvestigate the President’s assassination. O’Reilly learned that Moore often debriefed George DeMohrenschildt. If the CIA’s Moore and Oswald the alleged assassin were associated in any way it would certainly go against the grain of the official conclusion that Oswald killed Kennedy alone, for some perverted and psychological, yet unknown motive.

DeMohrenschildt however, was one of a dozen or so witnesses targeted by the HSCA who were found dead in suspicious circumstances before they could testify. But O’Reilly did get an on-camera interview with his widow, Jeanne DeMohrenschildt, who recalled J. Walton Moore; how they used to socialize with Moore and his wife, and the fact that Moore shunned them when they returned to Dallas from Haiti. And for good reason. The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) did look into the situation, and they included a synopsis of the allegations in the Appendix papers published with the HSCA Final Report.

In regards to DeMohrenschildt and J. Watlon Moore, the HSCA reported in Volume XI IV under the heading Allegations of De Morhrenschildt’s Intelligence Connections: during his Warren Commission testimony, de Mohrenschildt was asked by Counsel Jenner if he had ever been in any respect an agent. De Mohrenschildt responded that he never had... In his Warren Commission testimony de Mohrenschildt stated that he believed he had discussed Lee Harvey Oswald with J. Walton Moore, whom de Mohrenschildt described a Government man; either FBI or Central Intelligence;

De Mohrenschildt said Moore had interviewed him when he returned from Yugoslvaia and that he was known as the head of the FBI in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt asserted that he asked Moore and Ft. Worth attorney Max Clark about Oswald to reassure himself that it was safe for de Mohrenschildt to assist Oswald. According to his testimony, de Mohrenschildt was told by one of the persons he talked to that Oswald, although he said he could not remember who it was, that the guy seems to be OK;

This admitted association with J. Walton Moore fed the rumors of some involvement by de Mohrenschildt in intelligence activities. In 1963 J. Walton Moore was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas, Tex., in the Domestic Contacts Division. According to Moore’s CIA personnel file, he was assigned to the Domestic Contacts Division in 1948. Moore’s duties in the Dallas office were contacting individuals... who had information on foreign topics.

In an Agency memorandum dated April 13, 1977, contained in George de Mohrenschildt’s CIA file, Moore set forth facts to counter a claim which had been recently made by WFAA-TV in Dallas that Lee Harvey Oswald was employed by the CIA and that Moore knew Oswald.

In that memo, Moore is quoted as saying that according to his records the last time he talked to George de Mohrenschildt was in the fall of 1961. Moore said that he had no recollection of any conversation with de Mohrenschildt: First, in the spring of 1958 to discuss the mutual interest the two couples had in mainland China: and then in the fall of 1961 when the de Mohrenschildt showed films of their Latin American walking trip. Other documents in de Mohrenschildt’s CIA file indicate more contact between Moore and de Mohrenschildt than was stated in the 1977 memo by Moore.

In a memorandum dated May 1, 1964, from Moore to the Acting Chief of the Contacts Division of the CIA. Moore stated that he had known George de Mohrenschildt and his wife since 1957, at which time Moore got biographical data on de Mohrenschildt after de Mohrenschildt’s trip to Yugoslavia for the International Cooperation Administration. Moore said also in that 1964 memo that he saw de Mohrenschildt several times in 1958 and 1959.

DeMohrenschildt’s CIA file contained several reports submitted by de Mohrenschildt to the CIA on topics concerning Yugoslavia. In an interview with the committee on March 14, 1978, Moore stated that he did interview de Mohrenschildt in 1957 after the Yugoslavia trip. At that time Moore also indicated he had periodic contact with de Mohrenschildt debriefing purposes over the years after that. Moore said that none of that contact or conversation with de Mohrenschildt was related to Oswald: Moore said that the allegations that de Mohrenschildt asked Moore’s permission to contact Oswald were false


5. On 12 April 1977, our administrative assistant Mrs Barham received a phone call from an individual asking to speak with Morris Bishop. She advised that there was no one by that name working in the office. day after O’Reilly’s attempt to interview Moore, somebody called the Dallas CIA DCD office asking for a Morris Bishop; which is now recognized as an attempt by someone, possibly O’Reilly, to identify the mysterious “Maurice Bishop”; a person whose real identity would take up a lot of time of HSCA investigators in attempting to trace.

Most significant however, is the assertion by Moore himself that he attended the De Mohrenschildt’s party held to showcase the film they made of their year long trip through Mexico and Central America, one peculiar aspect of which was their arrival in Guatemala at the same time the Bay of Pigs brigade was in training - that being April, 1961. That’s the date the HSCA Report mistakenly says was the last time Moore met with DeMohrenschildt.

The party at which the film was shown was actually in February, 1963. One possible reason for all the secrecy, blackmail and intimidation is the fact that Oswald himself attended that party, and in the company of only ten or twelve people, Moore and Oswald would have a hard time not meeting. According to De Mohrenschildt’s account of the party, it was a night to remember for more than one reason.

[ When Oswald met his "best" friend" George De Mohrenschildt (of Lbj's MIC Brown and Root) ]  
So both Oswald, the alleged assassin, and J. Walton Moore, of the CIA’s Domestic Contacts Division, attended the De Mohrenschildt’s party where Ruth Paine also met Marina Oswald, the Russian wife of the alleged assassin, setting up another important association.

In addition, the documents released under the JFK Act also show that both J. Walton Moore and Charles Donald Ford joined the Navy during World War II, but ended up in the Army, assigned to the OSS, where in 1945 they were both sent to China on a mission together.

Charles Donald Ford became a CIA training officer assigned to the JM/WAVE station before being assigned to be the chief liaison between the CIA and Robert F. Kennedy, the attorney general, said to be a middle-man between the White House and the mob in the plots to kill Castro.

If J. Walton Moore and Charles Donald Ford, together in the OSS, were also working together in 1963, then Moore could have been a direct CIA channel on Oswald’s activities to those operators at JM/WAVE, who are suspected of setting Oswald up as the patsy and framing him for the assassination.

While all investigative roads seem to lead back to JM/WAVE, the CIA is still stonewalling in refusing to abide by the JFK Act, and refuses to release the pertinent records, about Mr. J. Walton Moore, C. D. Ford, George Joannides, David Morales, David Atlee Phillips, and the others who were involved in the few and specific (April-Nov.) anti-Castro Cuban operations that involved RFK.That Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly was one of the reporters stonewalled on this issue should inspire him to follow through on his 1977 assignment, and join other reporters in the call for the release of the necessary records and for proper congressional oversight and enforcement of the JFK Act. As can be seen, O’Reilly was on the right track, and that a follow-up into the recently released records shows that O’Reilly was correct in his assertions that there were more definitive associations between the CIA’s J. Walton Moore and Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin of President Kennedy.

George Rufus Brown (May 12, 1898 – January 22, 1983) was a prominent Houstonian entrepreneur. Brown led Brown & Root Inc. to become one of the largest construction companies in the world and helped to foster the political career of Lyndon B. Johnson. The George R. Brown Convention Center and the George R. Brown School of Engineering of Rice University are both named in honor of him.
In 1936, Brown & Root was awarded a contract to construct the Marshall Ford Dam (now known as the Mansfield Dam). The construction was almost stopped in 1937 but was allowed to continue when Lyndon B. Johnson (then a very junior congressman) helped push through special legislation. The project was part of the New Deal, and was completed in 1942.[3][4] During World War II, the company's work was expanded to military construction. Over 300 water crafts were constructed.[4] The company was investigated by the Internal Revenue Service in 1942 for giving bonuses to employees who had agreed to donate to Lyndon B. Johnson. Brown & Root was ultimately fined $372,000
Brown & Root co-founder George Brown (left) with President Lyndon B. Johnson. LBJ's ties to the Brown brothers dated back to his days as a Texas congressman.

JMWAVE or JM/WAVE or JM WAVE was the codename for a major secret United States covert operations and intelligence gathering station operated by the CIA from 1961 until 1968. It was headquartered in Building 25

25.6202°N 80.3990°W on the South Campus (formerly the site of Richmond Naval Air Station, an airship base about 12 miles south of the main campus) of the University of Miami in Miami, Florida. It was also referred to as the CIA's "Miami Station" or "Wave Station".[1][2][3][4][5]

JMWAVE underwent its first major development when it was established as the operations center for Task Force W, the CIA's unit dedicated to "Operation Mongoose"[2][6][7] - a US effort to overthrow President Fidel Castro's Communist government in Cuba. JMWAVE was also active in some form during the failed US-sponsored "Bay of Pigs" invasion of Cuba in April 1961.[8] The JMWAVE operation grew out of an earlier fledgling CIA office in Coral Gables.[1]

The station's activities reached their peak in late 1962 and early 1963 - the period of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Under Ted Shackley's leadership from 1962 to 1965, JMWAVE grew to be the largest CIA station in the world outside of the organization's headquarters in Langley, Virginia, with 300 to 400 professional operatives (possibly including about 100 based in Cuba) as well as an estimated 15,000 anti-Castro Cuban exiles on its payroll. The CIA was one of Miami's largest employers during this period. Exiles were trained in commando tactics, espionage and seamanship and the station supported numerous exile raids on Cuba
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Jackson Holly on November 21, 2013, 11:57:11 am

… another excerpt from my
so-called book I am working on:

 The groundwork on the various inventions which together became known as ‘television’ transpired during the first three decades of the century ... it was a big hit at the ’39 World’s Fair for instance. However, the roll out had to wait until the late ‘40s, after the carnage, known as World War II, was ended. That blood bath, by the way, was perpetrated by many of the same entities developing TV ... RCA, GE, Bell, Raytheon, Westinghouse, etc ... those same ‘corporations’ which had by that time already become the technology wing of the ‘military/industrial complex’ ... also known as the Anglo/American Empire.

   I was born in 1948, a member of that first TV generation. I saw it all from the beginning, TV’s inaugural projected shadow universe, which, though rudimentary and unsophisticated, was, nonetheless, bewitching and powerfully hypnotic. I do not wish to give a full history of Hollywood and the ‘Religion of Television’ here, the predictive programming, the societal stage managing, the historical narrative invented from whole cloth ... I wish only to allude to its incalculable effectiveness as a tool of psychological manipulation and its parallel to Plato’s Cave Allegory. For most people at this late date, electronic media truly is the only reality they know.

    I believe the ... uh, let’s just call them the ‘controllers’ ... realized from the start the power they now possessed, to take mankind and civilization wherever they wished. I believe they resorted to the age-old modus operandi of the secret societies, often described now as ‘think tanks’, to formulate and implement their various plans of action. I believe the controllers consist of Royalty, Nobility and other super-wealthy families in all the commercial and criminal endeavors, especially ‘banking’.

    I believe the controllers are very mindful of the chronicle of ‘history’ fabricated by their forebears, their place in it and their ‘divine’ duty to further the ‘unfinished work of the ages’.

    I believe the controllers choose their mouthpieces, their spokesmen, to place into positions of governmental and corporate power, largely via the strength of TV. I believe that today all the meaningful institutions of the world, with few exceptions, are elements of ‘shadow cultures’ and ‘shadow governments’.

    Throughout the 1950s in the US the new system proved its effectiveness as a psy-ops weapon, this pulpit, this cave hearth for the elite priesthood/storytellers spinning the web of false history and metaphysical doctrine. Then, in November 1963, with stunning success, the controllers executed their first big trial  of the weapon ... the selling of the Kennedy murder as happenstance, a coincidence theory, if you will ... an isolated act by a deranged ‘lone gunman’, the kind of thing we should expect more of, they implied, in our godless, blind watchmaker universe.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: KD7ONE on November 21, 2013, 12:24:44 pm
Evidence Of Revision

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Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Jackson Holly on November 21, 2013, 12:56:56 pm

… AJ is breakin' out the BULLHORN!

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 21, 2013, 01:00:11 pm
The JFK Assassination The Jim Garrison Tapes 1992 YouTube  (

JFK: Just Because They Write Our History, Doesn’t Mean We Have to Believe It.
What? What does this tell us? Our media is state controlled and has been for decades.
James Jesus Angleton

During the Second World War Angleton served with the Office of Strategic Services and in March 1943 was sent to London to be trained by MI5 officers such as Dick White and Kim Philby. He later served as a counter-intelligence agent in Italy.

[   Interesting that Philby defected in Jan, 1963 ...
Harold Adrian Russell "Kim" Philby (1 January 1912 – 11 May 1988[1]) was a high-ranking member of British intelligence who worked as a double agent before defecting to the Soviet Union in 1963. He served as both an NKVD and KGB operative
Reportedly, "Angleton had an alliance with ... the Mafia, dating from 1944 when he was an O.S.S. officer in Italy.

"'Operation Gladio' ... was based on Angleton's fascist-Mafia connections, and employed ... the Mafia to assassinate some who couldn't be bribed, e.g. Prime Minster Aldo Moro."

After the war Angleton worked for the War Department's Strategic Services Unit. He became the chief counter-intelligence officer for Italy but in 1947 he returned home to join the Central Intelligence Agency. In 1951 he was sent to Israel where he helped establish Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service.


Some researchers have claimed that Angleton was involved in covering up CIA's involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. H. R. Haldeman, President Nixon's chief of staff, claimed in his book, The Ends of Power: "After Kennedy was killed, the CIA launched a fantastic cover-up. The CIA literally erased any connection between Kennedy's assassination and the CIA... in fact, Counter intelligence Chief James Angleton of the CIA called Bill Sullivan of the FBI and rehearsed the questions and answers they would give to the Warren Commission investigators."

For example, Winston Scott, was CIA station chief in 1963. He retired in 1969 and wrote a memoir about his time in the FBI, OSS and the CIA. He completed the manuscript, It Came To Little, and made plans to discuss the contents of the book with CIA director, Richard Helms, in Washington on 30th April, 1971.

Scott died on 26th April, 1971. No autopsy was performed, and a postmortem suggested he had suffered a heart attack. His son, Michael Scott told Dick Russell that he took away his father's manuscript. Angleton also confiscated three large cartons of files including a tape-recording of the voice of Lee Harvey Oswald. Michael Scott was also told by a CIA source that his father had not died from natural causes.

Michael Scott eventually got his father's manuscript back from the CIA. However, 150 pages were missing. Chapters 13 to 16 were deleted in their entirety. In fact, everything about his life after 1947 had been removed on grounds of national security.
Operation Gladio - Full 1992 documentary BBC

 Published on 7 Jul 2012

 Originally aired on BBC2 in 1992, 'Operation Gladio' reveals 'Gladio', the secret state- sponsored terror network operating in Europe.

 This BBC series is about a far-right secret army, operated by the CIA and MI6 through  NATO, which killed hundreds of innocent Europeans and attempted to blame the deaths  on Baader Meinhof, Red Brigades and other left wing groups. Known as 'stay-behinds'  these armies were given access to military equipment which was supposed to be used  for sabotage after a Soviet invasion. Instead it was used in massacres across mainland  Europe as part of a CIA Strategy of Tension. Gladio killing sprees in Belgium and Italy  were carried out for the purpose of frightening the national political classes into  adopting U.S. policies.

 Director Allan Frankovich
It was a directive that came after William Colby testified before Senator Frank Church’s 1975 hearings on U.S. intelligence operations. In that post-Watergate era—four of the burglars had been found to have C.I.A. connections—and as Saigon was falling at the end of the Vietnam War, former C.I.A. Saigon station chief Colby’s blunt and controversial recounting of the agency’s more nefarious practices not only brought on Congressional oversight of the C.I.A. for the first time but also ensured Colby’s sacking later that year by President Ford.

 In an effort to explain his father, Carl Colby’s new documentary, The Man Nobody Knew, which premieres tomorrow, ...

The dramatic events surrounding Colby’s career include a secret collaboration with the Vatican to defeat the Communist Party in Italy in the late 50s, his tenure as the head of the C.I.A. in the Far East during the buildup of the Vietnam war, the assassination of Vietnam’s president Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963, and Colby’s stewardship of the controversial Phoenix program—a measure that sanctioned the killing of thousands of suspected Viet Cong.
James Jesus Angleton  and the Kennedy Assassination...

In Italy, 1947, Angleton participated in an OSO operation given to a group called SPG, or Special Procedures Group, in which propaganda and other means were used to keep the Italians from voting any Communists into office.  Other means included the Mafia. "Wild Bill" Donovan, founder of the OSS, helped release "Lucky" Luciano and other Mafia criminals from jail in New York so they could return to Italy and provide not only contacts, but if necessary, the strong-arm tactics needed to win the war against incipient Communism in Italy. Angleton’s later reported contacts with the Mob may well stem back to this period.

One of the groups most interested in defeating the communists in Italy was, not surprisingly, the Vatican. Angleton both gave and received intelligence to and from the Vatican. Among Angleton’s most famous agents in Italy was Mons Giovanni Montini. Montini would become famous in 1963 when he became Pope Paul VI.8 Angleton has been named as a source for funds which were used to defeat the Communists. In return, evidently, Angleton obtained access to the Ratlines the Vatican was using to move people out of Europe to safety abroad. Angleton and others from the State Department used the Ratlines to ferry Nazis to South America.9

The OPC crowd held enormous sway in the early days of the CIA, but that changed in the wake of the spectacular failure at the Bay of Pigs. Curiously, Richard Helms and Angleton both saw their careers rise by standing on the sidelines and keeping free of all dealings related to the Bay of Pigs.

Angleton made an interesting comment about the Bay of Pigs episode. He told the HSCA that before the Bay of Pigs, he had asked Bissell, "Do you have an escape hatch?" He asked Bissell most plainly, "In case the thing falls flat on its face is there someone who goes to Castro and says, ‘you have won the battle. What is your price?’" Angleton explained to the HSCA that he was trying to say, "have you planned for the failure as much as planned for the success?" The implication was that this was Angleton’s own modus operandi in such matters.10 We would do well to remember that statement in the context of the Kennedy assassination and cover-up.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Mr Grinch on November 21, 2013, 02:39:43 pm
© 1975 by L. Fletcher Prouty
Photographic Research by Richard E. Sprague
Reprinted with permission of the author

The shocking nature of what you are about to read in this article makes it imperative that you be aware of some of the credentials and experience of the author.

From 1955 to December 31, 1963, Col. L. Fletcher Prouty was the Focal Point (liason) officer between the Pentagon and the CIA. During 1962 and 1963 he was Director of Special Plans (clandestine operations) in the office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

In 1971 he was the president of the Financial Marketing Council, Washington, D.C.

He is the author of numerous articles and of The Secret Team, published by Prentice Hall (1973) and Ballantine Books (1974).

How was the Warren Commission kept
from investigating and seeing evidence?
This is the real issue.
This is a crime to top the crime.

As we prepare now to celebrate the beginning of the third century of the founding of this country, we wonder if we live in the land of the free. We wonder if at least we still have a government of the people and by the people. Certainly, it is no longer a government for the people. The sound throughout the land is ugly: there is frustration, hate, and fear. We must act while there may still be time.

There is a grave conspiracy over the land. The people have come alive because of Vietnam and Watergate; but they have scarcely scratched the surface. A President and a Vice-President have been forced to resign. A President has been shot to death. Two Presidential candidates have been shot, one of them killed. Many of the President's men have been forced to leave, some have gone to jail; others are still under indictment.

Yes, history has been made by a series of murders, but not enough has been done to solve them. The trial of Watergate was the trial of the cover-up. There has been no trial about the real crime of Watergate. There has been no trial of the big power behind Watergate. The Hunts, Liddys, McCords, and the Cubans were not drawn into that drama solely for their own interests. They were working for someone much higher up. They were all pawns, just like Nixon was. This is a game for the biggest stake of all—absolute control of the government of the United States of America; and, with control of this government, control of the world. And yet the real crime underlying all of this has not even been identified, stated, and charged. The real criminals still walk the streets, run their corporations, control their banks, and pull strings throughout their political and financial machines.

This control mechanism did not start in 1972 with Watergate. It began, in a tentative way, in the Korean War era, when the military and the executive branch found out how easy it was to fool the Congress and the American public. And with that recognition, power-hungry and money-mad industrialists began to usurp more and more power. And when those rifles crackled over Dealey Plaza, in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963 and John F. Kennedy's brain was splattered across the road, they had made their move into the big time. They took over control of the President and of the Presidency. The man they had killed was no longer a problem and they had made certain that his successor, Lyndon Johnson, heard and remembered the sound of those guns. It is the sound of those guns in Dallas, and their ever-present threat, which is the real mechanism of control over the American government.

It is possible now to reconstruct the scenario of that day, and, with new information, to show why the murder of JFK may properly be called the "Crime of the Century." If we the people of the United States do not demand its resolution this year, it will stand in the way of a free election in 1976. It will doom a third century of democratic government in this country.

Almost everyone who has taken the time to do any reading and thinking about that crime knows by now that John Kennedy was killed not by a lone assassin, but by a group of hired "mechanics." Let's look at some of the hard facts of this murder and put to rest once and for all the "cover-up" report of the Warren Commission.

The Warren Commission categorically stated that Lee Harvey Oswald was the killer of JFK and that he acted alone. The Warren Commission says that Oswald fired three shots, only three shots, from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building and that his lair was at a window, number one from the right (eastern-most on the south side) on that sixth floor.

NUMBER 1. The Texas School Book Depository Building. Arrow points to window from which Oswald supposedly shot Kennedy. (photo by Willis.)

If one breaks this contrived Warren Commission story, then the fundament of the "lone assassin" theory is undermined. Break this weak theory and you are confronted immediately with an awareness of the existence of a massive conspiracy. And we are equally convinced that this group hired at least four expert "mechanics" (assassins). This group wielded control over elements of the Dallas police, the Sheriff's office, the FBI, the Secret Service, and the CIA. This great cabal had control high enough in government, or at least in the councils of government, to be able to influence the travel plans of the President, the Vice-President and a Presidential candidate (Nixon), and all members of the Kennedy cabinet. They were powerful enough to have orders issued to the Army, and they were able to mount a massive campaign to control the media during and after the assassination. They were able to have Jack Ruby kill Oswald and to transfer jurisdiction of the murder from Texas and then to effectively control the outcome of the Warren Commission review.

Then as soon as JFK was dead, they began an even larger campaign to cover up that crime forever. Penn Jones, the tenacious editor of the Midlothian, Texas, Mirror, has devoted his life to "researching the hell" out of this conspiracy. He has a list of some eighty-five people who, because they knew too much or got too close, have died sudden and unnatural deaths since the JFK murder.

This great cabal had seen to it that Vice-President Lyndon Johnson was in the Kennedy procession, and they saw to it that he heard those hired guns, that he saw Kennedy die, and that he lived through that terrible nightmare of the trip back to Washington on Air Force One. From that day on, LBJ never again was that self-confident, swash-buckling, free-wheeling Texan. Before he died, LBJ told his old friend Tom Janos that he knew Oswald had not killed JFK alone.

The American public is now ready enough to have the cloak torn from the lies about the Kennedy murder and the cover-up; but the American public has not had the guts to face the fact of the massive conspiracy that arranged for that murder and which to this day perpetuates its cover-up.

Many of us have been convinced, as a result of careful and detailed study that the first of these glass barricades, the Warren Commission report, is a lie. And, we are equally convinced that the cover-up of the murder can be smashed and the conspiracy exposed. But if we don't act now, there will be consequences. These will begin with either the cancellation of elections in 1976 or with elections that will be a total sham. For who will dare run against the candidate of the conspiracy? Will it be Wallace with his wounds and from his wheelchair, or another Kennedy, or Ed Muskie, who was badly roughed up in 1972, or George McGovern, who was twice scheduled for assassination in 1972?

Who, unless he sells his soul to the cabal, can face those hired guns?

Today, our country is being run by a President and a Vice-President who have not been elected to office. This is merely a process to condition the American public.

Let's begin here by breaking apart the whole fabric of the lone-killer thesis. On November 28, 1963, less than one week after Kennedy's death, the Secret Service, the agency closest to the scene, reported that three shots were fired. The Secret Service said that the first hit the President, the second hit Governor John Connally of Texas, and the third struck the President. There were no other shots according to the Secret Service. The Secret Service was wrong!

Dealey Plaza Firing Paths Schematic by architect Robert Cutler
This schematic by Robert Cutler pinpoints the exact location of all elements—buildings, vehicles, and people—on Dealey Plaza at the time of the shooting of the President. [click on image for hi-res version]

On December 9, 1963, the FBI reported that three shots had been fired and that two hit the President and that one hit John Connally. The FBI says there were no other shots. The FBI was less specific than the Secret Service. The FBI was wrong.

Then, much later, on September 27, 1964 (ten months after the crime), the Warren Commission issued its report along with twenty-six huge volumes of random data. This report states that there were three shots. The Warren Commission was wrong.

According to the Warren Commission, the first shot, the "miracle bullet" designed and dreamed up by one of its lawyers (Arlen Specter), is one of the most fascinating contrivances of our generation. Forced to account for a series of unrelated events, Arlen Specter came up with a weird solution. He says the first bullet hit JFK, passed through the muscle of his upper back exited from his lower throat, traveled a few feet in the air, changed course, and entered Connally's back, plunged through his body, broke about five inches of one of his right rib bones, came out again, and then slammed into his right wrist, where it broke two more bones, exited again, and then pierced his thigh and ended its strange journey embedded in his thigh bone.

An interpretation of this thesis, based on photographic and medical evidence, means the bullet would have had to have made a right and upward turn upon leaving JFK's throat, paused in midair for more than two seconds, made a left and steep downward turn as it entered Connally's back, made a right and upward turn as it left Connally's chest, passed through Connally's wrist in the direction backward from the way his wrist was facing, made another left and downward turn, then wound up in Connally's left thigh.

Right here we see the brazen, "To Hell with the Public" character of the Commission report. Can you imagine some lawyer, even the persuasive and imaginative Specter, selling that bullet and its bumble-bee flight to any jury of intelligent Americans? The Commission was stuck with a "three bullet" crime because the Secret Service and the FBI had both reported three bullets, because there were only 6.8 seconds of shooting[1], as proven precisely by a film of the event made by Abraham Zapruder, and because the character who planted the shells at the "Oswald lair" had only put three there. Furthermore, if they were going to stick with the "lone assassin" solution, they were faced with the hard task of making it appear feasible that Oswald alone could have gotten off just three bullets in 6.8 seconds, let alone four, five, or six.

The Zapruder movie film, which shows the entire scene from beginning to end, became invaluable as a master clock of the whole affair. It established a foolproof chronology of the crime. It is not too difficult to determine precisely when (what frame of the movie film) the first shot was fired; and it is equally simple to determine exactly the elapsed time until the last shot was fired. So, unless the Commission could accept that there might have been other gunmen who fired during the same 6.8 seconds—and this the Commission categorically denied—it was going to have to show that Oswald could have fired three bullets from that sixth-floor window, and that he performed this feat in super-marksmanship time of 6.8 seconds.[2] It is significant to stress here that the supposed murder weapon was a cheap Italian Mannlicher-Carcano mail-order rifle, a single-shot, bolt-action antique.

Another complication crept into the Commission's connivance. One of the bystanders at Dealey Plaza that day was a man named James Tague. He was hit by a fragment of concrete knocked off the curb by a bullet that had hit a curbstone near where he stood. He reported his injury to a hospital.
NUMBER 2.* James Tague, on the far right, with cut on face after he was hit by a fragment of concrete that was knocked off the curb by errant bullet. (photo by Allen.)

So there was another man on record as having been hit during these same 6.8 seconds. This forced the Commission to accept that one bullet, the second by their count, missed both JFK and Connally. This complicated their task. Remember, neither the Secret Service nor the FBI has accounted for that "missed" bullet and there were only three shell cases and no clips at Oswald's window. They both had said that three shots were fired and that two hit JFK and one hit Connally. The FBI later found the nick in the curbstone, took a section of it back to their labs in Washington, analyzed it, and decided that a bullet had indeed hit the curb. ........ continued at length..

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Mr Grinch on November 21, 2013, 02:46:14 pm

CIA Document 1035-960
Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report

CIA Document #1035-960

RE: Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report

1. Our Concern. From the day of President Kennedy's assassination on, there has been speculation about the responsibility for his murder. Although this was stemmed for a time by the Warren Commission report, (which appeared at the end of September 1964), various writers have now had time to scan the Commission's published report and documents for new pretexts for questioning, and there has been a new wave of books and articles criticizing the Commission's findings. In most cases the critics have speculated as to the existence of some kind of conspiracy, and often they have implied that the Commission itself was involved. Presumably as a result of the increasing challenge to the Warren Commission's report, a public opinion poll recently indicated that 46% of the American public did not think that Oswald acted alone, while more than half of those polled thought that the Commission had left some questions unresolved. Doubtless polls abroad would show similar, or possibly more adverse results.

2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization. The members of the Warren Commission were naturally chosen for their integrity, experience and prominence. They represented both major parties, and they and their staff were deliberately drawn from all sections of the country. Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society. Moreover, there seems to be an increasing tendency to hint that President Johnson himself, as the one person who might be said to have benefited, was in some way responsible for the assassination.

Innuendo of such seriousness affects not only the individual concerned, but also the whole reputation of the American government. Our organization itself is directly involved: among other facts, we contributed information to the investigation. Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments.

3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the assassination question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active [business] addresses are requested:

    a. To discuss the publicity problem with [?] and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors), pointing out that the Warren Commission made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by Communist propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation.

    b. To employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (I) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories. In the course of discussions of the whole phenomenon of criticism, a useful strategy may be to single out Epstein's theory for attack, using the attached Fletcher [?] article and Spectator piece for background. (Although Mark Lane's book is much less convincing that Epstein's and comes off badly where confronted by knowledgeable critics, it is also much more difficult to answer as a whole, as one becomes lost in a morass of unrelated details.)

4. In private to media discussions not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful:

    a. No significant new evidence has emerged which the Commission did not consider. The assassination is sometimes compared (e.g., by Joachim Joesten and Bertrand Russell) with the Dreyfus case; however, unlike that case, the attack on the Warren Commission have produced no new evidence, no new culprits have been convincingly identified, and there is no agreement among the critics. (A better parallel, though an imperfect one, might be with the Reichstag fire of 1933, which some competent historians (Fritz Tobias, AJ.P. Taylor, D.C. Watt) now believe was set by Vander Lubbe on his own initiative, without acting for either Nazis or Communists; the Nazis tried to pin the blame on the Communists, but the latter have been more successful in convincing the world that the Nazis were to blame.)

    b. Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others. They tend to place more emphasis on the recollections of individual witnesses (which are less reliable and more divergent--and hence offer more hand-holds for criticism) and less on ballistics, autopsy, and photographic evidence. A close examination of the Commission's records will usually show that the conflicting eyewitness accounts are quoted out of context, or were discarded by the Commission for good and sufficient reason.

    c. Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States, esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc. Note that Robert Kennedy, Attorney General at the time and John F. Kennedy's brother, would be the last man to overlook or conceal any conspiracy. And as one reviewer pointed out, Congressman Gerald R. Ford would hardly have held his tongue for the sake of the Democratic administration, and Senator Russell would have had every political interest in exposing any misdeeds on the part of Chief Justice Warren. A conspirator moreover would hardly choose a location for a shooting where so much depended on conditions beyond his control: the route, the speed of the cars, the moving target, the risk that the assassin would be discovered. A group of wealthy conspirators could have arranged much more secure conditions.

    d. Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it; they also scoff at the Commission because it did not always answer every question with a flat decision one way or the other. Actually, the make-up of the Commission and its staff was an excellent safeguard against over-commitment to any one theory, or against the illicit transformation of probabilities into certainties.

    e. Oswald would not have been any sensible person's choice for a co-conspirator. He was a "loner," mixed up, of questionable reliability and an unknown quantity to any professional intelligence service.

    f. As to charges that the Commission's report was a rush job, it emerged three months after the deadline originally set. But to the degree that the Commission tried to speed up its reporting, this was largely due to the pressure of irresponsible speculation already appearing, in some cases coming from the same critics who, refusing to admit their errors, are now putting out new criticisms.

    g. Such vague accusations as that "more than ten people have died mysteriously" can always be explained in some natural way e.g.: the individuals concerned have for the most part died of natural causes; the Commission staff questioned 418 witnesses (the FBI interviewed far more people, conduction 25,000 interviews and re interviews), and in such a large group, a certain number of deaths are to be expected. (When Penn Jones, one of the originators of the "ten mysterious deaths" line, appeared on television, it emerged that two of the deaths on his list were from heart attacks, one from cancer, one was from a head-on collision on a bridge, and one occurred when a driver drifted into a bridge abutment.)

5. Where possible, counter speculation by encouraging reference to the Commission's Report itself. Open-minded foreign readers should still be impressed by the care, thoroughness, objectivity and speed with which the Commission worked. Reviewers of other books might be encouraged to add to their account the idea that, checking back with the report itself, they found it far superior to the work of its critics.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Tokiem on November 21, 2013, 07:03:22 pm

IF, Oswald was the lone gun man firing from the Book Depository building, then why didn't Oswald take the shots when Kennedy's car was coming towards Oswald???  The easier shot for Oswald would have been while Kennedy's car is coming towards Oswald and closing on Oswald's alleged firing location.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Letsbereal on November 22, 2013, 02:29:09 am
Vietnam and the Legacy of the JFK Presidency - Peter Kuznick on Reality Asserts Itself Pt.1

21 November 2013, TheRealNews

On this episode of Reality Asserts Itself, Paul Jay and historian Peter Kuznick discuss whether or not JFK intended to withdraw from Vietnam before his assassination
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Optimus on November 22, 2013, 10:59:07 am
Today is Friday, November 22, 2013

JFK assassination
50th anniversary
                    On this 50th anniversary of John F. Kennedy's assassination, Alex broadcasts live from the scene of the crime in Dallas as the corporate media converges on Dealey Plaza and puts the establishment’s spin on today's momentous event. Alex and the Infowars team defy the wishes of Dallas officialdom that had earlier attempted to suspend the First Amendment by outlawing citizens from engaging in the time-honored American tradition of pamphleteering and displaying banners with political messages. Earlier this week, authorities relented under threat of lawsuits by groups such as COPA and now begrudgingly allows limited First Amendment rights in designated areas.

Infowars Nightly News host David Knight rides shotgun with Alex from the command center in Austin, Texas. Check out the live feed at

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Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 22, 2013, 11:15:46 am
Everywhere in Texas Jackie got Yellow Roses - but in Dallas she was given Red Roses by the Mayors Wife ,,,,
For 50 years, ex-Dallas police chief’s daughter has kept a pair of Jacqueline Kennedy’s roses
Published: 25 August 2013 10:52 PM


Fifty years later, Cathey Mandrell-Tresp still has the two roses.

The flowers were given to Jacqueline Kennedy just hours before her husband, President John F. Kennedy, was killed in Dallas on one of the most infamous days in history.

The red buds, now pressed in a book, stir up memories of Tresp’s dad, Jesse Curry, who was Dallas police chief at the time of the JFK assassination. He brought home the flowers for his 9-year-old daughter at the end of that fateful day.

Red roses

On the morning of the assassination, Elizabeth Cabell, the wife of Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell, presented Jacqueline Kennedy with the red roses when the president’s entourage arrived at Dallas Love Field. It was a change from the yellow roses that Jackie had been given everywhere else in the state. The difference lingered in her memory.

Every time we got off the plane that day, three times they gave me the yellow roses of Texas,” she said one week after the assassination, according to notes taken by journalist Theodore White. It was the same conversation where she made “Camelot” synonymous with her husband’s time in office.

But in Dallas they gave me red roses,” the first lady said. “I thought how funny, red roses — so all the seat was full of blood and red roses.”

Nellie Connally, the wife of Gov. John Connally, carried the yellow spray instead. The Connallys were in the motorcade when the shots rang out in Dealey Plaza, and John Connally was wounded. Like the first lady, Nellie Connally said she was haunted by the memory of the roses in the car seat.

Earle Cabell (October 27, 1906 – September 24, 1975), was a Texas politician who served as mayor of Dallas, Texas. Cabell was mayor at the time of the assassination of John F. Kennedy and was later a member of the U.S. House of Representatives. He was son of Dallas mayor Ben E. Cabell and grandson of Dallas mayor William L. Cabell.

He was the brother of Charles Cabell, who was Deputy Director of Central Intelligence until he resigned in the wake of the Bay of Pigs invasion. Many researchers believe that Cabell had President John F. Kennedy's motorcade rerouted at the last minute. Debunkers claim to have disproved this claim by demonstrating that the change had not been made at the last minute

Jesse Edward Curry (October 3, 1913 – June 22, 1980) was chief of the Dallas Police Department at the time John F. Kennedy was assassinated while traveling through a motorcade in downtown Dallas, and his assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, was gunned down by Jack Ruby while Oswald was in police custody.

The assassination of John F. Kennedy[edit]

As Curry was to recount in his testimony with the Warren Commission and with the LBJ Presidential Library, he drove the lead car in the motorcade and provided security for the new president, Lyndon B. Johnson, at Parkland Memorial Hospital where President Kennedy died, and aboard Air Force One when he was sworn in as president.

A number of Curry's statements have been found significant by conspiracy theorists who believe they contradict the Commission's conclusion that Oswald was the lone assassin positioned above and behind Kennedy's limousine on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. In 1969, the Dallas Morning News quoted him as stating:

"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand
Fact #8:

 Dallas Sheriff Bill Decker, who rode in the lead car in front of JFK's limousine in Dallas, ordered his men not to participate in the security of the motorcade, according to Dallas Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig. Surprisingly, as this author discovered, Decker had offered his "full support" to the agent in charge of the Dallas office, Forrest V. Sorrels (a fellow passenger in the lead car), a mere day before the assassination. In addition, the car that Decker, Sorrels, Lawson, and Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry were riding in was a CLOSED SEDAN, not a convertible, which was a most ineffective choice for monitoring windows and other security concerns.
You will be riveted by this video, not even three minutes long, showing JFK’s Secret Service protection being waved away from his car, and the perplexed reaction of at least one Special Agent.
"Another photo taken by Jim Altgens, a few seconds after the fatal shot struck President Kennedy. Secret Service agent Clint Hill has jumped onto the back bumper of the limousine to aid Jacqueline Kennedy.
The motorcade's "lead car", with Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry driving, can be seen just ahead of the limo on Elm Street, brakes applied."

JFK - white car mystery -  Zapruder film shows car in front of limo  

Posted 13 October 2005 - 03:25 AM

 I mentioned this awhile back, but thought I'd put it in it's own thread. I haven't seen anything ever discussed regarding the white car in front of the JFK limo in the Zapruder film. In all the film and photos I've seen from that day, I've never seen any vehicle in front of the JFK limo. That is, JFK's limo is always the front car of the motorcade in all the footage as it goes through Dallas.

The first frame below shows the JFK limo as the lead car, with no other vehicle in front of it. This is seen through all the footage until after the head shot, as the JFK limo heads towards the underpass. The 2nd and 3rd frames show the limo "speeding" off after JFK has been shot, heading into the underpass, with this suddenly appearing white car.

Posted 13 October 2005 - 07:27 PM

 The white car was a rented convertable with a Dalles police driver, Chief Currie of the Dallas Police and 2 Secret Service officers.  It was in fact the second lead car in the caravan.  This first lead car was about 1/4th of a mile ahead and looking for any protencial demostrators who might try to swarm the presidential limo.  

The second lead car was to stay about 100 to 150 feet ahead of the limo as not to distract from the Presidential car.  The purpose of the white car was (as it unfortunaly had to be used)  to guide the Presidents  limo to a hospital.  Remember the limo driver was from out of town and not familier with the route, and the routes to the hospitals around town.   So what you are seeing is the guide car for the caravan.  By the way, if you look at photos/film earlier in downtown Dalles, you see the white car holding its distance a bit in forword of the caravan.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: EvadingGrid on November 22, 2013, 11:29:21 am
Would I be right that the Rose is used as a symbol for secret societies, dating back from antiquity ?
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 22, 2013, 11:34:50 am
Would I be right that the Rose is used as a symbol for secret societies, dating back from antiquity ?
In Christian art, the white rose is a symbol of purity, the gold or yellow rose a symbol of impossible perfection and papal benediction, and
the red rose a symbol for martyrdom
Medieval Christians identified the five petals of the rose with the five wounds of Christ. Roses also later came to be associated with the Virgin Mary.

The red rose was eventually adopted as a symbol of the blood of the Christian martyrs.
Rose Cross (Rosy Cross, Rosencreutz)

The Rose Cross originated as a Christian symbol in the first century, as a symbol of the blood of Christ, and a mystery of sacrifice.

The earliest rose crosses were a variation of the Christian ankh or crux ansata, and are associated with the Coptic (Egyptian) church, and related Gnostic sects.  The rose and cross was later adopted and popularized as the primary emblem of the Rosicrucians, an apocryphal secret society that originated during the Renaissance.
The name “rosary” means “garland of roses,” and early Rose Cross imagery mimicked the shape of the rosary

I still get emotional about the JFK assassination 50 years later
JFK knew how to handle a crisis. We should take inspiration and take back our country from the people who've wrecked it
Jesse Ventura, Friday 22 November 2013 08.45 EST
So I hope that young people can forgive me for still getting emotional about the JFK assassination 50 years later. We haven't even had full disclosure, let alone closure.

What we have had is unbelievable amounts of lies and obfuscation, something that affects every single American citizen. I have written about and refuted the incredible government lies, lies that are supported throughout Tom Hank's movie Parkland. If you read what those doctors at Parkland Hospital actually said and believed, you'll understand how our government lied to us and is still lying to cover up that crime.

22 November marks a crucial moment in American history. Americans have always had the resources to put our country back on track, now we need the resolve.

Let's give the 1% the big wake-up call that they truly deserve.

There's a time for observing history and there's a time for making it. We can take back our country. And if we don't do it, nobody else will.
They Killed Our President: 63 Reasons to Believe There Was a Conspiracy to Assassinate JFK [Hardcover]
Jesse Ventura
 (Author), Dick Russell (Contributor), David Wayne (Contributor)

Ventura: LBJ Had The Most To Gain From JFK Assassination
October 21, 2013
“There were two conspiracies that took place that fateful day. There was the actual conspiracy to murder the president, and then there was the second conspiracy to cover it up,” Ventura said. “Whenever you look at a murder, you have to look at who had the most to gain, who had the biggest motive. And it comes back to Lyndon Johnson.”
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 22, 2013, 02:54:26 pm
Alex - was - Live in Dallas  was attacked by "sheriff's"

PrisonPlanet Forum > Live Alex Jones Show Forum > Live Show Forum 11AM - 2PM Weekdays & 4PM - 6PM Sunday CST

Standing Up To Evil Dallas...and The USA!  (;topicseen#msg1451562)

Went off to some:

 Off the Air (;topicseen#msg1451561)


Well, according to a Pew study, a majority of those evangelicals are now siding with the Romans. Fully 62% of white evangelical Christians think it's OK to torture suspected terrorists. Not known terrorists, but suspected terrorists. Like Jesus.
Deja Vu: Throw Christians to the Legal Lions

For 300 years, the fledgling Christian sect was viciously and horrifically persecuted and tortured by the Roman state until public sentiment turned in sympathy to the injustice perpetrated against them, and the honourable ways they were meeting death in public spectacles.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: egypt on November 22, 2013, 05:10:08 pm
JFK's World 50 Years Ago

 1.  JFK felt that physical fitness and nutrition were important and should be promoted in schools.  Sports programs and physical fitness programs were implemented in all American schools.  "Physical Education" was a focus in our schools.  Many times, other classes were held outside, in the sunshine, sitting in the grass.  At that time, no one could beat American atheletes in the Olympics and world-class competitions.

 2. American inventions, science and schools were the very best in the world.  People from all over the world did everything they could to attend American schools.

 3. When it came to rearing the kids, most women stayed at home.  Husbands made plenty of money to allow for this.  There was no such thing as a "child care" or pre-school.  Kids walked to and from school in safety and security, and at least one parent was always home.

 4.  Parks and streets were beautiful, tree-lined, cared for.   No one ever saw graffitti.   Children could walk to a park, play in safety and walk back home.  Kids played outside in the neighborhood together.

 5.  There were no such thing as homeless people living on the street.  Ronald Reagan led the way in this phenomena by closing the mental institutions in California (to balance the budget?).

 6.  Public restrooms were everywhere, spotless and smelled good.  Public water fountains were everywhere, clear clean water to drink and people weren't afraid of getting diseases from them.

 7.  Payphones were abundant, as well as mailboxes.  All were kept in good working order and appearance.

 8.  People were treated respectfully by our public-servant Peace Officers, now renamed Policemen.  Militarization of police and military on the streets for any reason was unheard of and would not have been tolerated, for any reason.

 9.  The Pledge of Allegiance was recited first thing every morning by the entire school.

10.  No one cared what religion or color anyone else was.

11.  People talked and laughed with each other, complete strangers wherever they went.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 22, 2013, 08:18:12 pm
This is what gets me angry: Trot out a Warren Commission stooge to defend the discredited report....
Nov. 22, 1963: 50 years, and still no conspiracy
Op-Ed - The promotion of false theories about JFK's assassination is not harmless.
October 27, 2013|By Richard M. Mosk

I hope on this 50th anniversary, the public will be skeptical of new criticisms of the commission and be more doubtful of the new conspiracy theories than of the Warren Commission.

Richard M. Mosk, a justice on the California Court of Appeal, was a member of the staff of the Warren Commission.
Richard M. Mosk (born May 18, 1939 in Los Angeles, California[1]) is an associate justice of the California Courts of Appeal, Second District.

Richard M. Mosk was born in Los Angeles, California, and is the son of Stanley Mosk, a former California Attorney General and state Supreme Court Justice.

He graduated from Stanford University, with great distinction and Harvard Law School, cum laude.[2] While at Stanford, he earned three athletic letters. After military service, he was a member of the staff of the Warren Commission (President's Commission on the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy) and a clerk to California Supreme Court Justice Mathew Tobriner
Warren Commission: Francis Adams, Joseph Ball, David Belin, Hale Boggs, William Coleman, John Sherman Cooper, Allen Dulles, Melvin Eisenberg, Gerald Ford, Alfred Goldberg, Burt Griffin, Leon Hubert, Albert Jenner, Wesley Liebeler, John McCloy, Richard Mosk, J. Lee Rankin, Norman Redlich, Richard Russell, David Slawson, Arlen Specter, Samuel Stern, Earl Warren.
CIA suppressed Kennedy facts, 'but there was no conspiracy'

Judge who served on commission speaks out on assassination anniversary amid renewed claims by conspiracy theorists
Rory Carroll in Los Angeles, Friday 22 November 2013 14.30 EST   

The CIA and FBI withheld [ and lied about]  information about Cuba and Lee Harvey Oswald from the Warren commission into John Kennedy's assassination, one of the commission's surviving staff members has acknowledged.

Nevertheless the inquiry did establish the truth, said Richard Mosk, a California court of appeal justice who served on the commission. He said the agencies' lack of full disclosure was unfortunate but did not alter the fact that Oswald acted alone. "It was an easy shot."
Title: Lee Harvey Oswald's Call Did Not Go Through
Post by: Freebird100 on November 23, 2013, 10:32:37 am

The 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination has shaken the conspiracy tree and sent the media into a retrospective feeding frenzy. In this cacophony the truth fades even further. Any new opinion about the events in Dallas November 22, 1963 is bestowed with instant credibility, perhaps fueled by the reality that 68% of Americans believe Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone as the Warren Commission concluded in 1964. Conspiracy theories abound, yet consensus on what actually happened remains elusive.

But there is one intriguing morsel mostly ignored by conspiracy theorists and Warren Commission defenders alike: the Raleigh Call.

Go back to the Friday Lee Oswald was taken into custody. It is generally agreed that he left the Texas School Book Depository after the shooting that murdered JFK (although some assassination buffs say Oswald was not in the building) and returned to his room at a nearby boarding house, donned a windbreaker and retrieved a pistol. He walked down the street and was approached by a police cruiser driven by Dallas officer J.D. Tippit.

Witnesses saw Tippit talk to Oswald through the open passenger side front window, then open the driver's door and step out.  Oswald shot Tippit three times as he rounded to the front of the cruiser, followed by a coup de grace shot while Tippit lay on the pavement.  Oswald hurried down the street into the Texas Theatre. A few minutes later, Dallas police officers entered the building and turned on the house lights. Oswald stood up and pulled the trigger of his pistol but it either misfired or police officers struggling with Oswald prevented the shot. Subdued after the fight with "four or five officers", according to witnesses, Oswald said: "Well, it's all over now." Later, Oswald said, "I'm a patsy."

Oswald was arrested and charged for the murder of Officer Tippit at 7:10 PM, and later for the assassination of JFK. He never admitted involvement in the shootings from the Book Depository, highly unusual for political assassins who uniformly denounce their victim's policies or actions.  Alas, according to the Warren Commission report:

    "he (Captain Fritz of the Dallas police) kept no notes and there were no stenographic or tape recordings. Representatives of other law enforcement agencies were also present, including the FBI and the U.S. Secret Service."

The next day, Oswald was visited by his mother and made phone calls to the Ruth Paine residence in Fort Worth where his wife and children were staying. Later that evening, two switchboard operators at the Dallas jail (one on duty, the other her replacement) were approached by "a government man", as they described him, who informed them that Oswald would be placing a long-distance telephone call. They were instructed to let him know when the call was requested while he waited in the adjoining equipment room.

At approximately 10 PM, Dallas time, the switchboard lit up and both operators dove to plug in and be part of history. The operator who plugged in first wrote down the number Oswald was attempting to call on a pre-printed pad.

She did as instructed by walking over to the equipment room and informing the "government man" Oswald was making a call by showing him the slip of paper. She did as he asked and told Oswald his call did not go through. Luckily, the operator kept the slip of paper.
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The Raleigh Call, or Non-Raleigh Call, as the case may be, remained obscured except for a Freedom of Information request in 1970 that was never pursued. Then, in 1979, the House Assassinations Committee subcommittee on JFK came across the incident. The Committee was established in the wake of the 1976 Senate Intelligence Committee probing CIA operatives involved in the Watergate burglary.  In a startling revelation, Senators heard from CIA Director William Colby that the Agency employed Mafia members in an attempt to kill Fidel Castro This information was withheld from the Warren Commission (although former director Allen Dulles served on the panel). The Congress was concerned the Commission did not consider that Fidel Castro had a motive to orchestrate revenge against JFK. In response, the House Assassinations Committee was established with three subcommittees to probe the JFK, RFK and MLK shootings.

So what does the Raleigh Call add to the JFK assassination puzzle? Contacting John D. Hurt in 1980, who resided at the address of the call, elicited denials that he knew Oswald or anyone in the intelligence community However, he did serve in counterintelligence during World War 2.  After several other calls to assassination experts and theorists, I called Robert Blakey, chief counsel for the JFK House Assassinations Subcommittee, who said, "The call apparently is real and it goes out; it does not come in. That's the sum and substance of it. It was an outgoing call, and therefore I consider it very troublesome material. The direction in which it went was deeply disturbing."

Now that it was established the attempted call was real, and not an incoming crank call, I contacted former CIA officer Victor Marchetti, author of the 1974 CIA and the Cult of Intelligence.  Marchetti was embroiled in a titanic battle against the CIA for censoring his book before publication, with the ACLU representing his rights and interests. The CIA redacted 339 passages of varying length, reduced to 200 items by ACLU legal pleadings when the book finally came out.

Marchetti cites in his author's Introduction why talking to him about the Raleigh Call adds a frisson to the story:

    "They (CIA) have secured an unwarranted and outrageous permanent injunction against me, requiring anything I write or say, 'factual, fictional or otherwise', on the subject of intelligence must first be censored by the CIA....Under risk of criminal contempt of court."

Whether or not Marchetti is an early model Edward Snowden who deserves to be muzzled does not take away from the impact of his comments,  just his morality.

Marchetti said Oswald's attempt to contact John D. Hurt in Raleigh NC was a set-up, that Hurt was a "fake cut-out."  He said Oswald, a Marine, was probably trained for intelligence work by the Office of Naval Intelligence, and was a participant in a "black op" to kill JFK that he thought was legitimate and official.  Oswald would know through tradecraft that he would be assigned a "cut-out," spy jargon for a middle man to call if you are caught in an operation. The idea is that you don't call home (the CIA for example) if you are in trouble and implicate the agency. The Raleigh Call could have been pre-arranged to establish a "cut-out" Oswald would believe credible, created by the conspirators organized to assassinate JFK to make Oswald the "patsy" and  take the fall.

During the interviews for the Raleigh Call, the office phones were tapped. The private detective I called in to investigate trouble on the line -- and a mysterious call every morning at exactly the same time, followed by a clicking noise and a hang up -- discovered we were being taped by Bell South Central Office that required a federal warrant. The clicking noise was causes by a tape recorder turning on.

A lawyer friend approached me in 2006 and told me he was the attorney for Mrs. John Hurt, the wife of the John D. Hurt Oswald allegedly attempted to call -- perhaps thinking he was his cut-out. The attorney said Mrs. Hurt told him she spoke with Oswald in 1963, but he refuses to break client confidentiality and go on record. This information is potentially historically important. But, if Oswald's call did not go through, how did Mrs. Hurt talk to him on the phone? The answer could be Oswald called John Hurt before the assassination to verify his identity and contact information as a normal precaution.

The morning after Oswald attempted the Raleigh Call, he was shot in front dozens of people and a national television audience while being transferred from the Dallas police headquarters to the Dallas County Jail.

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Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: pac522 on November 23, 2013, 11:15:53 am
There were many forces at work that day, all of them against the country and in their own interests.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Jackson Holly on November 23, 2013, 01:22:34 pm


LIBERTY ~ IN GOD WE TRUST ~ 1  9  6  3

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Letsbereal on November 23, 2013, 05:12:50 pm
Vietnam and the Legacy of the JFK Presidency - Peter Kuznick on Reality Asserts Itself Pt.1

21 November 2013, TheRealNews

On this episode of Reality Asserts Itself, Paul Jay and historian Peter Kuznick discuss whether or not JFK intended to withdraw from Vietnam before his assassination

Vietnam and the Legacy of the JFK Presidency - Peter Kuznick on Reality Asserts Itself pt2

23 November 2013, TheRealNews

On this episode of Reality Asserts Itself, Paul Jay challenges historian Peter Kuznick on JFK's legacy in regards to the Vietnam War
Title: JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo
Post by: Letsbereal on November 24, 2013, 07:03:51 am
JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo - 50th anniversary
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo
Post by: EvadingGrid on November 24, 2013, 07:35:40 am
JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo - 50th anniversary

nice job

gives a bigger picture
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 24, 2013, 08:45:12 am
JFK - Will Clint Hill ever tell full truth? (

He was the secret service agent who was closest to the President, but who didn't do his job on the fateful day. Why? Some think the agents were told to stand down, and shortly thereafter JFK was shot!

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 24, 2013, 09:01:42 am
The Video that proves a conspiracy to kill JFK: (Refers to Clint Hill and shows his inconsistencies in his story and an absolutely stupid comment about why the agent pulled away from the car.)

During an October 2013 C-Span interview (28:50), Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent seen on the left hand side of JFK’s car (and the one who subsequently ran after the car and reached out to Jackie Kennedy), claimed that Donald Lawton was actually just going off-duty to eat his lunch, and that he told the other agents, “OK you guys, I am going to lunch, have a good trip.”

This explanation hardly seems plausible given the nature of the situation in addition to Lawton’s body language. He clearly shrugs his shoulders and outstretches his arms three times as if baffled at something and asking for answers.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 24, 2013, 09:22:43 am
(See time 28:50 & Clint's absurd statement 30:37) JFK's Secret Service Agents Break Their Silence: Interview - John F. Kennedy Assassination (2010) (What a lame comment! Does anyone with a brain buy this lame comment from Hill? Absurd!) (


Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 24, 2013, 10:23:48 am
LINK CORRECTION: JFK Murder - Will Clint Hill ever tell full truth?

He was the secret service agent who was closest to the President, but who didn't do his job on the fateful day. Why? Some think the agents were told to stand down, and shortly thereafter JFK was shot!
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 24, 2013, 11:31:38 am
JFK: A Conspiracy Theory (Corbett Report):

This is very good!

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 24, 2013, 11:32:49 am
An American Dream  - He died for Me - I Live for Him
"Camelot" w/ Richard Burton - Gene scientists at the University College of London (UCL) have claimed that the Welsh are the "true" Britons and are remnants of the Celts that were pushed out by Anglo-Saxon invaders after the Roman withdrawal in the fifth century

Each evening, from December to December,  Before you drift to sleep upon your cot,
 Think back on all the tales that you remember
 Of Camelot.
 Ask ev'ry person if he's heard the story,
 And tell it strong and clear if he has not,
That once there was a fleeting wisp of glory  Called Camelot .
 Camelot! Camelot!
 Now say it out with pride and joy!

Don't let it be forgot

That once there was a spot

For brief shining moment that was known
  As Camelot.

JFK Inauguration

John F. Kennedy

Inaugural Address Friday, January 20, 1961
Vice President Johnson, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Chief Justice, President Eisenhower, Vice President Nixon, President Truman, reverend clergy, fellow citizens, we observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom—symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning—signifying renewal, as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago.    1

  The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God. 2

  We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. 3

  Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. 4

  This much we pledge—and more. 5

  To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do—for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder. 6

  To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom—and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside. 7

  To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required—not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. 8

  To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge—to convert our good words into good deeds—in a new alliance for progress—to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty. But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers. Let all our neighbors know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this Hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house. 9

  To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope in an age where the instruments of war have far outpaced the instruments of peace, we renew our pledge of support—to prevent it from becoming merely a forum for invective—to strengthen its shield of the new and the weak—and to enlarge the area in which its writ may run. 10

  Finally, to those nations who would make themselves our adversary, we offer not a pledge but a request: that both sides begin anew the quest for peace, before the dark powers of destruction unleashed by science engulf all humanity in planned or accidental self-destruction. 11

  We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed. 12
  But neither can two great and powerful groups of nations take comfort from our present course—both sides overburdened by the cost of modern weapons, both rightly alarmed by the steady spread of the deadly atom, yet both racing to alter that uncertain balance of terror that stays the hand of mankind's final war. 13
  So let us begin anew—remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate. 14

  Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belaboring those problems which divide us. 15

  Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms—and bring the absolute power to destroy other nations under the absolute control of all nations. 16

  Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce. 17

  Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah—to "undo the heavy burdens ... and to let the oppressed go free." 18

  And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved. 19

  All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin. 20

  In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than in mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe. 21

  Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself. 22

  Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort? 23

 In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility—I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it—and the glow from that fire can truly light the world. 24

  And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. 25

  My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. 26

  Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.
John F. Kennedy Moon Speech (1962)
We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

Clark Gable B-17 Gunner in England after the death of Carol Lombard
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 25, 2013, 01:16:59 pm
LBJ Admits Murder of Diem

In the early part of the Vietnam War Ngo Dinh Diem was "our man in Saigon" but by late '62 he was viewed as ineffective by many in the U.S. and a liability by the White House, more or less the way Maliki is now. Diem's fate has important health implications for Maliki. The White House had him murdered.

It is a rare thing to actually hear a U.S. President actually admit to participation in murder, but that is eactly what President Lyndon Johnson does in a very frank 1966 discussion with Eugene Carthy:
Ngô Đình Diệm (About this sound listen; 3 January 1901 – 2 November 1963) was the first president of South Vietnam (1955–1963).[1] In the wake of the French withdrawal from Indochina as a result of the 1954 Geneva Accords, Diệm led the effort to create the Republic of Vietnam. Accruing considerable US support due to his staunch anti-communism, he achieved victory in a 1955 plebiscite.[2]

As the Buddhist crisis deepened in July 1963, noncommunist Vietnamese nationalists and the military began preparations for a coup. Bùi Diễm, later South Vietnam's Ambassador to the United States, reported in his memoirs that General Lê Văn Kim requested his aid in learning what the U.S. might do about Diệm's government.[59] Diễm had contacts in both the embassy and with the high-profile American journalists then in South Vietnam, David Halberstam (New York Times), Neil Sheehan (United Press International) and Malcolm Browne (Associated Press).[60] On 20 August 1963, Nhu's security forces raided the Xá Lợi Pagoda in Saigon. They chose to wear Army uniforms during the raid to make it appear as if the Army were behind the crackdown. Nhu's forces arrested more than 400 monks who had been sitting cross-legged in front of a statue of the Buddha. Thousands of other Buddhists were arrested throughout the country.[citation needed]

Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr., the American ambassador to South Vietnam, refused to meet with Diệm. Upon hearing that a coup d'état was being designed by ARVN generals led by General Dương Văn Minh, and supported by the CIA, Lodge gave secret assurances to the generals that the U.S. would not interfere. Lucien Conein, a CIA operative, had become a liaison between the U.S. Embassy and the generals, who were led by Trần Văn Đôn.[61] Conein provided a group of South Vietnamese generals with US $42,000 to carry out the coup with the promise that U.S. forces would make no attempt to protect Diệm.[62]

The orders that ended in the deaths of Diệm and his brother originated with W. Averell Harriman and were carried out by Henry Cabot Lodge's own military assistant.

JFK and the Diem Coup
by John Prados
Posted - November 5, 2003


Washington D.C., November 5, 2003 - A White House tape of President Kennedy and his advisers, published this week in a new book-and-CD collection and excerpted on the Web, confirms that top U.S. officials sought the November 1, 1963 coup against then-South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem without apparently considering the physical consequences for Diem personally (he was murdered the following day). The taped meeting and related documents show that U.S. officials, including JFK, vastly overestimated their ability to control the South Vietnamese generals who ran the coup 40 years ago this week.

The Kennedy tape from October 29, 1963 captures the highest-level White House meeting immediately prior to the coup, including the President's brother voicing doubts about the policy of support for a coup: "I mean, it's different from a coup in the Iraq or South American country; we are so intimately involved in this…." National Security Archive senior fellow John Prados provides a full transcript of the meeting, together with the audio on CD, in his new book-and-CD publication, The White House Tapes: Eavesdropping on the President (New York: The New Press, 2003, 331 pp. + 8 CDs, ISBN 1-56584-852-7), just published this week and featuring audio files from 8 presidents, from Roosevelt to Reagan.
A second charge has to do with Kennedy administration denials that it had had anything to do with the coup itself. The documentary record is replete with evidence that President Kennedy and his advisers, both individually and collectively, had a considerable role in the coup overall, by giving initial support to Saigon military officers uncertain what the U.S. response might be, by withdrawing U.S. aid from Diem himself, and by publicly pressuring the Saigon government in a way that made clear to South Vietnamese that Diem was isolated from his American ally.

In addition, at several of his meetings (Documents 7, 19, 22) Kennedy had CIA briefings and led discussions based on the estimated balance between pro- and anti-coup forces in Saigon that leave no doubt the United States had a detailed interest in the outcome of a coup against Ngo Dinh Diem. The CIA also provided $42,000 in immediate support money to the plotters the morning of the coup, carried by Lucien Conein, an act prefigured in administration planning Document 17).

The ultimate effect of United States participation in the overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem was to commit Washington to Saigon even more deeply. Having had a hand in the coup America had more responsibility for the South Vietnamese governments that followed Diem. That these military juntas were ineffectual in prosecuting the Vietnam war then required successively greater levels of involvement from the American side. The weakness of the Saigon government thus became a factor in U.S. escalations of the Vietnam war, leading to the major ground war that the administration of Lyndon B. Johnson opened in 1965.

President Kennedy Meets with His National Security Council on the Question of Supporting a Coup in South Vietnam (10 minutes 55 seconds) From John Prados, ed.
The White House Tapes: Eavesdropping on the President (New York: The New Press, 2003, 331 pp. + 8 CDs, ISBN 1-56584-852-7)
 (See Document 19 below for the official NSC staff record of this meeting)
 [NOTE: This audio clip is a Windows Media Audio file (.wma) and should be opened using Windows Media Player]
Vietnam, Diem, the Buddhist Crisis

In the spring of 1963, South Vietnamese forces suppressed Buddhist religious leaders and followers, which led to a political crisis for the government of President Ngo Dinh Diem.

The suppression of Buddhists in South Vietnam became known as the "Buddhist crisis." President Ngo Dinh Diem did little to ease the tensions, though he later promised reforms. Many people suspected that his brother and closest advisor, Ngo Dinh Nhu, was the actual decision maker in the Saigon government and the person behind the Buddhist suppression.

The Buddhist demonstrations continued throughout spring and summer and culiminated in June when a Buddhist monk publicly lit himself on fire. The photograph of the event made news around the world.
In August and October 1963, President Kennedy and his advisors had met several times to discuss the potential consequences of a coup in Vietnam and how the United States should react. Excerpts of the tapes and documents related to this crisis can be found in the header of this webpage. The image in the header shows Henry Cabot Lodge, the newly appointed Ambassador to South Vietnam, in a meeting with President Kennedy on August 15, 1963.

The tapes reveal President Kennedy's reservations about U.S. support for a military coup in South Vietnam. They document meetings the president held with State Department, White House, military, and intelligence advisors during the week after Cable 243 (pdf) was sent. Cable 243, which set a course for the eventual coup in Vietnam on November 1, 1963, has been described by one historian as the "single most controversial cable of the Vietnam War."
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 25, 2013, 03:56:18 pm,_Jr.
John Garrett Underhill, Jr., a.k.a. Garrett Underhill and Gary Underhill (August 7, 1915 – May 8, 1964) was Captain General Staff G2 World War II and received the Army Commendation Medal for meritorious service. He was a Harvard graduate, linguist, and self-taught military affairs expert.

For five years he was a military correspondent for Life magazine and helped to make their Foreign News Department one of the most knowledgeable centers of military intelligence in the world. Near the end of his life Underhill became surrounded in controversy surrounding facts related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Underhill told his friend, Charlene Fitsimmons, that he was convinced that Kennedy had been killed by "a small clique in the CIA." He knew the people involved and what they knew. He also said: "Oswald is a patsy. They set him up. It's too much. The bastards have done something outrageous. They've killed the President! I've been listening and hearing things. I couldn't believe they'd get away with it, but they did!"

Jim Garrison, District Attorney from Louisiana conducted an investigation into the assassination of Kennedy. Among the witnesses he sought out was John Garrett Underhill, Jr. In an interview that Garrison gave for Playboy magazine, he referred to a CIA agent with valuable information pertaining to his investigation. The name of Gary Underhill was used interchangeably in sources with John Garrett Underhill. A Memorandum from the CIA to the Justice Department in 1967 referred to the interview and John Garrett Underhill, Jr. in some detail:

15. Who is the J. Garrett UNDERHILL referred to in Garrison's Playboy interview as a former CIA agent?
 UNDERHILL was born 7 August 1915 in Brooklyn, was graduated from Harvard in 1937, and committed suicide on 8 May 1964. He served with the Military Intelligence Service from 6 July 1943 to May 1946 as an expert in photography, enemy weapons, and related technical specialities. He was in infrequent contact with the New York office of the Domestic Contact Service, of CIA from late 1949 to the mid-'50s. The contact was routine. Mr. UNDERHILL was not an employee of CIA.[15]

CIA agent Gary Underhill, again, a name used interchangeably with John Garrett Underhill, Jr., was said to have a connection with Harold Isaacs who in turn knew Oswald's cousin Marilyn Murret.[16]

Prior to Garrison being able to meet and interview Underhill, he was found in bed with a bullet wound behind his left ear on May 8, 1964.[11]

Sources differ on whether the cause of his death was suicide[11] or if people or groups had motivations to see him removed before had secret information that he threatened to divulage. His Death Certificate from the District of Columbia Department of Public Health listed the cause of death as "shot self in head with automatic pistol.

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“The Covert War Against Rock” (Feral House, 2000)
In January, 1968, Ramparts magazine reported on the death of Gerrett Underhill, a staffer at the Army's Military Intelligence Service and advisor to the Agency:
"Immediately after the [John Kennedy] assassination, a distraught Underhill told friends that a semi-autonomous CIA clique which had been profiting in narcotics and gun-running was implicated." A few months later, "Underhill was found dead of a bullet wound in the head."

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“The Covert War Against Rock” (Feral House, 2000)
 gossip columnist Dorothy Kilgallen, the only reporter to interview Jack Ruby and the author of an open letter to Lyndon Johnson that
appeared in her syndicated column on December 21, 1964:

"MEMORANDUM TO PRESIDENT JOHNSON; Please check with the State Department . . . the leaders of our Armed Forces or our chief
scientists, to discover what, if anything, we are doing to explore the ramifications of [electromagnetic] thought control . . . could change
the history of the world."

Kilgallen, one of the very few reporters in the country to question the Warren Commission's findings, told friends in the entertainment
industry that she was going to "bust the Kennedy assassination wide open." But she never had the opportunity. She abruptly died of acute
barbiturate and alcohol poisoning
—the New York medical examiner could not say whether Kilgallen died accidentally or was murdered—
on November 8, 1965. Mary Branum, one of Kilgallen's editors, received a telephone call several hours prior to the discovery of the
body. The anonymous caller informed Branum that the columnist had been "murdered.""
Dorothy Mae Kilgallen (July 3, 1913 – November 8, 1965) was an American journalist and television game show panelist. She started her career early as a reporter for the Hearst Corporation's New York Evening Journal after spending two semesters at The College of New Rochelle in New Rochelle, New York.[1] In 1936, she began her newspaper column, The Voice of Broadway, which eventually was syndicated to more than 146 papers.[2][3] She became a regular panelist on the television game show What's My Line? in 1950.

Kilgallen's columns featured mostly show business news and gossip, but also ventured into other topics such as politics and organized crime. She wrote front-page articles on the Sam Sheppard trial and later the John F. Kennedy assassination and interviewed Jack Ruby, Lee Harvey Oswald's killer, out of earshot of sheriff's deputies. The circumstances of Kilgallen's death have been the subject of conspiracy theories. As the cause of her death was officially ruled "undetermined," [4] and because she openly criticized U.S. government agencies as early as 1959, some believe that Kilgallen was murdered in order to silence her

The information posted here is strictly factual. It is intended to be a pool of facts for you, the reader, to draw from in order to come to your own conclusions.

This project is meant to be an expanding and definitive culmination of documents,  articles and pictures posted for educational purposes only.
 It is here for those who are curious and want to learn.

It’s time the misinformation ends. [email protected]

For anyone who missed the interview on Coast to Coast in which I discussed Dorothy, you may listen here.
Dorothy’s last article about the assassination ran September 3, 1965. In it, “she challenged the authenticity of the famous Life magazine cover of Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly holding a rifle.” [15] At the end, she asserted that “this story isn’t going to die as long as there’s a real reporter alive– and there are a lot of them.” [16]
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 26, 2013, 11:39:09 am
Nov 24, 1963:
Jack Ruby kills Lee Harvey Oswald

At 12:20 p.m., in the basement of the Dallas police station, Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin of President John F. Kennedy, is shot to death by Jack Ruby, a Dallas nightclub owner.

On November 24, Oswald was brought to the basement of the Dallas police headquarters on his way to a more secure county jail. A crowd of police and press with live television cameras rolling gathered to witness his departure. As Oswald came into the room, Jack Ruby emerged from the crowd and fatally wounded him with a single shot from a concealed .38 revolver. Ruby, who was immediately detained, claimed that rage at Kennedy's murder was the motive for his action. Some called him a hero, but he was nonetheless charged with first-degree murder.

Jack Ruby, originally known as Jacob Rubenstein, operated strip joints and dance halls in Dallas and had minor connections to organized crime. He also had a relationship with a number of Dallas policemen, which amounted to various favors in exchange for leniency in their monitoring of his establishments. He features prominently in Kennedy-assassination theories, and many believe he killed Oswald to keep him from revealing a larger conspiracy. In his trial, Ruby denied the allegation and pleaded innocent on the grounds that his great grief over Kennedy's murder had caused him to suffer "psychomotor epilepsy" and shoot Oswald unconsciously. The jury found him guilty of the "murder with malice" of Oswald and sentenced him to die.

LBJ has dinner with Mary Lasker  and Abe Fortas  AND Jack Brooks  ...

THE PRESIDENT’S DAILY DIARY: November 24, 1963-page 4


Mary Woodard Lasker (November 30, 1900 – February 21, 1994) was an American health activist and philanthropist. She worked to raise funds for medical research, and founded the Lasker Foundation.
In 1938 she became the president of the Birth Control Federation of America, the precursor of the Planned Parenthood Federation.[4]

Her second marriage was to Lord and Thomas advertising executive Albert Lasker until his death in the early 1950s of colon cancer.[5] Ironically, her husband's ad agency had promoted smoking with the slogan, "L.S.M.F.T.—Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco" [6] back when the dangers of smoking were not well known.[5]

The Laskers supported National Health Insurance under Truman.[3] After its failure Mary Lasker saw research funding as the best way to promote public health

Lasker was prominent in helping Lyndon Johnson get Eleanor Roosevelt's endorsement to become the 1960 Democratic nominee.[11] Lady Bird Johnson wrote about Lasker numerous times in her book A White House Diary, calling her house "charming ... like a setting for jewels" and thanking her for gifts of daffodil bulbs for parkways along the Potomac River and for thousands of azalea bushes, flowering dogwood and other plants to put along Pennsylvania Avenue.

Lasker was also instrumental in getting the US government to fund the War on Cancer in 1971
Mary Lasker is a recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1969, the Four Freedoms Award 1987 and the Congressional Gold Medal in 1989.
LBJ and Abe Fortas, 11/29/1963. Late afternoon.

Warren Commission: Telephone conversation between President Johnson and Abe Fortas, 11/29/1963.
Second conversation between  LBJ and Abe Fortas (Washington attorney and LBJ confidant), where Fortas reviews a draft announcement of the commission. LBJ invites Fortas to serve. Here, we offer selected telephone conversations concerning the Special Commission to Investigate the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (the Warren Commission). President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, TX on November 22, 1963. Shortly thereafter, the House of Representatives and the Senate considered independent investigations of the assassination and the murder of Kennedy's putative assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. To trump these congressional efforts, President Lyndon Johnson decided to form a presidential commission to investigate the assassination and Oswald's death. These conversations document the formation of the commission -- indentified by the popular title "The Warren Commission" -- because the chairman was  Chief Justice Earl Warren.

Later on in private legal practice in 1948, Fortas represented Lyndon Johnson in the hotly contested Democratic Senatorial Second Primary electoral dispute, and he made close ties with the president-to-be.

During the Red Scare of the late 1940s and early 1950s, Fortas came to widespread notice as the defense attorney for Owen Lattimore. In 1950, Fortas often clashed with Senator Joseph McCarthy when representing Lattimore before the Tydings Committee, and also before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee.

Fortas believed in an expanded executive branch and a less powerful legislative branch. He wrote: "The enormous growth of presidential power from Franklin D. Roosevelt to Lyndon Johnson was a necessary and an inevitable adaptation of our constitutional system to national needs

When Chief Justice Earl Warren announced his retirement in June 1968, Johnson nominated Associate Justice Abe Fortas to replace Warren as Chief Justice

In reviewing the events of November 22, 1963, one cannot escape the fact that on this day then Vice President Lyndon Baines Johnson was in trouble
most importantly and crucial to LBJ’s political future was the current Senate investigation of Johnson’s loyal aide and protege,
Bobby Baker.


Baker had moved up the ladder from a fourteen year old Senate page to the point where he was called the “one hundred and first senator” and the closest person in Washington to Lyndon Johnson. After the 1960 elections, Baker retained his position as Senate Secretary under the wing of Senator Bob Kerr. His political rise was second only to his financial one: in 1963 he reported his net worth as $2,166,866. One of Baker’s more successful schemes was
side activities from various business transactions. States Steinberg, “One of these was with Don B. Reynolds, a former Air Force and Foreign Service Officer, who was in the insurance business in Maryland. Reynolds told the committee that Bobby Baker and other Democrats had involved him as a ‘bag man’ to deliver political kickbacks.”(3) Although Baker resigned his post on October 8, 1963, the biggest scandal of the Kennedy Administration had begun. Hearings were held on November 22, 1963, beginning at 10 AM EST, that have been variously characterised as likely leading to Vice-President Johnson being dropped from the 1964 ticket (4) or being  removed from office.
From Reynolds testimony on December 1, 1964, about  his testimony of November 22, 1963, it can be seen that he testified for only three hours, and if he finished at 1:00 PM Eastern time, he would have finished at noon Central time.
His testimony would have been finished before the first reports of the shooting of President Kennedy; then surely Reynolds testimony was not cut short by the report of Kennedy’s assassination.

Just prior to Johnson’s return to Washington, while still onboard Air Force One, he called Abe Fortas, who had represented
Bobby Baker at the closed hearing, about the Reynold’s testimony earlier that day. (29) “What did Reynolds say?” he reportedly asked.


In 1963 Senator John Williams of Delaware began investigating the activities of Bobby Baker. As a result of his work, Baker resigned as the secretary to Lyndon B. Johnson on 9th October, 1963. During his investigations Williams met Reynolds and persuaded him to appear before a secret session of the Senate Rules Committee.

Reynolds told B. Everett Jordan and his committee on 22nd November, 1963, that Johnson had demanded that he provided kickbacks in return for him agreeing to this life insurance policy. This included a $585 Magnavox stereo. Reynolds was also told by Walter Jenkins that he had to pay for $1,200 worth of advertising on KTBC, Johnson's television station in Austin. Reynolds had paperwork for this transaction including a delivery note that indicated the stereo had been sent to the home of Johnson.

Reynolds also told of seeing a suitcase full of money which Bobby Baker described as a "$100,000 payoff to Johnson for his role in securing the Fort Worth TFX contract". Reynolds also provided evidence against Matthew H. McCloskey. He suggested that he given $25,000 to Baker in order to get the contract to build the District of Columbia Stadium. His testimony came to an end when news arrived that President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated.

Abe Fortas, a lawyer who represented both Lyndon B. Johnson and Bobby Baker, worked behind the scenes in an effort to keep this information from the public. Johnson also arranged for a smear campaign to be organized against Reynolds. To help him do this J. Edgar Hoover passed to Johnson the FBI file on Reynolds

In December, 1966, Edward Jay Epstein wrote an article for the Esquire Magazine where he claimed that Reynolds had given the Warren Commission information on the death of John F. Kennedy. Reynolds said that Bobby Baker had told him that Kennedy "would never live out
his term and that he would die a violent death." Baker had also said that "the FBI knew that Johnson was behind the assassination".

Jack Bascom Brooks (December 18, 1922 – December 4, 2012) was a Democratic lawmaker from Beaumont, Texas, who served in the U.S. House of Representatives for 42 years. Defeated in 1994, Brooks was the most senior Representative ever to have lost a general election for the U.S. House.

On November 22, 1963, Brooks was in the motorcade carrying U.S. President John F. Kennedy and First Lady Jackie Kennedy through downtown Dallas, Texas, when Kennedy was assassinated.[1][8] Brooks was a contemporary of Lyndon B. Johnson, who was a U.S. Senator before becoming Vice-President to Kennedy.[9] He was present on Air Force One at Dallas Love Field when Johnson was sworn in as President after Kennedy's death
He was a leader in the investigation that uncovered millions of dollars in public funds expended at the vacation homes of President Richard Nixon. Following the Watergate scandal in 1974, Brooks drafted the articles of impeachment later adopted by the House Judiciary Committee. For this reason, Nixon called Brooks his "executioner"
LBJ and Mary Lasker, 11/5/64, 2.42P
Nov 25, 1963:
Kennedy laid to rest at Arlington

On this day in 1963, President John F. Kennedy, who was assassinated three days earlier, is buried at Arlington National Cemetery. It was his son's third birthday.

Kennedy's coffin had lain in state in the rotunda of the Capitol building the previous day. Approximately 250,000 people streamed by the closed flag-draped coffin in a massive outpouring of respect. The next day, television and movie cameras rolled while Kennedy's wife Jackie, his brothers Robert and Ted, political leaders and foreign dignitaries formed a solemn funeral procession behind Kennedy's coffin as it was transferred atop a horse-drawn caisson to St. Matthew's Cathedral. Observers noted the only sounds that could be heard were the cadence of drum beats and horses' hooves and muffled sobs from the approximately 1 million people who lined the route between the Capitol and the cathedral.
 At one point, Kennedy's son, John Jr., who turned three that day, was filmed saluting his father's coffin.

( A year ago, after the wreckage from a plane crash washed up on the shores of a beach, Americans mourned the loss of another young member of one its most prominent and chronicled families.   (

In 1963 the Army vs. Navy football game was postponed after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The game was played a week later, at the insistence of his widow Jacqueline, and a Navy team led by Roger Staubach beat Army. Narrated by Kyle Chandler.

After Albert’s death in 1952, Mary kindled a fast friendship with Lyndon Baines Johnson. Author Michael Beschloss described Mary as the “New York philanthropist who had a flirtatious relationship with LBJ…before campaign finance disclosure laws [were enacted]…[helping to] quietly finance the Johnson campaign..through Walter Jenkins.., LBJ’s liason to the FBI.”  Beschloss called 

   Mary [Lasker] “the lavish Johnson donor” who told the new President Johnson, “There’s nothing we can’t do now..”  (

[p57 footnote and p132, Reaching For Glory]

Albert Davis Lasker

   Cereal and cigarettes, sure enough, also have a role to play in this amalgamated drama. There can’t be a Boomer anywhere in America who hasn’t heard of Kellogg’s Corn Flakes made by the “cereal king” Will Keith Kellogg. In 1930, Kellogg’s new foundation sponsored the construction of the Radiation Lab at Caltech that graciously gave quarter to Lewis Strauss and the ‘refugees’ Brasch and Szilard.

   It was nearly a century ago when young Florence Sheets (Mrs.Mahoney) enrolled in the Kellogg’s Battle Creek Normal School of Physical Education. She followed her graduation there with a journey to the lawless domain of Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan and a job teaching dance at the local YWCA. Mahoney’s biographer, Judith Robinson, reports that she had a “girlhood study medicine, but she got side-tracked on ballet,” nevertheless joining “an organization which aimed to establish health centers across the continent.” [p10, Noble Conspirator, Florence S. Mahoney and the Rise of the National Institutes of Health ]

In time, Mrs. Florence Mahoney and Mrs. Mary Lasker became one of Washington’s most famous pair of friends. Together, they were the Health Lobby on Capitol Hill, a partnership that began evolving in the 1920s over a mutual interest in birth control and mental health.

Bill White - William S. White:



May 02, 1994

* William S. White, 88, World War II correspondent, political reporter, columnist and Pulitzer-Prize winning biographer, died Saturday in Louisville, Ky. He had been in failing health since a stroke about eight years ago, said his wife, June McConnell White. He began his journalism career in the 1920s while a student at the University of Texas and joined the Associated Press at the age of 20. He covered Washington and World War II for the AP, then joined the New York Times in 1945. He was the Times' chief congressional correspondent in 1958 when he left to write a syndicated column. "The Taft Story," his biography of Robert A. Taft, won the Pulitzer Prize in 1955. Taft, a Republican senator from Ohio, unsuccessfully sought his party's presidential nomination in 1952. As a reporter and a columnist, Mr. White forged close ties to a succession of the country's most powerful leaders, including Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard Nixon. His other books include "The Citadel," based on his experience covering the Senate, and his memoirs, "The Making of a Journalist." His column, distributed by United Feature Syndicate, appeared in as many as 175 newspapers nationally until he retired in 1973.
Lady Bird Johnson Home Movie #26: Friends visit the LBJ Ranch, Fall 1955
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 26, 2013, 04:56:43 pm

President John F. Kennedy, less than four hours before he was killed by an assassin's bullets, gave this brief speech in a rain-soaked parking lot outside the Hotel Texas in downtown Fort Worth, Texas, at 8:45 AM (Central Standard Time) on the morning of Friday, November 22, 1963.

This rare audio footage comes from the archives of Fort Worth radio station WBAP.

JFK Fort Worth Breakfast November 22 1963 TV coverage
President Kennedy KRLD TV Coverage 11-22-63 in Fort Worth at the chamber of Commerce
November 22, 1963 - President John F. Kennedy's Remarks at the Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce

President John F. Kennedy spoke at 9 a.m. (c.s.t.) in the Texas Hotel in Fort Worth. In his opening words he referred to Raymond Buck, president of the Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce, Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, and to Governor John B. Connally, Senator Ralph W. Yarborough, Representative Jim Wright, Byron Tunnell, Speaker of the State House of Representatives, and Waggorier Cart, State Attorney General, all of Texas. He later referred to Marion Hicks, a vice president of Fort Worth General Dynamics and vice president of the Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce.

TFX Scandal and the JFK assassination

McNamara rejected the idea but evidence was to emerge later that Johnson did play an important role in the awarding of the TFX project to General Dynamics. For example, William Proxmire later began investigating the role played by Richard Russell in the granting of the C-5A contract to Lockheed. The C-5A was built in Marietta, Georgia, the state that Russell represented. The Air Force Contract Selection Board originally selected Boeing that was located in the states of Washington and Kansas. However, Proxmire claimed that Russell was able to persuade the board to change its mind and give the C-5A contract to Lockhead.

Proxmire quotes Howard Atherton, the mayor of Marietta, as saying that “Russell was key to landing the contract”. Atherton added that Russell believed that Robert McNamara was going ahead with the C-5A in order to “give the plane to Boeing because Boeing got left out on the TFX fighter.” According to Atherton, Russell got the contract after talking to Lyndon Johnson. Atherton added, “without Russell, we wouldn’t have gotten the contract”. (8)

Several journalists speculated that Johnson and his friends in Texas had played a key role in obtaining the TFX contract for General Dynamics. (9) When "reporters discovered that the Continental National Bank of Fort Worth, was the principal money source for the General Dynamics plant" in October, 1963, Fred Korth was forced to resign as Secretary of the Navy. (10)

Johnson’s role in these events was confirmed when Don B. Reynolds testified in a secret session of the Senate Rules Committee. As Victor Lasky pointed out, Reynolds “spoke of the time Bobby Baker opened a satchel full of paper money which he said was a $100,000 payoff for Johnson for pushing through a $7billion TFX plane contract.” (11)

Burkett Van Kirk, chief counsel for the Republican minority on the Senate Rules Committee later told Seymour Hersh that Senator John Williams of Delaware was being fed information by Robert Kennedy about the involvement of Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Baker in a series of scandals. Williams, the Senate’s leading investigator of corruption, passed this information to the three Republicans (John Sherman Cooper, Hugh Scott and Carl Curtis) on the ten-member Rules Committee. However, outnumbered, they were unable to carry out a full investigation into Johnson and Baker. Van Kirk claimed that Robert Kennedy supplied this information because he wanted “to get rid of Johnson.” (12)
In his autobiography, Forty Years Against the Tide, Carl Curtis gives an insider view of the attempted investigation into the activities of Lyndon Johnson, Bobby Baker, Walter Jenkins and Fred Black. According to Curtis, Johnson managed to persuade the seven Democrats to vote against hearing the testimony of important witnesses. This included Margaret Broome, who served as Bobby Baker’s secretary before the position was taken by Carole Tyler, who later became his mistress. Tyler did testify but refused to answer questions on the ground that she might incriminate herself. Tyler was later to die in an airplane crash on the beach near the Carousel Motel, owned by Bobby Baker.

Meeting with Fred Korth, Secretary of the Navy, 12:05PM  1962 January 16

General Dynamics had several factors in its favour. The president of the company was Frank Pace, the Secretary of the Army (April, 1950-January, 1953). The Deputy Secretary of Defense in 1962 was Roswell Gilpatric, who before he took up the post, was chief counsel for General Dynamics. The Secretary of the Navy was John Connally, a politician from Texas, the state where General Dynamics had its main plant.

Connally left the job in January 1962 and John F. Kennedy now appointed Korth as Secretary of the Navy. According to author Seth Kantor, Korth only got the job after strong lobbying from Lyndon B. Johnson. A few weeks after taking the post, Korth overruled top Navy officers who had proposed that the X-22 contract be given to Douglas Aircraft Corporation. Instead he insisted the contract be granted to the more expensive bid of the Bell Corporation. This was a subsidiary of Bell Aerospace Corporation of Forth Worth, Texas. This created some controversy as Korth was a former director of the company.

Korth also became very involved in discussions about the TFX contract. Korth, was the former president of the Continental Bank, which had loaned General Dynamics considerable sums of money during the late 1950s and early 1960s. Korth later told the John McClellan committee that investigated the granting of the TFX contract to General Dynamics “that because of his peculiar position he had deliberately refrained from taking a directing hand in this decision (within the Navy) until the last possible moment
The TFX program involved the building of 1,700 planes for the Navy and the Air Force. The contract was estimated to be worth over $6.5 billion, making it the largest contract for military planes in the nation’s history
John McClellan, chairman of the Permanent Investigations Committee, continued looking into the activities of Billie Sol Estes and Bobby Baker. During this investigation evidence emerged that Lyndon B. Johnson was also involved in political corruption. This included the award of a $7 billion contract for a fighter plane, the TFX, to General Dynamics, a company based in Texas. When it was discovered that the Continental National Bank of Fort Worth, was the principal money source for the General Dynamics plant. As a result of this revelation Korth resigned from office in October, 1963.

On 22nd November, 1963, a friend of Baker's, Don B. Reynolds told B. Everett Jordan and his Senate Rules Committee that he saw a suitcase full of money which Baker described as a "$100,000 payoff to Johnson for his role in securing the Fort Worth TFX contract".
The Sequoia & the JFK Assassination

Berzon claimed to be a former classmate of Commander Ismay, the former Commander of the “Sequoia,” the yacht of the Secretary of the Navy. According to Berzon, Ismay called him on February 7, 1965, and sought his advice as to whom he should contact concerning information in Ismay’s possession that the former Secretary of the Navy Fred Korth and Bobby Baker had entertained party girls aboard the “Sequoia”; also information that Ismay allegedly has implicating Korth in the assassination of President Kennedy.


In fact, JFK's last birthday party was held on the "Sequoia," while docked at New York City, a few hours after Marilyn Monroe sang happy birthday Mister President at Madison Square Garden.

And it would seem that if JFK and Jackie had parties on the "Sequoia," that others did too, including RFK and Korth, the Secretary of the Navy who was permitted to resign when it was revealed that he used Navy stationary to do Continental Bank Business and had parties for bank officers aboard the boat.
Shotgun victim, Verita Korth, with father, Fred Korth. John Connally's daughter, Kathleen was another who dies from a shotgun blast [Verita Korth commits "suicide" in 1969 - Kathleen Connally has a shotgun "accident" in 1959].
In 1959, the 18 year old son of I.B. Hale was cleared by a Coroner's Jury in the shotgun death of his 16 year old pregnant wife, Kathleen, who was the daughter of John Connolly. The jury found that Kathleen Hale was killed by the accidental discharge of a 20 gauge shotgun.
The charge that killed her entered behind Kathleen's right ear. What the...?
The story he told was jumbled and almost uncoherent. He said they had  quarreled, Kathleen had walked out, he had gone looking for her but did
 not find her, and that when he had returned to the apartment she was  sitting in a chair with his loaded shotgun pointed at her head, with her
 finger on the trigger.
 At the coroner's inquest he said that she told him, "Bobby, I am sick in  my mind and I need help, I know now that no one can help me." He said he
 tried to talk to her into putting the gun down, but she kept threatening  to use it. He grab for it, he said, and the gun went off." "

 "Exactly what happened in that room, what was said, and what was done,  we will never be completely sure.""
Misfortunes followed. The Assassination of President Kennedy, at less  than an arms length, the bribery trial, the bankruptcy �All were
 traumatic, devastating, and ate away at the soul.  
 "However sad so grievous, none of these can equal the burden of sorrow  we will carry with us to the grave over the death of Kathleen. This is
 the first time I have ever discussed it in any detail, and it will also  be the last."

 John Connally.

So his daughter was married to the son of IB Hale , hmmm...
Insall Bailey "I. B." Hale (September 9, 1916 – 1971)
 Hale became an FBI agent in Fort Worth, Texas and was a close associate of J. Edgar Hoover.[2] Later he became chief of security for Convair aircraft factory [3] and General Dynamics, and was a chairman of ASIS International.[2] Hale died of a heart attack in 1971.[2]
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo
Post by: Letsbereal on November 26, 2013, 06:13:26 pm
JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo - 50th anniversary

Very interesting:

JFK Assassination Eyewitness View - Black Dog Man aka Badge Man (In my view)

GORDON ARNOLD: Excerpt from: The Forces of Darkness of the series The Men Who Killed Kennedy which aired in 1988

"On that particularly morning what happened was I came down town and I thought there was gonna be a parade. So, what I did is I parked my car back here at this parking lot and intentionally walked to this particular corner because I wanted to take pictures of the parade off of the railroad bridge.

Well this is about how far I got cause what happened is when I got my leg to about this position (Gordon Arnold shows at the actual spot that day with one leg over a leg high iron fence) A man game around the corner off the bridge, had a suit on and he turned around and told me that I wasn't going to be there. And I quess I was more younger and spunkier at the time cause I told them: "You and who else ain't gonna keep me off the bridge" and he pulled out identificationcard and he said: "I am with the CIA" - and I said "Well that's enough muscle, I Ieave."

So, I turened around and brought my leg back over like this (actually pulls back his leg from the one step over the fence position) and walked down the fence line here about half way and I was looking over the fence to see if good get a good shot of the parade he came back up and told me he says: " I told ya to get out of this area!" and I said "OK" so I walked the complete length of the fence, got around on the other side.

That's when I started to line up my frame so that I could take the picture of the parade. I had been panning shots trough here so that I could get whatever was gonna come down that street, and I saw that it was the President of the United States. And as I was panning down this direction, just as I got about this position (Gordon Arnold shows with his hand the camera panning direction that day), a shot came right passed my left ear. And that meant, it would have come from this direction (Points with his left hand behind his left shoulder direction the parking lot which is right behind the wouden fence from which he's in front on the grassy knoll filming the parade). That's when I fell down and to me it seem a second shot was at least fired over my head, as bunch of report going on in this particular area at that time.

And what happened was that, while I was laying on the ground, it seem like a gentleman came from this particular direction and I thought he was a police officer cause he had the uniform of a police officer. But he didn't wear a hat and he had dirty hands but that didn't realy matter much at that time because, with him crying like he was, and with him shaking when he had the weapon in his hand, I think I'd gave him almost anything except the camera cause that was my mothers. And litteraly what the man did was kick, kick me, and ask me if I was taking a picture. I told him that I was, and when I looked at the weapon it was about that big around (Gordon Arnold shows the size of a hand gun between his hands) I decided let them go ahead and and have the film. I gave it to him and than he went back off in this direction (Gordon Arnold points with his left arm half way behind him). I went off in this direction (Gordon Arnold points left with his left arm).

And three days later I was on Alaska and I didn't come back to the United States for about 18 months."




JFK, Mary Moorman "Hard Hat Man" behind picket fence on Zapruder film
Title: This is the real deal!: JFK Assassination Sniper View - Badgeman 11/22/63
Post by: Letsbereal on November 26, 2013, 06:30:27 pm
Well this is the real deal then: JFK Assassination Sniper View - Badgeman
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Letsbereal on November 26, 2013, 07:00:12 pm
This guy Confirms the four shots fired in which shot number 3 and 4 very close together
Title: My Five Cents On The JFK Assassination---50 years Ago---11/22/63
Post by: Letsbereal on November 26, 2013, 07:52:45 pm
My JFK Report anno 11/27/13 for the moment because this case will never rest also thanks to the in-put of these nut-cases making the official story so preposterous with the bogus ‘one bullet changing course in mid air’ theory that they’ve helped the case staying into public’s interest after so many years.

OK. At least three man but most likely 4-men of which 2-of them behind the grassy knoll fence because they have been 100% identified and seen by the two eye witnesses.

A classic cross fire ambush one could say in which shot number 1 and 2 came from an other direction and thus not from the grassy knoll.

I think the idea was that each men was to fire one single shot since there was no time for reloading because they needed these precious split seconds to get away.

The Badge Man gives his gun immediately to the ‘Hard Hat Man’ aka ‘Railway Man’ after he’d fired the one single shot.

The ‘Railway Man’ immediately turns and walks away with the rifle which can be taken apart and fitted in his toolbox.

The same scenario goes for the second shooter besides the badge man behind the grassy knoll further down the fence wearing a blue hat and a black jacket.

He had a gun and he walked towards the railroad. He tossed the gun to a second man than he turned and straightened his jacket adjusted his hat and walked casually away.

The man with the striped railroad shirt walked over to the electrical box with the gun. He took the gun apart. He put it in a toolbox. He then walks slowly away in the direction of the railroad track.

Further details about shot and shooter number 1 and 2 can be filled in later. So much is crystal clear to me and these are my five cents so to speak.

I think essentially here is to notice that only a Badge Man/Police Man can go unnoticed with a gun in his hand.

OK, that’s it for me, Ya’ll been great ;)
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Letsbereal on November 26, 2013, 08:34:00 pm
This guy is the real deal, ya bet ya ass he is!

Probably describing the ambush position of the shooter wearing the blue hat and a black jacket

Supporting witnesses
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Letsbereal on November 27, 2013, 02:12:23 am
At least three man but most likely 4-men of which 2-of them behind the grassy knoll picket fence because they have been 100% identified and seen by the two eye witnesses.

A classic cross fire ambush one could say in which shot number 1 and 2 came from an other direction and thus not from the grassy knoll.

I think the idea was that each men was to fire one single shot since there was no time for reloading because they needed these precious split seconds to get away.


ORG recordings: Gary Mack's JFK Assassination Gunshots Flexi-Disc

The Badge Man gives his gun immediately to the Hard Hat Man aka Railway Man  after he’d fired the one single shot.

The Railway Man immediately turns and walks away with the rifle which can be taken apart and fitted in his toolbox.

Now the Badge Man/ Police Man desperately had to take possession of Arnolds film not blow his cover as he tought.

So the Badge Man/Police Man aproaches Gordon Arnold, who junped to the ground as a real soldier (according to witness on the other side of the road), because he had just fired a shot past Gordon Arnolds left ear,

"But he didn't wear a hat and he had dirty hands but that didn't realy matter much at that time because, with him crying like he was, and with him shaking when he had the weapon in his hand,

I think I'd gave him almost anything except the camera cause that was my mothers", says Gordon Arnold.

"And litteraly what the man did was kick, kick me, and ask me if I was taking a picture", Gordon Arnold says.

"I told him that I was, and when I looked at the weapon*** it was about that big around (Gordon Arnold shows the size of a hand gun between his hands) I decided let them go ahead and and have the film.

I gave it to him and than he went back off in this direction (Gordon Arnold points with his left arm half way behind him). I went off in this direction." (Gordon Arnold points left with his left arm).


The same scenario goes for the second shooter besides the badge man behind the grassy knoll further down the fence wearing a blue hat and a black jacket according to witness Ed Hoffman.

"He had a gun and he walked towards the railroad. He tossed the gun to a second man than he turned and straightened his jacket adjusted his hat and walked casually away", says Ed Hoffman.

"The man with the striped railroad shirt walked over to the electrical box with the gun. He took the gun apart. He put it in a toolbox. He then walks slowly away in the direction of the railroad track."

***I think essentially here is to notice that only a Badge Man/Police Man can go unnoticed with a gun in his hand.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Letsbereal on November 27, 2013, 02:32:16 am
Zapruder Film with Dictabelt Recording 2

Zapruder Film with Dictabelt Recording 1
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Letsbereal on November 27, 2013, 04:40:28 am
Quiet amazing because somehow this '2011 New Find' struck a nerve in me.

Not because He's the Hard Hat Man aka Railway Man because I already knew that but because of his pose.

It looks like he's just getting handed over vertically a rifle and or has the rifle vertically to take it apart to put it in his toolbox.

JFK Assassination 2011 New Find

Sure enough is that the Hard Hat Man aka Railway Man moved along behind the Picket Fence.

I think there where two Railway Man. One standing beside the Badge Man with Hard Hat on in what seems to be a white T-Shirt.

The other Railway Man with with the "Striped Rail Road Shirt" standing beside Shooter Number 4 "The Man with the Blue Hat and a Black Jacket".

Both man used a toolbox to hide the gun after taking it apart immediately after both the Badge Man and the man with the Blue Hat and a Black Jacket each fired a single shot with 0.7 sec between them.

"The man with the Striped Rail Road Shirt walked over to the electrical box with the gun. He took the gun apart. He put it in a toolbox. He then walks slowly away in the direction of the rail road track."

The Rail Road man with the white T-Shirt walks along the Picket Fence seemingly to the position of Shooter Number 4 the man with the Blue Hat and a Black Jacket.

However there is the possibility that they are one and the same. For instance after Badge Man's single shot the Railway man in the white T-Shirt takes his gun takes it apart and put it in his toolbox.

He then puts on a Striped Rail Road Shirt walks along the Picket Fence towards shooter Number 4, the man with the Blue Hat and a Black Jacket, who tosses him his gun.

He then walks behind the electrical box takes this gun apart and put it next to the other taken apart Badge Man gun. He then walks slowly away in the direction of the rail road track with two taken apart guns in his toolbox.

Still I think it would be more logical, also looking at the very tight escape schedule, that these hit-men obviously followed, to have two rail-road men with two toolboxes next to the two shooters in order to be able taking the guns out of sight immediately after the shooting which was essential to their escape plan.

They worked very fast and most people running up to the Grassy Knoll where too late to see anything behind the Picket Fence. Maybe when people looked over the Fence the railway man was just kneeling behind the electrical box to take the number 4 gun apart, because nobody would be able to see him from that angle.

Definitely the way Railway man with the Striped Rail Road Shirt "slowly walks away" tells us something about the mindset of these guys.

The kept their nerves pretty much together where the Badge Man almost lost it when he had set his mind on getting the film role out of Gordon Arnold mother's film camera.

And I don't believe that Gordon Arnold's involuntary 18 month army Alaska trip just three days after was a coincidence.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 27, 2013, 12:32:33 pm
I don't think Caroline ever did "release" the bit where her mother accuses LBJ... ?
Jacqueline Kennedy Tapes, Recorded After JFK Assassination, Reveal Intimate Secrets
The Top Eight Quotes from the Jackie Kennedy Tapes
Explosive Jackie O tapes 'reveal how she believed Lyndon B Johnson killed JFK and had affair with movie star'
She will allegedly reveal affair with actor William Holden
Believed Vice-President Johnson was behind husband's assassination
By Liz Thomas
UPDATED: 12:20 EST, 8 August 2011

Jackie Onassis believed that Lyndon B Johnson and a cabal of Texas tycoons were involved in the assassination of her husband John F Kennedy, ‘explosive’ recordings are set to reveal.

The secret tapes will show that the former first lady felt that her husband’s successor was at the heart of the plot to murder him.

She became convinced that the then vice president, along with businessmen in the South, had orchestrated the Dallas shooting, with gunman Lee Harvey Oswald – long claimed to have been a lone assassin – merely part of a much larger conspiracy.

Texas-born Mr Johnson, who served as the state’s governor and senator, completed Mr Kennedy’s term and went on to be elected president in his own right.

The tapes were recorded with leading historian Arthur Schlesinger Jnr within months of the assassination on November 22, 1963, and had been sealed in a vault at the Kennedy Library in Boston.


A programme featuring the tapes will be aired by U.S. network ABC, and it is understood British broadcasters are in talks to show it here too.

ABC executives claimed the tapes’ revelations were ‘explosive’.

It is believed that Caroline, 53, agreed to the early release of the tapes in exchange for ABC dropping its £10million drama series about the family.
The series was eventually broadcast on an independent cable channel,  and on BBC2 in the UK, against Caroline’s wishes.
A spokesman for ABC said the claims about the content of the tapes were 'erroneous'.
He said: ‘The actual content of the tapes provide unique and important insight into our recent past from one of the most fascinating and influential First Ladies in American history.’

The broadcaster did not reply to repeated requests for comment and would not clarify what was on the tapes, saying the programme was not scheduled for broadcast until mid-September.

Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis believed Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was behind the assassination of her husband, according to tapes recorded by the former first lady just months after President John F. Kennedy's death, the Daily Mail reports.

NEW YORK – Sources say tapes released reveal that Jackie Kennedy believed Lyndon Johnson was also the  mastermind behind RFK’s assassination.

Tapes recorded by the First Lady months after the President’s death are to be released ahead of schedule by her daughter Caroline.

In the tapes, to be broadcast by ABC, Kennedy reveals her belief that Johnson and a cabal of Texas tycoons orchestrated the murder of her husband by gunman Lee Harvey Oswald AND, sources close to an insider at ABC said that the tapes also reveal that Jackie believed Johnson also orchestrated the murder of Bobby Kennedy.
Kennedy, who later became Jackie Onassis, claims on the tapes that the Los Angeles murder was part of a larger conspiracy by Johnson to keep Robert Kennedy from becoming President.

But rumors by insiders who have sources close to people who know about the tapes, say that Jackie Kennedy reveals, on tape, that President Johnson had met with Sirhan Sirhan three weeks prior in the White House.  Sirhan Sirhan was taking a White House tour, when Johnson complimented him on his shoes.
ABC executives have confirmed that the revelations in the tapes are ‘explosive’ with Jackie Kennedy allegedly blaming President Lyndon Johnson for the death of JFK.   The tapes were made in 1964, 1968 and 1970.  ABC executives have not confirmed that Jackie says that Lyndon Johnson had anything to do with Bobby’s death, but unreliable sources close to ABC say that this is definitely a second bombshell on the tapes.

Some sources close to tapes recorded by Dick Cavett stored in a vault in Bayonne, say that Lyndon Johnson was also responsible for the death of Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix.  “He was a wild Texan,” the Bayonne insider said.

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JFK and RFK: The Plots that Killed Them, The Patsies that Didn’t
by James Fetzer
The assassinations of RFK and JFK were both conspiracies. Both involved the destruction of evidence. Both involved the fabrication of evidence. Both involved framing their patsies. Both involved complicity by local officials. Both involved planning by the CIA. Both were used to deny the American people of the right to be governed by leaders of their own choosing.

My purpose here is to outline how these things are done, because the agencies responsible for these events continue to employ the same techniques, not only of killing their targets but of covering them up. The more we understand how these things are done, the less likely we are to be deceived again.
Jim Fetzer: What Happened To JFK And Why It Matters Today
The film itself thus demonstrates that the Zapruder version of Clint Hill’s actions up to the Triple Underpass contradict Clint Hill’s words describing what he actually did.

John’s collation of eyewitness reports about the assassination includes dozens and dozens about the limo stop. Some reported seeing it slow dramatically and others that it came to a complete stop, which makes sense since, from different positions, different witnesses would have seen it slow dramatically as it came to a complete stop. Among them is Toni Foster , who was interviewed by Debra Conway in 2000.

As Daniel Gallup has observed, Foster seems to have no idea that her recollections contradict the official record. Toni told Debra, “For some reason, the car stopped. It did stop for seconds. I don’t even know why it stopped and all of a sudden it sped up and they went under the underpass. I could never figure out why the car stopped.” “The way she delivers these lines,” Gallup observed, “I doubt Toni had ever seen the extant Z-film, and had no idea her recollections contradicted that film.”

 He said he was reminded of David Lifton’s early (1971) interviews with the Newmans who also said the limo had stopped. “They had no way of knowing at the time that the Z-film showed no such stop. All of this is to say, the earliest recollections of individuals are likely to be the most significant,” he added, “especially if there is evidence of a lack of exposure to contrary viewpoints that might influence memory”.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 28, 2013, 11:36:07 am
Some interesting links --- On this day LBJ "decides" to establish  a commission he controlled ... the Warren Commision ...
Thanksgiving Message (November 28, 1963) Lyndon Baines Johnson
Nov 28 1963: LBJ backs Commission to investigate the assassination
After the death of Oswald, Johnson and aides were determined to convince the public that the suspected assassin had acted alone but could not decide how.  By the 28th Johnson had swung behind the idea of a commission, although  there is a little documentation as to why he changed his mind
CIA admits undercover officer lived in New Orleans
November 11, 2013

In a court motion filed last week, the CIA acknowledged for the first time that deceased CIA officer George Joannides lived in New Orleans while handling contacts with an anti-Castro student organization whose members had a series of encounters with accused presidential assassin Lee Oswald in August 1963.

The unexpected admission came in arguments before a federal court judge about whether the CIA is obliged to pay $295,000 in legal fees incurred during my Freedom of Information Act lawsuit concerning certain 50-year-old JFK assassination records.


Retired CIA officer George Joannides (left) received the Career Intelligence Medal from deputy CIA director Bobby Ray Inman on July 15, 1981.
(Photo credit: CIA

A medal for his service

In the Nov. 7 filing, Machen also disputed the significance of CIA records, released under appellate court order in 2008, that revealed Joannides had received a CIA medal.

In a previous filing, I argued that the previously unknown honor reflected official approval of Joannides’s actions in 1963 and in 1978, when he served as the CIA’s liaison to congressional investigators looking into Kennedy’s murder.
Citing CIA ‘treachery,’ federal judge calls for release of secret JFK files.
November 26, 2013

In yesterday’s Boston Globe, Bryan Bender reported that Judge John Tunheim, former chair of a civilian review panel in charge of declassifying the government’s JFK assassination records, has called on the CIA to release all of its files on the late George Joannides, a deceased CIA officer involved in the events of 1963 and its confused investigatory aftermath.

“It really was an example of treachery,” Tunheim said in a recent interview of the CIA’s handling of the Joannides affair. “If [the CIA] fooled us on that, they may have fooled us on other things.”

He called on the agency to make public everything it knows about the Joannides, who is now dead.

“I think they should release them now because they clearly have become relevant to the assassination,” Tunheim said.

The CIA maintains that it has provided all relevant documents to the Archives.
Troves of files on JFK assassination remain secret
 By Bryan Bender
 |  Globe Staff  
   November 25, 2013
The Ongoing Kennedy Casket Mystery
by Jacob G. Hornberger November 21, 2012

On the 49th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, among the glaring issues that cry out for explanation is the multiple delivery of Kennedy’s body to the Bethesda morgue on the evening of the assassination. After almost half-a-century, the government agencies and government officials who were involved still refuse to provide an explanation into that highly unusual and very mysterious episode. In fact, they still won’t even acknowledge that it happened despite the overwhelming amount of evidence that it did happen.
JFK's last day: Rochester Hills audio expert's care, tapes reveal info, hint at more
November 10, 2013

This month, as events, books and TV specials mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination, a new piece of evidence with a metro Detroit connection has Kennedy researchers buzzing.

It’s an 88-minute audio recording of Air Force One radio transmissions that’s described as the most complete version of those communications yet.

And it may indicate that a longer version with fresh revelations is out there somewhere.

The recording is described on the website as among the most important pieces of assassination-related evidence to surface in the past five years.

It was enhanced for sound quality and combined from two separate tapes by audio and video forensic expert Ed Primeau and his Rochester Hills-based Primeau Forensics.


Brad Finegan of Primeau Forensics combined the two tapes in chronological order using Kelly’s transcripts and some overlapping as guides. In addition, Primeau obtained aerial video footage from a pilot friend that Finegan and Primeau’s son, Mike, used to create a captioned video version of the Air Force One recording.
“The Air Force One tapes are sort of like the black box of the assassination. It has all the basic information there you want to know of what happened at the highest levels of government in the two hours after the assassination. And it all should be right there, but there’s some that’s missing,” said Kelly, whose website is

Primeau Forensics Restored Air Force One Recordings from John F. Kennedy Assassination

Tuesday, October 8, 2013 @ 09:10 PM Author: Audio Forensic-Expert   

Lamb to the sacrifice symbolism:
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 Jean hill saw a white dog in the limo was a LambChop puppet ...

At Love Field Airport, Jackie was given a small "look alike" Lambchop doll/puppet, reportedly, by a little girl. There was apparently some controversy, because the woman in the red coat, on the other side of the car, on the lawn, during the assasination, tried and tried to tell interviewers that she saw Jackie holding a little white "dog" or "puppet" of some kind as they drove by her - which of course - is right at the time of the fatal shot.
DALLAS, Tuesday, November 7, 2000
Jean Hill has passed away today.
... A child had presented Jackie Kennedy with a stuffed animal similar to Shari Lewis' Lamb Chop
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 29, 2013, 11:36:09 am
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JOHN F. KENNEDY 'JFK' Vintage Original Life Magazine November 29, 1963

Time Cover | Lyndon Johnson | Nov. 29, 1963

On Friday, November 29, 1963, exactly one week after President John F. Kennedy had been killed by a sniper's bullets in Dallas, Texas, new U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson made this telephone call to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.

November 29th was also the same day that Johnson announced the formation of the Warren Commission to investigate JFK's assassination.

Students of the JFK murder case will immediately take note of several factual errors within this phone call between LBJ and Hoover.
More information about some of those mistakes can be found at the link below:

J. Edgar Hoover found respite at Del Mar
J. Edgar Hoover in jockeys' room with riders and their officials in 1947. — Courtesy Del Mar Fairgrounds

Indeed, the actual legendary G-man who led the FBI from 1935 to 1972 loved going to the Del Mar horse races.

“I have found that an afternoon at the races gives me complete relaxation from a grueling week of work in the FBI,” Hoover said in the interview. “It is a complete change of pace and has the advantage of being a colorful sport and outdoors. I have found racing to be a wholesome diversion.”

Oil and Politics in La Jolla
How two Texas oilmen ran Del Mar and national politicians from a La Jolla hotel.

Hotel del Charro:


It was the vortex of a dark universe, hiding in plain sight.

“At La Jolla (pronounced La Hoya), San Diego’s northern suburb,” the New York Times reported on January 17, 1954, “a syndicate of well-heeled Texans has spent a reported $1 million on a fabulous hostelry dubbed the Hotel del Charro.” The place had opened for business less than a year before, on May 29, 1953, and word was spreading fast.

No outsider ever actually knew who owned the hotel, for it was held by a Nevada corporation, Rancho del Charro, Inc. (the name was later changed to Hotel del Charro, Inc.). But the real owners were widely understood to be Clint Murchison and Sid Richardson, two Texas oilmen with an interest in everything from racetracks to uranium for use in the atomic bomb.

County records show that on June 10, 1953, the corporation borrowed $500,000 from the Atlantic Life Insurance Company of Richmond, Virginia, owned by Murchison. The month before, the corporation had purchased a liquor license that formerly belonged to Roy H. Pickford of the Rose Bowl Cocktail Lounge in Coronado.

There were famous guests, ostentatious arrivals, drunks, bookies, movie stars, mobsters, atomic scientists, gamblers, Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover, and an excess of all things Texas, presided over by two of the richest men on earth.

Clint Murchison and Sid Richardson, who made their fortunes in Texas oil, were spending it on politicians, horses, and making more money. They were partial to Jim Beam, big cigars, hunting, homemade chili, and poker. Some of their friends were Mafiosi and the two oilmen didn’t cotton to liberals or snooty California society matrons, and they didn’t give a damn who cared.


Britton described a cluster of freestanding units added to the back of the hotel by Murchison and Richardson, where their old friend and FBI director J. Edgar Hoover spent two weeks each summer. “Hoover, who formally patronized Casa Mañana (now exclusively for the old and retired, hence no place for Mr. G-man in full flush), occupied one of the ingenious ‘bungalows,’ which are the best architectural feature of Del Charro.”

The place was a safe distance out of town, on the road to Del Mar and points north, near the intersection of today’s La Jolla Parkway and Torrey Pines Road, a convenient drive to the Del Mar track, control of which they would soon acquire through some questionable dealings.


Some mystery remains about exactly what J. Edgar Hoover did in return for that Texas hospitality. In The Man and His Secrets, writer Curt Gentry says he gave Murchison’s lobbyist Tom Webb advance word on forthcoming actions by federal agencies. Anthony Summers, author of Official and Confidential, the Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover, quotes Allan Witwer as saying Hoover cleared the way for Murchison to buy the Del Mar track, which sat on leased property owned by the State of California.

“Murchison and Richardson were not only turned down by Al Hart [an ex-bootlegger and powerful mob-linked Hollywood figure] and his directors, they were practically thrown out of the office,” Witwer told Summers. “And Murchison said, ‘If those fellas won’t deal with me, we’ll sic old J. Edgar on them.’ And Hoover sent two FBI agents to call on Hart. I heard this from the agents themselves afterwards. And then Hart sold.”


Another guest with mob ties was a wildcatter and fellow gambler from Houston. “My office faced the swimming pool, and one of the agents was in there with me one evening,” Witwer told Summers. “He looked out the window — we had torches by the pool at night — and he saw the wildcatter, and he said, ‘Allan, what’s he doing here? D’you know who he is?’ And I said, ‘Sure.’ And he said, ‘I bet you don’t know. He’s a partner of New Orleans Mafia boss Carlos Marcello. And I said, ‘Well, tell Hoover that! He has breakfast with him every morning.’ I got a kind of shock that Hoover would allow [the wildcatter] to be with him at all.”

Some said they had even seen Marcello himself, whose various enterprises included a West Coast racing wire and California call-girl operations, hanging around the pool at Del Charro.

Another witness to Hoover’s mob associations was Del Charro regular John Connally, Richardson’s top aide, who was later to become governor of Texas. “I spent nine extraordinary years working for Sid Richardson and Perry Bass, and through them had frequent, if casual, contact with the dominant figure of American intrigue: J. Edgar Hoover,” Connally recounted in a 1993 autobiography. During summers at Del Charro, Connally said, Hoover “tried to avoid the mobsters who also enjoyed their afternoons of horse racing, but a few of them he got along with quite well.”
Clinton Murchison Sr.

Murchison and Sid Richardson, became friends of J. Edgar Hoover, the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. It was the start of a long friendship. According to Anthony Summers, the author of The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover (1993): "Recognizing Edgar's influence as a national figure, the oilmen had started cultivating him in the late forties-inviting him to Texas as a houseguest, taking him on hunting expeditions. Edgar's relations with them were to go far beyond what was proper for a Director of the FBI."

Hoover and his friend, Clyde Tolson, were regular visitors to Murchison's Del Charro Hotel in La Jolla, California. The three men would visit the local racetrack, Del Mar. Allan Witwer, the manager of the hotel at the time, later recalled: "It came to the end of the summer and Hoover had made no attempt to pay his bill. So I went to Murchison and asked him what he wanted me to do." Murchison told him to put it on his bill. Witwer estimates that over the next 18 summers Murchison's hospitality was worth nearly $300,000. Other visitors to the hotel included Richard Nixon, John Connally, Lyndon B. Johnson, Meyer Lansky, Santos Trafficante, Johnny Rosselli, Sam Giancana and Carlos Marcello.

In 1952 Hoover and Murchison worked together to mount a smear campaign against Adlai Stevenson, the Democratic Party candidate for the presidency. Hoover and his friend, Clyde Tolson, also invested heavily in Murchison's oil business. In 1954 Murchison joined forces with Richardson and Robert Ralph Young to gain control of the New York Central Railroad. This involved buying 800,000 shares worth $20 million.
On 16th October, 1962, President Kennedy was able to persuade Congress to pass an act that removed the distinction between repatriated profits and profits reinvested abroad. While this law applied to industry as a whole, it especially affected the oil companies. It was estimated that as a result of this legislation, wealthy oilmen saw a fall in their earnings on foreign investment from 30 per cent to 15 per cent.

The following year, on 17th January, 1963, President Kennedy presented his proposals for tax reform. This included relieving the tax burdens of low-income and elderly citizens. Kennedy also claimed he wanted to remove special privileges and loopholes. He even said he wanted to do away with the oil depletion allowance. It is estimated that the proposed removal of the oil depletion allowance would result in a loss of around $300 million a year to Texas oilmen
Rumours began to circulate that Murchison might have been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. A friend of Murchison, Madeleine Brown, claimed in an interview on the television show, A Current Affair that on the 21st November, 1963, she was at his home in Dallas. Others at the meeting included Haroldson L. Hunt, J. Edgar Hoover, Clyde Tolson, John J. McCloy and Richard Nixon.
Fun At The Del Charro

Clint Murchison, an oil millionaire whose wealth was nurtured and preserved by the oil depletion allowance, ran the the Del Charro Hotel  in La Jolla, California. The Del Charro was not run for profit.  Hotel “guests” generally didn’t pay for food or lodging.

The frequent guests were all power figures like J. Edgar Hoover (Director of the FBI), Carlos Mossello (New Orleans Mafia head), Richard Nixon (who lost the 1960 presidential election to Kennedy), Bobby Baker (Johnson’s right hand man and secretary of the US Senate), a wealthy man named D.H. Byrd (the owner of the Texas Book Depository) and Edward Clark, a politician and lobbyist (for Murchison) who came to be known as the “arranger”. Another guest was William K. Harvey, a former FBI man who worked with the CIA’s foreign assassination projects.

Suite 8F Group
Suite 8F helped to coordinate the political activities of other right-wing politicians and businessmen based in the South. This included Robert Anderson (president of the Texas Mid-Continent Oil and Gas Association, Secretary of the Navy and Secretary of the Treasury), Robert Kerr (Kerr-McGee Oil Industries), Billie Sol Estes (entrepreneur in the cotton industry), Glenn McCarthy (McCarthy Oil and Gas Company), Earl E. T. Smith (U.S. Sugar Corporation), Fred Korth (Continental National Bank and Navy Secretary), Ross Sterling (Humble Oil), Sid Richardson (Texas oil millionaire), Clint Murchison (Delhi Oil), Haroldson L. Hunt (Placid Oil), Eugene B. Germany (Mustang Oil Company), David Harold Byrd (Byrd Oil Corporation), Lawrence D. Bell (Bell Helicopters), William Pawley (business interests in Cuba), Gordon McLendon (KLIF), George Smathers (Finance Committee and businessman), Richard Russell (chairman of the Committee of Manufactures, Committee on Armed Forces and Committee of Appropriations), James Eastland (chairman Judiciary Committee), Benjamin Everett Jordan (chairman of the Senate Rules Committee), Fred Black (political lobbyist and Serve-U Corporation) and Bobby Baker (political lobbyist and Serve-U Corporation).

In 1955 Lyndon B. Johnson became majority leader of the Senate. Johnson and Richard Russell now had complete control over all the important Senate committees. This was proving to be an expensive business. The money used to bribe these politicians came from Russell’s network of businessmen. These were men usually involved in the oil and armaments industries.

According to John Connally, large sums of money was given to Johnson throughout the 1950s for distribution to his political friends. “I handled inordinate amounts of cash”. A great deal of this came from oilmen. Cornel Wilde worked for the Gulf Oil Corporation. In 1959 he took over from David Searls as chief paymaster to Johnson. He testified that he made regular payments of $10,000 to Walter Jenkins.

On the advice of Lyndon B. Johnson, Kennedy appointed John Connally as Secretary of the Navy. This was an important post as it controlled a great deal of federal spending, including the contract to provide oil to the US Navy. When Connally became Governor of Texas, Johnson arranged for fellow Texan, Fred Korth, to become the new Navy Secretary.

In November, 1963, Fred Korth was forced to resign as a result of accusations of corruption following the award of a $7 billion contract for a fighter plane, the TFX, to General Dynamics, a company based in Texas. Johnson could not afford to appoint another Texan in this post. Instead he selected Paul Nitze, the husband of Phyllis Pratt, a Standard Oil heiress.

The assassination of John F. Kennedy brought an end to this proposal to bring an end to the oil depletion allowance. The Suite 8F Group also did very well out of the escalation of the Vietnam War. They formed a new company called RMK-BRJ to obtain these contracts. This included Halliburton who took over Brown & Root in 1962. These contracts included building jet runways, dredging channels for ships, hospitals, prisons, communications facilities, and building American bases from Da Nang to Saigon. RMK-BRJ did 97% of the construction work in Vietnam. The other 3% went to local Vietnamese contractors. Between 1965 and 1972 Brown & Root (Halliburton) alone obtained revenues of $380 million from its work in Vietnam.

The Del Charro -- a melting pot of evil - by Dan Eden for Viewzone

The Del Charro was quid pro quo and provided a social atmosphere where organized crime, the FBI chief, big oil money and political power could mingle.


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The interesting Alsop brothers .... Joseph Alsop was gay but had just married Susan Mary nee Jay she knew he was gat too but didn't seem to mind.  Oh, everyone knew he was gay, so on this phone call when LBJ congratulates him on his marriage it's pretty strange. Both were closely connected with the CIA and were members of the Georgetown set.  So it's no surprise that LBJ calls Alsop with the news of the Warren Commission first to handle the press coverage.
LBJ and Joseph Alsop 11/29/1963. 7:00P.
Warren Commission: Telephone Conversation between President Johnson and Joseph Alsop.
Jacqueline Kennedy and President Kennedy arriving at the home of Joseph Alsop in 1961.

Susan Mary Alsop
( Stewart Alsop

( ( Joseph Alsop
Joseph Alsop Dies at Home at 78; Political Columnist Since the 30's
August 29, 1989

Joseph Alsop, the syndicated Washington columnist whose robust opinions appeared in newspapers around the country for five decades, died yesterday morning in his house in the Georgetown section of Washington. He was 78 years old.

Reached at his house, his sister-in-law Patricia Alsop - the widow of his brother and former collaborator, Stewart Alsop - said Joseph Alsop's death was caused by severe anemia, lung cancer and severe emphysema, all of which he had been fighting for more than a year.

Mr. Alsop, who was related to the Oyster Bay branch of the Roosevelt family, was a shrewd, dogged, well-connected newsman with an exaggerated old-school manner, and he dearly loved controversy.

He was a fierce supporter of the United States effort in Vietnam and, in the late 1950's, a champion of the view that the United States was letting the Soviet Union open a dangerous ''missile gap.''

Joseph Wright Alsop V (October 10, 1910 – August 28, 1989) was an American journalist and syndicated newspaper columnist from the 1930s through the 1970s ...  His mother was the niece of Theodore Roosevelt and was also related to President James Monroe...

The Alsops once described themselves as "Republicans by inheritance and registration, and...conservatives by political conviction."[4] Despite his identity as a conservative Republican, however, Alsop was an early supporter of the presidential ambitions of Democrat John F. Kennedy and became a close friend and influential adviser to Kennedy after his election in November 1960. Alsop was a vocal supporter of America's involvement in Vietnam, which led to bitter breaks with many of his liberal friends and a decline in the influence of his column.

Military service and CIA

Alsop entered the Navy and used his political connections to be assigned as Staff Historian to Claire Chennault's American Volunteer Group, later famous as the Flying Tigers,[5] while the group was training at Toungoo, Burma. While on a supply mission for Chennault in December 1941, Alsop was captured and interned at Hong Kong by the Japanese. Repatriated on the neutral liner Gripsholm, he rejoined Chennault in Kunming, China and served with him for the rest of the war.

Alsop also helped the Central Intelligence Agency in its intelligence gathering activities, using his status as a foreign correspondent as cover. In 1953, Alsop covered the Philippine elections at the CIA's request
Socialite Susan Mary Alsop Dies
D.C. Hostess Hobnobbed With Presidents, Prime Ministers
Thursday, August 19, 2004

Susan Mary Alsop, 86, the grand dame of Washington society whose Georgetown dinner parties epitomized the nexus of political power and social arrival in the 1960s, died Aug. 18 of complications from pneumonia at her home.

Mrs. Alsop's dining room was considered the absolute center of Georgetown's social scene at a time when President John F. Kennedy's arrival energized the once-sleepy capital. Her guests were the witty, the accomplished and the credentialed from the worlds of politics, media and diplomacy, and they used the opportunity to strike alliances, argue foreign affairs and bargain over the nation's fortunes

As the descendant of one of America's first families (she was a Jay, as in John Jay, the first chief justice of the United States), she grew up privileged and firmly a member of the most elite Eastern Establishment circles.
Patten died in 1960, after years of battling emphysema. She married his college roommate, columnist Joseph Alsop, the next year, and moved to Washington, apparently with full knowledge that he was gay. She said he was a good stepfather to her daughter and son, Bill Patten, although memoirs from the period say he treated her rudely in public.
The Assassination of John F. Kennedy  >
Joseph Alsop
Alsop lived in Washington where he associated with a group of journalists, politicians and government officials that became known as the Georgetown Set.

This included Frank Wisner, George Kennan, Dean Acheson, Richard Bissell, Desmond FitzGerald, Joseph Alsop, Stewart Alsop, Tracy Barnes, Philip Graham, David Bruce, Clark Clifford, Walt Rostow, Eugene Rostow, Chip Bohlen, Cord Meyer, Richard Helms, Desmond FitzGerald, Frank Wisner, James Angleton, William Averill Harriman, John McCloy, Felix Frankfurter, John Sherman Cooper, James Reston, Allen W. Dulles and Paul Nitze.

Most men brought their wives to these gatherings. Members of what was later called the Georgetown Ladies' Social Club included Katharine Graham, Mary Pinchot Meyer, Sally Reston, Polly Wisner, Joan Braden, Lorraine Cooper, Evangeline Bruce, Avis Bohlen, Janet Barnes, Tish Alsop, Cynthia Helms, Marietta FitzGerald, Phyllis Nitze and Annie Bissell.

Alsop worked closely with the CIA. According to Carl Bernstein: "In 1953, Joseph Alsop, then one of America’s leading syndicated columnists, went to the Philippines to cover an election. He did not go because he was asked to do so by his syndicate. He did not go because he was asked to do so by the newspapers that printed his column. He went at the request of the CIA. Alsop is one of more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty-five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters."
In 1957, during his first and only visit to the Soviet Union, Joe was entrapped by the KGB in a Moscow hotel room. According to Evan Thomas: "Alsop foolishly allowed himself to be caught in a honey trap by the KGB on a trip to Moscow in 1957. The Russians took photos of Alsop in the midst of a homosexual act with a KGB agent and tried to blackmail him into becoming an agent." Edwin Yoder has argued in his book, Joe Alsop's Cold War: A Study of Journalistic Influence and Intrigue (1995), that the existence of these photographs did not stop Alsop from continuing to denounce the Soviet Union. However, twelve years later Alsop discovered that the photographs had come into the possession of J. Edgar Hoover.
Frances Stonor Saunders, the author of Who Paid the Piper: The CIA and the Cultural Cold War? (1999) has argued that a high-level CIA official told her that Stewart Alsop was a "CIA agent". Saunders discussed this issue with Joseph Alsop. He dismissed this claim as "absolute nonsense" but admitted that both men were very close to the agency: "I was closer to the Agency than Stew was, though Stew was very close... I dare say he did perform some tasks - he did the correct thing as an American... The Founding Fathers of the CIA were close personal friends of ours... It was a social thing. I have never received a dollar, I never signed a secrecy agreement. I didn't have to... I've done things for them when I thought they were the right thing to do. I call it doing my duty as a citizen... The CIA did not open itself at all to people it did not trust... Stew and I were trusted, and I'm proud of it."
American History  >
Journalists  >
Stewart Alsop
After the United States entered the Second World War Alsop was rejected by the United States Army because of high blood pressure. Desperate to play his part he went to England and joined the British Army. While serving in the army he met and married Patricia Hankey. Alsop eventually joined the Special Operations Executive (SOE).

In July 1944, Stewart Alsop and Thomas Braden went to work with Allen Dulles at the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Soon afterwards he was parachuted into the Périgord region of France to aid the French Resistance. Alsop later recalled: "Going behind enemy lines, according to the rules of warfare, is not a task which one man can command another to do. Perhaps one tenth of the men who were in OSS saw service behind the lines, but all of them who did so volunteered to do so, and the volunteers knew no bounds of money or political belief." Alsop was later awarded the Croix de Guerre for his work. After the war Alsop co-wrote with Braden a history of the OSS called Sub Rosa: The O.S.S. and American Espionage (1946).

Frances Stonor Saunders, the author of Who Paid the Piper: The CIA and the Cultural Cold War? (1999) has pointed out: "In long exchanges, heated by intellectual passion and alcohol, their vision of a new world order began to take shape. Internationalist, abrasive, competitive, these men had an unshakeable belief in their value system, and in their duty to offer it to others. They were the patricians of the modern age, the paladins of democracy, and saw no contradiction in that. This was the elite which ran American foreign policy and shaped legislation at home. Through think-tanks to foundations, directorates to membership of gentlemen's clubs, these mandarins were interlocked by their institutional affiliations and by a shared belief in their own superiority."

The Assassination of John F. Kennedy  >
Thomas Braden
Braden was recruited into Special Operations Executive (SOE) and in 1944, along with Stewart Alsop he went to work with Allen Dulles at the Office of Strategic Services (OSS).
Braden oversaw the funding of groups such as the National Student Association, the Congress of Cultural Freedom, Communications Workers of America, the American Newspaper Guild and the National Educational Association. According to Braden, the CIA was putting around $900,000 a year into the Congress of Cultural Freedom. Some of this money was used to publish its journal, Encounter.

Braden and the IOD also worked closely with anti-Communist leaders of the trade union movement such as George Meany of the Congress for Industrial Organization and the American Federation of Labor. This was used to fight Communism inits own ranks. As Braden said: "The CIA could do exactly as it pleased. It could buy armies. It could buy bombs. It was one of the first worldwide multinationals."
According to Warren Hinckle and William Turner (Deadly Secrets), in 1963 Braden advised Robert Kennedy: "Why don't you just go on a crusade to find out about the murder of your brother?". Kennedy shook his head and said it was too horrible to think about and that he decided to just accept the findings of the Warren Commission.
JFK Conspiracy: The bullet hole in the Windshield
by Jim Fetzer
The Windshield Bullet Hole Witnesses
Lincoln limousine being stripped down and rebuilt at Ford on Monday, 25 November 1963, just three days later
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on November 29, 2013, 07:58:02 pm (

I JUST STARTED READING THIS BOOK (ON PG 49). THIS IS EXTREMELY INTERESTING! A MUST READ! After only 49 pgs, it already shows Oswald was a patsy!

More on Eyewitness James Tague who was recently interviewed on the Alex Jones Radio show: (
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 30, 2013, 11:08:01 am
Seems rather odd - just a week after Kennedy has been murdered - it's all smiles for the Presidential family portrait.... 11-30-1963
L-R: Lady Bird Johnson, President Lyndon B. Johnson, Lynda Bird Jonson, and Luci Baines Johnson

Photograph, President Johnson family portrait, 11/30/1963, W16-16, White House Photo Office, LBJ Presidential Library, accessed November 30, 2013

DAILY DIARY 11-30-63
Jack Joseph Valenti (September 5, 1921 – April 26, 2007)
After earning an M.B.A. from Harvard University in 1948, Valenti went to work for Humble Oil in its advertising department, where he helped the company's Texas gas stations jump from fifth to first in sales through a "cleanest restrooms" campaign.[1]
Valenti served as liaison with the news media during the November 22, 1963 visit of President John F. Kennedy and Vice-President Lyndon B. Johnson to Dallas, Texas, and Valenti was in the presidential motorcade. Following the assassination of President Kennedy, Valenti was present in the famous photograph of Lyndon Johnson's swearing in aboard Air Force One, and flew with the new president to Washington. He then became the first "special assistant" to Johnson's White House and lived in the White House for the first two months of Johnson's presidency

Jack Valenti: Before I first went up [to Washington] . . . on that terrible trip back from Dallas, the President had called me over and said, “I want you on my staff, and you are going to fly back with me.” Before we even took off, he said this. I said two dumb things. The first was, “I don’t have any clothes, Mr. President.”

He said, “You can go buy some.”

And the second thing was, “I don’t have a place to live.” That was really a mistake. He said, “You can live with me until Mary Margaret [Valenti’s wife] gets there.”

I thought it was very gracious of him and very loving and fine. Eleven days after he was president, he moved into the White House and put me up on the third floor. Being within arm’s distance from Lyndon Johnson meant that you were with him every hour of the day, and the days were long and the nights were short. He would call me at about five thirty in the morning:

“Well, what are you doing?” What am I doing? . . . “Well,” he said, “get out of bed. Come on. We have work to do.” And I groggily would find my way down at six o’clock in the morning. And about one o’clock the next morning it would be over, and then it started again at five-thirty in the morning.

I got down on my knees and thanked God for liberating me when my wife finally got up here and we went to an apartment to live in and I left that White House, away from the all-embracing impact of that man.

Valenti had worked for Humble Oil which was run by Billy Byars:
12:35 PM (Nov. 22, 1963)

The phone log for J. Edgar Hoover on this day shows that, aside from calls to RFK and the head of the Secret Service, Hoover called only one man on the afternoon the President is shot: Billy Byars.

Within four days, the FBI will receive a tip-off that Clint Murchison and Tom Webb - the FBI veteran the millionaire has hired at Hoover’s suggestion - are both acquainted with Jack Ruby. While they deny it, Ruby has met one of Murchison’s best friends, Humble Oil millionaire Billy Byars. Hoover and Byars are close. They use adjacent bungalows at Murchison’s California hotel each summer. O&C

[ Strangely  Billy Byars Sr. adopted a son Billy Byars Jr. who went on to produce  pornographic films and was a friend of J Edgar Hoover: ],_Jr.

Billy Byars, Jr. (1936-), owner of Lyric International, producer of The Genesis Children, partner to pornographer Guy Strait, friend of J. Edgar Hoover, key figure in "the first child pornography ring ... brought to public view", perpetual footnote in Kennedy assassination theories, is a fascinating figure.

And also a public figure, which permits his discussion here. Mr. Byars is of primary interest here as the owner of Lyric. Many of Lyric's reputedly 90 magazines and many movies still circulate on the Internet. Photographed by Harlan 'Slim' Pfeiffer, many were filmed in Mr. Byars's home - also the Lyric studio - and around the pool with the cinderblock walls in his backyard. While Lyric's films featured extensive nudity of boys and young men, Lyric produced only "physique" photography and never pornography. However, two of the "Lyric boys" who played around Byars's pool later found their way into the bed - or at least the limousine - of the Director of the FBI.

Billy Goebel Byars, Jr. was born in Texas in August, 1936 and adopted through the Edna Gladney Foundation in Fort Worth by oil man Billy Byars, Sr. and his wife, Emily.[Viola Hegyi Swisher, "Generating The Genesis Children", After Dark, September 1972, p. 18].,_Sr.

Billy Byars, Sr. (1901-1965) was the father of Billy Byars, Jr., owner of prominent naturist publisher Lyric International, and producer of the feature film The Genesis Children.

The elder Byars was a Texas oil man, sometimes referred to as "Humble Oil millionaire Billy Byars.”[Anthony Summers, Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover. New York: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1993, p. 329]. A history through 1948 of Humble Oil (which changed its name to Exxon in 1973) lists not a single Byars among the founders, officers, or executives. [Larson, Henrietta M. and Porter, Kenneth Wiggins. History of Humble Oil & Refining Company; a study in industrial growth, New York, Harper, 1959]. Whatever his Humble connection, there is no question that Byars was a prominent oilman, and even a small part of Exxon is a very large thing. There is a Northeast Byars Oil Field in Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma, latitude 34.93222 Longitude: -96.98639.[[1]]

In an interview, Byars, Jr. the interviewer described his late father as "a Tyler, Texas wildcatter" and a friend of presidents and of Pancho Villa. She says "Starting with nothing, Byars, Sr. became a millionaire at twenty, went broke at twenty-one and hit millionaire status again by age twenty-five."[[Viola Hegyi Swisher, Generating "The Genesis Children" , After Dark September 1972, p. 18]]. Mr Byars adopted his son Billy, Jr, in 1936 and the next year, in the midst of the Depression, built a very substantial house in Tyler, Texas, where he was to live until his death in 1965 [2]. He also owned a the Byars Royal Oaks Farm in Tyler, where he raised Black Angus cattle. [Eisenhower papers, infra]. The NY Times index lists no obituary.

Billy Byars, Sr. was a friend of J. Edgar Hoover. Summers says,
"Byars was close to Edgar. They used adjacent bungalows at [Texas oilman Cliff] Murchison's California hotel each summer. The phone log for the Director’s office shows that, aside from calls to Robert Kennedy and the head of the Secret Service, Hoover called only one man on the afternoon the President was shot – Billy Byars."
Byars had also met Jack Ruby, who would kill Lee Harvey Oswald. [Summers, supra, p. 329]

Byars was one of Lyndon Johnson’s financial backers when the Texas Senator sought the Presidential nomination in 1960. [Summers, ibid, p 263]
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 30, 2013, 11:22:08 am
LBJ was one traitorous, cruel S.O.B.
 JFK, Gulf of Tonkin FF, SS Liberty massacre, Vietnam 60,000 USA & 300,000 Vietnamese slaughtered.$$$$$$$$$.
 Strange, but it's human nature- most folks deep down know the truth, they just don't want to face it, lock it way in that dark closet of their minds and wiggle the Ole flag.                                 The  Bubble syndrome.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 30, 2013, 11:55:13 am
LBJ was one traitorous, cruel S.O.B.
 JFK, Gulf of Tonkin FF, SS Liberty massacre, Vietnam 60,000 USA & 300,000 Vietnamese slaughtered.$$$$$$$$$.
 Strange, but it's human nature- most folks deep down know the truth, they just don't want to face it, lock it way in that dark closet of their minds and wiggle the Ole flag.                                 The  Bubble syndrome.

For years I kept my doubts up that he was part of the murder but now I believe he had to be in on it. He had to have had prior knowledge and sought to immediately begin covering up evidence. Also in the car with Kennedy was supposed to be sitting with Yarborough not Connally ! So LBJ's pal (Connally) would NOT have been shot that day had things gone exactly to plan:   
" LBJ was furious with this arrangement ... he demanded that Connally sit next to him and Yarborough sit with Kennedy "
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on November 30, 2013, 05:30:36 pm
Hi T.
I watched a show today, history channel about the JFK murder, 71% of Americans believe it was a conspiracy.
 That said, what is the effect nationally,      FEAR.
The elites grabbed the crown and are proud ( ego tripping ) of the fact they got away with it leaving the GP knowing anyone who gets in their way, presidential or commoner is dead meat.
  Just about any human being with SOUL , integrity who can make a difference is walking on enemy territory. This may sound a tad off base but I'm confident you will agree. Who killed Christ? Was it really P.Pilot, UH UH, he was motivated by the Sanhedrin, the big dogs.
 JC threatend their base of power, he shined, therefor his light had to be put out.
  Not saying JFK was a Christ, simply the fact any soul full human with a tad of influence is at risk.
Our congress may have a few poodles around barking, ya know the appearance of dissent is allowed, but ignored. The slobs on the hill know if they go to far they will end up taking a dirt nap.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Freebird100 on November 30, 2013, 10:02:12 pm
In 1959, the 18 year old son of I.B. Hale was cleared by a Coroner's Jury in the shotgun death of his 16 year old pregnant wife, Kathleen, who was the daughter of John Connolly. The jury found that Kathleen Hale was killed by the accidental discharge of a 20 gauge shotgun.
The charge that killed her entered behind Kathleen's right ear. What the...?
The story he told was jumbled and almost uncoherent. He said they had  quarreled, Kathleen had walked out, he had gone looking for her but did
 not find her, and that when he had returned to the apartment she was  sitting in a chair with his loaded shotgun pointed at her head, with her
 finger on the trigger.
 At the coroner's inquest he said that she told him, "Bobby, I am sick in  my mind and I need help, I know now that no one can help me." He said he
 tried to talk to her into putting the gun down, but she kept threatening  to use it. He grab for it, he said, and the gun went off." "

 "Exactly what happened in that room, what was said, and what was done,  we will never be completely sure.""
Misfortunes followed. The Assassination of President Kennedy, at less  than an arms length, the bribery trial, the bankruptcy �All were
 traumatic, devastating, and ate away at the soul. 
 "However sad so grievous, none of these can equal the burden of sorrow  we will carry with us to the grave over the death of Kathleen. This is
 the first time I have ever discussed it in any detail, and it will also  be the last."

 John Connally.

So his daughter was married to the son of IB Hale , hmmm..."

Take a look at his bio.
Robert Allan "Bobby" Hale (April 7, 1941 – May 26, 2008), variously known as Papa Pilgrim and Sunstar, was an American criminal who mentally, physically, and sexually abused his wife and 15 children in the Alaskan wilderness.

Early life

Robert Allan Hale was the son of FBI agent Insall Bailey "I. B." Hale and Virginia Kingsbery Hale of Fortune Road, Fort Worth, Texas.[1][2][3][4] Warren Commission exhibit CE 1891[5] states that Virginia Hale of Fortune Road, employed in the Fort Worth office of the Texas Employment Commission, sent Lee Harvey Oswald to the Leslie Welding Company for work in July 1962. Oswald and Hale had gone to school together at Arlington Heights High School and knew each other.

In April 1959, Hale was cleared by a Florida Coroner's Jury of responsibility related to the shooting death of his 16-year-old wife of only 44 days, Kathleen Connally "K.K." Hale (daughter of future Texas Governor, John Connally).[6] Kathleen was pregnant and the couple eloped to Ardmore, Oklahoma. They were married on March 16, 1959, and moved to Tallahassee, Florida where Hale found work for a boating company and K.K. worked at a ten-cent store.[7] The couple was living in a small apartment for a month, when Kathleen was killed by an accidental 20 gauge shotgun blast below her right ear.
Other legal troubles and death

On August 7, 1962, before living in Alaska, Hale and his twin brother "Billy" Hale were observed by an FBI agent as they burglarized the Los Angeles apartment of Judith Exner, who claimed to be a mistress of President John F. Kennedy.[8][9]

In 1974, Robert Hale (then going by the name "Sunstar") met 16-year-old Kurina Rose Bresler in the California desert. She would later call herself "Country Rose" and bear Hale 15 children.[10] Hale had gained notoriety through his family's iconoclastic lifestyle. A self-proclaimed devout Christian, Hale moved his family of 17 to Alaska from New Mexico in 1998 and kept them isolated from nearly all outside influences, including churches.

In 2002, Hale launched a legal battle with the National Parks Service over his plan to bulldoze a road to his 410-acre ranch ("Hillbilly Heaven") inside the remote Wrangell-St. Elias National Park, near the small town of McCarthy, Alaska.[11] He lost his case at the US Court of Appeals (9th Cir., San Francisco). He appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, and the Court refused to hear it.

In 2005, family members told police that Hale had routinely beaten and raped his eldest daughter for years. He was incarcerated in September 2007 and died eight months later on May 26, 2008. He was a diabetic and had been in poor health since at least 2006.[12]

In 2013 a book was published by Tom Kizzia titled Pilgrim's Wilderness: A True Story of Faith and Madness on the Alaska Frontier, chronicling Hale's life with a focus on his time in McCarthy.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 01, 2013, 12:35:52 pm
Yes the Hale Brothers whose dad works "security" for General Dynamics  .... f111 contract etc ....

 June 5 1963 - Clifton C. Carter,  Homer Thornberry,  Fred Korth, John Connally all LBJ cronies meet to discuss the "trip to Dallas"
On 5th June, 1963, Homer Thornberry attended a meeting with John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, John Connally, Fred Korth and Clifton C. Carter at the Cortez Hotel in El Paso, to discuss the president's forthcoming trip to Dallas. Thornberry was in the presidential motorcade with Johnson when Kennedy was assassinated.
Lyndon B. Johnson Recording 6311.06; November 1963, Tape 6 (November 1963)
Lyndon B. Johnson Recording 6312.01; December 1963, Tape 1 (December 1963)
December 1, 1963 - President Lyndon B. Johnson visits John F. Kennedy's grave at Arlington

Published on Nov 30, 2013  

President Lyndon B. Johnson carries a Bouquet of red roses to the grave of president Kennedy in Arlington National Cemetery. Mrs. Johnson is beside him and their daughters Lucy Baines and Lynda Bird are in background. A honor guard salutes. The Chief Executive and members of his family visited the gravesite in Arlington National Cemetery after attending church service at St. Mark's Episcopal Church.
Abraham Zapruder and Jeanne LeGon
Lyndon Baines Johnson's personal secretary, Marie Fehmer, who flew back to Washington on Air Force One with LBJ on 11-22-1963, just happens to be the daughter of Olga Fehmer, currently living in Tyler, Texas. Olga Fehmer ALSO worked at Nardis of Dallas with Abraham Zapruder and Jean LeGon DeMohrenshildt.

Quick Review:

Olga Fehmer, the mother of LBJ's future personal secretary, (Marie) worked closely with the man who would later capture the assassination on film: Abraham Zapruder, in the same city of Dallas.

George DeMohrenschildt's future wife Jeanne LeGon, also worked at NARDIS of Dallas, the city in which LHO's best friend and rabid anti-communist White Russian, George DeMohrenshildt - would convince Lee Oswald and his White Russian wife, Marina, to eventually reside.

The Oswald's spent time together in the Soviet Union during their "courtship" -- much if not most of that time was spent in the city of Minsk, which is where George DeMohrenshildt and his brother, Demitri Von Mohrenschildt, grew up, after fleeing the place of their birth, Mozyr, which was often mistakenly thought to have been a part of Poland.

Abraham Zapruder's co-worker, Jeanne LeGon and her husband George DeMohrenschildt introduced Lee Oswald to the daughter of one of George DeMohrenshildt's close friends, Ruth Paine.

Ruth Paine's husband , Michael, whose step-father, Arthur Young collaborated with none other than Lyndon Baines Johnson's personal pilot, Joseph Mashman, to develop "BELL" helicopter (Fort Worth, Texas), was employed by Bell at the time of the assassination. 3,000-5,000 BELL helicopters were lost in Viet Nam and BELL's stockholders made a fortune replacing them.

In September of 1976, George DeMohrenschildt was subjected to 9 electro-shock treatments at Parkland Hospital under the order given by one, Doctor DeLoach ... first cousin of FBI Assisstant Director Cartha D. "Deke" DeLoach.

His "doctor of record", Dr. Mendoza, ordered the administration of intravenous "drugs" upon DeMohrenschildt's being committed to Parkland Hospital for, "mental problems" - but, it was DeLoach that ordered the Electro-Shock Therapy.

This episode occurred during the time that George Bush was the Director of Central Intelligence and within weeks of DeMohrenshildt's having written a manuscript for a book entitled, "I Am A Patsy! I Am A Patsy!" which named names of various CIA and FBI personnel who framed Oswald to cover their tracks in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

There is an "extant" version of this manuscript floating around the net [which is possibly a creation of a good forgerer like E. H. HUNT].

On March 29, 1977... the same day DeMohrenschildt agreed to an interview with the HSCA, George DeMohrenschildt was found dead of a shotgun blast through his mouth by his daughter, Alexandra. His death was ruled a suicide.
Cartha "Deke" DeLoach (July 20, 1920 – March 13, 2013) was deputy director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of the United States, in which post he was the third most senior official in the FBI after J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson.
Mr. DeLoach retired from the bureau in 1970, on his 50th birthday. According to a syndicated column that year by Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, there was some relief within the FBI because of Mr. DeLoach’s perceived “right-wing bias and blatant opportunism.” He then became a vice president of corporate affairs for Pepsi¬Co but continued to consult occasionally with the FBI for years.
In 1970, DeLoach retired from the FBI and became vice president of corporate affairs for PepsiCo, Inc.
PepsiCo, Inc. - Frito-Lay North America, Inc. (Main Office)

PepsiCo, Inc.
P.O. Box 660634
Dallas, TX 75266 -0634
April 23 1963 -

April 23, 1963: Marina Oswald moves in with Mrs. Ruth Paine in Irving.
Also on this day, Vice President Johnson announces that JFK will visit Texas in the near future.
LBJ also addresses the heavy criticism in Dallas about JFK, saying the president is only the pilot for the nation.
He also adds ‘At least wait until November before you shoot him down. (BM&P)

Initially, JFK decides to go to Texas in the fall of 1963 to attend a dinner given in honor of Congressman Albert Thomas. I think there is universal agreement on that. However, it's still unknown exactly when the idea originated to have this dinner for Thomas and when the invitation was given to JFK. I went to the JFK Library and researched the Jerry Bruno papers. Jerry Bruno was JFK's advance man. He wrote a small book called "The Advanceman". That book, Mr. Bruno, and of course his papers at the JFK Library are essential for an understanding of this topic.

We first hear about JFK coming to Texas in an April 23rd announcement by LBJ given in Dallas for the Second Annual NASA Manned Space Flight Conference. "The April 24th, 1963 edition of the Dallas Times Herald is headlined, "LBJ sees Kennedy Dallas Visit - One Day Texas Tour Eyed."

Lbj and Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy: A Coalescence of Interests
 By Joseph P. Farrell -   Plans finalized Cortez Hotel El PASO  (,+1963+Vice+President+Johnson++JFK+will+visit+Texas&source=bl&ots=qO-D--fC0X&sig=LrJ4xj2OAbxcQuB-eApHDv_p3MA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YpKbUvKNLs_coASq3ILIBA&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=April%2023%2C%201963%20Vice%20President%20Johnson%20%20JFK%20will%20visit%20Texas&f=false)


Murder from Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy
 By Fred T. Newcomb, Perry Adam
The April 18, 21, 23 and 24, 1963, editions of the "Dallas Times Herald" contain articles concerning the visit of the Vice President LYNDON D . JOHNSON, to Dallas, Texas, for the second Annual NASA Manned Space Flight Conference . The Vice President delivered the major address at this Conference on April 23, 1963 . According to the articles, Mr . JOHNSON arrived in Dallas before Noon on April 23, 1963 and departed Dallas later that same day .

The April 24, 1963, edition of the "Dallas Time Herald" is headlined, "LBJ Sees Kennedy Dallas Visit - One-Day Texas Tour~ Eyed ."

This article reflects that "President KENNEDY may visit Dallas and other major Texas cities this summer, Vice President LYNDON B . JOHNSON said during his whirlwind visit here .

The Vice President said he hopes President KENNEDY's schedule will permit him to attend a breakfast in Ft. Wortb, a luncheon in Dallas, an afternoon tea in San Antonio and a dinner in Houston on a  one-day visit to Texas in the near future .

Mr . JOHNSON mentioned the possibility of the presidential visit during an hour-long session with executives of the Times Herald and KRLD-AM-FM and TV Tuesday afternoon ."

Possibly what started it all:  the mysterious death of Henry Marshall
Marshall Murder Case

Robertson County grand jurors, probing the mysterious death of Henry Marshall, a figure in the Billie Sol Estes case, examine the area of Marshall's death site on his 1,200-acre farm near Franklin, Tex., May 24, 1962. Markers show where Marshall was found dead on June 3, 1961, with 5 bullet wounds in his body. His death was ruled a suicide. Dr. J.A., Jachimczyk, a Houston pathologist conducting an autopsy, said after preliminary examination he believed Marshall did not commit suicide. (AP Photo)
In 1960 Henry Marshall was asked by the Agricultural Adjustment Administration to investigate the activities of Billie Sol Estes. Marshall discovered that over a two year period, Estes had purchased 3,200 acres of cotton allotments from 116 different farmers. Marshall wrote to his superiors in Washington on 31st August, 1960, that: "The regulations should be strengthened to support our disapproval of every case (of allotment transfers)".
On 3rd June, 1961, Marshall was found dead on his farm by the side of his Chevy Fleetside pickup truck. His rifle lay beside him. He had been shot five times with his own rifle. Soon after County Sheriff Howard Stegall arrived, he decreed that Marshall had committed suicide. No pictures were taken of the crime scene, no blood samples were taken of the stains on the truck (the truck was washed and waxed the following day), no check for fingerprints were made on the rifle or pickup.
. Tommy G. McWilliams, the FBI agent in charge of the Henry Marshall investigation, came to the conclusion that Marshall had indeed committed suicide. He wrote: "My theory was that he shot himself and then realized he wasn't dead." He then claimed that he then tried to kill himself by inhaling carbon monoxide from the exhaust pipe of his truck. McWilliams claimed that Marshall had used his shirt to make a hood over the exhaust pipe. Even J. Edgar Hoover was not impressed with this theory. He wrote on 21st May, 1962: "I just can't understand how one can fire five shots at himself."

After the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Carter became Johnson's chief fundraiser. He was officially executive director of the Democratic National Committee. Johnson sold $1,000 memberships to the Johnson Club with the pitch: "Members are assured of a direct relationship with President Johnson".

In 1966 Carter was forced to resign as executive director of the Democratic National Committee after questions were raised about his fundraising techniques.
Homer Thornberry was born in Austin, Texas, on 9th January, 1909. His parents were teachers in the State School for the Deaf. Thornberry himself attended Austin High School. According to Alfred Steinberg (Sam Johnson's Boy) Thornberry became friends with Lyndon B. Johnson in the early 1920s
On 5th June, 1963, Thornberry attended a meeting with John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, John Connally, Fred Korth and Clifton C. Carter at the Cortez Hotel in El Paso, to discuss the president's forthcoming trip to Dallas. Thornberry was in the presidential motorcade with Johnson when Kennedy was assassinated.

A few days after the assassination Johnson phoned Homer Thornberry and invited him to "come down and have a drink with me". The two men had two meetings in December, 1963. In a taped White House conversation on 17th December, 1963, Lyndon Johnson admitted that he went to parties held at the house of Bobby Baker with Homer Thornberry and Walter Jenkins. On 20th December, Thornberry resigned his congressional seat. The following day Johnson appointed Thornberry as U.S. District Court Judge for the Western District of Texas. This enabled him to replace R. E. Thompson as the judge in the case of Richard Case Nagell.

Nagell admitted that he was working for theCentral Intelligence Agency as a double agent. This involved becoming an activist in the American Communist Party. Nagell also claimed he was involved in monitoring a group of Cuban exiles plotting against Fidel Castro. In 1963 Nagell discovered that this group was planning to assassinating John F. Kennedy while making it appear that it had been ordered by Castro. When he told the KGB they ordered him to warn Lee Harvey Oswald about what was happening. Nagell also claimed he told the FBI and CIA about the plot. In September, 1963, Nagell walked into a bank in El Paso, Texas, and fired two shots into the ceiling and then waited to be arrested. Nagell claimed he did this to isolate himself from the assassination plot.
According to Nagell, when he recovered he began working for theCentral Intelligence Agency as a double agent. This involved becoming an activist in the American Communist Party. This included distributing Marxist propaganda in Mexico.

Nagell also claimed he was involved in monitoring a group of Cuban exiles plotting against Fidel Castro. In 1963 Nagell discovered that this group was planning to assassinating John F. Kennedy while making it appear that it had been ordered by Castro. When he told the KGB they ordered him to warn Lee Harvey Oswald about what was happening. Nagell also claimed he warned the FBI and CIA about the plot.

In September, 1963, Nagell walked into a bank in El Paso, Texas, and fired two shots into the ceiling and then waited to be arrested. Nagell claimed he did this to isolate himself from the assassination plot. This was successful and Nagell was charged with armed robbery and ended up spending the next five years in prison.

On his release Nagell told Jim Garrison about his knowledge of the assassination of John F. Kennedy . He claimed that David Ferrie, Guy Banister, and Clay Shaw were involved in this plot with Lee Harvey Oswald. However, Garrison decided against using him as a witness in the court-case against Shaw.
Yellow Roses by Dave Reitzes

In 1961, State Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation official Henry Marshall was investigating a broad series of fraudulent government
subsidies -- amounting to figures in the seven or eight digit range -- allotted to Billie Sol Estes, a close personal friend of Senate Majority
Leader then Vice-President Lyndon B. Johnson. Marshall had uncovered a paper trail that was leading him closer and closer to Johnson himself.

On June 3, 1961, Mac Wallace knocked Henry Marshall unconscious with a blunt object, fed the unconscious man carbon monoxide from a hose
attached to Wallace's pick-up truck, then shot him five times with a bolt-action .22 caliber rifle and dumped him in a remote corner of
Marshall's farm near Franklin, Texas
. Justice of the Peace Lee Farmer pronounced the death a suicide and ordered Marshall buried without an
autopsy -- over the protests of Marshall's widow. The verdict remained unchanged until 1984, when Billie Sol Estes, under a grant of immunity,
told a grand jury that Wallace had been Marshall's killer, and that the order came from Vice-President Lyndon B. Johnson through White House aide
Cliff Carter.

Based on Estes' testimony and supporting evidence, the grand jury changed the earlier ruling of suicide to murder. Mac Wallace
could not be indicted; he died in an automobile accident in Pittsburgh, Texas, on January 7, 1971
On 9th August, 1984, Estes' lawyer, Douglas Caddy, wrote to Stephen S. Trott at the U.S. Department of Justice. In the letter Caddy claimed that Estes, Lyndon B. Johnson, Mac Wallace and Clifton C. Carter had been involved in the murders of Henry Marshall, George Krutilek, Harold Orr, Ike Rogers, Coleman Wade, Josefa Johnson, John Kinser and John F. Kennedy.

Caddy added: "Mr. Estes is willing to testify that LBJ ordered these killings, and that he transmitted his orders through Cliff Carter to Mac Wallace, who executed the murders."
Billie Sol Estes died at his home in Granbury, Texas, on 13th May 2013.
The LBJ Robot - By mac White
In Blood, Power, and Money, McClellan presents evidence linking Johnson to the Kennedy assassination. Mac Wallace's fingerprints, for instance, were found on a box on the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. McClellan also traces the money trail from Texas oil barons Clint Murchison and H. L. Hunt, who financed the assassination, to Johnson lawyer Ed Clark, who organized it.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 01, 2013, 08:47:44 pm
It's interesting that April 10, 1963 Gen. Edwin Walker was targeted supposedly by Pro-castro "commies" but lived to tell the tale. So this set up the JFK assassination scenario later in the year.  Stanley Kubrick's movie Dr. Strangelove's main character General Ripper played by Sterling Hayden was modeled on Edwin Walker. The movie first screening was made Nov 22 1963 but then the assassination delayed its release. Interesting also that Sterling Hayden was a real  OSS man and a true heavy.  

So of course Walker was not killed by Oswald , this was used as a setup for later.  

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Dr. Strangelove (4/8) Movie CLIP - Water and Commies (1964) HD

Ripper (Sterling Hayden) tells Mandrake (Peter Sellers) his views on why Communists don't drink water.
Gen. Jack D. Ripper (Sterling Hayden) calmly informs him that he gave the command to attack the Soviet Union because it was high time someone did something about fluoridation, which is sapping Americans' bodily fluids (and apparently has something to do with Ripper's sexual dysfunction).
The Kennedy assassination

A first test screening of the film was scheduled for November 22, 1963, the day of the John F. Kennedy assassination. The film was just weeks from its scheduled premiere, but because of the assassination the release was delayed until late January 1964, as it was felt that the public was in no mood for such a film any sooner
Gen. Edwin Walker, 83, Is Dead; Promoted Rightist Causes in 60's
Published: November 02, 1993

Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker, whose right-wing political activities led to an official rebuke and his resignation from the Army in 1961, died on Sunday at his home in Dallas. He was 83.

General Walker, a lanky, much-decorated Texan who led combat units in World War II and the Korean War, ended his 30-year Army career because, he said, he "could no longer serve in uniform and be a collaborator with the release of United States sovereignty to the United Nations."

On April 10, 1963, a sniper fired at him as he sat at his desk in his home. The bullet missed his head by about an inch.

In 1964, a commission headed by Chief Justice Earl Warren to investigate the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, identified the assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, as the same man who had fired at General Walker.
The issue that led to General Walker's resignation began in April 1961 when Overseas Weekly, a privately owned newspaper circulated among members of the armed forces overseas, accused the general of using an Army information program to subject his troops to "a propaganda barrage" that extolled the John Birch Society. General Walker was then commanding the 24th Infantry Division, based in West Germany.

The newspaper also reported that the general had publicly asserted that former President Harry S. Truman, Eleanor Roosevelt and former Secretary of State Dean Acheson were "definitely pink."

The report attracted widespread attention, and President Kennedy ordered an investigation into the matter. The general was relieved of his command while the inquiry was conducted.

In June 1961, the Army said the investigation showed that the general's information program was "not attributable to any program of the John Birch Society." But it admonished the general "for taking injudicious actions and for making derogatory public statements about prominent Americans."

He resigned on Nov. 2, 1961, contending that he "must be free from the power of little men who, in the name of my country, punish loyal service to it."


After leaving the Army in 1961, General Walker was outspoken in his criticism of the Kennedy Administration. He also became active in segregationist resistance efforts in the South and said civil rights demonstrations in Washington and in Austin, Tex., were "pro-Kennedy, pro-Communist and pro-Socialist."

In October 1962, after Federal marshals had put down riots at the University of Mississippi and forced the university to admit James H. Meredith, a black student, General Walker was arrested on a Federal warrant charging him with insurrection and seditious conspiracy. But a Federal grand jury failed to indict him and the charges were dropped.

In World War II, he led a special force of Americans and Canadians in the Aleutians, Italy and France. The unit, the Special Service Force, was trained for airborne, amphibious, mountain and ski operations; it fought at the Anzio beachhead in Italy and in the invasion of southern France.

He later commanded the 417th Infantry Regiment, attached to the Third Army, and at V-E Day he was commanding a special task unit in Oslo.

In the Korean War, he commanded the Third Infantry Division's Seventh Regiment and was senior adviser to the First Korean Corps. He later served as military adviser to Chiang Kai-shek of Nationalist China.

In October 1959 Major General Walker was appointed commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Europe and stationed in Augsburg, Germany. In April 1961 Walker was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature from the John Birch Society. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara relieved Walker of his command and announced an investigation into the affair. Kennedy was accused of trying to suppress the anti-Communist feelings of the military. Walker resigned from the army in protest about the way he had been treated.

In September 1961 Walker organized the protests against the enrollment of James Meredith at the University of Mississippi. Another incident the following year resulted in two reporters being killed. Attorney General Robert Kennedy responded by issuing a warrant for Walker's arrest on the charges of seditious conspiracy, insurrection, and rebellion.

Walker now became a leading figure in the fight against what he considered to be the liberal establishment. Based in Dallas, he gave many speeches around the country denouncing communism and liberalism. In February 1962 Walker stood for governor of Texas. Although he gained the support of Barry Goldwater, Walker finished last and John Connally went on to be governor [ Walker was support by HL Hunt ]
General Walker Comments on Kennedy State Dept

General Edwin A. Walker addresses The National Indignation Committee's annual meeting in Dallas, Texas in December, 1961. Walker accuses the Kennedy State Department of not admitting that Castro is a Communist.
In early 1962 Walker ran for governor of Texas, and lost to John Connally. Later that year, Walker was arrested for leading riots at Ole Miss in protest against admitting a black student, James Meredith, into the then-all-white university. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy ordered Walker committed to an insane asylum for a 90-day evaluation in response to the riots, but psychiatrist Thomas Szasz protested and Walker was released in five days. Attorney Robert Morris convinced a Mississippi grand jury not to indict Walker.
On 2 November 1961 he resigned from the army--which resulted in the forfeiture of his pension--claiming he needed to be free from outside control.

Walker settled in Dallas, Texas, where his conservative views found widespread support. With the financial support of the noted businessman H. L. Hunt, but with the discouragement of political professionals, Walker entered the Democratic primary for governor of Texas in February 1962. In April of that same year he testified before a special Senate subcommittee investigating charges that army officers were being silenced by the government. His rambling and nearly incoherent testimony disappointed even his supporters, and in the May gubernatorial primary Walker finished last of six candidates with less than 10 percent of the vote.
While a hero to many during his heyday, today he is more likely to be remembered as a possible model for such cinematic characters as Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper in Stanley Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. Walker never married and died at his home in Dallas of lung cancer.

Oh it's interesting too, that Tracy Reed played Christine Keeler off the Profumo Affair as a character in Strangelove
The Profumo Affair was a 1963 British political scandal named after John Profumo, Secretary of State for War. His affair with Christine Keeler, the reputed mistress of an alleged Russian spy, followed by lying in the House of Commons when he was questioned about it, forced the resignation of Profumo and damaged the reputation of Prime Minister Harold Macmillan's government. Macmillan himself resigned a few months later due to ill health.

( Christine Keeler  - ( Tracy Reed
Profumo affair: Christine Keeler comes clean and admits to being a spy
9 Jun 2013

She claims she helped her friend, osteopath Stephen Ward uncover secrets about missile ­movements in the West that were later passed to the Soviets

Christine Keeler has ­admitted for the first time: “I betrayed my country.”

Exactly 50 years after John Profumo resigned as Secretary of State for War, admitting he had lied to the House of Commons about their relationship, the woman at the centre of the scandal has ­decided to come clean.

She sensationally confesses that even though it was the height of the Cold War and Russia was our deadly ­enemy, she played a willing role in a high-placed spy ring.

Christine claims she helped her friend, osteopath Stephen Ward – whose clients included Winston Churchill, Frank Sinatra and Elizabeth Taylor – ­uncover secrets about missile ­movements in the West that were later passed to the Soviets.


Stephen Ward with Christine Keeler (top right). Stephen ward was an osteopath with links to the US President, royalty, Hollywood stars and the security services.

Stephen Ward "worked on a secret program for the USA, called Operation Monarch."
J F Kennedy reportedly slept with one of Ward's girls called Mariella Novotny.
After the Cuban Missile Crisis, Ward told Christine Keeler, one of his girls, that he believed John F. Kennedy would be assassinated.

He told her and Russian spy Eugene Ivanov: "A man like John Kennedy will not be allowed to stay in such an important position of power in the world, I assure you of that." (Christine Keeler)

Mariella Novotny

In 1960 she travelled to the United States with an aspiring actress called Suzy Chang. It is believed that both girls worked at the Quorum Club in Washington, run by Bobby Baker, and became involved in relationships with leading politicians, including John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy. Recently released FBI files claim that Stephen Ward was involved in supplying these girls.
In 1978 Novotny announced that she had started work on her autobiography, claiming in November 1980 she claimed that her book would include details of a "plot to discredit Jack Kennedy". She added, "I kept a diary of all my appointments in the UN building. Believe me, it's dynamite. It's now in the hands of the CIA."

 The book never appeared. Mariella Novotny was found dead in her bed in February 1983. It was claimed by the police that she had died of a drug overdose. Christine Keeler later wrote: "The Westminster Coroner, Dr Paul Knapman, called it misadventure. Along with People in Moscow, I still think it was murder. A central figure in the strangest days of my life always believed Mariella would be killed by American or British agents, most probably by the CIA.”
Shortly after her death her house was burgled and all her files and large day-to-day diaries from the early sixties to the seventies were stolen.

In the early 1960s the KGB was involved in a “honey trap” operation involving politicians based in London and Washington. This operation was identified by the intelligence agencies in both countries. However, instead of breaking up the operation, the intelligence agencies decided to use this information in order to manipulate these politicians.

In Washington the KGB had infiltrated the LBJ operation at the Quorum Club. This was a private club in the Carroll Arms Hotel on Capitol Hill that had been established by Bobby Baker. As Baker pointed out in Wheeling and Dealing its "membership was comprised of senators, congressmen, lobbyists, Capitol Hill staffers, and other well-connecteds who wanted to enjoy their drinks, meals, poker games, and shared secrets in private accommodations". Baker also held parties at a home that he had purchased for his mistress, Nancy Carole Tyler.

The idea behind this scam was that LBJ could obtain information about these people that he could blackmail into doing as he wanted. LBJ also did a deal with J. Edgar Hoover that involved the sharing of information about these politicians.

Baker used several prostitutes that originally came from communist countries. This included Ellen Rometsch, Maria Novotny and Suzy Chang. Of course, once these politicians became involved with such women, LBJ could apply more pressure by suggesting that they were KGB agents.

In 1961 Bill Thompson, a close friend of John Kennedy, met with Bobby Baker. According to Anthony Summers (Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover) Thompson asked Baker if he would arrange a meeting between Rometsch and Kennedy. Baker later said that: "He (Kennedy) sent back word it was the best time he ever had in his life. That was not the only time. She saw him on other occasions. It went on for a while."

The honey trap operation in London was being run by Stephen Ward. He was also using Ellen Rometsch, Maria Novotny and Suzy Chang in his operation. One of the politicians who got caught in this trap was John Profumo, the Secretary of State for War. Eugene Ivanov, a KGB officer and an naval attaché at the Soviet embassy, also went to these sex parties. Profumo began an affair with one of Ward’s girls called Christine Keeler. The problem for Profumo was that Keeler was also having an affair with Ivanov.
Hoover now decided it was time to make use of this information. In July 1963 FBI agents questioned Ellen Rometsch about her past. They came to the conclusion that she was probably a Soviet spy. Hoover then leaked information to the journalist, Courtney Evans, that Rometsch worked for Walter Ulbricht, the communist leader of East Germany. When Robert Kennedy was told about this information, he ordered her to be deported.

Interestingly, two of the key figures in the story committed suicide, while these events unfolded. Stephen Ward died on 3rd August 1963 [ he was discovered unconscious, having overdosed on sleeping pills ]   before telling the full story of what happened. Recently, Christine Keeler has claimed that Ward ran a Soviet spy ring that involved MI5 chief Roger Hollis and Sir Anthony Blunt.

On 26th November, Grant Stockdale flew to Washington and talked with Robert Kennedy and Edward Kennedy. On his return Stockdale told several of his friends that "the world was closing in." On 1st December, he spoke to his attorney, William Frates who later recalled: "He started talking. It didn't make much sense. He said something about 'those guys' trying to get him. Then about the assassination." Stockdale died on 2nd December, 1963 when he fell (or was pushed) from his office on the thirteenth story of the Dupont Building in Miami.

Edward Grant Stockdale died on 2nd December, 1963 when he fell (or was pushed) from his office on the thirteenth story of the Dupont Building in Miami. Stockdale did not leave a suicide note but his friend, George Smathers, claimed that he had become depressed as a result of the death of John F. Kennedy.

However, Joachim Joesten, the author of The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson (1968) has argued: "The truth of the matter is that Grant Stockdale was also a wheelerdealer and had found himself caught in the Bobby Baker web, If his death was suicide, the reason was that he feared exposure. More likely, Stockdale was murdered because he knew too much and somebody else feared exposure."

John Simkin has suggested the death was linked to the assassination of John F. Kennedy: "I suspect Grant Stockdale told Robert and Edward Kennedy what he knew about the assassination on 26th November. Stockdale was obviously shocked when he discovered that the Kennedy brothers showed little interest in the story. In fact, Edward goes as far to undermine his credibility by questioning his mental state. Why should the Kennedy brothers do this? Why, did they not want the case investigated?"
Sterling Walter Hayden (born Sterling Relyea Walter; March 26, 1916 – May 23, 1986)

He was born in Montclair, New Jersey, to George and Frances Walter, who named him Sterling Relyea Walter.[2][3] After his father died, he was adopted at the age of nine by James Hayden and renamed Sterling Walter Hayden. He grew up in coastal towns of New England,[4] and as a child lived in New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Washington, D.C., and Maine, where he attended Wassookeag School in Dexter, Maine.

Hayden was a genuine adventurer and man of action, not dissimilar from many of his movie parts. He dropped out of high school at the age of 16 and took a job as mate on a schooner.[5] His first voyage was to Newport Beach, California from New London, Connecticut.[4] Later, he was a fisherman on the Grand Banks of Newfoundland, ran a charter yacht, and served as a fireman on eleven trips to Cuba aboard a steamer.[4] He skippered a trading schooner in the Caribbean after earning his master's license, and in 1937 he served as mate on a world cruise of the schooner Yankee.[4] After serving as sailor and fireman on larger vessels and sailing around the world several times, he was awarded his first command aged 22, skippering the square rigger Florence C. Robinson 7,700 miles from Gloucester, Massachusetts, to Tahiti in 1938.[

As OSS agent John Hamilton, his World War II service included sailing with supplies from Italy to Yugoslav partisans and parachuting into fascist Croatia. Hayden, who also participated in the Naples-Foggia campaign and established air crew rescue teams in enemy-occupied territory, became a first lieutenant on September 13, 1944, and a captain on February 14, 1945. He received the Silver Star (for gallantry in action in the Balkans and Mediterranean; "Lt. Hamilton displayed great courage in making hazardous sea voyages in enemy-infested waters and reconnaissance through enemy-held areas"), a Bronze Arrowhead device for parachuting behind enemy lines, and a commendation from Yugoslavia's Marshal Tito. He left active duty on December 24, 1945.

His great admiration for the bravery of the Communist partisans led to a brief membership in the Communist Party. He was apparently active in supporting an effort by the Communist-controlled motion picture painters' union to absorb other film industry unions.[11] As the Red Scare deepened in U.S., he cooperated with the House Un-American Activities Committee, confessing his brief Communist ties and "naming names."[2] His wife at that time, Betty de Noon, insisted that the 'names' her ex-husband provided were already in the hands of the Committee, which had a copy of the Communist Party's membership list. In any event, Hayden subsequently repudiated his cooperation with the Committee, stating in his autobiography "I don't think you have the foggiest notion of the contempt I have had for myself since the day I did that thing
The U.S. nuclear "secret unlock code" was... 00000000
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 03, 2013, 11:07:29 am
This is a strange one the Bowen jfk film:

New JFK Tape Clearly Showing Second Gunman Goes on Auction Block, MSM Viewing
 Posted by Rick Wells On December 01, 2013

A Texas real-estate developer has just announced to the world that he is in possession of a one-of-a-kind video of the President Kennedy assassination, which clearly shows a second shooter and a gun.

Stephen Bowen, who also has part interest in Waterstone Entertainment, a small production film company, decided the fiftieth anniversary of the assassination of JFK would be a good time to put the footage up for auction.

Bowen acquired the film from a Houston television news producer, who had held it in secret for over 40 years.

The footage has been viewed by a few select individuals, two of which described portions as containing evidence which could easily challenge the official lone gunman theory. They assert that the video shows a guy in the buses with a gun. While denying any technical expertise, the viewers described the tape as looking like real footage.

Private screenings are to be held for news networks and other interested parties over the next week, which should serve to heighten interest and dispel authenticity concerns.

In addition to the new footage, damaged and missing footage from the Zapruder tape is also included.

The undamaged Zapruder film can be seen below.

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JFK Assassination: New Motorcade Footage Could Challenge Lone-Gunman Theory (Exclusive)
Jeff Sneider on November 22, 2013 @ 8:32 am

A Hollywood producer believes the footage may support John Kerry and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s comments doubting that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone

In a development that could shed new light on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, a Hollywood movie producer is shopping new, long-hidden footage of JFK’s Dallas motorcade which the producer believes may support the theory that Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t act alone, TheWrap has learned.

Stephen Bowen is a successful Texas-based real estate developer who is a principal at Waterstone Entertainment, represented by the Gersh Agency. Bowen acquired the footage from a local Houston television news producer who has held it for more than 40 years, according to an individual involved in the deal. Bowen decided the 50th anniversary of JFK’s death was a good time to bring it to market.

TheWrap has not seen the footage. However, two individuals who have described portions of the tape that could challenge the lone-gunman theory ultimately supported by the Warren Commission. “You can see a guy in the bushes with a gun,” said one of those individuals. “It looks like real footage, though I am not an expert.”
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Letsbereal on December 03, 2013, 12:21:44 pm
Paul Craig Roberts: “Americans should be ashamed that they allowed themselves to be duped by the assassination”

Paul Craig Roberts On Bitcoin And The Death Of The Dollar

3 December 2013, BlackTowerRadio

Yeah, dead on! I am still pissed off about it and so should the Yanks!

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 03, 2013, 01:16:46 pm
The Kennedy Assassination (November 22, 1963) 50 Years Later
Paul Craig Roberts
November 21, 2013
Robert Kennedy knew what had happened. He was on his way to being elected president and to holding the plotters accountable for the murder of his brother when the CIA assassinated him. A distinguished journalist, who was standing behind Robert Kennedy at the time of his assassination, told me that the killing shots came from behind past his ear. He submitted his report to the FBI and was never contacted.
I never cease to be amazed by the gullibility of Americans, who know nothing about either event, but who confidently dismiss the factual evidence provided by experts and historians on the basis of their naive belief that “the government wouldn’t lie about such important events” or “someone would have talked.” What good would it do if someone talked when the gullible won’t believe hard evidence?

[ The next to be murdered would be MLK on April 4, 1968 - bringing in the black vote to RF Kennedy in the south.
So just a week after JFK's murder LBJ has a talk with MLK ( LBJ does get the JFK's civil rights legislation passed July 2, 1964  ) "stealing JFK's Legacy  ]
President Lyndon B. Johnson Meets with Martin Luther King Jr. in the White House, 1963


President Lyndon B. Johnson Meets with Martin Luther King Jr., December 3, 1963.
Photograph by Yoichi R. Okamoto. Lyndon Baines Johnson Presidential Library and Museum.

20 - LBJ - Remarks at a Meeting With the Heads of Independent Regulatory Agencies.
December 3, 1963
I know I need not attempt to convey my sense of loss or my sense of burden in these sorrowful times. Our Nation and our Government and you have lost a great leader, but the Nation must move on and this Government must serve the Nation's progress.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964
The bill was called for by President John F. Kennedy in his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: Letsbereal on December 04, 2013, 06:47:25 am
Kennedy Photos:

Disclaimer: Be careful, loads a lot of pics at once but worth it.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 04, 2013, 11:05:54 am
Dec 5 - LBJ calls Connally to ask how's he doing - Stock market hit an all time high
December 5, 1963
11—John Connally (K6312.04) WAV MP3

this blows the jfk assassination out of the water!

JFK Conspiracy? PROOF finally revealed! (with SOUND)

JFK II 1 h 30 mn - 1 apr. 2006 ***** JFK II is an incredible documentary film that totally destroys any notion of Lee Harvey Oswald being responsible for the murder of President John F.
On the 22nd November, 1963, Greer was assigned to drive the presidential car in the motorcade through Dallas. Several witnesses said that Greer stopped the car after the first shot was fired. This included  Jean Hill, who was the closest witness to the car when Kennedy was hot: According to Hill "the motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out".

James Chaney (one of the four Presidential motorcyclists) - stated that the limousine "after the shooting, from the time the first shot rang out, the car stopped completely, pulled to the left and stopped." Mary Woodward, a journalist with the Dallas Morning News wrote: "Instead of speeding up the car, the car came to a halt... after the first shot".

Interesting Greer was the limo driver that slowed to a near stop... Not a natural american and from NORTHERN Ireland ie was not a catholic...  So they all just did as they were told and took the bubble top off the car and stopped it for the shooting

William Greer was born in County Tyrone, Ireland, in 1910. His family emigrated to the United States. Greer worked as a farm labourer before moving to Boston where he became a chauffeur. After the bombing of Pearl Harbor Greer joined the US Navy. He was assigned to the presidential yacht in May 1944.

At the end of the Second World War Greer joined the U.S. Secret Service. He joined the staff of the White House in November, 1950. Over the next thirteen years he worked as a chauffeur for Harry S. Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy.
There is evidence that Greer also believed that John F. Kennedy had been a victim of a conspiracy. The daughter of Roy Kellerman, the Secret Agent in Kennedy's car, told Harold Weisberg in the 1970's that "I hope the day will come when these men (Kellerman and Greer) will be able to say what they've told their families".

William Greer died on 23rd February, 1985. His son, Richard Greer, was interviewed in 1991. When asked, "What did your father think of JFK," Richard did not respond the first time. When asked a second time, he responded: "Well, we're Methodists... and JFK was Catholic..."

Roy Kellerman was born in 1916. After graduating from High School in 1933 he found work with the Dodge Corporation. He left in 1937 to join the Michigan State Police. He served in the force for the next four years.

Kellerman joined the Secret Service in Detroit in December 1941. The following year he was transferred to the office in Washington. In March 1942, he was assigned to the White House. For the next three years Kellerman helped protect President Franklin D. Roosevelt and his family. Later he worked for Harry S. Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy. In October 1962 Kellerman was promoted and given the title of assistant special agent in charge of security.

Kellerman later told the Warren Commission that Kenneth O'Donnell made the decision to remove the bubbletop on the President's car on the way to the Trade Mart.

Kenneth O'Donnell was born in Worcester, Massachusetts, on 4th March, 1924. During the Second World War O'Donnell served in the US Airforce (1942-1945). After the war O'Donnell studied at Harvard University where he met Robert Kennedy. He also attended Boston College Law School.

In 1951 O'Donnell worked as a salesman for Hollingsworth and Whitney in Boston. A member of the Democratic Party, O'Donnell helped in the campaign to get John F. Kennedy elected to the Senate.

O'Donnell worked in public relations before being appointed as Assistant Counsel, Select Committee to Investigate Improper Activities in Labor-Management Relations in the Senate (1957-59).

In 1960 O'Donnell was the organizer and director of John F. Kennedy's presidential campaign schedule. The following year he became Kennedy's special assistant. O'Donnell was an early critic of the Vietnam War and advised Kennedy to bring an end to America's involvement in the conflict.

In November, 1963, he was involved in the organization of the presidential trip to Dallas, Texas. This involved discussions with Winston G. Lawson (secret service agent in charge of the trip), Roy Kellerman and Jesse Curry (chief of police in Dallas).

On the 22nd November, 1963, O'Donnell travelled in the Secret Service car immediately behind the presidential car.
Curry always insisted that Winston G. Lawson was the person who made all the major decisions. This included the order that the proposed side escorts for the motorcade were to be redeployed to the rear of the cars.

Lawson drove the presidential motorcade's lead car. ... Lawson remained a member of the Secret Service until he retired.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 06, 2013, 11:43:40 am
Dec 5 1963 - Jackie Kennedy leaves the Whitehouse
Dec 6 1963 - John Connally leaves Parkland Hospital to recover at home,2493260
Connally leaves hospital again - Dec 15 1963

December 5, 1963
Where: With her children leaving the White House on their last day in residence.
Photo: Cecil Stoughton/Time Life Pictures/Getty Images
Robert F. Kennedy saw conspiracy in JFK’s assassination
By Bryan Bender and Neil Swidey |  GLOBE STAFF     NOVEMBER 24, 2013...

In the five years between his brother’s murder and his own assassination in 1968, Bobby Kennedy voiced public support for the findings of the Warren Commission, namely that a pathetic, attention-seeking gunman had alone been responsible for the murder of President Kennedy. Privately, though, Bobby was dismissive of the commission, seeing it, in the words of his former press secretary, as a public relations tool aimed at placating a rattled populace. When the chairman of the commission, Chief Justice Earl Warren, personally wrote to the attorney general, asking for any information to suggest that a “domestic or foreign conspiracy” was behind his brother’s assassination, Bobby scrawled a note to an aide, asking, “What do I do?” Then, after stalling for two months, he sent along a legalistic reply saying there was nothing in the Justice Department files to suggest a conspiracy. He made no mention of the hunches that appeared to be rattling around in his own mind.
Harris Wofford, who was JFK’s civil rights adviser in the White House and knew RFK intimately, was the first of the Kennedy inner circle to raise the prospect publicly that RFK felt some responsibility for his brother’s assassination.

“I think he carried a lot of potential guilt,” Wofford, a former senator from Pennsylvania, said in an interview.

For while John Kennedy was the one gunned down, Bobby had reason to believe he may have been the ultimate target.

Walking the grounds of Hickory Hill just an hour after receiving confirmation of his brother’s death, Bobby confided in an aide something truly unsettling. That aide, Edwin Guthman, would later recount it in his book “We Band of Brothers.” “I thought they would get one of us,” Bobby said, adding, “I thought it would be me.”
Bobby called Defense Secretary Robert McNamara to arrange transport for him to Dallas, figuring he would head there. He took a call from John McCone, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and asked him, “Jack, can you come over?” He called family members, handing out assignments based on their individual strengths. His sister Jean, who was closest to the first lady, would fly to Washington to be with Jackie when she returned, while sister Eunice, who was closest to their mother, would fly to the family compound in Hyannis Port to be with Rose, according to William Manchester’s book “Death of a President.”

Meanwhile, he decided his younger brother Teddy would also fly to Hyannis Port, giving him the toughest task: breaking the news to their father. That, Joseph Kennedy’s personal nurse, Rita Dallas, said in an interview, would require some elaborate choreography. While awaiting Teddy’s arrival, the household staff had to pretend that the patriarch’s TV set was broken, a ruse to prevent him from learning the devastating news about his son from newsman Walter Cronkite.

Bobby called National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy, and, according to Manchester, instructed him to have the locks changed on his brother’s files, knowing that a new president, a man he did not trust, would soon be in charge. As for that new president in waiting, Bobby took a call from Lyndon Johnson as he sat aboard Air Force One, phoning to get from the attorney general the precise wording for the oath of office he would soon take. The conversation between RFK and LBJ, like their relationship itself, was strained, with their mutual disrespect barely concealed.

Even in his grief, Bobby had to recognize this: He may have been the second most powerful man in government, but the assassin’s bullet that killed the president had also gravely weakened his brother. It would usher into the Oval Office the man he had aggressively tried to keep off the ticket in 1960, and then had belittled and ostracized for the three years that followed. There would be payback.

When McCone arrived from CIA headquarters, Bobby paced the lawn of his estate with him. As Bobby later told historian and aide Arthur Schlesinger, he asked McCone point blank if the CIA “had killed my brother, and I asked him in a way that he couldn’t lie to me, and they hadn’t.” McCone was a devout Catholic, leading many to believe that their shared faith was behind Bobby’s confidence in the CIA director’s candor. McCone, according to Schlesinger’s biography, “Robert Kennedy and His Times,” would come to believe that there had been two shooters in Dallas, though he didn’t think the American intelligence agency was in any way involved.

But McCone almost certainly didn’t know the whole truth. In the wake of the Bay of Pigs, the botched attempted invasion of Cuba orchestrated by the CIA, JFK had forced out the agency’s founding director, Allen Dulles, and replaced him with McCone, an outsider. At the same time, the president put his brother in charge of trying to ride herd on the powerful and unwieldy intelligence agency while also overseeing the administration’s interdepartmental Cuba team. The attorney general often began his days with meetings at CIA headquarters in Langley.

Bobby, said David Talbot, an investigative journalist and author of the book “Brothers,” thus became “JFK’s principal emissary to the dark side of American power.” That meant he knew, by this point, more about the underbelly of the CIA, especially in relation to Cuba, than did its own director. As a result, Talbot said in an interview, “Bobby Kennedy was America’s first assassination conspiracy theorist.”
Bobby Baker's Retreat -Capital Quorum Club Business Slows Down
Oct 30 1963

This was the report given by the club's part-time manager to a newsman who knocked at the door bearing the big bronze . and walked to. it's been quiet

[ Bobby Baker is STILL ALIVE - ie not suicided ... wow ]
Presidents Kennedy, Ford had affairs with East German spy: [according to Bobby baker EX-] Johnson aide

Bobby Baker, who served prison time for tax evasion, says Ellen Rometsch pleased JFK so much that he thanked him for hooking them up. But she was deported when then-Attorney General Bobby Kennedy found out about her and wanted to avoid a scandal, Baker says

By Corky Siemaszko  / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 4:02 PM

So claims Bobby Baker, the disgraced aide to future President Lyndon B. Johnson who spilled the salacious secrets in an interview with Politico Magazine.

[ ]

Rometsch worked as a hostess at Washington’s Quorum Club, a secret salon in the Carroll Arms Hotel where officials hooked up with prostitutes.

But Rometsch was also bipartisan and had a dalliance with then-Congressman Jerry Ford, a Republican from Michigan, while he was on the Warren Commission investigating the Kennedy assassination.

FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover got hold of a tape “where Jerry Ford was having oral sex with Ellen Rometsch,” Baker told Politico

Hoover then used that to blackmail the married Ford into secretly informing him what leads the Warren Commission was pursuing, said Baker

When JFK’s brother, then-Attorney General Bobby Kennedy, found out about Rometsch, she was deported to East Germany to avoid any scandal, Baker said.


Full text of the interview:::: ---- >>>>
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 07, 2013, 11:13:50 am
LBJ moves into the Whitehouse...


On December 7, 1963, the Johnson's began moving into the White House. Mrs. Johnson recorded in her diary, "...the call came today to move, and Luci took the two beagles, 'Him' and 'Her,' in her birthday convertible, and I got in another car,.... I had our favorite picture of the Speaker, Mr. Sam Rayburn, in my hand.... When we arrived, Mr. West [Chief White House Usher] was waiting at the door for us and greeted Luci and me and took us to the second floor."
December 7, 1963
05—Jacqueline Kennedy (K6312.05)
28 - The President's First News Conference
December 7, 1963
Saturday, December 7,1963, 5:20 P.M
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 08, 2013, 01:11:45 pm
Dec 8 1963 - Frank Sinatra Jr. is Kidnapped !  - A Shutup call is made to Sinatra Sr.,_Jr.


Sinatra was kidnapped, at the age of 19, on December 8, 1963 at Harrah's Lake Tahoe (room 417).[4]

Sinatra was released two days later after his father paid the $240,000 (about $1,832,000 in 2013 dollars)[5][6] ransom demanded by the kidnappers. Barry Keenan, Johnny Irwin, and Joe Amsler were soon captured, prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to long prison terms for kidnapping, of which they served only small portions (mastermind Keenan was later adjudged to have been legally insane at the time of the crime and hence not legally responsible for his actions).[4] Famed attorney Gladys Root represented one of the three men.

A rumor at the time was that Frank Sr. arranged this in an attempt to gain publicity for his son's fledgling singing career—a rumor believed to have inspired the plot for the Hawaii Five-O episode "Tiger by the Tail"[7]—but was proven to be false.[citation needed] The kidnappers demanded communication via payphone. During one conversation, Frank Sr. ran out of money and was disconnected. Fearing never seeing his son again, Frank Sr. decided to carry a roll of dimes with him at all times (payphones at this time cost 10 cents). This tradition lasted the rest of his life.

At the time of the kidnapping, Frank Sr. and the Rat Pack were filming Robin and the 7 Hoods. The stress of the kidnapping, in addition to the assassination of Sinatra's close friend John F. Kennedy just a few days previous, caused him to seriously consider shutting down production completely,[citation needed] though the film was ultimately completed.

This American Life interviewed kidnapper Barry Keenan on Episode 205 "Plan B
The Frank Sinatra, Jr. Kidnapping
BY David Krajicek

It was 9 p.m. on Sunday, Dec. 8, 1963, when Keenan raised his knuckles and knocked. The door was unlocked, and young Sinatra invited the visitor in.

"Hi, guys," said Keenan. "I've got a package for you."

Sinatra gestured toward the dresser and said, "Put it over there."

Unburdened of the box, Keenan whipped out the revolver tucked in trousers and called out to Amsler, who stepped into the room brandishing his own pistol.

"Don't make any noise, and nobody gets hurt," Keenan snarled, trying to sound tough.

They bound Foss with masking tape and allowed Sinatra to don shoes, trousers and a coat — but no socks or proper shirt.

Soon Sinatra found himself sitting blindfolded in the Impala, which Keenan guided through a blizzard down the Sierra Nevadas toward a hideout house he had rented in Canoga Park, a Los Angeles suburb eight hours from Lake Tahoe.


24 - White House Announcement of the Presentation of a Painting to the White House by the Family of President Kennedy.
December 4, 1963

THE FAMILY of President John F. Kennedy has presented today in his memory a picture to be added to the permanent collection in the White House, the White House announced today.

It is by the French artist Claude Monet (1840-1926). The painting is oil on canvas, 36Ѕ x 35 inches, and is entitled "Matinee sur la Seine," subtitled: "Beautemps" ("A Morning on the Seine; Good Weather"). Painted in 1897, it is a superb example of Monet's work at a time when he was developing a personal style that separates him from the other painters of the impressionist school and gives him a unique place in the history of French art. Paintings by Monet hang in such great museums of the world as the Louvre, the National Gallery of Art, the Metropolitan, the Hermitage, the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, and the Art Institute of Chicago.

The painting was selected by the members of the Kennedy family from a group of pictures gathered together at the White House this week. It was felt that this picture would be especially appropriate because it reflects the President's deep love of the outdoors and particularly of water, and represents the very personal taste in painting of both President and Mrs. Kennedy. They shared a love of French nineteenth century painting and had several fine examples of it in their own personal collection.

While the establishment of a distinguished permanent collection of American paintings for the White House was the goal of President and Mrs. Kennedy and has been entirely assembled in the brief years he was in office, the Kennedy family wished to leave something personal to the White House in the tradition of Charles Loeser who gave a unique collection of eight Cezannes and Mrs. Margaret Thompson Biddle who left a priceless collection of vermeil.

The painting has been hung in the Green Room.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 09, 2013, 01:17:46 pm,0,5253653.story
Lamar Waldron won't let go of the Kennedy assassination
By Liz Smith, Tribune Content AgencyLiz Smith
4:30 a.m. CST, November 22, 2013


In 1985, Waldron claimed the FBI had actually convinced Marcello to confess. He provides even more background in his new book. Marcello's prison cellmate, Jack Van Laningham, according to the author, got the latter to talk. (Later, Jack passed the FBI's polygraph test so the FBI believed he wasn't lying.)

Marcello told Van Laningham that the shooters for JFK's hit were imported from Europe. They practiced shooting on Marcello's New Orleans estate. He already controlled Jack Ruby and his nightclub in Dallas. He also controlled godfather Santo Trafficante and Mafia don Johnny Rosselli, friend to Marilyn Monroe, Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin. (Rosselli's body was later found in a drum, his legs chopped off.)

 Godfather Marcello attempted to have his gang kill JFK three weeks before Dallas when the president was in Chicago. The Kennedys kept this evidence out of the press for the sake of security.

 The FBI continues to withhold all the Marcello tapes, although they should have been released a decade ago. Experts say there are tens of thousands of pages that have not yet been released.

 The planned film on Marcello and the undercover operation "Legacy of Secrecy" is still in the works. Leonardo DiCaprio will produce and play FBI informant Van Laningham with Robert De Niro playing Marcello.
December 2, 2013
Thousands of JFK killing files stll kept secret

Boston Globe - There were the Pentagon’s top-secret reviews of Lee Harvey Oswald, the former US Marine — before and after the assassination. The files about the CIA operative who monitored the alleged assassin and whose knowledge of him was purposely hidden from congressional investigators. The sworn testimony of dozens of intelligence officials and organized crime figures dating back nearly four decades. And the government personnel files of multiple figures officially designated as relevant to the investigation.

The documents, which could amount to tens of thousands of pages, are just some of the collections that government archivists acknowledge have still not been released a half-century after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
As the nation marks the anniversary of JFK’s murder, there is a new push, including lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act, to shake loose these and other classified materials that may shed light on one of the most unsettled debates of modern history: Was the murder of the nation’s 35th president the work of a lone assassin or a conspiracy, and did elements of the US government know about it, or cover it up, or knowingly destroy evidence to prevent other dirty laundry from being aired?

“A lot of questions remain,” said John R. Tunheim, a federal judge in Minnesota who chaired the Assassination Records Review Board, which oversaw the review and disclosure of some five million records related to the JFK assassination in the 1990s. “We only put a few pieces of the puzzle together. Lots of the jigsaw is missing.”
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 10, 2013, 02:00:43 pm
A drunk Sinatra confides to Dean martin....
Dean Martin, Pop Crooner And Comic Actor, Dies at 78
Published: December 26, 1995
Among Mr. Martin's other important movies were "Some Came Running," "Rio Bravo," "The Sons of Katie Elder" and "The Silencers." "The Silencers" was the first of four spy films in which he played Matt Helm, a James Bond-like smoothie. Despite good reviews for "The Young Lions," he did not pursue a serious film career. Still, in movies like "Sergeants Three," "Four for Texas," and "Robin and the Seven Hoods," which he made with Mr. Sinatra and the clique known as the Rat Pack, Mr. Martin projected an unflappable nonchalance tinged with an amused self-parody.

The Rat Pack's other members included Mr. Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., Shirley MacLaine and Peter Lawford, with President John F. Kennedy as an honorary member. The group is said to have solidified the bond between politics and the world of entertainment.

Within the Rat Pack Mr. Martin was dubbed "the clown prince." One of the popular myths about him -- that he was a heavy drinker who lived in a perpetual alcoholic haze -- was an idea borrowed from Phil Harris and successfully promoted by the star, whose supremely relaxed manner, ad-libbing and slightly blurred diction bolstered the image of hard-drinking sybarite. Although the image was largely an invention, Nick Tosches' 1992 biography of the singer, "Dino: Living High in the Dirty Business of Dreams," portrayed him as a heavy drinker late in his life.

WASHINGTON - Earlier today, the estate of the late Dean Martin sensationally released a signed document which they claim is the dictated deathbed confession of the former lounge singer and actor.

The document, which is still awaiting official verification, contains several allegations including Jerry Lewis' secret donations to The Baadar-Meinhoff Gang and Sammy Davies Jnr's links to the Israeli Intelligence service Mossad. The most explosive passage of the confession, however, is Martin's suggestion that Frank Sinatra was the infamous 'Man on the Grassy Knoll', who conspiracy theorists have long alleged was responsible for the assassination of former US president John F Kennedy.

I was at my suite in The Tropicana in December 1963 and Sinatra came over with a bottle of Scotch. We polished that off pretty swiftly and, halfway through the next, Frank suddenly asked me what I thought about the assassination. I told him I was sorry for his family but after what that son of a bitch did to Marilyn - I had no personal love for the man. Suddenly, Frank started laughing like a maniac and when I asked him what he was laughing about, he said he had a confession to make; but if I ever told anyone about it I'd end up in a hole in the desert. I thought he was just drunk and boasting so I said, “Sure Frank, spill your guts and I won't tell another living soul."

Well what he said next has been eating away at my conscience for over 30 years. He told me that the wrong man had been accused of killing the president and ole Harvey Oswald had been set up to take the fall. Still thinking he was just kidding around I said “Sure Frank, how come you know so much about it?”. Suddenly Sinatra approached me, put both hands firmly on my shoulders and looked me straight in the eye. “I know about it Deano because I was the man who shot JFK”.

Now Frank was known for talking all kinds of bull and, at first, I thought he was just taking a joke too far - but then he told me how he had been at a card game on November 19th with Mickey Rooney, Tony Curtis, Peter Lawford and Mob boss Sam Giancana. He said everyone was pretty drunk and Sam got talking about how he rigged the New York vote to get Kennedy elected but the President was still busting his balls left, right, and centre. Then the conversation turned to what that son of a bitch did to Marilyn; Giancana got angry and exclaimed, “Will no-one rid me of this turbulent President?” With that,  Frank said he excused himself from the table to take a leak and decided he was going to charter a plane to Dallas and assassinate Kennedy.

“It was easy Deano”, he told me, “I borrowed a rifle from Lauren Bacall and jumped on a plane to Dallas. Next thing I know it's lunch time and I'm stood behind this grassy knoll holding half a bottle of tequila and a 6.5 mm Carcano. I saw the Presidents Limo go past, fired off a couple of shots and then wandered off to find a 7-Eleven.”

I asked Frank how Oswald got caught up in the mess and he said he had “No idea,” but it was - “Probably something to do with the Cubans”.

You know I've kept that secret for so long but now I'm on my way out, I thought it was high time the truth came out.
Tina Sinatra: Mob Ties Aided JFK
Daughter Says Joe Kennedy Asked Singer To Enlist Sam Giancana
OCT 6, 2000

Legendary crooner Frank Sinatra served as a liaison between John F. Kennedy's 1960 campaign for president and mobster Sam Giancana in a scheme to use Mafia muscle to deliver union votes, Sinatra's daughter tells 60 Minutes.

The late singer's youngest daughter, Tina, also describes her father's final years and his work for the Central Intelligence Agency. The interview will be rebroadcast on Dec. 31.

Tina Sinatra, 52, says her father told her that Kennedy patriarch Joseph P. Kennedy wanted the Mafia's help in delivering the union vote in the 1960 West Virginia primary, in which John Kennedy, then a U.S. senator, faced Sen. Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota. The elder Kennedy asked Frank Sinatra to make a request to then-Chicago crime boss Sam Giancana.

Sinatra was approached "because (Kennedy) knew dad had access to Sam Giancana," Tina said.

Tina Sinatra, 52, says her father told her that Kennedy patriarch Joseph P. Kennedy wanted the Mafia's help in delivering the union vote in the 1960 West Virginia primary, in which John Kennedy, then a U.S. senator, faced Sen. Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota. The elder Kennedy asked Frank Sinatra to make a request to then-Chicago crime boss Sam Giancana.

Sinatra was approached "because (Kennedy) knew dad had access to Sam Giancana," Tina said.

"It would be in Jack Kennedy's best interest if his father did not make the contact directly…Dad was on an errand," she tells Correspondent Steve Kroft.

Giancana told Frank Sinatra he would do it, telling the singer, according to his daughter, "It's a couple of phone calls."

Soon after Kennedy won the tight race for president, the deal brokered by Sinatra came back to haunt him when the Kennedy administration cracked down on the Mafia—an effort led by Robert Kennedy, the president's brother and attorney general.

Tina says her father told her how he assuaged an angry Giancana.

"Sam was saying, 'That's not right. You know he owes me,' he meaning Joe Kennedy, and dad, I think, said, 'No, I owe you. I asked for the favor,'" recalls Tina.

To repay the favor, Tina says, Frank Sinatra "…went to Chicago and played in (Giancana's) club, the Villa Venice." Sinatra brought "Rat Packers" Sammy Davis, Jr. and Dean Martin with him and played two shows for eight straight nights.

Tina says her father also claimed to have served as a courier for the CIA.

"Because (he) controlled his own air travel…(the CIA) would ask him and many others with that capacity to courier a body—a living person, you know, not a corpse, but a diplomat—or…papers."

Sinatra never revealed who or what he was transporting.

"We asked him," says Tina. "He didn't (tell us)."

Sinatra's friendship with President Kennedy was well known, and allegations of his connections to the Mafia are not new.

Central to those rumors is Judith Exner, the Giancana and Sinatra girlfriend who has claimed she engaged in a long love affair with President Kennedy, which could have compromised the government's attack on the mob.

After the actor and entertainer died at age 82 in May, 1998 the FBI released nearly 1,300 pages of information it accumulated over 40 years of investigating the man known as "Old Blue Eyes" and "The Chairman of the Board."

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 11, 2013, 11:38:02 am
The number one song on Dec 11 1963:
The Singing Nun - Dominique (1963 )
Mary Ford (Les Paul's wife) - Dominique - English Version - Nov 1963  - In November 1963 Ford released her first solo single, an English-language version of "Dominique", for Calendar Records.[
English translation is:
Domi-nique -nique -nique went about simply, a poor singing traveller.
On every road, in every place, he talks only of the Good Lord, he talks only of the Good Lord.

Domi-nique -nique -nique, o'er the land he plods along,
And sings a little song. Never asking for reward,
He just talks about the Lord,
He just talks about the Lord.

Frank Sinatra's son was released from Kidnappers after Frank agreed to lie down about the JFK killing....
Father Pays Ransom For Sinatra Jr.

Frank Sinatra Jr., abducted from a motel on the California-Nevada border Sunday night, was released by his captors at 3:10 a.m. today in the exclusive Bel-Air district. The 19-year-old singer's famous father told newsmen he paid $240,000 to get the boy back, "no questions asked." The FBI conducted an intensive search for the abductors but would say nothing on progress.

Although Bobby Baker is still alive and well another co-conspirator died peacefully at home this year.... Billie Sol Estes,16641,19620525,00.html
Billie Sol Estes | May 25, 1962
Billie Sol Estes, Texas Con Man Whose Fall Shook Up Washington, Dies at 88
Published: May 14, 2013

Billie Sol Estes, a fast-talking Texas swindler who made millions, went to prison and captivated America for years with mind-boggling agricultural scams, payoffs to politicians and bizarre tales of covered-up killings and White House conspiracies, was found dead on Tuesday at his home in Granbury, Tex. He was 88.

He died in his sleep and was found in his recliner, Mr. Estes’s daughter Pamela Padget said.

Nonexistent fertilizer tanks. Faked mortgages. Bogus cotton-acreage allotments. Farmers in four states bamboozled. Strange “suicides,” including a bludgeoned investigator shot five times with a bolt-action rifle. Assassination plots. Jimmy Hoffa and Fidel Castro. Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald.

The rise and fall of Billie Sol Estes was one of the sensations of the postwar era: the saga of a good-ol’-boy con man who created a $150 million empire of real and illusory farming enterprises that capitalized on his contacts in Washington and the gullibility and greed of farmers, banks and agriculture businesses.

He was a Bible-thumping preacher who gave barbecues for governors and senators, rode his bike to work in Pecos, Tex., and his airplane to Washington, and was named one of America’s 10 outstanding young men of 1953 by the United States Junior Chamber of Commerce. Later, autographed photos of John F. Kennedy, Harry S. Truman, Lyndon B. Johnson and others lined his walls.

As his empire crumbled in 1962, the notoriety of Billie Sol, as nearly everyone in America called him, might have been passing had it not been for the bodies that kept cropping up, for the bribery scandals and fraud in federal farm programs, and for Mr. Estes’s own lurid accounts of how it all happened and who was involved.

Many of his statements were self-serving and never proved — particularly allegations about Johnson. Mr. Estes said that he had given millions to Johnson, and that Johnson, while he was vice president, had ordered seven killings disguised as suicides or accidents to cover up his connections to the frauds and had then set up the assassination of Kennedy in 1963 to become president.
“This government is staying right on Mr. Estes’s tail,” a harried President Kennedy said at an overflowing news conference as he, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and Agriculture Secretary Orville L. Freeman were thrown on the defensive by almost daily revelations in the serpentine scandal.
Richard M. Nixon, then running for governor in California, called it “the biggest national scandal since Teapot Dome.” Political cartoonists had a field day, caricaturing Mr. Estes and Washington as mired in the same farm muck.

The cover was blown in early 1962, when The Pecos Independent and Enterprise published an exposé by its city editor, Oscar Griffin Jr., on thousands of mortgages for nonexistent fertilizer tanks. The articles, which did not name Mr. Estes, won a Pulitzer Prize for investigative reporting and led to an avalanche of investigations.

Mr. Estes was arrested in frauds that reached from farms in Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia and Alabama to the halls of power in Washington. Three agriculture officials were fired for taking bribes. An assistant secretary of labor who took $1,000 resigned. Senator Ralph Yarborough, a Texas Democrat, and Representative H. Carl Anderson, a Minnesota Republican, acknowledged accepting political contributions. Congressional investigators found disarray at the Department of Agriculture but no systemic corruption.

Soon after the Estes indictments, however, Mr. Freeman, the agriculture secretary, disclosed that a key investigator on the case, Henry Marshall, had been found dead in Texas — bludgeoned on the head, with nearly fatal amounts of carbon monoxide in his bloodstream and five chest wounds from a single-shot bolt-action rifle. Local officials ruled it suicide, but the body was exhumed and the cause changed to homicide.

Six other men tied to the case also died. Three perished in accidents, including a plane crash. Two were found in cars filled with carbon monoxide and were declared suicides.

Mr. Estes’s accountant was also found dead in a car, with a rubber tube connecting its exhaust to the interior, suggesting suicide, but no poisonous gases were found in the body, and his death was attributed to a heart attack.

In 1963, Mr. Estes was convicted on federal charges and sentenced to 15 years. A state conviction was overturned on grounds of prejudicial news coverage. After exhausting appeals and serving six years, he was paroled in 1971. In 1979, he was convicted of tax fraud and served four more years. He was released in 1983.

A year later, in what he called a voluntary statement to clear the record, Mr. Estes told a Texas grand jury that Johnson, as vice president in 1961, had ordered that Mr. Marshall be killed to prevent him from disclosing Johnson’s ties to the Estes conspiracies. He said a Johnson aide, Malcolm Wallace, had shot him.

The Justice Department asked Mr. Estes for more information, and the response was explosive. For a pardon and immunity from prosecution, he promised to detail eight killings arranged by Johnson, including the Kennedy assassination. He said that Mr. Wallace had not only persuaded Jack Ruby to recruit Lee Harvey Oswald, but that Mr. Wallace had also fired a shot in Dallas that hit the president.

Mr. Estes also claimed knowledge of a White House plan to kill Fidel Castro and a plot by the former Teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa to kill Robert Kennedy. Mr. Estes reiterated his allegations in a book, “JFK, the Last Standing Man” (2003), written with William Reymond, and a memoir, “Billie Sol Estes: A Texas Legend” (2004).

As with similar allegations in books, articles and documentaries over the years, none of the Estes claims could be proved. Johnson had died in 1973, and everyone else, except Mr. Estes, was also dead.

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RFK jr speaks up this year ....
'I'm convinced a second gunman was involved in killing my uncle': Robert Kennedy speaks out about JFK's assassination 50 years ago
RFK was speaking at an event in Dallas to mark the start of a year of events commemorating the 50th anniversary of JFK's death

Also said his father believed the Warren Commission report was a 'shoddy piece of craftsmanship'
Sister Rory also spoke out about life as a Kennedy
A ceremony will be held in Dallas in November on the 50th anniversary of JFK's assassination

By Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 00:00 EST, 12 January 2013 | UPDATED: 10:14 EST, 12 January 2013

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is convinced that a lone gunman wasn't solely responsible for the assassination of his uncle, President John F. Kennedy, and said his father believed the Warren Commission report was a 'shoddy piece of craftsmanship.'

Kennedy and his sister, Rory, spoke about their family Friday night while being interviewed in front of an audience by Charlie Rose [Bilderberg] at the Winspear Opera House in Dallas. The event comes as a year of observances begins for the 50th anniversary of the president's death.

Their uncle was killed on Nov. 22, 1963, while riding in a motorcade through Dallas. Five years later, their father was assassinated in a Los Angeles hotel while celebrating his win in the California Democratic presidential primary.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said his father spent a year trying to come to grips with his brother's death, reading the work of Greek philosophers, Catholic scholars, Henry David Thoreau, poets and others 'trying to figure out kind of the existential implications of why a just God would allow injustice to happen of the magnitude he was seeing.'

He said his father [RFK] thought the Warren Commission, which concluded Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing the president, was a 'shoddy piece of craftsmanship.'

He publicly supported the Warren Commission report but privately he was dismissive of it.'

He said his father had investigators do research into the assassination and found that phone records of Oswald and nightclub owner Jack Ruby, who killed Oswald two days after the president's assassination, 'were like an inventory' of mafia leaders the government had been investigating.

He said his father, later elected U.S. senator in New York, was 'fairly convinced' that others were involved.
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Post by: TahoeBlue on December 12, 2013, 02:41:05 pm
Earlier in the Year Patsy Cline died in a Plane Crash - March 5 1963 ...
Patsy Cline - I've Loved And Lost Again
Patsy Cline - She's Got You
Patsy Cline Blue Moon of Kentucky 1963


Patsy Cline's strange death, on this day in country music history
By Nikki Miller Thu., Mar. 3 2011 at 9:59 AM

On this day in history 1963, Patsy Cline performed her last show ever before dying at the age of 30. But it was the events that happened in the ensuing weeks (and years) that were truly notable... and, well, weird.
On March 3, 1963, Patsy Cline traveled to Kansas City to perform three shows as part of a benefit for the family of disc jockey Cactus Jack Call, who'd recently died in a car accident. Sharing the stage with her that day were such notable performers as George Jones, Billy Walker, Dottie West, Cowboy Copas and Hawkshaw Hawkins.

Friends West, June Carter Cash and Loretta Lynn have all since recalled Cline telling them in the months preceding this performance that she felt a sense of impending doom, and didn't expect she would live much longer. She even began distributing her personal items to friends, and making plans for her will and the care of her children.

Cline was no stranger to grievous injury. Before her death, she'd been in two major car accidents. Not long after the birth of her son, she and her brother were involved in a head-on collision in Nashville, the second of three serious accidents she was to endure in her lifetime. Cline was thrown into the windshield and badly injured. Her close friend, country singer Dottie West, was one of the first to arrive to the scene and rode with Cline in the ambulance, picking glass from her hair as she insisted the car's other driver be treated before her. Cline suffered a serious cut across her forehead (which she later covered with wigs and makeup), as well as a broken wrist, dislocated hip and injured ribs that affected her ability to hit the notes on initial recordings of what would become one of her biggest hits, "Crazy."

Cline had reportedly confessed to a Jordanaire backup singer while exiting the Grand Ole Opry just a week earlier, "Honey, I've had two bad ones. The third one will either be a charm or it'll kill me." Indeed, the third one did come, and proved that it was indeed her time to go.

Cline's plane, piloted by her manager Randy Hughes, crashed just outside Nashville the night of March 5, claiming the lives of Cline, Hughes, and co-performers Cowboy Copas and Hawkshaw Hawkins.

Hawkins had taken the seat originally intended for singer Billy Walker, who had to leave on an earlier flight but died in a car accident years later, in 2006 while driving back to Nashville after performing in Alabama. Hawkins' wife, famous country singer Jean Shepard, was at the time 8 months pregnant with their second son. Manager Randy Hughes left behind a wife, Kathy Hughes, who also lost her father in the crash - Copas.

Thousands attended Cline's memorial service on March 8, but one person didn't make it. Jack Anglin, best known as a member of the Anglin Brothers and later, Johnnie & Jack, died when he took a bend a little too quickly and crashed his car on the way to the service.
Julie Fudge speaks about her Mom, Patsy Cline
Patsy's daughter speaks about her mom from an interview done during Grand Ole Opry in fall of 2003, during the Remembering Patsy Tribute. Charlie Dick and Pam Tillis also speak.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 12, 2013, 03:25:51 pm
Foreign Relations of the United States, 1961–1963
Volume IV, Vietnam, August–December 1963, Document 362


362. Telegram From the Secretary of Defense (McNamara) to the Ambassador in Vietnam (Lodge)1
Washington, December 12, 1963.

DIASO-34783-63. The President has asked me to stop in Saigon on my return from the NATO meeting in order to assure that we receive promptly the plans and recommendations of the Country Team for:

1. Covert operations by South Vietnamese forces, utilizing such support of US forces as is necessary, against North Vietnam. Plans for such operations should include varying levels of pressure all designed to make clear to the North Vietnamese that the US will not accept a Communist victory in South Vietnam and that we will escalate the conflict to whatever level is required to insure their defeat.

2. Cross-border operations into a strip of Laos approximately fifty kilometers wide. The operations to be carried out by specially trained South Vietnamese forces utilizing such US advisory personnel as are necessary.  These operations would be designed both to obtain evidence of infiltration of military cadres and military equipment from North Vietnam into South Vietnam and also to disrupt such infiltration.

3. Such aerial reconnaissance as is required to check on the extent of infiltration of arms from North Vietnam to South Vietnam through Laos and Cambodia.

4. Border patrol activities designed to determine and check the extent of the infiltration of cadres and military equipment from North Vietnam through Laos and Cambodia to South Vietnam.

5. Accelerating and intensifying the military campaign against the Viet Cong in thirteen critical provinces. You will recall we agreed in Honolulu that the Country Team would prepare a detailed analysis of the political, economic and military problem in each of these provinces and a detailed plan providing for the solution of those problems. The plans should be specific as to geography, time and resources to be employed.

As a foundation for the review of these plans, I should like to receive the Country Team's appraisal of the effectiveness of the new government's political, economic and military programs.

I expect to arrive in Saigon mid-morning, Thursday, December 19, and hope to meet with you and your staff during that day and the next to review in detail the plans and recommendations which I have been instructed to take back with me to Washington. William Colby and General Krulak will arrive a day ahead of me for the purpose of completing a preliminary review before I arrive.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 15, 2013, 07:38:28 pm
Two months prior to the Assassination Sept 25th 1963 - Valachi testifies before McClellan and RFK
Cosa Nostra Mafia Hearings RFK and Joseph Valachi Newsreel

ESP ID DVC Scandal2 9:16 Senate hearings to investigate the mafia or "Cosa Notra". Mafia member Joseph Valachi testifies. Robert Kennedy RFK heads up hearings.
Joe Valachi Testifies At The McClellan Commission 1963 -
Published on Mar 25, 2013  

Joe Valachi was the first mobster who blew the lid on organized crime and how they operated. Known as a rat, we wouldn't know what we know now, if it wasn't for Joe Cargo.
Joe "Joe Cargo" Valachi Documentary -

And Your Bird Can Sing: The Valachi Hearings – The Profumo Scandal – September 25, 1963

Busy month for scandals, revelations and upheavals. September in 1963 was no different, it seems. On this day in September, the McClellan Crime Committee Hearings on Capitol Hill were going full speed ahead, with star witness, organized crime figure Joseph Valachi poised to give bomb-dropping evidence on the activities of one of the hithermost secret societies in America; the Cosa Nostra, or Mafia as we have come to know them.

Valachi was scheduled to testify in public later in the week, but that didn’t prevent bombs from dropping anyway. Testimony was forthcoming by a number of other witnesses who revealed inner-workings of the Mafia previously unknown. It all made for great TV and riveting Radio.

And on the other side of the Atlantic, another scandal was rocking the British government. The name Christine Keeler was topic-A in conversation around London this month. Keeler was a prostitute (aka: Call Girl – Good-time Girl – Working Girl) linked to affairs with John Profumo, Secretary of State for War and Soviet agent Yevgeny Ivanov, a senior Naval attachè at the Soviet Embassy in London.

Keeler was accused of passing secrets to Ivanov via pillow-talk with Profumo and the scandal erupted into a political crisis for the MacMillan government which eventually ended the career of John Profumo and briefly tossed Downing Street into a state of chaos.

Less hysterical, but no less controversial was news that President Kennedy had asked for approval of grain shipments to the Soviet Union, as well as Congress passing a Kennedy sanctioned Tax cut package.

And all that, plus much-much more happened on this September 23, 1963, as reported by NBC Radio News On The Hour and a Special Report on The Valachi Hearings.

Fifty years ago today . . . .
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 16, 2013, 01:19:21 pm
Bay of Pigs - Related to Assassination: Obama blocks executive branch documents related to FOIA appeal:

CIA Bay of Pigs Secrecy Case Reaches Appeals Court

National Security Archive Lawsuit Seeks Last Volume of CIA "Official History"

CIA claims release would "confuse the public"

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 450
Posted December 13, 2013

Edited by Tom Blanton

Washington, DC, December 13, 2013 – A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit heard the National Security Archive's arguments yesterday for public release of the last secret volume of the CIA's internal history of the 1961 Bay of Pigs disaster.

Represented pro bono by Allon Kedem of the Skadden Arps law firm, the Archive rebutted the CIA's claims that the 30-year-old draft history of 50-year-old events deserved any protection under the "deliberative process" exemption to the Freedom of Information Act.

Attorney Kedem pointed out that the draft was connected to no policy decision by CIA, and that CIA has already admitted in court why the draft was rejected by supervisors and never published -- apparently it is a polemic against the CIA Inspector General whose devastating report on CIA responsibility for the Bay of Pigs was obtained through the FOIA and published by the National Security Archive in 1998. The author of the draft history, Dr. Jack Pfeiffer, since-deceased, lost a lawsuit in 1987 seeking release of his drafts so he could publish them himself.

When the government's lawyers argued that release of the draft would "confuse the public" about whether the document was CIA official history, Judge Judith Rogers said she did not "find that totally persuasive," since there is no confusion that the CIA disagrees with the draft's conclusions.

Rogers told the government, "You're seeking ad infinitum protection of drafts" when the FOIA is actually a disclosure statute and exemptions have to be narrowly drawn. The other judges on the panel, Brett Kavanaugh and Stephen Williams, pitched in with tough questions for both parties. Kavanaugh remarked that the records of the 1787 Constitutional Convention were sealed for only 30 years, implying that the CIA draft history could easily be released as well.

The case also includes an amicus brief by the National Coalition for History (represented by the Jones Day law firm) noting the pernicious effects on access to historical documents that a ruling for the CIA would impose on government files. According to Tom Blanton, executive director of the National Security Archive, "If the (CIA) wins, it would throw a burqa over future release of any draft document an agency produces."

News coverage of the case includes yesterday's McClatchy News story:

For more information contact:
 202/994-7000 or [email protected]

Lawsuit seeks to unlock CIA’s secret history of Bay of Pigs invasion
December 12 2013
By Michael Doyle

McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Thursday fought to keep secret a CIA account of the 1961 Bay of Pigs debacle.

Half a century after the failed invasion of Cuba, and three decades after a CIA historian completed his draft study, an administration lawyer told a top appellate court that the time still isn’t right to make the document public.

“The passage of time has not made it releasable,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Mitchell P. Zeff told the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

Through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, the private National Security Archive is seeking the final volume of a five-volume CIA history of the Bay of Pigs. The opus was prepared by a CIA staff historian between 1973 and 1984. Four volumes have been released, under FOIA pressure, but the fifth volume, which examines the CIA’s own internal investigation of the invasion, remains secret.

“Here we are, 30 years later,” Judge Judith W. Rogers noted Thursday. “The author is deceased. The events occurred long ago.”

“If the (CIA) wins, it would throw a burqa over any draft document an agency produces,” Thomas Blanton, executive director of the National Security Archive, said after the 45-minute oral argument.


In 2011, researcher Peter Kornbluh obtained the first four volumes of what was called “The Official History of the Bay of Pigs Operation.” Originally classified top secret, and prepared by CIA historian Jack Pfeiffer, the 1,200 pages revealed new details about the ill-fated April 1961 invasion launched by CIA-trained fighters. Planning for the invasion began during the Eisenhower administration in response to the rise of Cuban President Fidel Castro. President John F. Kennedy inherited the scheme when he took office in January 1961.

The already released volumes, for instance, recount the CIA maneuverings to covertly gain use of an inactive Marine Corps air station in Opa-locka, Fla. Anti-Castro Cuban exiles recruited in the Miami area formed the backbone of the roughly 1,500-man invasion force, which was defeated within about four days.

A 400-plus page report by the CIA’s inspector general critiqued the invasion. Pfeiffer, the CIA historian, in turn critiqued the inspector general’s report in the still-secret fifth volume of his history. Pfeiffer’s supervisor, though, called the volume a “polemic” troubled by “serious deficiencies,” and said that it would not be published.

“Dr. Pfeiffer’s account (was) an uncritical defense of the CIA officers who planned and executed the Bay of Pigs operation,” the supervisor, J. Kenneth McDonald, later stated.

The CIA inspector general’s report – the subject of Pfeiffer’s critique – has itself already been made public under a FOIA request.
Bay of Pigs Release
(Updated August 2, 2011)

The cornerstone of this collection is a two-volume, 400-plus page document consisting of (Volume I) the CIA Inspector General's (IG) Report on the CIA's ill-fated April 1961 attempt to implement national policy by overthrowing the Fidel Castro regime in Cuba by means of a covert paramilitary operation, otherwise known as the Bay of Pigs, and (Volume II), a commentary on the IG report written by the Directorate of Plans (DP), now known as the Directorate of Operations (DO). These two volumes are a rare side-by-side compilation of high-level government self-evaluation of its own performance in an historic and controversial event. The remainder of the collection is comprised of various documents, to include finished intelligence, National Security Council (NSC) briefings and Spanish-language documents. The collection now stands at 769 documents, although more may be added in the future as additional documents are subjected to the ongoing review process.

The CIA history of the Bay of Pigs operation in 1961, originally classified top secret, based on dozens of interviews with key operatives and officials and hundreds of CIA documents. The four volumes include information never before released and comprise (I) Air Operations, March 1960-1961; (II) Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy; (III) Evolution of CIA's Anti-Castro Policies, 1959-January 1961; and (IV) The Taylor Committee Investigation of the Bay of Pigs.

Volume I - Air Operations, March 1960-April 1961
•Part 1

•Part 2

•Part 3

Volume II - Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy 92
•Part 1
•Part 2

Volume III - Evolution of CIA's Anti-Castro Policies, 1951-January 1961

Volume IV - The Taylor Committee Investigation of the Bay of Pigs

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 16, 2013, 01:55:13 pm
Jackie Bouvier Kennedy was also connected to BIG OIL - Jennings was a Standard Oil Founder - as was the custom, the Jennings daughter married into the British Peerage:

    Emma Judson Jennings is the daughter of Oliver B. Jennings. She married Hugh Dudley Auchincloss.
      Her married name became Auchincloss.

"One can fairly hear the woof and tweet of history whistle through the names of the ramified Auchincloss tribe: Bunt, Grosvenor, Rockefeller, Saltonstall, Tiffany, Vanderbilt and Winthrop among others."5

For instance, Hugh D. Auchincloss, Sr. married Emma Brewster Jennings, daughter of Oliver B. Jennings, who co-founded Standard Oil with John D. Rockefeller.
History in Pictures- Caroline Kennedy is joined by her family June 5, 1975 in Concord, Mass., after she graduated from Concord Academy.

From left are her brother John Jr., her mother Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, Caroline, her grandmother Mrs. Joseph P. Kennedy, her uncle Sen. Edward Kennedy, and her grandmother Mrs. Hugh Auchincloss.
Janet Norton Lee (December 3, 1907  – July 22, 1989) was an American socialite. She was the mother of former United States First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and Lee Radziwill. She often stood in for her daughter Jacqueline as hostess for official White House functions. She was the mother-in-law of United States President John F. Kennedy.

Lee was married three times. Her first husband was John Vernou "Black Jack" Bouvier III. They were married on July 7, 1928, and had two daughters: Jacqueline Lee "Jackie" Bouvier (July 28, 1929 — May 19, 1994) and Caroline Lee Bouvier (born March 3, 1933). Bouvier's womanizing and drinking led to a separation in 1936, a brief reconciliation for a few months in 1937, and then a divorce in 1940.[4]

Lee's second husband was Hugh Dudley Auchincloss, Jr., an attorney and Standard Oil heir; she was his third wife. They were married on June 21, 1942,[5] and had two children: Janet Jennings Auchincloss (1945—1985) and James Lee Auchincloss, born in 1947

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Also In September (around the valachi testimony) Kennedy visits the Pinchot's home  Grey Towers ....
“The Day JFK Was Here”: Pinchot Institute Dedicated 9/24/1963
By Dan Dwyer, Port Jervis Union-Gazette¹

MILFORD, Penn., Sept. 24—

The helicopter landed exactly on time. It was 1 p.m.
The door opened and became a ramp and this man came out.
It was the start of a hectic 70-minute visit by Pres. John F. Kennedy to Grey Towers in Milford yesterday afternoon.

3 Trillion Barrels of Oil - the largest reserve in the world ( is in the USA )

The Pinchot family originally worked with Teddy Roosevelt to form the Forest Service to create King's err..  "federal" lands and restrict the use of the remaining portions of the U.S. . The Pinchot family owned most the Timber and Coal land around ( Peabody Coal today) and wanted to protect their monopoly of timber and suppling paper for nearly all the newspapers. On the west coast was Zellerbach paper (now IP International Paper which supplied the paper for all the magazines and newspapers on the west coast.

One of the reasons for the railroads was to secure rights and gain access to all the adjacent timber and mineral(s) rights (coal/iron later oil) on the railroads right of ways...

Has this American Oligarchy yet to be broken? I don't think so.

Oh, it is also interesting the Pinchot family were originally supporters of Napoleon (Waterloo 1815 ( and fled with their/others? loot/booty after his fall to America....
Not exactly your freedom fighters.
In 1898, Pinchot was appointed head of the Division of Forestry within the Department of Agriculture, and met Theodore Roosevelt, who became an immediate close friend
The Pinchot family supported Yale University Graduate Forestry School, which conducted classes at Forest Hall in Milford, just three blocks from The Columns. To this day, Grey Towers is the home of the Pinchot Institute For Conservation, an organization committed to leadership in conservation thought, policy, and action.
( Grey Towers
GreyTowers is a French Chateau in Milford that was Gifford Pinchot’s home until his death in 1946.
The Constantine Pinchot family emigrated from France in 1816 and moved to PikeCounty to build a Greek Revival home in 1821 [ yes they were just poor poor  pilgrims  right! ].  Constantine’s son, Cyril lived in the home for more than 60 years.  The home is now known as the Community House and is part of the Pike County Library system

( Community House Pike County

Cyril Pinchot’s son, James, a wall paper manufacturer, built Grey Towers in 1886, when his own son Gifford was 21 years old.

One of the most historic days in Pike County History came when on September 25, 1963
President John F. Kennedy came to GreyTowers in Milford to dedicate The Pinchot Institute Conservation Studies


JFK with Mary Meyer nee Pinchot (far right). Antoinette Bradlee is second on the left.

In 1944 Mary met Cord Meyer (S&B), a lieutenant in the US Marines who was recovering from serious shrapnel injuries that had resulted in him losing an eye. The couple married on 19th April, 1945. Soon afterwards the couple went to San Francisco to attend the conference that established the United Nations.

Cord went as an aide to Harold Stassen ( [ Stassen was later best known for being a perennial candidate for the Republican Party nomination for President of the United States, seeking it 12 times between 1944 and 2000 (1944, 1948, 1952, 1964, 1968, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, and 2000), but never winning it or, after 1952, even coming close ] , whereas Mary, who was working for the North American Newspaper Alliance at the time, was one of the reporters sent to cover this important event.

Allen W. Dulles made contact with Cord Meyer in 1951. He accepted the invitation to join the CIA.

Cord Meyer became part of what became known as Operation Mockingbird, a CIA program to influence the mass media. According to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great: Katharine Graham and the Washington Post): Meyer was Mockingbird's "principal operative".

Mary and the family now moved to Washington where they became members of the Georgetown Crowd . This group included Frank Wisner, Richard Bissell, Desmond FitzGerald, Joseph Alsop, Tracy Barnes, Philip Graham, Katharine Graham, David Bruce, Clark Clifford, Walt Rostow, Eugene Rostow, Chip Bohlen and Paul Nitze. The Meyers also socialized with other CIA officers or CIA assets James Angleton (Cicely Angleton), Wistar Janney (Mary Wisnar), Ben Bradlee (Antoinette Bradlee) and James Truitt (Anne Truitt).

In October 1961, Mary began visiting John F. Kennedy in the White House. It was about this time she began an affair with the president. Mary told her friends, Ann and James Truitt, that she was keeping a diary about the relationship.

In 1962 Mary made contact with Timothy Leary, the director of research projects at Harvard University. Leary supplied LSD to Mary who used it with Kennedy. Leary also claimed that Mary helped influence Kennedy's views on nuclear disarmament and rapprochement with Cuba. It was later discovered that the FBI was keeping a file on Mary. Later, James Angleton, head of counterintelligence at the CIA admitted that the agency was bugging Mary's telephone and bedroom during this period.

On 12th October, 1964, Mary Pinchot Meyer was shot dead as she walked along the Chesapeake and Ohio towpath in Georgetown. Henry Wiggins, a car mechanic, was working on a vehicle on Canal Road, when he heard a woman shout out: "Someone help me, someone help me". He then heard two gunshots. Wiggins ran to the edge of the wall overlooking the tow path. He later told police he saw "a black man in a light jacket, dark slacks, and a dark cap standing over the body of a white woman."  
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 17, 2013, 12:13:24 pm

Dec. 17, 1963: The Christmas scene on historic Boston Common had this sign set amid a tableau of a shepherd and his flock.
A manger scene is in the center background with the State House  at the far right. For the first time the Christmas lights in the State House would not be used. Governor Peabody has asked that they be turned off during the 30-day period of mourning for the late President John F. Kennedy
President Lyndon B. Johnson Address before the General Assembly of the United Nations December 17, 1963

''The greatest of human problems, and the greatest of our common tasks, is to keep the peace and to save the future. All that we have built in the wealth of nations, and all that we plan to do toward a better life for all, will be in vain if our feet should slip, or our vision falter, and our hopes ended in another worldwide war. If there is one commitment more than any other that I would like to leave with you today, it is my unswerving commitment to the keeping and to the strengthening of the peace. Peace is a journey of a thousand miles, and it must be taken one step at a time.

We know what we want:

The United States wants to prevent the dissemination of nuclear weapons to nations not now possessing them;
The United States wants to press on with arms control and reduction;
The United States wants to cooperate with all the members of this Organization to conquer everywhere the ancient enemies of mankind--hunger, and disease and ignorance;
The United States wants sanity, and security, and peace for all, and above all.
President Kennedy, I am sure, would regard as his best memorial the fact that in his 3 years as President the world became a little safer and the way ahead became a little brighter.''
The Story of the Kennedy Half Dollar
With President Johnson's proposed legislation in hand, the House of Representatives took up the matter exactly one week later, on December 17, 1963. Issues of concern raised on the floor that day included a lengthy discussion of the President's proposed use of the 50-cent denomination for the new coin to honor John F. Kennedy as well as the timing of the new coin's release
* The U.S. Mint had been quietly preparing to introduce the Kennedy coin since the days immediately following the assassination. There were "trial strikes" of Kennedy half dollars as early as Dec. 13. Mint officials wanted to put the new coins into production as close as possible to the start of the year to avoid having two versions circulating with a 1964 date.

* Jacqueline Kennedy and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy viewed test strikes of the new coin on Dec. 17, 1963. They asked mint officials to replace the profile portrait with a design showing a full figure or half figure of the late president. The mint's chief engraver, Gilroy Roberts, said there was not enough time to prepare new designs, and "strongly advocated the simplicity and directness of a profile portrait as being the best possible arrangement for a handsome, outstanding coin whose beauty would endure." -
Jackie Kennedy's blood-stained pink suit is being hidden from public view until 2103

For 50 years after John F Kennedy’s assassination in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, almost no one has laid eyes on the pink suit Jacqueline Kennedy was wearing the day her husband died.

Preserved in a climate-controlled vault outside of Washington, the suit and its accessories, still stained with JFK's blood, are being held by the National Archives under strict Kennedy family restrictions that it not be seen until at least 2103.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 17, 2013, 02:52:15 pm
If JFK had lived would Top Secret Operation AMWorld been activated?
AMWORLD: A plan initiated June 28, 1963, to overthrow the Castro regime in a coup on December 1, 1963 (C-Day), that would have installed Juan Almeida Bosque, a top ranking Cuban military officer, as the new head of state.[13][18]
Some Cuban exiles referred to C-Day as "Plan Omega

In 1963, after the Missile Crisis, the Kennedy administration continued to grapple with the problem of Cuba. CIA's project AMTRUNK continued to look for leaders inside Cuba to overthrow the Castro regime. Contingency plans for a military invasion of Cuba were formulated in support of a possible coup; a new theory put forth in the book Ultimate Sacrifice declares that these were more than contingency plans, and that an actual coup was planned for December 1, 1963.

At the same time as the continued planning, President Kennedy, perhaps shaken by the events of October 1962, looked for ways to defuse the situation and reach accommodation with Castro. On March 30, 1963, the State Dept. and Justice Dept. jointly announced their intent to ensure that Cuban exile groups conducting sabotage raids would no longer do so from U.S. soil. Faced with raids on training camps and loss of support, some of these groups relocated to other countries such as Nicaragua.

In September, following an interview of Castro by journalist Lisa Howard, Kennedy approved secret contacts between U.N. delegate William Atwood and Cuban Ambassador to the U.N. Carlos Lechuga. A preliminary meeting took place, and plans for more substantive talks in a neutral setting such as Mexico were proposed. Concern that such talks not leak out even to the rest of Kennedy's own government contributed to delays in organizing the secret talks.

In the midst of these events, the CIA reactivated contacts with Rolando Cubela, code-named AMLASH, an apparently disgruntled Cuban government official interesting in overthrowing Castro. High-level CIA officer Desmond Fitzgerald, at this time head of the Special Affairs Staff, took the extroardinary step of meeting with Cubela directly, and representing himself as an emissary of Robert Kennedy (there is no indication RFK was informed of this). On November 22, Cubela was being handed a poison pen by a CIA representative when news of Kennedy's death broke up the meeting.

Controversy lingers over whether the "two tracks" on Cuba were both under control of President Kennedy, or whether the CIA actively undermined Kennedy's peace initiatives by contacting Cubela.

Ultimate Sacrifice

John and Robert Kennedy. the Plan for a Coup in Cuba, and the murder of JFK
by Lamar Waldron with Thom Hartmann
Counterpoint Press, 2005, paperback

JFK's top-secret plan [was] to overthrow Castro an invade Cuba on December 1, 1963. "The Plan for a Coup in Cuba" (as it was titled in a memo for the Joint Chiefs of Staff) would include a "palace coup" to eliminate Castro, allowing a new Cuban "Provisional Government" to step into the power vacuum. The coup would be supported by a "full-scale invasion" of Cuba by the US military, if necessary
 In 1963, Juan Almeida was the powerful Commander of the Cuban Army, one of the most famous heroes of the Revolution-and he was going to lead JFK's "palace coup" against Fidel. Commander Almeida had been in direct contact with john and Robert Kennedy's top Cuban exile aide since May of 1963, and both men would be part of Cuba's new, post-coup Provisional Government. By the morning of November 22, 1963, Almeida had even received a large cash payment authorized by the Kennedys, and the CIA had placed his family under US protection in a foreign country

The "Plan for a Coup in Cuba" was fully authorized by JFK and personally run by Robert Kennedy Only about a dozen people in the US government knew the full scope of the plan, all of whom worked for the military or the CIA, or reported directly to Robert. The Kennedys' plan was prepared primarily by the US military, with the CIA playing a major supporting role. Input was also obtained from key officials in a few other agencies, but most of those who worked on the plan knew only about carefully compartmentalized aspects, believing it to be a theoretical exercise in case a Cuban official volunteered to depose Fidel.

The CIA's code name for their part of the coup plan has never surfaced in any book, article, or government report. Officially declassified in 1999, AMWORLD is the cryptonym the CIA used for the plan in their top-secret, internal documents Like the rest of the Kennedy coup plan, AMWORLD was withheld from Congress-including at least five Congressional investigations -for decades.

Congress was fully informed about AMWORLD only on March 14, 2006, when Rep. Christopher Shays's National Security subcommittee accepted for the record a six-page report from us detailing AMWORLD and JFK's coup plan.

Not only is JFK's coup plan/AMWORLD different from any previously disclosed US operation to eliminate Castro, it was far more advanced. As head of the Cuban Army, Commander Almeida controlled thousands of troops and was far more powerful than any other Cuban official the CIA had managed to enlist. The CIA had only recruited a disgruntled mid-level official named Rolando Cubela (codenamed AMLASH), while the CIA's AMTRUNK program tried without much success to recruit from the ranks of the Cuban military. Those plans were still in their early stages and having little success-unlike the Kennedy's coup plan, which was beginning the ten-day countdown to its December 1, 1963 coup on the day JFK died.

 The Kennedys coup plan/AMWORLD was undoubtedly one of the most secret covert operations in United States history. In its secrecy, however, lay tragedy. Even though the Kennedys' coup plan never came to fruition, three powerful Mafia dons-Carlos Marcello, Santo Trafficante, and Johnny Rosselli - learned of AMWORLD though their work for the CIA in other antiCastro plots. The Mafia bosses realized that high government officials would go to any lengths to avoid revealing it to the public. With that knowledge, the three mob bosses were able to assassinate JFK in a way that forced the truth to be buried for over forty years.

They did so by infiltrating key parts of AMWORLD, even though the Kennedys had barred the Mafia from any involvement in the coup plan or in post-coup Cuba (where the Mafia would not be allowed to reopen their casinos). The Mafia chiefs linked aspects of JFK's death to AMWORLD, while planting evidence to make it appear as if Castro had been behind the assassination. They knew this would prevent a full investigation of JFK'S murder-in order to protect the coup plan-and might even prompt a US invasion of Cuba. But their main goal was the death of JFK, so they had to act before December 1, 1963 in order to use the extreme secrecy surrounding the coup to shield their actions.

1. Documents Relating to "C-Day" Coup Plan

These documents relate to the alleged coup plan discussed in the book. The documents per se are certainly not conclusive on the "C-Day" plan, which is undocumented to the extent that even the term "C-Day" is invented by the authors in the absence of an actual one. Similarly, the CIA's AMWORLD operation is not clearly defined by the documents, except to the extent that it definitely involved Manuel Artime and was related to the movement of his operation to Nicaragua in 1963. However, tantalizing information in reports about Cuban exiles includes talk of a "PLAN JUDAS," the December 1 date in at least one instance, and other supportive details. Ultimately, evidence for the existence of such a coup plan relies mainly on the interviews conducted by the authors.

Legacy of Secrecy continues the call for release of additional documents related to AMWORLD and other matters. Author Lamar Waldron has called attention to a 2000 OMB Watch report entitled A Presumption of Disclosure, which reviewed the performance of the Assassination Records Review Board, noting accomplishments but also making the claim that "'well over a million CIA records' are still outstanding."

The State of the JFK Files

So, are the JFK files now all free? Not quite. While voluminous previously-secret records are now available, study of them points the way to what is missing and potentially significant.

For instance, it was only late in the ARRB's term that it came across records for CIA project AMWORLD, a key 1963 program of moving Manuel Artime and other anti-Castro exiles offshore, and interpreted by author Lamar Waldron as being formed in support of a Kennedy coup plan for Cuba. The handful of AMWORLD records point to more.
Published on Thursday, October 19, 2006 by  
 JFK's Biggest Secret Revealed -- But Will Congress Keep History from Repeating Itself?
 by Thom Hartmann and Lamar Waldron
The US government has finally made available to the public the biggest secret of JFK's presidency: In November 1963, JFK was secretly working with the #3 official in Cuba -- Commander Juan Almeida, head of the Cuban Army -- to stage a "palace coup" against Fidel Castro. Even today, the CIA currently lists Almeida as the #3 official in Cuba, just behind Raul Castro. The fact that Almeida remained unexposed and high in the Cuban government for decades is a primary reason that over four million pages of JFK assassination files were kept secret until the late 1990s

Almeida's revelation removes the last legitimate reason for keeping any of the JFK files secret. Even though their release was required by the 1992 JFK Act -- passed unanimously by Congress, due to the efforts of Senators like John Kerry and Christopher Dodd -- "well over a million CIA records" about the assassination remain secret until 2017. The Secret Service admitted destroying key records in 1995, three years after the law was passed, an incident that has never been investigated by Congress. And in late September 2006, a federal judge ignored the JFK Act when he threw out a lawsuit by a Washington Post reporter seeking files about Oswald, which the CIA had lied about withholding from the 1978 House Select Committee on Assassinations (which included then-Congressman Dodd).

Recently declassified files show that in addition to protecting Almeida, agencies from the CIA to the FBI to Naval Intelligence also withheld information to hide their own intelligence failures and domestic surveillance operations, as well as to protect the reputations of their own agencies and key officials. Santayana said, "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." That is certainly true in this case since, as the following examples show, that is true in this case since all the secrecy has impacted US domestic and foreign policy for decades, and continues to do so.

The JFK-Almeida coup plan (codenamed AMWORLD by the CIA) came about because of the failure to resolved the October 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. As JFK's Secretary of State Dean Rusk revealed to us -- and files later confirmed -- JFK's pledge not to invade Cuba never took effect because of Fidel's refusal to allow "UN inspections" for "weapons of mass destruction" that were part of JFK's deal with the Soviets to end the crisis. JFK, not Bush, was the first president to use those terms -- and to suffer tragic consequences because problems with such inspections led to an attempt to overthrow a foreign dictator.

The JFK-Almeida coup failed because it was infiltrated by three Mafia bosses targeted for prosecution by Attorney General Robert Kennedy (who played the leading role in managing the coup plan for his brother). The Mafia chiefs -- banned by the Kennedys from the coup plan, and from reopening their casinos in Cuba -- infiltrated the CIA's portion of the coup plan, and used parts of it to kill JFK in Dallas. This forced key US officials -- RFK, LBJ, and J. Edgar Hoover -- into a cover-up to protect Almeida and prevent a possible nuclear confrontation with the Soviets, a cover-up which continued for decades.

The Mafia bosses infiltrated the JFK-Almeida coup plan using contacts established during Richard Nixon's first "October Surprise," in 1960. The CIA admits it was working with the Mafia chiefs at that time, in an attempt to assassinate Fidel just before the 1960 election between Nixon and JFK. Unknown to JFK, the CIA continued using the Mafia bosses in their own anti-Castro operations into October and November of 1963, giving the mobsters a way to infiltrate JFK's coup plan with Almeida.

Robert Kennedy knew who killed his brother, and even told associates about the leading role of New Orleans godfather Carlos Marcello. But RFK couldn't tell the Warren Commission or the public -- or even allow a thorough investigation -- without endangering Almeida and risking World War III. The FBI finally got a detailed confession from Marcello in 1985 when he was in prison, thanks to a trusted FBI informant deemed credible by a Federal judge. But the FBI and the Reagan-Bush Justice Department withheld it from the public. They also refused to prosecute Marcello for numerous crimes the godfather confessed to on hundreds of hours of tapes generated by a court-authorized bug in his prison cell. This allowed Marcello to go free, after he was released from prison on a technicality. All of those 1985 tapes are still being withheld more than a decade after the godfather's death.

The JFK-Almeida coup plan -- and the Mafia's infiltration of it -- was withheld from the Warren Commission and at least six Congressional Committees, and some of those involved are still active in politics. Current Senator Arlen Specter was the Warren Commission attorney who dealt with two JFK aides who said they were pressured to alter their testimony about seeing shots from the grassy knoll "for the good of the country."

A dozen veterans of the JFK-Almeida coup plan -- and the Mafia's infiltration of it -- were involved in Watergate, though it was withheld from Congress and Justice Department prosecutors (including Ben-Veniste, later a member of the 9-11 Commission). At that time, Robert Bennett -- now a Senator from Utah -- had employed one of those veterans and was feeding information to Bob Woodward to protect the CIA.

Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were key officials in the Ford Administration -- and George H. W. Bush was CIA Director -- when information about the Mafia's infiltration of the JFK-Almeida coup plan was withheld from the Senate Church Committee (including Gary Hart and Walter Mondale) and Congress's Pike Committee.

Several veterans of the JFK-Almeida coup plan later surfaced in Iran-Contra, during the Reagan-Bush Administration. Some were involved with then-US Ambassador John Negroponte, currently the National Intelligence Director. But relevant information about the JFK-Almeida coup plan and the Mafia's infiltration of it was withheld from the Iran-Contra Committee (co-chaired by Lee Hamilton, later a member of the 9-11 Commission), and Senator John Kerry's Subcommittee on Narcotics.

Even after Kerry and Dodd helped to spearhead the 1992 JFK Act, the CIA and other agencies continued to withhold key information. US military and CIA veterans of the JFK-Almeida coup plan began a new outreach to high Cuban military officials in the mid-1990s. While those in the US military seemed sincere, this outreach would also allow the CIA to claim the 1963 files couldn't be released because the same people were still involved in the same type of active, ongoing operation.

•In the 1990s, numerous US coup attempts against Saddam failed for the same basic reason the JFK-Almeida coup plan failed (and one even resulted in an assassination attempt against President George H. W. Bush). Likewise, several of the key intelligence failures by the Bush Administration, the CIA, and the FBI in the months before 9-11 mirror those in declassified files about the 1963 intelligence failures that preceded JFK's assassination. But because of all the secrecy, those failures were never exposed. The lessons of history couldn't be learned, so the same agencies kept making the same mistakes -- and history kept repeating itself.

That will continue to be the tragic case, unless the public demands that Congress no longer allow the agencies and the courts to ignore the 1992 JFK Act. It's not just a partisan issue. Rep. Christopher Shays was the first member of Congress to acknowledge the files that are still being withheld, in the March 14, 2006 hearings of his National Security Subcommittee. Now that the US government has declassified Commander Almeida's secret work for JFK, there is no legitimate reason to withhold the "well over a million CIA records" and not to investigate the files the Secret Service and other agencies admit destroying.

As for Almeida, both RFK and the CIA were certain he was sincere in 1963 and not a double agent, and the evidence backs that up. Fidel only learned about Almeida's work for JFK in 1990, after which Almeida disappeared for several years. Fidel allowed him to rejoin the Cuban government because now -- as in 1963 -- he is one of the highest Black officials in Cuba, an important consideration in a country where some estimate that seventy percent of the population is of African descent. Almeida's family is safe because after RFK and the CIA helped them leave Cuba on a pretext in the fall of 1963, they never returned to Cuba to live.

Because Almeida's family and his work for JFK have been officially declassified, we can now tell the full story of the JFK-Almeida coup -- and its penetration by Marcello -- in the new, updated trade paperback edition of our book Ultimate Sacrifice: John and Robert Kennedy, the Plan for a Coup in Cuba, and the Murder of JFK. As it details, there was not a large conspiracy that killed JFK -- none of those named in this article were involved, except Marcello -- but there was a big effort to protect Almeida and to cover-up information that could harm the reputations of agencies and key officials.

With the publicity surrounding the release of the JFK-Almeida coup plan, this may be America's last chance to get the files JFK released before the year 2017 (when all the files are supposed to be released). With every member of Congress -- and a third of the Senate -- up for re-election, is there any reason to vote for a candidate who doesn't want to see the law enforced and all the JFK files released?

For more information about the JFK-Almeida coup plan, and the information we provided to Congress, see: Thom Hartmann and Lamar Waldron are authors of Ultimate Sacrifice: John and Robert Kennedy, the Plan for a Coup in Cuba, and the Murder of JFK. Hartmann is also a nationally syndicated progressive talk show host and the author of 16 other books in print, including Screwed: The Undeclared War on the Middle Class and What We Can Do About It.

Cuban President Fidel Castro (L) next to deceased commander Juan Almeida Bosque (R) in the Sierra Maestra, Cuba, 1958
Cuban revolutionary commander Almeida dies
Date September 13, 2009


Cuba's Vice President Juan Almeida Bosque (left) with President Raul Castro at the 50th anniversary of the Cuban revolution. Almeida, one of the original leaders of the Cuban revolution, has died of heart failure at the age of 82. Photo: Reuters

Cuban revolutionary commander Juan Almeida, who fought alongside Fidel Castro to bring down a pro-American dictatorship in Cuba in the 1950s, has died at the age of 82, the government announced.
The Death of JFK: Project Amworld

During June 1963, the Joint Chiefs approve plans for an internal coup in Cuba

The top officers at Headquarters’ Special Affairs Staff (SAS) and at JMWAVE generally assumed that Castro’s assassination was necessary for the internal coup to be successful.

In May 1963, the CIA’s Office of National Estimates evaluated what would happen if Castro was killed, and concluded that the gains could be heightened if a conflict broke out between the Cuban nationalists and the Moscow-line Communists shortly after his assassination. FitzGerald got a note from the psychological warfare chief that this is the “long-awaited memo on Castro death contingency”.[ 22 ]

The plan for an “internal coup” was finally proposed by the CIA to the Joint Chiefs in June 1963, saying that “several promising operations are already underway”, and received JFK’s approval on June 19.[ 23 ] We do know that the Kennedys were deeply involved in AMTRUNK and AMWORLD (a plan to foment an internal uprising, followed by small landings by Cuban exiles launched from Nicaragua and Costa Rica).

We don’t know, however, if the Kennedys knew anything about AMROD (falsely branding Moscow-liners as CIA agents), AMLASH (Cubela as assassin), and the ZR-RIFLE assassination efforts of Harvey, Morales and Roselli.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 19, 2013, 11:58:09 am
Strangely RFK moved to relax travel to Cuba in Dec 1963 - So AMWORLD was over with his brothers assassination , Castro was not the threat - it was internal.

Attorney General cited inconsistency with "our views as a free society"
 State Department overruled RFK proposal to withdraw prohibitions on travel

Documents Record First Internal Debate to Lift Ban

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 158

For more information contact  Peter Kornbluh - 202/994-7116 - [email protected]
Re-posted - April 23, 2009

Washington D.C. April 23, 2009 - Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy sought to lift the ban on U.S. citizens traveling to Cuba in December 1963, according to declassified records re-posted today by the National Security Archive. In a December 12, 1963, memorandum to Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Kennedy urged a quick decision "to withdraw the existing regulation prohibiting such trips." [ ]

Kennedy's memo, written less than a month after his brother's assassination in Dallas, argues that the travel ban imposed at the end of the Eisenhower administration was a violation of American freedoms and impractical in terms of law enforcement. Among his "principal arguments" for removing the restrictions on travel to Cuba was that freedom to travel "is more consistent with our views as a free society and would contrast with such things as the Berlin Wall and Communist controls on such travel."

Document 1: Department of Justice, Office of the Attorney General, "Travel to Cuba," December 12, 1963

In a comprehensive memorandum to Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Robert Kennedy presented the arguments for legalizing travel to Cuba before a number of student groups traveled there at Christmas time. There were two courses of action, he wrote: new efforts to block increased travel to Cuba, or "to withdraw the existing regulation prohibiting such trips. The first is unlikely to meet the problem and I favor the second," Kennedy informed Rusk. In his memo he presented several arguments for lifting the travel ban: that it was a violation of American liberties to restrict free travel; that it was impractical to arrest, indict and engage in "distasteful prosecutions" of scores of U.S. citizens who sought to go to Cuba; and that lifting the travel ban was likely to diminish the attraction of leftists who were organizing protest trips to Havana. "For all these reasons I believe that it would be wise to remove restrictions on travel to Cuba before we are faced with problems which are likely to be created in the immediate future."

Document 2: State Department, "Travel Regulations," December 13, 1963

Two State Department officers, legal advisor Abram Chayes and Abba Schwartz summarize Kennedy's arguments that "the ban on travel to Cuba be removed immediately," including that "the present travel restrictions are inconsistent with traditional American liberties." They note that lifting restrictions to Cuba is likely to be undertaken in the context of lifting most travel restrictions to other nations. They support Kennedy's proposal but favor passport validation which would require those who travel to apply for permission from the Secretary of State to go to Cuba.

Document 3: NSC, "Travel Controls-Cuba," December 18, 1963

This memo, written by the NSC's Latin American specialist Gordon Chase to national security advisor McGeorge Bundy, reveals that the Attorney General's proposal has been overruled at the State Department.

At a meeting on December 13, to which Justice department officials were not invited, State Department officials from the Latin American division successfully argued that lifting the ban would compromise U.S. pressures on other nations in the hemisphere to isolate Cuba and block students from traveling there. In addition, according to Chase, Abba Schwartz believed that Lyndon Johnson could not politically afford to lift the ban because it would "make him look unacceptably soft." The State Department's attention turns to steps the government can take to prevent U.S. students from violating the ban and traveling to Cuba.
Robert Kennedy tried to lift Cuba travel ban: documents
(AFP) – Apr 23, 2009

WASHINGTON (AFP) — One month after president John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, his brother, attorney general Robert Kennedy, tried to convince the US government to lift its travel ban to Cuba, according to documents released Thursday by the National Security Archive

The travel ban remained in effect until president Jimmy Carter refused to extend in 1977, but was reinstated under president Ronald Reagan in 1981.

President Barack Obama on April 13 lifted all travel restrictions for Cuban-Americans with relatives in Cuba.

Robert Kennedy was attorney general from 1961-1964, then served as New York senator until his assassination in June 1968, when he was campaigning for the Democratic Party presidential nomination in California.

The National Security Archives is a Washington-based non-governmental research group that collects and publishes declassified documents acquired through the Freedom of Information Act.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 19, 2013, 12:16:56 pm
December 19, 1963    NATIONAL GUARDIAN    5  

 Mark Lane ’s defense brief for Oswald    

Oswald Innocent?—A Lawyer’s Brief  
 A Report to the Warren Commission by Mark Lane

VOL. 16 No. 11    NEW YORK, DECEMBER 19, 1963  
By Mark Lane
IN ALL LIKELIHOOD there does not exist a single American community where reside 12 men or women, good and true, who presume that Lee Harvey Oswald did not assassinate President Kennedy. No more savage comment can be made in reference to the breakdown of the Anglo-Saxon system of jurisprudence. At the very foundation of our judicial operation lies a cornerstone which shelters the innocent and guilty alike against group hysteria, manufactured evidence, overzealous law enforcement officials, in short, against those factors which militate for an automated, prejudged, neatly packaged verdict of guilty. It is the sacred right of every citizen accused of committing a crime to the presumption of innocence.

This presumption, it has been written, is a cloak donned by the accused when the initial charge is made, and worn by him continuously. It is worn throughout the entire case presented against him, and not taken from the defendant until after he has had an opportunity to cross-examine hostile witnesses, present his own witnesses and to testify himself.

Oswald did not testify. Indeed, there will be no case, no trial, and Oswald, murdered while in police custody, still has no lawyer. Under such circumstances the development of a possible defense is difficult, almost impossible. Under such circumstances, the development of such a defense is obligatory.

There will be an investigation. No investigation, however soundly motivated, can serve as an adequate substitute for trial. Law enforcement officials investigate every criminal case before it is presented to a jury. The investigation in almost all such cases results in the firm conviction by the investigator that the accused is guilty. A jury often finds the defendant innocent, notwithstanding.

That which intervenes between the zealous investigator and the jury is due process of law, developed at great cost in human life and liberty over the years. It is the right to have irrelevant testimony barred. It is the right to have facts, not hopes or thoughts or wishes or prejudicial opinions, presented. It is the right to test by cross-examination the veracity of every witness and the value of his testimony. It is, perhaps above all, the right to counsel of one’s own choice, so that all the other rights may be protected. In this defense, Oswald has forfeited all rights along with his life.

The reader, inundated at the outset with 48 solid television, radio and newspaper hours devoted to proving the guilt of the accused and much additional “evidence” since then, cannot now examine this case without bringing to it certain preconceived ideas. We ask, instead, only for a temporary suspension of certainty.
JFK Assassination Conspiracy Theories: John F. Kennedy Facts - JFK - JFK Assassination
Immediately after the shooting, little information was available and many people suspected that the assassination was part of a larger plot. Ruby's shooting of Oswald compounded initial suspicions.

Mark Lane has been described as writing "the first literary shot" among conspiracy theorists with his article in the December 19, 1963 edition of the National Guardian, "Defense Brief for Oswald".

On December 1, 1966, William F. Buckley Jr. interviewed noted lawyer, author, and JFK assassination conspiracy theorist Mark Lane on Buckley's then-new TV program "Firing Line". 

[ Notice at minute 41 - Buckley and Lane discuss the possibility / ramifications of LBJ purposely withholding or misleading the Warren Commission findings  or investigation  ]  
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 22, 2013, 07:49:32 pm
Past president Harry Truman now feels the need to write an essay about the CIA's role - wonder why...'s%20CIA%20article.html
The Washington Post
December 22, 1963 - page A11

Harry Truman Writes:
Limit CIA Role  To Intelligence

By Harry S Truman
Copyright, 1963, by Harry S Truman

    INDEPENDENCE, MO., Dec. 21 — I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence Agency—CIA. At least, I would like to submit here the original reason why I thought it necessary to organize this Agency during my Administration, what I expected it to do and how it was to operate as an arm of the President.
For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.

     I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations. Some of the complications and embarrassment I think we have experienced are in part attributable to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the President has been so removed from its intended role that it is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue—and a subject for cold war enemy propaganda.

  With all the nonsense put out by Communist propaganda about "Yankee imperialism," "exploitive capitalism," "war-mongering," "monopolists," in their name-calling assault on the West, the last thing we needed was for the CIA to be seized upon as something akin to a subverting influence in the affairs of other people.

     I well knew the first temporary director of the CIA, Adm. Souers, and the later permanent directors of the CIA, Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg and Allen Dulles. These were men of the highest character, patriotism and integrity—and I assume this is true of all those who continue in charge.

     But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field—and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.
  We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it.

[ LBJ declares JFK died a martyrs death:  ]
Candlelight Service at Lincoln Memorial in Honor of JFK, 12/22/1963, MP769

Candlelight vigil at Lincoln Memorial and the lighting of the National Christmas Tree, December 22, 1963. MP 769.

Index terms: Speeches; Kennedy, President John F.

This film is from the LBJ Library moving picture collection created by the White House Naval Photographic Unit, aka the Navy Films. Public domain.

64 - Remarks at a Candlelight Memorial Service for President Kennedy.
December 22, 1963

THIRTY DAYS and a few hours ago, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 35th President of the United States, died a martyr's death. The world will not forget what he did here. He will live on in our hearts, which will be his shrine.

Throughout his life, he had malice toward none; he had charity for all. But a senseless act of mindless malice struck down this man of charity, and we shall never be the same.
So let us here on this Christmas night determine that John Kennedy did not live or die in vain, that this Nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of peace on earth, good will toward all men.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 24, 2013, 05:04:37 pm
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer...
Make sure they stay pat and don't crack out of turn
Photograph, President Lyndon B. Johnson visits the Texas Governor's Mansion, 12/24/1963, W245-36
Cabinet meeting Enlargement, Dec. 23, 1963, 1963-12-23-CA72-2
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 31, 2013, 10:44:19 am
Dec 31 1963: Driskill Hotel - Austin Tx


Lyndon Johnson and the JFK Assassination
 June 6, 2013

             On the night of New Year's Eve Dec. 31st, 1963, at the Driskill Hotel, Lyndon Johnson and Madeleine Brown, one of his longtime mistresses, had an interesting conversation. Madeleine asked LBJ if he had anything to do with the JFK assassination. Johnson got angry; he began pacing around and waving his arms. Then LBJ told her: it was Dallas, TX, oil executives and "renegade" intelligence agents who were behind the JFK assassination. LBJ later also told his chief of staff Marvin Watson that the CIA was involved in the murder of John Kennedy.

            Lyndon Johnson would often stay at the Driskill (room #254 today) and LBJ is confirmed by his presidential schedule as being present at the Driskill Hotel the night of 12/31/63

            History is proving that Lyndon Johnson played a key role in the JFK assassination. An important book is LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination (2011) by Phillip Nelson.  Roger Stone, an aide to Richard Nixon, is writing a book pinning the JFK assassination on LBJ. Stone quotes Nixon as saying “Both Johnson and I wanted to be president, but the only difference was I wouldn’t kill for it.”

            By 1973 Barry Goldwater privately telling people that he was convinced that LBJ was behind the JFK assassination.
According to Evelyn Lincoln, JFK's longtime secretary, LBJ and Sam Rayburn were using some of Hoover's blackmail information on John Kennedy to force JFK to put Johnson on the ticket in a hostile takeover of the vice presidency.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 05, 2014, 02:01:33 pm

" 1/1/64 "

Phone Call: President Johnson and Mrs. Kennedy

The following is a phone call between President Johnson and Mrs. Kennedy that took place on January 1, 1964.

LBJ: Hello?
JBK: Hello?
LBJ: Happy New Year.
JBK: Oh! Happy New Year to you, Mr. President!
LBJ: How you doing?
JBK: Oh, I’m doing fine. [inaudible] have to do?
LBJ: You getting some sunshine?
JBK: [laughing] Oh, it’s pouring rain today!
LBJ: We have a beautiful day here.
JBK: Oh, I see you’re all in Texas. It looked so successful, the Erhard thing. That really went off beautifully, didn’t it?
LBJ: Yes, we had a good meeting. He’s a pretty good fellow.
JBK: [inaudible] gosh, you know, I thought you’d get some rest when you get home, but you’re doing more than you do at the White House.
LBJ: Well—
JBK: [inaudible]
LBJ: I did this afternoon. I just waked up. I’m still in bed, and I just waked up thinking about you and wondering how you were getting along and what you did during the holidays. Santa Claus come see the kiddos?
JBK: Oh, [inaudible] so nice to me.
LBJ: I haven’t been nice to you. I just—I want to see you. When you coming back to Washington?
JBK: Sunday.
LBJ: Sunday?
JBK: Yes.
LBJ: Well I’ll probably come back Sunday, too. I haven’t made up my mind, but that’s pretty persuasive.
JBK: [Laughs] I’ll find out a time and let you know.
LBJ: Any time. Any time. You just quit being so modest now. Did you have any fun at all? Did you get out on the water any?
JBK: Oh, I did. I went swimming [inaudible]. And the presents! Gosh, that [inaudible].
LBJ: Well, you’re sweet. You’re sweet.
JBK: That was a wonderful [unclear].
LBJ: Well, bless your heart. They did a good job on you. Tell me, does John [Kennedy Jr.] like his automobile?
JBK: Oh, he loves that so! He loves that so. That ladder, we have to take it [inaudible]
LBJ: [Laughs.]
JBK: —up the stairs, up to his bedroom, down to the living room. He’s so mad about it.
LBJ: I’m going to come see him when he gets back to Washington.
JBK: So cute. Please see him.
LBJ: Well, she’s in—she was up to see the Navy game today, and Lynda had mixed emotions. Her boyfriend was a Navy man, and she was going to Texas.
JBK: Oh, who won? Did they go [inaudible]?
LBJ: Yeah, 28 to 6, Navy.
JBK: Navy?
LBJ: I mean Texas, Texas.
JBK: Oh, really?
LBJ: 28-6 Texas.
JBK: Oh, my.
LBJ: Yeah.
JBK: Oh, that’s the Cotton Bowl!
LBJ: Yeah. That’s right.
JBK: I was [inaudible].
LBJ: That’s right.
JBK: Good for them.
LBJ: You sound cheerful. I hope you are.
JBK: We’re all getting so much better. You know, everything’s better now.
LBJ: I think you’re a pretty great girl myself.
JBK: You’re very kind, Mr. President.
LBJ: All right—
JBK: [Inaudible]
LBJ: I just wanted to hear your voice and wish you a Happy New Year, and I’ll see you next week.
JBK: Great, Mr. President. You know, I’m so touched by it. And to think of the kids, too, with all you’ve got to do.
LBJ: Well, I’ve got a lot to do with you yet, dear.
JBK: Well, I would do anything for you!
LBJ: All right. Goodbye, darling.
JBK: Goodbye. Happy New Year!

| - - -
Photograph, Chancellor Ludwig Erhard of Germany Visits the LBJ Ranch, Dec. 1963, 30930
Description: L-R: unidentified, Lady Bird Johnson, Ludwig Erhard, President Lyndon B. Johnson
Date: 1963-12-28,  1963-12-29
Religion Roman Catholicism
Konrad Hermann Joseph Adenauer (German pronunciation: [ˈkɔnʁaːt ˈhɛɐman ˈjoːzɛf ˈaːdənaʊɐ]; 5 January 1876 – 19 April 1967) was a German statesman. As the first post-war Chancellor of Germany (West Germany) from 1949 to 1963, he led his country from the ruins of World War II to a productive and prosperous nation that forged close relations with old enemies France and the United States.[1]

In October 1962, a scandal erupted when police arrested five Der Spiegel journalists, charging them with espionage for publishing a memo detailing weaknesses in the West German armed forces. Adenauer had not initiated the arrests, but initially defended the person responsible, Defense Minister Franz Josef Strauss, and called the Spiegel memo "abyss of treason". After public outrage and heavy protests from the coalition partner FDP he dismissed Strauss, but the reputation of Adenauer and his party had already suffered.[264][265]

Adenauer managed to remain in office for almost another year, but the scandal increased the pressure already on him to fulfill his promise to resign before the end of the term. Adenauer was not on good terms in his last years of power with his economics minister Ludwig Erhard and tried to block him from the chancellorship.

In January 1963, Adenauer privately supported General Charles de Gaulle's veto of Britain's attempt to join the European Economic Community, and was only prevented from saying so openly by the need to preserve unity in his cabinet as most of his ministers led by Ludwig Erhard supported Britain's application.[266]

A Francophile, Adenauer saw a Franco-German partnership as the key for European peace and prosperity and shared de Gaulle's view that Britain would be a disputative force in the EEC.[267] Adenauer failed in his efforts to block Erhard as his successor, and in October 1963 he turned the office over to Erhard. He did remain chairman of the CDU until his resignation in December 1966

Religion Lutheranism
Ludwig Wilhelm Erhard (German: [ˈluːdvɪk ˈɛʁhaʁt]; 4 February 1897 – 5 May 1977) was a German politician affiliated with the CDU and Chancellor of West Germany from 1963 until 1966. He is notable for his leading role in German postwar economic reform and economic recovery ("Wirtschaftswunder", German for "economic miracle"), particularly in his role as Minister of Economics under Chancellor Konrad Adenauer in 1949, prior to his own ascension to the Chancellorship in 1963.
After the resignation of Adenauer in 1963, Erhard was elected Chancellor with 279 against 180 votes in the Bundestag on 16 October. In 1965, he was re-elected. From 1966 to 1967, he also headed the Christian Democratic Union as de facto chairman, despite the fact that he was never a member of that party (which made his election to the chairmanship irregular and void de jure), as he never formally filed a membership application despite pressures from Chancellor Adenauer
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: chris jones on January 05, 2014, 02:41:42 pm
 JFK made many enemies, many of them  were LBJ's playmates. Bankers, the Federal reserve, CIA, MIC, DOD, Mafia, elites- etc. etc
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 05, 2014, 10:39:43 pm
JFK made many enemies, many of them  were LBJ's playmates. Bankers, the Federal reserve, CIA, MIC, DOD, Mafia, elites- etc. etc

In this thread, I haven't covered HW Bush or Nixon much , but I think it was no accident they ended up as Presidents:

Nixon was the intended President follow up MIC controlled Eisenhower ( but hey Kennedy's were made men too)  , LBJ became placed as VP by using Hoover supplied blackmail on the Kennedy brothers, I showed earlier how Ford was Blackmailed by LBJ,  Carter was another controlled asset ( NUCK Navy man/OSI - just keep eating those peanuts "Jimmy" ( it is interesting that under Carter "banned" assassinations...
Executive Order 12036 created new oversight committees and offered many new restrictions on the U.S. Intelligence Community

Executive Order 12036 is a United States Presidential Executive Order signed on January 24, 1978, by President Jimmy Carter that imposed restrictions on and reformed the U.S. Intelligence Community along with further banning indirect U.S. involvement in assassinations. The EO was designed to strengthen and expand Executive Order 11905, which was originally signed by Gerald R. Ford in 1976. ]

, Reagan was quickly shot to keep him in line while Bush ran his pet projects  , Clinton a son of a Rockefeller helped run the ops in Arkansas , along with his CIA operative wife. ) etc Bush II etc  Barry Soetoro ...

These people have projects with timelines - Millions and Billions and now Trillions depend on keeping to the timetable. Presidents don't get in the way of those timetables or else.

 Dark Legacy
Relying exclusively on government documents, statements from the best witnesses available, and the words from the mouths of the killers themselves, Dark Legacy produces a thoroughly substantiated criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a CIA supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy. ...    (

JFK Assassination Conspiracy:

The Whole Bay of Pigs Thing:

Nixon once said of WaterGate that it could uncover "the whole Bay of Pigs things". By this discrete and hidden statement we now know that he was revealing inside knowledge of deeper ties between the WaterGate burglers (E. Howard Hunt, and Frank Sturgis) and their ties to previous covert operations. Although these men have careers going back to before the Bay of Pigs invasion. There are deeper hidden ties between these individuals and events that will be revealed in the course of this page.

Nixon was in Dallas to give a morning address to a soda bottler's convention and left the city at 9:05 a.m., about three hours before the assassination, Baker writes. He was back in New York City when the news of the assassination shocked the nation. Nixon also called a press conference...on Nov. 21...criticizing Kennedy's policies on civil rights and foreign relations but also urging Texans to show courtesy to the president during his visit."

Nixon also told the reporters on Nov. 21 -- the day before the assassination -- press conference that Kennedy was going to replace Lyndon Johnson with a new running mate in 1964. Baker says "This was a particularly incendiary thing to say, since the whole reason for Kennedy's visit was to cement his links to Texas Democrats, help bridge a gap between the populist and conservative wings of the state party, and highlight his partnership with Johnson." Nixon's comment gained a place in the early edition of the Dallas Morning News on Nov. 23, under the headline: "Nixon Predicts JFK May Drop Johnson."

Sources: Russ Baker "Family of Secrets", and "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs

Bush Identified as CIA agent in FBI Hoover Memo:

Harbinger Group Inc. (NYSE:HRG), formerly Zapata Corporation, is a holding company based in Rochester, New York, and originating from an oil company started by a group including the former United States president George H. W. Bush. Various writers have alleged links between the company and the United States Central Intelligence Agency. In 2009, it was renamed the Harbinger Group Inc.

James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr. (born October 1, 1924
He applied for the US Navy's fledgling nuclear submarine program run by then Captain Hyman G. Rickover. Rickover's demands on his men and machines were legendary, and Carter later said that, next to his parents, Rickover had the greatest influence on him. Carter has said that he loved the Navy, and had planned to make it his career. His ultimate goal was to become Chief of Naval Operations.
Upon the death of his father James Earl Carter, Sr., in July 1953, Carter was urgently needed to run the family business. Resigning his commission, he was discharged from the Navy on October 9, 1953. In a critical biography, author Steven Hayward stated that Carter could have had a distinguished naval career, with eventual promotion to admiral a possibility
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 08, 2014, 05:59:08 pm
Lyndon Johnson State of the Union Address - War on Poverty (January 8, 1964)
State of the Union (January 8, 1964)

Lyndon Baines Johnson

Mr. Speaker, Mr. President, members of the House and Senate, my fellow Americans:

 I will be brief, for our time is necessarily short and our agenda is already long.

 Last year's congressional session was the longest in peacetime history. With that foundation, let us work together to make this year's session the best in the nation's history.

 Let this session of Congress be known as the session which did more for civil rights than the last hundred sessions combined; as the session which enacted the most far-reaching tax cut of our time;

as the session which declared all-out war on human poverty and unemployment in these United States;

as the session which finally recognized the health needs of all our older citizens; as the session which reformed our tangled transportation and transit policies; as the session which achieved the most effective, efficient foreign aid program ever; and as the session which helped to build more homes, more schools, more libraries, and more hospitals than any single session of Congress in the history of our Republic.
Let us carry forward the plans and programs of John Fitzgerald Kennedy—not because of our sorrow or sympathy, but because they are right.

 In his memory today, I especially ask all members of my own political faith, in this election year, to put your country ahead of your party, and to always debate principles; never debate personalities.

 For my part, I pledge a progressive administration which is efficient, and honest and frugal. The budget to be submitted to the Congress shortly is in full accord with this pledge.

Unfortunately, many Americans live on the outskirts of hope—some because of their poverty, and some because of theft color, and all too many because of both. Our task is to help replace their despair with opportunity.

This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America. I urge this Congress and all Americans to join with me in that effort.

 It will not be a short or easy struggle, no single weapon or strategy will suffice, but we shall not rest until that war is won. The richest nation on earth can afford to win it. We cannot afford to lose it. One thousand dollars invested in salvaging an unemployable youth today can return $40,000 or more in his lifetime.

 Poverty is a national problem, requiring improved national organization and support. But this attack, to be effective, must also be organized at the state and the local level and must be supported and directed by state and local efforts.

 For the war against poverty will not be won here in Washington. It must be won in the field, in every private home, in every public office, from the courthouse to the White House.

 The program I shall propose will emphasize this cooperative approach to help that one-fifth of all American families with incomes too small to even meet their basic needs.

 Our chief weapons in a more pinpointed attack will be better schools, and better health, and better homes, and better training, and better job opportunities to help more Americans, especially young Americans, escape from squalor and misery and unemployment rolls where other citizens help to carry them.

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Johnson's war on poverty is about more than feeding and housing the poor

We've become so fixated on welfare that we're missing President Johnson's bigger message about what needs to be done
The 50th anniversary of President Lyndon Johnson's announcement of "The War on Poverty" has, of course, brought umpteen assessments of the war's success (and failure). Officially, we haven't moved the needle much. By the Census Department's accounting, the US poverty rate has gone down just four points, from 19 to 15%, and economic inequality has soared. Conservatives argue that the minimal changes in poverty levels just don't justify all the spending on anti-poverty programs. Progressives ask, isn't 46 million people living in poverty still too many? Shouldn't we do more?
That’s rich: Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record

By Dave Boyer
The Washington Times
Tuesday, January 7, 2014

Fifty years after President Johnson started a $20 trillion taxpayer-funded war on poverty, the overall percentage of impoverished people in the U.S. has declined only slightly and the poor have lost ground under President Obama.

Aides said Mr. Obama doesn’t plan to commemorate the anniversary Wednesday of Johnson’s speech in 1964, which gave rise to Medicaid, Head Start and a broad range of other federal anti-poverty programs. The president’s only public event Tuesday was a plea for Congress to approve extended benefits for the long-term unemployed, another reminder of the persistent economic troubles during Mr. Obama’s five years in office.

“What I think the American people are really looking for in 2014 is just a little bit of stability,” Mr. Obama said.
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Post by: TahoeBlue on February 06, 2014, 02:24:05 pm
By Febuary 1964 - Mourning for JFK was officially over when the Beatles showed up for their first appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show ....
Beatles flashback: 50th anniversary of first appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show

Ed Sullivan, center, stands with The Beatles during a rehearsal for the British group's first American appearance, on the "Ed Sullivan Show," in New York on Feb. 9, 1964. From left: Ringo Starr, George Harrison, Sullivan, John Lennon and Paul McCartney. | AP Photo

It’s been 50 years since 73 million people tuned in to The Ed Sullivan Show to watch the Beatles perform live on American TV for the first time.
The Beatles first song they performed was “All My Loving”
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on February 10, 2014, 11:20:06 am
Planned in 1963 and rolled out in 1964 ( the big X-Mas item later in 1964) in time for ten years of Vietnam - G.I. Joe !!! ,,,,
Rhode Island’s Hasbro Celebrates 50 Years of G.I. Joe
Thursday, February 06, 2014
GoLocalProv Lifestyle Team

Pawtucket's Hasbro Corporation celebrates the launch of one of their most prized products today, the G.I. Joe action figure

The toy was an enormous success when it debuted in 1964, flying off shelves at four dollars a piece. Billed as the world's first "action figure," G.I. Joe was the first ever moveable doll marketed to boys. Fifty years later, Pawtucket's Hasbro is an international success, and Joe has spawned a franchise of comic books, T.V. series, and blockbuster movies--not to mention the bestselling toys and accessories--that has endured for fifty years.

G.I. Joe action figure toy celebrates 50th birthday
Published: Thursday, February 6, 2014, 9:50 PM

The birthday of what's called the world's first action figure is being celebrated this month by collectors and the toy maker who first introduced it at the annual toy fair in New York City in early 1964.

SARATOGA SPRINGS, N.Y. — G.I. Joe is turning 50.

The birthday of what's called the world's first action figure is being celebrated this month by collectors and the toy maker that introduced it just before the nation plunged into the quagmire that would become the Vietnam War — a storm it seems to have weathered pretty well.

Since Hasbro brought it to the world's attention at the annual toy fair in New York City in early 1964, G.I. Joe has undergone many changes, some the result of shifts in public sentiment for military-themed toys, others dictated by the marketplace


"Joe stood for everything that was meant to be good: fighting evil, doing what's right for people," said Alan Hassenfeld, the 65-year-old former CEO for Pawtucket, R.I.-based Hasbro Inc., whose father, Merrill, oversaw G.I. Joe's development in 1963.
G.I. Joe hit the shelves in time for the 1964 Christmas shopping season and soon became a big seller at $4 apiece.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 26, 2014, 12:35:27 pm

November 25, 1963 (Monday)
The state funeral of John F. Kennedy takes place in Washington, DC; the President is buried at Arlington National Cemetery. Classes are cancelled at schools around the USA, and millions watch the funeral on live international television. International figures present include King Baudouin I of Belgium; Prime Minister Lester B. Pearson of Canada; Prime Minister Jens Otto Krag of Denmark; Emperor Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia; President Charles de Gaulle of France; Chancellor Ludwig Erhard of West Germany; Queen Frederica of Greece; President Éamon de Valera of Ireland; President Park Chung-hee of Korea; Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg; and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

November 27, 1963 - U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson establishes the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination of President Kennedy.
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Post by: larsonstdoc on November 26, 2014, 01:24:34 pm


  Crossfire ---by Jim Marrs

  Kill Zone ---by Craig Roberts

  JFK-The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F Kennedy ---by L. Fletcher Prouty


  Oliver Stone's movie
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 26, 2014, 01:54:39 pm
I'll always remember my family saying a special prayer over Thanksgiving dinner for JFK and the Kennedy family
Title: Irish Man Demands Reparations For Slavery
Post by: jerryweaver on November 26, 2014, 02:08:33 pm
Irish Man Demands Reparations For Slavery
JFK and the Irish mafia.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 26, 2014, 02:20:53 pm

David Francis Powers was born in Charlestown, Massachusetts on 25th April, 1912. Both his parents had emigrated to the United States from County Cork, Ireland. After leaving school he worked for Sampson and Murdock Publishing Company but continued his education by taking evening courses at Boston University.

In 1942 Powers joined the 14th Air Force and during the Second World War and later served with the Flying Tigers in Japan, China and Burma.

In 1946 Powers joined the political campaign of John F. Kennedy. Concentrating on the working-class neighborhood of Charlestown, Powers helped Kennedy to win the 11th Congressional district seat. Powers also helped Kennedy against Henry Cabot Lodge in the 1952 Senate race. During this period, Powers, Larry O'Brien, Matthew McCloskey and Kenneth O'Donnell became known as Kennedy's Irish Mafia.

After Kennedy's successful presidential campaign in 1960, Powers became his Special Assistant. His duties included escorting guests in the White House. Powers was also one of Kennedy's closest political advisers. Pierre Salinger, Kennedy’s press secretary, said Powers was “the most gregarious and popular member of the staff.” Kenneth O'Donnell said: “Outside of Bobby, President Kennedy had one really close friend and that was Dave Powers.”

On the 22nd November, 1963, Powers travelled in the Secret Service car immediately behind the presidential car. Powers later admitted to Tip O'Neill that say that he was sure he had heard two shots that came from behind the Grassy Knoll fence. Kenneth O'Donnell, who was sitting next to Powers, also supported this view of the assassination. O'Donnell commented: "I told the FBI what I had heard, but they said it couldn't have happened that way and that I must have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me to. I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the family."

JFK Aide David Francis Powers Dies at 85
 By Bart Barnes
 Washington Post Staff Writer
 Saturday, March 28, 1998; Page B06   

David Francis Powers, 85, who helped a young Navy veteran named John F. Kennedy win his first election to Congress and then served as his personal aide and confidant through his presidency, died March 27 at a medical facility in Arlington, Mass. The cause of death was not reported.

Mr. Powers was an unemployed veteran of the Army Air Forces and the famed "Flying Tigers" of World War II when the 27-year-old Kennedy climbed three dimly lighted flights of stairs in an apartment house near Bunker Hill in the Charlestown section of Boston and knocked on his door one day in 1946.

"My name is Jack Kennedy. I'm a candidate for Congress, and I'd like you to work for me," Kennedy said. Mr. Powers, who was known for his connections, access and savvy in the rough-and-tumble of Boston's Irish ethnic politics, took a day to consider the offer. But he finally agreed, and for the next 17 years he was at Kennedy's side for every major decision, crisis, political campaign and presidential trip.


"The president hates to be alone, except when he is catching up on his reading," Mr. Powers said in 1962. "So in the evening we watch television together or talk. But when the president starts to read, you don't say anything until he speaks to you."

Hanging above Mr. Powers's desk at the JFK Library and Museum was a picture of the Kennedy children and a thank you note from Jacqueline Kennedy for Mr. Powers's assistance during the weeks after the president's assassination.

For several months after Kennedy's death, Mr. Powers left his White House office daily at noon to have lunch with Jacqueline Kennedy and John F. Kennedy Jr. at their house in Georgetown. There he usually read stories to the young John Kennedy.

"Mrs. Kennedy thinks the boy eats a bigger lunch when I'm there. I'm always glad to do it," Mr. Powers said.

"Dave Powers was a loyal and devoted friend whom my mother and father adored," said Caroline Kennedy, president of the Kennedy Library Foundation. "I will always be grateful for his personal kindness and for his tireless efforts on behalf of the Kennedy Library."
Dave Powers Interview 1
Dave Powers Interview 2

Affidavit Of David F. Powers
The following affidavit was executed by David F. Powers on May 18, 1964.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jerryweaver on November 26, 2014, 11:19:29 pm
The voice of the grassroots JFK research community
Posted on Nov 26, 2014

Garland Brown stops in for a wide-ranging conversation, and to recap for us last Friday’s “The Kennedy Assassination 50+1″, the public seminar presenting Evidence for Conspiracy in the Kennedy Assassination held by Garland and his Criminal Justice II Class in Columbia, TN.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jerryweaver on November 27, 2014, 09:55:14 am

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

Evidence of link between Nazis still in operation after World War II to the still unsolved murder of John F. Kennedy

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 28, 2014, 11:20:42 am
The Jim Garrison Tapes

Posted May 21, 2014

Washington, DC, May 21, 2014 –  The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit yesterday joined the CIA's cover-up of its Bay of Pigs disaster in 1961 by ruling that a 30-year-old volume of the CIA's draft "official history" could be withheld from the public under the "deliberative process" privilege, even though four of the five volumes have previously been released with no harm either to national security or any government deliberation.


Last week, the National Security Archive filed its appeal in the Washington DC District Court over the release of the fifth and final volume of an internal CIA history of the Bay of Pigs invasion.   The Archive’s FOIA lawsuit has already won the release of three volumes (a fourth was released by the JFK assassination review board).  The CIA  (supported by the Department of Justice) had argued that volume five (but not the other volumes, head scratchingly) must be withheld under the b(5) deliberative process exemption, because its release could “confuse the public.”
Bay of Pigs Release
(Updated August 2, 2011)

The CIA history of the Bay of Pigs operation in 1961, originally classified top secret, based on dozens of interviews with key operatives and officials and hundreds of CIA documents. The four volumes include information never before released and comprise (I) Air Operations, March 1960-1961; (II) Participation in the Conduct of Foreign Policy; (III) Evolution of CIA's Anti-Castro Policies, 1959-January 1961; and (IV) The Taylor Committee Investigation of the Bay of Pigs.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 28, 2014, 11:26:52 am
Thanksgiving Message (November 28, 1963)
Lyndon B. Johnson

My fellow Americans:

On yesterday I went before the Congress to speak for the first time as President of the United States.

Tonight, on this Thanksgiving, I come before you to ask your help, to ask your strength, to ask your prayers that God may guard this Republic and guide my every labor

All of us have lived through 7 days that none of us will ever forget. We are not given the divine wisdom to answer why this has been, but we are given the human duty of determining what is to be, what is to be for America, for the world, for the cause we lead, for all the hopes that live in our hearts.

A great leader is dead; a great Nation must move on. Yesterday is not ours to recover, but tomorrow is ours to win or to lose. I am resolved that we shall win the tomorrows before us. So I ask you to join me in that resolve, determined that from this midnight of tragedy, we shall move toward a new American greatness.

More than any generation before us, we have cause to be thankful, so thankful, on this Thanksgiving Day. Our harvests are bountiful, our factories flourish, our homes are safe, our defenses are secure. We live in peace. The good will of the world pours out for us.

But more than these blessings, we know tonight that our system is strong--strong and secure. A deed that was meant to tear us apart has bound us together. Our system has passed--you have passed--a great test. You have shown what John F. Kennedy called upon us to show in his proclamation of this Thanksgiving: that decency of purpose, that steadfastness of resolve, and that strength of will which we inherit from our forefathers. What better conveys what is best for America than this?

On Saturday, when these great burdens had been mine only hours, the first two citizens to call upon me and to offer their whole support were Dwight D. Eisenhower and Harry S. Truman.

Since last Friday, Americans have turned to the good, to the decent values of our life. These have served us. Yes, these have saved us. The service of our public institution and our public men is the salvation of us all from the Supreme Court to the States. And how much better would it be, how much more sane it would be, how much more decent and American it would be if all Americans could spend their fortunes and could give their time and spend their energies helping our system and its servants to solve your problems instead of pouring out the venom and the hate that stalemate us in progress.

I have served in Washington 32 years -- 32 years yesterday. I have seen five Presidents fill this awesome office. I have known them well and I have counted them all as friends--President Herbert Hoover, President Franklin Roosevelt, President Harry Truman, President Dwight Eisenhower, and President John Kennedy.

In each administration the greatest burden that the President had to bear had been the burden of his own countrymen's unthinking and unreasoning hate and division.

So, in these days, the fate of this office is the fate of us all. I would ask all Americans on this day of prayer and reverence to think on these things.

Let all who speak and all who teach and all who preach and all who publish and all who broadcast and all who read or listen-let them reflect upon their responsibilities to bind our wounds, to heal our sores, to make our society well and whole for the tasks ahead of us.

It is this work that I most want us to do: to banish rancor from our words and malice from our hearts; to close down the poison spring of hatred and intolerance and fanaticism; to perfect our unity north and south, east and west; to hasten the day when bias of race, religion, and region is no more; and to bring the day when our great energies and decencies and spirit will be free of the burdens that we have borne too long.

Our view is outward, our thrust is forward, but we remember in our hearts this brave young man who lies in honored eternal rest across the Potomac. We remember him; we remember his wonderful and courageous widow that we all love. We remember Caroline and John and all the great family who gave the Nation this son and brother.

And to honor his memory and the future of the works he started, I have today determined that Station No. 1 of the Atlantic Missile Range and the NASA Launch Operation Center in Florida shall hereafter be known as the John F. Kennedy Space Center.

I have also acted today with the understanding and the support of my friend, the Governor of Florida, Farris Bryant, to change the name of Cape Canaveral. It shall be known hereafter as Cape Kennedy.

On this Thanksgiving Day, as we gather in the warmth of our families, in the mutual love and respect which we have for one another, and as we bow our heads in submission to divine providence, let us also thank God for the years that He gave us inspiration through His servant, John F. Kennedy.

Let us today renew our dedication to the ideals that are American. Let us pray for His divine wisdom in banishing from our land any injustice or intolerance or oppression to any of our fellow Americans whatever their opinion, whatever the color of their skins--for God made all of us, not some of us, in His image. All of us, not just some of us, are His children.

And, finally, to you as your President, I ask that you remember your country and remember me each day in your prayers, and I pledge to you the best within me to work for a new American greatness, a new day when peace is more secure, when justice is more universal, when freedom is more strong in every home of all mankind.

Thank you and good night.
THE PRESIDENT’S DAILY DIARY: November 28, 1963-page 2

Who was George McBundy? Why did lbj talk to him at Thanksgiving? Totally the NWO inside man liaison

McGeorge "Mac" Bundy (March 30, 1919 – September 16, 1996) was an American expert in foreign and defense policy, serving as United States National Security Advisor to presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson from 1961 through 1966
. He was president of the Ford Foundation from 1966 through 1979. He is known primarily for his role in escalating the involvement of the United States in the Vietnam War during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations.

After World War II, during which Bundy served as an intelligence officer, in 1949 he was selected for the Council on Foreign Relations. He worked with a study team on implementation of the Marshall Plan. He was appointed as a professor of government at Harvard University, and in 1953 as its youngest dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, working to develop Harvard as a merit-based university. In 1961 he joined Kennedy's administration. After serving at the Ford Foundation, in 1979 he returned to academia as professor of history at New York University, and later as scholar in residence at the Carnegie Corporation.
Born in 1919 and raised in Boston, Massachusetts, Bundy was the second son of a wealthy family long involved in Republican politics. His older brother was William Putnam Bundy.[1] His mother, Katherine Lawrence (Putnam), was the daughter of two Boston Brahmin families listed in the Social Register. His father, Harvey Hollister Bundy, was from Grand Rapids, Michigan and was a prominent attorney in Boston.

The couple met Colonel Henry L. Stimson and became friends. As Secretary of State under Hoover, in 1931 Stimson appointed Harvey Bundy as his Assistant Secretary of State. Later Bundy served again under Stimson as Secretary of War, acting as Special Assistant on Atomic Matters,[2] and serving as liaison between Stimson and the director of the Office of Scientific Research and Development, Vannevar Bush.[3] William and McGeorge grew up knowing Stimson as a family friend and colleague of their father.[4] The senior Bundy also helped implement the Marshall Plan.

McGeorge Bundy attended the elite Dexter School in Brookline, Massachusetts and the Groton School, where he placed first in his class and ran the student newspaper and debating society. He was admitted to Yale University, one year behind his brother William. At Yale, where he majored in mathematics, he served as secretary of the Yale Political Union and then chairman of its Liberal Party. He was on the staff of the Yale Literary Magazine and also wrote a column for the Yale Daily News. Like his father, he was inducted into the Skull and Bones secret society, where he was nicknamed "Odin". He remained in contact with his fellow Bonesmen for decades afterward.[5] He graduated Yale in the class of 1940.

Military service[edit]

During World War II Bundy served as a U.S. Army intelligence officer

From 1945 to 1947, Bundy worked with Henry L. Stimson as co-author of his third-person autobiography, On Active Service in Peace and War (1947).[7] Stimson had recently retired as US Secretary of War.

In 1949, Bundy took a position at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York to study Marshall Plan aid to Europe. The study group included such luminaries as Dwight Eisenhower, commanding general of the Allied forces; Allen Dulles, Richard M. Bissell, Jr. and George Kennan, diplomat to the Soviet Union. The group's deliberations were sensitive and secret, dealing as they did with the classified fact that there was a covert side to the Marshall Plan, by which the CIA used certain funds to aid anti-communist groups in France and Italy

Bundy moved into public political life in 1961 when appointed as National Security Advisor in the administration of President John F. Kennedy. One of Kennedy's "wise men," Bundy played a crucial role in all of the major foreign policy and defense decisions of the Kennedy administration and was retained by Lyndon B. Johnson for part of his tenure.

Bundy was involved in the Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Vietnam War.

 From 1964 under Johnson, he was also Chairman of the 303 Committee, responsible for coordinating government covert operations.[11] Bundy was a strong proponent of the Vietnam War during his tenure, believing it essential to contain communism. He supported escalating United States involvement, including commitment of hundreds of thousands of ground troops and the sustained bombing of North Vietnam in 1965. Studies of the memorandums and policy papers since those years have revealed that Bundy and other advisors well understood the risk but proceeded with these actions largely because of domestic politics, rather than believing that the US had a realistic chance of victory in this war.[4]

He left government in 1966 to serve as president of the Ford Foundation, succeeding his brother William Putnam Bundy. He served in this position until 1979.
Johnson Conversation with McGeorge Bundy on Nov 27, 1963 (K6311.03)

[ There is also Bundy's Brother William Bundy who was the head of the Bilderberg Group for many years and during the JFK/LBJ time period a top CIA guy ... ]
The Bundy Bloodline
Families in the world who are allied  with the Illuminati

McGeorge Bundy (1919- )--MJ-12, Skull & Bones (init. 1940), C.F.R., President Ford Foundation, Bilderberger, Special Assistant to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson on National Security Affairs--National Security Advisor.

William Putnam Bundy (1917- )--Skull and Bones (Init. 1939), C.F.R, CIA (1951-61, once CIA always CIA), editor of CFR’s Foreign Affairs (1972- ), member of the PERMANENT STEERING COMMITTEE of the Bilderbergers, Ass. Sec. of State, Far Eastern Affairs ’64-69, 1960 Staff Dir. of Presidential Commission on National Goals, Prof. MIT (1969-71), part of the law firm of Covington & Burling which represents many of the Illuminati elite in Washington, D.C..

Most Americans would not recognize the Bundy family as a powerful elite family. However, during recent history two Bundy brothers held the key positions that controlled most of the information that was fed to U.S. Presidents during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. When Johnson took over after J.F. Kennedy was assassinated McGeorge Bundy was in the key position as Nat. Sec. Advisor to determine what the President did and didn’t hear. His brother was in a key State Dept. position. Both Bundy brothers were also fraternal brothers of the Illuminati Order of the Skull and Bones. Interestingly, Jonas Mills Bundy (1835-1891) was a key advisor to President Grant, President Garfield, and President Chester A. Arthur. McGeorge Bundy and his brother William P. Bundy have held important CFR and important Bilderberger positions.

This in itself makes it clear that the position and power of these two men is extensive. McGeorge Bundy sat on MJ-12, which is the council of wise men that rules the United States. (See Be Wise As Serpents chptr. 2.13 for an explanation about what MJ-12 is and documentation). United States has been the most powerful nation overall on the earth, so without a doubt McGeorge has had both great public-known and great secret power. The three most prominent Bundys to write about are Harvey Hollister Bundy, Sr., William P. Bundy, and McGeorge Bundy. We will now take a look at these three along with Eric Bundy, who was given a key position in a sinister plot to steal all wealth and power of Howard Hughes. and Harry W. Bundy, who was a chief adept of one branch of the Illuminati.

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[ With the soon to be assassinated RFK assassination (Date
June 5, 1968 ) else RFK (who declared he would run for Prez March 16, 1968) and would probably win and expose lbj's crimes and foil the plan to make Nixon Prez... ,  it was decided that LBJ could NOT run for a second term on April 18 1968 ... and RFK could not live ... hmmm.... ]  Oh and MLK was murdered on April 4, 1968.
The Incredible Bundy Brothers
Picture from New York Times obituary October 7th 2000  from the original of April 18th 1968

The picture above, taken at the pinnacle of the sixties peak of American power, influence and prestige, shows William Bundy, seated at the high table of power.

Bundy is perhaps one of the few names of that generation of second rank power players that might still be remembered today.  Not that I am suggesting that second rank here is second rate by any means.  Bundy, and others then like Acheson et al, wielded power on levels undreamed of by similar second tier members of foreign countries, greater powers even than many premiers of other countries.

William certainly looks comfortable in the photograph, quite at home.  Which is exactly where he and generations of his family had felt themselves to be, at home seated at the political high tables of Washington.  William and his brother McGeorge’s family had been there since the beginnings of the republic.


We start with the Bundys themselves……Solomon Bundy was a Republican United States Representative from New York,  and his grandson Harvey Holister Bundy snr., was Assistant Secretary of State working for his old pal Henry Stimson.

William Putnam Bundy was the elder of his sons.  He worked for the CIA and was Foreign Advisor to both John F Kennedy and Lyndon B Johnson.  Later in life he was the Honorary American Secretary to the Bilderberg Group.  William married Mary Acheson the daughter of Dean Acheson Secretary of State.  His brother-in-law David Acheson was a partner in Covinton’s a legal firm and President of the US Atlantic Council.  David’s daughter Eleanor Acheson went to school with Hillary Clinton and has been Assistant Attorney General and Director of the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force.

McGeorge Bundy, is best remembered  as United States Security Advisor to John F Kennedy and Lyndon B Johnson.  A brotherly double act to rival the Dulleses.

The Lawrences and others on McGeorge’s mother Katherine Lawrence Putnam’s side, families on the “Social Register” represent that cat’s cradle of interconnected privilege which is given the shorthand of “Boston Brahmins”.  I have largely ignored the poets, Presidents of Harvard and astronomers that fill out their ranks.

Thoroughly oligarchical.
KENNEDY DECIDES TO RUN; WILL DISCUSS PLANS TODAY;; NEWS PARLEY SET New Yorker Weighs Contests in Oregon and California Kennedy Decides He Will Run; To Discuss His Plans Today

March 16, 1968,
Senator Robert F. Kennedy has decided to become a candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination.

[ Interesting is Walt Whitman Rostow who is in the LBJ photo above - Who was he? OSS-commie ]
Walt Whitman Rostow (also known as Walt Rostow or W.W. Rostow) (October 7, 1916 – February 13, 2003) was a United States economist and political theorist who served as Special Assistant for National Security Affairs to U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1966–69.

Prominent for his role in the shaping of US foreign policy in Southeast Asia during the 1960s, he was a staunch anti-communist, noted for a belief in the efficacy of capitalism and free enterprise, strongly supporting US involvement in the Vietnam War. Rostow is known for his book The Stages of Economic Growth: A Non-Communist Manifesto (1960), which was used in several fields of social science.

His older brother Eugene Rostow also held a number of high government foreign policy posts.

Rostow was born in New York City to a Russian Jewish immigrant family. His parents Victor and Lillian Rostow, were active socialists, and named Walt after Walt Whitman. His brother Eugene, named for Eugene V. Debs, became a legal scholar, and his brother Ralph, after Ralph Waldo Emerson, a department store manager.

Rostow entered Yale University at age 15 on a full scholarship, graduated at 19, and completed his Ph.D. there in 1940. He also won a Rhodes Scholarship to study at Balliol College, Oxford, where he completed a B.Litt. degree. In 1936 during the Edward VIII abdication crisis, he assisted broadcaster Alistair Cooke, who reported on the events for the NBC radio network. After completing his education he started teaching economics at Columbia University.
During World War II Rostow served in the Office of Strategic Services under William Joseph Donovan. Among other tasks, he participated in selecting targets for U.S. bombardment. Nicholas Katzenbach would later joke, "I finally understand the difference between Walt and me [...] I was the navigator who was shot down and spent two years in a German prison camp, and Walt was the guy picking my targets."

In 1945 immediately after the war, Rostow became assistant chief of the German-Austrian Economic Division in the United States Department of State in Washington, D.C.. From 1946 to 1947 he returned to Oxford as the Harmsworth Professor of American History. In 1947 he became the assistant to the Executive Secretary of the Economic Commission for Europe, and was involved in the development of the Marshall Plan.
1954 he advised President Dwight Eisenhower on economic and foreign policy, and in 1958 he became a speechwriter for him. In August 1954 Rostow and fellow CIA-connected MIT economics professor Max F. Millikan convinced Eisenhower to massively increase U.S. foreign aid for development as part of a policy of spreading American-style capitalist economic growth in Asia and elsewhere, backed by the military.[1][2]
The Stages of Economic Growth

In 1960 Rostow published The Stages of Economic Growth: A Non-Communist Manifesto, which proposed the Rostovian take-off model of economic growth, one of the major historical models of economic growth, which argues that economic modernization occurs in five basic stages of varying length: traditional society, preconditions for take-off, take-off, drive to maturity, and high mass consumption. This became one of the important concepts in the theory of modernization in social evolutionism. Rostow's thesis was criticized at the time and subsequently as universalizing a model of Western development that could not be replicated in places like Latin America or sub-Saharan Africa.

The book impressed presidential candidate John F. Kennedy, who appointed Rostow as one of his political advisers, and gave advice. When Kennedy became president in 1961, he appointed Rostow as deputy to his national security assistant McGeorge Bundy. Later that year Rostow became chairman of the U.S. State Department's policy planning council. After Kennedy's assassination, his successor Lyndon B. Johnson promoted Rostow to Bundy's job after he wrote Johnson's first state of the union speech. As national security adviser Rostow was responsible for developing the government's policy in Vietnam, and was convinced that the war could be won, becoming Johnson's main war hawk and playing an important role in bringing Johnson's presidency to an end.

What about Cyrus Vance - What did LBJ talk to him about on Dec 20 1963 ?
Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Recordings
Johnson Conversation with Cyrus Vance on Dec 20, 1963 (K6312.11)
recording NOT AVAILABLE - according to LBJ Deed of Gift
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 29, 2014, 12:13:42 pm
Nov 29 1963
On November 29, 1963, President Lyndon Baines Johnson appointed Allen Dulles as one of seven commissioners of the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination of the U.S. President John F. Kennedy. The appointment was later criticized by some historians, who have noted that Kennedy had fired him, and he was therefore unlikely to be impartial in passing the judgments charged to the Warren Commission
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on November 30, 2014, 11:15:35 am
[ in this recording McCone tells LBJ that the man in Mexico had made the story up: Here we see the complete muddying of the evidence waters, so that the truth could never be known...  As CIA replacement director for Allen Dulles we get the sense that Allen Dulles was secretly still running a portion of the CIA and McCone is not in on the conspiracy...  ]

November 30 1963:
05—John McCone (K6311.07) MP3  (
CIA chief told RFK about two shooters in Dallas

Why did Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy believe that his brother President John F. Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy, as his son recently said?

Did RFK have any evidence for his belief, asked readers of the widespread coverage of RFK Jr.’s comments?

It turns out RFK had it on good authority that two people were involved.

Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and CIA Director John McCone (photo credit: CIA)

RFK’s conviction was based on conversations with the Director of Central Intelligence, John McCone, who had been briefed by analysts at the CIA’s National Photographic Interpretation Center (NPIC) after they reviewed a home movie of JFK being struck by gunfire.

This little-known story comes from two credible sources: Dino Brugioni, retired chief of the CIA’s photographic analysis offices, and historian Arthur Schlesinger.

“I asked him [RFK], perhaps tactlessly, about Oswald. He said that there could be no serious doubt that he was guilty, but there was still argument whether he did it by himself or as part of a larger plot, whether organized by Castro or by gangsters. He said that the FBI thought he had done it by himself, but that McCone thought there were two people involved in the shooting.”

Arthur Schlesinger writing about a conversation with Robert Kennedy on Dec. 5, 1963, quoted in Schlesinger’s Journals: 1952-2000, p. 214.

McCone had already spoken once with RFK about the assassination. The Attorney General had called McCone to come talk to him at his home in McLean, Virginia, on the afternoon of November 22 to ask him about his brother’s murder. McCone was surprised when RFK asked him if the CIA was involved.

Because McCone was not a career CIA man, RFK trusted him more than anybody else at the agency and pressed him for more information. 


John McCone was not just speculating. His thinking came from a highly credible source:  the CIA’s leading photo analyst and his analysis of the NPIC blowups of frames of the Zapruder film, as well as Secret Service reports.

In short, RFK’s belief in that more than one person was involved in the assassination of JFK was based on the best information available to the U.S. government at the time.

Editor’s Note:

Q. What does this story have to do with the theory that the Zapruder film was altered?

A. It is a separate but related. Doug Horne believes the Zapruder film was altered by someone after Brugioni’s team analyzed it. Before you scoff, you should know Brugioni lends credence to this theory. He says the film he viewed at NPIC on the night of November 23 was different from the famous Zapruder film that is available to today. In any case, Brugioni had no doubt he saw a camera original copy and used its imagery to brief McCone. Horne believes that Brugioni is correct.

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Gilberto Alvarado Allegation

On 25 November 1963, three days after Kennedy's assassination, a man named Gilberto Alvarado Ugarte contacted the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City. The story he told was that he had been in the Cuban Consulate earlier, in September, and witnessed Oswald take money from a red-haired Negro to kill JFK. He provided additional details, including a description of Oswald which included glasses. Alvarado added that he had tried to tell U.S. officials of his observations earlier, but had been rebuffed.

After initial reports from CIA questioners that Alvarado was a "young, quiet, very serious person, who speaks with conviction," his story began to unravel. Rather than being a Nicaraguan Communist, it turned out that he was a penetration agent working on behalf of the Nicaraguan secret service. Handed over to the Mexican authorities for questioning, Alvarado retracted his story, saying that he had invented it in order to ingratiate himself with the Americans.

After being released, Alvarado retracted his retraction, saying the Mexican authorities had threatened him if he stuck to his story. The CIA then sent a polygraph operator to Mexico to give a lie-detector test to Alvarado, which he subsequently failed. Faced with evidence he was lying, Alvarado again retracted his story.

[ I find it interesting in the following book review interview when Bobby Baker is brought up there not one mention of the Carroll Arms Hotel and the Quorum Club or how Ford was given BJ's to keep him happy ... ]


Baker frequently mixed politics with personal business. He was one of the initiators and board-members of the Quorum Club located in the Carroll Arms Hotel adjacent to a Senate office building. The society was alleged to have been a place for lawmakers and other influential men to meet for food, drink, and ladies. Baker and one of his colleagues, lobbyist Bill Thompson, are said to have arranged for Quorum Club hostess Ellen Rometsch to meet John F. Kennedy. Rometsch was of German origin. As a youth, she had been a Communist party member in East Germany before fleeing with her parents and then coming to the United States

Rometsch was sent to America by the Communist leaders in East Berlin who hoped that she would befriend powerful politicians and report back. She went to West Germany and married air force Rolf Rometsch who then moved with her to the United States.

She began working as a hostess at the Quorum Club, a salon for male politicians that was organized by Baker. As part of her role there, she arranged prostitutes and went on dates with some of the men herself- which clearly led to influential connections. 

Her alleged dalliances did not stop at the White House, as she also had relations with then-Congressman ‘Jerry’ Ford from Michigan, who went on to become president after Nixon resigned.

Ford’s relationship with Ms Rometsch allegedly took place during his time on the Warren Commission where he was tasked with investigating President Kennedy’s assassination. The affair was used against him by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover who was frustrated that the Warren Commission was not sharing their findings,  ‘So, (Hoover) had this tape where Jerry Ford was having oral sex with Ellen Rometsch. You know, his wife had a serious drug problem back then… Hoover blackmailed… Ford to tell him what they were doing,’ Baker said.

How Lyndon Johnson and Robert Kennedy Hated Each Other (1997)
Published on Sep 29, 2014

The Robert F. Kennedy presidential campaign began on March 16, 1968. Robert Francis Kennedy, a U.S. Senator from New York who won a Senate seat in 1964, faced what was widely considered an unrealistic race against an incumbent, President Lyndon B. Johnson. After Johnson's announcement on March 31 that he would not seek re-election, Kennedy still faced Johnson’s leading challenger, Eugene McCarthy, a U.S. Senator from Minnesota, and Vice President Hubert Humphrey, who entered the race following Johnson’s withdrawal, for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination. Kennedy and McCarthy remained the main challengers to Humphrey and the policies of the Johnson administration. Throughout the spring and summer, Kennedy campaigned in presidential primary elections, especially those in Indiana, Nebraska, Oregon, South Dakota, California, and Washington, D.C. He had made progress in achieving Democratic support for the nomination until his assassination on June 5, 1968, in Los Angeles, California.

Kennedy was a late entry in the race for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination in 1968. By late 1967 Kennedy had not made a decision, even under pressure from his political advisors who feared time to announce a candidacy was running out.[1] Kennedy and his advisors knew it would not be easy to beat the incumbent president Lyndon Johnson.[2] However, Kennedy hadn’t ruled out entering the race. Following U.S. Senator Eugene McCarthy’s announcement on November 30, 1967, of his intention to run against Johnson for the Democratic nomination, Kennedy remarked to U.S. Senator George McGovern of South Dakota, “I’m worried about you and other people making early commitment to him because it may be hard for all of us later on.”[3] At a breakfast with reporters at the National Press Club on January 30, 1968, Kennedy still indicated that he had no plans to run, but a few weeks later he had changed his mind about entering the race.[4]

After the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, in early February 1968, Kennedy received a letter from writer Pete Hamill (later acclaimed author of the novel Snow in August). Hamill wrote an anguished letter to Kennedy noting that poor people in the Watts area of Los Angeles hung pictures of his brother, President John F. Kennedy, in their homes and that Robert Kennedy had the "obligation of staying true to whatever it was that put those pictures on those walls."[5] Other factors led Kennedy into the presidential race as well. On February 29, 1968, the Kerner Commission’s report on racial unrest in American cities during the previous summer blamed “white racism” for the violence, but its findings were largely dismissed by the Johnson administration.[5] Concerned about the president’s policies and actions, Kennedy remarked to his advisor, historian Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., “How can we possibly survive five more years of Lyndon Johnson?”[2] To complicate his decision, Kennedy’s friends, political advisors, and family members disagreed on whether he should run. While his wife Ethel supported the idea, Kennedy’s brother, Ted, initially opposed, but offered his support when the decision was finally made to enter the race.[2][6]

By late February or early March, 1968, Kennedy had made the decision to enter the race for president.[3] On March 10, Kennedy traveled to California, to meet with civil rights activist César Chávez, who was ending a 25-day hunger strike.[7] En route to California, Kennedy told his aide, Peter Edelman, that he had decided to run, “now I have to figure out how to get McCarthy out of it.”[3] The weekend before the New Hampshire primary, Kennedy announced to several aides that he would run if he could persuade little-known Senator Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota to withdraw from the presidential race.[8] Kennedy agreed to McCarthy’s request to delay an announcement of his intentions until after the New Hampshire primary.[3] On March 12, after Johnson won an astonishingly narrow victory in the New Hampshire primary against McCarthy, who polled 42 percent of the vote, Kennedy knew it would be unlikely that the Minnesota senator would agree to withdraw and moved forward with his plans.

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John Alexander McCone (January 4, 1902 – February 14, 1991) was an American businessman and politician who served as Director of Central Intelligence during the height of the Cold War
Atomic Energy Commission

In 1958, he became chairman of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. According to journalist Seymour Hersh, in December 1960, while still Atomic Energy Commission chairman, McCone revealed CIA information about Israel's Dimona nuclear weapons plant to the New York Times. Hersh writes that President John F. Kennedy was "fixated" on the Israeli nuclear weapons program and appointed McCone CIA director in part because of his willingness to deal with this and other nuclear weapons issues - and despite the fact that McCone was a Republican.[4]

After the disaster of the Bay of Pigs Invasion, president John F. Kennedy [5] forced the resignation of the CIA director Allen Dulles and some of his staff. McCone replaced Dulles on November 29, 1961.


While McCone was DCI, the CIA was involved in many covert plots, including ones involving Laos (with the Hmong), Ecuador,[citation needed] Brazil,[citation needed] and Cuba. He apparently disapproved of Operation Mongoose, the plot to assassinate Fidel Castro.[citation needed] He would later tell DCI Stansfield Turner that the CIA actions in Chile were the work of Richard Helms, who didn't tell McCone what he was doing.[citation needed] However he was involved in the 1964 Brazilian coup d'état;[citation needed] he was friends with ITT president Harold Geneen whose company stood to lose its Brazilian subsidiary if president João Goulart nationalized it. McCone would later work for ITT.[2]

McCone represented the CIA's opposition to U.S. support of a coup in South Vietnam against President Ngo Dinh Diem, but such objections were overruled by November 1963, when the State Department managed to convince Kennedy to allow the coup to proceed.

McCone resigned from his position of DCI in April 1965, believing himself to be unappreciated by President Lyndon B. Johnson, who he complained, would not read his reports, including on the need for full-fledged inspections of Israeli nuclear facilities.[9] Upon his resignation, McCone submitted a final policy memorandum to Johnson arguing that Johnson's expansion of the war in Vietnam would arouse national and world discontent before it brought down the North Vietnamese regime

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jerryweaver on November 30, 2014, 09:21:25 pm
Anonymous: A message from a dead President.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 01, 2014, 12:04:04 pm
December 1, 1963 - Harry Truman interviewed about late President Kennedy and new President Johnson


One common misconception about the JFK assassination story is that suspicions of conspiracy originated with authors who dreamed up sensational theories. In fact, the controversy over JFK’s death emerged from the circumstances of the crime before any conspiracy theories had been published.

Case in point: On December 1,1963, Richard Dudman, a reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch who was in Dallas, wrote an unusual article about JFK’s assassination. He did not assume the truth of public statements by law enforcement agencies. Rather, he compared those statements to what he had observed, and he asked “Did Assailant Have an Accomplice?”

Dudman was no conspiracy theorist. He went on to a long career in Washington journalism in which his independent reporting later would land him on  President Nixon’s so-called “enemies list.”

John Kelin recently called attention to Dudman’s article at Deep Politics Forum and Phil Dragoo posted the text.

Position of Wound Is Puzzling—Did Assailant Have an Accomplice?


A Washington Correspondent of the Post-Dispatch

WASHINGTON, Nov. 30 [1963]—The exact circumstances of President John F. Kennedy’s assassination may never be explained, despite the several investigations into the case.

The multiplicity of investigations—by Dallas city police, the Secret Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and now, a Presidential commission headed by Chief Justice Earl Warren and including Senators and Representatives—may even impede rather than assist full public understanding of the killing.

Major uncertainties remain to be cleared up, in the view of this reporter, who covered the late President’s Texas trip. This reporter was in a press bus a block from where the President was shot and witnessed the later fatal shooting of the alleged assassin in the basement of the Dallas City Hall and jail.

Doubtful aspects of the case include even the identification of Lee Harvey Oswald as the only killer. Officials here and in Dallas have said repeatedly they believed that Oswald alone shot the President, firing from a sixth-story window of the Texas School Book Depository building.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation, which is expected to supply most of the information on which the seven-man presidential commission will base its findings, has indicated repeatedly that it agrees with Dallas police that the case against Oswald as the sole killer was airtight.

Position of Wound

The strangest circumstance of the shooting, in this reporter’s opinion, is the position of the throat wound, thought to have been caused by the first of two shots that struck Mr. Kennedy.

Hole in Windshield

Another unexplained circumstance is a small hole in the windshield of the presidential limousine. This correspondent and one other man saw the hole, which resembled a bullet hole, as the automobile stood at the hospital emergency entrance while the President was being treated inside the building.

The Secret Service kept possession of the automobile and flew it back to Washington. A spokesman for the agency rejected a request to inspect the vehicle here. He declined to discuss any hole there might be in the windshield.

There have been two other reports of injury to the President’s head. One of the physicians who attended him in Dallas said afterward that he had noticed a small entry wound in the left temple.

Another person, who saw the President’s body a ‘few minutes after he died,’ told the Post-Dispatch he thought he had observed a wound in the President’s forehead. He asked that his name not be used. Reports of the temple and forehead wounds could have referred to the same injury.

The Number of Shots

Uncertainty surrounds the number of shots that were fired. Most witnesses have said they heard three, within a space of about five seconds

If the President was shot from the front as well as from behind, or instead of from behind, the firing could have come from the railroad overpass his automobile was approaching.

The overpass has a gravel walkway between the tracks and a three-foot concrete balustrade that faced the President’s approaching car. At each end is a length of wooden fencing about five feet high.

Silence of Officials

Officials of the Justice Department and the Secret Service declined to say what inspection was made of the overpass before and during the President’s approach toward it.

If there were two snipers, and Mr. Kennedy’s car was caught I the crossfire, the rapid-fire shooting would be more easily explained.
Lyndon B. Johnson Recording 6312.01; December 1963, Tape 1 (December 1963)

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: JT Coyoté on December 01, 2014, 01:07:01 pm
Here is an interesting take on the Kennedy assassination, with Oswald in a completely positive supporting role within the Kennedy camp... interesting...

Lee Harvey Oswald Proven Innocent, Victim Of CIA Plot, Worked For RFK

by Michael Thomas
November 22nd, 2014
Updated 11/26/2014 at 6:36 pm
Lee Harvey Oswald: Unsung Hero Who Alerted JFK To ‘Assassination Plot’ In Chicago
Framed By The CIA Because He Infiltrated Their Assassination Conspiracy
Oswald Worked Directly For Robert F. Kennedy Who Authorized His Return From The USSR To Conduct Domestic ‘Counterintelligence’

The following narrative concerning the true role of Lee Harvey Oswald in the assassination of John F. Kennedy is both simple and complex.  Simple because Oswald was actually a very young and simple guy who was  grossly misrepresented by the government, law enforcement and the media.  Complex because an extraordinary confluence of circumstances threw him into a literal caldron of festering conflicts and complicated vendettas.

“No good deed goes unpunished” is an adage that is quite applicable to the real story of Lee Oswald.  His idealistic nature and ardent search for his mission in life propelled him into the most dangerous game on the planet in the early 1960s.  Such was his naiveté and quixotic approach to life that Oswald would be thrust onto a battlefield that guaranteed he would be caught in the crossfire.  And so he was on November 24th, 1963... (Read more at the link below...)

Read more:


"The high office of President has been used to foment
a plot to destroy the American's freedom, and before
I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight."

~John F. Kennedy... reportedly, he made this statement while
at Columbia University, 10 days before he was assassinated.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 01, 2014, 01:27:49 pm
related to previous post:
This indicate rfk knew about Oswald as "his?" agent and did not want him to be too closely looked at ...
Otto Otepka, Robert F. Kennedy, Walter Sheridan, and Lee Oswald
by Joan Mellen, 4 Sep 2007

What Otepka did not know at the time, information that is only emerging now, more than four decades later, is Bobby Kennedy’s extraordinary interest in Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination of his brother. Bobby’s obsession with Otto Otepka suggests that more than a year before John F. Kennedy’s death, he was concerned with Oswald. The curious intervention of the Department of Justice with the Dallas Police in the matter of Oswald’s having fired shots at General Edwin Walker, and Justice’s insistence that the Dallas Police not arrest Oswald, not pursue him, is one example. The telling document disappeared from the Dallas police files, and has not yet re-emerged, but General Walker told his friend Louisiana judge John R. Rarick about it at the time. Near death, Walker urged the House Select Committee on Assassinations to investigate this extraordinary intervention that traces back to Bobby Kennedy.
Beginning on June 1, 1960, Oswald’s background and file began to be examined by employees in the Office of Security at the State Department. On December 5th, 1960, the Intelligence Collection and Distribution Division informed Otepka that he and the Office of Security would handle the official list of Americans who had defected to the Communist bloc. By now, John F. Kennedy had been elected President, but had not yet taken office.

Otepka began the work of determining whether “Lee Oswald” had bearing on any existing security case, either of an applicant for a position with the State Department, or of an existing employee. As he would any file, Otepka distributed the one bearing the name “Oswald” to his subordinates, eight or ten people, he told me, whose work he would then review. He sent Oswald’s name over to the Bureau of Soviet Affairs. It seemed to be all a matter of routine.

Oswald’s file was marked #39-61981. Sitting as it did in the Central File Room of the Office of Security, the “39” denoting an “Intelligence File,” the Oswald material raised questions. As the months passed, more questions surfaced. Otepka examined Oswald’s return from the Soviet Union with the unlikely assistance of a State Department loan. Otepka also pondered the speed with which Oswald’s wife, Marina, was cleared for entrance into the United States. By 1963, Otepka would be wondering why Oswald was issued a passport for travel to Cuba and, seemingly, the Soviet Union, despite a possible “criminal” flag in Oswald’s ONI [Office of Naval Intelligence] file. It was at this time that Otepka’s security safe was burgled and his Oswald file disappeared for good.



Eschewing preliminaries, Bobby came to the point. He was concerned that W.W. Rostow be granted a security clearance for his cabinet appointment  [Notice my previous post regarding Rostow who was a Globalist and previous OSS agent] . On two previous occasions, in 1955 and 1957, Otepka had declined to clear Rostow as a foreign policy expert. There was something not quite right about this man, Otepka thought. He pointed out to Bobby that Air Force Intelligence had voiced doubts about Rostow.

Those people are “nuts!” Bobby blurted out. His anger seemed incommensurate with the issue and surprised Otto Otepka, who was a calm, reasoned man not accustomed to such outbursts of emotion in the course of his work. Otepka’s instincts regarding Rostow were both correct and incorrect. Otepka was incorrect in believing that Rostow was a Communist sympathizer of any kind, despite his family background. He was right that the man was not what he seemed. John F. Kennedy’s inexperience and naivete – he would go on to circumvent the security problem by appointing Rostow to his White House staff – was to emerge when Rostow revealed his true colors.

Before long, Rostow began to beat drums for a ground war in Vietnam, a policy John F. Kennedy did not and would never favor. Rostow’s bleating for war would be heeded to the full once Kennedy was dead and Lyndon Johnson became president. By 1965, Rostow was demanding that 500,000 troops at the least be sent to Vietnam.
In retrospect, it becomes apparent that Bobby was frantic that no one discover that he had involved Oswald in his own operations against Fidel Castro. Up in Jackson, Louisiana, not far from Lafayette, at ease chatting with attendants at the East Louisiana State Hospital at Jackson, and overheard by the medical director of the hospital, Dr. Frank Silva, during the summer of 1963, Oswald had bragged about how he had been enlisted to kill Fidel Castro. Here was the real Oswald, no Marxist, but a government operative. And at every turn Bobby Kennedy hovered near. Garrison knew that Oswald had been up in Clinton and Jackson and might well have uncovered Bobby’s connection to him had Walter Sheridan not been dispatched to New Orleans to turn his investigation upside down.

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JFK Assassination: Jacqueline Kennedy, RFK Did Not Believe Only One Person Assassinated President John F. Kennedy


By Joseph Lazzaro@JosephLazzaro on December 20 2013 1:44 PM

One week after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, former first lady Jacqueline Kennedy and Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy privately communicated to the leadership of the Soviet Union that they did not believe accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

Jacqueline Kennedy and RFK wanted the Soviet leadership to know that “despite Oswald’s connections to the communist world, the Kennedys believed that the president was felled by domestic opponents.”

Publicly, Jacqueline Kennedy endorsed the Warren Commission’s conclusion that Oswald acted alone, and it was not until 1999 that her and RFK’s private views were made known, when they were revealed by historians Aleksandr Fusenko and Timothy Naftali in their book on the Cuban Missile Crisis, “One Hell of a Gamble: Khrushchev, Castro, and Kennedy, 1958-1964.”

In the book, the historians reported that when Jacqueline Kennedy’s artist friend William Walton traveled to Moscow on a previously scheduled trip a week after President Kennedy’s assassination, Walton carried the above “felled by domestic opponents” message from Jacqueline Kennedy and RFK to another friend of the Kennedy administration, Georgi Bolshakov, a Russian diplomat. Bolshakov served as a back-channel link between the White House and the Kremlin during the October 1962 missile crisis.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: worcesteradam on December 01, 2014, 02:06:15 pm
I have heard about this back channel link to the Kremlin before.

If the CIA came to believe that Kennedy was leaking National security classified information to the Communists, that could have motivated the assassination.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: JT Coyoté on December 01, 2014, 02:46:29 pm
I have heard about this back channel link to the Kremlin before.

If the CIA came to believe that Kennedy was leaking National security classified information to the Communists, that could have motivated the assassination.

The understanding that Kennedy voiced in his first address to the press April 27, 1961, made it obvious that he saw the controlled dualistic paradigm for what it is. He stepped above it, an went on the attack directly upon the controlling secret powers at the top who manipulate all sides world wide...

The CIA was created by the National Security Act along with the NSA... No Such Agency and Corporatism's Invisible Army... represent part of the secret paradigm needed to implement the modern divisive take down of the world. These secret societies hidden in plain sight along with MI-5 and 6, the KGB and so on, would naturally be alerted by the content of this fateful speech...

Kennedy, within this introduction to the press had set his agenda... to blow the haze of illusion from the international secrecy system and he was soliciting the help of the press to make it happen... His understanding of the situation was far above mere capitalism/communism sparring... his sword was aimed at the heart of the beast, and they knew it and therefore brought all of their dark forces to bear, the highest to the lowest alike against him.


"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and
the rational mind is a faithful servant. We
have created a society that honors the
servant and has forgotten the gift."

~Albert Einstein
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 02, 2014, 11:14:33 am
We've waited 50 years for the release of documents that might give us some clarity and tell us exactly what happened - yet that hasn't helped.  The RFK's papers were released a couple of years ago , but were still "classified" and a slow release .... here are some articles regarding that ....
Years after pact to open RFK files, gaps remain

CIA and military remove papers pending review
By Bryan BenderGlobe Staff  December 02, 2014
WASHINGTON — In a secret meeting held in late 1963, a top US diplomat was “particularly interested” in Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy’s views about implementing another blockade of communist Cuba, which new intelligence suggested may have shipped arms to guerrillas in Venezuela.

Kennedy, who was still mourning the assassination a few weeks earlier of his brother, President John F. Kennedy, was not present for the session of the so-called “Special Group” that he chaired to coordinate covert operations. The sensitive discussion was recounted to him in a confidential memo from a top aide

“What measures are we capable of taking and what measures should we take?” Justice Department official John Nolan asked Robert Kennedy in the Dec. 9, 1963 memo, which remained classified until an appeal for its release filed by the Globe was recently granted.

But how exactly — or even whether — Kennedy responded to the query is not revealed.

Despite steps by the National Archives and Kennedy’s heirs to make public dozens of boxes of the attorney general’s “confidential” and “classified” files, numerous memos, reports, and other correspondence have been removed pending review by the CIA and military branches, according to researchers and government archivists. They cited the need to protect national security.

That has included some files about the Special Group’s deliberations between September and December 1963, a highly sensitive period before and after President Kennedy’s assassination in Dallas on Nov. 22, when concerns were highest that a foreign power or CIA-backed Cuban exiles might have been involved or had knowledge about the assassination.

For decades the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum in Dorchester, which is part of the National Archives, and the Kennedy family wrangled with historians and journalists who were anxious to glean new insights from some 60 boxes of unopened RFK files covering his term as the nation’s top law enforcement officer from 1961 to 1964.

That time frame covers a critical period of the Cold War in which the younger Kennedy played an influential role as confidant to the president and overseer of covert plots, including attempts to overthrow Cuba’s president, Fidel Castro.

The controversy over the files appeared to have been settled in 2012 and 2013, when the boxes were opened so “the public will benefit from exploring these documents,” as the chief archivist of the United States, David Ferriero, put it at the time.

But as the yearlong effort by the Globe to win the release of a relatively innocuous two-page memo illustrates, many files are still withheld, which has frustrated researchers and specialists on the government classification system.

“This document contains not a single substantive secret — no names of CIA agents; no sources and methods, no cryptonyms of actual covert operations — nothing that would warrant it being withdrawn and withheld from the file to begin with,” said Peter Kornbluh, a senior analyst and head of the Cuba Documentation Project at the National Security Archive at George Washington University, after reviewing the newly released Nolan memo to Kennedy.

He added: “The fact that the document was withheld in its entirety is an indication of how flawed and arbitrary the secrecy system remains.”

The Kennedy Library, where the former attorney general’s files have resided for more than four decades, was required by a 1973 agreement to get permission from Robert Kennedy’s heirs before making the documents available.

That permission was granted in 2012.
But many files contained secret government documents and the national security agencies that originally classified the information retained the ultimate authority to release them.

The JFK Library has not estimated how many files in Robert Kennedy’s attorney general papers are being withheld, according to director Tom Putnam. But he acknowledged that a “good number” of documents have been withdrawn.

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Mrs. Robert F. Kennedy and the Robert F. Kennedy Family are pleased that the National Archives and Records Administration (“NARA”) will open seven boxes of Robert Kennedy’s papers relating to Cuba in honor of the 50th Anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis. We are grateful that NARA, the federal agency that administers the John F. Kennedy Library and all Presidential Libraries, in recognition of the importance of the anniversary, expedited the federal declassification process of these seven boxes. Now, these important historical documents will be able to be discussed as part of the conference organized on October 14, 2012 and they will be available to the general public through the John F. Kennedy Library’s website effective Thursday, October 11.
This Statement also addresses inaccurate reports that have claimed that the Robert F. Kennedy Family has restricted public access to the RFK Collection. In fact, the Robert F. Kennedy Family is committed to disclosure of the papers but is required to follow a federal declassification process prior to release of any materials that are marked “classified” or “confidential”.


However, 62 boxes from the 1961 to 1964 time period are marked “classified” or “confidential” and are in a Federal declassification process. While NARA has done an initial declassification of these boxes, other federal agencies such as the State Department, Justice Department, and the CIA, are still reviewing the materials. When the federal declassification process is substantially complete, the RFK Family will then review the boxes.

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National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 395
Washington, DC, October 12, 2012 – On the 50th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis, new documents from the Robert Kennedy papers declassified yesterday and posted today by the National Security Archive reveal previously unknown details of the Kennedy administration's secret effort to find an accord with Cuba that would remove the Soviet missiles in return for a modus vivendi between Washington and Havana.
For more than 40 years, the details of Kennedy's approach to Castro remained Top Secret. In 2004, based on declassified documents found in the archives of the Brazilian foreign ministry and the Excomm tapes, George Washington University historian James Hershberg published the first comprehensive account of the furtive diplomatic initiative in the Journal of Cold War Studies (Part 1, Part 2). An abbreviated account of the Castro approach, written by Peter Kornbluh, appears in the November 2012 issue of Cigar Aficionado. The story is also recounted in Kornbluh's forthcoming book (with William LeoGrande), Talking with Castro: The Untold History of Dialogue between the United States and Cuba.

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Declassified Papers Provide New Window Into RFK’s Role As JFK’s Closest Adviser
 By Sacha Pfeiffer and Lynn Jolicoeur October 11, 2012

BOSTON — Ever since Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1968, researchers have been trying to get access to thousands of classified documents about his role in the Cuban Missile Crisis, which happened 50 years ago this month.

And now they’re getting their wish. On Thursday the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum released seven boxes of RFK’s papers on Cuba from when he was attorney general.


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Kennedys keep vise-grip on RFK papers
By Bryan Bender 
 Globe Staff / August 5, 2012
Scholars and government officials believe the 62 boxes of files covering Kennedy’s three years as attorney general during his brother’s administration could provide insights into critical Cold War decisions on issues ranging from the Cuban missile crisis to Vietnam. Yet the Kennedy family, led by Robert’s widow, Ethel, has rarely permitted even limited access to the papers. Their expansive control of the RFK archive, which extends to dozens of Pentagon, State Department, and CIA documents, stems from a controversial agreement reached with the National Archives following Robert Kennedy’s assassination in 1968.

Numerous government archivists and historians maintain the family should never have been granted oversight of the official documents — only the files containing private information, such as correspondence with Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and a collection of materials involving famous family acquaintances like Frank Sinatra.

“It was inappropriate [for the National Archives] to allow it,” said William J. Leonard, who recently retired as chief overseer of the government classification system. “Classified information by definition is information that is under the government’s control. ”Put another way, “Ethel has been given control of documents that she couldn’t even legally read because she didn’t have a security clearance,” said a former National Archives official who had the authority to handle top secret information regarding the RFK papers.

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RFK’s papers: Finally open to the public
December 08, 2013
The records have long been stored at the Kennedy Library, but RFK’s widow, Ethel, and some of her children had sought to maintain family control over which ones would be shared with the public — to the annoyance of library officials. But on Thursday, the last of Robert Kennedy’s papers as attorney general were made available to researchers. In total, the collection takes up 62 boxes — four of which are deemed personal and therefore closed, according to the Kennedy Library website.
An independent archivist, not the Kennedy family, decided which papers were personal. According to Tom Putnam, the director of the library, they generally involved notes about family members, including some who are still alive. Putnam said he hopes that some day these files, too, will be opened to the public. He also says there are documents scattered within the rest of the boxes that are categorized as classified, but researchers will be able to appeal to federal agencies for permission to see them. These decisions are in line with library policies.

The papers are a treasure-trove of previously secret information — containing files on everything from Operation Mongoose, a CIA plan to assassinate Fidel Castro, to civil rights battles in the American South. Both the library and the family should be applauded for opening them to the public

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 02, 2014, 11:57:27 am
Oh Bill Moyers and the Bubble top and LBJ Ducked:
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"Get that goddamned "bubble [top] off unless it's pouring rain" said Bill Moyers just hours before John Kennedy's head was blown off in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Moyers, doing advance work for Lyndon Johnson in Austin, was speaking to a Ms. Harris who told the Secret Service. "Goddamn" was a favorite word of Moyer's boss Lyndon Johnson and the "bubbletop" was a removable, black protective top for the president's limousine.

While the bubble-top was not bullet-proof it was opague and would have prevented a sniper in a tall building from getting a clear 'head-shot".

After the murder of JFK, Bill Moyers assumed a lot of power as a very young and inner circle aide to Lyndon Johnson. One of the things that attracted a young Bill Moyers to Lyndon Johnson was that LBJ exuded "power," not that LBJ was a decent, honest and likeable man.

In the research for my New York Times Bestselling book- The Man Who Killed Kennedy- the case Against LBJ I had the opportunity to examine Moyers.

The reality of LBJ was that he was a mean, cruel, sadistic man whose corruption was of Biblical proportions. LBJ also had a spectacular hatred of the Kennedys. But he had power and that is what a young Bill Moyers was attracted to. In fact Moyers likes to tell the story of how as a college student he would go to Sunday brunch at the Johnson house where he would mingle with LBJ's close friend and neighbor FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, LBJ's mentors Sen. Richard Russell and Sam Rayburn, the "powerful" Speaker of the House.

The Secret Service told author Ron Kessler that LBJ was having sex with 5 of his 8 secretaries.

Old time lawyers in Austin will tell you that before LBJ would hire a secretary he would ask about her "Does she shuck her drawers?"

A good question to ask is why has Bill Moyers not written a book about his times with Lyndon Johnson? Moyers has said that he was attracted to LBJ's power. Post JFK assassination Moyers (in his twenties) immediately becomes one of LBJ's closest, most powerful aides. This seems like a ripe topic for an interesting book. Maybe Moyers has sat on this book because if he wrote it he would have to tell the truth about LBJ's fantastic corruption, scary mental instabilities, hatred of the Kennedys, his sadism, his cruelty, his beyond outrageous behavior.

Bill Moyers is obviously a man not ready to deal with the terrible truth about Lyndon Johnson. A prime example of this was in 2003 when the History Channel ran a series on the JFK assassination that dealt with the role of Lyndon Johnson in the murder of John Kennedy. It was called The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Guilty Men, episodes 7, 8 and 9.

Moyers, Valenti and Gerald Ford and the Johnson family went ballistic and demanded that the series, one of the most insightful ever on the JFK assassination, be ripped down off of TV. The History Channel in a spectacularly craven act of folding to political pressure complied.

The truth had hit home.

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Research indicates radio host Bill Moyers was complicit in JFK's killing

"The "bubble-top" had been removed from the presidential limousine at Love Field, as requested by Bill Moyers, LBJ's long-time past and future aide." "Moyers had been on the phone to Ms. Harris, informing her that the President did not want the bubble top. He told Harris to "get that God-damned bubble off unless it's pouring rain." "Moyers was not JFK's assistant . . . he was of course, actually one of Lyndon Johnson's longtime assistants." This is all documented in Phillip F. Nelson's "LBJ - The Mastermind of JFK's Assassination".

 Nelson goes on to state that "such gratuitous profanity by an ordained Baptist minister (Moyers) is a little odd in the context of this situation, considering that it had been raining all morning. It begs the question of whether Moyers was the real initiator of the request, or whether he was simply passing on a demand from his boss, LBJ, known to be habitually profane and strident in practically all situations (a general exception existed whenever cameras were near, of course, in which case a broad smile replaced his scornful gaze. All things considered, it can be assumed that Moyers was merely mouthing words originally screamed by Lyndon B. Johnson, in comparable stridency."

When was the last time ANY member of the CFR said anything CLOSE to the truth on the JFK Assassination?
Started by  Guest_Robert Morrow_* , Sep 16 2010 06:50 AM

Question: When was the last time any member of the Council on Foreign Relations said anything CLOSE to resembling the TRUTH in the JFK assassination? I define "truth" as being that John Kennedy was slaughtered by an elite domestic political conspiracy.

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LBJ was 6' 4"" but you can't find him in the photos even though you can see Ladybird!
Proof LBJ Ducked
Published on Jan 17, 2014

I spent some more time with the Altgens photo, and with using some geometry-checking with the JFK limo as a stand-in for the LBJ limo, I believe that there is strong evidence that LBJ was ducking by at least the second shot (probably earlier). No one else is reacting in a similar manner.
LBJ Ducked Before First Shot at JFK
Why can't we see LBJ?

[ Later I guess to keep Youngblood ( the SS man who was in the car with LBJ at the time) quiet and happy ... As Prez he gives him a medal ...
"For saving his life" ]
21 - Remarks at the Presentation of an Exceptional Service Award to Agent Rufus W. Youngblood of the Secret Service
December 4, 1963

Mr. Secretary, Mr. Youngblood, Mrs. Youngblood, members of the Youngblood family, ladies and gentlemen:

There is no more heroic act than offering your life to save another, and in that awful moment of confusion when all about him were losing their heads, Rufus Youngblood never lost his. Without hesitation, he volunteered his life to save mine. Nothing makes a man feel better than being an American and to be witness to this kind of noble patriotism.

Rufus, there is no prouder person here this morning than I. You are a brave soldier in the highest American tradition of love for country and for duty. You are a proud son of Georgia. You are an excellent example of all the honored and brave and dedicated and diligent men and the women who work with them who make up what we proudly call the United States Secret Service. A more dedicated group of men I have never known from the Chief to the most humble employee.

I am glad to know that Chief Rowley has made it possible for you to continue to serve the President as you did the Vice President, and I know in so doing that I will have one of the most noble and most able public servants I have ever known.

Thank you.

Note: The ceremony was held at 10:30 a.m. in the Rose Garden at the White House. The President's opening words "Mr. Secretary" referred to Secretary of the Treasury Douglas Dillon. Later he referred to James J. Rowley, Chief, United States Secret Service.
The citation accompanying the award reads as follows:

"This Award is made in recognition of Agent Youngblood's outstanding courage and voluntary risk of personal safety in protecting the Vice President of the United States at the time of President John F. Kennedy's assassination in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963.

"Mr. Youngblood was riding in the front seat of the Vice President's limousine within close proximity to the President's limousine when the assassination occurred. Upon hearing the first shot, Mr. Youngblood instantly vaulted across the front seat of the car, pushed the Vice President to the floor, and shielded the Vice President's body with his own. His prompt response in the face of great danger and his readiness to sacrifice his life to save the Vice President were in the highest traditions of the Secret Service. His valor and example make him a worthy recipient of this Award."

The text of the introductory remarks by Secretary Dillon, who read the citation, was also released

Accompanied by Secret Service agent Rufus Youngblood (left), Vice President Lyndon Johnson and U.S. Rep. Homer Thornberry leave Parkland Hospital in Dallas after the death of Kennedy.


Even with the radio playing, they all heard the first shot.

Kivett’s syrupy accent became dense and clipped: “What the hell was that?”

In seconds, carnage erupted in the presidential limousine as the president and Connally were hit by gunfire. Looking at the vice president’s car, Kivett saw the blur of Youngblood’s dark suit as he spun left, grabbed Johnson’s lapels and flung him to the floorboard screaming, “Get down! Get down!” Youngblood lunged at Lady Bird and Yarborough as he climbed over the seat and covered the body of the vice president.
Eyewitness to the Death of a President"

Gary Goettling

Georgia Tech  Spring, 1992.  15-22.

Posted on the Kennedy Assassination Home Page with the permission of Gary Goettling.

     Rufus W. Youngblood has more than a passing interest in the assassination of President John F.
Kennedy.  Like millions of americans, the 1950 industrial engineering graduate remembers exactly
where he was and what he was doing on March 22, 1963.  He was riding in a motorcade in downtown

     As the special agent in charge of the vice presidential Secret Service detail, Youngblood
rode in an open Lincoln convertible with Lyndon Johnson, Lady Bird Johnson, Texas Sen. Ralph
Yarborough and a driver.  Only a Secret Service follow-up car separated him from the president's
limousine, and the violence that unfolded there with graphic finality on a warm Dallas afternoon
28 years ago.

     Who killed Kennedy?  It's a question Youngblood has been asked hundreds of times, and
his firm answer defies popular opinion:  "Lee Harvey Oswald."

     "I support the findings of the Warren Commission.  (Conspiracy theorist) have had
investigation after investigation, and nobody has come up with anything concrete.  Nothing."


Rufus W. Youngblood, 72, Agent Who Guarded Johnson

Published: October 4, 1996

Rufus W. Youngblood, the Secret Service agent who flung himself over the front seat and used his body to shield Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson during the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, died on Wednesday at a hospice near his home in Savannah, Ga. He was 72 and was deputy director of the Secret Service when he retired in 1971
As it turned out, Mr. Johnson was never in real danger from the gunfire trained on the President two cars ahead in the motorcade through Dallas. But at the time Mr. Youngblood, who was riding in the front seat of the Vice President's limousine, did not now that.

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Youngblood was a good ol boy ...

{interesting about Thornberry who was also in the car with LBJ: ]
Thornberry was elected to Congress and served from January 3, 1949 until his resignation fourteen years later. According to Dick Russell (The Man Who Knew Too Much), Lyndon B. Johnson described Thornberry as "my congressman". Thornberry is quoted in the book as saying: "It's just unbelievable how many things he (Johnson) and Mrs. Johnson did to help us when we went to Washington".

When John F. Kennedy offered Lyndon B. Johnson the post of Vice President, one of the first people he contacted was Homer Thornberry. He replied: "I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. Tell Jack (Kennedy) anything you want, but don't take it." However, soon afterwards he phoned Johnson back to say he changed his mind and that he should accept the post.

On 5th June, 1963, Thornberry attended a meeting with John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, John Connally, Fred Korth and Clifton C. Carter at the Cortez Hotel in El Paso, to discuss the president's forthcoming trip to Dallas. Thornberry was in the presidential motorcade with Johnson when Kennedy was assassinated.

A few days after the assassination Johnson phoned Homer Thornberry and invited him to "come down and have a drink with me". The two men had two meetings in December, 1963. In a taped White House conversation on 17th December, 1963, Lyndon Johnson admitted that he went to parties held at the house of Bobby Baker with Homer Thornberry and Walter Jenkins. On 20th December, Thornberry resigned his congressional seat. The following day Johnson appointed Thornberry as U.S. District Court Judge for the Western District of Texas. This enabled him to replace R. E. Thompson as the judge in the case of Richard Case Nagell.
Johnson Conversation with Homer Thornberry on Dec 03, 1963 (K6312.03)
December 17, 1963
Homer Thornberry, Marie Fehmer (K6312.09)
The Suite 8F Group and the Call for Kennedy’s Hit
Kennedy Assassination
— 03 December 2013
The Suite 8F Group was instrumental in plotting, as well as coordinating, the assassination of President Kennedy. Two incidental moles, John Connally and Lyndon Baines Johnson, were directly involved in the assassination on behalf of the Suite8F Houston, TX,-based cabal. The bribery and racketeering trial in Washington, D.C., regarding the investigation of the acts of Bobby Baker was getting too close to home for the cabal’s comfort.

Baker was a member of the cabal. The prosecution was headed by Robert F. Kennedy and supported by Jack Kennedy. Moreover, both these men wanted rid of the clique’s D.C. mole, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Therefore, Mr. Kennedy had to be eliminated.

While LBJ and John Connally are culpable for the murder of this then sitting President, in fact, they are relatively low-level operatives. Even so, identifying them, confirming their role, is of utmost value in this investigation, because it leads directly to the ultimate criminals or near ultimate ones (admittedly, there are levels even higher than the Suite 8F Group, which are criminally associated).
Post- late 1950s members of the group include the following:
John Connally, Governor of Texas and former Secretary of the Navy and Treasury
Lyndon B. Johnson, VP and the President
•Alvin Wirtz and Homer Thornberry (lawyers closely associated)

[ This group is closely associated with Standard Oil and W. Averell Harriman ...  his daughter had an interesting Obit ...]
Kathleen Mortimer, Rich and Adventurous, Dies at 93
Published: February 19, 2011

Her grandfather ran a railroad, and her father was an ambassador, a governor and a cabinet secretary. She married the grandson of an oil baron at her family’s 25,000-acre estate.

She was a first-rate skier and equestrienne, riding magnificent cavalry horses that were a gift from Stalin. She knew well the whirl of dances, luncheons and teas that were traditional for women of her time and station.

And yet ...

Her marriage, in 1947, took place when she was nearly 30, an unconventional choice for any woman of the era. Before that, she had worked as a journalist and had witnessed the aftermath of one of the most notorious massacres of World War II.

Kathleen Harriman Mortimer, a daughter of W. Averell Harriman, died on Thursday at 93. The death, at her cottage in Arden, N.Y., was confirmed by her son David Mortimer. Mrs. Mortimer also had a home on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

Though she was a far less visible public presence than her father — a United States ambassador to Moscow and London, a governor of New York and a secretary of commerce under President Harry S. Truman — Mrs. Mortimer was quietly accomplished throughout her life and, when she could be, graciously subversive.
Kathleen Lanier Harriman was born on Dec. 7, 1917, the younger of two daughters of Mr. Harriman and his first wife, Kitty Lanier Lawrance. Her paternal grandfather, E. H. Harriman, head of the Union Pacific Railroad, had left a fortune estimated at $70 million to $100 million. Her parents divorced in 1929.
Her roommate there was Pamela Digby Churchill, the daughter-in-law of Prime Minister Winston Churchill. As befits a tightly knit society in which people were separated by far fewer than six degrees, Pamela Churchill would, years later, become Averell Harriman’s third wife.

In 1943, Mr. Harriman was named the United States ambassador to Moscow, and Miss Harriman joined him there. She learned Russian; was the official hostess at her father’s diplomatic functions; and traveled with him in 1945 to the Yalta conference, at which President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin hammered out Europe’s postwar reorganization. (On their return to the United States after the war, Stalin gave Kathleen and her father two of his finest horses as a going-away present.)
Her time there included a far darker obligation. In 1944, as her father’s representative, she accompanied more than a dozen foreign correspondents into the Katyn forest, in western Russia.

The forest had been the site of the massacre of thousands of Polish officers earlier in the war. Now the journalists had been taken there to witness autopsies of the exhumed bodies, part of a Russian disinformation campaign to ensure that Germany would be blamed for the killings.

Aided by many unwitting news organizations, the myth that the Nazis had carried out the killings endured for years. In fact, the massacre had been perpetrated by the Russians, something that was admitted only decades later.

In 1947, Miss Harriman married Stanley Grafton Mortimer Jr., an heir to the Standard Oil fortune. Afterward, she largely dropped from public view, though her private life was not without turbulence.

In 1969, Mr. Mortimer, who suffered from manic-depression, shot himself in what apparently was a suicide attempt. He survived, and the couple remained married until his death, at 86, in 1999.

In 1994, as was widely reported, a group of Averell Harriman’s heirs, including Mrs. Mortimer, sued Pamela Harriman and several associates, charging that they had squandered tens of millions of dollars of their inheritance through high-risk investments. Mrs. Harriman, the United States ambassador to France under President Bill Clinton, had married Mr. Harriman in 1971; Mr. Harriman died in 1986.

[ Harriman was the BIG Globalist linked with Rockefeller and Rothschild - Was big in Bilderberg and EU creation :  He was also the Amb. at Large for JFK and LBJ: ]

Well something I've wondered about .... ( Also how the French Rothschild's survived .... )

"The documentary claimed that officials in post-War France scrubbed the celebrities' records of Nazi links and invented ties to the Resistance movement in order to help rebuild the country's reputation"

Édouard Alphonse James de Rothschild (24 February 1868 – 30 June 1949) was an aristocrat, French financier and a member of the prominent Rothschild banking family of France.
He was raised in a Paris mansion at 2 rue Saint-Florentin that is now home to the United States Embassy as well as at Château de Ferrières in the country.
Effects of the German occupation, 1940-1944

The rise to power of the Adolf Hitler National Socalist party in Germany and the subsequent Anschluss of Austria to Germany saw a wave of Jews, and others the Nazis labeled as "undesirables," seek refuge in France. Most of these people escaped with little more than a suitcase of clothes. In March 1939, Édouard's wife Germaine converted an old house near the Château de Ferrières into a hostel for some 150 of these displaced persons. However, with the onset of World War II and the subsequent German occupation of France in 1940, Édouard de Rothschild and his family themselves chose to flee the country. In 1939, Édouard's son Guy joined the French Army and daughter Jacqueline escaped with her husband Gregor Piatigorsky to the United States. Before leaving, Édouard de Rothschild tried to hide as much of his valuable art collection as possible, on the grounds of the Haras de Meautry farm and at his Château de Reux. The Nazis confiscated his collection.[1]

With his wife and second daughter Bethsabée, he safely left France and they made their way to Lisbon, Portugal from where they were able to go by plane to New York City.

With the Allied liberation of France in 1944, Édouard de Rothschild and his wife returned home where he died in Paris in 1949 at the age of eighty-one. His son Guy took over as head of the family bank



The George C. Marshall Center

The George C. Marshall Center
will exceptionally open on Sunday, September 21, 2014 from 10 am to 5 pm (last entry at 4.30 pm) for European Heritage Days.
 Address: 2, rue Saint Florentin, 75001 Paris, France

 The “hôtel particulier” (meaning “private residence”) known today as Hôtel de Talleyrand was built between 1767 and 1769 for Louis Phélypeaux, Comte de Saint-Florentin, Marquis then Duc de la Vrillière (1705-1777). As State Minister, Minister in Charge of the King’s House, then Minister of Foreign Affairs, and personal friend of the King, Saint-Florentin was one of the most influential figures of the reign of Louis XV.


In 1838, baron James-Mayer de Rothschild bought the mansion from Talleyrand’s niece, the duchesse de Dino, who had just inherited it. The Hôtel de Talleyrand remained the property of the Rothschild family for over a hundred years, until 1950. The Rothschild family lived here until the invasion of Paris by the German occupying army forced them to leave France. During this long period of time, major construction and decoration works were undertaken, particularly with the extension of the central part of the mansion, between 1868 and 1871, under the supervision of architect Léon Ohnet (1813-1874).

 During World War II, the hôtel particulier was requisitioned by the Ministry of the Navy of the Vichy Government and, during the Nazi Occupation, it housed the headquarters of the German Naval Forces (Kriegsmarine).
A footbridge was constructed above the Rue Saint-Florentin to facilitate crossings between the mansion and the main building of the Ministry of the Navy located on the other side of the street. It is also here that, on August 25, 1944, the troops of General Leclerc arrested the staff officers of the German Navy. After the Liberation, the mansion was used by the Vice-Premier of the Provisional Government, thus housing the offices of Maurice Thorez.

[ Birth of the EU was here: ]

 After World War II, the U.S. Department of State rented, from 1947 until 1950, then bought, in 1950, the Hôtel de Talleyrand from the Rothschild family, to serve as the home of the American Administration of the European Recovery Program, better known as the Marshall Plan (1947-1952).
It is in this mansion that Ambassador W. Averell Harriman, the US Representative of the President at the head of the American Administration of the Marshall Plan in Europe, gathered representatives of the 17 participating European countries[/b].

 From 1981 until 1984, under the supervision of the Office of Foreign Buildings Operations of the U.S. Department of State and of expert Robert Carlhian, architects Hugh Newell Jacobsen and J. Bruce Smith conducted major renovation works . Then, and until 2007, the hôtel particulier was home to several offices of the American Embassy to France, including Consular Services.

 From 2000 until 2010, the Hôtel de Talleyrand again underwent major restoration work, managed by the U.S. Department of State in collaboration with the World Monuments Fund. French experts of 18th and 19th century historic decors Robert Carlhian and Fabrice Ouziel undertook extensive historical research. The restoration, accomplished by over 150 French artisans, was financed by private funds from both sides of the Atlantic. The Hôtel de Talleyrand was inaugurated again in 2010.

The name William Averell Harriman turns up behind world political scenes more frequently than any other member of The Order. Possibly as because Harriman is a remarkably active man. Born in 1891, graduated Yale 1913, Harriman is still newsworthy in the 1980s. In June 1983 Harriman had a private meeting with Yuri Andropov in Moscow and in December 1983, at 92, broke his right leg while swimming in the sea off Barbados. Whatever else we say here about Averell, we must record his truly remarkable energy and longevity.

In official Harriman biographies, however, there is no mention of The Order, Skull & Bones, or the Russell Trust. Like other initiates Harriman has carefully expunged membership from the public record. We have not yet determined if this membership was ever made known to the FBI for use in background checks needed for government positions, or maybe no one ever bothered to ask for a background check on Averell Harriman.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: worcesteradam on December 04, 2014, 03:03:36 pm
Colonel Mandel House connect to Lee Harvey Oswald friend George de Morenschildt...

The de Mohrenschildts were major players in the global oil business since the beginning of the twentieth century, and their paths crossed with the Rockefellers and other key pillars of the petroleum establishment. George de Mohrenschildt’s uncle and father ran the Swedish Nobel Brothers Oil Company’s operations in Baku, in Russian Azerbaijan on the southwestern coast of the Caspian Sea. This was no small matter. In the early days of the twentieth century, the region held roughly half of the world’s known oil supply. By the start of World War I, every major oil interest in the world, including the Rockefellers’ Standard Oil, was scrambling for a piece of Baku’s treasure or intriguing to suppress its competitive potential. (Today, ninety years later, they are at it again.)

In 1915, the czar’s government dispatched a second uncle of George de Mohrenschildt, the handsome young diplomat Ferdinand von Mohrenschildt, to Washington to plead for American intervention in the war – an intervention that might rescue the czarist forces then being crushed by the invading German army.  President Woodrow Wilson had been reelected partly on the basis of having kept America out of the war. But as with all leaders, he was surrounded by men with their own agendas. A relatively close-knit group embodying the nexus of private capital and intelligence-gathering inhabited the highest levels of the Wilson administration. Secretary of State Robert Lansing was the uncle of a diplomat-spy by the name of Allen Dulles. Wilson’s closest adviser, “Colonel” Edward House, was a Texan and an ally of the ancestors of James A. Baker III, who would become Poppy Bush’s top lieutenant. Czarist Russia then owed fifty million dollars to a Rockefeller-headed syndicate. Keeping an eye on such matters was the U.S. ambassador to Russia, a close friend of George Herbert Walker’s from St. Louis.

Once the United States did enter the war, Prescott Bush’s father, Samuel Bush, was put in charge of small arms production. The Percy Rockefeller-headed Remington Arms Company got the lion’s share of the U.S. contracts. It sold millions of dollars worth of rifles to czarist forces, while it also profited handsomely from deals with the Germans.

In 1917, Ferdinand von Mohrenschildt’s mission to bring America into the world war was successful on a number of levels. Newspaper clippings of the time show him to be an instant hit on the Newport, Rhode Island, millionaires’ circuit. He was often in the company of Mrs. J. Borden Harriman, of the family then befriending Prescott Bush and about to hire Prescott’s future father-in-law, George Herbert Walker. Not long after that, Ferdinand married the step-granddaughter of President Woodrow Wilson.

In quick succession, the United States entered World War I, and the newlywed Ferdinand unexpectedly died. The von Mohrenschildt family fled Russia along with the rest of the aristocracy. Emanuel Nobel sold half of the Baku holdings to Standard Oil of New Jersey, with John D. Rockefeller Jr. personally authorizing the payment of $11.5 million. Over the next couple of decades, members of the defeated White Russian movement, which opposed the Bolsheviks and fought the Red Army from the 1917 October Revolution until 1923, would find shelter in the United States, a country that shared the anti-Communist movement’s ideological sentiments.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on December 04, 2014, 09:54:56 pm
Title: Meeting with W. Averell Harriman, 9:18AM

Date(s) of Materials: 1961 March 29

Joseph Trento, The Secret History of the CIA, pg 334-5:


Having served as ambassador to Moscow and governor of New York, W. Averell Harriman was in the middle of a long public career. In 1960,
 President-elect Kennedy appointed him ambassador-at-large, to operate “with the full confidence of the president and an intimate knowledge of
 all aspects of United States policy.” By 1963, according to [Pentagon aide William R.] Corson, Harriman was running “Vietnam without consulting
 the president or the attorney general.”

The president had begun to suspect that not everyone on his national security team was loyal. As Corson put it, “Kenny O’Donnell (JFK’s appointments  secretary) was convinced that McGeorge Bundy, the national security advisor, was taking orders from Ambassador Averell Harriman and not the president.  He was especially worried about Michael Forrestal, a young man on the White House staff who handled liaison on Vietnam with Harriman.”

This has always struck me as hinky.

Max Holland's The Assassination Tapes, pg 57:
At 6:55 p.m. Johnson has a ten minute meeting with Senator J. William Fulbright and diplomat W. Averell Harriman to discuss possible foreign involvement in the assassination, especially in light of the two-and-a-half-year sojourn of Lee Harvey Oswald [in Russia]...

Harriman, a U.S. ambassador to Moscow during WWII, is an experienced interpreter of Soviet machinations and offers the president the unanimous view of the U.S. government's top Kremlinologists.  None of them believe the Soviets have a hand in the assassination, despite the Oswald association.


From Spanning the Century: The Life of W. Averell Harriman, by Rudy Abramson, pgs 624-5, 630 emphasized:


Some of Averell's friends, including [Roger] Hilsman, who had heard Bob Kennedy muse about the possibility of Harriman as secretary of state, thought there was still a chance that Averell might yet get the Foggy Bottom job he long coveted.  But that had been before the notorious coup cable [243 authorizing Diem coup 8/24/63].

Though the President had avoided criticism of Averell in the episode, Harriman knew Kennedy's confidence in him was shaken.   After working his way to the seventh floor, he was suddenly viewed as a problem.  Almost overnight, he looked ten years older.  Privately, the President and the attorney general talked of finding a way to rehabilitate him, to find a job that would get him out of the Vietnam business.  There was a need to put more emphasis on hemispheric matters, and the President thought that one way to solve two problems might be to create a new post of undersecretary for Latin American affairs for him.

As deeply as the administration had involved itself in the machinations against Diem, Kennedy still appeared stunned when the long-anticipated coup ended with the assassination of Diem and Nhu on November 1.  The United States could technically claim that it had been a Vietnamese affair; but the administration had conditioned the atmosphere, beginning with the Harriman-Hilsman cable to Lodge.

By that time, Averell was already turning more attention to hemispheric problems.  The afternoon of November 22 was set a side for a meeting with oil company executives about the future of their contracts with the government in Argentina.  Beforehand, he went to a Hilsman luncheon for a delegation of politicians from the Phillipines.  He was finishing his dessert and talking with
Senator Frank Church about extremism in American politics when Church was called to the telephone.  A minute later, the
senator rushed back into the room, his face ashen.  The President had been shot, and was feared dead.  There was a moment
of silence, and then turmoil, shouted questions, and people getting up from the table to head for telephones.  Averell hadn't heard;
and when Church repeated the news, his reaction was that it couldn't be true.  "No, sir, I'm not joking," said Church.

Averell heard the shattering confirmation of Kennedy's death in George Ball's office moment later.  So undone that he could
only think of nothing else to do, he convened his oil meeting, but it lasted only a few minutes.  When an executive tastelessly
suggested an urgent approach to the new President to write the government of Argentina in behalf of American oil interests, he
adjourned in disgust.

He spent the afternoon helping Ball, who was, if anyone truly was, running the United States government, since Rusk and
several other Cabinet members were airborne, coming home after turning back from a flight to the Far East.  As darkness fell,
Averell drove out to Andrews Air Force Base with Ball and Alexis Johnson, joining the official mourning party standing silently
on the floodlit ramp as the President's casket was lowered from the rear door of Air Force One.

The following days were a blur of meetings and trips to airports to greet delegations arriving from all over the world for the state
funeral.  While Rusk and Ball attended to ceremonial duties, Harriman sat down with visitors who brought urgent diplomatic
problems with them--an insurgency developing against the government in the Dominican Republic, intelligence warnings of
political upheaval in Brazil, and signs of new trouble between India and Pakistan over Kashmir...

...After Johnson arrived from Dallas with Kennedy's body, Averell had been one of the first to see him and offer to stay as long
as he was wanted and serve wherever he was needed...

That's funny, Harriman never mentioned to his "authorized biographer" Abramson any of that bit about consensus among Soviet experts re Soviet innocence. Out of the Foreign Service only a month before JFK was murdered, George Kennan was up in Princeton with his new boss Robert Openheimer...

From George F. Kennan: An American Life, by John Lewis Gaddis, pg 557

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Interesting obit on net wealth (WE DON"T KNOW !!!) ...
Fortune Estimated at $50-$100 Million : Wife to Get Most of Harriman's Wealth
September 23, 1986 |United Press International

WASHINGTON — Former New York Gov. W. Averell Harriman left the bulk of his wealth to his widow, Pamela Digby Harriman, a will filed in a northern Virginia county showed today. Harriman is the mother of Winston Spencer Churchill II.

Averell Harriman, heir to one of the nation's largest family fortunes, did not disclose the value of his estate in the will. The 50-page document, written Sept. 12, 1984, and updated Aug. 7, 1985, was filed in Loudoun County Circuit Court on Aug. 8.

He owned a 60-acre estate, known as Willow Oaks, in Loudoun County horse and fox hunt country. He bequeathed to his wife all of his real estate, including homes in Yorktown Heights, N.Y., Sun Valley, Ida., and Washington's Georgetown section.

Harriman's first husband was Randolph Churchill, son of the former prime minister
. After their divorce she was married to Leland Hayward, actor's agent. She and Harriman were married in 1971 after his second wife died. She is 66.
the son of a multimillionaire railroad magnate, and his personal fortune was estimated at between $50 million and $100 million.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on April 15, 2016, 02:01:23 pm
Ted Cruz Imagine - 2016

not to be forgotten: JFK ,,,,

Rafael Cruz, A Pro-Batista, CIA Connected Cuban In Exile? Really Ted?
 April 12, 2016• Dianne Marshall•   
Oswald with Cruz Passing Out the Famous “Hands Off Cuba” Pamphlets. Oswald Was Arrested.

Rafael Cruz to the far left handing out pamphlets.

In an article written by David Zephyr, he  has exposed the connection between Rafael Cruz the father of candidate Ted Cruz and the Bush oil connection.  Interesting facts have arisen connecting him to Lee Harvey Oswald. Interesting  that Mr. Zephr has discovered the CIA connection that many of us have suspected of Rafael Cruz for a long time.

“I have written several DU’ers by private email over the last months about my research into Ted Cruz’s father’s inconsistent personal histories he has provided over the years. Rafael Cruz’s stories didn’t add up. Then there was the Dallas / New Orleans connection…and then Rafael’s fleeing to Canada and disappearing for years before returning to the US where his son wound up employed by the Bush Crime Family. When I found the real timetable of Rafael’s actual where-about between New Orleans and Dallas though the rubble of his many lies about his past, I began to write emails to many knowledgeable about the assassination. As I a am old and almost blind, it is hard for me to post here at the DU anymore, but this is something I’ve been quietly working on since the Summer of 2015.

Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on January 29, 2017, 12:26:43 pm
[ See Movie "Papa" Hemingway got info about Hoover from an Army guy ... ]

Fresh claim over role the FBI played in suicide of Ernest Hemingway

Friend reveals regret for dismissing writer's fear that he was being targeted by J Edgar Hoover

Now, however, Hemingway's friend and collaborator over the last 13 years of his life has suggested another contributing factor, previously dismissed as a paranoid delusion of the Nobel prize-winning writer. It is that Hemingway was aware of his long surveillance by J Edgar Hoover's FBI, who were suspicious of his links with Cuba, and that this may have helped push him to the brink
Writing in the New York Times on the 50th anniversary of Hemingway's death, AE Hotchner, author of Papa Hemingway and Hemingway and His World, said he believed that the FBI's surveillance "substantially contributed to his anguish and his suicide", adding that he had "regretfully misjudged" his friend's fear of the organisation.

The reassessment is significant as it was precisely because of Papa Hemingway that the writer's fear of being bugged and followed by the FBI first surfaced. Hotchner's belated change of heart casts a new light on the last few months of Hemingway's life and two incidents in particular.

In November 1960, Hotchner writes, he had gone to visit Hemingway and Mary in Ketchum, Idaho, for an annual pheasant shoot. Hemingway was behaving oddly, Hotchner recalls: "When Ernest and our friend Duke MacMullen met my train at Shoshone, Idaho, for the drive to Ketchum, we did not stop at the bar opposite the station as we usually did because Ernest was anxious to get on the road. I asked why the hurry. 'The Feds.'


"'They tailed us all the way. Ask Duke.'

"'Well... there was a car back of us out of Hailey.'

"'Why are FBI agents pursuing you?' I asked.

"'It's the worst hell. The goddamnedest hell. They've bugged everything. That's why we're using Duke's car. Mine's bugged. Everything's bugged. Can't use the phone. Mail intercepted.'

"We rode for miles in silence. As we turned into Ketchum, Ernest said quietly: 'Duke, pull over. Cut your lights.' He peered across the street at a bank. Two men were working inside. 'What is it?' I asked. 'Auditors. The FBI's got them going over my account.'

"'But how do you know?'

"'Why would two auditors be working in the middle of the night? Of course it's my account'."

It would not be the only time during this visit that Hemingway would complain about being under FBI surveillance. On the last day of Hotchner's visit, at dinner with the writer and his wife, Hemingway pointed out two men at the bar who he identified as "FBI agents".

With the two incidents immediately preceding Hemingway's hospitilisation at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, where he received electric shock therapy, and several unsuccessful suicide attempts that followed his release, most have written off Hemingway's complaints about the FBI as largely delusional.

In the 1980s, however, Hemingway's FBI file was released following a Freedom of Information request by Jeffrey Myers, an academic then at the University of Colorado. The file demonstrated a keen interest in Hemingway, including his wartime attempts to set up an anti-fascist spy network called the Crook Factory, and the interest persisted until he entered the Mayo Clinic in 1960.

Indeed, in January 1961, the special agent tasked with following him dutifully reported to Hoover in January of 1961 that Hemingway "was physically and mentally ill".

That file, running to more than 120 pages, 15 of them largely blacked out for national security reasons, also demonstrates quite how close an interest Hoover and his organisation took in Hemingway. It is reassessing the revelations contained in this file that prompted Hotchner to voice his regret that he had not taken Hemingway's complaints more seriously – or considered the potential impact that such surveillance might have had on a man entering a period of mental illness.

Papa Hemingway in Cuba (2015)
In 1959, a young journalist ventures to Havana, Cuba to meet his idol, the legendary Ernest Hemingway who helped him find his literary voice, while the Cuban Revolution comes to a boil around them.
A distracting subplot centers on the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover and the mafia, and the fact that Hemingway knows about Hoover’s penchant for wearing women’s clothing and can’t quite keep the secret. His punishment? The IRS audits him to the tune of $40,000 while FBI agents seek to destroy him by planting evidence of rebel gun-running on his fishing boat. They will parade him in handcuffs before the entire world, they will!
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: jofortruth on August 06, 2017, 05:50:17 pm
Jfk files are being released 2017

The tortured path that began with a left turn onto Dealey Plaza on Nov. 22, 1963, will find its unlikely end point this October in College Park, Md. At a National Archives annex, the last remaining documents related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy are being processed, scanned and readied for release

The time is up on Oct. 26, 2017. About 3,000 never-before-seen documents, along with 34,000 previously redacted files, are scheduled for release.

According to the National Archives, the final batch includes information on the CIA's station in Mexico City, where Oswald showed up weeks before JFK's death; 400 pages on E. Howard Hunt, the Watergate burglary conspirator who said on his deathbed that he had prior knowledge of the assassination; and testimony from the CIA's James Angleton, who oversaw intelligence on Oswald. The documents could also provide information on a CIA officer named George Joannides, who directed financial dealings with an anti-Castro group whose members had a public fight with Oswald on the streets of New Orleans in the summer of 1963.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: TahoeBlue on August 06, 2017, 09:06:30 pm
fyi ....  son of Hunt ... still with the Bushes
Ray Lee Hunt (born 1943)
Hunt is the son of the late H. L. Hunt (1889–1974), founder of Hunt Oil Co.[2]
After his father's death in 1974, he inherited Hunt Oil Co. along with his three sisters.
In September 2007, Hunt struck an oil deal with the Kurdistan Regional Government in the disputed territories of Ninewa near the Dohuk Governorate with an estimated value of $8 to $14.5 billion. The federal Iraqi Oil minister has denounced this deal as illegal, because under current Iraqi law only the central government is authorized to enter into contracts, though the Kurdistan Region believes it has a constitutional right to do so. The Kurds refuse to share details about the deal but insist that they will share profits. Likewise, Hunt Oil has refused to answer questions about the deal from US government officials who called for details when the deal became public. A U.S. Congressional committee concluded that George W. Bush administration officials knew that Hunt oil was planning to sign the oil deal with the regional Kurdistan Regional Government that ran counter to American policy and undercut Iraq’s central government. The issue is still open and the State Department's Office of Inspector General is reviewing the issue.[4]

In 2015, Hunt and his wife donated $2 million to a Super PAC supporting the presidential candidacy of Jeb Bush
As of 2015, Forbes estimated Hunt's net worth to be US$6 billion.
Title: Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
Post by: AlexanderStone on September 13, 2017, 07:36:49 pm
The former counselor to the world bank of 20 years states (and is true):

Both Kennedy, and Lincoln issued non approved currency. Which is why they were assassinated. Marilyn Monroe, and Robert Kennedy were also assassinated.

Technically there was another shooter, and the forensics lied.

The driver was involved as was the senior agent (SS for sabbatai sevi; illuminati) who waived the other away so the limo wouldn't have the protection of their bodies.