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Title: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: Optimus on November 26, 2010, 11:47:55 am
China Warns U.S. On Naval Exercises as North Korea Promises Retaliation
http://www.infowars.com/china-warns-u-s-on-naval-exercises-as-north-korea-promises-retaliation/

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
November 26, 2010

China has warned the United States against engaging in military activity on its coastline.
   
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North Korea warns of a “shower of dreadful fire” in response to the joint U.S.-South Korean exercises.    
   

“We oppose any military act by any party conducted in China’s exclusive economic zone without approval,” China’s Foreign Ministry replied in response to a question about the inclusion of a U.S. Aircraft carrier strike group participating in the joint exercise.

The exclusive economic zone is a maritime zone up to 200 nautical miles from a country’s coast.

It was reported today that Obama would be speaking with his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao in coming days. China has refused to condemn North Korea’s attack.

The Chinese statement arrives ahead of U.S.-South Korean naval exercises, according to Reuters. Earlier in the week, the Pentagon sent the USS George Washington and four other Navy ships to the Yellow Sea after North Korea shelled South Korean soldiers and civilians in response to South Korean military exercises.

In a statement from the U.S. Navy’s Seventh Fleet, the military exercises are described as a measure to show the United States’ “commitment to regional stability through deterrence.” Joint military exercises with the South Koreans begin on Sunday. North Korea has promised “waves of retaliation” if provoked.

Asian experts and political commentators warn the provocative military exercises near the North Korean and Chinese borders may result in war on the Korean Peninsula. North and South Korea have engaged in heightened saber-rattling since the incident earlier in the week.

On Friday, North Korea engaged in artillery drills within sight of the island bombed last week. The attack killed two soldiers and two civilians. Gen. Walter Sharp, the U.S. commander in South Korea, was on the island touring the damage at the time. “None of the latest rounds hit the South’s territory, and U.S. military officials said Sharp did not even hear the concussions, though residents on other parts of the island panicked and ran back to the air raid shelters where they huddled earlier in the week as white smoke rose from North Korean territory,” reports the Associated Press.

“The situation on the Korean peninsula is inching closer to the brink of war,” a report issued by the North’s official Korean Central News Agency said. Pyongyang’s military “precisely aimed and hit the enemy artillery base” on the island as punishment for South Korean military drills, said a North Korean official, who also warned of a “shower of dreadful fire” in response to the joint U.S.-South Korean exercises. “Gone are the days when verbal warnings are served only.”

    * A d v e r t i s e m e n t
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North Korea has the largest artillery force in the world. It maintains 80,000 special forces and is believed to have some 13,000 artillery pieces deployed along the border.

In South Korea, the situation has resulted in political chaos.

Following the shelling of Yeonpyeong Island, South Korean president Lee Myung-bak accepted the resignation of his defense minister and ordered more troops and advanced weaponry to the maritime border with North Korea. “We should not ease our sense of crisis in preparation for the possibility of another provocation by North Korea,” spokesman Hong Sang-pyo said, quoting the South Korean president. “A provocation like this can recur any time.” Myung-bak appointed his security adviser Lee Hee-Won as his new defense minister.

“The South Korean media is baying for blood (or at least air strikes), the South Korean defense minister has fallen on his sword, and extra troops have been posted on the outlying islands,” writes Peter Foster for the Telegraph.

“If the North Koreans continue to act in this provocative way, it’s fair to ask the question, where does that all end in terms of South Korea’s ability to simply continue to turn the other cheek,” said Australian Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd. “This question goes to the heart of the political and security order of the world, [and] it’s important, I believe, for China to step up to the plate,” said Rudd after talking to the U.S. secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.

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“The pressing task now is to put the situation under control and prevent a recurrence of similar incidents,” said Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi today after talking with Clinton by phone. Yang Jiechi also spoke with the South Korean foreign minister and the North Korean ambassador to China.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Nailer on November 26, 2010, 12:05:18 pm


it will happen Sunday and then we will see if NK or China does anything to start a War..

Rumor across the web  is that Sunday will be the start of another War with NK and that the US draft will be reintroduced .

Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Freeski on November 26, 2010, 12:10:18 pm
North Korea warns of a “shower of dreadful fire” in response to the joint U.S.-South Korean exercises.

Sounds "grave".
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Joseon on November 26, 2010, 03:13:54 pm
nothing but saber rattling, nothing will happen.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 27, 2010, 06:30:05 am
We saw a friend from church from the Philippines tonight in the supermarket. He was with two Filipinos that just came here to Korea four days ago and they were very worried about something happening after the drills tomorrow.  I tried to explained that small border skirmishes happen all the time here along the border (though it was the first time since the war either side used artillery).

They told me a Filipino friend was going to join them here today but was stopped by Filipino immigration (which also controls emigration).  Apparently their government will not allow workers to emigrate here right now and in the case of a war will evacuate or order/recommend Filipinos to evacuate.

I'm still not that worried myslef, but I think it is significant that other nations are restricting emigration here.  I don't think our own state dep't. has issued any warning.  If I wasn't here with my family already, I don't know if I would move here right now. 

I have looked at maps, though, of the range of their (the North's) artillery and we are all right at the moment. However, we are very close to being in range  -- especially if they move pieces around.

Of course being between Seoul and the DMZ we are also in the path of any possible blitz-type invasion, but I don't believe that is iminent for the time being.

citizenx,
Pocheon, Gyeonggi Province, South Korea
Title: THIS IS WAR! CHINA TELLS AMERICA: Turn Around The USS George Washington
Post by: XR500Final2 on November 27, 2010, 06:30:07 am
CHINA TELLS AMERICA: Turn Around The USS George Washington

China has warned against military activity near its coastline ahead of U.S.-Korea naval exercises, according to Reuters.

China's Foreign Ministry said in an online posting that naval exercises risks starting a war: "We oppose any military act by any party conducted in China's exclusive economic zone without approval."

North Korea has also threatened to respond to military gestures with more attacks: "The situation on the Korean peninsula is inching closer to the brink of war due to the reckless plan of those trigger-happy elements to stage again war exercises targeted against the (North)."

http://www.businessinsider.com/china-us-korea-war-drill-2010-11?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider#ixzz16U8d0uVP
Title: Re: THIS IS WAR! CHINA TELLS AMERICA: Turn Around The USS George Washington
Post by: feeditup on November 27, 2010, 06:39:02 am
tomorrow might be a big day.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Dig on November 27, 2010, 07:08:21 am
China Warns U.S. as Korea Tensions Rise
Beijing Bears Rising Cost for Support of Pyongyang; New Take on Naval Exercises
http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=581054
By JEREMY PAGE in Dandong, China and JAY SOLOMON and JULIAN E. BARNES in Washington

DANDONG, China—Beijing on Friday lodged its first official protest of a joint U.S.-South Korean military exercise planned for Sunday, even as the aircraft carrier USS George Washington steamed toward the region. North Korea also responded angrily. "The situation on the Korean peninsula is inching closer to the brink of war," the state controlled Korean Central News Agency responded Friday to the maneuvers, which are set to take place in the Yellow Sea between the Koreas and northeastern China. The strong talk was the latest fallout from North Korea's hour-long artillery attack of a South Korean island on Tuesday that killed four people. The next day, the U.S. and South Korea said planned joint exercises would go ahead over the weekend, heightening fears in some quarters that already-tense relations between North and South Korea—and their respective international protectors, China and the U.S.—could be heading for a showdown. The U.S. military aircraft carrier USS George Washington sets sail from Yokosuka naval base. Yet China's outwardly defiant response belies a more delicate political reality: Beijing's continued support of North Korea's erratic, martial regime is beginning to extract real costs. China's statement Friday included a face-saving formulation that appeared to open the door for a scenario China has long sought to avert—a U.S. aircraft carrier, a potent symbol of U.S. military might, plying the edge of Chinese waters.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Dig on November 27, 2010, 07:09:45 am
Expats recalled as North Korea prepares for war
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/expats-recalled-as-north-korea-prepares-for-war-2145018.html
By Shaun Walker in Moscow Saturday, 27 November 2010

A mass exodus of North Korean workers from the Far East of Russia is under way, according to reports coming out of the region. As the two Koreas edged towards the brink of war this week, it appears that the workers in Russia have been called back to aid potential military operations. Vladnews agency, based in Vladivostok, reported that North Korean workers had left the town of Nakhodka en masse shortly after the escalation of tension on the Korean peninsula earlier this week. "Traders have left the kiosks and markets, workers have abandoned building sites, and North Korean secret service employees working in the region have joined them and left," the agency reported. Russia's migration service said that there were over 20,000 North Koreans in Russia at the beginning of 2010, of which the vast majority worked in construction. The workers are usually chaperoned by agents from Kim Jong-il's security services and have little contact with the world around them. Defectors have suggested that the labourers work 13-hour days and that most of their pay is sent back to the government in Pyongyang. Hundreds of workers have fled the harsh conditions and live in hiding in Russia, constantly in fear of being deported back to North Korea. "North Korea's government sends thousands of its citizens to Russia to earn money, most of which is funnelled through government accounts," says Simon Ostrovsky, a journalist who discovered secret North Korean logging camps in the northern Siberian taiga. "Workers are often sent to remote locations for years at a time to work long hours and get as little as three days off per year." Now it appears that some kind of centralised order has been given for the workers to return home.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: shipgeek on November 27, 2010, 07:38:44 am
citizenx,
Pocheon, Gyeonggi Province, South Korea

you and your family stay safe, please!
if the situation gets too uncertain take your family and go away

what goes on here is definitely not good
why do the US need to provoke further by sending the aircraft carrier for drills???

 ::)

my message to Obama : Keep out!!!!
my message to China : keep out!!!


NO WAR!!!!
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 27, 2010, 07:49:45 am
If it gets dangerous, we will definitely get out -- somewhere.  I would not take any chances with my wife and child, and few with myself nowadays.  I don't think we are really close to that point, though.

Thanks for your concern, though, shipgeek.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 27, 2010, 06:06:05 pm
The Threat of War in Korea: Philippines prepares for possible mass evacuation from S.Korea, requests Japan's aid
 
 
Global Research, November 27, 2010
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Philippine President Benigno Aquino has held talks with Japanese Ambassador Makoto Katsura in Manila on the possible immediate evacuation of some 50,000 Filipinos from South Korea to Japan, NHK television reported on Saturday.

President Aquino's concerns come after reports of a U.S. naval task force led by the George Washington nuclear-powered aircraft carrier that will join South Korean warships in naval exercises on November 28-December 1.

The drills will be held in the wake of a recent military clash between North Korea and South Korea. The South claimed it returned fire after the North opened artillery fire on Yeonpyeong Island in the Yellow Sea on Tuesday, killing at least two South Korean marines and two civilians. Sixteen others were injured, along with three civilians.

Aquino held an extraordinary meeting with government officials to inform them of the need to be prepared for the evacuation of Filipinos living and working in South Korea, adding that their evacuation to the Philippines would take much time and "the closest country to South Korea is Japan."

THK television neither reported on how such an evacuation would occur nor on Japan's actions should it need to accept 50,000 Filipino refugees.

The situation on the Korean Peninsula remains tense and South Korea has boosted its military presence on Yeonpyeong Island.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei on Friday said, citing the upcoming U.S.-South Korean naval drills in the Yellow Sea, that China strongly opposes any foreign states' military maneuvers in its exclusive economic zone.

China has always remained a close ally to North Korea.

The USS George Washington, which carries 75 combat aircraft and a crew of over 6,000, has left its naval base in Yokosuka, Japan, and will arrive in the Yellow Sea on Sunday to begin military maneuvers with South Korea, which many see as irritating the already tense situation between the North and South.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22126
 
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Suriel on November 27, 2010, 07:13:40 pm
US And Korea Officially Begin War Exercises -- Japanese Cabinet Put On Alert
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-and-korea-officially-begin-war-exercises-japanese-cabinet-put-on-alert-2010-11#ixzz16XFQnkiL
Joe Weisenthal | Nov. 27, 2010, 7:58 PM

It's official: South Korea and the US have officially begun war exercises, according to CNN, that may provoke further action from North Korea, and which China has warned against.

Meanwhile, in Japan...

Kyodo News:

All members of Prime Minister Naoto Kan's Cabinet were on alert Saturday for developments in North Korea as South Korea and the U.S. prepared to start a four-day military drill Sunday in the Yellow Sea.

Cabinet members have been ordered by Kan to stay in Tokyo until Wednesday and be at their ministry offices within an hour in the event of a crisis.


Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: T0RN on November 27, 2010, 07:24:09 pm
North Korea issues chilling warning over US-South Korea war games


NORTH Korea's state media warned today that "no-one can predict the ensuing consequences" if a US carrier group goes ahead with a planned drill with South Korea in the Yellow Sea.

The Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) statement came days after the hardline communist regime sharply heightened regional tensions with an artillery attack that killed two marines and two civilians on a South Korean border island.

The nuclear-powered aircraft carrier the USS George Washington and its battle group plans four days of exercises starting today with a flotilla of South Korean warships in a show of force meant to deter Pyongyang.

The KCNA report labelled the United States "the arch-criminal who orchestrated the recent military clash", in which South Korea on Tuesday returned artillery fire at the North.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/north-korea-issues-chilling-warning-over-us-south-korea-war-games/story-e6frg6so-1225962038838 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/north-korea-issues-chilling-warning-over-us-south-korea-war-games/story-e6frg6so-1225962038838)
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Freeski on November 28, 2010, 12:34:57 am
Chilling warnings are worse than grave threats.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Suriel on November 28, 2010, 12:41:56 am
Chinese government to make 'urgent' announcement
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20101128000305

2010-11-28 15:30

The Chinese government said Sunday it will make an "urgent" announcement later in the day amid rising military tensions surrounding the Korean Peninsula.

   China's foreign ministry said it will hold a press conference at 4:30 p.m. for both domestic and foreign reporters based in Beijing, adding that it will not accept any questions during the conference.

   The ministry didn't provide details about the announcement, but it is expected to cover developments surrounding North Korea's recent attack on South Korea.

   North Korea on Tuesday fired a barrage of artillery rounds toward Yeonpyeong Island near the tense Yellow Sea border, killing two South Korean marines and as many civilians and leaving 18 others wounded.

   The attack drew international condemnation and angered South Koreans, who came under the communist neighbor's first attack targeting civilians since the 1950-53 Korean War.

   Defying North Korea's threats, South Korea and the United States launched large-scale naval drills off the Korean Peninsula's west coast Sunday with the aircraft carrier USS George Washington participating, in a potent show of force against the North.

   Chinese State Councilor Dai Bingguo, who advises top Chinese officials on foreign policies, traveled to Seoul Saturday with Beijing's chief nuclear negotiator Wu Dawei. On Sunday, South Korean President Lee Myung-bak and Dai discussed measures to ease tensions on the peninsula.

   China has expressed concerns on the South Korean-U.S. joint military exercise, saying it will further escalate the tensions.

   China's state-run Xinhua News Agency reported earlier on Sunday that Choe Thae-bok, secretary of the North's Central Committee of the Workers' Party and chairman of the regime's parliament Supreme People's Assembly, will make a five-day visit to China starting on Tuesday, in response to an invitation from Wu Bangguo, China's top legislator and second-ranking official. (Yonhap News)
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Freeski on November 28, 2010, 12:45:13 am
...will make an "urgent" announcement later in the day

?
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: T0RN on November 28, 2010, 12:51:01 am
Urgent : compelling immediate action

Later : at some eventual time in the future

 ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Suriel on November 28, 2010, 12:52:10 am
South Korea orders journalists off island

excerpt from http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/south-korea-orders-journalists-755616.html

Quote
YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea — South Korea's Defense Ministry has ordered journalists to leave the front-line island of Yeonpyeong, citing high tension with North Korea.

The Defense Ministry says "the situation is not good" on the island, following the start of South Korea-U.S. military drills in Yellow Sea waters to the south.

Earlier Sunday, the military ordered islanders and journalists to evacuate to shelters following after several artillery rounds were heard. None of the rounds hit the island.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea (AP) — The sound of new artillery fire from North Korea just hours after the U.S. and South Korea launched a round of war games in Korean waters sent residents and journalists on a front-line island scrambling for cover Sunday.

None of the rounds landed on Yeonpyeong Island, military officials said, but the incident showed how tense and uncertain the situation remains along the Koreas' disputed maritime border five days after a North Korean artillery attack decimated parts of the island and killed four South Koreans.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Freeski on November 28, 2010, 01:04:39 am
Urgent : compelling immediate action

Later : at some eventual time in the future

 ???

I suspect they like to f**k with our minds.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: shipgeek on November 28, 2010, 02:00:20 am
I wonder how this is going to turn out with the US of A as the main player in the game and Obama as the man in charge...   ::) South Korea are a puppet with the US pulling all the strings.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 28, 2010, 02:26:28 am
Well, went to a wedding in Seoul today.  One of my co-workers was marrying a captain in the Army.  Besides the groom and honor guard and a few other essential military perosnnel for such an occasion, there were no other military in attendance.  Everyone was on "standby" on base or elsewhere, I was informed.  They are taking this very seriously here.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: shipgeek on November 28, 2010, 02:56:55 am
Well, went to a wedding in Seoul today.  One of my co-workers was marrying a captain in the Army.  Besides the groom and honor guard and a few other essential military perosnnel for such an occasion, there were no other military in attendance.  Everyone was on "standby" on base or elsewhere, I was informed.  They are taking this very seriously here.

Looks like "somebody" wants war. What good will it do?
Killing more people? Hasn't the US done enough wrong in Iraq? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Somalia? Nicaragua? Panama? Vietnam? etc? Do they really want to start/trigger another war?

I guess the only advantages will be for the military-industrial complex and various contractors involved.

They keep lying to the sheep by telling them that North Korea started the artillery fire while we know damn well that this is not true South Korea firing first.
Let's see who will fire first this time.

Please keep us updated citizenX. Thank you.
Title: Chinese government to make ‘urgent’ announcement TODAY
Post by: Letsbereal on November 28, 2010, 04:44:20 am
Chinese government to make ‘urgent’ announcement
28 November 2010
, by Kim Young-gyo - Hong Kong (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128003500320.HTML

The Chinese government said Sunday it will make an "urgent" announcement later in the day amid rising military tensions surrounding the Korean Peninsula.

China's foreign ministry said it will hold a press conference at 4 p.m. for both domestic and foreign reporters based in Beijing, adding that it will not accept any questions during the conference.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: shipgeek on November 28, 2010, 04:49:58 am
Isn't it a bit late? 
Will the SK and US agree to this meeting and stop the drills?

 ???

YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea – China tried Sunday to defuse tension over a recent North Korean attack on the South by proposing an emergency meeting in Beijing, hours after the U.S. and South Korea launched naval war games in a united show of force.

Beijing's top nuclear envoy called for an emergency meeting among the six nations involved in the stalled North Korean nuclear disarmament talks to calm tempers over North Korea's artillery barrage Tuesday that killed four people on South Korea's front-line island of Yeonpyeong.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101128/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 28, 2010, 04:59:34 am
China proposes emergency meeting on Korea tensions  
   
By DAVID GUTTENFELDER and JEAN H. LEE, Associated Press David Guttenfelder And Jean H. Lee, Associated Press –

26 mins ago

YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea – China tried Sunday to defuse tension over a recent North Korean attack on the South by proposing an emergency meeting in Beijing, hours after the U.S. and South Korea launched naval war games in a united show of force.

Beijing's top nuclear envoy called for an emergency meeting among the six nations involved in the stalled North Korean nuclear disarmament talks to calm tempers over North Korea's artillery barrage Tuesday that killed four people on South Korea's front-line island of Yeonpyeong.

Nuclear envoy Wu Dawei said in a statement issued in Beijing that the international community, particularly members of the six-party talks — the two Koreas, Japan, the U.S., China and Russia — were deeply concerned about recent developments. He called for a meeting of chief nuclear negotiations in China in early December.

continued:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101128/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash

Title: S. Korea effectively rejects China's offer to resume six-party talks
Post by: Letsbereal on November 28, 2010, 05:18:41 am
S. Korea effectively rejects China's offer to resume six-party talks
28 November 2010
, Seoul (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128006000315.HTML

South Korea's foreign ministry said Sunday that China's offer to resume six-party talks on North Korea "should be studied very carefully," stressing that creating the right atmosphere for reopening the negotiations is a priority.

The reaction was seen as a de facto rejection of Beijing's proposal that the chief delegates from the six nations meet in early December to discuss tensions on the Korean Peninsula after North Korea's deadly artillery strike on a South Korean island.
Title: (URGENT) Explosion sounds of artillery fire heard on Yeonpyeong Island
Post by: Letsbereal on November 28, 2010, 05:23:03 am
(URGENT) Explosion sounds of artillery fire heard on Yeonpyeong Island, official says
28 November 2010
, (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/47/0200000000AEN20101128001900320F.HTML

(END)


(URGENT) S. Korea's military spots signs of N. Korean artillery firing: official
28 November 2010
, (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/60/0200000000AEN20101128002000315F.HTML

(END)


N. Korea deploys SA-2 surface-to-air missiles near Yellow Sea border
28 November 2010
, (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/91/0200000000AEN20101128000700315F.HTML

North Korea has deployed SA-2 surface-to-air missiles to its west coast near the Yellow Sea border with South Korea as U.S.-led naval drills got underway in a show of force against the North's deadly artillery attack on a South Korean island earlier last week, government sources said Sunday.

"(The missiles) appear to be targeting our fighter jets that fly near the Northern Limit Line (NLL)," the source said on customary condition of anonymity, referring to the Yellow Sea border.

South Korea and the U.S. on Sunday launched large-scale naval drills off the Korean Peninsula's west coast, far south of the border where four people were killed and 18 others wounded in Tuesday's surprise attack on Yeonpyeong Island.

The Soviet-designed SA-2 missile has a range of between 13 and 30 kilometers. Other missiles on the North's west coast, such as the Samlet and Silkworm with ranges of up to 95km, have also been put onto launch pads, the source said.

"The military is preparing for the possibility of further provocations as the North Korean military has deployed firepower near the NLL and is preparing to fire," the source said.

(END)


(LEAD) S. Korean artillery mistakenly fired on DMZ
28 November 2010
, (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128005300315.HTML

PAJU, South Korea, Nov. 28 (Yonhap) -- South Korea mistakenly fired an artillery shell toward the southern side of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) on Sunday afternoon and soon sent a message to North Korea that the firing was accidental, military officials said.

No casualties occurred from the accidental discharge that took place at around 3 p.m., the officials said.
Title: Re: S. Korea effectively rejects China's offer to resume six-party talks
Post by: Letsbereal on November 28, 2010, 05:34:33 am
S. Korea effectively rejects China's offer to resume six-party talks
28 November 2010
, Seoul (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128006000315.HTML

South Korea's foreign ministry said Sunday that China's offer to resume six-party talks on North Korea "should be studied very carefully," stressing that creating the right atmosphere for reopening the negotiations is a priority.

The reaction was seen as a de facto rejection of Beijing's proposal that the chief delegates from the six nations meet in early December to discuss tensions on the Korean Peninsula after North Korea's deadly artillery strike on a South Korean island.

(URGENT) Pres. Lee made clear to Chinese official resumption of six-way talks "not timely": Cheong Wa Dae
28 November 2010
, (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128005400315.HTML

(END)


(5th LD) China calls for emergency talks on N. Korean nukes
28 November 2010
, by Kim Young-gyo - Hong Kong (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128005900320.HTML

China on Sunday called for emergency discussions early next month among envoys to the six-party talks aimed at denuclearizing North Korea, amid rising military tensions surrounding the Korean Peninsula caused by the North's artillery attacks on a southern island.

The six-party talks involving China, the two Koreas, the United States, Japan and Russia have been deadlocked since December 2008. Chances of resuming talks soured when a Seoul-led multinational investigation concluded that Pyongyang torpedoed its warship Cheonan in March, killing 46 South Korean sailors.



(2nd LD) Secretary of N. Korean ruling party to visit China
28 November 2010
, by Kim Young-gyo - Hong Kong (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128005200320.HTML

The secretary of North Korea's ruling party is to visit China later this week, Chinese media reported Sunday, amid rising tensions on the Korean Peninsula following the North's abrupt attack on the South.

Choe Thae-bok, secretary of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party and chairman of the regime's parliament Supreme People's Assembly, will make a five-day visit to China starting on Tuesday, said China's state-run Xinhua News Agency in its Chinese-language report.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: feeditup on November 28, 2010, 05:35:06 am
unreal
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Kilika on November 28, 2010, 05:48:39 am
Just how much of an emergency are these talks when they propose them to be next month? Isn't an emergency like, oh, right now? ::)
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Letsbereal on November 28, 2010, 05:51:05 am
(3rd LD) S. Korean president calls for China's role in reining in N. Korea
28 November 2010
, by Lee Chi-dong, Lee Haye-ah - Seoul (Yonhap)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128004100315.HTML

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak formally asked China Sunday to take a "fair and responsible" attitude toward North Korea's belligerent behavior that jeopardizes the peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula, Lee's office Cheong Wa Dae said.

Lee delivered the message to Chinese State Councilor Dai Bingguo, who arrived in Seoul Saturday night at the order of Chinese President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao, it added.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Nailer on November 28, 2010, 05:59:02 am


"The military is preparing for the possibility of further provocations as the North Korean military has deployed firepower near the NLL and is preparing to fire,"

The Soviet-designed SA-2 missile has a range of between 13 and 30 kilometers. Other missiles on the North's west coast, such as the Samlet and Silkworm with ranges of up to 95km, have also been put onto launch pads, the source said.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/91/0200000000AEN20101128000700315F.HTML
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: shipgeek on November 28, 2010, 06:08:16 am

"The military is preparing for the possibility of further provocations as the North Korean military has deployed firepower near the NLL and is preparing to fire,"

The Soviet-designed SA-2 missile has a range of between 13 and 30 kilometers. Other missiles on the North's west coast, such as the Samlet and Silkworm with ranges of up to 95km, have also been put onto launch pads, the source said.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/91/0200000000AEN20101128000700315F.HTML

These are the toy missiles.
I thought NK had ICBMs?

Before blaming it all on NK side, the MSM should really blame it on SK for "accidentally" firing on the DMZ.
They started the whole thing... not so accidentally me thinks... they are the puppet - the US are pulling all the strings.

 :o
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 28, 2010, 06:23:23 am
The North Korean ICBM's may be partly mythical, not necessarily as proven as all that in terms of the technology.  I would think even Russian rockets ( ;D) would make them look poor in quality control.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: shipgeek on November 28, 2010, 06:36:50 am
I wonder if maybe the Kim's nukes are also mythical?

 ???
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 28, 2010, 06:44:07 am
Largely mythical methinks, but to the degree they are real, we (U.S.) gave them to the North Koreans via direct technology transfers and material and indirect via Pakistan during the Dr. Khan era.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Nailer on November 28, 2010, 06:47:48 am

This site gives damage area for nukes, just type in your arear code or city.

Seoul hit with a 100KT nuke simulation.

http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: shipgeek on November 28, 2010, 07:21:33 am
Largely mythical methinks, but to the degree they are real, we (U.S.) gave them to the North Koreans via direct technology transfers and material and indirect via Pakistan during the Dr. Khan era.

The cat (US) running after its own tail (NK nukes)... moowhahahaha!!!!

so.. no sign of skirmishes on the first day of "drill"?
maybe this is just intimidation?
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 28, 2010, 07:41:35 am
The cat (US) running after its own tail (NK nukes)... moowhahahaha!!!!
Precisely.  Shadowboxing.  If we didn't have an enemy, we would have to invent one -- and arm it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: Freeski on November 28, 2010, 12:33:57 pm
N. Korea moves missiles to front-line
By KIM DO-GYUN | REUTERS

Published: Nov 28, 2010 21:24 Updated: Nov 28, 2010 21:24

YEONPYEONG: North Korea has placed surface-to-surface missiles on launch pads in the Yellow Sea, Yonhap news agency said, as the United States and South Korea began military drills and China called for emergency talks.

http://arabnews.com/world/article202633.ece
Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 28, 2010, 02:45:48 pm
North Korea opens fire as war games begin        

Rick Wallace
The Australian
Nov 28, 2010

JOINT US-South Korea military exercises in the Yellow Sea got off to a tense start yesterday.

North Korea fired off more artillery shells in an apparent training exercise while it moved missiles into position near the sea border.

Last night defence authorities ordered journalists to leave Yeonpyeong in case of a fresh attack, while South Korean forces accidentally discharged an artillery shell that fell on their own side of the demilitarised zone.

The North, which had warned that the US-led naval exercises would bring the region to the brink of war, yesterday vowed a “merciless military counter-attack” against any intrusion into its waters.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/north-korea-opens-fire-as-war-games-begin.html

original article:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/north-korea-opens-fire-as-war-games-begin/story-e6frg6so-1225962359248


Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 28, 2010, 02:58:08 pm
S. Korean artillery mistakenly fired on DMZ

 PAJU, South Korea, Nov. 28 (Yonhap) -- An artillery shot accidentally fired by a South Korean army unit fell on the South Korean side of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) on Sunday afternoon, military officials said.

   No casualties were reported from the accidental discharge that occurred at around 3 p.m., the officials said. An artillery unit stationed in the border town of Paju, Gyeonggi Province, mistakenly fired a shell that landed near Daeseong-dong, a civilian village on the southern side the DMZ dividing the two Koreas, they said.

   Nicknamed "Freedom Village," the Daeseong-dong village is inhabited by some 200 residents.

continued:

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2010/11/28/63/0301000000AEN20101128005100315F.HTML

Title: Re: Upcoming Naval Exercise Provoking China as N. Korea Promises Retaliation
Post by: citizenx on November 29, 2010, 06:22:35 am
SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island
       
Hyung-jin Kim And Foster Klug, Associated Press – 22 mins ago



SEOUL, South Korea – South Korea's military has canceled a live-fire artillery exercise planned for Tuesday on the front-line island targeted last week by a deadly North Korean bombardment.

Officials from the South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff told reporters Monday that the plans to fire artillery rounds into waters southwest of Yeonpyeong Island have been canceled.

The military did not give a reason for the cancellation.

continued:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101129/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash
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Finally, a bit of good news IMO.  However, SK is also deploying more long-range artillery to Yeonpyeong.

Six of one, half dozen the other.

Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on November 29, 2010, 04:05:04 pm
And then again:

US-South Korea Drill Off Due To Bad Weather, Journalists Prevented From Filming

November 29, 2010 by Alex   
Filed under Korea, War/Economy
1 Comment
Editors Note: Why were journalists prevented from filming if the drill was simply called off due to bad weather? This looks like a clear attempt by certain people within our government to start a possible world war.

Associated Press

Joint South Korean and US landing exercises on Mallipo beach were cancelled on Monday with military officials blaming bad weather for the cancellation.

In some cases, journalists were prevented from filming, and the full details behind the cancellation were unclear.

North Korea expressed renewed outrage over the Yellow Sea drills.

http://theintelhub.com/2010/11/29/us-south-korea-drill-off-due-to-bad-weather-journalists-prevented-from-filming/


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A point well-taken.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: Kilika on November 30, 2010, 03:22:02 am
Just a guess on my part, based on the move by the globalists to set up a world government, that these type situations are all geared toward reeling in the rogue nations to conform to the NWO. North Korea is just one of several countries that I suspect will be pressured to change their ways politically. I'd venture to say that now they have "Kim the Younger" in charge, NK will be opening up politically to the world in a rather short time after "Kim the Elder" dies. Same with Cuba. Once the Castros are out of power, I think Cuba will open up within months and the US will drop the embargo almost as fast.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on November 30, 2010, 02:37:46 pm
IF THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON IS JUST ON A TRAINING EXERCISE, WHY DOES CNN HAVE A REPORTER ALREADY ON BOARD THE SHIP?
Tags: CORPORATE MEDIA COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA KOREA
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Note that Americans are blocked from seeing the actual report!

http://whatreallyhappened.com
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfuy68_onboard-the-uss-george-washington_news

Note:  I watched it myself.  Almost seemed like propaganda aimed toward a S.Korean audience.

Don't know if it really can't be watched in America, as Rivero says.  (Maybe they have released it to the U.S. by now, also.)
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: ryanwv on November 30, 2010, 02:50:08 pm
It looks like everyone is waiting for the other side to make the first move. Currently leadership in the North is really not stable. The got a power struggle on their hands which may explain why they are acting like warhounds all of a sudden.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on November 30, 2010, 05:50:52 pm
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/pictures-of-the-day-south-korea-and-elsewhere-3/?hp

Heavy fog has the planes on the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the USS George Washington "grounded" on the flight deck.

Amazing how Mother Nature can make some of our most impressive technology ineffective at times.

The fog of war, indeed.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: Tsul777 on November 30, 2010, 06:08:00 pm
(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3604/f180.jpg)
A US Navy crew member stands on deck as a F-18 Super Hornet strike fighter plane takes off from the USS George Washington during a joint US and South Korea military exercise on the Korean Peninsula's west sea on November 30, 2010 South Korea. South Korean and American military forces began war games exercises on Sunday. Tensions between the two Koreas remain high following an artillery exchange on the disputed island of Yeonpyeong on November 24.

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4291/27018075.jpg)
US Navy crew members watch as a F-18 Super Hornet strike fighter plane lands on the deck of USS George Washington during a joint US and South Korea military exercise on the Korean Peninsula's west sea on November 30, 2010 South Korea. South Korean and American military forces began war games exercises on Sunday. Tensions between the two Koreas remain high following an artillery exchange on the disputed island of Yeonpyeong on November 24.

Looks pretty damn operational to me!

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?190201-Todays-Photos-Tuesday-30th-November-2010
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on November 30, 2010, 06:52:29 pm
That photo is from yesteraday Korea time.  Planes are on the flight deck now.  Socked in with fog.

Can't post the pictures from work, but you can go to the New York Times lin above.

It's pretty foggy where I'm at, too (inland).
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on December 01, 2010, 12:18:01 am
Allies conduct WMD-interception drills

2010-11-30 19:07


South Korea and the U.S. staged a naval exercise to enhance their abilities to stop the trafficking of weapons of mass destruction on Tuesday, the third day of their four-day exercise in the West Sea.

“Under the scenario in which a ship suspected of carrying WMDs is caught passing at high seas, the allied militaries will practice sharing intelligence on the ship and sending warships to interdict the vessel,” said an official at the Joint Chiefs of Staff in a press briefing.

“It is a high-level tactical drill. We are to mobilize Lynx helicopters to check the maritime situation and keep vigilance while deploying high-speed naval ships and maritime special troops to seize and search the suspicious vessel.”

continued:

http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20101130001102
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As Mike Rivero points out, this may be preparation for a blockade -- whether they call it that or not.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on December 01, 2010, 06:25:22 am
Report: S. Korea discusses more joint military drills with U.S.


By the CNN Wire Staff
December 1, 2010 -- Updated 1218 GMT (2018 HKT)

Nov. 30, 2010.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Report: S. Korea is in talks with the U.S. for more drills to deal with "provocation by the enemy"
Government ministers from South Korea and Japan will attend a December meeting
North Korea warns U.S.-South Korea drills could lead to "all-out war any time"
China proposes talks with six powers to discuss issues on the Korean peninsula


Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- As South Korea and the United States wrapped up joint military exercises on the Yellow Sea on Wednesday, South Korea is continuing plans for artillery firing drills next week amid brewing tensions with North Korea.

The live fire drills are a routine monthly exercise aimed at securing the safety of ships in the area, the Joint Chief of Staffs told CNN. They are scheduled to begin Monday.

Officials said the planned firing drills are expected to take place in waters around the Korean peninsula, including close to the Yellow Sea border, the Yonhap News Agency reported.

continued:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/01/koreas.crisis/index.html?hpt=T2

Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: shipgeek on December 01, 2010, 06:31:17 am
I enjoy seeing the F-18 SuperHornets doing flying demos at air shows but I hate seeing them in war context.

Weapons of Mass Destruction? We have haard it all before.
Iraq WMDs
Iran WMDs

now it's the Kim's WMDs

 ::)

The US always needs to find some excuse for their interventions outside of their own territory.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on December 01, 2010, 04:11:15 pm
South Korea to hold artillery drills near border with North
China calls for restraint a week after North Korean attack on Yeonpyeong island killed four

 
Tania Branigan in Beijing
 guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 December 2010
 
South Korea plans to hold major artillery training exercises next week – including some in an area close to its disputed maritime border with the North, media in Seoul reported today.

Analysts warned the move, which emerged as the South's military completed joint drills with a US aircraft carrier group, could increase tensions already running high in the wake of last week's attack by the North.

China's foreign minister called for restraint, and said all parties should avoid any actions that could "inflame the situation".

continued:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/south-korea-artillery-border-north

Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on December 01, 2010, 04:13:38 pm
North Korea 'highly likely to attack South Korea again'
North Korea is “highly likely” to attack South Korea again as its ailing leader Kim Jong-il seeks to bolster the standing of his regime ahead of a planned handover of power, South Korea’s intelligence chief has warned.
 
 By Peter Foster, Beijing 10:19AM GMT 01 Dec 2010

 
“There is a high possiblity that the North will make another attack,” said Won Sei-hoon, director of South Korea’s National Intelligence Service told a parliamentary committee meeting in Seoul.

He added that phone-tap intelligence last August had hinted at the likelihood of an attack off South Korea’s west coast, months before last week’s shelling by North Korea of a South Korean island, killing four.

The attack had come against a backdrop of economic and political instability in the North, which is reeling under UN sanctions imposed last year after its second illegal nuclear weapons test.

continued:

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/8173030/North-Korea-highly-likely-to-attack-South-Korea-again.html

Title: UPDATE: South Korea starts live-fire artillery drill
Post by: Brocke on December 20, 2010, 03:49:16 pm
South Korea starts live-fire artillery drill

    * From correspondents on Yeonpyeong Island, South Korea
    * From: news.com.au
    * December 20, 2010 5:06PM

SOUTH Korean troops have started a live-fire artillery exercise on a border island, the defence ministry has said, despite threats by North Korea to hit back.

The exercise is taking place on Yeonpyeong island, the same place North Korea shelled last month during a similar artillery test.  Four South Koreans were killed.

South Korea has said the drill will last less than two hours.  Its start had been delayed by fog.

North Korea has threated "catastrophic" retaliation in response to the drill.  It has said the exercise "will make it impossible to prevent the situation on the Korean peninsula from exploding and escape its ensuing disaster".  Its military has threatened "decisive and merciless punishment".

Seoul has put its air force on high alert and ordered fighter planes to fly missions over South Korean territory.  It has promised to deal "immediately and sternly" with any provocation from the North.

read more: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/south-korea-starts-live-fire-artillery-drill/story-e6freuyi-1225974029233




Yeonpyeong Island Residents Ordered To Move Into Air Raid Bunkers As North Korea Places Rocket Launchers Along Western Coast

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/19/2010 19:21 -0500

The din out of North Korea was a little too quiet recently. Not so much anymore. Yonhap has just reported that the residents of the infamous Yeonpyeong island, which was recently shelled by North Korea in response to a South Korea drill, and other bordering islands. have been ordered to move into air raid bunkers. This is a very rapid escalation following the earlier announcement by The Chosunilbo that North Korea has deployed rocket launchers along its west coast, in response to a live fire artillery drill which South Korea announced earlier would proceed as planned. "The North also reportedly made coastal artillery ready to fire and put some fighter jets on the west coast on standby."

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/yeonpyeong-island-residents-ordered-move-air-raid-bunkers-north-korea-places-rocket-launcher
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: Brocke on December 20, 2010, 03:52:43 pm

North Korea refrains from retaliation after South Korea artillery drill

North Korea had threatened a harsh response if South Korea went ahead with military exercises in disputed waters Monday. But it could still take action, experts say.

Seoul, South Korea; and Beijing

North Korea refrained Monday from retaliating against South Korean military exercises in disputed waters, assuaging fears that hostilities between the two neighbors were on the point of spiraling out of control.

That threat has not disappeared however, cautions one expert. Pyongyang had threatened an “unpredictable self-defense blow” if South Korea’s drills went ahead, points out Brian Myers, who teaches international relations at Dongseo University in Busan, South Korea. “So theoretically … the door is still open for them to retaliate further down the road,” he warns.

South Korean soldiers stationed on Yeonpyeong Island staged a 90-minute artillery drill on Monday afternoon, firing shells away from the North Korean mainland and into the sea, as island residents took shelter in bombproof bunkers and South Korean fighter jets flew overhead.

read more: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2010/1220/North-Korea-refrains-from-retaliation-after-South-Korea-artillery-drill
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: Brocke on December 20, 2010, 03:55:11 pm

South Koreans see North Korea's restraint as calculated

On Yeonpyeong Island and on the streets of Seoul, South Koreans say that North Korea is hoping to portray itself as a voice of reason by not responding to South Korea's artillery drills Monday.

By Bryan Kay, Contributor / December 20, 2010
Seoul, South Korea

North Korea Monday failed to follow through on its pointed threats to deliver a double dose of retaliation after the South carried out a live-fire artillery drill near the disputed sea border between the two states.

But for many relieved South Koreans, the decision not to respond was merely a bluff intended to extract concessions – and appease an unimpressed international community.

read more: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2010/1220/South-Koreans-see-North-Korea-s-restraint-as-calculated
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: ryanwv on December 21, 2010, 11:53:16 pm
There was a point in which I thought that North and South were actually going to go to war. I had not seen China that pissed off in a long while and the US Feds were not saying so much when things got really hot. In reality everyone knows China does not want a full scale war in East Asia. If South Korea goes to war with the North such action will drag Japan into the conflict. Truth be known, Japan has a massive military which it keeps pretty much in the dark as far as the world eye goes. All it would take is one rocket to hit Japan. According to Japanese law the central government cannot declare war unless Japan is directly attacked. If Japan attacks anyone China will have to fight. The South Koreans hate the North but Japan and China hate each other even more. All of that would also drag America into the conflict. East Asia would turn into a shit hole of madness not seen since WW2. North Korea really needs to learn how to get along with its neighbors. The North could shine as a nation if they would work with their neighbors a little more. That hardcore brand of Communism the North is hell bent on sticking to is just not working for them. 
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on December 22, 2010, 12:24:57 am
Another drill tomorrow here supposedly -- the "biggest live fire drill ever", or so they say.

In an area adjacent to NK (the "DMZ"/"NLL").

It's pretty hard to make the North Koreans look like a responisble nation, nevertheless...

(I think you guys will understand if I don't complete that statement under the circumstances.)

 >:(
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: Kilika on December 24, 2010, 03:47:29 am
There was a point in which I thought that North and South were actually going to go to war. I had not seen China that pissed off in a long while and the US Feds were not saying so much when things got really hot. In reality everyone knows China does not want a full scale war in East Asia. If South Korea goes to war with the North such action will drag Japan into the conflict. Truth be known, Japan has a massive military which it keeps pretty much in the dark as far as the world eye goes. All it would take is one rocket to hit Japan. According to Japanese law the central government cannot declare war unless Japan is directly attacked. If Japan attacks anyone China will have to fight. The South Koreans hate the North but Japan and China hate each other even more. All of that would also drag America into the conflict. East Asia would turn into a shit hole of madness not seen since WW2. North Korea really needs to learn how to get along with its neighbors. The North could shine as a nation if they would work with their neighbors a little more. That hardcore brand of Communism the North is hell bent on sticking to is just not working for them. 


And that is exactly what the NWO wants for all nations. Your correct I think, that extreme governments will be brought into the globalist fold, just like communist Russian had to end. Change is coming to Cuba too. And I have no doubt that the NWO will give that nutcase Chavez in Venezuela a clue too. All governments will be forced to bow to the image of the beast.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: Joseon on December 29, 2010, 04:40:54 pm

And that is exactly what the NWO wants for all nations. Your correct I think, that extreme governments will be brought into the globalist fold, just like communist Russian had to end. Change is coming to Cuba too. And I have no doubt that the NWO will give that nutcase Chavez in Venezuela a clue too. All governments will be forced to bow to the image of the beast.

Well, I think that the NWO have different plans of government for specific nations. Like in Asia, psychopathic asians like Kim Sung Il and Mao Tse Dong took Communism into another level of depravity, under the guidance of Stalin and Rockefeller/Rothschild. Because Eugenics is behind Communism. The sheep must be worked like slaves since they are garbage genes. But the good ones like Models and scientists must be properly rewarded, since they are the prized genes.

Western Oligarchs, in my opinion, have a different approach,  than the Asian communists, to ruling the lessers. Some of the techniques Westerners in-inbreds use to rule the weak are similar to the Communist Asians style also.

1. Pretend life is wonderful and the government really is a supporting and moralistically looking our for the peasants best interests.
Just that the Western lifestyle is a little bit more satisfying with TV, 4 bangers,and Commercial airplanes and Chinese made junk, Electricity.
Propaganda is important in every country around the world

2. Fabian socialism will gradually erode the prosperity of the middle classes of Europe and North America, not to North Korean levels, but maybe to the extent of Argentinians or Russians. I expect the net GDP per person to decline. But westerners will not be living like NOrth Koreans. North Koreans and Chinese don't rely on wolf' in sheep clothing. Rather they just go hard core like Communist China with one-Child policy, under the supervision and direction of the NWO like Kissinger and I think Maurice Strong.

3.Western rulers Mindlessly entertain the masses with Movies, Books, Videogames, sports, soap operas, plays, musicals. North Koreans, most CHinese, and former communist Russians don't, and didn't quite have the leisure or even the right to do entertain themselves.

4. Westerners still have religious freedom to a much larger scale and free-speech to even greater scale than Communist China or North Korea. That difference in permission of speech by the betters is pretty stark. WHere worshipping Kim Jong Il and Mao Tse Dong is a prerequisite to stay alive in that nation. 

Well there are more differences, but I'm busy.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on December 29, 2010, 04:50:24 pm
I just want to  mention that four North Korean soldiers were on the TV bragging about the shelling of Yeonpyeong-do the other day.

The saber-rattling continues on both sides.

it didn't take N. Korea long to start looking crazy and irresponsible again.  But, I hadn't though it would.

In fairness, here the rhetoric seems to be toned down as of late.

Naval drills (23) continue apace around the peninsula.  And supposedly another aircraft carrier has been dispatched as of the 27th.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: Kilika on December 29, 2010, 05:00:27 pm
How much do you think Kim the Younger is dictating? I think once the Elder dies, everything will change there. Just a hunch. Look at the changes China has made. NK has got to open up.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: Joseon on December 29, 2010, 05:07:20 pm
I think
 Kim Jong un will continue the 'continuity of the North Korean agenda' for sure. He, like his father, will listen close the communist Chinese and maybe even the Western Anglo Saxon Bankers that control much of what his country can and can not do.

North Korea seems to be one of the best eugenics experiments due to the ruthless and stubborn philosophies of Kim Il Sung and his protege and his son Kim Jong un. I do think that these Asian kings are under the influence of the CHinese and Western oligarchs. But the forceful rule of the Kim Dynasty has probably gotten the western bankers pretty satisfied in observing their most interesting, extreme experiment on an Asian specie. The question is, will North Koreans evolve, based on the premises and goal of the Communist manifesto. WIll Darwin's 'Theory' actually pan out in NOrth Korea? who really knows at this point. But I think North Korea will NOT open up until their population decreases to half of what they are today.
Title: Re: UPDATE: SKorea cancels new artillery drill on tense island!
Post by: citizenx on December 29, 2010, 05:17:14 pm
That's a lot of dead.