PrisonPlanet Forum

***THE MAIN BOARDS - Welcome to the Prison Planet Educational Forum and Library*** => Very Important Threads / Most important issues / Basic Information on the New World Order => Topic started by: Geolibertarian on May 11, 2010, 12:36:37 pm

Title: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on May 11, 2010, 12:36:37 pm
Below is the so-called "Contract From America" that Tea Party members are urged to sign (with responses by me to follow):

-------------------------------

http://www.thecontract.org/the-contract-from-america/ (http://www.thecontract.org/the-contract-from-america/)

The Contract from America

We, the undersigned, call upon those seeking to represent us in public office to sign the Contract from America and by doing so commit to support each of its agenda items, work to bring each agenda item to a vote during the first year, and pledge to advocate on behalf of individual liberty, limited government, and economic freedom.

Individual Liberty

Our moral, political, and economic liberties are inherent, not granted by our government. It is essential to the practice of these liberties that we be free from restriction over our peaceful political expression and free from excessive control over our economic choices.

Limited Government

The purpose of our government is to exercise only those limited powers that have been relinquished to it by the people, chief among these being the protection of our liberties by administering justice and ensuring our safety from threats arising inside or outside our country’s sovereign borders. When our government ventures beyond these functions and attempts to increase its power over the marketplace and the economic decisions of individuals, our liberties are diminished and the probability of corruption, internal strife, economic depression, and poverty increases.

Economic Freedom

The most powerful, proven instrument of material and social progress is the free market. The market economy, driven by the accumulated expressions of individual economic choices, is the only economic system that preserves and enhances individual liberty. Any other economic system, regardless of its intended pragmatic benefits, undermines our fundamental rights as free people.

1. Protect the Constitution

Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does. (82.03%)

2. Reject Cap & Trade

Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures. (72.20%)

3. Demand a Balanced Budget

Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)

4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform

Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words—the length of the original Constitution. (64.90%)

5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington

Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)

6. End Runaway Government Spending

Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)

7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care

Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted by state boundaries. (56.39%)

8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy

Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51%)

9. Stop the Pork

Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)

10. Stop the Tax Hikes

Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38%)

-------------------------------

And now for my response:

Quote
Our moral, political, and economic liberties are inherent, not granted by our government.

Agreed -- although, as I’m about to reveal, the above assertion is simply the first of the two times during the day when even a broken clock is right.

Quote
It is essential to the practice of these liberties that we be free from restriction over our peaceful political expression

Does that mean you’re willing to openly denounce the imposition of such restrictions at both the 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91XO3rfdDOQ) and 2008 (http://www.infowars.com/amy-goodman-and-two-democracy-now-producers-unlawfully-arrested-at-rnc/) National Republican Party conventions? Or do you only decry such restrictions when imposed by Democrats?

Quote
and free from excessive control over our economic choices.

“Excessive” as defined by who? The very banker-owned (http://www.infowars.com/top-senate-democrat-bankers-own-the-us-congress/) government that -- regardless of whether corporate-whore Democrats or corporate-whore Republicans are in charge -- has consistently imposed such “control” via prohibitively high licensing (http://www.fff.org/freedom/1096d.asp) barriers, overextended patent (http://www.progress.org/2006/pat02.htm) protection, and, in the case of alternative medicine, virtual (if not outright) criminalization (http://fdainformation.com)?

Quote
The purpose of our government is to exercise only those limited powers that have been relinquished to it by the people, chief among these being the protection of our liberties

What specifically are those liberties?

The liberty to decide for yourself what mind-altering substance (http://www.drugsense.org/mcwilliams/www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/303a.htm) you put into your own body, or the mere “liberty” to sheepishly let control-freak Republicans make that decision for you?

The liberty to inform the public why the banker-owned U.S. government’s official story (http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/anomalies.html) on 9/11 is a lie and a fraud (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=159542.msg947058#msg947058), or the mere “liberty” to mindlessly cheerlead the slaughter and torture of “brown people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMT3yewtmw)” on the altar of that official story?

The liberty to inform the public why George W. Bush (http://www.prosecutionofbush.com) and Dick Cheney (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/12/hbc-90004029) are both war criminals who belong behind bars, or the mere “liberty” to wrap everything they did in the American flag?

Or are these precisely the sort of politically incorrect questions your beloved “Patriot” Act was meant to discourage true patriots (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=173389.msg1032206#msg1032206) from ever asking in the first place?

Quote
by administering justice and ensuring our safety from threats arising inside or outside our country’s sovereign borders.

Even if that “threat” happens to be a Republican presidential administration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISOs_GXEL40) that wraps every Nazi-style police state measure it imposes in the American flag? Or is it only when Democrats are in control that you concern yourself with such a threat?

Quote
When our government ventures beyond these functions and attempts to increase its power over the marketplace and the economic decisions of individuals, our liberties are diminished and the probability of corruption, internal strife, economic depression, and poverty increases.

Republicans were in charge of the federal government as well as numerous state governments between 2000 and 2006. During that time, can you name so much as a single licensing barrier that Republicans attempted to lower or eliminate; a single overextended patent they attempted to revoke; or a single victimless crime (http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/toc.htm) law they attempted to repeal? If not, then why should any rational person regard this as anything other than the usual canned campaign rhetoric that political con artists from the Republican Party parrot every election season just to get votes?

Quote
The most powerful, proven instrument of material and social progress is the free market.

Do you include in this definition of “free market” the ridiculously fraudulent and utterly parasitic process whereby private banks extract countless billions in usurious interest (http://www.wealthmoney.org/compound-interest-8th-world/) from the economy each year in exchange for the nothing out of which they create the so-called “money (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464321382114136843)” they loan? Do you include the anti-free market process whereby bought-off politicians grant development subsidies and tax abatements to slave goods (http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/who_makes_the_stuff_you_buy/)-selling Wal-Mart (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3836296181471292925) while simultaneously denying such privileges to smaller competitors? If the honest answer to either question is "yes," then why should anyone regard your feel-good platitudes about the “free market” as anything other than a right-wing version of Obama's feel-good platitudes about “hope and change”?

Quote
The market economy, driven by the accumulated expressions of individual economic choices, is the only economic system that preserves and enhances individual liberty.

Yet bestowing privileges (i.e. unearned advantages) to select corporations -- as both major parties have done countless times over the years -- has had the effect of imposing artificial limits on our economic “choices.” Thus, in the absence of specific calls for repealing said privileges (i.e., prohibitively high licensing barriers, overextended patent protection, corporate welfare, etc.), why should anyone regard this as anything more than recycled campaign rhetoric that Republicans used to gain control of Congress in 1994 and the White House in 2000, only to expand big government across the board (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-02-federal-spending_x.htm) once safely in office?

Quote
Any other economic system, regardless of its intended pragmatic benefits, undermines our fundamental rights as free people.

Same old empty rhetoric we get from establishment Republicans every single election season.

Quote
Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does. (82.03%)

The Tenth Amendment already does this, yet that didn’t prevent the Republican-controlled Congress and White House from implementing Constitution-shredding police state expansion measures (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2659761702659115038), did it?

Quote
Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures. (72.20%)

Although a bit too sanitized for my taste, this is obviously the second time during the day when even a broken clock is right.

Quote
Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)

Whether you realize it or not, that is exactly what the financial terrorists (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.msg976255#msg976255) waging literal WAR on our economy want us to do, since this would justify the very IMF-style austerity measures (http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/fiscal_responsibility.php) that Obama is attempting to impose under the usual pretext of reducing the deficit. There are two reasons it would force crippling austerity:

1.  If the national debt were completely paid off, the money supply that was pyramided (via fractional reserve lending) on top of government debt would completely collapse, and the economy along with it!

2.  Even if we froze federal spending tomorrow, the interest on the national debt would keep right on compounding. This would merely drive that much more of a wedge between (a) the overall indebtedness of the economy (principal-plus-interest) and (b) the amount of money there is in circulation to pay it off. Thus, to drive such a wedge would be to make interest payments the primary purpose of federal tax collection.

       http://www.wealthmoney.org/articles/has-the-balanced-budget-been-misunderstood/ (http://www.wealthmoney.org/articles/has-the-balanced-budget-been-misunderstood/)

I’m sure the aforementioned terrorists are quaking in their boots at the thought of that.  ::)

Quote
Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words—the length of the original Constitution. (64.90%)

Translation: shift the tax burden (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=692#s3) even more off the rich and onto the backs of the lower and middle classes. Then we’ll be “free” to fight over what few crumbs of wealth and income remain after the top 1% (http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html) have finished appropriating (http://www.progress.org/archive/hgjr8a.htm) the vast majority of it to themselves.

Quote
Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)

Still more empty generalities that, true to Republican Party tradition, avoid calling for the outright repeal of any specific program or the abolishment of any particular agency. And even when the Republican Party does pledge to eliminate something specific, it has already proven that it will immediately break that promise once safely in office.

Case in point? The Department of “Education” (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7398714418354815608) (DoE).

The 1996 National Republican Platform called for abolishing the DoE outright, yet once the Republicans had secured control of the White House as well as both houses of Congress, not only did they do nothing to eliminate the DoE, they continued to increase its funding. And that, of course, is because the “big wealthy business interests” (as George Carlin put it (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160459.msg957633#msg957633)) who own the Republican Party want the DoE to continue its documented and increasingly obvious agenda of “deliberate dumbing down (http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com).”

Quote
Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)

And when this cap on spending forces spending cuts to be made, do you honestly expect us to believe that a Republican-controlled government will reduce spending on either imperialist wars of aggression overseas or police state expansionism here at home -- even though the Republicans did everything they could to increase those two expenditures when they were in charge? Didn’t think so.

Quote
Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted by state boundaries. (56.39%)

Does this mean you support (a) relegalizing alternative medicine (http://www.nationalhealthfreedom.org/AlertMessageToObama011309.htm) -- including medical marijuana (http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/medical.htm) -- (b) revoking overextended drug patents -- particularly those granted for “me-too (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/02/12/high_cost_for_me_too_drugs/)” drugs and for drugs developed primarily at taxpayer (http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7065) expense -- and (c) reforming medical licensing (http://www.fff.org/freedom/0194d.asp) laws so that only those health care providers who accept government subsidies are required to be state certified? Didn’t think so.

Quote
Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51%)

If you’re for increasing “competition,” does this mean you support using antitrust action to break up the oil cartel (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161441.msg959123#msg959123)? Didn’t think so.

Quote
Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)

See my previous remarks on the balanced budget amendment.

Quote
Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38%)

With regard to “capital gains,” will you at least acknowledge that these are, in many if not most cases, primarily land gains (http://wealthandwant.com/themes/Capital_Gains.html) -- i.e. increases in the publicly-created value of land -- and that economists throughout history (beginning with Adam Smith (http://www.econlib.org/library/Smith/smWN21.html#B.V, Ch.2, Of the Sources of the General or Public Revenue of the Society)) have maintained that a tax on land values (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160421.0) is unlike any other tax in the sense that it does not in any way penalize or discourage productivity? Didn’t think so.

With regard to the so-called “death” tax (read: estate (http://www.faireconomy.org/news/estate_tax_faqs) tax), will you at least acknowledge that this tax doesn’t even apply to the bottom 99% of income earners, and that you are hence revealing (however unwittingly) an obvious class bias in continually bemoaning this tax while making no mention of the payroll tax -- even though the latter falls harder on most Americans than even the individual income tax? Didn’t think so.

Unsurprisingly absent from the above "contract" are civil liberties, foreign policy, and monetary reform.

With regard to civil liberties, is this inexcusable omission on your part a veiled way of saying you support the “Patriot” Act (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EiY7AarMoI), the Homeland “Security” Act (http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul54.html), the Military Commissions Act (http://www.infowars.com/articles/alex/jones_rense_official_dictatorship.htm), and Presidential Directive 51 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSm4fGx__Cg)? Is that your idea of “protecting” the Constitution? If so, don’t be surprised if it isn’t just liberal Democrats who laugh at you!

With regard to foreign policy, is this equally inexcusable omission a veiled way of saying you support wasting nearly a trillion dollars in taxpayer money each year waging imperialist (http://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket), terroristic (http://www.counterpunch.org/chomsky01242006.html), hornets’ nest-stirring (http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html) wars of aggression -- all because you’re either too cowardly or too self-righteous to admit that the banker-owned U.S. government in which you've invested so much blind faith over the years lied to you about who orchestrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks (http://cms.ae911truth.org) and why? In light of the Republican Party’s disgraceful track record on this issue, the question practically answers itself.

And with regard to monetary reform, is this omission a veiled way of saying that (notwithstanding your obligatory lip service to the need for “auditing” conveniently unnamed “agencies”) you

(a) generally support the debt-based, privately-controlled money system (http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/ponzi.php) that has inflicted so much damage on our economy -- and which now has us on the verge of the greatest depression in U.S. history -- and

(b) are hence opposed to replacing this system with the sort of debt-free money system (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg581271#msg581271) advocated by such monetary reformers as Ellen Brown, Richard C. Cook, Byron Dale, Stephen Zarlenga, and the makers of both The Money Masters documentary and the recently-released sequel, The Secret of Oz?

If so, then -- whether you realize it or not, and whether you want to admit it or not -- you are actually helping to spread and intensify the very economic disease you laughingly presume to cure with this thoroughly discredited ideological snake-oil of yours.
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: jofortruth on May 11, 2010, 12:39:29 pm
This sounds like the influence of Newt Gingrich. Remember, he created his "Contract with America" in 1995 (I think was the year)! We know he has influence with the Tea Party TAKEOVER group, and he promoted Sarah Palin to take it over  also.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=789

 ::)
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: Dig on May 11, 2010, 12:44:49 pm
Below is the so-called "Contract From America" that Tea Party members are urged to sign (with responses by me to follow):

-------------------------------

http://www.thecontract.org/the-contract-from-america/ (http://www.thecontract.org/the-contract-from-america/)

The Contract from America

We, the undersigned, call upon those seeking to represent us in public office to sign the Contract from America and by doing so commit to support each of its agenda items, work to bring each agenda item to a vote during the first year, and pledge to advocate on behalf of individual liberty, limited government, and economic freedom.

Individual Liberty

Our moral, political, and economic liberties are inherent, not granted by our government. It is essential to the practice of these liberties that we be free from restriction over our peaceful political expression and free from excessive control over our economic choices.

Limited Government

The purpose of our government is to exercise only those limited powers that have been relinquished to it by the people, chief among these being the protection of our liberties by administering justice and ensuring our safety from threats arising inside or outside our country’s sovereign borders. When our government ventures beyond these functions and attempts to increase its power over the marketplace and the economic decisions of individuals, our liberties are diminished and the probability of corruption, internal strife, economic depression, and poverty increases.

Economic Freedom

The most powerful, proven instrument of material and social progress is the free market. The market economy, driven by the accumulated expressions of individual economic choices, is the only economic system that preserves and enhances individual liberty. Any other economic system, regardless of its intended pragmatic benefits, undermines our fundamental rights as free people.

1. Protect the Constitution

Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does. (82.03%)

2. Reject Cap & Trade

Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures. (72.20%)

3. Demand a Balanced Budget

Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)

4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform

Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words—the length of the original Constitution. (64.90%)

5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington

Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)

6. End Runaway Government Spending

Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)

7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care

Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted by state boundaries. (56.39%)

8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy

Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51%)

9. Stop the Pork

Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)

10. Stop the Tax Hikes

Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38%)

-------------------------------

And now for my response:
 
Agreed -- although, as I’m about to reveal, the above assertion is simply the first of the two times during the day when even a broken clock is right.

Does that mean you’re willing to openly denounce the imposition of such restrictions at both the 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91XO3rfdDOQ) and 2008 (http://www.infowars.com/amy-goodman-and-two-democracy-now-producers-unlawfully-arrested-at-rnc/) National Republican Party conventions? Or do you only decry such restrictions when imposed by Democrats?

“Excessive” as defined by who? The very banker-owned (http://www.infowars.com/top-senate-democrat-bankers-own-the-us-congress/) government that -- regardless of whether the corporate whore Democrats or corporate whore Republicans are in charge -- has consistently imposed such “control” via prohibitively high licensing (http://www.fff.org/freedom/1096d.asp) barriers, overextended patent (http://www.progress.org/2006/pat02.htm) protection, and, in the case of alternative medicine, virtual (if not outright) criminalization (http://fdainformation.com)?

What specifically are those liberties?

The liberty to decide for yourself what mind-altering substance (http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/303a.htm) you put into your own body, or the mere “liberty” to sheepishly let control-freak Republicans make that decision for you?

The liberty to inform the public why the banker-owned U.S. government’s official story on 9/11 is a lie and a fraud (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=159542.msg947058#msg947058), or the mere “liberty” to mindlessly cheerlead the slaughter and torture of “brown people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMT3yewtmw)” on the altar of that official story?

The liberty to inform the public why George W. Bush (http://www.prosecutionofbush.com) and Dick Cheney (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/12/hbc-90004029) are both war criminals who belong behind bars, or the mere “liberty” to wrap everything they did in the American flag?

Or are these precisely the sort of politically incorrect questions your beloved “Patriot” Act was meant to discourage true patriots (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=173389.msg1032206#msg1032206) from ever asking in the first place?

Even if that “threat” happens to be a Republican presidential administration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISOs_GXEL40) that wraps every Nazi-style police state measure it imposes in the American flag? Or is it only when Democrats are in control that you concern yourself with such a threat?

Republicans were in charge of the federal government as well as numerous state governments between 2000 and 2006. During that time, can you name so much as a single licensing barrier that Republicans attempted to lower or eliminate; a single overextended patent they attempted to revoke; or a single victimless crime (http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/toc.htm) law they attempted to repeal? If not, then why should any rational person regard this as anything other than the usual canned campaign rhetoric that political con artists from the Republican Party parrot every election season just to get votes?

Do you include in this definition of “free market” the ridiculously fraudulent and utterly parasitic process whereby private banks extract countless billions in usurious interest (http://www.wealthmoney.org/articles/Critical-Math-Flaw.html) from the economy each year in exchange for the nothing out of which they create the so-called “money (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464321382114136843)” they loan? Do you include the anti-free market process whereby bought-off politicians grant development subsidies and tax abatements to slave goods (http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/who_makes_the_stuff_you_buy/)-selling Wal-Mart (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3836296181471292925) while simultaneously denying such privileges to smaller competitors? If the honest answer to either question is "yes," then why should anyone regard your feel-good platitudes about the “free market” as anything other than a right-wing version of Obama's feel-good platitudes about “hope and change”?
 
Yet bestowing privileges (i.e. unearned advantages) to select corporations -- as both major parties have done countless times over the years -- has had the effect of imposing artificial limits on our economic “choices.” Thus, in the absence of specific calls for repealing said privileges (i.e., prohibitively high licensing barriers, overextended patent protection, corporate welfare, etc.), why should anyone regard this as anything more than recycled campaign rhetoric that Republicans used to gain control of Congress in 1994 and the White House in 2000, only to expand big government across the board (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-02-federal-spending_x.htm) once safely in office?

Same old empty rhetoric we get from establishment Republicans every single election season.

The Tenth Amendment already does this, yet that didn’t prevent the Republican-controlled Congress and White House from implementing Constitution-shredding police state expansion measures (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2659761702659115038), did it?

Although a bit too sanitized for my taste, this is obviously the second time during the day when even a broken clock is right.

Whether you realize it or not, that is exactly what the financial terrorists (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.msg976255#msg976255) waging literal WAR on our economy want us to do, since this would justify the very IMF-style austerity measures (http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/fiscal_responsibility.php) that Obama is attempting to impose under the usual pretext of reducing the deficit. There are two reasons it would force crippling austerity:

1.  If the national debt were completely paid off, the money supply that was pyramided (via fractional reserve lending) on top of government debt would completely collapse, and the economy along with it!

2.  Even if we froze federal spending tomorrow, the interest on the national debt would keep right on compounding. This would merely drive that much more of a wedge between (a) the overall indebtedness of the economy (principal-plus-interest) and (b) the amount of money there is in circulation to pay it off. Thus, to drive such a wedge would be to make interest payments the primary purpose of federal tax collection.

       http://www.wealthmoney.org/articles/Budget.html (http://www.wealthmoney.org/articles/Budget.html)

I’m sure the aforementioned terrorists are quaking in their boots at the thought of that.  ::)

Translation: shift the tax burden (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=692#s3) even more off the rich and onto the backs of the lower and middle classes. Then we’ll be “free” to fight over what few crumbs of wealth and income remain after the top 1% (http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html) have finished appropriating (http://www.progress.org/archive/hgjr8a.htm) the vast majority of it to themselves.

Still more empty generalities that, true to Republican Party tradition, avoid calling for the outright repeal of any specific program or the abolishment of any particular agency. And even when the Republican Party does pledge to eliminate something specific, it has already proven that it will immediately break that promise once safely in office.

Case in point? The Department of “Education” (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7398714418354815608) (DoE).

The 1996 National Republican Platform called for abolishing the DoE outright, yet once the Republicans had secured control of the White House as well as both houses of Congress, not only did they do nothing to eliminate the DoE, they continued to increase its funding. And that, of course, is because the “big wealthy business interests” (as George Carlin put it (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160459.msg957633#msg957633)) who own the Republican Party want the DoE to continue its documented and increasingly obvious agenda of “deliberate dumbing down (http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com).”

And when this cap on spending forces spending cuts to be made, do you honestly expect us to believe that a Republican-controlled government will reduce spending on either imperialist wars of aggression overseas or police state expansionism here at home -- even though the Republicans did everything they could to increase those two expenditures when they were in charge? Didn’t think so.

Does this mean you support (a) relegalizing alternative medicine (http://www.nationalhealthfreedom.org/AlertMessageToObama011309.htm) -- including medical marijuana (http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/medical.htm) -- (b) revoking overextended drug patents -- particularly those granted for “me-too (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/02/12/high_cost_for_me_too_drugs/)” drugs and for drugs developed primarily at taxpayer (http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7065) expense -- and (c) reforming medical licensing (http://www.fff.org/freedom/0194d.asp) laws so that only those health care providers who accept government subsidies are required to be state certified? Didn’t think so.

If you’re for increasing “competition,” does this mean you support using antitrust action to break up the oil cartel (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161441.msg959123#msg959123)? Didn’t think so.

See my previous remarks on the balanced budget amendment.

With regard to “capital gains,” will you at least acknowledge that these are, in many if not most cases, primarily land gains (http://wealthandwant.com/themes/Capital_Gains.html) -- i.e. increases in the publicly-created value of land -- and that economists throughout history (beginning with Adam Smith (http://www.econlib.org/library/Smith/smWN21.html#B.V, Ch.2, Of the Sources of the General or Public Revenue of the Society)) have maintained that a tax on land values (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160421.0) is unlike any other tax in the sense that it does not in any way penalize or discourage productivity? Didn’t think so.

With regard to the so-called “death” tax (read: estate (http://www.faireconomy.org/news/estate_tax_faqs) tax), will you at least acknowledge that this tax doesn’t even apply to the bottom 99% of income earners, and that you are hence revealing (however unwittingly) an obvious class bias in continually bemoaning this tax while making no mention of the payroll tax -- even though the latter falls harder on most Americans than even the individual income tax? Didn’t think so.

Unsurprisingly absent from the above "contract" are civil liberties, foreign policy, and monetary reform.

With regard to civil liberties, is this inexcusable omission on your part a veiled way of saying you support the “Patriot” Act (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EiY7AarMoI#lq-hq), the Homeland “Security” Act (http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2002/tst111802.htm), the Military Commissions Act (http://www.infowars.com/articles/alex/jones_rense_official_dictatorship.htm), and Presidential Directive 51 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSm4fGx__Cg)? Is that your idea of “protecting” the Constitution? If so, don’t be surprised if it isn’t just liberal Democrats who laugh at you!

With regard to foreign policy, is this equally inexcusable omission a veiled way of saying you support wasting nearly a trillion dollars in taxpayer money each year waging imperialist (http://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket), terroristic (http://www.counterpunch.org/chomsky01242006.html), hornets’ nest-stirring (http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html) wars of aggression -- all because you’re either too cowardly or too self-righteous to admit that the banker-owned U.S. government in which you've invested so much blind faith over the years lied to you about who orchestrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks (http://cms.ae911truth.org) and why? In light of the Republican Party’s disgraceful track record on this issue, the question practically answers itself.

And with regard to monetary reform, is this omission a veiled way of saying that (notwithstanding your obligatory lip service to the need for “auditing” conveniently unnamed “agencies”) you

(a) generally support the debt-based, privately-controlled money system (http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/ponzi.php) that has inflicted so much damage on our economy -- and which now has us on the verge of the greatest depression in U.S. history -- and

(b) are hence opposed to replacing this system with the sort of debt-free money system (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg581271#msg581271) advocated by such monetary reformers as Ellen Brown, Richard C. Cook, Byron Dale, Stephen Zarlenga, and the makers of both The Money Masters documentary and the recently-released sequel, The Secret of Oz?

If so, then -- whether you realize it or not, and whether you want to admit it or not -- you are actually helping to spread and intensify the very economic disease you laughingly presume to cure with this thoroughly discredited ideological snake-oil of yours.

This is not the f**king tea party, this is bullshit Bilderberg Nazi's attempt to hijack the tea party movement.

do not fall for it.

Prima Facie, it is a horrendous pathetic joke, but it does not represent the tea party movement in any way shape or form (although they wish it did). Some tea party planners push this crap and beat up Ron Paul supporters, but that is shifting as more progressives are joining the tea party movement. The movement is sporadic and decentralized. that is where the power lies.
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: Dig on May 11, 2010, 12:48:54 pm
This sounds like the influence of Newt Gingrich. Remember, he created his "Contract with America" in 1995 (I think was the year)! We know he has influence with the Tea Party TAKEOVER group, and he promoted Sarah Palin to take it over  also.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=789

 ::)

absolutely, that transhumanist globalist pig is attempting to serve up more power to bilderberg banksters with this pathetic joke.
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on May 11, 2010, 04:35:18 pm
This is not the f**king tea party, this is bullshit Bilderberg Nazi's attempt to hijack the tea party movement.

It's not the original Tea Party, no, but -- whether we like it or not -- it is now the current Tea Party as far as the vast majority of both FOX-watching "conservatives" and MSNBC-watching "liberals" are concerned.

We could complain all day long about how the original Tea Party was non-partisan, yet our efforts would prove no less futile than trying to convince the masses that the commonly-accepted definition of the word "liberal" was once quite different from what it is today.

So rather than get into a semantical turf war over what this or that political label means, I prefer to say -- "What public policy positions does the label in question currently represent in the minds of most people?" -- and to then critique those positions accordingly.

In a limited sense, it's like intellectual aikido (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aicHsMC6rxM): instead of meeting force with force, I try to use my opponent's force against him.

Quote
do not fall for it.

I haven't. But as We are Changers discovered recently, the majority of FOX-watching "conservatives" obviously have:

       http://www.prisonplanet.com/we-are-change-booted-out-of-california-tea-party-event.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/we-are-change-booted-out-of-california-tea-party-event.html)

My rebuttal of the "Contract from America" was addressed to the latter, not the former.

Quote
Prima Facie, it is a horrendous pathetic joke, but it does not represent the tea party movement in any way shape or form (although they wish it did). Some tea party planners push this crap and beat up Ron Paul supporters, but that is shifting as more progressives are joining the tea party movement. The movement is sporadic and decentralized. that is where the power lies.

I guess it depends on what part of the country one lives in, because I've seen no evidence of this "shift" where I live, nor have I seen the fruits of this shift manifest to any significant degree at any of the recent Tea Party rallies. As Webster Tarpley noted fairly recently (after attending one of these rallies himself), they appear to be composed disproportionately of "retired military" types whose primary concern seems to be protecting their share of the federal budget while denying -- in the name of "limited government" and "fiscal conservatism" -- anyone else from securing their desired share.

That's why I pefer the less cryptic and more specific term, anti-NWO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO24XmP1c5E)/pro-America (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=173389.msg1032206#msg1032206) movement -- particularly since "New World Order" is a much more politically incorrect term, since it calls direct attention to the very global fascist agenda (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13808) that the ruling elite want desperately for the masses to remain blissfully ignorant of.

But hey, whatever gets the job done.
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: Dig on May 11, 2010, 05:15:13 pm
It's not the original Tea Party, no, but -- whether we like it or not -- it is now the current Tea Party as far as the vast majority of both FOX-watching "conservatives" and MSNBC-watching "liberals" are concerned.

We could complain all day long about how the original Tea Party was non-partisan, yet our efforts would prove no less futile than trying to convince the masses that the commonly-accepted definition of the word "liberal" was once quite different from what it is today.

So rather than get into a semantical turf war over what this or that political label means, I prefer to say -- "What public policy positions does the label in question currently represent in the minds of most people?" -- and to then critique those positions accordingly.

In a limited sense, it's like intellectual aikido (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aicHsMC6rxM): instead of meeting force with force, I try to use my opponent's force against him.

I haven't. But as We are Changers discovered recently, the majority of FOX-watching "conservatives" obviously have:

       http://www.prisonplanet.com/we-are-change-booted-out-of-california-tea-party-event.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/we-are-change-booted-out-of-california-tea-party-event.html)

My rebuttal of the "Contract from America" was addressed to the latter, not the former.

I guess it depends on what part of the country one lives in, because I've seen no evidence of this "shift" where I live, nor have I seen the fruits of this shift manifest to any significant degree at any of the recent Tea Party rallies. As Webster Tarpley noted fairly recently (after attending one of these rallies himself), they appear to be composed disproportionately of "retired military" types whose primary concern seems to be protecting their share of the federal budget while denying -- in the name of "limited government" and "fiscal conservatism" -- anyone else from securing their desired share.

That's why I pefer the less cryptic and more specific term, anti-NWO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO24XmP1c5E)/pro-America (http://propagandamatrix.com/forum/index.php/topic,4874.0.html) movement -- particularly since "New World Order" is a much more politically incorrect term, since it calls direct attention to the very global fascist agenda (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13808) that the ruling elite want desperately for the masses to remain blissfully ignorant of.

But hey, whatever gets the job done.

I can't argue with a single statement, thanks for the insight.
Title: Re: Why attempted hijackers of the"Tea Party" movement have become a pathetic joke!
Post by: happyJoy on May 11, 2010, 06:41:38 pm
This here be the challenge.
Whatever you throw at the elites, they absorb it and throw it back at you.
The NWO have co-opted the media outlets since they took a bruising in the 70's.

They commercialize all forms of opposition and rebellion, & their propaganda controls the public views. We the people will have to move hard and fast to organize outside their arena.

IMHO we will have to build a street level opposition with a constitutional agenda and have as a main priority, a consensus based agenda. Perhaps with active and continuous online voting system for citizen opinion that cannot be skewed or fabricated by the MSM. 

 
 
Title: Re: Why attempted hijackers of the"Tea Party" movement have become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on May 12, 2010, 11:56:00 am
This here be the challenge.
Whatever you throw at the elites, they absorb it and throw it back at you.

That's because well-meaning dissenters and reformers have a tendency to focus too much on feel-good slogans and empty platitudes and not enough on specific policy reforms, and consequently make it unnecessarily easy for their political message to be co-opted by the ruling elite.

One of the reasons I created the following thread was to counteract that trend:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0 (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0)

It's easy to see how the elite could co-opt catch phrases about "liberty" and "freedom," but I can't imagine how they could co-opt any of the reform proposals listed in the above thread.

For instance, can you imagine Sarah Palin actually calling for the repeal of the "Patriot" Act or Military Commissions Act, or for replacing our debt-based money system with a debt-free Greenback system?
Title: Re: Why attempted hijackers of the"Tea Party" movement have become a pathetic jo
Post by: worcesteradam on May 12, 2010, 02:58:40 pm
the elite took two steps backward to take one step forward.
Their aim was to hijack that movement before it grew. They would like to hijack Ron Paul too if possible. But if they can control his support, then they can withdraw it when necessary by changing whats on Glenn Beck's teleprompt.
Its still a victory overall that they felt forced to go with Glenn Beck
Title: Re: Why attempted hijackers of the"Tea Party" movement have become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Joseon on May 12, 2010, 04:56:55 pm
This here be the challenge.
Whatever you throw at the elites, they absorb it and throw it back at you.
The NWO have co-opted the media outlets since they took a bruising in the 70's.

They commercialize all forms of opposition and rebellion, & their propaganda controls the public views. We the people will have to move hard and fast to organize outside their arena.

IMHO we will have to build a street level opposition with a constitutional agenda and have as a main priority, a consensus based agenda. Perhaps with active and continuous online voting system for citizen opinion that cannot be skewed or fabricated by the MSM. 

 
 

No we need an educated and strong willed public. How that will be accomplished, I really don't know.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on June 17, 2010, 04:34:55 pm
Yet bestowing privileges (i.e. unearned advantages) to select corporations -- as both major parties have done countless times over the years -- has had the effect of imposing artificial limits on our economic “choices.” Thus, in the absence of specific calls for repealing said privileges (i.e., prohibitively high licensing barriers, overextended patent protection, corporate welfare, etc.), why should anyone regard this as anything more than recycled campaign rhetoric that Republicans used to gain control of Congress in 1994 and the White House in 2000, only to expand big government across the board (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-02-federal-spending_x.htm) once safely in office?

Since midterm elections (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-november-6-2006/daily-show-rock----mid-term-elections) are fast approaching -- and since an alarming number of "conservative" voters have ridiculously short memories -- I thought I'd draw their attention to the following, so that they don't fall for the same Republican snake-oil (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=173389.msg1030766#msg1030766) all over again:

-------------------------------

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-02-federal-spending_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-02-federal-spending_x.htm)

Growth in federal spending unchecked

by Richard Wolf
USA TODAY
4/3/2006

WASHINGTON — Federal spending is outstripping economic growth at a rate unseen in more than half a century, provoking some conservatives to complain that government under Republican control has gotten too big.

The federal government is currently spending 20.8 cents of every $1 the economy generates, up from 18.5 cents in 2001, White House budget documents show. That's the most rapid growth during one administration since Franklin Roosevelt.

RELATED: How federal spending has climbed since 2001 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-02-federal-spending-inside_x.htm)

There are no signs that the trend is about to turn around. The House Budget Committee last week rejected a proposal that would require spending hikes to be offset by cuts in other spending or by tax increases.

This week, the House is scheduled to debate the $2.8 trillion budget for 2007, which projects an additional $3 trillion of debt in the next five years.

The Sept. 11 attacks, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Gulf Coast hurricanes account for only part of the increased spending.

Other factors: the biggest military buildup in decades, domestic spending, and the rise of benefits for the elderly, poor and disabled.

"You take anything, and we've grown it big," says Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., a leading critic of the spending spurt. "When you're in control of the presidency and both houses of Congress, there's just no stop on it. There's no brake."

Examples:

[Continued... (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-02-federal-spending_x.htm)]


http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750 (http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750)

The Grand Old Spending Party: How Republicans Became Big Spenders

by Stephen Slivinski
Cato Institute
May 3, 2005

President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is still the biggest-spending president in 30 years. His 2006 budget doesn’t cut enough spending to change his place in history, either.

Total government spending grew by 33 percent during Bush’s first term. The federal budget as a share of the economy grew from 18.5 percent of GDP on Clinton’s last day in office to 20.3 percent by the end of Bush’s first term.

Stephen Slivinski is director of budget studies at the Cato Institute.

The Republican Congress has enthusiastically assisted the budget bloat. Inflation-adjusted spending on the combined budgets of the 101 largest programs they vowed to eliminate in 1995 has grown by 27 percent.

The GOP was once effective at controlling nondefense spending. The final nondefense budgets under Clinton were a combined $57 billion smaller than what he proposed from 1996 to 2001. Under Bush, Congress passed budgets that spent a total of $91 billion more than the president requested for domestic programs. Bush signed every one of those bills during his first term. Even if Congress passes Bush’s new budget exactly as proposed, not a single cabinet-level agency will be smaller than when Bush assumed office.

[Continued... (http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750)]

-------------------------------

To all you "conservatives" and right-leaning "libertarians" out there: with the possible exception of Rand Paul (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/09/23/the-hollow-man-rand-pauls-father-complex/), either vote for your 3rd party or independent candidate of choice this November, or don't vote at all!

(The same, of course, goes for anti-war/anti-police state "liberals" and "progressives.")
Title: Republican Tea Party Organization Reports Death Threats
Post by: Geolibertarian on August 27, 2010, 11:41:30 am
http://www.infowars.com/republican-tea-party-organization-reports-death-threats/ (http://www.infowars.com/republican-tea-party-organization-reports-death-threats/)

Republican Tea Party Organization Reports Death Threats

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
August 27, 2010

Corporate media generated and whipped up hysteria and hatred directed at the Tea Party movement has resulted in death threats, according to GOP Majority Leader Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks. Adam Brandon told U.S.News & World Report (http://politics.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/08/25/tea-party-group-hit-with-death-threats) that Armey and his organization received dozens threatening and harassing phone calls and emails.

(http://static.infowars.com/2010/08/i/article-images/freedomworks.jpg)
FreedomWorks, funded in part by the neocon Richard Mellon
Scaife, is the establishment’s answer to the Libertarian Tea
Party movement.


FreedomWorks is the establishment’s answer to the grassroots Tea Party movement. Republicans Jack Kemp and Bill Bennett also work for the organization. It is funded in part by the notorious neocon foundation run by CIA asset (http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showConnection.php?id1=113&id2=434), Richard Mellon Scaife (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Sarah_Scaife_Foundation). During his career as a member of the House of Representatives, Dick Armey voted as a mainline Republican. Following his vote for the Iraq invasion, the Texas Republican admitted (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Author_Cheney_has_been_first_deputy_0916.html) he had been “bullshitted” by then vice president Dick Cheney.

Recordings played for U.S.News & World Report’s “Washington Whispers” Paul Bedard contain direct threats. “You guys better watch it,” one caller threatens. “Now, we are going to destroy and obliterate Rush [Limbaugh] and Sean Hannity,” says another. “Those two guys are dead.”

Democrats claimed they received death threats and were victims of vandalism following their votes for Obama’s health care bill. On March 24, Democrat House majority leader Steny Hoyer (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/health/policy/25health.html) said at least 10 House members had raised concerns about their personal security. The FBI and police investigated the threats, according to Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2414717420100325).

Republican whip Eric Cantor (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/cantor-accuses-democrats-of-exploiting-threats/) told reporters on March 25 that he had also been the subject of threats and that a shot was fired through a window of his campaign office in Richmond, Virginia. “It is reckless to use these incidents as media vehicles for political gain,” said Cantor, criticizing Democrats for exploiting the alleged threats and vandalism.

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn went on MSNBC on March 25 and characterized the obscene phones calls and emails as domestic terrorism. Clyburn said people are getting “signals” from Republicans on how to behave and that lawmakers need to “disown” the activity before it gets out of control. He suggested his colleagues were culpable. “If we participate in it, either from the balcony or on the floor of the House, you are aiding and abetting this kind of terrorism, really,” Clyburn said (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campaign-office-shot-overnight/).

Clyburn and Missouri Democrat Emanuel Cleaver said Tea Party activists had spit on them and hurled racial epithets (http://www.infowars.com/video-proves-tea-party-activist-did-not-spit-on-dem/) as Democrat lawmakers walked to the Capitol to cast a vote on Obama’s authoritarian health care bill. Numerous videos of the alleged assault reveal nothing of the sort occurred.

According to Douglas J. Hagmann (http://www.infowars.com/source-patriot-act-may-be-used-against-tea-party-activists/) of the Northeast Intelligence Network, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security created a watch list containing names of individuals associated with the pro-life and Tea Party movement following accusations made by Democrats. The individuals, according to Hagmann’s sources, “are considered a threat to domestic security, continuity of government operations, and to the lives of lawmakers and their families.”

Hagmann said lawmakers were “exploring the application of the Patriot Act against any right-wing individual or group that poses a danger to government operations.”

On March 30, Fox News insinuated that readers of Infowars.com were responsible for threatening lawmakers. “Hundreds of comments were posted in response to an incendiary story on infowars.com, the radical far-right Web site owned by radio host Alex Jones. The story, entitled, ‘The Cost Of Defying Obamacare: $2,250 a Month And IRS Goons Pointing Guns At Your Family,’ focused on the ‘increasing militarization of the IRS’ and its expansion of powers under the new health care law,” Jana Winter (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/30/irs-investigates-death-threats-employees-health-approval/) wrote.

Claims by Democrats and Republicans of violence add fuel to the corporate media generated campaign to portray opposition to the policies of Obama and the federal government as radical and representing a potential threat to national security.

The GOP hijacked Tea Party has reinvigorated the false right-left paradigm with its accusations of violence. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are establishment figures and are not the voice of change.

FreedomWorks, run in part by money provided by the neocon Richard Mellon Scaife, does not represent the Tea Party movement. The original Libertarian Tea Party movement was hijacked by establishment Republicans and is now a device designed to derail the movement and turn it into a cheer-leading section for the Republican party as the government prepares for the mid-term elections.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: jofortruth on August 27, 2010, 11:50:51 am
The Tea Party - Who Started it, and hijacked it!  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEyJpGpiikM


VIDEO all should see! It features Ron Paul, one of the few true Statesmen in our government!
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on August 31, 2010, 10:30:51 am
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fox-news-preying-on-the-fears-of-older-technologically-ignorant-seniors-to-co-opt-tea-party.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/fox-news-preying-on-the-fears-of-older-technologically-ignorant-seniors-to-co-opt-tea-party.html)

FOX NEWS Preying on the Fears of Older Technologically Ignorant Seniors to Co-opt Tea Party

Jason Charles
TruthAlliance.net
Tuesday, August 31, 2010

Sad but true, FOX News has successfully co-opted the entire Tea Party back under the Neo-Con controlled tent of the GOP.

With Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin’s Restore America Rally (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html) posting numbers well over the 100,000+ mark we have to analyze exactly how the “social architects” accomplished this incredible feat.

The Tea Party is largely made up of Republicans, Independents and some Democrats shown in a major study quoted by CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001743-503544.html) in April.

“More than four in 10 self-described members of the Tea Party also identify as either Independents or Democrats, according to a recently released, comprehensive survey (http://winstongroup.net/2010/04/01/behind-the-headlines-whats-driving-the-tea-party-movement/).

Yet the Tea Party’s priority appears to be fiscal conservatism, and the group by large margins trusts Republicans in Congress over Democrats to solve the country’s problems.

In a collection of three national surveys conducted by the Republican-leaning Winston Group, 57 percent of Tea Party members called themselves Republicans while 28 percent said they were Independents, and 13 percent said they were Democrats. Two-thirds of the group identified as conservative, but 26 percent said they are moderate and 8 percent called themselves liberal.”


The majority of those who first came to be associated with the Tea Party back in 2006 and earlier are people who split from the GOP after the atrocious human rights and unconstitutional actions of the Bush administration revealed their true colors as war mongering fascists. These are all people who recognize the two party system as being totally controlled opposition bringing in none other than a New World Order in place of America’s sovereignty.

This early Tea Party movement was all about ending unjust wars, stopping the North American Union, and eradicating the fraudulent institution called the Federal Reserve. They were mobilizing against such things as wire-tapping, and spying on American citizens without warrants, the encroaching police state, the economic collapse and other issues that were legitimately threatening our republic. They did this during, and against the Bush administration alongside the anti-war left.

So what happened to the Old Tea Party?

Who are all the newcomers to the Tea Party movement? How did it massively balloon in size in a matter of a couple years and is now made up of the same war mongering, Muslim hating neo-cons that the Bush admin was comprised of (http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/08/bob-inglis-tea-party-casualty)?

Easy, the answer lays in the FOX News demographics and average age of their viewing audience. Fox news viewership according to a survey conducted by Steve Sternber (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100811/media_nm/us_foxnews), places the average age of any given FOX News watcher at 65 years old.

“According to a survey released by media analyst Steve Sternberg, Fox News’ average viewer last season was aged 65, the oldest audience among fully distributed cable networks.

CNN wasn’t far behind, though — its average audience was 63. MSNBC was a perky 59. CNBC is the young turk at 52.”


The technological divide

The early Tea Party was comprised of college students and working adults who having been exposed to the internet at a very early age and the informational renaissance that it had to offer. These young people mobilized against real issues that threatened our nation. Issues like ending the Federal Reserve, warrant-less wire-tapping, unjust and endless war. Things they learned about on the internet and not on T.V. or in universities. They didn’t buy into the two-party false dialectic and actively opposed the corporate sell off of our country to the New World Order System.

This tech savvy generation translated over into the massive Ron Paul Revolution in 2008 and is still going strong, is very patient and growing in numbers, but compared to traditionally conservative Fox News watchers still a minority demographic (http://www.mediaite.com/online/fox-news-sees-profits-and-viewership-rise-cable-news-competition-doesnt/).

A renaissance has occurred underneath the radar of our nations millions of traditionally conservative seniors. Documentary films like America: Freedom to Fascism (VIDEO) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173) which explains the fraud that is the private Federal Reserve system, or the Obama Deception (VIDEO) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw) that tears apart both Bush and Obama administrations as slaves to the elite agenda of a New World Order, or 9/11 exposing films like Core of Corruption (VIDEO) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9uB64ghcq8) that methodically destroys the official story remain just out of reach because simple ignorance of basic computer skills (http://www.pewinternet.org/Reports/2004/Older-Americans-and-the-Internet.aspx).

This over 65+ demographic is traditionally computer illiterate. They still type domain names into the Google bar of their browser because URL addresses are a foreign language to them. In fact their technological skill set is really limited to emailing and flipping their cable box to Fox News in eager anticipation of Glenn Beck and Jack Baur style terrorist busting.

This technological gap in the elderly population is what has allowed FOX News to continue to shape the collective fear of an entire generation. In fact if you look at pictures of Tea Party rallies and who is in attendance a large percentage of people are sporting silvery/white hair. This is just a fact.

The commies have taken the Whitehouse

Another thing that has totally been overlooked is the constant use of the term ’socialist’, ‘communist’, ‘radical left-wing agenda’ to describe Obama. This rhetoric is purposefully preying on the sentiments of the childhood, cold war traumas of the 65+ generation. The purpose is to pit the U.S. and Israel against a very un-likely nuclear Iran, just like the nuclear stand-off with the godless communist countries of the 60’s – 80’s. The political tool of nuclear threat has been resurrected by the Bush administration and continued by the Obama administration in the guise of so called “Islamo-Fascist” nuclear threat.

We need to worry less about the failed presidency of Obama and more about whether the real controlling elite will set a nuke off in America and blame it on the Tea Partiers who are being played up as violent extremists at every turn. Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Fox News and the Republican Party have monopolized control over the Tea Party. This technological divide needs to be bridged by those of us who are associated with the old guard and can educate their Gadsden waving elders on who the real enemies are in this nation.

DVD truth documentaries play a big role in this educational process. Seniors may not be able to adjust their screen resolution from 800×600, but they do know how to operate a DVD player.

The only thing that will wake them up to the Truth that Glenn Beck lies by omission is when they see exactly what has been omitted on their very own T.V’s.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on September 01, 2010, 01:34:40 pm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fox-news-preying-on-the-fears-of-older-technologically-ignorant-seniors-to-co-opt-tea-party.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/fox-news-preying-on-the-fears-of-older-technologically-ignorant-seniors-to-co-opt-tea-party.html)

This over 65+ demographic is traditionally computer illiterate. They still type domain names into the Google bar of their browser because URL addresses are a foreign language to them. In fact their technological skill set is really limited to emailing and flipping their cable box to Fox News in eager anticipation of Glenn Beck and Jack Baur style terrorist busting.

This technological gap in the elderly population is what has allowed FOX News to continue to shape the collective fear of an entire generation.

Although in many cases this political trend among the "elderly" is indeed the result of their being "ignorant" of how to use the Internet, in all too many others it's because of arrogance on their part. They simply refuse to swallow their precious egos and admit to just how badly they've allowed themselves to be deceived, manipulated and betrayed over and over again by the very political "leaders" in whom they've invested so much blind faith over the years.

From what I've observed and experienced, it is precisely this arrogance that compels middle and upper-middle class retirees (particularly if they're former military) to avert their gaze from anything that shatters the illusions on which their delusional, comic-book worldview is based, and to rail hysterically and self-righteously at whoever committed the almighty sin of attempting to enlighten them.

No amount of computer literacy classes will make a difference with such folks (or with their brainwashed counterparts in younger age groups), because it's not merely that they "don't know" certain things, but that they don't want to know.

In fact, so blinded are they by this arrogance, that they'll mindlessly cheerlead right-wing demagogues who privately view them as no less parasitic (http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/08/25) than the "welfare recipients" that they (property rich seniors) sooo love to look down upon, and who are determined to reduce and eventually eliminate the entitlement benefits they currently take for granted. These willfully ignorant souls will literally saw off the very economic branch they're sitting on as long as the saw that's been handed to them is wrapped in the American flag.

Will the elderly Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin cultists wake up and smell the corporate fascist (http://www.hermes-press.com/fascist_capitalism.htm) Kool-Aid they've been drinking before the ruling-class puppets whom they insist on following like sheep start doing to them what they've been doing to the wage-earners (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160459.msg1064488#msg1064488) who finance their Social Security and military retirement checks?

Thus far, I've seen virtually no indication that they will. And because they are arguably the most powerful voting bloc (http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Politics/4-10-28SeniorVote.htm) in the entire country, that means they'll be dragging the rest of us right over the cliff with them!
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on September 14, 2010, 09:25:50 am
Am I the only one whose bullsh*t meter pegged upon reading the following?

-------------------------------

http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-the-tea-party-take-down-another-establishment-candidate.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-the-tea-party-take-down-another-establishment-candidate.html)

Will the Tea Party Take Down Another Establishment Candidate?

JONATHAN KARL and GREGORY SIMMONS
ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/delaware-senate-race-kamikaze-republican-tea-party/story?id=11627467)
Sept 14, 2010

In Tuesday’s Delaware primary, the tea party movement may inflict its most devastating wound yet to the Republican establishment.

With an assist from Sarah Palin, tea party activists in Delaware are trying to defeat the Republican candidate with the best chance to win Joe Biden’s old Senate seat and nominate instead a candidate Republican leaders say has no chance of winning the general election in November.

Rep. Mike Castle is considered a slam dunk to capture Joe Biden’s old Senate seat. Castle is a pro-abortion rights, pro-gun control Republican who often works with Democrats. Those traits have helped make him the most popular Republican in a state that leans heavily Democratic; Castle has twice been elected governor and was elected as Delaware’s sole representative in the House nine times.

Full article here (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/delaware-senate-race-kamikaze-republican-tea-party/story?id=11627467)

-------------------------------

Sarah Palin is herself a puppet of the corporate-owned political "establishment," so why would she "assist" anyone unless doing so served that establishment?
Title: What does "Tea Party candidate" mean, exactly? Are there any litmus test issues?
Post by: Geolibertarian on September 15, 2010, 01:15:07 pm
The following article raises some important questions that I almost never see addressed:

-------------------------------

http://www.infowars.com/anti-establishment-fervor-a-hammer-blow-to-washington-elite/ (http://www.infowars.com/anti-establishment-fervor-a-hammer-blow-to-washington-elite/)

Anti-Establishment Fervor A Hammer Blow To Washington Elite

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, September 15, 2010

(http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/september2010/150910top.jpg)

Amidst the defeat two more establishment Republicans by Tea Party candidates last night, a new Rasmussen poll shows that anti-incumbent challenger Sharron Angle is now tied with Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and stands a good chance of ousting him in November, which would represent a massive blow to the Washington elite.

Angle’s popularity is excelled by Kentucky’s Rand Paul, who has taken a commanding lead over Democrat Jack Conway (http://www.prisonplanet.com/establishment-fails-again-rand-paul-maintains-lead-over-conway.html) after trouncing establishment Republican Trey Grayson back in May.

Mirroring Paul’s success, Delaware Tea Party candidate Christine O’Donnell defeated nine-term Republican Michael Castle last night (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1312118/Tea-Party-strikes-Mainstream-Republicans-lose-primary-battles.html), despite a last minute GOP rush to help him save his seat. After the result, Republican insider Karl Rove attacked O’Donnell’s character (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tif_plMHhHg) and derided her as a “nut,” in a transparent example of how the neo-con establishment is panicked at genuinely grass-roots candidates who have not been co-opted by the Republican Party.

Meanwhile, another Tea Party-backed newcomer, Carl Paladino, easily won New York’s Republican gubernatorial race, beating establishment candidate Rick Lazio.

Given the burgeoning success of anti-establishment candidates in recent months, one wonders when the system will turn to its rigged voting machines and shady back-handers in order to counter what is increasingly looking like a peaceful revolution conducted via the ballot box.

[Continued... (http://www.infowars.com/anti-establishment-fervor-a-hammer-blow-to-washington-elite/)]

-------------------------------

What is it exactly that makes Christine O’Donnell (the candidate pictured above) a "Tea Party" or "anti-establishment" candidate?

Is it the mere fact that most people have agreed to call her that while having at best only a vague understanding of what the term actually means, or is it specific policy reforms she advocates? If the latter, then what are those policy reforms? Do her supporters even know?

And what about litmus test issues? Are there any? Can someone like Peter Schiff (http://www.infowars.com/peter-schiff-advocates-neocon-foreign-policy/), for instance, parrot establishment talking points on an issue as important as Iran (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=166935.0) yet still be considered an "anti"-establishment candidate?

These questions are vital. Why? Because the less the rank-and-file members of a political movement define that movement in terms of specific policy positions (such as the ones I advocate here (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0)), the more telegenic Judas goats and smooth-talking establishment operatives will do it for them. Tea Party cheerleaders ignore this fact at their peril.
Title: Re: What does "Tea Party candidate" mean, exactly? Are there any litmus test issues?
Post by: Geolibertarian on September 15, 2010, 03:19:00 pm
What is it exactly that makes Christine O’Donnell (the candidate pictured above) a "Tea Party" or "anti-establishment" candidate?

Is it the mere fact that most people have agreed to call her that while having at best only a vauge understanding of what the term actually means, or is it specific policy reforms she advocates? If the latter, then what are those policy reforms? Do her supporters even know?

Just so everyone knows, the reason I'm suspicious of O'Donnell is that, in the following clip, she accuses Obama of having increased federal spending across the board "except" for so-called "defense" (read: corporate-orchestrated imperialism (http://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket)):

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-npEhuweIyA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-npEhuweIyA)

And as Ron Paul himself would readily attest, that is a bald-faced lie:

-------------------------------

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16181 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16181)

The Pentagon Budget: Largest Ever and Growing

by Sara Flounders
Global Research, November 19, 2009
International Action Center - 2009-11-07

On Oct. 28, President Barack Obama signed the 2010 Defense Authorization Act, the largest military budget in U.S. history.

It is not only the world's largest military budget but is larger than the military expenditures of the whole rest of the world combined. And it is growing nonstop. The 2010 military budget--which doesn't even cover many war-related expenditures--is listed as $680 billion. In 2009 it was $651 billion and in 2000 was $280 billion. It has more than doubled in 10 years.

[Continued... (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16181)]

-------------------------------
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Dig on September 16, 2010, 07:38:29 pm
I hope people will learn from history - even 6 year old history....

The Democratic Party Infiltrated: A Personal Account
http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/alaska/the_democratic_party_infiltrated


This is what happened in the 2004 Democratic Primary in Alaska.

My wife and I were newbies to the political process, we had never been to a caucus before, never been involved in politics other than casting a vote every few years. This time we were watching closely, and we became aware that John Kerry was a Republican with a Democratic nameplate. We saw Howard Dean collect $40 million in anti-war money, then turn around and support 40,000 more troops Kerry. Whatever happened to fighting for what you believe in? How is it possible that we had a Presidential election between two pro-war candidates? Why didn't America have a real choice, ie Bush vs a Dem that would end the war?

This story outlines how the DLC stole Alaska for Kerry. Hopefully my experience will help others to be prepared to expose the status-quo stooges in their state.

1. Discourage Participation
In Alaska there was no primary vote, but instead local caucuses. In Colorado, the local caucuses were held in private homes, like mini-neighborhood parties. This seems like it would encourage participation- way to go Colorado. For some reason, Alaska's Democratic Party chose to hold their caucuses in a central location, ie we had to drive 90 miles to attend. For a population of 15,000(?) 19 people attended our caucus.

It was held on a beautiful Saturday in Spring (after a long winter, most people would not want to waste such a beautiful day indoors). The day of the caucus was on Saturday, March 20th- the first day of Spring Break, and the anniversary of the war.

As any Alaskan knows, during Spring Break there is a mass exodus south- Hawaii, Mexico, etc. Why would the Dems schedule the meeting on the first day of Spring Break, why not the week before?

2. Misdirect
The Democratic Party of Alaska repeatedly gave out the incorrect address of the caucus, telling us the event would be in the wrong town. We called several times and were told the wrong answer every time. We finally talked to another Democrat who told us the correct location, and she said, ~ "Are they still giving out that information, I've called them several times already to inform them of the correct location."

The day the Dems picked for the caucus was also the anniversary of the 1st day of the war. So we had our local "anti-war leaders" convince a hundred people or more to stay in town and hold an anti-war march. Rather than voting for the anti-war candidate, many Dems were fooled into attending yet another pointless march. (Note to Dems Everywhere: the 'anti-war leaders' in my hometown are pro-establishment stooges, are yours too?)

3. Waste Time
At the Caucus itself, all 19 of us had driven for more than an hour on this beautiful Saturday to debate the merits of Kerry/Dean/Kucinich. Rather than spend the afternoon discussing the war, health care, etc... we were told to sit down and listen to a special speaker. A candidate for the local borough (county) assembly was to give us a presentation. Ok- we're all polite so we sat down to listen... and then he went on, and on, and on.... talking about his Arby's restaurants, yadda yadda yadda. After close to 2 hrs of this bullshit, i was getting irate. Ok, so he finally finished, now there's another speaker, some lady for Tony Knowles. So we had to listen to another spiel- we already knew Tony since he was governor, but still we had to sit through another 45 minutes or so of BS. Looking back I realize this was all by design, but at the time I had no clue...

So finally it was our turn to debate... each candidate had one person stand up and speak for them. It turns out that 16 of the 19 attending were Strong Kucinich supporters (End the War, Health Care for All), but none of us got to speak for Kucinich. Instead we had another Kucinich 'supporter' stand up to speak, even though this guy wasn't in our district. He wasn't going to vote- why was he even there? So Joe stands up and talks about why everyone should vote for Kucinich- 'because they were old drinking buddies in college and he's a really good guy.' HUH?

After that we had 15 minutes to talk amongst ourselves, it was time to vote. Huh? We've been here sitting through crap for hours, but we only get 15 minutes to actually talk about the issues? Yep.

Even with all the time wasting, our caucus voted 16-3 Kucinich over Kerry. If there were a real discussion, it would've been 19-0, ie 100% to End the War.

4. The State Convention
At the State Convention it got really weird. Once again we were forced to listen to hours of speeches. There is no time to discuss the issues, just sit down and listen to one speaker after another (anyone remember the 'pig in the snake' guy?)

During one short break, I went up to the main table and asked the DLC leader Scott (?) if there would be some time to debate the issues. He said no, the schedule was tight, there's no time for that kind of thing. Huh? Again, I was a newbie, I had no idea that this whole event was staged to prevent participation and dialogue.

Finally at 4pm, it was time to vote. We're told to split up Kucinich Delegates on one side, Kerry on the other, and the 20 Undecided in the middle. We're given 15 minutes to try to convince the undecideds to vote with us.

There's Joe again, the Kucinich 'leader'- does he stand up and lead the charge to convince people to vote with us to end the war? No, he tells the Kucinich delegates to gather around and lets talk about who's going to the national convention in Boston. Huh? So we listen to him for about 10 seconds, then left to go and try to convince the others to join us and vote to end the war.

So we go over and are talking to the Undecided delegates to vote with us, End the War, Universal Health Care, etc... we've got flyers and facts and we're talking up all the reasons why Kerry is a Repub and Kucinich's policies are for real.... the Kerry people sat their silently- they had nothing. Not one of them tried to convince the Undecideds to vote for Kerry, because they really didn't know why... only that the TV told them to.

The race was literally neck and neck, and whoever won the undecided vote, won the state. So we're over there talking to people when this guy Ian stands up and says, "we've made a deal, if all the Undecideds would follow me over here" and he leads them OUT OF THE ROOM - which is strictly against the rules. (All delegates are supposed to remain in the main hall until the vote is over.)

So he leads them into a tiny room across the hall, and we're like, what are you doing people, "you can't just make a deal then vote for kerry." What was the deal? Some 18yr high school student wanted to go to Boston, and if all the Undecideds come and vote for Kerry, then she can go as one of the delegates- good deal eh?

What was really strange is I was talking to one lady from the Mountain View area of Anchorage, and she said she had to vote her conscience, for the poor kids in her neighborhood. So after outlining some key points, etc... she started walking with us towards the Kucinich side, then some other lady swoops in, puts her around the gal and says come with me to the Kerry room... and she was whisked away, seemingly against her own will. It was really bizarre- as if the Kerry lady had some of that "trust perfume" on... I know it sounds crazy, but this is what happened.

So the vote was counted. Not in public, but in secret. Kerry's supporters were in the tiny room across the hall, Kucinich supporters were in the large room. One teacher suggested to Joe (the Kucinich Leader) why not have everybody get in groups of ten- easy to count. Joe: No, no, no.... he had a hat, everyone get in a line and put in a little yellow piece of paper. But why- the teacher's idea was great let's do that. No. Then Joe counted the little pieces of paper, and went up to the stage to tell DLCer Scott our count (in secret). Then the Kerry guys came and conferred... it seemed as if they were making up the numbers to match the supposed total.

So then came the ratification of the vote- I stood up and said we should have a re-vote. What kind of democracy is it for some Kerry goon to 'make a deal' so some 18yr old can go to Boston? I suggested a re-vote. Instantly a minder came over to me and told me to pipe down, Joe came over too, 'we did our best'... No you didn't asshole.

I should have pushed the minder out of my face and continued raising good points, but instead i talked to her for a sec, and that gave Scott the opportunity he needed to say, "all in favor, aye" and that was it. Everybody started leaving for dinner.

Oh, I almost forgot, I said to the crowd, "Why did we sit here for hours of speeches and then have only 15 minutes to talk about the issues. Why can't we debate longer?" To which Scott replied, "the banquet hall is booked and we have to clear out so the Hotel can clean up." Huh? Why would the Democratic Party schedule their State Convention like this? Why did they leave so little time for discussion of the issues?

As this was all unfolding, I didn't really 'get it', but upon retrospect, I see that it was all planned. The Alaska Democratic Party has been infiltrated by status-quo goons that intentionally limited the debate in every way possible.

Even with all that, the official vote was 51%-49% Kerry over Kucinich, but if you ask me, Kucinich won hands down. There should have been a lawsuit against the Dems that broke the rules at the state party, having delegates go into a separate room, counting the vote in secret- it was a scam! If it wasn't for DLC stooges like Scott, Ian and Joe- the rightful winner of Alaska's 2004 Democratic State Convention would have been Dennis Kucinich.

Of course the national Dems have been co-opted as well. Proof of that was the Boston Convention.


Why would they have people travel thousands of miles to attend the Convention, then schedule it from 4-10pm everyday. Why did they pass out free drinks to the delegates, get them sloshed then wake them up at 8am for pointless meetings?

Did you watch the convention on C-span every day? I did. It was a sick joke. There was ZERO discussion of the issues, just one person after another talking about how great Kerry was-

At 4pm on Wednesday, right as people were filing in to the hall, with most of the Delegates still waiting in the security check line, Bill Richardson stood up and asked to approve the party platform- any objections (you could hear someone yelling in the back of the room), he says, ok- approved. That was the pro-war, Republican-Lite platform- approved with zero debate from the delegates.

Where was Kucinich and the anti-war crowd? PDA launched this same week, and they we're leading the anti-war crowd in speeches far away from the Convention center. Why weren't they trying to create a real debate inside the convention hall? What do you think?

For more on the Boston Convention, see this article from a Minnesota Delegate.
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=2305


Again, I write this hoping to help others be on the lookout for similar tactics. If they try to tell you to sit through hours of pointless speeches, tell 'em to shove it. Demand a Real Debate on the issues.
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: citizenx on September 16, 2010, 07:46:58 pm
This is not the f**king tea party, this is bullshit Bilderberg Nazi's attempt to hijack the tea party movement.

do not fall for it.

Prima Facie, it is a horrendous pathetic joke, but it does not represent the tea party movement in any way shape or form (although they wish it did). Some tea party planners push this crap and beat up Ron Paul supporters, but that is shifting as more progressives are joining the tea party movement. The movement is sporadic and decentralized. that is where the power lies.
Real ex-progressive Ron Paul supporter right here.  Pefectly willing to help some real constitutionalists take back their tea party from Republican party machine hacks like Gingrich, Rupert Murdoch, Glen Beck, Sarah Palin et. al.

Go ahead. Sign me up.

I hope you are right.

Taking back the tea party is a good idea -- worth trying at least.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Captain Koolaid on September 16, 2010, 11:52:05 pm
O.K. well, uh, at least Americans are waking up.  Hopefully a real 3rd party can emerge before the country completely goes down in flames.  I guess the Tea Party is permanently tainted and we'll have to start over with a new party.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: worcesteradam on September 17, 2010, 02:58:01 am
How about The Coffee Rally
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: ekimdrachir on September 17, 2010, 03:06:10 am
The tea party is that Sarah Palin thing she did once, right? And that Beck guy, hes a tea partier..........
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Captain Koolaid on September 17, 2010, 03:31:11 am
how bout the Prison Planet Party.  Has a nice ring to it!
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Highland on September 17, 2010, 06:39:43 am
The contract with America was 15 years ago. Republicans only seem to think back about 30 days or they just want the new hoard of republican Mommy's to pass out the corporation subsidies and give up some more freedom for supposed safety. The Constitution party is a real party the tea party is only an idea that will be totally ignored by the republicans once they get elected. 
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: birther truther tenther on September 17, 2010, 12:48:12 pm
Our biggest mistake was calling this a tea party, instead of calling it a "Ron Paul r3VOLution".
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on September 17, 2010, 02:53:22 pm
Our biggest mistake was calling this a tea party, instead of calling it a "Ron Paul r3VOLution".

I think naming it after a person would also be a mistake because of (a) the risk that it might consequently degenerate into a personality cult, and (b) the fact that not everyone who opposes such things as imperialist wars of aggression, Nazi-style police state measures and corporate fascist economic policies necessarily subscribes to the Austrian School (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuHCAXtjZ6Q) approach to economics that most Ron Paul supporters subscribe to.

This, again, is why I prefer the term, anti-NWO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO24XmP1c5E)/pro-America (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=173389.msg1032206#msg1032206) movement.

It may not be as catchy as some other terms, but it has the advantage of being both more specific and more inclusive.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Dig on September 17, 2010, 04:03:27 pm
Again, Geo hits it out of the park even before the alt news...



Take a Second Look at Christine O’Donnell
http://www.infowars.com/take-a-second-look-at-christine-odonnell/
Keith Johnson
Revolt of the Plebs
September 17, 2010

WARNING:  I’m going to be cruel.   
   
   
A Christine O’Donnell in Washington may just mean one more vote for endless war in the Middle East. Photo: Delawareguy.   
   


Christine O’Donnell’s victory in the Delaware Republican primary may not be cause for celebration.  A Christine O’Donnell in Washington may just mean one more vote for endless war in the Middle East.

This statement was sourced from her 2008 campaign website by ‘On the Issues’:

Strategy to bring troops home from Iraq: it’s called victory

“Christine has a strategy for bringing our troops home from Iraq: It’s called victory. Past mistakes should not deter our need to stabilize Iraq so we can get our troops home. We can succeed in the future, but we must accompany our efforts with the honor and respect we’ve earned as a people. We cannot leave on the enemy’s terms. We must leave on our terms.”

Our Terms?  Take a look at what imposing “our terms” on the people of Iraq has done to that nation thus far. The United States invaded Iraq under the pretext of neutralizing Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction.  In the process, the American military turned an emerging first world nation into a hellish, third world cesspit.  In the end, no weapons of mass destruction were found.  There was and will be no victory, and suggesting that America has earned respect and honor within the context of the Iraq War is an affront to the 1,366,350 slaughtered Iraqis and the 4,736 dead members of our American armed services.  Is this her idea of victory, or will that only be accomplished after we have shed even more innocent blood?

Remove the words “Tea Party” from the Christine O’Donnell equation and you may very well end up with your garden variety NeoCon patsy.  She has been on the political scene long before the Tea Party was even heard of.  In the last four years, she has made a run for the Senate seat on two previous occasions.

During the 2006 race, Ms. O’Donnell agreed with two other Republican candidates that Iran was intent on developing nuclear weapons and that their government had actually benefited from the war with Iraq due to its close ties with Iraqi Shiite leaders. She was, however, the only Republican candidate to go one step further and assert that the U.S. should consider military action against Iran. She stated “You can’t negotiate with the Devil” and also asserted that China has a “carefully thought out and strategic plan to take over America.” No, that wasn’t Sarah Palin saying those things…but it may just as well have been.  Keep in mind that ‘establishment’ incumbent Mike Castle was among those three “Republican candidates,” and even he was not ready to put his full support behind an attack on Iran.  That’s not to say that it isn’t nice to see Castle go—good riddance.  But, here is a question that I’ve posed once before:  What are we getting in return?

If this woman still embodies the kind of pro-war ideology that she spouts in her previous rhetoric—she will no doubt become a useful idiot to opportunistic war makers on Capitol Hill—who will exploit her religious beliefs to advance their imperialist agenda.  Upon her arrival in Washington, the Israeli lobby and the defense industry will routinely court her.  Give the charming, fatherly Henry Kissinger ½ hour alone with this naïve young woman, and she will be eating out of the palm of his hand and going out of her way to send your sons and daughters off to die in holy, Christian missions of conquest against the evil Muslim hordes.

Has Ms. O’Donnell changed her stance on U.S. involvement in foreign wars?  If she has, I can’t find any mention of it.  When I go to her campaign website, I am delivered to a page that asks for a donation, but no information that will help me find out where she stands on the issues.  If I put her name into a search engine, I cannot find any reference to her position on war and foreign policy other than what I have already shared.

However, I did find plenty of information concerning her passionate crusade against masturbation, gay marriage, pre-marital sex and abortion.  I’ve also learned that she has strongly supported censorship and applying Biblical principals into all levels of public policy.  But even these issues don’t help us find out what she really stands for.  As recently as last night, O’Donnell seemed to be backpedaling on some of the more controversial positions she previously held in an attempt to clean up her image, or at least come off as less of afanatical religious zealot.

According to this morning’s Washington Post:

“In her first post-primary debate against Democratic nominee Chris Coons, O’Donnell said she has matured since making controversial statements in favor of “sexual purity” and against masturbation in a 1996 MTV documentary. “I was very excited and passionate about my newfound faith,” she said about that period in her life.”

“O’Donnell said during the debate that she opposes embryonic stem cell research and abortion except if the life of the mother is threatened. But she said she would adhere to the Constitution rather than her personal beliefs if elected, and emphasized her views about taxes and the size and role of government over her opinions on social issues.”

I find this all a little too wishy-washy for my taste.  Is O’Donnell the kind of “go along to get along” politician who is taking up the Tea Party banner just so she gets into a position of power?  Fighting taxes and reducing the size of government are familiar themes that every Republican campaigns on.

I fear that Christine O’Donnell is just the latest in a series of disappointing Tea Party candidates who appear to be merely riding on the grassroots popularity of the movement.  How can you take any candidate seriously about ‘fixing the economy’ and ‘reducing the size of government’ when they support the very wars that have created the problem?  Ms. O’Donnell, like many other Tea Party candidates, seem to lack a basic understanding of how our economy works.

One of the strongest rallying cries among the Tea Party movement is to take on the Federal Reserve.  They vow to audit it or abolish it altogether.  But if you support the war effort, you have to support the Federal Reserve.  If you interfere with their counterfeiting scheme, funding for these military adventures will cease overnight. In his article “The Hidden Costs of War,” Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) demonstrated that he has a complete understanding of how this works:

“Without the Fed’s ability to create money out of thin air, our government would be severely handicapped in waging wars that do not serve our interests. The money issue and the ability of our government to wage war are intricately related. Anyone interested in curtailing wartime spending and our militarism abroad is obligated to study the monetary system, through which our government seductively and surreptitiously finances foreign adventurism without the responsibility of informing the public of its cost or collecting the revenues required to finance the effort.”

Those who are serious about ending the Fed must be just as serious about ending these wars.  Campaigning to reverse health care and opposing tax increases are just part of the package, but you can’t cherry pick which pet projects you’ll allow the Fed to unconstitutionally finance.

Sure, it’s refreshing to see the symbolic message being sent to the ‘establishment’ incumbents.  But while we can rejoice in watching longtime Republicans and Democrats losing their seats, can we really celebrate putting someone like Christine O’Donnell in their place?  I personally cannot give my endorsement to someone who I know will vote in favor of war.  Doing so would be equivalent to loading a magazine into a soldier’s rifle.  I refuse to play the ‘lesser of two evils’ card when lives are at stake.

What’s really going on here?  One must ask themselves why a virtual unknown is being given so much press.  There is no such thing as bad publicity.  Like Sarah Palin, O’Donnell is being hyped as a rogue element in the GOP, someone who will restore old-fashioned Christian values and rescue us from the fat cat Republicans that many working class folks have trouble identifying with.  In many ways, the Tea Party has become a remarkably effective recruitment tool for the GOP to attract fence sitters and disgruntled royalists who have lost faith in the establishment Republican Party.

This week, the Internet was buzzing over the pseudo-feud between O’Donnell and former Bush point man, Karl Rove.  During an interview with FOX News’ Sean Hannity, Rove said some very unflattering things about O’Donnell.

“I’ve met her. I wasn’t frankly impressed by her abilities as a candidate,” said Rove. “One thing that O’Donnell is now going to have to answer in the general election that she didn’t in the primary is her own checkered background. There were a lot of nutty things she has been saying that don’t add up,” he added.

“Why did she mislead voters about her college education? Rove asked. “How come it took nearly two decades to pay her college bills so she could get her college degree? How did she make a living?”

Many have concluded that this confirms that O’Donnell is the ‘real deal.’  After all, if Karl Rove doesn’t like her, then she must be good, right?  Rove may be evil—but he isn’t stupid.  He knows that he doesn’t enjoy a good public image.  Going out of his way to attack O’Donnell is the biggest endorsement he could give.  It gives her street cred.  Besides, look at the negative things Rove chose to harp on her about—her unpaid college bills?  This only makes her seem more ‘down to Earth’ to the average working class stiff.

Now we find Sarah Palin coming out to endorse her and chastising Karl Rove for all those nasty things he said.  Don’t you see the game here?  The co-opted segment of the Tea Party has become an internal paradigm within the GOP.  Those who consider themselves Republicans, but have soured on the Party following the disasterous public relations nightmare that was Bush/Cheney, now have an alternative to invest their hopes and dreams in.  But at the end of the day—it’s still the GOP.

Oh—and by the way—just this morning, Rove has reversed himself and is throwing his full support behind O’Donnell’s campaign.  That places him among O’Donnell’s other cheerleaders that include Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Bill O’Reilly, Michele Bachman, etc., etc. etc.

Does Ron Paul get that kind of support from the NeoCon establishment?

I rest my case.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: chris jones on September 17, 2010, 04:33:30 pm
Hi S.
    This gals stand on the war has woken me up. I'm slipping, that should have been my first priority checking this out.
     My bottom line, any and all pols  who advocate the continuation of these war are a traitor.

Ron Paul televised nationaly stated when asked about the wars, "We marched them in so we can march them out"....... I love that guy.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Dig on September 19, 2010, 01:48:00 pm
Christine O'Donnell disaster in Delaware is not a win
http://www.devvy.com/new_site/christine_odonnell_091810.html

By: Devvy
September 18, 2010

First let me say that I am and have been a vocal supporter of the tea party movement. I have said on my radio show many times and in columns, I hope the tea party movement remains independent because that is where their strength lies. Many of us feel some of the larger factions have been co-opted by neo cons like Sarah Palin who endorsed O'Donnell. The tea party movement has become a force to be reckoned with and a welcome awakening. Having said that, I am simply appalled by the hysterical reaction to the "win" by Christine O'Donnell in the primary this past Tuesday out in Delaware. Not because I don't support citizen candidates. I do 100%. All candidates have supporters and detractors, that's a given. However, with the O'Donnell win, I see sincere, well meaning people supporting a completely unqualified candidate who is in over her head.

I knew nothing about Christine O'Donnell until her "win" over Rep. Mike Castle. So, I spent quite a bit of time looking into who she is and what she stands for on the issues. Its been difficult. O'Donnell's 2008 web site is here. At least for the moment. Some of the You Tube's of her being caught in her lies have now disappeared from just two days ago while I was doing research. Her 2010 web site was a joke until the day after her win, then it simply disappeared. All of a sudden it was one page (directed by Drudge) to donate only. Donate without a lick of information? Gullible and desperate Americans across the country poured about a half million bux into her campaign account within 24 hours. They may as well have spent the money on some frivolous trinket.

When you go to her 2008 site and click on issues you are taken to her 2010 site. None of the links work. It seems so many items on O'Donnell on the Internet have been pulled:

2. O'Donnell Lies on Fox News - NewsBack

"WILMINGTON — In an appearance Thursday on Fox News' “Your World With Neil Cavuto,” perennial fringe candidate Christine O'Donnell (R-DE), falsely denied a ..."
www.delawaregop.com/NewsBack.aspx?guid=de0764ab-8469-492a-841f-6f80696b4463

Perhaps you have to be a member of Delaware GOP to read it......or, now that useful fools like Sen. John Cornyn has made nice with Ms. Christine, it's time to wipe her slate clean.

O'Donnell is a proven liar who thinks she can simply shrug off her lies like lint on her skirt. She's lied about her education and alleged previous victories. Back taxes to the IRS: Anyone can have problems with the Gestapo, but she lies about it in the most ridiculous fashion.

Her house went into foreclosure because she's either too lazy to get a real job or feels playing wanna be politician is more fun.

O'Donnell was sued by a college she attended and when questioned about it, comes up with a zinger accompanied by her annoying and silly giggling: "I think the fact that I have struggled financially is what makes me so sympathetic," O'Donnell said." Yep, a real grizzly mama in the making. One could almost forgive her 'deer in the head lights look' all the time if she just understood the cancers plaguing this nation and offers solutions, but she hasn't a clue. I know her supporters will disagree with me, but how many of them understand federal jurisdiction, treaties, the disabilities of our monetary system, what must be done and other critical issues that fall under the duties of a senator? I'm not trying to sound smug or superior, but so many Americans really don't understand issues that have taken me many years of studying and research to understand.

This site gives a factual accounting of O'Donnell's expertise in handling money matters. I don't know if O'Donnell appreciates the seriousness of what she's doing with campaign money. I ran for Congress so I know what full disclosure means and the laws about how a candidate can use campaign money. She's been smacked down many times already by the Federal Election Commission. I suspect now with more than $750,000 bux flowing into her coffers, it wouldn't surprise me to see this end up with a grand jury down the line unless someone in her campaign stops her. Since O'Donnell has no job except constantly running for office, she would be hard pressed to repay fines. Oh, wait. She will use your campaign donation! Quite frankly, what I see is a person who has learned how to game the system.

For someone who's adult life reflects nothing but financial problems and an inability to handle relatively small amounts of money, what makes anyone think she is qualified to vote on complicated budgets that run into the billions?

Not to mention inconsistencies in her stories:

"O'Donnell tells The Weekly Standard that while she does pay rent on what is technically her legal residence with campaign funds, she also has a separate permanent residence, the location of which she won't disclose "for security reasons." And, "Asked about a financial disclosure showing that O'Donnell only had $5,800 of earned income last year, O'Donnell told me that she actually made more but didn't have to and wouldn't disclose how much." [Emphasis mine]

I'm sure the IRS took note of that bothersome fact.

Mark Levin defended O'Donnell (You Tube video) saying he doesn't care about any of the above. While I agree Castle should be thrown out with the rest of the crooks, character does matter. The question I have is: How did O'Donnell end up being the only available person to run against Castle? Go to this You Tube and watch O'Donnell lie with a smile. (at 2:18 into the clip - interview on FOX with Neil Cavuto) Yes, her house was foreclosed on and was set for a sheriff's sale on August 1, 2008. O'Donnell seemingly is challenging that:

Christine Counters — Christine O'Donnell for U.S. Senate
"3 Sep 2010 ... Yet, my opponent is circulating a supposed foreclosure notice. ... also claimed that O'Donnell actually lost her home in a sheriff's sale, ..."
christine2010.com/blog/472-christine-counters/

However, like so many other sources, the link is dead. Of course, everyone else is lying! Click here to see the documents.

Yes, she has a federal tax lien against her, but in that interview with Cavuto she lies right to the camera. Does she think no one will notice? Quite frankly, I don't know how anyone with integrity could continue to work for her campaign after watching that interview.

If you think I'm being unfair, please remember that I belong to no political party. I don't live in Delaware, so I have no favorite candidate. How about the opinion of someone who did work for her?

Nominating Christine O'Donnell (DE) Could Destroy the Tea Party

"I volunteered for the O'Donnell campaign in 2008. I am not owed any money nor have I ever received payment from either the O'Donnell or Castle campaigns. Working with her for an election cycle taught me one indisputable fact: Christine O'Donnell is not deserving of ever holding elected office and her nomination will be nothing short of catastrophic to the Tea Party Movement. While Virginians may not be concerned with an election in Delaware, they absolutely should be. The implications for conservatives everywhere are enormous.


"While I have some serious concerns about Mike Castle, I realize that he is the best option for Republicans in Delaware. At least he has some record of achievement whereas O'Donnell has never held any public office at any level. It would be one thing to justify a political neophyte as a Senator if they were perhaps a savvy businessperson, but this is not the case with O'Donnell, she has struggled to make ends meet all of her adult life.

"Everything being said about her is absolutely true – from her house almost going into foreclosure to failing to graduate from Fairleigh Dickenson for payment delinquencies (then lying about it). She has failed to retain a full-time job for the last 5 years or so, she's on the brink of losing her license because of speeding tickets, and she still refuses to pay her staffers from her last campaign – including a significant amount to Davy Keegan, a member of the U.S. Navy. Running your own life into the ground is one thing, but to treat a member of our Armed Forces in such a way is disgusting.

"It is also true that she was fired from the Intercollegiate Studies Institute for attempting to steal their internal email list. She then turned around and unsuccessfully sued them, claiming sexual discrimination. She may talk the talk of a conservative but she certainly does not walk the walk. Christine is hoodwinking the American people into believing she actually cares about them, but she only cares about herself. Her delusions and dishonesty are unbecoming of any elected official at any level. Conservatives everywhere need to learn that we cannot take all candidates at face value without some proof of their dedication to the cause. Claiming to be a conservative is not enough.

"There are more crushing components in her back story that have yet to surface, but they will if she wins the GOP nomination. The Coons campaign is licking their collective chops with a smorgasbord of opposition research that hasn't yet seen the light of day. This is a warning to conservatives if you nominate O'Donnell: The national media will write off not only her but the entire Tea Party Movement as a laughing stock which could result in its ultimate demise.

"Its time to face facts, we lost the battle in Delaware by backing a candidate in O'Donnell who has conned the American people into believing she is a conservative – she is not. We need to cut our losses, nominate Mike Castle, and regroup for the next battle in November."

"Alan Moore is a conservative activist and public relations expert in Fairfax, VA. He has served as the press secretary for a 2008 Presidential campaign and presently works for Townhall.com. He is currently pursuing a master's degree in communication at George Mason University." His contact information is at the bottom of his statement.

Is he just a sour grapes person?

Ex-aide: Christine O'Donnell a 'complete fraud'

"The call  features the voice of Kristin Murray, who ran O'Donnell's 2008 Senate campaign against then-Sen. Joe Biden, and who charges that her old boss "is no conservative." "I got into politics because I believe in conservative values and wanted to make a difference. But I was shocked to learn that O'Donnell is no conservative," says Murray, according to a script obtained by POLITICO. "This is her third Senate race in five years. As O’Donnell’s manager, I found out she was living on campaign donations — using them for rent and personal expenses, while leaving her workers unpaid and piling up thousands in debt," she says. Perhaps the most biting line in the call delivered by Murray: "She wasn't concerned about conservative causes. O'Donnell just wanted to make a buck." O'Donnell insisted that it was she who ended the working relationship with Murray, not the other way around.

"But Murray says in the call that O'Donnell's less-than-noble motives are why she left the campaign, and are the reason "why I won't trust O'Donnell with my hard-earned tax dollars." In an interview, Murray said she had been reluctant to speak out about O'Donnell until she saw her campaign gaining traction and becoming a real threat to win the primary. She said she agreed to record the call only Monday, after being approached by Ross, and had complete control over the script.

"Obviously, I don't think I would be doing an ad for the state party if they fired me," she told POLITICO Tuesday afternoon. "And I'm not a big fan of Castle either; I wasn't going to be, ‘Rah-rah Castle.’ I just wanted people to know it's more about who is better on taxes. You're dealing with someone who is a complete fraud."

"Murray said she voluntarily left her position as executive director of the state party to run O'Donnell's second Senate run in June 2008, after the candidate pleaded with her three different times to sign on. She left the position two months later, after she found out O'Donnell doesn't have a college degree, had foreclosed on her home and was using the campaign debit card for personal expenses. "It just amounted to too much," she said. "The reason she's running is so she can pay her rent, pay her electricity bill. If it was popular to be really liberal now, maybe she'd do that," Murray said. Murray's call marks the second time a former O'Donnell campaign staffer has come forward in recent days to publicly rebuke the former television commentator's candidacy.

"David Keegan, a former O'Donnell aide, told The New York Times earlier this month that when he found out about O'Donnell's personal financial problems, he decided he could no longer work for her. "We are constantly trying to hold her back from spending. She was financially completely irresponsible," Keegan told the Times."

Let's talk issues

Rep. Mike Castle was her opponent. He is a RINO. Here is his record on the issues. He's taken some good positions, but 90% of his voting record is for unconstitutional spending. Castle claims to be Catholic, but he isn't. You cannot be Catholic and support the killing of unborn babies. He also supports men ("gays") who prefer bowel movement sex (sodomy). O'Donnell is Catholic and pro-life.

O'Donnell will go up against Chris Coons who is already leading in the polls. Something I found so shocking is how unfavorable O'Donnell was viewed in the State of Delaware:

"Before the primary, and especially before the primary got nasty, O'Donnell was running at about a 10% win probability. This Rasmussen poll is worse for her than that, as it puts the race at a 92/8 split for Coons. Coons leads the poll 53-42 (MoE 4). In particular, the primary has lifted O’Donnell’s Very Unfavorable rating all the way up to 38%, putting her total favorability situation below zero at 42/54/5. Coons meanwhile, having coasted in the primary, sits at 58/34/8."

O'Donnell has never served in public office before, but On the Issues does have a page for her here. Better hurry and take a look at it before any updates are made. You would think that as many years as O'Donnell has been "running" for office, she would make her position on the issues known over and over. Look at that page. The big remake is underway, but no matter how much glitz all that new campaign money can buy, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

For someone who has run for office multiple times, I have yet to read or hear anything out of her mouth but the standard Obama bashing. Seriously, while it's been painful, I've taken the time to watch videos of her at debates and on the stump. She simply avoids any serious questions and reverts to the Palin game plan of putting the blame on her opponent or Obama. Ask her about getting out of Bretton Woods, what does she think of the latest Basel III?  The deer in the head lights look will be your answer.

Why DE Republicans Should Vote For Mike Castle

"So what about the primary election going on tomorrow in Delaware? Simply, this; I'm imagining some morning in late November or early December 2010, where the night before, the US Senate, with newly sworn-in Senator Chris Coons (D-DE) - together with outgoing Senators Lincoln, Specter, Bennet, Reid, Dorgan, etc voting in favor - just passed Card Check, sending it to the President's desk for his signature.

"Be honest with yourselves; would the defeat of Mike Castle taste quite so sweet then? Which is why I - personally - am supporting Mike Castle in the DE US Senate Primary tomorrow, and I urge everyone to hold their noses and do the same. The Democrats are indeed planning a vengeful lame duck session. The winner of the DE Senate race would be seated immediately and make no mistake - we need an R in that seat.....

"Keep these three things in mind.

1. The winner of the Senate race in Delaware will be seated immediately, like the winner of the race in Illinois, Florida and West Virginia. Castle is a confirmed filibuster vote to kill an active lame-duck session for Reid, Pelosi and their acolytes to pass stuff like Card Check, Crap & Tax, raise taxes, etc. that will take until after January 2013, a new President, and filibuster proof majorities to undo.

2. To pull off the sort of upset we're hoping to see, I repeat; the quality of the candidate matters. There's a reason why Erick - who would back the underdog against all odds (and sometimes, I've thought, reason) - has washed his hands off O'Donnell. People do not see “Conservatism” vs “Liberalism” on the ballot, they see people's names and vote accordingly - the DE electorate likes the name and the people of DE like the name “Mike Castle”. Christine O'Donnell is far from the quality of candidate we need - she's no Rubio, Brown, or even Kirk.

"What we need to do is win. Not only win, but win in such a way as to give them a long moment of pause so they'll be too terrified to try and pass any more of their agenda for generations. Taking the vacated Senate seats of their President, Vice-President and Senate Majority Leader is something they cannot ignore - and I doubt it would be much comfort to them that “moderates” took their seats given the Rs behind their names.

"3. The race to replace Mike Castle in the House has the Democrat leading either of the two likely Republicans by approximately 16 points. This is the exact same electorate that will be faced with a choice between Coons and O'Donnell in the Senate race - the same electorate that is already showing that they prefer Coons to O'Donnell by 11 points and prefer Castle to Coons by a similar 11 points.

"Let's be realistic here; states do not abruptly swing from deep Blue to deep Red or vice versa in one go. The best way to ensure that DE would vote for a four-square conservative is to build up our party infrastructure and build a bench of excellent potential candidates with stuff like the Precinct Project. The GOP rank-and-file needs to start working to get combative conservatives into the party leadership and into public office in Delaware."

Back on March 16, 2009, I wrote a column titled, Now is the time to identify candidates. One would think that looking at O'Donnell in her past failed attempts to get elected, the tea party groups and concerned citizens in the State of Delaware would have looked to find a credible, intelligent, moral individual to go up against Mike Castle. Why would they settle for such a flawed, unqualified candidate who tells provable lies? What I saw in Delaware is the same thing I see every two and four years: Hold your nose and vote. They did and it will have ugly consequences.

I know how frustrated we all are about getting incumbents booted in November. However, look at the quality of candidate endorsed by the tea party movement in Delaware. It is a disaster, make no mistake about it.

The kindest thing I can say about Christine O'Donnell is that she is an empty headed bird brain.

Christine is going to get a good dose of reality in the near future because Coons and the Democrat party will play very dirty. She has, by her own lies, painted a big, fat target for them to aim at and they will. Instead of the seat (while illegal because the Seventeenth Amendment was never ratified) going to a Republican, unless Coons really messes up, he will win the election. According to politicos who call these races, that will finish off chances for a GOP controlled Senate.

Another tea party candidate who just won the GOP primary out in NY is in trouble: Carl Paladino. He has acknowledged sending emails full of porn. Bestiality with women. Racist emails. I caught a segment last night on Anderson Cooper with Paladino (which also contains more on O'Donnell and her need to live off campaign donations). If I hadn't watched it live, I wouldn't have believed Paladino said this, but he did:

"COOPER: You have a plan for the unemployed and people on welfare, and I was reading about it on your Web site today. You basically suggest renovating prisons and unused college campuses and say that those on welfare would live in these facilities voluntarily, I assume. And you say, quote, "Instead of handing out the welfare checks, we'll teach people how to earn their check. We'll teach them personal hygiene, the personal things they don't get when they come from dysfunctional homes." I mean, your critics are saying this sounds a little bit like you're saying people who receive unemployment or who are on welfare are dirty, that they need personal hygiene lessons.

"PALADINO: No, that's not the case. We're talking about a dignity corps that would help people who are disadvantaged move into the mainstream of our society. It would give them a pathway to a fulfilling life."

Then I saw his emails. WARNING: SEXUALLY EXPLICIT WITH NUDITY. Very ugly, very sad. Not to mention he did commit adultery which resulted in a child born out of wedlock.

In response to sending out such filth, Paladino responded: "I apologize to women who may have been offended," he said. "I'm not politically correct and never have been. I'm not perfect. But if the worst I ever did was send out some nonpolitically correct e-mails — my God," he added."

I take that to mean men would not be offended by such trash. I guess we shouldn't be offended either by an email he forwarded which has this caption: 'Holy sh*t. Run n*ggers run.' Yeah, that's real funny, Mr. Paladino. It's not about political correctness, it's about who you really are as a person.

His cavalier attitude seems to be on the same level as O'Donnell's about her lying. How you conduct yourself in your personal life is important because it goes to character. I took the time after watching Paladino on Cooper's show to go read his position on the issues. He has the experience of running a huge and profitable corporation in a tough, competitive environment. Well, the voters of NY will have to decide for themselves.

My friend, Jon Christian Ryter, who is a fabulous writer and very politically savvy, had this to say about that primary race out in NY:

"If I was Andrew Cuomo getting ready to fight Rick Lazio for the job as governor of New York, I'd try real hard to get the GOP nomination for someone I could beat.  All of the honest polls of likely voters showed Cuomo beating Lazio...but beating Paladino worse. Yet, Paladino won the primary.  What's wrong with that picture?  Could it be independent voters who usually vote Democrat voting for Paladino in the primary who will vote for Cuomo in the general election?  Could be?  Add to that Lazio, who has become the Conservative Party candidate for governor.  Lazio will split the conservative vote and guarantee the election of Andrew Cuomo....

"With Lazio and Paladino splitting the conservative vote, Cuomo will have a victory that will be called the minute the voting polls close on Nov. 2. In fact, we can probably call the election right now since the defeated Lazio has already slapped his saddle on a new horse for the race—the Conservative Party (which should be renamed, "the Party of Losers.") This year's crop of Conservative Party candidates seem to have more than its share of disgruntled Republicans like Lazio and Florida's Charlie Crist who apparently have decided if they can't have the candy no conservative will get it. Third party candidates are always spoilers. In every race where you have a former GOP star who goes rogue, he splits the conservative vote and elects the Democrat.

"Paladino had an upward battle to get his name on the primary ballot since he lost to Lazio at the State GOP convention earlier this year, but got on the ballot by securing signatures from 30 thousand registered Republicans. While Lazio claims he will pull votes from Cuomo in the general election, it should be noted that Paladino, the Tea Party favorite, has a history of financially backing Democrats for political office. However, I suspect that many of the registered independent voters (who can vote for either the Republican or Democratic candidate in New York's closed primaries) voted for Paladino in the primary, but will be voting for Cuomo in November.

"In fact, I'd venture a guess that Cuomo union campaign workers were on the phones talking to New York Republicans and sounding like Tea Party advocates when they suggested that Lazio was too far to the left for New York conservatives. Those same union campaign workers will be on the phone next month telling New Yorkers that Paladino is too much a right wing radical for New York. New York politics is not a whole lot different than Chicago politics. The people with position and money [a] control who gets on the ballot, and who wins the election. That's the only reason a New York crook like Harlem's US Congressman Charlie Rangel was still on the ballot and, although he should be in prison, won renomination. He will walk to an easy victory in November. Not even NY Assemblyman Adam Clayton Powell IV could snag the nomination away from the scandal-plagued Rangel. Powell should run as a third party spoiler against Rangel. That would at least make New York politics newsworthy on Nov. 2 since we already know the outcome of the gubernatorial race."

Might I offer up some sincere advice to the tea party groups around the country? First, stay independent. Don't let yourselves be led down the path to destruction by dangerous neo cons like Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and others. Second, don't be desperate. Before you endorse any candidate, you really must vet your candidate. Make sure the individual is (1) qualified and (2) a person of character and good morals.  I know, Jesus and the Bible are not on the ballot, but character counts. If people will lie and cheat the system, how honest will he/she be in office or open to deal making that hurts America? If you think someone who sends emails of hard core porn and women performing a sex act with a cow is okay, then my words fall on deaf ears.

Yes, this is probably the most important election of our lifetime. The actions of Paladino simply throw more kerosene on the fire that the tea party movement is a bunch of racists. In one of the links above, the author speaks of The Precinct Project. I went over to their web site and it is an excellent plan. As I've been saying for years: boots on the ground.

The primaries are over and we the people will have to live with the "new" Congress in January. Pollsters and pundits predict the Republicans could take up to 45 seats in the house. That still leaves 400 incumbents who will go back. The same 400 who have refused to get us out of the FED, the UN, Bretton Woods, abolish unconstitutional cabinets; the list is a mile long.

Hopefully, hundreds of bad state reps and senators will be kicked out of office in November. The epic battle will be between the states and the criminal syndicate out in DC. Make no mistake about it. If you can take the time, listen to my interview with Rep. Sam Rohrer who serves in the Pennsylvania State Legislature; click on September 15 date. Rep. Rohrer is a true statesman and he knows how serious the situation is and what's coming.
 
Links:

Anyone seeking information about GOP Senate nominee Christine O'Donnell has to look somewhere other than her official web site:

Short Fox video - A remake underway to paint her as credible, bank on it

Tea Party candidate: Questions about my personal, public finances insult voters

Town Hall Meeting w/ Christine O'Donnell in Delaware - You Tube

What in God's Name are Conservatives Supporting Christine O'Donnell For?

Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Satyagraha on September 19, 2010, 07:16:55 pm
Here is what Christine O'Donnell stands for:
(What did people base their voting decision on??)
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Christine_O%60Donnell.htm
=========================================================

Christine O`Donnell on Abortion 

Christine O`Donnell on Budget & Economy 
 
Christine O`Donnell on Civil Rights 
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Corporations
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on Crime
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on Drugs
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on Education

Christine O`Donnell on Energy & Oil
 
Christine O`Donnell on Environment 
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on Families & Children 
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Foreign Policy
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Free Trade

Christine O`Donnell on Government Reform

Christine O`Donnell on Gun Control
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Health Care

Christine O`Donnell on Homeland Security
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Immigration

Christine O`Donnell on Jobs
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Principles & Values

Christine O`Donnell on Social Security
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Tax Reform

Christine O`Donnell on Technology
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on War & Peace
     * Strategy to bring troops home from Iraq: it’s called victory. (Aug 2008)
     * Consider military action against Iran. (Sep 2006)
     * Stay in Iraq until its government is stable. (Sep 2006)

Christine O`Donnell on Welfare & Poverty
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Highland on September 20, 2010, 07:16:44 am
Here is what Christine O'Donnell stands for:
(What did people base their voting decision on??)
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Christine_O%60Donnell.htm
=========================================================

Christine O`Donnell on Abortion 
    * Deal With Delaware: I will always vote in favor of life. (May 2008)
    * Pledges to always vote in favor of life. (Aug 2006)

Christine O`Donnell on Budget & Economy 
    * Pledges to vote against all earmarks & pork barrel spending. (Aug 2006)
    * Demand a Balanced Budget amendment. (Jul 2010)
    * Limit federal spending growth to per-capita inflation rate. (Jul 2010)
 
Christine O`Donnell on Civil Rights 
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Corporations
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on Crime
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on Drugs
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on Education
    * Federal funding provides better continuity. (Aug 2008)

Christine O`Donnell on Energy & Oil
    * Increase oil refinery capacity; drill offshore for oil. (Aug 2008)
    * Build more oil refineries to reduce gas prices. (Aug 2008)
    * Cap-and-trade has no impact on global temperatures. (Jul 2010)
    * Explore proven energy reserves & keep energy prices low. (Jul 2010)
 
Christine O`Donnell on Environment 
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on Families & Children 
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Foreign Policy
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Free Trade
    * No global taxes to the UN. (Aug 2008)

Christine O`Donnell on Government Reform
    * Deal With Delaware: I will limit myself to two terms. (May 2008)
    * Pledges only 2 terms, so decisions not based on keeping seat. (Aug 2006)
    * Identify constitutionality in every new congressional bill. (Jul 2010)
    * Audit federal agencies, to reform or eliminate them. (Jul 2010)
    * Moratorium on all earmarks until budget is balanced. (Jul 2010)

Christine O`Donnell on Gun Control
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Health Care
    * Defund, repeal, & replace federal care with free market. (Jul 2010)

Christine O`Donnell on Homeland Security
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Immigration
    * Employer penalties for hiring illegal aliens. (Aug 2008)
    * Make English America’s ONE official language. (Aug 2008)

Christine O`Donnell on Jobs
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Principles & Values
    * Bases campaign on “Deal with Delaware”. (Aug 2006)

Christine O`Donnell on Social Security
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Christine O`Donnell on Tax Reform
    * Deal With Delaware: I will never vote to increase taxes. (May 2008)
    * Pledges to never increase taxes. (Aug 2006)
    * Adopt a single-rate tax system. (Jul 2010)
    * Repeal tax hikes in capital gains and death taxes. (Jul 2010)

Christine O`Donnell on Technology
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
 
Christine O`Donnell on War & Peace
     * Strategy to bring troops home from Iraq: it’s called victory. (Aug 2008)
     * Consider military action against Iran. (Sep 2006)
     * Stay in Iraq until its government is stable. (Sep 2006)

Christine O`Donnell on Welfare & Poverty
* No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.


" I will always vote in favor of life. (May 2008)"

Great, a vote for life is not a crazed suicidal stance however I would like to have the idea of (war) victory more clarified. What are we fighting (occupying) for and why do republican politicians demand that Americans police and social engineer manipulate the world?
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: chris jones on September 20, 2010, 09:35:53 am
" I will always vote in favor of life. (May 2008)"
Great, a vote for life is not a crazed suicidal stance however I would like to have the idea of (war) victory more clarified. What are we fighting (occupying) for and why do republican politicians demand that Americans police and social engineer manipulate the world?
hELO HIGHLAND.
Nice job on the details...
        Kinda paradoxical, she votes for life, but insists on war?
I have to wonder, will the powers allow the transition, once in office will they get behind the newly elected or will they do everything in their power to destroy them and then of course blame them for the tragedy..
In hindsight,,Oby was a lesson for us, for how long has he blame Bush in order to convince us of his sincerity.
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: Vashman on September 20, 2010, 05:54:13 pm
Real ex-progressive Ron Paul supporter right here.  Pefectly willing to help some real constitutionalists take back their tea party from Republican party machine hacks like Gingrich, Rupert Murdoch, Glen Beck, Sarah Palin et. al.

Go ahead. Sign me up.

I hope you are right.

Taking back the tea party is a good idea -- worth trying at least.



The problem with the Tea Party is the problem with any political movement. It always starts with a really good idea but when that idea spreads and more people join the movement the idea begins to break down. People that feel the same way may not interpret that idea the same exact way and so variations begin to pop up and distort the original message.

Group Think really sucks and solves nothing. Informing the people might have more of an effect.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: citizenx on September 20, 2010, 06:01:45 pm
Well, OK, but if you can't take back the Tea Party, taking back the country might prove an even more difficult challenge (massive understatement-type irony here).

Think about it.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: chris jones on September 20, 2010, 06:58:16 pm
CNN tonight carried a reveiw of the tea party and its principles, well guess what, ya you guessed it, they are playing the religion card, the appearence was that it is a Christian revival, the moral majority.
They also stated that a good portion  of the members were Bush fans.
The last interveiw with two woman was that the sole purpose of the tea party and its origins were to deal with the fiscal crisis.
Why did I turn back on my telly??
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: Dig on September 20, 2010, 07:07:09 pm


The problem with the Tea Party is the problem with any political movement. It always starts with a really good idea but when that idea spreads and more people join the movement the idea begins to break down. People that feel the same way may not interpret that idea the same exact way and so variations begin to pop up and distort the original message.

Group Think really sucks and solves nothing. Informing the people might have more of an effect.

Actually, that is the exact opposite of what happens to a movement like this. Unless of course $Billions if not $Trillions have been spent by Soros, Murdoch, Rothschild, Rockefeller to hijack and obfuscate the tea party movement as written in their own documents from CIA Psyops to Club of Rome statements.

They even have CFR/Heritage/AEI meetings where they openly discuss all of the ways to disrupt the tea party movement.

It was not naturally distorted...

it was attacked, by the elite, because they are shitting in their pants at the awakening going on.
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: citizenx on September 20, 2010, 07:18:52 pm
Actually, that is the exact opposite of what happens to a movement like this. Unless of course $Billions if not $Trillions have been spent by Soros, Murdoch, Rothschild, Rockefeller to hijack and obfuscate the tea party movement as written in their own documents from CIA Psyops to Club of Rome statements.
Koch brother, too, IMO.  But exactly.  Obfuscation from the outside (Soros) and co-optation (Murdoch, the Koch Bros.) on the inside.

Clearly the interests of the elite have been piqued.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Highland on September 21, 2010, 10:01:07 am
hELO HIGHLAND.
Nice job on the details...
        Kinda paradoxical, she votes for life, but insists on war?
I have to wonder, will the powers allow the transition, once in office will they get behind the newly elected or will they do everything in their power to destroy them and then of course blame them for the tragedy..
In hindsight,,Oby was a lesson for us, for how long has he blame Bush in order to convince us of his sincerity.
Why, why, why...... Delilah?  http://www.rncwomen.com/
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: DireWolf on September 21, 2010, 10:20:42 am
It is very unfortunate that whenever an idea takes root which will restore our Republic it becomes overtaken from within. The lure of finances to further ones cause is a gem which is difficult to resist, but as with all "gifts" strings seem to be attached, thus the resultant control.

You cannot make a deal with the Devil and expect him to keep his word.

Money from organizations who want something in return should never be accepted. The compromise of ones principals eventually spells defeat.

Many of us vote third party even though our friends and family say we wasted that same vote because that candidate couldn't possibly win. To vote ones conscience or stand on ones principals is a victory in and of itself.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on September 21, 2010, 11:32:09 am
Many of us vote third party even though our friends and family say we wasted that same vote because that candidate couldn't possibly win.

The people who mindlessly parrot the "wasted vote" mantra are the very ones destroying this nation with their "lesser-of-two-evils" voting:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150 (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150)
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: birther truther tenther on September 21, 2010, 12:07:44 pm
The people who mindlessly parrot the "wasted vote" mantra are the very ones destroying this nation with their "lesser-of-two-evils" voting:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150 (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150)

In my State (AZ) we have a Senate Race of McCain VS Glassman.

Either establishment wh*re is a "waste of Vote" so I have NO CHOICE but to vote for the Libertarian third party candidate.

I support David Nolan.  i tell all AZ voters that Glassman is a "waste of vote" and mcCain is obviously a "waste of vote", So give your vote to the third party, regardless if they win or not.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Kilgore Trout on September 21, 2010, 04:35:54 pm
As long as Sara Palin is involved forget it. A whole bunch political activism a whole lot too late. Let's not wait for a black president next time ....eh? That way you won't make the "truth" movement look like a bunch of hillbilly racists.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Overcast on September 21, 2010, 07:55:03 pm
They seen a movement that was gaining steam.

The applied the 10,000 year old strategy of 'divide and conquer'. Now half the tea party are nothing but GOP sheep.
Title: Re: What does "Tea Party candidate" mean, exactly? Are there any litmus test issues?
Post by: iclozm on September 21, 2010, 08:31:02 pm
Hi free. We watched as the tea party was infiltrated, yes, depressing at minimum.
           To add yet another bit of bad news, this gal made a statement about the war, she stated:
It’s called victory. Past mistakes should not deter our need to stabilize Iraq so we can get our troops home. We can succeed in the future, but we must accompany our efforts with the honor and respect we’ve earned as a people. We cannot leave on the enemy’s terms. We must leave on our terms.”
       My take is that is  pro war, and my bottom line is simple, if a politician is for the war it goes to follow they are NWO suklings.

I agree. NWO written all over that.

She also says regarding security:

"Believes terrorism is an act of war requiring the full force of our intelligence and military resources rather than granting terrorists precious Constitutional rights and outsourcing our foreign policy to the U.N."

Pro DHS. Pro CIA. Call a person a terrorist they get no Constitutional rights? Or did I read that wrong?

Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: chris jones on September 22, 2010, 08:39:01 am
The people who mindlessly parrot the "wasted vote" mantra are the very ones destroying this nation with their "lesser-of-two-evils" voting:
       [
Hi Geo... In regards to the lesser of two evils voting, pray tell, what would you suggest as a solution?
             Without any doubt whatsoever your point  has been established.
             We are aware the NWO and its minions are devoted to the collapse of this nation, it is evident with their attack within the tea party for one example.
             I have to say, on a postive note, this is the first time in many years I have seen the regime take notice of the citizenry. The exposure of the Americans distrust, it is in their faces that the people are Pizzed, & the world to is paying attention.   In all sincerity I ask you what would be a alternative? I also believe that members on this site were well aware the NWO suklings would be dedicated in their quest infiltrate the movement.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: citizenx on September 22, 2010, 08:59:40 am
RP in 2012.  If he's not on the ballot, I'm either going to write him in or burn my ballot.

I haven't quite decided.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: worcesteradam on September 22, 2010, 09:31:46 am
no such thing as a wasted vote
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on September 22, 2010, 12:09:17 pm
Hi Geo... In regards to the lesser of two evils voting, pray tell, what would you suggest as a solution?

You must have missed it, because when it comes to the issue of voting, I addressed that very question earlier in this thread:

To all you "conservatives" and right-leaning "libertarians" out there: with the arguable exception of Rand Paul, either vote for your 3rd party or independent candidate of choice this November, or don't vote at all!

(The same, of course, goes for anti-war/anti-police state "liberals" and "progressives.")

The first step to getting what you want is to stop voting for more of what you don't want (which is all "lesser evil voters" ever do).

But that alone isn't enough.

If you're truly interested in "solutions," then simply re-read the following:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0 (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0)
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on September 22, 2010, 12:18:29 pm
no such thing as a wasted vote

Nonsense. If you passionately oppose policies A, B and C and strongly support policy reforms X, Y and Z, yet vote for a candidate who supports policies A, B and C and opposes policy reforms X, Y and Z (all because he waved a diversionary wedge issue like gay marriage or politically-incorrect religious buildings at you), then -- in terms of having your views represented, which is supposedly the whole point of voting to begin with -- you have indeed "wasted" your vote.

Not only that, by voting for the very things you complain about most, you have made yourself part of the very problem you profess to oppose.

If you vote for more of what you don't want, then what rightful business do you even have to complain when you wind up getting what you voted for?

It absolutely amazes me that so many people who are smart enough to know better have to have all this explained to them in the first place.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Guns Equal Freedom on September 22, 2010, 02:39:05 pm
no such thing as a wasted vote

True, but not voting is also not wasting your opinion on what is right for The Country.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Guns Equal Freedom on September 22, 2010, 02:46:19 pm
Yep, I could totally see The Conservatives trying and "hijack The Tea-Party", there are a lot of Libertarians in The Tea-Party, and while some of them may have Conservative Ideas, they aren't Conservatives, and just because The Conservatives want to wedge themselves in to The Tea-Party, The Communist Progressive Liberals see this, and call "The Tea-Party all racist", that pisses off True Libertarians the most.

Also, The Tea-Party started with Libertarians, Conservatives, and Liberals pissed off with what was going on in The Country with The Bush Administration in 2004, they forget how many Liberals are in The Tea-Party. That pisses The Liberals off in The Tea-Party when The Communist Progressive Liberal call "The Tea-Party Racist".

Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Highland on September 23, 2010, 07:29:13 am
Nonsense. If you passionately oppose policies A, B and C and strongly support policy reforms X, Y and Z, yet vote for a candidate who supports policies A, B and C and opposes policy reforms X, Y and Z (all because he waved a diversionary wedge issue like gay marriage or politically-incorrect religious buildings at you), then -- in terms of having your views represented, which is supposedly the whole point of voting to begin with -- you have indeed "wasted" your vote.

Not only that, by voting for the very things you complain about most, you have made yourself part of the very problem you profess to oppose.

If you vote for more of what you don't want, then what rightful business do you even have to complain when you wind up getting what you voted for?

It absolutely amazes me that so many people who are smart enough to know better have to have all this explained to them in the first place.
Republican candidates are making shaky claims at best of their support for policy reforms X, Y and Z and seem to favor some real Nazi crap policies A, B and C when they get into the positions of power.
 This was a popular routine on all star wrestling. Wrestler A would sucker punch wrestler B etc. but when wrestler B finally recovered from the daze wrestler A would make deceitful false claims of newly found good behavior.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: chris jones on September 23, 2010, 10:14:47 am
You must have missed it, because when it comes to the issue of voting, I addressed that very question earlier in this thread:
Geo, I didn't miss it, idealogicaly these options mentioned are winners. OK, being realistic that would infer that the people have a voice? Do you beleive the voice of the people is heard, that a representaive democracy exists?
Geo, how many years have we been on this site, never have I disgreed with you posts, your a sharp guy and dedicated, this time I do have a different take.  Regardless of the fact you or others may consider me cynical or radical, I sincerely beleive these party lines are on the same channel despite the rhetoric, that a segment of our elected officials and agencys are infected, plainly put the traitors are on the inside and they are backed by the the richest and most powerfull elitists on this earth who also command super corporations inner workings. Geo, the people are pushing back, for me that alone is an indication a wake up call is taking place, in this big picture I beleive it to be evident despite the facts you have mentioned.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Overcast on September 23, 2010, 05:34:39 pm
They really need to rename it too... to 'The Former Grand ol' Party'.

We should refer to them as such - the FGOP.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: citizenx on September 23, 2010, 06:05:15 pm
PFKAR?

Party Formerly Known as "republican"?

If things are rigged so RP can't win the nomination, I'm outta there.

These attacks on the chairman seem like just that, too.  He's been doing a good job of trying to keep things fair IMO.

I won't give up on it yet though I'll wait for the Presidential primaries.

Go, Ron, go.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Highland on September 24, 2010, 09:43:10 am
PFKAR?

Party Formerly Known as "republican"?

If things are rigged so RP can't win the nomination, I'm outta there.

These attacks on the chairman seem like just that, too.  He's been doing a good job of trying to keep things fair IMO.

I won't give up on it yet though I'll wait for the Presidential primaries.

Go, Ron, go.
Republicans are just continuing to follow their normal socialistic shuck and jive traits. Nothing new under the sun. Republicans burnt down half the country in supposed opposition to private slavery at their birth however I do not see any of them speaking out about China state run slavery as American jobs are outsourced, aside from RP who has reported that various republican leadership has actually taken up some sort of strange Trotsky plan. The republicans never did have the early American type of unalienable individual rights plan-party platform that has been put together by the constitution party.
Title: Sarah Palin: The Next Teleprompter Reader in the White House?
Post by: Geolibertarian on October 12, 2010, 01:23:18 pm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/sarah-palin-the-next-teleprompter-reader-in-the-white-house.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/sarah-palin-the-next-teleprompter-reader-in-the-white-house.html)

Sarah Palin: The Next Teleprompter Reader in the White House?

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
October 12, 2010

It looks like the establishment is grooming Tea Party Sarah for a run. She says as much in the Newsmax interview below.

I know. Most people think she does not have a snowball’s chance in Hades of making it to the Oval Office. But then who’d ever thunk George W. Bush would warm a seat there for eight long years?

Sarah Palin’s media ascent is a highly orchestrated affair. Her placement as the titular head of the hijacked Tea Party was accomplished by establishment operatives. There was nothing grassroots about it. She’s a Judas goat leading the faithful down the primrose path to world government and forever war. It is truly amazing more folks do not see this. It reminds me of that famous quip by Wilhelm Reich who said the people can always be counted on to worship the worst sort of tyrants and dictators. They adore their Hitlers and Stalins.

Of course, not all people in the Tea Party support Palin. But come November 2012 they may vote for her anyway. The elite can always count on the lesser of two evils shell game. Palin comes off as less “socialist” than Barry Obama. Her script has all the right patriot cues. It does not matter that she is a neocon. Socialism, tax cuts, big government. Sarah was carefully trained. She knows the catch phrases and talking points.

In the video, Palin tells us what to look forward to in the unlikely event she is selected to pretend she speaks for the American people. The possibility of mass murder in Iran is still “on the table.” Her neocon handlers have provided Sarah with the right talking points.

[Continued... (http://www.prisonplanet.com/sarah-palin-the-next-teleprompter-reader-in-the-white-house.html)]
Title: Re: Has the Tea Party movement been hijacked by the banker-owned Republican Party?
Post by: Protean on October 12, 2010, 01:37:28 pm
Yep, let's roll out the CIA Eye Candy: Sarah Palin and promote The Republican Elephant!
The idiots who believe in their TVs will vote for them!---"hey wait a minute, somethings slapping my ass!"
 ::)

Bill Hicks on Government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhjA0XNJlAs

(http://www.nndb.com/people/670/000022604/bill-hicks.jpg)
Title: Re: Has the Tea Party movement been hijacked by the banker-owned Republican Party?
Post by: TonkaTim on October 12, 2010, 02:04:48 pm
The upside to the tea party... a loose infrastructure is in place.

The downside... acceptance of the NeoCon agenda by the mainstream.

The Truth movement is not working hard enough to expose the NeoCon agenda.

But...


Once the republicans take power in the house & maybe the senate it may become easier to expose the NeoCon agenda, though is will take a very vocal minority to expose when they push globalist policies.


I target "conservatives" to wake up. One of the ways I do it, I show how globalism is ultimate big government & therefore NOT conservative.
Title: Re: Has the Tea Party movement been hijacked by the banker-owned Republican Party?
Post by: Geolibertarian on October 12, 2010, 05:55:36 pm
Once the republicans take power in the house & maybe the senate it may become easier to expose the NeoCon agenda,

News flash: the "neocon agenda" was exposed (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718) years ago when the Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. That was precisely how Obama got elected in the first place: his public relations experts, knowing that most people were fed up with the neocons, portrayed him to the masses as an anti-neocon candidate.

It is therefore the height of absurdity to suggest or imply that conservatives and right-leaning libertarians should resort yet again to "lesser evil voting (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150)" in the name of discrediting an already-discredited agenda.
Title: Re: Has the Tea Party movement been hijacked by the banker-owned Republican Party?
Post by: TonkaTim on October 12, 2010, 06:58:22 pm
News flash: the "neocon agenda" was exposed (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718) years ago when the Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. That was precisely how Obama got elected in the first place: his public relations experts, knowing that most people were fed up with the neocons, portrayed him to the masses as an anti-neocon candidate.

It is therefore the height of absurdity to suggest or imply that conservatives and right-leaning libertarians should resort yet again to "lesser evil voting (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150)" in the name of discrediting an already-discredited agenda.


I'm not promoting "lesser evil voting". How'd you draw that conclusion?

I'm stating political reality in regards to the tea party movement. Since we are all pretty much in agreement that the tea party movement has been hijacked by the establishment (neocons). We also know they will be voting in neocon sympathetic candidates.

As far as those of us who are aware.. already understood the dangers of the neocons, unfortunately the majority of the average salt of the earth voters do not. Exposing something is more than just understanding the facts. It is communicating the facts in a way the majority understand it.

Do we really have to restate the obvious amongst ourselves?
Title: Re: Has the Tea Party movement been hijacked by the banker-owned Republican Party?
Post by: citizenx on October 12, 2010, 06:58:58 pm
Lest we forget, "neocons" were firmly in charge of foreign policy during at least the first part of the last Republican administration, and arguably in charge of large swaths of domestic policy as well.

Arguably, their policies are still in place and being carried out under Obama and were still being carried out under Bush's second term when they were supposedly "out of power".

It is certainly a "gray area" at least.

A return to a Republican congress is hardly a guarantee that the neocons won't simply have more power and influence again -- and that may well be an understatement.

That having been said, I do still look forward to at least divided government as a small blessing at this point -- a respite.

We could, of course, do even better as Geolibertarian suggests.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: pac522 on October 20, 2010, 08:36:44 am
It's not the original Tea Party, no, but -- whether we like it or not -- it is now the current Tea Party as far as the vast majority of both FOX-watching "conservatives" and MSNBC-watching "liberals" are concerned.

We could complain all day long about how the original Tea Party was non-partisan, yet our efforts would prove no less futile than trying to convince the masses that the commonly-accepted definition of the word "liberal" was once quite different from what it is today.

So rather than get into a semantical turf war over what this or that political label means, I prefer to say -- "What public policy positions does the label in question currently represent in the minds of most people?" -- and to then critique those positions accordingly.


If I'm having a discussion about the Tea Party and I ask if that person, no matter which side of the political fence they're on, knows where the party originated from and most will say Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, I tell them it came from Ron Paul and the anti-war movement, to go read Ron Paul's book, Revolution A Manifesto and then come back and we can have an intelligent conversation, discussion or debate.
Title: Tea Party ‘founder’: Palin, Gingrich a ‘joke’
Post by: Geolibertarian on October 21, 2010, 12:12:14 pm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tea-party-%e2%80%98founder%e2%80%99-palin-gingrich-a-%e2%80%98joke%e2%80%99.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/tea-party-%e2%80%98founder%e2%80%99-palin-gingrich-a-%e2%80%98joke%e2%80%99.html)

Tea Party ‘founder’: Palin, Gingrich a ‘joke’

Daniel Tencer
Raw Story (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/tea-party-founder-slams-tea-party/)
Oct 21, 2010

A financial blogger and ex-CEO credited with being one of the original “founders” of the Tea Party has come out against the movement, saying it has been hijacked by the very people it was protesting and is now obsessed with “guns, gays and God.”

In a “message” to the Tea Party Wednesday, Karl Denninger declared (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2222649) that he “ought to sue” anyone who uses the Tea Party name “for defamation.”

“Yeah, that’s a joke,” he writes. “But so are you. All of you. Especially Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, and douchebag groups such as the ‘Tea Party Patriots.’”

Denninger writes: “Tea Party my ass. This was nothing other than the Republican Party stealing the anger of a population that was fed up with the Republican Party’s own theft of their tax money at gunpoint to bail out the robbers of Wall Street and fraudulently redirecting it back toward electing the very people who stole all the ****ing money!”

Denninger runs Market Ticker (http://market-ticker.org), a financially-focused blog that has been strongly opposed to bank bailouts and has railed against excessive government spending. He founded the group FedUpUSA (http://fedupusa.org/about-us/#Who) in early 2008, shortly after the collapse of investment bank Bear Stearns.

Full article here (http://)
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on October 21, 2010, 05:04:54 pm
http://www.believeinamerica.com/index.php
http://www.constitutionparty.org
 
(https://secure.giftwrapplus.org/cpnc/DonorImages/Email/logo.png)

Constitution Party Promotional Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_SobkISNrY

Remember folks the TEA Party isn't on any state ballot !!!

Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: James Madison on October 21, 2010, 06:42:09 pm
I agree with everything being said here, but the arguement I get is If I vote for X candidate and you vote for Y candidate your vote is literally nullifying my vote.

The total votes don't really matter... only the number of votes greater than that of the other candidates matter. If you vote for a 3rd party long shot, (candidate A) who agrees with you 95% of the time as appose to candidate B, who agrees with you 65% of the time but has a better shot of wining, than you technically voted NOT to nullify one of candidate C's votes, which essentially is you voting for candidate C.

 See all of the 3rd party candidates votes are going to be nullified. They wont count. You voting for A and not B didn't take a vote from C. Instead you took a vote from B and wasted your vote for A cause candidate A even knew he wasn't going to win.

All this said..... this applies only in a general race.... In a primary you should support that with whom you agree with most. if he/she doesn't win then you have to take steps to better get your points across to why your candidate is the best to represent you.... the general election isn't the forum to support the little known, hardly backed 3rd party long shot.

How would 3rd party candidates votes be nullified?

I guess my question is should a third party candidate be backed in a primary?
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: pac522 on October 21, 2010, 07:50:59 pm
From The Washington Post Rag:


A Tea Party of populist posers


By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, October 20, 2010
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/19/AR2010101906085.html

On the morning of Oct. 14, a cyber-insurgency caused servers to crash at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

The culprits, however, weren't attacking the chamber; they were well-meaning citizens who overwhelmed the big-business lobbying group with a sudden wave of online contributions. It was one of the more extraordinary events in the annals of American populism: the common man voluntarily giving money to make the rich richer.

These donors to the cause of the Fortune 500 were motivated by a radio appeal from the de facto leader of the Tea Party movement, Glenn Beck, who told them: "Put your money where your mouth is. If you have a dollar, please go to . . . the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and donate today." Chamber members, he said, "are our parents. They're our grandparents. They are us."

They are? Listed as members of the chamber's board are representatives from Pfizer, ConocoPhillips, Lockheed Martin, JPMorgan Chase, Dow Chemical, Ken Starr's old law and lobbying firm, and Rolls-Royce North America. Nothing says grass-roots insurgency quite like Rolls-Royce -- and nothing says populist revolt quite like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. In describing the big-business group as "us," Beck (annual revenue: $32 million) provided an unintended moment of clarity into the power behind the Tea Party movement. These aren't peasants with pitchforks; these are plutocrats with payrolls.

There is genuine populist anger out there. But the angry have been deceived and exploited by posers who belong to the same class of "elites" and "insiders" that the Tea Party movement supposedly deplores. Americans who want to stick it to the man are instead sending money to the man.

Consider the candidates on the ballot next month who are getting Tea Party support. In the Connecticut Senate race, there's Linda McMahon, who with her husband has a billion-dollar pro-wrestling empire. The challenger to Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold in Wisconsin, Ron Johnson, is a millionaire manufacturing executive. The former head of Gateway computers, Rick Snyder, is spending generously from his fortune to win the Michigan governor's race.

In New York, the Republican gubernatorial candidate is developer Carl Paladino, with a net worth put at $150 million. And Rick Scott, running for governor in Florida, has a net worth of $219 million from his career as a health-care executive. Then there's California, where the Republican Senate nominee is former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina and the gubernatorial candidate is former e-Bay boss Meg Whitman.

Democrats have their phony populists, too. Billionaire Jeff Greene, who cashed in on subprime mortgages, made an unsuccessful attempt at the U.S. Senate nomination in Florida. But more often this year, it's the Democrats who are defending themselves against the "elite" allegation.

"The elite's fear and loathing of the tea party movement is rooted in the recognition that the real change is only now coming," writes Tony Blankley, the conservative commentator who exempts himself from the elite label even though he worked for the speaker of the House and now toils for a prominent PR firm. The Tea Party, he wrote, will "constrain the elite's economic and cultural hegemony."

Oh? Who will do this constraining of the elite's hegemony? Why, people such as the Tea Party's Senate candidate from Alaska, Joe Miller (Yale Law School); and from Kentucky, Rand Paul (Duke Medical School), and from Colorado, Ken Buck (Princeton University).

And who will be helping these anti-elite elites get into office? Well, there's FreedomWorks, a Tea Party outfit run by Dick Armey, the former Republican lawmaker whose last job was with a big lobbying firm. His deputy at FreedomWorks is Matt Kibbe, who worked for none other than the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

There's also the Tea Party Express, the creation of longtime Republican consultant Sal Russo. A colleague at Russo's consulting firm pitched the Tea Party Express idea as a way to boost the company's bottom line. According to an internal e-mail intercepted by the New York Times, it came from a "desire to give a boost to our PAC and position us as a growing force/leading force."

The guy who put together the Tea Party "Contract From America" previously worked on Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign. Another Tea Party group, Americans for Prosperity, has been lavishly funded by the billionaire Koch brothers.

A movement of the plutocrats, by the political professionals and for the powerful: Now that's something Tea Partyers should be mad about.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: James Madison on October 21, 2010, 08:14:41 pm
From The Washington Post Rag:


A Tea Party of populist posers


By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, October 20, 2010
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/19/AR2010101906085.html

On the morning of Oct. 14, a cyber-insurgency caused servers to crash at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

The culprits, however, weren't attacking the chamber; they were well-meaning citizens who overwhelmed the big-business lobbying group with a sudden wave of online contributions. It was one of the more extraordinary events in the annals of American populism: the common man voluntarily giving money to make the rich richer.

These donors to the cause of the Fortune 500 were motivated by a radio appeal from the de facto leader of the Tea Party movement, Glenn Beck, who told them: "Put your money where your mouth is. If you have a dollar, please go to . . . the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and donate today." Chamber members, he said, "are our parents. They're our grandparents. They are us."

They are? Listed as members of the chamber's board are representatives from Pfizer, ConocoPhillips, Lockheed Martin, JPMorgan Chase, Dow Chemical, Ken Starr's old law and lobbying firm, and Rolls-Royce North America. Nothing says grass-roots insurgency quite like Rolls-Royce -- and nothing says populist revolt quite like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. In describing the big-business group as "us," Beck (annual revenue: $32 million) provided an unintended moment of clarity into the power behind the Tea Party movement. These aren't peasants with pitchforks; these are plutocrats with payrolls.

There is genuine populist anger out there. But the angry have been deceived and exploited by posers who belong to the same class of "elites" and "insiders" that the Tea Party movement supposedly deplores. Americans who want to stick it to the man are instead sending money to the man.

Consider the candidates on the ballot next month who are getting Tea Party support. In the Connecticut Senate race, there's Linda McMahon, who with her husband has a billion-dollar pro-wrestling empire. The challenger to Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold in Wisconsin, Ron Johnson, is a millionaire manufacturing executive. The former head of Gateway computers, Rick Snyder, is spending generously from his fortune to win the Michigan governor's race.

In New York, the Republican gubernatorial candidate is developer Carl Paladino, with a net worth put at $150 million. And Rick Scott, running for governor in Florida, has a net worth of $219 million from his career as a health-care executive. Then there's California, where the Republican Senate nominee is former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina and the gubernatorial candidate is former e-Bay boss Meg Whitman.

Democrats have their phony populists, too. Billionaire Jeff Greene, who cashed in on subprime mortgages, made an unsuccessful attempt at the U.S. Senate nomination in Florida. But more often this year, it's the Democrats who are defending themselves against the "elite" allegation.

"The elite's fear and loathing of the tea party movement is rooted in the recognition that the real change is only now coming," writes Tony Blankley, the conservative commentator who exempts himself from the elite label even though he worked for the speaker of the House and now toils for a prominent PR firm. The Tea Party, he wrote, will "constrain the elite's economic and cultural hegemony."

Oh? Who will do this constraining of the elite's hegemony? Why, people such as the Tea Party's Senate candidate from Alaska, Joe Miller (Yale Law School); and from Kentucky, Rand Paul (Duke Medical School), and from Colorado, Ken Buck (Princeton University).

And who will be helping these anti-elite elites get into office? Well, there's FreedomWorks, a Tea Party outfit run by Dick Armey, the former Republican lawmaker whose last job was with a big lobbying firm. His deputy at FreedomWorks is Matt Kibbe, who worked for none other than the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

There's also the Tea Party Express, the creation of longtime Republican consultant Sal Russo. A colleague at Russo's consulting firm pitched the Tea Party Express idea as a way to boost the company's bottom line. According to an internal e-mail intercepted by the New York Times, it came from a "desire to give a boost to our PAC and position us as a growing force/leading force."

The guy who put together the Tea Party "Contract From America" previously worked on Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign. Another Tea Party group, Americans for Prosperity, has been lavishly funded by the billionaire Koch brothers.

A movement of the plutocrats, by the political professionals and for the powerful: Now that's something Tea Partyers should be mad about.

Wow great article! nice find!
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: V115 on October 21, 2010, 10:53:51 pm
I had a lot of hope for the Tea Party when they first started getting rolling.  I think that they're no better than the other 2 groups of d-bags in the R and D party now.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: jofortruth on October 25, 2010, 08:42:14 am
Look what Newt Gingrich is doing: (If anyone suckers into voting for this guy, they are nuts. He is CFR lapdog Globalist)    ::)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304354104575568730326784138.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond

Quote
The tea-party phenomenon is forcing possible Republican presidential candidates in 2012 to make early and potentially high-risk strategic gambles over how to harness the movement.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is traveling the country to build alliances with local tea-party activists in key presidential primary and caucus states.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: freedom_commonsense on October 25, 2010, 09:43:26 am
I agree with everything being said here, but the arguement I get is If I vote for X candidate and you vote for Y candidate your vote is literally nullifying my vote.

The total votes don't really matter... only the number of votes greater than that of the other candidates matter. If you vote for a 3rd party long shot, (candidate A) who agrees with you 95% of the time as appose to candidate B, who agrees with you 65% of the time but has a better shot of wining, than you technically voted NOT to nullify one of candidate C's votes, which essentially is you voting for candidate C.

 See all of the 3rd party candidates votes are going to be nullified. They wont count. You voting for A and not B didn't take a vote from C. Instead you took a vote from B and wasted your vote for A cause candidate A even knew he wasn't going to win.

All this said..... this applies only in a general race.... In a primary you should support that with whom you agree with most. if he/she doesn't win then you have to take steps to better get your points across to why your candidate is the best to represent you.... the general election isn't the forum to support the little known, hardly backed 3rd party long shot.

How would 3rd party candidates votes be nullified?

I guess my question is should a third party candidate be backed in a primary?

Ever heard of proportional representation? That would help fix the problem of "wasted votes".
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: ekimdrachir on October 27, 2010, 02:23:24 am
Is the tea party the modern conservative movement? Or something new altogether?
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on October 27, 2010, 12:45:01 pm
Is the tea party the modern conservative movement? Or something new altogether?

It's the pro-war/pro-police state/pro-debt money (http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/ponzi.php) Republican Party ostensibly wrapped in the flag of "liberty."

It didn't start out that way, but that's what it's turned into.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on October 27, 2010, 01:45:31 pm
The Globalists are going to keep up with these wolf-in-sheep's clothing camdidates... HOPE & CHANGE/TEA PARTIERS etc. until Americans get tired of being battered constituents and start voting in 3rd party candidates.

Don't tell me it can't be done cuz there have been a record amount of Libertarian candidates who got elected for local positions all across the country in 2008.

PLUS:


CP candidate elected!

From the CPID:

The Constitution Party of Idaho now has one man in office in an elected position! Randy Patterson had been talking about running for mayor for about a year and was the only man who "applied" for the job. When he signed up to run, the current Mayor decided he didn't really have the time to give the job that it needed. He was also in charge of the local airport and needed to get it moved to a new location. So, he decided to quit early. The city council met and talked about one of their own members filling in until the election, but since it was uncontested, they simply decided to have Randy be the acting mayor until the election. So he will be the acting mayor until he is sworn in as mayor. Carrie, ID is a town of 1200 people in Blaine County, one of the most liberal counties in Idaho.

Great Job, Randy! We applaud you as the first member of the Party in office!

Randy hopes, while in office, to help the citizens better understand the proper role of government and the Constitution. He hopes to make sure that in his city, government funds are not being used in an improper manner.


I hate to say this but the TEA Parties are just going to have to elect their "TEA" candidate and see just how much or how little of a Globalist traitor they end up being.

Even the C4L groups are starting to distance themselves from the TEA-Baggers.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: trailhound on November 07, 2010, 11:16:46 am
Great thread Geo thanks for all your efforts.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: worcesteradam on November 07, 2010, 02:46:36 pm
Its important to begin a fightback

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=191033.msg1133617#msg1133617
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: hoodia on November 07, 2010, 02:49:22 pm
Sometimes the people dont really understand the politican
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on November 08, 2010, 04:46:31 pm
You know folks I just don't understand why Americans love to be disappointed in politics when everything else that disappoints they don't support and it fails.

The XFL, LIKE COLA, Phone Company monopolies, the Yugo car.

Yet the Republicans and Democrats can constantly fail and yet people revote them in again and again.

Unreal  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Americans truly prove their stupidity to the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Ruth on November 08, 2010, 05:10:28 pm
Yet the Republicans and Democrats can constantly fail and yet people revote them in again and again.

Oh no, the people have no say.  Voting is rigged and the outcome is completely controlled.  Not just in America either.

Unreal  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep.

Americans truly prove their stupidity to the rest of the world.

There's a lot of stupidity out there, totalitarianism (fascism) thrives on it.  The thing that really 'gets' me is that people think that the SYSTEM will actually make a difference and that individual politicians can make a difference.  The truth is, if they are capable of making a difference they won't be ALLOWED to.  Its that simple.  How much time, money and emotional investment is WASTED on canditates that don't have a chance or on canditates who are utterly useless?  Now, THATs pretty stupid and its not going to change until people wake up to the fact that they've been had.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on November 09, 2010, 02:09:36 pm
Americans can vote in a 3rd party if they wanted to.  It is just the state of mind of the average American voter is so clueless on many issues.  The danger to America's freedom is not conservative, liberal, libertarian or independent radio it is the ignorant shmuck that doesn't pay any attention to politics until election day.  Then they use stupid criteria to vote with.  Like who they want to have a beer with, who is the G-Q-ist looking, how their daddy or mommy voted back in the 20th Century, or based on a campaign photo's vanity or whether their clothes match or something stupid like that.

We know how the Globalists rig elections but getting the average apolitical schmuck to do more than just read a news article just before an election... this is what will be America's downfall.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Wicked Jester on February 02, 2011, 01:46:38 am
I have come to the conclusion that unless we put our politicians on an island or in a house together with cameras and a film crew where one gets voted out every week, America will remain stupid about politics. Just look at this [email protected]#t! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reality_television_programs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reality_television_programs)
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: citizenx on February 02, 2011, 01:59:31 am
I have come to the conclusion that unless we put our politicians on an island or in a house together with cameras and a film crew where one gets voted out every week, America will remain stupid about politics. Just look at this [email protected]#t! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reality_television_programs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reality_television_programs)

Except they don't get to vote themselves off -- we do.

But I like where you're goin with that.

Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on February 03, 2011, 02:28:36 pm
I agree with everything being said here, but the arguement I get is If I vote for X candidate and you vote for Y candidate your vote is literally nullifying my vote.

The total votes don't really matter... only the number of votes greater than that of the other candidates matter. If you vote for a 3rd party long shot, (candidate A) who agrees with you 95% of the time as appose to candidate B, who agrees with you 65% of the time but has a better shot of wining, than you technically voted NOT to nullify one of candidate C's votes, which essentially is you voting for candidate C.

 See all of the 3rd party candidates votes are going to be nullified. They wont count. You voting for A and not B didn't take a vote from C. Instead you took a vote from B and wasted your vote for A cause candidate A even knew he wasn't going to win.

All this said..... this applies only in a general race.... In a primary you should support that with whom you agree with most. if he/she doesn't win then you have to take steps to better get your points across to why your candidate is the best to represent you.... the general election isn't the forum to support the little known, hardly backed 3rd party long shot.

How would 3rd party candidates votes be nullified?

I guess my question is should a third party candidate be backed in a primary?

You make valid points, however what if everyone in America knew that both main parties are Globalist in nature ?

If it was more widespread and known that you had 2 Kang and Kodos candidates then a 3rd party candidate would win.  Just ask Jesse Ventura.   ;)
Title: Kucinich challenges tea party to stand up for civil liberties
Post by: Geolibertarian on February 10, 2011, 12:22:29 pm
http://www.infowars.com/kucinich-challenges-tea-party-to-stand-up-for-civil-liberties/ (http://www.infowars.com/kucinich-challenges-tea-party-to-stand-up-for-civil-liberties/)

Kucinich challenges tea party to stand up for civil liberties

Sahil Kapur
Raw Story (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/kucinich-challenges-tea-party-stand-civil-liberties/)
February 9, 2011

WASHINGTON – The House is set to take up a measure this week renewing key provisions of the PATRIOT Act that expire Feb. 28.

Liberal Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) issued a challenge to tea party supporters and lawmakers in the new Congress: time to show you’re serious about liberty.

“The 112th Congress began with a historic reading of the U.S. Constitution,” Kucinich said in a statement. “Will anyone subscribe to the First and Fourth Amendments tomorrow when the PATRIOT Act is up for a vote? I am hopeful that members of the Tea Party who came to Congress to defend the Constitution will join me in challenging the reauthorization.”

Republicans won back control of the House by a large margin in November, thriving on the energy of the tea party movement, which fretted that Democrats were undermining freedom in the United States. Republican lawmakers across the country frequently proffer their commitment to the tea party’s self-styled ideals of liberty and freedom.

“Will tea party members defend the Constitution or capitulate on PATRIOT Act extension?” Kucinich’s statement added.

Read full article (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/kucinich-challenges-tea-party-stand-civil-liberties/)
Title: Tea Party Caucus Leader Bachmann Votes for PATRIOT Act
Post by: Geolibertarian on February 15, 2011, 11:24:46 am
http://www.thecontract.org/the-contract-from-america/ (http://www.thecontract.org/the-contract-from-america/)

Unsurprisingly absent from the above "contract" are civil liberties, foreign policy, and monetary reform.

With regard to civil liberties, is this inexcusable omission on your part a veiled way of saying you support the “Patriot” Act (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EiY7AarMoI), the Homeland “Security” Act (http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul54.html), the Military Commissions Act (http://www.infowars.com/articles/alex/jones_rense_official_dictatorship.htm), and Presidential Directive 51 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSm4fGx__Cg)? Is that your idea of “protecting” the Constitution?

It sure didn't take long for the newly-elected Republicans to answer my question, did it?

------------------------------

http://www.prisonplanet.com/tea-party-caucus-leader-bachmann-votes-for-patriot-act.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/tea-party-caucus-leader-bachmann-votes-for-patriot-act.html)

Tea Party Caucus Leader Bachmann Votes for PATRIOT Act

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
February 15, 2011

Now that establishment Republicans have managed to steer the Tea Party into the political Borg Hive and run off the real patriots, it is time to get the neocon total war agenda back on track.

(http://static.infowars.com/2011/02/i/article-images/bachmann.jpg)
Rep. Michele Bachmann: Just another tool for the neocon mass murder agenda.

Minnesota’s Michele Bachmann, like Alaska’s Sarah Palin, likes to pretend she is at the center of the Tea Party movement. She talks loud and long about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Last week Bachmann voted for an extension of the Constitution-busting PATRIOT Act.

“Today I voted for a temporary extension of three legal authorities in the Patriot Act,” Bachmann wrote on her Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=133787733353740&id=7658849357) on February 8. “This vote was not for a full reauthorization of the Patriot Act. As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I look forward to briefings and reports from our intelligence community that will help us develop longer term solutions as we protect our nation against international terrorism.”

“Today’s vote was for a ten-month extension of three provisions that would have expired later this month,” she posted on her House page (http://bachmann.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=224094). “These provisions maintain the flexibility that our intelligence community needs to monitor terror suspects and protect our country against international terrorism. As a mother of five and a foster mother to 23 children, I voted for these authorities so that our laws keep pace with the evolving threats posed by terrorists.”

As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, it is fair to assume Ms. Bachmann is a tool for the CIA and the Pentagon and buys into their phony war on manufactured terror.

But then she always was a dupe for the neocons. Michelle Bachmann was so enamored with the war criminal George W. Bush, she felt compelled to hug and kiss him after his State of the Dis-functional Union teleprompter speech a few years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJepxPPBok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJepxPPBok) (Michele Bachmann: You take my breath away, Mr. President!)

[Continued... (http://www.prisonplanet.com/tea-party-caucus-leader-bachmann-votes-for-patriot-act.html)]

------------------------------

But as I so often point out, those Republicans didn't elect themselves.

So once again: thanks a bunch, lesser evil voters (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150)!  ::)
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on February 15, 2011, 12:05:20 pm
http://www.believeinamerica.com/index.php
http://www.constitutionparty.org
 
(https://secure.giftwrapplus.org/cpnc/DonorImages/Email/logo.png)

Constitution Party Promotional Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_SobkISNrY

Help these guys in the local elections.  Remember Federalism means concurrent powers  LOCAL IS WHERE IT IS AT !!!!!!!!

The National government can get out of control so the Founding Fathers made it where the states and local control can block any evil national agenda.
Title: Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act
Post by: Geolibertarian on February 17, 2011, 12:08:41 pm
http://www.infowars.com/betrayed-tea-party-politicians-vote-for-patriot-act/ (http://www.infowars.com/betrayed-tea-party-politicians-vote-for-patriot-act/)

Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act

The American Dream (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/betrayed-tea-party-politicians-vote-to-renew-the-patriot-act-as-america-is-slowly-transformed-into-a-big-brother-police-state-worse-than-george-orwells-1984)
February 17, 2011

For a moment, imagine that you are awakened one night by a heavily-armed team of federal agents dressed in all black breaking into your home.  As you confront them, they hand you a piece of paper that says that your son has been identified as a “terrorist” and that they are there to take him away.  They pull your son out of bed, they throw him on the floor and the use a taser on him repeatedly.  Then they handcuff him and haul him away without telling you a thing about where they are taking him.  Your son suddenly has no rights because the Patriot Act supersedes the U.S. Constitution.  That’s right – because your son has been identified as a “terrorist” because of something that he has said on the Internet he no longer has any constitutional rights.  Your underage son is held indefinitely and is subjected to “enhanced interrogation” because he has been identified as a “threat”.  You are not able to get your son back for years even though it turns out that he is completely and totally innocent.  If you think that such a thing cannot happen to you then you are a fool, because this kind of thing is happening over and over across the United States and it is all legal because of the Patriot Act.

America is rapidly turning into a horrible Big Brother police state and most of our politicians are fully supporting this transformation.  In fact, the U.S. House of Representatives gave us quite a Valentine’s Day gift the other day when it voted to once again extend provisions of the Patriot Act that allow for domestic surveillance of American citizens, wire tapping of American citizens and warrantless searches of the homes of American citizens.

What was perhaps most disappointing was that a large number of “Tea Party politicians” cast votes in favor of renewing the Patriot Act provisions.

The majority of Americans were absolutely disgusted when the Bush administration instituted the Patriot Act and many other police state measures and they voted for Barack Obama hoping for something different.

Well, it turns out that Barack Obama has been even worse.

Have you been to an airport lately?  Yeah, those “naked body scanners” and “enhanced pat-downs” are a lot of fun, aren’t they?

Many Americans voted for Tea Party candidates during the last election hoping that they would be willing to stand up for liberty and freedom.

Well, it turns out that many of them caved when it came time to vote on the extension of Patriot Act provisions.

So is there anyone out there that we can vote for that will stand up for liberty and freedom?

The truth is that this is not a conservative issue and it is not a liberal issue.

This is an American issue.

But doesn’t the Patriot Act keep us safe from terrorism?

No.

Just the other day Dr. Vahid Majidi, the FBI’s assistant director in charge of the FBI’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate, admitted that even with all of our “security measures” the chance that the U.S. will be hit a weapon of mass destruction is 100 percent (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/zawahiri-weapons-mass-destruction/2011/02/14/id/386055?s=al&promo_code=BAC8-1)….


But even if the Patriot Act could keep us “safer”, is that any reason for us to live the rest of our lives as “cattle” in a Big Brother police state that is becoming more like George Orwell’s 1984 every single day?

Are we willing to forever renounce being “the land of the free and the home of the brave” just so that we can feel a bit more secure?

The truth is that the U.S. government is not really protecting us anyway.  Our border with Mexico is wide open (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/is-illegal-immigration-destroying-the-southwest-united-states-17-immigration-facts-that-very-few-people-are-talking-about) and millions of people have been pouring across it unchecked.  It would be ridiculously easy for any potential “terrorists” to smuggle dangerous weapons into this country.

So please don’t try to tell me that the U.S. government is actually serious about national security.  Until the U.S. government is willing to do something about the border they should not be asking the American people to give up a single ounce of liberty or freedom for the sake of “security”.

But instead of securing the border and doing other practical things that would actually keep this country safer, our government has become absolutely obsessed (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/smoking-in-the-park-banned-ticketed-for-cussing-in-class-and-14-other-examples-of-how-big-brother-is-systematically-ripping-our-liberties-and-freedoms-away) with watching us, tracking us, listening to us, “assessing” us and controlling us.

In the process, the America that we all once loved is rapidly being destroyed.  Because of laws like the Patriot Act, our country now more closely resembles East Germany during the Cold War than the nation that our founding fathers originally established.

[Continued... (http://www.infowars.com/betrayed-tea-party-politicians-vote-for-patriot-act/)]
Title: Re: Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act
Post by: Dok on February 17, 2011, 12:11:09 pm

Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act


Time to vote them out, and give the next set a try, and maybe the new people will catch on. Just keep voting in new people everytime.
Title: Re: Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act
Post by: Geolibertarian on February 17, 2011, 12:23:49 pm
Time to vote them out, and give the next set a try, and maybe the new people will catch on. Just keep voting in new people everytime.

Unfortunately, for the vast majority of the electorate, voting in "new" people always means voting in one or the other of the two banker-owned (http://www.infowars.com/top-senate-democrat-bankers-own-the-us-congress/) major parties that jointly created this mess in the first place.

That's called doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

(http://wipeoutmarketing.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Definition-of-Insanity.jpg)

Until and unless a critical mass of us bring an end to the literal insanity of "lesser evil voting (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150)," the Nazification (http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm) of our society will continue unabated.

That's why our unified message to the masses must be:

"From now on, either vote for your 3rd party or independent candidate of choice, or don't vote at all!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmZpSCMBy4k
Title: Re: Tea Party Caucus Leader Bachmann Votes for PATRIOT Act
Post by: happyJoy on February 17, 2011, 10:50:39 pm
It sure didn't take long for the newly-elected Republicans to answer my question, did it?

------------------------------

http://www.prisonplanet.com/tea-party-caucus-leader-bachmann-votes-for-patriot-act.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/tea-party-caucus-leader-bachmann-votes-for-patriot-act.html)

Tea Party Caucus Leader Bachmann Votes for PATRIOT Act

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
February 15, 2011

Now that establishment Republicans have managed to steer the Tea Party into the political Borg Hive and run off the real patriots, it is time to get the neocon total war agenda back on track.

(http://static.infowars.com/2011/02/i/article-images/bachmann.jpg)
Rep. Michele Bachmann: Just another tool for the neocon mass murder agenda.

Minnesota’s Michele Bachmann, like Alaska’s Sarah Palin, likes to pretend she is at the center of the Tea Party movement. She talks loud and long about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Last week Bachmann voted for an extension of the Constitution-busting PATRIOT Act.

“Today I voted for a temporary extension of three legal authorities in the Patriot Act,” Bachmann wrote on her Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=133787733353740&id=7658849357) on February 8. “This vote was not for a full reauthorization of the Patriot Act. As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I look forward to briefings and reports from our intelligence community that will help us develop longer term solutions as we protect our nation against international terrorism.”

“Today’s vote was for a ten-month extension of three provisions that would have expired later this month,” she posted on her House page (http://bachmann.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=224094). “These provisions maintain the flexibility that our intelligence community needs to monitor terror suspects and protect our country against international terrorism. As a mother of five and a foster mother to 23 children, I voted for these authorities so that our laws keep pace with the evolving threats posed by terrorists.”

As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, it is fair to assume Ms. Bachmann is a tool for the CIA and the Pentagon and buys into their phony war on manufactured terror.

But then she always was a dupe for the neocons. Michelle Bachmann was so enamored with the war criminal George W. Bush, she felt compelled to hug and kiss him after his State of the Dis-functional Union teleprompter speech a few years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJepxPPBok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJepxPPBok) (Michele Bachmann: You take my breath away, Mr. President!)

[Continued... (http://www.prisonplanet.com/tea-party-caucus-leader-bachmann-votes-for-patriot-act.html)]

------------------------------

But as I so often point out, those Republicans didn't elect themselves.

So once again: thanks a bunch, lesser evil voters (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150)!  ::)

Lets us vote in our collective interest, independent candidates and back the few republican/democrat politicians that act independently.

Why capitulate? We.have.the.numbers.
Title: Who Are the Tea Party Patriots?
Post by: Geolibertarian on March 10, 2011, 01:48:39 pm
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23585 (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23585)

Who Are the Tea Party Patriots?

by William John Cox

(http://globalresearch.ca/coverStoryPictures2/23585.jpg)

Global Research
March 10, 2011

Most people only see the public faces of the Tea Party Patriots: those doing televison interviews, appearing on the covers of magazines, waving from the steps of private jets at political rallies, and who spend the millions of dollars in tax-free donations they have raised; but who are the 15 million “patriots” who actually attend the thousands of local tea parties across the heartland of America?  Answers were sought at the TPP’s American Policy Summit held during the last week of February in Phoenix, Arizona.

The Faces of Fear

Although organizers had planned for 7,000 attendees, about 2,000 showed up and several thousand more attended, virtually, via the Internet.

There weren’t many body piercings or tattoos visible among the activists at the summit; no horns or forked tails were detected; nor were there very many colonial costumes or tri-cornered hats in evidence. There was, however, an abundance of serious faces and crossed arms.

There were as many women as men in attendance, but the most striking thing was the absolute absence of faces of color. None. Not a single Black, Hispanic or Asian face could be seen in the crowd. This is not to say that the “Patriots” are racist; they cheered former CEO Herman Cain, the conservative African-American Republican presidential candidate who claims that liberals are destroying the American Dream.

When Tea Party leader Mark Meckler was asked about the absence of faces of color, he said he doesn’t “pay attention to color” and he doesn’t know why there aren’t more. He didn’t answer when asked if the Tea Party intended to do anything to attract minority members.

Many women wore crosses on neck chains, but Stars of David and “peaceful coexistence” pendants were not displayed. There were numerous references by speakers to America as a Christian nation, including a prayer by Congressman David Swickart that called on all members to become “soldiers for the message.” Another speaker said a “Christian Nation doesn’t need health care reform,” only Good Samaritans to help others. The prayer service on Sunday morning was held by Al Larson, who seeks to establish a “network of dangerous men in and through our churches who so treasure Christ as Leader in their hearts that they are willing to risk anything to follow Him.”

If nothing else, the Patriots are very patriotic. Sessions were opened with the national anthem and the pledge of allegiance to the flag, and all veterans were encouraged to stand and offer a military salute.

The Patriots want a government that does nothing more than what it is authorized to do by the Constitution. The conference tote bags contained three copies of the Constitution, and the overriding theme of the Summit was a reduction of the federal government to conform to the powers set forth in Article I of the document.

Ralph Reed of the Faith and Freedom Coalition called upon the audience to restore the nation to the principles on which it was founded, and said, if the government fails to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, “there is a moral obligation to overthrow the government, by force if necessary.” He stated America was settled with “three tools: the axe, the plow and the Bible.” Then he added a fourth – the gun.

Arizona State Senate President Russell Pearce told the crowd it was time for a “rag tag army” led by the “congregations” to step up and fight against illegal immigration and the failure of government to do its job.

More than half of the audience appeared to be of retirement age and more than a few carried oxygen bottles; however, most cheered when Yaaron Brook of the Ayn Rand Institute stated “social security was the most immoral scheme ever devised by politicians” because it forces the responsible to care for the irresponsible.

Howard Sprague, a retired financial advisor who collects social security, believes it would be unfair to take social security away from those who were already receiving it, but that future generations should have a choice to opt in or out of social security and Medicare. Retiree Ralph Westburg wants to replace social security for the next generation with individual payments into private insurance company annuities; however, he also wasn’t willing to give up his own social security and Medicare benefits.

The only crack in the solid wall of conservatism was exposed by the few young people who were in attendance. Unlike older participants who declined to talk about “social issues,” Alexander Falkenstein and Carlos Alfaro of Students for Liberty, a libertarian youth organization, favor gay human rights and freedom of choice for women. They oppose the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. They believe in free market ideals; however, they fear the political power of big corporations. They stated the U.S. should be placing goods rather than troops in other countries.

More than anything else that can be said, the Patriots are fearful. They fear the loss of the quality of life they and their parents enjoyed following World War II; however, they also believe that the unions who led the battle for the wages and benefits they received are becoming too powerful. They fear the influx of immigrants and the loss of “American” jobs; however, they overlook that every single one of them is either an immigrant or the descendant of immigrants. They fear the loss of the moral values they were raised with; however, they are quick to deny others the choices they have had the freedom to make.

Those who join the Tea Party Patriots could be your parents, the veteran next door, the Little League coach, or the guy at the hardware store. They are hard-working, conservative, self-sufficient people who are afraid for the future of their families and their way of life. Having been empowered by the rewards of their efforts, they now feel helpless to confront the forces that threaten them. They feel compelled to do something, anything, to defend their beliefs. They are drawn to the Tea Party to meet like-minded patriotic people and to “make a difference.”

The fears of the Patriots are not unreasonable. However, it is not reasonable for their leaders to encourage and to take advantage of their fears; nor is it right that the leaders sell out the membership to those who finance their efforts to influence Patriots to act against their own self interest.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: hzane on March 10, 2011, 02:19:44 pm
As soon as Sean Hannity started organizing "Tea Party Rallies" with locations that just happened to coincide with his national book tour - i knew the movement had been hijacked.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on March 11, 2011, 01:56:57 pm
I have come to the conclusion that unless we put our politicians on an island or in a house together with cameras and a film crew where one gets voted out every week, America will remain stupid about politics. Just look at this [email protected]#t! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reality_television_programs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reality_television_programs)


I think you are onto something here.

Political Survivor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Kilgoar Trowt on March 13, 2011, 07:11:38 pm
The Tea Party is not just a pathetic joke: They are the active arm of the mega-rich that chokes out the little guy. They are paraded around with signs and slogans, given inordinate media attention by the mega-rich, and generally create a panic that influences voting.

The Tea Party are Ultra-nationalists with Utopian ideology and undertones of racism. I don't think any comparisons are necessary.

The left doesn't seem to mind all that much, and continues to support the torture of Bradley Manning. In fact a member of the Obama Administration was forced out today for speaking out.

It is despicable.

I posted this article in the satire yesterday, but it's so true as to be applicable in this discussion.
http://www.chronicle.su/editorial/hate-editorial/the-only-true-conspiracy-theory/
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Kilgore Trout on March 15, 2011, 02:30:19 am
Wow ...seriously , that's you're user name huh? And from reading your two post , you seem to buy that "left/right" good guy bad guy bullshit too...or did I read that wrong?
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: donnay on March 15, 2011, 02:41:43 am
As soon as Sean Hannity started organizing "Tea Party Rallies" with locations that just happened to coincide with his national book tour - i knew the movement had been hijacked.

Yes that was a definite indicator to tell me the neocons hijacked the Tea Party.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: worcesteradam on March 15, 2011, 07:45:22 pm
(http://i56.tinypic.com/29diqfq.png)
Vonnegut's brother worked in weather weapons for GE
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: worcesteradam on March 16, 2011, 04:53:12 am
tea party nation is a neocon group

their heroes are Palin and Tancredo
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on March 16, 2011, 04:42:33 pm
http://www.believeinamerica.com/index.php
http://www.constitutionparty.org
 
(https://secure.giftwrapplus.org/cpnc/DonorImages/Email/logo.png)

Constitution Party Promotional Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_SobkISNrY

Remember folks the TEA Party isn't on any state ballot !!!

Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on April 04, 2011, 09:30:12 am
Below are two excerpts from Webster Tarpley’s radio show, in which Mr. Tarpley assesses the Tea Party from a sociological perspective. I imagine some will take issue with Tarpley’s analysis, and that’s fine; but I would ask that you not merely assert that his analysis is wrong, but offer a fact-based explanation as to why you think it’s wrong (or partly wrong).

--------------------------

“On the Republican side, you can see the Republican strategy. They started with an array of themes last August [‘09]. There were moments in this [health care] debate where Republicans, including McCain, forced votes in the Senate on the 500 billion dollars of Medicare cuts. There was a general awareness coming from people like Dick Morris (an unsavory figure, but nevertheless a successful manipulator in the tradition of Lee Atwater, Karl Rove and others)….Dick Morris pointed out that the way to defeat the Obama bill was to turn the senior citizens against it (the over 65s), to convince them -- to show them -- that the $500 billion in Medicare cuts was a threat to their lives and their future well-being. That is to say, an effective Republican strategy would have concentrated on saying: ‘Don’t let Obama take your Medicare away!’ That’s effective.

“Instead you saw -- as the debate went on, you heard less and less about that, and more and more of the wild, reactionary yahoo charges, ‘Oh, it’s communism! Oh, it’s socialism!’ and above all, ‘Government takeover! Government takeover! Government takeover!’ Well, I’m sorry, it’s not a government takeover of healthcare; it’s a takeover of government by the insurance companies -- and by Big Pharma, don’t forget them. Big Pharma is now shielded from any future attempt to import drugs from Europe, Canada, Japan, where they’re just as good as they are here, or better.…This [was] bargained away by Obama before anything else started. So it [ObamaCare] is essentially the federal government turned into a tool of Big Pharma to keep out foreign competitors -- a cartel in that sense -- and then the insurance cartel that we talked about just a minute ago. So, the Republican slogan -- this constant litany: ‘Government takeover! Government takeover!’ -- this is not effective. Nobody cares. People want access to health care, and whether it’s a government bureaucracy or a private sector bureaucracy means very little to the average person. So the Republicans essentially deliberately narrowed their own base.

“It’s similar to what the Republican operatives did, now, with their manipulation and duping of the Tea Party. They made the Tea Party as narrow as they could. That is to say, there were no Ron Paul people at the Tea Party, there were no PUMA Democrats, there was no anti-war in any way. You had to be a warmonger to get into the Tea Party. This makes no sense.

“Now, let’s just look at the interesting example here [in] Washington last Saturday [3/20/10]….We had two demonstrations going on: we had the tea baggers at the Capitol, and then we had the peaceniks at the White House.  Now, let’s look at the tea baggers first. I had the opportunity to visit both of these. The thing that you see with the tea baggers is, of course, this is a lily-white group. This is a rather comfortable, rather well-heeled, middle class group. The main thing you see with the Tea Party is that these are retired military, retired military, retired military. I had a chance to talk to quite a few of them, and, lo and behold, in the course of most conversations it would turn out that this was retired military. They would come with their hats, the ship that they were on, their Army or Marines t-shirt at all ages, and so forth. They’re retired military. So what does that mean? It means that they have got their piece of the federal budget. They’re all on U.S. government military pensions. They’re all available to get TRICARE, or Veterans Administration medical care. There’s an element of hypocrisy in this -- and I’m sorry -- which is: ‘I’ve got my piece of the federal budget, I’ve got my pension, I’ve got my health care for life, and you can be damned!’ The thirty or forty million [without health insurance] they don’t care about. So there’s essentially an element of bad faith at the heart of this.

“And, of course, the people running this are all Republican operatives. They’re all Republican think-tankers. We’ve gone through it before: Richard Mellon Scaife, Competitive Enterprise Institute, Heartland Institute, Dick Armey (Republican leader) -- they're all a bunch of Republicans.”

—Webster Tarpley, World Crisis Radio (http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/worldCrisisRadio/archives.php) broadcast, 3/27/10, 1st hour


“In terms of sociology, here’s our premise: there is no Tea Party. The media talk about nothing else. The media are interested in keeping alive the fantasy, the myth by now, that there’s such thing as the Tea Party as an actual sociological movement. There is no such thing.

“The Washington post did a series of attempted phone calls…to contact these people. They went to Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, Freedom Works and the rest of these astroturfing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) organizations. These are essentially Republican PACs that re-baptized themselves ‘Tea Party.’ In 2004 they were ‘reelect Bush.’ In 2006 they were ‘support Denny Hastert and Tom DeLay.’ And then in 2010 they become: ‘we’re the Tea Party, we’re the insurgents.’ This should fool nobody. This is the Sal Russo corner of the world. And, again, these are Republican operatives, professionals who have now succeeded in completely absorbing whatever Tea Party there was into the Republican Party.

“Now, the Washington Post found -- the allegation was that there was 2,400 Tea Party organizations, that’s what these astroturf groups claim -- [the] Washington Post tried to contact them….They were able to make contact with 600 of these, and the overwhelming finding was that they did nothing: that they had no relation to elections; that they didn’t support candidates, they didn’t have their own candidates, they didn’t have their own program, they didn’t do anything much. They were essentially social clubs. They would meet for coffee or bowling or a skit, or some other kind of friendly neighborhood activity. It means that the rank-and-file -- the grassroots structure of what was the Tea Party -- is now completely gone.

“Nevertheless, what you can [see when you] look at Tea Party -- you can certainly see, when Beck calls for a demonstration, he gets 100,000 or whatever he gets. You can have these Tea Party rallies over issues. This is now the same method as we’ve described in Obama: The Postmodern Coup (http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/obama---the-postmodern-coup-making-of-a-manchurian-candidate/2770708).

“Remember, take a look in Obama: The Postmodern Coup at the entire chapter that’s devoted to ‘swarming adolescents’ [and] ‘rebellious hysteria’ -- the distinguished article by Jonathan Mowat -- about how the color revolutions are now organized. This is based on CIA practice in the Philippines against Marcos in the 1980s; what went on in Iran in the late 70s against the Shah, in bringing in the other regime that we see now; and the thing that was then prolonged into the Belgrade overthrow of Milosevic in 2000/2001; and the Kiev Orange Revolution that put Yushchenko and that gang into power; the NATO agents and IMF agents, the Roses Revolution in Tblisi, Georgia that put in the madman Saakashvili, the warmonger; the attempted Cedars Revolution in Lebanon, and so on and so forth around the world, using demagogic leaders, slogans, branding; Tea Party [is] obviously one of them, all these costumes, the 18th-century costumes, ‘don’t tread on me,’ -- these are all essentially the applications of the same method….It’s also the case of Obama. The Obama campaign of ‘07/’08 was exactly the same thing; it was an astroturfing method that took the existing militants and the existing activists of the anti-Bush/anti-Cheney impeachment movement, which was reaching down deep into the middle class, the anti-war movement and other popular movements, and recycled them into dupes and useful idiots for Obama -- and then threw them away.

“And that’s where we stand now: these movements have essentially been swept away and destroyed.

“At the beginning with the Tea Party, you did have a certain spontaneous aspect -- this cannot be denied -- in the first half of 2009. I would point in particular to the sociology. Having talked with Tea Party people, gone to some demonstrations, and attempted to profile these groups sociologically, what do you find? You find a lot of stock brokers, you find a lot of real estate brokers. What does that mean? These are people who are appendages of Wall Street, appendages of the great speculative machine -- the retail broker, the local financial adviser. The real estate broker -- we can see the character of the hero’s mother in the latest Oliver Stone movie: she’s caught up in the flipping houses routine on Long Island. They are people who imagine themselves to be in some kind of a symbiosis with Wall Street -- they think that their personal interests are bound up with Wall Street -- and therefore their instinctive view, as we’ve seen, the Tea Party view tends to mimic and ape the finance capital view.

“For example: the fact that the Tea Party program of gut and cut is exactly the same as the George Shultz program announced in the pages of the Wall Street Journal, where we find that the things that you’ve got to do according to George Shultz are tax cuts for the rich, savage cuts in domestic discretionary spending, savage cuts in the entitlement spending; no new regulations -- gut those -- and have (he said) a rule-bound or predictable international financial policy. Well, to the extent that the Tea Party people have anything to say about this, that’s what it was from the very beginning.

“But, again, you also had a lot of retired military, who had been ideologized in that obvious way of hyper-patriotism, and so forth, but also people who knew that their nests had been fully lined with Pentagon TRICARE and military pensions that are much better than Medicare or Social Security, and who felt that they didn’t need anybody else climbing onto that bandwagon -- they wanted to pull the ladder up now that they had gone up it. And they have all kinds of reasons why they want this to be so.

“But in the mean time, that, I think, has completely atrophied, and what you’ve got now is the dominion of astroturfing groups funded by the Koch brothers; funded by Richard Mellon Scaife, the Olin Foundation, the Smith-Richardson Foundation, and so forth, getting into the act, and supporting the Heartland Institute and the network of reactionary think tanks that you have all over the place. And this has now become a phantom. It’s an ideological phantom which these commentators cite constantly as if it really exists. Well, it doesn’t exist.”

—Webster Tarpley, World Crisis Radio (http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/worldCrisisRadio/archives.php) broadcast, 11/06/10, 2nd hour

--------------------------
Title: Have The Tea Parties Been Neoconned?
Post by: Geolibertarian on April 25, 2011, 02:18:44 pm
http://www.infowars.com/have-the-tea-parties-been-neoconned/ (http://www.infowars.com/have-the-tea-parties-been-neoconned/)

Have The Tea Parties Been Neoconned?

Chuck Baldwin
Infowars.com
April 25, 2011

Back in February of 2010, I appeared on Neil Cavuto’s FOXBusiness TV show to talk about the emergence and effectiveness of America’s Tea Party movement. I warned FOX biz host Charles Payne that I was very concerned about the Tea Parties being infiltrated and taken over by big-government neocons.

See my interview on Neil Cavuto’s show (hosted by Charles Payne):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siN8zB6Y9HE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siN8zB6Y9HE)

With more than a year having gone by since that interview, I believe the concerns I expressed on FOX were more than warranted. I am seeing more and more Tea Parties fall into the same trap, as did their predecessors back in the “Conservative Revolution” of 1994 and ‘95.

Right here in my home State of Montana, voters overwhelmingly threw the liberal Democrats out of both State houses and replaced them with Republicans who campaigned on strong conservative rhetoric. But what has happened since? Neocon Republicans in leadership positions squashed the best legislation and bullied compromised, big-government legislation through both chambers. The result: big-government neocons, once again, stymied and squashed the efforts of constitutionalist GOP legislators.

A press release at the half-way point of the Montana legislative session stated, “According to Montana Conservatives’ just-released mid session scorecard, the new wave of Republican legislators elected in November’s landslide are actually voting less conservative than their party’s incumbents.

“This is not good news for Tea Party organizers and other conservative activists, who were hopeful the strong conservative mood of the fall elections would sweep into office a new breed of bolder conservative voices. Instead, the organization’s Taxpayer Advisory Bulletin (TAB) reveals that returning GOP legislators (including those who switched houses) voted 46% conservative through the transmittal break, while newcomers graded a slightly lower 43%. Democratic legislators had an average conservative score of 7%.

“Commenting, MC spokesman Roger Koopman said, ‘This poor performance of Republican freshmen perpetuates what is functionally a three-party system in Helena, consisting of small government Republicans, big government Republicans and big government Democrats. The pattern has existed for years. Consequently, even with large Republican majorities in both houses, conservative ideas remain in the minority and the overall thrust of the legislature is toward bigger, more intrusive government, with greater state control and less individual freedom.’”

See the TAB press release and report at:

http://tinyurl.com/4ynbd9l (http://tinyurl.com/4ynbd9l)

What the report does not make a point to say is that the poor performance of many of these freshman GOP legislators is primarily due to the political pressure brought upon them by big-government neocons in leadership positions within the GOP State caucus. This is the same thing that has been going on in State legislatures all over America, and even more so in Washington, D.C. When the courageous freshman class of 1994 was elected to the US House of Representatives, everyone was talking about the great “Conservative Revolution” that had just taken place. Conservative freshman House members such as Helen Chenowith, Bob Barr, Steve Largent, J.C. Watts, J.D. Hayworth, Joe Scarborough, Sonny Bono, etc., marched into the US Capitol with broad support from the American electorate and a sense of commitment to reign in an out-of-control federal leviathan in Washington, D.C. So, what happened? Were any federal departments dismantled? No. Was the size and scope of the federal government reduced? No. Was federal spending reduced? No. Within a year from that historic election in 1994, the “Conservative Revolution” was dead, and it was “business as usual” in Washington, D.C.

Why did this happen? Two reasons: big-government neocon GOP Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich and big-government neocon GOP Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott. These two big-government establishment phony conservatives used their leadership positions to stymie, steamroll, and squash the conservative agenda of the 1994 conservative freshman Republicans.

And the same way that Gingrich and Lott killed the “Conservative Revolution” of 1994 in Washington, D.C., big-government neocons in the State legislatures (including here in Montana) have killed and are killing the limited-government revolutions of the various Tea Parties in 2010 and ’11. Beyond that, many Tea Party leaders and activists are currently touting the Presidential candidacy of the same man who helped kill the “Conservative Revolution” of 1994: former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.

In my interview on FOX, I said that I was angrier with the Republican Party than I was the Democrat Party. If you listened to the interview referenced above, you heard my reason why: with Democrats there is no pretense. One knows exactly what the Donkeys stand for: Big Government, more taxes, more spending, more welfare, etc. Republicans, however, constantly campaign for less government, less taxes, less spending, less welfare, etc., but after they are elected, they continue the big-spending ways of their colleagues on the other side of the aisle (then throw in their own propensities to expand a burgeoning Police State and Warfare State). Say what you want, at least Democrats are honest about their affinity for Big Government.

If Tea Party activists really believe they are going to change the size and direction of government (at any level) by promoting and electing people such as Newt Gingrich, they are living in fantasyland. (Or, if they live in Montana, they are smoking too much of the weed that they seem hell-bent to deny everyone else!)

Furthermore, this whole Republican vs. Democrat, or “conservative” vs. liberal, paradigm is a joke, anyway! Voters have been replacing Democrats with Republicans, liberals with “conservatives” (and vice versa) for decades; and what has it gotten us? Nothing but bigger and bigger government; more and more government spending; more and more welfare programs; more and more taxes; more and more Police-State legislation; more and more political correctness; more and more environmental wackoism; more and more foreign wars; less and less freedom; and less and less State autonomy.

Koopman’s “three party” description is well taken, except I might refine it a little by maintaining that we still have only two parties: socialist Democrats and neocon Republicans in one party, and limited-government, freedom-oriented constitutionalists in the other party. It’s time that people start identifying big-government neocons in the GOP as being nothing more than a clandestine fifth column unit of the Democrat Party!

[Continued... (http://www.infowars.com/have-the-tea-parties-been-neoconned/)]
Title: Re: Have The Tea Parties Been Neoconned?
Post by: Geolibertarian on April 25, 2011, 02:42:06 pm
http://www.infowars.com/have-the-tea-parties-been-neoconned/ (http://www.infowars.com/have-the-tea-parties-been-neoconned/)

Koopman’s “three party” description is well taken, except I might refine it a little by maintaining that we still have only two parties: socialist Democrats and neocon Republicans in one party, and limited-government, freedom-oriented constitutionalists in the other party.

I have a news flash for Mr. Baldwin: not everyone who disagrees with both the "socialist Democrats" and "neocon Republicans" is a hardcore "conservative" or right-wing "libertarian" who's chomping at the bit to slash the social safety net at the very time it's needed most (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=199144.0).

So while I share his disdain for the false left-vs.-right/Democrat-vs.-Republican paradigm, I strongly oppose the equally false Austrian School "capitalism"-vs.-Marxist "socialism" paradigm (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=192293.0) in which his mind is apparently enslaved, and which he and countless others go out of their way to promote and reinforce.
Title: Allen West "Tea Party" Candidate Has Nicole Sandler Arrested For Asking Question
Post by: huck on April 27, 2011, 06:30:23 pm
Didn't see this on here yet. THUG NeoCon Tea Party pretender Allen West
had Radio Host Nicole Sandler arrested & put in solitary confinement FOR
ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION at a Town Hall meeting!
Google it. Its on the national news. Happened In Fort Lauderdale, FL.
Alex should contact Sandler for the whole story.
Title: The Tea Parties Now Have Their Man
Post by: Geolibertarian on April 30, 2011, 09:29:42 am
http://www.infowars.com/the-tea-parties-now-have-their-man/ (http://www.infowars.com/the-tea-parties-now-have-their-man/)

The Tea Parties Now Have Their Man

Chuck Baldwin
Infowars.com
April 30, 2011

After I wrote my last column, several Tea Party activists contacted me to let me know that they had not been “neoconned.” They made it plain in no uncertain terms that they would never support establishment neocon Republicans such as Newt Gingrich for the office of President of the United States. Most assuredly, I was glad to hear from these folks; I only wish my mail box had been swamped with such correspondence–it wasn’t!

(http://www.obeythepurebreed.com/images/ron_paul_sticker.jpg)

See my column at:

       http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/?p=3425 (http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/?p=3425)

At this point, it may be helpful if I give a little history lesson. The Tea Party movement began in 2007 as a grassroots effort to support the 2008 Presidential candidacy of Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. I am proud to say that I was part of that effort. In fact, I actively campaigned for Dr. Paul in at least four states during that election cycle: Alabama, Florida, Iowa, and South Carolina. I was even honored to represent Dr. Paul in a major South Carolina GOP banquet, in which sitting US congressmen and senators were selected from around the country to represent most of the other Republican Presidential candidates. (I wish readers could have been a fly on the wall to witness the goings on at the speaker’s table during the banquet as these GOP congressmen and senators tried to figure out who I was, and what the heck I was doing there. It was quite a sight!) I well remember that, as I came down from the speaker’s platform, one US Senator told me that my promotion of Dr. Paul’s candidacy that night was the best presentation on behalf of the Texas congressman that he had ever heard. Since then, I have spoken at numerous Tea Party events and appeared on both local and national media outlets (and numerous private videos and recordings) discussing the merits of the Tea Party movement and promoting the candidacy of Dr. Paul.

We need to get this straight: the Tea Party movement was never about electing Republicans–especially neocon Republicans! The Tea Party movement began as a grassroots effort to reduce the size and scope of the federal government; to rid America of the oppressive tax burden under which it currently groans; to eliminate the Federal Reserve; to return America to sound money; to stop the federal government’s obsession with foreign entanglements and wars; and to return America to constitutional governance. And there was only one man within the two major parties that was going to bring about those changes in 2008: Congressman Ron Paul, which is why the Tea Party was birthed as a grassroots extension of his campaign.

Since then, however, many GOP shills and toadies have jumped on the Tea Party bandwagon and have attempted to redefine its goals and objectives, including many of the talking heads on FOX News. In truth, many Tea Party activists regularly look to Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and other “conservative” celebrities to champion their cause.

Need I remind everyone that Hannity has hardly ever met a Republican that he didn’t gush over. And I couldn’t count how many times we’ve seen Mr. Neocon himself, Newt Gingrich, on Hannity’s show. And as much as many people will cringe to hear this (and as much as I appreciate many things that Beck has to say), it was Glenn Beck who literally sabotaged a legitimate Tea Party candidate, Debra Medina, on his show. I would even dare say that Medina might have been elected Texas governor had it not been for the hatchet job Beck did on her. And as much as I like Sarah Palin for her fervent pro-life and pro-Second Amendment convictions, when it comes to foreign affairs, she is just another shill for the pro-war, military-industrial complex that has dominated US foreign policy since the days of Lyndon Johnson.

In 2008, the Tea Party movement supported one candidate: Ron Paul. He was the only Presidential candidate who had the guts to say the Federal Reserve was corrupt and needed to be eliminated; he was the only candidate (with the exception of Dennis Kucinich) who said the war in Iraq was unnecessary and unconstitutional; he was the only candidate who sponsored the Sanctity of Life Act, which would recognize the right of the states to nullify Roe vs. Wade; he was the only Republican candidate to speak out against the USA Patriot Act, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and other draconian police-state-type legislation and departments; and he was the only man from either party who had the guts to say the US should stop sending foreign aid to all countries–even Israel.

Now, here we are four years later. And, once again, the man who was responsible for the Tea Party movement coming into existence has entered the 2012 race for President. See the story, as it is reported in the National Journal:

[Continued... (http://www.infowars.com/the-tea-parties-now-have-their-man/)]
Title: Greenbackers not welcome in the original Tea Party?
Post by: Geolibertarian on April 30, 2011, 09:49:58 am
http://www.infowars.com/the-tea-parties-now-have-their-man/ (http://www.infowars.com/the-tea-parties-now-have-their-man/)

We need to get this straight: the Tea Party movement was never about electing Republicans–especially neocon Republicans! The Tea Party movement began as a grassroots effort to reduce the size and scope of the federal government; to rid America of the oppressive tax burden under which it currently groans; to eliminate the Federal Reserve;

And replace it with what?

Must that question always be begged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question) instead of candidly addressed?

Quote
to return America to sound money;

As I explain here (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg1232275#msg1232275), the euphemism (http://globalgulag.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,401.0.html) "sound money" is Austrian School (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=192293.0) code for instituting a new gold standard.

So does this mean that Greenbackers (http://www.webofdebt.com/excerpts/chapter-37.php) like myself would not have been welcome in the original, non-Republican Tea Party?

If it doesn't mean that, you're doing an awfully bad job conveying that message.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the reason why the original Tea Party was so easily hijacked by Republican Party operatives is that it blindly insisted on narrowing its base to only those individuals who categorically agreed with the right-wing economic dogma of the privatize-everything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDMenqKCXdw) Austrian School.

By narrowing its base to "conservatives" and right-wing "libertarians" who are as devoted to austerity fascism (http://www.prisonplanet.com/austerity-fascism-is-coming-and-it-will-be-brutal.html) -- i.e., to cutting the social safety net at the very time its needed most (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=199144.0) -- as any neocon, the original Tea Party practically begged to be hijacked.

Just calling it like I see it, folks, so please don't blame the messenger.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on May 20, 2011, 02:09:37 pm
“The Washington post did a series of attempted phone calls…to contact these people. They went to Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, Freedom Works and the rest of these astroturfing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) organizations. These are essentially Republican PACs that re-baptized themselves ‘Tea Party.’ In 2004 they were ‘reelect Bush.’ In 2006 they were ‘support Denny Hastert and Tom DeLay.’ And then in 2010 they become: ‘we’re the Tea Party, we’re the insurgents.’ This should fool nobody. This is the Sal Russo corner of the world. And, again, these are Republican operatives, professionals who have now succeeded in completely absorbing whatever Tea Party there was into the Republican Party.

“Now, the Washington Post found -- the allegation was that there was 2,400 Tea Party organizations, that’s what these astroturf groups claim -- [the] Washington Post tried to contact them….They were able to make contact with 600 of these, and the overwhelming finding was that they did nothing: that they had no relation to elections; that they didn’t support candidates, they didn’t have their own candidates, they didn’t have their own program, they didn’t do anything much. They were essentially social clubs. They would meet for coffee or bowling or a skit, or some other kind of friendly neighborhood activity. It means that the rank-and-file -- the grassroots structure of what was the Tea Party -- is now completely gone.

—Webster Tarpley, World Crisis Radio (http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/worldCrisisRadio/archives.php) broadcast, 11/06/10, 2nd hour

I'm suprised no one responded to this, because it calls into question a claim that I continue to hear made almost daily -- that a large portion of the loosely defined "Tea Party" has yet to be absorbed into the Republican Party.

Now, I'd like to believe this claim, but the problem is that I've seen no evidence that would justify doing so. I'm not saying the 9/11 truthers and Ron Paul enthusiasts who composed the original Tea Party aren't still politically active on an individual basis, just that the only thing I'm aware of that still passes for an actual "organization" is the Republicanized Tea Party as described by Webster Tarpley in the excperts I posted from his radio show (scroll up to read).

So if Tarpley's analysis is indeed wrong (and I'm open to the possibility that it is), then would someone please provide evidence in support of this?
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Freeski on May 27, 2011, 10:10:26 pm
I'm suprised no one responded to this, because it calls into question a claim that I continue to hear made almost daily -- that a large portion of the loosely defined "Tea Party" has yet to be absorbed into the Republican Party.

Now, I'd like to believe this claim, but the problem is that I've seen no evidence that would justify doing so. I'm not saying the 9/11 truthers and Ron Paul enthusiasts who composed the original Tea Party aren't still politically active on an individual basis, just that the only thing I'm aware of that still passes for an actual "organization" is the Republicanized Tea Party as described by Webster Tarpley in the excperts I posted from his radio show (scroll up to read).

So if Tarpley's analysis is indeed wrong (and I'm open to the possibility that it is), then would someone please provide evidence in support of this?

Personally, I think it more important to get people to understand liberty, than to organize, because they have to know what they're actually fighting for -- otherwise they're just blindly following, and that shallowness just makes them weak.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on May 31, 2011, 03:48:55 pm
No we need to organize on the state levels and with 3rd and 4th parties.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on May 31, 2011, 06:48:36 pm
No we need to organize on the state levels and with 3rd and 4th parties.

Agreed. The reason why ruling-class oligarchs are having such a ridiculously easy time fleecing and oppressing the masses is that they are organized while their victims are not.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: freedom_commonsense on May 31, 2011, 07:44:05 pm
Agreed. The reason why ruling-class oligarchs are having such a ridiculously easy time fleecing and oppressing the masses is that they are organized while their victims are not.

Said victims are mostly organised among the establishment left and establishment right, still stuck in the two party paradigm and too trusting of established authority.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: PeaceAndFreedom on May 31, 2011, 08:28:34 pm
Indeed true. The genuine TP was a decentralized, undefined populist movement that kept growing after Ron Paul suspended his 2008 candidacy for President. Even though rudderless, it was still growing supporters among rank and file Republicans and (gasp) Democrats. They disrupted town halls of both Democrat and GOP candidates with real questions, and succeeded in strongly challenging (or outright ousting) many establishment pols in the primaries of 2008, a feat that sent shock waves across the elite.

The establishment controllers can't stand uncontrolled movements that might obliterate the two party paradigm, so they swung into action. The media started crying "racism" and extremism at the TP (to scare Democrats away from it, from without), then started co-opting it into the Republican fold (to implode it, from within). The end result is in the voting records of the TP candidates voted into Congress this year---only 10% of them actually vote like liberty advocates consistently. That fall from potent new mass movement force, to pathetic more-war/more debt/more government joke, is a sad but not surprising example of how efficiently the system neutralizes and smothers anything that might upset the NWO program.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Freeski on May 31, 2011, 08:31:44 pm
Indeed true. The genuine TP was a decentralized, undefined populist movement that kept growing after Ron Paul suspended his 2008 candidacy for President. Even though rudderless, it was still growing supporters among rank and file Republicans and (gasp) Democrats. They disrupted town halls of both Democrat and GOP candidates with real questions, and succeeded in strongly challenging (or outright ousting) many establishment pols in the primaries of 2008, a feat that sent shock waves across the elite.

The establishment controllers can't stand uncontrolled movements that might obliterate the two party paradigm, so they swung into action. The media started crying "racism" and extremism at the TP (to scare Democrats away from it, from without), then started co-opting it into the Republican fold (to implode it, from within). The end result is in the voting records of the TP candidates voted into Congress this year---only 10% of them actually vote like liberty advocates consistently. That fall from potent new mass movement force, to pathetic more-war/more debt/more government joke, is a sad but not surprising example of how efficiently the system neutralizes and smothers anything that might upset the NWO program.

I enjoyed that post!
Title: Mitt Romney Splits Tea Party Groups
Post by: Geolibertarian on June 08, 2011, 05:59:18 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/08/mitt-romney-tea-party-not-acceptable_n_873133.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/08/mitt-romney-tea-party-not-acceptable_n_873133.html)

Mitt Romney Splits Tea Party Groups

by Michael McAuliff
TheHuffingtonPost.com
June 8, 2011

WASHINGTON -- Leaders of one of the Tea Party's larger grassroots coalitions are hammering a rival group for saying the Tea Party will back whichever Republican wins the presidential primary, even if that candidate is Mitt Romney.

Tea Party Express Co-Chairman Amy Kremer made the offending comments on Fox News over the weekend, saying, "Whoever the Republican nominee is will have to have the support of the Tea Party movement -- the entire Tea Party movement."

She added, "If Romney is the nominee, I believe that we want to defeat Barack Obama."

The offering of support for both the GOP and the front-running Romney did not sit well with the Tea Party Patriots, which claims more than 3,000 affiliated local groups.

"A pledge of allegiance to the Republican Party, or any other party, violates what the Tea Party movement is all about and is completely out of touch with grassroots Americans," Jenny Beth Martin, a co-founder of the Patriots group, said in a statement.

[Continued... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/08/mitt-romney-tea-party-not-acceptable_n_873133.html)]
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: PeaceAndFreedom on June 09, 2011, 07:14:56 pm
They disrupted town halls of both Democrat and GOP candidates with real questions, and succeeded in strongly challenging (or outright ousting) many establishment pols in the primaries of 2008, a feat that sent shock waves across the elite.

I meant to say the primaries of 2010, which is where the battle over the TP was fully joined. Once the establishment noticed it not only had staying power over 2008, but was actually ousting entrenched pols or giving them a scare in the primaries, they determined the movement had to be destroyed and/or co-opted. The Tea Party Express statement is exactly what they want, a movement fully captured by one or the other two controlled parties. The TP voices objecting to the statement are the true movement voices.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: chris jones on June 10, 2011, 08:45:39 pm
I meant to say the primaries of 2010, which is where the battle over the TP was fully joined. Once the establishment noticed it not only had staying power over 2008, but was actually ousting entrenched pols or giving them a scare in the primaries, they determined the movement had to be destroyed and/or co-opted. The Tea Party Express statement is exactly what they want, a movement fully captured by one or the other two controlled parties. The TP voices objecting to the statement are the true movement voices.
WHAT MAY HAVE BEGUN AS A RIGHTEOUS MOVE HAVE BEEN INFILTRATED ANDD PERVERTED.
     A staging point waqs errected was erected, as many before have been. One in the public eye, gahtering notion they beocme feeding rounds parasitic attacks.
 
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on June 11, 2011, 09:31:21 am
WHAT MAY HAVE BEGUN AS A RIGHTEOUS MOVE HAVE BEEN INFILTRATED ANDD PERVERTED.

Yes, but why was it so easily infiltrated and perverted?

As I said on page 3 of this thread:

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the reason why the original Tea Party was so easily hijacked by Republican Party operatives is that it blindly insisted on narrowing its base to only those individuals who categorically agreed with the right-wing economic dogma of the privatize-everything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDMenqKCXdw) Austrian School.

By narrowing its base to "conservatives" and right-wing "libertarians" who are as devoted to austerity fascism (http://www.prisonplanet.com/austerity-fascism-is-coming-and-it-will-be-brutal.html) -- i.e., to cutting the social safety net at the very time its needed most (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=199144.0) -- as any neocon, the original Tea Party practically begged to be hijacked.

Although royal libertarians (http://geolib.com/essays/sullivan.dan/royallib.html), to their credit, are usually anti-war and anti-police state, they have a self-defeating tendency to poison their own well by railing self-righteously against the social safety net while simultaneously defending -- in the name of "liberty," of course -- the privileges (see this (http://savingcommunities.org/issues/), this (http://monetary.org/rights.htm) and this (http://www.progress.org/archive/hgjr8a.htm)) that gave rise to the horrific economic conditions (http://www.wealthandwant.com/HG/crime_of_poverty.html) that in turn created (in the minds of the masses) the apparent need for a social safety net in the first place.

Thus, as long as they dominate the liberty movement, the countless millions of people out there who share their disdain for both imperialist wars of aggression and Nazi-style police state measures -- but who do not share their fondness for the anarcho-capitalist dogma of the Austrian School (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=192293.0) -- will continue to keep their distance (since they have better things to do with their time than listen to label (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-socialism.htm)-obsessed reactionaries call them freedom-hating "socialists" all day long).

Until they wake up to this fact and change their tactics accordlingly, they'll continue to be their own worst enemies.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: donnay on June 11, 2011, 09:48:50 am
June 6, 2011
The Tea Party Is a Brown-Shirt Movement, Mostly
Posted by Anthony Gregory on June 6, 2011 12:55 PM

It was obvious in the beginning of 2009 when all of a sudden many of them sprung up crying out for their liberty, after years of silence under the fascist Bush administration. They focused on culture-war hot buttons and symbolic battles while ignoring the programs that actually threatened fiscal catastrophe: Medicare and Social Security, which the older demographic behind this movement tended always to support since they guaranteed their status as tax feeders. Meanwhile, most of the Tea Party types complained that Obama the alleged Marxist Muslim wasn't murdering enough people abroad, torturing and detaining enough Muslims and enemies of the state, or deporting enough people for the crime of crossing the border—although in every case, Obama has actually been like Bush but more so.

Now a big Tea Party leader says, on behalf of her movement, that they will support any Republican in 2012—even Mitt Romney, the socialist who doesn't even have a better position on free market health care than Obama. This is a partisan and hypocritical movement, as many on LRC warned from the beginning (Ryan McMaken and I sounded the alarm more than two years ago; Laurence Vance warned about it consistently, even up to the 2010 election; Lew Rockwell told us to brace ourselves for betrayal). Regime libertarians have been praising this movement for two years, but LRC writers always saw through the subterfuge.

Is this to say there was no one decent in these protests? That no libertarian impulse was there? That no good-faith, everyday Americans frustrated by the status quo jumped on the bandwagon for understandable reasons? Of course not. But in the main, the Tea Party was always even more of a disingenuous coalition than the antiwar movement of 2003, which has turned out to be an anti-Bush movement more interested in electing Democrats and socializing the economy than stopping the slaughter of innocents overseas.

How do we identify a mass movement that's actually for freedom? The Ron Paul movement, especially its youth, is a great example of one: It is passionate about war, opposed to the central bank, jealous of all civil liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, opposed to the federal police state, wants to end the income tax outright and looks at the entire national leviathan as the enemy, not as savior or an extension of the national will. In short, it loves personal liberty, economic liberty, and peace with all foreign nations, and hates government. If you want to know if someone is serious about freedom, ask him about the last president, U.S. war, or major federal program that he admires. If he names anything from the last sixty years, he is obviously not serious about the short-term threat and long-term struggle for liberty.

Continued... (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/89316.html)
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on June 11, 2011, 10:21:05 am
Posted by Anthony Gregory on June 6, 2011 12:55 PM

How do we identify a mass movement that's actually for freedom? The Ron Paul movement, especially its youth, is a great example of one: It is passionate about war, opposed to the central bank, jealous of all civil liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, opposed to the federal police state, wants to end the income tax outright and looks at the entire national leviathan as the enemy, not as savior or an extension of the national will. In short, it loves personal liberty, economic liberty, and peace with all foreign nations, and hates government.

Translation: if you disagree with certain of Ron Paul's Austrian School views on economics, then even if you agree with him on ending wars of aggression and dismantling the police state, you still hate "freedom" and are hence not welcome in his movement (unless, of course, you agree to keep your mouth shut whenever you hear someone advocate instituting a new gold standard (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg1232275#msg1232275) or making our tax system even more friendly to rent-seeking land speculators (http://www.henrygeorge.org/bust.htm) than it already is).

My thanks to Anthony Gregory for proving my point about how the Austrian School-dominated Tea Party movement of 2007/2008 needlessly narrowed its own base, and thereby made itself unnecessarily vulnerable to being hijacked by Republican Party operatives who, of course, have made a career out of parroting the very same empty platitudes about "economic liberty" (an obvious illustration of this being the euphemism-laced "Contract from America" which begins this thread.)

I'm sure more such proof is forthcoming.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: donnay on June 11, 2011, 02:08:18 pm
Translation: if you disagree with certain of Ron Paul's Austrian School views on economics, then even if you agree with him on ending wars of aggression and dismantling the police state, you still hate "freedom" and are hence not welcome in his movement (unless, of course, you agree to keep your mouth shut whenever you hear someone advocate instituting a new gold standard (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg1232275#msg1232275) or making our tax system even more friendly to rent-seeking land speculators (http://www.henrygeorge.org/bust.htm) than it already is).

My thanks to Anthony Gregory for proving my point about how the Austrian School-dominated Tea Party movement of 2007/2008 needlessly narrowed its own base, and thereby made itself unnecessarily vulnerable to being hijacked by Republican Party operatives who, of course, have made a career out of parroting the very same empty platitudes about "economic liberty" (an obvious illustration of this being the euphemism-laced "Contract from America" which begins this thread.)

I'm sure more such proof is forthcoming.

The Contract with America was introduced by Neoconservative Neuter Gingrich.  Ron Paul (R-TX) was not part of it nor does he subscribe to neocons.



"...An October 2010 Washington Post canvass of local Tea Party organizers found 87% saying "dissatisfaction with mainstream Republican Party leaders" was "an important factor in the support the group has received so far".[24] "
Tea Party movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement)



Ron Paul’s Shocking Message To The Tea Party (http://www.digitalmeetingcenter.com/ron-pauls-shocking-message-to-the-tea-party/851883/)


"Ron Paul believes the Tea Party is not about “left” or “right” like a lot of political pundits make it out to be. It’s about the constitution, and limited government."
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: PeaceAndFreedom on June 11, 2011, 03:25:45 pm
Translation: if you disagree with certain of Ron Paul's Austrian School views on economics, then even if you agree with him on ending wars of aggression and dismantling the police state, you still hate "freedom" and are hence not welcome in his movement (unless, of course, you agree to keep your mouth shut whenever you hear someone advocate instituting a new gold standard (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg1232275#msg1232275) or making our tax system even more friendly to rent-seeking land speculators (http://www.henrygeorge.org/bust.htm) than it already is).

My thanks to Anthony Gregory for proving my point about how the Austrian School-dominated Tea Party movement of 2007/2008 needlessly narrowed its own base, and thereby made itself unnecessarily vulnerable to being hijacked by Republican Party operatives who, of course, have made a career out of parroting the very same empty platitudes about "economic liberty" (an obvious illustration of this being the euphemism-laced "Contract from America" which begins this thread.)

I'm sure more such proof is forthcoming.

Their needless narrowing of the base is the correct observation, but the economic issues being the cause is the wrong analysis. The problem is the TP was NEVER in Austrian camp to begin with, and are only just now stepping their toe into antiwar waters as it stands. MOST of Ron Paul's emphasis is on an Austrian approach to economic issues, yet the TP has not been firmly associated with him. The emphasis of the group was on tax and spending restraint, without any firm (or even vague) intellectual grasp of the underlying principles of liberty as applied to the market. This lack of a base led to the incoherent agenda, that made the TP susceptible to being raided. Tax-and-spend austerity is standard "fiscal conservative" rhetoric, and absent a true alternate framework, was easy for Republicans to exploit.

The warfare leads to the welfare state, and vice versa; being opposed to half a loaf does not eliminate the bread. Unlike the 'brainy' or consistent-to-a-fault libertarians, the TP was more 'heart' or action oriented, and is the inconsistent side of the liberty movement. it senses something is wrong, but does not apply a systematic embrace of liberty to fight it. That's why Gregory's critique is correct. What the Libertarian sites, from LRC to AWC, have actually been guilty of in needlessly narrowing the base, is refusing to openly embrace 9-11 truth, tax honesty, birthers, or any other subject (besides anti-war, or end the Fed) that the mainstream derides. These issues would have given the TP a backbone of unique issues, making them less vulnerable to being compromised. If the real TP can rebooted, it has to hitch its wagon to the array of issues of the liberty movement, not those of the GOP leadership.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: chris jones on June 11, 2011, 07:28:51 pm
  One movement long long ago, was in my oppinion 99% on the level.
  Vietnam Vets against the war.(non political, non Gov)
  Sure there are allways those sukling opportunist leaching, Lil Johny Kerry being one who was with us, we didn't along well, I had met some of his former crew, I knew his game.
  That asside, any movement of a political nature have been and allways will be infiltrated, when the base of a movement in overshadowed by these faces-actors-pols-the raw level of its origins  can be slanted. SOP
   
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Goldman on June 12, 2011, 04:25:46 pm
I have some assoication with 9-12er and Tea Party people and if this comes up I am going to use your responses, thank you.
Title: Re: Why the "Tea Party" movement has become a sick, pathetic joke!
Post by: swimreferee on June 13, 2011, 10:38:45 am
This sounds like the influence of Newt Gingrich. Remember, he created his "Contract with America" in 1995 (I think was the year)! We know he has influence with the Tea Party TAKEOVER group, and he promoted Sarah Palin to take it over  also.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=789

 ::)

In hindsight Gingrich really meant a Contract ON America instead of a Contract with America! (He must have mis-spoke)  ???
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on June 13, 2011, 11:03:45 am
Their needless narrowing of the base is the correct observation, but the economic issues being the cause is the wrong analysis. The problem is the TP was NEVER in Austrian camp to begin with, and are only just now stepping their toe into antiwar waters as it stands. MOST of Ron Paul's emphasis is on an Austrian approach to economic issues, yet the TP has not been firmly associated with him. The emphasis of the group was on tax and spending restraint, without any firm (or even vague) intellectual grasp of the underlying principles of liberty as applied to the market. This lack of a base led to the incoherent agenda, that made the TP susceptible to being raided. Tax-and-spend austerity is standard "fiscal conservative" rhetoric, and absent a true alternate framework, was easy for Republicans to exploit.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that the mistake the original, non-partisan Tea Party made was in not narrowing its base enough to only that small percentage of the population who accept as divine gospel the anarcho-capitalist dogma of the privatize-everything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDMenqKCXdw) Austrian School.

If that is indeed the case, then all I can say is: good luck effecting meaningful change with that backwards approach, because you're going to need it.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: PeaceAndFreedom on June 14, 2011, 10:04:09 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that the mistake the original, non-partisan Tea Party made was in not narrowing its base enough to only that small percentage of the population who accept as divine gospel the anarcho-capitalist dogma of the privatize-everything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDMenqKCXdw) Austrian School.

If that is indeed the case, then all I can say is: good luck effecting meaningful change with that backwards approach, because you're going to need it.

The growing success of Austrian candidate Paul shows that the honest pro-constitution libertarian approach is not the problem. The problem was in the TP being manipulated into casting off the patriot movement issues that WERE the attraction point for the movement. Once woken up, it's easy (or much easier) to get people to re-orient towards a more radical vision of the role of government. Most people are otherwise prone to accept divine gospel the corporate-capitalist dogma of the mega-welfare state, including the backwards notions that there will always be infinite money around to pay for infinite subsidies. So long as the government tax and Fed policy is robbing Peter to pay Paul, or Mary Inc. or inflating the currency to do so, there absolutely will be no change.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Geolibertarian on June 14, 2011, 02:23:47 pm
The growing success of Austrian candidate Paul shows that the honest pro-constitution libertarian approach is not the problem. The problem was in the TP being manipulated into casting off the patriot movement issues that WERE the attraction point for the movement. Once woken up, it's easy (or much easier) to get people to re-orient towards a more radical vision of the role of government. Most people are otherwise prone to accept divine gospel the corporate-capitalist dogma of the mega-welfare state, including the backwards notions that there will always be infinite money around to pay for infinite subsidies. So long as the government tax and Fed policy is robbing Peter to pay Paul, or Mary Inc. or inflating the currency to do so, there absolutely will be no change.

So the Austrian School's brilliantly-conceived public relations message to the American people is: even if you want to abolish wage taxes, abolish sales taxes, abolish taxes on capital goods, abolish taxes on houses, buildings and other improvements, abolish prohibitively high licensing barriers, abolish ObamaCare, abolish corporate welfare, abolish corporate personhood, abolish compulsory school attendance laws, abolish gun control laws, abolish the Deparment of Homeland "Security," abolish the DEA, abolish the BATFE, abolish the CIA, abolish FEMA, and abolish the Department of "Education," you're STILL not welcome in the non-Republicanized Tea Party movement if you're either (a) a Greenbacker (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.0) instead of a Goldbug, or (b) a Georgist (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160421.0) who, as such, thinks America's Founders (http://savingcommunities.org/foundersplan/whyfounders.html) had the right idea when, in the Articles of Confederation, they called for deriving federal revenue from a tax levied upon "the value of all land within each State."

If you honestly think that that sort of ridiculously exclusionary approach to movement building is a recipe for "success," then you're in for a very rude awakening.

But don't take my word for it. By all means, find out the hard way.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: MartinSilenus1987 on June 18, 2011, 10:32:02 am
June 6, 2011

If you want to know if someone is serious about freedom, ask him about the last president, U.S. war, or major federal program that he admires. If he names anything from the last sixty years, he is obviously not serious about the short-term threat and long-term struggle for liberty.


John F. Kennedy
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on June 20, 2011, 05:28:47 pm
The Globalists want to wreck it all.

If only the TEA-Partiers would get in with the Constitution Party.

www.constitutionparty.com

www.believeinamerica.com
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: Rebelitarian on June 20, 2011, 06:50:51 pm
Ron Paul is still kicking ass in the straw polls with some guy named Huntsman coming in 2nd over the Globalist puppets.

Huntsman surprises in big GOP straw poll
By: CNN Political Reporter Peter Hamby


New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) - Jon Huntsman was a no-show at the Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans, but the former Utah governor raised eyebrows with a surprising second place in the conference’s 2012 presidential straw poll Saturday.

Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who delivered a fiery and well-attended speech here in Friday, continued his record of strong straw poll performances and won the vote outright with 612 votes. Huntsman came next with 382 votes.

Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, coming off an impressive debate performance on Monday in New Hampshire, finished in third place with 191 votes.

They were followed by pizza magnate Herman Cain (104 votes), former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (74 votes), former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (69 votes) and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (41 votes).

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum finished in eighth place with 30 votes. Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who did not speak at the conference, finished in a dismal ninth place with 18 votes.

Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson came in last with just 10 votes.

It was Huntsman’s surprising runner-up finish, though, that grabbed the most attention on Saturday when the results of the two-day vote were announced.

When he was booked as one of the speakers at the semi-annual event, there were questions about how Huntsman - who has broken with GOP orthodoxy on issues like climate change and same-sex civil unions - would be received among the conservative activists who typically attend such gatherings.

Huntsman, though, came down with a last minute cold this week and decided to skip the event. He dispatched his wife, Mary Kaye, to greet conference-goers in his stead.

And his strong finish in the straw poll might have gotten a boost from some behind-the-scenes work by his political team. Several of his political advisers, including John Weaver, Chris Allen, John Yob and Jake Suski, made the trip to New Orleans and were seen huddling with delegates at the riverfront hotel where the conference was held.

Miller attributed the win to the former ambassador to China’s economic message. He did not comment when asked if Huntsman advisers paid for their supporters to get to the ballot box.

“His willingness to take the debt crisis seriously and his foreign policy message really resonated with the younger conservatives who attended,” Miller said.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/18/huntsman-surprises-in-big-gop-straw-poll/
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: heavyhebrew on June 24, 2011, 12:33:41 am
At this point, I just want an honest person to step up and rationally explain what needs to be done and I know it will never come from Washington D.C.
I remember when the Campaign for Liberty began. I gave money for the first time for a political cause and was proud of it. Look what grew from its hijacking; nothing but an abomination controlled by financial elites mouthing words of fake patriotism, Ron Paul sidelined by slander from the fake left and ignored by the warmongers on the fake right and a chance for a new American awakening snuffed out by ignorant, emotional imbeciles.

We are beset on all sides by what appears a fundamental corruption at all levels of our polity. We have a soul sucking apathy in our citizenry. Always around us it seems people more interested in name calling and point scoring but never real solutions. And we fear taking the steps necessary to have a real correction for we fear by our actions causing what little we have left will be swept into a maelstrom of destruction.

We, you and I, need to be the men and women this time demands we be. We need to take action, we need to demand to be heard, we need to unite.
We will not be slaves for corporate greed. We will not submit to the wishes of madmen lost in the insanity of power and greed.
Our children's future demands it!
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: chris jones on June 26, 2011, 08:17:26 pm
At this point, I just want an honest person to step up and rationally explain what needs to be done and I know it will never come from Washington D.C.
I remember when the Campaign for Liberty began. I gave money for the first time for a political cause and was proud of it. Look what grew from its hijacking; nothing but an abomination controlled by financial elites mouthing words of fake patriotism, Ron Paul sidelined by slander from the fake left and ignored by the warmongers on the fake right and a chance for a new American awakening snuffed out by ignorant, emotional imbeciles.

We are beset on all sides by what appears a fundamental corruption at all levels of our polity. We have a soul sucking apathy in our citizenry. Always around us it seems people more interested in name calling and point scoring but never real solutions. And we fear taking the steps necessary to have a real correction for we fear by our actions causing what little we have left will be swept into a maelstrom of destruction.

We, you and I, need to be the men and women this time demands we be. We need to take action, we need to demand to be heard, we need to unite.
We will not be slaves for corporate greed. We will not submit to the wishes of madmen lost in the insanity of power and greed.
Our children's future demands it!
BUMPED.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: PeaceAndFreedom on June 26, 2011, 09:00:51 pm

We are beset on all sides by what appears a fundamental corruption at all levels of our polity. We have a soul sucking apathy in our citizenry. Always around us it seems people more interested in name calling and point scoring but never real solutions. And we fear taking the steps necessary to have a real correction for we fear by our actions causing what little we have left will be swept into a maelstrom of destruction.

We, you and I, need to be the men and women this time demands we be. We need to take action, we need to demand to be heard, we need to unite.
We will not be slaves for corporate greed. We will not submit to the wishes of madmen lost in the insanity of power and greed.
Our children's future demands it!

Agree entirely. But facing corruption needs resolve, self-discipline and intellectual coherency to prevail against the tide. To reiterate, verbatim, what was stated earlier about the TP (before things got misdirected), the emphasis of the group was on tax and spending restraint, without any firm (or even vague) intellectual grasp of the underlying principles of liberty as applied to the market. This lack of a base led to the incoherent agenda, that made the TP susceptible to being raided. Tax-and-spend austerity is standard "fiscal conservative" rhetoric, and absent a true alternate framework, was easy for Republicans to exploit.
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: MartinSilenus1987 on June 28, 2011, 07:38:06 am
Ron Paul is still kicking ass in the straw polls with some guy named Huntsman coming in 2nd over the Globalist puppets.
 

so who exactly are the globalist puppets?
Title: Re: Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!
Post by: MartinSilenus1987 on July 02, 2011, 06:08:39 am
So why is everyone so afraid to name names?