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Title: Wall Street Death Dealers Plan to Securitize Peoples Deaths
Post by: Optimus on September 07, 2009, 01:46:43 pm
Sunday, September 6, 2009
Wall Street To Securitize People’s Deaths?

The New York Times published a pretty creepy article on Saturday (September 5th). The article focuses on Wall Street’s new plan to make money. What’s so bad about Wall Street making money?

Well, their new plan is to buy life insurance plans from elderly and sick people for cash. The example that the New York Times gives is someone selling a million dollar policy for a $400,000 payout, but the payout amount would all depend on the seller’s life expectancy. These “life settlements” would then be bundled together to form bonds that can be sold to investors. The investors would start paying for the person’s policy from then on. When the person dies, the investors collect on the policy. Apparently, the faster the person dies, the more money the investors make. However, regardless of whether you die sooner or later, Wall Street firms will profit off of fees collected from creating the bonds and facilitating transactions. You could say that Wall Street is planning to “securitize” people’s lives (or deaths, as it may be) into a kind of CDO ( And we all know how great that whole CDO adventure played out for Wall Street, right? What could be dangerous about creating a similar class of financial products with sick people’s life expectancy as the focus?

Apparently, these type of “life settlement” investments aren’t new for banks. They already exist in a lot of portfolios. Whats new is the plan to securitize these “life settlements” and market them as a big-time asset class of their own. Keep in mind, this isn’t something banks are just talking about potentially doing. The Times states that Credit Suisse is “building a financial assembly line to buy large numbers of life insurance policies, package and resell them — just as Wall Street firms did with subprime securities.” Estimates are putting the market for this class of investment product at $500 Billion, according to the article. I don’t doubt it one bit. Considering how many people are losing their jobs or facing pay cuts and how high medical bills are these days, does anyone really doubt that there are a whole lot of elderly and sick people out there who would be eager to sell their life insurance policies for an immediate cash payout? Especially if they foresee a future inability to pay their premiums?

So whats the upside? Right now a lot of people just let their life insurance policies lapse. If they’re lucky they’ll still get a small payout but its usually not much compared to the premiums they’ve payed up to that point. Under this “life settlement” proposal, policy sellers get a bigger payout and eventually investors get their payout too. So insurance companies end up paying out on their policies more often than they do now. But, insurance companies could end up just raising rates and premiums to make up for the difference, which could end up leaving the average policyholder worse off. Wall Street profits. Insurance companies profit. The consumer pays up.

Still, its hard to really get that angry over a proposal like this. As I pointed out, these type of “life settlements” are already held in a lot of investment bank portfolios. And, who am I to say what kind of financial relationships elderly and sick people should or shouldn’t engage in?

But there are so many disturbing ramifications that come out of this proposal that I can’t help but be worried. The article mentions that investors lost out on these type of investments in the ’80s when people with AIDS ended up living longer thanks to new medications. It also mentions that risk managers are planning on diversifying these bonds based on illness type. If one bond happens to represent too many people who all have one type of illness, then that bond could prove to be unprofitable if a cure for that illness is ever discovered. Am I the only one who finds it disturbing that it’ll now be in the interest of some Wall Street investors for sick and old to people to die faster and for certain medications or medical procedures to be suppressed or kept inacessible to the public if they’re too successful at actually making people live longer? I mean, don’t some of these major banks also have large stakes in pharmaceutical and healthcare companies? Couldn’t that present a very serious and disturbing conflict of interest? The article doesn’t address these questions.

Then theres this:

    Goldman Sachs has developed a tradable index of life settlements, enabling investors to bet on whether people will live longer than expected or die sooner than planned. The index is similar to tradable stock market indices that allow investors to bet on the overall direction of the market without buying stocks.

So, not only will investors be making money when some people die but some investors will also be making money by simply placing bets on life expectancy in a kind of virtual market. Great. Thank God we bailed out these banks, otherwise they wouldn’t have been able to come up with these great investment products that will surely work to make America more economically competitive with the rest of the globe.

Seriously, how predatory can Wall Street get? Whats the thought process here? “I guess if the American consumer is too tapped out to buy our junk we’ll just reap profit from his death and place secondary bets on the over/under for his life expectancy”? I mean, people aren’t going to sell their policies for “life settlements” just because. Usually its because they have too much debt, lost their job or because they simply can’t afford the medical costs of staying alive otherwise. So the American consumer is really being squeezed for every last cent he can cough up here. All of this almost sounds like a slur a communist would attack American capitalism with (”Wall Street profits off of death!”) but its reality. I guess that’s how deranged and parasitical some aspects of American so-called “free enterprise” have gotten.
Welcome to the Brave New World, I guess? So let me know, how do you feel about this whole plan?

You can find the article here: ‘Wall Street Pursues Profit in Bundles of Life Insurance‘ (


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Title: Re: Wall Street Death Dealers Plan to Securitize Peoples Deaths
Post by: Lucian Solaris on September 07, 2009, 01:56:37 pm

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Title: Re: Wall Street Death Dealers Plan to Securitize Peoples Deaths
Post by: larsonstdoc on September 07, 2009, 02:36:22 pm

  The people on Wall Street never sleep so they can devise more schemes to separate people from their money.  CDO's are one of the reasons for the mess of the Fall of 2008.  By the way, the recession/depression isn't over yet.
Title: Re: Wall Street Death Dealers Plan to Securitize Peoples Deaths
Post by: HYDROGENPAL on September 07, 2009, 02:38:57 pm
this is old news. Go back to 1940's you'll find this true.  SO what if they make money here or their We have nothing to do with commerce.
Unless you strive to be a slave to others.
get over the ego of its my money.
Title: Re: Wall Street Death Dealers Plan to Securitize Peoples Deaths
Post by: luckee1 on September 07, 2009, 05:45:26 pm
Those sick RAT f**kS! 

This is gambling on the aged's lives or deaths as it were. 

Do we have an actuary in the forum?
Title: Re: Wall Street Death Dealers Plan to Securitize Peoples Deaths
Post by: Optimus on September 07, 2009, 08:09:48 pm
Those sick RAT f**kS! 

This is gambling on the aged's lives or deaths as it were. 

Do we have an actuary in the forum?

Betting on when the elderly and/or sick will die is sick, that's for sure!