***Lord Palmerston's Ghost picks Gov. Rick Perry to lead a new American Genocide

[Revolt426]

As a re-occuring phenomina in the U.S., i would like to address this issue shortly.

This has been planned for years , and the secession is part of the plan. The plan is to Break the United States into pieces.

The Plan has been derived by Bankers and Royalty in London, The Netherlands and Saudi Arabia with their collective moles in Wallstreet.

This is repeatative issue that has once caused a Civil War, that is always orchestrated the SAME EXACT WAY, and i will explain how, obviously to some people's disliking but it has to be said regardless.

It always starts with the Country going back on the Gold Standard. There is no denying this if you wish to go throug the Nations history of Un-Correctable Depressions, each was caused by the Gold Standard besides our Current one, which took twice as long to create because it was designed to be a Globalized Meltdown based on Privatized Central Banks.

What a Gold Standard does in reality, is it puts a CAP on production and population levels..... Contrary to some myths, an economy is driven by physical production, and the private sector is driven by the Nations underlying infrastructure. For example, a very specific example because we are witnessing the very same thing that occured in the mid 1800s known as the Civil War, which was an attempt by Lord Palmerston on behalf of the British Empire to cut the United States in half.

This began with Andrew Jackson enstating a Domestic Gold Standard, Coins or Convertable notes to compete with the State issued currency. People began purchasing the Gold Notes and using them for transactions - this resulted in the disintigration of the State issued currency which bankrupted many people in the Nation. Eventually, the Gold Convertable Notes were over-lent and a bubble was formed..... Followed by Martin Van Buren, who established Independent Treasuries to make loans in the name of the free markets, this bubble expanded and exploded in 1837 resulting in the Great Panic of 1837, a Depression that lasted nearly a Decade.

The reality of this Depresion is, the Nation never recovered. What happened was, the Government - being bankrupt and on the Gold Standard, was unable to issue currency for PRODUCTIVE means. That means building roadways, bridges and other infrastructure required for production and trade to function. As a population GROWS, the infrastructure must be MODERNIZED, or the population will fall into poverty. If the Currency circulation levels do not match the population on a Gold Standard...- you get deflation.. which means it is extremely hard to obtain currency.

The South was hit very hard by this and was very much de-undustrialized for it's time........ This unfortunately lead to the South becoming Dependent on Slave Labour with the HELP of the British and Dutch who were shipping them in via the East India Company and other Dutch Ships.

Over the next 20+ years the Nation was on the Gold Standard, and never recovered..... more and more the South became dependent on Slave Labour to produce capital. The British eventually sent in Agents such as Confederate General Albert Pike and other infiltraitors on behalf of Lord Palmerston, who was ready to attack Lincoln's army on a whim if Robert E. Lee won certain battles. Lord Palmerston also made free trade agreements with the South to purchase low priced Cotton from Slave Labour without tariffs , which is the real reason why they began seceeding. They did not want a protective tariff because they were dependent on the Dutch and the British to function economically.

When Abraham Lincoln came to office, numerous states seceeded from the Union - this was going according to the British Plan to cut the Nation in Half. The Nation was 100% BANKRUPT and unable to fund the war, or build anything because the Gold Standard did not provide the necessary currency to expand the economy.

Lincoln took the Gold Standard down, and Revived the Greenback and issued them directly into Infrastructure projects. His projects were in the form of Science Driver economics, which was the Intercontinental Railway and Agriculture Science... These are essentially low or zero interest federal loans in which the Government provides currency to build something then recovers it when it is built.

As Lincoln began his projects, more states began seceeding from the Union under British lead agents and this became a tremendous problem. The British controlled confederacy attempted to assassinate Lincoln numerous times , Lincoln however had balls of steel and was not afraid at all. His biography is quite incredible.

Anyway, we all know what happened during the Civil War, but it is often unsaid that the entire war was orchestrated by the British Empire. Eventually, Czar Nicholas the Second of Russia sent his Navy to Block any BRITISH attempt ( yes, Russia has ALWAYS been our ALLY) to intervene in the Civil War.

After the war was won, Lincolns greenback had modest inflation because it was funded by the credit of the United States as opposed to borrowing from other Nations, HOWEVER - His Intercontinental Railway and other infrastructure/science driver investments paved the way for an economic boom.

The Railway in particular freed us from British Controlled Trade and i will explain the idea behind this. In the 19th Century, the British Empire was a MARITIME empire, meaning they operated by NAVAL POWER. There was no Nation on the planet that could match British Naval Power alone.......

This meant they controlled the NAVAL trade routes which the U.S. had been depending on prior to the railways completion.. and this was the primary reason Lincoln was assassinated.

His Intercontinental Railway allowed the United States, with it's own Sovereign Currency, to bypass British controlled trade routes with high speed , Nation Wide Transport. This obviously cut costs and sped transport up massively........ Things like this SPUR economies. Things like Hydro-Electric Dams, Bridges and Waterways in the 1930's SPUR economies.......

Without an underlying infrastructure, you cannot have a productive modernized economy with any decent living standards because you would end up on the local barter system.

Therefor, Lincoln's victory over the British during the Civil War was not of Matmatical economics, but of SCIENTIFIC ECONOMICS

So i would advocate everyone to be very weary, this is being setup on the model of the Civil War, our country has been De-industrialized by a Private Central Bank that can act beyond Congressional Appropriations and issues currency via loans to other banks rather then direct issuence into infrastructure like Lincolns Greenback Model.

Do not blame the Greenback for the currenct crisis, because we do not have a Greenback. We have a FEDERAL RESERVE BACK, which is nothing of the sort. Since the Death of Franklin Roosevent and the Death of JFK, Currency has not been issued via Federal Lending into infrastructure but rather printing and loaning from one private bank to other private banks to do whatever they want with.

A currencies value is determined by the Nations ability to produce and Transport goods that other nations wish to purchase. After the Intercontinental Railway was completed, as i said we had an economic boom. This was a direct result of that railway and economic policy. The current situation is, all of the private banks are BANKRUPT, so it is required that to preserve current population levels, the nations infrastructure be rebuilt and modernized to match the populations needs to produce and transport physical goods that other nations wish to purchase. When other nations purchase these goods, they sell their currency and purchase our currency to buy them, this makes our currency stronger.... Gold does not do the trick in these regards...

[Elvis]

... I suggest that you sit down, and listen to this, from the beginning to the end... every word, every call, and every guest...
http://www.ajpfiles.com/February2009/Alex%20Jones%202%2016%202009.mp3
JTCoyoté

The Alex Jones Show - Monday 2/16/09

[Elvis]

Do not blame the Greenback for the currenct crisis, because we do not have a Greenback. We have a FEDERAL RESERVE BACK, which is nothing of the sort. Since the Death of Franklin Roosevent and the Death of JFK, Currency has not been issued via Federal Lending into infrastructure but rather printing and loaning from one private bank to other private banks to do whatever they want with.

Thanks Revolt, tied it up in a way I can understand.

[JTCoyoté]

Constitutional currency, debt free currency/treasury notes, was one of the greatest things that Lincoln did... With it, the Greenback, he successfully preserved the Union... and would have preserved the Constitution as well had he not been killed... The Greenbacks were issued and renewed clear up until 1994 when Congress knuckled under to the FED, and they were replaced by DEBT.

--Oldyoti

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress
and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but
to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
--Abraham Lincoln

[JTCoyoté]

It would be really helpful to me, as there a tremendous amount of information in this thread, if you could post a bullet pointed summary of all the major points that you'd like the reader to take away.  I'm sure there are more out there who are coming to this issues without your background and experience and it would be great if everyone can sure to take-away a solid understanding of the important issues.

I am working on your suggested list now and will post it here when I'm finished...

--Oldyoti

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress
and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but
to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
--Abraham Lincoln

[jkm1864]

Then you'll lose all the protections of the organic Constitution.  Are you prepared to deal with Mexico again?

You sir know nothing about Texas do You. I would bet money on a war between Mexico and Texas. The outcome would be Mexico= 0 & Texas= 2. Mexico can't even handle the drug cartels what makes You think they can handle a bunch of Texas volunteers hell bent on kicking Mexican ass.

[Anti Federalist]

JT,

While I appreciate your points, as I've said before, I'm still not convinced. (and that is also with a full understanding of what a snake Perry is)

The reason why is quite simple: the 10th amendment effort and argument is quite sound, fully logical, with legal and historical precedent to back it up.

You are a powerful speaker and adept writer that makes your points eloquently and concisely.

Now, will you please go and convince that miserable pack of treasonous rat bastards in the District of Criminals?

"They" own the courts, they own the system, they are not following the Constitution in any meaningful way, so what makes you think they would honor the 10th amendment any more than they honor the other 9?

The American people rose up with one voice against the "bailouts" in numbers larger than had ever been recorded before.

Result: we were ignored, completely and totally.

Now, as more states resolve to assert their 10th amendment sovereignty, as states like Montana and now Alaska, move to kick the feds out of firearm regulations, what do you suppose the response will be from the feds, "Oh dear me, so sorry, we'll go away now and leave you be to your own affairs"?

Of course not, as the movement grows, they will use every means at their disposal to thwart it, including false flag terrorism and direct military conflict. They will move to crush any state or group of states that even hint at the idea of reasserting their rights under the 10th amendmet.

So what then? Fight them? Give up? You're living in a fantasy world if you think it could be resolved favorably in the controlled courts, or that you could get some of the "mega population" states to sign on as well. New Jersey? New York? Illinois? Kalifornia? I'm sorry, but I can't ever see them signing on to something like this, and without them you lose roughly half the US population, which means you have no "populist" backing for the effort.

I agree that the NWO is playing both sides against the middle here, I'm also convinced that small, free, independent nation states are the bane of the NWO's existence. Everything in their playbook points to just the opposite, larger and larger "mega states" and transnational unions leading to the final world governing body of supranational elites running the entire planet.

I have 300 years of family history here in the United States, I am tied to this nation's history as much or more so than anybody else.

That being said, I hold, now, no particular allegiance to our current flag, borders or government. My only allegiance is to the ideals of human freedom in the founding documents of this nation.

The current regime does not value nor abide by those documents, the contract is broken, has been broken for many years now. The 10th amendment is part of that contract and is just as broken and non binding as the rest of it. The system is now making it very clear it intends to wage war against those who question this broken contract. Just like in the early days of the struggle for independence the first time, the vast majority of the population is in favor of this war, looking to people like us as dangerous radicals.

I see no other way but to walk away from the broken contract, declare political "bankruptcy" and start over.

And just like in bankruptcy or divorce, it will be messy and unpleasant with many uncertainties.

That just goes with the territory.

 

[JTCoyoté]

You sir know nothing about Texas do You. I would bet money on a war between Mexico and Texas. The outcome would be Mexico= 0 & Texas= 2. Mexico can't even handle the drug cartels what makes You think they can handle a bunch of Texas volunteers hell bent on kicking Mexican ass.

You not only drink Cool-Aid, but your sports analogizing here, as if the scenario is like some kind of football game, bespeaks your lack of understanding of the whole picture... It has little to do with Texas, or Mexico, or drug cartels, or any "rah-rah-rah" bravado...

If you are going to drink that crap, at least use un-fluoridated water to make it with, okay...?

JTCoyoté

"The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency
and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government
and the buying power of consumers."
~Abraham Lincoln

[a ReVoLuTIONarY ideA]

Full scale civil war = NWO victory.  The NWO shills will then scream for the NAU because it will be in our best interests...of course...
After a massive civil war most people will buy into it.

No state should secede from the Union.  The NWO wants us to make the first mistake, so they can play us off as the aggressors and rally America against the secession.  We need to wait for them to make the first mistake.  We need our own "Boston Massacre".  All it would take is one person killed by the riot police in front of the White House or something.  One little accident like that could be blown way out of proportion by us and used as the first domino.  Every cause needs its own rallying cry.

[JTCoyoté]

I will answer your points within the body of your post in colored type.

JT,

While I appreciate your points, as I've said before, I'm still not convinced. (and that is also with a full understanding of what a snake Perry is)

The reason why is quite simple: the 10th amendment effort and argument is quite sound, fully logical, with legal and historical precedent to back it up.

You are a powerful speaker and adept writer that makes your points eloquently and concisely.

Now, will you please go and convince that miserable pack of treasonous rat bastards in the District of Criminals?

No single individual is going to convince the traitors in Washington DC. However, 1 or 2 million well-informed individual's on a mission from around the country who are vocal, and will articulate the reality of this movement to their state legislators, WILL!

"They" own the courts, they own the system, they are not following the Constitution in any meaningful way, so what makes you think they would honor the 10th amendment any more than they honor the other 9?

Like Jackson told Marshall... "you made the ruling, now you enforce it." The point being that as this movement grows, as more people become aware of it, and connect it as the solution for all of the problems that are being pushed down upon us by our federal oppressors, the movement will grow even larger... let them try to enforce their BS. 50,000 people active in each state, is only 2 1/2 million people, yet 20 times larger in number than they.

There is no question that the federal government is in breach of the Constitution. This has been known for decades, it isn't a question of whether or not they will honor it, for Christ's sake we know they WON'T honor it. But what they do is unlawful!! If we break the Constitution as well, does that 2nd wrong heal the wound?? Does it make it easier for us once we have shone a light upon them to prosecute them... if we are as guilty as they..?

No it does not! We must remain resolute, we the people of the United States, must remain United in the contract we made between US.. as STATES!!  We have no contract with the federal agent. In our STATES CONTRACT The Constitution, we created the Federal agent, and it is therefore powerless against us when we are united against IT!!!!!. THE Only enemy we have are those who would divide us, causing some of us to dive into the "demon-hell-pit-of-the-damned" called succession.

The American people rose up with one voice against the "bailouts" in numbers larger than had ever been recorded before.

Result: we were ignored, completely and totally.

Yes/NO... but on April 15th millions got together and protested the unlawful contract with the foreign banks... That had the bastards backpedaling big time, and even forced the showing of their perversion by calling it "Tea Bagging." Now they're spinning it as racism... but everyone who was involved in a Tea Party knows that is untrue... so the media reveals itself as the tool it is of the global banking cartel.

Now, as more states resolve to assert their 10th amendment sovereignty, as states like Montana and now Alaska, move to kick the feds out of firearm regulations, what do you suppose the response will be from the feds, "Oh dear me, so sorry, we'll go away now and leave you be to your own affairs"?

Of course it will be sabre rattling, it will again attempt to overshadow US as being inspired by racist sentiments... But again everyone involved will know that this is not true... but again the media is creating false impressions out of whole cloth to cover the truth... and with each lie they tell, they will further alienate their words and their images, away from the truth... They will be seen again as the media stooge for the New World Order that they are and more will have awakened as a result.

Of course not, as the movement grows, they will use every means at their disposal to thwart it, including false flag terrorism and direct military conflict. They will move to crush any state or group of states that even hint at the idea of reasserting their rights under the 10th amendmet.

Of course they will attempt, as they have to past to demonize the movement, but it will be more difficult now, because there are so many millions more that are awake and involved, and as people read and digest chat forums like this one, the number will grow even larger... exponentially... with each new person who understands.  

The reason the banksters have taken all the money offshore, is because they are getting ready to flee... and we must be prepared to exercise the old common-law maxim... that possession is 9/10 of the law.

So what then? Fight them? Give up? You're living in a fantasy world if you think it could be resolved favorably in the controlled courts, or that you could get some of the "mega population" states to sign on as well. New Jersey? New York? Illinois? Kalifornia? I'm sorry, but I can't ever see them signing on to something like this, and without them you lose roughly half the US population, which means you have no "populist" backing for the effort.

The 10th amendment state sovereignty resolution, stands above the federal courts, which were created after the Civil War. They hold no constitutional jurisdiction... they were created primarily to enforce corporate and tax law. As people in the more populous states, start feeling the pinch caused by the multi-trillion dollar bank heist, they will be ready to sign on... give them six months, they will all be good constitutionalists by then... I can guarantee it.

I agree that the NWO is playing both sides against the middle here, I'm also convinced that small, free, independent nation states are the bane of the NWO's existence. Everything in their playbook points to just the opposite, larger and larger "mega states" and transnational unions leading to the final world governing body of supranational elites running the entire planet.

You obviously have not been reading the New World order playbook... division is what they do... it is easy to take over a very small state that has no backing... it is their method, it's called Balkanization... and right now they are in the process of dividing Iraq, a country smaller than the state of Texas, into three parts.

Secessionists, those people you have been listening to for several years now I presume, have created this idea that 50 small states, making alliances with their border states in small packets of 4 or 5 states, can somehow defeat the New World order... pipe dreams and BULLSH!T. It was the same rhetoric sold to the south... it didn't work then, and it god-dam*ed well won't work now.

I have 300 years of family history here in the United States, I am tied to this nation's history as much or more so than anybody else.

That being said, I hold, now, no particular allegiance to our current flag, borders or government. My only allegiance is to the ideals of human freedom in the founding documents of this nation.

The current regime does not value nor abide by those documents, the contract is broken, has been broken for many years now. The 10th amendment is part of that contract and is just as broken and non binding as the rest of it. The system is now making it very clear it intends to wage war against those who question this broken contract. Just like in the early days of the struggle for independence the first time, the vast majority of the population is in favor of this war, looking to people like us as dangerous radicals.

My European ancestors landed here in 1684... my American Indian ancestors, and there are many of them, have been here much longer. That's all beside the point however. You have to ask yourself now, how well do I actually know the governmental processes that my 300 years of ancestry has lived under.

Like I said before, your attitude is that of one who is ready to leave his house, because he is upset with his lawyer... but you don't see that analogy, because you see the federal government as being larger than that which it is attempting to lord over... The Constitution is between the states, the federal government is a fu*king incidental, that has specific power's only... that are spelled out on one small part of one page of the Constitution titled: Article 1 section 8.

Where do you think they get their money..? Where do you think they get their soldiers, the bodies that they throw into the fiery hell of war? Are you a sovereign individual citizen of one of the United States of America, or are you one of those who are afraid of the paper tiger, the "United States Inc. District of Colombia?" Get on one side or the other soon.

I see no other way but to walk away from the broken contract, declare political "bankruptcy" and start over.

And just like in bankruptcy or divorce, it will be messy and unpleasant with many uncertainties.

That just goes with the territory.

Your analogy is all wrong here, the contract is not broken, since the contract is between the States and we are all still together. Your fear of bankruptcy is based upon Fiat currency, which is 99.99% usury interest. But because of your particular affinity for the idea of secession, and your hatred of Lincoln, you refuse to see how he eliminated this problem... the monetary problem for financing the war... and his solution will work today to get us out of this mess.

It will make all those trillions of fake dollars that have been moved offshore by the international bankers worthless, in and from the American market. All it requires is that you believe in the FACT that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, is a solemn contract between the States that can force even the most rogue, of rascally, rotten, raunchy, bastard agents... to flee like cockroaches when the lights are turned on. Otherwise, secession is the briar patch, and the New World Order is Brer Rabbit.

Your analogy of a divorce is also wrong, because all of the states as you are seeing, all 50 partners, are moving each day closer to unanimity. But you and the other secessionists wish to divide, to create a divorce, further involving the agent... the federal lawyer... the present federal government. Not realizing that it's the federal government that we are all trying to get rid of which requires only unanimity.

 If you do not understand this now, I fear you never will... or you do understand and you are just fixated on some phantasmagorical idea of how wonderful it would be to fight a/the Civil War.

Your wife gets it... I wish the heck you would... because this is time consuming... I've had to explain this to you again, your same question your same doubts... please take the time to rationalize and understand what is being said here... it is really simple actually, as all true solutions end up being.

JTCoyoté

" Right after the Civil War there was considerable talk about reviving
Lincoln's brief experiment with the Constitutional monetary system.
Had not the European money-trust intervened, it would have no doubt
become an established institution."
~W. Cleon Skousen,
   Historian

[donnay]

Yes, I do get it and I think there is always room for debate on both sides to help give people a broader scope and a better understanding of the pros and cons of Secession Vs. 10th Amendment Sovereignty Movement--that is what the "infowars" are all about!  Keeping the dialog open is what educates.

Here are the words of Ron Paul on this very subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvliy8rEJDQ&feature=player_embedded

[donnay]

You sir know nothing about Texas do You. I would bet money on a war between Mexico and Texas. The outcome would be Mexico= 0 & Texas= 2. Mexico can't even handle the drug cartels what makes You think they can handle a bunch of Texas volunteers hell bent on kicking Mexican ass.

First off, I am Ma'am.  I beg to differ on all counts.  I lived in Texas for 23 years--and considered a transplanted Texan where I live now.  I know all about Dallas and the corrupt Good Ol' Boys and I know about the entrenched corruption statewide---remember WACO?  I do know Texas history; the Mission San Jose, the Alamo was built in 1724 and Battle of San Jacinto. That being said, I also know that breaking away from the Union will leave Texans to defend themselves to an all-out invasion of Mexico--once again.  Texas is already burdened with the influx of illegal Mexicans.  As I said earlier, sir, are you prepared to deal with Mexico again?  Those who do know study history are DOOMED to repeat it...

[Anti Federalist]

JT Coyote' wrote:

give them six months, they will all be good constitutionalists by then... I can guarantee it.

That's a bold statement friend.

I'm going to hold you to it, and re-address this again in six months.

JT Coyote' wrote:

If you do not understand this now, I fear you never will... or you do understand and you are just fixated on some phantasmagorical idea of how wonderful it would be to fight a/the Civil War

I understand JT, I just don't agree.

This is going to come down to a fight, no matter which way we go.

There will come a time when the "rubber will meet the road" and we, all of us, will have to put up or shut up.

That is not what I want, that is not what I am pushing for, that is what we are being pushed into.

JT Coyote' wrote:

Your wife gets it... I wish the heck you would... because this is time consuming

This created a rather heated argument between us, as a matter of fact.

Look, I've made my points, I have no desire to beat a dead horse, take up any more of your time, nor get into a flame war with you that will end up with me getting banned.

We'll see what happens.

[thru the matrix]

Have you seen this?

Alex Jones is promoting the state’s sovereignty movement and I will soon explain why this is so dangerous.
http://www.freepressinternational.com/2009/02/alex-jones-exposed/

Alex Jones is promoting the state’s sovereignty movement and I will soon explain why this is so dangerous.

Alex and I both had public access television shows in Austin, Texas. I started in 1988 and Alex started his show in 1993, I believe. I won’t go into detail, but Alex copied what I was doing and then back stabbed me.

Alex is either a fraud or very misinformed.

The state’s sovereignty movement is a key part of the takeover of America.

It’s called divide and conquer.

The real problem is corrupt federal, state and local governments.

The state governments are conspiring with the federal government to divide America!!!

In order to save America, we must stand united.

The solution is to become active and stop this rampant corruption within our federal, state, and local governments.

Be sure and watch Alex back peddle on his stance in the next few days.
www.prisonplanet.com

Unless you hear these words come out of Alex Jones mouth - “The state governments are conspiring with the federal government to divide America!!!” - He can’t be trusted.

Most of what Alex is talking about is the truth. I can say this because he learned it from me and Jeff Davis.(another TV host) I learned a great deal from Jeff Davis.

In these times the only person one can trust is yourself.

Greg Ericson
Free Press International

[JTCoyoté]

AF & Donnay,

I'm very sorry if I was the source of a spat, that certainly wasn't my intent. I think in the long run however, depending upon how the media spins it, the large population centers will either go for secession, or they will go for Union. Most likely the demarcation will be the Mississippi River with one or two stragglers on either side. And it will begin the breaking up of America, slowly through violence and civil war we will become the 10 federal districts laid out in the CIA documents leaked in the 1960s.

In the video you link to, Dr. Paul makes a couple of statements that are not entirely true. First off he speaks of the secession by the Colonies from England... what he doesn't say is that there would have been no secession had it not been unanimous among the Colonies. There was much debate on the wisdom of declaring independence by a mere majority or even a 3/4 vote, however, the president of the Continental Congress at the time John Hancock, maintained that the vote would have to be unanimous, His reasoning was that otherwise it would rapidly degenerate from a war for independence from England to a civil war between colonies. Secession from unconstitutional control of our rogue federal government would also have to be unanimous.

My last sentence is a very strange sentence... because the states do not need to secede from the Union to dissolve the rogue federal government, that power already resides in LAW with the 10th Amendment. It is clear that the federal government we have today is an unconstitutional foreign power, controlled by foreign banks, it is not our lawful, constitutional federal government, it is an usurper. This can be demonstrated by merely reading article 1 section 8 of the Constitution which lays out the totality of constitutional federal powers.

Those who wish to secede from the Union of States outside the Constitution, have every right to break the constitutional agreement with the other states, and attempt to make it on their own. It will ultimately lead to their having to join voluntarily or by force the global corporate system though, without benefit of the Constitution and it's protections.

We either use the 9th & 10th amendments, by constitutional process, which requires only three quarters of the states, to remove the federal power from its present position as dictatorial tyrant, or we must unanimously secede, hoping and praying that the liberties codified in the Constitution will survive in tact.

It will be a lot easier to get three quarters of the states to affect 10th Amendment constitutional process, than it will be to get the same number of states to secede together let alone the number of states required for "successful secession"... which is 100%

I was up until five o'clock this morning working on the post above, as well as some 10th amendment bullet points... and moderating a rash of late night schills over on prison planet.com ....... When I was working at the state capitol here in Colorado with Representative Charles Duke back on '94, pushing to get the 10th amendment state sovereignty resolution passed, we spent many hours in conversation and discussion trying to anticipate all possible efforts that could come against us. At that time, and as events proved, and as borne out in the time frame from 1859 through 1861, the greatest enemy of the Constitutional 10th Amendment reaffirmation and utilization process was the movement for secession.

Nothing has changed, not since 1860, and not since the floor debates in the joint Houses, and Committee rooms of the Colorado State Legislature in 1994, the greatest enemy of the 10th amendment sovereignty resolution movement, the power it gives the states to interpret and purify all federal amendments and statutes for constitutionality... is Secession! And by the division caused by a movement toward secession, all will be lost because of the impatience and constitutional ignorance of the average American.

When I took sick, in late June of 2008, rushed to the emergency room with a potentially fatal blood clot, that required constant monitoring, injections of heparin in my abdomen twice a day, oral blood thinners, and I was flat on my back for almost 4 months. My only solace was a laptop, and getting as much information out about the 10th amendment as I could. Our insurance unfortunately would not cover even one third of it. Thus all of our savings was depleted. My wife and daughter worked hard as they attempted valiantly to pick up the slack, and I've only been able to work a little since December. But it is all too little too late. Our home has been on the market since early February, but its value is less than three quarters of what we owe in this falling market... from the hearing coming on April 27th, the bank will take it back on June 19th... Taking some time off now... I too am tired of beating a dead horse!

JTCoyoté

"I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do as he
 pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far as it in
no way interferes with any other men's rights."
~ Abraham Lincoln

[jimwill]

When I took sick, in late June of 2008, rushed to the emergency room with a potentially fatal blood clot, that required constant monitoring, injections of heparin in my abdomen twice a day, oral blood thinners, and I was flat on my back for almost 4 months. My only solace was a laptop, and getting as much information out about the 10th amendment as I could. Our insurance unfortunately would not cover even one third of it. Thus all of our savings was depleted. My wife and daughter worked hard as they attempted valiantly to pick up the slack, and I've only been able to work a little since December. But it is all too little too late. Our home has been on the market since early February, but its value is less than three quarters of what we owe in this falling market... from the hearing coming on April 27th, the bank will take it back on June 19th... Taking some time off now... I too am tired of beating a dead horse!

Dangit!!! (and I am almost to the point of using the other term!)

If I wasn't so strapped for cash I would be willing to contribute to a money bomb for you! We need your input here! And I'm sure you wife and daughter need you even more!

SOMEONE START A MONEY BOMB FOR JT!

[Dig]

Hopefully the new title will help expose the true wizards behind the scenes of this coordinated attempt to exterminate millions of American citizens by the British Crown.

Just like before (except it was 600,000). Now they want millions sacrificed for their rites of insanity.

The British Crown (and admittedly Danish Crown) have identified the genocidal maniac Rick Perry to lead the call of completely destroying the US.

[Dig]

The whole reason for the Civil War was essentially a De-Facto war with the British Empire during it's exisistance at that period in time.

Prime Minister of Britain, Lord Palmerston was attempting to cut the United States in half by promoting the Confederacy, funding them, offering them Free Trade agreements and Military advisors. People must remember that until the aftermath of World War 2, Britain and the US were arch nemisis'.

infact, Palmerston was ready to assist the confederacy with actual British Military at one point if one of Lee's Battles with the North Resulted in victory for the Confederacy. Palmerston was also assisting the Dutch in shipping slaves to the Confederacy, with East India Company like tacticts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Temple,_3rd_Viscount_Palmerston#American_Civil_War

Lord Palmerston
American Civil War
Lord Palmerston's sympathies in the American Civil War (1861-5) were with the secessionist Southern Confederacy of pro-slavery states. Although a professed opponent of the slave trade and slavery, he also had a deep life-long hostility towards the United States and believed that a dissolution of the Union would weaken the United States (and therefore enhance British power) and that a southern Confederacy "would afford a valuable and extensive market for British manufactures".[7]

At the beginning of the Civil War Britain had issued a proclamation of neutrality on 13 May 1861. Lord Palmerston decided to recognise the Confederacy as a belligerent and to receive their unofficial representatives (although he decided against recognising the South as a sovereign state because he thought this would be premature). The United States Secretary of State, William Seward, threatened to treat any country which recognised the Southern separatists as a belligerent, as an enemy of the Union and the North. Lord Palmerston ordered that reinforcements be sent to Canada because he was convinced that the North would make peace with the South and then invade Canada. When news reached him of the Confederate victory at Bull Run in July 1861 he was very pleased, although 15 months later he wrote that "the American [Civil] War...has manifestly ceased to have any attainable object as far as the Northerns are concerned, except to get rid of some more thousand troublesome Irish and Germans. It must be owned, however, that the Anglo-Saxon race on both sides have shown courage and endurance highly honourable to their stock".[8] When news came of the Confederate defeat at the Battle of Antietam a week later, this made Palmerston reject Napoleon III of France's offer to recognise the Confederacy.[8] Palmerston continued to reject subsequent attempts by Confederate supporters to persuade him to recognise the South as he thought the military situation did not warrant it. The tide eventually turned in the United States' favour when the Confederacy was defeated in 1865.

After the seizure of the British ship Trent by a United States Navy vessel under Captain Charles Wilkes in November 1861 to prevent two Southern separatist diplomats making their way to Europe to campaign for support for the Confederacy against the United States, Lord Palmerston ordered the Secretary of State for War to send an extra 3,000 troops to Canada and demanded the release of the two diplomats. Lord Palmerston called Wilke's actions "a declared and gross insult" and in a letter to Queen Victoria on 5 December 1861 he said, "Great Britain is in a better state than at any former time to inflict a severe blow upon and to read a lesson to the United States which will not soon be forgotten."[9] In another letter to his Foreign Secretary the next day, he expected there was going to be war between Britain and the North:

It is difficult not to come to the conclusion that the rabid hatred of England which animates the exiled Irishmen who direct almost all the Northern newspapers, will so excite the masses as to make it impossible for Lincoln and Seward to grant our demands; and we must therefore look forward to war as the probable result.[9]

However, the United States of America's government decided to hand back the prisoners. Lord Palmerston was convinced that the reinforcements he had sent to Canada had persuaded the North to acquiesce.

Lord Palmerston received a law officer's report he had commissioned on 29 July 1862 which advised him to detain the CSS Alabama because it was being built for the South in the port of Birkenhead and it was therefore a breach of Britain's neutrality. Further, the cotton famine in industrial regions of the North was beginning to bite, just at the time when British popular opinion was starting to harden against the Confederates. The ship had left the port after the order had been sent on the 31 July but departed too soon for it to be detained, and it went on to damage Northern shipping. The United States government accused the British government of complicity in the construction of the ship and, in the so-called Alabama claims, demanded damages from Britain. Lord Palmerston refused to pay damages or to refer the dispute to arbitration. It was not until after his death that his successor (Gladstone) agreed to these demands and paid the United States $15,500,000 in gold as damages.


[edit] Electoral victory and death
Lord Palmerston won another general election in July 1865, increasing his majority. He then had to deal with the outbreak of Fenian violence in Ireland. Lord Palmerston ordered the Viceroy of Ireland, Lord Wodehouse, to take drastic measures, including a possible suspension of trial-by-jury and a monitoring of Americans travelling to Ireland. He believed that the Fenian agitation was caused by America. On 27 September 1865 he wrote to the Secretary for War:

The American assault on Ireland under the name of Fenianism may be now held to have failed, but the snake is only scotched and not killed. It is far from impossible that the American conspirators may try and obtain in our North American provinces compensation for their defeat in Ireland.[10]

He advised that more armaments be sent to Canada and more troops sent to Ireland. During these last few weeks of his life, Lord Palmerston pondered on developments in foreign affairs. He began thinking of a new friendship with France as "a sort of preliminary defensive alliance" against America and looked forward to Prussia becoming more powerful as this would balance against the growing threat from Russia. In a letter to Russell he warned him that Russia "will in due time become a power almost as great as the old Roman Empire...Germany ought to be strong in order to resist Russian aggression."[11]

In early October Lord Palmerston caught a chill and a violent fever. His last words were, "That's Article 98; now go on to the next." (He was thinking about diplomatic treaties.)[12] Another apocryphal version of his last words is: "Die, my dear doctor. That is the last thing I shall do". He died at 10:45am on Wednesday, 18 October 1865 two days before his eighty-first birthday. Although Lord Palmerston wanted to be buried at Romsey Abbey, the Cabinet insisted that he should have a state funeral and be buried at Westminster Abbey, which he was, on 27 October 1865. He was the fourth person not royalty to be granted a state funeral (after Sir Isaac Newton, Lord Horatio Nelson, and Arthur Wellesley (the Duke of Wellington).

http://www.abjpress.com/tarpb3.html
Webster Tarpley:

A NEW ROMAN EMPIRE
It is 1850. Lord Palmerston is engaged in a campaign to make London the undisputed center of a new, worldwide Roman Empire. He is attempting to conquer the world in the way that the British have already conquered India, reducing every other nation to the role of a puppet, client, and fall-guy for British imperial policy. Lord Palmerston's campaign is not a secret. He has declared it here in the Houses of Parliament, saying that wherever in the world a British subject goes, he can flaunt the laws, secure that the British fleet will support him. "Civis Romanus sum, every Briton is a citizen of this new Rome," thundered Lord Palmerston, and with that, the universal empire was proclaimed. .....................

Shortly after that, the British will back Napoleon in his project of putting a Hapsburg archduke on the throne of an ephemeral Mexican Empire - the Maximilian Project. These projects will be closely coordinated with Palmerston's plans to eliminate the only two nations still able to oppose him - the Russia of Alexander II and the United States of Abraham Lincoln. Lord Palmerston will be the evil demiurge of the American Civil War, the mastermind of secession, far more important for the Confederacy than Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee. And in the midst of that war, Palmerston will detonate a rebellion in Poland against Russian rule, not for the sake of Poland, but for the sake of starting a general European war against Russia.

But when the Russian fleets sail into New York and San Francisco, when Lee's wave breaks at Gettysburg, when the Stars and Bars are lowered over Vicksburg, the British Empire will be stopped - just short of its goal. Just short - and yet, British hegemony will still be great enough to launch the two world wars of the twentieth century, and the third conflagration that will start in 1991. And as we look forward for a century and a half from 1850, British geopolitics, despite the challenges, despite the defeats, despite the putrefaction of Britain itself, will remain the dominant factor in world affairs.

PALMERSTON'S THREE STOOGES

How do the British do it? How can a clique of depraved aristocrats on this tight little island bid to rule the entire world? Don't believe the stories about the workshop of the world; there are some factories here, but Britain lives by looting the colonies. The fleet is formidable, but also overrated, and very vulnerable to serious challenges. The army is third-rate. But the British have learned from the Venetians that the greatest force in history is the force of ideas, and that if you can control culture, you can control the way people think, and then statesmen and fleets and armies will bend to your will.

Take our friend Lord Palmerston. Pam has the Foreign Office, the Home Office, and Whitehall, but when he needed to start the 1848 revolutions, or when the time will come for the American Civil War, he turns to a troika of agents. They are Lord Palmerston's Three Stooges. But instead of Moe, Larry, and Curly, these Three Stooges are named Giuseppe Mazzini, Louis Napoleon Bonaparte, and David Urquhart. These Three Stooges - far more than the Union Jack, Victoria, the bulldog breed, the thin gray line of heroes, and the fleet - are the heart of what is called the British Empire.

We will get to know Lord Palmerston's Three Stooges better. But first, one thing must be understood. Moe, Larry, and Curly often had to work together on this or that project. But their relations were never exactly placid. [Slapstick episode from a "The Three Stooges" movie is shown to the audience.] You understand: Their stock in trade was infantile violence. So do not be surprised if we find Palmerston's Three Stooges lashing out with slanders, knives, and bombs against each other, and even against their august master, Lord Palmerston himself.

Under Lord Palmerston, England supports all revolutions - except her own - and the leading revolutionary in Her Majesty's Secret Service is Giuseppe Mazzini, our first Stooge. ..........................

Mazzini's American contacts are either proto- Confederates or strict abolitionists, such as William Lloyd Garrison. During the American Civil War, Mazzini will favor both the abolition of slavery and the destruction of the Union through secessionism - the London line. This subversion will be showcased during the famous tour of Kossuth in the United States, next year and the year after. Kossuth will be accompanied by Mazzini's moneybags, the Tuscan Freemason Adriano Lemmi. On the eve of the Crimean War, with Palmerston doing everything to isolate Russia, Kossuth's line will be that the "tree of evil and despotism" in Europe "is Russia." Kossuth will try to blame even the problems of Italy on Russia. Despite Kossuth's efforts, the United States will emerge as the only power friendly to Russia during the Crimean conflict. Kossuth will call for the United States to join with England and France in war against Russia - Lord Palmerston's dream scenario.

Kossuth will refuse to call for the abolition of slavery. Kossuth will get on well with the slaveholders, since he will also be attempting to mediate a U.S. seizure of Cuba, which meshes perfectly with the secessionist program.

Mazzini is the zookeeper for all of these theme parks. But there are other zookeepers, and still more theme parks in the human, multicultural zoo. The custodians are Palmerston's two other Stooges, David Urquhart and Napoleon III.

[Weasel]

Perry was a cheer leader at Texas A&M and he is still going rah rah when told to.

[Dig]

Perry was a cheer leader at Texas A&M and he is still going rah rah when told to.

wait, what? like Goerge Bush? this cannot be good

[Elvis]

Have you seen this?
"Alex Jones is promoting the state’s sovereignty movement and I will soon explain why this is so dangerous."

State succession = states breaking up the union; state sovereignty = states taking control of the union - different ends of the spectrum. The only thing that they have in common is that they are a form of action; as oppose to doing nothing. 

[JTCoyoté]

Dangit!!! (and I am almost to the point of using the other term!)

If I wasn't so strapped for cash I would be willing to contribute to a money bomb for you! We need your input here! And I'm sure you wife and daughter need you even more!

SOMEONE START A MONEY BOMB FOR JT!

Thanks Jim, I appreciate your kind thoughts...

JTCoyoté

"State secession = states breaking up the union;
state sovereignty = states taking control of the union -
different ends of the spectrum."
~ Elvis, PP Forum, 4/20/09

[Revolt426]

Tea Part Protests / Secession organized by Soros/Murdoch via social networking sites (Twitter/facebook) ;

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/10023


Soros's Twitter Mobilized Right Wing Zombies for "Tea Parties"

April 20, 2009 (LPAC)—The April 15th Tea Party anti-tax actions were not a "mass movement"—they were an orchestrated operation of George Soros and his Twitter operations backed up by Sir Rupert Murdoch's Fox media empire. Forget the so-called organizers like Newt Gingrich, Fox News fascist Sean Hannity, and Congressional has-been, Dick Armey. They are just frontmen—the real organizers were the cyber-zombies of Twitter, Facebook and the like.

"Don't assume that this is good-faith stuff," said LaRouche. "What you've got is a situation in which—like the Twitter phenomenon. If you look at the number of hits; take this case of Larry King and the Twitters on popularity—it's all over the place." LaRouche was referring to the hyped-up contest between CNN's Larry King and tweener movie star Ashton Kuchter over who could reach 1 million Twitter members first—a totally mindless zombie operation.

"What happened," said LaRouche, "is, you have an organization, Twitter, this one is pretty much traced to George Soros and company," that built up the anti-tax demonstrations. The Gingrich and Dick Armey front groups, one of which is called FreedomWorks actually used Twitter to orchestrate events.

LaRouche explained, "They move in on any event they choose to target by getting a mobilization. So they get a turn out as a result of the Twitter or similar types of operations. But, don't say that people are getting 'angry,' and that's why they're turning out. People are angry, and, sure, they will turn out; but maybe they are not just turning out. Maybe somebody is orchestrating it.

"This is leftist fascism of these days," said LaRouche. "You're dealing with a population today which is stupid; they don't know anything about history. All they know is what they call 'current events."

"This isn't "popular opinion;" it's mass insanity. It's a religious service, called a mass insanity. What they do is they use a single, short message on Twitter. They distribute it to their organization, and they can get tens of millions of people who respond to it quickly."

Referring to a recent puff-piece in Foreign Policy magazine that boasted about the "Twitter Revolution" about to be unleashed in Moldova, Syria, and other countries by the networks of George Soros, LaRouche commented, "Twitter is turning out to be a mass-based Manchurian candidate operation, closely associated, naturally, with the Nazi-trained George Soros."

"This whole thing is being orchestrated—that's what's important. What you have is the control of so-called popular opinion, which is a bunch of zombies! They're like a bunch of zombies, like 14th century zombies, marching en masse. Don't treat it as credible: this is not mass protest. This is not spontaneous protest. You've got zombies out there, who will move at the hint from that fascist drug pusher, George Soros."

"And a lot of this stuff which is called mass protest, is Soros's zombies—which come in many varieties, because he's paying for them. Many of them are drugged. They're out there doing mass protests, not because they know what they're talking about, but because they are just being told to go out and shake up the Establishment."

"They have to be compared to the lunatics known in the 14th century New Dark Age, known as the Flagellants. Call these guys the New Flagellants."

"If you say that, then you're out of the woods," said LaRouche, but if you try to explain it as a phenomenon, you fall into their trap. "There's real protest out there, but what they're trying to do, is prevent the real protest from exploding, which is really voluntary. This is called "involuntary knee-jerk reactions." Because no use of the brain is required to cause this to happen. This bypasses the brain: it goes directly from George Soros to Twitter, without stopping at the brain."

[Anti Federalist]

JT Coyote' wrote:

I'm very sorry if I was the source of a spat, that certainly wasn't my intent.

Think nothing of it.

Our home is a "free speech zone" and although Donna and I are very much "equally yoked", we still have disagreements from time to time, mostly of this sort of nature, and not so much on the larger scope of things that are going so very wrong.

JT Coyote' wrote:

We either use the 9th & 10th amendments, by constitutional process, which requires only three quarters of the states, to remove the federal power from its present position as dictatorial tyrant, or we must unanimously secede, hoping and praying that the liberties codified in the Constitution will survive in tact.

It will be a lot easier to get three quarters of the states to affect 10th Amendment constitutional process, than it will be to get the same number of states to secede together let alone the number of states required for "successful secession"... which is 100%

Now here, you will get no argument from me. In fact, I don't think there is much of an argument here at all.

I am very much in favor of the 10th amendment option, I never had problem with that, and if 2/3 of the states can be brought on board, then dissolve and reconstitute the fedgov on true constitutional principles, so much the better.

I have no doubt that this route is a better choice than secession.

My real question here is when you do that, legally and constitutionally, and then the fedgov refuses to vacate what's the next move?

I have no doubt in my mind that is exactly what the fedgov would do and if the federal enforcers refuse the order to move on the American people, they will send in foreign troops.

You will then, at that point, have a fight on your hands and de facto secession.

Acta non Verba, right?

JT Coyote' wrote:

When I took sick, in late June of 2008, rushed to the emergency room with a potentially fatal blood clot, that required constant monitoring, injections of heparin in my abdomen twice a day, oral blood thinners, and I was flat on my back for almost 4 months. My only solace was a laptop, and getting as much information out about the 10th amendment as I could. Our insurance unfortunately would not cover even one third of it. Thus all of our savings was depleted. My wife and daughter worked hard as they attempted valiantly to pick up the slack, and I've only been able to work a little since December. But it is all too little too late. Our home has been on the market since early February, but its value is less than three quarters of what we owe in this falling market... from the hearing coming on April 27th, the bank will take it back on June 19th... Taking some time off now... I too am tired of beating a dead horse!

My God, what a tragedy, I am sorry to hear that.

Yes, take some time off, I have no doubt that your intentions are nothing but the best, and I hope you can understand mine are as well, even though we find ourselves disagreeing on this very important topic.

Trust me, the continuing crisis will still be ongoing when you get back.

You'll be in our prayers.

[InfoTruth]

JT is spot on. Remember these words,divide and conquer.

[JTCoyoté]

Have you seen this?

Alex Jones is promoting the state’s sovereignty movement and I will soon explain why this is so dangerous.
http://www.freepressinternational.com/2009/02/alex-jones-exposed/

CTTM,

I left a comment on the board you linked to here 12 hours ago, explaining how the 10th Amendment sovereignty resolution works, and spelled out how it is diametrically opposed to succession... how it is a reaffirmation of constitutional law in the face of our unconstitutional, out-of-control federal government. By it's exercising powers it has no constitutional jurisdiction to exercise. As distinct from any unconstitutional act of separation, secession... which there is no constitutional justification for.

In any case the host of the site has seen fit that my post not appear. So in my mind, if it's not there by tomorrow morning, his agenda is pretty clear.

--Oldyoti

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of
freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment
of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
~James Madison

[TheCaliKid]

What a bunch of BS (on that site). Everybody talks about how we need solutions. Then, when we are finally having some, everyone talks smack about them, and thinks their idea is better. Come on now, we are dividing and conquering ourselves, never mind outside influences.

We need to get behind one solid idea and make a big push for it - this is our last chance, there will not be another.

[donnay]

AF & Donnay,

I'm very sorry if I was the source of a spat, that certainly wasn't my intent. I think in the long run however, depending upon how the media spins it, the large population centers will either go for secession, or they will go for Union. Most likely the demarcation will be the Mississippi River with one or two stragglers on either side. And it will begin the breaking up of America, slowly through violence and civil war we will become the 10 federal districts laid out in the CIA documents leaked in the 1960s.

In the video you link to, Dr. Paul makes a couple of statements that are not entirely true. First off he speaks of the secession by the Colonies from England... what he doesn't say is that there would have been no secession had it not been unanimous among the Colonies. There was much debate on the wisdom of declaring independence by a mere majority or even a 3/4 vote, however, the president of the Continental Congress at the time John Hancock, maintained that the vote would have to be unanimous, His reasoning was that otherwise it would rapidly degenerate from a war for independence from England to a civil war between colonies. Secession from unconstitutional control of our rogue federal government would also have to be unanimous.

My last sentence is a very strange sentence... because the states do not need to secede from the Union to dissolve the rogue federal government, that power already resides in LAW with the 10th Amendment. It is clear that the federal government we have today is an unconstitutional foreign power, controlled by foreign banks, it is not our lawful, constitutional federal government, it is an usurper. This can be demonstrated by merely reading article 1 section 8 of the Constitution which lays out the totality of constitutional federal powers.

Those who wish to secede from the Union of States outside the Constitution, have every right to break the constitutional agreement with the other states, and attempt to make it on their own. It will ultimately lead to their having to join voluntarily or by force the global corporate system though, without benefit of the Constitution and it's protections.

We either use the 9th & 10th amendments, by constitutional process, which requires only three quarters of the states, to remove the federal power from its present position as dictatorial tyrant, or we must unanimously secede, hoping and praying that the liberties codified in the Constitution will survive in tact.

It will be a lot easier to get three quarters of the states to affect 10th Amendment constitutional process, than it will be to get the same number of states to secede together let alone the number of states required for "successful secession"... which is 100%

I was up until five o'clock this morning working on the post above, as well as some 10th amendment bullet points... and moderating a rash of late night schills over on prison planet.com ....... When I was working at the state capitol here in Colorado with Representative Charles Duke back on '94, pushing to get the 10th amendment state sovereignty resolution passed, we spent many hours in conversation and discussion trying to anticipate all possible efforts that could come against us. At that time, and as events proved, and as borne out in the time frame from 1859 through 1861, the greatest enemy of the Constitutional 10th Amendment reaffirmation and utilization process was the movement for secession.

Nothing has changed, not since 1860, and not since the floor debates in the joint Houses, and Committee rooms of the Colorado State Legislature in 1994, the greatest enemy of the 10th amendment sovereignty resolution movement, the power it gives the states to interpret and purify all federal amendments and statutes for constitutionality... is Secession! And by the division caused by a movement toward secession, all will be lost because of the impatience and constitutional ignorance of the average American.

When I took sick, in late June of 2008, rushed to the emergency room with a potentially fatal blood clot, that required constant monitoring, injections of heparin in my abdomen twice a day, oral blood thinners, and I was flat on my back for almost 4 months. My only solace was a laptop, and getting as much information out about the 10th amendment as I could. Our insurance unfortunately would not cover even one third of it. Thus all of our savings was depleted. My wife and daughter worked hard as they attempted valiantly to pick up the slack, and I've only been able to work a little since December. But it is all too little too late. Our home has been on the market since early February, but its value is less than three quarters of what we owe in this falling market... from the hearing coming on April 27th, the bank will take it back on June 19th... Taking some time off now... I too am tired of beating a dead horse!

JTCoyoté

"I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do as he
 pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far as it in
no way interferes with any other men's rights."
~ Abraham Lincoln

JT,

I am very sorry to hear of your misfortunes and hope brighter days are on your horizon--you and your family will be in my prayers. 

I want to thank you for opening my eyes and apologize for pissing you off some months back--I was wrong to think succession was the answer and knew, deep down, the globalist want nothing more than to break this country apart.  United we stand--divided we fall. 

I understand, your points with the Ron Paul video, I posted.   I too, thought the same thing but just wanted to add this to the discussion since many of us backed Ron Paul.  Of course, I didn't agreed with him 100% but, as far as presidential candidates-- he was the best this country has seen in nearly 46 years, as far as I am concerned.  The man is spot-on about the Federal Reserve, that is for sure! 

[UK Lyn]

Dangit!!! (and I am almost to the point of using the other term!)

If I wasn't so strapped for cash I would be willing to contribute to a money bomb for you! We need your input here! And I'm sure you wife and daughter need you even more!

SOMEONE START A MONEY BOMB FOR JT!

Good grief, I never knew Coyote had that kind of weight on his shoulders.

I am strapped too, but not about to lose the roof over my family, so yeah I would find something for sure.

Best thoughts man, your posts and (growing) radio work are truly appreciated.

[Revolt426]

Soros's "Twitter Revolution"


April 21, 2009 (LPAC)--The following article will appear in the upcoming edition of the Executive Intelligence Review.

 

- TWITTER/FACEBOOK: A STRATEGIC THREAT -
by Matthew Ogden

April 16—The recent protests-turned-violent in Moldova's capital, Chisinau, perpetrated by 10,000 mostly college-age youth, from Moldova and other countries in Europe, are being dubbed the "Twitter Revolution." This name was given to the flash-riots at Moldova's capital square the day after the Communist Party won a majority in the parliamentary elections, in an article by Evgeny Morozov, published in Foreign Policy magazine April 7.

Morozov, born in Belarus, is currently an active fellow of George Soros's Open Society Institute of New York, and a board member of the OSI's Information Program, formed to study how to use the Internet to facilitate "democracy movements" in "closed societies," to overthrow "authoritarian regimes." In the Foreign Policy piece, Morozov openly boasts that four so-called authoritarian states are on the Information Program's hit list: Tajikistan, Moldova, Syria, and Thailand. The Soros agent-provocateur openly bragged on his blog that these are "places that I visit frequently," studying opportunities that information technology and Internet networking present for overthrowing these "authoritarian regimes."

Soros and his Open Society mafia are now out in the open, waging Jacobin destabilizations against governments on London's hit list. In March 2009, The Economist, the flagship publication of the City of London's financial oligarchy, published an Economist Intelligence Unit report, promoting just such global Jacobin insurrections, under the provocative headline, "Manning the Barricades." Soros, the billionaire hedge-fund speculator, and self-professed wartime Nazi collaborator, is an agent of the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office, under the personal supervision of Lord Mark Malloch-Brown, who, until recently, was vice chair of the Open Society Institute and also deputy director of Soros's hedge fund.

- 'Flashmobs' -

In his article in Foreign Policy, Morozov cites the recent riots in Greece, which then spread to the rest of Europe, as another recent example of how Twitter was used to incite "flashmobs," or "spontaneous-but-networked protest," which, he claims, in a December 2008 Economist article titled "Rioters of the World Unite," is now the new wave of protest method—replacing the now-outdated, pre-planned "set-piece" protests outside economic summits and so forth, of the form that we remember from Genoa and Seattle.

Morozov's article in Foreign Policy cites studies done by the Berkman Center at Harvard University, on the use of "technology" in the Soros-sponsored Orange Revolution, five years ago in Ukraine. At the end of the article, he writes, suggestively, that these Moldova protests "present an interesting case-study that I hope academic institutions like Harvard's Berkman Center and others would take on and examine in detail." In a blog called openDemocracy, based in Britain, Morozov also mentions the Berkman Center for Internet and Society, a think-tank at Harvard, which he says, "is currently running large-scale econometric models to observe how Internet access is correlated with political instability." Their study finds that, "an increase in cell-phone availability increases the likelihood (at least perceived by the public) that the government might be overthrown by violent means."

The Harvard report cites the "Two-Step Flow Theory" of Paul Lazarsfeld, partner of cyberneticist Kurt Lewin, the intellectual father of today's Behavioral Freakanomics, which models the effect of media on society as mediated through multiple "opinion leaders," who each possesses a network of "individuals in social contact with the opinion leader."

The LaRouche PAC pamphlet "Is the Devil in Your Laptop?" published in 2007, documents the long history of the use of this type of "social engineering" and "group psychology" to threaten the stability of sovereign nation-states. See, especially, "INSNA: 'Handmaidens of British Colonialism," by David Christie. This document is critical background intelligence material for nation-states seeking to protect the stability of their governments from George Soros's social-networking "democracy revolutions," now waging a global offensive of destabilization.

As Lyndon LaRouche commented, this movement is a Dionysian cult formation. Twitter, the latest high-tech instant communications system, for activating large numbers of people in real-time, via phone and computer links, has been adopted by British intelligence agent Soros and his Jacobin minions, to create maximum social chaos—among what is largely a youth cult, driven to despair and rage by the global financial and economic collapse. Those deployed by Twitter in this fashion are, as LaRouche warned, a Nietzschean fascist, existentialist movement, that can be mobilized, like Hitler's youth, on behalf of top-down oligarchic interests, to which they are totally oblivious.

[JTCoyoté]

Good grief, I never knew Coyote had that kind of weight on his shoulders.

I am strapped too, but not about to lose the roof over my family, so yeah I would find something for sure.

Best thoughts man, your posts and (growing) radio work are truly appreciated.

Thanks Lyn, Donna, and AF...

It's been nuts here...I don't know many who aren't financially tied up right now... Collectively, we just gave $12.8 TRILLION to the bankers. Enough money to not only pay off every mortgage in the US, including "The Donald's"... but all of the credit card debt, all the student loans, and put $6000 into the pocket book of every man, woman, and child in this country...

These "stimulus banks," if you ask for help, they want your first born in return, and you have to qualify by showing you don't need the help!

It is sickening... we are in arrears 4 months but in order to become current we must pay that, and the tagged on fee's of $8,000! No partial payment is allowed.

Thank you lords GW/Obama...

JTCoyoté

"The real man smiles in trouble, gathers strength
from distress, and grows brave by reflection."
~Thomas Paine

[xfahctor]

Jt, first, I hope you are able to resolve your health issues, you and your family are in my thoughts, my best to all of you. Second, I know the burden all too well a health cirsis puts on family finances and again, I wish you the best of fortunes there. You may wish to inquire at the hospital about programs available for such ocaisions, many have them but don't advertize them very much, it's worth speaking with the administrator or the financial offices there about, mine has such a program and it isn't very hard to qualify, it's a bit of paper work, but well worth the time and work, I now have all my expenses covered, both in the hospital and in the associated medical center and doctors offices through this program and it beats state assistance by a long shot.
 So, go and take care of yourself first, I'm sure there are people at home counting on you being around for a while and they come before we do.
 lady watch over and blessed be to you and your family.

[Cywar]

JT,  I too am very grateful for the insightful information you have been giving everyone about the real meaning of the state sovereignty movement.  You explain it better than anyone else does - thank you - I hope things get better for ya ll on the homefront - we cant loose you now.

[Revolt426]

Details of Lincoln's Banking System and the British who tried to destroy it;

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_1-9/2006_1-9/2006-3/pdf/38-42_603_ecogreenbacks.pdf

[JTCoyoté]

Details of Lincoln's Banking System and the British who tried to destroy it;

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_1-9/2006_1-9/2006-3/pdf/38-42_603_ecogreenbacks.pdf

There is little doubt what the royals and their bankers had in mind then, and what they have all but completed here NOW!
 

[In response to Lincoln's issuance of Greenbacks to finance the Civil War],
"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origins in North America,
shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish
its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will
have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become
prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and
wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be
destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."
~The Times of London [1862]

JTCoyoté

"Right after the Civil War there was considerable talk about reviving
Lincoln's brief experiment with the Constitutional monetary system.
Had not the European money-trust intervened, it would have no doubt
become an established institution."
~W. Cleon Skousen,
   Historian

[JTCoyoté]

X and Cy...

You are most kind... My health is much better now than it was 6 months ago... I was somewhat up and around by late October and am now about 50% or better and improving...  I can work a few hours a day in the shop which I'm doing now... the problem is that my smithing and arms restoration work is done in my garage and basement... so the foreclosure shuts down my work as well...

I abhor these thieving crooks!

Anyway, Lincoln understood the forces underlying both sides and at least saved the Union... Reconstruction would have been a bit different had he lived, and been in control... as it turned out and as Skousen alludes to in his quote printed above...the bankers were now in control of the post war chaos...

Lincoln's plan was clear though...

JTCoyoté

"The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency
and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government
and the buying power of consumers...By the adoption of these
principles, [a Constitutional monetary policy]... the taxpayers will
be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be the
master and become the servant of humanity."
~Abraham Lincoln

[donnay]

One thing I am learning or realizing in researching and studying of history is that, if the person had an assassination attempt or was assassinated, he/she was not playing by the globalists rules.  And, in my opinion, it means these individuals were trying to right some wrongs. 

[Revolt426]

One thing I am learning or realizing in researching and studying of history is that, if the person had an assassination attempt or was assassinated, he/she was not playing by the globalists rules.  And, in my opinion, it means these individuals were trying to right some wrongs. 

EXACTLY.

Now we can go into details on this very subject since others have been SLANDERED as traitors and assassinated, including
1) Alexander Hamilton (Who saved the Nation from Bankruptcy numerous times) and was dedicated to infrastructure
2) Of course, Abraham Lincoln
3) William McKinnely (A Lincoln Republican who wanted to build railways)
4) Franklin Roosevelt (2 Attempted Assassinations and Attempted Coup De Tat, Infrastructure Developement)
5) John F. Kennedy (Space Program, rejection of CIA treason)

What did all of these people have in common? They all supported State issued currency into productive Science Driver infrastructure as opposed to , Lending to Bankers and allowing them to do whatever they want with the currency. Many do not agree with other policies of theirs, but i maintain all had good intentions and were in fights with very evil people.


In the case of Franklin Roosevelt, he put the Federal Reserve into bankruptcy and pressured the Board of Goverenors to keep rates at 1% over the course of the Depression, allowing him to borrow from the FED and feed the currency into the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, which in turn lent money to rebuild the Nations Infrastructure. When the money was recovered and the Corporation Capitalized off of it (3% Rate) , the money was immediately re-invested into infrastructure. The American Liberty League, a Think Tank funded by JP Morgan Jr., the DuPonts, the Rockefellers etc... bombarded the United States with Propaganda alleging FDR was a "Communist" and "Spending" too much, when infact - he was lending into infrastructure developement. We still see this very propaganda resurface daily on the internet to this day.

In the case of JFK, he also could not rid the Nation of the FED, but he also used Science Driver economics in the form of the Space Program (and other programs), which modern private sector Computer Technology has been derived from.

The American Liberty League:

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/all-both.html

Lurking in the background behind the plot to oust FDR was the American Liberty League, a pro-business think-tank and ultra-right wing lobby group. Its treasurer was Jerry MacGuire’s boss, Grayson Murphy, a leading J.P. Morgan broker. One of its top donors was Robert Clark, who also tried to recruit General Smedley Butler into the conspiracy to oust President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

[donnay]

EXACTLY.

Now we can go into details on this very subject since others have been SLANDERED as traitors and assassinated, including
1) Alexander Hamilton (Who saved the Nation from Bankruptcy numerous times) and was dedicated to infrastructure
2) Of course, Abraham Lincoln
3) William McKinnely (A Lincoln Republican who wanted to build railways)
4) Franklin Roosevelt (2 Attempted Assassinations and Attempted Coup De Tat, Infrastructure Developement)
5) John F. Kennedy (Space Program, rejection of CIA treason)

What did all of these people have in common? They all supported State issued currency into productive Science Driver infrastructure as opposed to , Lending to Bankers and allowing them to do whatever they want with the currency. Many do not agree with other policies of theirs, but i maintain all had good intentions and were in fights with very evil people.


In the case of Franklin Roosevelt, he put the Federal Reserve into bankruptcy and pressured the Board of Goverenors to keep rates at 1% over the course of the Depression, allowing him to borrow from the FED and feed the currency into the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, which in turn lent money to rebuild the Nations Infrastructure. When the money was recovered and the Corporation Capitalized off of it (3% Rate) , the money was immediately re-invested into infrastructure. The American Liberty League, a Think Tank funded by JP Morgan Jr., the DuPonts, the Rockefellers etc... bombarded the United States with Propaganda alleging FDR was a "Communist" and "Spending" too much, when infact - he was lending into infrastructure developement. We still see this very propaganda resurface daily on the internet to this day.

In the case of JFK, he also could not rid the Nation of the FED, but he also used Science Driver economics in the form of the Space Program (and other programs), which modern private sector Computer Technology has been derived from.

The American Liberty League:

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/all-both.html

Lurking in the background behind the plot to oust FDR was the American Liberty League, a pro-business think-tank and ultra-right wing lobby group. Its treasurer was Jerry MacGuire’s boss, Grayson Murphy, a leading J.P. Morgan broker. One of its top donors was Robert Clark, who also tried to recruit General Smedley Butler into the conspiracy to oust President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Excellent points--still trying to wrap my mind around FDR, nevertheless.  It was his socialistic leaning that put us on the destructive path today.

My husband's uncle was Smedley D. Butler (we just found this out a little over a year ago--on his grandmother's side of the family).  No more family to talk to since his grandparents passed last year. *Sigh*

[Dig]

Poll: almost half of Georgia GOP think state would be better off seceding
http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/05/01/poll-almost-half-of-georgia-gop-think-state-would-be-better-off-seceding/
By Stephen C. Webster Published: May 1, 2009

When asked if Georgia would be better off as an independent nation or as part of the United States, 43 percent of Republicans in the state selected independent nation, according to a poll published Friday.

A majority of Georgia Republicans — 52 percent — sided with the United States in a Research 2000 poll commissioned by DailyKos.

Asked, “Would you approve or disapprove of Georgia leaving the United States?” 32 percent of Georgia Republicans said they would approve.

State wide, just 27 percent think Georgia would be better off independent of the U.S. and a mere 18 percent would approve of secession.

The General Assembly of Georgia recently passed Senate Resolution 632 in support of the state sovereignty movement, by a vote of 43-1; an act Atlanta writer Jay Bookman characterized as accidentally threatening the state’s ties to the United States.

“In fact, Senate Resolution 632 did a lot more than merely threaten to end this country,” he wrote. “It stated that under the Constitution, the only crimes the federal government could prosecute were treason, piracy and slavery.

“’Therefore, all acts of Congress which assume to create, define or punish [other] crimes … are altogether void, and of no force,’ the Georgia Senate declared.”

“Finally, the resolution states that if Congress, the president or federal courts take any action that exceeds their constitutional powers, the Constitution is rendered null and void and the United States of America is officially disbanded. …

“Now, to be fair, the resolution passed because it was snuck unnoticed onto the Senate resolution calendar on the 39th day of the 40-day legislative session, when senators were trying to handle dozens of bills and scores of amendments. Most did not have an opportunity to read the six-page resolution, which in its description claimed to merely affirm ’states’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.”

In Texas, where Gov. Rick Perry recently made comments many interpreted to be friendly toward secessionist politics, a Rasmussen poll found just 18 percent of his constituents would vote to secede from the United States were such a ballot ever put forward. Just 31 percent of the poll’s respondents believe that Texas even has the right to leave the Union.