The Phantoms of Columbine
Posted by Phantom B (William K Zabel) on April 12, 2009
One of the first areas of this investigation that might reveal what happened that day is with the eyewitnesses who saw the massacre as it happened. It is here that we will also find out whether there could have been accomplices in the massacre. We will also see whether those that helped, might have carried guns and explosives into the school.
Before we being however, we must remember that evidence exists to suggest that this massacre may have started earlier in the day, or maybe the day before. Because of this many might either dismiss the earlier start time based on the statements by witnesses here, or they may rule out the statements based on the time line. However there is a third possibility that we must consider here; that the witnesses observed other suspects, just not when there statements claim they did. Furthermore, if we can conclude that this mess did start the day before, and then moved into the next day as a hostage situation or as an open gun battle, then maybe some of these students did witness suspects on April 20, 1999 after they had been removed from the building by SWAT, or as they had escaped. This of course has all been explained in previous chapters on mind control and the time line, for now let us concentrate on accomplices that may have assaulted the school with Harris and Klebold.
The possibility of other accomplices involved with the Columbine shooting is at the core of the issue. From the very beginning when the news began broadcasting from the school, reports flooded into law enforcement of suspect information and locations within the school. Clearly, from those reports, some of the descriptions did not match those of the two alleged suspects. Locations of suspects as well did not match what JCSO concluded was the path and locations of the suspects accused in the case. Clearly, there is more to this picture.
Then as suddenly as the media aired those reports, they simply disappeared. It was though the notion of other suspects was not that important to authorities. However, early on the police were indeed worried about other suspects, had conducted over five hundred interviews, and reviewed more than two thousand pieces of evidence in the hopes of finding some trace of those accomplices.
Then on April 21, 1999, a day after the massacre, CNN online news reported that investigators were looking for accomplices. According to the article, investigators believed that there might be other suspects due to the number of bombs, ammunition, and weapons used in the deadly school rampage. Investigators were even quoted as saying, High number of guns. Obviously, they were not talking about the two shotguns, TEC-9 and High Point nine-millimeter weapons found on the suspects as high numbers of weapons! According to an online news source called APB Online JCSO Sheriff John Stone is quoted as saying; Theres too much stuff in there, he said You cant walk in there blazing with more stuff than you can carry. 1
Then on August 20 of that year, the Boulder News was reporting that investigators found no evidence of a third shooter based on physical evidence found at the scene. In the article, public relations officer, Steve Davis said; Some students are very adamant about the fact that there was a third gunman. 2
Yet on the same day as Investigators are quoted as saying there is no evidence of a third suspect the Boulder News also ran another article where they were actually widening there investigation to take into account the possibility of other suspects especially three teens arrested near the school that day.3
Two different articles with investigators being quoted with two different opinions about other suspects, you have to ask why?
Though the investigators were debating whether there might be other suspects in the case, we still had not actually heard from the majority of witnesses who were there. It is about time to read what the witnesses and victims had to say. From here and throughout the rest of this chapter you will read those witness statements that suggest other suspects.
This first group of witnesses is those that investigators determined were outside the school that day and saw Harris and Klebold as they fired at students on the grass, in the parking lot, and those exiting the building. Reading the statements very carefully though and you can clearly read where they are talking about suspects either in addition to Harris and Klebold, or other suspects altogether!
Jake and his friends were on the soccer field and heard what to him sounded like firecrackers. He then turned around to look to see what was happening. He noticed three men by the school shooting guns. He also saw one of them throw bombs on the roof of the school. It was at this time that the shooters saw Jake and the others on the soccer field and began shooting at them. Jake and his friends ran to a house in the neighborhood and called police. Jake would hear the phrase of the day that he says went something like this; "Today is the day you wish you weren't here." 1
Here is a news interview with Jake Apodeca about his observations:
William Arapkiles had "A" track lunch and went looking for his sister that day. Finding that she had already left for lunch he decided to get a soccer ball and went to the soccer field with some friends. He had only been there about five minutes when he heard the first shots coming from the west side of the school near the cafeteria. At first, he thought they might have been fireworks, and the others with him began to cheer thinking that this was a school prank, but William and his friends would find out that they were wrong. They were in the grips of one of the worst school shootings ever.
William looked toward the school and saw three people near the west entrance to the north main hall. William said that two of the three were wearing trench coats while the third was wearing a white shirt. William said that the two with trench coats had guns while he could not see the third person with a gun. William told investigators that the third person in the white shirt did not appear to be a victim but actually looked like he was with the other two people with guns.
He said that the two with guns began to shoot at the ground and into the air. The people in trench coats shot a person at the top of the stairs and then they shot a person at the bottom of the hill near the cafeteria. Then they shot another victim as that person was trying to run away across the parking lot.
It was at this time that the shooters noticed William and his friends on the soccer field and began shooting at them. William also told the investigator that while in the cafeteria he did not see any duffel bag and did not see the shooters carrying a duffel bag. In a later chapter, this will become important as to whether anybody saw the duffel bag in the cafeteria.2
Donald Arnold Jr.
Donald had just eaten lunch when he met up with Chris Wisher and Pat Neville on the soccer field near a shed. He had been there only five minutes when he thought he heard firecrackers coming from the area of the school. When Donald looked toward the school, he saw a white pudgy male wearing a white T-shirt who threw something onto the roof of the school; this was according to Donald near the electrical transformers of the school. He then saw another male shooting a gun toward the senior parking lot. This person was on the upper level, north of the parking lot and near the building. He believed that this person was about thirty yards southwest of the first male.
The second male must have noticed Donald and his friends on the soccer field because he turned and fired at them. This suspect fired five or six shots at them on the soccer field. Donald observed a person sustain a gunshot on the soccer field followed by another person just southwest of the first person. Donald believed that the second student hit by gunfire sustained an injury to the ankle.
Donald would be another person who knew the phrase of the day to be; "Today is the day you wish you weren't here." He would also make the comment to the investigator that Mr. Talocco told him he was mad about the phrase of the day but did not think Harris or Klebold had access to RNN (Rebel News Network).
Donald's statement about the first male being "short and pudgy" hardly fits the description of either Harris or Klebold.3
Jason had fifth period off and he went and retrieved a soccer ball from his locker. He then proceeded to the west upper level doors to exit the building. There he observed a person wearing a trench coat and black hat turned around backwards. This person was leaning against a post that was anchoring a tree. This person was a little shorter than he was. Jason is about five foot eleven or six-foot. This person according to Jason was wearing black boots. The investigator showed him pictures of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, but that this person was neither of the two. Jason also described a nylon bag at his feet, which he estimated to be one and a half to two feet long, and appeared full.
Jason then walked down to the first door in the commons and met up with Brian Stepp, Billy Arapkiles, Mike Kenny, Arthur Curtis, Chris Therrien, Justin Woods, and Brian Frye. It was at this point that Chris Therrien and Brian Frye left the area, went to get a soda, and met up with Lance Kirkland.
Jason and his friends then walked out along the parking lot to the soccer field and began playing soccer. This is when Jason heard sounds like firecrackers going off and saw smoke coming up from the ground next to where the person in the trench coat was standing. Jason had seen this same person earlier. Jason said that this person was alone. The person wearing the trench coat began shooting randomly as he walked down the stairs. When he reached the bottom of the stairs, he turned around and walked back up the stairs. Jason believes that this person started shooting a student by the name of Denny Rowe. The gunman then started shooting into the library windows. This person also at this time threw several devices up on the roof of the school that caused explosions. He then ran back down the stairs and according to Jason, fired off what he thinks was a shotgun. Jason described this blast as louder than any he had heard so far. Jason believes that it was at this time that Lance Kirkland sustained a gunshot to the face.
Jason would also note something strange that was happening. He says that a person in a white t-shirt was walking calmly from the parking lot towards the scene where the gunman was located. Jason thought that this was odd considering that everyone else was running away from the area. Jason then left the area with his friends and ran to a house in the neighborhood.4
Adam was leaving the school for lunch that day when he ran into Eric Harris. He described Eric as wearing a white t-shirt and a baseball cap backwards. Adam also described three other males with Eric at the time. When Adam tried to return at 11:55am, a bunch of people in Leawood Park told him of the shooting at Columbine and warned him away from the school.
A stranger aspect to this is the fact that Adam had a conversation with Jessica Cave after the shooting and she stated that there were ten suspects firing weapons at the school that day.
Also, who were the three other males with Eric Harris? Were they accomplices, or just people standing near Eric?5
Jonathan was walking through the school that day on his way to his fourth period class. While passing by the room Brooks Brown was supposed to be, Jonathan observed that he was not there as Brooks usually sits by the door. Jonathan then went on to his fourth hour class.
After fourth hour, Jonathan was exiting the back of the school via the upper west doors when he met up with Jake Apodaca and Chris Wisher. This is when he noticed two males in trench coats. One was wearing a ski mask with one large hole in it. He described both of these individuals as tall and thought that they had just exited the same doors as he. He said that both walked to the corner of the building and stood off the sidewalk looking down the steps that lead to the cafeteria and senior parking lot. Jonathan also recalled that a male in a white tee shirt that had either short sleeves or no sleeves, blue jeans, exit the building behind the two with trench coats. He then heard the male in the white tee shirt say, "GO! GO!"
Jonathan said that the two males in trench coats pulled weapons and began shooting at students down below. He said that one had a shotgun and the other a semi automatic gun. He then began to run in a westerly direction. Jonathan looked back to see the male in the white shirt throw bombs on the roof of the library. Jonathan believed that the number of bombs were about four to five total.
The suspects then turned their attention to Jonathan and his friends and began shooting at them. They ran and jumped a fence and fled to a residence in the neighborhood.
Jonathan said that when he went back to pick up his backpack and other belongings that he had left behind, that he saw a male that reminded him of the male in the white shirt who was throwing the bombs. This male according to Jonathan was five foot ten, wearing black glasses and having collar length blondish hair. Jonathan was shown a lineup of twelve people, none of whom he could identify as being the male in the white t-shirt.
Jonathan was able to identify Klebold and Harris from these photos as well as various other members of the Trench Coat Mafia. The investigator would note in this report that when comparing it to Chris Wisher and Jake Apodaca, which they claimed to have only seen a person in a trench coat and a person in a white t-shirt. No explanation is given as to why one of the "two" known suspects did not have his trench coat on. In a later notation by the detective, she noted that upon calling Jonathan for a further interview, his mother stated that Jonathan was seeing a doctor because he was having flash backs to that day. His mother asked the investigator not to interview Jonathan again. I would hear this again and again how students who were "traumatized" and being seen by a doctor and could not be interviewed by detectives.6
Bryan arrived in the cafeteria about 11:15am, and placed his backpack on a table. He then met up with a friend, Chris Therrien and a girl by the name of Bijen Monte. He then went over to Rebel Corner, stayed there for about five minutes and then he and Chris went outside using the door by Rebel Corner. They then walked up the stairs to the upper level on the backside by the library.
Brian stated that there was a male standing at the top of the stairs dressed in a trench coat, black pants, and black boots. Brian made it clear that this person did not have on a hat or mask. He also stated that he knew this person to be Eric Harris. He saw Eric holding a TEC-9 handgun that he was able to identify while watching the news.
Brian then heard what he thought were exploding firecrackers and saw students running away from this area. Brian also saw Lance Kirklin run down the stairs where he sustained a shot in the ankle. Then he saw a girl fall after sustaining a shot in the back.
Brian yelled to his friend Chris and they ran back to the cafeteria and entered through the first door on the northwest side. Brian saw Dave Sanders in the area of the kitchen counter and he was yelling for students to get down.
As he and Chris ran towards the stairs to escape upstairs, he thought that Eric Harris had come into the cafeteria. He never actually saw this, but that Chris had told him. They ran down a hall that is between the math and social studies rooms and then crawled past the administrative offices to a side door. They then ran through the tennis courts and to West Bowles Avenue.
Bryan heard gunshots bullets striking lockers down at the end of the hallway. This he observed while they were adjacent to the main hallway leading to the administrative offices. Bryan then stated to the investigator that the main entrance had no damage at this time.
When they got close to the administrative offices, Bryan looked left and he could see five or six persons all dressed in black. He reasoned that these could be students from the gymnasium. Bryan further stated that he does not know Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold.
In his first statement, Bryan claims that he knew it was Eric Harris. Then he made a second statement to investigators. In it he then claims that he did not know Eric or Dylan, but only knew it was Eric Harris at the top of stairs after talking with his friend Chris. Brian told the investigator that he thought it was somebody else at the top of the stairs, but after talking to Chris, he changed his mind.
So how did he know the person he saw at the top of the stairs was Eric? Did it mean that he knew his name but not know him personally? Why did he think that it was somebody else, and then change his mind after talking to his friend Chris? Why the investigator did did not clarify this as to whether the witness knew Eric by sight and knew his name, but just had no dealings with him? If he did not know Eric by name or sight, then how is it that he came to believe that it was Eric at the top of the hill?
Also strange is why Bryan and Chris are crawling past the administrative offices. Could someone have been in there that Bryan and Chris wanted to avoid? Could it have been one of the suspects? Bryan does not make this clear but it is interesting. Another interesting comment is Bryan is describing looking past file cabinets and seeing five or six people dressed in black! Where exactly did he see them? What were they doing there, and were they really students as he claimed in his statement?
Though we have no indication of exactly where Bryan saw the five or six people in black, it is interesting to looking at the route that he and Chris took that day. You can see the line drawn by the investigator. They go from downstairs up to the upper level, down the south main hallway, turn left between the English and Social Studies areas, and continue north where instead of going out the front main doors they continue down the hallway through the administrative office area. They finally exited a side door just north of the main doors.
Now why did they do that instead of going out the front main doors? Bryan claims that there was no damage to the main doors so he obviously had no reason to fear that a shooter may lie just outside. On the other hand, was there something out there he wanted to avoid?
On the map, an x shows the cafeteria. Moreover, where is the x? On the outside of the cafeteria, clear on the opposite side of the building from where he claims to have seen the five or six people dressed in black. Since the investigator never discusses another x that represents anything, we have to ponder whether this "X" represents the five or six people that Bryan saw or whether it pertains to something else. If it does pertain to the people, that Bryan saw, than the investigator put it in the wrong place. The bigger question is whether it is there on purpose or by mistake.
On May 12, 1999, Bryan has another interview after his father called the investigator on 11th of May and told him that after Bryan looked at his yearbook; he was convinced that another student shot Lance Kirkland and not Eric Harris! Further, Bryan heard a rumor this person turned himself in to police.
He said that the reason that he originally thought that it was Eric Harris was that he knew it was not Dylan Klebold.
However, in his earlier statements Bryan did not know Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold, but suddenly now knows them. Bryan then claims that he made this conclusion because the media was announcing that the two killers were Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. He also states that the person he saw shooting had bad acne on his face.
If you have seen pictures of Eric Harris, you soon realize that he did not have acne. However, another student associated with the Trench Coat Mafia did, Dusty Hoffschneider. Looking at pictures of both Harris and Hoffschneider it is hard to believe that these two could be confused with each other.
The ATF would also get into the act of interviewing Bryan Frye on November 2, 1999. This interview gets interesting in that he not only describes the route that he and Chris took that day, he also says that once in the main office he realized that someone was in the school shooting.
Does this mean that he knew that there were people in the office area? On the other hand, does it simply mean he is restating the shooting at the end of the main hall? The ATF investigator asked him if he could identify the shooter from a photo packet. Bryan picked photo number 52, a photo that is Dylan Klebold. He said that previously that he believed that this person was someone else whose name is covered in black ink.
What has brought him to this conclusion?
Now he is saying that it is Dylan, when he had originally thought that it was Eric because there were only two shooters, and since it was not Dylan, then it must be Eric. Never mind the fact that he thought it was someone else entirely!
The ATF now confuses the matter even more by claiming Brian saw Dylan Klebold firing a weapon inside the school. In fact, he never saw anybody shooting inside; he just heard bullets flying off lockers. Once again the investigator never clarifies whether he is asking about the shooter outside the school or whether he is asking him to describe what happened in the main hallway he just writes that this is the person Bryan observes shooting in the school.
If the suspects would have lived and Brian was on the stand telling about his observations a lawyer would have asked him whether he saw this person inside the school or outside. Either the prosecution or defense is going to ask Brian whether he actually saw Eric or Dylan doing the shooting, and would have forced by the judge to make a determination as to which one it was, there would have been no; "I think with fifty percent accuracy, it was Eric or Dylan." He would have had to make that determination. Moreover, what would the court have done, had he said that he thought it was somebody else? Perhaps this is the reason why the two killers committed "suicide."
It is easy to see how investigators themselves are mudding the waters in the Columbine investigation when they fail to clarify for the record, the actual times and places when witnesses saw suspects and their descriptions. The big question; is this sloppy investigating? On the other hand, is this deliberate? 7
Stephanie stated that she had the first lunch free and was exiting the cafeteria by the third or fourth exit, down from the school store. This was about 11:15am as she crossed the sidewalk she looked over, saw people entering through the double doors by the school store, and greeted them. Stephanie said that this was Harris and Klebold, but that there was also a third person with them with a white shirt on. She described this person as being about the same height as Eric. She described both Dylan and Eric as having their trench coats on with their hands in their pockets. Haney said that this male looked older than high school age and that in her four years at CHS she did not recognize this person. Haney described this person's shirt as a v-neck shirt or t-shirt that she said looked like an undershirt with its sleeves rolled up once or twice.
When Haney was driving out of the parking lot, she heard what sounded to her like a car backfire. She then heard another backfire, but when she looked back, she saw nothing so she kept going.
In a later interview with the FBI on 5/27/99 she describes pretty much the same thing including the guy with Harris and Klebold, except this time she says that she just nodded at the two instead of saying; "What's up?" like she claims in her first interview. She also claims that this person with Eric and Dylan looked to be in his twenties medium complexion, blond hair that was bowl cut. He also had on blue jeans and black boots. Haney also said that she never saw the three enter the building.
Stephanie also stated that there is an area under the stairs in the cafeteria where the Trench Coat Mafia hang out, but that they were not there that day which led her to believe that they knew what was going to happen. Stephanie also told the investigator for the FBI that Harris, Klebold, and Brooks Brown had their differences but that after Christmas they seemed to have gotten over it. She claims that she knew both Eric and Dylan, and only knows the Trench Coat Mafia by name but does not associate with them.
In yet again another interview, Stephanie once again holds to the fact that she saw a third person with Eric and Dylan who is older than high school age. In fact, she goes a little bit further in this statement in that she believes that other TCM members were involved because they were not there that day. Stephanie now would drop a bombshell in that she claims that she now has seen this third person before! Stephanie says that she saw this person at Mark Manes home in December of 1998. She said that the person she saw was taller than Eric or Dylan. At the time that she saw him, he had long slicked back black hair and a trench coat. She also described Mark Manes as a member of the Trench Coat Mafia.
Stephanie also stated she had smoked pot with Dylan Klebold at smoker's pit. She went on to state that both killers had talked about how they hated their parents, and even referred to either Dylan or Eric saying; "They'll get theirs", after one or the other had their car taken away for getting into trouble.
Stephanie also stated that neither of two was at the Prom but was at the after prom party at the school. She stated that she did not see the two with duffel bags or anything else. The investigator asked her how easy it would have been for the two to get to the rest of the school. Stephanie replies that the school is off limits but that the two had keys to the school because of their video production class.
It was not over after that interview. In another interview, Stephanie explains about the person with Eric and Dylan and about the TCM. Once again she reiterated that she three people walking towards her. One was Dylan Klebold, one was Eric Harris, and a third male whom she did not know was walking behind Harris and Klebold and that this person was not a student. She also added that she saw the TCM under the stairs on April 19, but did not see them on the 20th, which is why she concluded that they had to be involved. In this statement, Haney said that the person with Eric and Dylan was taller than Dylan and about 19-20 years old with dirty blond hair.
The investigator would go on to "explain" that with all of the evidence that the Columbine High School Task force had that Eric and Dylan acted alone. Haney seemed to accept this explanation. When told about the TCM and their whereabouts that day, Haney also concluded that they could not have been involved.
What did Haney have to say about the third person now? Haney concluded that he must have been just somebody walking behind Eric and Dylan. Haney then concluded that she did not know Eric and Dylan around the time she saw this third person at Manes house, which she claims, was on Halloween about three to four years ago. Stephanie would also elaborate on another point by saying that she was not actually at Manes house but was visiting a friend in the neighborhood when she observed the male.
According to the investigator who talked with Haney, the interview ended with the statement; "Haney and her mother having no concerns in reference to additional persons involved in the planning of or the actual shootings at Columbine High School on 04-20-99."
Wow! Do you see what is wrong with this picture? I certainly do. The best place to start is with the third person with Eric and Dylan on April 20. Haney does not know the identity of this person but she has seen him before at Mark Manes home. Remember that Mark Manes is the person who bought the High Point 9mm rifle for the two killers. Then when the investigator pushes her on that point in the third interview, she now claims that one; he must have just been somebody walking into the building that day and not somebody who knew both of the killers, and two she makes a correction; she did not see him at Mark Manes house in December of 1998. She actually saw him three to four years ago near Mark Manes house while she was visiting a friend in the neighborhood!
Stephanie made it very clear in her second interview that she was at Mark Manes home. In the second interview, she also described several people that were there. Another logical point to consider is if this person was at Mark Manes home on December of 1998, and then seen with the two killers, even if only walking behind them into the school then obviously he knew the two killers. Stephanie also makes it quite clear that it was December of 1998, not "three to four years ago" as she is now claiming.
In her last interview, Stephanie also claims she did not know Eric and Dylan at the time she saw this person at Mark Manes home. There are two problems with this statement; One; is that she saw him there in December of 1998, two, she claims that she knew the two killers at this time because she hung out with them at smokers pit and even smoked pot with Dylan there.
Stephanie also became "convinced" that the Trench Coat Mafia could not be involved after being told by the investigator their whereabouts that day. This also is illogical in that I will discuss in a later chapter how Trench Coat Mafia members were definitely involved. This in fact is due to where some of them ended up in the school while some of them were not even students anymore.
You have to begin asking some very serious questions here. The first being; "Why the sudden change in statement?"
In the case of when she knew the killers, if it was three to four years ago, then yes she probably did not know them. However, a bigger problem is that she claims that she saw the person who walked into the school with the two killers as being at Mark Manes home in December of 1998 at a time when she did know the two killers!
The key to this strange event lies with Mark Manes and the people who surround him. It is clear that the investigator had to break the link between the two killers, this third person, and Mark Manes. It became clear that the link between Mark Manes and the two killers couldn't be broken, but that wouldn't have mattered, as long as this third person just became a phantom in the night.
Are you getting concerned yet? Yes, well then, let us move onto the next witness.8
Courtney was going down to the commons with Heather Avery. Both girls got their lunch then exited the commons from the farthest east exit and sat down on the concrete area just outside the door. It was at this time that Courtney heard gunshots. Both Courtney and Heather went over by the corner of the building to check it out and Courtney saw three people in trench coats standing next to the stairs, which lead to the west entrance of the school.
Courtney described the first suspect as a white male about 17 years old and about six foot three inches tall, medium build long curly hair, black trench coat, dark colored pants, and carrying a long gun. The second suspect was sixteen to seventeen years old, shorter than suspect one. Courtney describes him as a male with a medium build, no hat, no mask, dark clothing with a trench coat, and what Courtney described as a "grenade type thing." This person's shirt was also dark in color.
Courtney described the third suspect as a white male, wearing a trench coat, white shirt, and carrying something odd in his hand.
Courtney said that she recognized the first two suspects.
After viewing these people for a short time, Courtney and Heather ran back into the cafeteria and told everyone that someone was shooting. Courtney said that she, Heather, and a group of students ran to the foreign language hall to the farthest east classroom to hide. While hiding in this classroom, she felt three vibrations. After about ten to fifteen minutes, a teacher told everyone to exit the building and run to the park.
When showed a photo lineup of the possible suspects, Courtney picked the two known suspects from the lineup but could not identify the third suspect from any known photo the investigator had with him.
On October 25 of 1999, Courtney speaks with an investigator at a JCSO substation with her mother being present.
Courtney reiterates her statement that she cannot identify the third suspect and it is at this point that the investigator begins to testify for her as well as what I believe to be taking pot shots at her. For instance, the investigator says she appears "confused" when talking to him. He then makes the statement that she did not have on her glasses, as she is nearsighted.
So what does that mean, that she could not have seen a third suspect without her glasses?
She may be nearsighted, yet she was still able to identify two of the three suspects. Are we to believe that be nearsighted allows you to see two known suspects, but for some reason you cannot see suspects that JCSO does not want to put on the scene? They certainly had no problem with her near-sightedness identifying the two known killers.
Once again, could this be the reason that these two did not make it out of the school alive? I shudder to think what a defense lawyer would have done with this during trial. In fact, that is a good reason to make sure your suspects do not make it out alive. No trial, no questions about a third suspect.9
Karnes was in his car located in the far southwest parking lot when he heard what he thought was someone shooting. He turned around and saw a person standing at the top of the stairs at the northwest corner of the building. This person was holding a rifle and leaning on the fence, and was shooting down toward the people eating lunch outside the cafeteria. Karnes described this person as wearing a white dress shirt, black dress pants, and a black vest.
Karnes would go on to tell the investigator that there was another person with this shooter and that he was dressed in black Trench Coat, black pants, had long hair and sunglasses. Karnes stated that he had seen this person before in school. He also stated that as he watched this unfold that the person in the trench coat would run down the stairs and look at a victim. This would happen when the person in the white shirt would shoot the rifle at a student.
Karnes then left the area in his car dropped some people off and then when he returned to the school he could not get close due to the police presence. In this statement, the investigator states that it is about 100 to 200 hundred yards from Karnes car to where the shooter was located.
Was the investigator trying to infer that Karnes could not have clearly seen the shooter from the area where he was? I wonder had he claimed to see both Eric and Dylan clearly, whether the investigator would have put this comment in the statement.
Also, notice that Karnes talks about a person in a white dress shirt, not a white t-shirt. This is actually important. In the chapter, "Adult Supervision" this issue will see the light of day for the first time since the massacre.
In his second statement to investigator Jill Reuteler of the Colorado State Patrol, he describes the suspects in the shooting.
Once again he describes them exactly as before, but adds that the person in white he believes he has seen hanging around with the Trench Coat Mafia. Is he saying that this person is someone other than Eric or Dylan that he believes is hanging around the TCM? 10
Tiffany Lien was eating lunch outside with Tessa Nelson when at 11:22am when she heard popping noises coming from the area of the stairs leading up to the west upper entrance to the school. She then saw a gunman come down the steps. This gunman stopped by the fence at the bottom of the stairs. Tiffany described this person as six foot tall, 17 to 18 years of age with long dark curly brown hair. He was dressed in a black trench coat with black pants, black boots, and black shirt with a baseball cap on backwards. She described the gunman as having the TEC-9.
This person was shooting towards the cafeteria area when Tiffany saw Anne Marie Hockhalter and Lance Kirklin injured by gunfire. It was at this time that Tiffany and Tessa ran into the cafeteria and hid in a bathroom. While hiding in the bathroom Tiffany could hear shots in the cafeteria. About forty minutes later Tiffany could hear shots upstairs, but the shots in the cafeteria had ended.
When Tiffany felt it was safe to leave, she and her friend fled the school and went to the Mormon Seminary house on Pierce Street. While there, Tiffany began looking through her 1998 yearbook where she found a picture of the person she thinks was shooting. The name of course is unreadable under all of the black ink in her statement. Tiffany went to state that the gunman she believed that she saw had dropped out of school before 4-20-99. When shown a photo lineup she was unable to identify the gunman in the lineup.
In her second interview, she picked photo #6 as possibly being the suspect she saw. At the bottom of her statement, there is a note that the suspect she saw had a lot of acne around the mouth and nose area of his face.
Then on 11-04-99, a BATF agent contacted Tiffany about the identification that she made. After going over her identification, she originally thought that the person was someone who remains unidentified but now believes it to be Dylan. She claims that the reason she thought that it was this other person was that he looked like Dylan. From the photo lineup that the BATF agent had with him, she picked photo #53 as being the suspect she saw. However, if you read the statement very carefully, she never actually says she believes that it is Dylan Klebold; the investigator says that Frye said it was Dylan. So why is Fryes statement doing in Tiffany Lien's statement?
From this, you can gather that she still has not really said that it was Dylan! The investigator acts like he trying to get her to accept another student's identification as being the known suspect that was doing the shooting.
If you reread Brian's Fryes statement, you will see that he claims not to know either of the two known suspects. So how could the investigator infer that Brian was claiming that the person was Dylan when he claims to have only seen Eric Harris and then later denied knowing either of the gunmen?
The investigator makes an invalid point by saying that Brian Frye identified Dylan from the cafeteria surveillance footage therefore it must be Dylan who Tiffany saw outside the school. This is fallacious thinking that a witness can see Dylan on the monitor in the cafeteria so it must be Dylan outside the school as well. Once again, the investigator is confusing the issue. Tiffany saw someone else, period.
Another bizarre interview with questionable interview tactics used on an unsuspecting student.11
Nancy was not a Columbine student, but a teacher from another school who happened to be jogging in Clements Park when the shooting began. Her statement really throws the whole time line into disarray. Nancy is a teacher at Deer Creek Elementary School and left there at 10:45am. She reached Clement's Park and began walking around Johnson Lake, which sits just North West of Columbine High School when she heard on her Walkman radio of the shooting at Columbine. She said that when she heard this on KHOW that it was no later than 11:15am and the radio station was reporting that there were two suspects on the roof of Columbine with hand grenades.
When she turned off her radio, she could hear three gunshots coming from the direction of Columbine High School. Suddenly a white male in his late teens or earlier twenties came over Columbine Hill that sits between the park and the school. Nancy said that this individual had two duffel bags, one in each hand. Nancy also said that this person was not wearing a trench coat. At no time did she see this person carrying a gun.
The second part of her statement that should concern you is the fact that immediately someone comes over the hill walking calmly, not running. This is not normal since just on the other side of that hill there is a mass-shooting going on at the school. Is this person a suspect? Was he just watching the events? On the other hand, did he help in some way?
Strangely enough, Nancy is never interviewed any further on the person she sees coming over Columbine Hill that day.12
Bijen went down to the commons from the library after history class. Bijen purchased her lunch at Rebel Corner. She met Brian Frye and Chris Therrien who wanted her to go out to the soccer field to play soccer but she refused saying that she did not want to play soccer. Monte then sat down outside the south commons door and Brian and Chris continued to try to get her to go out to the soccer field, but she would not go.
It was then that she saw a person in a trench coat come down the stairs. She saw three kids go down and that the person in the trench coat was standing over two of them. She recognized the person whose name is unreadable under the black ink in her statement.
She stated that she was certain that this person is not the two known suspects. She stated that he had a gun on a strap that hung around his neck.
Bijen described the gunman as follows:
He had on a black trench coat that extended beyond his knees.
He had on a black baseball cap backwards.
His face was long as well as his neck.
He had a narrow chin.
His teeth were crooked and he had an obvious over bite.
He had lots of acne and his face was white with red spots.
He had on a black t-shirt with white writing on the front of it. She clarified that the shirt was not tie-died.
He had on black tennis shoes, not boots.
Monte then looks at a lineup of pictures, she picked picture number six as the one she saw with a gun and even referred to him as a man, not a boy or teenager!
This interview occurs on April 30, 1999, but it would not be the last interview she would endure.
Once again, on May 1, 1999 Bijen Monte talks with an investigator where she gave the same description of the gunman and said that he was indeed the person she had identified in her first statement, though once again that name censured under black ink.
Bijen stated that she was sure of the identity of this suspect. She said that after he started shooting she ran into the cafeteria where she stayed shortly until two suspects in black came into the cafeteria. She then fled into the lower auditorium. When she got into the lower area of the auditorium, there were no suspects in the auditorium. She ran up the south stairs and hid behind an L- shaped wall.
Bijen then stated that the two suspects came into the auditorium through the lower level doors. She saw one man in black near the entryway doors and another man in black further north. Bijen then said that the man closest to the doors started moving up the south steps.
At that point, she and several other students ran north and out the north upper level door. She then went east and exited out by the administrative offices and onto Pierce Street where she went with others to Clement's Park. A teacher at the park told Bijen and others to go home. Bijen then left with Evan Ernst and tried to go east on Pierce Street but found their way blocked by police cars so they turned around and headed towards Wadsworth, which is west of the school.
Bijen Monte was not through yet, there would yet be another interview take place and that she would be in effect be called a liar in this one.
On October 21, Bijen talks with an investigator again. Still she would stick to her identification of someone other than the two known killers. However, here her story does seem to change somewhat.
Whereas before she stated that two suspects came into the cafeteria, she now states that she saw two people in black looking through the window of the cafeteria. Never describes them coming into the cafeteria. In addition, this time she describes two suspects in the auditorium, where as on April 30 she never described suspects in the auditorium.
In this last statement, she said she wanted to correct information concerning Sean Graves yet in Bijens other two statements she never even talks about Sean Graves.
Could there be a statement missing from the documents that have been released?
The investigator tells Bijen that the person she saw was at home during that period. Whereas Bijen replied that since it was a family member vouching for that person that they were probably covering for that person.
Bijen then looks at photos of suspects but could not identify anyone in those photos, but in one photo did say that the clothes she saw looked like what the person she saw standing over the two students was wearing.
The investigator asks how other witnesses in the same location could have different recollections as she and she replied that she had no explanation for why they saw something different then what she saw.
The interview ended with Bijen's father stating to the investigator that Bijen does not feel safe at Columbine and has been having bad nightmares in relation to the incident.
The investigators went this one time away without changing the mind of a witness. There are still however strange elements to her statements.
A good example is how she tried to correct herself about seeing Sean Graves, but in none of earlier statements does she even go into the names of those she saw get shot except to say that she knew who they were from news reports. So what was she trying to correct? And why that statement wasnt included in any of her other statements?
Why did she claim to not see any suspects in the auditorium, but then in a later statement, claims she did see suspicious people in black? Why did she also change her statement to say in the last statement that she only saw these two suspicious people in the auditorium, but never saw suspects enter through the lower level, as she had in an earlier statement? Why did she not talk about seeing suspects enter the cafeteria in her last statement, when in earlier statements she had said precisely that?
It is obvious that she could very well be confused on the timing of events. This is what happens when the official story only puts to two suspects at the school. Two suspects that witnesses cannot identify. 13
Tessa and her friend Tiffany Lien went down to the cafeteria, got their lunch at 11:15am, and then went outside to eat. The time was 11:20am when they finally sat down to eat outside. Tessa remembers that after they sat down by one of the planters, another student came by and sat her backpack down next to them and then proceeded to the student parking lot. That student was Melissa Miller.
Tessa said that she had just taken a couple bites of her pizza when she heard popping sounds coming from the stairs area north of her position. She said that then people started coming down the stairs. At that point, she saw a white male in a trench coat coming down the stairs. This person also had on a black ball cap backwards and had a weapon that she recognized after watching the news as a TEC-9.
This person then shot Anne Marie Hockhalter. When Tessa realized what was happening, she and Tiffany jumped and ran into the cafeteria and then ran into a bathroom and hid with other girls. After a few moments, she thought she heard gunshots in the cafeteria area. Tessa heard about four to five explosions while in the bathroom, where she and the others remained for forty-five minutes to an hour. At that time, the gunshots started to become fainter. The last ten minutes that she was in the bathroom, she heard no gunshots or explosions whatsoever.
Tessa and three other students exited the bathroom, ran down the business hall and the doors to the junior parking lot, and ran to the seminary house on the corner of west Polk Avenue and Pierce Street.
Tessa said she knew who the suspect was, but that portion is under the ink of the censure in the documents, but strangely enough, a sentence later the name Perry appears in relation to whom she saw. When asked if she was sure it was him she stated she was sure and was shown a photo which was labeled number three, and picked that photo as the person she saw doing the shooting. That ended her follow up statement to JCSO investigator Brooks.
JCSO investigator Peterson on 10-22-99 interviewed Tessa again. She reiterated her earlier statement and added that the suspect had bad acne on his face.
The investigator tells her that from the evidence they have suggest only Eric and Dylan, but Tessa holds to her story. When she is shown pictures of the two known killers she says that neither of them is the shooter she saw.
She is also asked about seeing a suspect in the bathroom while she hiding with Tiffany Lien and others. Tessa replied that Tiffany had told her the mirrors damaged due to gunfire but that Tiffany did not actually see anyone shooting in the bathroom. Tessa did not see this damage to the mirrors. When Tessa went on a tour of the school after the shooting, she did not see any damage to the mirrors in the bathroom as Tiffany Lien had stated.
Here is another statement from a student that is obviously a thorn in the side of JCSO. In this statement, we have enough of a physical description to figure out who the suspect might be. In this case, obviously Robert Perry definitely has bad acne on the face, not to mention that he has an obvious over bite as well. It also certainly helps too that the people with the black markers screw up and leave his name in the documents instead of treating it to doses of black magic marker as elsewhere in the documents released by JCSO.14
Cindy was outside with her friends, Melissa Miller, and Laura Smalley, when she thought she heard firecrackers and saw smoke. When she looked around, she saw two people shooting. Cindy saw them shoot a girl then go down the stairs and then back up the stairs.
Cindy noticed a person drive into the lot in a pickup and the suspects threw a bomb at him.
Cindy stated that she first saw the suspects around 11:25am to 11:30am. She said the suspects after shooting and throwing bombs outside then went inside where she could hear more bombs.
Cindy described the suspects to the investigator. She said that suspect #1 had on black trench coat, black pants with reddish/brown hair, was skinny and about five foot five. She also described his hair as shoulder length and greasy. He had a "two" handled gun that he was holding with both hands.
Cindy describes suspect #2 as a white male with dark black hair. He had on a gray shirt, and Cindy said that she could remember him throwing something.
This statement is short and gives little description of either suspect. From the height description that she gave of suspect #1 (if she is correct) then there is no way that could be Eric or Dylan as they both were especially tall.15
Steve who is a maintenance man for Clement's Park was on a high part of the park to where he could see Columbine High School, the football field, and the soccer field. Steve told the investigator that after a few moments he could hear popping sounds coming from the direction of the school thinking at first that it was a senior prank. When the popping sounds continued, he realized that it was something more. It was at this point that he saw a white male near the curved part of the building, which was later determined to be near the west stairway leading down to the commons area. He described this person as wearing White Dress Shirt!" When asked by the investigator to explain his description of the dress shirt, he said that it appeared to him to be a shirt that a police officer or firefighter wears! Steve said that this person appeared to have a gun in his right hand, which appeared to be a long gun, maybe a shotgun, according to Steve.
Steve said that he and Dick Strange who were both watching this decided to leave the area for fear of their own safety. They decided to go back to the maintenance shed in Clement's Park. As they were heading in that direction, they had to pass by some bleachers on the north side of the school. Not only could they see students streaming out of the school, but also they saw juveniles, as Steve described them sitting on the bleachers. He said that they were not moving, nor did they appear to be scared.
Steve did make a strange comment about not seeing any police vehicles in the parking lot. According to the investigator, Steve told them this because he had only observed a green police vehicle with marked police insignia between the school and maintenance shed earlier that morning.
Towards the end of the interview, the investigator asked him to describe once more the shirt that suspect was wearing. Steve once again said that it was a white dress shirt like what police and firefighters wear.
While Steve and Dick Strange were at the maintenance shed, other students and a teacher showed up. According to Steve, one of the kids said that the Trench Coat Mafia did the shooting. Steve also overheard a kid saying that there were fifty of them who did the shooting, and then went on to describe them as "Satanists."
This witness statement makes the case for at least one accomplice. Somebody finally gets the description of this suspect right after all this time. You see it was a white dress shirt, not a t-shirt. Who wears a white "service" dress shirt? Firefighters do, that is who! In the chapter on the "Adult Supervision," you will find out who this person is and how he is connected to Eric, Dylan, and the rest of the Trench Coat Mafia.
This brings us to the kids just sitting on the bleachers, who were they? The media speaks more than once about a strange group of kids sitting on the bleachers as though they were watching a game. No fear, no trying to run away from the massacre, just sitting. Could this be the Trench Coat Mafia? 16