yeah, i'm leading but i'll get to that one later.
if i offend then pardon me, but i think we're adults here.
The Necessity of Swallowing - The Sin of Spilling Seedhttp://www.sexinchrist.com/oralsex.html
Most of us are familiar with the Biblical story of Onan, whose sin against God was that of spilling his seed on the ground:
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. (Genesis 38:9)
This scriptural passage has traditionally been used as an injunction against masturbation. However, upon closer reading, it becomes apparent that this scenario has nothing to do with masturbation at all. Onan was not masturbating; he was copulating with his brotherís wife (and there was a good reason for that, in Godís plan). His sin was pulling out (coitus interruptus) and ejaculating on the ground rather than into the woman. He did so in order to avoid impregnating her. However, he could have easily avoided Godís wrath (and the penalty of death), by simply having the woman fellate him and then swallow his semen. This would have kept him from impregnating her, as well as completely prevented the spilling of seed that was an offense in Godís eyes.
Sure, I'll respond...
Onan's offense was the spilling of seed on the ground, as that's a no-no in jewish law. I don't see anywhere in the chapter where it was God that told Onan to go to Tamar, his brother's widow. It was Judah that told Onan to do it, which seems that Judah was just following jewish traditional law seeing this was before Moses Law, that covers the caring for the wife of dead relatives. Onan may not have felt it proper to father a child on behalf of his evil dead brother, but his solution was the sin he payed for with his life. I suspect God would have been mad no matter how he avoided fathering a child with her. Just so happens Onan did a sin, spilling seed on the ground, in the process of avoiding fathering the child.2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name [was] Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.
3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.
4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan.
5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him.
6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name [was] Tamar.
7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled [it] on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren [did]. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.
Genesis 38:2-11 (KJV)
The story continues on about what happens to Tamar and the rest, but no more mention of the sin of Onan that I know of.
According to Moses Law, the only thing I can find is in Leviticus...1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, [because of] his issue he [is] unclean.
3 And this shall be his uncleanness in his issue: whether his flesh run with his issue, or his flesh be stopped from his issue, it [is] his uncleanness.
4 Every bed, whereon he lieth that hath the issue, is unclean: and every thing, whereon he sitteth, shall be unclean.
5 And whosoever toucheth his bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
6 And he that sitteth on [any] thing whereon he sat that hath the issue shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
7 And he that toucheth the flesh of him that hath the issue shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
8 And if he that hath the issue spit upon him that is clean; then he shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
9 And what saddle soever he rideth upon that hath the issue shall be unclean.
10 And whosoever toucheth any thing that was under him shall be unclean until the even: and he that beareth [any of] those things shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
11 And whomsoever he toucheth that hath the issue, and hath not rinsed his hands in water, he shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
12 And the vessel of earth, that he toucheth which hath the issue, shall be broken: and every vessel of wood shall be rinsed in water.
13 And when he that hath an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean.
14 And on the eighth day he shall take to him two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, and come before the LORD unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and give them unto the priest:
15 And the priest shall offer them, the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD for his issue.
16 And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.
17 And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
18 The woman also with whom man shall lie [with] seed of copulation, they shall [both] bathe [themselves] in water, and be unclean until the even.
19 And if a woman have an issue, [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
20 And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.
21 And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
23 And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even.
24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.
25 And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she [shall be] unclean.
26 Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation.
27 And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
28 But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean.
29 And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
30 And the priest shall offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness.
31 Thus shall ye separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness; that they die not in their uncleanness, when they defile my tabernacle that [is] among them.
32 This [is] the law of him that hath an issue, and [of him] whose seed goeth from him, and is defiled therewith;
33 And of her that is sick of her flowers, and of him that hath an issue, of the man, and of the woman, and of him that lieth with her that is unclean.
Leviticus 15 (KJV)
"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
1 Timothy 6:10 (KJB)
I have no problem with any persons anywhere at any time as long as it is all willing, adults, and not forcing it on others or hurting others. What I have a problem with is when a certain group starts getting special privileges and rights others do not get, and forcing others to believe like they do or be labeled racists or homophobes. Do you see any heterosexuals marching in straight pride parades? Do you see other groups ramming things down your throat constantly and asking for attention and forcing themselves on you? Do you see heterosexuals getting special housing, grants, education, money, tax breaks and special treatment? I don't and honestly as a white male heterosexual christian I feel very disenfranchised and discriminated against! I just wish everyone would be treated the same, not ram their sexuality or other things down my throat, and just work and make a honest living and not bother me.
Let us look at her post and insert the word "Christian" instead of Heterosexuals.
1. Do you see any heterosexuals/christians marching in straight pride parades?
Yes, big ones, national television, for hours, plus tons of radio stations and television stations wholly owned and operated by christian organizations.
Your religion is taught in jails and prisons as a non denominational religion.
2. Do you see other groups/christians ramming things down your throat constantly and asking for attention and forcing themselves on you?
Yes I do. NRA, Democrat, Republican, MADD, Products and People.
As for the last part, I only emerged in defense. And not against some fantasy christian character. I am not ramming your throat with anything but this knowledge. I am not going to sit by and let this society freak out and start murdering homosexuals. Throughout time, society has lashed out at us.
You say because of moral depravity, what you call it, this is the cause of empires falling?! Have you ever considered that this 'moral depravity' is a genetic reaction to population density? People complain of over population and then rail against people who rarely breed? A genetic trait that causes all types of humans, all races and all religions to cease breeding? And you define it to this little group over here. absurd.
You put attitudes on it, clothes and personalities, shown to you on the big T.V.! This is the homosexual you see. Not the millions upon millions that exist outside of your limited perception of what it truly is to be a fag.