The New World Order Is Taking Over the Patriot and Truth Movements

[Mike Philbin]

maybe it's because I've just watched the (not bad) DVD [urlhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0906734/]The Broken[/url] and my mind's still in a bit of a flutter but this world-wide Left/Right paradigm (everything's been a complete and utter lie for the last sixty years) thing is really like waking up to an insane nightmare in the middle of the night. When the penny of realisation drops for the masses, there's gonna be some supremely screwed up patriots out there wondering where to turn and what it all means. We might see a rise in Religious Fanaticism just to deal with the mental trauma.

I'm not totally sure if this wasn't the REAL u.f.o. issue all along that Gov 'couldn't tell the people about' unquote.

Mike

[db]

I would add that the statement is just the tip of the iceberg.

Yes, that statement assumes that the NWO?/Illuminati? etc... haven't been on board the anti-NWO/globalization movement from the get-go.

That's exactly how they work. You go right, I'll go left and my inbred cousin will go right up the middle.  Hut, hut, hike!

[db]

As a former Ph.D. candidate, I much prefer foolish rhetoric.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

The Only way to get this resistance mechanism going is to add some damn CREDIBILITY . How can this movement be taken seriously by the mass population, with outrageous claims being backed by circumstantial evidence.

That is all this movement is known for. WHY??

Well, just as this forum points out, the truth movement is being led astray. People on the air waves ranting endlessly about FEMA camps, and chem-trails. Sure I believe they exist but lets get some credibility in here.

What am I getting at?? it is time for some SCHOLARLY VOICE. SCHOLARS who work at universities, have a resume of publishing, and are respected in their fields, coming on and giving professional opinion, and offering citations.

AS LONG AS THE AIR WAVES OF RESISTANCE BROADCAST FOOLISH RHETORIC WE HAVE NO HOPE.


MOST IMPORTANTLY we need real historians on the air waves, giving cited, documented excerpts from primary resources of the past, to shed light to who OUR (yes all of us resisters) true enemy really is.

As a PHD in reformation history for 2 years now, I can tell you many opinions of many historians. Some dissent, but MOST agree that since their creation the Jesuit order has expanded the political and financial power of the Vatican to an unprecedented level of influence and control.

No, not all of these professors I am referring to agree that the Jesuits control the world today, but nearly all must acknowledge their power because of evidence of Jesuit infiltration into the monarchs of Europe following their creation, its simply documented fact.

Will ALEX JONES ever let any of these historians, including myself, speak the truth on his show? Never.

Why? Because even our bobble headed, loud mouthed, unscholarly, uncredible, uneducated, fool who heads our movement is one of them.

Go to you're universities and talk to you're reformation professors, they cannot deny the influence the Jesuits at least once had. However, let my doctorate opinion tell you that their power never faded, it exists in its near totality today, and as long as some of you refuse to believe these historical facts, their power will remain.

STFU.

[Mike Philbin]

There should always be mercy Mike.

the mob will have no mercy.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

the mob will have no mercy.

So you're all for going round in circles? Hated becoming the haters?

[Dan]

what the F is reformation and why are there professors in it?

Isn't it about religion?

Dan

[White Rose Sophie]

Why? Because even our bobble headed, loud mouthed, unscholarly, uncredible, uneducated, fool who heads our movement is one of them.

Wait, I thought he was a ZIONIST? That's what Brother Nathaniel said.

Geez.....can't you guys get your stories straight?

 

[Raincheck]

Go to you're universities and talk to you're reformation professors

How does someone get a PhD and not understand basic punctuation?

[Dig]

Cybersurf, can you please start a new thread with this information?

Thanks for it!

[agentbluescreen]

From the game plan of the NWO (actually the old world noble-elite monarchist-monopolist tyranny) it must be our strategy here as Infowarriors  to combine, co-opt and draft all pillar-ghettoized 'movements' and attract them into our own such as the:

anti-forced injections movement
anti-child kidnapping movement
Pro-gun rights movement
Patriot militia movement
anti millionaire-socialist 'bailout' movement
anti-war movement
anti-homeland insecurity movement
anti-9/11 coverup movement
anti-rendition and torture movement
anti-CIA/Pentagon Mafia tyranny movement
anti-unlawful search and seizure movement
anti-Globalist Trade movement
anti-gay marriage movement
anti-chemtrails movement
anti-abortion movement
anti-excessive taxation movement
anti-regressive (CO2) tax movement
anti-Federal Reserve-Bank Private Usury Corporation movement
anti-FEMA fundamentalist-evangelist Romans 13 hate movement
anti-corruption movement
anti-drug war movement

all merged into the over-arching:

Constitutional Law and Order Movement

which this criminal Israel and Humanity destroying Bilderberg Mafia so desperately FEAR!

[agentbluescreen]

Cybersurf, can you please start a new thread with this information?

Thanks for it!

Cybersurf wasn't around so I already did, maybe there is  duplicate now or I chose a bad name for it??

"Constitutional" the Dirty Word of Ramrod-Scenario MI6 media juking co-opters (topic 100467)

This is very important information that shows us how we must with STRIDENT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW AND ORDER UNITY attack the correct top  level targets and the all important central and hidden in plain sight Save Palestine AND Israel issue rather than squabbling in the foxholes over the NWO's ground S5-S7 level false flag issues.

[Farn]

If the Entire world was consisted of Truthers - the NWO elite would look like this:

You have to realize IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE DIALECTIC IS AS LONG AS THEY CONTROL IT.

If Everyone in America becomes gun loving constitutional obeying truthers, they'd be right there.

They will do anything and appear as anyone as long as they are the leader.

And that is not what it is about - it is about sovereignty - you are created as such, and it cannot be taken away, it cannot be usurped.

If all Americans were truthers, the elite would not own the media; they'd be out of business.   

[skeptic101]

The New World Order Is Taking Over the Patriot and Truth Movements

Actually, this is old news.

COINTELPRO DIRECTIVES

1.  Make dates-prophecy of some impending event, like Y2K, a Rapture and the coming 2012--this will cause people to wait and do nothing, as they rely on the date to fix the problem and not themselves to fix it.  This stall tactic will create burnout to lessen the numbers and intensity.

2.  Plug the "time isn't right" to take action because not enough sheep are awakened, and that the WWW or whatever media platform will deliver them from evil and the movement with the right amount of money and people will snowball into millions. Post, Post, read, wait & listen will be the mantra--stay in house, don't come out "just yet."

3.  Always hint at a possible political solution (Ron Paul) that will save the day and we won't need to do hard work, the Republic will come as a feather bed.

4.  Have your movement hinge on one personality, no real hierachy beyond that.  Listen to him/her like it was the word of God.

5.  Be paranoid and negative and not progressive and hopeful.  Stay Online.

[Freeski]

I think I just heard a siren. OMG!!!

[mayb]

Hi! Just wanted to add some points.

Most people were BORN into the 'matrix' and as a result, prior to acknowledging the issues, have been a participant. That can be a very hard thing to deal with, not only emotionally but physically. I think the movie 'the matrix' gave advice that few are acknowledging. Remember in the movie, they didn't usually wake up 'adults.' Adults are deeply sewn into their lifestyles. Although the timing is that, such movements cannot prevent destruction any further without the aid of adults; I would suggest that it's important to wake up young people.

Secondly, I think for the initial shock, there needs to be a 'shock control' mechanism in place. Prior to independent awareness, all people go through a state of confusion. They are seeking information, refuge and companions that will embrace them despite their miseducation, defensiveness, etc. As someone here mentioned, some people partially wake up and flip to the other side. It's the nature of the human condition and why such a dichotomy exists. There should be a 'supportive and loving' effort to guide people away from left-right, republican-democrat, and an awakening to the difference between libertarian and authoritarians; and the understanding that there is room for both sides of the intellectual aisle in libertarianism.

For instance, pro-life persons do need to understand that pro-choice (true pro-choice) isn't pro-death; and that people for choice aren't always for death. To allow people to make their choice, just like God gave to Adam and Even in the garden to eat the fruit of the tree or not eat it. By taking away choice, it's just as bad as being pro-death. Pro-lifers should focus on helping people make an informed choice and creating pro-life options to choose from. True pro-choice persons should try to get away from the pro-death movement, genocidal eugenics, etc.

Another point is that truth movement ideas can be alarming to people who are waking up to find themselves a participant. I think repentance should be allowed. It's hard, for someone who is a Jew (for instance) to consider people who seem at first glance to be anti-jew/isreal/zion etc. I have a Jewish friend from high school who is anti-Isreal. Her husband is part of the Green Party (another topic lol). But many people condemn her and she's persecuted for being against 'zionism' yet she is orthodox jewish. She's devoutly jewish and jewish by decent and simply someone who loves God very much. She's called self-hating. The problem is, she had nowhere to go. As a result, she was grabbed up by the global communist movement. :-x

I must emphasize that the average person lacks solutions, options, etc. Someone here mentioned going to a Tea Party and noticing nobody knew about Alex. My suggestion then would be, that these kinds of rallys need people out there passing out advertising, fliers, dvd's, etc. Just as such a movement can be hijacked, it can be re-infiltrated.

[White Rose Sophie]

Hi! Just wanted to add some points.

Most people were BORN into the 'matrix' and as a result, prior to acknowledging the issues, have been a participant. That can be a very hard thing to deal with, not only emotionally but physically. I think the movie 'the matrix' gave advice that few are acknowledging. Remember in the movie, they didn't usually wake up 'adults.' Adults are deeply sewn into their lifestyles. Although the timing is that, such movements cannot prevent destruction any further without the aid of adults; I would suggest that it's important to wake up young people.

Secondly, I think for the initial shock, there needs to be a 'shock control' mechanism in place. Prior to independent awareness, all people go through a state of confusion. They are seeking information, refuge and companions that will embrace them despite their miseducation, defensiveness, etc. As someone here mentioned, some people partially wake up and flip to the other side. It's the nature of the human condition and why such a dichotomy exists. There should be a 'supportive and loving' effort to guide people away from left-right, republican-democrat, and an awakening to the difference between libertarian and authoritarians; and the understanding that there is room for both sides of the intellectual aisle in libertarianism.

For instance, pro-life persons do need to understand that pro-choice (true pro-choice) isn't pro-death; and that people for choice aren't always for death. To allow people to make their choice, just like God gave to Adam and Even in the garden to eat the fruit of the tree or not eat it. By taking away choice, it's just as bad as being pro-death. Pro-lifers should focus on helping people make an informed choice and creating pro-life options to choose from. True pro-choice persons should try to get away from the pro-death movement, genocidal eugenics, etc.

Another point is that truth movement ideas can be alarming to people who are waking up to find themselves a participant. I think repentance should be allowed. It's hard, for someone who is a Jew (for instance) to consider people who seem at first glance to be anti-jew/isreal/zion etc. I have a Jewish friend from high school who is anti-Isreal. Her husband is part of the Green Party (another topic lol). But many people condemn her and she's persecuted for being against 'zionism' yet she is orthodox jewish. She's devoutly jewish and jewish by decent and simply someone who loves God very much. She's called self-hating. The problem is, she had nowhere to go. As a result, she was grabbed up by the global communist movement. :-x

I must emphasize that the average person lacks solutions, options, etc. Someone here mentioned going to a Tea Party and noticing nobody knew about Alex. My suggestion then would be, that these kinds of rallys need people out there passing out advertising, fliers, dvd's, etc. Just as such a movement can be hijacked, it can be re-infiltrated.

You make some very good points.  I remember when I first 'started' waking up, it was a very PAINFUL process.  To realize how completely you have been duped and blinded is very humbling....more humbling than most want to experience. There were days when I would just cry out of sheer despair, which alternated with days that I just didn't want to THINK about it anymore.   And yes, repentance should be allowed because we have ALL been participants in our own enslavement - no one is 'above' reproach in this regard.  It's so very easy to be caught up in the "It's the Jews!  It's the Jesuits! It's the Masons!" polarization - that's just EXACTLY what TPTB want! And it is human nature to want to BLAME everything on someone or something else, when in reality, it's OUR fault that we are in this predicament in many ways. We have been 'assisted' in our complacent 'sheepishness', but the ultimate responsibility for our 'situation' is our own.  And that's where repentance comes in - once we can accept our own duplicity/contribution, THEN we can decide to turn from it.

Your suggestion about using these types of  rallies as an opportunity for 're-infiltration' is excellent!     That is the type of turning 'lemons' into lemonade (and making them pay for it!) situation that we can USE!

[africknamerican]

You make some very good points.  I remember when I first 'started' waking up, it was a very PAINFUL process.  To realize how completely you have been duped and blinded is very humbling....more humbling than most want to experience. There were days when I would just cry out of sheer despair, which alternated with days that I just didn't want to THINK about it anymore.   And yes, repentance should be allowed because we have ALL been participants in our own enslavement - no one is 'above' reproach in this regard.

We all need to repent, no matter what movement we are in. We are all sinners, as sure as sheep wear wool coats.

My "awakening" was from a young age. I was raised by educated parents who made sure I was well educated long before school age. Throughout my schooling I continued to educate myself. I was also raised in a church, thankfully simple Baptist faith, which at least made an effort to teach the Bible. Age 10, I was baptized and made my commitment to Christ. Later that same year, my aunt brought me a religious magazine that prompted me to start my first reading through of the Bible. (It was not a real Bible version but a children's paraphrase -- but still.) I learned many things through this study, and the foundational thing I learned was that God is in fact in charge, and is infinitely wise and infinitely good, and he has this all planned out. He gave us the ending of the story already and it is a happy ending (and no, the story does not leave the vast majority of mankind "lost" in hellfire!)

Another thing I learned, however, is that part of this plan is letting Satan be in charge of the world in this age. That's what scripture says. It's his world (i.e., the human institutions we live under). So, as I began to get into Bible prophecy, and back in the '80s Bible prophecy teachers were talking about all this stuff -- including RFID chips being implanted into people -- I realized this is the logical consequence of the Adversary being in charge of the world.

So I adopted the typical premillennialist viewpoint (things will get really really bad, apocalyptic plagues, wars, famines, the Beast, etc.) and Jesus to come back and save us and we would live happily ever after. Pretty fatalistic and passive. However, over the years as I studied and thought more, I came to see that that's not what Bible prophecy is about. The prophecies are really given with the aim of telling us to repent, so that these things will not happen. Furthermore, the mission of Christians is not to wait for the Kingdom of God to appear, but to be the Kingdom. The Kingdom is not going to appear out of nowhere; it grows like a mustard tree (or bush).

While I am skeptical about the ability to defeat what is essentially a spiritual darkness through political measures, I can at least sign on to the agenda of being responsible enough to stand up for our freedom. It's not about gaining political power but it's about keeping power from being amassed against us. Our freedom is part of the "talents" we are given. If we lose it, not only will we suffer (unnecessarily) but we will be held to account for what we lost.

  It's so very easy to be caught up in the "It's the Jews!  It's the Jesuits! It's the Masons!" polarization - that's just EXACTLY what TPTB want!

To a point. But you'd better keep one eye on these groups. In their leadership, they are far from benign and in the overall scheme of things, very important and very powerful. The Israelites were supposed to be blessing to the world. In the current scheme of things, those who claim the name of Israel are following a very different god and this causes them to be a curse upon the world. 

Put it like this. In the big picture, yes, our problem is simply evil. And evil is evil, no matter wha guise it lurks within.

However, it does not hurt to know the favorite M.O.s and disguises of evil, and lo and behold, evil loves nothing more than to disguise itself in the robes of religious righteousness. This is also repeatedly stated in scripture: the devil appears as an angel of light, and his servants as ministers of righteousness.

So if we look at reality and we see that evil particularly likes to go about in the guise of a "holy chosen people" who assert themselves to be immune from criticism, or in the form of a "devout religious order," then we should waste no time in recognizing it and calling them out.

If an imperialist institution that originated in pagan polytheism, cloaks itself in the garb of Christianity, claims authority to rule the entire world, causes the persecution and massacre of millions of people, and to this date has never sufficiently apologized for its acts -- but to the contrary, continues to claim its divine right to world domination to this day -- then that organization needs to be called what it is as well. The original founders of America, the Puritans, called this Worldwide Hierarchical Organized Religious Empire out for what she was.

No matter how much power and wealth you might ascribe to the Bavarian Illuminati, the British Crown, the 300, the Bilderbergers, etc., the W.H.O.R.E. is the oldest continuous institution in world history, with the largest number of followers. (I can't call them "members" since none of them has any power in the org -- they only get to put money in the collection box.)

And it is human nature to want to BLAME everything on someone or something else, when in reality, it's OUR fault that we are in this predicament in many ways. We have been 'assisted' in our complacent 'sheepishness', but the ultimate responsibility for our 'situation' is our own.  And that's where repentance comes in - once we can accept our own duplicity/contribution, THEN we can decide to turn from it.

This is also true. The purpose of realizing the existence of the Synagogue of Satan and the W.H.O.R.E. (closely connected systems), is in convincing us of the need to repent, to turn to the light, and then to expose and oppose the works of darkness. Certainly, we are not to return evil for evil, but to overcome it with good. Resist evil and it will flee -- but first, you have to expel the evil from your own heart.

[africknamerican]

BTW:

Google search for "Worldwide Hierarchical Organized Religious Empire"   

[DAVIDE MTL]

For instance, pro-life persons do need to understand that pro-choice (true pro-choice) isn't pro-death; and that people for choice aren't always for death.

I'm confused by your statment here, can you give me an example of when an abortion doesn't result in death?

[Dan]

For instance, pro-life persons do need to understand that pro-choice (true pro-choice) isn't pro-death; and that people for choice aren't always for death.

I'm confused by your statment here, can you give me an example of when an abortion doesn't result in death?

I am pretty sure that the idea here is that you can believe in choice, but not promote death. It is not up to anyone of us to tell someone what they can or cannot do with their own bodies. It is an extreme view to connect the dots between prochoice and prodeath. That would be like saying if you use a credit card, you are pro debt controlled society benifiting the bankers and their corporations. I understand the idea, but there are many steps in between choice and death. I personally do not like the idea of abortion, but I would never push that idea on a woman that was impregnated accidentally and doesn't want to put her body through a pregnancy. Maybe my thinking is flawed, (don't tell me that it is), but so is the idea that we should force women to have children that they don't want to deliver let alone take care of.

Dan