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« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2013, 04:54:22 PM »

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2013/03/03/the-lies-we-tell-ourselves-ending-comfortable-myths-about-poverty/

The lies we tell ourselves: ending comfortable myths about poverty

by Richard Murphy
Tax Research UK
March 3, 2013

A coalition of the Baptist Union of Great Britain, the Methodist Church, the Church of Scotland and the United Reformed Church issued a report last week challenging the language used and stories told about poverty in the UK, not least amongst church members.  The report, entitled ‘The lies we tell ourselves: ending comfortable myths about poverty‘ is timely, appropriate and reminder of what the role of churches is. It is their duty to have a bias to the poor.

The report concentrates on six myths about poverty. As they say, the myths challenged are not a comprehensive list but were chosen because of their prominence in public debate, and their widespread acceptance. I think they’re powerful enough to share in full from their executive summary:

Myth 1: ‘They’ are lazy and don’t want to work.

The most commonly cited cause of child poverty by churchgoers and the general public alike is that “their parents don’t want to work”. Yet the majority of children in poverty are from working households. In work poverty is now more common than out of work poverty. It is readily accepted that across the country there are families in which three generations have never worked. Examples of such families have not been found, and the evidence suggests it is unlikely we ever will. How did we come to believe these things?

Myth 2: ‘They’ are addicted to drink and drugs.

Churchgoers and the wider public cite addiction as the second most common cause of child poverty. While addiction is devastating for the families and communities touched by it, fewer than 4% of benefit claimants report any form of addiction. How did we come to believe this is such a big factor in the lives of the 13 million people who live in poverty in the UK today?

Myth 3: ’They’ are not really poor – they just don’t manage their money properly.

Nearly 60% of the UK population agrees that the poor could cope if only they handled their money properly. The experience of living on a low income is one of constant struggle to manage limited resources, with small events having serious consequences. Statistics show that the poorest spend their money carefully, limiting themselves to the essentials. How did we come to believe that poverty was caused by profligacy?

Myth 4: ‘They’ are on the fiddle

Over 80% of the UK population believe that “large numbers falsely claim benefits”. Benefit fraud has decreased to historically low levels – the kind of levels that the tax system can only dream of. Less than 0.9% of the welfare budget is lost to fraud. The fact is that if everyone claimed and was paid correctly, the welfare system would cost around £18 billion more. So how did we come to see welfare claimants as fraudulent scroungers?

Myth 5: ‘They’ have an easy life

Over half the British public believes benefits are too high and churchgoers tend to agree. Government ministers speak of families opting for benefits as a lifestyle choice. Yet we know that benefits do not meet minimum income standards. They have halved in value relative to average incomes over the last 30 years. We know the ill and the unemployed are the people least satisfied and happy with life. Why have we come to believe that large numbers of families would choose this a lifestyle?

Myth 6: ‘They’ caused the deficit.

The proportion of our tax bills spent on welfare has remained stable for the last 20 years. It is ridiculous to argue, as some have, that increasing welfare spending is responsible for the current deficit. Public debt is a problem but why is it being laid at the feet of the poorest?

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« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2013, 08:54:19 AM »

http://www.scotsman.com/news/joyce-mcmillan-myth-of-undeserving-poor-revisited-1-2878384

Joyce McMillan: Myth of undeserving poor revisited


Visits to food banks have become increasingly necessary for many. Picture: Gett

By JOYCE MCMILLAN
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Friday 5 April 2013

THE politics of ‘us’ and ‘them’ have pushed us backwards in time to join the heartless Victorians, writes Joyce McMillan.

Let us now praise famous women: or one not-so-famous woman, in the shape of Helen Goodman, Labour MP for Bishop Auckland.

For during the last parliamentary recess, while other MP’s went skiing, Helen Goodman decided to have a go at living on the “generous” state benefits provided to typical women of her own age – Helen is 55 – who are either unemployed, or have had to give up work through ill health.

After setting aside small sums to cover energy bills, water rates and the new “bedroom tax”, Helen had £18 a week left for food.

After seven days of trying to survive on this, she found herself exhausted, cold, hungry, waking up ravenous during the night, and unable to imagine how anyone living on such a diet could possibly work up the energy to even look for a job in the current tough market, never mind also working 30 hours a week, unpaid, on “job experience”.

Worst of all, by the last day of the week she had nothing left to eat at all. And if you think she must have been strangely incompetent to end up in such a situation, then try asking some of the 200,000 people in the UK who last year sought help from charitable food banks just how easy it is, in low-income Britain, to run out of money for food, if you want to keep a roof over your head.

Nor are food-bank users all unemployed. Increasingly, they include Britain’s army of “working poor”, people who are paid so little that they cannot meet the basic costs of living.

Now, of course, as soon as anyone points out the misery experienced by millions on these rock-bottom incomes, the letters pages and comment strands fill up with messages which are both full of bossy advice, and utterly bereft of real empathy.

“Buck up!” cry those voices. “Make soup! Get a vegetable box! Give up biscuits and crisps, and don’t you dare have a drink!”

Then there are those who simply deny that such cases are typical. They prefer the image – all the easier to promote, after this week’s shocking Philpott manslaughter case in Derby – of the benefit “scrounger” with multiple partners and a dozen children, lolling around in some publicly-funded mansion, even though in fact such cases are vanishingly rare, and account for a negligible proportion of benefit spending.

Those who repeat these arguments, though – and they are legion, across Britain – had better beware. For whether they are in the majority or not, they are beginning to sound exactly, and in detail, like the great right-wing bourgeoisie of the Victorian and Edwardian age; those generations of heartless and economically illiterate buffoons pitilessly satirised by great English writers from Dickens to JB Priestley, whose view of the poor was – and is – always the same.

In the first place, they say, the poor are exaggerating their plight. In the second place, their plight is all their own fault, and could be remedied by a little thrift and ingenuity. And in the third place, they have too many children; so many that the only answer is to punish the children along with their parents, in order to remove the “perverse incentives” that led to their birth.

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« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2013, 09:14:56 AM »

The problem now is that EVERYONE IS BEING MADE POOR by the criminal actions of the NWO globalists who are presently redistributing the wealth (some of which made it legitimately).

So, do you think that should be allowed?  If you don't like poverty, then I would think not!

It makes no sense that IN THE NAME OF POVERTY (helping the poor), everyone is made poor. That is lunacy!

Then the very guys who are doing this then get to be the bosses of us all after looting and pillaging their entire lives. They are criminals, they are not HELPERS OF THE POOR!

Please address this issue! It's how they are doing it that shows they have zero credibility. You don't take from Peter to pay Paul and think you are doing something good.

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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2013, 09:22:49 AM »

The problem now is that EVERYONE IS BEING MADE POOR by the criminal actions of the NWO globalists.

So, do you think that should be allowed?  If you don't like poverty, then I would think not!

It makes no sense that IN THE NAME OF POVERTY (helping the poor), everyone is made poor. That is lunacy!

If you can ever get your knee to stop jerking, would you please point out where I advocated making "everyone" poor as a "solution" to poverty? Or will you admit you're erecting a straw man in place of my clearly stated views on the matter?

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Please address this issue!

I have addressed it:

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160459.0 (How do we eliminate the paradox of poverty & privation amid plenty & abundance?)

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161315.0 (Bureaucracy-Ridden Welfare System vs. Guaranteed Income)

Please think before reacting from now on!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2013, 09:31:46 AM »

If you can ever get your knee to stop jerking, would you please point out where I advocated making everyone poor as a "solution" to poverty? Or will you admit you're erecting a straw man in place of my clearly stated views on the matter?

I have addressed it:

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160459.0 (How do we eliminate the paradox of poverty & privation amid plenty & abundance?)

     [url]http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161315.0] (Bureaucracy-Ridden Welfare System vs. Guaranteed Income)

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Geo,

Thx for the link giving the other side of the story. This thread alone could be misleading for people on the subject of POVERTY (Obama's pet project along with bankers). Now new readers of this forum have both sides of the issue.

My comments were intended to give people a total story on this issue because so many think REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH is ok. WHAT OBAMA AND THE BANKERS ARE DOING IS WRONG!

Heads up readers. Look at the other link and investigate this issue for yourself! Bringing the whole world down to help the poor is not legitimate! BUT THAT IS WHAT IS BEING DONE TO AMERICA FROM WITHIN THE HALLS OF CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE WITH THE HELP OF THEIR GLOBALIST BUDDIES (INCLUDING THE UN) WORLDWIDE, NAMELY IN CENTRAL BANKING!

YOU DON'T HELP THE POOR BY LOOTING AND DESTROYING THEIR COUNTRIES WITH ENDLESS WARS AND EVERY MANNER OF CRIMINAL FINANCIAL ACTS. YET THIS IS WHAT IS BEING DONE! OH, AND THIS IS ALSO HAPPENING IN AMERICA! NOW IT'S AMERICA'S TURN TO BE LOOTED BY THE SAME THUGS WHO HAVE DONE IT WORLDWIDE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

WELCOME TO THE NWO WHERE EVERYONE IS POOR!
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« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2013, 09:52:58 AM »

Geo,

Thx for the link giving the other side of the story. This thread alone could be misleading for people on the subject of POVERTY (Obama's pet project along with bankers).

Except for two articles in my second post, this thread doesn't even mention Obama, so it's misleading only to those who, instead of merely "reading" something, prefer to read into it.

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Now new readers of this forum have both sides of the issue.

Again, this thread doesn't address either side of the "solution" issue, so if certain people are made uncomfortable by the articles I've posted, then perhaps it's a simple case of their feeling guilty for having openly engaged in the morally bankrupt sport of blaming the victim despite knowing it was wrong.

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My comments were intended to give people a total story on this issue because so many think REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH is ok.

The problem is that, whenever someone calls for eliminating the privileges (see this, this and this) that allowed the super-rich to become super-rich in the first place at the unjust expense of the lower and middle classes, that someone is usually bombarded with hysterical accusations of "class envy!" and of wanting to "redistribute wealth." Yet those accusations are Pavlovian responses, not rational ones. And if you dig beneath the surface of those Pavlovian responses, you'll find a deeply-ingrained class bias. Until people realize they've been conditioned by ruling-class parasities to have this bias, they'll continue "policing each other" whenever anyone points out who our common enemy is. So I created this thread to draw attention to this conditioning in the hopes it would help people break out of it on their own.
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« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2013, 10:06:16 AM »

Well, Obama has admitted he believes in "Wealth Redistribution", and then you see what he is doing and that is exactly it. It doesn't matter whether he is referenced in your thread or not. It is being done!

http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=6049&st=0#entry4927677

Since this is happening, and very real, maybe it should be mentioned.

Also, I support poor people. Some of my relatives are poor. What i object to is a bunch of rich guys pretending to help the poor, when what they are really doing is destroying all classes as they bring in their utopian NWO, where they will rule in the end. It's the deception and lies that are at issue here!

If these RICH guys really respected the poor (WHICH THEY DON'T) they would just give all their own money to them and live like the rest of us. But you will never see them do that. Thus, they are big fat hypocrites and liars on this subject and many more.



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« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2013, 12:04:26 PM »

I'm going to list some people I've got know very well....
I'm also asking "What have all these people got in common ?"

(1) sporting world champions
(2) medal winning olympic athletes
(3) CEO of mega brands listed on stock markets
(4) authors
(5) computer wizzard inventors

Besides me knowing these people rather well, being on first name terns, knowing where they keep the sugar .. that sort of familiarity, can you guess what these people have in common, that is fundamentally different to the Elites such as the RottenChilds ?

Care to take a guess ?


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« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2013, 08:18:27 PM »

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2013/03/03/the-lies-we-tell-ourselves-ending-comfortable-myths-about-poverty/

The lies we tell ourselves: ending comfortable myths about poverty

by Richard Murphy
Tax Research UK
March 3, 2013

A coalition of the Baptist Union of Great Britain, the Methodist Church, the Church of Scotland and the United Reformed Church issued a report last week challenging the language used and stories told about poverty in the UK, not least amongst church members.  The report, entitled ‘The lies we tell ourselves: ending comfortable myths about poverty‘ is timely, appropriate and reminder of what the role of churches is. It is their duty to have a bias to the poor.

The report concentrates on six myths about poverty. As they say, the myths challenged are not a comprehensive list but were chosen because of their prominence in public debate, and their widespread acceptance. I think they’re powerful enough to share in full from their executive summary:

Myth 1: ‘They’ are lazy and don’t want to work.

The most commonly cited cause of child poverty by churchgoers and the general public alike is that “their parents don’t want to work”. Yet the majority of children in poverty are from working households. In work poverty is now more common than out of work poverty. It is readily accepted that across the country there are families in which three generations have never worked. Examples of such families have not been found, and the evidence suggests it is unlikely we ever will. How did we come to believe these things?

Myth 2: ‘They’ are addicted to drink and drugs.

Churchgoers and the wider public cite addiction as the second most common cause of child poverty. While addiction is devastating for the families and communities touched by it, fewer than 4% of benefit claimants report any form of addiction. How did we come to believe this is such a big factor in the lives of the 13 million people who live in poverty in the UK today?

Myth 3: ’They’ are not really poor – they just don’t manage their money properly.

Nearly 60% of the UK population agrees that the poor could cope if only they handled their money properly. The experience of living on a low income is one of constant struggle to manage limited resources, with small events having serious consequences. Statistics show that the poorest spend their money carefully, limiting themselves to the essentials. How did we come to believe that poverty was caused by profligacy?

Myth 4: ‘They’ are on the fiddle

Over 80% of the UK population believe that “large numbers falsely claim benefits”. Benefit fraud has decreased to historically low levels – the kind of levels that the tax system can only dream of. Less than 0.9% of the welfare budget is lost to fraud. The fact is that if everyone claimed and was paid correctly, the welfare system would cost around £18 billion more. So how did we come to see welfare claimants as fraudulent scroungers?

Myth 5: ‘They’ have an easy life

Over half the British public believes benefits are too high and churchgoers tend to agree. Government ministers speak of families opting for benefits as a lifestyle choice. Yet we know that benefits do not meet minimum income standards. They have halved in value relative to average incomes over the last 30 years. We know the ill and the unemployed are the people least satisfied and happy with life. Why have we come to believe that large numbers of families would choose this a lifestyle?

Myth 6: ‘They’ caused the deficit.

The proportion of our tax bills spent on welfare has remained stable for the last 20 years. It is ridiculous to argue, as some have, that increasing welfare spending is responsible for the current deficit. Public debt is a problem but why is it being laid at the feet of the poorest?

[Continued...]

  you could say all those things about the rich.

1) they don't want to work
2) they're usually addicted to drugs
3)they caused the deficit,
4) they have an easy life
and on and on.

    Anyone who knows anything knows the Federal Reserve and it's masonic agents are very careful about who they make rich.  Just look at all your big globalist corporations, all the managers follow masonic orders.

    the temples of Freemasonry are merely a physical manifestation of something from the spirutal realm, the unseen world.  They do not necessarily need to meet in masonic lodges to carry out their schemes, but it's nice for recruiting non-demons into their ranks to be used.
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« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2013, 07:24:41 PM »

 What would the elites do if suddenly they were pennyless and in debt with the only solution being as one of the peons, working for a living.
 The wall street collapse: Wall Street Crash , 1929, or Black Tuesday.   
     The super sucklings who didn't get the heads up ( ignored by the overlords) jumped out their windows of Wall Street.. SUICIDED
"Watch out for jumpers" was a daily phrase,  people were very concerned when walking down wall street they wouldn't have one land on top of em.
      These parasites will not be content untill this nations blood is sucked dry, they want it all.
                                       Sorry Geo, went off the map a tad.
   
     
     
     

     
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« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2013, 11:47:38 AM »

You know what's weird is that even when you lay it all out of how the recession is allthe banks' fault people still look at you funny.

There's never the hatred or animosity of say the KKK, a pedophile, a perv, it is like a Robocop Directive 4 with the general public to shut down and not ever get mad at banks.
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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2013, 08:16:35 PM »

 We the peons of this nation pay taxes, go to wars, obey the law, in fact the great majority are legitimate working class citizens.
 We beleive in our constitution, is that a crime. In general most folks have been raised with a deep and unbending loyalty to our goverment/ Nation.
  The key is not the beleifs, they are to be admired. The down side is the lack of abiltiy or basic desire to admit there is a problem with our regime. Sadly, we are in the midst of perpetual war and domestic debt unheard of historically. Americans  have been sacrificing life in limb based on faulty information ( lies), our nation is responsibe for invasions, genocide and torture under the orders of the commander and chief ( the overlords) without congressional approval. So much for representative democracy and a Gov for and by the people. (now however they lay blame on the peons).
 As a child and young man I too was brainwshed, dipped, a societys child upon entering adulthood due to severe and unaviodable circumstances I came to the realization, this nation was controlled with a group powerfull group, that in effect, they had infected/ penetrated our system of goverment.
 I suggest the faces who may attempt to insult and degrade us were to spend days visiting, the National Cemetarys, Veterans Hospitols, meet with the victims of the invasions genocide and torture Iraq Etc,  to uinvestigae the supcorps who have estalbished international manufacturing , , To walk the streets and visit the homeless, to chat with the AL'qs and the US paid Mersenaray forces. To meet with the troppers and get their oppinions.                To search for their souls. 

I know, they don't give a twit, but It is a dream I have, "to emphasize", just a dream.             BUT  G.C-  They don't care..
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