MTV as a tool to stupidify and alienate young people

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MTV as a tool to stupidify and alienate young people
« on: April 05, 2009, 07:36:17 AM »
[For those of you who don't know it yet, "The Beatles", "The Rolling Stones", so-called "Rock" music, MTV, are creations of the powers-that-be. The primary purpose is to promote drug consumption. I believe you'll be able to connect the dots presented by the following excerpts.]


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Al Jazeera English - One on One
05 April 08 "MTV's pioneering spirit"


Riz Khan: "Hello and welcome. As he guarded nuclear weapons for the U.S. Army, he could hardly have imagined a globe-trotting career as the man who put MTV on the map. But through his sharp business sense, and his understanding of youth culture, he helped to shape a generation. This week, on 'One on One', meet MTV's pioneering spirit Bill Roedy."

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Riz Khan: "Roedy is credited with leading the pioneering spirit that made Music Television what it is - a channel that led a generation".

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Bill Roedy: "We actually use this channels to our benefit, because, I call them sources of cool, or sources of influence."

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Bill Roedy: "We have literally almost 2 billion people worldwide, young people, that tune into our channel. And we have this vertical connection with them, we are seen as a trusted voice."

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Riz Khan: "MTV is essentially a very disruptive technology, isn't it?"

Bill Roedy: "We try to be!"

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Bill Roedy: "Boy, music is just one of the... it can be a unifying force, it can be a vehicle for cultural exchange even, it brings people together and it also elicits an emotional response, it is... sometimes is stronger than, I don't know, political leadership, even religious leadership. So music is really a key ingredient to our life"

Riz Khan: "What did you listen to?"

Bill Roedy: "Well, now or then?"

Riz Khan: "Then. I mean growing up. What were the..."

Bill Roedy: "When I grew up it was another generation, of course. So it was pretty harmless stuff".

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Riz Khan: "It's funny you would say it was 'harmless', because it sounds like something out there now is 'harmful'."

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Bill Roedy: "The interesting thing about 'Rock & Roll', when it started, it was very much that."

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Bill Roedy: "'Rock & Roll' doesn't necessarily have to be the irreverence that it once was. But it still, by definition, pushes the envelope a little bit".

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Riz Khan: "Bill, I wanted to ask you about your transition from the Army into MTV. We've talked a little bit about your life in the Army and your work in MTV. What I wonder is what made you gravitate towards MTV, which was a very young channel at the time. It was disruptive technology. It was very unusual. What made you think you had a career there?"

Bill Roedy: "Well, I always loved television and, I don't know, the power of television, the power to reach mass, groups of people and, if you do it right, to connect. Obviously television does a lot of wrong things, so, I don't know, it was just an opportunity to, make it then, if you will, change, maybe in a small way, the world".

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Bill Roedy: "I realized that there was much more power and influence with television that there were with weapons".

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Bill Roedy: "Small things on a large group of people... small behavioral change on a large group of people equals a big thing. So if everybody turns [can't understand what he says] small number in a big audience is equal to a big thing. So we can have an influence here."


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"Lishman - In your book you say that Theodore Adorno helped create some of the Beatles' songs as part of a social engineering program. Won't that be a bit hard for a lot of people to swallow?

"Estulin - [It wasn't just Adorno], there was a lot of help from a lot of very intelligent people to get that done. And if you listen to the Beatles' music, suddenly with Sergeant Pepper there is this tremendous increase in quality. There was just primate crap before that. And suddenly there’s this jump, because of all the people they had working with the Beatles on their songs. There’s a lot of proof of that [they were given a lot of help]. Like Lennon said in his 1975 interview, one minute we were playing whore houses and the next thing you know we were shaking hands with the Queen.

"Lishman - But still, it's very hard to believe...

"Estulin - People choose to believe what they’re told, because if you believe that there's a man behind the curtain doing all these things, then your entire world just folds up on itself and you realise you have been living a goddam lie all your life. I have actually seen documents written by Adorno to the executive director of EMI, which aside from selling CDs and vinyl, is an important member of the British armament industry. [In the letter] they were discussing this whole thing called the parental shift in society. When I saw that I said to myself 'Jesus Christ'. 'How do you change the future? By indoctrinating the kids into doing what you want them to do.' Because if you start with [adults], you're going to have a hard time doing it because they more or less know what they are, who they are, what they want. But if you start with kids, you can change the future of the entire planet, and that is exactly what they’ve done."

--- Daniel Estulin, talking about his book "Los Secretos del Club Bilderberg" (unfortunately, only available in Castilian at the moment)
     (http://barcelonadiary-lishman.blogspot.com/2008/02/interview-with-estulin-part-3.html)


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"The aim of the 12-atonal system devised jointly by British Intelligence operative from Tavistock, Arnold Schoenberg, and Adorno, was a system of music that could program a mass music-culture capable of eroding the morals of its listeners, until they declined to a point where they were totally degraded by it."

--- Dr. John Coleman, "Counterculture: Rock, Drugs, Sex Threaten Civilization"


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"The brainwashing experts that created MTV were very aware of its effect."

--- Daniel Estulin, "Los Secretos del Club Bilderberg"

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Re: MTV as a tool to stupidify and alienate young people
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2009, 08:16:24 AM »
For those of you who don't know it yet, "The Beatles", "The Rolling Stones", so-called "Rock" music, MTV, are creations of the powers-that-be.

I think you're giving the "powers-that-be" more credit than they deserve. Aside from military weapons and police state technology, rarely do they "create" anything.

What they usually do instead is find something that already exists and that already has a grassroots popularity, and co-opt it:

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Re: MTV as a tool to stupidify and alienate young people
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2009, 08:42:46 AM »
"the idea of Popular Music was a Bilderberg-Tavistock creation. They called it “changing the paradigm” of society. The innocent-looking Beatles that inaugurated modern electronic-rock music, in the early 1960s were more than just a rock band. Neither was it the advent of a spontaneous rebellion by youth against the old social system. In historical context, they were part of a huge government engineered [directed secretly from British Psychological Warfare Division] mass experimentation of cultural conditioning against contemporary society as an outstanding example of social conditioning to accept change, even when it is recognized as unwelcome change by the large population group, which has been overseen by the CIA, Britain's MI6 and the Tavistock Institute utilizing extraordinarily powerful mind-altering psychedelic/psychotropic drugs as well as the latest information gleaned from studies into human behaviour through the medium of radio and television".

--- Daniel Estulin, interviewed by a Brazilian newspaper (http://www.danielestulin.com/ciacms/media/pdf/pdf29112006-67516.pdf)



"It is a phenomenon, but strictly a created one."

--- Dr. John Coleman, "Counterculture: Rock, Drugs, Sex Threaten Civilization" (bold in "created" present in the original text)



I could go into more details, but don't want to quote Dr. Coleman's monograph even more. I advise you to read it.

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Re: MTV as a tool to stupidify and alienate young people
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2009, 01:26:55 PM »


First scene of Madonna's music video of "Into The Groove", taken from a film called "Desperately Seeking Susan", where Madonna's character and another walk around with a jacket with an "all-seeing eye" on the back. Above-mentioned Theodore Adorno was a suspected Illuminist.

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Re: MTV as a tool to stupidify and alienate young people
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Re: MTV as a tool to stupidify and alienate young people
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 10:29:23 PM »
I like the stones and the beatles and most rock and heavy metal music. and i have to say that the bands that make the music is something the nwo cant touch
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Re: MTV as a tool to stupidify and alienate young people
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2010, 10:20:23 AM »
I agree that mtv dums people down and distracts them. But the actually music does not. When the beatles and stones started out in the 60's i dont think they said hey lets dum the kids down with our music. I dont even think they knew what they were being used for.
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Re: MTV as a tool to stupidify and alienate young people
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2010, 11:38:57 AM »
MTV was good in the 80's. back when it showed good music videos.
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