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Author Topic: Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and American troop movements.  (Read 959 times)
collin
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« on: March 28, 2009, 09:08:07 AM »

The tragedy is that Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan are closely locked together as an ethno religious nation. Attacking one may mean an attack on the others. All the borders overlap and  have common regions. Pakistan alone cannot bring peace to region without the USA but it may make matters worse yet.

Barak's offer to Iran this week was met with extreme caution considering his peaceful dialogue and tone. Iran could play a peace keeping role in the entire region if they were less paranoid and more cooperative. With thousands of more troops committed and the risk of America acting in Pakistan without permission the problem is now that with the world in recession it will be longer before we come out of it. Who will get most from this? America if it's successful or Iran if it fails?
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2009, 02:20:43 PM »

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Why would Iran be paranoid? would it have anything to do with America overthrowing their democratic rulers,or shooting passenger airliners out of the sky,or setting Iraq onto them,or funding arming and training the Jundallah and the MKO,or waging economic warfare on Iran for 30 years,or blocking every attempt Iran has made to finish the Bushehr nuclear plant,or having military personnel,military bases and nuclear armed warships that totally surround Iran on all four fronts,or that when Iran helped America last time in Afghanistan Bush named them as part of the axis of evil,or  American academics insulting the Iranian prime minister by calling him  a cruel and petty dictator even though he in fact has no such dictatorial powers,or that Savak was created by the CIA and trained by Mossad.

Iran don,t trust America and rightly so because America has been shitting on Iran since 1953,Iranians trusting American politicians is like a chicken trusting Colonel Sanders.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2009, 04:02:49 PM »

Thanks for your reply Jan. Yes,yes,yes, I know you are right about so many things. Iran wants to be autonomous with Oil etc. and has been paranoid for real not imagined issues. I hear this weekend they are talking for the first time to America in Russia about its problems. Afghanistan is more likely to be the problem for Obama and let's hope it gets better and not worse. No hard cheese between us Jan.
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2009, 03:02:55 AM »

Thanks for your reply Jan. Yes,yes,yes, I know you are right about so many things. Iran wants to be autonomous with Oil etc. and has been paranoid for real not imagined issues. I hear this weekend they are talking for the first time to America in Russia about its problems. Afghanistan is more likely to be the problem for Obama and let's hope it gets better and not worse. No hard cheese between us Jan.

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Afghanistan is more likely to be the problem for Obama and let's hope it gets better and not worse.

I really hope you are right but that would mean denying 2500 years of history.Alexander the Great led one of the largest armies the world has ever seen who expanded their hegemony right across the whole region,except for one place that he gave up on AFGHANISTAN.The British army at the height of their imperial power tried twice to take Afghanistan  and were routed both times.The Russians have been trying to control Afghanistan for centuries and have failed every time.

Iran hate the Taliban and the feeling is mutual but the Taliban is not where the problem ends.The border areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan could and maybe should be called Pashtunistan.Bin Laden and the Mujahadeen get all the credit for defeating the Russians but they were a small part of the jigsaw because the main part was the Pashtun,s who are a tribal warrior clan who follow the rule of Pashtunwali a 2500 year old code of honour. Now here is the big one,this warrior clan has a population of
wait for it 42 million people.Even worse is that America,s constant bombing of civilians,wedding parties seem to be the speciality,means that there are 42 million pissed of Pashtun,s in the world.Obama,s surge is like jumping into a bee hive and picking a fight with the Queen.

There is already a thread somewhere from Biggs spelling out the same thing i am saying,the Taliban are themselves Pashtun and we no longer have a Taliban insurgency,it has gone way beyond that.What would have happened if 30,000 Russians landed in Khabul in 1979? answer there would be 30,000 dead Russian soldiers.I fear Obama knows this,Brezinsky brags about giving Russia their own Vietnam,America is just entering Vietnam 2.Obama is either an idiot with no historical knowledge or he wants this to escalate,i believe he knows exactly what he is doing.The 4000 dead American soldiers in Iraq are nothing to what is coming,Iraq is not Afghanistan,that,s like comparing a Poodle to a Rottweiler.

Every American should be screaming blue murder about this,pissing off Afghan,s is a bad move,pissing off Pakistan a nuclear power is just ridiculous.The sad truth is that America,s military might mean nothing when you are drawn into guerilla warfare,how many more times do you have to learn this the hard way.Ask Chris Jones he knows what i am saying.Nobody doubts the courage of American soldiers but your military commanders are a different story.There is no point having the smartest bombs when you have the dumbest strategists.Here is an analogy what do you do when confronted by a snarling dog,you stay calm,you act firm,you appease the dog,you reach out a hand of friendship and pat the dog.Obama is suggesting you kick the dog in the balls a sure way to get your throat ripped out.
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