DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS

[davidnay]

My question is even if thermate was capable of blowing up the towers, why didn't we see like the roman candle of red molten thermite charateristics during the collapse.
When i look at the collapse again, all i see is steel and concrete turning to dust, with the aftermath not even accounting for up to 2/3ds of the rubble pile that should have been there.

Why would you necessarily expect to see the 'roman candle' charateristics DURING the collapse? With all that pulverized dust expanding outward you shouldn't expect to see what is going on behind it unless you have super x-ray vision. The real question is what's causing the pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete and metal? The 'roman candle' effect was captured on video only minutes before collapse which makes perfect sense if the thermate hypothesis is correct.

[Rogue Penguin]

Tesla was a fascinating fella, perhaps you may find this audio of interest, of Dr Nick Begich on veritas show last week.

Angels Don't Play This HAARP; Advances in Tesla Technology. And weather modification.
You will also hear the stunning interview of Judy Wood on there from the previous week

http://www.veritasshow.com/veritasplayer.html

[agentbluescreen]

Steel turned into dust?  Then what did they ship off to China?
Silent demolition? What about the 20 huge explosions? (not 110 pancake-klangs) Boom boom boom - all the way down!
Only 47 "enormous interior" steel columns and 236 exterior columns? what about the steel reinforced concrete/rebar core?

Quite a rambling, disjointed, unscientific, contrived and convoluted collection of folklore, hyperbole and character assassination but I'm suspicious and completely unimpressed. When one looks at this far-out LSD induced collection of claptrap one must naturally not only look at the british accented counter-intelligence source but ask the key question que bono?

The key to good counter-intelligence disinformation is always "good playback".

In other words, include as many unprovable, unscientific and easily debunkable half truths as possible to make the other half truths in the contrived thesis seem to be really likely and really plausible conclusions in such manner that at least a few of the elements of that alternate theory thesis can be easily tossed out, leaving the same wrong conclusions that benefit your side undisturbed while also conveniently detracting from the far more dangerous truths of the far more damaging truth.  

In this money-grubbing Aussie diatribe, we find several underlying factors that speak for an inside co-intelpro job:

-we are asked to believe that the airplanes that we saw fly into the towers were "something else"
-we are to believe that hundreds of witnesses and their eyes, ears and cameras were all fooled or wrong
-we are to believe that a single camera on a helicopter manufactured such a plane crash "illusion"
-we are to believe that some weird Tesla Coil voodoo changed all the laws of science, physics and forensics at ground zero
-we are to believe that some alien gremlins with a "spinning black box" have ruined the space-time continuum at ground zero
-we are to believe that it was once again "just a few extremists in the wrong places that we must STILL fear"
-we are to believe that some supernatural force other than water leakage, blast percussion weakening, chemical contamination and plain old rust caused restorers to scrub efforts to patch up Bankers Trust
-we are to believe that Dr Steven Jones, AE911 truth and Scholars are all wanton, unscientific disinfo opportunist double agents protecting somebody or something with a big Tesla Voodoo stick
-we are to believe that somebody or something smuggled in tons of Philadelphia Experiment gear into a building that is not in sea water to repeat some new version of that coincidentally ill-fated experiment on that coincidental day
-we are to believe that Voodoo Waves can permanently and temporarily radically change the physical, material and metallurgical properties of Red Bull cans
-we are to believe that a veritable who's who of the corporatist military-industrial political bureaucratic CIA Mafia oligarchy are all "watching his website" out of fear that he'll "spill the beans" rather than eagerly checking in to see how their double agent "Truther plant" is progressing with his cointel op.
-we are to believe that attacking Dr Steven Jones personally (the oldest and shabbiest cointelpro trick in the book)  is not an outright sign of cointelpro (so he posts this shabby and belated "drip color" make-up effort here)
-we are to believe that Marvin Bush and Securacom had nothing to do with suspicious and unwarranted "elevator core upgrades" suspicious "drilling operations" on rotating unused floors, suspicious "weekend power downs" nor suspicious "internet wiring upgrades" with the air conditioning systems shut down in WTC 1 and 2
-we are to believe that there was no sequence of concrete core explosions nor early morning basement explosions that initiated the demolition sequences after the nano-Thermates had done their steel melting core support preparatory work, though we have the soundtracks to prove it.
-we are to believe that the NIST gatekeepers all experts in Thermate and incendiary weapons who did not even test for any such evidence nor allow for such scenario modeling in their pre-arrived-at non-investigative conclusions could have no part in the cover up or the crimes.
-we are to believe that respected scientists who have found conclusive evidence of Thermitic incendiary nodules in ground zero dust are all "crackpots"
-we are to believe that all the unprecedented military stand downs, pre-rescinded interception orders and multiple pre-scheduled "exercises" like "Amalgam(Fake) Virgo(Innocence)" coordinated to be able to give the hijackers a "green light day" for their little false-flag black op were all mere coincidence
-we are to believe that the entire Daniel Chapter 8 Show that Mossad agents came here weeks before just to film was just the work of a handful of bad guys with a Tesla coil.

EPIC FAIL

[agentbluescreen]

Oh I forgot that the FBI Mafia recently brazenly admitted to still be hiding the duly recovered black boxes of those "things  - that we are asked to believe that weren't planes" that made those funny holes in the WTC Towers to this day....

[Rogue Penguin]

Congratulations, on the first real passionate debunking rant on this topic. To be honest i expected a heck of a lot more smackdowns from the VET prison planet members.
So seeing anyone go into much detail about debunking DEW always makes me smile. I can see how you want to hold on to your sanity by rationalising every single unknown with such feverent vigor.
After all the entire point of forums like this, is to discuss and share information, with an intention of getting to the bottom of some of the biggest deceptions of our time.

I am a big Alex jones fan, have been a member for 2 years now. I think most of the information he exposes is right on target.
So don't for 1 minute think that i am some co-intel alex Jones debunker.

You are obviously a very intelligent fella, and have done a lot of research on the subject. Big respect.

Now let me make a parallel please between some of the wording in your so called scientific debunking post underneath. To what most of us have had to put up with from the mainstream media over believing the "conventional" Demolition thermite explanation.

Quotes by Agentbluescreen are as follows
"When one looks at this far-out LSD induced collection of claptrap"    Highly educated Strawman comment 1
"the british accented counter-intelligence source"  Wonderfull example of how all British subjects are Co-intel, hats off to you there "
"wrong conclusions that benefit your side undisturbed"  Implying that i am picking sides, how nice of you to think that.
"In this money-grubbing Aussie diatribe" Highly educated rational comment 2, extremely ignorant and racist.
"Tesla Coil voodoo"  Wonderfull technical explanation of the Tesla effect
"alien gremlins with a "spinning black box" have ruined the space-time continuum at ground zero"  Love this one does the word strawman mean anything to you?
"Tesla Voodoo stick"  Bravo
"smuggled in tons of Philadelphia Experiment gear into a building" I suppose it's easier to smuggle 100 tonnes of Thermate
"Voodoo Waves"  are you perhaps a shaman?
"see how their double agent "Truther plant" is progressing with his cointel op"  Thanks again for the well reasoned, fair and balance explanation of what a truther is.

These are just a few of your malicious strawman, attacks on this thread.
So interesting to me when people have to stoop this low in order to appeal to the more nethanderal simple minded truthers out there who are addicted to drama and controversy.

I'm glad that there are people like you who can fully grasp the concept of divide and Conquer, and thankyou for thinking that all the "No Planers "and "Voodoo Wavers" are just here to screw with your more plausible theory of Controlled thermite demolition.
I wouldn't like you to think for 1 minute that we are all the same conscious beings with minds of our own, who have the same basic premise, to expose the Official NIST report as an alternative product for toilet paper.

Please what will be next to shoo away all the pesky "No planer's" and "Voodoo Wavers"  personal attacks??

[Rogue Penguin]

Steel turned into dust?  Then what did they ship off to China?

Could you please send me your video footage, and or receipts of the steel that was shipped to china tyvm

[Rogue Penguin]

Also i am looking for the video footage of the "molten steel"  not a piucture of some spartacles coming out of a window, not 1  picture of a digger with orange cheetos in its claw.
HARD 20 FPS Video footage of Pools of Molten steel, so much so that i can feal the heat this side of the camera, blinding me with the incredible luminscecant orange firey glow.
Lets have some footage of some firemen braving the underground crucible of molten steel, wiping the sweat of their brow from the intense heat.

Tyvm

[davidnay]

Also i am looking for the video footage of the "molten steel"  not a piucture of some spartacles coming out of a window, not 1  picture of a digger with orange cheetos in its claw.
HARD 20 FPS Video footage of Pools of Molten steel, so much so that i can feal the heat this side of the camera, blinding me with the incredible luminscecant orange firey glow.
Lets have some footage of some firemen braving the underground crucible of molten steel, wiping the sweat of their brow from the intense heat.

Tyvm

If the images don't impress you what about the tons of eye witness accounts of 'streams' of molten steel flowing within the wreakage at ground zero -weeks and months after collapse?
And what about the thermal satellite footage? As far as video footage - You're making the assumption that video cameras were allowed inside ground zero.

[Rogue Penguin]

Well the existing evidence for molten metal sadly does not impress me no im sorry. There i've said it.
Doesn't it seem strange to you that that type of effect, i.e. rivers of molten metal wouldn't have been recorded for posterity? for empirical evidence to aid the official investigation?
Does it not strike you as odd that the media were not allowed to cover the aftermath in any great detail?
Does it not strike you as odd, that the clean up operation was carried out before the investigation?
Doest it seem strange that a whole year passed before they decided to actually start a low level investigation?
Does the FBI/Homicide Squad normally clean up the evidence of a murder scene before they investigate it?

If none of these questions spark foul play in your mind, i would seriously take a long hard look in the mirror, i mean seriously look yourself in the eye and tell yourself that none of these questions have any weight at all, and that you have not been conditioned to think a certain way about 911.

[davidnay]

Well the existing evidence for molten metal sadly does not impress me no im sorry. There i've said it.
Doesn't it seem strange to you that that type of effect, i.e. rivers of molten metal wouldn't have been recorded for posterity? for empirical evidence to aid the official investigation?
Does it not strike you as odd that the media were not allowed to cover the aftermath in any great detail?
Does it not strike you as odd, that the clean up operation was carried out before the investigation?
Doest it seem strange that a whole year passed before they decided to actually start a low level investigation?
Does the FBI/Homicide Squad normally clean up the evidence of a murder scene before they investigate it?

If none of these questions spark foul play in your mind, i would seriously take a long hard look in the mirror, i mean seriously look yourself in the eye and tell yourself that none of these questions have any weight at all, and that you have not been conditioned to think a certain way about 911.

We both agree that there was a massive cover up and that planes or fire did not cause the buildings to collapse. I think what we disagree on is HOW the buildings fell.

[Phasmatis]

A scientist who does not have enough self respect to stick to the science should simply not be allowed to practice science. I am sick and tired of seeing science being used as a political tool and full of liars.

[carlee]

Imagine if it was a weapon what kind of madmen would implement it...I don't even like to think about it.maybe someone who wanted to change the News....

 Imagine if such high tech weapons were used to bring down the world trade center towers

[Dig]

 Imagine if such high tech weapons were used to bring down the world trade center towers

well that is proven disinfo, so not sure where you are going with that one.

[carlee]

well that is proven disinfo, so not sure where you are going with that one.

 why would it not be possible?  have you ever read the book The X Files: Ground Zero - Anderson Kevin J  

[kushfiend]

just to throw it out there, I agree with carlee.  I think some kind of satellite beam was used to demolish the towers.  right before both planes crash into the towers, you can clearly see a bright flash, the moment before impact, both times, in all the footage.

wTf  is that flash?  I think it's from satellites flying over head, who knows what kind of "star wars" satellite weaponry the military has?

thats why I think the entire structure was just vaporized like it was.  Others have hypothesized micro-nukes, which I also think was possible.

All I do know is nano-thermite was def used, as it has been physically tested for from the WTC dust.

[Dig]

just to throw it out there, I agree with carlee.  I think some kind of satellite beam was used to demolish the towers.  right before both planes crash into the towers, you can clearly see a bright flash, the moment before impact, both times, in all the footage.

wTf  is that flash?  I think it's from satellites flying over head, who knows what kind of "star wars" satellite weaponry the military has?

thats why I think the entire structure was just vaporized like it was.  Others have hypothesized micro-nukes, which I also think was possible.

All I do know is nano-thermite was def used, as it has been physically tested for from the WTC dust.

flash could be about 1,000 different things other than star wars weapons. could be a laser guidance of some type to guide the plane into the building.

But the use of the Tesla earthquake machine has been rebuked under the following obvious pieces of evidence:

1] this was not an earthquake as it would have affected the other buildings.

2] there was evidence of TONS of nanothermite

3] Molten pools of steel is not the effect of an earthquake

4] this was a precision attack and three buildings were blown up with shape charge evidence having the buildings end up in a pile of nicely organized lincoln logs of steel beams. Earthquakes and energy weapons do not do this.

There are hundreds of other pieces of evidence and the ones pushing this theory are the same ones pushing "it was the joooos" and no-planer disinformation.

please do not fall for it.

thanks

[kushfiend]

flash could be about 1,000 different things other than star wars weapons. could be a laser guidance of some type to guide the plane into the building.

But the use of the Tesla earthquake machine has been rebuked under the following obvious pieces of evidence:

1] this was not an earthquake as it would have affected the other buildings.

2] there was evidence of TONS of nanothermite

3] Molten pools of steel is not the effect of an earthquake

4] this was a precision attack and three buildings were blown up with shape charge evidence having the buildings end up in a pile of nicely organized lincoln logs of steel beams. Earthquakes and energy weapons do not do this.

There are hundreds of other pieces of evidence and the ones pushing this theory are the same ones pushing "it was the joooos" and no-planer disinformation.

please do not fall for it.

thanks

good points.

flash really could've been anything.

All the evidence points to nano thermite, being either painted on or some other means of application, in the few weeks prior to 9/11 when they were clearing out whole floors, allowing only mysterious work crews in or out.

Ever since the movie "enemy of the state" i've become super paranoid about satellite weaponry is all.

[matrixcutter]

1/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_4NrRioRPU

2/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrnvI0N9rKg

3/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOzBUFOR8

4/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6bUW3RczGA

5/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA-brf4LBiE

6/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlck_uf1-ZE

7/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcsztFp105g

8/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEZ2OHaxUw

9/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 59s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXRICy-k6DY

10/10-Dr Judy Wood & Andrew Johnson-Edge Media TV-911and DEW - 25 Feb 2010 (9mins 57s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMeygS9QOOY

Theo Chalmers discusses 9/11, Directed Energy Weapons, The Hutchison Effect, Hurricane Erin and Dr Judy Wood's legal case against NIST's contractors.

Wake up everyone - you're being lied to!

They included a number of images of John Hutchison's metal samples which I didn't supply and weren't discussed with me before and copies were not sent to Dr Judy.

Although you may say "no harm done", the key images which were NOT shown, were, I feel, the ones which "brought things together". They were slides 85 - 90 of the images I sent (archived here in the JPGs folder and in the PPT file)

http://www.checktheevidence.com/Presentations/index.php?dir=911/EdgeMedia/


This meant viewers were not able to see the WTC evidence and Hutchison Effect evidence side by side.

Though I saw on the list some new images had been added, I assumed some or all of my original ones would have been kept and those "new" images may augment our presentation. Sadly, the Hutchison Effect images on their own just look "odd" and so the visual link to the WTC evidence was not shown.

For more information - See
http://www.drjudydeadwood.com/
http://www.checktheretardedevidence.com/
http://www.thehutchisonsideeffect.com/
http://911thermitealmostfree.blogspot.com/
http://www.sledgemediatv.com

Thanks for Theo, Graham, Jamie, Charlotte and others at Edge Media.

[matrixcutter]

Andrew Johnson:

I was invited to go on with Ralph Winterrowd last night to talk about the Thermite cover up. For those who have not yet been able to rid themselves of thermite, perhaps this may help (unless, of course, you are attached to thermite on 9/11 - in which case, who am I to tell you what to think...
 
Andrew Johnson - No Thermite on 911 - The New 911 Cover Up - Ralph Winterrowd - 01 Mar 2010 - mp4
 
Or Top link:
 
http://www.checkthesillyevidence.com/audio/index.php?dir=911/&sort=date&order=desc
 
I only send it because of the re-energising of the thermite story, what with the Paul Craig Roberts article mentioning it, and this Architects and Engineers "initiative" (of intellectual herding).
 
Anyway, you can take it or leave it, for what it's worth!
 
You can also check out:
 
http://911termitefree.blogspot.com/
 
Which I have sent before, but some people on this list may not yet have seen it.
 
Some people say "It doesn't matter whether it was thermite or something else that destroyed the towers." Um - yes it does matter - for 2 reasons:
 
1) It will lead one, ultimately, to the perpetrators
2) The energy weaponry which was disclosed on 911 shows that we are slaves to the withholding of this technology and we have been scammed into using fossil fuels over the last 100 years or so.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Are you interested in what's really going on in the world, behind the facade? Then...
http://www.checkofftheevidence.com/

What happened on 9/11?
http://www.drjudydeadwood.com/

[grapecrusher1]

My thoughts on these jokers should be posted here too.

Amazing how this Wood witch has co-opted so many legitimate claims pushing her phony court case to derail real legit ones.
That video is a phenomenal example of how COINTELPRO operates or how whackjobs gain attention or are given attention to obscure real investigation.  Regardless of the motivations the result is the same.
This Andrew Johnson guy says "there was NO HEAT"  WTF.  There are little balls of metal throughout the debris, reports of waves of hot wind, destroyed beams from extreme temperatures, molten pools that are not extinguished for months.  He has been refused because he is a whackjob that should be marginalized from the legitimate movement.

What a load of crap.  Cannot believe you think these two have a case.  Please use a modicum of scrutiny.

What's going in?  Does the "truth movement" actually want to achieve anything or not?

They are striving for legitimacy by ridding themselves of whackjobs like these two which is key in achieving their goals.

[matrixcutter]

My thoughts on these jokers should be posted here too.

Amazing how this Wood witch

Witch?

Straight in with the ad hominems eh?

Well, if that's how you want to present yourself and your point of view.

has co-opted so many legitimate claims pushing her phony court case to derail real legit ones.

Could you give 5 examples of the legitimate claims then, given that there are so many?

And could you explain how her court case is/was phony, and how it managed to derail the legitimate claims?

That video is a phenomenal example of how COINTELPRO operates or how whackjobs gain attention or are given attention to obscure real investigation.  Regardless of the motivations the result is the same.
This Andrew Johnson guy says "there was NO HEAT"  WTF.

Just to clarify, what exactly does he say and what is the context?  What exactly are you referring to?  There is a moment when a woman is seen waving from the hole made by "the plane".  Obviously the temperature there is not sufficient to be burning her.  Is that the part you are talking about?  If not, exactly what part are you talking about?

There are little balls of metal throughout the debris,

Can you show some examples?

reports of waves of hot wind,

There are reports of 19 Arab hijackers too.  Obviously that is not proof.

destroyed beams from extreme temperatures,

Is this an assumption, or do you have evidence that extreme temperatures destroyed those beams?

There is a clip quite near the beginning which clearly shows a steel beam turning to dust.  How can extreme temperatures cause that?

molten pools that are not extinguished for months.

I haven't seen any real evidence of molten pools.  In the video there is a clip where there is a fireman standing where some have suggested that the molten pools are supposed to be.  Are the firemen standing in molten steel?

He has been refused because he is a whackjob that should be marginalized from the legitimate movement.

This kind of statement is pointless.  If the evidence can be proven wrong, then prove it wrong.  Calling somebody names just suggests that you can't.

What a load of crap.  Cannot believe you think these two have a case.  Please use a modicum of scrutiny.

I have.  I don't care what is popular and who calls people names.  I care about the evidence.

They are striving for legitimacy by ridding themselves of whackjobs like these two which is key in achieving their goals.

I look forward to the evidence/proof requested.

[matrixcutter]

Andrew Johnson:

Hi,

Thanks to an additional copy of the programme sent by Steve J, I have now re-authored a DVD of the "On The Edge" Show with Dr Judy Wood and yours truly, as posted here:

http://www.checknontheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=275&Itemid=60

(Both copies of the DVD were useful as I ended up using the sound from one and the video from the other!)

I have added to the DVD the following things:

1) Some MP3 audios of Dr Judy Wood's interviews - and a couple of mine.
2) Full set of slides sent to Edge Media - including the "missing" images.
3) 4 extra short videos - "911 Key Evidence", "Thermite Free RFC", CBS Special about lack of construction at Ground Zero, 911 Morning Weather Reports
4) Documents from the Legal Case and the Hutchison Effect and other related documents

If you want a copy, please let me know. Donations of £1 (if you are in the UK) or £2.50 (if you are outside the UK) or more are requested but not required, to cover costs. If you want more than 1 copy (which you can hopefully give to others!), just let me know how many you want.

PayPal to advertisementfor.johnson@ntlworld.com

You can either send the value in UK postage stamps or send a UK cheque to

Andrew"Dickhead" Johnson
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xxxx xxx
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Don't forget to include your address if I don't already have it!

Please forward this as you see fit.

Thanks for your help and support etc.

Andrew

[Viper]

*Watching now*

Thanks matrixcutter.

[grapecrusher1]

Witch?

Straight in with the ad hominems eh?

Well, if that's how you want to present yourself and your point of view.

Could you give 5 examples of the legitimate claims then, given that there are so many?

And could you explain how her court case is/was phony, and how it managed to derail the legitimate claims?

Just to clarify, what exactly does he say and what is the context?  What exactly are you referring to?  There is a moment when a woman is seen waving from the hole made by "the plane".  Obviously the temperature there is not sufficient to be burning her.  Is that the part you are talking about?  If not, exactly what part are you talking about?

Can you show some examples?

There are reports of 19 Arab hijackers too.  Obviously that is not proof.

Is this an assumption, or do you have evidence that extreme temperatures destroyed those beams?

There is a clip quite near the beginning which clearly shows a steel beam turning to dust.  How can extreme temperatures cause that?

I haven't seen any real evidence of molten pools.  In the video there is a clip where there is a fireman standing where some have suggested that the molten pools are supposed to be.  Are the firemen standing in molten steel?

This kind of statement is pointless.  If the evidence can be proven wrong, then prove it wrong.  Calling somebody names just suggests that you can't.

I have.  I don't care what is popular and who calls people names.  I care about the evidence.

I look forward to the evidence/proof requested.

There was someone not so long ago that was arguing, here, that there is no proof that the world revolves around the sun.  His numbers were all wrong and any solid evidence to the contrary was either ignored or dismissed.  It is tough to say whether he was just jibing or was genuine, either way it was hogwash.  This is a similar situation and I am indifferent if you believe what you are promoting or not but feel it is encumbent for those of us that hope for some 911 truth that we combat nonsense like this. 

I wont entertain you by going through all your ridiculous questions except I will address the obvious heat issue that you are already backing away from and obfuscating.

Just to clarify, what exactly does he say and what is the context?  What exactly are you referring to?  There is a moment when a woman is seen waving from the hole made by "the plane".  Obviously the temperature there is not sufficient to be burning her.  Is that the part you are talking about?  If not, exactly what part are you talking about?

Minute 7:35 of your video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMeygS9QOOY

btw



And i stand by the "witch" attack.

[Viper]

Dr Judy Wood-9-11 The New Hiroshima

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzSN7dKSAaM

[matrixcutter]

There was someone not so long ago that was arguing, here, that there is no proof that the world revolves around the sun.  His numbers were all wrong and any solid evidence to the contrary was either ignored or dismissed.  It is tough to say whether he was just jibing or was genuine, either way it was hogwash.  This is a similar situation

Why, because you say so?

Ridiculous.

and I am indifferent if you believe what you are promoting or not but feel it is encumbent for those of us that hope for some 911 truth

Those of you?  As if it is only people who agree with you that are looking for truth?

Ridiculous.

I wont entertain you by going through all your ridiculous questions

Of course you won't.  You can sit there and call these people insane without any justification because you are the real 9/11 truther.

except I will address the obvious heat issue that you are already backing away from and obfuscating.

Backing away?
Obfuscating?

I asked you exactly what you were referring to because there are 10 parts to the video and heat is mentioned more than once.  I also provided one example - and not the only one given in the 10 parts (which you may or may not have even watched) - which points towards there not being high temperatures, in this case inside the towers soon after the "plane impacts".

I see you have pointed me towards a summarisation right at the end.  Thanks for at least providing something.
What did you think of the evidence given earlier in the video supporting this view? (assuming you actually watched it.)

A picture with some numbers on it?

What is the source of that picture?  (Before ae911 truth)

And i stand by the "witch" attack.

Of course you do.
It's not about actually addressing the evidence for you, obviously.

[jimd3100]

Two scientists discussing the WTC. One of them comes across as a bit of a nut IMO. Guess witch one?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&hl=en#

Dr. Judy Wood is the lone 'scientific' pillar behind the theory that directed energy beams demolished the world trade center towers. Dr. Greg Jenkins, a physicist, poses a few simple questions to Dr. Wood regarding her research. The full interview was left uncut to allow the viewer to fully and accurately assess the credibility of Dr. Judy Wood and her work.


Might want to take a look at this.....


http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf

[Viper]

^^That interview was loaded from the start, making her out in a bad light, i'm a pod man myself, and don't believe any of the official planes hit the buildings.

*Returns to 9/11 - The New Hiroshima*


I've never known of this fact before ^^

[jimd3100]

^^That interview was loaded from the start, making her out in a bad light, i'm a pod man myself, and don't believe any of the official planes hit the buildings.

LOL! 

[grapecrusher1]

Two scientists discussing the WTC. One of them comes across as a bit of a nut IMO. Guess witch one?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&hl=en#

I havent seen that one.  Perfect and I am only half through.

Here is another smack down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ9-RzMtzM

It was almost 10 years ago we should not tolerate this fairy story crap.

Viper said

^^That interview was loaded from the start, making her out in a bad light, i'm a pod man myself, and don't believe any of the official planes hit the buildings.

WTF he practically has kid gloves on.  I have never seen anything more gentle.  WHAT??

[grapecrusher1]

hahaha
Judy Wood quote discussing debris coming down.
"somebody must have had some pennies on their window"

this is some funny shit

[Viper]

This is my first run-in with Judy and i'm enjoying this new "buildings (completely) turned to dust thingy".
Maybe it was an unknown weapon that was used, like what the f**k do we know, REALLY?
I'm not poo pooing the thermite and i'm not poo pooing the unknown weapon either.

[matrixcutter]

Two scientists discussing the WTC. One of them comes across as a bit of a nut IMO. Guess witch one?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&hl=en#

Dr Greg Jenkins’ “Directed Debunking Energy” and Prof Judy Wood[/url]
Scholarly Questions and Inquiry, or Badgering, Misrepresentation and Harassment?
Andrew Johnson
March 1st 2007

Additional Information in this video:
Dr Greg Jenkins - exposed (9mins 33s)
http://www.youbube.com/watch?v=_

Where is Dr Greg Jenkins now?

Why has he not kept up with the latest 9/11 research posted by Dr Judy Wood?

http://www.drjudydeadwood.com/articles/JJ/
http://www.drjudydeadwood.com/articles/erin/
What was his objective when interviewing Dr Judy Wood? Were his questions really sincere, or did he have another agenda?

It's important to consider all the data before deciding.

This video isolates a few segments from the original version and shows where Greg got uncomfortable

and on this page: http://drjudydeadwood.com/articles/cc/Jenkinspanic.html

Dr. Judy Wood is the lone 'scientific' pillar behind the theory that directed energy beams demolished the world trade center towers.

Are you sure?

[matrixcutter]

I havent seen that one.  Perfect and I am only half through.

Here is another smack down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ9-RzMtzM

Jones & Deagle - “Micronukes vs Thermite/Thermate at WTC”

This is quite an extraordinary discussion in many ways – and in my view, clearly demonstrates that neither Jones or Deagle are being completely honest in their discussion.

You will hear them:

Claiming to be discussing the evidence, but in reality they don’t discuss much evidence at all.
Deagle claim Seattle has been pre-wired with mini-nukes.
Jones suggesting that if there is a nuke-attack, 9-11 truthers should get dust samples and send them to Deagle or Jones.
Deagle claiming he has evidence of mini-nukes from “contacts” but he hasn’t completed testing his samples – even though he is very concerned to find out what they will use for the next attack.
Deagle claims he is 100% sure thermate or superthermate was used to destroy the towers.
Deagle describes the effects on toasted cars as being potentially from an EMP pulse, but he dismisses the evidence for DEW.
Jones gets Deagle to agree that the evidence of no planes hitting the WTC towers is “ridiculous”.
Deagle claims micronukes were used in the Oaklahoma bombing.
Deagle doesn’t know whether they are fusion or fission nukes.
Jones mentions WTC Iron quite a few times.
Both Jones and Deagle talk about an Isotope of Iodine 110 – but this is extremely obscure (the stable Isotope of Iodine is 127).
Even though Deagle suggests there is going to be a multiple nuke attack in the USA, Homeland Secuirty don’t seem to have expressed an interest in this.

Listen to the audio or read the transcript.

continued here.

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We can see that the evidence is not the important thing to most people in the 9/11 "truth movement".  It is the conformity that is the important thing, hence this thread has been moved.

[grapecrusher1]

This is my first run-in with Judy and i'm enjoying this new "buildings (completely) turned to dust thingy".
Maybe it was an unknown weapon that was used, like what the f**k do we know, REALLY?
I'm not poo pooing the thermite and i'm not poo pooing the unknown weapon either.

We have to employ some level of scrutiny or risk being grouped in with whackjobs that obliterate our credibililty.
This is not a game and saying "I like the pod or Wood idea" like choosing a type of beer is weak at best.
We know LOTS.

[jimd3100]

Are you sure?

Those aren't my words they were taken from this...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017&hl=en#

But I am sure she is a waste of time. And I'm sure she comes off as a nut in this UNEDITED interview. Which is why you have no choice but to post an EDITED clip of the same interview (trying to discredit the interviewer, and failed BTW) and have some hack explain to you what to think. That's just sad.

[Viper]

We have to employ some level of scrutiny or risk being grouped in with whackjobs that obliterate our credibililty.
This is not a game and saying "I like the pod or Wood idea" like choosing a type of beer is weak at best.
We know LOTS.

Yeah, and one of the objects of this forum is discussion, i've always been a pod person, don't like the name but there you have it.

[jimd3100]

Yeah, and one of the objects of this forum is discussion, i've always been a pod person, don't like the name but there you have it.

http://www.oilempire.us/pod.html

http://911review.com/errors/phantom/st_plane.html

[grapecrusher1]

In 2005, the first version of the "Loose Change" film (a follow up to In Plane Site?) included the pod hoax, but it was removed from later versions, since the "pod" isn't very popular any more even among the more incompetent (and disingenuous) parts of the 9/11 truth movement, who have largely moved on to newer fantastical claims that aren't quite truthful.

Viper - Matrixcutter is miles ahead better catch-up.

[Viper]

http://www.oilempire.us/pod.html

OK i finally got it, i'll let the pod issue rest, thanks.

*still 50/50 with the unknown weapon idea though*