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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2008, 02:32:14 PM »
Strange.  Why is it that my posting of more from the same author results in charges of "Troll" while another person doing the same thing does not?  Could it be that you want to police the content of discussions to suit your agenda?

 Yes--To keep my thread on topic, because you always try to move it off topic.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2008, 02:46:49 PM »
Noo... it's a picture of you in elementary school. 

Would have been last year... ???  ???
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2008, 08:11:36 PM »
Yes--To keep my thread on topic, because you always try to move it off topic.

From the original post: 'By the author of "WTC7 - This is an Orange"'.

I merely added that he, Anthony Lawson, also wrote the contribution under his name found here: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=14360

So clearly, I was merely following precedent set in the head post of the thread.  Hence, I was posting on topic.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2008, 01:38:59 AM »
Would have been last year... ???  ???

So now I am the topic of the thread?

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2008, 08:06:01 PM »
If you think you have seen all the 9/11 videos thoughly check out these called September Clues. It is a frame by frame analysis of the news footage and the French broythers along with some other "ameture" video footage. Seems to be digital manipulations over missels rather than real air planes.

http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice

Be sure to take time to veiw them all and the entire flick- September Clues.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2008, 08:15:24 PM »
If you think you have seen all the 9/11 videos thoughly check out these called September Clues. It is a frame by frame analysis of the news footage and the French broythers along with some other "ameture" video footage. Seems to be digital manipulations over missels rather than real air planes.

http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice

Be sure to take time to veiw them all and the entire flick- September Clues.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2008, 08:36:36 PM »
http://www.livevideo.com/video/socialservice/6F393F4DE41C4CF798CBB438E6378129/september-clues-part1.aspx

Any evidence is worth looking at, entire video rather than listening to this or that critique. But thanks for the link, i have veiwed it.

I also like the loose change flick and I have been investigting the thing since 02- 03. I am not here to say planes hit or did not hit- but only we all should veiw all evidence including September clues. Its best to think for your self rather than let others think for you is my philosophy. So i encourage folks to investigate all films and decide for them self. Not just Loose change though it is a good one and should be considerd with all others.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2008, 01:07:32 AM »
If you are going to watch September Clues, you should watch this first:

September Clues - Busted
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550

September Clues is itself a conspiracy.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2008, 10:50:17 PM »
Why not watch september clues then watch your clip then watch loose change and not let anyone tell tou what to decide but decide for yourself?

Alls I say is I have seenem all and all have flaw. not one of us is with out flaw.

All of the footage used in SC is avilable to the public and is one groups analysis.

I will veiw your link. Thanx
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2008, 11:26:58 PM »
Ok I saw this clip before and it is a weak attempt to discredit the entire film using a few points. Tactics and argumentations techniques.

Problem is they are tactics. The educated sounding voice is another attempt to discredit SC while they fail to discredit any of the SC clips using a peice of fruit like apples and oranges to calim 2 sides against eachother. Plus the fact is that there are more than 13 videos and your video fails to cover them all but only a few clips.

your clip may have good points but its obvious it is produced by agents payed to find flaws and they have not swayed me one bit by this attempt. I have carfully veiwed SC at least four times along with the supplement vidios.

No one really knows what happend but those who staged it so any attempt to solve the riddle using any clue is solid less it can be proved otherwise imo. If anyone has solid evidence they should present it to Socialservice the producers of SC. I received the film from a European who knows the producers of September Clues and I can say he is solid.

On the "rules for the forum" on the Loose Change site. You are not allowed to even bring up SC. To me that is the most suspiciouse clue of all of who wants to discredit SC. Why? because if there are no planes Loose change has the bunk claims and final cut will loose sales.

The first doc I seen on the 9-11 was "in plane site" so shall we discredit it because it offers dif clues than loose chang? No but use them all to decide for our self I say just to be fair.

I say any attempt at arriving at truth is a solid foundation to build on.

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Non of these films offers absolute end all be all to what was planned that day but only evidence it wasnt the "official story" They raise questions and only the individual can answer those and Me or anyone else can say stop looking now because all the facts are in and nothing else can be discoverd. There is no "final Cut" until the one who actually planned this tell the whole story and we all know that will never happen so lets keep researching and use any and all evidence.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2008, 11:42:05 PM »
PLANES HITS THE TWIN TOWERS.  Argument over.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2008, 10:54:40 AM »
No no... I dont want to argue but only defend open minded and free thought. Let non of us think we have the final cut of information and we are the end all be all of the answers. Let us be freinds who love one another for searching to the ends of the earth for answers to release all the slaves of Despots.
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« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2008, 01:27:27 AM »
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NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
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COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of
covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and
continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church
Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging
pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare
operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing
movements.  These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted
movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted
movement.
 
Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations
popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners
and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the
public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security
and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur
operations.  Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body
politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO
action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around
certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official
Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World
Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were
brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.
 
While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict
eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan
Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their
energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements .
See a problem here?
 
Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a
pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate
questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government
officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects,
academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.
 
Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by
Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501
(c) 3, or “nonprofit” status,  However, recent investigations conducted by
concerned donors have uncovered that her “foundation” does not retain
“nonprofit” status with the IRS.  In fact, more rigorous  inquires have
obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its
home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates
solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants.
“Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to
Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple
complaints with the FTC and IRS.
 
Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their
portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League,
Citigroup, and The National Security Council.  3BDigital boasts to have
partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman
Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defense
contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the
developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the
supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that
these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own
theories.
 
The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man
who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations  of
COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified.
WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he
assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.
 
Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding
the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane
Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the
media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods.
Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.
 
So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors,
major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The
National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane”
pseudo-movement?
 
The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds,
and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas,
before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply
diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more
sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns
has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been
fully exposed: the pyschological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations
of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel.
Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly
begs the question: does it get any more transparent?

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2008, 04:05:58 AM »
Great post,  but it pisses me off too!
Just reminds me of how angry I am at Morgan Reynolds..
I propagated some of this crap myself until I looked a little deeper..

Damn he made a good argument, and there I was fresh into discovery about 9/11..
And his associate Judy Wood had some terrific pictures with seemingly plausible explanations..
But that was his purpose.. To be very loud and obvious with his split from Scholars and Steven Jones..
Fetzer Too.. What a crack pot.. (Was he there because we would be sympathetic to his case, due to his research on the JFK assassination?) They created a pseudo research group and tried to make it as credible as possible..
I watched.. But I kept looking.. Others came along too.. “Loose Change”  is so full of holes, but has become a “Sacred Cow” to a lot of truthers..  Now it keeps correcting mistakes with every edition.. (Which is good) But why the need?

It became a Lihop/Mihop nightmare.. I think it will come down to: "they" let the Towers be hit because "they" needed to make wtc7 happen.. Why? Lots of very important secrets in wtc7.. Central nerve center.. Pentagon? To add to the confusion? or maybe something more..  Shanksville?  Seems like something there wasn’t planned.. Shootdown? Why?

I think JTCoyote is right about one thing for sure.. There are other things to consider besides the physical evidence..
I’ve been through it all.. Learned some of the best, most overlooked facts from de-bunking sites.. (useful tool, if you don’t get sucked into their conclusions without thinking)..
But we have to get into “their” minds.. Instead of “them” getting into ours..
We can do this..  The truth, as always, is right there in plain site.. But we are so distracted that we can’t see it.. Yet..

Always remember what was done to us that day.. and all of the ramifications.. Regardless of who did it..
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« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2008, 12:42:29 AM »
Fetzer has now gone against hundreds of eyewitness statements and is content with the 'no plane' disinfo...confirmed

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2009, 07:50:36 AM »
this one went right under my radar until today...i cant believe it, this might be the most striking visual evidence ive seen thus far.

what do you make of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr4BJ89Df5Q

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« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2009, 08:41:36 AM »
Compelling. I looked at some videos taken from other angles and you can't see it.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2009, 09:53:50 AM »
Global Hawk and the White Planes over both cities. The planes were flown into the buildings by those White Planes...
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« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2009, 04:24:00 AM »
Global Hawk and the White Planes over both cities. The planes were flown into the buildings by those White Planes...

so that IR dot that was tracking the plane was the guidance system? does the IR beam originate from those drones? or those large c130's with the satellite on top

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« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2009, 05:42:14 AM »
Hmm i reckon the guy who made this vid is definitely onto something.
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« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2009, 05:42:55 AM »
I am skeptical about the camera supposedly used for this. I don't see how you would be able to record IR spectrum with visible light at the same time, and be able to see both on playback. I would like to see some kind of test done to prove that filter works as advertised.
And there's the ILS Instrument Landing System, it would be easier just to reprogram the co-ordinates in the computer and sit back and let autopilot do the job for you.

I think they over rode the computer right after they stormed the cockpit and the computers were remotely reprogrammed. Attah himself couldn't figure out how to turn off the mike in the cockpit, how'd he manage to make the course correction, DO the turn maneuver AND score a direct hit into the building. No Fukkin' way them planes were flown manually into the buildings.

The question I would ask is, What does this IR theory divert my attention from, how else could one remotely re-program a jumbo jets computer to fly it into a building.


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« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2009, 05:55:15 AM »
I am skeptical about the camera supposedly used for this. I don't see how you would be able to record IR spectrum with visible light at the same time, and be able to see both on playback. I would like to see some kind of test done to prove that filter works as advertised.
And there's the ILS Instrument Landing System, it would be easier just to reprogram the co-ordinates in the computer and sit back and let autopilot do the job for you.

I think they over rode the computer right after they stormed the cockpit and the computers were remotely reprogrammed. Attah himself couldn't figure out how to turn off the mike in the cockpit, how'd he manage to make the course correction, DO the turn maneuver AND score a direct hit into the building. No Fukkin' way them planes were flown manually into the buildings.

The question I would ask is, What does this IR theory divert my attention from, how else could one remotely re-program a jumbo jets computer to fly it into a building.



I have seen another video from a different angle with the same "white dot" but this video is the first ive seen where the dot continues to track across the other buildings on a set angle, at first i thought it could be trickery or a piece of flying debris but it wasnt until he slowed the footage down that you can actually see the white dot reflect off the fireball aswell, now that has to be a powerful frikkin laser to show up on the camera brighter than an actual fireball ....maybe "they" already had physical remote control units placed inside the planes that were pre programmed and the laser guidance system was their plan b if the RC flight path wasnt corrected in time so the drones essentially took over pilot...of course i may be looking too much into things here but it is an interesting theory none the less.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #62 on: January 06, 2009, 06:10:09 AM »
where the planes wing lights on? it being day time you'd expect them to be off though.

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« Reply #63 on: January 06, 2009, 06:29:39 AM »
According to this...

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/home_run.htm

The didn`t need IR to control them.

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In order to make Home Run truly effective, it had to be completely integrated with all onboard systems, and this could only be accomplished with a new aircraft design, several of which were on the drawing boards at that time.  Under cover of extreme secrecy, the multinationals and DARPA went ahead on this basis and built "back doors" into the new computer designs.  There were two very obvious hard requirements at this stage, the first a primary control channel for use in taking over the flight control system and flying the aircraft back to an airfield of choice, and secondly a covert audio channel for monitoring flight deck conversations.  Once the primary channel was activated, all aircraft functions came under direct ground control, permanently removing the hijackers and pilots from the control loop.

Remember here, this was not a system designed to "undermine" the authority of the flight crews, but was put in place as a "doomsday" device in the event the hijackers started to shoot passengers or crew members, possibly including the pilots.  Using the perfectly reasonable assumption that hijackers only carry a limited number of bullets, and many aircraft nowadays carry in excess of 300 passengers, Home Run could be used to fly all of the survivors to a friendly airport for a safe auto landing.  So the system started out in life for the very best of reasons, but finally fell prey to security leaks, and eventually to compromised computer codes.  In light of recent high-profile CIA and FBI spying trials, these leaks and compromised codes should come as no great surprise to anyone.

   Activating the primary Home Run channel proved to be easy.  Most readers will have heard of a "transponder", prominent in most news reports immediately following the attacks on New York and Washington.  Technically a transponder is a combined radio transmitter and receiver which operates automatically, in this case relaying data between the four aircraft and air traffic control on the ground.  The signals sent provide a unique "identity" for each aircraft, essential in crowded airspace to avoid mid-air collisions, and equally essential for Home Run controllers trying to lock onto the correct aircraft.  Once it has located the correct aircraft, Home Run "piggy backs" a data transmission onto the transponder channel and takes direct control from the ground.

However the report also says that they were probably controlled from the ground, but I belive it was the white jets that were in control myself.
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« Reply #64 on: January 06, 2009, 06:43:43 AM »
Was an interesting video though, thanks for posting.
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« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2009, 06:51:07 AM »
Try using this theory with the general public.  :-\

Let's stick to facts, what we can prove.

I'd listen to April Gallop over the video maker, as one example of facts vs. theory

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« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2009, 06:53:27 AM »
Try using this theory with the general public.  :-\

Let's stick to facts, what we can prove.



The "In plane sight" video series or DVD makes a mockery of the notion of a large plane hitting the Pentagon.

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« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2009, 10:09:53 AM »
The "In plane sight" video series or DVD makes a mockery of the notion of a large plane hitting the Pentagon.
I'm not sure if I've seen that documentary but all people need to ask is: 'Why can't we see the 82 or so videos of the Pentagon at the time when you, the Government claims that a commercial 747 airliner struck it? If the flight data recorder is right then how is it that national security can be claimed?'

For some of the general public it's best just to ask them about the video surveillance tapes being withheld. With others with more intelligence the structural damage is obviously not a 747 but either a smaller (Fighter?) jet or missile.

But the biggest question of all which really hasn't been a major talking point amongst the 9/11 truth movement (Correct me if I'm wrong). The failure of anti-aircraft missile batteries and proximity alerts at the Pentagon. To me this is as important as WTC 7.

Not to mention the Flight 93 which has many questions open for debate.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2009, 04:04:04 PM »
the planes hit supposedly at 500 mph, the twin towers were 63m in width, the wingspan of the planes were about 50, they each hit at a 30-45 degree angle meaning they BANK TURNED INTO the towers. Also, in both cases, the entire plane it the towers, its not as if they just clipped their wing on them. Basic trigonometry will tell u that the nose cone would have to hit near the center of that 63m width with a 30m margin of error. 30 meters is about the width of ur average runway.

Could one land a plane at 500 miles an hour? could one line up to a runway at 500 miles an hour?

500 mph is about 220 meters per second, meaning that the planes travelled about 4 times the width of the towers each second. If they had turned just a fraction of a second too late or too early, or if they banked too shallow or too steep they would have completely missed the towers.

Theres no way atta could have done this... pilots with thousands of hours of experience have tried to hit those buildings in simulations and failed.

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« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2009, 06:56:21 PM »

Theres no way atta could have done this... pilots with thousands of hours of experience have tried to hit those buildings in simulations and failed.

to quote Sherlock Holmes...
"when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains - no matter how improbable - must be the truth"

Sounds like missiles......with the planes being CGI.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2009, 06:57:52 PM »
I'm not sure if I've seen that documentary but all people need to ask is: 'Why can't we see the 82 or so videos of the Pentagon at the time when you,

Right....there's heaps of camera's on and around the Pentagon, not to mention the gas station which had it's footage confiscated.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #72 on: January 06, 2009, 07:09:13 PM »
Sounds like missiles......with the planes being CGI.

no im not a no planer, i meant remote IR hijackings ... ppl argue against it coz it could be easily overriden ... i was just using the quote to say that no matter how impractical it is, its pretty much the only plausible option.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #73 on: January 06, 2009, 07:16:24 PM »
no im not a no planer, i meant remote IR hijackings ... ppl argue against it coz it could be easily overriden ... i was just using the quote to say that no matter how impractical it is, its pretty much the only plausible option.

What about the nose in, nose out nonsense?....and if you accept no plane at the Pentagon, why so unreasonable to accept no planes at all, especially as many eyewitnesses mention missiles.



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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #74 on: January 06, 2009, 07:20:41 PM »
I dont dispute the idea of guidance systems but I dont think a computer guided plane would need a "light" to find its way as if it has eyes.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2009, 07:25:00 PM »
What about the nose in, nose out nonsense?....and if you accept no plane at the Pentagon, why so unreasonable to accept no planes at all, especially as many eyewitnesses mention missiles.



i dont accept the no plane at the pentagon... or at shanksvile... i think its interesting that they havent released any pentagon videos... but thats probably a psyop in itself to promote the no plane theories ... as far as im concerned if they can crash 2 planes, they can crash 4.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2009, 07:25:46 PM »
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4WzF8_x0no&feature=related


Watch the first 8 seconds for the most ridiculous nose in nose out bullshit you'll ever see.


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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2009, 08:00:52 PM »
we have to be really critical about questionable "mediocrity".                      It mitigates our credibility.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2009, 08:01:49 PM »
Even though the flying horns of the He-Goat had nothing to do with the bombing and felling of the two horns of the Ram, the planes were of important propaganda and tactical value to this poorly staged Daniel Chapter 8 Show, and it's MI6/Fed/Pentagon World Order, the Bush Neocon sycophants and the NYC Asbestos-Lawsuit Remediation program.

This is exactly the 'invisible' laser targeting technique used for weapon guidance controls on smart military guidance systems developed for and based upon cruise autopilot systems  of advanced aircraft by forward ground 'smart artillery' soldiers.
 

And yes even the most primitive 'transistor-age' black and white home surveillance image Reticon and image Othicon tubes and electronics are very, very sensitive to ultraviolet light wavelengths as are all modern solid state CCD (optically charge coupled addressable ram chips) used in digital cameras! Moreover the filtered data is not lost. the invisible wavelength information is recorded and preserved nonetheless attenuated as clearly discriminable added ultra-white information! (out-of-gamut chrominance) This is forensic evidence of incredibly important and damning stature that must be explained.

Just how did a bunch of US trained Arabs who couldn't fly a Piper Cub or tell the difference between a cabin PA and the ATC radio know how to patch an optical target acquisition computer into the Autopilot, much less obtain the hardware to do so?? (Or know that the countries entire NORAD ADIZ system and commercial ATC and military ADI radars would be down all day that particular day, confounded with 'exercises' so that they could leisurely cruise by, comfortably passing directly over more than 55 active military and USCG air bases without concern?)

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #79 on: January 06, 2009, 08:08:09 PM »
why is this not seen in other footage?
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