DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS

[Overcast]

Alot of people have been duped by the no-plane theories... some celebrities and other once-credible people have aswell ... such as Warren Cuccurullo and David Shayler... not saying they're disinfo agents (altho there's evidence to suggest Shayler may in fact be a victim of mind control programming) so of course not EVERY no planer is a disinfo shill... but the main advocates and the people who made the movies probably are.

Yeah, there were certainly planes involved. Of course; the origin and cargo/payload of the planes - that's another matter.

[Unintelligable Name]

Dear ChemicalRain

I asked for (if you have it to hand) a link to a Prison Planet Forumorum discussion about the validity of this NO PLANE theory. And then I added the bit about "do you mean no planes = added later or no planes = holographic technology projected into the skies of New York on 9/11.

Don't take Xereau's response as a get-out clause, just answer my honest questions. Which sort of no planer are you and is there a link I can read up on that goes into greater detail here on PP than the stuff I've already come across on th'internet (the font of all truth and knowledge)?

How about you go and have a reaaaaaaly long and hard think about whether it matters if there were any planes or not, then if you think it does matter in the big scheme of things, think about the impact and such and weigh that against my time and yours and perhaps I will answer your so far seemingly pointless question.

It is on the order of Zionist Nukes. In essence for those who can't figure it out yet.... it really doesn't matter what caused the towers to collapse other than the fact that it was an inside job. If we somehow as a Nation get to the point where we are holding individuals responsible it may have some relevance in figuring out who supplied what  specific technology.

[phasma]

I`m pretty sure there was planes - why would they be squeamish about killing a few hundred people when they went ahead and killed a few thousand !
The "there was no planes " theory is just an attempt to make all other conspiracy theories seem ridiculous by association.

[Mike Philbin]

How about you go and have a reaaaaaaly long and hard think about whether it matters if there were any planes or not, then if you think it does matter in the big scheme of things, think about the impact and such and weigh that against my time and yours and perhaps I will answer your so far seemingly pointless question.

Another waste of time from another smart-... Really, we don't need this. Why can't you just answer a simple question like "What sort of a f**king no-plane loon are you?"  and quit f**king with the good fellows on this forum?

...-ass.

[Unintelligable Name]

Everything you want to know has already been stated. Go forth and argue with the wall, that will only tie up one mind instead of two.

Any time wasted has been your own doing.

For the record fellows of this forum: I have very little desire to argue about anything. You cannot inflate me, goad me, or egg me on to artificially inflate my desire to argue. It's a waste of liiiiiife.

[Dig]

How about you go and have a reaaaaaaly long and hard think about whether it matters if there were any planes or not, then if you think it does matter in the big scheme of things, think about the impact and such and weigh that against my time and yours and perhaps I will answer your so far seemingly pointless question.

It is on the order of Zionist Nukes. In essence for those who can't figure it out yet.... it really doesn't matter what caused the towers to collapse other than the fact that it was an inside job. If we somehow as a Nation get to the point where we are holding individuals responsible it may have some relevance in figuring out who supplied what  specific technology.

Please refer to my earlier post on this thread.

Thanks

[Unintelligable Name]

Please refer to my earlier post on this thread.

Thanks

For what possible purpose?

Plausible: Superficially pleasing or persuasive

My point is still lost on the folks of this thread... in favor of what exactly? Oh right...

[Mike Philbin]

iff micro-nukes were used @ WTC 1 and 2 on September 11 2001, how long before the epidemic of cancers start to result? is anyone tracking those people who may no longer be resident in New York?

also, wasn't there a EMP (nuke associated) hit that took down the communication network on teh day, or was it just because there was a telephone broadcast tower on top of WTC 1 or 2?

Mike

[Biggs]

iff micro-nukes were used @ WTC 1 and 2 on September 11 2001, how long before the epidemic of cancers start to result? is anyone tracking those people who may no longer be resident in New York?

also, wasn't there a EMP (nuke associated) hit that took down the communication network on teh day, or was it just because there was a telephone broadcast tower on top of WTC 1 or 2?

Mike

there have been a significant number of exotic cancers and people with effects similar to Gulf War Syndrome, but micro nukes are by definition only micro so it would not be expected to see vast numbers, and of course any lung related cancers could very easily be asbestososis.

micro nukes - even if only used for a small element of the demolition, would explain the tiny particle sizes found, although they do not replace the thermite theory by any means, in my view they are complementary, especially if used in the basement or on one or two key floors.

if they had been used on every floor I am sure we would have seen more squibs

further, as they are micro nukes the EMP effect would be small, but it could explain why the phones went down, although clearly so could other factors such as a large fire in the WTC taking out the electric supply etc.

I suspect there was some limited use of micro nukes, but they were an addendum to the main demolition method of thermite/ate

that would explain some of the stuff found in the drain water and the nano particles, but also explain why more obvious signs of micro nukes were not witnessed, which surely would been the case if we had 110 lots of micronukes - twice over, plus WTC 7

 
 

[Mike Philbin]

the molten metal in the FIVE STOREY basements of WTCs is the proper smoking gun, IMHO

but as much corroborative effort on the micro-nuke stuff either way would be great

[Biggs]

the molten metal in the FIVE STOREY basements of WTCs is the proper smoking gun, IMHO

but as much corroborative effort on the micro-nuke stuff either way would be great

it certainly would but do not hold your breath there is too much division over such things at the moment and only the very mainstream 9-11 demolition theories are being explored in depth.

[Unintelligable Name]

Oh no not again....

Ed Ward is a loose cannon who thinks Alex Jones and the "BYU crew" are traitors to the United States for their 'cover-up' of the zionist 'jukes' (jew nukes) at the WTC towers.

He was debated over many pages, with the topic ultimately locked on my closing statements of "F**k you Ed Ward."

Aside from his personal trip -- yeah it's possible some small, very small, nuclear device was used -- given the presence of plutonium and so much pyroclastic dust... but a bomb's a bomb in my book so I care very little.

[Biggs]

it is alright there is not about to be a big debate on the topic on this thread, I agree Ed Ward himself is by no means the be all and end all of the debate, will we ever find out for sure? who knows!

[Mike Philbin]

yeah it's possible some small, very small, nuclear device was used -- given the presence of plutonium and so much pyroclastic dust.

Imagine if the MSM had balls and ran with the findings (if there are findings) of such a revelation of that sad day.

[Unintelligable Name]

Imagine if the MSM had balls and ran with the findings (if there are findings) of such a revelation of that sad day.

I'd rather they didn't... wouldn't go over well in the minds of men and women of our country.

"Were nuclear bombs used to blow up the WTC?"

"OMFG AL QAIDA HAS SUIT CASE NUKES!?!?"

Yeah..... I know what you were implying... but that ain't gonna happen.

[grapecrusher1]

Steven Jones who has postulated and proven the nanothermite claim has a background in nuclear physics and has ruled out that possibility at the WTC.  I dont understand how these ideas gain ground when they have been shot down and legit tangible scenarios have been set forth.
There has been nano thermite found at the site put this crap to rest and spend time speculating on the existence of bigfoot.

[Biggs]

rather than complaining why not tell us what nanothermite is, or even better give a link.

I was unaware of his findings, as are most people, and the idea that some form of micro nuke was used, however, insignificant to the whole demolition, is very widespread within the movement, far more so than no planes or scalar weaponary.

hence it would be useful if you provide such info, or even a link, it is more constructive than childish comments about bigfoot, and indeed it would be a service to spreading truth, unlike complaining.

[BernieMadoff]

well those planes had to go somewhere right? and the people too.

i just dont see how the no plane theory even came to light.

if the criminals had people and planes to dispose of, then why would they like an earlier poster said, spend more money on some hologram technology, plus other explosives for when they hit the towers, instead of just using what would work anyways, which would be the real planes carrying the real poeple they need to dispose of anyways.

seems like EXTREME disinfo

[TheCaliKid]

No planes sucks

[Treetrunk]

I'm sure this has been covered here, but there is something that has always bugged me about the "no planers" movement and I feel the need to go into it.

The first thing I thought when I saw a video trying to prove that there were no planes used on 9/11 was that it would be really stupid (if the government did fake the planes using CGI) to use in all of the videos and photographs a plane that does not match the plane it is supposed to represent.

Why would they take all of the 9/11 footage and cover up missiles or space beams with an image of a plane that doesn't look like the plane it's supposed to be? If this was planned so far in advance then why not use a CGI model that looks like a normal commercial airliner? It's not like they would have been scratching their heads on the tenth saying "Gee, we should probably have some workable CGI models of the planes so we can cut and paste them later...oh no, we've run out of time...looks like we'll have to use that already existing CGI model of a military drone plane that we were gonna use as a 3-D GIF logo on our new military tech website..."

To that you could say, "Well, in that case why use an ACTUAL plane that doesn't look like the right type of plane, why not use a pretty white plane with windows and logos on it?"

Clearly they used a plane dark in colour with something on it's belly. This has been said by some to be a remote guidance pod, is that correct information? Anyway, there is definetley a bulge there and seeings as those bulges are not on regular planes that would lead me to think that the plane was chosen for it's functional abilities rather than it's likeness to the plane that  it was meant to represent.

So they needed planes with bulges underneath them, planes with bulges that could stunt-double for the actual passenger planes said to have been used in the attacks. That would explain to me why the pictures and videos of the second plane look so unusual, it wasn't chosen because it looks like the plane it's standing in for, it was chosen because it would work well enough for both purposes (destroying the WTC/posing as a passenger aircraft).

I can see that meeting in my mind and it makes more sense, "gee, if we do it like that we'll need a remote guided plane with similiar characteristics to a passenger jet...do we have anything like that?"

If you follow the "no planes" theory then there is no excuse for the plane to be dark in colour and have a pod under it's fuselage. It's just a very stupid thing to do.

If you follow the "two planes" evidence then it's still an error on their part to have used such a plane, but understandable because they would have only used it out of necessity. I'm sure the plane they used was the best choice out of the whole bunch...all of the special features needed to wreak havoc plus it looks about right and would fool the average person looking at it.

I've seen no planers post things like "Why would the NWO use nano-thermite and planted detonations inside the WTC if there really were planes, they wouldn't have needed to blow it up, the planes would have done it..."

I really have seen comments like that and it bothers me because the whole point of why you would need to plant bombs in the buildings is that flying two planes into them could not have brought them down that way. And these same people are watching videos telling them not just that the planes aren't real, but factual stuff mixed in...factual stuff like two planes could not have taken down the world trade center.

[Rogue Penguin]

Please check out this seminar by Andrew jackson and make your own mind up.
I spoke to Andrew Personally last week, below is a copy of his message.

adjuk
Re:upload permission
Hi there,

Thanks for contacting me! Quick message before I go to bed. Please upload any of my videos to your channel.

Yeah, I had to get chips at the BK talk I did - I had no time to get food having driven up from Derby - tends to be a problem at these events. I do like fish and chips though!!

I very much doubt Alex Jones would have myself or Dr Judy Wood on his programme. If I was invited, I would probably decline anyway. To understand why, have a look at this page if you wish.


http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202&Itemid=60

The grey coloured paragraph is the main bit

This is included in my free e-book too (PDF download is free):

http://tinyurl.com/911book

There are many who are only giving you "a bit of truth" and then leading people off in the wrong direction in other matters. The give away is when they get angry and stark attacking people instead of discussing the actual evidence they are presenting.
Steve Jones and Molten Aluminium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnkCYFGH9Y
On 07 Jun 2006 on the Alex Jones show, Dr Steven E Jones claimed that Molten Aluminium is Silvery at *ALL* temperatures in daylight conditions .

This claim is false. Why would an educated physicist repeatedly make such a false claim?

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/Aluminum_Glows.html


Message to Alex Jones, please try to get Andrew on your show to discuss these topics in a fair and balanced manner, (Not a Peter Joeseph witch hunt)
I think you will find many of the topics Andrew and Judy Wood bring to light do actually make a lot of sense, also backed up with plenty of scientific evidence.
Put the doubters to rest, by showing them you are not intentionally avoiding this issue please.

Rogue Penguin

[Rogue Penguin]

Please check out this seminar by Andrew johnson and make your own mind up.
I spoke to Andrew Personally last week, below is a copy of his message.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRoguepenguin#p/c/01278E048D044761    playlist for Andrew Johnson

adjuk
Re:upload permission
Hi there,

Thanks for contacting me! Quick message before I go to bed. Please upload any of my videos to your channel.

Yeah, I had to get chips at the BK talk I did - I had no time to get food having driven up from Derby - tends to be a problem at these events. I do like fish and chips though!!

I very much doubt Alex Jones would have myself or Dr Judy Wood on his programme. If I was invited, I would probably decline anyway. To understand why, have a look at this page if you wish.


http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202&Itemid=60

The grey coloured paragraph is the main bit

This is included in my free e-book too (PDF download is free):

http://tinyurl.com/911book

There are many who are only giving you "a bit of truth" and then leading people off in the wrong direction in other matters. The give away is when they get angry and stark attacking people instead of discussing the actual evidence they are presenting.
Steve Jones and Molten Aluminium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnkCYFGH9Y
On 07 Jun 2006 on the Alex Jones show, Dr Steven E Jones claimed that Molten Aluminium is Silvery at *ALL* temperatures in daylight conditions .

This claim is false. Why would an educated physicist repeatedly make such a false claim?

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/Aluminum_Glows.html


Message to Alex Jones, please try to get Andrew on your show to discuss these topics in a fair and balanced manner, (Not a Peter Joeseph witch hunt)
I think you will find many of the topics Andrew and Judy Wood bring to light do actually make a lot of sense, also backed up with plenty of scientific evidence.
Put the doubters to rest, by showing them you are not intentionally avoiding this issue please.

Rogue Penguin

[davidnay]

I don't know enough about molecular physics and what not to have an educated opinion on this subject, but when you look at both sides and listen to their arguements it becomes clear who is telling the truth and who is not. There have been numerous experiments and research papers validating Stevens Jones' claims which are backed up by the scientific method used to reach those conclusions. All you have is a 47 sec Youtube video(with no video) and and a couple of random photos claiming to be of red hot Molten Aluminium. Please.. Do you have anything else?

[Optimus]

Are you trying to say that the molten material pouring out of the WTC tower is molten aluminum from the plane?

Steve Jones and Molten Aluminium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnkCYFGH9Y
On 07 Jun 2006 on the Alex Jones show, Dr Steven E Jones claimed that Molten Aluminium is Silvery at *ALL* temperatures in daylight conditions .

This video is misleading as the pictures in it DO NOT show molten aluminum being poured in DAYLIGHT conditions, but rather indoors in low light.

Molten aluminum does appear to have a yellow-orange appearance where there is low light conditions, such as a furnace:



However, in daylight it appears SILVER. Here is molten aluminum from the same foundry as it is being poured in the daylight:



And here is reddish molten aluminum in a foundry:



But when it is poured it looks silver-colored (this is the same molten aluminum being poured a couple of seconds later):





More info: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/11/dr-jones-is-right-molten-aluminum-is.html


Sorry, Dr. Jones is correct, molten aluminum pouring down in the daylight is silver colored and the molten metal pouring from the WTC building could not be aluminum from the plane.

[Scootle]

Molten alluminium can glow orange but only if its 1000 plus degrees celcius... according to NIST's metallurgy study the fires were no hotter than 600 celcius. Even if the fires were hotter than 1000 celcius, the alluminium would just heat up to 700 celcius, melt and then flow away from the fire and cool. the only way that could be alluminium is if the alluminium was contained so that it could reach 1000 celcius... but then it wouldnt have poured out! ... also in one video it isnt just pouring out its spraying out!

[trailhound]

Molten alluminium can glow orange but only if its 1000 plus degrees celcius... according to NIST's metallurgy study the fires were no hotter than 600 celcius. Even if the fires were hotter than 1000 celcius, the alluminium would just heat up to 700 celcius, melt and then flow away from the fire and cool. the only way that could be alluminium is if the alluminium was contained so that it could reach 1000 celcius... but then it wouldnt have poured out! ... also in one video it isnt just pouring out its spraying out!

 Yep looks like penguin needs to punt..

 DEW weapons are not off my radar though   

[Rogue Penguin]

I wasn't posting this information to get into a heated debate about who is right or wrong guys.
Regardless of whether you think Molten Aliminium is Silver or Yellow in appearance. Please bear in mind that silicone from the windows and other office furniture could be mixed in with it.

Yellow liquid poring out of the window does not mean 100 pct that it is Thermite/Thermate.

For a long time i have went along with the thermate crowd, but to be honest untill someone can demonstrate to me how this can be done, to simulate what actually happened on the day of collapse, i still have plenty of questions.

Think about this, if the 2 towers were actually imploded by thermate, why do we not see 1 orange glow as the towers collapse. All we see is everything turning to dust.
And all we have to go on for evidence of molten metal is a picture of a digger, and a few eye witness testimonies. Where is the f**king video footage of all this molten metal pouring down the rails??

To be honest i don't think anyone actually watches the Judy wood info all the way through, they just violently oppose it from the get go.

I'm no genuis, but i'm statring to smell rats everywhere as to what the real truth of that day was.
Please watch the whole seminar by Andrew Johnston i posted on my youtube, link is at the top of post.

[davidnay]

I wasn't posting this information to get into a heated debate about who is right or wrong guys.
Regardless of whether you think Molten Aliminium is Silver or Yellow in appearance. Please bear in mind that silicone from the windows and other office furniture could be mixed in with it.

Office furniture/supplies mixed in with the Molten Aluminium has been ruled out as the cause for the red glow. Sorry I don't have a link but I remember reading a very thorough research paper absolutely ruling that out. Can anyone find this link? It's a pdf..

[agentbluescreen]

Note in the photos above that the ONLY POSSIBLE supposed 6-700 degree (understandable office furniture and plane wreckage) "fire" who's RISING heat is what is supposed to be "melting stuff" in the widely disproved and impossible "19 hijackers conspiracy theory" is almost TWO FLOORS ABOVE AND WAY TO THE LEFT OF the melting molten steel, that appears to be dripping out from the building's core columns along a collapsed floor gash cut by the escaping jet engine that blew the rounded two floor high hole out the side we are looking in at the heavily steel core-surrounded concrete core through (on an angle view)!!


View the angular viewed-shape and location of the concrete cores here: http://concretecore.741.com/

Even though the light is somewhat shaded silver-white pourable-drippable flowing "liquid" aluminum at 1100 degrees is still not hot enough to melt steel, even if there had been a fire UNDER it to bring it to such a temperature!

[Mike Philbin]

okay,

I'm on part 4 of 14, it looks like this guy's a NO PLANER and despite that I'll finish all the parts. That's what people should do, watch all the evidence for themselves before making a decision. An interestingly knowledgable Scouse audience, too.



Mike

[Rogue Penguin]

Thank you mike, i respect the fact that you will actually watch his info.
And i'n not so niave to believe everything said in them lectures.
But at the very least it will make you think again about certain issues.

Collapsing your reality one way or the other as to what happened on that day isn't easy, i was always similarly minded that all no planers were nutjobs.
Now to be honest im 50/50

The questions Mr president the questions.

[davidnay]

okay,

I'm on part 4 of 14, it looks like this guy's a NO PLANER and despite that I'll finish all the parts. That's what people should do, watch all the evidence for themselves before making a decision. An interestingly knowledgable Scouse audience, too.



Mike

Could you post the link? I can't find it...

[Rogue Penguin]

Andrew Johnson Free online DVD links

http://tinyurl.com/911dvds#911ft
http://tinyurl.com/911ftt

Original link from my youtube site http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRoguepenguin#p/c/01278E048D044761

[davidnay]

Andrew Johnson Free online DVD links

http://tinyurl.com/911dvds#911ft
http://tinyurl.com/911ftt

Original link from my youtube site http://www.youtube.com/user/MrRoguepenguin#p/c/01278E048D044761

I'm on the 4th video now. So far not much of a scientific analysis at all. More casual observations and laymen speculation than anything else. I'll keep watching though. I'm curious if you have watched Richard Gage's '9/11: Blueprint for Truth' and if so what did you think?

[Rogue Penguin]

Oh yes, i have watched all that stuff years ago.
Im up to speed with the thermite/ added sulphur to make thermate senario.
Even registered on ae911truth petition.

We all know that 911 was a planned event, but 3 years later the thermate thing isn't growing any legs , even after Danish Scientist Niels Harrit published his paper.

My question is even if thermate was capable of blowing up the towers, why didn't we see like the roman candle of red molten thermite charateristics during the collapse.
When i look at the collapse again, all i see is steel and concrete turning to dust, with the aftermath not even accounting for up to 2/3ds of the rubble pile that should have been there.

I'm not saying believe me, all i want to see is this subject getting more credance, instead of being instantly dismissed as No planer/space beam crackpots.
OK your saying there is no existance for DEW either... well the Hutchinson effect, HAARP, project bluebeam, look at the new irish free energy tech on display this week , ORBO Technology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Go-CrM_llE

I would love to see Alex engage in a rational discussion on this topic, and get off the train of thought that DEW's are just co-intel.
Some people have really done some good background digging on this subject, come on people, were are really on the same page here.. We just want the truth.

[Mike Philbin]

right, I'm done

interesting attack on Steven Jones (whatever)

the real thing missing for me was the MECHANISM for this DEW (directed energy weapon that's not a laser beam and not a particle beam but a microwave resonance??) - what was the source? Where was it situated and how did it work?  There was a space shuttle over the scene of the NY crime at the time, mind ...  not-LOL.

Need to do more research ... and the NO PLANER aspect of this 9-11 presentation, hard to swallow, easy to choke on. Can someone Heimlich me?

that's better, now to do more resaerch into Directed Energy Weapons... in preparation of a brand-new blog post about this latest Black Project stuff.

Oh, and let's none of us forget, 9-11 IS A THIRTY YEAR CONSPIRACY, according to Sen Bob Kerrey. Whatever that means.

[Rogue Penguin]

Thats fine Mike, thanks for watching anyway.
Be as Skeptical as you like... Just don't close your mind!

[Mike Philbin]

I didn't say I'd closed my mind, what I said was, "What's the MECHANISM for the DEW?"



I'm all ears and thanks for sharing the vids - though it was exhausting to watch.

Thats fine Mike, thanks for watching anyway.
Be as Skeptical as you like... Just don't close your mind!

[Rogue Penguin]

I didn't start this thread to spoon feed you the answer to one of the best laid mastermind false flag events in history, i started it to give another perspective.
Free energy tech, aint exactly mainstream.
But for my reasoning it actually makes more logical sense in my mind than 100's of tones of pre planted nano thermate.
The sheer amazment when i found out that there was a cat 5 hurricane (hurricaine Erin 2001) just off the coast on 911 at 7am and wasn't even reported on the weather channel, in itself raised a few alarm bells.( but im sure people will question that too, rather than take 5 mins to go check out the weather database for themselves and look at the storm data)

What if Andrew is right? What if thermite is a side track that we are being deliberatley driven down in order to stall for time.
What if DEW and thermate was used? have you done any research into the hutchinson effect?

I'm not co-intel believe me, im just a regular guy with questions. trying to wake up to not find myself asleep.

[Mike Philbin]

I did a quick bit of research just then and found out that Nikola Tesla nearly brought his apartment block down by using just a 15 lb block rotating at just the right height for the building....

Wasn't there an Israeli Art Installation in WTC at some point???  Couldn't something have been set up WITHIN THE BUILDING to set the resonance off?  Or is the D.E.W. a projected enregy weapon that can be fired from some distant location?

That's what I'm asking ... aka just shootin' the shit.