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DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« on: August 14, 2007, 02:05:38 PM »
  A situation has been brought to my attention. There is a forum, 911movement.org, These people are not genuinely concerned with truth. These are also the no-planers. A few people I know, posted a polite rebuttal and both were banned, one on his first day and the other the second day.

 I believe SOME neo-cons, disinformational specialist, whatever they call themselves, have changed their strategies. As we all know, there is an overwhelming amount of provable evidence, and yet some of the public cannot or will not believe it, or even conduct some research into it. By introducing such a ludicrous theory such as no planes, can only be an attempt to ridicule and discredit the "Truth". Please pass this on,and/or check it out yourself. Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 08:29:31 PM »
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September 25, 2006

Declassified August 1958: "Mere fact that the U. S. has developed atomic munitions suitable for use in demolition work." Declassified January 1967, "The fact that we are interested in and are continuing studies on a weapon for minimizing the emerging flux of neutrons and internal induced activity." Declassified March 1976, "The fact of weapon laboratory interest in Minimum Residual Radiation (MRR) devices. The fact of successful development of MRR devices."

The factual evidence indicates that our government is using and has used 3rd or possibly 4th generation hydrogen bombs domestically and internationally. The evidence for international usage is not quite as strong as the domestic usage, but when domestic usage is considered, the international usage seems inescapable. The process of exclusion based on the known facts leaves only one viable option for the destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings - a relatively pure hydrogen bomb.
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Just some of the facts are: widespread cancer in the responders, molten steel, melted cars, steel beams hurled hundreds of feet, aerosolized metals, vaporized steel witnessed and video, aerosolized and pulverized concrete, elevated tritium levels, vanishing (vaporized) victims, only sliver fragments of victims on roof tops, EMP - Electro Magnetic Pulse effects on communications, hundreds of eyewitness testimony of ancillary explosions by heroic rescuers and victims, massive dispersal of debris, demolition expert states hydrogen bomb needed for this type of demolition, audio of a massive explosion prior to collapse, video of ancillary explosions, audio of ancillary explosions, significant reduction in debris pile, ancillary thermate found in wreckage, shockwave of a mini yield nuclear blast knocked people off their feet, vaporization of 200,000 gallons of water, removal of wreckage without investigation, only remnants of fire in one tower minutes after the plane collision, unprecedented history of 3 skyscrapers collapsing secondary to fire, early miscalculation stating WTC building 7 'pulled', towers fall at demolition or free fall speed, foreknowledge of WTC 7 immediate collapse, slow-motion video evidence of plane appendage with smoke and explosion immediately prior to impact of both planes, unprecedented NORAD non response to variant flights, FEMA drill scheduled for same day, military 'exercise' of exactly what was taking place to prevent NORAD response, most of NORAD protection planes sent far away in another 'exercise' to prevent response, prevention of examination of wreckage by those assigned to investigate, seismic evidence of a mini yield nuclear explosion, Cheney takes over NORAD response command, Cheney prevents NORAD response, WTC towers designed for 757 collision and fire, 911 used falsely for previously planned war, government fabrication of 'evidence' correlation for starting war, hundreds of people found themselves trapped by locked doors and missing escape routes above and below the impact zone, and not all inclusively, but finally, Bush brands anyone noting any of these facts a terrorist.

The spectrum and percentages of cancer are massive. There are at least 4 classifications of blood-cell cancers: leukemia, lymphoma, Hodgkin's and myeloma. There are many more classifications of soft tissue cancers. There is brain cancer. There is breast cancer. For most of these there are subclassifications of many different types of specific cancer in each, so far not publicly disclosed. There are huge percentages of respiratory distress and loss of function. Multiple reports of 'irregular cycles' (miscarriages?). Most likely there will be several more types of cancer to follow. In particular, responders should be checked for thyroid cancer and function. There has been no noting of birth defects which also needs to be done. There is one thing and only one thing that can cause all these cancers and problems - RADIATION.
In response to this myriad of disease, a statement of environmental mercury has been claimed. That claim is not verified in testing of air and particle debris samples by private citizens and organizations. It is possible the mercury quotes are from the federal source of science, the United States Geological Survey's analysis of the WTC dust debris. The USGS's leached analysis did show mercury at the 3rd lowest concentration of metals at the mean value (mv) of 0.011 parts per Billion (ppB). The most abundant element concentration in the leaching tests was Strontium at 1,000 ppB (1 ppM) - 100,000 times more than the mercury value. It appears that the leaching of the sample was only partial and inadequate as the reader will see from the spectrometry values.

Why would only mercury be quoted when there were so many other more dangerous elements at higher concentrations than mercury? While the regular elements like Copper - mv 136 ppM, Silver - mv 1.66 ppM, and Vanadium - mv 31 ppM, some of the other significant elements were: Barium - mv 533 ppM, Strontium - mv 727 ppM, Cerium - mv 91 ppM, Yttrium - mv 57 ppM, Lanthanum - mv 46 ppM, Molybdenum - mv 11 ppM, Thorium - mv 9 ppM, Uranium - mv 3 ppM, Beryllium - mv 3 ppM, and Cesium - mv 0.6 ppM - partial listing. For readers that are not familiar with most of these elements, here is a link to their relevance.
There is also a claim of environmental benzene that 'permeated' the area in jet fuel as the cause of all of these problems. Once again, we have the quoting of the miraculous jet fuel that burns up in a massive fireball in the first few minutes, then like Christ's feeding the multitudes, still causes a massive fire inside that reaches the temperatures of a Hades that weakens massive fire proofed steel beams and trusses, then resurrects itself on the permeated ground to cause cancer in one hour of limited exposure.

In less than 1 hour, the first WTC building had collapsed and covered Manhattan, in at least 1/3 of a Million Tons of particulate debris. Unless the jet fuel makes a final appearance and is again resurrected by NIST in it's 3rd miracle, benzene is buried under 1/3 of a million tons of particulate debris after 56 minutes of exposure. Benzene is also a component of gasoline. The assertion that cancer was the result of 56 minutes of exposure to minimal amounts of benzene is ludicrous. If that was true, everyone in the US would be suffering from cancers. As the 3rd WTC building falls, Manhattan is covered in two Billion pounds of pulverized and aerosolized building.
Two billion pounds seemed like an extremely large amount of particulate matter from buildings whose total weight has been quoted at around 3 billion pounds. Debris removal has been quoted at 1.2 billion pounds. Based on these rough numbers 2/3rds of the building was indeed turned to dust or vaporized.

"Live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs." "One could cut away all the first-story columns on one side of the building, and part way from the corners of the perpendicular sides, and the building could still withstand design loads and a 100-mph wind force from any direction." Engineering News-Record, April 2, 1964
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Take a look at a collapsed 10 story building in Pakistan. Note the height and size of the collapsed building's remnants compared to the other 10 story buildings. The debris pile is about 30 feet, approximately 1/3 of the height of the erect building. This ratio is consistent with a collapsed building's rubble height. Note the almost complete lack of fine particles. The 47 story WTC 7's building debris should have contained at least five times (approximately 15 stories) the amount of the Pakistan debris as WTC 7 was also built with significantly stronger materials. Yet, WTC 7 remains are casually noted in the government propaganda article as a 2 story debris pile. Look at the Pakistan debris 'collapsed' picture again, then imagine that debris with 4 more piles on top of it and finally try to imagine the awesome power it would take to break it into 53 micron or smaller dust particles.
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The only estimates of the two 100 story WTC building debris piles are 'several stories'. In the very few area photographs of the debris piles published, the amount of debris in the range of several stories is minimal at best. There is also quoting of debris 6 stories high, however, if the reader looks at the rare pictures, the only debris of that height are portions of outer beam skeleton towering significantly higher than the general debris. Not one official measurement of the debris piles is noted. The building residue height is deceiving on 2 levels. First, all of the buildings had craters of a depth of 'several stories'. Secondly, since the craters were in tiered sub-level flooring, the area of the bottoms of the craters would be significantly smaller than the area covered at ground level.

In a failed demolition, a 20 story concrete building, Zip Feed Mill in South Dakota, of significantly weaker construction than the WTC buildings, takes a 4 story dive while the top 16 floors remain intact.
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Of the cumulative facts previously noted that deal specifically with a major explosion and it's effect, the only single possibility for all is a thermonuclear bomb placed by the US government. Even when taken individually, the only possibility for some of the facts is a thermonuclear bomb. The next logical step is "Do bombs with the needed characteristics exist?"

The government's answer to that question is a super-top-secret response that will not be given. Both political parties sequestered Operation Northwoods and more for 40 years, so they are certainly not going to answer the question truthfully. The following evidence clearly shows a mini yield semi-pure hydrogen bomb existed in 1958 and that it has had 40 years of refinement. The graphic in the upper right corner depicts the only published diagram of an atomic bomb in which public general knowledge of atomic weaponry is known. This is not the bomb that would be required for the WTC demolition. The bomb is a 2nd generation atomic bomb of the 'hydrogen bomb' category. The H-bomb pictured is not a pure hydrogen bomb which is actually very closely related to the already developed 'neutron bomb'. In reality, this 2nd generation H-bomb is nothing more than a fission bomb used for a trigger with hydrogen fusion used for extra power. This bomb produces the results of which the general public is aware - massive power, radiation and millenniums of radioactive devastation. It is at least 30 to 40 year old, late 2nd generation technology that has been phased out for lower yield 3rd generation atomic weapons which have a longer half life, easier maintenance and an inserted energy source.

Note the use of DU in the weaponry. DU is used as the casing and as the container for the fusion reaction which becomes part of the fissionable material. This is important in the current international 3rd generation H-bomb usage and the hybrid fusion bomb. At first it was believed that the DU casing and the DU fusion container would most likely not be part of the late 3rd generation or 4th generation weaponry used in the WTC demolitions as it is too dirty (long term radioactive residue) for the pure hydrogen bomb needed. However, subsequent information of dust analysis, hybrid fusion, old known facts of pure fusion bombs, early low yield semi-pure warheads, neutron bombs, and knowledge that debris would be removed as classified information makes either scenario viable.
According to brave activist, Howard Morland, in his article 'The Holocaust Bomb', second generation atomic bombs got their start in 1950 and came to fruition in 1956 with Eisenhower's announcement of a 95% clean bomb. In 1958 the Mk-41C was tested for a 9.3 Megaton yield, 4.8% of the energy was from fission with 95.2% from fusion. Less radioactive (more fusion and less fission energy) or semi-clean H-bombs were known then and were used for testing purposes only. The more powerful, mostly fission bombs were deployed for usage in a cognitive effort to produce maximum destruction on 'enemies' for generations and no forethought of the worldwide consequences. Among various other types of hydrogen bomb warheads, the W54 nuke was developed in 1961. The W54 was a micro-nuke that weighed 51 pounds and could be fired from a slightly modified ordinary bazooka. Different versions of the W54 ranged from .01 kt to 1 kt yield. Between the mid 1950's and the mid 70's both types (large yield dirty and small yield clean), of 2nd generation H-bombs were refined.

Focused nuclear explosions were envisioned in 1959 as a possible concept for propulsion of the spacecraft Orion. The mere directing of the yield was obviously known prior to 1959. Samuel Cohen has stated that a low yield neutron bomb may be tailored to direct yield and proposed the concept more than 35 years ago. An underground detonation causes shaping of the direction of yield as well.
Around 1960, the relatively pure H-bomb was modified for selective effects creating the first 3rd generation H-bomb - the Neutron bomb, Enhanced Radiation Warhead, or a mostly fusion bomb. The neutron bomb's energy was mostly based on fusion using Deuterium/Tritium with only a small fission component to ignite the fusion reaction. The neutron bombs are designed to release at least 80% of its yield as neutrons at the expense of blast and heat as compared to previous fission-fusion warheads. It was not until around 15 years ago that the existence of the neutron bomb was noted. It was during this period that a trial regarding Chinese espionage forced the revelation of the neutron bomb. Shortly thereafter, Reagan deployed the W70 version with a yield range of 0.8 kt to 1.6 kt. At least 2 years after the neutron bomb had been developed and tested, declassified May 1963, "The mere fact that the U. S. is "interested in pursuing" a program to determine the characteristics of an "enhanced radiation" weapon (neutron bomb)." The standard policy seems to be to develop the weapon, inform congress for development of the weapon and then to inform the public after they have been informed there is a need for the weapon.

Very little has been released about the specific selective refinements of 2nd and 3rd generation weapons in the last 40 years since their development. The fact refinement was taking place is proven by the Orion spacecraft and the neutron bomb. EMP effects have been another area of concern and refinement. While these effects were noted in 1950's testing, there was elevated interest in 1962 with the high altitude (HEMP) detonation producing a massive EMP effect. In November 1972, the following sentence was declassified: "The fact of existence of weapons with tailored outputs, e.g., enhanced x-ray, neutron or gamma-ray output, that we are hardening our weapons to enhanced weapon outputs and that high-Z materials are used in hardening nuclear weapons against high-energy x-rays." Note - the date is the declassification date, not the development date.
How small can a nuclear reaction be? Through hydrodynamic experiments for triggering fusion, extremely lows yield nuclear explosions have been generated on the magnitude of "several Pounds of TNT." As noted above, in 1961 .01 kt was unveiled in 1961. In 1956, the Tamalpais with a yield of 0.072 kt was declassified.

 Prior to the demolition of the WTC buildings, the largest imploded building, Hudson's Department Store was 2.2 million square feet with 33 levels and required 2,728 lbs of explosive. The WTC buildings were significantly stronger than the Hudson's building, but it is doubtful more than a 0.01 kt bomb would be needed for the 47 center columns designed to hold many times the weight of the buildings.

This program produced (partial list) the following information for a regular 0.01 kt yields, air ignition: Fireball max light radius = 25.4 meters, Max time light pulse width = 0.011 seconds, Max fireball airburst radius = 10.6 meters, Time of max temperature = 0.0032 seconds, Area of rad. exposure = 0.12 sq. miles; Blastwave Effects: Overpressure = 5 lb/sq. inch (160 mph) radius = 0.09 km, 1 lb/sq. inch radius = 0.26 km; Underground ignition: Crater diameter = 56 feet with a Richter magnitude of 3.52. Thermal radiation damage range is significantly reduced by clouds, smoke or other obscuring materials. Surface detonations are known to decrease thermal radiation by half. A neutron bomb produces much less blast and thermal energy than a fission bomb of the same yield by expending its energy by the increase in the production of neutrons. Even the older neutron bombs produce very little long term fallout, but made considerable induced radiation in ground detonations. The half life of induced radiation is very short and is measured in days rather than years.

Summing up known information, an underground explosion of a pure (most likely) or semi-pure, Minimum Residual Residue direction focused 0.01 kt yield hydrogen bomb with selected enhanced radiation dispersal - most likely neutron since that radiation would be absorbed by the ground and building, and would decrease the blast and temperature effects.
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In 1993, Joe Vialls exposes some facts about single explosions that were very similar to the 2001 WTC bombing. The article, "Micro Nukes in London," notes the sudden usage of massive explosions in business districts by the IRA with a brief mention of the 1993 bombing of the WTC. In the supposed first mega-bombing by the 'IRA', an eyewitness stated, "The ground shook under our feet. There was a brilliant white flash and a tall vertical column of smoke." Significant information about the Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM - the general class of the W54 warhead). While the government was working on the usage of a conventional bomb to the corporate media, there was accidental filming of investigators of the bombing in full radiation protective gear. Description of the crater created by the second explosion reveals a hole 60 feet wide and 40 feet deep. Quotes of physicists' Galen Winsor, John McPhee and Theodore Taylor are prophetic for the usage of micro nukes. Taylor specifically notes the future usage of an extremely small micro nuke being used in the WTC in the year 1973.
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Another crater 22 feet wide and 5 feet deep is noted in the article "Bali Micro Nuke - Lack of Radiation Confuses Experts." Within 48 hours the Bali government found traces of C4 explosive. Next came the revised explanation of explosives on top of gas containers. After that failed to explain noted facts, the next theory was explosives with napalm. The final explanation from London quoted a reliable source that an IRA style bomb mixture was used. Still, there were significant problems with the story as the IRA had detonated 1,000 pounds of the mixture and there was no crater produced. The US bomb, BLU-82 - used for clearing helicopter landing zones in the jungles of Vietnam - contains 6.3 tons of high grade military explosive with an aluminum additive for increased heat, but does not create a crater. The 1/4 inch steel encased explosive is parachuted to its target and detonated 1 to 2 feet above ground. Approximately 40 people close enough to be vaporized simply vanished without a trace. Insights on Israel's .01 kt Dimona nuke are also related in this article. According to the information presented, the bomb uses highly enriched Plutonium 239, 99.78% pure, and only emits alpha radiation which is invisible to most Geiger counters.

Another Vialls' article dealing with the supposed vehicle bombing of the Australian embassy in Jakarta, "Zionists Nuke the Australian Embassy in Indonesia," reveals significantly more information on the nuclear attributes of the explosion. A surveillance camera caught the underground nuke explosion and is included in the article. There are pictures of the resultant mushroom cloud compared to a typical nuclear cloud. The crater left by the explosion was 18 feet in diameter and almost 10 feet deep. Pictures and information of the American Special Forces detonation of two trucks loaded with 1,000 pounds of Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil (ANFO) compound are shown. Multiple links to Vialls' special coverage of ‘terrorist's' bombings throughout the world are included at the end of his article.

Any terrorist truck bomb with less load capacity than 6.3 tons of explosive that creates a crater is a thermonuclear explosion until proven otherwise.

Based on the above information it is quite clear that our government has murdered citizens, friends and families. Our government used their tyranny to further destroy our God given rights affirmed by the Constitution and to extend their fascist powers worldwide in war. Once you have seen the facts, you can no longer say you are innocent of being an accomplice unless you act by trying to end the tyranny, murder and destruction by this government.

Either act to end it or know that you are an accomplice of traitors, tyranny, murder, maiming, and torture. The following three paragraphs will show you how and where to react to the extent of your degree of involvement. There are other ways to resist. Find one that is effective if you don't like any of my options. If you do nothing, you will never escape the disdain and dishonor of your inaction. Expect no sympathy when your name is called to be the next sacrificial lamb of this government's tyranny. The time is NOW for Action!

For almost a century, both democrats and republican regimes have eroded the rights of The People and strengthened the authority and powers of government with the assistance of the corporate press. The public can no longer vote for the lesser of 2 evil parties. Third parties have failed to form a viable coalition toward a legitimate national candidate. Those looking for return of Constitutional rights must unify and choose the best candidate for return of those rights regardless of political party affiliation. Currently voting is nothing more than a farce and will continue to be so until there is no longer a secret vote, or until the Brennan recommendations for electronic voting are enforced. Preferably, both voting reforms should be initiated to stop this charade of voting for a candidate.

The best hope for this nation appears to be the organized philosophy of Debra Sweet, in The World Can't Wait campaign for the strength of The People to be seen and felt on October 5, 2006 in a Day of Mass Resistance. At first there were concerns this was merely another democrat ploy organization for a regime change and not a regime removal. Subsequent research resolved most of those concerns by the noting of democrat participation in our current rule by elitists. This interview by Maryland's US senate candidate, Kevin Zeese, notes that the removal of the Bush regime is merely the first step in a regime removal movement on the neo-fascists in both parties. Hopefully, this is just the first of a series of demonstrations and actions to force the return of Constitutional rights and peace by The People to have those rights returned. The USA Today full page ad on September 21, 1006, calls for taking off work and demonstrating for your rights at high noon on October 5, 2006. If you value your rights enough to actually do something about them, I urge you to join this organization and participate in the first step on a path to a Constitutional government.

If you live in the New Orleans area and would like to participate on October 5, 2006, contact: edward19(at)cox.net . No demonstration planned in your area? Organize your own.

(Reporter's note: The embedded links in this article contain a tremendous amount of information. The use of these links is highly recommended. While researching this article, it was noted that there is a dearth of pictures regarding some of the information presented. If you have any pictures regarding any of the facts presented, please send them to edward19(at)cox.net.)

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2007, 02:19:12 AM »
Nice shot, Biggs!

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007, 06:16:29 AM »
Lot of info there, that's for sure.

We're the only country (the USA) in this entire world that has actually used atomic weapons (Hiroshima; Nagasaki -- 1945) and that was nasty and messy beyond anyone's imagination of what nasty and messy actually means.  But, again, we're the only one.

And apparently not above doing something similar again, if you're in to believing that 9/11 was and inside job and believe any of the horror stories coming out of Iraq -- I do in both of those cases.

The depeleted uranium from the first Gulf War, in many cases still in the tens of hundreds of destroyed sites and vehicles remaining pretty much as they were the day we destroyed them way back in 1990.  Kids play in and around those sites and vehicles (playing childhood games, as they have every right) but playing in a dangerous zone (that we created) that kills them slowly with time.  And in many reported cases -- our soldiers who have come into close contact with the same end with the same results as those poor unfortunate children.  And who truly knows what evil was released inside those Twin Towers that September morning, considering all the sickness and death that has resulted years afterwards. 

Here take a look at what our atomic bomb actually did // and then see this clip on DU --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGjkyZU2oY&mode=related&search=
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2007, 03:29:31 PM »
  A situation has been brought to my attention. There is a forum, 911movement.org, These people are not genuinely concerned with truth. These are also the no-planers. A few people I know, posted a polite rebuttal and both were banned, one on his first day and the other the second day.

 I believe SOME neo-cons, disinformational specialist, whatever they call themselves, have changed their strategies. As we all know, there is an overwhelming amount of provable evidence, and yet some of the public cannot or will not believe it, or even conduct some research into it. By introducing such a ludicrous theory such as no planes, can only be an attempt to ridicule and discredit the "Truth". Please pass this on,and/or check it out yourself. Thanks

9/11 was an inside Job

I take offense. Killtown & Webfairy are genuinely interested in searching for the "truth" and people are who on 911movement.org

Stripping the original theories means we have to strip down the official theory of 911. We must consider the following theory of no-planes and if you aren't aware of the media's complicity of the attacks, I beeseech you to do more research into that area. The media has been using fake images since before 1963! The JFK assassination is a great way to begin. One of your heroes, James Fetzer, has believed, for quite sometime that the Zupreder Film is a fake! I don't believe that..but many of the photographs of the JFK assassination were doctored and faked as well. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. What baffles me, is that many are willing to admit they believe the Pentagon was hit by a missile, but still hold on to the theory that planes were used on the WTC's. To understand the "reality" you are dealing with is to strip what you know of the reality of 911. That means starting from the ground and going up. There were no black boxes, no proof of planes, no proof of Flight 11 and 77 even existing and we still cling to the thought there were PLANES. Prove to me that existed? Would you? Because nothing adds up..and what you will find is that many are searching for the truth of that day..and no one knows. Sure, I am sure there are agents out there creating disinfo..no doubt. WE must really look into the agents that were placed at the scene who all perpetuated the official story. As for me, I am a "no-planer" because no one can prove to me they existed that day. I also think that thermate is a weak excuse..if you truly believe that 911 was an inside job, why would anyone use such an un-sophisticated weapon such as thermate.



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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2007, 10:42:54 PM »
The No Planers are attempting to discredit the no plane hit the pentagon conspiracy by bluring it with the ridiculous no planes hit the WTC.

FACT.

The hole in the pentagon was 15.

A boeing 747 is 115 feet wide.

Fact. No 747 Diffuser casings were found at the pentagon.

Fact.  No 747 COuld withstand a 15 G turn from the potomic into the Pentagon.

Fact at the time the Plane hit the pentagon it was going supersonic.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2008, 02:05:59 PM »
Dr. Judy Wood has made a huge breakthrough in the investigation of 9/11. She has connected evidence from John Hutchison's amazing work to the evidence at the WTC. Based on earthshaking findings in these new studies, we now know that zero point energy was connected to the destruction in NYC. This indicates an extremely sophisticated device, and erases all notion that it may have been hijackers with boxcutters.

More on the Hutchison Effect: http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/

Proof of it's link to the destruction at the WTC: http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

Further Information: www.weourselves.org (Listen to the audios)

Further Information: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7438627977642539647 (Be sure to also listen to Part 2 of the interview)

This new 9/11 information is hard hitting.

Hutchison has produced samples of Bent beams:



At the WTC:



Hutchison produced samples of 'jellifying' metal:



At the WTC:



Identical Holes

Hutchison:



WTC:



For way more comparisons and research, go to Judy Wood's page on this excellent new research at: http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/


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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2008, 02:09:52 PM »
mY couSIn SEEn A rAil cAR WID nINE one ONE oN It ! :P

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2008, 02:13:51 PM »
Dr. Judy Wood has made a huge breakthrough in the investigation of 9/11.

hahaha
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2008, 02:16:16 PM »
Call Patrick Leahy's office ASAP!

Tell them you have the smoking gun proof for what caused 9/11!

I think the pictures will be sufficient to start congressional hearings ASAP!  I think just the Redbull can alone should do the trick, no need for the other pics!

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2008, 02:19:06 PM »
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2008, 02:21:45 PM »


More on the Hutchison Effect: http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/


From the website:.....

"Hi all . I am looking for a lawyer for the entertainment industry as well as general things. For example, if city or provincial government does nasty things like they do every couple of years ; international law would be great ;; second I need an agent to try and get things going, an entertainment agent. Thank you, John Hutchison"

Did you get the job?
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 03:11:41 PM »
Listen: I have always believed that energy weaponry was probably used. I don't think it's a 'faux controversy'. There was strong evidence of something unconventional going on down in NYC. This is the first argument that could actually show the exact kind of energy weaponry that was used, and that's what makes it so earthshaking. If you think conventional explosives and cutter charges can cause the complete vaporization of the Towers without damaging the WTC Bathtub and PATH trains, while melting cars and causing holes in other WTC buildings, then I don't know what to tell you. Something unconventional was going on.

I urge readers to do research into the Hutchison effect and energy weaponry evidence before ripping it JREF-style.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 07:56:43 PM »
it is the biggest load of bullshit going around, peddle the garbage somewhere else
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2008, 08:15:42 PM »


I've heard of Zero Point Energy... in Disney/Pixar's The Incredibles


From Syndrome's Wikipedia page:

"Weaponry and gadgets
Utility gauntlets - Using zero-point energy, which, today, is only in the theoretical stage, Syndrome is able to create a field of quantum energy that inhibits the majority of a victim's body movement. If the victim's skin is exposed, the range of motion of the victim's face is also taken to the minimum (only their eyes can move), and the ability to speak is also inhibited. The field is moved by his fingers and can be fired in the forms of energy blasts and concentrated beams. Like the trigger for Spider-Man's web-shooters, the trigger for these weapons is located high on the palm of each hand to prevent most unwanted firings. The left-hand gauntlet also holds the remote control for the Omnidroid. A communicator is likely built into the right-hand gauntlet."

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2008, 09:45:38 PM »
it is the biggest load of bullshit going around, peddle the garbage somewhere else

What is the biggest load of bullshit:

Hutchison Effect or Directed Energy Weaponry? If you mean the use of DEW on the Towers in general, then you are wrong. Answer the following:

1) Why were the WTC Bathtub and PATH trains completely unaffected?

2) Why are their melted cars, holes bitten into buildings, holes bitten into the street?

3) How do you respond to the fact that paper survived while all the furniture was completely destroyed? This be consistent with a microwave-type energy weapon, considering that microwave energy does not affect paper.

4) How do you respond to the fact that DEW is very real and defense contractors are picking up on it now? DEW is going to be the next stage of warfare. Why risk rigging an entire building with explosives when you could just destroy it using advanced weapons? (Not counting Building 7, which I suspect was rigged with explosives. I suspect that Building 7 got this 'special treatment' because it was the 9/11 command/planning center, and there was certain 'papers' in there that needed to be destroyed.)


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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2008, 10:52:29 PM »
hey dude, the whole thing with the redbull and the hole in the firetruck.

c'mon man, what the f**k are you talking about?

dude, are you a state appointed attorney with a degree from Pat Robertson University?
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2008, 11:07:22 PM »
hey dude, the whole thing with the redbull and the hole in the firetruck.

c'mon man, what the f**k are you talking about?

dude, are you a state appointed attorney with a degree from Pat Robertson University?

Those holes looked pretty similar. That's just something interesting. If you look at just how many similarities John Hutchison's projects had with 9/11, it's very, very strange.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2008, 07:31:15 AM »
Those holes looked pretty similar. That's just something interesting. If you look at just how many similarities John Hutchison's projects had with 9/11, it's very, very strange.

Accept in all historical examples of false-flag operations, generally conventional techniques and materials were used.

Eg:

-Dynamite
-Fire
-Bombings
-Friendly fire blamed on other parties
-Fabricated information
-Media parroting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

There is no documented example of a fringe technology being used in an operation...  the September 18th anthrax was too high-tech, and that's the main reason why it was easily traced back to the source.

Sane, have you heard of The Lavon Affair ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

looks like mossad has been up to this stuff for some time.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2008, 08:59:57 AM »
I got as far as Dr Judy Wood and immediately went into mental shutdown.The day when she knows the difference between elastic and inelastic collisions is the day i might listen to her but until that day i am not wasting any more of my life reading her dross.There was an outside energy but it wasn,t space beams or the Hutchinson effect it was good old fashioned explosives.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2008, 09:30:42 AM »
Judy is nuts. Let's leave it at that, shall we?

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2008, 09:35:40 AM »
I mean the photography is outstanding, but the speculation is laughable.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2008, 03:12:21 PM »
Accept in all historical examples of false-flag operations, generally conventional techniques and materials were used.

Eg:

-Dynamite
-Fire
-Bombings
-Friendly fire blamed on other parties
-Fabricated information
-Media parroting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

There is no documented example of a fringe technology being used in an operation...  the September 18th anthrax was too high-tech, and that's the main reason why it was easily traced back to the source.

Sane, have you heard of The Lavon Affair ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

looks like mossad has been up to this stuff for some time.


Most of those false flag ops happened when the military couldn't get anything more efficient. Energy weapons are now the 'new thing'. Military companies are picking up on them. They are very real. Why rig an entire structure with bombs when you could use an advanced military weapon. Much less of a chance of getting caught and way less trouble. This doesn't count for Building 7, which was a controlled demolition. It got the special treatment because it was the command center for this operation.

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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2008, 04:11:29 PM »
Most of those false flag ops happened when the military couldn't get anything more efficient. Energy weapons are now the 'new thing'. Military companies are picking up on them. They are very real. Why rig an entire structure with bombs when you could use an advanced military weapon. Much less of a chance of getting caught and way less trouble. This doesn't count for Building 7, which was a controlled demolition. It got the special treatment because it was the command center for this operation.

Yes very interesting points but you are still using Dr Judy Woods as a benchmark and she is clearly a disinfo agent.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgN591u3MhQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWzZocY-sUQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYAwR3f16Z4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2E70dsEnJ8

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2008, 11:19:34 PM »
Yes very interesting points but you are still using Dr Judy Woods as a benchmark and she is clearly a disinfo agent.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgN591u3MhQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWzZocY-sUQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYAwR3f16Z4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2E70dsEnJ8

Well, I don't know about Judy Wood. I was crediting her for the Hutchison/WTC breakthrough, but I don't know if she has any connections. There is a lot of people in the movement I don't trust.

Whether you like Wood's work or not, you should check out the research done on energy weaponry. In my opinion, it is a very solid theory. 9/11 was a very sophisticated operation.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2008, 06:18:23 AM »
Well, I don't know about Judy Wood. I was crediting her for the Hutchison/WTC breakthrough, but I don't know if she has any connections. There is a lot of people in the movement I don't trust.

Whether you like Wood's work or not, you should check out the research done on energy weaponry. In my opinion, it is a very solid theory. 9/11 was a very sophisticated operation.

My mind is open to everything because the energy that i witnessed with my own eyes had to have come from somewhere.It has certainly not been adequately explained by anybody.The horseshoe shaped beams with no cracking screams at all of us that incredible heat{impossible}did occur there is no doubting that.To bend that steel with no cracking in my experience means it would have had to be glowing yellow,probably about 1100 degrees c minimum.Without that heat it would crack and fracture.So you are not wrong to look at any scenario that explains this.The problem is as soon as you mention Dr Judy Woods the reaction you will get from most people,including myself,is ridicule.Notice in the Youtube film she offers no calculations and talks of snowballs and other crap.What we want is scientific proof but what we are getting from Woods,NIST etc is antiscience.The bottom line is people can choose to look into your views or choose not to.Don,t stop your research because we still have no definitive answers.Just be careful who you quote thats all.Dr Jones is like Hercule Poirot,Dr Judy Woods is more like Inspector Clousseau.

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2008, 09:14:09 PM »
Zero-point energy? What's next cold fusion?
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2008, 09:59:21 PM »
Ya,  soon they will be telling us that life can evolve from non-living material.  What a bunch of wackos!

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2008, 10:28:29 PM »
The Hutchinson effect is real...Hutchinson's lab and equipment wouldnt have gotten raided for nothing. spooks were all over him.
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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2008, 11:55:01 AM »
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=823734902101057550&q=september+clues+busted&ei=LVsPSJqKJoOWrgL0_MSpBA&hl=en

Exposing the deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies in the “September Clues” series of videos, which many scholars and others have mistaken for the truth about some of the events that happened on that terrible day: September 11, 2001. Hopefully, this video will make them realize that they have been deliberately mislead.

(By the author of "WTC7 - This is an Orange") Content: Where necessary, some of the shots in this video have been enlarged, slowed down, or have had indicators or stop motion techniques applied to them. No other visual manipulations or additions have been made
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« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2008, 12:15:54 PM »
Yeah this movie bends no-planers over a barrel and has no mercy.  Too bad the no-plane idea was spread around so effectively to media people early on.  That "This is an orange" 2 minute video is great too, thanks for sharing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&q=WTC7+-+This+is+an+Orange&ei=I14PSMGjL6iO4wL_wbWoBA&hl=en

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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2008, 01:11:38 PM »
That does not refute the fact that Anthony Lawson created September Clues -- Busted, and the posts on nineeleven.co.uk.  Am I to conclude that you are advocating the same intellectual brown-shirting that Anthony and I are opposing? 

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« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2008, 01:34:31 PM »
Strange.  Why is it that my posting of more from the same author results in charges of "Troll" while another person doing the same thing does not?  Could it be that you want to police the content of discussions to suit your agenda?

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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2008, 01:39:59 PM »
You've been exposed, Hetware.  More than once



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Re: DISINFO CORNER: NO PLANES / VIDEO FAKERY / SPACE LASERS
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2008, 01:42:52 PM »
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This reminds me of when my classmates in elementary school discovered that I didn't believe in Jesus or God.

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« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2008, 01:46:19 PM »
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This reminds me of when my classmates in elementary school discovered that I didn't believe in Jesus or God.

Noo... it's a picture of you in elementary school. 
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