TWO NAVY VESSELS COLLIDE IN STRAIT OF HORMUZ

[scary]

Any action in this region could "set it off", False flag alert should be high.
[/URL]

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/two-navy-ships-collide-strait-hormuz

[Dok]

How is that even possible in all that water. 

[zafada]

Hmm, I feel there's no wrongdoing considering the collision however I think there was probably an assload of fish killed because of the diesel fuel.

But when you think about it, are they guiding themselves by instruments and sight or just instruments?

[Dig]

Remember Sy Hersh leaked information that Cheney was planning something very similar?

Keep this updated please.

[jflack]

US vessels collide in
Strait of Hormuz

http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/military/military_ap_bahrain_USvesselscollideinStraitofHormuz_200903202267484

MANAMA, Bahrain - The military says a U.S. Navy submarine and a U.S. amphibious ship collided early Friday morning in the Strait of Hormuz.

The collision between the USS Hartford (SSN 768) and the USS New Orleans (LPD 18) occurred at approximately 1:00 a.m. local time in the Middle East, or about 5:00 p.m. Thursday EDT.

Fifteen sailors aboard the Hartford were slightly injured and returned to duty. No personnel aboard New Orleans were injured.

The Navy says overall damage to both ships is being evaluated. The propulsion plant of the submarine was unaffected by the collision. The New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, which resulted in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel marine. Both ships are currently operating under their own power.

Both ships were heading to port when the incident occurred in the narrow strait, Lt. Nate Christensen told the Associated Press. Christensen said the submarine was submerged at the time, but said he could give no further details as the incident is still under investigation.

Both vessels are now heading to port for repairs and evaluation, but Christensen said that following standard security procedures he could not say where the vessels were heading.

Both the submarine and the ship are currently on regularly scheduled deployments to the U.S. Navy Central Command area of responsibility conducting Maritime Security Operations (MSO).

The Strait of Hormuz is the waterway connecting the Persian Gulf with the Gulf of Oman in the Middle East.

The USS Hartford is a Los Angeles class fast attack submarine, homeported in Groton, Connecticut. It carries a crew of 145.

The USS New Orleans is a San Antonio class amphibious transport dock ship, homeported in San Diego, California. It carries a crew of 381, and can transport 720 troops.

[GakunGak]

Nah, threat alert should be minimum... Sub collided with a surface vessel. Nothing new...
Sonar was affected and bam... No false flag on this one....
How could they setup false flag op with 2 US vessels anyway?

[jflack]

USS New Orleans (LPD 18)

http://www.new-orleans.navy.mil/default.aspx

The LPD-18 can operate as part of an Amphibious Task Force - the "workhorse" of a three-ship ARG - organized to accomplish a broad range of military objectives; or as an element of a "Split-ARG" that has the LPD-18 detached and operating as a single ship, supporting lower-risk operations. The LPD-18 should also feature prominently in future Expeditionary Strike Groups as part of CNO's Seapower 21 vision. This mission flexibility fully expands the ARGs area of influence by providing an improved capability to cover multiple areas of responsibility, while responding to several crises simultaneously.

USS Hartford(SSN 768)

http://navysite.de/ssn/ssn768.htm

USS HARTFORD is the 57th submarine in the LOS ANGELES - class of fast attack submarines.

General Characteristics: Awarded: June 30, 1988
Keel laid: February 22, 1992
Launched: December 4, 1993
Commissioned: December 10, 1994
Builder: Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics Corporation, Groton, Conn.
Propulsion system: one nuclear reactor
Propellers: one
Length: 360 feet (109.73 meters)
Beam: 33 feet (10 meters)
Draft: 32,15 feet (9.8 meters)
Displacement: Surfaced: approx. 6,000 tons      Submerged: approx. 6,900 tons
Speed: Surfaced: approx. 15 knots      Submerged: approx. 32 knots
Armament: Harpoon and Tomahawk missiles from VLS-tubes, four 533 mm torpedo Tubes for Mk-48 torpedoes, ability to lay mines
Cost: approx. $900 million
Homeport: Groton, CT
Crew: 13 Officers, 116 Enlisted

[GakunGak]

 
That baby's 688i class.. Nice...

[Dig]

Nah, threat alert should be minimum... Sub collided with a surface vessel. Nothing new...
Sonar was affected and bam... No false flag on this one....
How could they setup false flag op with 2 US vessels anyway?

yeah threat alert is minimal as far as the actual incident.

we are monitoring total bullshit neo-con zionazi news feeds to see if they are going to start more anti-iran sentiment over this minimal incident.

Remember that the Gulf of Tonkin incident never even happened.  It was puppeteers and their puppet news outlets that escalated our involvement in Vietnam.

[Dig]

Builder: Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics Corporation, Groton, Conn.
Propulsion system: one nuclear reactor
Armament: Harpoon and Tomahawk missiles from VLS-tubes, four 533 mm torpedo Tubes for Mk-48 torpedoes, ability to lay mines
Cost: approx. $900 million

I feel much safer now, WTF?

How is this possible?

[GakunGak]

yeah threat alert is minimal as far as the actual incident.

we are monitoring total bullshit neo-con zionazi news feeds to see if they are going to start more anti-iran sentiment over this minimal incident.

Remember that the Gulf of Tonkin incident never even happened.  It was puppeteers and their puppet news outlets that escalated our involvement in Vietnam.

I thought it was 2 Israeli pilots and jets that were believed to be from Egypt, that fired upon US ship, and that US Task Force group was denied when asked to render assistance to a distress signal?

[Dig]

I thought it was 2 Israeli pilots and jets that were believed to be from Egypt, that fired upon US ship, and that US Task Force group was denied when asked to render assistance to a distress signal?

You are thinking of Lyndon Johnson's (and the zionazi energy and military warmongerers) USS Liberty attack to allow the US to take over much of the Middle East (as we are doing now).  That was different than Lyndon Johnson's Gulf of Tonkin facade.  Lyndon loved getting the US into illegal wars and he also loved blowing the head off of US Presidents.  What a guy.

[Avers]

Well, what are the chances of both vessels having been in previous incidents, or does the below just show what a mess the US navy currently is?:


USS Hartford (SSN-768)
http://www.bellona.org/english_import_area/international/russia/nuke_industry/co-operation/31750

The 114-metre long USS Hartford had left its Sardinian base at La Maddelena carrying Tomahawk missiles, possibly loaded with nuclear warheads, the British Independent reported. The US Navy official, who requested anonymity, however, would not confirm this.

...

In spite of what appears to be a lucky near miss, the incident’s gravity was underscored by the fact the both the USS Hartford’s captain, Commander Christopher Van Metre, and his squadron commander, Captain Greg Parker—who was also on board at the time the sub ran aground—were immediately fired, said the US navy official.

USS New Orleans (LPD-18)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20081001-9999-1n1orleans.html

A report from the Navy's Bureau of Inspection and Survey described 2,600 problems, including “ongoing deficiencies” with the steering system and an unreliable propulsion system.

“USS New Orleans was degraded in her ability to conduct sustained combat operations,” the report said. “The ship cannot support embarked troops, cargo or landing craft.”

(and that was August last year)

[Dig]

Well, what are the chances of both vessels having been in previous incidents, or does the below just show what a mess the US navy currently is?:


USS Hartford (SSN-768)
http://www.bellona.org/english_import_area/international/russia/nuke_industry/co-operation/31750

USS New Orleans (LPD-18)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20081001-9999-1n1orleans.html(and that was August last year)

whoah, these ships were intended to be f-d up and purposefully floating them around live war zones seems quite coincidental indeed.

[jflack]

I feel much safer now, WTF?

How is this possible?

Exactly!  And any time a nuclear powered sub collides with anything you have to be concerned.  

From the earlier news story, "The propulsion plant of the submarine was unaffected by the collision. The New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, which resulted in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel marine."

This particular sub had a previous accident in 2003 near Italy.  

[Dig]

Exactly!  And any time a nuclear powered sub collides with anything you have to be concerned.  

From the earlier news story, "The propulsion plant of the submarine was unaffected by the collision. The New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, which resulted in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel marine."

This particular sub had a previous accident in 2003 near Italy.  

And there were two NATO nuke subs that collided a month ago (France and England) in totally open/deep ocean water.

HOW MANY FRICKING NUKE SUBS DO WE HAVE THAT THEY KEEP COLLIDING? 

10 Trillion? 

WTF?

[jflack]

USS Hartford(SSN 768)

Commanding Officer - Cmdr. Ryan Brookhart
Executive Officer - Lt. Cmdr. Matthew Phelps
Chief of the Boat - ETCM(SS) Stefan Prevot
 
http://www.csg2.navy.mil/Hartford.htm

[Dig]

"possibly loaded with nuclear warheads"


uhhhh guys....

[GakunGak]

You are thinking of Lyndon Johnson's (and the zionazi energy and military warmongerers) USS Liberty attack to allow the US to take over much of the Middle East (as we are doing now).  That was different than Lyndon Johnson's Gulf of Tonkin facade.  Lyndon loved getting the US into illegal wars and he also loved blowing the head off of US Presidents.  What a guy.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
But anyway, relating to this event, I still don't see enough material for a false flag. Sub collisions do happen more than we already know.
I could be wrong, but we are relatively safe for now...
As for the nuke reactor inside the sub, it could not be affected as it's protected enough. Subs transit 5-15kts, usualy less than 10, around 7. At that speed, reactor is safe, but hull damage or something that might happen to the torpedoes or tomahawks onboard would be really catastrophic... Remember the Kursk? During the incident [whatever happened], it's reactors automatically shut off.
I was more concerned over UK-France impact, they are nuclear balistics!!! This sub is fast-attack, meaning mk-48 torps and tomahawk missiles [vertical launch tubes]....
And crew are trained enough to take a hit like this...

@Sane: SSN cannot be fitted with nukes. Only SSBN's, like Ohio class...
This is LA 688i....

[GakunGak]

USS Hartford(SSN 768)

Commanding Officer - Cmdr. Ryan Brookhart
Executive Officer - Lt. Cmdr. Matthew Phelps
Chief of the Boat - ETCM(SS) Stefan Prevot
 
http://www.csg2.navy.mil/Hartford.htm

Sadly, those guys are are going to be relieved by the Navy because of lack of confidence to command....

[Dig]

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
But anyway, relating to this event, I still don't see enough material for a false flag. Sub collisions do happen more than we already know.
I could be wrong, but we are relatively safe for now...
As for the nuke reactor inside the sub, it could not be affected as it's protected enough. Subs transit 5-15kts, usualy less than 10, around 7. At that speed, reactor is safe, but hull damage or something that might happen to the torpedoes or tomahawks onboard would be really catastrophic... Remember the Kursk? During the incident [whatever happened], it's reactors automatically shut off.
I was more concerned over UK-France impact, they are nuclear balistics!!! This sub is fast-attack, meaning mk-48 torps and tomahawk missiles [vertical launch tubes]....
And crew are trained enough to take a hit like this...

@Sane: SSN cannot be fitted with nukes. Only SSBN's, like Ohio class...
This is LA 688i....

Italy furious after US Navy tried to cover up sub accident
http://www.bellona.org/english_import_area/international/russia/nuke_industry/co-operation/31750
Part of: Nuclear USA , Nuclear accidents and incidents
The USS Harford during a dive. US Navy

British and French nuclear subs collide at sea causing bad damage, but no radiation leaks or casualties

US Navy investigation determines radiation leaks on US nuclear attack sub insignificant - but solicits input from environmental groups

US sub leaks radiation in Japanese port, Japan’s foreign minister kept in dark
The US Navy covered up for nearly a month an incident during which a 7,000 tonne nuclear powered submarine from the US Navy’s Sixth Fleet in Italy ran violently aground in the Mediterranean Sea north of Sardinia last month, a US Naval official confirmed Thursday.
Charles Digges, 13/11-2003

The US Navy—by its own admission in an interview with Bellona Web—sought to cover up the accident until relatives of the vessel’s crew, who spoke to US papers about the sailors’ early return after the accident, made the incident impossible to conceal.

The Los Angeles class submarine, the USS Hartford, hit the rocky sea-bed of the Mediterranean with such force that rudders, sonar and other electronic equipment were severely damaged, the US naval official said. The 114-metre long USS Hartford had left its Sardinian base at La Maddelena carrying Tomahawk missiles, possibly loaded with nuclear warheads, the British Independent reported. The US Navy official, who requested anonymity, however, would not confirm this.

A near miss
The USS Hartford was sailing east past the island of Capera where, soon after midnight on October 25th, it ran aground. The US Navy, said the naval source in a telephone interview from Washington, had “admittedly tried to keep a lid on the accident.” But US naval brass were apparently trumped when relatives of the submarines crew found out that the submarine’s scheduled six-month tour of duty was being cut short a month after it began and leaked the story to local media outlets, the US Naval source said.

The naval source added that after “temporary repairs in Italy that will make it seaworthy,” the USS Harford will cross the Atlantic to the Norfolk, Virginia dockyard for full repairs. The naval source said he had not idea how long the repairs would take.

The naval source said that the Hartford’s reactor had suffered no damage and the crew had suffered no injuries. But the Sixth Fleet’s image, in the eyes of its Italian hosts, sustained a heavy blow. Reaction in Italy—both to the discovery of the cover-up and the incident itself—has been rage.

Rage in Italy
"It's the umpteenth demonstration not only of the grave risks to which the civilian population is exposed but also of the culture of silence that invariably covers military activities in Sardinia," Italian Green Party MP, Mauro Bulgarelli said in Parliament, according to the Independent. "Our country was denuclearised nearly 20 years ago, due to the wish of the overwhelming majority of the Italian population. It is unacceptable that, thanks to American troops based in our territory, the nuclear risk should be reintroduced. In another age, that would be called colonisation."

Italy’s Minister of the Environment, Altero Matteoli, said that the USS Hartford incident was “a serious incident" and said an official had been sent to investigate, the Independent reported. But, Matteoli said that "first reports from the site of the incident did not mention environmental problems."

Immediate firings
In spite of what appears to be a lucky near miss, the incident’s gravity was underscored by the fact the both the USS Hartford’s captain, Commander Christopher Van Metre, and his squadron commander, Captain Greg Parker—who was also on board at the time the sub ran aground—were immediately fired, said the US navy official. When the USS Oklahoma, another US submarine, hit a Norwegian Merchant ship east of the Straits of Gibraltar last year, that subs captain was only fired two weeks after the incident, the US navy source said.

A spokeswoman for the US Sixth Fleet, which is based in Gaeta, near Naples, told the Independent Wednesday that the two officers were immediately removed from their posts because their commander, Rear Admiral Stephen Stanley "no longer had confidence in their ability to command." Six other crewmembers, including two officers, have also been disciplined.

The US Navy’s Los Angeles class submarine
The United States Navy has 51 nuclear powered Los Angeles Class attack submarines. It is equipped for anti-submarine warfare, intelligence gathering, show-of-force missions, insertion of special forces, strike missions, mining and search and rescue.

Nine Los Angeles class submarines were deployed in the Gulf War in 1991, during which Tomahawk missiles were launched from two of the submarines. It is unknown how many are currenly deployed in the ongoing US-Iraqi crisis, but the Sixth Fleet provided significant sea support during the latest Guld War.

[Dig]

Sadly, those guys are are going to be relieved by the Navy because of lack of confidence to command....

I am not sure I understand.  Are you saying that this really is no big deal and we should ignore it when nuke vessels crash into each other (again-same vessel), especially when it occurs in a designated NWO war zone?

[Optimus]

First there was the FBI raiding a company that is capable of detecting nuclear blasts in water and on land anywhere in the world, taking their computers and data.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=94071.0

Then this happens. WTF?!

[GakunGak]

Sane, Fast attacks can't have nuclear missiles onboard due to their configuration on how they are built...
Compare 688/688i and Ohio class, they are basically the same by looks, but Ohio is longer and has Missile hatches on it back. 688/688i for tomahawks has in front of the bridge, on the nose. Harpoon uses torpedo tubes.
But, I wonder if tomahawks could be fitted with nuke heads....
Radiation leak is possible if high-speed colision happens, but under these circumstances, they run slow and cautious. This incident may be related to sonar performance or an error in maneuvering procedure....
As for your question, it is a standard practice by the Navy. They collide with something, they fire them or transfer somewhere else and lower their rank...
I say when nuke vessel scratches itself on something during slow-speed transit. ONE SUB! 2 or more is something to be cautious. But this was just an minor incident, nothing to worry about.
I am worried when:
1. SSBN hits something, because Ohio carries 24 balistic missiles.
2. 2 subs fast attack that differ by nation, for example UK and France
3. Major accident when sub is lost, another country might be targeted for sinking and never proven because sub wreck stays where it grounds....

[GakunGak]

If this was something to be worried, this would be discussed here in a flaming-hot temperature...
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=149579
Everyone set Defcon 5....
But indeed that raid by the FBI is really something to think about, and this happens "just in time"....

[Optimus]

FACTBOX: The Strait of Hormuz, key oil shipping route
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE52J3UC20090320?sp=true
Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:45am EDT

(Reuters) - A nuclear-powered U.S. submarine and another U.S. vessel collided on Friday in the Strait of Hormuz but there was no damage to the atomic propulsion unit, the U.S. Navy said.

Around 40 percent of globally traded oil leaves the Gulf region through the Strait of Hormuz, a choke point at the southern end of the Gulf, flanked by the coastlines of Iran and Oman. Here are some facts about the Strait of Hormuz.

* WHERE IS THE STRAIT?

-- A narrow bend of water separating Oman and Iran connects the biggest Gulf oil producers, such as Saudi Arabia, with the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea.

-- At its narrowest point, the Strait is only 34 miles across.

-- The Strait consists of 2-mile (3.2-km) wide navigable channels for inbound and outbound tanker traffic as well as a 2-mile-wide buffer zone.

* OIL SHIPMENTS:

-- Oil movements through the Strait account for roughly 40 percent of all seaborne oil traded in the world, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).

-- In July 2008, the International Energy Agency (IEA) estimated that more than 15 million barrels per day (bpd) of crude passed through the narrow channel on tankers.

-- Ninety percent of oil exported from Gulf producers is carried on oil tankers through the Strait.

-- The bulk of the oil exported through the Strait of Hormuz travels to Asia, the United States, and Western Europe. Some three-quarters of all Japan's oil needs pass through this Strait.

-- An additional 2 million barrels of oil products, including fuel oil, are exported through the passage daily, as well as liquefied natural gas (LNG).

-- Exports from the world's largest LNG exporter, Qatar, pass through the Strait en route to Asia and Europe, totaling 31 million tons a year.

-- The EIA predicts oil exports passing through the strait will double to between 30 million and 34 million bpd by 2020.

-- One of U.S. Central Command's key missions in the Gulf is to ensure the free flow of oil and energy supplies.

* WAR:

-- Between 1984 and 1987, a "Tanker War" took place between Iran and Iraq, where each nation fired on the other's oil tankers bound for their respective ports. Foreign-flagged vessels were caught in the crossfire.

-- Shipping in the Gulf dropped by 25 percent because of the exchange, forcing the intervention of the United States to secure the shipping lanes.

* STRATEGIC CORRIDOR:

-- Merchant ships carrying grains, iron ore, sugar, perishables and containers full of finished goods also pass through the strategic sea corridor en route to Gulf countries and major ports like Dubai.

-- Heavy amour and military supplies for the U.S. armed forces in Iraq and other Gulf countries pass through the channel aboard U.S. Navy-owned, U.S.-flagged and foreign-flagged ships.

Sources: International Energy Agency (IEA), U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD), GlobalSecurity.org, U.S. Navy's Military Sealift Command, Clarkson shipping consultancy.

[Dig]

Sane, Fast attacks can't have nuclear missiles onboard due to their configuration on how they are built...
Compare 688/688i and Ohio class, they are basically the same by looks, but Ohio is longer and has Missile hatches on it back. 688/688i for tomahawks has in front of the bridge, on the nose. Harpoon uses torpedo tubes.
But, I wonder if tomahawks could be fitted with nuke heads....
Radiation leak is possible if high-speed colision happens, but under these circumstances, they run slow and cautious. This incident may be related to sonar performance or an error in maneuvering procedure....
As for your question, it is a standard practice by the Navy. They collide with something, they fire them or transfer somewhere else and lower their rank...
I say when nuke vessel scratches itself on something during slow-speed transit. ONE SUB! 2 or more is something to be cautious. But this was just an minor incident, nothing to worry about.
I am worried when:
1. SSBN hits something, because Ohio carries 24 balistic missiles.
2. 2 subs fast attack that differ by nation, for example UK and France
3. Major accident when sub is lost, another country might be targeted for sinking and never proven because sub wreck stays where it grounds....

thanks for the info

[Optimus]

Oil prices rise after news of Hormuz collision
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i5TtajgUpSm7KY5jf-lCJGHBB-tAD971QMC80
By GEORGE JAHN – 47 minutes ago

VIENNA (AP) — Oil prices reversed course and traded higher Friday on news that two U.S. Navy vessels had collided in the Strait of Hormuz, the portal for about 40 percent of all seaborne traded oil last year.

A submarine and an amphibious ship collided early Friday in the Strait of Hormuz between Iran and the Arabian peninsula, the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet reported.

Benchmark crude for April delivery, which had traded lower for most of the morning, erased those losses and rose 39 cents to $52 on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The USS Hartford, a submarine, collided with an amphibious ship, the USS New Orleans. Both were operating under their own power.

The Navy said the ships were conducting regular security operations. According to the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, 15 soldiers aboard the Hartford were slightly injured but able to return to duty.

The New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, resulting in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel.

Oil prices rallied this week with a growing consensus that OPEC has cut production substantially.

In a report Friday, analysts with Morgan Stanley said a sharp drop-off in deep water drilling projects could cut crude supplies by another 2.4 million barrels a day in 2011.

That would come on top of 4.2 million barrels a day that OPEC has promised to cut.

With the April contract set to expire Friday, most of the trading had shifted to the contract for May, which rose 29 cents to $53.33.

Traders, however, said the economic downturn was keeping prices in check.

An incident like a collision in the Strait of Hormuz would likely have sent prices skyrocketing just seven months ago.

"One significant bad figure and the whole thing can collapse, so it's really fragile," said Christoffer Moltke-Leth, head of sales trading for Saxo Capital Markets in Singapore.

Oil has been bolstered this week by news the U.S. Federal Reserve plans to buy $1.25 trillion of government bonds and mortgage-backed securities. The announcement sent the dollar down on worries the plan would expand dramatically the money supply and stoke inflation. Oil contracts are often used by investors as a hedge against inflation and a weakening dollar.

"Oil is still strongly correlated to the dollar," Moltke-Leth. "What the Fed is doing — printing money to buy government debt — it's just the most inflationary thing you can do."

The dollar was steady at 94.58 yen Friday, but that was down from nearly 99 yen just two days ago. The euro was trading at $1.3649.

OPEC has also helped boost prices by largely complying with 4.2 million barrels a day of production cuts the group has announced since September. The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries decided not to reduce output quotas at a meeting on Sunday, but instead focus on adhering to the existing cuts.

Analysts estimate OPEC has so far fulfilled about 80 percent of the promised cuts.

"They won a bit of credibility by saying they have to stick to their quotas and be disciplined," Moltke-Leth said.

Vienna's JBC Energy forecast future upward pressure, despite Friday's downward move.

"OPEC cuts, declining volumes in floating storage, refiners preparing for the summer driving season as well as ... mentioned inflationary concerns should all contribute to this development," it said in its daily report.

In other Nymex trading, gasoline for April delivery rose less than a penny to $1.4456 a gallon, while heating oil rose 1.5 cents to $1.3715 a gallon. Natural gas for April delivery rose 13 cents to $4.30 per 1,000 cubic feet.

In London, Brent prices rose 50 cents to $51.17 on the ICE Futures exchange.

[GakunGak]

No prob, friend.  
Check out subsim.com and their forum, also nice link:
http://www.navsource.org/
I'm a submarine nutjob, also check out this company:
http://www.sonalysts.com/
These guys make software for military and simulators, also they made Dangerous Waters....

[Dig]

No prob, friend.  
Check out subsim.com and their forum, also nice link:
http://www.navsource.org/
I'm a submarine nutjob, also check out this company:
http://www.sonalysts.com/
These guys make software for military and simulators, also they made Dangerous Waters....

Perhaps you can think about connecting some dots of these companies and possible issues with the navy nuke sub program (wasn't Navy Intel one of the predecessors to the CIA?) and write up some detailed, sourced information in a PhD type thread.  Take a look at some of the investigative reports in this room http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=378.0 (take a look at anti_illuminati's stuff to get a feel for it) so that in the future, we can assess risks, understand what areas to look deeper into, and diffuse nonsense more quickly (not that anything in this thread is nonsense, it is all pretty important as far as I can see).

[Avers]

Sane, Fast attacks can't have nuclear missiles onboard due to their configuration on how they are built...
Compare 688/688i and Ohio class, they are basically the same by looks, but Ohio is longer and has Missile hatches on it back. 688/688i for tomahawks has in front of the bridge, on the nose. Harpoon uses torpedo tubes.
But, I wonder if tomahawks could be fitted with nuke heads....
Radiation leak is possible if high-speed colision happens, but under these circumstances, they run slow and cautious. This incident may be related to sonar performance or an error in maneuvering procedure....
As for your question, it is a standard practice by the Navy. They collide with something, they fire them or transfer somewhere else and lower their rank...
I say when nuke vessel scratches itself on something during slow-speed transit. ONE SUB! 2 or more is something to be cautious. But this was just an minor incident, nothing to worry about.
I am worried when:
1. SSBN hits something, because Ohio carries 24 balistic missiles.
2. 2 subs fast attack that differ by nation, for example UK and France
3. Major accident when sub is lost, another country might be targeted for sinking and never proven because sub wreck stays where it grounds....

As the article from the incident in Italy noted, it was about the tomahawks carried by the USS Hartford at that time which were possibly equipped nuclear warheads, which unfortunately tomahawks are perfectly capable off. If they were so equipped now, there is no way of knowing, although it would not surprise me in the slightest.

And although I agree with you that it is a minor incident, the Strait of Hormuz is of too much of an importance to dismiss any incident out of hand. One possible consequence for example, noted on another website, could be Iran trying to assert more control over the strait with a pretext on environmental concerns, or something similar. Take a guess how well such a move would sit with the Western countries...

And besides, personally I do not believe in these kind of 'coincidental accidents' with what is supposed to be top of the line military hardware. Or it must be that the degree of incompetence under the US personnel is of a much higher level than they would like to admit. Or the Strait of Hormuz is so jam-packed full with military hardware and other ships, that these kind of accidents are to be expected. And both are equally worrying in my opinion.

[GakunGak]

Sane, US NAVY Submarine program and it's operations is the most secretive branch in the military. That's why it's called Silent Service.
Subs can wreck havoc on any ship, submarine or land target and nobody would know they were there....
Companies that bould US subs are:
http://www.northropgrumman.com/
http://www.gdeb.com/
Sonalysts desing SONAR patterns and have military contracts in the NAVY.
Northop and Elec boats used to be rival companies, but when they were designing Virginia class [like Seawolf but cheaper], they joined together. Since then, I don't know if they are in the league together or separate again. Subs also have major funds cut... Subs are usually used for spying, I mean "intelligence gathering"...  
Check out subsim, that is a community of submarines....

[GakunGak]

Or the Strait of Hormuz is so jam-packed full with military hardware and other ships, that these kind of accidents are to be expected. And both are equally worrying in my opinion.

This was the case... If it was bloated with traffic, either sonar guy was tired or lost concentration due to many contacts, or did not hear good due to waves traveling so the sonar was affected. Or the commander-lieutenant in charge did not react properly "by-the-book"...
If they were shallow, they could not use towed sonar, and if that ship was behind them, they were deaf because of their propellers...
IMO, it was an accident, not intentional. in a straight, their ability to maneuver is very limited and maybe they were aware of the ship, just unable to avoid contact......

[jflack]

Los Angeles-class submarines carry an array of weapons, including torpedoes, Tomahawk land-attack cruise missiles, and submarine-launched mobile mines. Tomahawks were fired from torpedo tubes by earlier versions of this class but later versions have vertical-launch tubes. During the Cold War, Los Angeles-class boats also carried Subroc (submarine rocket) nuclear depth charges, Harpoon and Tomahawk anti-ship missiles, and nuclear Tomahawks.

http://americanhistory.si.edu/subs/const/anatomy/attacks/index.html

[GakunGak]

nice find, jflack...

[Spark of Truth Inc.]

I wonder about something. In this collision 15 seamen on the ship were injured and 0 seamen on the submarine. What kind of accident can explain this?
High speed submarine hits ship full speed?

[GakunGak]

I wonder about something. In this collision 15 seamen on the ship were injured and 0 seamen on the submarine. What kind of accident can explain this?
High speed submarine hits ship full speed?

That would be impossible, the sub would have been lost!!!!!
They were probably transiting at slow speed, and they were shallow, probably @ 60feet, so probably the sub hit first....
Sailors on a sub knew about the collision so the braced themselves, while these on board a ship didn't.... So unexpected came and it was probably light bumps, no serious injury....
That's what I think....

[Spark of Truth Inc.]

How can they brace themselves, if they couldn't know that they'll hit the ship.

[GakunGak]

How can they brace themselves, if they couldn't know that they'll hit the ship.

Maybe they did know, but couldn't avoid it....