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« Reply #320 on: March 25, 2009, 10:56:16 AM »

This is a serious big deal. 

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« Reply #321 on: March 25, 2009, 01:33:45 PM »

CLOSE TO HOME: How can volunteerism in America be 'mandatory'?
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090325/OPINION/903250315/1042?Title=CLOSE-TO-HOME-How-can-volunteerism-in-America-be-mandatory

By ANN JORDAN

Published: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 at 3:41 a.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 at 3:41 a.m.

My parents taught me to read every word of any contract I signed. Obviously Congress doesn't follow that rule.

Already we have Congress' frantic backlash from the AIG bonuses, which were in fact authorized by specific language buried deep in the stimulus bill that gave AIG its handout.

Now we have more dynamite buried in the GIVE Act (H.R. 1388), already passed in a whirlwind by the House and being fast-tracked in the Senate. The GIVE Act reauthorizes the National and Community Service Act of 1990 and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973, and also includes many more new programs encouraging Americans to volunteer and "give back" to their country. Who could object to this?

Yet, there are disturbing clauses which could change the institutions of this country in unprecedented ways. For example, the House version of the bill, in Section 6104, directs a committee to study: "The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service. (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds."

Shall we and our children then be "required" to perform national service? How can that requirement be "mandatory?"

It is one thing for schools to require community service, as many do now, since students have the option to attend another school or to home school. However, if enacted on a national level, such "mandatory service" is no longer voluntary, but in fact would be either conscription or involuntary servitude.

Service which is not freely given from the heart is no longer service but an imposition by an exterior force -- in this case, our government.

There is also language in the House bill (Section 115) which requires private schools to include their students in these programs and requires private school teachers to take training so that they can "carry out the objectives" of the bill.

In California, homeschoolers are registered as private schools which might mean that even those who opt out of the school system could not opt out of this requirement.

We must cease casually passing bills which no one has read. It has already cost us more money than most of us can conceive of. But it could be worse. It could cost us our freedoms.

I urge you to read H.R. 1388 for yourself, and contact your Congressional representatives.

Ann Jordan, a Sonoma County resident, is a stay-at-home mom who is considering home schooling her children.
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« Reply #322 on: March 25, 2009, 01:35:40 PM »

GIVE … until it’s mandatory?
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/25/give-until-its-mandatory/
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I’ve received a lot of e-mail over the GIVE Act, the new $6 billion boondoggle for voluntary national service.  It’s a bad plan, with its five-year cost projection looking like a very odd idea in a time when Capitol Hill has screeched over $165 million in contractual compensation for people doing actual jobs.  The boss rightly attacks GIVE for the bad and bipartisan idea that it actually is:

    Maybe it’s just me, but I find federal legislation titled “The GIVE Act” and “The SERVE Act” downright creepy. Even more troubling: The $6 billion price tag on these bipartisan bills to expand government-funded national service efforts. Volunteerism is a wonderful thing, which is why millions of Americans do it every day without a cent of taxpayer money. But the volunteerism packages on the Hill are less about promoting effective charity than about creating make-work, permanent bureaucracies, and left-wing slush funds.

    The House passed the “Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act” – or the GIVE Act – last week. The Senate took up the companion “SERVE Act” Tuesday afternoon. According to a Congressional Budget Office analysis of the Senate bill, S. 277, the bill would cost “$418 million in 2010 and about $5.7 billion over the 2010-2014 period.” And like most federal programs, these would be sure to grow over time. The bills reauthorize the Clinton-era Americorps boondoggle program and an older law, the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973.

    The programs have already been allocated $1.1 billion for fiscal 2009, including $200 million from the porkulus package signed into law last month. In addition to recruiting up to 250,000 enrollees in AmeriCorps, the GIVE/SERVE bills would create new little armies of government volunteers, including a Clean Energy Corps, Education Corps, Healthy Futures Corps, Veterans Service Corps, and and expanded National Civilian Community Corps for disaster relief and energy conservation. And that’s not all.

Michelle goes on to list some of the notable recipients of these funds.  Be sure to read the entire column.

But the tenor of the email on this has not focused on the waste of money GIVE represents in a time when federal revenues will fall dramatically from their Bush-era highs, thanks to the flopping economy.  People attack GIVE as compulsory national service, which it isn’t.  Gateway Pundit has been calling it the “Hitler Youth Act”, which is unfair and historically inaccurate.  GIVE funds voluntary organizations and does not create a compulsory cult-of-personality organization.

It does, however, contemplate mandatory national service, commissioning a study to determine:

    (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

Again, in fairness, this is neither new nor particular to Democrats.  Misguided politicians from both parties have argued for some sort of national service that would encompass a military draft and options for civilian service as substitutes for it.  Most of these came shortly after the end of the draft in the early 1970s.

Lately, though, the idea seems to come more from Democrats, who used to oppose the notion of compulsory service on grounds of individual liberty.  Barack Obama talked about a “civilian national security force” during the campaign, but retreated when he received criticism for it.  Variations of this idea have floated around for months, including the creation of an infrastructure labor force that would displace businesses in public-works projects and so on.

It’s a bad idea.  The GIVE Act is a bad idea on other grounds, too.  Republicans have an opportunity to stand for individual liberty and the limitation of government control over the lives of young people across the nation by opposing GIVE’s new study and all talk of compulsory service.  Ask college-age students how they feel about taking two years out of their post-educational lives to dig ditches and build bridges not because they want to do it, but because it will become illegal to refuse.  I suspect they will start Google-mapping the best routes to Canada — or stop voting for the people proposing to enslave them.

Update: Moe Lane tackles an aspect of the emails I neglected, that of the GIVE Act’s limitations on political and religious activity while in volunteer service.  Again, if the service is voluntary, then that’s less of a problem for me than if it’s mandatory.  I do agree with Moe that whoever wrote GIVE doesn’t trust college students very much.
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« Reply #323 on: March 25, 2009, 03:26:46 PM »

Land bill in House, government grabbing land

That bill has now been passed. All that's left is for Obama to sign it into law. Sad

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=95395.0
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« Reply #324 on: March 25, 2009, 04:51:12 PM »

GETTING PERSONAL: Service May Offer Respite For Job-Seekers

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090325-710143.html
By Shelly Banjo
A DOW JONES NEWSWIRES COLUMN

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Older people with limited savings and college graduates facing a dismal job market may soon find one alternative to be more viable: government-sponsored volunteering.

New federal legislation would expand volunteer programs which, while not providing the income of regular full-time work, often come with health benefits and a living stipend. They can also be a place to pick up skills and resume points until the employment situation and the economy recover.

The legislation comes at a time when young and old of all income levels are facing tough job competition and "people feel the country isn't in the shape they'd like to see it," says Thomas Nelson, chief operating officer at AARP.

The number of employed workers ages 16 to 24 fell to 18.3 million in February, down about two million since 2007, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. In the same time period, the labor market gained almost two million employees ages 55 and over, many of them would-be retirees forced to stay in, or return to, the work force because of steep losses in their portfolios.

The House of Representatives passed the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education, or GIVE, Act on March 18, while the Senate votes this week on the Serve America Act. Both are designed to create new volunteer service opportunities, building on a larger call to service by President Barack Obama and the AmeriCorps program model. The legislation envisions an increase in the number of volunteers nationwide who give a year of service to 250,000, up from 75,000 now.

The acts also expand opportunities for older Americans to serve through Silver Scholarships and Encore Fellowships, programs offering seniors ages 55 or older volunteer opportunities and training to help enter into new careers in the public or nonprofit sectors.

The legislation includes provisions that could provide benefits to volunteers in one-year service programs, such as education awards, living stipends and health-care benefits.

At AmeriCorps, full-time volunteers now receive an $11,800 living allowance for serving 1,700 hours. At the end of service, they get a $4,725 award which can be used for education expenses or to pay back student loans. (Many colleges will match this award). Most volunteers receive health-care and childcare benefits, offered through the nonprofit organizations that work with the program.

Stipends and benefits could increase with the passage of these bills, says AmeriCorps spokesman Sandy Scott.

If recent college grads can "get shelter and food for the next couple of years while they ride out this recession and emerge with incredible work experience, they're going to end up doing far better for themselves and the world over the rest of their work life," says Steven Rothberg, founder of CollegeRecruiter.com.

A meaningful volunteer experience also can boost a student's prospects of getting into graduate school or a better job, he says.

Critics of the legislation say many nonprofits don't have the means to expand this much, this fast.

"With a huge influx of volunteers, the capacity isn't going to be there to effectively utilize their skills, taking away from a rewarding volunteer experience," says David Ross, public policy officer for Pennsylvania Association of Nonprofit Organization.

To address those concerns, Senators Max Baucus, D-Mont., and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, introduced an amendment to assist small and midsize nonprofit organizations in capacity-building and organizational development.

"If these structural issues aren't addressed, the effectiveness of these initiatives" will be limited, Ross says.

(Shelly Banjo is a Getting Personal columnist who writes about wealth management and philanthropy; she covers topics including tax and estate planning, investment strategies, charitable giving and the independent sector. She can be reached at 201-938-4046 or by email at shelly.banjo@dowjones.com.)

(TALK BACK: We invite readers to send us comments on this or other financial news topics. Please email us at TalkbackAmericas@dowjones.com. Readers should include their full names, work or home addresses and telephone numbers for verification purposes. We reserve the right to edit and publish your comments along with your name; we reserve the right not to publish reader comments.)
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« Reply #325 on: March 25, 2009, 04:53:34 PM »

holy sh*tballs!  This is so serious I don't know what to do, except keep smoking on this blunt!  We're all f.u.b.a.r. on this one, I mean this is going to equate to getting a letter in the mail in about 3 months that I have to report to a god damn camp!  f**k that!

I'm going to go Mel Gibson on the government and tomahawk these NWO scum to hell!

YAAARRRGGHHH!!

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« Reply #326 on: March 25, 2009, 04:57:29 PM »

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« Reply #327 on: March 25, 2009, 05:15:11 PM »

  Michelle Malkin is even upset about it!!! (although she's pretty fascist herself, so I don't know if she knows what a hypocrite she is by being opposed to something like this)

http://www.vdare.com/malkin/090324_boondoggle.htm

March 24, 2009
To GIVE and To SERVE: The $6 Billion National Service Boondoggle

By Michelle Malkin

Maybe it's just me, but I find federal legislation titled "The GIVE Act" and "The SERVE Act" downright creepy. Even more troubling: the $6 billion price tag on these bipartisan bills to expand government-funded national service efforts.

Volunteerism is a wonderful thing, which is why millions of Americans do it every day without a cent of taxpayer money. But the volunteerism packages on the Hill are less about promoting effective charity than about creating make-work, permanent bureaucracies and left-wing slush funds.

The House passed the "Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act"—or the GIVE Act—last week. The Senate took up the companion SERVE Act Tuesday afternoon. According to a Congressional Budget Office analysis of the Senate bill (S.277), it would cost "$418 million in 2010 and about $5.7 billion over the 2010-2014 period."

Like most federal programs, these would be sure to grow over time. The bills reauthorize the Clinton-era AmeriCorps boondoggle program and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973.

The programs have already been allocated $1.1 billion for fiscal year 2009, including $200 million from the porkulus package signed into law last month. In addition to recruiting up to 250,000 enrollees in AmeriCorps, the GIVE/SERVE bills would create new little armies of government volunteers, including a Clean Energy Corps, Education Corps, Healthy Futures Corps, Veterans Service Corps, and an expanded National Civilian Community Corps for disaster relief and energy conservation.

But that's not all. Spending would include new funds for:

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      Foster Grandparent Program ($115 million);
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      Learn and Serve America ($97 million);
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      Retired and Senior Volunteer Program ($70 million);
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      Senior Companion Program ($55 million);
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      $12 million for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014 for "the Silver Scholarships and Encore Fellowships programs";
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      $10 million a year from 2010 through 2014 for a new "Volunteers for Prosperity" program at USAID to "award grants to fund opportunities for volunteering internationally in coordination with eligible organizations"; and
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      Social Innovation Fund and Volunteer Generation Fund—$50 million in 2010; $60 million in 2011; $70 million in 2012; $80 million in 2013; and $100 million in 2014.

Social Innovation Fund? If that sounds familiar, it should. I reported last fall on the Democratic Party platform's push to fund a "Social Investment Fund Network" that would reward "social entrepreneurs and leading nonprofit organizations" and "support results-oriented innovators." It is essentially a special taxpayer-funded pipeline for radical liberal groups backed by billionaire George Soros that masquerade as public-interest do-gooders.

Especially troublesome to parents' groups concerned about compulsory volunteerism requirements is a provision in the House version directing Congress to explore "whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic and educational backgrounds."

Those who have watched AmeriCorps from its inception are all too familiar with how government volunteerism programs have been used for propaganda and political purposes. AmeriCorps "volunteers" have been put to work lobbying against the voter-approved three-strikes anti-crime initiative in California and protesting Republican political events while working for the already heavily tax-subsidized liberal advocacy group ACORN.

D.C. watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste also documented national service volunteers lobbying for rent control, expanded federal housing subsidies and enrollment of more women in the Women, Infants and Children welfare program. AmeriCorps volunteers have also been paid to shuffle paper at the Department of Justice, the Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Legal Services Corporation and the National Endowment for the Arts.

(Now, imagine Obama's troops being sent overseas—out of sight and unaccountable—as part of that $10 million a year USAID/Volunteers for Prosperity program. Egad.)

One vigilant House member, GOP Rep. Virginia Foxx, successfully attached an amendment to the GIVE Act to bar National Service participants from engaging in political lobbying; endorsing or opposing legislation; organizing petitions, protests, boycotts or strikes; providing or promoting abortions or referrals; or influencing union organizing.

Supporters of GIVE/SERVE are now fighting those restrictions tooth and nail, screaming censorship and demanding the provisions be dropped—which tells you everything you need to know about the true nature of this boondoggle. Taxpayers GIVE their money to SERVE a big government agenda under the guise of helping their fellow man. It's charity at the point of a gun.
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« Reply #328 on: March 25, 2009, 05:31:45 PM »

This GIVE act looks more like a TAKE act.... Huh
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« Reply #329 on: March 25, 2009, 05:53:12 PM »

This GIVE act looks more like a TAKE act.... Huh

that is the point, we give and they take.
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« Reply #330 on: March 25, 2009, 07:59:48 PM »

that is the point, we give and they take.

you mean like global taxation without representation?

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« Reply #332 on: March 26, 2009, 07:03:10 AM »

Continuing discussion on HR1388 today in the Senate on C-SPAN 2 starting at 9:30 AM EST.

And no, you don't need cable to watch it. All 3 CSPAN channels are free coverage of the House, Senate, etc, and are free as a public service. All you need is the internet connection you already have.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2_wm.aspx

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Continuing discussion on HR1388 today in the Senate on C-SPAN 2 starting at 9:30 AM EST.

And no, you don't need cable to watch it. All 3 CSPAN channels are free coverage of the House, Senate, etc, and are free as a public service. All you need is the internet connection you already have.

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« Reply #334 on: March 26, 2009, 07:31:29 AM »

UPDATE: They just said on CSPAN that they 'expect' a final vote on HR1388 sometime today. I've got that sick feeling in my stomach...

Watching the opening prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance...

Funny how they then go about the business of spitting in the face of that every day.
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« Reply #335 on: March 26, 2009, 08:10:29 AM »

KUCINICH:

I believe he is basically a good one ... and is waking up more all the time.

But like many lefties, he is still under their spell, still buying the propaganda and manipulations to some degree.

Like this vote on Forced Servitude. It is the 'universal' wording that the lefties like. This harkens back to previous drafts when the 'elite' and the 'well-to-do' were let off the hook, with school deferments, cushy NatGuard positions, defense plant jobs, etc. They don't so much object to "National Service" (especially the 'jobs' angle) as long as EVERYONE is subject to it ... no more wars fought by only the lower class.

Of course, this is BOGUS ... you will not see the sons and daughters of CEOs and Bankers and Governors and SENATORS on the front lines ... unless they CHOOSE to be there. The law is written this way to confound the law~makers and citizenry alike.


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« Reply #336 on: March 26, 2009, 08:51:30 AM »

Rep Mike Enzi (R-WY) is giving HR1388 a virtual blow job. Everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle that I've seen the last week does nothing but insist what an awesome bill this is, and how BIPARTISAN it is, and thanking the authors of the bill for bringing such a wonderful and important piece of legislation. (insert slurping sound here)

Does NO ONE have the huevos to stand up against this treason?
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« Reply #337 on: March 26, 2009, 09:07:25 AM »

I know it's treason.  We know it.  The World knows it.  D.C. chooses to ignore it.  But if the majority decides not to call it treason, even though they are bought and paid for by the Global elite, can it be called as such?

I read Urban Survival fairly often...talks of the Web Bot Project and how it applies to the economy...and even THEY are starting to see the police state terminology apply more often.

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« Reply #338 on: March 26, 2009, 09:27:36 AM »

Senate Calendar
http://democrats.senate.gov/calendar/2009-03.html

March 26th

Convenes: 9:30am
Morning Business for up to 1 hour, with 10 minute limitations. The Republicans will control the first 30 minutes and the Majority will control the final 30 minutes. Following morning business, the Senate will resume consideration of HR1388, National Service. The Senate is now considering H.R.1388. The following amendments are pending to the bill:Mikulski #697 (Substitute)Thune #715 (Charities)Burr #722 (Background Checks) 1:00pm filing deadline for first degree amendments to HR1388.

Talking about Burr Amendment #722 now, and they are going to talk 'off the record' about it, and see if they can agree to remove the Amendment.
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« Reply #339 on: March 26, 2009, 09:31:38 AM »

Just as a point of note... From yesterday's Senate session:

109: Confirmation of the nomination of David S. Kris, to be an Assistant Attorney General;
Confirmed: 97-0

This reminds me of something that Robert A. Heinlein once said regarding a dissenting view. That if you don't have ONE person that disagrees with you, on ANYTHING, no matter how trivial it may be, (or regardless if they are totally wrong), your society is screwed.
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I know it's treason.  We know it.  The World knows it.  D.C. chooses to ignore it.  But if the majority decides not to call it treason, even though they are bought and paid for by the Global elite, can it be called as such?

I read Urban Survival fairly often...talks of the Web Bot Project and how it applies to the economy...and even THEY are starting to see the police state terminology apply more often.

http://www.urbansurvival.com/blog/



Thanks for that link ... looks like a very literate site.

 ... and look how they lured the people into the Super Dome ... carrot on a stick.

... and the first thing on the agenda when overtaking an area ... disrupt the supply lines.

Starving people will do ANYTHING for a mouthful of food.

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« Reply #341 on: March 26, 2009, 09:49:48 AM »

This is just a snippet of the eligibilty but what im finding is this bill is FULL of doublespeak although the mandatory word is not as fashionable in the legislation as most would conclude.  I do believe they will require this but its hard to wade through all the bull in the bill.  I do wonder why the below highlighted in red would be so emphasized although I have some ideas!  Thoughts anyone?


TITLE 42 > CHAPTER 129 > SUBCHAPTER I > Division E > § 12613
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§ 12613. National service program

(a) In general
Under the national service program component of the Civilian Community Corps Demonstration Program authorized by section 12612 (a) of this title, eligible young people shall work in teams on Civilian Community Corps projects.

(b) Eligible participants
A person shall be eligible for selection for the national service program if the person—

(1) is at least 16 and not more than 24 years of age; and

(2) is a high school graduate or has not received a high school diploma or its equivalent.

(c) Diverse backgrounds of participants
In selecting persons for the national service program, the Director shall endeavor to ensure that participants are from economically, geographically, and ethnically diverse backgrounds.

(d) Necessary participants
To the extent practicable, at least 50 percent of the participants in the national service program shall be economically disadvantaged youths.


(e) Period of participation
Persons desiring to participate in the national service program shall enter into an agreement with the Director to participate in the Corps for a period of not less than nine months and not more than one year, as specified by the Director, and may renew the agreement for not more than one additional such period.
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« Reply #342 on: March 26, 2009, 10:11:35 AM »

Bill HR1388 has passed the House by a vote of 321-105
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« Reply #343 on: March 26, 2009, 10:35:41 AM »

can we get a record of who voted for it? I would like to see which losers from Colorado let down the people.

Record of which? The House or the Senate vote?
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« Reply #344 on: March 26, 2009, 10:37:27 AM »

The Senate is now considering H.R.1388. The following amendments are pending to the bill:
Mikulski #697 (Substitute)
Thune #715 (Charities)
Burr #722 (Background Checks)
Baucus #721 (Charitable Deductions)
Vitter #705 (ACORN)

1:00pm filing deadline for first degree amendments to HR1388.

The Senate has entered into an agreement to conduct up to 3 votes beginning at 2:30pm today in relation to the following amendments:

-Baucus #721 (Charitable Giving) (15 minute vote)
-Thune #715 (Charitable Giving) (10 minute vote)
-Vitter #705 (ACORN) (10 minute vote)

There will be 2 minutes for debate prior to each vote. No amendments are in order to the amendments prior to a vote.
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« Reply #345 on: March 26, 2009, 10:37:59 AM »

Shame on the Congress and the Senate for playing this elaborate shell game with the American people on this bill.  If I heard Alex correctly, they have all kinds of different pieces of legislation with this thing.
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« Reply #346 on: March 26, 2009, 10:40:13 AM »

can we get a record of who voted for it? I would like to see which losers from Colorado let down the people.
check this site votesmart.org\billhr1388
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« Reply #347 on: March 26, 2009, 11:35:04 AM »

Current status:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1388

Two days ago, there were 12 amendments, today there are 43.

Example: Amendment 14] S.Amdt. 688 by Sen. Crapo [R-ID]

INCREASED BORROWING AUTHORITY OF THE FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION.

by striking ``$30,000,000,000'' and inserting ``$100,000,000,000'';

"that additional amounts above the $100,000,000,000 amount specified in paragraph (1) are necessary, such amount shall be increased to the amount so determined to be necessary, not to exceed $500,000,000,000."

From 30 billion to 500 billion. that's just one.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/amendment.xpd?session=111&amdt=s688

All 43:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1388&tab=amendments
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« Reply #348 on: March 26, 2009, 12:00:57 PM »

Were so scr_wed....

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INCREASED BORROWING AUTHORITY OF THE FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION.
by striking ``$30,000,000,000'' and inserting ``$100,000,000,000'';

"that additional amounts above the $100,000,000,000 amount specified in paragraph (1) are necessary, such amount shall be increased to the amount so determined to be necessary, not to exceed $500,000,000,000."

From 30 billion to 500 billion. that's just one.
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« Reply #349 on: March 26, 2009, 12:07:10 PM »

In so many words, yes.  What angers me is they keep radically changing the rules as the game goes along...
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« Reply #350 on: March 26, 2009, 12:20:33 PM »


by striking ``$30,000,000,000'' and inserting ``$100,000,000,000'';

"that additional amounts above the $100,000,000,000 amount specified in paragraph (1) are necessary, such amount shall be increased to the amount so determined to be necessary, not to exceed $500,000,000,000."

From 30 billion to 500 billion. that's just one.


No wonder I've felt ill all day long listening to this crap.
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« Reply #351 on: March 26, 2009, 12:56:29 PM »

Votes:
112: Now Voting on Baucus amendment #721: (Charitable Giving)
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« Reply #352 on: March 26, 2009, 01:15:22 PM »



Now that I have your attention, have you made any calls yet?

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=94098.msg548922#msg548922


link is dead?HuhHuh??
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« Reply #353 on: March 26, 2009, 01:18:40 PM »

Votes:

112: Baucus amendment #721: (Charitable Giving);
Agreed To: 56-41

113: Thune amendment #716: (Charitable Giving)
Not Agreed To: 48-49

114: Now Voting on Vitter amendment #705: (ACORN)
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« Reply #354 on: March 26, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


link is dead?HuhHuh??

no, ....merged.....
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=94025.0
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« Reply #355 on: March 26, 2009, 01:52:03 PM »

History of the voting, starting with Cloture:

03/23/2009

Votes:

108: On the motion to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed to H.R.1388, Invoked: 74-14

03/25/2009

Votes:

109: Confirmation of the nomination of David S. Kris, to be an Assistant Attorney General;
Confirmed: 97-0


110: Motion to Waive the Budget Act with respect to the Crapo amendment #688: (FDIC);
Not Waived: 48-49

111: Motion to Table Ensign amendment #715: , as modified;
Tabled: 56-41

The following amendments were agreed to by consent:
Baucus-Grassley #692 (Nonprofit Capacity Building Program)
Johanns amendment #693: , as modified (Special Olympics)
Landrieu amendment #717: (Foster Programs)
Dorgan-Murkowski amendment #691: (Native Americans)
Shaheen amendment #712: (Education)
Burr amendment #695: , as modified (outreach for high schools)
Burr amendment #696: , as modified (high school graduation rates)

03/26/2009

Votes:

The Senate is now considering H.R.1388. The following amendments are pending to the bill:

Mikulski #697 (Substitute)

Burr #722 (Background Checks) (withdrawn)

Already voted on:

112: Baucus amendment #721: (Charitable Giving);
Agreed To: 56-41

113: Thune amendment #716: (Charitable Giving);
Not Agreed To: 48-49

114: Mikulski Motion to Table Vitter amendment #705: (ACORN);
Tabled: 53-43

Ensign amendment #690: , as modified; Agreed To by Unanimous Consent

Burr-Mikulski amendment #727: (Vulnerable Populations);
Agreed To by Voice Vote

Warner amendment #714: (Volunteer Management Corps);
Agreed to by Unanimous Consent

Mikulski-Enzi amendment #728: (Managers' technical amendments);
Agreed To by Unanimous Consent
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« Reply #356 on: March 26, 2009, 03:06:44 PM »

115: Now Voting: On passage of H.R.1388, as amended (60-vote threshold)

They are taking a vote to pass the bill as amended.

Roll is being called right now.

Considering that no one has dared speak against this bill, I can tell you what the result is going to be...
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« Reply #357 on: March 26, 2009, 03:31:33 PM »

115: On passage of H.R.1388, as amended (60-vote threshold); Passed: 78-20
Passed 78 to 20.

729. Named the 'Edward M. Kennedy service to America Act.'

(Clapping, endless clapping, by the Senate. Enough to make your stomach turn.)

Orrin Hatch got all choked up and emotional.

Yea, way to go selling out your country, you f**king asshat.
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« Reply #358 on: March 26, 2009, 03:37:22 PM »

thx
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« Reply #359 on: March 26, 2009, 03:38:28 PM »

Let me get it right...THAT'S IT?  It PASSED???
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