HR1388 (Expanding National Service)-Collateral for the Federal Reserve Debt

[Matthew]

From the New York times:

National Service Corps Bill Clears Senate Hurdle

"Following overwhelming House passage  last week, the Senate tonight voted 74 to 14 on a procedural move that essentially guarantees a major expansion of a national service corps..."

Another blog then posted this misleading headline:

GIVE Act Clears Senate!

http://futuremajority.com/node/5546


Spreading the rumor that this was completely passed by the senate and there are no more steps left in order to pass it will cause people to lay down and not call. So... call!

[911aware]

Glad this does not apply to me.

Jason

 of course it does, fool!  it affects everyone!

[TBPauly]

Right, it's essentially a test vote to see if 41 votes exist for a filibuster.

[CarolinaWildcat]

I can't pull this up.I am having trouble finding any information on this and am having a hard time convincing my husband.He figures he is a vietnam veteran so it shouldn't concern him.

NM.I found it.

[sociostudent]

Hey, check out page 198, line8 of H.R. 1388--
CALL TO SERVICE CAMPAIGN.—Not less than 180
 days after enactment of this Act, the Corporation shall con
duct a nationwide ‘Call To Service’ campaign, to encourage
 all people of the United States, regardless of age, race, eth
nicity, religion, or economic status, to engage in full- or
 part-time national service, long- or short-term public serv
ice in the nonprofit sector or government, or volunteering.
 In conducting the campaign, the Corporation may collabo
rate with other Federal agencies and entities, State Com
missions, Governors, nonprofit and faith-based organiza
tions, businesses, institutions of higher education, elemen
tary schools, and secondary schools.
 SEPTEMBER 11TH DAY OF SERVICE.—
 FEDERAL ACTIVITIES.—The Corporation
 may organize and carry out appropriate ceremonies
and activities, which may include activities that are
 part of the broader Call to Service Campaign, in
 order to observe September 11th National Day of
Service and Remembrance at the Federal level.
 ‘‘ ACTIVITIES.—The Corporation may make
 grants and provide other support to community-based
organizations to assist in planning and carrying out
 appropriate service, charity, and remembrance opportunities in conjunction with the September 11th National Day of Service and Remembrance.
 ‘‘ CONSULTATION.—The Corporation may
 consult with and make grants or provide other forms
 of support to nonprofit organizations with expertise
 in representing September 11th families and other
 impacted constituencies, in promoting the establish
ment of September 11th as an annually recognized
 National Day of Service and Remembrance.’’.

[StemCell]

H.R.1388
Title: To reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] (introduced 3/9/2009)      Cosponsors (37)
Related Bills: H.RES.250, S.277
Latest Major Action: 3/23/2009 Senate floor actions. Status: Cloture on the motion to proceed to the measure invoked in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 74 - 14. Record Vote Number: 108.
House Reports: 111-37SUMMARY AS OF:
3/9/2009--Introduced.

Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act or the GIVE Act - Amends the National and Community Service Act of 1990 (NSCA) and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973 (DVSA) to revise the programs under such Acts and reauthorize appropriations for such programs through FY2014.

Revises under NSCA: (1) the School-Based and Community-Based Service-Learning programs and Higher Education Innovative Programs for Community Service (Learn and Serve programs); (2) National Service Trust programs (AmeriCorps); (3) the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC); and (4) the Investment for Quality and Innovation program.

Eliminates the current Community-Based Learn and Serve programs.

Establishes two new Learn and Serve programs: (1) Campuses of Service, which provides funds to institutions of higher education to develop or disseminate exemplary service-learning programs that assist their students' pursuit of public service careers; and (2) Innovative Service-Learning Programs and Research, which funds community service-learning opportunities for elementary and secondary, college, and graduate students as well as research into service-learning.

Includes among eligible AmeriCorps programs: (1) an Education Corps to address unmet educational needs; (2) a Healthy Futures Corps to address unmet health needs; (3) a Clean Energy Corps to address unmet environmental needs; and (4) a Veterans Corps to address the unmet needs of veterans and their families.

Creates AmeriCorps Opportunity Corps programs that include certain existing programs and new programs to: (1) increase community access to technology; (2) engage citizens in public safety, health, and emergency preparedness services; (3) mentor youth; (4) reduce recidivism by re-engaging court-involved youth; and (5) support the needs of veterans or active duty service members and their families.

Establishes an Education Awards Only program authorizing the Corporation for National and Community Service (Corporation) to provide fixed-amount grants to programs that have approved national service positions, but no AmeriCorps funding.

Sets the National Service educational awards for full-time AmeriCorps, NCCC, and Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) participants at a level equal to the maximum available Pell Grant available to students under the Higher Education Act of 1965.

Includes among needs to be met under the NCCC program, disaster relief, infrastructure improvement, environmental and energy conservation, and urban and rural development.

Requires states to develop comprehensive plans for volunteer and paid service by Baby Boomers and older adults.

Directs the Corporation to plan pilot programs to: (1) better target and serve displaced workers; and (2) establish a centralized electronic citizenship verification system which would allow the Corporation to share employment eligibility information with the Department of Education.

Authorizes the Corporation to treat September 11th annually as a National Day of Service and Remembrance.

Establishes within the Investment for Quality and Innovation program: (1) a ServeAmerica Fellowships program providing fellowships to individuals chosen by states to participate in service projects addressing certain areas of national need; (2) a Silver Scholarship Grant Program providing scholarships to individuals age 55 or older who complete at least 500 hours of service in a year in an area of national need; and (3) an Encore Fellowships program providing one-year fellowships to individuals age 55 or older who serve in areas of national need and receive training to transition to public service employment. Makes ServeAmerica fellows eligible for national service educational awards.

Authorizes the Corporation to provide grants to innovative and model service programs, including those for disadvantaged youth, youth under age 17, and potential recidivists.

Eliminates federal funding for the Points of Light Foundation.

Revises under DVSA: (1) the VISTA program; and (2) the Senior Corps, including the Retired and Senior Volunteer program (RSVP), the Foster Grandparent program, and the Senior Companion program.

Gives priority in VISTA participant selection to disadvantaged youth and retired adults of any profession.

Authorizes new VISTA grant programs of national significance that provide poor and rural communities with: (1) services reintegrating formerly incarcerated individuals into society; (2) financial literacy and planning; (3) before-school and after-school services; (4) community economic development initiatives; (5) assistance to veterans and their families; and (6) health and wellness services. Eliminates the VISTA Literacy Corps, University Year for VISTA, and Literacy Challenge Grant programs.

Raises the minimum and maximum stipend provided to VISTA participants.

Prioritizes RSVP projects in specified areas.

Makes anyone 55 years of age or older eligible as Senior Corps volunteers.

Provides, under the Senior Corps demonstration program, incentive matching grants to Senior Corps programs that exceed specified performance measures, enroll most of their volunteers in outcome-based service programs, and increase their enrollment of Baby Boomer volunteers.

Expresses the sense of the Congress that the number of AmeriCorps, VISTA, and NCCC participants should reach 250,000 by 2014.

Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act - Establishes a Congressional Commission on Civic Service to provide recommendations to Congress on improving opportunities for individuals to volunteer or perform national service.

[gEEk squad]

The Democrats are now using 9/11 just like the Repubilcans did. What f**king hypocrites.

[sociostudent]

To get the general idea of what's about to happen, please watch this about 1 minute in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4XFbLtaCUg&feature=related

[Monkeypox]

the "cuter" they make the acronym, the worse the bill is (U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act, V.I.C.T.O.R.Y. act, G.I.V.E. act...)

They should just call it THE A.S.S.F.U.C.K. act.

[Elvis]

The Democrats are now using 9/11 just like the Repubilcans did. What ______ hypocrites.

 Which - the Demobilcans or the Repubocrats?

[Kain]

They should just call it THE A.S.S.F.U.C.K. act.

How about the Government Implementing Voluminous Eugenics act?

or maybe... Greedy Ignorant Vultures Exchange act.

Or perhaps... Government Imposed 'Vounteer' Enforcement act. (that's my favorite.)

or... as suggested by a friend of mine...

Godless Illuminati Vampiric Exchange act.

[Kain]

So... anyone know when the final vote for the G.I.V.E. (Government Imposed 'Volunteer' Enforcement) act is due?

[chrisfromchi]

So... anyone know when the final vote for the G.I.V.E. (Government Imposed 'Volunteer' Enforcement) act is due?

probably soon. this best link i got on it.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1388

Mar 23, 2009 5:45 PM   Senate   
On Cloture on the Motion to Proceed (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to H.R. 1388 )
Cloture on the Motion to Proceed Agreed to 74-14, 11 not voting (3/5 required)

[sociostudent]

I think they should have the vote soon. If not, I think they already secretly voted on it, so we'll all be picking our noses and arguing about whether or not it's gonna pass while they continue on with their plans. They love watching the peasants fight over the tidbits of news and legislation like dogs with a T-Bone steak, while they continue on stealing from us ($7.9 TRILLION and counting) and they have already bankrupt the country and made off with the loot (all the "elite" are GONE--THEY'RE OVERSEAS), and so I think they passed the "point of no return" around sept-dec. (completely tyrannical) and so they're gonna go all the way with this. Dictatorships and Oligarchies DON'T STOP THEIR CONQUEST. Throughout history, the only times that a tyrannical government has ended has been either:
1. the death of the ruler, king, or dictator who was tyrannical
and
2. when a 3rd party opponent defeats them (such as WWII with Hitler, according to the "establishment's story", anyway) or with the American Revolution is a good example. This type is EXTREMELY RARE. We were so blessed and had so much in this country because of the people who fought for our independence.

The biggest and most important difference in the sociopolitical structure in times past and today is that the good guys always had allies in the past. We have made a lot of enemies in the past 50 years, I'd say. Sane could probably elaborate.

I'm sad for my country today. I never thought we'd fall this far.

[chrisfromchi]

I wonder if Obama will alluded to this at the News conference tonight.

[Neco]

This seems to be the line in the sand to me.  I won't be a part of this. 

[sociostudent]

what time is it on at?

[Optimus]

what time is it on at?

Obama will hold a nationally televised news conference at 8 p.m. EDT. The event caps six days of appearances on national television and a trip to Southern California to press his economic plans.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-econ25-2009mar25,0,2925103.story?track=rss

[Neco]

I'll be tuning in. 

[plantop14]

This is total blatant tyranny, un-American comes nowhere close to describing this bullshit! I am not going to tolerate this tyranny when it comes to my door in person!!!!! We are getting closer and closer to the time when the line in the sand will be drawn, scary yes, very much so but I was born into this world (prison planet) a free and independent human and I will leave it in the same state!!!!! We are running out of time very fast to waking any more people up, they will have to get up to speed quickly and God willing that will happen!!!!

[lordssyndicate]

good one Neco.

We knew it was comming...
It was just a matter of when.

As we can see they have the congress ever so ready to pass this crap.. It's like they all just want to get it over with so they can run and hide like  the scared little rats they are.

[shy69iskrazy]

We need to go down fighting for this country like ourforefathers did.  We have 2 choices:  take this country back or coward and wish we were dead.

[Lilly Bighorn]

wow, alex really isn't kidding when he says he's a small rag-tag operation. he has a complete meltdown on the air over information that isn't even entirely accurate.

the thing is, if the senate version removed the section on "duties" that included compulsory service, then the bill has to go to a conference committee, where just about anything can be snuck in without anyone ever discovering who did it. that looks like the route this is going to take. i think a clear understanding of how a bill becomes a law would be a real asset to alex's efforts.

[Dig]

wow, alex really isn't kidding when he says he's a small rag-tag operation. he has a complete meltdown on the air over information that isn't even entirely accurate.

the thing is, if the senate version removed the section on "duties" that included compulsory service, then the bill has to go to a conference committee, where just about anything can be snuck in without anyone ever discovering who did it. that looks like the route this is going to take. i think a clear understanding of how a bill becomes a law would be a real asset to alex's efforts.

Yeah WTF? Alex is waaaaaay off, just like he was with the $10 Trillion traitorous bailout communist nationalization of banks bill that did exactly what the congressmen said it would do "spend only $700 Billion and make sure that everything goes through conference committees so there is no abuse of power".

Dude, wake up and smell the tyranny.

Let me introduce you to the vice-dictator of the USA for the last few decades (him and his bro Davey by the dancing monkey rule this country)...

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From an earlier post in this thread:

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This is a Federal Reserve Collateral Bill.

Just like the Federal Reserve Stock Holder Bailout Bill.

The Bailout Bill went to the stockholders of the federal reserve (Citibank, Bank of America, etc.).  These are not the true controllers of the federal reserve, they are Rockefeller/Rothschild/Beatrix.  The Bailout bill passed while 99.99% of the American people were against it.

Jay Rockefeller in Wednesday's Commerce Confirmation Hearing said the following:

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Senator (D-WV) John D. Rockefeller IV
[In refererence to his leaking of the finalization of the national service act]
Wednesday, March 18th, 2009
Commerce Secretary Confirmation Hearing:
[ http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=284704-1 ]

[...]

I just want to probe a little  more on cybersecurity because  when you say the current and the  past director of national  intelligence says the number one  national security threat, that  is a show-stopper, and people  don't believe it. 
Business doesn't believe it. 
The big ones do and they're  trying to do something about it. 
You mentioned NIST. 
Several thoughts come to mind. 
They set the standards for all this. 
I remember when i'd been on this  committee about two years, now  been on it 24 years. 
I went out out to nist and they  said they hadn't seen a senator  there in five years it raises a  couple of questions for me. 
Number one, your scope is so broad. 
I mean, recently West Virginia  is not exactly famed for its  ocean capacity, but on the other  hand the port of Huntington is the 7th largest operating port in the United States of America,  including Baltimore and Los Angeles and all the rest of  them. 
Because of the Ohio river. 
And the coast guard has become a  matter of enormous interest to  me in protecting the power plants and chemical plants, et cetera, up and down the Ohio river which back up to the river  because they need to water. 
There aren't enough coast guard  boats, speed boats with gun capacity out there to make any  real significant difference. 
So, one of the problems i think  in the commerce department is that there are so many agencies  that do such crucial work that  don't get attention, and it --  two things occur to me, number one, obviously, NIST  relationship to cybersecurity. 
What -- how does one fully  describe it? 
And secondly, keeping good  people. 
I'm not sure -- i mean, i think  here's an enormous surge of public commitment to national service. 
We're going to pass the national service bill. 
The president wants one. 
I think most of us do. 
I was on the list of volunteers. 
But the desire for national  security is enormous,
but it tends to be in the under 50 group or
the under 40 group,
and the professionals who work in key positions at the places like NIST,
which has been flat-line  budgeted for a number of years,  keeping them, keeping the people who can help us formulate a  policy on cybersecurity, is incredibly important and one of  the things i worry about across  government is keeping our very best people, that way will come  to feel there's too much and  they -- after some sort of false starts, the bar now for being allowed to serve in government in a high position is so high that i think it's actively discouraging people from wanting to participate. 
People are looking for reasons  not to serve in government, even  though their instinct is to  serve in government because they  have a new sense of commitment  to the nation and their obligation to the nation. 
So these things clash.

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John D. Rockefeller IV has said to the American people that this is a done deal and it will target the brain trust of this country.

Here it is again:

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We're going to pass the national service bill. The president wants one. I think most of us do. I was on the list of volunteers. But the desire for national  security is enormous, but it tends to be in the under 50 group or the under 40 group, and the professionals who work in key positions at the places like NIST.

[Optimus]

I just thought of something.

March 23, 2009: Senate Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to H.R. 1388 (National slavery act)

March 23, 1775: Patrick Henry Delivers his "Give me liberty or give me death!" speech
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/March/On-This-Day--Patrick-Henry-Delivers-Liberty-or-Death-Speech.html

Are these psycopaths f**king with our minds?!

[Dig]

I just thought of something.

March 23, 2009: Senate Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to H.R. 1388 (National slavery act)

March 23, 1775: Patrick Henry Delivers his "Give me liberty or give me death!" speech
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/March/On-This-Day--Patrick-Henry-Delivers-Liberty-or-Death-Speech.html

Are these psycopaths f**king with our minds?!

well maybe, but the whole date thing is a spiral to la la land IMO (except maybe for some obvious ones).  just keep your eyes on the true gencoidal maniacs like Jay and his bro.

Unless a Rothschild or Beatrix shoots a baby in the face on live TV, I would keep focused on what Jay's clear case of dementia is making him do.

[shy69iskrazy]

Route 24 that was brilliant!
Patrick Henry said,
“It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

Henry’s speech is credited for inspiring the delegates to take up arms against the British. On the same day as his speech, the Provincial Congress of Virginia passed a resolution creating a militia for self-defense.

[Lilly Bighorn]

sane, i didn't say alex was waaay off, just... off. he used the "fact" the bill had "passed" to jump to all other kinds of conclusions, such as that congress was a bunch of whores. that airtime might have been used to explain the committee conference process and how everyone should get the word out so the secret tactic gets exposed. i don't deny the tyranny, but frankly, for all his use of "documentation," alex is nowhere near the journalistic standards of the professionals. but at least he'll try to cover the stories that matter. hey, i'm a listener. i just get bored of the hyperbole and would like to hear something resembling the reality on the ground.

[shy69iskrazy]

Why can't we just fire these assholes?  I'd like to write them up pink slips and tell them they're laid off or their jobs have been outsourced.  End the Fed.

[Dig]

sane, i didn't say alex was waaay off, just... off. he used the "fact" the bill had "passed" to jump to all other kinds of conclusions, such as that congress was a bunch of whores. that airtime might have been used to explain the committee conference process and how everyone should get the word out so the secret tactic gets exposed. i don't deny the tyranny, but frankly, for all his use of "documentation," alex is nowhere near the journalistic standards of the professionals. but at least he'll try to cover the stories that matter. hey, i'm a listener. i just get bored of the hyperbole and would like to hear something resembling the reality on the ground.

congress is a bunch of whores...check

here is the process...John D. Rockefeller says it and then it is done. These are tyranny edicts, they are not legal legislation.  it is a complete fraud. there is absolutely nothing in the constitution that gives them the justification.  congress shall create legislation within the confines of the constitution.  for example, they could make a bill and pass it that says you need to throw your babies out of windows.  Does it make it a legal piece of legislation?  I am hoping that you are saying no to yourself.  so the process could have been explained, but really, just look at the light speed legislation going on, it is totally insane.  i mean that these bills are even presented is such a slap in the face of the foundation of liberty, freedom, democratic process, goodwill, ethics, integrity, morals, decency, etc. People need to wake up that congress is a mouthpiece for the federal reserve private dictators.  the sooner we understand that, the quicker we can focus on how illegal the federal reserve private bank is. 

anyway, that is my opinion. we need to focus onm the federal reserve, the congress just approved $10 Trillion of debt in one year and now they want more.

The congress failed to impeach bush, investigate torture, investigate 9/11, investigate illegal wars, investigate secrecy, investigate rendition, investigate surveillance.

what exactly do you think they have the power to do?  the private federal reserve is the wizard behind the curtain.  Rockefeller/Rothschild/Beatrix command it and the puppets spin into action.

don't you think it was time that congress was exposed as just a bunch of whores?

[911aware]

well, me personally, i got a little fired up over this..no a bit freaked out.  13th amendment being thrown down the crapper, basically, if it makes it into law with any kind of compulsory service.  i told people in the office about it passing the senate, but I would like to get confirmation on this of course.  I would be pissed if this was a false start. On the other hand, if it passed the house that easily, then i cant see why it wouldn't pass the senate.

[shy69iskrazy]

That language is found now in H.R. 1444
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1444:

Section 4 - Duties

B - (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

I think that's it

....Somebody on the American Daily Review posted to give attention to HR 1444
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1444/text
(1) The level of understanding about the current Federal, State, and local volunteer programs and opportunities for service among individuals in the United States.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



(2) The issues that deter volunteerism and national service, particularly among young people, and how the identified issues can be overcome.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



(3) Whether there is an appropriate role for Federal, State, and local governments in overcoming the issues that deter volunteerism and national service and, if appropriate, how to expand the relationships and partnerships between different levels of government in promoting volunteerism and national service.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



(4) Whether existing databases are effective in matching community needs to would-be volunteers and service providers.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



1(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



( The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for primary and secondary school students and by raising awareness of existing incentives.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



(10) The effect on United States diplomacy and foreign policy interests of expanding service opportunities abroad, such as the Peace Corps, and the degree of need and capacity abroad for an expansion.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



(11) The constraints that service providers, nonprofit organizations, and State and local agencies face in utilizing federally funded volunteer programs, and how these constraints can be overcome.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



(12) Whether current Federal volunteer programs are suited to address the special skills and needs of senior volunteers, and if not, how these programs can be improved such that the Federal government can effectively promote service among the ‘baby boomer’ generation.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



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[Nailer]

I just fired this Email off to dickhead traitor Durbin in Illinois.


Mr. Durbin  you have betrayed and shamed the people of Illinois by your vote of Yes/Yea  on  HR 1388.

When you took office you took a oath to uphold and protect the US Constitution, do you remember that?

HR 1388 is blatantly  anti First amendment and srves only communist Ideals.

Here is what you and all those who voted in favor of HR 1388 deserve.

Samuel Adams was a true American who cared about the people  unlike the elected officials of today who take bribes  as greed has taken over  .

If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams




oh here is dickheads site if you want to leave him a love note / comment.

http://durbin.senate.gov/

[chris jones]

Hey S.

I give you 100 cheers for your tenacity,endurance,and your commitment to freedom.

Afterall freedom is truths blood line. This site is on a roll!!!!!!!!!!

The family is growing.................CJ

[Lilly Bighorn]

sane, this isn't about whether congress is a bunch of whores or not. it's about people on this site or listening to the show not knowing whether the bill has passed the senate or not. it's about patriots ready to lay down their life and not knowing what a cloture vote is before today. i'm just saying a little more education and a little less blowhard would be beneficial.

[xTruthSeekerx]

congress IS a group of lying whores all except for a few other than that they will bend over just to keep their jobs

[Nailer]

sane, this isn't about whether congress is a bunch of whores or not. it's about people on this site or listening to the show not knowing whether the bill has passed the senate or not. it's about patriots ready to lay down their life and not knowing what a cloture vote is before today. i'm just saying a little more education and a little less blowhard would be beneficial.

UH wrong again .  If Congress believed in and upheld the US Constitution then it would have been trashed and discarded immediately.  Congress has become communist loving bafoons  since obama has come before them.

Congress cares not for the people any longer  as it has become a agency of tyrants who want subjects not citizens. A citizens has rights  , a subject  is controlled and quietly does as told.

[Kain]

sane, i didn't say alex was waaay off, just... off. he used the "fact" the bill had "passed" to jump to all other kinds of conclusions, such as that congress was a bunch of whores.

You mean Congress ISN'T a bunch of whores? Goddamnit, I just lost a $20 bet!

*sulks*

I think 'whores' in the sense that they sell their services for money is pretty gorram accurate. And yes, that IS the crux of the matter. If Congress WASN'T a bunch of whores, and were doing it's JOB, our country wouldn't be so much in the crapper, and we wouldn't be HAVING this f**king conversation, now would we?

[Lilly Bighorn]

nailer, you're welcome to your opinion, but point out where i was wrong if you're going to accuse me.

as for congress being a bunch of whores -- that's exactly the way it was intended to be, especially the house. because they're up for re-election every two years, they have to mind what is popular and politically viable. if they've gone waaay to the left since obama's been elected it's because they see he has huge popular support, and are acting accordingly. alex has the right idea in trying to expose obama, and trying to turn the tide of public opinion. and the only point i ever made is that it would be a lot more persuasive if people were knowledgeable and articulate and had correct facts, that slip ups like today are regrettable, and the general ignorance of the process, even amongst professed patriots, is sad.

[911aware]

i would also like to shake my finger at waterboy2go.   where did those numbers come from?  

i noticed the numbers on the infowars site from paul watson.

senate.gov says they haven't voted.   this is a false start im guessing.  price to pay for being on the edge of truth.