HR1388 (Expanding National Service)-Collateral for the Federal Reserve Debt

[Libertarian Perspective]

I think people still care, we need to expose that their legislation doesn't mean anything since pieceses like The Magna Carta, American Constitution and the British Bill Of Rights 1689 are the only law of the land, not some Merchant Kangaroo civil statutes. Don't worry peopel, Obama didn't pass anything yesterday, just a piece of commerce legislation. 

[TahoeBlue]

Isn't interesting that, something so important, has been a boob-toob news blackout over this? 

[Satyagraha]

Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Educa...
-- Vote No. 108 voted on 03/23/2009. Chamber: S.

By 74 yeas to 14 nays (Vote No. 108), three-fifths of those Senators duly chosen and sworn, having voted in the affirmative, Senate agreed to the motion a procedural vote to move forward with the bill.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/votes/?votenum=108&chamber=S&congress=1111

[Kain]

They count on your silent, obedient, uninformed consent.

[37]

 

   Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing.

[lotusofblack]

I think this part is the most disturbing of this bill, what's prohibited when you're drafted,

‘SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.
‘(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:
‘(1) Attempting to influence legislation.
‘(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.
‘(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring union organizing.
‘(4) Impairing existing contracts for services or collective bargaining agreements.
‘(5) Engaging in partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office.
‘(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events or activities that are likely to include advocacy for or against political parties, political platforms, political candidates, proposed legislation, or elected officials.
‘(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.


Thats right, want freedom of speech or freedom of religion? Too bad. Those won't be allowed. Gee, how long until we hear, Sig Heil?!

[Matthew]

I don't believe this was a vote to pass the act. Rather a vote to move forward to the next step. More voting.

[TheHouseMan]

Nazism is being made legal in the US as we speak. They're attacking at all fronts.

[1776blues]

Serve America Act

http://thenewservice.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/serveamericaactcloture/#more-2340

Update on Senate Discussion of the Serve America Act
March 23, 2009 — Amy Potthast

In the Senate today, discussion got underway on the Serve America Act.

60 Senators are usually needed to vote “cloture” to allow discussion on a bill. According to Alan Khazei of Be The Change, Inc., and Service Nation, 74 Senators voted cloture, “an extremely strong bi-partisan vote, with 22 Republicans joining 50 Democrats and 2 Independents voting in favor.”

To find out if your Senators voted to allow the Serve America bill to proceed, check out this list of “Yea” voters: Read the rest of this entry

[Kain]

Discussion here:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=94025.0

[gEEk squad]

How come I can't find Section 6104 anymore?

Its the section where it said "reasonable mandatory service"

Did they get rid of it during the amendment process?

[37]

I don't believe this was a vote to pass the act. Rather a vote to move forward to the next step. More voting.

You're right.  

But look at how overwhelmingly it passed that vote.

74-14

[gEEk squad]

It didn't pass yet, a vote for cloture is to end debating it. It means that they are about to pass it. 

[Optimus]

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 111th Congress - 1st Session
http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00108
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On Cloture on the Motion to Proceed (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to H.R. 1388 ) 
Vote Number:  108 Vote Date:  March 23, 2009, 05:45 PM
Required For Majority:  3/5 Vote Result:  Cloture on the Motion to Proceed Agreed to
Measure Number:  H.R. 1388 (GIVE Act )
Measure Title:  A bill to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
Vote Counts: YEAs 74
 NAYs 14
 Not Voting 11
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Not Voting
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Not Voting
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Burris (D-IL), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Not Voting
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
 Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Enzi (R-WY), Not Voting
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagan (D-NC), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Not Voting
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Not Voting
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johanns (R-NE), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kaufman (D-DE), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Not Voting
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Not Voting
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
 McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Merkley (D-OR), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Not Voting
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Not Voting
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Not Voting
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea 

[uwaf]

This PUSSY Congress were probably threatened with drafting their relatives.

[Kain]

It didn't pass yet, a vote for cloture is to end debating it. It means that they are about to pass it. 

Cloture is a term used to stop debating something and move to the next stage. In this case, most likely an actual vote.

An actual vote is very near, and it will also pass hands down, as the vote for cloture did.

[Neco]

I called my Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson and told her we now know who's side she is on and it is not of the people's...

[1776blues]

Notice that McCain voted for this. I am not sure if it is a good sign in my state, Boxer did not vote. I'd rather see her not voting for it, but I will not hold my breath, as her and Feinstein routinely vote against the Constitution as well as other tyrannical acts/bills

[gEEk squad]

Notice that McCain voted for this. I am not sure if it is a good sign in my state, Boxer did not vote. I'd rather see her not voting for it, but I will not hold my breath, as her and Feinstein routinely vote against the Constitution as well as other tyrannical acts/bills

McCain and Obama were both for national service. There was a forum at Columbia University during the campaign where both said they were strengthen national service programs.

[Satyagraha]

We need to phonecall/email/and shout it out to our reps ....

then we need to kick their butts out of congress in the next election.

[Jonathan Oldstyle]

My god...

[rawiron1]

Glad this does not apply to me.

Jason

[1776blues]

McCain and Obama were both for national service. There was a forum at Columbia University during the campaign where both said they were strengthen national service programs.

I thought he was! Just wanted to point this out! Thanks for the info.

[gEEk squad]

Section 6104, which had the language for mandatory service is no longer in the bill.

It was taken out sometime before it was voted on by the House as far as I can tell. It doesn't show up in any of the versions I can find on thomas, opencongress or govtrack.

[xopatriot]

If it has not passed and it's not law then someone let alex know or he will have a heart attack!

[Waterboy2go]

Section 6104, which had the language for mandatory service is no longer in the bill.

It was taken out sometime before it was voted on by the House as far as I can tell. It doesn't show up in any of the versions I can find on thomas, opencongress or govtrack.

Didn't someone post that it was switched into another bill?

[changedname]

" Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing."

Of course they will need this to pass so that they can at least stop those nasty protesters from protesting the Federal Reserve Bank! After all they do control here right?

[IridiumKEPfactor]

I don't think they voted to pass it I think they vote to proceed to hear it.


Question: On Cloture on the Motion to Proceed (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to H.R. 1388 )


Floor Schedule 


Tuesday, Mar 24, 2009

10:00 a.m.: Convene and begin a period of morning business.

Thereafter, resume consideration of the motion to proceed to H.R.1388, the National Service bill.



http://senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/d_three_sections_with_teasers/calendars.htm

[Bible Student]

FYI...

From Gary D. Bass of ombwatch@ombwatch.org :

"March 24, 2009

...contact your senators to urge them to oppose any attempt to include language like the Foxx amendment in S. 277. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s277/show  Today, we have an in-depth analysis of the Foxx amendment and its severe ramifications for the nonprofit sector. This analysis can be a powerful tool when calling your senators or to get more nonprofits' support.
http://www.ombwatch.org/files/npadv/foxxamendmentanalysis032409.pdf

The House-passed version of the bill, the GIVE Act (H.R. 1388 http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1388/show), includes a "poison pill" amendment sponsored by Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC) that would have far-reaching, negative consequences for nonprofit advocacy. The amendment contains outrageous language that restricts National Service fund recipients from attempting to influence legislation, or participate in or endorse events that either support or oppose legislation. Volunteers under AmeriCorps would also be restricted apparently even on their personal time from engaging in lobbying, petitions, protests, boycotts, or strikes, union organizing, engaging in partisan political activities, and voter registration drives.

...Tell your senators to oppose any attempt to include language like the Foxx amendment in S. 277:
https://secure3.convio.net/ombw/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=215

The First Amendment protects against speech restrictions, such as those in the Foxx amendment. While the Foxx amendment appears to be unconstitutional, we cannot wait for lawsuits and court decisions to protect the rights of nonprofits and their constituents. We must act now!

Please contact your senators immediately and tell them to oppose any attempt to include language like the Foxx amendment in S. 277. [See URLs below] to send an e-mail to your senators (with a copy to the White House), or call you senators immediately (Capitol Switchboard: (202) 224-3121).

The Senate is poised to move quickly on this legislation — action on the bill could occur early this week. Read our analysis of the Foxx amendment here, then act quickly!"

[gEEk squad]

Didn't someone post that it was switched into another bill?

I never saw that. If that is true then I'd like to see that.

[IridiumKEPfactor]

I never saw that. If that is true then I'd like to see that.

Look for S277

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:S277:

S.277
Title: A bill to amend the National and Community Service Act of 1990 to expand and improve opportunities for service, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] (introduced 1/16/2009)      Cosponsors (37)
Related Bills: H.R.1388
Latest Major Action: 3/18/2009 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 34.

[Waterboy2go]

That language is found now in H.R. 1444
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1444:

Section 4 - Duties

B - (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

I think that's it

[scary]

DID THIS BILL PASS THE SENATE OR NOT, I'VE JUST CALLED PEOPLE, AND IF THIS IS WRONG, I LOOK LIKE A BIG RETARD.

[Matthew]

Alex needs to be made aware that this has not actually passed yet immediately so he can alert listeners to call their senators. We still have a shot at getting this shot down. No one will call if they think it's already passed.

[IridiumKEPfactor]

Currently Active
Bills that may receive floor action this week.

Senate chamber
National service, expand programs S.277 H.R.1388

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/b_three_sections_with_teasers/active_leg_page.htm

[scary]

WHY PASSED HERE?

http://www.stoptheliberalsnow.com/archives/902


http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1388/show

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2210006/posts

[CarolinaWildcat]

A new amendment just added to H.R. 1388 - the "mandatory service" one. It was just added and voice-voted in at 4:40 today by Rep George Miller. Here is the Text: "Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing

H R 1388 info here- http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.01388:

I can't pull this up.I am having trouble finding any information on this and am having a hard time convincing my husband.He figures he is a vietnam veteran so it shouldn't concern him.

[Aerioch]

Are you kidding me? 

The bill mandates that all American "Youth" Citizens take part in the program, and then makes it illegal for these very same "Forced Volunteers" to peacefully protest, or even organize in groups to address political issues of concern?

It should be labeled "The Shut Up, and Serve as Silent Slaves Act."

[Captain Obvious]

the "cuter" they make the acronym, the worse the bill is (U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act, V.I.C.T.O.R.Y. act, G.I.V.E. act...)

[IridiumKEPfactor]

Motion to Proceed

A Motion to Proceed seeks to bring a bill to the Senate floor for debate and amendment.
Senators often debate the merits of the pending bill during the debate on the Motion to Proceed.

Motions to Proceed are fully debatable, and therefore can be filibustered.

A Motion to Proceed requires a majority vote for adoption. If it is filibustered, it requires a 3/5 vote.



"A motion to invoke cloture means that the Senate is being asked to end the debate and vote on the matter, whether its a motion, a bill, or resolution"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloture

It has not pass the Senate BUT IT IS VERY CLOSE TO BEING VOTED ON IN THE SENATE.