HR1388 (Expanding National Service)-Collateral for the Federal Reserve Debt

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Does anyone have a list of yea and nay votes? This information will be vital in a re-election situation, although I suspect that we may never reach the point of re-election for most of these positions. Any take on analysis of constitutionallity of H R 1388?

YES- it is in the call your senator sticky at the top of general discussion forum

[Enigma]

This is scary. "Organization" can be a very loose term. They could say any rights group or protest group an organization and probably get away with it. It seems like something they can twist around. Though they are not saying directly anything about the people, which is only protected by our 1st amendment right, or their freedom to rebel about something or talk freely. On paper this is totally legal in every way.

Well, this sucks.....

Definition of Organization:

# a group of people who work together
# arrangement: an organized structure for arranging or classifying; "he changed the arrangement of the topics"; "the facts were familiar but it was in the organization of them that he was original"; "he tried to understand their system of classification"
# administration: the persons (or committees or departments etc.) who make up a body for the purpose of administering something; "he claims that the present administration is corrupt"; "the governance of an association is responsible to its members"; "he quickly became recognized as a member of ... 

[Unintelligable Name]

Bump again.

This is completely outrageous!

If it does indeed pass and we can't stop it -- I'll be damned if I'm going to follow their bullshit laws.

[scoffer]

Bump again.

This is completely outrageous!

If it does indeed pass and we can't stop it -- I'll be damned if I'm going to follow their bullshit laws.

If it does pass we can consider it complete confirmation that our government has been hijacked. The Mormons require mandatory volunteerism, but at least the potential missionaries have a choice as to whether they will exit the church.

[gEEk squad]

It sounds like they are saying that any of the service organizations can't protest, not independent organizations in general. So if you are from Americorps, Greencorps or any corps sponsored by the government then you are prohibited from those actions. That is how I interpret it. It doesn't seem to be as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

[Flur]

Here's a full list of Amendments to HR 1388

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/L?d111:./temp/~bdahI2u:1[1-12](Amendments_For_H.R.1388)&./temp/~bdv83K

I'm so f**kING UPSET with these assholes who think they can do this shit and nobody will notice.  

[Flur]

It sounds like they are saying that any of the service organizations can't protest, not independent organizations in general. So if you are from Americorps, Greencorps or any corps sponsored by the government then you are prohibited from those actions. That is how I interpret it. It doesn't seem to be as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

Hmm.. could be.  They usually define the terms toward the beginning of each bill.  Anyone wanna have a look through and see if "organzations" is specifically defined?

[Unintelligable Name]

Hmm.. could be.  They usually define the terms toward the beginning of each bill.  Anyone wanna have a look through and see if "organzations" is specifically defined?

Does it matter?

NO RESISTRICTIONS ON THE ABILITY TO PROTEST AND PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE, PETITION, AND BOYCOTT.

That's the bill that should be in the f**king Senate in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!

Not this NAZI pile of crap!

Goddamnit this is just insane!

[Libertarian Perspective]

I agree, people in America need to ake up and not let this bill pass if it does then I think it's time to get out the guns.

[independentWV]

Petition with 500 signatures against National Service bill sign please

http://www.petitiononline.com/no1388/petition.html

[stymo1]

Petition with 500 signatures against National Service bill sign please

http://www.petitiononline.com/no1388/petition.html

Do you have one for the Senate?
The House passed this one Wednesday.

[independentWV]

Do you have one for the Senate?
The House passed this one Wednesday.

I understand this petition is going to Senate. You are right in pointing this out it needs to say that.

[Dig]

This is not a National Service Bill

This is a contractual agreement between international bankers

Rockefeller/Rothschild/Beatrix

to use American Citizens as collateral

for the Federal Reserve debt creations

THAT IS WHY IT IS PUSHED BEFORE THE G20!!!!!!!!!!!

READ THE BILL IT IS A CONTRACT IDENTIFYING COLLATERAL ON DEBT!!!!

THIS IS A BILL IDENTIFYING THE COLLATERAL...ALL OF US!!!!

[Unintelligable Name]

Uhhhh didn't they already do that with social security?

I guess this is to sweep in all the folks who don't have social security and are between 18 and 25.

[Dig]

Uhhhh didn't they already do that with social security?

I guess this is to sweep in all the folks who don't have social security and are between 18 and 25.

Social Security

Medicare

Income Tax

Corporate Tax

And now....

Mandatory Servitude!

[Unintelligable Name]

No I mean wasn't social security set up to include a clause or section that if the United States ever defaulted on it's debt [or something like that] the population would be subject to forced labor for a foreign country to pay back the debt?

Something like that I heard it 5 years ago once from a lizard people believer -- I trust his information though he was of execptional intelligence -- minus the whole lizard thing.

[Dig]

No I mean wasn't social security set up to include a clause or section that if the United States ever defaulted on it's debt [or something like that] the population would be subject to forced labor for a foreign country to pay back the debt?

Something like that I heard it 5 years ago once from a lizard people believer -- I trust his information though he was of execptional intelligence -- minus the whole lizard thing.

Wayne Paul said on TOD that the taxation of the citizens via the social security numbers was collateral on the debt created by international bankers.

[Unintelligable Name]

Wayne Paul said on TOD that the taxation of the citizens via the social security numbers was collateral on the debt created by international bankers.

Certainly wasn't that. I'm speaking to another monster. I will search online to see if anyone has ever mentioned it.

[Unintelligable Name]

Oh just re-found this:

There are so many shitty websites that bog down my quad core 4 gig PC it's just insane...

President-Elect Obama Suggests Defaulting on the National Debt

Posted January 7, 2009 | 08:49 PM (EST

President-elect Obama apparently believes that the crisis brought on by the collapse of the housing bubble will require defaulting on the national debt. The New York Times reported today that Obama believes that "changes in Social Security and Medicare will be central to efforts to bring federal spending in line."

While Medicare is projected to face shortfalls because of the incredible inefficiency of the U.S. health care system, the Congressional Budget Office projects that Social Security will be fully funded until 2049 from its own stream of tax revenues and the U.S. bonds it holds.

If Mr. Obama plans to cut Social Security in the near future, then this effectively amounts to a default on the bonds held by the trust fund which were purchased with workers' Social Security taxes. If the budget situation is so dire that it is necessary to default on the government debt, then surely we should be considering defaulting on the bonds held by Robert Rubin, Peter Peterson, and other wealthy bankers, not just the bonds that were bought to pay Social Security benefits for the country's workers

[bushido_aria]

Wayne Paul said on TOD that the taxation of the citizens via the social security numbers was collateral on the debt created by international bankers.

Yeah, except with the "bailouts" this would make not only our labor, but our children's grandchildren's labor (with all the generations in between) the collateral on the debt. That's not including the interest on that large sum (which will never be repayable). This is the final cycle of the old "capitalist" system. People have got to realize that there are no more places for the current form of "capitalism" to go, and that this is the last collateralization they will do--because is guarantees the enslavement of at least 4 generations to be under total control, which should be sufficient to give them their desired utopia of god-hood over the rest of humanity. I really hate these internationalist banker bastards.

[Jackson Holly]

Barefoot's World

http://www.barefootsworld.net/

This is one GREAT patriot site, with tons and tons of info. Please check it out ... an excellent reference and a good one to use to turn on skeptics, because it is also very HUMAN and a lot of fun as well.

Barefoot died recently, but lucky for us his exhaustive site is still being maintained.

This page has a discussion of the use of we US citizens as banking collateral ... there are other such pages on the site. It is too long to post in total ... here are some excerpts.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/constructive_fraud.html

The Rape of We The People and
The Constitution For The United States

EXCERPTS:

1. The United States went "Bankrupt" in 1933 and was declared so by President Roosevelt by Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111, and 6260, (See: Senate Report 93-549, pages 187 & 594) under the "Trading With The Enemy Act" (Sixty-Fifth Congress, Sess. I, Chs. 105, 106, October 6, 1917), and as codified at 12 U.S.C.A. 95a.

2. The several States of the Union then pledged the faith and credit thereof to the aid of the National Government, and formed numerous committees, such as the "Council of State Governments", "Social Security Administration", etc., to purportedly deal with the contrived economic "Emergency" caused by the bankruptcy. These Organizations operated under the "Declaration of Interdependence" of January 22, 1937, and published some of their activities in " Book Of The States."

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5. The Reorganization of the bankruptcy is located in Title 5 of United States Codes Annotated. The "Explanation" at the beginning of 5 U.S.C.A. is most informative reading. The "Secretary of Treasury" was appointed as the "Receiver" in Bankruptcy. (See: Reorganization Plan No. 26, 5 U.S.C.A. 903, Public Law 94-564, Legislative History, pg. 5967) Since a bankrupt loses control over his business, this appointment to the "Office of Receiver" in bankruptcy had to have been made by the "creditors" who are "foreign powers or principals".

6. The United States as Corporator, (22 U.S.C.A. 286E, et seq.) and "State" (C.R.S. 24-36- 104, C.R.S. 24-60-1301(h)) had declared "Insolvency." (See: 26 I.R.C. 165(g)(1), U.C.C. 1-201(23), C.R.S. 39-22--103.5, Westfall vs. Braley, 10 Ohio 188, 75 Am. Dec. 509, Adams vs. Richardson, 337 S.W. 2d 911; Ward vs. Smith, 7 Wall. 447) A permanent state of "Emergency" was instituted, formed and erected within the Union through the contrivance, fraud and avarice of the International Financial Institutions, Organizations, Corporations and Associations, including the Federal Reserve, their "fiscal and depository agent" -- whose member banks are "privately owned corporations". 22 U.S.C.A. 286d

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THE BANKRUPTCY HAS NEVER ENDED!

8. On March 17, 1993, on page 1303 of Volume 33 of the Congressional Record, Congressman Traficant stated:

    "Mr. Speaker, We are now here in Chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government."

9. This is an amazing confession as it applies, not only to "Members of Congress," but also to the Secretary of the Treasury as the "Receiver in bankruptcy" and to all state and federal "officials" who act under the de facto authority of that bankrupt Foreign Corporation known as the United States as trustees (foreign agents) for foreign principals. Trustees work for the creditors of a bankruptcy and are agents for foreign principals. In this case the creditors are the Federal Reserve Banks, the International Monetary Fund (the Fund) and the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (the Bank). (see: Who Is Running America?)

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13. On March 6, 1933 the federal government got the Conference of Governors to pledge the faith and credit of the several States of the Union and their citizenry to the aid of the National Government, (see pp. 18 - 24 of The Public Papers And Addresses of Franklin Roosevelt, Volume II, The Year Of Crisis, March 6, 1933) for what they openly admitted to doing. They encouraged the President to ask for and use extra-constitutional powers during the "emergency" that continues to this day.

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14. This property, the faith and credit of the citizenry of the several States, was the collateral accepted by the creditors (foreign principals) so the federal government could borrow more Federal Reserve Notes (private bank credit) and keep operating under reorganization. Roosevelt issued Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and 6260 within days of his inauguration Mar 4, 1933.

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16. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens. The several States were seduced into the new policy in 1939, with Roosevelt's promise of federal grants-in-aid. Federal Revenue Sharing (31 U.S.C. ( 6700 et seq.) is the modern version of the grants-in-aid program. In return for these grants, the states would agree to uphold and maintain the pledge of life, labor and property of their respective citizenry as surety for the debt obligations of the Federal government. The politicians of these respective states gladly complied, because they viewed this as an opportunity to increase their own political power, letting the next generation of office holders worry over the long term consequences of their acts.

[Sasha]

I hope you don't mind, but I stole your letter.

Those in California--copy and paste to forms linked below. NO EXCUSES!!!

Feinstein: http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe
Boxer: http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm

I realize that Boxer and Feinstein are already bought and paid for, but the point is you are heard in number, even if they don't listen to you. Show how RIDICULOUS it is that they go against 95% of the people they represent. DO it NOW.

feel free.   

[jofortruth]

Congressional Record gives a little more detail:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2009_record&page=H3607&position=all
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r111:1:./temp/~r111GbV9Rz:e117872:

SEC. 1304. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE
ORGANIZATIONS.

Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:

‘‘SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE
ORGANIZATIONS.

‘‘(a) PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES.—A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

‘‘(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

‘‘(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

‘‘(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring union organizing.

‘‘(4) Impairing existing contracts for services or collective bargaining agreements.

‘‘(5) Engaging in partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office.

‘‘(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events or activities that are likely to include advocacy for or against political parties, political platforms, political candidates, proposed legislation, or elected officials.

‘‘(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.

‘‘ Providing a direct benefit to— ‘‘(A) a business organized for profit; ‘‘(B) a labor organization; ‘‘(C) a partisan political organization; ‘‘(D) a nonprofit organization that fails to comply with the restrictions contained in section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 except that nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent participants from engaging in advocacy activities undertaken at their own initiative; and ‘‘(E) an organization engaged in the religious activities described in paragraph (7), unless Corporation assistance is not used to support those religious activities.

‘‘(9) Conducting a voter registration drive or using Corporation funds to conduct a voter registration drive.

‘‘(10) Such other activities as the Corporation may prohibit.

‘‘(b) INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.—No assistance provided under this subtitle may be provided to the following types of organizations (including the participation of a participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle in activities conducted by such organizations) or to organizations that are co-located on the same premises as the following organizations:

‘‘(1) Organizations that provide or promote abortion services, including referral for such services.

‘‘(2) For-profit organizations, political parties, labor organizations, or organizations engaged in political or legislative advocacy.

‘‘(3) Organizations that have been indicted for voter fraud.

‘‘(c) NONDISPLACEMENT OF EMPLOYED WORKERS OR OTHER VOLUNTEERS.—A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not perform any services or duties or engage in activities which—

‘‘(1) would otherwise be performed by an employed worker as part of his or her assigned duties as an employee or by another volunteer who is not a participant in an approved national service position; or

‘‘(2) will supplant the hiring of employed workers or work of such other volunteers.’’ Amend the table of contents in section 1(b) by striking the item relating to section 1304 and inserting the following:

Sec. 1304. Prohibited activities and ineligible organizations. Amend the table of contents of the National and Community Service Act of 1990 (as proposed to be amended by section 4101 of the bill) by striking the item relating to section 125 and inserting the following:
‘‘Sec. 125. Prohibited activities and ineligible organizations.’’

Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California (during the reading). Madam Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the amendment be considered as read.

[White Rose Sophie]

Barefoot's World

http://www.barefootsworld.net/

This is one GREAT patriot site, with tons and tons of info. Please check it out ... an excellent reference and a good one to use to turn on skeptics, because it is also very HUMAN and a lot of fun as well.

Barefoot died recently, but lucky for us his exhaustive site is still being maintained.

This page has a discussion of the use of we US citizens as banking collateral ... there are other such pages on the site. It is too long to post in total ... here are some excerpts.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/constructive_fraud.html

The Rape of We The People and
The Constitution For The United States

EXCERPTS:

1. The United States went "Bankrupt" in 1933 and was declared so by President Roosevelt by Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111, and 6260, (See: Senate Report 93-549, pages 187 & 594) under the "Trading With The Enemy Act" (Sixty-Fifth Congress, Sess. I, Chs. 105, 106, October 6, 1917), and as codified at 12 U.S.C.A. 95a.

2. The several States of the Union then pledged the faith and credit thereof to the aid of the National Government, and formed numerous committees, such as the "Council of State Governments", "Social Security Administration", etc., to purportedly deal with the contrived economic "Emergency" caused by the bankruptcy. These Organizations operated under the "Declaration of Interdependence" of January 22, 1937, and published some of their activities in " Book Of The States."

~~~~~~~~~

5. The Reorganization of the bankruptcy is located in Title 5 of United States Codes Annotated. The "Explanation" at the beginning of 5 U.S.C.A. is most informative reading. The "Secretary of Treasury" was appointed as the "Receiver" in Bankruptcy. (See: Reorganization Plan No. 26, 5 U.S.C.A. 903, Public Law 94-564, Legislative History, pg. 5967) Since a bankrupt loses control over his business, this appointment to the "Office of Receiver" in bankruptcy had to have been made by the "creditors" who are "foreign powers or principals".

6. The United States as Corporator, (22 U.S.C.A. 286E, et seq.) and "State" (C.R.S. 24-36- 104, C.R.S. 24-60-1301(h)) had declared "Insolvency." (See: 26 I.R.C. 165(g)(1), U.C.C. 1-201(23), C.R.S. 39-22--103.5, Westfall vs. Braley, 10 Ohio 188, 75 Am. Dec. 509, Adams vs. Richardson, 337 S.W. 2d 911; Ward vs. Smith, 7 Wall. 447) A permanent state of "Emergency" was instituted, formed and erected within the Union through the contrivance, fraud and avarice of the International Financial Institutions, Organizations, Corporations and Associations, including the Federal Reserve, their "fiscal and depository agent" -- whose member banks are "privately owned corporations". 22 U.S.C.A. 286d

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

THE BANKRUPTCY HAS NEVER ENDED!

8. On March 17, 1993, on page 1303 of Volume 33 of the Congressional Record, Congressman Traficant stated:

    "Mr. Speaker, We are now here in Chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government."

9. This is an amazing confession as it applies, not only to "Members of Congress," but also to the Secretary of the Treasury as the "Receiver in bankruptcy" and to all state and federal "officials" who act under the de facto authority of that bankrupt Foreign Corporation known as the United States as trustees (foreign agents) for foreign principals. Trustees work for the creditors of a bankruptcy and are agents for foreign principals. In this case the creditors are the Federal Reserve Banks, the International Monetary Fund (the Fund) and the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (the Bank). (see: Who Is Running America?)

~~~~~~~~~~~~

13. On March 6, 1933 the federal government got the Conference of Governors to pledge the faith and credit of the several States of the Union and their citizenry to the aid of the National Government, (see pp. 18 - 24 of The Public Papers And Addresses of Franklin Roosevelt, Volume II, The Year Of Crisis, March 6, 1933) for what they openly admitted to doing. They encouraged the President to ask for and use extra-constitutional powers during the "emergency" that continues to this day.

~~~~~~~~~~

14. This property, the faith and credit of the citizenry of the several States, was the collateral accepted by the creditors (foreign principals) so the federal government could borrow more Federal Reserve Notes (private bank credit) and keep operating under reorganization. Roosevelt issued Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and 6260 within days of his inauguration Mar 4, 1933.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

16. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens. The several States were seduced into the new policy in 1939, with Roosevelt's promise of federal grants-in-aid. Federal Revenue Sharing (31 U.S.C. ( 6700 et seq.) is the modern version of the grants-in-aid program. In return for these grants, the states would agree to uphold and maintain the pledge of life, labor and property of their respective citizenry as surety for the debt obligations of the Federal government. The politicians of these respective states gladly complied, because they viewed this as an opportunity to increase their own political power, letting the next generation of office holders worry over the long term consequences of their acts.

Cool site, thanks for posting! 

[jofortruth]

mandatory volunteerism?

Classic doublespeak!     If it's "mandatory" that isn't "volunteering".     More of their word games to deceive the public!  

[Flur]

So ok.. H.R. 1388 is the happy warm fuzzy sounding bill that mandates service/volunteering but doesn't specify or limit WHICH ORGANIZATIONS will be served..


THIS is where I imagine a lot of those "VOLUNTEERS" will be going..

http://www.infowars.com/defense-department-announces-civilian-expeditionary-workforce/

and here it is in full:

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/140410p.pdf



Do you see what they did???   They broke it down into 2 separate parts.  One bill that requires service but doesn't specify where, and the other is a Directive that details a Civilian Workforce that will almost certainly get some of its civilian army through and because of H.R. 1388.

READ THIS AND GET THE FULL PICTURE.

[Jackson Holly]

It looks to me like this is the Obamanazi SS.



Forced conscription of citizenry as the enforcement arm of the NWO in the US!

Am I wrong?

[twitterbell]

It is no longer called the "GIVE" Act. HR 1388 is now S 3577 and called the NATIONAL SERVICE REAUTHORIZATION ACT.

Senator Harry Reid passed a motion Thursday night to vote for cloture at 6pm, March 23. That's Monday. This thing will be passed with no debate.

Here's the link to Reid's motion for cloture: http://tinyurl.com/co9fkm

[twitterbell]

It is no longer called the "GIVE" Act. HR 1388 is now S 3577 and called the NATIONAL SERVICE REAUTHORIZATION ACT.  Senator Harry Reid passed a motion Thursday night to vote for cloture at 6pm, March 23. That's Monday. This thing will be passed with no debate.

Here's the link to Reid's motion for cloture: http://tinyurl.com/co9fkm

[vcif]

Yeah that bummed me out, because Kucinich is usually on top of what's right. I guess he got caught up in the Democrat line-towing this time. He usually means well, IMO.

I don't understand Prison Planet Forum infatuation with this guy. He is a collectivist. Always was and always will be. Yeah it was fun to see him beat up KashnKari, but for crying out loud he wants to fully implement the 5th plank to the Communist Manifesto - ie Nationalize the Fed.

He is not a patriot and he does not believe in freedom. Sorry folks. We only have 1 patriot in the central government.

[twitterbell]

It is no longer called the "GIVE" Act. HR 1388 is now S 3577 and called the NATIONAL SERVICE REAUTHORIZATION ACT.

Senator Harry Reid passed a motion Thursday night to vote for cloture at 6pm, March 23. That's Monday. This thing will be passed with no debate.

Here's the link to Reid's motion for cloture: http://tinyurl.com/co9fkm

We have until about 3 pm Monday to try to stop this.Burn up the phones and emails on Monday morning.

[twitterbell]

BUMP - see thread stickied here- http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=94025.0

We have until maybe 3 pm on Monday to try to stop this. Burn up the phones and emails Monday morning.

[Jackson Holly]

It's a lost cause ... they don't give a damn what the people think.

The MFers are gonna draft our kids into the NWO come Hell or High Water.

[Waterboy2go]

I've emailed both of my senators, god I hope this doesn't pass.

[xTruthSeekerx]

the oath i took was to my constitution and the people of the us, if needed i am not going quietly into the night assholes of nobama

[Flur]

It is no longer called the "GIVE" Act. HR 1388 is now S 3577 and called the NATIONAL SERVICE REAUTHORIZATION ACT.

Senator Harry Reid passed a motion Thursday night to vote for cloture at 6pm, March 23. That's Monday. This thing will be passed with no debate.

Here's the link to Reid's motion for cloture: http://tinyurl.com/co9fkm

Harry Reid.. what a piece of CRAP.   From that link, check it "In This Section...


"Record Text
NATIONAL SERVICE REAUTHORIZATION ACT--MOTION TO PROCEED -- (Senate - March 19, 2009)<p><center><pre>[Page: S. 3577]

Sen. Harry Reid [D-NV]: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that it be in order to proceed to Calendar No. 35, H.R. 1388, the National Service Reauthorization Act.


Chair: Without objection, it is so ordered.

Sen. Harry Reid [D-NV]: Mr. President, I now move to proceed to Calendar No. 35, H.R. 1388, and I send a cloture motion to the desk.


Chair: The cloture motion having been presented under rule XXII, the Chair directs the clerk to read the motion.

Chair: The bill clerk read as follows:

Chair: Cloture Motion

Chair: We, the undersigned Senators, in accordance with the provisions of rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate, hereby move to bring to a close debate on the motion to proceed to Calendar No. 35, H.R. 1388, a bill to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.

Sen. Harry Reid [D-NV]: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the cloture vote occur on Monday, March 23 at 6 p.m.; and that if cloture is invoked, then postcloture time count as if cloture had been invoked at 3 p.m. that day; further, that the mandatory quorum be waived."



In this scenario, a quorum is basically the mandatory number of Senators that must be present for a bill to be voted on (in the Senate, it's 51.)  Those in opposition to a bill can do what's called Quorum-blocking whereby they ban together and just don't show up to vote, and if enough do this, the bill can't be voted on and eventually expires.    By waiving the mandatory quorum, that effectively means that even if only 15 Senators showed up, as long as 2/3 of them still voted in favor of the bill, it would pass. 

I mean.. i imagine anyone in opposition would make sure to show up to let it be known that they're against the bill, but still.. technically speaking.. asking for a waiver is saying they want this thing voted on and passed ASAP.    One other sidenote.. they can do what's called a quorum call or call to quorum, which is basically a roll call of all 100 Senators and is really just used to buy time for Senators in disagreement over any part of the bill to be able to negotiate off the record on the Senate floor as the names are being read.  It's just a way of buying time (usually happens repeatedly and can continue for hours) and making an allowance for REAL negotiating to take place.  Waiving the quorum is saying REGARDLESS of how many people are present, we will vote and not allow ANY time wasted on informal, but usually the most MEANINGFUL AND PRODUCTIVE negotiations during a quorum call.

Ok sorry, just thought that was EXTRA assholey of Reid to ask it to be waived.  They're not wasting ANY effing time.

[Intruth]

Under section 6104 of the bill, entitled “Duties,” in subsection B6, the legislation states that a commission will be set up to investigate, “Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.”



http://www.prisonplanet.com/house-pa...vice-bill.html

6104??
Where is that on here? The highest I see is 5102
And where does it say mandatory service?

[Intruth]

After some searching I found this in the bill that was introduced.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111fImwsG:e324376:

The link in the article did not have this section. Was it in the final bill that passed the house?


SEC. 6104. DUTIES.

(a) General Purpose- The purpose of the Commission is to gather and analyze information in order to make recommendations to Congress to--

(1) improve the ability of individuals in the United States to serve others and, by doing so, to enhance our Nation and the global community;

(2) train leaders in public service organizations to better utilize individuals committed to national service and volunteerism as they manage human and fiscal resources;

(3) identify and offer solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals in the United States to volunteer or perform national service; and

(4) build on the foundation of service and volunteer opportunities that are currently available.

(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:

(1) The level of understanding about the current Federal, State, and local volunteer programs and opportunities for service among individuals in the United States.

(2) The issues that deter volunteerism and national service, particularly among young people, and how the identified issues can be overcome.

(3) Whether there is an appropriate role for Federal, State, and local governments in overcoming the issues that deter volunteerism and national service and, if appropriate, how to expand the relationships and partnerships between different levels of government in promoting volunteerism and national service.

(4) Whether existing databases are effective in matching community needs to would-be volunteers and service providers.

(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.

( The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for elementary and secondary school students, through service learning or other means, and by raising awareness of existing incentives.

(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.

(10) The effect on United States diplomacy and foreign policy interests of expanding service opportunities abroad, such as the Peace Corps, and the degree of need and capacity abroad for an expansion.

(11) The constraints that service providers, nonprofit organizations, and State and local agencies face in utilizing federally funded volunteer programs, and how these constraints can be overcome.

(12) Whether current Federal volunteer programs are suited to address the special skills and needs of senior volunteers, and if not, how these programs can be improved such that the Federal Government can effectively promote service among the `baby boomer' generation.

(c) Methodology-

(1) PUBLIC HEARINGS- The Commission shall conduct public hearings in various locations around the United States.

(2) REGULAR AND FREQUENT CONSULTATION- The Commission shall regularly and frequently consult with an advisory panel of Members of Congress appointed for such purpose by the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the majority leader of the Senate.

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There are 4 versions of Bill Number H.R.1388 for the 111th Congress
1 . GIVE Act (Introduced in House)[H.R.1388.IH]
2 . GIVE Act (Reported in House)[H.R.1388.RH]
3 . GIVE Act (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)[H.R.1388.EH]
4 . GIVE Act (Placed on Calendar in Senate)[H.R.1388.PCS]

The first 2 have the section, the last 2 do not. This is great news! I think the public outrage made them take it out. The article PP posted was written before it was passed so all they had was the first version which had the section.
This is not the first time this has happened, Prison Planet also caught Obama say that it would be a mandatory service in his web site during the campaign. Once they published that it was in there, it disappeared a day or two later. I think it will reappear again at some point. It is our job to keep them on their toes.

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The no protesting part is in the version that passed the house. Refer to beginnning of this thread. WE have to stop all of this if we can. By 3pm on Monday.