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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2009, 03:19:51 PM » |
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Incredible
on the back of this bill...
we find the end of any organization's right to protest, organize, lobby, strike etc.
It is so interesting that they do not specify what kind of org, (community, non-profit, corporate, governmental, citizen, grass root?)
meaning, perhaps, any organized group of people?
two or more?
please, this seems huge:
can we have more info, insight?
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We have got to quit taking our Liberties and Freedoms for granted or lose them both..... PERIOD. Start calling your reps now, about this, and all the gun control crap, and the gardening ban, and good God this list could go on forever.....
The main point is we need to make our voices heard in Washington, and we have to start being active in this movement. It is time to sh!t or get off the pot.
HR 1388...Google it. I do not have the number for the Senate version yet...looking.
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Sorry, I don't have any...... I guess I could post one of myself. But everyone would laugh so thats out.  But in all seriousness here, We have got to quit taking our Liberties and Freedoms for granted or lose them both..... PERIOD. Start calling your reps now, about this, and all the gun control crap, and the gardening ban, and good God this list could go on forever..... The main point is we need to make our voices heard in Washington, and we have to start being active in this movement. It is time to sh!t or get off the pot. HR 1388...Google it. I do not have the number for the Senate version yet...looking. I agree. I've emailed people I never even had email addresses for! Just called them and said "Can I have your email address? It's important". After seeing that space for 'Selective Service" on my new driver's license.....I know it's for real. I just didn't think they would try and get it passed this quickly. But then again - it's Spring Break time and most kids/parents are not aware of how clandestinely our 'politicians' operate. What is most disheartening,though, is seeing Kucinich's name there. Makes you realize that (with one exception) all politicians are bought and paid for. Watch what they DO, and not what they say.  |
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Senator Bond, stop national conscription Senator, I realize you are headed for a well earned retirement, however you can still do a great deal of good before that time comes. The House passed a Mandatory National Service Bill yesterday that is in its heart and soul antithetical to the American way. Obama’s Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, publicly stated his intention to help create “universal civil defense training” in 2006. I, and many like myself will not be conscripted by a government that has labeled us terrorists for supporting the Constitution of the United States. Do you good Senator, support the Constitution of the United States or its Bill of Rights? You see, you too, might have just been labeled a terrorist, good Senator, by the Missouri police initative that has just reciently been circulated. Here is a link to read more about it if you don't already know that the Domestic Terrorist Programs are going to be turned against the very citizens that would fight most whole heartedly to reclaim the glory of this nation, the one you serve good Senator. http://www.rightsidenews.com/200903174033/culture-wars/missouri-state-police-think-you-and-i-are-terrorists.htmlPlease, good Senator, take up this cause without all possible reservations. Time grows short. One Citizen I hope you don't mind, but I stole your letter. Those in California--copy and paste to forms linked below. NO EXCUSES!!! Feinstein: http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMeBoxer: http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfmI realize that Boxer and Feinstein are already bought and paid for, but the point is you are heard in number, even if they don't listen to you. Show how RIDICULOUS it is that they go against 95% of the people they represent. DO it NOW. |
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« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2009, 06:13:36 PM » |
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 Look folks, this needs to be a multi-pronged issue here. Always learn to turn a negative issue, back into a positive one!I know the thing stinks, it will probably be passed. I'm sure the government is already forward looking to the riots in France that took place - from all the unemployed disenfranchised youth they have. And they are extremely concerned that this will most like invariably come here. BUT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. Forced service can be cast into a giant negative light when kids have to be dragged off their playstation consoles and forced to pick garbage or rake leaves or so forth. However many of these kids are not going to like this one bit, they are going to see how they are going to be used. It is a wonderful opportunity for the patriot community to run with it - and use it to illustrate how evil the current regime is. In effect this is a giant opportunity for lots of young people to get woken up! How ever their timing is REMARKABLE. As the 'recession / depression / Fed Money GRAB' enters full swing, they will already have their new system in place to deal with they youth to capture them back into the ever growing socialist system they are growing. |
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« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2009, 06:59:06 PM » |
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This bill violates my State's constitution! "There shall be no involuntary servitude within the State of Georgia except as a punishment for crime after legal conviction thereof or for contempt of court." http://www.lexis-nexis.com/hottopics/gacode/default.asp |
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« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2009, 07:17:13 PM » |
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I know, I started the whole bump pic thing.... But now to get back on topic. Here is a MSM spin on the new legislature.House Passes Volunteerism Bill Critics Call Pricey, Forced Servicehttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/house-readies-passage-volunteerism-critics-pricey-forced-service/
The legislation will expand the1993 AmeriCorps program to match the renewed interest in national service since President Obama's election, which backers say is crucial in tough economic times. By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos FOXNews.com Wednesday, March 18, 2009 WASHINGTON -- The House of Representatives passed a measure Wednesday that supporters are calling the most sweeping reform of nationally-backed volunteer programs since AmeriCorps. But some opponents are strongly criticizing the legislation, calling it expensive indoctrination and forced advocacy.
The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act -- sponsored by Reps. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y, and George Miller, D-Calif. -- was approved by a 321-105 vote and now goes to the Senate.The legislation, slated to cost $6 billion over five years, would create 175,000 "new service opportunities" under AmeriCorps, bringing the number of participants in the national volunteer program to 250,000. It would also create additional "corps" to expand the reach of volunteerism into new sectors, including a Clean Energy Corps, Education Corps, Healthy Futures Corps and Veterans Service Corps, and it expands the National Civilian Community Corps to focus on additional areas like disaster relief and energy conservation.It is the first time the AmeriCorps program, which was created by President Clinton in 1993, will be reauthorized, and supporters say it will have additional funding to match the renewed interest in national service since President Obama's election and the acute need for volunteerism and charity in tough economic times. "National and community service can help make Americans a part of the solution to get our country through this economic crisis. I hope the House and Senate will join us in moving as quickly as possible to help President Obama sign this critical bill into law," Miller, chairman of the education committee, said after the bill was passed. But the bill's opponents -- and there are only a few in Congress -- say it could cram ideology down the throats of young "volunteers," many of whom could be forced into service since the bill creates a "Congressional Commission on Civic Service." The bipartisan commission will be tasked with exploring a number of topics, including "whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation." "We contribute our time and money under no government coercion on a scale the rest of the world doesn't emulate and probably can't imagine," said Luke Sheahan, contributing editor for the Family Security Foundation. "The idea that government should order its people to perform acts of charity is contrary to the idea of charity and it removes the responsibility for charity from the people to the government, destroying private initiative."House committee staff insist the GIVE Act will not change the voluntary nature of service. "Its ridiculous to suggest that our bill includes any effort to make service a mandatory requirement. All of the opportunities our bill provides to Americans are voluntary. Americans are proud of their service and volunteering and their interest in it is only growing, especially in the face of this crisis. Our legislation recognizes that more Americans than ever want to serve and give back and provides them with more opportunities to be able to do so," Miller spokeswoman Rachel Racusen said in an e-mail to FOXNews.com. Others say they are concerned that the increased funding will be used to promote one ideology over another. "It's allowing taxpayer funding of the left-wing organizations," said Larry Hart, director of government relations for the American Conservative Union. "I think this is a problem that is rife throughout the federal government. When you dramatically expand the program, then you dramatically expand the ability for these left-wing advocacy organizations to get more funding. I don't see a lot of attention being paid to that, even from those who are critical. That's where the focus should be. Republicans tend to say its not that they oppose the program, they just want to spend less money. It's the program that's bad." South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson was one of three Republicans to oppose the legislation in committee. Wilson questioned the utility of the cash-strapped federal government making such huge investments in what he says should be community-inspired projects and programs.
"Volunteerism is part of the American spirit of generosity, and we all stand in support of those who will share their time," said Wilson, who was voted against the bill with Minnesota Rep. John Kline and California Rep. Tom McClintock. "However, while our economy and our government is in financial trouble, it is not the best use of taxpayer dollars to spend the level of money on new and existing programs included in this bill."Aides to Miller say they are awaiting estimates from the Congressional Budget Office on how much the GIVE Act would ultimately cost. In addition to all of the funding that goes to organizations in the forms of grants and administrative costs, AmeriCorps volunteers typically receive stipends and college scholarships when they complete one of the several available programs. For example, a participant in the National Civilian Community Corps, which is a 10-month residential commitment, now receives $4,000 in living expenses and a $4,475 in money toward school. That conceivably would increase under the new legislation. But regardless of the budget estimate, the financial benefits outweigh the cost, Racusen said. "The millions of Americans who volunteered in 2007 generated benefits worth $158 billion," Racusen said. "A cost-benefit analysis of AmeriCorps, for example, shows that every dollar invested in the programs yields almost $4 in direct, measurable benefits. Investing in service helps low-income students achieve in school, prepares future workers for green jobs, provides assistance to veterans returning from war, and rebuilds homes and communities after disasters." Many of the provisions in the GIVE Act can be found in Obama's 2010 fiscal year budget blueprint issued in February. The administration proposes $1.3 billion for the Corporation for National and Community Service, which administers AmeriCorps. CNCS received an estimated $260 million in fiscal 2009. But some critics on the right suggest that the president's push for national service goes too far, and the recent congressional steps toward expanding the federal role in volunteerism and "civilian service" smacks of a larger agenda. They point to a campaign speech the president made last July in which he suggested national security could be entrusted to a civilian force."We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded," Obama, who worked as a community organizer in Chicago early in his career, said during a Colorado Springs rally.At the time, Obama was discussing expanding the USA Freedom Corps -- created by President George W. Bush in 2002 -- Peace Corps and AmeriCorps, as well as beefing up the cadre of foreign service officers abroad and programs in which veterans help veterans back home. "This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up," Obama said in the speech. "Senator Obama aims to tap into the already active volunteerism of millions of Americans and recruit them to become cogs in a gigantic government machine grinding out his social re-engineering agenda," Lee Cary of the conservative American Thinker wrote at the time about Obama's remarks. "(His words) were about turning America into one, giant, community organizer's sandbox at enormous cost to taxpayers," Cary wrote. Supporters say critics are a minority who prefer to agitate than assist. "Resistance to expanded public service programs can be expected from the ideologically sclerotic, those who occupy the negative ground between government as the problem and government as our enemy," former Democratic Colorado Sen. Gary Hart wrote in a recent op-ed on the Huffington Post Web site.The Senate is mulling over a similar piece of legislation, the "Serve America Act," sponsored by Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. It was given a special endorsement by the president in his address before Congress on Feb. 24.
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« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2009, 09:06:53 PM » |
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did it pass and is law now?!
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« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2009, 09:11:05 PM » |
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« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2009, 09:19:10 PM » |
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im heasring it passed both house and senate and just house
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« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2009, 09:20:48 PM » |
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« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2009, 09:22:48 PM » |
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« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2009, 09:28:25 PM » |
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Hey think of it this way at least you wont be serving the beast under your own choice... Screw them.... No way are millions of americans are going to join their fake mess.... They are to late with their agenda to many people are awake they will have to do something else.... To kill us all. i forsee myself being arrested and executed soon |
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« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2009, 09:30:02 PM » |
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i forsee myself being arrested and executed soon
I'll be with you man. Probably for handing out a f**king 911 Flyer. So be it. |
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« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2009, 09:31:18 PM » |
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I'll be with you man.
Probably for handing out a f**king 911 Flyer.
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« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2009, 09:51:44 PM » |
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Not if I am there....lololo.....
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Hey think of it this way at least you wont be serving the beast under your own choice... Screw them.... No way are millions of americans are going to join their fake mess.... They are to late with their agenda to many people are awake they will have to do something else.... To kill us all.
Mario Savio: Sproul Hall Steps, December 2, 1964
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious,
makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part;
you can't even passively take part,
and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels,
upon the levers,
upon all the apparatus,
and you've got to make it stop.
And you've got to indicate to the people who run it,
to the people who own it,
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Thank you Sane ^^^^Love that Quote! I shot off yet another E-mail to Oh. Rep. Jim Jordan. He voted NAY. I thanked him for standing once again with the people on this matter, also I stated that nobody, no matter who they are "cannot volunteer for something that is mandatory." This equals slavery, and is a lead into tyranny. " Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
The Ohio constitution to back that up. " There shall be no slavery in this state; nor involuntary servitude, unless for the punishment of crime."
I also quoted the following from the story at PP.TV
“We contribute our time and money under no government coercion on a scale the rest of the world doesn’t emulate and probably can’t imagine,” said Luke Sheahan, contributing editor for the Family Security Foundation. “The idea that government should order its people to perform acts of charity is contrary to the idea of charity and it removes the responsibility for charity from the people to the government, destroying private initiative.”
Ending the letter with "In liberty, and freedom we stand" Thank you!
I want to send Dennis one also, but I am still pissed that he would betray his people like he has...
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Well I tried to warn slyck forums about this and they shunned me and took down my posts, why do some forums not wanna hear the truth, is it because it's better in their mind to censor the truth and not hear it then read through what Alex Jones is providing people with.
I think slyck needs to be added to the forums that hate prisonplanet users list, or have a list of all the places that try and censor the truth.
Slyck doesn't even appreciate what forums like urs have to offer. It's time slyck turn on, tune in, wake up.
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The truth shall set you free, if not a 45ACP round will do the trick.. HEHE
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ill wear a name tag WHATS UPPPP *lop* lol
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I am a realist that is slightly conservative yet I have some republican demeanor that can turn democrat when I feel the urge to flip independant.
The truth shall set you free, if not a 45ACP round will do the trick.. HEHE
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Does anyone else see the hideous irony of the concept of mandatory volunteerism? Furthermore, this will directly affect a certain sector (age group) if passed, does anyone find it ironic that no one in this age group is demographically represented in congress? In fact many of the citizens that we propose to shackle with mandatory volunteerism are not of voting age. As a parent and US citizen this pisses me off, I am reminded of the Greek riots that were started by teenagers seemingly frustrated by lack of representation, could inciting riots be an ulterior motive?
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Reading sections of the bill now. This stood out to me.
SEC. 1710. STUDY TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF A CENTRALIZED ELECTRONIC CITIZENSHIP VERIFICATION SYSTEM.
(a) Study- The Corporation for National and Community Service shall conduct a study to determine the effectiveness of a centralized electronic citizenship verification system which would allow the Corporation to share employment eligibility information with the Department of Education in order to reduce administrative burden and lower costs for member programs. This study shall identify--
(1) the costs associated with establishing this program both for the Corporation and for the Department of Education;
(2) the benefits or detriments of such a system both for the Corporation and for the Department of Education;
(3) strategies for ensuring the privacy and security of member information that is shared between agencies and member organizations;
(4) the information that needs to be shared in order to fulfill employment eligibility requirements; and
(5) recommendations for implementation of such a program.
(b) Consultation- The study shall be carried out in consultation with the Department of Education and other individuals and entities the Corporation considers appropriate.
(c) Report- Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Corporation shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a report on the results of the study required by subsection (a), together with a plan for implementation of a pilot program using promising strategies and approaches identified in such study, if the Corporation determines such program to be feasible.
(d) Pilot Program- From amounts made available to carry out this section, the Corporation may develop and carry out a pilot program based on the findings in the report submitted under subsection (c).
(e) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section such sums as may be necessary for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014.
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BUMP BUMP BUMP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BUMP.....
basicly saying you can not protest against the government!!!!! LIKE HELL!!!!! SOMEONE CALL ALEX ABOUT THIS NOW!!!!!!
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Does anyone have a list of yea and nay votes? This information will be vital in a re-election situation, although I suspect that we may never reach the point of re-election for most of these positions. Any take on analysis of constitutionallity of H R 1388?
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