Army Investigating How and Why Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murders

[unitedstrokesofamerica]

http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45206



CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Army has launched an inquiry into how and why active duty troops from Fort Rucker, Ala., came to be placed on the streets of Samson, Ala., during last week's murder spree in that tiny South Alabama community. The use of the troops was a possible violation of federal law.
 
“On March 10, after a report of an apparent mass murder in Samson, Ala., 22 military police soldiers from Fort Rucker, Ala., along with the provost marshal, were sent to the city of Samson,” Harvey Perritt, spokesman for the U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) at Fort Monroe, Va., told CNSNews.com on Monday.
 
“The purpose for sending the military police, the authority for doing so, and what duties they performed is the subject of an ongoing commander’s inquiry--directed by the commanding general of U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, Gen. Martin Dempsey.”
 
TRADOC is the headquarters command for Ft. Rucker.
 
“In addition to determining the facts, this inquiry will also determine whether law, regulation and policy were followed,” Perritt added. “Until those facts are determined, it would be inappropriate to speculate or comment further.”
 
Jim Stromenger, a dispatcher at the Samson Police Department, confirmed the MP’s presence in the town, telling CNSNews.com that the troops “came in to help with traffic control and to secure the crime scene”--and the department was glad for the help.
 
“We’ve been getting a lot of calls,” Stromenger said. “They weren’t here to police, let me make that clear. They were here to help with traffic and to control the crime scene--so people wouldn’t trample all over (it).”
 
Stromenger said the town needed help--calls had gone out to all police departments in the area.
 
“We only have a five-man police department,” he told CNSNews.com. “We had officers from all surrounding areas helping out. There were a lot of streets to be blocked off and there had to be someone physically there to block them off. That’s what these MPs were doing. I don’t think they were even armed. The troops helped keep nosy people away.”
 
But Stromenger said it wasn’t the Samson Police Department that called for the troops.
 
“I don’t know who called Fort Rucker. But someone did. They wouldn’t have been able to come if someone hadn’t,” he added.
 
Under Whose Authority?
 
The troops were apparently not deployed by the request of Alabama Gov. Bob Riley -- or by the request of President Obama, as required by law.

When contacted by CNSNews.com, the governor’s office could not confirm that the governor had requested help from the Army, and Gov. Riley's spokesman, Todd Stacy, expressed surprise when he was told that troops had been sent to the town.
 
No request from President Obama, meanwhile, was issued by the White House--or the Defense Department.
 
Wrongful use of federal troops inside U.S. borders is a violation of several federal laws, including one known as the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, Title 18, Section 1385 of the U.S. Code.
 
“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both,” the law states.
 
David Rittgers, legal policy analyst at the Cato Institute, said there are other laws barring use of federal troops outside of federal property, as well.
 
“Title 18, Section 375 of the U.S. Code is a direct restriction on military personnel, and it basically precludes any member of the army in participating in a ‘search, seizure, arrest or other similar activity, unless participation is otherwise authorized by law,’ “ Rittgers told CNSNews.com.
 
“The security of a crime scene is something I think that would roll up in the category of a ‘search, seizure or other activity,’” Rittgers added.
 
In addition, there is the Insurrection Act of 1808, as amended in 2007, (Title 10, Section 331 of the U.S. Code) under which the president can authorize troops “to restore order and enforce the laws of the United States” in an insurrection.
 
“Whenever there is an insurrection in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection,” the law states.
 
In 2007, Congress expanded the list to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition” as situations for which the president can authorize troops, provided that  “domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the state or possession are incapable of maintaining public order.”
 
Congress has been clear that the use of U.S. troops for civilian police purposes is forbidden.
 
“One of the statutes explicitly says that military brigs can’t even be used to detain domestic criminals,” Rittgers said. “It really is supposed to be a black and white line.”
 
The U.S. Department of Justice, meanwhile, would have prosecuting authority, if any violation is deemed to have occurred. The Justice Department did not comment for this story.
 
Ft. Rucker, located in Southern Alabama, is the home of Army Aviation.

[Dig]

screen shot that page, this story will not be lastin too long is my bet

[unitedstrokesofamerica]

yeah i could not believe i was reading that too lol

[nofakenews]

No doubt this one could maybe be deleted quickly.

[Geolibertarian]

http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45206

CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Army has launched an inquiry into how and why active duty troops from Fort Rucker, Ala., came to be placed on the streets of Samson, Ala., during last week's murder spree in that tiny South Alabama community.

Yeah, right, as if the reason "why" is some big friggin mystery or something. 

       http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8679397967686414853
       http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2235455191538141308

[unitedstrokesofamerica]

I know, i am so sick of the media playing dumb. There has been a clear progression up to this point that you cant deny. I am glad that this was reported but this " gee who knows" journalism is really pissing me off. 

[One Revelator]

Lets see here:

LTC W: //cuts in// the incident took place and all of the local aw enforcement from the state of Alabama responded.  It happened in several different cities.  It was a very ugly situation.  And it was going to be a long, drawn out situation.  So, here, in southern Alabama, we have mutual aid agreements with all of our local surrounding communities where they support us when we need help.  We support them.  We’ve had several natural disasters in the past such as a hurricane and a tornado.  And we support each other in times of need.  So, when this happened, we called down to one of the local police departments and offered our assistance.  And they said, “Absolutely.  We could use the military police.”  So we went down.  And all we did was provide a support role where we went…we took 20 MPs down there.  The local law enforcement and the state law enforcement were establishing a cordon and taking care of the area.  So we just provided support, went in.  And allowed those…the state and local law enforcement folks to go and take a knee and drink water, go and get some food, just rest for a little while.  We took their posts for them.  And then when they came back, we moved on to other places to see where we could assist.

AJ:  So did ah…so the Army contacted the police departments.  Was this while the hour-long rampage was going on?  Over 20 plus miles?  Or did you contact them after they’d already…after he’d already killed himself?

LTC W:  Yes, sir.  It was after.  After the event.  When we realized that this was gonna be a major undertaking, then what I did was I called and offered my assistance.  And the police chief took me up on it.  And we called in the soldiers and drove down there.

Uh oh.  Looks like an admission that “we” (Ft. Rucker, US Army) just kinda decided to initiate contact with the local police.  This may be of interest to the ongoing TRADOC commander’s inquiry up there in Virginia…

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=92444.0

[chrisfromchi]

was also covered on glenn beck today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrY6fKHw2Qk

[unitedstrokesofamerica]

was also covered on Glenn beck today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrY6fKHw2Qk

Wow, I really want to trust this Beck, but until he does a fair piece on 911 i can't. i wonder what would happen if everyone e mailed him to do a real show on 911. A real debate have Alex, Stephen Jones and Richard Gauge debate some stooges for 1 hr or a few shows. Then i might trust him.

[Dig]

Wow, I really want to trust this Beck, but until he does a fair piece on 911 i can't. i wonder what would happen if everyone e mailed him to do a real show on 911. A real debate have Alex, Stephen Jones and Richard Gauge debate some stooges for 1 hr or a few shows. Then i might trust him.

everyone has been emailing him for 7 years.

He is a CoIntelPro operative.  He is a Hal Turner on TV.  He sensationalizes stories like this not to point out solutions and how it fits into the Federal Reserve's agenda, but to instigate people into panic, fear, desperation.  Then when someone emails him about how pissed they are, that info goes to his handlers and added to a database.  I mean whatever they track everything anyway.  But he will not talk about The Obama Deception movie which lays it all out.

I mean WTF, why would he not mention the Obama Deception movie?  He supposedly cannot understand what is happening to his country and cries about it like the guy asking everyone to leave britney alone (cheez, someone has to do a youtube video of that).

[One Revelator]

This story is going mainstream!!!

Army reviewing Ala. use of troops-USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-03-18-samson_N.htm

Who sent soldiers into an Alabama town last week?-USA Today
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/03/who-sent-soldie.html

Army investigating use of Ft. Rucker soldiers after Samson shootings-WSFA12
http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=10032205&nav=0RdE

Army reviews troop use after fatal Ala. Shootings-AP
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i8CbzUeIBWcQ-VUtTTdTnlgX_oqAD970M3RO0

Dothan Eagle, Raw Story, Army Times, Lew Rockwell, and more!

Meanwhile, one of the earliest interviews with the Fort Rucker Provost Marshall is right here on Prison Planet Forum.  Awesome!  Even Becky jumped on the dog pile.  Thanks for the clip, chrisfromchi.

[chrisfromchi]

I mean WTF, why would he not mention the Obama Deception movie?  He supposedly cannot understand what is happening to his country and cries about it like the guy asking everyone to leave britney alone (cheez, someone has to do a youtube video of that).

I'm going to make my final call on Glenn Beck if and when Fema camps story comes out. Thats my personal test. I think he is definitely running something and am very interested in whatever is coordinating these news pundits.

I remember a comment from Rush Limbaugh about why he wouldn't bring up the Obama citizenship thing, apparently Phil Berg had been very critical about George Bush and the Iraq War. Judging by that assumption from that situation, i doubt alex would ever be said by name and would always be referred to as the 9/11 conspiracy nut. I think Glenn is working for those same people as well so he won't have alex on nor will he refer by name to him or his work, just as the 9/11 truthers or conspiracy kooks.

If they Rush or Glenn start using Alex Jones's name and sources more, which if you pay attention to timelines and details in stories lately, infowars is indeed making a dent in the news world is already happen. We need to get worried because that means whatever they are planning is coming soon or there will be an event. I have concern we will be blamed for this/truth movement/ white alqueda bs.

Its really kinda of freaky lately with these infowars stories appearing in the mainstream weeks later. My parents and friends are really waking up cause of it.

[Dig]

This story is going mainstream!!!

Army reviewing Ala. use of troops-USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-03-18-samson_N.htm

Who sent soldiers into an Alabama town last week?-USA Today
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/03/who-sent-soldie.html

Army investigating use of Ft. Rucker soldiers after Samson shootings-WSFA12
http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=10032205&nav=0RdE

Army reviews troop use after fatal Ala. Shootings-AP
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i8CbzUeIBWcQ-VUtTTdTnlgX_oqAD970M3RO0

Dothan Eagle, Raw Story, Army Times, Lew Rockwell, and more!

Meanwhile, one of the earliest interviews with the Fort Rucker Provost Marshall is right here on Prison Planet Forum.  Awesome!  Even Becky jumped on the dog pile.  Thanks for the clip, chrisfromchi.

that is some pretty great news.

whenever rawstory and lew rockwell talk about the same thing, it is cool

[abrhim]

If they Rush or Glenn start using Alex Jones's name and sources more, which if you pay attention to timelines and details in stories lately, infowars is indeed making a dent in the news world is already happen. We need to get worried because that means whatever they are planning is coming soon or there will be an event. I have concern we will be blamed for this/truth movement/ white alqueda bs.

Its really kinda of freaky lately with these infowars stories appearing in the mainstream weeks later. My parents and friends are really waking up cause of it.

they wouldnt make the mistake of mentioning alex's name because there is no such thing as bad publicity.  and even if they tried to paint AJ as an evil doer, those who want to root out evil would realize that beck, rush, almost all of the government are the real evildoers.  I agree with the white alqueda statement, however i think it'll be more like 'domestic insurgents'.  Still working on my family they just assume i'm a conservative or conspiracy nut.  patience...

[Geolibertarian]

Its really kinda of freaky lately with these infowars stories appearing in the mainstream weeks later. My parents and friends are really waking up cause of it.

That raises an interesting question: if most of the newly-awakened mainstream "news" listeners we keep hearing about were on the Titanic, would they continue to mindlessly insist that it's a "conspiracy theory" to say that the ship is sinking as long as the corporate whore media kept telling them that icebergs "don't exist"?

[Anti_Illuminati]

http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45206

But Stromenger said it wasn’t the Samson Police Department that called for the troops.
 
“I don’t know who called Fort Rucker. But someone did. They wouldn’t have been able to come if someone hadn’t,” he added.
 
Under Whose Authority?
 
The troops were apparently not deployed by the request of Alabama Gov. Bob Riley -- or by the request of President Obama, as required by law.

When contacted by CNSNews.com, the governor’s office could not confirm that the governor had requested help from the Army, and Gov. Riley's spokesman, Todd Stacy, expressed surprise when he was told that troops had been sent to the town.
 
No request from President Obama, meanwhile, was issued by the White House--or the Defense Department.

They were more than likely secretly ordered to deploy by Northcom.  Remember I posted this in it's entirety not long ago:

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GANGS, TERRORISTS, COPS AND THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT
COL Robert Killebrew, Consultant and Former Deputy Director, Army After Next Project, TRADOC

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Some experts believe that it is only a matter of time before transnational terrorism and organized crime link up and cross the U.S. border in force. This is a concern for local, state and federal law enforcement agencies. But given the expanding role for the U.S. military in domestic defense, it might also become a concern for the Pentagon. This session examines what role U.S. armed forces might play in this matter."
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What the f**k.  Google : "Northern Command" Tradoc:

Domestic Defense 2009
DOMESTIC DEFENSE 2009: The Expanding Role of U.S. Military Forces in Defending America
Wednesday, March 11, 2009
Session: 8:00AM - 4:00PM Sponsored by:
The Pentagon has approved the establishment of a 20,000-strong rapid reaction force to deal with the aftermath of a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, or high-yield explosive attack on American soil. This force will be assigned to U.S. Northern Command in what is viewed as a major shift in the DoD’s role in domestic defense.

The challenges inherent in establishing such a force will be the topic of DOMESTIC DEFENSE 2009— THE EXPANDING ROLE OF U.S. MILITARY FORCES IN DEFENDING AMERICA.
Registration Fees:  Advance: $225.00; On-Site:   $295.00
Contact govsec@1105govinfo.com  for group rates!
Editorial Director: Barry Rosenberg
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THE EXPANDING ROLE OF U.S. MILITARY FORCES IN DEFENDING AMERICA
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Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, Deputy Commander, U.S. Northern Command It's been 130 years since the U.S. military was permitted to engage in law enforcement activities on domestic soil. That is still the case, but the Pentagon's recent approval of a rapid reaction force greatly expands the role of the military in domestic defense. This session examines the challenges ahead for such a force.
8:50 a.m.          Session 2

THE POSSE COMITATUS ACT IN A POST 9/11 WORLD
Joseph Zengerle, (Executive Director, (Clinic for Legal Assistance to Servicemembers, (George Mason University School of Law
When the U.S. Army ended its 10-year occupation of the former Confederate States in 1877, it was the last time that federal, uniformed forces engaged in law enforcement on American soil. The Posse Comitatus Act has prevented the military from being used in such as way for the last 130 years. Since 9/11, however, there have been calls for U.S. forces to become involved in natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina, or in the event of a domestic chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive attack. This session examines the law, and the Pentagon's shift to domestic defense. 

9:45 a.m.        Break
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ESTABLISHING RAPID REACTION FORCES ON U.S. SOIL
BG Pat Donahue, Deputy Commanding General of Maneuvers, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, GA COL Roger Cloutier, Commander, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, GA

In October, the U.S. Army’s 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team (Fort Stewart, GA) was put under the control of U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM), the first time an active-duty combat brigade has been assigned to the command. A total of 20,000 uniformed troops are expected to be assigned to rapid reaction forces inside the U.S. by 2011 to respond to domestic catastrophe. This session examines the establishment of these forces, and their roles and missions. 

11:00 a.m.      Session 4
THE EXPANDING ROLE OF JOINT TASK FORCE-CIVIL SUPPORT & THE CBRNE CONSEQUENCE MANAGEMENT
RESPONSE FORCE
Maj. Gen. Daniel "Chip" Long Jr., Commander, Joint Task Force-Civil Support, USNORTHCOM
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Much of the expanding role that U.S. military forces will play in domestic defense fall upon the shoulders of the Joint Task Force-Civil Support (JTF-CS) and CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force (C-CMRF). A subordinate unit of USNORTHCOM, these forces swing into action during a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive (CBRNE) situation in the U.S. or its territories and possessions. In this session, the JTF-CS commanding general briefs on the expanding role of these forces. 

12:00 p.m.      Exhibits and Lunch
1:30 p.m.        Session 5
MATERIEL REQUIREMENTS FOR DOMESTIC DEFENSE OPS
COL Stephen Hearn, Director of Logistics (J-4), Joint Task Force-Civil Support, USNORTHCOM Military forces engaged in operations on U.S. soil will have a set of hardware requirements drastically different from those needed in Iraq or Afghanistan. From light vehicles to CBR (chemical, biological and radiological) protection suits to software-defined radios to transport helicopters, the acquisition of the right type of hardware will be essential to effective military response to natural disasters or a domestic attack. This session examines hardware requirements, as well as the physical infrastructure necessary to establish domestic defense forces, and possible industry response to meeting those
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THE IMPERATIVE FOR JOINT COMMUNICATIONS
Common communications among the military services, the Coast Guard, the National Guard, and state and local authorities is the proverbial Holy Grail for effective domestic defense. A number of tools are being development to interconnect command and control systems. This session examines some of them, including the Joint Forces

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GANGS, TERRORISTS, COPS AND THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT
COL Robert Killebrew, Consultant and Former Deputy Director, Army After Next Project, TRADOC Some experts believe that it is only a matter of time before transnational terrorism and organized crime link up and cross the U.S. border in force. This is a concern for local, state and federal law enforcement agencies. But given the expanding role for the U.S. military in domestic defense, it might also become a concern for the Pentagon. This session examines what role U.S. armed forces might play in this matter. 

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[Mike Philbin]

David Rittgers, legal policy analyst at the Cato Institute, said there are other laws barring use of federal troops outside of federal property, as well.
 
“Title 18, Section 375 of the U.S. Code is a direct restriction on military personnel, and it basically precludes any member of the army in participating in a ‘search, seizure, arrest or other similar activity, unless participation is otherwise authorized by law,’ “ Rittgers told CNSNews.com.

well, then it's part of the Law i.e. MARTIAL LAW HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED

fairly easy conclusion.

 

[changedname]

What now the military has to investigate itself to determine why it decided to do something?? Hmmmmmmm, there that fox is guarding the hen house again!