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Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« on: March 15, 2009, 09:03:02 am »
Thanks canandy for the news tip, http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=93214.msg542357#msg542357

Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-spyblimp13-2009mar13,0,4608400.story

Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights



The giant dirigible would use radar to closely and constantly monitor activity on the ground from 65,000 feet.

By Julian E. Barnes
March 13, 2009

Reporting from Washington -- The Pentagon said Thursday that it intends to spend $400 million to develop a giant dirigible that will float 65,000 feet above the Earth for 10 years, providing unblinking and intricate radar surveillance of the vehicles, planes and even people below.

"It is absolutely revolutionary," Werner J.A. Dahm, chief scientist for the Air Force, said of the proposed unmanned airship -- describing it as a cross between a satellite and a spy plane.

Eye in the skyThe 450-foot-long craft would give the U.S. military a better understanding of an adversary's movements, habits and tactics, officials said. And the ability to constantly monitor small movements in a wide area -- the Afghanistan- Pakistan border, for example -- would dramatically improve military intelligence.

"It is constant surveillance, uninterrupted," Dahm said. "When you only have a short-time view -- whether it is a few hours or a few days -- that is not enough to put the picture together."

The project reflects a shift in Pentagon planning and spending priorities under Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, who has urged the military services to improve intelligence and surveillance operations while cutting high-tech weaponry costs.


If successful, the dirigible -- the brainchild of the Air Force and the Pentagon's research arm -- could pave the way for a fleet of spy airships, military officials said.

However, it marks the return to a form of flight that has stirred anxiety and doubt since the 1937 Hindenburg disaster. Thirty-six people were killed when that airship went up in flames in New Jersey.

The military has used less-sophisticated tethered blimps -- called aerostats -- to conduct surveillance around military bases in Iraq. But flying at 65,000 feet, the giant airship would be nearly impossible to see, beyond the range of any hand-held missile, and safe from most fighter planes.

And its range would be such that the spy craft could operate at the distant edges of any military theater, probably out of the range of surface-to-air missiles as well.

The Air Force's intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance abilities have improved dramatically in the last five years with the expansion of the Predator and other drones. Although such craft can linger over an area for a long time, they do not watch constantly.

The giant airship's military value would come from its radar system. Giant antenna would allow the military to see farther and with more detail than it can now.

"Being able to observe threats [and] understand what is happening is really the game-changing piece here," Dahm said.

The dirigible will be filled with helium and powered by an innovative system that uses solar panels to recharge hydrogen fuel cells. Military officials said those underlying technologies -- plus a very lightweight hull -- were critical to making the project work.

"The things we had to do here were not trivial; they were revolutionary," said Jan Walker, a spokeswoman for the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, the Pentagon's research arm.

The Air Force has signed an agreement with DARPA to develop a demonstration dirigible by 2014. The prototype will be a third as long as the planned surveillance craft -- known as ISIS, for Integrated Sensor Is the Structure, because the radar system will be built into the structure of the ship.

While the military says the craft is closer to a blimp than a zeppelin -- which has a rigid external structure -- officials usually call the project an airship. Blimps get their shape from helium gas pressure.

The Pentagon has not yet awarded a contractor to build the prototype. Earlier work was done by Northrop Grumman in Redondo Beach -- as well as Baltimore and other locations -- and by Lockheed Martin in Palmdale, Calif.; Akron, Ohio; and Denver.


Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-spyblimp13-2009mar13,0,4608400.story

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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2009, 10:42:15 am »
Its pretty simple, anytime they use the word 'plans' it translates into 'already done'

Anytime they use the term '1' you always multiply it by 2-5...

I would guess they have several of these already operational..

One only need look at the CIA Boxcart, versus the military's - there were two runs of SR-71's...




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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 07:26:38 am »
that is crazy man!!


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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 01:21:04 pm »
They already have at least one of these huge blimps that sit above 70,000 ft here in the US don't they.

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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 01:50:19 pm »
I dont follow the last line of your post. Are you referring to the C119 Boxcar? That was a cargo plane. Also, the last line; "There were two runs of SR-71's" has me puzzled.



Its pretty simple, anytime they use the word 'plans' it translates into 'already done'

Anytime they use the term '1' you always multiply it by 2-5...

I would guess they have several of these already operational..

One only need look at the CIA Boxcart, versus the military's - there were two runs of SR-71's...




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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 03:28:00 pm »
Still using Hydrogen???...."Ohhhhh the Humanity of it all!!"

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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2010, 11:01:30 am »
Ugh. More spying on us is just what we need.

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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2010, 02:32:04 pm »
I am kinda reminded of the film "enemy of the state" and the short falls of things that can only look down (and about not looking up)

I posted last week about a new kind of aircraft i have notuiced in the UK skies - they look like planes but they are really high - they leave no con or chem trails - and despite being really high they appear to fly 3x faster than the other "regular" aircraft.
They look to be all white - i don`t have the equipment to see them any better . . . yet.
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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2010, 06:50:57 pm »
I am kinda reminded of the film "enemy of the state" and the short falls of things that can only look down (and about not looking up)

I posted last week about a new kind of aircraft i have notuiced in the UK skies - they look like planes but they are really high - they leave no con or chem trails - and despite being really high they appear to fly 3x faster than the other "regular" aircraft.
They look to be all white - i don`t have the equipment to see them any better . . . yet.

My instructor in electronic surveillance when I was an undewrcover narcotics agent once was quoted as sayign there was only one detail that was wrong in Enemy of the State... He said that satellites can read license plates, they just use birds that are on an angular angle of attack towards the target, not one that is straight overhead.

While working a multistate undercover surveillance mission with a few alphabet agencies, I flew on a converted Gulfstream 5 that had a satellite tasked to it specfically for it's operational area. That plane on it's own could do some amazingly scary things, and thats was without tying into the satellite.
The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.

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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2010, 07:01:08 am »
Gee that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy ! :S
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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2010, 09:29:47 am »
My instructor in electronic surveillance when I was an undewrcover narcotics agent once was quoted as sayign there was only one detail that was wrong in Enemy of the State... He said that satellites can read license plates, they just use birds that are on an angular angle of attack towards the target, not one that is straight overhead.

While working a multistate undercover surveillance mission with a few alphabet agencies, I flew on a converted Gulfstream 5 that had a satellite tasked to it specfically for it's operational area. That plane on it's own could do some amazingly scary things, and thats was without tying into the satellite.

You were a narc?  :o

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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2010, 07:30:38 pm »
I was in fact a narc...but I tend to think that there are certain drugs such as pot, and maybe even shrooms that should be legalized, mainly due to their occurring naturally, and there not being any fair and prudent way of regulating them. I'm still on the fence about shrooms, becuasse they are a bit more pshychoactive than weed. Weed on the other hand is no worse than alcohol in my opinion, even though I've never smoked or ingested any. As for the more hardcore stuff, it should remain illegal. While coca and poppy plants are naturally occurring, the uber dangerous and addictive natures of them do not give them a valuable place in our society. That answer your concerns well enough?
The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.

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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2010, 08:22:05 pm »
I remember Alex talking about this a long time ago. they can watch my aSS , bunch a pervs.
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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2010, 09:21:26 pm »
100% total 24/7 surveillance. Just think about what that means! Apply it to your daily routine. Everything! How you shit and make love! They'll even know how many times you picked your own ass on any given day. They'll have access to EVERYTHING about you. Where you hide your porn and pot, what you eat for every meal for the rest of your life, how you groom yourself, what you read, every command you ever make on an electronic device. How many zits you have, when the last time you played with yourself, that time you cheated in golf, what you said to your friend before they passed. Everything.

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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2010, 09:34:24 pm »
100% total 24/7 surveillance. Just think about what that means!

I've thought about it.  ;)  To control something, you have to watch it.  Surveillance is power.

However, the authoritarian personality looks at it like this: "If you don't have anything to hide, there's nothing to worry about."

The authoritarian personality, being naturally submissive to the authorities, is exactly the sort of person who will probably never have to worry about being abusively surveilled.  He's already under control.


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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2010, 09:37:52 pm »
I've thought about it.  ;)  To control something, you have to watch it.  Surveillance is power.

However, the authoritarian personality looks at it like this: "If you don't have anything to hide, there's nothing to worry about."

The authoritarian personality, being naturally submissive to the authorities, is exactly the sort of person who will probably never have to worry about being abusively surveilled.  He's already under control.



Excellently said, sir!
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Re: Pentagon plans blimp to spy from new heights
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2014, 01:03:46 am »
Great it is very speechless project.