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« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2009, 11:22:56 PM »

My brief summary concerning much of AI's investigative research (particular to Ptech stuff)...

The colors highlight key sentences detailing the connections between terrorist owned risk management software, the military industrial complex, false flag cover provided by insane war games, and the companies/government agencies behind the scenes.  Paranoia is based on the unrealistic idea that the world is out to get you, Anti_Illuminati has exposed the connections concerning the companies/agencies/people that create and maintain tyranny control grids throughout our country.

He has also exposed their own corporate documents that outline:

Motives to create false flag terrorism (including cyberterror and pandemics)
Plans to conduct war games of these attacks
Funding for these projects
Progression/escalation of intensity regarding the size/damage/control of such attacks
The fact that the same people conducting these war games and planning for solutions of such attacks are the same people behind 9/11

You can find out more by reading the threads.


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« Reply #81 on: March 05, 2009, 11:23:49 PM »

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« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2009, 11:24:10 PM »


You'll see it in about 15 mins hopefully...


on ye go!

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« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2009, 11:25:07 PM »

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« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2009, 11:27:02 PM »

Have you seen the 30:00 point?



L8er.

I just past the gut talking about pookie poo.  I am about 10 minutes in.
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« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2009, 11:30:49 PM »

I just past the gut talking about pookie poo.  I am about 10 minutes in.

It is quite disturbing.

I have never seen ANYONE howl like a monkey in a church before, let alone the ENTIRE congregation acting like crazed luciferians.
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« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2009, 11:37:10 PM »

So:

It is the Empire building Computer/Network based corporations' own documents showing projects to stage terror attacks and use war games as a smoke and mirror to aid in the physical carrying out of those terror attacks -- for the furtherment of their own power and influence.

Very valuable -- Thank you.

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Why is this stuff important?  It’s particularly effective for police, military, government and corporate employees in the military industrial complex.  Anybody who has been compartmentalized, which is all of the above, has a chance to see the bigger picture of what they're directly involved in.  A glimpse into a bigger truth picture.
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« Reply #87 on: March 05, 2009, 11:40:43 PM »

Still working on post, give me a bit.
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« Reply #88 on: March 05, 2009, 11:48:35 PM »

I am curious are there any connections with Honeywell on Arapaho, Road in Richardson, Texas.  Rockwell Collins Radio is in Richardson, Texas?  

I know about E-Systems (now Ratheon) is in Garland, Texas on Jupiter road in their Industrial park. I had lots of friends parents who work for this company growing up.  One of my friends her father was a wheel for E-Systems and our senior year in High School they abruptly moved--no forwarding address.  I didn't think nothing of it, until now.

I have a few family members work for Texas Instruments as well.  My cousin has top government clearance.

Texas is definitely one of the hubs for the Military Industrial Complex.
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« Reply #89 on: March 05, 2009, 11:49:51 PM »

So:

It is the Empire building Computer/Network based corporations' own documents showing projects to stage terror attacks and use war games as a smoke and mirror to aid in the physical carrying out of those terror attacks -- for the furtherment of their own power and influence.

Very valuable -- Thank you.

Continue grand standing -- I now approve.

my bad, should have done it earlier...

but look how many views we got on this thread.

Hey maybe you and I are part of a hegelian dialectic that has two seemingly opposing points of view revealing one solid commitment of liberty and freedom.

How ya guys like them apples?

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« Reply #90 on: March 05, 2009, 11:51:43 PM »

Why is this stuff important?  It’s particularly effective for police, military, government and corporate employees in the military industrial complex.  Anybody who has been compartmentalized, which is all of the above, has a chance to see the bigger picture of what they're directly involved in.  A glimpse into a bigger truth picture.

And then they can easily see that they are just expendable pawns in a much bigger and more sinister plot than they could ever fathom.  then when you discuss dresden with them, it is a no brainer.
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« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2009, 11:53:41 PM »

It is quite disturbing.

I have never seen ANYONE howl like a monkey in a church before, let alone the ENTIRE congregation acting like crazed luciferians.

You're right it is disturbing.  I can only imagine what someone would think if that was their first time in a church.
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« Reply #92 on: March 06, 2009, 12:01:18 AM »

And then they can easily see that they are just expendable pawns in a much bigger and more sinister plot than they could ever fathom.  then when you discuss dresden with them, it is a no brainer.
It's important that they each be given a choice as to what they want to do.  AI's info can enable that choice.
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« Reply #93 on: March 06, 2009, 12:10:42 AM »

yep, I was just thinking about the state of things tonight and the amount of corruption is just becoming absurd and comical.
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« Reply #94 on: March 06, 2009, 12:20:11 AM »

I am curious are there any connections with Honeywell on Arapaho, Road in Richardson, Texas.  Rockwell Collins Radio is in Richardson, Texas? 

I know about E-Systems (now Ratheon) is in Garland, Texas on Jupiter road in their Industrial park. I had lots of friends parents who work for this company growing up.  One of my friends her father was a wheel for E-Systems and our senior year in High School they abruptly moved--no forwarding address.  I didn't think nothing of it, until now.

I have a few family members work for Texas Instruments as well.  My cousin has top government clearance.

Texas is definitely one of the hubs for the Military Industrial Complex.

RIIS employees have a global presence according to their website.
http://www.raytheon.com/businesses/riis/

As for TI and Honeywell, I suppose most companies could manufacture a super-secret widget as easily as a pocket calculator or thermostat.  Contracts abound.
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« Reply #95 on: March 06, 2009, 01:36:12 AM »


Dammit, i missed out on the 'anointing oil keychain' special offer.
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« Reply #96 on: March 06, 2009, 09:51:52 AM »

Watch out for the reptilian hoax agenda, same as the alien invasion hoax agenda (hint, there ain't no such thing as either):












I can't stop laughing lol!
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« Reply #97 on: March 06, 2009, 10:10:12 AM »

RIIS employees have a global presence according to their website.
http://www.raytheon.com/businesses/riis/

As for TI and Honeywell, I suppose most companies could manufacture a super-secret widget as easily as a pocket calculator or thermostat.  Contracts abound.

Yeah, I know.  I do think the Dallas/Ft. Worth area is definitely one of the hubs for the MIC.  It definitely is becoming the model police state hub.
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« Reply #98 on: March 06, 2009, 10:28:40 AM »

There are many Church's in my area like these in the Tex Marrs video! I knew someone who went to one of these church's and they claimed a healer was coming to the church and asked me to go! Well since one of those who asked me was very ill with a heart condition I decided to go to see what would happen! Guess what? This person was not chosen as one to be healed that night! I wonder why that is? What better way to show the power of the healer than to have this woman healed but that did not happen! I sat there watching and felt like an alien visiting on another planet! Watching and wising this to be over soon and never wanted to return to that place again!! I don't think I need to express my thoughts that I was thinking while sitting there but I was amazed that people actually believed all this!
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« Reply #99 on: March 06, 2009, 08:52:40 PM »

There are many Church's in my area like these in the Tex Marrs video! I knew someone who went to one of these church's and they claimed a healer was coming to the church and asked me to go! Well since one of those who asked me was very ill with a heart condition I decided to go to see what would happen! Guess what? This person was not chosen as one to be healed that night! I wonder why that is? What better way to show the power of the healer than to have this woman healed but that did not happen! I sat there watching and felt like an alien visiting on another planet! Watching and wising this to be over soon and never wanted to return to that place again!! I don't think I need to express my thoughts that I was thinking while sitting there but I was amazed that people actually believed all this!

I believe the existence of God or a higher being/creator and even Christianity is not hard for me to fathom as having some truth to them.

These people, I sincerely believe are being led by a dark power.  I think they have been hooked into Satan worship somehow because there is nothing natural or holy about what they do.

I turned off that video after about 45 minutes because I couldn't take any more of that stuff.

It's really creepy.  :-)
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« Reply #100 on: March 06, 2009, 08:55:44 PM »

Watch out for the reptilian hoax agenda, same as the alien invasion hoax agenda (hint, there ain't no such thing as either):













agreed.. umm..
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« Reply #101 on: March 06, 2009, 09:07:47 PM »

I know that we have all been raised and conditioned from birth to look for the "answer" and "conclusion".  I suppose that has allowed the NWO to get away with so much.  These are extremely complex inquiries that are not answered by a "ready for prime time" statement on a faux news program.  All of the information is in there.  If AI spent the time to research, format, and post it...don't you think you could spend one fourth the time in reading it before demanding to know what the "conclusion" is?

The only "reading~research" he likes is along the lines of low grade sadomasochistic trash.

And I doubt he ever looked up the definition conclusion,
like a good parrot he merely mimics what he hears
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« Reply #102 on: March 06, 2009, 09:22:40 PM »

The only "reading~research" he likes is along the lines of low grade sadomasochistic trash.

And I doubt he ever looked up the definition conclusion,
like a good parrot he merely mimics what he hears
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« Reply #103 on: April 12, 2009, 07:42:15 AM »

I would have to disagree.  I would assume the exact opposite.  People used to think, the founding father's thought, Socrates thought, Confucius thought, and people who have been woken up think for themselves.

We have been conditioned since birth to pick a side, learn (memorize), repeat, obey.

Our thinking has been almost completely shut off. 

That is the reason the NWO has gotten away with rape and will continue making progress in their great plan.

I find that most people who are aware that sh*t is going on are older.  Not ALL of them - most of them.

I adhered to the official history until about age 35, when I read Garrison's book (he was the DA in New Orleans) about the JFK assassination.  I met a friend who shredded my public school history education; that was part of it.  Until then I just wanted to do my job, get laid, go to the gym, find a wife, etc.

I also find that women generally have a lower tolerance for the contemplation of conspiracy history than guys do.  If you want to hang out with women, you can't be talking about 9-11 - generally.

Also, a lot of people have an instinctive dislike for people who question authority.  They cannot CONCEIVE that the US would kill its own people on 9-11, with the help of Israel, our supposed "friend" (just ask USS Liberty kin or Rachel Corrie's family if Israel is our friend.)

And, there's religion.  I find most Christian church's in the US teach that you MUST support Israel (the Jewish state part of Israel) if you want to get to heaven.

There's also the influence of the US military.  It's kind of hard to get a job in some (or most) parts of the country if you don't hide your interest in 9-11.  Can you imagine, if you got to the "tell me about yourself" part of an interview, and you said "Cheney took care of the war-games, Israel did the demolition - speaking of 9-11" ?

So between all of these influences - the workplace, religion, people who dislike people who question authority, women friends who don't want to talk about it because it's so depressing - who is there to talk about our US & world history with ?  You folks - most of whom I will never meet.

Actually, occasionally, when I connect the dots, I cry.  No, I don't laugh.  I'm not saying it's bad to laugh, everybody reacts their own way.

It's just pretty f*cking amazing what our "elected leaders" have gotten away with - what the general public lets them get away with.

If I could have one wish, it would be for other countries to stand up to the US.  e.g., for England, Canada, etc., to say, "hell, NO, we're not going along with your BS.  If you want to blow up one of your own buildings to get your people all riled up, that's your business."  But most of Europe, even, goes along with the 9-11 BS, at least at the official level.
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« Reply #104 on: April 12, 2009, 07:56:47 AM »

I find that most people who are aware that sh*t is going on are older.  Not ALL of them - most of them.

I adhered to the official history until about age 35, when I read Garrison's book (he was the DA in New Orleans) about the JFK assassination.  I met a friend who shredded my public school history education; that was part of it.  Until then I just wanted to do my job, get laid, go to the gym, find a wife, etc.

I also find that women generally have a lower tolerance for the contemplation of conspiracy history than guys do.  If you want to hang out with women, you can't be talking about 9-11 - generally.

Also, a lot of people have an instinctive dislike for people who question authority.  They cannot CONCEIVE that the US would kill its own people on 9-11, with the help of Israel, our supposed "friend" (just ask USS Liberty kin or Rachel Corrie's family if Israel is our friend.)

And, there's religion.  I find most Christian church's in the US teach that you MUST support Israel (the Jewish state part of Israel) if you want to get to heaven.

There's also the influence of the US military.  It's kind of hard to get a job in some (or most) parts of the country if you don't hide your interest in 9-11.  Can you imagine, if you got to the "tell me about yourself" part of an interview, and you said "Cheney took care of the war-games, Israel did the demolition - speaking of 9-11" ?

So between all of these influences - the workplace, religion, people who dislike people who question authority, women friends who don't want to talk about it because it's so depressing - who is there to talk about our US & world history with ?  You folks - most of whom I will never meet.

Actually, occasionally, when I connect the dots, I cry.  No, I don't laugh.  I'm not saying it's bad to laugh, everybody reacts their own way.

It's just pretty f*cking amazing what our "elected leaders" have gotten away with - what the general public lets them get away with.

If I could have one wish, it would be for other countries to stand up to the US.  e.g., for England, Canada, etc., to say, "hell, NO, we're not going along with your BS.  If you want to blow up one of your own buildings to get your people all riled up, that's your business."  But most of Europe, even, goes along with the 9-11 BS, at least at the official level.

In general, I would agree.

Being a woman myself, the women at my Church are awake, and have no problem talking about it. I guess that would all depend on where you go, really.

The older people, for the most part, are awake, but as they die off, less and less people with an ingrained common sense untainted by the current educational system are around. The self-serving indoctrination began in the schools. It was part of the plot to destroy people at an early age, so that they would have a generation ripe to accept the spoonfeeding of their agenda. Old people who knew the truth, weren't going to accept their errors, but if they caught them young, they could taint generations.

There's a lady at my Church that, instead of running away from Warsaw when Hitler's forces were there, WENT THERE and was in a concentration camp because she fought back. Not many of those people are left... they're in their late 70's and early 80's, sometimes 90's.

My mother is 65, and she never believed the lies about what happened to JFK.

You're not kidding about people not wanting to believe what is happening. My entire extended family is in the dark, because they think that everything is "hunky dorey" and "God wouldn't let anything like that happen, so shut up and drink your kool-aid" mentality.

The reason our government can get away with what they're doing, is because of the indoctrination in the schools. If they could even get -one- generation of people, they get two or three more, because once they hit the teaching age, they an army of teachers to teach yet another generation the same lies. That's why getting the schools was so important to them. It was a stealth operation, that didn't go undetected, but the people that revealed their plan, were demonized, sort of like the "whacked out conspiracy theorists" of today.

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« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2009, 09:03:04 AM »

The reason our government can get away with what they're doing, is because of the indoctrination in the schools.

That's one of the reasons.

Another reason is the zombie-like state most people are in due to habitual TV-watching:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGTzClbwkc8
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wFnqY2S2dM
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlr0qf0eTHU

And still another reason -- and what makes the mind-numbing and intellect-destroying effects of television even worse -- is the extent to which many if not most people have been chemically lobotomized:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBKf-r9JEIU
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFu_bYkomc
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« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2009, 11:16:03 AM »

Sane! 

I just watched that "Jesus Camp"  video. I am trying not to barf.  Really! 

This crap sickens me to no end.  Yes I am a believer, in Jesus , tongues, holy spirit, bible, yes pentacostal.

BUT  they are not supposed to touch the kids  with this !!!
 
These gits incense me!

The age of accountability is age 13, as per bilble.

The speaking of tongues is no-one elses business but one's own, so public display of tongues is a no-no.

At the opening, that fat-ass was talking about fat people who wouldn't stop  eating (how much you wanna bet she has a 'glandular' problem and can't help it?)

This woman should be charged with child abuse.  (lets see #1 brainwashing  #2 she is the only adult in a room full of about 500 kids (how many real christian day care centers were shut down for too few adults?   #3  teaching children that one can speak gobbledygook (tongues) in public is something to be proud of. Please know: the scriptures are clear about the speaking of tongues!  not one child was ever 'taken over by the Holy Spirit'

oh!  I could go on and on but I am really nauseous!
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« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2009, 11:21:16 AM »

When I connect the dots, It makes me feel isolated.So I go on the prison planet forum, And I feel A little better. Not so isolated, It is hard to laugh When most everyone has a blindfold on.
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« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2009, 11:53:20 AM »

And still another reason -- and what makes the mind-numbing and intellect-destroying effects of television even worse -- is the extent to which many if not most people have been chemically lobotomized:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBKf-r9JEIU
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFu_bYkomc

Yes, based on observing friends & a family members who take anti-depressants, I think one of the purposes of anti-depressants is to numb the normal emotions of anger, sadness, & fear, that it is normal to feel in many situations.

Admittedly, depression can become debilitating.  If a person becomes suicidal, or stops taking care of their teeth (as an example of how a mental health setback can damage your physical health), then, sure, better living through chemistry.

BUT, what I see people doing is taking anti-depressants for extended periods, and pretending "everything is OK" - and avoiding information that might upset that apple cart.  Basically, retreating to a world of delusion.

I'm not saying people should spend hours a day reading all the terrible news - you can read the news for 15 minutes & get the basic idea.  You can know that terrible things are happening in Iraq, without knowing the latest body-count.

I think it's very important for Truth-ers to put or have in place nutrition & stress management programs to help them function at a high level.  e.g. eating 8-12 fruits & vegetables a day, getting multiple sources of protein, drinking lots of (quality) water, abundant exercise.  Even more so for whistleblowers who are in the public eye, and dealing with attorneys and other nasties hired to defend corporate America.
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« Reply #109 on: April 19, 2009, 10:21:12 PM »

I can't find a better topic to post this on, but it does have to do with miseducation and connecting the dots.
 
I heard the speech of Robert Welch (John Birch Society) today on Alex's Sunday broadcast, and I found myself surprisingly in agreement with most of what he said. Coming up in the liberal milieu and the New Left, I was taught to regard the John Birch Society as a boogey man - probably neo-fascist.
 
I don't know how much truth is in Hatter's "facts" in his attack on Welch at http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=91648.0  He seems to be telling us that Welch is "a communist agent" and "an agent of Rockefeller". Frankly, I suspect that his exposure of Welch there is rubbish.
 
It may surprise you that people who are serious followers of Karl Marx don't regard the famous "then America will fall like a ripe plum" as a call to destroy America. Certainly Marx didn't mean this. Only a brain-dead bootlicker of Stalin, who believe that despot was a great "revolutionary", pervert what Marx said to mean this. The idea is that America would join the world alliance of revolutionary workers on the road to their emancipation; and, in the course of that, the American workers and other oppressed would lay their hands on the considerable resources of American industry and open them up to full employment. Marx and Engels thought this could be done in America under the Constitution. Defense of the Constitution is regarded, by most genuine American Marxists, as a supportable democratic principle. Marxism, except in the eyes of Stalinist degenerates, came about as a way to carry out the democratic tasks which the co-opters of the bougeois revolutions -- the American, French, English, and others -- came to regard as dangerous to their monopolistic rule. Thus, the extension of human rights to people of color and women, for instance, was fought against by the bourgeois establishment.
 
Where I, or any other real Marxist, would have to disagree with Robert Welch is in the way he uses the word "communist". There is no distinction between the counter-revolutionary, totalitarian distortion of the communist ideology under Stalin and his heirs or of the foundation "Left", and the struggle of emancipation by the workers' movements in various lands from the feudalist slavery which characterizes financial capitalism in its degeneracy. But obviously he is referring in his speech to the Stalinist perversion, which we also regard as a form of despotism.
 
We Marxists believe that as many peaceful, legal steps should be taken as possible; so that's another agreement with what Robert Welch says. Where we would disagree with him is in his conviction that gradual change will be enough. Firstly, the financial and corporate masters will not let us do it gradually and peacefully. All previous history shows that an entrenched tyranny will try to defend itself with violence and despotism. There have been instances in the past when the working people and their allies could force reforms from the ruling elite, but this is becoming less and less possible. It may be that there will be periods of reaction followed by periods of minimal progress. But eventually a national movement will be necessary to pull together all pro-Constitutional, anti-racist, and workers'-rights activists for an uncompromising defense of our individual and natural rights - and, yes, our right to free and unfettered enterprise under just laws. We Marxists believe that this can only be done by making allies across national borders in an international revolution of the oppressed.
   
The members and followers of The John Birch Society are not our natural enemies. And genuine Marxists are not enemies of freedom. "Communism needs democracy like the human body needs oxygen," said Leon Trotsky. We just have a more radical idea of what freedom means. It means for us the eventual smashing of all governments because we believe that governments are nothing more than instruments of rule by a privileged class over the class of men and women it exploits for its enrichment.
 
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