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« on: March 05, 2009, 01:24:03 PM »

great to see people speaking up and asking questions. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi0YS5j9P2Y
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2009, 02:09:47 PM »

Yeah - did you see the Ron Paul one too?

Looks like ol' Bernanke is being roasted by more than one chef, lol
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2009, 04:24:57 PM »

Listening to it now on Alex's podcast....sounded more like a slow roast.  Can't believe Bernanke said no to him! 

My question is...doesn't Mr. Bernanke take an oath when he speaks before Congress?  If so, and if he's refusing to answer a question from Senator Sanders, isn't that in the neighborhood of perjury?
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2009, 04:27:32 PM »

Bernake is dispicable. He has sold his soul for a loaf of bread and a warm place in hell.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2009, 04:39:49 PM »

wow that was ridiculous!  Benny boy dodged every single question!

I love the part where he responds to the senator's questions by saying, "all the information on who has received the bailout money is on our website."

haha, then the senator says, "So, who received the money?"

to which Bernanke says, "I can't tell you."

haha so, he just up front lied under oath about his website?

So retarded, our govt is nothing but a shill and congress is purely ceremonial at this point, they have no power!

The Fed basically just said, we'll do what we want, such a dick!
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2009, 05:04:16 PM »

We need to see more of this from our Congressmen and Senators.  Sanders and Ron Paul are the only ones standing up to this criminal. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2009, 05:50:42 PM »

A transcript would be very welcome...

[hint hint nudge nudge]
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2009, 05:56:35 PM »

A transcript would be very welcome...

[hint hint nudge nudge]

yeah, i'll get right on that one.  just as soon as i get some of that bail-out money and i can take some time off of work.   Grin
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2009, 06:27:48 PM »

Bernie Sanders (a Democratic Socialist) has been bashing Bernanke's brains since he was appointed, and before him Alan Greenspan.
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2009, 06:31:11 PM »

Bernie Sanders (a Democratic Socialist) has been bashing Bernanke's brains since he was appointed, and before him Alan Greenspan.

My understanding is that he has always been an independent.  But I agree that he leans socialist.  I also agree that representatives of the federal reserve shiver when confronting the honorable Mr. Sanders almost as much as when they confront the good Dr. Paul.

Rep. Bernard Sanders vs. Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan when he was in the House

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBnKh6B2cMw
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2009, 06:35:30 PM »

My understanding is that he has always been an independent.  But I agree that he leans socialist.  I also agree that representatives of the federal reserve shiver when confronting the honorable Mr. Sanders almost as much as when they confront the good Dr. Paul.

Rep. Bernard Sanders vs. Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan when he was in the House

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBnKh6B2cMw

A Democratic Socialist is not a "Democrat" it's an entirely different thing. He openly says he is a Democratic Socialist. That's a facet of the large political spectrum not a left/right thing.
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2009, 06:41:25 PM »

A Democratic Socialist is not a "Democrat" it's an entirely different thing. He openly says he is a Democratic Socialist. That's a facet of the large political spectrum not a left/right thing.

cool, thanks.  I never heard of that term before. Guess I need to listen to sanders more. On that note, I give you this...

Senator Bernie Sanders Bailout

18 minute version: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2104130078307650898
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2009, 06:53:05 PM »

I saw that live on TV, was loving every second of it.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2009, 07:02:34 PM »

I saw that live on TV, was loving every second of it.

That extra large poster of Henry Paulson is priceless.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2009, 07:13:02 PM »

It doesn't matter how many questions they ask.. They only answer to themselves... its like berating your neighbor about how they spend money.. Or worse.. your parents.  you have no control over their actions.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2009, 09:34:24 AM »

Fed Refuses to Release Bank Data, Insists on Secrecy (Update3)
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March 5 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve Board of Governors receives daily reports on bailout loans to financial institutions and won’t make the information public, the central bank said in a reply to a Bloomberg News lawsuit.

The Fed refused yesterday to disclose the names of the borrowers and the loans, alleging that it would cast “a stigma” on recipients of more than $1.9 trillion of emergency credit from U.S. taxpayers and the assets the central bank is accepting as collateral.

Fed secrecy was the focus of a Senate Banking Committee hearing today in which the panel’s top two members said the central bank’s reluctance to identify companies benefiting from the American International Group Inc. bailout risks undermining public confidence in the government.

“If the American taxpayer’s money is at stake, and it is, big time, I believe the American taxpayers, the people, and this committee, we need to know who benefited, where this money went,” said Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama, the committee’s top Republican. “There is no transparency here. We are going to find out.”

The bank provides “select members and staff of the Board of Governors with daily and weekly reports” on Primary Dealer Credit Facility borrowing, said Susan E. McLaughlin, a senior vice president in the markets group of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in a sworn statement. The documents “include the names of the primary dealers that have borrowed from the PDCF, individual loan amounts, composition of securities pledged and rates for specific loans.”

Information Shared

The Board of Governors contends that it’s separate from its member banks, including the Federal Reserve Bank of New York which runs the lending programs. Most documents relevant to the Bloomberg suit are at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which isn’t subject to FOIA law, according to the Fed. The Board of Governors has 231 pages of documents, which it is denying access to under an exemption under trade secrets.

“I would assume that information would be shared by the Fed and the New York Fed,” said U.S. Representative Scott Garrett, a New Jersey Republican. “At some point, the demand for transparency is paramount to any demand that they have for secrecy.”

Bloomberg sued Nov. 7 under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, requesting details about the terms of 11 Fed lending programs.

The Bloomberg lawsuit said the collateral lists “are central to understanding and assessing the government’s response to the most cataclysmic financial crisis in America since the Great Depression.”

‘Deeply Troubled’

Fed Vice Chairman Donald Kohn told the Senate panel today that revealing the names of AIG’s counterparties would make companies less likely to do business with any recipient of government aid, risking further turmoil at the insurer and financial markets.

“I don’t consider that an adequate” response, “to put it mildly,” Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, told Kohn at the hearing. “The public is deeply, deeply troubled.”

Shelby told the Fed vice chairman that “your answer here is very disturbing.”

“People want to know what you’ve done with this money,” he said.

Kohn said the Fed wouldn’t reveal the counterparties in Maiden Lane III, a company formed by the central bank to purchase collateralized debt obligations on which AIG’s financial products unit had written credit-default swaps.

“The Fed and the Treasury can be secretive for a while, but not forever,” Shelby said.

Commercial, Consumer Loans

The Fed stepped into a rescue role that was the original purpose of the Treasury’s $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. The central bank’s loans don’t have the oversight safeguards that Congress imposed upon the TARP.

Total Fed lending exceeded $2 trillion for the first time Nov. 6 after rising by 138 percent, or $1.23 trillion, in the 12 weeks since Sept. 14, when central bank governors relaxed collateral standards to accept securities that weren’t rated AAA. Fed lending as of Feb. 25 was $1.92 billion.

On Feb. 23, the Fed disclosed a breakdown by broad categories for $1.81 trillion of collateral pledged by banks and bond dealers as of Dec. 17 after Congress demanded more transparency from the central bank.

$11.7 Trillion

The largest portions of collateral being held by the Fed at that time were $456 billion in commercial loans, $203 billion in consumer loans and $159 billion in residential mortgages, according to the central bank’s Web site. It didn’t identify any loans or provide their credit ratings and said it will update the figures about every two months.

Government loans, spending or guarantees to rescue the country’s financial system total more than $11.7 trillion since the international credit crisis began in August 2007, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. In return, banks left collateral with the central bank that effectively acts as a credit line that lenders can draw on without posting additional assets.

Bloomberg News, a unit of New York-based Bloomberg LP, on May 21 asked the Fed to provide data on collateral posted from April 4 to May 20. The central bank said June 19 that it needed until July 3 to search documents and determine whether it would make them public. Bloomberg didn’t receive a formal response that would let it file an appeal within the legal time limit.

‘Unprecedented Crisis’

On Oct. 25, Bloomberg filed another request, expanding the range of when the collateral was posted. It sued Nov. 7.

In response to Bloomberg’s request, the Fed said the U.S. is facing “an unprecedented crisis” in which “loss in confidence in and between financial institutions can occur with lightning speed and devastating effects.”

Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and then Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in September they would meet congressional demands for transparency in a $700 billion bailout of the banking system.

Banks oppose any release of information because that might signal weakness and spur short-selling or a run by depositors, the Fed argued in its response.

“Rumors that Citibank might be borrow at the DW (discount window) in the early 1990s reportedly sparked runs of some of its offices in Asia,” said Brian Madigan, the Fed’s director of the Division of Monetary Affairs, in a sworn statement.

The Freedom of Information Act obliges federal agencies to make government documents available to the press and public. The Bloomberg lawsuit, filed in New York, doesn’t seek money damages.

“You could make everything a trade secret,” said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Arlington, Virginia-based Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

The case is Bloomberg LP v. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, 08-CV-9595, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2009, 04:00:10 PM »

Great job Sen. Sanders, good American!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bernanke, a snake in the grass, sociopathic parrasite. Quick, clever and rotten to the core.
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2009, 04:18:46 PM »

BTW, the Fox News Business Channel also sued either the treasury or the fed (can't remember which) under the Freedom Of Information Act over disclosure of TARP funds.  I think they actually beat Bloomberg to it.  The more, the merrier!

I don't have a link, but did see it scrolling across the TV screen a couple of weeks ago.  FYI, just in case others were not aware of this.
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2009, 06:10:22 PM »

Here are the links arranged in chronological order....

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/fox-business-wins-foia-lawsuit-treasury/

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/fed-rejects-fbn-request-federal-loans-information/

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/media/fox-business-network-sues-treasury-department-failure-respond-freedom/

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/media/fox-business-network-sues-federal-reserve-non-compliance-freedom-information/

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/fox-business-sues-treasury-failure-respond-freedom-information-act-requests/
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2009, 06:20:50 PM »


Fox Business Channel has been screwed by CNBC/GE for market share when CNBC got everything wrong.

Thanks for the info and links
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2009, 12:46:06 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUJIG3JNPk0
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2009, 07:22:50 AM »

He won't say because most of it went to banks in foreign countries, including South Korea, Singapore, New Zealand, and European countries.

One bank in little Denmark got $30 Billion.

Imagine how the American people would react if they knew $30 Billion of their money went to a bank in Denmark while there was a debate in congress about $20 Billion for the American auto industry, and foreign banks are getting taxpayer dollars cheap while some Americans pay 25% to 30% credit card interest.

I do agree with Bernanke that these are not risky loans, as most of them are guaranteed by the foreign governments, but that wouldn't do much to dampen the anger of Americans if Bernanke was forced to tell the truth.

Also, the figure is much higher than $2 Trillion, being closer to $10 Trillion.

Sanders just needs to do his homework--why didn't he know the figure was $10 Trillion and most of the money is going to foreign banks?

Also, why doesn't Alex mention that most of the money went to foreign banks?
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2009, 11:07:48 AM »

He won't say because most of it went to banks in foreign countries, including South Korea, Singapore, New Zealand, and European countries.

One bank in little Denmark got $30 Billion.

Imagine how the American people would react if they knew $30 Billion of their money went to a bank in Denmark while there was a debate in congress about $20 Billion for the American auto industry, and foreign banks are getting taxpayer dollars cheap while some Americans pay 25% to 30% credit card interest.

I do agree with Bernanke that these are not risky loans, as most of them are guaranteed by the foreign governments, but that wouldn't do much to dampen the anger of Americans if Bernanke was forced to tell the truth.

Also, the figure is much higher than $2 Trillion, being closer to $10 Trillion.

Sanders just needs to do his homework--why didn't he know the figure was $10 Trillion and most of the money is going to foreign banks?

Also, why doesn't Alex mention that most of the money went to foreign banks?

The beneficiaries of the government's bailout of American International Group Inc. include at least two dozen U.S. and foreign financial institutions that have been paid roughly $50 billion since the Federal Reserve first extended aid to the insurance giant.

Among those institutions are Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Germany's Deutsche Bank AG, each of which received roughly $6 billion in payments between mid-September and December 2008, according to a confidential document and people familiar with the matter.

Other banks that received large payouts from AIG late last year include Merrill Lynch, now part of Bank of America Corp., and French bank Societe Generale SA.

More than a dozen firms with smaller exposures to AIG also received payouts, including Morgan Stanley, Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC and HSBC Holdings PLC, according to the confidential document.

The names of all of AIG's derivative counterparties and the money they have received from taxpayers still isn't known, but The Wall Street Journal has identified some of them and is publishing others for the first time.

The AIG bailout has become a political hot potato as the risk of losses to U.S. taxpayers rises. This past week, legislators demanded that the Federal Reserve disclose names of financial firms that have received money from AIG, which Fed officials have described as too systemically important in the financial system to be allowed to fail.

The Fed rescued AIG in September with an $85 billion credit line when investment losses and collateral demands from banks threatened to send the firm into bankruptcy court. A bankruptcy filing would have caused losses and problems for financial institutions and policyholders globally that were relying on AIG to insure them against losses.

Part of AIG's business was to insure bank's investments in complex securities, much of which have now gone bad in the plunging housing market. This has forced AIG to pay out to the banks, including some European banks, apparently with portions of its bailout money.

Since September, the government has had to extend more aid to AIG as its woes have deepened; the rescue package now has swelled to more than $173 billion.

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2009, 11:10:51 AM »

The beneficiaries of the government's bailout of American International Group Inc. include at least two dozen U.S. and foreign financial institutions that have been paid roughly $50 billion since the Federal Reserve first extended aid to the insurance giant.

Among those institutions are Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Germany's Deutsche Bank AG, each of which received roughly $6 billion in payments between mid-September and December 2008, according to a confidential document and people familiar with the matter.

Other banks that received large payouts from AIG late last year include Merrill Lynch, now part of Bank of America Corp., and French bank Societe Generale SA.

More than a dozen firms with smaller exposures to AIG also received payouts, including Morgan Stanley, Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC and HSBC Holdings PLC, according to the confidential document.

The names of all of AIG's derivative counterparties and the money they have received from taxpayers still isn't known, but The Wall Street Journal has identified some of them and is publishing others for the first time.

The AIG bailout has become a political hot potato as the risk of losses to U.S. taxpayers rises. This past week, legislators demanded that the Federal Reserve disclose names of financial firms that have received money from AIG, which Fed officials have described as too systemically important in the financial system to be allowed to fail.

The Fed rescued AIG in September with an $85 billion credit line when investment losses and collateral demands from banks threatened to send the firm into bankruptcy court. A bankruptcy filing would have caused losses and problems for financial institutions and policyholders globally that were relying on AIG to insure them against losses.

Part of AIG's business was to insure bank's investments in complex securities, much of which have now gone bad in the plunging housing market. This has forced AIG to pay out to the banks, including some European banks, apparently with portions of its bailout money.

Since September, the government has had to extend more aid to AIG as its woes have deepened; the rescue package now has swelled to more than $173 billion.



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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2009, 11:15:24 AM »

i think that when the mass of sheep/people wake up to the fact that their tax money has been shipped out of the country it is going to get ugly. , but thats why they have REX 84 on standby and what not.
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« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2009, 04:48:56 PM »

My understanding is that he [Bernie Sanders] has always been an independent.  But I agree that he leans socialist.
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My understanding is that he has always been an independent.  But I agree that he leans socialist.
A Democratic Socialist is not a "Democrat" it's an entirely different thing. He openly says he is a Democratic Socialist. That's a facet of the large political spectrum not a left/right thing.
 
Bernie Sanders is a member of the Social Democrats of America. They do not even use the word "party" in the United States. I have friends who are Social Democrats and they are not basically bad people. However, the international (def.: transnational association of political parties sharing the same program) which they belong to is Fabian Socialist and very bad news. They are anti-Marxist, if not in word then in deed. I loathe to use the name "socialist" to apply to social democrats because they have co-opted the name, in a similar way as unrighteous "Christians" have co-opted the name "Christian": it's almost as bad as saying that Hitler was a "socialist" because the Nazis styled themselves "National Socialists" (by the way, the economy of Nazi Germany was what is called in economics a "free-market economy", not a "command economy"). 
   
Sanders and the leadership of the Social Democrats know that working people in the U.S. will at some point begin seriously to question the capitalist system and look for alternatives. The role of the Social Democrats, as elsewhere, is to derail the workers and herd them back into the capitalist system by presenting their alternative of a "reformed" capitalism with a "human face". In Germany in the 1930s, they were the "Trojan Horse of Fascism". In Portugal in the early '70s, they halted the Portuguese Revolution by burning the offices of the Portuguese Communist Party - which was potentially moving beyond Stalinism toward a genuinely revolutionary direction.
 
The name "Social Democrat" comes from the name of the Marxist workingmen and workingwomen's organizations in Europe and elsewhere, which were once revolutionary. They were not "democrats" in the sense in which U.S. imperialism uses it (Noam Chomsky has exposed the deeply un-democratic use of the word "democratic" by imperialists), nor were they "democrats" in the rhetorical sense in which the U.S. Democratic Party uses it. They were true democrats, aiming at the eventual rule of the people (actually, the name should be "laocrat" [Greek laos "people", as opposed to demos "patrician class"], but that's another discussion). The authentic revolutionaries left the Social Democratic parties of Europe and elsewhere following their support of the Great War of 1914-18 of the imperialist powers.
 
The apparent dichotomy between the popular Right and the popular Left is a false dichotomy, a false paradym. The rank and file of these organizations are for popular sovereignty, free and private enterprise, and the unfettered right of free expression. An honest and careful reading of Marx and Engel's Communist Manifesto will show that they and the International Workingmen's Association (for which this founding document was written) did not oppose private property nor private enterprise as such, but only the form exercised by the bourgeois (American "burgess") classes - who hide behind these ideals to defend their class rule and draw the working class into providing cannon fodder for their aspirations of global rule. Marx makes this clear in others of his writings. One must then ask the question: do we avoid the names "libertarian", "John Birch", "socialist", and "communist" because the labels have been bloodied and soiled by those who have misused them for their own perverse ends? Should we do this with the name "Christian"?
 
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