Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?

[cover fire hero]

Hmm, that would've originated with the Indo-Europeans. Enoch came from the Abrahamic tribes thousands of years before any knowledge of astrology was ever recorded, and that tribe wasn't the one as fixated on the stars. Writing wasn't invented, so it will be difficult to pinpoint the origin, but we can see that the Indo-Europeans based their belief system on what they saw above when they set themselves up as gods over despairing masses and built all the monuments pointing at certain stars, as well as stonehenge, and observatories. We can also see they were similarly sophisticated in the Americas on the other side of the world and followed a similar belief system as they mapped the heavens and pretended to be gods. I can only reason it must've been established before the Indo-European tribes spread out to form nations and city states while the Abrahamic tribes developed monotheism.

[SongBird]

..I can only reason it must've been established before the Indo-European tribes spread out to form nations and city states while the Abrahamic tribes developed monotheism.

Thank's friend, much appreciated indeed.

[Joe Stirling]

Yes Masons are 100% criminal protectors of pedophiles, murderers and drug dealing

[whoknowswhat]

Doesn't this clear it all up? or isn't this guy a real freemason?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhd-DsfVqfI

[ramicio]

I know the Illuminati are satanic mind controllers, with crazy symbolism, and pretty much rule all media and art.  Well, masonry falls under that.  But the masons, such as the founding fathers were Christianly religious.  I know masonry today is not the same as then.  I don't even know what my question is.  I just don't get it.  Was their religion and good morals a front?  Is masonry just a way for the Illuminati to secretly control well meaning people?  Was masonry back then a secret society for good people to keep things from the Illuminati?

[EvadingGrid]

You have to draw a difference between the average Freemason and the inner elite circle of Freemasons.

Not all Freemasons are equal.

What you need to digest is that most Freemasons can only advance to the third degree and never hear any conspiracies.

There are however a smaller group of Scottish Rite Freemasons.
They have 33 degrees.

Google "Scottish Rite" and "Albert Pike", because in the end you need to do some research to gain real understanding.

[ramicio]

What I'm most concerned with is understanding the founding fathers, their use of the same Illuminati satanic symbolism, while having their supposed devout Christian religion.  Were they only low-order masons?  Their is a Scottish Rite Cathedral a few miles from my house.  I was told as a kid that they sacrifice goats and even kill people in there.

[Jackson Holly]

I know the Illuminati are satanic mind controllers, with crazy symbolism, and pretty much rule all media and art.  Well, masonry falls under that.  But the masons, such as the founding fathers were Christianly religious.  I know masonry today is not the same as then.  I don't even know what my question is.  I just don't get it.  Was their religion and good morals a front?  Is masonry just a way for the Illuminati to secretly control well meaning people?  Was masonry back then a secret society for good people to keep things from the Illuminati?

If you are new to this ... go right to the source:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

This is Albert Pike's Moral and Dogma, considered by
most the Bible of masonry (in the last century). It is
mostly about paganism ... not too much rites.

After getting this under your belt then tackle
some of their history, which can be found easily online.

'Porch' or 'blue' masons (first three degrees) often
are not aware of the big picture ... the 'elite' members
are selected for advancement from the blues.

CFR / Bilderberg  and other 'think tanks' are today's
version of the secret society.

This book will be a great background for the areas you
seem to be interested in ... written by a Mason, it is as
"positive" as can be ... very thorough on the
founding fathers and early history of US:

http://www.amazon.com/Solomons-Builders-Freemasons-Founding-Washington/dp/1569755795

Solomon's Builders: Freemasons, Founding Fathers
and the Secrets of Washington D.C.

 ... about $7.00 used.


~> Were the founding fathers low-level?
Well, Ben Franklin was "Provincial Grand Master"
of the state of Pennsylvania.

[tritonman]

Hidden Faith of The Founding Fathers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ynbnRJHNGc
See if this can help you out some..

[tinfoiltruth]

just because someone says they are christians doesnt make them christians.


by there fruits they will be known.

I dont know of much Christian fruits from the founding fathers.

I beleive they were christian so they could exploit people. taking a page out of the roman catholic church book of indoctrination.

[ramicio]

The mention that our rights are from God our creator is why I say they were religious.  Why would the founding fathers exploit people, yet come up with such amazing documents to make humans free?  They could have just became rulers instead if they wanted to exploit people.

[tinfoiltruth]

The mention that our rights are from God our creator is why I say they were religious.  Why would the founding fathers exploit people, yet come up with such amazing documents to make humans free?  They could have just became rulers instead if they wanted to exploit people.

there desires, and goals are more then they immediate. if you spend some time studying the endgame of the Elite(masons, Illuminati) any of those cults, they have 1000 year goals not lifetime goals. the founding fathers were what set the world up for what is happening today. sometimes to enslave someone you have to make them think they are free.

[Jackson Holly]

The mention that our rights are from God our creator is why I say they were religious.  Why would the founding fathers exploit people, yet come up with such amazing documents to make humans free?  They could have just became rulers instead if they wanted to exploit people.

It is the nature of Masonry to 'play both sides'
for one thing. They play on the natural desires
of Man to be free ... so they go on endlessly
about their Utopian "Rights of Man" while
basically they mean, "To be from the old monarchical
rulers ... and subservient to the NEW WORLD ORDER
ruled by the money men."

The great documents grew out of the Utopian
and 'Enlightened' pamphleteering of the day,
began really since the printing press startup ...
also, Bacon's New Atlantis and other such
Masonic/Rosicrucian lore ... and from the
various 'constitutions' of the lodges themselves.

[EvadingGrid]

Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: Volume One -- The New Atlantis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duRdkyjHpx0

[somsak]

You guys have me worried. Freemasonry was a common fraternity which involved a large portion of men at the time of the founding fathers.  Seriously, if you think the constitution was all a ruse to give us liberty only to take it away later you are deluded.  What is your proposed solution to keep government to the minimal level and to guarantee people's inalienable rights?

The fruits of the founding fathers were good. Are you saying that Jefferson was doublethinking when he wrote these words:
 "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure."  

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."  September 23, 1800

Do you sincerely believe he was anything but sincere?  What is your proof otherwise?

[tinfoiltruth]

You guys have me worried. Freemasonry was a common fraternity which involved a large portion of men at the time of the founding fathers.  Seriously, if you think the constitution was all a ruse to give us liberty only to take it away later you are deluded.  What is your proposed solution to keep government to the minimal level and to guarantee people's inalienable rights?

The fruits of the founding fathers were good. Are you saying that Jefferson was doublethinking when he wrote these words:
 "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure."  

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."  September 23, 1800

Do you sincerely believe he was anything but sincere?  What is your proof otherwise?

I cant say I have proof, but the "Fraternity's" they are apart of are sinister at best. what they created was good, and created a strong foundation. but the groups that they associated themselves with were not of good nature.

[tritonman]

Somsak, do not paint with such a broad brush.  The "you guys" bit is getting old,  we do not all think exactly alike here as you are soon to find out .  Watch the video's provided and you may understand things a bit better and also why we linked them for your use..

[Jackson Holly]

somsak:

Do you sincerely believe he was anything but sincere?  What is your proof otherwise?

This is a difficult question. SO many of my favorite heroes turn out to be freemasons ... authors, musicians, religious leaders, soldiers, entertainers, astronauts, you name it ... not just the founding fathers. Then when you scratch beneath the surface of the Masons you discover the ONE WORLD ORDER writ LARGE!

You can google "List of Famous Masons" and start to get a notion of their "Who's Who" ... but it IS a secret society and for good reasons they don't always want to come out of the closet ... but when you start to study the letters and private papers you do find references to their lodges, etc.

Jefferson wasn't a Mason, BTW. And there were many competing forces within the system ... and there were representatives of all those forces (Ancients/Moderns - Nobility/Commoners) within the US at the time ... many were in support of the European Elite and gave only lip service to the "Rights of Man" because they knew the eventual outcome in either case would be a Democracy-in-Name-Only with the same old families at the helm.

[TahoeBlue]

see: First Ever Masonic Inaugural Ball To Be Held For Obama  


for fun: The Beatles Masonic album title  

[RB]

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http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/breaking_news/obama_names_orthodox_jew_next_chief_staff

Obama Names Orthodox Jew As Next Chief Of Staff

[RB]

So, US Government + Illuminati = Apocalypses Today.



 

[Jackson Holly]

[RB]

[TahoeBlue]

Secret societies of America's elite:
from the Knights Templar to Skull and Bones

Editorial Review - Cahners Business Information (c) 2003

An expose of the dark and critical role secret societies play within the ruling families in America and their influence on American democracy, current events, and world history.

Despite the promise of its somewhat lurid title and cover, this odd combination of scholarship and speculation does not really have what it takes to capture the attention of a general reading audience.

Its extremely broad theme is that "from the time of the Crusades to modern years, a handful of families have controlled the course of world events and have built their own status and wealth through collective efforts and intermarriage.

" Sora, who covered much of the same material in his earlier The Lost Treasure of the Knights Templar, connects the leaders of the 14th-century French military group the Knights Templar to 18th-century pirates such as Captain Kidd as well as Revolutionary heroes such as Benjamin Franklin.

Sora provides some interesting insights into each subject: the business organization and acumen of the Knights Templar made them, in effect, "the first ever multinational corporation"; William Kidd was a businessman with ties to Scottish Masonic private clubs; and Franklin's efforts to keep the colonials supplied and funded meant that he "operated through Masonic groups in England and France, and his partners in the pro-American war efforts were more often than not hedonists, occultists, Rosicrucians, slave traders and spies."

 But his general attempt to connect Masonic groups to more current events like the J.F.K. assassination is on far shakier ground, and a final chapter on Yale's legendary Skull and Bones fraternity seems tacked on to book only to allow Sora to argue-but never prove-that "coincidences point to an elite handful of interlocking relationships that have a hold over national affairs." (Mar.)

see also:

Really interesting report on early  Jewish Sephardic Pirates and why...

http://www.ahava.org/SephardicPiratesoftheRevolutionaryWar.pdf
Sephardic Pirates of the Revolutionary War - Presenter: Jim Harlow

Co-sponsored by: Addison-Penzak Jewish Community Center Silicon Valley
http://www.svjcc.org/

Motives of Jewish Piracy
• Spanish Sephardic pirates were generally attempting to reclaim what was stolen from them in 1492.

[mymomentummedia]

Here is a great overview and understanding to Freemasonry
Its in depth and goes into understanding the perspectives and why one might become a mason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1D3X7D3Jeg