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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2007, 02:43:30 pm »
Wow man that is pretty heavy- a lot of hatred for a group of people that you don't even know. Sounds like you need an excuse or scapegoat.


Pike and his plan for 3 World Wars to bring about the NWO is a disgrace of a human being.

Freemasons claim to be decent yet they engage is pathetic and twisted rituals, take an oath which is a vile disgrace to any decent person, and then defend the criminals that run THEIR organisation.

All of the world's top criminals are in the freemasons, the Illuminati controls the Freemasons, yet nairy a bloody word from them (Bush family, Saddam, etc etc etc - the list is endless and includes ALL of the NWO'ers).

If you masons are so decent why are you so silent about the NWO, Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg Group, Order of the Knights of Malta and all the rest of the scum?

If you are so decent why do you have those awful rituals with ugly hats, and nooses, and purple gowns and blindfolds etc etc?

Freemasonry is being controlled by evil men, and yet all the decent lower down people do is defend them!! WAKE UP guys.

Yes of course most lower level freemasons are good folk, but none of you seem concerned that the craft is controlled by evil men, lucifarians, all of the world's biggest murders are 32/33 degree masons or in the Illuminati ranks above those.

And yet all you people do is say "Oh why doesn't he like the Freemasons? Why are Freemasons considered a bit pathetic and dirty?"

On Topsecret.com people who object to the freemasons and their role in society are called haters, because the secret societies board has been hijacked by freemasons. Until Freemasons get rid of their evil rulers they should feel a bit hated.

I do essentially hate your organisation and find the MO quite disgusting, even at the lower 3 levels, bloody corrupt and think they have a right to interfere in people's business, and yet do not raise a bloody word against the evil higher ups.   

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« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2007, 04:23:45 pm »
to any non-masons here, and to masons

The above comment is EXACTLY what I mean.

Anyone who raises the issues which have been covered by researchers time and time again gets dismissed as a hater.

Why sir, corsig are you so unmoved by the scum that control your organisation. Does it not bother you that ALL of the worlds most evil men are freemasons. Does it not bother you that the Illuminati, Bildebergers, Skull and Bones all control freemasonry?

Are you not concerned, instead spending your time coming on here and belittling those who raise points about freemasonry? Are you really that blind/ Do you not carte at all and are just bothered about spinning things to make freemasonry lookm good, regardless of who is pulling the strings behind the scenes?

This is exactly what is wrong with  the snobbery inherent in the brotherhood, a self satisfied blindness and stupidity, just like the average US citizen who thinks the  WMD deception was a simple mistake and there is no way Bush and co did 9-11? Blind sheeple who are fed lies and often believe them, that is what you sound like.
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2007, 04:30:44 pm »
I have not seen one ounce of proof that these things happen.

As I said before why have there been no reports in any paper, tv, magazine..etc that there is corruption. The only place it happens is on the internet. And I know your going to say those mediums are controlled by the masons but ONE report would leak out eventually and it has never happened.

It's too easy to believe that there is something going on with no proof what so ever.

Regardless- I'm waiting to hear AJ's opinion because I am very interested in what he says.

Hopefully he can shed some light.

On a side note I met someone at the gym wearing a "9-11 Truth" T-shirt we we chatted for a while. He's going to the NYC event in September maybe I'll go with him.

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2007, 05:25:51 pm »

Are you not concerned, instead spending your time coming on here and belittling those who raise points about freemasonry? Are you really that blind/ Do you not carte at all and are just bothered about spinning things to make freemasonry lookm good, regardless of who is pulling the strings behind the scenes?


I don't think he has belittled anyone.  If anything, you are the one who has already done the belittling.  You have provided no order to any argument.  Your own confusion has led you to rant.
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2007, 07:09:29 pm »
Spoken like a true member of the Craft, with a tone of inherent snobbery, like all craftsmen.
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2007, 10:44:37 pm »

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a God, but it is the God one adores without superstition.... The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion to science, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him? "Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods.... Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."
 

The quote is from Miller Edith Starr's book, Occult Theocrasy. (did some quick research) 

"The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic Religion 'is the belief in Lucifer"

So, based upon your zeal of this quote, you can come to the conclusion that Albert Pike is not a Satanist ... and that you are going to need further research into the meaning of Lucifer.

And let us look into the word "Adonai" (I and Y have the same meaning in Hebrew).

The problem is that the founder of the Theosophical Society Helena Blavatsky (which seems to be at the centre of all this) says that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same. However she also says that the Kabbalists says that the true name of Satan is Jehovah placed upside down.

In truth this is not an easy subject to put across in a few words because the truth is complex.

But here's the bottom line, freemasons are anti-religion and insincere and this can be proven. The higher degrees even lie to there own and is a recruiting ground for other groups who have a dangerous agenda.

Adonai is the angel of the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:11) who do you suppose that might be? This entity is revered under the name of Abadon in the ritual for the 17th degree of the Scottish Rite freemasonry.

That's Pike's lodge who has it's US southern headquarters on the 33 degree parallel.

Here's a question you can ask a freemason in order to tie him up.

If the Craft admits all religions does this include the church of Satan? In their view who exactly is the Grand Architect of the Universe?   
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2007, 10:46:24 pm »
Pike and his plan for 3 World Wars to bring about the NWO is a disgrace of a human being.

Freemasons claim to be decent yet they engage is pathetic and twisted rituals, take an oath which is a vile disgrace to any decent person, and then defend the criminals that run THEIR organisation.

All of the world's top criminals are in the freemasons, the Illuminati controls the Freemasons, yet nairy a bloody word from them (Bush family, Saddam, etc etc etc - the list is endless and includes ALL of the NWO'ers).

If you masons are so decent why are you so silent about the NWO, Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg Group, Order of the Knights of Malta and all the rest of the scum?

If you are so decent why do you have those awful rituals with ugly hats, and nooses, and purple gowns and blindfolds etc etc?

Freemasonry is being controlled by evil men, and yet all the decent lower down people do is defend them!! WAKE UP guys.

Yes of course most lower level freemasons are good folk, but none of you seem concerned that the craft is controlled by evil men, lucifarians, all of the world's biggest murders are 32/33 degree masons or in the Illuminati ranks above those.

And yet all you people do is say "Oh why doesn't he like the Freemasons? Why are Freemasons considered a bit pathetic and dirty?"

On Topsecret.com people who object to the freemasons and their role in society are called haters, because the secret societies board has been hijacked by freemasons. Until Freemasons get rid of their evil rulers they should feel a bit hated.

I do essentially hate your organisation and find the MO quite disgusting, even at the lower 3 levels, bloody corrupt and think they have a right to interfere in people's business, and yet do not raise a bloody word against the evil higher ups.   

All I think anyone should ask is, why don't we look into this with an open-mind and share information.

But THEY wont do it with we PROFANE. The thought that they THINK they know things that we don't gives them a feeling of superiority. The problem is that we know more than they think and certainly more than the 'Poor Candidate in a state of Darkness'
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2007, 12:49:10 pm »
Spoken like a true member of the Craft, with a tone of inherent snobbery, like all craftsmen.

You act like anyone who doesn't agree with you is a mason?  I am by no means a Freemason, but am curious for soluble answers.
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« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2007, 01:46:51 pm »
495. "And a certain covering, even the splendour of the most holy and blessed God (otherwise the opening of holiness; but by this is understood the Tetragrammaton, which, together with the name, ADNI, Adonai, maketh the number of the word AMN, Amen, that is 91): is expanded through four columns on four sides (which are the four letters of the holy name, by which he saith that space is surrounded).

496. "One column is so placed that it reacheth from the lowest unto the highest. (This is the Kingdom of the emanations, the base and lowest Part of the whole system of emanation, because it is said to ascend from the lowest part of the middle column even unto the summit of the Crown.)

497. "And therein is a certain MGRVPIA, Megerophia, vessel containing fire (for like as the fire an the altar could not be touched with bare hands, so that name, Tetragrammaton, cannot be touched and pronounced by the mouth, but it is touched and produced by ADNI, Adonai, which is ShM, Sham, His name; for ShM and MGRVPIA both Yield 340 by Gematria); and in the fire-containing vessel are four keys, 1 sharp on every side (for such was the form of the keys, in order that they might draw aside the veil, as a lock is shot back by a key. But the four letters of the name ADNI, Adonai, are hereby to be understood, which are inserted into and united with the four letters IHVH, in this manner, IAHDVNHI); which seize upon that. veil, and withdraw it from the superiors.

- Kabbalah Unveiled Chapter XXIV

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2007, 11:31:04 pm »
BRAShITh BRA ALHIM ATh HShMIM VATh HARTz,

Berashith Bera Elohim Ath Hashamaim Vaath Haaretz:

"In the beginning the Elohim (plural) created the heavens (plural) and the earth."

The God of Abraham is el Shaddai, normally translated as Almighty God (Exodus 6:3) but is in fact merely the Canaanite God of the Mountain who had a consort called Ashtorath.

On September 22nd, 2002 in a speech to visiting Christian Zionists, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon asserted,

"This land is ours... God gave us the title deeds..."

However, recent scholarly research, including discoveries by an archaeological team from the University of Tel Aviv, not only deconstruct the Biblical Old Testament and Torah stories upon which this claim rests, but grant previously unthinkable credence to an ancient historian's claim that the Israelites of Exodus were actually the Hyksos, and therefore of Asiatic origin.

The Zionists have no more claim on the land called Palestine than anyone else.

It's all nonsense and based to some extent on Assyrian star worship
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2007, 12:04:13 am »
damn roscoe, you are pretty knowledgable of the wholestars/freemasonry stuff, anyway, thought these books might help:

Morals And Dogma - By Albert Pike
By hw on March 8, 2007
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6502/Morals-And-Dogma-By-Albert-Pike
MORALS and DOGMA by ALBERT PIKE Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry , prepared for the Supreme Council of the Thirty Third Degree for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States: Charleston,...

(Ebook - Conspiracy,Secret,Cover-Up) - Symbols Of The Invisible Fraternity Of Freemasons
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expand at your own risk
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63593/Ebook-ConspiracySecretCoverUp-Symbols-Of-The-Invisible-Fraternity-Of-Freemasons
...s from Satanism. Finally, if you do not recognize some of the occult interpretations of some Masonic/Satanic symbols, remember that you have been given false interpretations of those symbols, just as Albert Pike directed: "Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinte...

Symbols Of The Invisible Fraternity Of Freemasons
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truth
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63493/Symbols-Of-The-Invisible-Fraternity-Of-Freemasons
...s from Satanism. Finally, if you do not recognize some of the occult interpretations of some Masonic/Satanic symbols, remember that you have been given false interpretations of those symbols, just as Albert Pike directed: "Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinte... 

1896 - Arthur Waite - Devil Worship in France - mason propaganda
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Warning! Freemason Occult Propaganda!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/201400/1896-Arthur-Waite-Devil-Worship-in-France-mason-propaganda
..., in this rite, the first supreme council of the entire globe. Eight years later, on the 29th of December 1809, a man of great importance to the history of Freemasonry was born in the city of Boston. Albert Pike came of parents in a humble position, who, however, struggled with their difficulties and sent him to Harvard College, where he duly graduated, taking his degree as M.A. in the year 1829. He began his...
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2007, 12:07:25 am »
The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (See Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

 
Article 11, reads:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Any takers for guessing what it was actually founded upon?
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2007, 12:46:44 am »
damn roscoe, you are pretty knowledgable of the wholestars/freemasonry stuff, anyway, thought these books might help:

Thank you, I'll read them.

I also do the TAROT like this one:



THE TOWER
Basic Card Symbols

A tower on a rocky outcropping, a powerful bolt of lightning, one or two figures falling from the tower, sometimes waves crashing below.

Basic Tarot Story

As the Fool leaves the throne of the Goat God, he comes upon a Tower, fantastic, magnificent, and familiar. In fact, The Fool, himself, helped build this Tower back when the most important thing to him was making his mark on the world and proving himself better than other men. Inside the Tower, at the top, arrogant men still live, convinced of their rightness. Seeing the Tower again, the Fool feels as if lightning has just flashed across his mind; he thought he'd left that old self behind when he started on this spiritual journey. But he realizes now that he hasn't. He's been seeing himself, like the Tower, like the men inside, as alone and singular and superior, when in fact, he is no such thing. So captured is he by the shock of this insight, that he opens his mouth and releases a SHOUT! And to his astonishment and terror, as if the shout has taken form, a bolt of actual lightning slashes down from the heavens, striking the Tower and sending its residents leaping out into the waters below.

In a moment, it is over. The Tower is rubble, only rocks remaining. Stunned and shaken to the core, the Fool experiences grief, profound fear and disbelief. But also, a strange clarity of vision, as if his inner eye has finally opened. He tore down his resistance to change and sacrifice (Hanged man), then broke free of his fear and preconceptions of death (Death); he dissolved his belief that opposites cannot be merged (Temperance) and shattered the chains of ambition and desire (The Devil). But here and now, he has done what was hardest: destroyed the lies he held about himself. What's left is the bare, absolute truth. On this he can rebuild his soul.

Basic Tarot Meaning

With Mars as its ruling planet, the Tower is a card about war, a war between the structures of lies and the lightning flash of truth. The Tower, as Wang points out, stands for "false concepts and institutions that we take for real." When the Querent gets this card, they can expect to be shaken up, to be blinded by a shocking revelation. It sometimes takes that to see a truth that one refuses to see. Or to bring down beliefs that are so well constructed. What's most important to remember is that the tearing down of this structure, however painful, makes room for something new to be built


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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2007, 10:19:44 am »
I'm admittedly lacking in much knowledge of the masons, even though my dad's dad was one, though low level as I understand. But consider this...

...It is my opinion that ANY group of people that are secretive in any way truly has something to hide! Now, my question is, why are they so secret? To what end? If they are truly a benign group, why hide behind closed doors?

Our efforts here hide nothing, and in fact we are the opposite of secretive, and encourage all to expose all so all will know the truth. I thinks it's safe to say that the only thing that those on the truth movement revere is each countrie's flag.

We sure don't run around in some silly apron, or wear pajamas under our clothes like a certain so-called Christian group does (which talk about secretive!)

And correct me if I'm wrong, was not Albert Pike founder of the KKK?
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« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2007, 12:58:07 pm »
And correct me if I'm wrong, was not Albert Pike founder of the KKK?

YES!!

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« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2007, 01:35:02 pm »

We sure don't run around in some silly apron, or wear pajamas under our clothes like a certain so-called Christian group does (which talk about secretive!)


Are you referring to Freemasonry? When did they ever claim to be "Christian"?

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« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2007, 01:38:57 pm »
I wouldn't put my hopes in the meinstream media, TV or even newspapers..

Alternative media is mostly downtoearth and i trust AJ for one due to his experience in this.

There are freemasons in very high positions here and they are granted privileges.. Shouldn't hurt to get more details and facts on this matter..

btw... today i reclaimed a FULL member list of the freemasons in my city. All in the high positions as i said earlier so i can confirm that is true. and a LOT of them. what else can i say about the list? they're mostly elderly people in this corrupted city which leads me to think about the reason for corruption. and.. they're all right-winged.. no left-wings at all in the list. The list was primarily found on a nationalsocialism homepage.
makes me worry more about this and get where AJ is coming from.. Now i just need to research what really makes a freemason one and what the "lower level" of freemasonry is. I got some kind of idea of the higher now, i think. People were wondering how on earth the list would have become public but it is authentic, and they don't like it.. i wonder why since privacy is being killed.. shouldn't injustices cover everyone or just a certain group of people??

EDIT: a new question.. what is loosh or looshin? a sub-group or something like that?

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2007, 12:53:13 am »
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Are you referring to Freemasonry? When did they ever claim to be "Christian"?

Because when you ask them about the significance of 33 they troll out the answer that it was the age of Jesus.

I believe they call this "Diverting a Discourse" which is a fancy way of saying that they lie when cornered.

When I inform them that aren't supposed to be specifically Christian you never hear from them again. Then they wonder why they are attacked.
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2007, 01:25:32 pm »
I'll be honest... I haven't kept up with this post at all... But I would like to retract my previous comments
about the few known masons I know being "damned creepy".  Turns out they aren't half bad. I'm not judging,
but they do seem sorta slow. Easy to imagine how they might wind up some high level mason's "usefull idiot"
 I think the masons go out of their way to deceive others. There own members, and especially outsiders.
  I can't imagine "well meaning" people being so secretive.
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2007, 10:56:55 pm »

King Abullah does 'Hook 'em Horns ' to President Putin. They really don't look Texan do they?
Not another 'Diverting a Discourse' surely

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2007, 09:51:52 am »
Roscoe- that is definitely not Masonic. I can tell you that much but I know you won't believe me.

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #61 on: August 25, 2007, 11:13:29 pm »
Roscoe- that is definitely not Masonic. I can tell you that much but I know you won't believe me.

You must be Blue Lodge.

Have you read Dr Cathy Burns' book?
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2007, 02:16:48 pm »

King Abullah does 'Hook 'em Horns ' to President Putin. They really don't look Texan do they?
Not another 'Diverting a Discourse' surely

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Note: The phrase 'Diverting a Discourse' is the Masonic term for lying through your back teeth and making it feel honorable.



Since the article (in the first link) makes no reference to Freemasonry, I'm assuming you think Freemasonry to be Satanic?  Is this correct?
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2007, 02:24:44 pm »
Roscoe you are terribly misinformed and like to group everything under one umbrella.

Cory


You must be Blue Lodge.

Have you read Dr Cathy Burns' book?

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2007, 03:08:14 pm »
Anyone not opposed to Freemasonry is braindead unless of course you are a mason in which case you are probably a scumbag

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #65 on: August 26, 2007, 06:59:22 pm »
According to wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax

The quote most frequently associated with the Taxil Hoax reads:

"That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?

Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods; darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive....

Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."

While this quote was published by Abel Clarin de la Rive in his Woman and Child in Universal Freemasonry, and does not appear in Taxil's writings proper, it is sourced in a footnote to Diana Vaughan, Taxil's creation.
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #66 on: August 26, 2007, 07:02:13 pm »
The source on Wikipedia is an article called, Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry?
The Methods of Anti-Masons

http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/SRpublications/DeHoyos.htm#i11

1. Also, the quotation is riddled with logical inconsistencies. There is not now and never has been a position of "Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry." This office is Taxil's invention and alone demonstrates the letter is a forgery. There is no "Confederation of Supreme Councils." Neither Albert Pike, the Mother Supreme Council, nor any grand lodges ever recognized any lodges of adoption (Masonic lodges open to men and women). In the United States virtually every Scottish Rite Mason progresses to the 32�. Why would Albert Pike suggest special treatment for 30�, 31�, and 32� Masons, when that would have included nearly everyone?

2. The hoax is well known and has been explained time and time again for nearly a century. The New Catholic Encyclopedia says this about L�o Taxil.

Taxil purported to reveal the existence of "Palladium," the most secret Masonic order, which practiced devilworship. He recounted the story of its high priestess Diana Vaughan; and ended by publishing the M�moires d'une ex-Palladiste after her conversion to Catholicism. When doubts began to spread, Taxil realized the time had come to end the deceit. In a conference in Paris (April 19, 1897), he cynically admitted his hoax, whose aim, he said, was to hold up Catholicism to derision.

3. After Taxil's public confession, A. C. de la Rive expressed his disgust and recanted his writings on Diana Vaughan in the April 1897 issue of Freemasonry Unmasked, a magazine devoted to the destruction of the Craft. As much as he hated Freemasonry, de la Rive had the integrity to admit Taxil's hoax.

So, it was a hoax.  The quote can not be taken to represent Freemasonry.
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2007, 10:45:36 pm »
Wow a real duality of man fanatic.  "The world has failed you and come to the real power of the world" -  BS.

That idiotic shallow deecptive satanic seduction is 1,000 times more fraudulent than any quote.

The entire Lavay "you must know death to know life" or "death is the lucia of life" jedi mind trick only works on the ill informed.  Too bad our eyes are wide open and we can see the wizards behind the curtains.

WHat many paganists in secret societies learn too late is they get some taste of power only to commit to total and lifelong slavery for themselves, their families, and their decendents.

Here are just the first 3 rituals - how the hell is this not a religious pyramid cult based on blind faith to an unknown string of human master?

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #68 on: August 26, 2007, 10:55:35 pm »
Since the article (in the first link) makes no reference to Freemasonry, I'm assuming you think Freemasonry to be Satanic?  Is this correct?

What do you suppose a book with the title Masonic & Occult Symbols Illustrated by Dr Cathy Burns, is all about?

We have this denial a lot. New Freemason initiates known as Poor candidates in a state of darkness, join a group of people and make pledges without knowing what the organisation they're joining is all about. Most don't even understand the ceremony they're taking part in. They don't really understand why the group started in the first place and they certainly don't know where they'll end up.

Question for you.

How does a secret society recruit new members?

Answer: Through a semi-secret organisation (a portal into a temple) of close contact where they can be watched first. If you display the right credentials you are then tapped and move sideways to climb a different ladder but still remaining in the main stream where the other blue lodge members that don't make it can be used and relied upon to stick to their vows of mutual help of a brother that may well have a different agenda.

You're being used.

George Washington, a freemason, warned about the infiltration of the Illuminati into freemasonry.

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #69 on: August 26, 2007, 10:59:28 pm »
Roscoe you are terribly misinformed and like to group everything under one umbrella.

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I have read the books of former freemasons who are now saying that the object of the exercise is the worship of Lucifer. I have noticed recently that this is not even been denied by some and that Lucifer is the good guy.

Fact is that one of the most formost experts in the Occult say that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.

Since you admit all faiths into freemasonry does this include members of the Church of Satan? Please answer?

If the answer is no then you must be refusing them on religious grounds.
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #71 on: August 26, 2007, 11:43:41 pm »
The source on Wikipedia is an article called, Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry?
The Methods of Anti-Masons

http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/SRpublications/DeHoyos.htm#i11

1. Also, the quotation is riddled with logical inconsistencies. There is not now and never has been a position of "Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry." This office is Taxil's invention and alone demonstrates the letter is a forgery. There is no "Confederation of Supreme Councils." Neither Albert Pike, the Mother Supreme Council, nor any grand lodges ever recognized any lodges of adoption (Masonic lodges open to men and women). In the United States virtually every Scottish Rite Mason progresses to the 32�. Why would Albert Pike suggest special treatment for 30�, 31�, and 32� Masons, when that would have included nearly everyone?

Apart from those who leave when they eventually find out what it is they've joined and the others with any conscience who want to leave but don't have the guts.

See  "It isn't ancient, it isn't Scottish, it isn't free, and it isn't right!"


2. The hoax is well known and has been explained time and time again for nearly a century. The New Catholic Encyclopedia says this about L�o Taxil.

Taxil purported to reveal the existence of "Palladium," the most secret Masonic order, which practiced devilworship. He recounted the story of its high priestess Diana Vaughan; and ended by publishing the M�moires d'une ex-Palladiste after her conversion to Catholicism. When doubts began to spread, Taxil realized the time had come to end the deceit. In a conference in Paris (April 19, 1897), he cynically admitted his hoax, whose aim, he said, was to hold up Catholicism to derision.

But we also have a man called Jules-Benoit Stanislas Doinel du Val-Michel who wrote a book just before Taxil (G.A. Jogand-Pages) called Lucifer Unmasked. Taxil's double bluff had been an attempt to snow job Doinel's fiercly anti-freemason book, they had been friends briefly. Doinel had been a Scottish rite freemason, a Martinist, a founder of the Gnostic church and a co-founder of the Neo-Cathar church. The Cathars believed that the creator of material things was Lucifer and the true God was purely spiritual. Doinel knew a man called Papus through his Martinist activities who had a great influence on Tzar Nicolas in esoteric issues. Doinel eventually left freemasonry and all the organisations he had started and became a Catholic.

Here is a quote from Doinel from his Scottish Rite freemasonry days:

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The shiny star, Lucifer itself. Centre of the star is detached the letter G, the science of the good and the evil, the symbol of Gnose, the letter G, monogram of pride spiritual that we spell: Satan God.

Incidently you should study the Martinist movement, it will eventually lead you to Synarchy and eventually Dick Cheyne. 


3. After Taxil's public confession, A. C. de la Rive expressed his disgust and recanted his writings on Diana Vaughan in the April 1897 issue of Freemasonry Unmasked, a magazine devoted to the destruction of the Craft. As much as he hated Freemasonry, de la Rive had the integrity to admit Taxil's hoax.

So, it was a hoax.  The quote can not be taken to represent Freemasonry.

Ah the much quoted Leo Taxil double bluff. I believe it's known as disinformation these days. See the answer to that here

If freemasons don't want to be associated with the occult then they should stop their official press publishing things like this:

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Lucifer, having regained his star and his diadem, will assemble his legions for new works of creation. Attracted by his flaming torch, celestial spirits will descend…and he will send these messengers from unknown spheres to earth. Then the torch of Lucifer will signal ‘From Heaven to Earth!’---and the …(New Age) Christ will answer ‘From Earth to Heaven!’” [xxii]

Occultist Edouard Schure
As published by the Masonic publisher called The Torch Press.



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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2007, 02:42:32 am »
33 days! 3 x 11. just wait for the 311th day of the year.  some of you may not be religious but this all goes back way to Nimrod and the tower of Babel, one world government and such.

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« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2007, 02:26:59 pm »
311th day of the year according to the normal calendar or the mayan calendar? any connection there?

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2007, 02:50:47 pm »
What do you suppose a book with the title Masonic & Occult Symbols Illustrated by Dr Cathy Burns, is all about?

We have this denial a lot. New Freemason initiates known as Poor candidates in a state of darkness, join a group of people and make pledges without knowing what the organisation they're joining is all about. Most don't even understand the ceremony they're taking part in. They don't really understand why the group started in the first place and they certainly don't know where they'll end up.

Question for you.

How does a secret society recruit new members?

Answer: Through a semi-secret organisation (a portal into a temple) of close contact where they can be watched first. If you display the right credentials you are then tapped and move sideways to climb a different ladder but still remaining in the main stream where the other blue lodge members that don't make it can be used and relied upon to stick to their vows of mutual help of a brother that may well have a different agenda.

You're being used.

George Washington, a freemason, warned about the infiltration of the Illuminati into freemasonry.

Until you understand freemasonry and the Occult you will never make the connection.

No, that's where you are wrong.  I understand Freemasonry and the occult very well.  And I'm in a continuous search for a better understanding.  Let me provide a more distinguished book for reading.  Carl Jung's Man and his Symbols.

Whether the Illuminati infiltrated the Freemasons, none of us can be certain of that.  John Robison gave Washington a copy of proofs of a conspiracy and he did state that it was possible.  Leo Tolstoy mentioned in War and Peace, through the character Pierre and his benefactor, that there were people trying to spread Illuminism into Freemasonry.  (Before the Czar was removed)
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2007, 03:14:18 pm »
Fact is that one of the most formost experts in the Occult say that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.

Which experts are you referring to?

Since you admit all faiths into freemasonry does this include members of the Church of Satan? Please answer?

If the answer is no then you must be refusing them on religious grounds.

I would think no, as masonry calls for one to profess a belief in god and members of the Church of Satan are atheists and agnostics.

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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2007, 03:17:56 pm »
Apart from those who leave when they eventually find out what it is they've joined and the others with any conscience who want to leave but don't have the guts.

See  "It isn't ancient, it isn't Scottish, it isn't free, and it isn't right!"

But we also have a man called Jules-Benoit Stanislas Doinel du Val-Michel who wrote a book just before Taxil (G.A. Jogand-Pages) called Lucifer Unmasked. Taxil's double bluff had been an attempt to snow job Doinel's fiercly anti-freemason book, they had been friends briefly. Doinel had been a Scottish rite freemason, a Martinist, a founder of the Gnostic church and a co-founder of the Neo-Cathar church. The Cathars believed that the creator of material things was Lucifer and the true God was purely spiritual. Doinel knew a man called Papus through his Martinist activities who had a great influence on Tzar Nicolas in esoteric issues. Doinel eventually left freemasonry and all the organisations he had started and became a Catholic.

Here is a quote from Doinel from his Scottish Rite freemasonry days:

Incidently you should study the Martinist movement, it will eventually lead you to Synarchy and eventually Dick Cheyne. 

Ah the much quoted Leo Taxil double bluff. I believe it's known as disinformation these days. See the answer to that here

If freemasons don't want to be associated with the occult then they should stop their official press publishing things like this:



The lights beaming skyward from ground zero which shone for 33 days from March 11th 2002 to April 14th 2002.


I'm not rebuking the fact that Lucifer is a common theme in Freemasonry.  Only a fool would debate that.  What I'm saying is lets use reliable quotes, and I know most of you can find plenty from books like Morals & Dogma.

Freemasonry and the Occult are linked.  Symbolism has its origin in the Archetype.  Freemasonry shares the same symbols as Christianity, Hindu, Islam, etc

*I'll research this book, "Lucifer Unmasked"
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2007, 04:46:28 pm »
I think the main point has been pointed out over the posts here.  Masons a re generally good people, but still creepy as anyone charged with secrets is, say the president for instance.  hes creepy. 

So it goes to stand that anything secretive is creepy and fear inspiring.  I wouldn't put it past them to be doing this.  I am near an area where ritual circles have been found near a masonic lodge in town.  And this town is pretty lame and creepy in itself.   Everyone is a zombie..

So im with alex on this.

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« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2007, 04:51:51 pm »
Im opposed because they use a system that is unfair, a deceptive lie in which causes many to disband from the organization.  There are ritual circles near a lodge ive seen.  Very witchcraft like.  And a satanic old house in the area as well.  As if rituals to raise the dead were performed..could've just been kids with spray paint?  But its still creepy. 

My bet would be on yes the masons have a dark secret, and im guessing alex is right about the magic rituals.  though those today are embedded in television, music, advertising..

magic is basicly a trick of mind or body.  If you master yourself.  It will not trick you as much.
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Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2007, 11:53:07 pm »
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"It was during that period that I became interested in freemasonry. ... In the eighteenth century freemasonry became expressive of a militant policy of enlightenment, as in the case of the Illuminati, who were the forerunners of the revolution; on its left it culminated in the Carbonari. Freemasons counted among their members both Louis XVI and the Dr. Guillotin who invented the guillotine. In southern Germany freemasonry assumed an openly revolutionary character, whereas at the court of Catherine the Great it was a masquerade reflecting the aristocratic and bureaucratic hierarchy. A freemason Novikov was exiled to Siberia by a freemason Empress.

I discontinued my work on freemasonry to take up the study of Marxian economics. ... The work on freemasonry acted as a sort of test for these hypotheses. ... I think this influenced the whole course of my intellectual development."

Leon Trotsky (Communist revolutionary)
My Life: The Rise and Fall of a Dictator
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