True News 22: 9/11

[hex0mega]

Hi, I was big on the 9/11 truth stuff a couple years ago, but haven't kept up with it lately. Since I haven't been immersed in the discussions I've been thinking on my own about it and I'm kind of unsure what I believe at this point. Obviously the government is quite capable of things like this and I wouldn't doubt if they at least some kind of involvement, but on the other hand does it actually matter? What I mean is that most truthers seem to have a large distrust in the government, yet still cling to the illusion that government is a valid and necessary institution. Perhaps the immoral nature of the government and it's use of legitimized coercion against the general population would be a better way to achieve more freedom. Anyways, I'm not sure if anyone here is familiar with Freedomainradio.com, but here is a new video about Stef's take on 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUm6aPytDqs

[Unintelligable Name]

What are you smoking?

Perhaps the immoral nature of the government and it's use of legitimized coercion against the general population would be a better way to achieve more freedom?

Jesus Christ, you get the hell out of here.

This talking head needs to go jump off a bridge. I'm intellectual immature because I get angry at morons like you! Thanks Stefbot you are a genius.

[hex0mega]

What are you smoking?

Perhaps the immoral nature of the government and it's use of legitimized coercion against the general population would be a better way to achieve more freedom?

Jesus Christ, you get the hell out of here.

This talking head needs to go jump off a bridge. I'm intellectual immature because I get angry at morons like you! Thanks Stefbot you are a genius.

I'm sorry, let me make a correction to my post because I see that didn't completely makes sense. What I meant was perhaps we need to EXAMINE the immoral nature of government and it's use of legitimized coercion. Rather than focusing on a specific event like 9/11 to prove government corruption we should look at the fundamentals of government first.

And using ad hominem attacks rather than refuting what myself or the video are saying is a pretty weak argument.

So what part about the video makes you so angry? What do you disagree with in his approach?

[Unintelligable Name]

I know it's a weak arguement against what he is saying. The monumental nature of that man's retardation is too large and therefore not worth my effort in explaining his mistakes and oversights.
It is indeed an ad homineum argument, because that is what my statement is directed at -- "The man."

I simlpy want to flame you, for implying that it doesn't matter if the Government carried out 9/11, at this point.

"we need to EXAMINE the immoral nature of government and it's use of legitimized coercion"

Ok then what do you think we are doing? Playing pattycake?

I disagree with his whole personality! He is laughing and cracking bad jokes the entire time about a subject he feels is silly and pointless to examine and come to judgement on.

The content of the video is even more annoying than the man presenting it. Why you ask? Well who gives a rats ass I don't control the content of his youtube channel and my opinion amounts to a hill of beans but so long as the internet functions and I have fingers I can weigh in and give an opinion.

[TheGoodFight1984]

I'm sorry, let me make a correction to my post because I see that didn't completely makes sense. What I meant was perhaps we need to EXAMINE the immoral nature of government and it's use of legitimized coercion. Rather than focusing on a specific event like 9/11 to prove government corruption we should look at the fundamentals of government first.

99% of the people on here are familiar with the bigger picture and how involuntary coercion works.. agreed it is a good point to bring up in assisting people understand the nature of 9/11, but it also is a standalone side-subject from 9/11.

9/11 matters very much. It, along with 7/7, Mumbai, madrid 2004 etc are the legs of the 'proverbial table' that support the surface of the war on terror, erosion of civil and individual liberties, surveillance states et al, and if you can 'pull out' and expose those legs, turn them to dust, then the entire premise for the situation we find ourselves in collapses.

[hex0mega]

Well, the fact that MOST people (maybe not yourself) consider the government to be a moral good definitely goes against what you and other truthers are fighting for. If people are taught to believe that government is unavoidable and the only possible way of organizing a society, then this is a huge problem for those trying to point out it's corruption. If you instead approached people with a question like "why is it acceptable for governments to violently force people to pay for it's services through taxation, but it is completely immoral for me to knock on your door and ask that you pay me a $1000 dollars for plowing your driveway without your prior approval." The answer is that it is not morally ok for the government and we should come up with better solutions to the problem of social organization than VIOLENCE!

[TheGoodFight1984]

You have good points dude and I think you're right on about government abuse but they are pretty far removed from exposing 9/11.. one step at a time..

Just like 9/11 was the catalyst for where we are today, use the same sword (9/11) to catalyze the resurrection of sound government.. I think that a possible reason for people believing that govt is unavoidable is maybe because that is all we have ever known to work, anarchism would fall on it's ass, society is just too far gone up la-la street to be even 90% civil... anyhow I can't engage in a debate about whether or not a government is a neccessary institution right now, I've had a good few beers and it's 2am.

Anyhow, whichever angle you choose to take, it's all exposing the same bane..