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For people who need some facts when they talk about "Vitamin C"

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/12154.php

Vitamin C, Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion

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Article Date: 17 Aug 2004 - 0:00 PST

Here is an article written by Dr Hilary Roberts about Linus Pauling and his views on vitamin C. Summary
It is the 10th anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling and his most controversial scientific conjectures about the health benefits of vitamin C are being confirmed. The weight of evidence may yet force the medical establishment to accept his ideas on nutrition and health.

Linus Pauling's claim, that he knew a cure for heart disease, cancer and infections, was greeted with ridicule. His remarkable health claims concerned the substance we know as vitamin C. Now, ten years after his death on 19th August 1994, his revolutionary ideas are finally on the way to vindication. Given his history, it should not surprise us if Pauling was right all along. He was, after all, the leading chemist of the last century and, arguably, the greatest ever American scientist. He remains the only person to have won two unshared Nobel Prizes, the first for Chemistry (1954) and the second for peace (1962). In addition to being one of the greatest scientists ever, he was a renowned humanitarian.

By the time of his death, the medical establishment had branded Pauling a quack, because he advocated the use of high doses of vitamin C to treat many diseases. Irwin Stone first introduced Pauling to vitamin C, and explained that it wasn't really a vitamin at all, but an essential substance we could no longer manufacture in our bodies. Most animals make their own vitamin C, in large amounts. In humans, the gene for this ability has mutated and no longer works properly.

When Pauling looked into Stone's claims, he found that conventional medicine had long ignored evidence from respected physicians and scientists. This research suggested that high doses of vitamin C might be a cure for many illnesses, including cancer and heart disease. However, when he explained these findings in his wonderfully constructed books "Vitamin C and the Common Cold" and "How to Live Longer and Feel Better", the medical profession was incensed, implying that a mere chemist could not possibly understand the intricacies of medical science.

If Pauling was correct, vitamin C could help overcome the major killers in the industrialised world. This sounded so unlikely that a lesser scientist making the claim would probably have been ignored; the medical world had already disregarded similar reports of vitamin C. Linus Pauling had a reputation for being 20 years ahead of other scientists.

He may well have been years ahead in other fields but, in medicine, the insiders considered such a thing to be impossible. Pauling battled with the medical authorities and convinced a lot of the public of the benefits of high dose vitamin C. He took on the medical establishment because the implication for health was enormous: an end to premature death and unnecessary suffering from heart disease, infection and many cancers.

Since Pauling's death, the medical establishment has reclaimed the scientific position with a series of experiments on vitamin C. In particular, the NIH measured the distribution of vitamin C in the body and claimed that Pauling was wrong about the need for high doses, as the blood could be saturated at low doses [Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, 93, 3704-9.]. They added that doses higher than one gram were potentially dangerous. From this point on, the high dose vitamin C lobby were on the defensive.

If the body could be saturated at low doses, the argument went, higher doses were simply a waste or even potentially dangerous. However, clinical reports of the utility of high dose vitamin C had been repeated in the literature for over 50 years. These reports continued, particularly in the fields of heart disease, infections and cancer, contradicting the NIH conclusions. Either the clinical reports of the efficacy of high doses were incorrect, or the NIH experimental work was flawed.

Taking note of this inconsistency, Drs Steve Hickey and Hilary Roberts decided to investigate the data for a book ("Ascorbate, the science of vitamin C", www.lulu.com/ascorbate). They began by looking at the apparently ludicrous claims for the medical effects of vitamin C. Pauling had stated that the substance could cure cancer and that shortage was the major cause of heart disease. Among his many scientific advances, Pauling had made occasional errors: perhaps he had done the same with vitamin C. If he was wrong, his hypotheses should be easy to refute.

When they examined the evidence, Hickey and Roberts found background evidence for Pauling's ideas from independent scientific and medical reports, covering half a century. The findings in these papers could neither be dismissed as placebo effects nor easily explained. The reports included remission of AIDS, cures for cancer, and the immediate recovery of children at the point of death from septic shock. The claims seemed so out of the ordinary that they were hard to believe. However, Hickey and Roberts could find no counter examples in the scientific or medical literature.

If these positive reports were indeed wrong, no-one had shown this to be true. The scientific evidence was consistent with Pauling's ideas, with a few notable exceptions. The primary exception was the NIH data on blood and tissue saturation. The medical establishment accepted the NIH conclusions and held them in the highest regard. The US Institute of Medicine had based their official recommended dietary allowance (RDA) on these results. If the NIH was correct, then Pauling was wrong and the positive reports of high doses must be invalid.

The NIH conclusions were not correct, however. Hickey and Roberts examined their experiments and found them to be full of errors. For example, the researchers had given a dose of vitamin C, waited until it had been excreted and then measured blood levels. Using this procedure, they found that increasing the dose did not greatly increase the blood levels. Instead of realising that this was because the dose had been excreted, the NIH claimed it was because the body was saturated, so higher doses were redundant. They then used white blood cells as a model for normal cells, to see how they absorbed vitamin C from their surroundings. These white blood cells are specialised to absorb vitamin C, even when supplies are low. If other body cells were similar to white blood cells, we would normally have a reserve of 40 grams in our bodies. In this case, given the proposed RDA of 200mg, it would take 2-3 years to fill a depleted body. This is demonstrably incorrect: the classic example is that James Lind's sailors recovered from scurvy in a matter of days when they were given citrus fruits containing small amounts of vitamin C.

These mistakes were gross and unsupportable. In order to check their re-interpretation of the data, Hickey sent emails to the NIH, the Institute of Medicine and every scientist he could contact who was associated with the RDA, asking them to provide a reasonable scientific response to these errors. No-one was able to provide such a response. Since it is normal scientific practice to explain and defend your ideas, the hypothesis that people only need small amounts of vitamin C looks increasingly shaky.

Even the NIH's subsequent data contradicts their earlier work. The NIH vitamin C group published a series of papers on vitamin C and cancer [Ann Intern Med, 140(7), 533-7.]. In these papers, they suggested that repeated doses of oral vitamin C would produce blood levels of at least 220 microM (a measure of the concentration) , which is three times greater than the 70 microM maximum "saturated" value they claimed in their RDA papers. While their own papers clearly showed that their low-dose claims were wrong, the NIH appeared not to notice. Instead, they suggested that intravenous doses could produce higher blood levels, which might be effective against cancer. Even though their data were coming closer to Pauling's findings on the use of vitamin C in cancer, the NIH took the opportunity to mount another attack on Linus Pauling, suggesting he did not know the difference between oral and intravenous (IV) vitamin C.

Pauling had performed a series of trials with Dr Ewan Cameron, a Scottish cancer specialist, showing that intravenous vitamin C allowed cancer patients to live much longer than expected. Numerous other studies confirmed this effect, particularly the work of Dr Abram Hoffer and Dr Hugh Riordan. The Mayo Clinic tried to refute this research but failed, as they used low, oral doses, making their results invalid. In their own cancer paper, the NIH researchers claimed that Pauling and Cameron's use of the IV route was "serendipitous", implying that Pauling did not know the difference between injected and oral doses. In fact, Pauling had written explicitly about this difference, so the NIH criticism was misplaced.

A new scientific theory, called the dynamic flow model, explains all the observed responses to vitamin C in the literature. This model is described in the book "Ascorbate", mentioned above. According to the model, people should ideally be in a state of dynamic flow, which means they should ingest more vitamin C than they need, in the form of divided dose supplements. The extra ascorbate flows through the body and is excreted in the urine. It is not wasted, however, as the excess acts as a reservoir when extra vitamin C is required. Dynamic flow is the closest we humans can get to restoring our physiology to how it was before we lost the ability to make vitamin C in our bodies, as most other animals still do.

It is difficult to imagine what Linus Pauling would have made of all this had he lived. Hickey and Roberts like to think that he would have pointed out the NIH errors earlier. He might have had fun explaining that the NIH could not perform a simple experiment, yet tried to blame him for the deficiencies in the Mayo Clinic's research. It is now 10 years since Pauling's death. Biologist Ren頄ubos suggested that the mainstream converges with Pauling twenty years later. If so, we only have another decade to wait until the medical establishment can admit that Pauling was right all along.
Dr. Hilary Roberts
Email: radicalascorbate@yahoo.com


How are men different from other animals?

http://www.advancedscientifichealth.com/newpweb_nsf_animals.asp?SID=554893

Interesting critter category:
Guinea pigs, apes, fruit bats and humans


What do guinea pigs, apes, some fruit bats and humans have in common? They all share the inability to produce their own ascorbic acid (vitamin C). All other animals produce vitamin C endogenously, or inside their own bodies.

Scientists believe they have evidence suggesting that humans used to produce their own ascorbic acid from an enzyme produced in the liver. But something happened and humans now depend on dietary sources of vitamin C.

Guinea pigs, apes, some fruit bats and humans share another trait: The tendency to develop coronary heart disease. The development of heart disease only occurs in animals and humans that lack adequate intake of ascorbates through dietary sources.

It has also been observed that zoo animals, such as gorillas fed processed "gorilla chow" readily develop heart disease unless they are supplied with adequate amounts of ascorbates.

By comparing the amount of vitamin C produced endogenously in animals that do not develop heart disease, we can get a good idea of how much vitamin C is essential to maintain cardiovascular health in humans.

Goats, cows, dogs, cats, squirrels and rabbits manufacture ascorbic acid at a rate of about 10 g per 70 kg (154 pounds) of body weight. In other words, to achieve the levels of ascorbic acid produced by animals that do not develop coronary heart disease, a 154-pound human would need to ingest 10 g of dietary or supplemental vitamin C daily.

Noting that 1,000 mg = 1 g, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has established the U.S. Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for vitamin C at 35 mg for infants; 45-50 mg for children and 60 mg for adults.

According to the FDA, humans require about 200 times less vitamin C than animals to maintain optimal health.

The late Dr. Fred Klenner was one of the world's foremost authorities on vitamin C. He believed that the government's concept of daily minimal intakes should be abolished because, "The physiological requirements [for ascorbic acid] in man are no different than other mammals capable of carrying out this synthesis."

Judging from the numbers of people being stricken by and succumbing to heart disease in the U.S., it would appear that Dr. Klenner (and doctors Pauling, Irwin Stone, Glenn Dettman and Archie Kalokerinos) are correct about the levels of ascorbic acid necessary to maintain optimal cardiovascular health.
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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 05:19:12 PM »
I wonder how long it will be before TPTB make Vitamin C illegal?
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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 05:51:21 PM »
I wonder how long it will be before TPTB make Vitamin C illegal?

Codex Alimentarius : http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=68837.0

Warning: The media is starting to systematically bad mouth vitamins/herbs. Codex
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=71360.0

Exactly...  and Canada Bill C-51 , but they have time to try and try and try again....

Vitamin C About to be Made Illegal in Canada!  « on: June 19, 2008, 05:21:02 AM »
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=45559.0

I haven't seen any later articles other than this: Oct, 2008

http://www.healthycanadians.ca/pr-rp/billC-51_e.html

Bill C-51 and Natural Health Products - The Facts

17. What licensing will be required under Bill C-51 to permit a mother to give her child a tablet of vitamin C?

No licence whatsoever will be required. The Bill does not target the personal use of natural health products by Canadians, including mothers who give natural health products to their children.


1. How will Bill C-51 change the way natural health products are regulated?

Bill C-51 will not affect the way that natural health products are regulated in Canada. The Natural Health Product Regulations, introduced in 2004, will continue to operate the same way under the proposed Bill C-51. Bill C-51 has been drafted to complement and support current policies for natural health products.


6. Will I still be able to get my natural health product at my local health food store under Bill C-51?

Yes. Canadians will continue to have access to natural health products that are safe, effective and of high quality. The Bill does not apply to retail sale of natural health products and therefore will not alter consumers' ability to access products.

8. Is Bill C-51 targeting natural health products practitioners or consumers?

No, the activities of natural health products practitioners falls under provincial jurisdiction. Personal use of products by consumers is also not affected by Bill C-51. The regulated activities for natural health products are already identified in the Natural Health Products Regulations, and remain unchanged. These activities are: manufacturing, packaging, labelling, importation and distribution of natural health products for sale. The new definition of "sale" in Bill C-51 will not affect practitioners. The relationship between practitioner and patient for compounding falls under the definition of "practice of medicine" and is under provincial jurisdiction. Bill C-51 respects this arrangement.

14. Does section 15.1(4) of this Bill give the power to designate therapeutic products as drugs? Could natural health products be swept into the class of 'drugs' and require prescription given this power?

Under the current Food and Drugs Act, products are either classified as drugs, cosmetics foods, or medical devices. Natural health products are presently classified as a subset of drugs, but have their own unique regulatory framework (the Natural Health Products Regulations) separate from the regulatory regime for drugs (the Food and Drug Regulations)

The Government is proposing an amendment to the Bill that would distinguish natural health products from 'drugs.' This would ensure that NHPs could not be classified as 'drugs.'
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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 06:03:10 PM »
Soon everything will be "illegal" except GMO food and pharmaceuticals.
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 06:43:12 PM »

Codex Alimentarius : http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=68837.0

Codex Alimentarius is by far one of the most truly horrifying movies I have ever seen.  And that horror is multiplied given that the deadline stated in the movie is at the end of this year, Dec 31st. 2009.  Who knows what kind of crap TPTB are going to pull between now and then.

What I do know for sure is that eFoods direct is going to have one of, if not their best year ever this year.
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 08:03:36 PM »
Codex Alimentarius is by far one of the most truly horrifying movies I have ever seen.  And that horror is multiplied given that the deadline stated in the movie is at the end of this year, Dec 31st. 2009.  Who knows what kind of crap TPTB are going to pull between now and then.

What I do know for sure is that eFoods direct is going to have one of, if not their best year ever this year.
Yeah, if they manage to come up with another official the-shit-is-going-to-hit-the-fan-date© before the end of this year they'll have a new record year. That unpatriotic Obama muslim guy from Kenya was sure to pull something of during the inauguration, so you had to have all your stored food before that date, but nothing happened. There's no group out there selling as much fear as the stored food manufacturers. "Without food, you DIE!!!" Or how about the ad featuring the two rednecks at a barbecue, with one panicking about the economy, and the other reassuring him that he's safe as long as he has his stored food ready. It's all a bit of a cruel joke, and painfully reminiscent of Rumsfeld and his little Tamiflu bussiness.
It's a shame people are so fixed on the crimes of our elite that they can't see the petty scams and silly half-truths of our own people. Like the guy in one of the ads claiming that disease can't grow in an alkaline environment. Well guess what, that's a pretty meaningless statement, since your own cells can't grow in an alkaline environment either. Oh yeah and we've had the countless number of times Alex has said we'd see terrorist attacks. But it never happened. So the reason it never happened was because Alex warned us. Good luck disproving that one. Let's face it, everyone is fearmongering. The "patriots" are predicting doom and destruction while pointing at the government. The government is predicting doom and destruction while pointing at the terrorists. How much of a difference does it really make whether you post a topic somewhere entitled "FALSE FLAG TERRORIST ATTACK TOMORROW" or forward an email about a muslim taxidriver warning a lady not to be in New York tomorrow?

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2009, 08:16:38 PM »
Yeah, if they manage to come up with another official the-shit-is-going-to-hit-the-fan-date© before the end of this year they'll have a new record year. That unpatriotic Obama muslim guy from Kenya was sure to pull something of during the inauguration, so you had to have all your stored food before that date, but nothing happened. There's no group out there selling as much fear as the stored food manufacturers. "Without food, you DIE!!!" Or how about the ad featuring the two rednecks at a barbecue, with one panicking about the economy, and the other reassuring him that he's safe as long as he has his stored food ready. It's all a bit of a cruel joke, and painfully reminiscent of Rumsfeld and his little Tamiflu bussiness.
It's a shame people are so fixed on the crimes of our elite that they can't see the petty scams and silly half-truths of our own people. Like the guy in one of the ads claiming that disease can't grow in an alkaline environment. Well guess what, that's a pretty meaningless statement, since your own cells can't grow in an alkaline environment either. Oh yeah and we've had the countless number of times Alex has said we'd see terrorist attacks. But it never happened. So the reason it never happened was because Alex warned us. Good luck disproving that one. Let's face it, everyone is fearmongering. The "patriots" are predicting doom and destruction while pointing at the government. The government is predicting doom and destruction while pointing at the terrorists. How much of a difference does it really make whether you post a topic somewhere entitled "FALSE FLAG TERRORIST ATTACK TOMORROW" or forward an email about a muslim taxidriver warning a lady not to be in New York tomorrow?

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2009, 11:43:07 PM »
Yeah, if they manage to come up with another official the-shit-is-going-to-hit-the-fan-date© before the end of this year they'll have a new record year.

Have you watched the movie, "Codex Alimentarius" yet?
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 10:56:10 AM »
Have you watched the movie, "Codex Alimentarius" yet?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634
This one? Yes.
But how am I supposed to know for sure she's right, and 31 december 09 isn't another date at which "the shit is going to hit the fan" but actually doesn't?
Who am I supposed to believe?
This lady, or these folks:
http://www.anhcampaign.org/news/codex-misinformation-creates-public-confusion
How about the story about the IG Farben guy? Did he really convince these UN folks to create this Codex Alimentarius? If so, how does she know? How can I find out she's right? I looked up this document she mentioned about billions dying, I believe this is it:
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/trs/WHO_TRS_916.pdf
But I can't find any mentions about billions dying from starvation or vitamin deficiences.
This is why I kind of hate watching video's or documentaries. When I read an article from Paul Joseph Watson or Daniel Taylor I can follow the links and decide for myself whether they're right. When I watch a video there's basically no way of telling unless you Google every specific claim (good luck with that). That's why I rarely post or spread video's. I'll spread "Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda" because I've gone over the majority of studies he used myself and they are indeed correct. I'll spread End Game (and Terrorstorm) because I've read the bibliography and most of the points made are correct and now sourced (except of the inner elite's promise to eternal life at Bilderberg perhaps, but oh well). But there's no way for me to find out whether every claim in this presentation is right. Perhaps she's right, perhaps the Alliance for Natural Health is right, I have no way of telling because I can't find out where she gets her data from.

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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2009, 01:37:50 PM »
pss Any of you guys know where I can score some Vitamin C?


No, but seriously I am beginning to distrust big vita manufactures i.e.  GNC, Centrum, Walgreens brands, etc.   No proof, just cautiousness.

Anyone know where I can get some pure vitamin C, especially from organic sources, like organic orange concentrate, etc. ?

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2009, 02:34:52 PM »
Anyone know where I can get some pure vitamin C, especially from organic sources, like organic orange concentrate, etc. ?

You can buy naturally grown lemons, grapefruit, oranges, mandarines, kiwis...
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2009, 02:51:04 PM »
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I can lend my unreserved recommendation for the vitamin C offered by the Vitamin C Foundation. See here:

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1

Their product is gmo-free, corn-free, pharmaceutical grade, and made in Scotland. I use it daily, and can vouch for its efficacy, for on several occasions I have warded off the designs of seemingly inevitable colds through the prompt administration of several grams of this fine powder. Apart from keeping one generally hale and healthy, there are quite a few more subtle benefits which will no doubt make themselves apparent after prolonged use (such as increased energy, improved sense of well being, more facile respiration, etc).

As for "natural" sources of C, such as acerola cherry, they simply cannot be taken in sufficient quantities to meet the high dosage requirements recommended by Pauling. Be wary of the persistent claim that Vitamin C exists only in the form of an ill-defined "complex" consisting of bioflavonoids, rutin, copper etc, as there isn't a drop of evidence, not a single study, to prove this assertion. I cannot say for sure, but I believe this widely-reported canard (you'll find it current among the mainstream medical community, and frequently reported in mainstream news articles),  is part of an effort to dissuade people from getting the necessarily high dosages of the vitamin which clearly cannot be had from food alone. So long as the source of the vitamin is pure and uncontaminated, you need not worry excessively about taking a "synthetic" supplement, as ascorbic acid is ascorbic acid, and the form of the vitamin found in the supplement above is bioidentical to that found in nature, and is thus indistinguishable by the body. I had my own misgivings on this matter once, but after reading Pauling's explanation of "orthomolecular" substances, and reconciling myself to the fact that there is simply no other practical method of ingesting the necessary levels of C without supplementation, I satisfied myself of the safety of this modality. Mind you, the case of Vitamin C is an exception. In all other areas dealing with food and supplements, I would not advise taking anything save naturally-derived, whole food, (sometimes) raw and organic products.


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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2009, 03:05:36 PM »
You can buy naturally grown lemons, grapefruit, oranges, mandarines, kiwis...

True enough, if your only aim is to prevent acute scurvy. Read Pauling's studies on the subject, and you'll find that heart disease is actually a form of chronic, sub-clinical scurvy, which can only be reliably prevented with the ingestion of several grams of ascorbic acid daily. In a word, vitamin C is instrumental in the formation of collagen (the most abundant protein in the body), which is necessary to repair damaged tissue, eroded arterial walls, etc. In a chronically C deficient individual, the body will produce excessive amounts of adhesive cholesterol in a desperate bid to "shore up" weakened, thin arteries. This is the reason cholesterol has historically been implicated as the prime causative factor in CHD (despite all evidence to the contrary), however excess lipoprotein production is simply the body's self defense mechanism in action, and a vital process to forestall a condition which would otherwise have made for a premature demise. The ultimate underlying cause is, of course, weakened, unstable arteries.

The vilification of cholesterol is an absolute scandal.


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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2009, 11:30:34 AM »
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I can lend my unreserved recommendation for the vitamin C offered by the Vitamin C Foundation. See here:

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1

Their product is gmo-free, corn-free, pharmaceutical grade, and made in Scotland. I use it daily, and can vouch for its efficacy, for on several occasions I have warded off the designs of seemingly inevitable colds through the prompt administration of several grams of this fine powder. Apart from keeping one generally hale and healthy, there are quite a few more subtle benefits which will no doubt make themselves apparent after prolonged use (such as increased energy, improved sense of well being, more facile respiration, etc).

As for "natural" sources of C, such as acerola cherry, they simply cannot be taken in sufficient quantities to meet the high dosage requirements recommended by Pauling. Be wary of the persistent claim that Vitamin C exists only in the form of an ill-defined "complex" consisting of bioflavonoids, rutin, copper etc, as there isn't a drop of evidence, not a single study, to prove this assertion. I cannot say for sure, but I believe this widely-reported canard (you'll find it current among the mainstream medical community, and frequently reported in mainstream news articles),  is part of an effort to dissuade people from getting the necessarily high dosages of the vitamin which clearly cannot be had from food alone. So long as the source of the vitamin is pure and uncontaminated, you need not worry excessively about taking a "synthetic" supplement, as ascorbic acid is ascorbic acid, and the form of the vitamin found in the supplement above is bioidentical to that found in nature, and is thus indistinguishable by the body. I had my own misgivings on this matter once, but after reading Pauling's explanation of "orthomolecular" substances, and reconciling myself to the fact that there is simply no other practical method of ingesting the necessary levels of C without supplementation, I satisfied myself of the safety of this modality. Mind you, the case of Vitamin C is an exception. In all other areas dealing with food and supplements, I would not advise taking anything save naturally-derived, whole food, (sometimes) raw and organic products.



wow, that stuff looks awesome.  Expensive, but awesome.   I think I'm gonna go for it.  Vit C is definately important, expecially for athletes, and most people too. Thanks for the recomnd.

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2009, 11:38:23 AM »
My wife personally knew Dr. Alfred Libby who was Dr. Pauling's biochemist. The things he taught her were truly amazing. She had cancer and cured it with 50g intravenous Vitamin C. If you really want an excellent combination try megadosing Vitamin C and taking MSM with it every time. These men were truly amazing.

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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2009, 01:43:56 PM »
Important:

1.  Are there currently any doctors trained by / under Dr. Pauling or Libby who have their own clinics?
     I would love to find out where they are and visit them.  Take a "Medical Vacation"
     i.e. Any contact info for qualified practitioners of Dr Pauling / Libby's  branch of medicine.

2  MSM is very interesting.  Any info on why it's paired with Vitamin C?

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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2009, 05:10:10 PM »
You can buy naturally grown lemons, grapefruit, oranges, mandarines, kiwis...

You can't eat enough fruit to get the dosages of Vitamin C you really need.
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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2009, 09:06:58 AM »
Bumped

Please see my last post.

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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2009, 09:58:22 AM »
pss Any of you guys know where I can score some Vitamin C?


No, but seriously I am beginning to distrust big vita manufactures i.e.  GNC, Centrum, Walgreens brands, etc.   No proof, just cautiousness.

Anyone know where I can get some pure vitamin C, especially from organic sources, like organic orange concentrate, etc. ?




I have worked in the vitamin "industry" for years, and can confirm that gnc, centrum, walgreens brands are all pharmaceutical garbage. Unfortunately many of the brands in health food stores are the same. Our bodies are designed to take in nutrients from FOOD (foods are even showing lower and lower nutrient levels but they contain compounds not found in supplement form that make them more powerful).
I would recommend fresh organic sources of vitamin c (Blackcurrant, Guava, Strawberries, Oranges)
and a good amount of green leafy veggies to help balance all the acids and sugars from the fruits.

Supplements can really be helpful. I have personally seen people heal themselves with a healthy diet and a quality herbal regimen. There are brands available for both vitamins and herbs that are cultivated well but unfortunately these stores are taken over by the customer demand for the lowest price.
Is it really worth it if your calcium was BUY 1  GET 1 FREE, if the ingredients are the  same crap you can get at any local pharmacy. You think your getting a deal...but your $10 sale, really cost them pennies to produce.

Anyway, the point I wanted to get across to everyone is that food should be your vitamins.
Adding supplements to your diet can be a great idea, but if it's to replace foods you can and should be eating...it will never compare.
If you take a nutritional supplement, do the research or find someone that you trust to guide you the right way. There are brands that offer quality products that are wild-crafted, organic or food state....but unfortunately they are few and far between.

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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2009, 10:06:42 AM »
This is the ingredients for the original Centrum


Dibasic Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Oxide, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate,
Microcrystalline Cellulose
, Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C), Ferrous Fumarate, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl   Acetate (Vit. E). Contains < 2% of: Acacia, Anhydrous Citric Acid, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Beta Carotene, Biotin, Boric Acid, BHT, Calcium Pantothenate, Calcium Stearate, Cholecalciferol (Vit. D), Chromium Picolinate, Corn Starch, Crospovidone, Cupric Sulfate, Cyanocobalamin (Vit. B12), dl-Alpha Tocopherol, FD&C Yellow 6 Aluminum Lake, Folic Acid, Gelatin, Hydrogenated Palm Oil, Hypromellose, Lutein, Lycopene, Maltodextrin, Manganese Sulfate, Medium-Chain Triglycerides, Modified Food Starch, Niacinamide, Nickelous Sulfate, Phytonadione (Vit. K), Polyethylene Glycol,Polyvinyl Alcohol, Potassium Iodide, Pregelatinized Corn Starch, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vit. B6), Riboflavin (Vit. B2), Silicon Dioxide, Sodium Ascorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Metavanadate, Sodium Molybdate, Sodium Selenate, Sorbic Acid, Stannous Chloride, Sucrose, Talc, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vit. B1), , Tricalcium Phosphate, Vitamin A Acetate (Vit. A), Zinc Oxide. May also contain < 2%: Sodium Aluminum Silicate.

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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2013, 06:13:01 PM »
bump - AJ mentioned him today (Tangy tangerine Vit C  and killing cancer cells)
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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2013, 06:15:08 PM »
Why Linus Pauling was vilified in the 1950's:

The Sequoia Seminars - 1954 

One of the interesting things about Linus Pauling back in 1952 was that he was a friend of Lord Victor Rothschild and Linus was having trouble getting a visa for his trip to England ( They thought Linus was a spy/communist) also he was making trips to Vancouver Canada...

http://osulibrary.oregonstate.edu/specialcollections/coll/pauling/calendar/1952/index.html
February 1952

In February, Pauling receives a letter from Mrs. Ruth B. Shipley of the Passport Division of the Department of State, informing him that his request for a passport is being denied because "the Department is of the opinion that your proposed travel would not be in the best interests of the United States." Pauling had applied for a passport in January in order to visit England to take part in a meeting on the structure of proteins to be held on May 1. A debate was going on about whether his alpha helix really could be used to explain the structure of such proteins as alpha keratin, and the Royal Society was organizing a symposium to help resolve the differences about this important discovery.


Linus Pauling was working on the structure of DNA too:
"Linus Pauling and the Race For DNA - A documentary history"

Linus Pauling coorespondence to Victor Rothschild: On the hunt for DNA

http://osulibrary.oregonstate.edu/specialcollections/coll/pauling/calendar/1952/02/index.html
February 7 1952

Letter from Victor Rothschild of Merton Hall, Cambridge [?] to LP RE: Invites LP to stay with him on the upcoming trip to England and carry out proposed experiments on bull spermatozoa.

The DNA - LSD connection... Crick and Watson discover DNA in 1953 - Just about when the Sequoia Seminars Begin...

http://www.geraldheard.com/bio1.htm

Gerald Heard,  Christopher Isherwood, Sir Julian Huxley Auldous Huxley and Linus Pauling L.A. 1960

http://metabraingrowthprocess.tribe.net/thread/763d39f5-39dd-4c19-a06e-5426874f1bd5
Nobel Prize genius Crick was high on LSD - when he discovered the secret of life
Copyright 2004 Associated Newspapers Ltd. Mail on Sunday (London) 
August 8, 2004  BY ALUN REES

FRANCIS CRICK, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced thedouble-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.

The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge to the nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had discovered the secret of life.

Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not  the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.

Despite his Establishment image, Crick was a devotee of novelist Aldous Huxley, whose accounts of his experiments with LSD and another hallucinogen, mescaline, in the short stories The Doors Of Perception and Heaven And Hell became cult texts for the hippies of the Sixties and Seventies.

In the late Sixties, Crick was a founder member of Soma, a legalise-cannabis group named after the drug in Huxley's novel Brave New World. He even put his name to a famous letter to The Times in 1967 calling for a reform in the drugs laws.


Victor Rothschild - MI5 Mossad

Rothschild was thought by many to be more loyal to his Jewish heritage than anything English. According to both CIA and Mossad sources, Rothschild was very useful to the Israelis in 'mending fences' with some neighbours in the Middle East after the disruption of the Six-Day conflict. For instance, he called on his old friend the Shah of Iran and suggested several 'crop breeding' ventures, which had been perfected in Israel and elsewhere. Some were adapted in Iran. To many observers Rothschild may have been an unwilling Soviet asset after the war until 1963, but their can be no doubt that he would have willingly spied for Israel. In fact Philby claims that on leaving MI5 in 1947, Rothschild had seized or copied all the six by four file cards listing known or supposed Soviet agents in Europe and elsewhere.

http://www.savethemales.ca/001411.html
Was Victor Rothschild a "Soviet" Agent? (Encore)

Between 1935 and 1963, the Soviet Union knew all of Britain's military and scientific secrets thanks to "The Cambridge Five" a spy ring that operated in M1-5, MI-6 and the Foreign Office. Western intelligence agencies were rendered ineffective and Allied secrets including the design of the atomic bomb were stolen.

The traitors were Kim Philby, Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess and Anthony Blunt. But there is a natural reluctance to admit that "the Fifth Man" was Nathaniel Meyer Victor Rothschild (1910-1990), the Third Baron Rothschild, the British head of the world's richest banking dynasty , which controls the Bank of England.

In 1993, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, six retired KGB Colonels in Moscow confirmed Rothschild's identity to Roland Perry. Col. Yuri Modin, the spy ring's handler, went on the record.

http://www.theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=10708
Mentmore Towers  - The Castle in Kubrick's Wide Eyes Shut was built in reality by Baron Mayer de Rothschild


http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-waddesdonmanor
Waddesdon Manor


Waddesdon Manor -This astonishing Renaissance-style château was designed by French architect Destailleur in 1874 for Baron Ferdinand de Rothschild to display his vast collection of 18th century art treasures.

Interesting Obit of Victor Rothschild's Wife:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-teresa-lady-rothschild-1349971.html
Obituary: Teresa, Lady Rothschild   Noel Annan and James Ferguson

Tess Rothschild was as much a Cambridge figure as her husband Victor, the scientist and head of Edward Heath's "Think Tank".
She was born a Mayor.
Three of her ancestors were Fellows of St John's and her father was a great-nephew of the philosopher John Grote. He was Senior Classic, a Fellow of King's (College) and (like her husband, her brother and son- in-law) an Apostle.

Teresa Georgina Mayor, wartime intelligence officer: born London 10 September 1915; married 1946 Victor, third Baron Rothschild (died 1990; one son, two daughters, and one son deceased); died London 29 May 1996. MBE
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During the Second World War she worked for MI5 and became assistant to Victor Rothschild, in anti-sabotage operations. His first marriage had ended, and in 1946 they married.

For 15 years they lived at Merton Hall on the Backs and then, when St John's College bought the house, they were granted a lease to build a house on Herschel Road where their children grew up. The eldest, Emma, held academic posts at MIT and Paris before being elected a Fellow of King's; the second daughter, Victoria, became a lecturer at Queen Mary College, London; and her son, Amschel, entered N.M. Rothschild & Sons.


St. John’s College - "Merton Hall" Cambridge

[ I cannot find a photo of Tess Rothschild!!! ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Apostles
The Cambridge Apostles, also known as the Cambridge Conversazione Society, is an intellectual secret society at the University of Cambridge founded in 1820 by George Tomlinson, a Cambridge student who went on to become the first Bishop of Gibraltar.[1]
The society traditionally drew most of its members from St John's, King's and Trinity Colleges

The Apostles came to public attention again following the exposure of the Cambridge spy ring in 1951. Three Cambridge graduates with access to the top levels of government in Britain, one of them a former Apostle, were eventually found to have passed information to the KGB. The three known agents were Apostle Guy Burgess, an MI6 officer and secretary to the deputy foreign minister; Donald MacLean, foreign office secretary; and Kim Philby, MI6 officer and journalist.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Rothschild+heir+found+hanged+in+hotel.-a061258435
Rothschild heir found hanged in hotel
He was also said to be depressed over the death of his mother, Lady Teresa Rothschild, last month.


Amschel Mayor James Rothschild by Bernard Lee ('Bern') Schwartz dye transfer print, 12 November 1976
[ I defy you to find a photo on the web of him... ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amschel_Mayor_James_Rothschild
Amschel Mayor James Rothschild (18 April 1955 – 8 July 1996, Paris)
Rothschild committed suicide in July 1996. He was found hanged at the Hotel Bristol in Paris.

The suicide came hours after a meeting, during which plans were discussed for a massive merger of asset management companies.
His death was originally reported as being due to a heart attack

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituaries-amschel-rothschild-1328200.html
Obituaries: Amschel Rothschild
James Fergusson   Thursday, 11 July 1996
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Amschel was regularly billed as the heir presumptive to Sir Evelyn de Rothschild for the chairmanship (Sir Evelyn's children being still too young to be candidates), though newspaper reports would be sniffy about his prospects; they implied his profile was too low, that with his gentle manner he was too "nice", that he lacked the killer instinct. I wonder if they were right.
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Amschel Mayor James Rothschild, banker: born London 18 April 1955; director, Rothschild Asset Management 1990-96, chief executive 1990-93, executive chairman 1993-96; director, N.M. Rothschild & Sons 1993-96; married 1981 Anita Guinness (one son, two daughters); died Paris 8 July 1996

Interesting also was Victor Rothschild's Sister: Dame Miriam Louisa Rothschild CBE DBE FRS 



1932 ‎(Age 23)‎ First zoological publication
between 1936 and 1939 ‎(Age 27)‎ Co-editor of Novitates Zoologicae, the journal of the natural history museum created by the Rothschild family ‎(esp. by her uncle Lionel Rothschild)‎ at Tring Park, Hertfordshire
between 1940 and 1945 ‎(Age 31)‎ Worked in code-breaking at Bletchley Park
1953 ‎(Age 44)‎ Published ‎(with Theresa Clay [I12772]‎), Fleas, Flukes and Cuckoos: a study of bird parasites

See: the Dr. Robert Traub - Plum Island - Fleas connection:

Dr. Traub was so devoted to the fleas that he amassed one of the world's two best collections of them, said his frequent collaborator, Miriam Rothschild of Peterborough, England, who is a noted flea authority herself and oversees the world's other great flea archive, at the Natural History Museum in London. Dr. Traub and Ms. Rothschild together wrote a definitive work, ''The Rothschild Collection of Fleas: The Ceratophyllidae'' (Cambridge University Press, 1983).


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/25/science/25rothschild.html
Miriam Rothschild, High-Spirited Naturalist, Dies at 96
By DOUGLAS MARTIN  Published: January 25, 2005
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Was it odd that a scion of the venerable Rothschild clan should become the world's leading expert on fleas? Hardly. Dame Miriam's father was the banker Nathaniel Charles Rothschild, who found more than 500 new species of fleas. His daughter's six-volume catalog of his collection of 30,000 specimens, which she completed in 20 years beginning in 1953, firmly established her as the flea authority other experts consulted.

Her uncle Lionel Walter Rothschild's collections were just as inspirational. He amassed 2.3 million butterflies, 300,000 bird skins, 144 giant tortoises and 300,000 birds' eggs, among other things.

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Her childhood, as described in a 1987 New Yorker profile by Kennedy Fraser, was "like a fairy tale: the palatial houses stuffed with mysteries and treasures; the grandfather who liked to shower gold half-sovereigns from his carriage; the brilliant dotty uncle with his cassowaries and his white top hat."
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Re: Vitamin C - Linus Pauling was right all along. A doctor's opinion
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2015, 04:06:35 PM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9926292
Effects of high dose vitamin C treatment on Helicobacter pylori infection and total vitamin C concentration in gastric juice.
Eur J Cancer Prev. 1998 Dec;7(6):449-54.

Abstract

Low gastric juice total vitamin C concentration in the presence of Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) infection probably plays a role in gastric carcinogenesis.


In vitro vitamin C has been shown to inhibit the growth of H. pylori. The aims of this study were to determine the effect of high dose vitamin C administration on H. pylori infection and on gastric juice total vitamin C concentration in patients with H. pylori related chronic gastritis.

Sixty patients with dyspeptic symptoms and proven chronic gastritis and H. pylori infection, who were undergoing routine endoscopy, entered the study after giving informed consent. They were randomly coded into two treatment groups. Group 1 (controls, n = 28) were treated with antacids for 4 weeks and Group 2 (n = 32) received vitamin C 5g daily also for 4 weeks. Nine patients did not complete the study and were excluded. Plasma and gastric juice total vitamin C levels were measured at baseline, at the end of 4 weeks treatment and again 4 weeks after treatment cessation. In the control group H. pylori infection remained unchanged in all 24 patients throughout as did the mean gastric juice total vitamin C concentration.

However, in the vitamin C treated group eight of 27 patients (30%) who completed the treatment course the H. pylori infection was eradicated (P = 0.01). In these patients the mean gastric juice total vitamin C concentration rose significantly from 7.2 +/- 1.6 micrograms/ml after 4 weeks treatment (P < M 0.001) and 19.8 micrograms/ml 4 weeks after treatment was discontinued (P < 0.001). In the remaining 19 patients with persistent H. pylori infection, the mean gastric juice total vitamin C concentration rose less than in those with successful H. pylori eradication; 6.3 +/- 1.7 micrograms/ml before treatment, 10.8 +/- 1.5 micrograms/ml after 4 weeks treatment (P < 0.05) and a return to pre-treatment levels (7.1 +/- 2.7 micrograms/ml) 4 weeks after vitamin C intake stopped. There were no side effects of vitamin C treatment.

This study has shown that 4 weeks daily high dose vitamin C treatment in H. pylori infected patients with chronic gastritis resulted in apparent H. pylori eradication in 30% of those treated. In those patients there was also a highly significant rise in gastric juice total vitamin C concentration which persisted for at least 4 weeks after the treatment ceased. A significant, though less marked, gastric juice total vitamin C concentration increase was observed during vitamin C treatment even in subjects with persistent H. pylori infection, though this was not maintained after treatment ended. The mechanism whereby vitamin C treatment appeared to result in H. pylori eradication is unclear. Further confirmatory studies are indicated.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3199288/New-hope-lung-disease-sufferers-stomach-bug-Bacteria-common-patients-pulmonary-conditions-detected-simple-breath-test-treated-antibiotics.html

New hope for lung disease sufferers... in a stomach bug: Bacteria that is common among patients with pulmonary conditions is detected by a simple breath test and can treated with antibiotics
The bacteria helicobacter pylori often found in pulmonary disease patients
It can be detected with a simple breath test and treated with antibiotics
May point to new ways of tackling chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Levels of the bacteria up to three times higher in COPD patients, study finds

By Roger Dobson for The Mail on Sunday

Published: 16:07 EST, 15 August 2015  | Updated: 19:18 EST, 15 August 2015
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The bacteria helicobacter pylori, which is involved in the development of stomach ulcers, has been found to be common in patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).

The findings may point the way to new ways of tackling COPD, because H. pylori can be detected with a breath test and treated with antibiotics.
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