Evidence points to breakdown in US / UK Relations

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I do not love Gordon Brown. That statement is an ad-hominem attack on me. I have never stated or implied I love Gordon Brown. I have never voted in a political election because I realised by the time I was eleven years old I did not live in a democracy.

You say he "covered up" various events - but you seem to miss the point I am making totally: People lower down the hierarchy are not told the truth and believe the lies they are told - and then sell.

There is a SIMPLISTIC approach being taken which makes the people taking it as ignorant as the heads of the power elite. They think we are lower beings than them: they are wrong. We are neither lower nor higher. If you start thinking you are better than them you have lost the plot completely.

Their behaviours may be horrendous and disgusting but they are not lower humans than us. They think what they are doing is right because they were raised to do so.

However you can not tar all with the same brush: You must realise there are fools being used even in very high places. If you are going to hate all fools life will be a bitch, NWO or not.

You gotta be kidding me.  Gordon Brown is just an ignorant guy that stumbled into the PM position and has been fooled by his puppetmasters? You are saying that we know more about his puppetteers than he does?  He is just a poor innocent ignoramous that believes propoganda.  He does not realize that the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, the Plans for Iran, Bali, 7/7, 9/11, Africa, Gaza, and other genocides are covered up.  He just thinks he is telling everyone the truth as he knows it.

Wow, that is amazing.  I guess you do not love Gordon Brown, you just have compassion for him like you might for a puppy or something.  Gordon is just mentally handicapped in a way I suppose.

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The "special relationship" will always be special.

The British never lost control of America, they just gave up overt control.  America is run by the real government, or "Establishment", which operates above politics.  Britain is run by the same Establishment.  One of its most important branches in America is the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR, cafir = cattle driver) which is just the American branch of the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Obama was recenty asked, in public, if he was a member of the CFR, and he said that he had given a speech there but wasn't sure if he was a member because he didn't have a membership card.  Then he was asked about the North American Union* and he pretended he didn't know anything about it.  Change indeed.

Brown and Obama are just puppets, like all their predecessors, who implement the policy of the real government, knowingly and willingly.  The special relationship is part of the system.

* August 23, 2007 Alan Watt blurb - CFR openly boast about being behind the NAU
Integration of the Americas - First Open Declaration, March 23, 2005 - mp3 - transcript

Here are some more Alan Watt mp3s with information onthe Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), the CFR, the Club of Rome and the EU/NAU:

November 9, 2006
Brigands, Bankers, and Bagmen (Royal Institute for International Affairs / CFR) - mp3 - transcript

May 4, 2007
Great Britain, Embryo of World Government - 1938 Report From Royal Institute of International Affairs' Global Meeting - mp3 - transcript

May 30, 2007 - Club of Rome admit to being behindthe man-made global warming propaganda, in their book The First Global Revolution
Crisis Creation by the Club of Rome - Clubbing Us to Death - mp3 - transcript

Oct. 19, 2007
"Sir James Goldsmith U.S. Senate Speech - Nov. 15, 1994" - mp3 - transcript
(A Supplement to Oct. 17, 2007 "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN (ads removed):
"Fascism Weds Socialism Begets Fascocialism - For A "Brave New World"" - mp3 - transcript)
Oct. 19, 2007
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN (ads removed):
"The World According to GATT - For Fat Cats" - mp3 - transcript

April 18, 2008 - Gordon Brown's Speech at the Kennedy Center
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN (ads removed):
"The Nation-State is now Transcendent,
You are now Global Slaves and Interdependent,
The Rise of Dominion, the Death of the Nation,
Welcome to the Global Plantation" - mp3 - transcript
Analysis of Gordon Brown Speech at Kennedy Center
(Article: "Accidents at Disease Lab Acknowledged" by Larry Margasak, NewsChannel 8 (news8.net) - April 11, 2008.)
(Article: "British prime minister calls for global 'interdependence'" by Denise Lavoie, Associated Press Writer (boston.com) - April 18, 2008.)
(Speech: "Prime Minister's (Gordon Brown) Kennedy Memorial lecture" (at usvisit.pm.gov.uk) - April 18, 2008.)

More Alan Watt mp3s here.

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The British lost control of America a few times, they just attempted (or accomplished) assassinating the president they disliked.

We'll see what the result of this meeting that is being touted by the UK press as so importent is. Brown admitted he is attempting to get Obama to back his G-20 Summit Grand Bargain, if Obama caves in to Brown we all need to call Congress and the Whitehouse nonstop until G20.

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Just to highlight the UK's priorities, he is ignoring domestic issues and bringing Obama a little pen from a warship, how cute.


http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/themole,,brown-flies-to-washington-leaving-harman-swinging-in-the-wind,75742

Brown flies to Washington leaving Harman swinging in the wind

Gordon Brown packed his bags for his flight to Washington today, leaving Harriet Harman swinging in the wind over her claim that the Government is ready to step in to stop Sir Fred Goodwin's controversial £650k pension.

Brown's baggage includes a gift of a pen-holder constructed from the timbers of HMS Gannet, a 19th Century warship, for his meeting with Barack Obama tomorrow.

The two men will discuss Brown's role as the world's saviour during the economic meltdown, the US troop surge in Afghanistan and "other foreign affairs issues". This is almost certain to include the changing attitude in Washington to Russia and Prime Minister Putin, the siting of missiles in eastern Europe for the Star Wars programme which upset Moscow, and a possible Russian-US alliance in dealing with the thorny issue of Iran and its nuclear ambitions.

At Number 10, there was much animated discussion about the approach to take towards Harman's bonkers assertion that the Government is going to "step in" to stop Sir Fred's pension.

It was decided to feed the lobby a minimal line - that the Government was "exploring all legal options" for reducing Sir Fred's "unacceptable" rewards for crashing RBS into the financial buffers.

All questions about Harman's pledge to stop the Goodwin pension being paid - reported in my earlier file today - are to be deflected with the same stock answer, leaving Harman to answer for herself on Wednesday when she takes Prime Minister's Questions in Brown's absence.

William Hague will be standing in for David Cameron (he remains on compassionate leave following the death of his son, Ivan) and while Harman has seen off Hague in the past at PMQs, Brown and his coterie will be keen to see how she does on her own this time. The fact is, few will be sorry if she falls flat on her face for, despite her constant denials, they remain convinced that she has been manoeuvering to undermine the PM.

Brown, who will address the US Congress on Wednesday, is determined to show he has his eyes set on "horizon issues", such as the global economic crisis, and that he is marching arm-in-arm with the President of the United States.

Harman, having dug a hole for herself, will have to get herself out of it.

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The British lost control of America a few times, they just attempted (or accomplished) assassinating the president they disliked.

That's not losing control, that's maintaining control.

Also, I assume you've seen the long list of strange "coincidences" between Kennedy and Lincoln e.g. Kennedy's secretary was called Lincoln and Lincoln's was called Kennedy, both were replaced by President Johnson, both full names of the "lone assassins" had 3 words and 15 letters, etc.  The possibility that the occult "Killing of the King" ritual was planned before JFK was even born ought at least to be considered, in my opinion.

We'll see what the result of this meeting that is being touted by the UK press as so importent is. Brown admitted he is attempting to get Obama to back his G-20 Summit Grand Bargain, if Obama caves in to Brown we all need to call Congress and the Whitehouse nonstop until G20.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

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well, my opinion on the matter is , we are in an obvious situation comparable to the collapse of Europe in the 1340's that killed alot of people, this time on a global scale.

So , i would assume some people would argue about what the correct way to go about the issue is. There may also be power grabs considering the situation, we've seen quite a few Ponzi Schemes measured in the billions go down.

You never know what is going on behind certain closed doors.

As for JFK/Lincoln i don't see anything other than the obvious, their ideas and policies got them killed. And they had very similar ideas.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5821826.ece

Step aside, limey, this is how to fight the Taliban

THE American marines call Route 515 the most dangerous road in Afghanistan. It is a bumpy desert track linking Helmand with Iran, and until recently it was beyond the reach of anyone but smugglers.

The men from Weapons Company expect to get blown up every time they leave their camp to patrol between the poppy fields in giant mine-resistant, ambush-proof trucks. “We’ve taken some hits,” said Sergeant Marquis Summers, in an unusual moment of understatement.

Automatic grenade launchers and 50-calibre machineguns peer over their turrets, but it is the mine rollers at the front – like massive snowploughs – that offer the best protection. They are designed to trigger pressure plates before the armoured vehicles pass over buried explosives.

In a month the marines have found more than 30 improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, buried in the road. The remains of the marines’ charred Humvees are piled up in Camp Bastion. Two of their comrades have died in the battle for control of the road. The soldiers say the Taliban pour petrol on the bombs to ignite their trucks.


The troops, from a 2,000-man taskforce based in Helmand, have pushed west into Farah province to choke the Taliban’s supply lines, part of an American plan to contain what they perceive as British “failures” in southern Afghanistan.

Privately the Americans are fiercely critical that the overstretched British are merely “treading water” until more US forces arrive this summer.

The US tactic of taking control of the roads appears to mirror the Taliban’s attempts to target Nato supply convoys in Pakistan’s volatile Khyber region, where dozens of Nato lorries and fuel tankers have been stolen or burned.

On the other side of Helmand, US infantry are expanding two new bases in Maiwand, called Ramrod and Terminator, to control the road that runs east into Kandahar.

In Oruzgan province, to the north, work is going on to expand a special forces camp, which the Americans use to launch raids on the Taliban’s mountain hideouts.

In Washir, Nahr Sukh and Garmsir, three districts in central and southern Helmand, US special forces are probing Taliban strength ahead of the summer surge.

Nato’s most senior commander in Afghanistan, David McKiernan, an American, has conceded that the British are locked in a stalemate in Helmand. Privately, British officials admit they do not have enough soldiers to control the ground. “We clear an area and the Taliban run away,” said one official. “But the soldiers can’t stay, so the Taliban creep back. It’s pointless.” American Green Berets and marine special forces are operating in parts of Helmand virtually untouched by the British. Small patrols drive into hostile areas to draw Taliban fire. Last Tuesday, 16 militants were killed in Nahr Sukh, a few miles from British headquarters in Lashkar Gah, when special forces called in airstrikes on a compound from which they had been attacked.

Nato officers say the number of troops in Helmand is expected to double when 8,000 marines and 4,000 soldiers promised by President Barack Obama start arriving at the end of May. Although Britain has about 8,300 troops in Afghanistan, only 4,500 are based in Helmand. The Americans are expected to outnumber them by the end of summer. Most of the marines in Helmand will be deployed in Garmsir to sever supply lines with Pakistan.

Major-General Mart de Kruif, Nato’s senior general in southern Afghanistan, said central Helmand was the Taliban’s top priority. “They see it as their heartland,” he said.

“And they are fighting hardest there because there is a clear nexus between the insurgency and the drugs trade, which they are fighting to protect.”

There are signs of tension between the allies. American commanders even suggest that the British do not have a clear “campaign plan”. “Headquarters staff wanted to know what was going on, what was the goal,” said a western diplomat familiar with the row.

The Americans have refused to take orders from Britain’s Taskforce Helmand, which is nominally in charge. They report directly to a regional headquarters in Kandahar. Americans joke that ISAF, the acronym for the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force, which includes most British forces, stands for I Saw Americans Fighting.

America’s focus on the routes through Helmand is linked to a clampdown on the drugs trade. US officials have been frustrated at Britain’s reluctance to tackle poppy farmers and heroin traffickers for fear of alienating local people. American diplomats advocate aerial spraying to wipe out poppy fields.

Lieutenant-Colonel David Odom, of the US marines ground combat element, stationed in Farah, said the insurgents used the roads west of Helmand to move “weapons, drugs and poppy money” to and from Iran and Pakistan.

The flying drones that patrol the roads day and night have watched thousands gather at impromptu bazaars to trade guns and drugs, often within a few miles of their bases. Even the Americans do not have sufficient troops to stop them.

Britain continues to pay a bloody price for its involvement. Last week four soldiers were killed, bringing total British military deaths in Afghanistan since 2001 to 149.

Rifleman Jamie Gunn, acting Lance Corporal Paul Upton and Corporal Tom Gaden, of 1st Battalion the Rifles, died when their open-top Land Rover was hit by an IED in Gereshk. Royal Marine Michael Laski, 21, from 45 Commando, died of wounds from an earlier attack. President Hamid Karzai said yesterday that presidential elections must take place in Afghanistan before May 21.

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Is Drudge reading this thread? links from Drudgereport

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article5821821.ece
March 1, 2009
The special relationship is going global
By Gordon Brown
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Now, in this generation, we must renew our work together once again.
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I see this global new deal as an agreement that every continent injects resources into its economy.
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I have always been an Atlanticist and a great admirer of the American spirit of enterprise and national purpose. I have visited America many times and have many friends there, and as prime minister I want to do more to strengthen even further our relationship with America.
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Britain and America may be separated by the thousands of miles of the Atlantic, but we are united by shared values that can never be broken. And as America stands at its own dawn of hope, I want that hope to be fulfilled through us all coming together to shape the 21st century as the first century of a truly global society.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5822265.ece

March 1, 2009
Brown woos Obama on global deal
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Brown is under pressure to persuade American political leaders to sign up to bold aims for the G20 summit of industrial and leading developing nations, which is to be held in London next month
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Drudge getting info from me? i am flattered...

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to be honest, it would take a fool of a journalist to not notice all the rhetoric coming from the UK Press.

It's being reported on various other sites too.

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Times of London continues to kiss Obama's ass.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5835252.ece

"Globalisation is not an option, it is a fact" Gordon Brown


Gordon Brown heads for Washington with history on his side

Gordon Brown will arrive at the White House today bearing a present for President Obama: a desk ornament carved from the antique oak timbers of HMS Gannet, a ship Britain used to suppress the slave trade in the 19th century.

Gannet was a sister ship to HMS Resolute, which provided the wood for the desk given to President Hayes by Queen Victoria in 1880. The desk remains in the Oval Office as a testament to the length and depth of the relationship between the two countries.

The wooden ornament replaces the last gift from Britain to adorn the Oval Office: a bronze bust of Winston Churchill, the war-time leader who was idolised by President Bush.

Although the Government offered to extend the loan of the bust, since the inauguration of Mr Obama it has been returned to the British Embassy and replaced by President Lincoln, who issued the emancipation proclamation for slaves.


Before leaving London, Mr Brown poured praise on the transformative impression given to the world by “the election of a black man who has won the presidency, who is living in the White House that was built by slaves”.

He added: “I want to talk about the renewal of our relationship for new times. Past British prime ministers have gone to Washington to talk about wars. I'm going to talk about the stability for the future.”

Even without this oblique reference, it was perhaps inevitable that Mr Blair should find himself in Washington just when his successor hoped to have the spotlight all to himself. Mr Blair is attending a conference on climate change, a date aides pointed out had long been in his diary. They emphasised that he was there at the invitation of Mr Brown's own Government. There are no plans for a meeting between the two.

Mr Brown is aiming to recalibrate the US-UK relationship of the past seven years, which was, in defiance of public opinion back home, dependent on Britain's role as Mr Bush's ally-in-chief for an invasion of Iraq and the prosecution of the War on Terror.

The Prime Minister is determined that Britain will play a full part in helping Mr Obama to shape the world's future, knowing that his own prospects of pulling off an unlikely political comeback at the next general election rest heavily on Mr Obama's slender shoulders.

Although Mr Obama has announced he is withdrawing American combat troops from Iraq over the next 19 months, many will be redeployed to Afghanistan, where a resurgent Taleban is threatening to defeat an unevenly organised Nato operation. While Britain fully expects to remain the second-biggest contributor of troops, Mr Brown is reluctant to commit many more than the 8,300 members of the Armed Forces already there.

Instead, the Prime Minister will seek to use Britain's expertise in diplomacy and development to further the Obama Administration's re-engagement in the Middle East peace process and efforts to improve relations with Iran and persuade Pakistan to take on the Taleban and destroy al-Qaeda strongholds across the Afghan border.

Mr Brown's top priority, however, is to bind the President into his vision for a global new deal before next month's G20 economic summit in London, and bolster Mr Obama's resolve in the face of pressure from Democrats for protectionism and scepticism that the United States can afford to tackle climate change.

Although Mr Brown said Mr Obama was taking very difficult economic decisions and doing “similar things to what we are doing in Britain”, there are concerns that the Administration remains too America-centric and fails to recognise how sensitive any fragile recovery will be to economic nationalist tendencies.

The stimulus package recently approved by Congress included “Buy American” clauses that the White House succeeded in neutering by promising they would comply with existing trade agreements. But influential backers among the unions and within Congress say they expect Mr Obama to keep promises, rashly made while campaigning through rustbelt states last year, to protect US jobs by applying the letter of the law or even renegotiating deals such as the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Mr Brown acknowledged that the President faces a fight against special interests on both the economy and climate change, where American industry says that a $15 billion levy on carbon use will only inflict further trauma on a stricken manufacturing base.

As a life-long admirer and student of the American progressive tradition, the Prime Minister believes there is a close symmetry between his own world view and that of the President. Although they have met face to face only twice, aides say they get on well and exhibit a similarly cerebral approach to politics. “You cannot but be impressed by his demeanour, his determination, not just his fluency, but his sympathy for the causes he represents,” Mr Brown said yesterday.

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wtf Brown really wants to set US Policy doesn't he that little coward, telling congress to resist protectionism so the UK doesn't collapse?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b32b6ade-075a-11de-9294-000077b07658.html

Brown to tackle US on protectionism
By George Parker, Alex Barker and Jim Pickard

Published: March 2 2009 22:06 | Last updated: March 2 2009 22:06

Gordon Brown will on Wednesday challenge Democrats on Capitol Hill to resist protectionism, as he attempts to win Barack Obama’s support for a G20 agenda based on open markets, international financial reform and green technology. The prime minister, who hosts the G20 economic summit in London next month, is anxious to find common ground with Mr Obama, who has yet to show his hand over his ambitions for the meeting.

Mr Brown on Tuesday becomes the first European leader to meet the US president since his inauguration in January, hoping the summit will revive the reputation he enjoyed last autumn as a global financial statesman.

EDITOR’S CHOICE
Brown to engage Obama on global scale - Mar-01.Relationship under spotlight - Mar-01.Civilian role in foreign missions faces cuts - Mar-02.Brown to address US Congress - Feb-25.Brown furious at Sarkozy VAT attack - Feb-06.Envoys play down ceasefire hopes - Jan-04..Mr Brown will take his campaign against protectionism to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday, where he will hail the Obama administration’s investment of at least $45bn (£32bn) in green power and energy efficiency as a model the world should follow. Many European capitals fear that Mr Obama’s ability to lead the world out of the recession could be hampered by protectionist tendencies among Democrats in Congress.

Mr Brown meets Mr Obama on Tuesday for talks that will focus on the G20 agenda and touch on African development, before addressing a joint session of Congress on Wednesday.

The prime minister’s team says it will be a highly personal speech, reflecting his admiration for the US. He is likely to make less play of his repeated assertion in London that the recession was made in the US.

Mr Brown’s love of the US is well known, but the British delegation is far less certain of the extent to which that will be reciprocated by the new US president.

Mr Obama removed a bust of Sir Winston Churchill from the White House – on loan from Britain since the September 11 attacks – sparking speculation about this commitment to what London insists is still a “special relationship”.

In its place Mr Brown is bringing a pen holder, fashioned from wood from HMS Gannet, made at the same Chatham dockyard as HMS Resolute, from whose timbers the presidential desk in the Oval office was made.

Mr Brown is also bringing a first edition of Sir Martin Gilbert’s biography of Churchill, who ordered the suppression of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya in the 1950s; Mr Obama’s grandfather was detained as a subversive for six months at that time.

Mr Brown’s advocacy of a global green revolution is in keeping with British rhetoric on the environment, but Britain still produces only 1.5 per cent of its energy from renewables, less than any other European Union country except Malta and Luxembourg.

Afghanistan will feature in discussions in the White House, but British officials are not expecting an agreement for Britain to send more troops as an outcome to the meeting.

Contingency plans have been prepared in case Britain decides to send reinforcements for the Afghan elections, but even these may be scuppered by a move by Hamid Karzai, president, to bring forward the elections to the spring.

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Mr Obama removed a bust of Sir Winston Churchill from the White House – on loan from Britain since the September 11 attacks – sparking speculation about this commitment to what London insists is still a “special relationship”.

This is the guy that got us into WWII, spent most of WWII drunk and had body and voice doubles to put it over on us .... If we only knew then what we do now.....
But since the truth came dribbling out they've got to keep the myth alive.... like this...

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=101
An actor read Churchill's wartime speeches over the wireless.
By Sir Robert Rhodes James

The fact is that he did it, and no one else did it for him.

On June 4th, 1940 in the House of Commons, at the darkest moment in British history, Winston Churchill made one of the greatest speeches in the annals of oratory.
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Churchill had made, and was to make, much greater speeches; but none of them had the impact of this brief peroration. His immediate audience was stunned, and then erupted into a prolonged ovation.

From this great event a remarkable mythology has developed and prospered. Its origins came from David Irving in his Churchill's War, Volume I, published in 1987, p. 313:

"That evening the BBC broadcast his speech after the News. The whole nation thrilled, not knowing that Churchill had refused to repeat it before the microphone. A BBC actor -- 'Larry the Lamb' of the Children's Hour -- had agreed to mimic the prime minister before the microphone, and nobody was any the wiser."

The actor who claimed to have read the speech was Norman Shelley. Irving's sole authority was Shelley himself, although, as it will be seen, under curious circumstances. It was a very dramatic allegation, particularly from that source, and intrinsically deeply suspect, but somehow it became an established fact, accepted unthinkingly by later biographers and historians, including John Charmley, Clive Ponting and, astonishingly, even Philip Ziegler, who is in an entirely different league. In 1991 Irving went even further, claiming that "several times in 1940 millions of radio listeners were tricked into believing that they were hearing Churchill's voice;" Ponting repeated Irving's apparently authoritative statement that this happened on several occasions.

The sheer improbability of this story in itself should have alerted serious historians, but it was my late All Souls colleague D.J. Wenden who spotted the first clues to this falsehood. For one thing, there was no Churchill broadcast on June 4th; the newsreader read extracts on the evening radio news.
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Having read all these articles my view is as it was before: this is the superficial gossip aimed at the self-defined intellectual meant to provide a narrative - a storyline with a cast of characters - to obscure the underlying agenda...

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/03/barack_obama_cancels_press_conference_with_gordon_brown_because_of_snow


Barack Obama cancels press conference with Gordon Brown "because of snow"

Strange goings on surrounding the programme for the first day of Gordon Brown's visit to Washington.

No sooner had the Prime Minister's plane touched down at Andrews Air Force on Monday evening when word was passed to travelling Westminster correspondents that the press conference they'd been told to expect had been called off "because of snow".

Hours earlier, at around 4pm EST on Monday, a British official had told me that there would be a "press conference" after the PM and President Barack Obama had met in the Oval Office and before they had their working lunch in the Old Family Dining Room. Exact timings, however, were vague.

By 8pm, the press conference - if there'd ever been one planned - was officially off. The White House press schedule stated: "There will be a pool spray of the meeting." In layman's language, that means a small collection of reporters and perhaps two or three quick questions. That means something very quick and ample opportunity to dodge anything difficult.

As Ben Brogan of the Mail puts it, this is "not the standing podium-to-podium with the Messiah image that Mr Brown imagined". Trying to spin as best they can, the British Embassy is describing it as a "press availability" while Downing Street officials are apparently saying that "we are still negotiating".

Brogan quotes one Number 10 apparatchik as saying: "We're trying for something a bit more intimate but there won't be flags and podiums. We were going to do one in the Rose Garden but with the weather. They will be together and they will take questions."

Oddly enough, at White House press secretary Robert Gibbs's 2pm briefing, he said that "I believe it's going to be some questions in the Oval". Although he added that "I don't know the answer to all of the logistics", it was pretty clear at that stage - within the White House at least - that there wasn't going to be a press conference.               

The notion that there would ever have been a press conference scheduled in the Rose Garden at the start of March is, of course, faintly ridiculous.

Mr Brown might be forgiven for thinking that his friend, rival and predecessor Tony Blair would not have been treated the same way by his bosom buddy President George W. Bush. After all, there are 132 rooms in the White House at least some of which, presumably, are currently be free of snow.

On the other hand, President Obama is terribly busy this Tuesday. The White House schedule tells us that he is delivering remarks at the Department of Transportation to deliver remarks about the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and is also speaking at the Department of Interior to mark its 160th anniversary.

There's a conflab with Pentagon chief Bob Gates. Oh, and Mr Obama will also meet "a delegation from the Boy Scouts of America and receive their 2008 Report to the Nation". in the Oval Office.

Mr Brown might lament that despite the so-called "special relationship" Britain is now getting the same treatment as the President of Uruguay but he need not despair. I'm told there's a chance he might get drinks with Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday evening.

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/03/barack_obama_cancels_press_conference_with_gordon_brown_because_of_snow


Barack Obama cancels press conference with Gordon Brown "because of snow"

Strange goings on surrounding the programme for the first day of Gordon Brown's visit to Washington.

No sooner had the Prime Minister's plane touched down at Andrews Air Force on Monday evening when word was passed to travelling Westminster correspondents that the press conference they'd been told to expect had been called off "because of snow".

Hours earlier, at around 4pm EST on Monday, a British official had told me that there would be a "press conference" after the PM and President Barack Obama had met in the Oval Office and before they had their working lunch in the Old Family Dining Room. Exact timings, however, were vague.

By 8pm, the press conference - if there'd ever been one planned - was officially off. The White House press schedule stated: "There will be a pool spray of the meeting." In layman's language, that means a small collection of reporters and perhaps two or three quick questions. That means something very quick and ample opportunity to dodge anything difficult.

As Ben Brogan of the Mail puts it, this is "not the standing podium-to-podium with the Messiah image that Mr Brown imagined". Trying to spin as best they can, the British Embassy is describing it as a "press availability" while Downing Street officials are apparently saying that "we are still negotiating".

Brogan quotes one Number 10 apparatchik as saying: "We're trying for something a bit more intimate but there won't be flags and podiums. We were going to do one in the Rose Garden but with the weather. They will be together and they will take questions."

Oddly enough, at White House press secretary Robert Gibbs's 2pm briefing, he said that "I believe it's going to be some questions in the Oval". Although he added that "I don't know the answer to all of the logistics", it was pretty clear at that stage - within the White House at least - that there wasn't going to be a press conference.               

The notion that there would ever have been a press conference scheduled in the Rose Garden at the start of March is, of course, faintly ridiculous.

Mr Brown might be forgiven for thinking that his friend, rival and predecessor Tony Blair would not have been treated the same way by his bosom buddy President George W. Bush. After all, there are 132 rooms in the White House at least some of which, presumably, are currently be free of snow.

On the other hand, President Obama is terribly busy this Tuesday. The White House schedule tells us that he is delivering remarks at the Department of Transportation to deliver remarks about the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and is also speaking at the Department of Interior to mark its 160th anniversary.

There's a conflab with Pentagon chief Bob Gates. Oh, and Mr Obama will also meet "a delegation from the Boy Scouts of America and receive their 2008 Report to the Nation". in the Oval Office.

Mr Brown might lament that despite the so-called "special relationship" Britain is now getting the same treatment as the President of Uruguay but he need not despair. I'm told there's a chance he might get drinks with Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday evening.

What is very interesting is that there is a plethora of this info in UK papers but absolutely nothing in US media.  So the division seems to be being played up by the UK press. The stuff is very unflattering of Brown to say the least.  Is there someone in the wings that the NWO is pushing to take over for Brown because he can't appease Obama?

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Telegraph Blogger slams Brown

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/02/gordon_browns_desperation_for_special_relationship_with_obama_is_embarrassing

Gordon Brown hasn't even arrived here in Washington yet and I'm feeling slightly queasy. Of course, Britain should want to be a pre-eminent ally of the United States. But do we need to be quite so crawlingly needy and obvious about it? The way the British government craves approval from President Barack Obama is humiliating, and very probably counter-productive.

If you want an example of how embarrassing the transatlantic wooing has become then check out this Times article by Gordon Brown designed set the tone for his visit to Washington tomorrow. Here are a few lowlights from the article, and a couple of other examples of gratuitous obsequiousness.

1. "Winston Churchill described the joint inheritance of Britain and America as not just a shared history but a shared belief in the great principles of freedom and the rights of man - what Barack Obama has described as the enduring power of our ideals - democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope." (Gordon Brown article)

Where to begin with this? First of all, is it sensible to cite Winston Churchill when Obama has just returned the Churchill bust loaned to President George W. Bush? Second, the implication here is that Churchill talked of "democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope" as being enduring transatlantic principles. In fact, this is a line from Obama's victory speech on election night and he wasn't talking about Britain. Does Brown think Obama won't notice?

2. "And as America stands at its own dawn of hope, I want that hope to be fulfilled through us all coming together to shape the 21st century as the first century of a truly global society." (Gordon Brown article)

Is it really necessary to describe Obama's election as representing America's "own dawn of hope"? Hope was Obama's campaign slogan (and one suspects that the word getting quoted back at him by people asking for something might be getting a little tiresome) and this platitude-laden sentence reads like it came from "Hello" magazine.

3. "I have visited America many times and have many friends there, and as prime minister I want to do more to strengthen even further our relationship with America." (Gordon Brown article)

It's great that Brown has holidayed in Cape Cod but no one in the US really gives a monkeys about that and mentioning it seems a tad, well, desperate.

4. "And there is no international partnership in recent history that has served the world better than the special relationship between Britain and the United States." (Gordon Brown article)

This before meeting a president who built his campaign on having opposed the Iraq war and has written that the US "can no longer afford to go to the UN prepared for war, armed only with the signatures of Britain and Togo". Maybe it was still on the laptop from Tony Blair remarks alongside President George W. Bush.

5."That is why President Obama and I will discuss this week a global new deal, whose impact can stretch from the villages of Africa to reforming the financial institutions of London and New York- and giving security to the hard-working families in every country." (Gordon Brown article)

Global new deal? Obama's domestic agenda is in many respects an attempt to secure a 21st Century New Deal. That's ambitious enough. For Brown to suggest an Anglo-American-led "global new deal" that can give security to "hard-working families in every country" is so far-fetched as to be meaningless.

6. "I'm obviously delighted to be here on the day after you were sworn in as Madame Secretary, as Secretary of State, and three months to the day since America voted for change, and two weeks to the day since President Obama issued his clarion call, not just to the American people but to the global community, to come together to tackle shared challenges." (David Miliband, Foreign Secretary)

This was uttered last month after Miliband's talks with Hillary Clinton. Quite apart from the diplomacy of citing the "change" slogan that Obama used to defeat Hillary, is it really necessary to be so publicly pleased that Obama beat John McCain? It's transparent fawning and will be seen as such by the Obama administration.

7. The White House hands back a bust of Churchill. Big deal - shrug it off. But no, Brown responds by packing his suitcase with a pencil holder made from the timber of HMS Gannet, a framed commission of HMS Resolute and - I didn't make this up - all seven volumes of Sir Martin Gilbert's Churchill biography.

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i gotta admit the UK media seems to be setting Brown up for a big dissapointment on purpose.

[Revolt426]

UK preparing Brown for failure?;
http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/3405156/mr-browns-trip-to-washington.thtml

Mr Brown's Trip to Washington

Tuesday, 3rd March 2009
Poor Gordon Brown. Yes, really. The expectations for his visit to Washington this week could not have been framed more unkindly. It's as though the Prime Minister has been set up to fail. His enemies in the press will not mind this, but his friends' talk has not helped either. The less hype this visit, and this speech to Congress, received, the better it would have been for Brown. Then he might have been able to surprise everyone. Instead, there's been all this nonsense about Brown being, in a BBC News reporter's phrase, "sprinkled" with Obama's "rhetorical stardust". Yes really to that too.

Normal people hear this sort of guff and think "who do you think you are kidding?". Then again, they can't help it, can they? According to Ben Brogan "one person who has seen the draft has suggested to Mr Brown that he needs to find his inner Obama." It is hard to think of a more gruesome, bathetic image than that.

The notion that being photographed with the new President can offer anything substantial to help Brown escape his political Stalingrad seems far-fetched. Still, who knows, perhaps something surprising will turn up and perhaps this talk of a "global new deal" will amount to something substantial?

Brown is further handicapped, however, by the press corps' desire to parse every word, every look, every gesture that passes between Brown and Obama. That most, if not all, of this is pretty meaningless fluff matters little: much of the press will take some delight in seeing the Prime Minister  "snubbed" or "rebuffed" or otherwise embarrassed. The "Special Relationship" exists so that British newspapers can play nurse.

Indeed it's already happening. Apparently there won't be a full-scale press conference with Obama after all. This is said to be embarrassing. (I also understand that the DC-based British correspondents have been denied access to even the drive-by "media availability" that is scheduled. They are not happy about this.)

Mind you, Brown isn't helping himself either. His article in the Sunday Times was, to put it kindly, pedestrian. Or, if you prefer, terrible. The conclusion was especially grim:


"And as America stands at its own dawn of hope, I want that hope to be fulfilled through us all coming together to shape the 21st century as the first century of a truly global society."
Does that mean Britain gets its own "dawn of hope too"? And can Gordon Brown really make a meaningful contribution to fulfilling America's "dawn of hope"? How do you fulfill a dawn anyway?

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What is very interesting is that there is a plethora of this info in UK papers but absolutely nothing in US media.  So the division seems to be being played up by the UK press. The stuff is very unflattering of Brown to say the least.  Is there someone in the wings that the NWO is pushing to take over for Brown because he can't appease Obama?

Like I told you ... Brown is not at the high table or anywhere near it. Now do you get it? He has no clue.

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Of course, Britain should want to be a pre-eminent ally of the United States.

Disagree entirely. The British people and American people can and hopefully always will be good friends. Through the special relationship Blair dragged us into lying and warring in Iraq.

Ten years ago travelling under a British passport was the safest way to travel in most parts of the world. That is not true today because of the acts taken under the special relationship by our elected leaders.

The whole doctrine of "pre-eminent ally" is dumb. All the worlds' peoples have to learn to respect each other equally or the world of power politics will never change.

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The media is one of the most important arms of government.  The media generally doesn't tell the public how things really work.

The whole purpose of the mainstream media is to keep the population in the dark, believing that Brown is in charge of Britain, Obama is in charge of America, and they just bumble along making decisions based on random unconnected events which nobody could have predicted.

People are so well conditioned by the media, that when the occassional piece of truth is given, it generally goes over their heads.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

"For everything in politics, there is always a good reason given to the public.  And then there is the real reason." - Mandell House

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I would agree about these puppets trying to suck our attention while the actual architects plan behind closed doors.  But as far as which puppet is drawing support in UK, I heard Brown is at 28% approval and Tories are at 44%.  Is the propaganda media setting UK up for a Tory saviour?

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I would agree about these puppets trying to suck our attention while the actual architects plan behind closed doors.  But as far as which puppet is drawing support in UK, I heard Brown is at 28% approval and Tories are at 44%.  Is the propaganda media setting UK up for a Tory saviour?

Yes.  They have been for years, just as the media set the UK up for a (New) Labour saviour after the last Tory government had 18 years in "power".

The next Prime Minister will be David Cameron, and he will continue the same treasonous agenda, doing exactly the same things he and his party have criticised Brown for doing.  And the "special relationship" will continue as usual, obviously.  And the Punch and Judy show goes on.

David Cameron is the cousin of the Conservative political journalist and editor Sir Ferdinand Mount, 3rd Baronet and the grandson of Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet. Through the Mounts, he is related to many British aristocratic families, being descended from the 7th Earl of Denbigh, the 1st Earl of Ducie, the 1st Earl of Carnarvon, the 2nd Earl of Egremont, the 6th Duke of Somerset and the 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, as discussed here. He is also related to the British Royal Family by descent through his paternal grandmother from King William IV by his mistress Dorothea Jordan. He is a fifth cousin, twice removed of Queen Elizabeth II. He is also a descendant of the 1st Marquess of Montrose, as well as of Frederick V, Elector Palatine and Queen Elizabeth of Bohemia, the daughter of King James I.

His wife is a descendant of King Charles II and Barbara Palmer, 1st Duchess of Cleveland, as well a descendant of King Charles II via his daughter by Moll Davies. She is also a descendant of Francesco I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany.

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Yes.  They have been for years, just as the media set the UK up for a (New) Labour saviour after the last Tory government had 18 years in "power".

The next Prime Minister will be David Cameron, and he will continue the same treasonous agenda, doing exactly the same things he and his party have criticised Brown for doing.  And the "special relationship" will continue as usual, obviously.  And the Punch and Judy show goes on.

David Cameron is the cousin of the Conservative political journalist and editor Sir Ferdinand Mount, 3rd Baronet and the grandson of Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet. Through the Mounts, he is related to many British aristocratic families, being descended from the 7th Earl of Denbigh, the 1st Earl of Ducie, the 1st Earl of Carnarvon, the 2nd Earl of Egremont, the 6th Duke of Somerset and the 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, as discussed here. He is also related to the British Royal Family by descent through his paternal grandmother from King William IV by his mistress Dorothea Jordan. He is a fifth cousin, twice removed of Queen Elizabeth II. He is also a descendant of the 1st Marquess of Montrose, as well as of Frederick V, Elector Palatine and Queen Elizabeth of Bohemia, the daughter of King James I.

His wife is a descendant of King Charles II and Barbara Palmer, 1st Duchess of Cleveland, as well a descendant of King Charles II via his daughter by Moll Davies. She is also a descendant of Francesco I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany.

Now that makes much more sense and Obama probably is "in the know" and brushing off Brown as ordered.  So the soon to be UK PM "saviour" of the middle and lower classes will be someone drenched in royal blood.  What a joke.

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Yes.  They have been for years, just as the media set the UK up for a (New) Labour saviour after the last Tory government had 18 years in "power".

The next Prime Minister will be David Cameron, and he will continue the same treasonous agenda, doing exactly the same things he and his party have criticised Brown for doing.  And the "special relationship" will continue as usual, obviously.  And the Punch and Judy show goes on.

David Cameron is the cousin of the Conservative political journalist and editor Sir Ferdinand Mount, 3rd Baronet and the grandson of Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet. Through the Mounts, he is related to many British aristocratic families, being descended from the 7th Earl of Denbigh, the 1st Earl of Ducie, the 1st Earl of Carnarvon, the 2nd Earl of Egremont, the 6th Duke of Somerset and the 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, as discussed here. He is also related to the British Royal Family by descent through his paternal grandmother from King William IV by his mistress Dorothea Jordan. He is a fifth cousin, twice removed of Queen Elizabeth II. He is also a descendant of the 1st Marquess of Montrose, as well as of Frederick V, Elector Palatine and Queen Elizabeth of Bohemia, the daughter of King James I.

His wife is a descendant of King Charles II and Barbara Palmer, 1st Duchess of Cleveland, as well a descendant of King Charles II via his daughter by Moll Davies. She is also a descendant of Francesco I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany.

And Kenneth Clarke is a Bilderbuddy

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brown-faces-humiliation-after-obama-snub-1636430.html
Brown faces humiliation after Obama 'snub'

By John Matthew Hall

Tuesday, 3 March 2009

Downing Street is looking to avoid potential humiliation after the White House scaled down the profile of Gordon Brown's first formal meeting with Barack Obama.

While the Prime Minister is expected to hold nearly two hours of talks with the US president, the White House has categorically ruled out a traditional joint press conference before the White House media. After overnight protests from British diplomats, the White House agreed to allow journalists into the Oval Office later for a brief round of questions after the talks.

Gordon Brown’s officials have played down the significance of the decision and deny the Prime Minister is being snubbed. However, the move will distinctly lessen the prestige of the PM’s coup of becoming the first European leader invited to Washington for talks with Obama since his inauguration in January.

That Obama will find time to meet with the Boy Scouts of America later this afternoon is sure to add to the embarrassment.

The trip is in marked contrast to the hospitality lavished on Tony Blair by George Bush when they met for the first time.

[David Rothscum]

I'm still on the fence, and here's why:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/03/obama-brown-special-relationship

Special relationship as strong as ever, Obama tells Brown

US president talks about British ancestry at press conference with prime minister in Washington

Brown and Obama in the Oval Office today. Photograph: Mark Wilson/Getty Images

Barack Obama said today that the relationship between the UK and the US was "not only special and strong, but one that will get stronger as time goes on".

Speaking after his first meeting with Gordon Brown since he took office, the US president spoke about his British ancestry on his mother's side and insisted that the notion that there was "somehow any lessening of that relationship is misguided".

Obama, who met Brown twice last year before his election as president, also said that he had a "terrific" relationship with the prime minister and that there was "a shared set of values and assumptions between us".

Brown, who referred to the president at one point as "Barack", said that he had enjoyed all his conversations, on the phone and in person, with the president.

Brown made his comments at a short media event with the president. Downing Street had been expecting a full press conference, but the White House scaled down its plans, blaming the heavy snowfalls that have hit Washington for its decision not to go ahead with a news conference in the Rose Garden.

The change of plan took some of the shine off Brown's achievement in becoming the first European leader to visit Obama since his inauguration in January.

The president set aside nearly two hours for Brown today, first in a meeting and then over a working lunch. Tomorrow, in a significant coup, Brown will deliver an address to both houses of Congress. He will be only the fifth prime minister to be according this honour, following Winston Churchill (who addressed Congress three times), Clement Attlee, Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair.

As chairman of the G20 group of countries, Brown is hosting a summit in London in April of world leaders and is using his visit to the US to drum up support for his plans for an overhaul of the global financial system.

Before his meeting with Obama, Brown said in an interview on the US radio station NPR that the global banking collapse needed a global solution.

"There is a global banking collapse that we're dealing with the consequences of in every country. And if we could have the same standards and the same rules that apply in the United States of America and in Britain to apply to other countries around the world – the same standards of transparency and of disclosure, of accountability, the same standards of remuneration, then I think the confidence that is needed in the banking system will be restored," he said.

Brown, who has indicated that he does not believe that he needs to apologise for the government's decision relating to City regulation, was asked in the interview whether he allowed too much risky lending when he was chancellor. He rejected the suggestion.

"Our corporations were certainly not borrowing too much. I think what happened after the Asian crisis, which was 10 years ago, is we all tried to find a way when we knew that we had these huge capital flows around the world; we knew we had institutions that were linked up to other institutions in different countries, but we didn't have a way of supervising that properly," he said.

"We tried to get to a better international system of supervision. We're now in a position to do it because, I think, all countries now realise that that is essential. And so what you really need is a better early warning system. What you need is better rules and standards that can be adopted and can be understood to be the fair ones across the system."More details soon ...
Could it be the US is going to do something so horrible it's better for the UK not to be involved with them to prevent their name from being dragged through the mud as well?

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Could it be the US is going to do something so horrible it's better for the UK not to be involved with them to prevent their name from being dragged through the mud as well?

Now that is some anti NWO thinking in action!

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Yes.  They have been for years, just as the media set the UK up for a (New) Labour saviour after the last Tory government had 18 years in "power".

The next Prime Minister will be David Cameron, and he will continue the same treasonous agenda, doing exactly the same things he and his party have criticised Brown for doing.  And the "special relationship" will continue as usual, obviously.  And the Punch and Judy show goes on.

David Cameron is the cousin of the Conservative political journalist and editor Sir Ferdinand Mount, 3rd Baronet and the grandson of Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet. Through the Mounts, he is related to many British aristocratic families, being descended from the 7th Earl of Denbigh, the 1st Earl of Ducie, the 1st Earl of Carnarvon, the 2nd Earl of Egremont, the 6th Duke of Somerset and the 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, as discussed here. He is also related to the British Royal Family by descent through his paternal grandmother from King William IV by his mistress Dorothea Jordan. He is a fifth cousin, twice removed of Queen Elizabeth II. He is also a descendant of the 1st Marquess of Montrose, as well as of Frederick V, Elector Palatine and Queen Elizabeth of Bohemia, the daughter of King James I.

His wife is a descendant of King Charles II and Barbara Palmer, 1st Duchess of Cleveland, as well a descendant of King Charles II via his daughter by Moll Davies. She is also a descendant of Francesco I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany.

From wikipedia:

David Cameron was born in London, but brought up at Peasemore, near Newbury, in the English county of Berkshire,[8] the son of stockbroker Ian Donald Cameron and his wife Mary Fleur Mount the second daughter of Sir William Mount, 2nd Baronet.[9] His father was born at Blairmore House near Huntly in Scotland,[10] which was built by Cameron's grandfather Ewen Donald Cameron's maternal grandfather Alexander Geddes[11] who had made a fortune in the grain business in Chicago and had returned to Scotland in the 1880s.[12] The Cameron family were originally from the Inverness area of the Scottish Highlands.[13]

His father's family had a long history in the world of finance: David Cameron's great grandfather Arthur Francis Levita (brother of Sir Cecil Levita)[14] of Panmure Gordon stockbrokers and his great-great grandfather Sir Ewen Cameron,[13] London head of the Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank played key roles in discussions led by the Rothschilds with the Japanese central banker (later Prime Minister) Takahashi Korekiyo concerning the selling of war bonds during the Russo-Japanese war.[15]Cameron's ancestor, King William IV (1765-1837)

His great grandfather Ewen Allan Cameron, a senior partner with Panmure Gordon stockbrokers was also a notable figure in the financial world serving on the Council for Foreign Bondholders[16] and the Committee for Chinese Bondholders set up by the then Governor of the Bank of England Montagu Norman in November, 1935.[17] His grandfather Ewen Donald and father Ian Donald also worked for Panmure Gordon stockbrokers, his father also serving as a director of the estate agents John D Wood.[3]

Cameron has claimed to be a direct descendant of King William IV (4th great grandfather) and his mistress Dorothea Jordan (and thus 5th cousin, twice removed of Queen Elizabeth II) through his father's maternal grandmother Stephanie Levita, daughter of the society surgeon Sir Alfred Cooper who was also father of the statesman and author Duff Cooper, grandfather of the publisher and man of letters Rupert Hart-Davis and historian John Julius Norwich, and great grandfather of the TV presenter Adam Hart-Davis and journalist and writer Duff Hart-Davis (David Cameron's second cousins once removed). His mother is first cousin of the writer and political commentator Ferdinand Mount[18] and thus a second cousin of his wife.

His great grandfather and great-great grandfather were bankers who worked for the Rothschilds while helping destroy Russia.

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And Kenneth Clarke is a Bilderbuddy

And Shadow Chancellor (i.e. the next chancellor) George Osborne went to Oxford University with Nathaniel Rothschild





This came to public attention back in October:

Osborne denies Russian cash claim

Shadow chancellor George Osborne has denied claims he tried to solicit a £50,000 donation for the Tories from Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska.

Financier Nathaniel Rothschild said Mr Osborne discussed a donation from Mr Deripaska in the presence of a witness at his Corfu home in August.

The subject came up again later on the Russian's yacht, Mr Rothschild claimed.

Mr Osborne has denied this and he has been backed by David Cameron who said he had shown the "right judgement".

"I think it was the right judgement not to ask for any money and it was the right judgement for the Conservative Party not to take any money," Mr Cameron said.

'Conversations'

Mr Rothschild alleged he had discussed the idea of a donation - first brought to a light in a letter to the Times on Tuesday - via Mr Deripaska's UK firm, LDV Ltd, three times with Mr Osborne and Tory fundraiser Andrew Feldman on August 24.

He said the first discussion, held in his Corfu home, was witnessed by a New York fund manager, James Goodwin.

This raises real questions about the Conservatives' judgement in pursuing allegations about Mandelson's dealing with a man who they themselves had discussed money with.

Nick Robinson
BBC political editor

...

I think Osborne is a Bilderberger too, but I'm not certain.

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I'm still on the fence, and here's why:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/03/obama-brown-special-relationship

Special relationship as strong as ever, Obama tells Brown

...

Could it be the US is going to do something so horrible it's better for the UK not to be involved with them to prevent their name from being dragged through the mud as well?

The meaning of the special relationship is that Britain and America are part of the same Anglo-American Establishment, as discussed by professor Carroll Quigley in his book, The Anglo-American Establishment.

The real government operates above politics.  The Royal Institute of International Affairs vets the politicians years before the public hears their names, and places their men and women in the top positions - it is not necessary to control every member of each political party, just a handful at the top.  The CFR is the American branch, as discussed by Quigley, who was the official historian for the CFR.

And on top of that, the CIA and MI6 both came out of the OSS, and during WWII their headquarters were at Chatham House, which is another name for the Royal Institute of International Affairs.  The special relationship cannot become unspecial or anything other than special.  It won't happen.  It can't happen.

Everything else is just propaganda designed to keep people in the dark.

In the UK, the media portrayed Tony Blair as George Bush's lapdog.  They kept going on and on about how Blair just went along with everything Bush decided and how basically the UK had become America's bitch.  In reality, the British Establishment has never lost control of America, but they have managed to get most people thinking that they have, on both sides of the Pond.

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From wikipedia:

David Cameron's great grandfather Arthur Francis Levita (brother of Sir Cecil Levita)[14] of Panmure Gordon stockbrokers and his great-great grandfather Sir Ewen Cameron,[13] London head of the Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank played key roles in discussions led by the Rothschilds with the Japanese central banker (later Prime Minister) Takahashi Korekiyo concerning the selling of war bonds during the Russo-Japanese war.[15]Cameron's ancestor, King William IV (1765-1837)

The sadistic psychopathic doctor who was in charge of MK Ultra was also called Ewen Cameron.  I wonder if he was a relative.

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Downing St left embarrassed after President Obama scales down first meeting with Brown

Downing Street was left scrambling to avoid a diplomatic embarrassment today after the White House ruled out a formal press conference to mark Gordon Brown's first formal meeting with Barack Obama.

Officials denied the Prime Minister was being snubbed after it emerged that the new president would not make himself available for the traditional joint appearance before the White House media.

Mr Brown's aides are trying to make the best of what is a distinctly low key visit compared to the family hospitality lavished on Tony Blair by George Bush when they met for the first time.

Mr Brown and Mr Obama finally sat down together to meet the press in an informal Oval Office briefing this afternoon.

The pair, who were almost identically dressed in dark suits, white shirts and blue ties, appeared relaxed and friendly.

And Mr Obama was quick to reaffirm the 'special relationship' between America and Britain.

'First of all the special relationship between the U.S. and Great Britain is one that is not only important to me, it is important to the America people,' the new President said.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1158395/Downing-St-left-embarrassed-President-Obama-scales-meeting-Brown.html

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I heard that the "special relationship" is going global. What is the special relationship? Its abuse of the military industrial and socialist system for globalist corporate agenda's. What this means is, that the UK and US were the New World Order. But now they seek for a global NWO. That is what British establishment want, so, the end of the special relationship isn't necessarily going against the Anglo-American establishment. More than that, it is the globalization of the Anglo-American empire/corporatist fascist model.

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I heard that the "special relationship" is going global. What is the special relationship? Its abuse of the military industrial and socialist system for globalist corporate agenda's. What this means is, that the UK and US were the New World Order. But now they seek for a global NWO. That is what British establishment want, so, the end of the special relationship isn't necessarily going against the Anglo-American establishment. More than that, it is the globalization of the Anglo-American empire/corporatist fascist model.

Nicely put.

We have become a little distracted to this 'Punch & Judy' show, with the puppets bashing each other, while all the time forgetting the unseen puppet-master has his controlling hand up each of their butts.  It has always been this way.

So they sally forward now to their goal of a  'Global NWO' -that was as inevitable as night follows day.
 

[Revolt426]

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/03/03/world/worldwatch/entry4840256.shtml

March 3, 2009 8:41 AM
Gordon Brown's "Panting Desperation"

(AP Photo/Luis M. Alvarez)I asked a British journalist to characterize the atmosphere of Prime Minister Gordon Brown's visit to Washington, to set the tone of what's being billed here as the first business meeting between a European leader and the new U.S. President.

"Panting desperation," he said.

Officially, Brown is laying the groundwork for next month's summit here of the G-20 nations; he wants to return with an action plan for what he's calling a, "global new deal, whose impact can stretch from the villages of Africa to reforming the financial institutions of London and New York... Giving security to the hardworking families in every country."

In other words, his official business in Washington involves meeting with President Obama to come up with a British-American plan to save the world from economic collapse.

Unofficially, though, it's generally believed that what Brown's out to rescue in America — as much as the world economy — is his own political future.

Polls here show the beleaguered Brown would lead his Labor party to defeat were elections held today. He's going to Washington, as The Guardian newspaper put it, "hoping for (an) Obama bounce."

Winston Churchill coined the phrase "special relationship" to describe the unbroken – and perhaps unbreakable – ties that bind the U.S. and the U.K.

In practice, The Guardian points out, "American presidents embrace it whenever they need international cover for foreign escapades, while U.K. prime ministers invoke it in the hope that some of the sparkle of the presidency will stick to them."

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UK HAS 13 TRILLION IN UNTAXED WEALTH!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/04/obama-tax-haven-crackdown

Obama bid to stamp out tax havens

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 4 March 2009 15.45 GMT

The world's most secretive tax havens are to be prised open after Barack Obama's new administration endorsed far-reaching legislation to crack down on them.

The decision to force "secrecy jurisdictions" to reveal the identities of the super-rich and major corporations who use them came from the US treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, at a congressional hearing and will be seen as a blow to places such as Jersey, the Cayman Islands and Switzerland.

"We fully support the legislation … on offshore tax centres, and we look forward to working with you as part of the broader effort to address international tax evasion and close the tax gap," Geithner told the House ways and means committee late on Tuesday.

His commitment was followed by supportive comments from Gordon Brown during his speech to Congress yesterday. But the prime minister will come under intense pressure to resist the move from the City and the tax havens that are UK dependencies or overseas territories.
Britain has recently faced international criticism for blocking European measures to reveal details of those who deposit huge wealth in tax havens. The Guardian's Tax Gap series last month examined the extent of tax avoidance by big business.

With an estimated $13tn (£9tn) of untaxed wealth held in offshore centres, taxing them would add $255bn of revenue to governments – more than double the global aid budget to poor countries.

Key measures in the new legislation, now likely to be in force within 12 months, include revealing the beneficiaries of secretive trusts and identifying "offshore secrecy jurisdictions" that "unreasonably restrict US tax authorities from obtaining needed information" as well as severely increasing penalties against tax evaders and closing numerous loopholes.

Senator Carl Levin, who along with Obama introduced similar legislation in recent years only for it to be thwarted by George Bush, said: "President Obama's support for the Stop Tax Haven Abuse Act, as announced by treasury secretary Geithner, is very welcome news and greatly improves the chances of an offshore tax bill becoming law this year. It also sends a strong signal to tax havens that this administration is not going to tolerate the kind of offshore tax abuses that have been draining $100bn a year from the US treasury and that, as a result, offload the tax burden on to the backs of honest taxpayers."

The US underlined its intent last month when it demanded that the Swiss bank UBS surrender the names of 52,000 American account holders in a case that threatens to end centuries of Swiss bank secrecy.
Geithner's comments come as European leaders grow increasingly agitated at how tax havens have fostered secrecy that has contributed to the collapse of banks the world over. "We want to put a stop to tax havens," France's president, Nicolas Sarkozy, said recently. "We want results on this, with a list of tax havens and a series of consequences."

Raymond Baker, director at the Washington-based thinktank Global Financial Integrity, said: "This is a pivotal time in global finance. From the European commission's recent adoption of measures to improve co-operation between EU member states and increase transparency in tax assessment and collection to the G20's stated intent to crack down on tax havens when they meet in April, calls around the world are growing for definitive action on the problem of tax havens."

But Geoff Cook, chief executive of Jersey Finance, which promotes the island as an international finance centre, said: "We believe we have nothing to fear because we are not a secrecy jurisdiction. We co-operate fully with US authorities to exchange information in accordance with our bilateral agreements."

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UK HAS 13 TRILLION IN UNTAXED WEALTH!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/04/obama-tax-haven-crackdown

Obama bid to stamp out tax havens

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 4 March 2009 15.45 GMT

The world's most secretive tax havens are to be prised open after Barack Obama's new administration endorsed far-reaching legislation to crack down on them.

The decision to force "secrecy jurisdictions" to reveal the identities of the super-rich and major corporations who use them came from the US treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, at a congressional hearing and will be seen as a blow to places such as Jersey, the Cayman Islands and Switzerland.

"We fully support the legislation … on offshore tax centres, and we look forward to working with you as part of the broader effort to address international tax evasion and close the tax gap," Geithner told the House ways and means committee late on Tuesday.

His commitment was followed by supportive comments from Gordon Brown during his speech to Congress yesterday. But the prime minister will come under intense pressure to resist the move from the City and the tax havens that are UK dependencies or overseas territories.
Britain has recently faced international criticism for blocking European measures to reveal details of those who deposit huge wealth in tax havens. The Guardian's Tax Gap series last month examined the extent of tax avoidance by big business.

With an estimated $13tn (£9tn) of untaxed wealth held in offshore centres, taxing them would add $255bn of revenue to governments – more than double the global aid budget to poor countries.

Key measures in the new legislation, now likely to be in force within 12 months, include revealing the beneficiaries of secretive trusts and identifying "offshore secrecy jurisdictions" that "unreasonably restrict US tax authorities from obtaining needed information" as well as severely increasing penalties against tax evaders and closing numerous loopholes.

Senator Carl Levin, who along with Obama introduced similar legislation in recent years only for it to be thwarted by George Bush, said: "President Obama's support for the Stop Tax Haven Abuse Act, as announced by treasury secretary Geithner, is very welcome news and greatly improves the chances of an offshore tax bill becoming law this year. It also sends a strong signal to tax havens that this administration is not going to tolerate the kind of offshore tax abuses that have been draining $100bn a year from the US treasury and that, as a result, offload the tax burden on to the backs of honest taxpayers."

The US underlined its intent last month when it demanded that the Swiss bank UBS surrender the names of 52,000 American account holders in a case that threatens to end centuries of Swiss bank secrecy.
Geithner's comments come as European leaders grow increasingly agitated at how tax havens have fostered secrecy that has contributed to the collapse of banks the world over. "We want to put a stop to tax havens," France's president, Nicolas Sarkozy, said recently. "We want results on this, with a list of tax havens and a series of consequences."

Raymond Baker, director at the Washington-based thinktank Global Financial Integrity, said: "This is a pivotal time in global finance. From the European commission's recent adoption of measures to improve co-operation between EU member states and increase transparency in tax assessment and collection to the G20's stated intent to crack down on tax havens when they meet in April, calls around the world are growing for definitive action on the problem of tax havens."

But Geoff Cook, chief executive of Jersey Finance, which promotes the island as an international finance centre, said: "We believe we have nothing to fear because we are not a secrecy jurisdiction. We co-operate fully with US authorities to exchange information in accordance with our bilateral agreements."

Now that is interesting

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/02/tax-havens-face-sanctions

Tax havens may face sanctions for not giving data on evadersNick Davies
The Guardian, Monday 2 March 2009
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Offshore havens that refuse to hand over information on tax dodgers face an unprecedented campaign of economic sanctions by the world's most powerful countries, which may be agreed at the G20 summit in London next month.

The campaign could see Britain targeting some of its own overseas territories including the Cayman Islands and the British Virgin Islands, where British banks and corporations use scores of subsidiaries to avoid tax.

The blacklisting threat comes as opposition politicians in Britain call for a review of the tax haven dealings by banks being bailed out by the British taxpayer.

Lord Oakeshott, Lib-Dem Treasury spokesman demanded at the weekend that ministers disclose how much banks' offshore activities were costing. "The government should not put a penny more into these banks before they stop biting the hand that feeds them," he said.

The Tory shadow chancellor, George Osborne, made a statement saying: "While Gordon Brown claims he will deal with offshore tax avoidance, he is increasing the government's stake in banks that, like RBS, have offshore subsidiaries".

The Guardian disclosed in its recent Tax Gap series, that Lloyds was "making loans subsidised by the British exchequer", according to revenue allegations in a current tax avoidance tribunal case over transactions with US insurance giant AIG and Bank of America involving hundreds of millions of pounds. The bank continues to refuse to explain the purpose of other large loans, totalling £4bn, many routed through the Caymans. It claims all its tax-linked activities are legitimate.

Following the G20 preparatory summit in Berlin last week, officials are preparing a new blacklist of uncooperative havens. Other leading centres of secretive offshore activity including Liechtenstein and Panama are among more than 30 nations that have failed to sign agreements to hand over information about corporations and individuals who take advantage of their secrecy and their low taxes.

Earlier lists which were prepared by the OECD, merely "named and shamed". Now, the G20 nations plan to promote a series of sanctions which are designed to deprive them of billions of dollars of business.

Sanctions discussed include refusing to allow payments to a blacklisted haven to be deducted from taxable income. This would hit big corporations and banks who channel millions of pounds out of the taxman's reach by paying royalties, management fees, dividends and insurance premiums to their own offshore subsidiaries.

Officials are working on a plan for international financial institutions to pull their investments out of the blacklisted havens. Brown is due in Washington on Tuesday for talks with President Barack Obama.

The G20 is believed to be drawing up its blacklist from three overlapping groups of havens: those which still have no double taxation conventions, which allow nations to swap information on taxpayers in each other's jurisdiction; those which have refused to accept the idea of new Tax Information Exchange Agreements (TIEAs), which allow one nation to require another to dig out extra information on a suspect; and those which agreed in principle to TIEAs but have failed to sign them.