Do you think there may be another Rockefeller/Rothschild false flag attack in UK

[karmakiller]

I've been thinking about that alot lately. I think that they might be prepping for something.

Did you see the strange (understatement!!) series the Telegraph ran for a few weeks-BlackJack?

Here's the link for anyone who hasn't!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/4220575/Blackjack.html

I mean, WTF? 

[oyashango]

A few weeks back the sun ran a story about the black plaguee in Algiers i posted it up on this forum and got more insight from other members who know what they are looking for.. Censorship on youtube is greatly increasing..i can view most vids on youtube but since i have been re sending the links to the uk they are being manipulated changed to something else.For exzample i watched the witness account from Daniel obachike and i was sending the links to a friend in uk and they said that the 2nd link part 2 on alex jones show was changed to something else. a london dungeon clip most likely most people have seen the same one where the screen is all quiet for a minute or 2 then it suddenly shows an ugly face and then it starts screaming at you?...... since then i am having trouble recording videos

I have always had a problem trying to access uk websites. They either do not come up or I get an error reading. This is especially the case in trying to view the videos.

[cambodreads]

im watching them from taiwan and posting the links from taiwan to the uk but the  vids are not the same when they are opened in the uk!

[crutley]

The average Brit may not have been part of those European elite, but their standard of living was definitely uplifted by the insane wealth that these British colonies produced. The masses of all of these groups never benefited as well. They too are victims and their standard of living never rose above the manufactured poverty created as a result of the plunder of their resources. So, why blame and pick on them?

Can't you see that they too are suffering the same as the "average Brit" claims to be?  This is the typical infighting of the have-nots for a pie that doesn’t belong to either. History is coming back to bite us all in the behind. The British Empire lasted for several HUNDRED years of exploitation, slavery and plundering of these native lands.  Your rage should be targeted at those elite who allowed it, and not at the poor who have been invited to work, and had nothing to do with their flight. Resenting and fighting them will get you nowhere but imprisoned or dead. It's called the "Law of Restitution," or if you are of the Eastern variety "Karma." This is the unfortunate legacy our ancestors left us. We must all deal with it.

I hear this argument time and time again in the mainstream media, making average British folk feel guilty for the crimes of the black nobility who were really to blame for most of the crimes of the British Empire. So, if you want to flaunt it - why don't you go and work for the BBC or one of the other guilt mongering mainstream organisations. Don't tell me that my ancestors weren't treated harshly in the pits or in the factories of Victorian England, don't tell me that they weren't made into peon surfs by the Normans, don't tell me that they weren't needlessly sent to their slaughter in the killing fields many wars - as if the mass majority of British folk were all Lords and Ladies of the German houses of Sacks Cobern and Hanover.

[crutley]

Yes. Send them back along with all of the natural resources which is being exploited from their lands to sustain
the British "way of life."  Let's see how "well off" the average Britian and their economy will survive without them.

BTW: you might want to hold on to that computer, cell phone and ipod of yours. Without those rare and precious metals that come from the Congo, you would not have them.  The "chickens have come home to roost," and we all are paying a dear price.

One of the major yet  least discussed issues that has caused this economic Tsunami is the unfair trade and poor distribution of wealth in this world. The massive exodus into the "richer" gluttonous nations is a product of this. It is not natural or normal to expect people to starve, or work for a penance in the only industries allowed to thrive in their countires, namely those that send their raw materials OUT to sustain the livelihood of the developed nations. Neither is it natural for them to leave their families, culture and lives behind to find cheap labor in the lands that are exploiting their own. 

Denial and scapegoating is what got us here, and denial and scapegoating will be what takes us all down.

That's just how vitally interdependent we are upon one another.

Yes it's all our fault because we're average British people. It's all our fault that the globalists are exploiting the world's resources with their monopolies and cartels and their artificial scarcity which enables them to profit more from less produced. Guess they'll just go and have another cremation of care ceremony at Bohemium Grove so they can get rid of all their guilt and load it onto us again. If you truly feel guilty for what the NWO are doing and have done in the past, then do what they really want you to do - go and kill yourself and reduce the world's population so that the criminal greedy few can have it all to themselves, without you in their way demanding your fair share and equal rights.

[abrhim]

wouldn't doubt it.  shit'll hit the fan right before the masses take to the streets.  Then the masses will stay at home out of fear.

[oyashango]

Yes it's all our fault because we're average British people. It's all our fault that the globalists are exploiting the world's resources with their monopolies and cartels and their artificial scarcity which enables them to profit more from less produced.

That's my point precisely. Therefore there is no reason to hold resentment against the immigrants who were INVITED to come by the globalists to take jobs that the "average Brit" refused to perform, or were unwilling to perform at a cheaper salary.

If you truly feel guilty for what the NWO are doing and have done in the past, then do what they really want you to do - go and kill yourself and reduce the world's population so that the criminal greedy few can have it all to themselves, without you in their way demanding your fair share and equal rights.

If you will continue your diatribe and angst against these hapless foreigners who too are victims, might you take you own advice. . .

[crutley]

That's my point precisely. Therefore there is no reason to hold resentment against the immigrants who were INVITED to come by the globalists to take jobs that the "average Brit" refused to perform, or were unwilling to perform at a cheaper salary.
If you will continue your diatribe and angst against these hapless foreigners who too are victims, might you take you own advice. . .

I never said they weren't victims too. But you are not going to make me feel guilty for things I did not do to them!

[oyashango]

I hear this argument time and time again in the mainstream media, making average British folk feel guilty for the crimes of the black nobility

British "Black Nobility"? . . .lol!  Do Tell.

Please, provide us with this extensive list of Dukes, Marquesses, Earls, Viscounts, Barons, Baronets and Knights, who brutalized, enslaved and murdered your peasant ancestors. . . I'm waiting . . .   

[crutley]

British "Black Nobility"? . . .lol!  Do Tell.

Please, provide us with this extensive list of Dukes, Marquesses, Earls, Viscounts, Barons, Baronets and Knights, who brutalized, enslaved and murdered your peasant ancestors. . . I'm waiting . . .   

Why don't you check into the original name of the royal family before they changed it to Windsor look 'less German' during World War 1. Or is it still my entire fault that some globalist discriminated against some illegal immigrant?

[oyashango]

I never said they weren't victims too. But you are not going to make me feel guilty for things I did not do to them!

The only person who mentioned "guilt" is you. I simply made a historical observation that should not be omitted when deciding upon the fate of immigrants who are also victims. Logical solution JOIN THEM and organize together against your common oppressors, instead of blaming, further victimzing and scapegoating on to them. To do otherwise, will only lead to a nail in your own coffin and victory for the globalists. . . 

[oyashango]

Why don't you check into the original name of the royal family before they changed it to Windsor look 'less German' during World War 1. Or is it still my entire fault that some globalist discriminated against some illegal immigrant?

You stated that they were "Black." I am aware that the royal family changed their name from German. As far as I know and the last time I visited the country the Germans are European .  I am stil waiting on this list of "Black Bristish nobility" you have heaped blame on for your ancestors oppression . . .  curious indeed! . . .

[crutley]

The only person who mentioned "guilt" is you. I simply made a historical observation that should not be omitted when deciding upon the fate of immigrants who are also victims. Logical solution JOIN THEM and organize together against you common oppressors, instead of blaming, further victimzing and scapegoating on to them. To do otherwise, will only lead to a nail in your own coffin and victory for the globalists. . . 

No you mentioned Karma and that it is the fault of all the crimes of the British in the past that the immigrants are coming here now and causing us pain in our lives - that's guilt mongering for things I did not do!

Yes blame the globalists, unite with like minded people around the world. But do NOT blame me for crimes I DID NOT COMMIT!

[crutley]

You stated that they were "Black." I am aware that the royal family changed their name from German. As far as I know and the last time I visited the country the Germans are European .  I am stil waiting on this list of "Black Bristish nobility" you have heaped blame on for your ancestors oppression . . .  curious indeed! . . .

They are called Black Nobility as in 'dark / secretive' NOT the colour of their skin you immigrant / race obsessed distraction from reality you.

 

[oyashango]

No you mentioned Karma and that it is the fault of all the crimes of the British in the past that the immigrants are coming here now and causing us pain in our lives - that's guilt mongering for things I did not do!

Karma: A concept of "action" or "deed" which causes an entire cycle of cause and effect.

Now, ponder on the meaning of this. It doesn't matter who the original thief was. The end result is that others have enjoyed or joined in the spoils knowingly or unknowlingly which makes their hands dirty too.

Now, the globalists have enabled entire generations, dumbed them down, and made them blind to the reality of how they obtained their nation's wealth. Its called looking at history in perspective, as oppose to burdening yourself with carring the world's load exclusively on your own shoulders. Its not about YOU, its about an entire global system of exploitation and oppression of whom we all are victims.

Yes blame the globalists, unite with like minded people around the world. But do NOT blame me for crimes I DID NOT COMMIT!

It's not about YOU alone. Refer to the above, and learn to empathize with the suffering of others than just yourself. . . 

[crutley]

Karma: A concept of "action" or "deed" which causes an entire cycle of cause and effect.

Now, ponder on the meaning of this. It doesn't matter who the original thief was. The end result is that others have enjoyed or joined in the spoils knowingly or unknowlingly which makes their hands dirty too.

Now, the globalists have enabled entire generations, dumbed them down, and made them blind to the reality of how they obtained their nation's wealth. Its called looking at history in perspective, as oppose to burdening yourself with carring the world's load exclusively on your own shoulders. Its not about YOU, its about an entire global system of exploitation and oppression of whom we all are victims.

It's not about YOU alone. Refer to the above, and learn to empathize with the suffering of others than just yourself. . . 

I don't believe in Karma nor do I subscribe to those who use it to pedal guilt to make me feel guilty for things I did not do. Nor do I take seriously those who think the Black Nobility are people with dark skin. Yes fight the globalists and organise against their tyranny but AGAIN don't try to make me feel guilty for THEIR crimes and DON’T expect me to sacrifice MY way of life for THEIR crimes as well!

[oyashango]

They are called Black Nobility as in 'dark / secretive' NOT the colour of their skin you immigrant / race obsessed distraction from reality you.

It is YOU who did not make your statement clear. I am also not an immigrant. I will your other ignorant comments go owing to ists source.

[crutley]

It is YOU who did not make your statement clear. I am also not an immigrant. I will your other ignorant comments go owing to ists source.

You are playing with words now trying to cover up your mistake when you asked me about the Black Nobility being Black. I am not racist or against immigrants. I am all for supporting people in beating the NWO in their own areas. But I do not fall for the divide and conquer guilt mongering tactic OF THE GLOBALISTS who send immigrants to the west ONLY as a tool to destroy the west.  Everybody sorting the globalist problem at the local level will sort it on the global level. Importing the immigrants with all their problems and baggage only brings the tyranny here. Mass immigration doesn't fight the globalist tyranny - it only helps the globalist tyranny grow. Whenever you try to use guilt to make me feel sorry for the immigrants - you're only supporting a destructive system - you're not fighting it! Therefore I counter that it is you that is ignorant, but not only ignorant – you are naïve!!

[oyashango]

Not at all. You are British, I am American. In America when we refer to someone's race "Black" is the standard designation for people of African descent.  Perhaps in Britain, another designation might be used. Clearly an indication of our linguistic and cultural differences. No cover-up involved nor necessary. It just isn't that deep for me.

I am not racist or against immigrants. I am all for supporting people in beating the NWO in their own areas. But I do not fall for the divide and conquer guilt mongering tactic OF THE GLOBALISTS who send immigrants to the west ONLY as a tool to destroy the west. 

Good. Now we understand that they are victims in this horrendous mess as well. The immigrants are there, and have no intentions of going anywhere. Therefore no need to scapegoat ones collective and personal angst against them. Working together is far more productive.

Whenever you try to use guilt to make me feel sorry for the immigrants - you're only supporting a destructive system - you're not fighting it! Therefore I counter that it is you that is ignorant, but not only ignorant – you are naïve!!

lol! Here you go again heaping "guilt" upon yourself as oppose to understanding your unchangeable reality. Again, the immigrants are there to stay. Many of their children are now British citizens. They have just as much right to stay as the British claimed when colonizing their lands. Deal with it. 

My "naivety" tells me that you and others who think as you do will suffer greatly. Your "anti-immigrant" rage and resentment will yield you no results. Your dark rage will only implode onto yourself, and an early grave awaits you. . . RIP . . .  [sigh] moving on . . .

[crutley]

Not at all. You are British, I am American. In America when we refer to someone's race "Black" is the standard designation for people of African descent.  Perhaps in Britain, another designation might be used. Clearly an indication of our linguistic and cultural differences. No cover-up involved nor necessary. It just isn't that deep for me.

Good. Now we understand that they are victims in this horrendous mess as well. The immigrants are there, and have no intentions of going anywhere. Therefore no need to scapegoat ones collective and personal angst against them. Working together is far more productive.

lol! Here you go again heaping "guilt" upon yourself as oppose to understanding your unchangeable reality. Again, the immigrants are there to stay. Many of their children are now British citizens. They have just as much right to stay as the British claimed when colonizing their lands. Deal with it. 

My "naivety" tells me that you and others who think as you do will suffer greatly. Your "anti-immigrant" rage and resentment yield you no results. Your dark rage will only implode onto yourself, and an early grave awaits you. . . RIP . . .  [sigh] moving on . . .

I have neither anti-immigrant rage or hate towards them coming here. I do have hate for people who tell me that it is my fault that they're here, as if it was me who didn’t sort out or somehow caused their problems in there own lands for them. This is what you were attempting in your earlier comments and all your bollicks about karma n’ that won’t change what you said.

The problems of globalism won’t be solved with more globalism – the problems get sorted at their ROOTS – not by going somewhere else and looking for guilt based sympathy about what someone’s great, great grandparents may or may not have done!

But keep on denying this and find out where all your guilt at being a white man that you’ve twisted into something called ‘karma’ gets you:

[Chigs]

Many of their children are now British citizens.
 

This is actually one of the sore points aswell, there are some (not all) imigrants that come over here to work have a child and then nick off back to their own country, but because their child was born in the uk they can still claim benifits for them in their homeland!
This is however the government being soft I feel but it does not help an already tense situation...

[crutley]

This is actually one of the sore points aswell, there are some (not all) imigrants that come over here to work have a child and then nick off back to their own country, but because their child was born in the uk they can still claim benifits for them in their homeland!
This is however the government being soft I feel but it does not help an already tense situation...

& I put it to you. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for us and them, if we helped them sort out their problems in their own countries instead of justifying them coming here and taking our jobs - all in the name of 'korma' for what our ancestors may or may not have done?

[Devotional Soul]

They are called Black Nobility as in 'dark / secretive' NOT the colour of their skin you immigrant / race obsessed distraction from reality you.

 

Right.  'Black Nobility' doesn't mean black skin for these people.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/black-nobility.htm
These people earned the title of "Black" nobility from their ruthless lack of scruple. They employed murder, rape, kidnapping, assassination, robbery, and all manner of deceit on a grand scale, brooking no opposition to attaining their objectives. These all have immense wealth. And money is power.

The most powerful of the Black Nobility families are located in Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Britain, Holland and Greece in that order. Their roots may be traced back to the Venetian oligarchs, who are of Khazar extraction, and married into these royal houses in the early part of the twelfth century. (Following a great Khazar victory over the Arabs, the future Emperor, Constantine V, married a Khazar princess and their son became Emperor Leo IV, also known as "Leo the Khazar". The Medecci popes, and Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) were Khazars, as is the Pope, John Paul II. Not all Black Nobility are royal houses, and many of the royal families no longer have kingdoms. According to researcher and author Dr. John Coleman, a "Committee of 300" was established early in the eighteenth century, "although it did not take on its present form until around 1897", (when the China opium trade was legalised).

[oyashango]

I have neither anti-immigrant rage or hate towards them coming here.

GOOD! I am glad that we both agree that scapegoating on the immigrants who are also victims will yield little results. Finally, we are making some progress.

The problems of globalism wont be solved with more globalism – the problems get sorted at their ROOTS

Another point we agree on. The enormous wealth of the British stem from HUNDREDS of years of colonization, enslavement, and the plundering of the economies of the very immigrants who have been INVITED by its global elite to work for a penance  in Britain.

You want to get to the “root” of the problem you say?  Confront and wage war against your elite and demand that they stop the unfair trade practices and the exploitation of their resources, land and labor . . . and voila! Problem solved!   Millions of these groups will be more than happy to return home in droves to expend their intellect and labor into building their own economies and charge fair tariffs on their own resources which you will have to pay their price.

not by going somewhere else and looking for guilt based sympathy about what someone’s great, great grandparents may or may not have done!

Is that where your history lesson ends? You are aware that this exploitation is ONGOING in the present as we speak?   

You must update your knowledge base: If you still read, try these for starters:

Abernethy, David (2000). The Dynamics of Global Dominance, European Overseas Empires 1415-1980.
Yale University Press. http://books.google.com/books?id=ennqNS1EOuMC

Andrews, Kenneth (1984). Trade, Plunder and Settlement: Maritime Enterprise and the Genesis of the British Empire.
http://books.google.com/books?id=iTZSFcfBas8C

But keep on denying this and find out where all your guilt at being a white man that you’ve twisted into something called ‘karma’ gets you:

All I see are the likes of you. (offensive pic deleted).

Look, get over your whining and pathetic self-loathing. It is sickening. There are far more people suffering in this world multi-generationally as a result of the globalists elite.  The immigrants are there to stay, and you have no power to change that . . .  got it! . . .

[cambodreads]

i think crutley needs to realise its ok if at first he did not understand the term Black nobility.. maybe the first responce should have made it a little more clearer.it turnt into a slanging match for a silly matter of 1 not knowing the term black nobility... make it more clearer then it wont be misinterpreted.. remember when do we learn about Black nobility in schools? No malice intended in my reply just pointing out .....  MAYBE WE NEED TO START A GLOSSARY OF WHAT WORDS MEAN IN DIFFERENT CULTURES REGIONS WE ALL USE DIFFERENT WORDS THAT HAVE THE SAME MEANING
Peace

[oyashango]

Right.  'Black Nobility' doesn't mean black skin for these people.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/black-nobility.htm
These people earned the title of "Black" nobility from their ruthless lack of scruple. They employed murder, rape, kidnapping, assassination, robbery, and all manner of deceit on a grand scale, brooking no opposition to attaining their objectives. These all have immense wealth. And money is power.

The most powerful of the Black Nobility families are located in Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Britain, Holland and Greece in that order. Their roots may be traced back to the Venetian oligarchs, who are of Khazar extraction, and married into these royal houses in the early part of the twelfth century. (Following a great Khazar victory over the Arabs, the future Emperor, Constantine V, married a Khazar princess and their son became Emperor Leo IV, also known as "Leo the Khazar". The Medecci popes, and Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) were Khazars, as is the Pope, John Paul II. Not all Black Nobility are royal houses, and many of the royal families no longer have kingdoms. According to researcher and author Dr. John Coleman, a "Committee of 300" was established early in the eighteenth century, "although it did not take on its present form until around 1897", (when the China opium trade was legalised).

Many thanks  "my devoted soul" for the info. Had he made his definition clear, I would have understood that point. . . and that point only.

[cambodreads]

Its all good 

[Chigs]

all in the name of 'korma'

That'll actually get you a visa you know, as your a specialist chef! 

[crutley]

GOOD! I am glad that we both agree that scapegoating on the immigrants who are also victims will yield little results. Finally, we are making some progress.
 
Another point we agree on. The enormous wealth of the British stem from HUNDREDS of years of colonization, enslavement, and the plundering of the economies of the very immigrants who have been INVITED by its global elite to work for a penance  in Britain.

You want to get to the “root” of the problem you say?  Confront and wage war against your elite and demand that they stop the unfair trade practices and the exploitation of their resources, land and labor . . . and voila! Problem solved!   Millions of these groups will be more than happy to return home in droves to expend their intellect and labor into building their own economies and charge fair tariffs on their own resources which you will have to pay their price.

Is that where your history lesson ends? You are aware that this exploitation is ONGOING in the present as we speak?   

You must update your knowledge base: If you still read, try these for starters:

Abernethy, David (2000). The Dynamics of Global Dominance, European Overseas Empires 1415-1980.
Yale University Press. http://books.google.com/books?id=ennqNS1EOuMC

Andrews, Kenneth (1984). Trade, Plunder and Settlement: Maritime Enterprise and the Genesis of the British Empire.
http://books.google.com/books?id=iTZSFcfBas8C

All I see are the likes of you. (offensive pic deleted).

Look, get over your whining and pathetic self-loathing. It is sickening. There are far more people suffering in this world multi-generationally as a result of the globalists elite.  The immigrants are there to stay, and you have no power to change that . . .  got it! . . .

A pathetic self - loather is what people like you would make me if I listened to all your guilt mongering. As if the immigrants being here EVER bothered me - its globalist guilt peddlers like you who do! You really are narrow minded aren't you. Narrow minded, ignorant and NAIVE! Why don't you actually LISTEN to Alex Jones once in a while and you might learn about how the globalists are creating this immigrant problem as a way to destroy the west - not for the benefit of the immigrants - but to bring down the middle class in the west (the true threat to the elite) and drive US ALL into 3rd world living conditions.

But hey, you seem to love talking about how the immigrants are being victimised by me because you assume that everything I buy is produced in a Chinese sweat shop by a 5 year old for 10p a week – so you’re probably longing for us all to end up in such hellish conditions.

[crutley]

Many thanks  "my devoted soul" for the info. Had he made his definition clear, I would have understood that point. . . and that point only.

Had you ACTUALLY spent any time listening to Alex Jones and watching his movies and did some research you would have known what the term 'Black Nobility' was - just like you should know that NWO means New World Order, who David Rockefeller is and who the Council on Foreign Relations are.

Methinks it is YOU who needs to 'update your knowledge base!'

[cambodreads]

if you want the last word it makes you feel a bit better then fine have it .Yes i am aware of the NWO and council of foreign affairs etc etc its always a constant battle..Cant wait for yet another Alex jones show today.. Have a nice day

[crutley]

if you want the last word it makes you feel a bit better then fine have it .Yes i am aware of the NWO and council of foreign affairs etc etc its always a constant battle..Cant wait for yet another Alex jones show today.. Have a nice day

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