IT'S THE SUN, silly...!

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IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« on: February 19, 2009, 02:08:30 PM »
In the first hour of the radio show today (02-19-09), Alex was explaining how powerful the Sun is, and its broad impact upon all of the planetary bodies in the solar system including the affect on Mars' polar caps, and the methane ice covered moons of some of the Jovian gas giant planets which reside much further away from the Sun than Earth or Mars. His summary of the Sun being the cause was spot on, yet a time frame for these solar cycles is in order.

The Sun has seasonal cycles, with maximums and minimums in solar activity and irradiance which oscillate on roughly an 11/22 year cycle, it has longer cycles as well. The solar maximum we just came out of began after 4 years of relative calm in late 2000, and abruptly ended in August of 2007. The cycle previous to this one peaked in 1989-'90, smoothing out into relative stability until late 2000. With variations in intensity, this cycle repeats itself just like the seasons do here on Earth.


The first photo is of the sun in visible light taken in March of 2001, 45 days after the solar polar shift. This image shows much solar activity which remained fairly high for another 18 months... the small sunspot in the center of the solar image, has a diameter equal to 2 1/2 times the diameter of the earth... needless to say this photograph shows intense solar activity.


The second image is from January of 2002. this was very close to the time of peak activity. It is a composite of a photo of the solar disc, superimposed over a coronal image taken at the same time both in ultraviolet light. By this time the sun has been building intensity for almost two years. 2002 was the year that Colorado burned big time with at least a dozen forest and wild fires including the Hayman Fire which burned almost 250 square miles which burned a swath of the Front Range that extended from west of Colorado Springs to west of Denver. Many any other states were equally scorched beginning in April with area fires raging until the winter cold stopped the flames.This was the peak of the 11/22 year cycle maximum/maximum. The next peak will be a minimum/maximum in 2012-2014, it should be a bit less intense, but we'll see.


The third image was taken in visible light in October of 2003. The large sunspot is 15 Earth diameters across. The spot directly above it is so intense you can see the flare exchange with its neighbor to the left, face on, in visible light even against the brightness of the background.


The fourth image, is a pair taken about an hour apart and shows the Sun as it appears today February 19, 2009. On the top as seen in ultraviolet light, and on the bottom as it appears in visible light.

The three feet of snow outside my door lets me know that the Sun is still in control, to the IPCC and algore's deep chagrin, no doubt.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html

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*********Addendum: 12-08-12*********

Here the sun is NOW... in both visible and UV light... what you are seeing here is a direct link to the SOHO site linked below; the images will change as the most current images are brought on line -- so, you are seeing the sun as it is NOW as you read.
 




In late 2012 through 2014, it should look a lot like it did in 2001-2003, the first pictures shown in this Post

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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 02:10:10 PM »
interesting, thanks.

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 02:14:14 PM »
Thanks JT, "but it's the nasty peons that are responsible"- sarcasm
You've laid it out very well. 
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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 02:27:05 PM »
it's been stated by many scientists and such that deal specifically with the sun, that the sun has been unnaturally inactive, spotless for months.... and as such, has historically done this shortly before some record breaking activity occurs. They all are concerned.

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 02:40:17 PM »
I also keep hearing some "Scientists" saying that the sun has very minimal effects on global warming!
So it makes sense that all the warming of other planets and moons is due to you idiots driving your SUV'S!!

Get a horse! - oh, wait a minute - horses emit methane gas! Darn! Don't get a horse!!
And whatever you do, don't die! For many years your survivors will be paying the taxes on the carbon emissions of your decaying body!

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 02:46:34 PM »
lol pretty much..

but i would rather take the scientists that state that the sun is the major cause of global/planetary warming word with a little more weight, and they are actually the ones usually concerned over the current state of the suns spotless record in the last number of months....

Meanwhile the rest of the resources are busy looking at minimal things the while in mass do "assist" this warming, don't have any major impact worthwhile noting.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2009, 02:48:41 PM »
Actually the sun will go spotless for long periods every 4 or 5 cycles or so as it did in the mid '50s... The overall trend in the long scheme is a gradual warming and in a thousand years or so the Sahara will begin again to bloom as it did 9000 years ago, since there are extremely long earth orbit and axis oscillations that must be considered as well.

What you are hearing is the ramblings of the globalist scientists attempting to commandeer the solar cycle to their apocalyptic pending mass destruction of humanity, I can just hear them touting their... "we need to implement a world solar tax to build a giant solar screen to shield the Earth from the ravages of the sun"... global agenda.

After the last four cycles of intensity the Sun is taking a rest, a balance... and will slowly resume its cyclic activity here in the next year or so.

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2009, 03:01:25 PM »
na i haven't been paying all that much attention to the globalist scientists that are thinking up rediculious schemes to solve the problem. They just make a point of pointing at the true fact of the matter being that the sun is the real reason for the warming period.... and it's not "abnormal"... They don't claim doomsday either, but state that following the calm cycle we are currently in is usually always a voilent start that at most will disrupt a number of elecrical grids or disrupt satalite communcations, with the chance of permanently damaging these intruments.

The graph i saw while did coinside within the 50's as you stated.... they said made a note of some of the history before that. All very interesting, not quite sure how they could have records that go back further then 1900's though....

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2009, 03:08:16 PM »
Here you can see how huge the sun is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WEL117xXpw
So who is now more powerful? the little human beeings or the huge sun?  ;D This is speaking for itsself...
Only the real conspiracy nuts think that humans have more affect than the sun...  ;)
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 03:10:34 PM »
na i haven't been paying all that much attention to the globalist scientists that are thinking up rediculious schemes to solve the problem. They just make a point of pointing at the true fact of the matter being that the sun is the real reason for the warming period.... and it's not "abnormal"... They don't claim doomsday either, but state that following the calm cycle we are currently in is usually always a voilent start that at most will disrupt a number of elecrical grids or disrupt satalite communcations, with the chance of permanently damaging these intruments.

The graph i saw while did coinside within the 50's as you stated.... they said made a note of some of the history before that. All very interesting, not quite sure how they could have records that go back further then 1900's though....

Sunspot records have been kept since the late 1600's, through drawings and count/size data... Galileo was the first to note and record them, as well as Newton, John Gregory, Guillieme Cassegrain, John Hershel and others.

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2009, 03:21:52 PM »
well i knew of the records held from the 1600s... but i'm curious to know how accurate they really are... there is far more data being recorded today then there was a decade ago.. and more then then 2 decades and so forth....

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 03:45:32 PM »
well i knew of the records held from the 1600s... but i'm curious to know how accurate they really are... there is far more data being recorded today then there was a decade ago.. and more then then 2 decades and so forth....

The sunspot data from the time of Galileo is pretty concise including detailed drawings, some of the data using the larger 18th century telescope projection methods Galileo didn't have, as his blindness in later life is testament... show a very sophisticated cataloging of the cyclic appearance and disappearance of spots and flares and is the data on which the 11/22 year cycle is based.

As is the nature of scientific investigation, it becomes more sophisticated as time progresses yet not beyond tutored understanding, and with new analytical tools, using spectral analysis as well as photometric and gravimetric tools and others, it is possible to take old records, coupled with meteorological and other data from the same period and extrapolate causes and effects quite accurately.

The major problem we have today, is a relative lack of general systems understanding among the average folks... this makes it easier for those who desire to skew the specific knowledge, coupled with the media, they can create fear and hysteria from the data in a way they never could when education in an open environment was freely disseminated... where the children are taught the tools of understanding as well as the facts of the world in which they live, in contrast to being taught mere socialist agenda and its dumbed down faux reality.

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2009, 03:55:11 PM »
some of that i wasn't completely aware of... and they don't make some of that information easily available without directly researching it.

Theres so many topics and specific items to research i've been trying to get a grasp on everything instead of bull heading my way through a single specific thing.

Wish schools actually were what they were designed to be, i've finding daily that the full 13+ years of schooling was childs play and a total waist of time

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2009, 04:10:58 PM »
The "education system" over the last century and for 40 years in earnest, has not been about education, it's been indoctrination as the primary goal. Globalist agenda, Psychological, social, and political brainwashing is the goal, and that has succeeded pretty much... Here is an overview of the history of education by a man who has studied it for almost 50 years...

This is the third in the series of interviews Alex did with John Taylor Gatto aired on January 23rd 2008, beginning in hour 2. He and Alex get into the eugenics philosophy and it's two camps, both of which are socialist systems predicated on the false idea of a "natural" separation between the "elite" and the "lower classes" spiritually, intellectually and genetically.

One camp is the "round up and destroy" system employed by Hitler, Stalin, Mao and others who prefer mass death and extermination as their method. The other camp is much more subtle and institutional in their hidden operations. they use heavily monitored outcome based education, big pharms controlled institutional medicine, mass-fluoridation of water and food, and other soft-kill programs. We are under constant attack by subterfuge at the hands of the unwitting among us who are the boots on the ground in the second more stealthily implemented system. This second system quickly morphs into the first as the people awaken to its "slow Kill". This is where we find ourselves now.

Hour 1: http://archives2008.gcnlive.com/Archives2008/jan2008/Alex5691/0123081.mp3

Hour 2: http://archives2008.gcnlive.com/Archives2008/jan2008/Alex5691/0123082.mp3

Hour 3: http://archives2008.gcnlive.com/Archives2008/jan2008/Alex5691/0123083.mp3

"What has happened in our schools was foreseen long ago by Jefferson. We have been recolonized silently in a second American Revolution. Time to take our script from this country’s revolutionary start, time to renew traditional hostility toward hierarchy and tutelage. We became a unique nation from the bottom up, that is the only way to rebuild a worthy concept of education." ~John Taylor Gatto


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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2009, 04:23:51 PM »
Check this out and use the link to debunk the CO2 hoax believers:

Live Sunspot counting together with NASA
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2009, 04:26:23 PM »
Just like the Earth goes through seasons so does the sun and the galaxy as a whole.  The galactic season is broken up into four smaller seasons, all four together last a period of 26,000 years.  The end of this season, the Kali Yuga which you can equate with winter, is scheduled to end on December 21st, 2012 and a new spring season begins.  What's interesting is that scientists have discovered massive amounts of ash in antarctic ice samples every 26,000 years.

Just as sunlight has an effect on Earth life so does the energy coming from the center of the galaxy.  This galactic energy effects consciousness and living in the wintery Kali Yuga most of humanity is spiritually inept and focused on materialism.  This will change as the energy emitting from the center of the galaxy changes when we go into the new spring galactic season.  You will witness an increase in consciousness.

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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2009, 05:05:59 PM »
Just like the Earth goes through seasons so does the sun and the galaxy as a whole.  The galactic season is broken up into four smaller seasons, all four together last a period of 26,000 years.  The end of this season, the Kali Yuga which you can equate with winter, is scheduled to end on December 21st, 2012 and a new spring season begins.  What's interesting is that scientists have discovered massive amounts of ash in antarctic ice samples every 26,000 years.

Just as sunlight has an effect on Earth life so does the energy coming from the center of the galaxy.  This galactic energy effects consciousness and living in the wintery Kali Yuga most of humanity is spiritually inept and focused on materialism.  This will change as the energy emitting from the center of the galaxy changes when we go into the new spring galactic season.  You will witness an increase in consciousness.

 TDF,

You are mixing disciplines here. First off, traditionally the age known as the Kali Yuga, which corresponds to the worst throw of the four sided die in Hindu cosmology, lasts a total of 432,000 years. It is not "scheduled" to end on December 21, 2012, it is being calculated by apocalyptic astrologers and such, TO end at that time.

Only one of the cycles is close to 26,000 years, and that is the precession of the Earth's axis, which has absolutely no relationship to the date December 21, 2012, other than the fact that it will continue to proceed in its precession on that day, as would be the case with any other day since within a circular cycle, any point on the circle can be considered the beginning or the end.

The galactic cycle is an undulatory process of eddy and flow that takes approximately 226,000 years to make one rotation. During this extremely long cycle, the solar-system eddies and flows and the Earth experiences shorter cycles include the so-called Milankovitch cycles, which consist of variations in orbital eccentricity, axial angle relative to the orbital plane, as well as the precession of the aphelion/perihelion of the Earth's elliptical orbit along with cyclic shifts in the angle of the orbital plane itself.... and then there is the sun.

All of these together, with the gravitational effects including the Moon, are still being worked out. If more people were being taught actual science, instead of  'pseudoscience/climate change/Ghia cosmology" in schools and universities, much of the apocalyptic fear and trepidation that seems to permeate everything these days, would be averted and the facts would have been worked out by all of the new educated awareness that would have resulted, and more would be known. The powers that persist can't have that though... it would be a threat to their control.

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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2009, 06:09:51 PM »
Kali Yuga began 5,000 years ago (3100 BC to be exact), and lasts 432,000 years.  So we have another 427,000 years until the end of Kali Yuga.  There is a 'Golden Age within Kali Yuga' that started 500 years ago and is to last 10,000 years.  I just compiled info about this on my blog:
http://vedicinsight.blogspot.com/2009/02/vedic-prophecies-golden-age-within-kali.html


The nwo sun worshipping elite are fully aware of the solar maximums.  9/11 happened during the last one and Bush Sr. first announced the 'new world order' in his speech during the one before that. 

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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2009, 01:18:18 AM »
The point is, all of this philosophical/theological/religious/climate change, banter, becomes immediately trivial and irrelevant to the future of the Earth, should the sun suddenly wink out...

IT'S THE SUN, silly..!!

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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2009, 03:15:48 AM »
 The fact that a couple years ago (when record tempts were experienced here on Earth), NASA data showed that there was warming on many other bodies in the solar system...  was the best evidence by far.

  It really makes someone stop in their tracks... Obviously your SUV didn't cause the ice caps on Mars to partially melt in places...
 And that's easy enough to verify with a NASA.gov hyperlink.

  Have you noticed how it's semanticly shifted from "global warming" to "climate change"

  Hey douchbags!  The *climate* changes every year ... it's called seasons. 

 
  Another interesting factoid:   Mt St Helens released more greenhouse gasses than all of human activity since the beginning of the industrial revolution.  (Can't remember where I came across this but I verified it at the time)
 
   Does that mean we need a global carbon tax and global government to stop the evil volcanoes?
  Who would you tax to prevent volcanoes?  God?
 
  No... you and I are the only taxable entities under their thumb...   like the dog that gets kicked when the master is frustrated.

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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2009, 01:21:25 PM »
Alex just told a caller that the sun has a 12 year cycle... it actually is about 11 years and is only one third of the short term solar cycle story... this is merely one component of a more complex solar irradiance cyclic fluctuation modality...

Here is a short, very concise article that explains these subtle solar changes and how they function. The article also explains the the methods and satellites that are tasked specifically to study "Ol' Sol"... http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1995/94JA02897.shtml... it will help to have a dictionary handy... this article may be short, but it is PACKED.

Here's Ol' Sol's appearance today...(04-02-2009)... still spotless...



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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2009, 01:25:20 PM »
Thanks JT
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2009, 09:44:46 PM »
Jason said on the show today that the sun was getting hotter... but Alex stands with NASA Astronuants that the sun is in a cycle getting cooler. It's easy to pick apart these clowns.

The sun has been in a cooling cycle since August of 2007... the latest word from SOHO is that the cycle is now working toward a warming after almost two years of zero sunspot activity... this means that we should start seeing spots again before this coming winter signaling the visible signs of this warm up...

If you look at this SOHO photo of the sun taken today, keep in mind that the sun rotates from the left to the right every 25 days or so, and for the last 20 months has been completely storm and spot free... a cool phase called solar minimum... you will notice on the limb of the upper left quadrant, a whitish storm developing over the last day. The sun makes a complete rotation at its equator every 25 days or so.


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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2009, 09:49:10 PM »
Al gore is an idiot

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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2009, 09:56:27 PM »
The Image in my previous post above was from May 29th...

Below is what the Sun looks like today June 1st 2009, as the storm moves with the Sun's slow 25 day rotation... These are the first full blown Sun Spots to appear on the sun, since August 2007...

Solar minimum is just about over for this cycle....


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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2009, 10:30:13 PM »

Well, which is it .... global warming -or- global cooling?   ???



May 13, 2009

The Coming Ice Age
By David Deming

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/the_coming_ice_age.html


Those who ignore the geologic perspective do so at great risk.  In fall of 1985, geologists warned that a Columbian volcano, Nevado del Ruiz, was getting ready to erupt.  But the volcano had been dormant for 150 years.  So government officials and inhabitants of nearby towns did not take the warnings seriously.  On the evening of November 13, Nevado del Ruiz erupted, triggering catastrophic mudslides.  In the town of Armero, 23,000 people were buried alive in a matter of seconds.

For ninety percent of the last million years, the normal state of the Earth's climate has been an ice age.  Ice ages last about 100,000 years, and are punctuated by short periods of warm climate, or interglacials.  The last ice age started about 114,000 years ago.  It began instantaneously.  For a hundred-thousand years, temperatures fell and sheets of ice a mile thick grew to envelop much of North America, Europe and Asia.  The ice age ended nearly as abruptly as it began.  Between about 12,000 and 10,000 years ago, the temperature in Greenland rose more than 50 °F.

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From the film, ‘The Day After Tomorrow’

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We don't know what causes ice ages to begin or end.  In 1875, a janitor turned geologist, James Croll, proposed that small variations in Earth's orbit around the Sun were responsible for climate change.  This idea enjoyed its greatest heyday during the 1970s, when ocean sediment cores appeared to confirm the theory.  But in 1992, Ike Winograd and his colleagues at the US Geological Survey falsified the theory by demonstrating that its predictions were inconsistent with new, high-quality data.

The climate of the ice ages is documented in the ice layers of Greenland and Antarctica.  We have cored these layers, extracted them, and studied them in the laboratory.  Not only were ice ages colder than today, but the climates were considerably more variable.  Compared to the norm of the last million years, our climate is remarkably warm, stable and benign.  During the last ice age in Greenland abrupt climatic swings of 30 °F were common.  Since the ice age ended, variations of 3 °F are uncommon.

For thousands of years, people have learned from experience that cold temperatures are detrimental for human welfare and warm temperatures are beneficial.  From about 1300 to 1800 AD, the climate cooled slightly during a period known as the Little Ice Age.  In Greenland, the temperature fell by about 4 °F.  Although trivial, compared to an ice age cooling of 50 °F, this was nevertheless sufficient to wipe out the Viking colony there.

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In northern Europe, the Little Ice Age kicked off with the Great Famine of 1315.  Crops failed due to cold temperatures and incessant rain.  Desperate and starving, parents ate their children, and people dug up corpses from graves for food.  In jails, inmates instantly set upon new prisoners and ate them alive.

The Great Famine was followed by the Black Death, the greatest disaster ever to hit the human race.  One-third of the human race died; terror and anarchy prevailed. Human civilization as we know it is only possible in a warm interglacial climate.  Short of a catastrophic asteroid impact, the greatest threat to the human race is the onset of another ice age.

The oscillation between ice ages and interglacial periods is the dominant feature of Earth's climate for the last million years.  But the computer models that predict significant global warming from carbon dioxide cannot reproduce these temperature changes.  This failure to reproduce the most significant aspect of terrestrial climate reveals an incomplete understanding of the climate system, if not a nearly complete ignorance.

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Global warming predictions by meteorologists are based on speculative, untested, and poorly constrained computer models.  But our knowledge of ice ages is based on a wide variety of reliable data, including cores from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets.  In this case, it would be perspicacious to listen to the geologists, not the meteorologists.  By reducing our production of carbon dioxide, we risk hastening the advent of the next ice age.  Even more foolhardy and dangerous is the Obama administration's announcement that they may try to cool the planet through geoengineering.  Such a move in the middle of a cooling trend could provoke the irreversible onset of an ice age.  It is not hyperbole to state that such a climatic change would mean the end of human civilization as we know it.

Earth's climate is controlled by the Sun.  In comparison, every other factor is trivial.  The coldest part of the Little Ice Age during the latter half of the seventeenth century was marked by the nearly complete absence of sunspots.  And the Sun now appears to be entering a new period of quiescence.  August of 2008 was the first month since the year 1913 that no sunspots were observed.  As I write, the sun remains quiet.  We are in a cooling trend.  The areal extent of global sea ice is above the twenty-year mean.

We have heard much of the dangers of global warming due to carbon dioxide.  But the potential danger of any potential anthropogenic warming is trivial compared to the risk of entering a new ice age.  Public policy decisions should be based on a realistic appraisal that takes both climate scenarios into consideration.

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http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-0/

Short video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttLBqB0qDko

Lou Dobbs - Warns of the Coming Ice Age
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/01/14/cnn-segment-warns-coming-ice-age

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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2009, 12:25:40 AM »
Global Warming or Global Cooling??

How About Global Cycling

It's the way we have all been raised... to think in terms of either/or with regard to everything. We have all been taught from the time we were born to think in the either/or dialectic. Today it is second nature to us, we are polarized by design. This sets up the way we think politically as well, like in left/right, Republican/Democrat, communist/fascist, and the list goes on... Most folks know no other way. This is not the way of the Constitutional system however... there is no dialectical terms in it.

Folks who grew up in the natural world, rural folks, like 90% of the population did up until the last half of the 20th century, as well as the native peoples for countless generations before that, all of whom understood that the universe functions in cycles. The short cycle of night and day, lunar cycles which roughly mark the months, seasonal cycles which are marked by solstices and equinoxes and weather changes.  Then the longer cycles that are indicated by periodic drought and floods, which are marked by the longer seasonal cycles where summers get gradually longer and warmer for a few years and then they recede gradually back to cooler. These things were known to people who were in touch with their local well grounded universe.

Today however, 90% of the population are urban... living in well lit cities, scantly aware of many of the cycles around them, everything they see, is rectilinear... a grid work... They absorb televised fantasies, (mostly on the nightly news) from a rectangular screen... where little if any semblance of the real world is portrayed. This is certainly the case in the grid work indoctrination centers called the public schools, and other schools as well. All of this has been the perfect hunting ground for the Hegelian dialectic politicians, and rich men of our age. A perfect source, the slave pool from which to garner the dumbed down labor necessary to create their utopia... and now no longer needed for their purpose, they are subtly teaching the children that they must die to save the planet... Anyone who believes in this Anthropogenic Climate change/overpopulation tripe, is not well... indeed.

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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2009, 08:43:33 AM »
^ ^ ^ ^

Coyote:

A great thread  .... and I fully agree with what you have said. It IS the sun, silly, and maybe other repeating influences as well.

Mankind and all the other species have survived the cool/warm cycle for all these millions of years ... the expanding/retreating icecaps and all the rest.

I read the Clan of the Cave Bear series years ago ... excellent fiction set in the distant past at the dawn of civilization. If you like fiction I highly recommend the series ... helps to get a mental picture of those times.

Mankind and animals as well as plant life flourished in the equatorial regions during the ice ages, albeit on a lesser scale ... it is during these short inter-glacial periods that more of the planet's surface can and does support massive increases in quantity of life.

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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2009, 08:49:29 AM »
Global Warming or Global Cooling??

How About Global Cycling

It's the way we have all been raised... to think in terms of either/or with regard to everything. We have all been taught from the time we were born to think in the dialectic terms of either/or, it is second nature to us, we are polarized by design. This sets us up for the way we think politically as well, like in left/right, Republican/Democrat, communist/fascist, and the list goes on... Most folks know no other way. This is not the way of the Constitutional system however... there is no dialectical terms in it.

Folks who grew up in the natural world, rural folks, like 90% of the population did up until the last half of the 20th century, as well as the native peoples, for countless generations before that, all of whom understood that the universe functions in cycles. The short cycle of night and day, lunar cycles which roughly mark the months, seasonal cycles which are marked by solstices and equinoxes and weather changes.  Then the longer cycles that are indicated by periodic drought and floods, which are marked by the longer seasonal cycles where summers get gradually longer and warmer for a few years and then they recede gradually back to cooler. These things were known to people who were in touch with their local, well grounded universe.

Today however, 90% of the population are urban... living in well lit cities, scantly aware of many of the cycles around them, everything they see, is rectilinear... a grid work... They absorb televised fantasies, (mostly on the nightly news) from a rectangular screen... where little if any semblance of the real world is portrayed. This is certainly the case in the grid work indoctrination centers called the public schools, and other schools as well. All of this has been the perfect hunting ground for the Hegelian dialectic politicians, and rich men of our age. A perfect source, the slave pool from which to garner the dumbed down labor necessary to create their utopia... and now no longer needed for their purpose, they are subtly teaching the children that they must die to save the planet... Anyone who believes in this Anthropogenic Climate change/overpopulation tripe, is not well... indeed.

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Well put JT,  :)

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If the sun is shutting down, and our planet earth is in terrible shape.
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2009, 10:15:14 PM »
 The sun: our source of power; is at a point in recorded history that shows: THE SUN IS SHUTING DOWN!
Sun spot activity has stopped. ( info came be found on at 'Space Weather website' )
The sun is currently in it's most quiet period in recorded history. there were no sunspots observed on 266 of the 365 days in 2008 (73%) and as of May 2009, there had been no sunspots on 109 of the 127 days since the year began (86%).
  The sun is shutting down; and this means global cooling and the end of the modern age according to Biblical prophecy.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the terrible day of the Lord come." Joel 2:31

 If the sun is shutting down, and our planet earth is in terrible shape: then can this Bible prophecy be at the door of time?
  Yes I am mad as hell: but the Bible says when the end is near "look up for your redemption is nigh"
I understand that the NWO lies about the coming doom: but I also understand that the Bible tells me the truth...the sun is shutting down...but the SON is coming back....peace my friends.... ;)
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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2009, 11:32:02 PM »
The sun: our source of power; is at a point in recorded history that shows: THE SUN IS SHUTING DOWN!
Sun spot activity has stopped. ( info came be found on at 'Space Weather website' )
The sun is currently in it's most quiet period in recorded history. there were no sunspots observed on 266 of the 365 days in 2008 (73%) and as of May 2009, there had been no sunspots on 109 of the 127 days since the year began (86%).
  The sun is shutting down; and this means global cooling and the end of the modern age according to Biblical prophecy.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the terrible day of the Lord come." Joel 2:31

 If the sun is shutting down, and our planet earth is in terrible shape: then can this Bible prophecy be at the door of time?
  Yes I am mad as hell: but the Bible says when the end is near "look up for your redemption is nigh"
I understand that the NWO lies about the coming doom: but I also understand that the Bible tells me the truth...the sun is shutting down...but the SON is coming back....peace my friends.... ;)

interesting from a biblical perspective, as an atheist i think with the pole shift in 2012 combined with a solar flair up we're in big trouble since the magnetic field will no longer shelter us from the harmful radiation .

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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2009, 12:29:28 AM »
iamc,

At the present time, the sun is in the 11year cycle solar minimum... it has been since August of 2007. It was almost completely spotless for about 16 months... only within the last two months has it began to spot up again. Now this happens about every 11 years... with a maximum maximum spot cycle the sun's big summer so to speak, every 22 years... many people are totally unaware of this...  Al gore likes that... makes it easy to sell the young and unwitting on "fire and ice" lies and deception...

I'm trained in astronomy and physics... I have been watching the sun since the early 60s... everything is just fine... the spot activity is increasing as you can see in post number 24 of this thread. We are now climbing out of solar minimum which will reach its short-term solar maximum in about 4 years... I know it takes a long time, but you must be patient...

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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2009, 12:47:00 AM »
Kakistocrats use any excuse... environmentalism, terrorism, people being a danger to themselves or to others, or whatever they can come up with.

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« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2009, 03:20:19 PM »
The sun has been in a cooling cycle since August of 2007... the latest word from SOHO is that the cycle is now working toward a warming after almost two years of zero sunspot activity... this means that we should start seeing spots again before this coming winter signaling the visible signs of this warm up...

If you look at this SOHO photo of the sun taken today, keep in mind that the sun rotates from the left to the right every 25 days or so, and for the last 20 months has been completely storm and spot free... a cool phase called solar minimum... you will notice on the limb of the upper left quadrant, a whitish storm developing over the last day. The sun makes a complete rotation at its equator every 25 days or so.



It's not so much a solar warming or cooling or brightness that accounts for the changes on Earth, the really interesting science is about the effect of solar magnetic output and charged particles on the Earth's atmosphere and said effect on cosmic rays from elsewhere in the galaxy which have ionisation effects in Earths lower atmosphere.

See this excellent paper for an overview of these effects and supporting data.

http://www.marshall.org/article.php?id=91

Also I disagree with your earlier remarks that everything was "just fine" with this solar cycle (although I understand you wrote that a few months ago). The sunspot count is significantly lower than the lowest prediction curves for this cycle with just 32 so far in total. The next solar max is in 3 years time in 2012/2013, what were you referring to when you said the "next short term solar maximum in 10 years"?

There are many who see this as a power-down of the sun, a Maunder Minimum type event, which will become more obvious in cycle 25 or later this cycle. There is also the solar pole shift in 2012/2013 which if at a very low maximum may permit a pole shift on Earth..there are many unpredictable factors at play..interesting times.

This is another interesting article I came across recently.

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/nasa-solar-cycle-may-cause-dangerous-global-cooling-in-a-few-years-time/

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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2009, 04:24:25 PM »


Also, here is an article and interview about the increasing cosmic rays on Earth caused by the Sun's inactivity, from another thread:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=138736.msg836548#msg836548

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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2009, 01:43:34 AM »
Boys 'n' Gals... in this thread, please bring science, the real deal... I don't care to get this boiled up with "the scare me if you please" tabloid news and pseudo science...Okay...? Thanks.

The Sun shifts polarity virtually every solar maximum and has ever since I've been observing it... interesting watching coronal patterns as it takes place through the coronagraph... minimum minimum is the maximum minimum in the 11/22 year cycle... maximum is when there is a polar shift... it last happened on February 15, 2001, and is set to happen again in 2012.

Willie's research, though compelling is not conclusive given what we knew about this long cyclic activity as early as the 1950s... which was quite similar, yet did not alter the overall trend in the climate to creep slowly toward the median... it also must be understood that most of the particles that are trapped within the Van Allen radiation belts which are created by the Earth's magnetic field whipped by the solar wind, are those highly energized cosmic particles...

As has always been the case when new technologies are used, when something is discovered it is seen as somehow of  new cosmic significance... what is really of significance is its discovery but it does not alter the fact that even if it wasn't discovered it hasn't occurring over time very much as today. In other words, what is discovered is not somehow created by it's discovery.

Just like the wandering hole in the ozone layer... we would have never known about it had it not been discovered, but that doesn't mean it wasn't always there, or at worst it wasn't the result of the extreme high altitude nuclear tests of the 1950's and '60's. I defy any scientist to conclusively prove with evidence that it was an opening that occurred because of rising chloro-fluro-carbons (Freon refrigerant) into the atmosphere for 30 years before the time of the hole's discovery...

I'm really getting sick of neo-climate science and its desire to line it's pockets with apocalyptic headlines... and I would challenge Willie to give us something conclusive and evidential... that proves a cosmic catastrophe as indeed something new to be feared... I find it curious that in the last couple of weeks the Hysteria Channel has been running a big "ooga-booga scary scary" series on cosmic radiation... citing his paper as some kind of proof... I hate globalists.

Like I said everything is just fine and the sparkling baby is functioning just like a well tuned Porsche on all six cylinders... I could care less what the new age rags, and various religious trendies have to say about it... I understand what our star's been doing the last 300 years by understanding the scientific work of long dead dedicated observers and those of our time... I myself have been watching it seriously for almost 50 years... Bring in some real science boys...  cause this isn't a god'amned "I hate NASA" thread...

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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2009, 10:39:10 AM »
Boys... in this thread... bring science, the real deal... I don't care about "the scare me if you please" tabloid news and pseudo science... The Sun shifts polarity virtually every solar maximum ... has ever since I've been watching it... interesting watching coronal patterns as it takes place through the coronagraph... minimum minimum is the maximum minimum in the 11/22 year cycle... maximum is when there is a polar shift... it last happened on February 15, 2001.

Willie's research, though compelling is not conclusive given what we know about solar activity as early as the 1950s... which was quite similar, yet did not alter the overall trend in the climate to creep slowly toward the median... it also must be understood that most of the particles that are trapped within the Van Allen radiation belts which are created by the Earth's magnetic field are those highly energized cosmic particles...

As has always been the case when new technologies are used, when something is discovered it is seen as somehow of a cosmic significance... what is really of significance is its discovery but it does not alter the fact that even if it wasn't discovered... that 100 years ago it was occurring very much as it is today...

Just like the wandering hole in the ozone layer... we would have never known about it had it not been discovered... but that doesn't mean it wasn't always there... and I defy any scientist to conclusively state with evidence that it was an opening that occured close to the time of its discovery... I'm really getting sick of neo-climate science and its desire to line it's pockets with apocalyptic headlines... and I would challenge Willie to give us something conclusive evidentially that his cosmic catastrophy as shown is indeed something new... I find it curious, since in the last couple of weeks the Histeria Channel has been running a big "ooga-booga scary scary" series on cosmic radiation... I hate globalists.

Like I said everything is just fine and the sparkling baby is functioning just like a fine Porsche on all six cylinders... I could care less what the new age rags have to say about it... I understand what it's been doing the last 300 years... and have been watching it for over 50.. bring in some real science boys...  cause this isn't a god-damn "I hate NASA" thread...

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Solar cycle 24 is off to a very unusually slow start and estimates have to be continually downgraded, this is a simple fact. The next solar max and pole shift is due in 2012/2013, please enlighten me as to what your "short term solar maximum in 10 years" refers to.

Dr Soon's paper represents real science - although most people dont know what that is these days. Have you read it? Did you understand it? It sounds like you know "Willie" personally - or could that have been an attempt at familial diminishment..

There is nothing conclusive about the mechanism for the sun's interraction with earth's atmosphere. There are simply theories which are backed by logic and data; and those that are not, like AGW and also theories of solar irradiance alone. You seem to be taking the "i know what i know and dont bother me with any of that newfangled stuff" approach, so good luck with that, but that attitude would be more at home with the AGW crowd.


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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2009, 11:57:01 AM »
Solar cycle 24 is off to a very unusually slow start and estimates have to be continually downgraded, this is a simple fact. The next solar max and pole shift is due in 2012/2013, please enlighten me as to what your "short term solar maximum in 10 years" refers to.

Dr Soon's paper represents real science - although most people dont know what that is these days. Have you read it? Did you understand it? It sounds like you know "Willie" personally - or could that have been an attempt at familial diminishment..

There is nothing conclusive about the mechanism for the sun's interraction with earth's atmosphere. There are simply theories which are backed by logic and data; and those that are not, like AGW and also theories of solar irradiance alone. You seem to be taking the "i know what i know and dont bother me with any of that newfangled stuff" approach, so good luck with that, but that attitude would be more at home with the AGW crowd.



If you noticed the minimum in this cycle, was abrupt, and about a year later than "usual". The sun was unusually violent through mid-2007... then in August of that year it went virtually spotless. It remained so until May of this year. The NASA solar research team predicted in 2002 that cycle 23 was exhibiting the same characteristics as cycle 20. Solar astronomers suggested that Cycle 23 is much like Cycle 20 in the way it rose. Cycle 20 took about four years to reach peak and about seven years to descend to minimum. If the two are alike, that could mean that Cycle 23 would reach bottom abruptly in 2007 (which it did), The peak of Cycle 24 then may begin as quickly, peaking as early as 2011.

There is no reason to suspect the beginning of another Maunder minimum... which is what signaled the dip into the Little Ice Age, when the sun went virtually spotless from 1645 to 1715. After just two years of sunspot inactivity, I think it's a bit premature to begin predicting another event of that magnitude.  The minimum minimum, referrers to the relatively long cool period that occurs every other 11 year cycle which may be the case now which would indicate a shorter minimum in 2017-18 at maximum minimum...

This pattern of variation has been observed for almost 300 years as borne out in the data. Hence the reason it is called the 11/22 year cycle. Though it has demonstrated in the past, that it can short cycle or long cycle plus or minus 3 years or so, even within a "long cycle event" like the Maunder minimum yet much less pronounced. My estimation is that this next cycle will be very similar to cycle 19 and may not peak until mid-2013... this is just my prediction based upon the past record of fluctuations and correlations, and is my personal analysis.

I do not know Dr. Willie Soon, I do know that he is a real informal guy, a dogged researcher, and a good scientist. I also know he prefers to be called Willie by his colleagues... as I stated above, his analysis in this particular article is compelling, and in keeping with his style and ability. There is some new data in it, but for the most part it is a new treatment and analysis of existing data applied to the solar/cosmic ray interrelationship as they effect Earth. However, his work here though seminal is not conclusive, and requires ongoing peer review corroboration and analysis...

Science, in order to reach a conclusion, is a long and laborious process before it becomes scientific fact... the disregard for this truth is why so much pseudoscience, and pure speculative crap masked as science, has been allowed to creep in and muddy our public policy, as well as other arenas, being touted as fact. I am dead set against this stuff being factualized on whim as is often the case when it is popularized via the media. When in truth, in many cases it is merely conjecture, hypothesis, and/or theory called fact and used to justify a preconceived notion or idea... that is not science!

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Re: IT'S THE SUN, silly...!
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2009, 12:02:08 PM »
If you noticed the minimum in this cycle, was abrupt, and about a year later than "usual". The sun was unusually violent through mid-2007... then in August of that year it went completely spotless. It remained so until May of this year. The NASA solar research team predicted in 2002 that cycle 23 was exhibiting the same characteristics as cycle 20. Solar astronomers suggested that Cycle 23 is much like Cycle 20 in the way it rose. Cycle 20 took about four years to reach peak and about seven years to descend to minimum. If the two are alike, that could mean that Cycle 23 would reach bottom abruptly in 2007 (which it did), The peak of Cycle 24 then may begin as quickly, peaking as early as 2011.

There is no reason to suspect the beginning of another Maunder minimum... which is what signaled the dip into the Little Ice Age, when the sun went virtually spotless from 1645 to 1715. After just two years of sunspot inactivity, I think it's a bit premature to begin predicting another event of that magnitude.  The minimum minimum, referrers to the relatively long cool period that occurs every other 11 years cycle which may be the case now and not so cool in 2017-18... This has been observed for almost 300 years as borne out in the data. Hence the reason it is called the 11/22 year cycle. Though it has demonstrated in the past, that it can short cycle or long cycle plus or minus 3 years or so even within a "long cycle event" like the Maunder minimum yet much less pronounced. My estimation is that this next cycle will be very similar to cycle 19 and may not peak until mid-2013... but that is just my prediction based upon the past record of fluctuations, and is my personal analysis.

I do not know Dr. Willie Soon, I do know that he is a real informal guy, a dogged researcher, and a good scientist. I also know he prefers to be called Willie by his colleagues... as I stated above, his analysis in this particular article is compelling, and in keeping with his style and ability. There is some new data in it, but for the most part it is a new treatment and analysis of existing data applied to the solar/cosmic ray interrelationship as they effect Earth. However, his work here is seminal thus not conclusive and requires peer review and independent corroboration...

Science, in order to reach a conclusion, is a long and laborious process before it becomes scientific fact... the disregard for this truth is why so much pseudoscience, and pure speculative crap masked as science, has been allowed to creep in and muddy our public policy, as well as other arenas, being touted as fact. I am dead set against this stuff being factualized on whim as is often the case when it is popularized via the media. When in truth, in many cases it is merely conjecture, hypothesis, and/or theory called fact and used to justify a preconceived notion or idea... that is not science!

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This thread is entitled "IT'S THE SUN, silly...!", but the basis for that assertion here is that it's the variance in the sun's irradiance that causes Earth's climate changes. That is not only bad science but not really science at all, in fact its a bad theory that has been proved wrong (in isolation). The variance in the sun's brightness is not enough to account for the changes on Earth.

However, the correlation is real and observable, so the scientific method indicates that there might be a common cause (of both the irradiance variance and Earth's climate change), a force magnifier of some sort, or indirect effects leading to a hitherto unknown mechanism.

Increased solar magnetic activity is associated with increased irradiance (although sunspots are darker - see the linked paper for an explanation of this). This increased magnetic activity and solar wind is associated with reduced high energy cosmic particles reaching Earth, which in turn is (independently) associated with increased temperatures on Earth.

So these scientific observations and supporting data add much needed robustness to the assertion of the title of this thread which is otherwise lacking in substantiation.

Dr Soon wrote that paper back in 2000 so it cannot be associated with any current media distortion, real or imagined. I also have no idea where you get any "catastrophic" or "apocalyptic" predictions from his work. He also points out that the cosmic ray association is a work in progress, but this work has been followed up more recently by Svensmark and others and substantially corroborated.

The sad fact is that if all the funding had not been concentrated in trying to make the totally bust AGW theory work, we would know much more about this mechanism and how it operates in specific detail, but Goldman Sach's cap and trade and associated derivatives model would not work with solar wind output and cosmic rays...unless..they "discovered" how human activity somehow blocked cosmic rays so we could all be allocated a "Cosmic Ray Absorbtion Point" or a "C.R.A.P" and...well it's no more ridiculous than the CO2 debacle..