TRANSCRIPT: NH State Reps Dan Itse and Paul Ingbretson 2/13/09

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AJ: We’re joined by Representative Dan Itse, who is one of the sponsors…in fact, his name was listed as first on the bill, so I guess he must’ve been the one that introduced it and wrote it. The state of New Hampshire. And it is House Concurrent Resolution 6. And it’s the strongest and the best we’ve seen saying, “they have the right to revolt under their article 10 in New Hampshire, live free or die” they will pull out of the union if this basically continues and happens. That’s the way I read the last page. If gun confiscation happens. If martial law happens. If they try to have youth brigades, which is all been announced. So Representative Itse, thank you so much for coming on with us.

DI: Well, I’m very proud to…I wanna make sure that I’m perfectly clear about one thing. The objective of this resolution is not secession. The happiest resolution of this resolution would be a vitalized union within the confines of the constitution. That said, if the general government choose to (egress) in a manner that nullifies the constitution, it is impossible to secede from something that doesn’t exist. And the preceding language, which does talk about, essentially, nullification of the constitution is not my language. Those are Thomas Jefferson’s words.

AJ: Well I understand. When the government becomes destructive of the aims of the bill of rights, constitution, declaration of independence, it is null and void. It is not just a right; it is a duty to break it up.

DI: Absolutely.

AJ: …and reform it. So please, sir, what made you write this legislation? What made you put Thomas Jefferson’s words in there? I thought I recognized them. And now this is really igniting a bush fire across the country. Because we are seeing not just a federal takeover. Time magazine, in an article entitled The New World Order last week said, “A foreign global bank will control the US government and everything we do in the United States.” So we’re trying to head off an offshore banking takeover of the United States.

DI: Absolutely, and many other things. What inspired me? Well, this isn’t something new on my agenda. I submitted a resolution calling for repeal of the odious portions of the Patriot Act in, I think, 2003. I submitted a resolution last year, which was last term, declaring that anything like the North American Union would be unconstitutional. Bu then, this summer, when I was studying for my role as James Madison in the National Heritage Center for Constitutional Studies skit, that we do every year, I came across the Kentucky resolution. And they are just such a perfect, perfect statement of all the principles involved. I knew that I had to take them and incorporate them into a resolution. And then give that resolution some objective.

AJ: Are you talking about the Kentucky resolution from ’96 against the UN takeover of national parks?

DI: No, I’m talking about the Kentucky resolution of 1798…

AJ: Yes. OK.

DI: …against the Alien and Sedition Acts, which were the 18th century versions of the Patriot Act.

AJ: Yes. OK.

DI: OK. So this goes right back to the foundations of our government. Jefferson wrote it and submitted it to Kentucky. He had James Madison submit it to Virginia, which Madison wouldn’t have done if he didn’t endorse the principals enumerated. So, you’ve got the gentleman who drafted the Declaration of Independence and the gentleman who drafter the Constitution for the United States of America and it’s first 10 amendments. These are their principals. These are how they saw the relationship between the states and the general government. The general government is not (basically) the final judge of the constitution. The states are, representing the people.

AJ: Sir…and that’s because of a central government could be taken over by outside or corrupt forces within. And so the states are…

DI: Well it’s because the states are the parties to the compact. And to allow the general government to be the exclusive or final judge of it’s delegated powers and those it might delegate to itself, is to make its discretion and not the constitution the measure of its power.

AJ: Representative Itse, let’s go through the illegal activities, the unconstitutional activities of the federal government that is exploding right now and then what your piece of legislation, HJR-6, is stating, and the ultimatum that the state is laying out here.

DI: OK. I don’t have it open before me. So you probably do and can correct me if I misstate. But the first one deals with the (naming) of martial law or state of emergency in any, not just ours, any of the states because that certainly violates the guarantee of a republican form of government. You’d have to have the consent of that state’s legislature to do so, especially in the will of the people. The second one is involuntary servitude other than a draft or in time of war. And in fact, there are good constitutional arguments against a draft because it would deprive the states of their militia. But involuntary servitude other than as a consequence of due process of law and an alternative to incarceration. Any involuntary servitude of someone under the age of 18. Any further infringements on freedom of the press, speech, religion, or any infringement on religion, any expansion of prohibitions on the types of firearms or quantity or types of ammunition that might be owned, a.k.a. HR-45. All of these things violate the fundamental maxims that are enumerated in our constitution, either both in the bill of rights and in the main body itself.

AJ: And they are treason, are they not? This is treason.

DI: Absolutely, and if you’re in a divorce or you’re in America (this) is rocking and cruising for a divorce, you don’t just show up one day or it’s not right to just show up one day and hand divorce papers. You’re obligated to go that other person and say, “Look, we’ve got problems. We need to go to counseling. If you do this again, if you hit me again, this is over.” So, this is that notice. It is the line in the sand saying, “No. We’ve tolerated the intolerable for some time now. But you know what? We’re not going to tolerate it any more. And if you do it again, you will have crossed the line.” If you’re dealing with a bully, you don’t draw the line behind the bully, you draw the line between yourself and the bully. So, that’s what this is. This is the line in the sand.

AJ: Representative, stay there. I want you to repeat that when we come back ‘cause we’re going into break, finish up with your comments. And I’ve had other State Reps on. I wanna see if you’re aware, I’m sure you are, you sound very informed, about PDD51 and other things. Because they’re definitely making their move.

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AJ: By the way, we started about a month ago really hammering this issue of the states, and more if them declaring independence. Coast to Coast AM had me on a few days ago. Glenn Beck monitors that show and this show. He’s going to have Representative Itse on his show tonight. He’s leaving in about 30 minutes to go be on that show. So vital what you get out on this show, sir, with all the FOX news folks that don’t know what’s happening. And I’m going to be on Coast to Coast 3 hours next Monday with a bunch of State Reps. So, thanks to you the listeners spreading the word, this is now becoming a major national story. And, we don’t have a hope. The federal government is taking over right now. FEMA camps, FEMA camp legislation, mass arrests, mass inoculation news, youth brigades. Representative Dan Itse, please continue with what you were saying about…and you filed this before Obama was even in office. That’s key.

DI: Right. I filed it last September. I crafted it last July and August. So, to me, this is not a new idea. This is vital for our times. It didn’t matter to me whether it was Barak Obama or John McCain that would be elected. I saw the same handwriting on the wall. So now it is time for the states to assert themselves. There’s no way that we are going to take back the general government in one giant gulp. If we have any hope at all, it’s to take it back one bite at a time, 50 small bites. And it’s important that the people know that the selection of their Representatives at the state level is far more important than their selection at the federal level. Because their State Representatives and Executives are far more dangerous to them. We can reach far deeper into their pockets and their household. But we are also their only defense against the general government, against the overreaches of the federal government. And we have to now make this line in the sand and say, “No, you cannot violate the constitution. If you do, you have no authority here.” And, for instance, if some of these things become law…and I should clarify that. Think of things such as HR-45 which is the Federal Gun License bill…notice I said “HR”, not “HB”. HB or House Bill refers to public law. HR refers to a resolution which is defined as a communication and constitutes private law. And so it is entered into by an agreement with the two parties. All these grants that we get. You agree to get the money. And, in return, we abide by these rules for that money.

AJ: Yeah, it’s federalizing the state laws for psychological testing, registration. They’ve got other bills to ban all semi-autos or to allow the Attorney General to ban anything at will. They’re also saying they’re gonna put gun owners on no-fly list just to ban you from buying guns. They’re coming after us. They’re not playing games.

DI: But remember, these are resolutions. So it is perfectly legitimate for any state to say, “That resolution is not valid within our state and anybody who attempts to enforce it, we will arrest and prosecute. //garbled// what you will.”

AJ: And that’s what your bill is saying. Explain how you will prosecute. Flesh that out.

DI: Well you just, if they enact a federal gun license, and they attempt to enforce it, we say, “Anybody who enforces it…is committing…or attempts to enforce it is committing a misdemeanor A,.” for instance, which includes jail time and we will prosecute them. And we create another resolution informing the federal government that we’ve done it. Let them strum that and smoke it.

AJ: Yeah. And they’re trying to bill Obama as Lincoln. He says he’s gonna keep the union together. We know the feds are concerned about the states rebelling. They know that the people are upset, 80% against the war, 99% against the North American Union in polls, 99% against the bailout in polls, 98%, depending on the poll. So PDD…

DI: Maybe he is Lincoln. What was the result of the Civil War? What happened at the end of the Civil War?

AJ: Reconstruction. Federal control. Mass slaughter.

DI: One step before that. There was forced repatriation of the southerners. People were repatriated at the point of a gun. That is the end of government by consent.

AJ: That’s right. That was breaking the back of the states. That’s why the New World Order loves him so much. My point is…14th amendment, go ahead.

DI: What does the 14th amendment do? It presumes to make us or it has been construed to make us federal citizens before we are state citizens. And it has replaced…in freeing the slaves, we have made everyone a slave.

AJ: And it turns it right into a privilege granted by the Roman civil government, going back to the Roman model.

DI: Right.

AJ: Stay there, sir. Wow, what an impressive State Representative, so informed. Well look what they’re introducing, so many great men and women. Stay there. We’re gonna have you on with the other State Rep, Ingbretson, as well when we come back from New Hampshire.

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AJ: Alright. We are back live finishing up with Representative Dan Itse, who introduced the bill in New Hampshire. He’s gonna be on Glenn Beck tonight, hopefully on Coast to Coast AM next Monday if he’ll do it. Coast to Coast has been given his number. I’ll be on there myself, riding shotgun with George Noory. And then we’ve got Representative Paul Ingbretson, who’s also a sponsor, and has been listening to the show. Glad to have him on board. Gonna go to him in just a moment. Finishing up the point you were making before the break, PDD-51, signed by Bush, last year said that in any emergency the Congress has no authority, the Executive rules all. In the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, it states that they’re preparing to engage the states, the American people. And now the Army War College has announced, and it’s a Defense Department statement four months old, it’s been all over the news, 20,000 combat troops. And it says, “The Governors will serve at the pleasure of the President.” The state guards are being brought into the federal government and that if the President so chooses, the Governor will serve as a dual-hatted federal officer. This is blasphemy to the 10th amendment. This is exactly what they did with Lincoln, after the Civil War, during reconstruction, putting in puppet Governors. It’s what the British did that caused 1775 and 6. So I’ve set the table with that, sir. Can you, in your own words…A: Are you aware of all those nightmares? And B: If not, I hope you research it fast before you go onto Glenn Beck because it’s real. Knowing that, what does that say?

DI: No. Though it doesn’t surprise me. I guess one of the greatest travesties we, in the states, we ever made was the change the title of our chief executive from President to Governor in 1792 because that would’ve made the duality more apparent. Unfortunately, at that time, we foolishly put our trust in the federal government. And it’s surprising that we did because we were actually very (temeritous) about ratifying the constitution. We were the ninth one to do so and it almost didn’t pass in New Hampshire. The area that I represent was anti-federalist.
AJ: Well let me…since you’re just so informed on the other issues, more informed that I am sure in many. Let me just give you Presidential Decision Directive 51, John Warner Defense Act of 2007 passed concurrently each year in the defense budget and then, I’m sure you’ve heard about the 20,000 combat troops.

DI: Alex, I’m aware of that one. But the idea that anybody could declare that the Executive is superior to the Legislature is patently unconstitutional. There’s a reason why there’s so much devoted to the Legislature in Article 1, a lesser amount to the Executive in Article 2, and a scant amount into the Judiciary in Article 3. It’s because the Legislature is the supreme branch of government.

AJ: That’s right. First they lied to us in the last hundred years and said they were coequal. But I’ve read the anti-federalist and federalist papers. The legislature, because it comprises the greatest number of separated powers, derived from the people, and is the hardest to take over with a tyranny, it is supreme. But instead…

DI: Absolutely.

AJ: PDD-51 says, “You ain’t nothing. It’s the President.”

DI: Well then that’s a lie. You don’t have to adhere or recognize or reverence a lie. The judicial decision that has given the Judiciary supremacy is actually a New Hampshire judicial decision from 1819. And everybody has been bowing to it ever since. But if you analyze the decision, the decision itself is a lie, is a misrepresentation of the fact.

AJ: Representative, is the federal government completely, morally bankrupt now and illegitimate?

DI: I don’t know that I would go that far. Is the federal government itself fundamentally illegitimate? No. Are many of its acts illegitimate? Yes. You have to separate the two. It’s like separating the sin from the sinner. There is a constitution to which we agreed that establishes a general government for purposes of external affairs and mediation between the states. That’s its purpose.

AJ: But Representative, that is the meat of the issue. By signing Bretton Woods II and international agreements to cede final authority over major commerce and banking to an offshore bank that will control the United States and to have NORTHCOM taking over the states. That is fully breaking the compact. And a new form of government, tyrannus, is being perfected.

DI: And we didn’t stand up to it at the time. That is the importance of something like HCR-6 coming from each of the states notifying them that further acts of this type are intolerable and constitute a nullification of the Constitution. You don’t just hit somebody out of the blue. That’s why there was an autographed petition in the Declaration of Independence. And when the war for independence started, it was not something that the colonists wanted. If you look at New Hampshire’s first constitution in January of 1776, prior to the Declaration if Independence, it was established because the Governor quit the state. He left. Got in a little rowboat and went out to sea. Got on a big boat and went back over to England. And we said, “My God, we don’t have a government.” And so we established one. But the introductory paragraphs say, “This is a temporary Constitution until we can be reunited with Great Britain.” There was no desire…

AJ: No, I understand. Nobody wants war. But you know what Patrick Henry said. “You can hear the clash of arms in the north. Why stand we here idle?” I agree to avert physical confrontation; we need to get the word out though that great tyranny is upon us. I wanna be fair to the next State Representative. Stay there though sir, and comment on what he as to say.

DI: Absolutely. We’re compatriots. We’re buddies.

AJ: OK. Let’s bring up Representative Ingbretson. Paul Ingbretson joins us from New Hampshire as well. He’s a cosignatory to this bill that’s been put together by Congressman Itse. You’ve been hearing what we’ve been discussing, sir. Your comments about what’s going on.

PI: Well first off, Alex, I wanted to thank you for what you’re trying to do nationwide. I saw you many years ago when you first started up and I wanna congratulate you over the education that you’ve given yourself over the course of these years.

AJ: Thank you.

PI: I thought, “Boy, you need to learn a few things.” And I’m extremely impressed with where you’ve gotten. And you are doing a tremendous service to the cause of freedom. I really honor you. Thank you very much for having me on.

AJ: Well thank you, Paul. We all learn. I think the biggest thing is I was silly and ignorant but I had guts and guts was enough. And you guys aren’t silly and ignorant and you’ve got guts, so it’s great. Tell us what’s happening here. This is history.

PI: Well, I can just give you my view and the reason I signed on. I think with you that we’re way past the point of tolerating. We’re actually abetting now as states. This stuff has gone on so long. I’m looking at the line in the Declaration of Independence. “A history of repeated injuries and usurpations” all obviously by this point having in direct (object) the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. And what was the conclusion of that statement? It’s the Declaration of Independence. We have no choice, in my opinion, at this point to start looking toward dissolving this government. And since they’re starting to see this and they know this is happening and since they know it will happen when they begin to bring the tyrannical tendency…laws and that sort of thing. They’ll try to preempt it. So bills like this are critical. Dan is correct. You have to…the last thing any of us want to see is blood even though Jefferson believed it was the only way we’d ever keep our freedoms knowing people like this. But he’s doing the right thing. We’re trying to figure out a way to get the states back to conversation with each other and then to get us all looking simultaneously at the federal government and saying, “What is this monster we’ve created? And what shall we do about it?”

AJ: Absolutely. And my central point here is studying the federal government and what the military was preparing, what the Pentagon was saying for decades. They have always known that the main legitimate threat to them was the states. And they have been trying to quietly federalize, federally take over the counties and the cities, and as you said, it’s very, very dark. It’s past midnight. The tyranny is here. And if enough of a buzz is created and the people stand up and say, “No” through their states, we may be able to avert this and back it off. When we look at Madoff, founder of the NASDAQ, stealing 50 to 100 billion and not even getting in trouble, when we look at the very bankers that have stolen trillions now running the White House. Bush had them running the White House. They come in with Obama. It’s clearly a completely bankrupt illegitimate group of criminals that have hijacked the federal government. So how do we get them out of there and then get our republic back? Your comments on that, Representative.

PI: Ah, yes, well, this is it. This first part is this correspondence that is being recommended in this resolution. The states have to begin to openly have dialogue with each other and analyze the problem. We have to do this systematically and we have to do it now. It’s way past time. We have the authority. The first thing that happened to us that really started this problem was the loss of the representation by the states in the federal government. The states now no longer have representation. We have representatives elected by popular, but not by the state’s bodies themselves. There’s no corporate representation. That’s why actions like this don’t seem to make sense to a lot of people in the state houses. But the first part is to get back into a conversation with the states talking to the states.

AJ: Well, you see, through federalism, they’re creating regional governments in the states that bypass state authority. And the states seem to think it’s free federal money when it was state money to begin with. Let me get a comment from the author of the bill, Representative Dan Itse.

DI: It’s time to stop bribing me with my own money. This is like parents who created a child known as the general government, and left discipline for so long that it has become an incorrigible child. And it’s time for the parents to take the child to the wood shed.

PI: //laughs// That’s terrific.

AJ: It’s true. We created this and now foreign bankers hijacked it and are telling us we’re slaves?

PI: Yes. I sat on the education committee and of course have communications with my own school superintendents and that sort of thing. And the federal government has no role whatsoever in education. Period. There’s no role. They can’t tax for it. They can’t pass laws about it. But instead what they do is they raise these monies and they get us tied to it. And then they come out with a bigger one, a bigger bite. No Child Left Behind is the actual official takeover of public education in the schools by the federal government. The whole package is absolutely outrageous and (it has to do) with their own money and, believe it or not, your local people believe that if we don’t have the federal money, we’re gonna somehow go broke as if they didn’t get the stuff from us and as if they were not siphoning it off into their own pockets all the way along the way and we’re only getting a tiny portion of it back anyway. It’s a madness. It’s almost just beyond belief.

AJ: Well look at what they’ve done. Now they have, by federal law, if the states take the money, the Army is in all the schools. They’re threatening the children to arrest them if they don’t sign up for the military saying, “It’s the law.” That’s on record everywhere. They are…I mean it is serious. Go ahead.

DI: Hello?

AJ: Yes. Go ahead.

DI: I thought someone was trying to reach me but apparently not.

AJ: I understand you guys are in your offices and busy. Gentlemen, you’ve got the floor, both of you. Have a dialogue about where this is going. People say, “Oh, we’re not gonna have the states pass this. Oh, it doesn’t matter.” We’ll just roll over and die then because the nation’s been seized by offshore banks. If the fires of liberty are lit, and, in these times of adversity, they are, we have a good chance of having a counterrevolution and taking our country back and restoring it against these globalists who are the real revolutionaries, the real hijackers.

DI: That’s an interesting point. In one of my papers, I write about the New World Order. The New World Order is what was created in 1776 for the new world. What we’re gravitating back toward now is the old world order, European-style aristocracy. And it’s time for us to hitch up our britches and as Pastor Garrett Lear, patriot pastor, says, “Somebody’s stolen my country and I want her back.”

PI: I wanna further comment. By the way, this bill came into committee yesterday. I don’t know if you knew about this, Alex. But the Federal and State Relations Committee in New Hampshire’s state house. And we’d had a count going on, we’d heard about the democrats talking to each other and basically had almost uniformly agreed to go along with this bill. With one exception that we knew of, the republicans all were planning to vote for this bill. And an odd thing happened on the way to the forum I guess you could say. When the bill came up, it just turned out that the speaker, who’s a democrat, was standing at the door of that committee as they voted. And the vote went the other way. We wound up with 11-7 against passage of this bill. I suggest to you that you’re already on top of it and that is that certain powers that be and certain establishment players are part of the problem. And they’re all over the place.

DI: The interesting thing is when that…in preparation for that vote, somebody makes the motion of Inexpedient to Legislate which was the Vice Chair…and then there’s discussion of the bill. There was not one stern argument, I don’t believe any argument in favor of the motion of Inexpedient to Legislate. There were four arguments against it. And then the vote was taken. And without any rational support for the motion, it passed.

PI: And that’s what it’s coming to. We’ve seen this in the last couple of years. We’ve been a republican house for a long time. In the last 2 years we’re finding that we can stand up and argue the merits, argue the logic, argue everything. There’s basically silence on the other side and then the vote just goes socialist, I guess you could say. It just goes sideways.

AJ: Yeah, they’ve spent decades setting this up.

PI: Oh, yeah.

AJ: And they’re now going for broke. And we’re going to be reorganized. The big international banks did this in the Soviet Union, they did it in Germany, they did it in China. It’s all now declassified. And they’re doing it here. And, folks, I’m not playing games. We’ve shown you the documents, had the guests on. They plan to really gut this country and do some bad things. So many people, men, are going to…if this goes bad, if we’re unable to stop this, they’re gonna wish to God they’ve joined us. People who serve the evil, I think, are just so cynical and lazy and they’re only into their own personal little baubles that they don’t understand that this is historic. This isn’t just corruption as usual.

PI: Alex, as support for that, we’ve been called by a number of shows including some people who do radio shows…military individuals who do radio shows. There are people who are in all places in government and other places that do understand what’s going on.

AJ: Let’s talk about that when we get back, gentlemen. If you can stay with me 5 more minutes after the break. We also wanna give out your websites and contact information for people who wanna join you or get the bill and try to get it passed in their state. The fight is ours if we’ll take it up in our hands. Our destiny lies before us.

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AJ: We have two great Representatives on who I think have put together the best of all the states I’ve read. It’s over 20 now. Were gonna continue nest week with more State Representatives as we beat this drum to rise the people up from every hill and mountain, from every church top, from the lowlands to the seacoast telling the people that 1776 is upon us yet again. In closing with Representative Dan Itse and Representative Paul Ingbretson, gentlemen, how do we help you get this done in New Hampshire? Contact the media? Make them cover it? Looks like it’s already starting to happen. How do we get other states to do this? As you said earlier, Representative Ingbretson, we need to educate the states, the city councils, the counties. Really, it’s education here, isn’t it?

DI: The first thing is that everybody who’s listening in New Hampshire needs to assail the government. They need to call their Representatives. They need to call the leadership, both parties, in the legislature. And let them know that they are demanding the defense of their liberty from the federal government. And there’s going to be a rally at the State House the day that the vote is taken. Presumably right now, that’s March 4th.

AJ: OK. We need to get other rallies going around the country. Don’t wait for orders from headquarters, listeners. Start the movement now. Call the State Reps who’ve introduced it in your state. Tell them you want to set a rally and help them. Buy radio ads. Do whatever you’ve gotta do. Going to Representative Ingbertson, sir, should people call you guys? Should they contact you? How can we help?

PI: Well, I’d recommend they do that. But I think the more important thing is to call the Reps. There are 400. (Raise) all the addresses, you can mail to them simultaneously. If you go to nh dot gov, it’s not hard to find that stuff. I tell you this for one reason and one reason only. I don’t want people to be overwhelmed out there with this. But, what we’re getting in media here, and Dan can tell you more specifically, he had contact yesterday with the Concord Monitor, I believe it was. Dan, you’ll have to correct me on this if I’m wrong, and they simply said, “What in the heck are you buying into this kind of crap for when we have real problems?” And I’m telling you, folks. That’s the media you’re talking about right now. You can’t get any leverage with stuff like this because we have real problems. //laughs// My point to Dan was if this isn’t a real problem, folks, I think I’m gonna quit government. I don’t even belong here. This is the most real and most serious problem we’ve got facing us…

AJ: Well that’s the point.

PI: …and that’s the way the media’s handling it around here. Anything they can do to become the media. These people out there with their phones and their e-mails and all that stuff, anything they can do to become the media would be a huge //crosstalk//

AJ: I was about to say that’s the plan. The feds are bankrupting things by design. We have their own documents to then make everybody get on the government tit here. This is to sell us on an expanded way. Go ahead.

DI: I’d like to read you something from Federalist Paper 46 written by James Madison. “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession…”

AJ: Alright. We are out of time. I wanna have you both up again next week ‘cause I know you have more to say. So, to both of you Represenatives, Paul Ingbretson, and to Dan Itse, thank you so much.

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