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Rights and Powers are two separate and distinctly different things.
Our rights are to go about freely, unencumbered by the powers that we grant to the state.
Does the state have the right to property, or to move about freely unencumbered by the will of the people?
No, it must adhere strictly to those few powers which we grant it.
All POWER resides in the people is correct, but what does it have to do with granting few powers to the state, or the states having rights?
The SC has given rights to the government in the form of 'compelling interest' or the ability to interpret the law, which is an action of an unbridled enterprise. It has given the state a right to act indifferently to the guidelines set out in Fundamental Law.
Do the states have the right to interpret, or must they move solely on the powers granted to them by the people?
Does the state have the obligation to protect the rights of the people?
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Rights and Powers are two separate and distinctly different things.
Our rights are to go about freely, unencumbered by the powers that we grant to the state.
Does the state have the right to property, or to move about freely unencumbered by the will of the people?
No, it must adhere strictly to those few powers which we grant it.
All POWER resides in the people is correct, but what does it have to do with granting few powers to the state, or the states having rights?
The SC has given rights to the government in the form of 'compelling interest' or the ability to interpret the law, which is an action of an unbridled enterprise. It has given the state a right to act indifferently to the guidelines set out in Fundamental Law.
Do the states have the right to interpret, or must they move solely on the powers granted to them by the people?
Does the state have the obligation to protect the rights of the people?
The States derive powers directly from the rightful people. The federal government is merely the agent of the states who's powers are clearly enumerated, however as the 10th amendment spells out, all other powers derived from the rightful people are reserved to the states or remain with people. Twist it however you want to, the federal government is way out of line and completely out of bounds regards its lawful power... like Madison said: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce..."~James Madison,
The Federalist Papers, No.45 --Oldyoti "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of
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Just heard the rebroadcast. Excellent, excellent work JT. Thank you.
Alex mentioned Texas being the latest to move on the state sovereignty issue, but I can't find any info on the web--no news stories.
Does anyone have any knowledge of this or a link to a story?
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You all are THE "real deal"... together, we have assembled a formidable NWO fighting machine. like I said to Alex, together, each of us exercising our research and technical talent... we are 16,000 members, all well informed souls... we cannot be defeated in the infowar... and our numbers are growing exponentially.
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« Reply #90 on: February 16, 2009, 08:19:52 PM » |
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The Scribbler posted the transcripts! Thank you!!! Alex Jones show - February 16, 2009: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=86846.msg500986#new |
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You all are THE "real deal"... together, we have assembled a formidable NWO fighting machine. like I said to Alex, together, each of us exercising our research and technical talent... we are 16,000 members, all well informed souls... we cannot be defeated in the infowar... and our numbers are growing exponentially.
Thank you all!
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I haven't twisted anything. Rather I'm trying to point you to the battlefield. If you can't find it, how do you engage the enemy? For instance, AJ had Red Beckman, and Vincent Bugliosi on the same show. Beckman subscribes to the original intent that the people posses all the power, and may act accordingly, which includes prosecuting miscreant elected officials. Bugliosi subscribes to the purely fabricated notion that only a prosecutor can perform that function. An example of the state taking rights, and converting it to a power that it can never posses. The majority of the patriot movement spreads false paradigm with no teeth, that is doomed to fail. Things are getting worse by the day, not better, no matter what spin you want to put on it. What needs to be done is to find an enemy weakness, and exploit it. One suggestion would be to find and support any community that has a majority that can continually kick out sheriff's, judges, prosecutors, or the dog catcher if they refuse to abide by their oath of office. If you can find such communities, you lend your support to it and concentrate your wedge their to get the word out as to what is going on. We are all over the place attempting to perform miracles with little support in the vast area that is being covered. |
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If I may add my opinion to this thread, you are obviously a very articulate speaker. Thank you for your work along this line.
First, the states do not have any rights. The states, like the federal government, has powers delegated to it by the people. The state is a fiction created by the people, and therefore the state can have no rights.
Second, the ninth amendment clearly shows this as it refers to the people and makes no reference to the state as does the 10th.
Third, the states have one overriding power. That power is to protect the rights of the people. That is the defining issue here as the states have declined to protect the rights of the people.
Resolutions aside, that being the attempted enactment of said resolutions, which may be vetoed by the governor are inconsequential. As the assembly is the author of law as the direct representatives of the people they may take action on their own.
The first and most important is that they hold the purse strings. Without that, the government will cease to operate. Stop the funding of all courts, and any other agency that cannot site constitutional tenor for their existence. In addition, it may fund the Organized Militia, and when it is either rejected by the senate, or vetoed by the governor, the house can declare its representation of the people, and the unlawful acts of the senate and governor. They will get press in this manner.
The bolded portion above in your post above is a federally foisted fallacy, and purposeful misconstruction of these amendments... Witness the clear rights of the states and the People: The law is quite clear...
[Article 9 of the Bill of Rights]
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
[Article 10 of the Bill of Rights]
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." I don't believe that it gets much more concise than that. As a result your analysis, which followed, is flawed and therefore untrue. JTCoyoté "The common curse of mankind - folly and ignorance."
~ William ShakespeareI'm a foreigner and I believe he's right. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."[Article 9 of the Bill of Rights]
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."Doesn't power to the State give them rights? If your given power you have a right to do things so long as it's the will of the people & the constitution. I'm probably not connecting the dots well but I've learnt that each of the 50 States is a sovereign state that forms the Union. At any time they can succeed and become a sovereign country. So being a sovereign state you have power therefore rights. If you abuse those powers then the people have a duty to replace you. This stuff needs heavy research and I've done little if any  |
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I Must say JTs performance today as a guest was rather impressive...well done!
JT is no rookie on the airwaves. Everyone should go to his website and listen to some of his radio archives selections. Good job, Yoti! Not only did you present and spread great info, but you offered a positive message about getting involved. We need to get more Americans to realize that there is a game being played and they are losing by forfeit. |
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JT is no rookie on the airwaves.
Everyone should go to his website and listen to some of his radio archives selections.
Good job, Yoti!
Not only did you present and spread great info, but you offered a positive message about getting involved.
We need to get more Americans to realize that there is a game being played and they are losing by forfeit.
That's curious that you would find those. The Talking Old Gun's radio show started because of the gun grabbers sanctioning reloading components coming from a fellow in Britain who handmade brass cases and other components that were used by reenactors of famous armies and battles from the 19th century. Jim Goodwin is a friend, and her Majesty's goons arrested him for shipping some of these components to a group who reenact Gordon's Relief, and have for years and were featured in the movie Khartoum starring Charlton Heston. When this happened, I called an old friend of mine, from the 10th amendment days, who had one of the radios show on KNUS in Denver that helped spread the 10th amendment resolution, who fled the patriot demonization like a lot of us did after Oklahoma City. He bought a small radio station in upstate New York in the little town of Cobleskill, radio station WXBH. I wanted to raise the awareness in the old guns community, as well as among re-enactors, many you see on the history Channel regularly, about the plight of James Goodwin and the threat being posed by the gun grabbers against those who possessed and used ancient firearms. Needless to say, being my first foray into hosting talk radio, the first few shows show warts and foibles in bold relief, but by show number seven things began to take shape, the program was aired live every Saturday afternoon locally there in upstate New York as well as streamed worldwide over the Internet, as I simulcast via cellphone from "the Sedalia Colorado What Cheer shooting range, on the shores of beautiful Plum Creek in the shadow of Sleeping Indian Mountain." And we had a chat forum as well, thanks to a late Mark Biting with his Gun and Knife forums, it was again a volunteer effort and unsponsored. We were on the air for a year and a half, there are 64 programs. I only have 18 or 19 of the early ones on a website. I involved my wife and daughter quite a bit, and it was always just loads of fun. Yet it became quite political after 9/11... but primarily, the focus was on reclaiming firearms history and restoring and shooting historical firearms. JTCoyoté "Do not separate text from historical background.
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I like the one where you fired the gun you made in shop class. #18...I believe.
I think you should call in more often.
Was glad to hear you mention the Fax Network that predated the internet.
We may have to go back to that soon.
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I like the one where you fired the gun you made in shop class. #18...I believe.
I think you should call in more often.
Was glad to hear you mention the Fax Network that predated the internet.
We may have to go back to that soon.
Alex should have you on to discuss the history of the patriot/information movement.
That was a fun show. "Radio Show #18 - October 20, 2001: "My 40-Year-Old High School Shop Project Still Shoots" -- Try to get away with that in school, *THESE* days! Built during the 1964-65 school year as a shop project, patterned after an 1836 Remington Percussion Rifle, I built the "Squirrel Gun". And today we shot it at the Sedalia "What Cheer" Shootin' Range. When I get back up to the shop after the smoke clears, I talk some more old guns, the meaning of "Domestic Violence", and "9/11". This was just a month after 9/11 so things were still not clear as to what was going on but the suspicion was there... because of the legislation that was being pushed... I take the "old shop project" out and shoot it once or twice a year... I have a picture of it somewhere and I will post it here when I find it, so you can gander at it... Found it...  The .45 cal. - 1 turn in 12.5 inches, fast twist rifle - pieces and parts high school shop project - and the 480 grain bullet it fires.
This ain't no round ball rifle. The Fax/phone/radio network was quite impressive, yet there were ways of subverting it as we discovered early on... you see the bad guys used there own network as well... JTCoyoté "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be
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You're welcome guys. I have also added the other interviews that Alex had last week with the state representatives to the playlist. If I missed any, let me know and I will add them to the list. The list can be found in this thread: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=87028.0 |
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Yes... the 34 states mentioned are the states that are declaring 10th Amendment sovereignty... This article is to blur the two into one and must be stopped... we are reaffirming the Constitutional union... not seceding. This bill was introduced in 2000 but was never heard and then tabled... This thing is trash if for no other reason than because it mentions only the 1787 Constitution without mentioning the reason why 3 states would not vote to ratify the 1787 Constitution, without further enumeration of the people's rights and State powers added... 4 years and much debate later the Constitution and BILL OF RIGHTS was ratified by the states in convention on December 15th 1791... Without The Bill of Rights, the Constitution would have never been Ratified... They are part and parcel... This bill referred to here, is trash and needs to be debunked... And now it begins again... just as it did in the mid-90s, when the 10th amendment state sovereignty resolution was introduced back then. The secessionist movements are shill movements. They are financed by the globalists to demonize the states rights movements. To blur the line, to make anything referring to the 10th amendment be seen as secession... I have been here before, this "war on you" website needs to be bombarded with negative comments from the "Liberty Truth Patriot" movement, regarding this attempt to take attention away from Arizona's joining the 10th amendment struggle to preserve the Constitution and Bill of Rights... the honorable, lawful, and righteous purpose that is the 10th amendment state sovereignty movement... By posting this long dead secessionist TRASH. It serves no purpose otther than to ensnare the unwitting. Remember secession involves dissolution of the the state from the Constitution and the other states... The 10th amendment state sovereignty resolution reaffirms the Constitution and Bill of Rights, maintaining the Union of the states, and in so doing has the power to force the federal government back into its constitutionally prescribed boundaries. Bottom line... this bill is Bull-Sh!t! JTCoyoté "No nation could preserve its freedom
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After the lessons I've gotten from you (and AJs other guests) the last few days I was able to be discerning enough to reach pretty much the same conclusion with just a quick reading.
You stated that, "They are financed by the globalists to demonize the states rights movement." That's big news! But I would not be surprised to hear that you have evidence of the NWO being involved in derailing the movement.
The bill states that it was introduced by "Representatives Johnson, Cooley".
Do you know anything about these reps? Do you think they were backed by or were stooges for the DC / NWO crowd? Do you think the current secessionist movement is also bogus mis-direction?
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After the lessons I've gotten from you (and AJs other guests) the last few days I was able to be discerning enough to reach pretty much the same conclusion with just a quick reading.
You stated that, "They are financed by the globalists to demonize the states rights movement." That's big news! But I would not be surprised to hear that you have evidence of the NWO being involved in derailing the movement.
The bill states that it was introduced by "Representatives Johnson, Cooley".
Do you know anything about these reps? Do you think they were backed by or were stooges for the DC / NWO crowd? Do you think the current secessionist movement is also bogus mis-direction?
I don't know of these two representatives specifically, but during my time in the Colorado State House, I learned quickly who the ones were who were merely punching a ticket on the way to higher federal office, or the highest state office on their way to a run as a presidential candidate... ambition is very hard to disguise. The very word secession should be evidence enough to understand the destructive nature of this particular political agenda. As I describe above, at the very best, you would end up with 50 independent states without political mutuality of intent or purpose. At the worst, the ones that secede from the Union become the object of disdain of the ones who remain and we end up with the same thing that the globalists achieved in 1860, a tried and true division with a resulting civil war that conquers... It is my experience, during the heat of the fray of the 10th amendment resolution move back in the mid-90s, the secessionist movements were turned loose by the opposition in order to poison the well of the lawful constitutional 9th and 10th amendment state sovereignty reassertion efforts. In my experience, yes, secessionists weather wittingly or unwittingly are in the service of the globalists. Just like back then, we now are also fighting to stop the death plunge into a constitutional convention. In the '80s it was the ERA, Equal Rights Amendment. In the '90s it was cleverly disguised as the Conference of States, a crafty way of hiding the intent, by getting all of the states together to discuss federal mandates and constitutional issues, and then allow it to conveniently morph into a constitutional convention. Liberty indeed requires constant vigilance, and I am confident that this coming generation will learn the constitutional rope's and carry the torch of liberty as us oldies fade into the history of the ongoing war between liberty and tyranny. JTCoyoté "The advancement and diffusion of knowledge
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The secessionist movements are shill movements. They are financed by the globalists to demonize the states rights movements. To blur the line, to make anything referring to the 10th amendment be seen as secession...
Thanks for the clarification. The other day you said something that got me thinking about how it applies to the first bailout: "Even in contract law if you break a contract by whatever means for whatever purpose you loose all protection under the contract..." The first bailout was passed against the will of the people it was suppose to represent. In this first bill, they incorporated conditions that there was not to be any accounting for how the money was spent. Conditons set forth in a contract are only binding if they are legal. And for a contract to be binding, there must be consideration. If consideration can not be established, wouldn't that be reason to disregard stipulations of no accountability? In other words, how can taxpayers be held responsible for a bill where there is no proof of consideration? |
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« Reply #113 on: February 19, 2009, 10:20:31 PM » |
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You got it Elvis... don't break the contract!!!
Secession, BAD..!
10th Amendment Constitutional reaffirmation, GOOD!!!!!
I have found a bunch of state information for you guys to look at posted in the 10th Amendment Resolve thread stickied above... with some bill numbers and all with the names of their sponsors... YEE-HAW...
See if your state is one of those that has already adopted it. Call your state house, talk to the bill room archivist with this info and you will know for sure tomorrow, then post it, get photo copies from them if you can...
JTCoyoté
"To suppose that any form of government will secure
liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people,
is a chimerical idea."
~James Madison
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donnay
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« Reply #115 on: February 20, 2009, 10:17:44 AM » |
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I have invited a lot of Free Staters to this forum. Many of them want succession and I understand what J.T. has said-- it is wrong, I am just hoping he can get them to understand as well.
Can guest see these posts?
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"Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." ~ Rod Serling
"Cops today are nothing but an armed tax collector" ~ Frank Serpico
"To be normal, to drink Coca-Cola and eat Kentucky Fried Chicken is to be in a conspiracy against yourself."
"People that don't want to make waves sit in stagnant waters."
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JTCoyoté
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« Reply #116 on: February 20, 2009, 11:07:03 AM » |
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All of the boards that have the 10th amendment Sovereignty resolution material on them are public and readable by guests. There are only one or two boards that they cannot read.
One thing that they need to know, is that secession is a breaking of THE contract with the rest of the states. It is not a breaking of a contract with the federal government, because there is no contract with the federal government. I will say that again, the Constitution is not a contract with the federal government! The federal government was created by THE contract between the states. If one state breaks that contract, it loses all protections under THE contract. At that point the ROGUE federal agent can do what ever it wants with the breakaway state.
Secession is the tool of the globalist bastards to divide the states like bites taken out of a pie. If any state secedes from the Union, they have opened a Pandora's box of death and destruction for themselves at the hands of the United States INC... Yes, the United States INC! Let me say here that the United States, the 50 United States are NOT the federal United States INC, nor do we have any true constitutional tie with this entity beyond the ones covertly injected by the post civil war Amendments, which begin the lawless grab for power by this rogue off shore organization.
The contract between the 50 states, the Constitution will have been broken by that one state... and that one state loses, by law, all rights and protections it would normally be able to call on from the other states leaving that one state at the mercy of the bloated, power-hungry, army controlling, economics sanctioning, rogue federal power that the Constitutional State Sovereignty Movement has the power to stop. The Secessionist Crowd are calling up the same failed idea that created the corporate US to begin with.
If the states together, independently use the law, as provided by the founding fathers of this country, the way it is supposed to be used, exercising together against the rogue power, lawfully under the 9th and 10th amendments to the Constitution for the United States of America, which includes the Bill of Rights which is part and parcel of THE Constitution. We can defeat, deflate, and defuse the federal beast, and and wrangle it back into its lawful Constitutional role and re-institute lawful federal representation.
Secession was the tool that was used to consolidate "their" power in the 1860s, which put us on the road to this final confrontation... United around our mutual 1791 contract, we the People through our States WILL stand, but if we divide by secession we will fall... and become a footnote in history.
--Oldyoti
"Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is
duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person,
his faculties, or his possessions."
~James Madison
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donnay
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« Reply #117 on: February 20, 2009, 11:22:17 AM » |
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Thanks again, J.T.. I just put this in the Free State Project forum to those who suggested succession. One who happens to be and editor for the Keene Free Press newspaper. I did credit you and I posted this thread.  http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=16808.15 |
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"Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." ~ Rod Serling
"Cops today are nothing but an armed tax collector" ~ Frank Serpico
"To be normal, to drink Coca-Cola and eat Kentucky Fried Chicken is to be in a conspiracy against yourself."
"People that don't want to make waves sit in stagnant waters."
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Anti Federalist
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« Reply #118 on: February 20, 2009, 04:11:12 PM » |
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Hey J.T.,
Donnay's husband here, great interview on AJ's show, and I've just re-read through this thread, great points, but...
I understand your points re: secession, however, is that not the inevitable end anyway?
Do you honestly think that the fedgov and it's globalist jockeys are going to just throw up their hands and say, "by all means, you are so right, we are in violation of the 10th Amendment, please, arrest us and depose us from power"?
Perhaps "secession" is the wrong word, maybe "crack up" is more what I am anticipating, much like what happened to the USSR in 1990.
My point to you, and the one I just made to donnay, is the fedgov does not follow any other part of the constitution. Why would they be bound by the 10th, any more than they have been bound by any of the other parts of the bill of rights?
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