How To Destroy The 9/11 Truth Movement

[chris geo]

I don't typically post amateur videos as "information" but this guy really hit the nail on the head! Great info here.

How To Destroy The 9/11 Truth Movement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzgEDB9I0LM

[Anti_Illuminati]

I don't typically post amateur videos as "information" but this guy really hit the nail on the head! Great info here.

How To Destroy The 9/11 Truth Movement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzgEDB9I0LM

Pretty solid vid.

[Mber]

I recommend people check this out.

[Matt Hatter]

Yeah good stuff. Bump.

Micro Nukes has been touted by Dr. Bill Deagle. This man IMO is full of disinformation tied with real information, but the more I listen to him, the more I realise he is full of it.

[Freeski]

Good advice to stick with just what you already know, and can prove, and ignore the grey stuff. There's plenty enough basics alone to warrant another investigation (speed of collapse and WTC7 just to name two)

[GoingEtheric]

yep, that's what's up. bump.

[Revolt426]

Funny i just made a comment about how we are self destructing.. I'll post it here too because this thread is more relevant to my post:

I was going to make a post tonight addressing the fact that people on this board are undermining our whole movement by attacking each others beliefs , instead of saying "I Respectfully Disagree" and focusing on the importent issues.....

Such as...Just as *1* Example:  Ron Paul Economic Policy say...

Alot of people hear Ron Paul and his policy sounds great! But Alot of people do not bother to research what would happen if his policy was enacted right now because he is an extremist (YES believe it or not, The Austrian school is an extremist free market school). That doesn't mean he is BAD.. It means his philosophy is partially flawed...... There are other dimensions to Monetary policy that people do not bother to read about because they hear something that sounds great on TV, or youtube..

Ron Paul is a GREAT guy. That doesn't mean he is 100% right. In actuallity, no one is 100% Right, and it would be very helpful for people to explain their points of view without being attacked because of disagreements in fundamental ideoligies.

There are MANY facets to monetary policy. Ron Paul essentially would end Commericial Banks (Yes that is what the Austrian school teaches). I Disagree with that , I think in our modern age, we NEED commercial banks. And, by studying history i have found that every time we have returned to a policy like this, it has resulted in massive Depressions. People see Andrew Jackson as a hero if they are Ron Paul supporters, but they neglect to understand that when Andrew Jackson anulled the National Bank charter (The Real US Hamiltonian National Bank) he caused a HORRIBLE Depression.

So what have i learned? We do not need a Hamiltonian bank, as shown by Lincolns ECONOMIC POLICY (I do not want to hear about his "Illegal war", save it) Because Lincoln essentially used a Federalist Hamiltonian Economic Policy and grew the Economy during a Civil War, WITHOUT the National BANK!....Though i think the national bank would be helpful (This is not a Private Central Bank) because it prevents the Treasury Secretery from Colluding with the Private Sector.

How did he do this? He had a team of Competent economists in his Cabinet that knew what they were doing and he used Federal Credit (Re-Issuing the Greenback as an investment into infrastructure) to invest in the Trans Continental Railway and Agriculture, All this while our country was essentially Bankrupt. There is no denying that he infact Grew the economy, by spending or, rather INVESTING directly into infrastructure, as opposed to Printing money and loaning it to a bank, so the bank can go ahead and loan it to someone else.....

When you spend money INTO an economy directly, the money has VALUE. Many people misunderstand the point of a Gold Standard.... The point of a Gold Standard (which is needed) is protection, not value. Gold is 100% useless without an economy, hence the Gold is merely a Limitation on the amount of currency that can be printed, a limitation that restricts the overprinting of money and allows us to print money AS our economy expands.

What gives a currency value is the actual economy, not the financial system, not the gold. So when you spend money directly into an economy , this money already has value instrinsicly attached to it because it was directly invested into something of value to the country, and someone WORKED to  have that money put into circulation.

People can disagree, that is fine! just do not attack each other for it. No one is 100% right, nor am i.... GeoLiberterian has an excellent grasp of the Monetary system, and our views are quite similar but differ in some ways...... i do not say he is wrong, he does not say i am wrong. We say "We will agree to disagree on that subject" and that is it. And the ideas are expressed. So keep in mind that attacking people is undermining the WHOLE PURPOSE of our forum here, and be nice

[Revolt426]

So , As for the above post - Lets dis-regard actual economic policy for just a minute and focus on what HAS to be done to save the world regardless of what policy we follow. Which is, Wiping ALL Derivatives OUT...

The only way to do this, under our constitution is to put our entire Financial System into Federal Bankruptcy Protection / Receivership. Once we do this, Regulators come in and make two piles of debt. One pile, the DERIVATIVES, is FROZEN, then analyzed and used to prosecute criminals for treason. The other pile of debt, we continue to pay off and we allow the basic and needed functions of the banks to continue to function. It is essentially cutting the heads off of a 7 Headed Hydra. You kick the CEO's out of decision making, via constitutional Banktuptcy, and you keep these banks running without the Derivative MESS that has destroyed our system.

We should all agree that the first step is to put this insane system into banktupcy because Derivatives are the MAIN focal point of this crisis. A 1.5 Quadrillion dollar Bubble of FAKE funny money!.... More money than exists in the entire world, that the speculators want US to pay for... So we should just agree on this one first step. Bankruptcy of the whole system to ban derivatives and investigate fraud! then we can go to the next step, but if this is not done, nothing will be accomplished.

[Neco]

Good video.  I would recommend it.

[Atomgrad]

I was going to make a post tonight addressing the fact that people on this board are undermining our whole movement by attacking each others beliefs , instead of saying "I Respectfully Disagree" and focusing on the importent issues.....

Well said Revolt

[Revolt426]

Well said Revolt

Thx my goal is to unite the opposing sides of Monetary ideas to force the GOV to put the system into banktupcy... because without that , everything else is pointless. We must wipe out this 1.5 Quadrillion dollar mess of fake money or what do we have?... Nothing....

Now there are people on the MSM talking about nationalizing the banks, BAD move.. That means the Government is now responsible for those Derivatives! Banktuptcy is the first step - either way! so lets get the first step done...

And for all Ron Paul supporters, take alook at the other side too! Ron Paul VS Lyndon LaRouche and Webster Tarpley are essentially the opposite ideals of a SOUND system. LaRouche is brilliant when it comes to Economics, so take a look - if you disagree that is fine. He posts articles and does webcasts often on www.larouchepac.com . His Jan 16th Webcast explains the Crisis in the first 15 minutes if you are not patient (these webcasts are 2-3 hours long)

[barndoor77]

The evidence for something more than Thermate/Thermite is pretty strong, although undoubtedly it was employed nevertheless.

The difficulty with Thermate/ Thermite alone is how do you rig that much material into the building without the public discovering the fact that your putting it in?  It just doesn't add up.

The argument that C4 was built right into the concrete at its construction doesn't make sense either.  Why? Because anyone who has pulled the blueprints of the size of the support columns below the 600 ft mark will quickly realize their massive size. Now look at what Ramsey Yousef and his 1500kg Urea Nitrate truck did in the subfloors of Tower 1 in 1993 (Wikipedia Article).  The photo will show a massive 30m crater but the support columns are still intact.  In fact the cement is peeled right off of the support columns but they didn't even budge.  C4 would of left large amounts of the building intact.  Secondly C4 would only have cut the pillars if they had utilized directional cutting charges, which is pretty difficult achievement.  In a nutshell this building was HARD to bring down.

Now consider the massive rubble pile sitting at over 1500f for weeks.

So when you go back and look at a MicroNuke postulate, those against its usage would cry that there was no expansive radiation found at the site.  This would spawn the MRR argument (Minimum  Residual Radiation device), and pretty quickly lead into a grey area.

However the US military DOES have directional boring nuclear warheads (GBU-39), and there have been some references to Sandina National Laboratories referencing they could develop a MRR device as far back as 1978.

Nonetheless if the Micronuke camp can somehow manage to win the argument it won't help the movement anyways.  Why? Because you have to remain palatable to the public enough, and this is too 'out there' for them to digest.  The fellow is right stick with the provable facts.

Nevertheless the 911 truth movement needs to realize it must become far more than just a 911 truth movement.  There are hundreds and thousands of different abuses and frauds upon the unwitting public daily.  Insurance scams, abusive cops, fraudulent court systems - the list is endless.  Really 911 was simply the catalyst for us to realize and become something much larger a giant truth movement, even as I hate to use the term 'Global' truth movement.  And it is something that must be formed.  However it seems that the only time that people do things about anything is when the cost of doing nothing exceeds the cost of doing something.  Even if we are of the 'informed' are we really any better than the public when we don't do anything?

We need to get organized.

[GoingEtheric]

So when you go back and look at a MicroNuke postulate, those against its usage would cry that there was no expansive radiation found at the site.

you use an anti-cointel thread, to push cointel.
weak.

[Scootle]

its a common misconception that gravity couldn't have pulverised the concrete... it couldnt have pulverise ALL the concrete but once the collapse gets going and u have like 40+ floors travelling downwards at like 30+ m/s the kinetic energy will be so huge (i mean literally were talking more than 100x what the planes had) that the concrete in the lower floors will be pulverised quite easily. So really the explosives would only have been needed to pulverise the concrete in the upper floors in order to actually get it to that speed.

So while there couldnt possibly have been enough C4 in the buildings to cause all the observed pulverisation it doesnt mean there were micronukes.

[GoingEtheric]

So while there couldnt possibly have been enough C4 in the buildings to cause all the observed pulverisation it doesnt mean there were micronukes.

yes there could. work happening on vacant floors at all hours, so many vacant floors, numerous powerdowns and security blackouts in the weeks prior... they had plenty of time. And no shortage of explosives. Its clear thermite was used too, but the access was there.

[Revolt426]

its a common misconception that gravity couldn't have pulverised the concrete... it couldnt have pulverise ALL the concrete but once the collapse gets going and u have like 40+ floors travelling downwards at like 30+ m/s the kinetic energy will be so huge (i mean literally were talking more than 100x what the planes had) that the concrete in the lower floors will be pulverised quite easily. So really the explosives would only have been needed to pulverise the concrete in the upper floors in order to actually get it to that speed.

So while there couldnt possibly have been enough C4 in the buildings to cause all the observed pulverisation it doesnt mean there were micronukes.

If the building collapsed naturally it would have toppled. End of discussion. The only way to get that effect is to cut each core column at the SAME TIME with thermate, while using explosive charges for the exterior columns to blow the concrete out.

[KiwiClare]

If the building collapsed naturally it would have toppled. End of discussion.

A steel-framed building would not topple naturally anyway. 


This video on 'How to Destroy the 9/11 truth movement' makes a good case for the importance of giving people a documentary or two on 9/11 truth to watch,  - one made by trustworthy sources, such as Alex Jones, Dylan Avery or from Jimmy Walters, not rubbish like 'September Clues.'

We can talk or write in message threads endlessly and seem to get no where because of how people have been pre-programmed using this "proof by stereotype" brainwashing technique.
Thanks for posting it. I am posting it elsewhere.

[Revolt426]

U are right because the buildings would not have collapsed naturally. But if they collapsed due to "Fire" or "Plane" damage..... They would have toppled!

[Scootle]

I know it would have toppled ... especially the south tower... i mean the top 30 floors of the south tower were crashing into the floors below AT AN ANGLE, therefore each floor would haver crashed into the other AT AN ANGLE and the top section would have eventually slid off and came down as one big block.

What i meant was, if theoritically u were to drop the top 15 floors of the north tower from a height of several floors it would accelerate up to the point where it has so much kinetic energy that it would quite easily pulverise the concrete ... so u wouldnt have needed to embed charges in the concrete... u would have just needed to put the charges in the steel beams to destroy all resistance in order to get it to that speed and maintain that speed and then let gravity do the rest.

Gravity is actually the only thing that could have pulverized the concrete ... it would have taken 200 tonnes of explosives to pulverize all the concrete in the way we saw... thats about the weight of the plane ... I highly doubt they used THAT MUCH explosives.

Of course, the idea that gravity alone would be able to get it to that kind of speed is rediculous.