CALIFORNIA TO CUT SOCIAL SERVICES DUE TO BUDGETARY SHORTFALLS-UNREST TO FOLLOW

[J. Croft]

When the welfare recipients can't eat, expect crime and chaos because they will have nothing left to lose.

Is martial law being engineered?  If you don't believe that then I guess kerosene did bring down the World Trade Center.

Report offers state less painful options for spending plan

By Jennifer Torres
Record staff writer
January 26, 2009 6:00 AM

The state Legislative Analyst's Office on Thursday released a report - in part a response to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's plan to cut spending on social services by about $3 billion - that details alternate spending proposals for programs that help poor, disabled and other needy Californians.

According to the analyst, the proposals offer more modest savings than the governor's but could be less detrimental to people - including thousands in San Joaquin County - who rely on a range of public services.

Statewide, their numbers could grow as the economy continues to falter.

California currently spends more than $10 billion a year on cash aid to the disabled and poor, on child care and other services related to the state welfare-to-work program, and on home care for low-income seniors and residents with disabilities.

» CalWORKs: The governor proposes reducing the amount of welfare assistance families receive each month and limiting the amount of child-care assistance available. The administration also would limit to five years the amount of time children can receive welfare payments if their parents don't meet work requirements. Currently, children continue receiving welfare benefits even if their parents lose them as part of a "safety-net" program. The Analyst's Office supports reduced welfare payments, suggesting that families' lost state aid would be partially offset by the federal food stamp program. But instead of halting all children's benefits after five years, the office suggests modifying the safety-net program so that parents who aren't working would be required to complete at least 20 hours of community service per week in their counties in order for their children to continue getting aid.

» Supplemental Security Income/State Supplemental Program: The state and federal programs provide monthly cash payments to low-income seniors and people with disabilities. The governor proposes reducing those payments and eliminating altogether a similar program that offers cash aid to legal immigrants. The LAO suggests smaller reductions and lower payments to couples who are above the federal poverty line. With regard to immigrants, the LAO said many refugees may be able for a federally funded program that would provide similar help.

» In-home care: The governor proposes lowering to about $8 an hour the wages of people who provide in-home care to the elderly and disabled. The LAO proposes lowering those wages to $10 per hour and to minimum wage for people who are caring for a close relative. The state now pays up to $12.10 an hour.

For the full report from the Legislative Analyst's Office, go to www.lao.ca.gov/analysis_2009/ss/ss_anl09.pdf

Contact Jennifer Torres at 209 546-8258 or jtorres@recordnet.com.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090126/A_NEWS/901260320

[Revolt426]

They cut all services to all disables people. Schwartzeneggar is a sick Social Darwinistic bastard and for all you who say "Oh that is welfare, its better this way" go to hell!. if you were blind, or disabled and couldnt work or feed yourself you would be singing a different tune!

[J. Croft]

If any of you reading this have family/friends who are going to be cut off, take them in.  Let's not have another Katrina with the old and infirm dying of thirst and starvation in the streets.

[Mber]

If any of you reading this have family/friends who are going to be cut off, take them in.  Let's not have another Katrina with the old and infirm dying of thirst and starvation in the streets.

amen. people need to step up in regards to human morality in these times..

[L2Design]

It's going to get ugly...

[oyashango]

I believe I read somewhere that the Neo-cons are grooming Schwartzeneggar for the 2012 presidency.
I think that is why they are pushing a bill before congress to amend the native born citizenship amendment clause. If true, it would make sense, after Obama falters. They will then install Schwartzeneggar, whose family pedigree in Austria and Germany don't need no instruction manual on genocide and socialists dictatorship. It's in the blood.

[fourthhorseman]

interesting that there are rumbles of unrest coming from the west coast,,talk of tax refunds not coming,of major welfare & services cuts..

also regarding rumors of chinese troops already there.if there was an uprising the chinese would have
infrastructure there to protect,

seems like a good place for the oppression to begin?

[Revolt426]

interesting that there are rumbles of unrest coming from the west coast,,talk of tax refunds not coming,of major welfare & services cuts..

also regarding rumors of chinese troops already there.if there was an uprising the chinese would have
infrastructure there to protect,

seems like a good place for the oppression to begin?

With Anrold as Governer it is entirely possible.

[Weasel]

Why does he think a good place to makes cuts is with the poor, disabled and those who are already struggling?  Oh yes, he's a NAZI and that is what NAZI do.

It will be interesting to see how compassionate Hollywood is to this mess considering they love to go overseas and do good.

[Revolt426]

Why does he think a good place to makes cuts is with the poor, disabled and those who are already struggling?  Oh yes, he's a NAZI and that is what NAZI do.

It will be interesting to see how compassionate Hollywood is to this mess considering they love to go overseas and do good.

You are right, however there are some extremist right wingers on these forums that think all welfare should be banned..... and they would change their minds if they were disabled or could not work. It's a selfish position to take saying its good when the welfare for disabled (Blind, injured, etc....) is being utterly destroyed. It is Social Darwinism at it's finest, the blind are not "superior race" so they should die.......

[oyashango]

You are right, however there are some extremist right wingers on these forums that think all welfare should be banned..... and they would change their minds if they were disabled or could not work. It's a selfish position to take saying its good when the welfare for disabled (Blind, injured, etc....) is being utterly destroyed. It is Social Darwinism at it's finest, the blind are not "superior race" so they should die.......

They might wanna re-evaluate their views concerning welfare. A system that was originally designed for WWI veterans. The rate that this economy is going we might all be on welfare.

[Devotional Soul]

Man, this is gonna be so sad for many people. 

I can't believe the part about being paid less if you are caring for a relative!  And kids getting welfare if parents do community service! 

This is insane...a straight out attack on people who need help.  I don't know how Schwartenegger can live with himself.

[Revolt426]

Man, this is gonna be so sad for many people. 

I can't believe the part about being paid less if you are caring for a relative!  And kids getting welfare if parents do community service! 

This is insane...a straight out attack on people who need help.  I don't know how Schwartenegger can live with himself.

Because he has no Consciounce. He's a Fascist Nazi. that is their religion... No soul, No care.

Stalin/Hitler - No people, No problem

[NWOSCUM]

Man, this is gonna be so sad for many people. 

I can't believe the part about being paid less if you are caring for a relative!  And kids getting welfare if parents do community service! 

This is insane...a straight out attack on people who need help.  I don't know how Schwartenegger can live with himself.

Are you kidding, he probably jerks his gerkin over all this suffering.  He loves it and thinks it's beautiful.  THAT'S how sick these f**ks are.

[Monkeypox]

Oh no, all the illegals might have to return to Mexico if they can't get their freebies in the US.

[Nailer]

Oh no, all the illegals might have to return to Mexico if they can't get their freebies in the US.

no no they are minorities so they will be able to get american tax dollars ( blood and sweat)  before Natural born US citizens..

[JonTheSavage]

I'm surprised nobody has noticed the prediction here.

"Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful!" - henry kissenger

[oyashango]

no no they are minorities so they will be able to get american tax dollars ( blood and sweat)  before Natural born US citizens..

I am not sure that it is the Mexican, Eastern Europeans, East Africans etc., nor any other group who should be the blame. It is the big corporate businesses who are allowing them to enter for their cheap labor. On the U.S. Immigration website it is big business who are pushing to extend or do away with completely work visas and other road blocks which impede immigrants from entering this country. It is big business who are also soliciting them for consumer and other services. Notice how nearly all major stores have everything written in both Spanish and English. The historical trend has always been to blame the immigrant poor. However, they can do no more than the government allows. It is to them that we must direct our angst.

[Monkeypox]

I am not sure that it is the Mexican, Eastern Europeans, East Africans etc., nor any other group who should be the blame. It is the big corporate businesses who are allowing them to enter for their cheap labor. On the U.S. Immigration website it is big business who are pushing to extend or do away with completely work visas and other road blocks which impede immigrants from entering this country. It is big business who are also soliciting them for consumer and other services. Notice how nearly all major stores have everything written in both Spanish and English. The historical trend has always been to blame the immigrant poor. However, they can do no more than the government allows. It is to them that we must direct our angst.

Big Business wants it, but Government ALLOWS it.

[Revolt426]

If we had a different monetary system we would be able to expand our economy to support immigrants like we did for 200 years.

[Monkeypox]

If we had a different monetary system we would be able to expand our economy to support immigrants like we did for 200 years.

We had a largely empty country and needed manual laborers to expand and build the country.  This is no longer the case.

[blackturtle.us]

Cutting social services is unlikely to lead to mass violence. The thing that would do that would be food shortages. If we start seeing food shortages, then we're in trouble. Otherwise, there will be programs to feed those that are hungry and this will prevent massive violence.

[Revolt426]

We had a largely empty country and needed manual laborers to expand and build the country.  This is no longer the case.

Scientific investments into infrastructure can easily provide the needed space for many immigrants ( I am not saying i agree with Mexicans running across the boarder) i am saying this never would have happened had the Government not adopted this insane system in 1971 under nixon and kissinger.

[Monkeypox]

Scientific investments into infrastructure can easily provide the needed space for many immigrants ( I am not saying i agree with Mexicans running across the boarder) i am saying this never would have happened had the Government not adopted this insane system in 1971 under nixon and kissinger.

Why would we want to invest in an infrastructure that would allow us to absorb more immigrants?

The US has prospered in large part due to the fact that we had low, replacement level birthrates and stable population growth.  With the massive immigration of the past 30 years (legal and illegal), chain migration, and high birthrates among immigrants, this is no longer the case.

[thadividedsky]

would food stamps and food aid programs be affected? If so, then there are going to be a whole lot more starving and cranky people. I'm shocked that so many people can keep on living life like nothing bad is happening. Things are going to keep on getting worse, there will be unrest somewhere in the country soon. Maybe Detroit? L.A.? Obama's not gonna go save California either. If he were to do that, then every state would be at his door with their hats in their hands. Or is that the whole plan? All I know is the economy will take another big hit in the comming month and it won't go unnoticed. Stock up on food, meds, guns, ammo, water and anything else you need for a bug-out bag. The financial tsunami is on the horizon and will be on top of us soon.

[Revolt426]

Why would we want to invest in an infrastructure that would allow us to absorb more immigrants?

The US has prospered in large part due to the fact that we had low, replacement level birthrates and stable population growth.  With the massive immigration of the past 30 years (legal and illegal), chain migration, and high birthrates among immigrants, this is no longer the case.

My quote was, if the GOV had not adopted the 1971 Policy of breaking the Bretton Woods system this problem would not be here. Mexico would not be such a poor nation. We would have a strong economy, this country was founded by immigrants and i am not against immigration AT ALL, Unless it is Criminals running across the boarder with no papers and stealing peoples ID's.

[grooveline]

I can't believe the part about being paid less if you are caring for a relative!  And kids getting welfare if parents do community service! 

I've had a friend who's mom was on welfare with him... then had 2 more kids on welfare... she's never held down a job or anything resembling a job... and she couldn't even keep up the house. I think thats a great idea... while your kids are in school you can pick up trash to get your chits/stamps.

that being said; as a local californian I can vouch by saying everyone is walking around in a slumber about this situation. And when it is brought up, they acknowledge it and then move on...

It will get worse as we move on through 2009. I keep reading that March or June is when the poop starts flingin in the US.

BTW... last week I saw a train heading northbound from the central cali valley and what did I see it carrying? and unmarked tan colored abrams tank.

[oyashango]

I've had a friend who's mom was on welfare with him... then had 2 more kids on welfare... she's never held down a job or anything resembling a job... and she couldn't even keep up the house. I think thats a great idea... while your kids are in school you can pick up trash to get your chits/stamps.

that being said; as a local California I can vouch by saying everyone is walking around in a slumber about this situation. And when it is brought up, they acknowledge it and then move on...

It will get worse as we move on through 2009. I keep reading that March or June is when the poop starts flingin in the US.

BTW... last week I saw a train heading northbound from the central cali valley and what did I see it carrying? and unmarked tan colored abrams tank.

I was speaking with a long lost friend who lives in Encino, Calif.  She was telling me about the epidemic of asthma in the children there. She stated that when she took her grandson to the hospital for treatment that they refused her service on the grounds that he had no medical insurance anymore. To her horror,the poor child was dropped from the medicaid roles without notice. This is what is happening to many, they are being unceremoniously dumped off of both welfare and healthcare roles without prior warning.

[Devotional Soul]

I've had a friend who's mom was on welfare with him... then had 2 more kids on welfare... she's never held down a job or anything resembling a job... and she couldn't even keep up the house. I think thats a great idea... while your kids are in school you can pick up trash to get your chits/stamps.

I was thinking about the families that work all the time and still don't make enough to pay the bills and are on welfare...the ones who don't have time to do community service.  I suppose it's a good thing for people who are not working at all.

[kevlar442]

See what cutting the $10 Billion in services to illegals does for the f%$#ing budget.  Arnold is truely a meathead.  I wouldn't trust that guy to change my oil.

[bushido_aria]

In my humble opinion, LA is to be the test ground for martial law. Between the checkpoints with the Marines and the financial situation of the state, they are clearly gearing up to take on LA. The news hardly covered the cut off of funds and there are rumblings of the Govenator handing over the state to the feds (federalization of the state by the feds taking on the state debt, etc.). If that happens, then California is royally screwed. I've also heard rumors of the army being involved as well, gearing up of LA on top of the reports of the Marine checkpoints.

Regardless, it's all bad news. California, I personally believe, is the front line of the Federal take over of the states. California, in the major cities at least, is in the middle of a Love Fest of their Lord and Saviour Obama. They'll cheer at the chance to be the first state to answer directly to the new Fuhrer. If the state becomes indebted to the Feds, then it's only a matter of time before they do away with the state legislature of having much of a voice over anything. Most Californians have NO CLUE about what federalization of the state would mean, in part because the schools here are a true New World Order success story.

[Monkeypox]

When will the spelling be officially changed to "Kalifornia"?

[nustada]

I wonder if people are going to start wondering were there taxes are going?

[user111]

I must be missing something here,so someone correct me if I am wrong.
But food stamps ( EBT Card ) are funded entirely by the Feds,now we all know the Feds have long been out of money,but the food card program is still in force anyway at this time.
The only thing the individual states do is over see who gets a food card and provide the people within social services to do that,but even their paycheck is funded thru the Feds,so in fact,while Arnie has screwed up the entire Peoples Republic Of Kalifonia,food stamps is not one of the things that should be affected by his so called cuts.
The same goes for subsidized rents,as those are Federally funded as well,and over seen by the states,so similar to the Food card.Section 8 is Federally funded.
Granted,many will be left in Kali without state funded welfare money ( cash ) but the food card and subsidized home/apt rents shouldn't be affected until the Feds finally go belly up financially.
Now,the other comment I would have to Arnie is that he needs to try and live anywhere in Kali on 8.00 an hour cause it isn't gonna happen.
Now some will say,how do I know all of this.
Well,clear back when gas was well over 4.00 a gallon and over 5.00 a gallon here in Alaska,and our Govt wasn't doing a thing to help us,I stated right here on the P/P forums that we should get smart and get ours as well.
I suggested then that all of us that were eligible should apply for a food card and heat assistance to get us thru this mess.I mean,what the heck,why not,we got no help,and the big banks were getting bail outs and bonus's,and with the SHTF edging closer,why not?,if nothing else,use it to stock up and save some cash for other items needed like a generator or whatever.
I have worked all my life,and worked dam hard to support myself and everyone else and when I retired,I automatically became low income,so I applied for a food card and heat assistance and got both and I live in the bush in the middle of no where,so heat assistance to me was 6 barrells of fuel,do the math,as well as 187.00 monthly in food ( ebt card ) which I have used to stock up on non-perishables which freed up the money I would have had if I hadn't been paying such high prices for fuel for no reason at all.
I feel sad for folks that are having a hard time making it and I don't feel bad for those that should have never had a house in the first place and I am still paying for it in taxes,and I don't feel bad at all for those that don't take advantage of the opportunity to stock up and save some cash by using the people that have been using us because society trained them to be that way.
Granted,we all know or have met someone that sucks the welfare system dry that doesn't deserve it and could easily work,but most us have worked and paid into this our entire lives,and we DO DESERVE IT.

[Monkeypox]

Wouldn't Kalifornia's economy make it top ten if it was an independent nation?  How can an economy that large be in such shambles?

[user111]

Well,Monkey,I would say the biggest reason is because "The Peoples Republic Of Kalifonia" has long funded it's way out of any money it could have had by funding the illegal's of it's state with the hard working tax paying US citizen dollars for anything and everything.

[kevlar442]

Wouldn't Kalifornia's economy make it top ten if it was an independent nation?  How can an economy that large be in such shambles?

Because of a state government that chokes the economy better than the federal government.

[Weasel]

Could it be all BS in order to test reaction to whatever they have up their sleeve?

[bushido_aria]

Could it be all BS in order to test reaction to whatever they have up their sleeve?

Weasel, that is exactly my point.


(of course now that I've said it, they won't attempt it....i hope)

[Weasel]

bushido, we are in complete agreement  .  I'm pretty new to all this so my post as rather short due to not having a lot of background info.  I went back and reread what you wrote(it takes me a few times to have things sink in), thanks for your explanation.