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Author Topic: Regarding Jason Bernas's recent accusations of ISI's involvement in Mumbai  (Read 2534 times)
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« on: January 18, 2009, 02:06:47 PM »

I am responding on behalf of Jason's comments he made a couple of days ago regarding his statement of ISI's involvment in Mumbai attacks, which I am SURPRISED to see it coming FROM JASON. While it is true of what he said about ISI's history, the fact it was created by the British, and the fact that it was used in various situations to influence politics within Pakistan (such as overthrowing regimes like done with the Benazir and her father before, and General Zia Ul Haq) and outside Pakistan, there is MOUNTAINS of evidence supporting the fact that the culprits were Hindu Zionist extremists who have infiltrated vital government places including the RAW (Research Analysis Wing), the Indian intelligence service. The only reason I have had respect for Bernas is because of the PROVEN FACTS and QUESTIONS that he brought forward in his movie Loose Change. Statements like these COMPLETELY make me lose respect of this guy. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE the ISI was involved in Mumbai attacks, but rather it was being framed to look like it was. Also, proven has been the role of Mossad in this event.

Mr. Bernas, if you are reading, I truly suggest you go over the evidence collected, ESPECIALLY with the EYE WITNESS REPORTS:

Dance of the Devil (a book in .pdf format of ALL THE EVIDENCE collecting including the Mumbai police's and Mossad's involvement):

http://www.brasstacks.pk/pdf/BrassTacks_014_Dance_of_the_devil.pdf

Arrest Provides More Evidence India, Israel, and the U.S. Behind Mumbai Attacks

http://www.prisonplanet.com/arrest-provides-more-evidence-india-israel-and-the-us-behind-mumbai-attacks.html

Mumbai Anomolies:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9761

More Mumbai Anomolies:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9764

The only reason I listen to Alex Jones show and access his site, is to GET THE FACTS, either they are anti-Pakistani or Pro-Pakistani. Even though I'm a Pakistani myself, I favor THE TRUTH more than my country, culture and EVEN MY OWN SELF. Because, I know, for better or for worse, what you don't know can hurt you; and I would rather assess a situation DEVOID of culture, religion, or Patriotism (which Julius Ceaser I believe has said to be a two-edged sword).

Apart from that, I do have another question for Mr. Bernas, if he will so kindly answer (or anyone else). In his Loose Change (ALL OF THEM including Final Cut), he states how the head of the ISI was meeting top brass officials and wired $100,000. Now maybe I missed some things, but the only "evidence" provided of him wiring the money was a NEWS ARTICLE. I believe TRUE EVIDENCE is documents such as wire transfer reciepts, bank statements, taped AUDIO or VIDEO confessions (such as those done in a sting operation). We all know how much truth mainstream media outlets primarily in the US, give; especially with all the cocktail of half-truths or twisted and manipulated versions of the truths. This in no way is to state that I am blindly and/or patriotically supporting ISI. I am simply stating that besides and news article, I did not see anything else. He may, or may NOT have done this (until further evidence is brought forward). Now, as to why that US senator (whose name I've forgotten), wanted the information later "classified" of the meeting between the ISI, I believe I have an answer to that.

Besides aiding in regime changes favorable the US, it has been a source of INFORMATION and LOGISTICAL SUPPORT in that region, primarily during the time against the Soviets, but even before. As we all know the US millitary was on STANDBY shortly prior to 9/11 to invade Afghanistan. And since the ISI is their source of information, such as terrain, how much ammunition needed, culture and virtues, the strength and weaknesses of the future "enemy", etc. etc., AS WELL AS LOGISTICS, he was called there.

Another main question that I have is this. The US government gives away BILLIONS of dollars for defence, black operations, among other things such as rewards for tips to the "most wanted" captures, so $100,000 would be chum change in comparison and they could give to the proposed hijackers who they were also training and financing ANYWAYS with ABSOLUTELY no problems at all. Why would they ask a Third World country (much less and federal organization from that country), which itself relies HEAVILY in foreign aid for financing, for the wire transfer?

In either case, if the bank statements and wire transfer reciepts were obtained and covered by Loose Change and I failed to see that, then I apologize. But IF NOT, then there is still no hard evidence that Mahmoud Abbas did indeed provide financing. However, I do believe he knew of the attacks weeks before they would take place as he was to provide, in my opinion, logistical advice and information, or the proposed invasion of Afghanistan. It's just like saying the Bin Laden family was here meeting with top officials prior to 9/11 and when the event came to pass, they were given priority permission to get out of the country while the rest of the flights were grounded. Were they ALL or SOME of the involved in the attacks? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. Unless hard evidence is produced to support that they have (like I mentioned, bank statements, reciepts, audio or video confessions, etc. etc.).

I TRULY think, Mr. Bernas should get his facts straight PARTICULARLY on the staged events of MUMBAI.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 03:09:08 PM »

Agreed. Jason needs to do some research.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2009, 03:44:33 PM »



Obfuscation, distraction, all part of the plan and no matter what we think of him
AJ is not immune to infiltration and co-opting.

There is an old saying:
"Money makes the monkey dance"

The show gets more commercial, we start having guys like Icke and Tsarion, we
start getting the young new host that talks about sex and Metallica and the ISI
did it...

I've watched and listened to AJ since he was doing cable access, what we see
here is a most unfortunate "evolution", but one that naturally comes with the
expanding territory of celebrity.

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 04:11:56 PM »


Obfuscation, distraction, all part of the plan and no matter what we think of him
AJ is not immune to infiltration and co-opting.

There is an old saying:
"Money makes the monkey dance"

The show gets more commercial, we start having guys like Icke and Tsarion, we
start getting the young new host that talks about sex and Metallica and the ISI
did it...

I've watched and listened to AJ since he was doing cable access, what we see
here is a most unfortunate "evolution", but one that naturally comes with the
expanding territory of celebrity.
Ah well, I'm listening now and the Alex I hear now sounds like the old Alex I know.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2009, 04:18:59 PM »

Ah well, I'm listening now and the Alex I hear now sounds like the old Alex I know.

I do not fault AJ, it's natural to evolve in his circumstance of expanding celebrity.

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 04:29:00 PM »


Obfuscation, distraction, all part of the plan and no matter what we think of him
AJ is not immune to infiltration and co-opting.

There is an old saying:
"Money makes the monkey dance"

The show gets more commercial, we start having guys like Icke and Tsarion, we
start getting the young new host that talks about sex and Metallica and the ISI
did it...

I've watched and listened to AJ since he was doing cable access, what we see
here is a most unfortunate "evolution", but one that naturally comes with the
expanding territory of celebrity.



I don't think Bernas is a government agent, much less a "sabateur". There's still no evidence to propose that. His movie has LOTS OF cold hard evidence of 9/11 being an inside job, but also CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence of things which he claims is "HARD" evidence. Mr. Bernas is simply misinformed. He just has to get his facts straight here and there.

At the same time, I don't mind him talking about "sex" and "Metallica" since I like both of them Grin It's always good to SOMETIMES, not all, to have a little side talk in the radio show with all the depressing times we may be entering.

When it comes to Icke and Tsarion, they provide HARD EVIDENCE such as EYE WITNESS REPORTS, historical references that are REMARKABLY SIMILAR to present events, and if they are "theories", he would state that. With Icke that includes the UFO's (some of the evidence I have covered in the UFO section of this forum).
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 04:34:41 PM »

I don't think Bernas is a government agent, much less a "sabateur". There's still no evidence to propose that. His movie has LOTS OF cold hard evidence of 9/11 being an inside job, but also CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence of things which he claims is "HARD" evidence. Mr. Bernas is simply misinformed. He just has to get his facts straight here and there.

At the same time, I don't mind him talking about "sex" and "Metallica" since I like both of them Grin It's always good to SOMETIMES, not all, to have a little side talk in the radio show with all the depressing times we may be entering.

When it comes to Icke and Tsarion, they provide HARD EVIDENCE such as EYE WITNESS REPORTS, historical references that are REMARKABLY SIMILAR to present events, and if they are "theories", he would state that. With Icke that includes the UFO's (some of the evidence I have covered in the UFO section of this forum).

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I don't mind him talking about "sex" and "Metallica" since I like both of them

You are well programmed citizen, proceed to camp Bravo 964 for your indoctrination.

You believe exactly what you want, friend.

This is our inalienable right. Cheesy

I was around long before Icke and Tsarion found an audience, this is all old
hat and these guys are just showmen performing like organ grinder's monkeys
as long as the coins jingle in the cup.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 05:45:11 PM »

proceed to camp Bravo 964 for your indoctrination.



Will I be "indoctrinated" with loads of sex with millitary women, and "Enter the Sandman" by "Metallica" turned loud as a form of "torture".....  Wink? OH MY GOD, that would be so "WICKED" Tongue!!
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 05:54:59 PM »


I was around long before Icke and Tsarion found an audience, this is all old
hat and these guys are just showmen performing like organ grinder's monkeys
as long as the coins jingle in the cup.



And friend, you have to understand, TIME IS MONEY. When you want to "mass awaken" the public, it takes time and MUCH OF YOUR LIVELIHOOD, such as what is happening with Alex. At the same time, if you look at CNN, and FOX, they don't run a "charity" outlet either. In order to live in "civilization" you need a coin or "paper" with value in order to buy goods. Money is not a "devil's" creation, IT IS A TOOL that was created 1000's of years ago ORIGINALLY to push products to replace the bartering system. Icke and Tsarion are not "Gods". So stop "demonizing" their fact of making money. This is not the case. I would look at WHAT THEY ARE SELLING, and look through evidence CAREFULLY. Maybe there were people before them, saying the same thing. THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. WHAT MATTERS IS THE TRUTH. If anything these two say (or "sell") can be "disproven", by all means STATE IT.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2009, 07:43:34 PM »

I was just checking this PP forum post:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php/topic,79496.msg447596.html#msg447596

Regarding Dawood Ibrahim having MI-6/ISI connections and his drug operations, that STILL does not answer the PRIMARY question, HOW EXACTLY WAS HE INVOVLED? All it says is that he is a source of revenue for various extremist groups in the South East Asian region including Hindu and Muslim groups.

Perhaps, he was to be a "patsy" to lay blame on Pakistan as a pretext for invasion and paid huge sums of cash for doing so, ESPECIALLY with his former ISI links.

However, if he was really involved in logistical operations for the attack, what are the details of his exact role?
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