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Author Topic: Senaca Indian Nation: Threatens tolls on NYS Thruway  (Read 5337 times)
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« on: January 14, 2009, 07:45:26 PM »

Under recent thearts from NYS Gov. Patterson to collect taxes on cigarettes sold on their reservation, Seneca Nation President, Barry Snyder Sr. said: 'a system for the nation to collect tolls on the NYS Thruway' [interstate 90], is being designed.

His plan includes collecting $2 per car on the 300 acres of Seneca Land inside the Reservation. [this part of RT.90 goes through the resevation]
Mr. Snyder is allocating $1 million for 'emergency response personal' to protect his people from a state sponsored attack.

Last month Patterson directed the state to begin collecting taxes as of Feb. 2009. [all illegal of course Angry]

Gov. Pataki made the same mistake in 1997, and tyred to impose this tax on the Seneca Nation.
The Senecas closed down the Thruway with "BURNING TIRES" as a road block. [ they are protesting now, and will they set the thruway ablaze one again, as in 1997?]. (i have no photo's but i am sure they are on the net)

A spokewoman for Patterson said: 'the Gov. looks forward to working with the tribal nation [degrading term]...to forge a FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT TO GOVERMENT RELATIONSHIP." [sounds like NWO double speak to me! Roll Eyes]

THIS IS NOT WHAT THE SENECAS WANT NOR NEED! And They Will At Least Fight For Their Land and Freedom from Government....
...now that is ACTIVISM! Cool

(info gleamed from JSPECTOR@Gannett.com)
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2009, 07:55:02 PM »

Seneca Nation targets NY Thruway in tax dispute
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gupvJwryE3RHk3cz4kKjQYHKEDKQD95MNS100
By CAROLYN THOMPSON – 21 hours ago

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — The Seneca Indian Nation is preparing to collect tolls on sections of the New York State Thruway that run through reservation land to protest the state's plans to tax cigarettes destined for their discount smokeshops.

The tribal council also has authorized Seneca President Barry Snyder Sr. to spend $1 million to hire "emergency response personnel" to protect the Seneca people against potential action by the state and to ask incoming President Barack Obama for federal troops if necessary.

Snyder outlined the plans Tuesday in response to Gov. David Paterson's Dec. 15 signing of a law that would disrupt the Senecas' $313 million retail sector by enforcing tax collections on cigarette wholesalers who supply reservation businesses.

The law, set to take effect next month to help the state close a budget deficit, would likely raise the cost to Indian retailers and force them to charge prices more in line with non-Indian competitors.

"Our concern as nation leaders justifies taking any and all prudent actions to protect and defend the nation's economy and the way of life of the Seneca people," Snyder said.

Those actions include charging $2 for every vehicle that drives the Thruway, Snyder said, with the system for collecting the tolls to be determined.

In April 2007, the 7,300-member tribe rescinded a 1954 agreement that allowed construction of the Thruway along 300 acres of Seneca territory in the Cattaraugus Reservation. The tribal council said the pact, which paid the Senecas $75,000, had not received the proper federal approvals.

Since then, the Senecas have unsuccessfully been billing the state $1 per vehicle passing through its land on the Thruway. The tribe is doubling the fee in the wake of the newly passed law.

"The state and the Thruway Authority are trespassing on our lands and have not paid us for the right to do so," Snyder said. "The council and I believe that the state should not be allowed to continue to operate an illegal business — the New York State Thruway — upon nation lands at the same time that it seeks to destroy a significant component of the nation's economy."

The Senecas have taken aim at the Thruway before, including setting tire fires that shut down a 30-mile stretch in 1997 and led to clashes with state police.

Snyder said the peaceful nation is not looking for a fight now but must act to protect itself and a retail sector that employs 1,000 people.

A spokeswoman for Paterson, who took office last spring, said the governor wants to forge relationships with all of New York's Indian tribes.

"The tax collection issue is one of several issues that the governor would like to address as he moves forward to negotiate with all of the Indian nations in good faith," a statement by spokeswoman Marissa Shorenstein said.

While supporters believe collecting taxes from the Indian nations in New York could generate hundreds of millions of dollars, Paterson said the experiences of other states show the figure would probably be slightly more than $62 million a year. The state excise tax is $2.75 per pack.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 08:07:32 PM »

Thank you Route 24 Cool...for the full article, as i only summarized with comments.
Did you find any photo's from the 1997 closing of the thruway/ from the burning tires? [i lived it, as i live in ny. and i am not good at posting photos...sorry Huh]
I do believe the Indians have a right to their land...and they do have the GUTS to stop the run away Gov.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2009, 08:15:46 PM »


This reminds me of the "crisis" at OKA a few years back. In Canada, if you are aboriginal and live on a reserve, you don't pay taxes on goods or services. I think a carton of smokes is still around 10 dollars at Akwesasne that sits on the border of Ontario and NY state. Power to the people! The feds "gave" them the land supposedly so let them defend their right to the pursuit of happiness. But I digress; more doublespeak from TPTB.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2009, 08:22:50 PM »


This reminds me of the "crisis" at OKA a few years back. In Canada, if you are aboriginal and live on a reserve, you don't pay taxes on goods or services. I think a carton of smokes is still around 10 dollars at Akwesasne that sits on the border of Ontario and NY state. Power to the people! The feds "gave" them the land supposedly so let them defend their right to the pursuit of happiness. But I digress; more doublespeak from TPTB.
...i am with you all day long my friend Cool...this is our land...world wide...freedom is for all...not for few...
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2009, 08:36:44 PM »

...i am with you all day long my friend Cool...this is our land...world wide...freedom is for all...not for few...

Mussi cho sijah. You just made my day!
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2009, 09:07:00 PM »

LMAO I remember that! We had a camp in Cuba,ny at the time. The Nation ran bull dozers up on the road threating to plow it up.
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2009, 09:55:48 PM »

Thank you Route 24 Cool...for the full article, as i only summarized with comments.
Did you find any photo's from the 1997 closing of the thruway/ from the burning tires? [i lived it, as i live in ny. and i am not good at posting photos...sorry Huh]
I do believe the Indians have a right to their land...and they do have the GUTS to stop the run away Gov.

No I didn't run accross any pictures.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2009, 11:19:41 PM »

NYS taxes eveything to death then looks outward from its state to try and tax anything it can too.

Like in NYS they have a law on the books to tax internet sales.  Impossible to enforce, and if good come from another state in which taxation is prohibited by Federal law it doesn't phase NY law-makers in the least.  It is still on the books.  Even tho it is Federally illegal.

It's like Churchill once said... "You can no sooner tax yourselves into prosperity as you can stand in a bucket and lift yourself."

All the business schools in NYS and no has told the government.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2009, 11:36:46 PM »


After all the supposed press they received, did it really make a difference? They cover everything up.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 01:55:29 PM »

Mussi cho sijah. You just made my day!
...i am glad we are on the same page in the book of life my friend...now we can be FREE..AMEN..we can all be FREE together is we stay close to one and other...
... God bless My Friend.. Cool..you have made my day also...thank you...
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