9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2007, 03:38:21 am »
Sigh...

I have said for years...yes years ...

That the Pentagon issue is foggy for a reason, it is the lynch pin red herring to the whole 9-11 issue..

And it is the LEAST important for those on our side of the fence  to do what it is we need to do.

Think about it...

If we continue to lay a sizable portion of our case on the shoddy and at best obscure Pentagon issue.. and all they have to do is release some more frames of footage that shows the plane from another vantage point...

Poof.. There goes the entire 9-11 truth movement...

Disinfo agents NEVER have to be correct... We have to be impeccable always.

For the amount of information we have collected that is solid rock hard, irrefutable, and the truth  ... what happened at the pentagon is irrelevant.

We need to build a case that we can take to court... and if we do not trust the government already (as we certainly should not)... why would we get suckered into an obvious trap?


Guys.. Please... Lets do this right.

Time is not on our side.

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 06:52:08 am »
I would add that the most obvious piece of evidence is that large passenger planes do not make holes 16 ft by 12 ft in walls, kind of the most startling fact there is in my view.
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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2007, 07:40:23 pm »
I would add that the most obvious piece of evidence is that large passenger planes do not make holes 16 ft by 12 ft in walls, kind of the most startling fact there is in my view.

16 foot by 12 foot going in 12 foot by 9 foot coming out.

http://pentagon.batcave.net/hole.html

Consider this about the wings not making an impact on the building.The explanation given is that they are designed to break off{yet they are able to cut through steel of the WTC}.The wings are used as fuel tanks,when they are empty they are full of air.What would happen if i threw a gallon of fuel in your face at 500 mph.Your head would come off is the answer because that fuel has a mass.If the tanks had fuel that mass alone would impact that wall and smash it down.Fluid dynamics use the same laws of conservation that were violated in the collapse of the towers.Conservation of momentum,conservation of energy and conservation of mass.Fluid with a velocity also has a pressure and a mass because a fluid cannot be compressed.Imagine diving into the sea at 500 mph,there would be nothing left of you.You hitting the water at 500mph is the exact opposite of  being still and getting hit by a fluid travelling at 500mph.

What if the wings were empty.What would happen if i shot you in the head with a ping pong ball travelling at 500 mph.Same answer because the air inside that ball is also travelling at 500 mph.To suggest that the wings simply folded in on themselves is ridiculous and defies so many laws of physics it is untrue.Those wings whether full of fuel, air or both had enough kinetic force to smash those walls down,as i have already said exactly as they had enough kinetic energy to break through the steel walls of the towers.It is the basic workings of hydraulics,fluid can not be compressed and pneumatics air which can be compressed,aerodynamics and hydrodynamics.Both have incredible force,reinforced concrete is no match.Therefore the impact hole was not caused by a 767.The deflagration happens after the initial impact.The fuel atomizes and rapidly burns just like the effect of the injectors in your car engine.The deflagration has no effect on the initial impact.

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2007, 02:01:50 pm »
good points to counter the only thing the official version has.
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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2007, 12:31:57 am »
The Pentagon attack is no honey pot people.

The work we have done proves it.

The only reason the movement got cold feet about the Pentagon is the eyewitnesses.

But the so called "eyewitnesses" are really just a bunch of static words printed by the mainstream media.

We have made it our mission to talk to anyone and everyone direct to find out what the people REALLY saw.

And guess what?

The media has been LYING to you!

Imagine that.

Please take a look at this very important 37 minute short that we recently released with groundbreaking first-hand testimony from the streets:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/121007_b_white.htm

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2007, 06:19:39 am »
good work, I will keep this for debunking trolls.
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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757: Sane Started A Good Thread :0)
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2008, 10:53:23 am »
Hi Sane, Biggs and Bob with Jim mentioned:

I was searching the archives for a thread by Jim making a case for a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashing into the Pentagon, but instead your thread appeared with the No-Plane Video in the Opening Post. Good work. My thread showing what really happened at the Pentagon is here in case anyone is interested. The reason I choose to bump your thread was to include the CNN News Report saying the very same thing with the testimony of Military Experts provided that also agree 100 percent with your OP hypothesis.

CNN News Report From 9/11

Military Expert Testimony

The Pentagon Secret

Jimmy Walter Video

I would add that the most obvious piece of evidence is that large passenger planes do not make holes 16 ft by 12 ft in walls, kind of the most startling fact there is in my view.

We also agree 100 percent. Anyone wishing to push the Official Cover Story LIE that a real 100-Ton Jetliner (with hijackers = Jim) crashed into the Pentagon can begin by explaining how their PLANE passed through this standing E-Ring Wall:





We saw want a real Jetliner can do to a building in the WTC Case:



Note that we can even see the wingtips on both sides and a massive hole spanning the distance in between. Okay, so where is the same hole at the Pentagon?



Any honest third-party reader can see that no 100-Ton Jetliner crashed into this standing E-Ring wall going any 530 miles per hour doing one of these numbers, which means the Official Cover Story is nothing more than a bogus LIE.

16 foot by 12 foot going in 12 foot by 9 foot coming out.
 

We agree. The C-Ring exit hole (pic) is only about 10-feet in diameter and even the two 6-Ton Rolls-Royce Engines never exited this standing C-Ring wall (pic = on left as we face north) in the required .39 seconds the supposed PLANE took to travel the 330 feet on a 45-degree trajectory angle (pic). 

Does anyone here have any pictures or any evidence at all for a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashing into the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day? The answer is NO, because nothing like that ever happened. My thanks to Sane for helping these readers realize ‘the’ 911Truth that a real 100-Ton Jetliner never crashed at the Pentagon. No 100-Ton Jetliner means ‘no’ hijackers and those of you pushing that nonsense need to step back and examine the substance of your claims to begin matching those to the fact that NO Jetliner ever crashed here. Thanks again and,

GL,

Terral

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2008, 11:27:44 am »
See that hole made at the wtc by a plane? It's the same whole made at the pentagon in the next pic. The first floor is gone. Some folks early in the movement were fooled into thinking there was a 16 foot or 18 foot whole or whatever you claim it is now. Some of the folks that promoted that more than any other were the makers of loose change. But as time goes on and we gather more information, we tend to learn. But you don't. You are not capable.

Some "truthers" like those that made the loose change films are really truthers who are interested in the truth, not like you who are interested in yourself.

That's why they say they were wrong about that, and a large plane flew into the Pentagon. Here is the producer himself saying it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3634801432278945026&hl=en

That's quite an impressive strike by a crappy pilot, which tends to promote the idea that these planes were remote controlled, but you don't want to promote that do you?

you'd rather call witnesses who saw it happen. "Operatives" Dod Plants.

But you are to smart for us. You know that we are all "in on it" and we had our operative M Walter already briefed and put on the scene for him to say this....
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1jqaz_pentagon-eyewitness-mike-walter_news

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757: Reply To Jim. :0)
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2008, 12:33:27 pm »
Hi Jim:

See that hole made at the wtc by a plane? It's the same whole made at the pentagon in the next pic.

Nobody here sees any holes, because Jim included no pictures in his post. :0) Jim saying ‘this hole matches that hole’ is nonsense. Show us your AA77 crashed anywhere using any picture from anywhere! Good Luck, because none exist . . . 

The first floor is gone.

The first floor is gone? :0) Where?



So, the first floor is gone! Shall we elaborate on why Jim is saying the first floor is gone? I know! :0) the reason is that there is no evidence for a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashing here. Even if the first floor was missing (and it still there), then why should anyone suspect that we are looking at a 100-Ton Jetliner crash? The PLANE is almost 50-feet tall and Jim is talking about the first floor. :0) The second floor is missing just two windows and the two to the left of those are not even broken:



How many people realized that none of the windows on the third floor were even broken during the original attacks? :0) Look at the cable spools standing in front of the first floor that are not even touched by any Jetliner crashing at 530 miles per cotton picking hour.



Look at the masonry wall behind those spools and tell me if the wall is gone. :0) I circled Column # 17 still visible through the fire and the black plastic on those cable spools are not even melted. Where did the 100-Ton Jetliner go? :0) You are looking at the aftermath of a missile strike like Rumsfeld told Parade Magazine on 9/11/2001:

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Donald Rummy Rumsfeld >> "It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."


Some folks early in the movement were fooled into thinking there was a 16 foot or 18 foot whole or whatever you claim it is now.

You must mean people like Sane who started this thread . . . and the PP members agreeing 100 percent . . . And that must include Rummy above too. :0)

I have to be somewhere in a half hour, but will address the remainder of your Official Cover Story testimony when time permits.

GL,

Terral

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2009, 11:29:52 am »
Former 9/11 Commissioner admits missile hit the Pentagon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUmr9dFbf2c

Lol.

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2009, 06:30:22 am »
the photo with the military personnel pretty much sums it up.

imagine that a fully loaded plane fuel and passengers really crashed into the Pentagon. are you standing on the lawn jerking off? you mean, a couple of fire trucks spraying the building down is sufficient? you are not worried about pulling people out of the wreckage, both from inside the Pentagon and inside the plane? the luggage evaporates? this is such bullshit.

then in a follow up photo, they are more worried about combing the lawn for evidence than setting up a triage?

this combined with Bush sitting on his ass for an additional 10 - 30 minutes after he found out our nation was under attack coupled with no plane wreckage in Shanksville. Do they really think that we are this retarded? 95% of the plane in Shanksville recovered? show me the money. Let's see that shit. 93 was shot down most likely as Rummy said in a rare moment of truth.

This reeks to high hell and the government can just sit back and watch everyone get worked up and the stumbling giant can out wait whatever complaint or whatever evidence is brought forward. This will never see a courtroom. They don't f**king care and it is mentally tearing us apart.

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2009, 08:46:39 am »
http://www.prlog.org/10322926-independent-investigation-into-pentagon-attack-yields-alarming-information.pdf

Independent Investigation Into Pentagon Attack Yields Alarming Information
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Researchers present new eyewitness testimony which they say proves the government's story to be a "monstrous lie"A three year independent investigation into the September 11, 2001 attack on the Pentagon has yielded new eyewitness evidence which, according to the Southern California-based researchers who conducted the investigation, "conclusively (and unfortunately) establishes as a historical fact that the violence which took place in Arlington that day was not the result of a surprise attack by suicide hijackers, but rather a military
black operation involving a carefully planned and skillfully executed deception."They have compiled the most pertinent testimony into an 81 minute video presentation entitled National
Security Alert, which has earned the respect and praise of a growing number of distinguished academics,journalists, writers, entertainers, pilots, and military personnel.
The investigation involved multiple trips to the scene of the crime in Arlington, Virginia, close scrutiny of all official and unofficial data related to the event, and, most importantly, first-person interviews with dozens of eyewitnesses, many of which were conducted and filmed in the exact locations from which they witnessed the plane that allegedly struck the building that day. It was primarily conducted by two men named Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis, also known as Citizen Investigation Team, or CIT."There were a growing number of people in the United States and around the world who were suspicious of the government's story about what had happened at the Pentagon that day," Ranke explains. "The doubts were initially fueled by the dubious damage to the building, which seemed incompatible with a 757 crash,the deliberate lack of transparency by the authorities, and many other issues, but they really intensified after a team of professional pilots (Pilots for 9/11 Truth) analyzed the data obtained from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) via a Freedom of nformation Act request in 2006, which was supposedly from the black box of American Airlines Flight 77, and found that the last reported altitude of the plane was far too high to have struck the light poles or the building. This meant that either the plane did not cause the observed physical damage, that the government had released fraudulent data, or both.""We were tired of the cover-up, but we were also frustrated with the dead-end theorizing that was taking place", says Marquis of the project's genesis. "We knew that the only way we were ever going to know what had really happened was if we actually went to the area, knocked on doors, and interviewed everyday people about what they saw."When these eyewitness accounts are aggregated, they paint a very disturbing picture, say the researchers."To put it as concisely as possible, the plane had to have flown on a very specific flight path in the final seconds before it reached the Pentagon in order to have caused the observed damage, starting with the light poles that were photographed on the ground and ending with the directional damage to the building itself which was outlined in detail by the American Society of Civil Engineers," explains Ranke. "The government claims the plane flew on this flight path and hit the building. The eyewitnesses in all of the most critical vantage points, on the other hand, independently, unanimously, and unequivocally report a drastically different flight path, proving that the plane absolutely could not have hit the light poles or the building. It is a non-controversial scientific fact that a strike from this trajectory would have caused a very different damage path."
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It wasn't just witnesses who watched the plane approach the building that the team spoke with, however."We've also published our interview with a Pentagon police officer who saw the plane flying away from the Pentagon immediately after the explosion", says Marquis. "We already knew that the plane could not have hit based on the testimony of the witnesses on the other side of the building who watched it approach,but it was still vindicating to get this kind of confirmation."A 2006 Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll found that "More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East." Nevertheless, Ranke and Marquis acknowledge it is still quite controversial to claim, as they do, that "criminal elements within the U.S. government" were complicit in the attacks.
"If you are skeptical of (or even incensed by) this statement we do not blame you," reads a note on the front page of their website, CitizenInvestigationTeam.com. "We are not asking you to take our word for it,nor do we want you to do that. We want you to view the evidence and see with your own eyes that this is the case. We want you to hear it directly from the eyewitnesses who were there, just as we did."Many people seem to be taking them up on this offer. Their video has already received almost 70,000 views online since it was first posted to their website a few weeks ago with only a grass roots promotional effort behind it.
Perhaps more notable than the size of the audience, however, is the caliber of some of the people in it. A newly-published compendium of endorsements on the CitizenInvestigationTeam.com website includes praise from a wide array of distinguished and well-respected Americans.
Emmy-award winning actor and former president of The Screen actors Guild, Ed Asner, calls the film a "reasoned, and methodical look at witness testimony the day the Pentagon was attacked on Sept. 11th".
Prolific non-ficition author Dr. Peter Dale Scott, Professor Emeritus of the University of California,Berkeley affirms that the film "successfully rebuts the official account of Flight 77's flight path on 9/11 as it approached the Pentagon"."If you accept the placement of the plane as independently and unanimously reported by the witnesses presented in CIT's video National Security Alert, science proves that it did not cause the physical damage at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001", says FAA certified pilot Robert Balsamo.
Dr. David Ray Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor Revisited: 9/11, the Cover-Up, and the Exposé and many other titles, says he is "pleased to be able to recommend this important film with enthusiasm", while scholar, author, and radio host Dr. Kevin Barrett says that the film proves "that the official version of the attack on the Pentagon is false, and that the attack must have been a deceptive military operation, not the kamakaze crash of a hijacked commercial jet."
Scott McKinsey, an award-winning network television director, says "The DVD offers no theorizing or speculation; only corroborated eyewitness evidence contradicting the official flight data to support an overwhelming argument that a plane did not slam into the Pentagon on 9/11".
Architect Richard Gage, AIA, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth.org), a coalition of over 700 professional architects and engineers calling for a new independent investigation of the destruction of the three skyscrapers in New York on 9/11 (the third was World Trade Center 7), calls the film "long overdue, but worth waiting for" and says that it "deserves serious attention".
Retired Navy Commander and aviator James R. Compton calls National Security Alert "the best reporting I've seen in a long, long time" and "a must see for every citizen in our country".
"Government and media figures who dare ignore evidence this conclusive do so at their own peril", warns Lt. Col. Shelton Lankford, a retired Marine pilot who has flown 303 combat missions.
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http://www.CitizenInvestigationTeam.com/praise.html
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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2009, 07:57:58 pm »
good work, I will keep this for debunking trolls.

I'm confused... what did hit the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001?

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2009, 08:37:15 pm »
A lot of witnesses say it was a commuter craft or missile (some are experts on aircraft, some not).  But the consensus is that it was not a 757.  The feds sent out teams of "counselors" in the area just after the strike, and people have recounted how they were coached to say a big plane hit the building.

Chances are, in my opinion, that a small craft was flown into the pentagon for show purposes.  The real damage was done by pre-planted charges.  People inside the pentagon smelled explosives.

That wedge of the pentagon was being renovated by AMEC, Inc., a British company.  At that time, it was illegal for the CIA to operate within the borders of the US (this has changed, because of anti-terrorist legislation passed since 9/11).  But at the time the CIA couldn't legally carry out this type of operation.  This is why the Brits, Americans and Israeli intelligence agencies have such close ties--they do one another's wet work.

It appears that the Brits were responsible for blowing up the pentagon and the Israelis were given the contract on the World Trade Center complex.

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On Sept. 11, Pentagon construction crews were doing final, touch-up work on the first wedge after more than three years of renovation. Some Defense employees already were moving into new office spaces. “We were down to checking the marble [floor] tile for cracks,” says David Kersey, project manager for British construction firm AMEC Inc., which held a $280 million contract for the Wedge 1 renovation. Fewer than 100 AMEC workers and subcontractors were onsite, while a new construction team, led by Hensel-Phelps Construction Co. of Greeley, Colo., was setting up shop to begin the next round of renovations.


http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11/flight77-aa-pentagon/pentagon-empty.txt

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In an interesting coincindence, AMEC already worked for the Pentagon in 2001, completing a renovation of the same section of the Pentagon, Wedge 1 ($150 million costs), which was later officially hit by AA77. http://www.amec.com/cm/how/how_2ndlevel.asp?PAGEID=3034 AMEC worked together with the oil industry. (See Oil) In 1999 BP Amoco awarded AMEC Process and Energy a major support services contract. http://www.amec.com/about/about_2ndlevel.asp?pageid=24 During the same period BP Amoco already supported the election campaign of George Bush. Totally they spent $2,989,073 between 1995 and 2000. http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/new_articles.cfm?articleID=608&journalID=65

http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/ControlledCleanup.shtml

AMEC was working on the blown-up wedge before the "attack," and then they started on the clean-up.

You have witnesses smelling cordite, a British Petroleum connected contractor onsite, and oil men launching wars as a result of the attack.  I could demonstrate motive and probable cause to any grand jury, and I'm just a guy on the internet.  It's amazing that no charges have been filed.  It's amazing that lawyers are so gutless.  Where are the lawsuits?

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2009, 10:09:02 pm »
A lot of witnesses say

Who are the "lot of witnesses?"

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2009, 10:23:25 pm »
A lot of witnesses say it was a commuter craft or missile (some are experts on aircraft, some not).  But the consensus is that it was not a 757.  The feds sent out teams of "counselors" in the area just after the strike, and people have recounted how they were coached to say a big plane hit the building.

Chances are, in my opinion, that a small craft was flown into the pentagon for show purposes.  The real damage was done by pre-planted charges.  People inside the pentagon smelled explosives.

That wedge of the pentagon was being renovated by AMEC, Inc., a British company.  At that time, it was illegal for the CIA to operate within the borders of the US (this has changed, because of anti-terrorist legislation passed since 9/11).  But at the time the CIA couldn't legally carry out this type of operation.  This is why the Brits, Americans and Israeli intelligence agencies have such close ties--they do one another's wet work.

It appears that the Brits were responsible for blowing up the pentagon and the Israelis were given the contract on the World Trade Center complex.

Wait a sec, now I'm really confused.  Where does all the information about AMEC, Inc. come from and where does the information about the Israelis come from?  What Israeli company is affiliated with the World Trade Center?  I'm getting my brain in a dizzy spin here because I'm also wondering where the CIA fits into all of this?


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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2009, 09:49:32 am »
excellent news - crash site investigators really dig rebuilding those things to discover 'what went wrong' (below)



and ... let's see a (1984 remote controlled) plane wing grinding through a static pole! FUEL EXPLOSION.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TrOA9WiUWs


Yet... A BOEING 757 WAS FOUND!!!

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2009, 09:52:59 am »
excellent news - crash site investigators really dig rebuilding those things to discover 'what went wrong' (below)



and ... let's see a (1984 remote controlled) plane wing grinding through a static pole! FUEL EXPLOSION.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TrOA9WiUWs



Boy, you guys are clutching at straws aren't you??

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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2009, 09:57:04 am »
if a boeing 757 was found, then the crash investigation team would be very happy - they could piece it together. No? You think that's clutching at straws?  Why?

:)

PS: answer my question about the lightpoles tearing through the fuel-laden wings already.


Yet... A BOEING 757 WAS FOUND!!!

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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2009, 10:01:12 am »
if a boeing 757 was found, then the crash investigation team would be very happy - they could piece it together. No? You think that's clutching at straws?  Why?

:)

PS: answer my question about the lightpoles tearing through the fuel-laden wings already.



I don't think I need to answer any of your questions.  Anyway, I thought you claimed you made a STATEMENT about the lightpoles?  It's all heresy!!

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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2009, 10:37:31 am »
wow, that's a highly trollish reply?

did you mean heresy or hearsay?

man, like who cares anyway?

I don't think I need to answer any of your questions.  Anyway, I thought you claimed you made a STATEMENT about the lightpoles?  It's all heresy!!

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« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2011, 09:00:37 pm »
I would add that the most obvious piece of evidence is that large passenger planes do not make holes 16 ft by 12 ft in walls, kind of the most startling fact there is in my view.

Or fly in the way that this particular aircraft flew, or get piloted by people that can't fly.  Just wacky!  I think the "Powers that Be" were DEPENDING on the fact that millions of people saw two planes crash into the WTC; so it wouldn't be too much of a hard sell to convince them that a 757 flew into the Pentagon.  But of course, it didn't.  And if people figured THAT out.... then the shit really would hit the fan for them.  Talk of treason etc.

The Twin Towers and all the loss of life in New York really did function as quite a distraction from the main achilles heel of 9/11 which was at the Pentagon.  So much so, that it's taken 10 years for people to start asking questions.  The next step is that people are going to realise that their Government (or elements within it) have absolutely NO care about their safety or best interests.  Not surprisingly it has become increasingly important for these peole to try and cover this up.

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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2011, 09:20:04 pm »
David Chandler and Jonathan Cole Denounce CIT

From David Chandler and Jonathan Cole:
http://911speakout.org/?page_id=219

The CIT videos don’t qualify as scientific studies. Their witnesses are not representative of the overall eyewitness pool, the witnesses accounts are far from contemporaneous with the events, and the conversational style of the interviews frequently leads the witnesses.

Who knows what conversations preceded the videotaped interviews to either shape or filter the testimonies? The “researchers” ignore the fact that none of their witnesses directly confirms their primary hypothesis: a Pentagon flyover. Some of the witnesses contradict themselves, but this does not count against their credibility. Furthermore, there is no mention of the voluminous eyewitness testimony that supports the conventional path in line with the path of destruction.

Rather than subject their work to peer review, even internal peer review within the 9/11 Truth Movement, they simply disparage any who take issue with their methods or their results, and instead rely on a list of questionable endorsements. They posted a literal “enemies list” on the internet in which they attacked the character of those who disagree with them. [Ed. Note: we are not yet on that list, but after posting this essay we will surely qualify.]

CIT has even gone so far as to disparage their own witnesses, accusing the driver of the taxi that was hit by a light pole of being a co-conspirator with the perpetrators of the crime. CIT has gone out of its way to make themselves a highly divisive issue in the 9/11 Truth movement. The “Flyover theory” had recent success in getting main stream media coverage on the Jesse Ventura “Conspiracy Theory” show.

Whether CIT in fact represents an orchestrated attempt to splinter the 9/11 Truth Movement or not, it is having a splintering effect. “Divide and Conquer” has a long history, going back to Caesar in the Gallic Wars, and Alexander the Great before him. CIT is attempting to become the public face of the 9/11 Truth Movement. If it succeeds, the 9/11 Truth Movement will be seen as vicious, mean spirited, crazy, and ultimately discredited.



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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2011, 09:35:06 pm »
9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757

Images of the attack on the Pentagon with no sign of a 757 and an intact frontage.


Yes, maybe a plane (hence the witnesses), but not a jetliner.

Military aircraft?

I think you were on to something (07').


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Re: 9/11 pentagon coverup conspiracy - no 757
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2011, 10:53:29 pm »
Or fly in the way that this particular aircraft flew, or get piloted by people that can't fly.  Just wacky!  I think the "Powers that Be" were DEPENDING on the fact that millions of people saw two planes crash into the WTC; so it wouldn't be too much of a hard sell to convince them that a 757 flew into the Pentagon.  But of course, it didn't.  And if people figured THAT out.... then the shit really would hit the fan for them.  Talk of treason etc.

The Twin Towers and all the loss of life in New York really did function as quite a distraction from the main achilles heel of 9/11 which was at the Pentagon.  So much so, that it's taken 10 years for people to start asking questions.  The next step is that people are going to realise that their Government (or elements within it) have absolutely NO care about their safety or best interests.  Not surprisingly it has become increasingly important for these peole to try and cover this up.

Well i think we've made some headway here
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=164982.msg1190127;topicseen#msg1190127

At least we've managed to arrive at some more, serious new questions to ask.

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Overwhelming Evidence Pentagon FDR Data Not From An American Airlines 757
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2011, 09:38:18 pm »
Aside from the fact that American Airlines have never owned nor ever flew any "Silvery" painted GREEN AIRPLANES:






We also have clear evidence of a missile 8 seconds later

Overwhelming Evidence Pentagon Aircraft Data Is Not From Any
"American Airlines 757"

Yesterday, 08:51 PM
Rob Balsamo

03/03/11 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) When Pilots For 9/11 Truth was founded in the late summer of 2006, the objective was to find evidence supporting what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission as many theories were rumored that elements within the US Government might have had something to do with 9/11. Co-Founder Rob Balsamo explains how he was puzzled and motivated to pursue further research into the events of 9/11 in his citation at PatriotsQuestion911.com, which lead to the formation of Pilots For 9/11 Truth. More than four years of solid research through Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests, numerous interviews and expert analysis has revealed no hard evidence supporting or linking to -- and in many instances factually conflicting with -- conclusions made by the 9/11 Commission. Now there is overwhelming evidence which suggests the data that is being provided to the public through the FOIA, is not from an aircraft which has been operated by American Airlines.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth analysis of data being provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has revealed the data does not support an impact with the Pentagon, exceeds the capabilities of a standard 757/767 by a wide margin, while demonstrating control issues for an "inexperienced pilot" (See 9/11: Attack On The Pentagon, 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, and Flight Of American 77). The data itself does not support what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission. When contacted, the NTSB and the FBI refused to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth went on to research if there was any evidence linking the data to N644AA (the aircraft described as "Flight 77"), once again, there is no evidence to support the government version of events(1). Research was also performed to determine if there was any evidence whatsoever linking the limited number of parts found at the Pentagon, to N644AA(2). In an unprecedented turn of events, the parts were never verified by any government agency for any of the four aircraft reported to have been used on 9/11. In all instances, there hasn't been any evidence provided by government agencies to support what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission. Further analysis reveals evidence demonstrating the data provided was not generated by an American Airlines airplane in the case of the attack on the Pentagon.

DATA FRAME LAYOUT

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have been provided several files through the FOIA. One file in particular, a raw Flight Data Recorder file which is described as a direct download from the FDR, contains binary code which needs to be decoded for a proper readout in a spreadsheet such as Excel. In order to decode such data, a Data Frame Layout is required. Derived from a generic Boeing Data Frame Layout, American Airlines provided it's own custom made Data Frame Layout which was designed for decoding data from aircraft within the American Airlines fleet, based on airline needs exclusive to American Airlines (AAL). The custom made AAL Data Frame Layout was unable to decode the data in full, and in some instances, neither the AAL Data Frame Layoyut nor the generic Boeing Data Frame Layout were able to be utilized in decoding the data(3). Why would American Airlines design their own custom Data Frame Layout if it cannot decode data from their aircraft? Or perhaps the data being provided is not from an American Airlines jet?

FLIGHT DECK DOOR

Pilots For 9/11 Truth also found, according to the data, there is no evidence suggesting a "Hijack" had occurred. A Flight Deck Door parameter shows the door closed for the entire flight. No evidence has been provided thus far which shows the Flight Deck Door open in order to facilitate a "Hijack".(4)

LATITUDE/LONGITUDE

Further evidence that the data is not from an American Airlines jet nor American Airlines Flight 77, comes in the form of Latitude and Longitude (Lat/Long) coordinates in the data itself. When plotted, the Lat/Long coordinates are more than 3,000 feet in error at time of departure from Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD). According to American Airlines 757/767 Operating Manual, along with several American Airlines 757/767 Captains, the navigational instruments (known as an IRS or Inertial Reference System), is aligned at the gate, prior to all flights(5). If such an error is observed in an American Airlines airplane, the aircraft is grounded until fixed. It would never leave the gate. If such an error was encountered during taxi to the runway, the Captain would have had to return to the gate until it was fixed.(6)

DEPARTURE GATE AND FULL ALIGNMENT

According to official reports and audio provided by government agencies, American Airlines Flight 77 departed from Gate D26 at IAD(7). However, when the Lat/Long data is adjusted for the 3,000+ foot offset, the data shows a departure from a gate other than D26(8 ). American Airlines requires a full alignment (as opposed to a "fast alignment") prior to every flight with the pilots physically inputting the Lat/Long coordinates of the gate, provided by navigational charts, into their navigational system. The aircraft should have never left the gate with such a large error within it's navigational system. Although some aircraft have the ability to update it's position in flight, an "update" is very different from an alignment. Any "updates" in flight will not be accurate if the initial alignment was not achieved at the gate. It is interesting to note that Military Aircraft are capable of in flight alignment of an Inertial Navigation System.

AUTO-ALIGNMENT AND GPS

Military aircraft were equipped with GPS (Global Positioning Systems) long before GPS was offered for Commercial use. When equipped, they can auto-align the Inertial Reference System. N644AA (American Airlines Flight 77) was not equipped with a GPS. However, when one looks through the data, it shows a GPS as "OPERational"(12) and an airborne auto-alignment. How can a GPS be "OPER" if the data is reported to come from an aircraft which doesn't have a GPS? The data shows that the Lat/Long plots auto-aligned with Radar plots in flight after departure(9). American Airlines aircraft do not have the capability of in flight alignment nor would such an aircraft depart with such a large error and an IRS as it's primary source for navigation. It is impossible for an IRS equipped American Airlines jet to give accurate position information if the system was not aligned at the gate. The aircraft needs to be stationary for proper alignment or else the navigational device will have large errors and could perhaps be fatal(10). According to American Airlines 757/767 Captain Ralph Kolstad who has actual flight time in N644AA, if the Inertial Reference System (IRS) is lost in flight (or shows large errors), an emergency has to be declared. The aircraft is required to sit stationary for more than 10 minutes in order obtain a full alignment of the Inertial Reference System prior to every flight, according to and as required by American Airlines 757/767 Operating Manual(11). How can an auto-align occur airborne if American Airlines aircraft do not have this capability nor a GPS? This is more evidence demonstrating the data did not come from an American Airlines jet.

CONCLUSION

The data does not support an impact with the Pentagon, does not support a departure from the gate claimed by official reports, if the data was in fact generated by an actual aircraft, it was generated by one which is more advanced than N644AA capability in both avionics (instruments) and performance. Furthermore, the data is not able to be decoded in full by a custom data frame layout made by American Airlines exclusively for their aircraft.

The evidence is overwhelming. The data did not come from an American Airlines Jet. Pilots For 9/11 Truth are asked regularly, "If Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go?" That is a GREAT question! Pilots For 9/11 Truth recommend demanding answers in order to obtain the data from the aircraft which is claimed to have departed gate D26 at Washington Dulles on the morning of September 11, 2001 and most importantly corresponds through Lat/Long plots to a departure from Gate D26. From there, it can be tracked to where it went! Unfortunately, subpoena power will perhaps be needed to get such information and data, as FOIA requests have been exhausted and the government agencies who have responded to such requests refuse further comment. "We have fulfilled our request. You get what you get, the data we gave you doesn't support our findings? No comment! " has proven to be the case. Lawsuits have been filed by victims of 9/11, particularly one by April Gallop, a survivor from the Pentagon. Pilots For 9/11 Truth have signed an affidavit in support of Ms Gallop along with providing evidence for the case. Now all that is needed is a fair and just Judge willing to look at the evidence before throwing out the case(14).

Almost Ten years has elapsed since the events of September 11, 2001. There has been no hard evidence linking the claims made by the 9/11 Commission to their conclusions. Even the 9/11 Commission admits they have been lied to and "Set up to fail"(13). Write your Congress, write your Senators, inform them the data being provided by government agencies through the Freedom Of Information Act does not support the 9/11 Commission findings, show them the overwhelming evidence that the data did not come from an American Airlines jet.

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center Attack. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

(1) Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking FDR Data to American 77 - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimino-AA77-FDR.html
(2) Ibid
(3) Notes On Parameters - http://www.warrenstutt.com/AAL77FDRDecoder...Parameters.html
(4) 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_h...impossible.html
(5) 757/767 Operating Manual Pre-Flight Checklist - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795614
(6) Expert Statements - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795633
(7) Pilots For Truth Forum - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795631
(8 ) Aircraft Departure Gate Positional Data Conflicts With Government Story - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/aa77-gate-position.html
(9) In Flight Alignment - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pics/in-flight-align.jpg
(10) 757/767 Operating Manual Pre-Flight Checklist - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795614
(11) Ibid
(12) Data provided by NTSB - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/FinalFlightComplete.zip
(13) 9/11 Commission Chair Lee Hamilton, "Set up to Fail" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LBARGBupM
(14) Pilots For 9/11 Truth Sign Affidavit In Lawsuit Brought By Pentagon Survivor - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon_lawsuit.html