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Obama really has not sworn allegiance to Israel, he has sworn allegiance to George Soros and his collaberators at the House of Rothschild. Soros is the new Rockefeller in town now, and whatever policy he enacts will be under the guidence of Soros. Probably beginning with the decriminalization of the drug trade so Soros can make money with his mexican drug cartels.
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Obama really has not sworn allegiance to Israel On the contrary: ---------------------------------------Barack Obama, Neocon Kurt Nimmo Infowars November 6, 2008 It’s too bad more Americans didn’t listen to the neocon wunderkind, Bill Kristol, before going to the polling places and voting for Barack Obama. Back in June, Kristol told the audience at an AIPAC conference there is little difference between Obama and McCain when it comes to Iran and the potential for conflict. “Obama’s not for cutting the defense budget,” said Kristol. “Obama’s not for pulling troops back from our forward positions around the world, with the exception of Iraq. Obama and McCain don’t actually differ, at least on paper, even on Iran, where they’re arguing about whether they would talk to [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad or not — and I think that’s an important dispute. Still, at the end of the day, Obama doesn’t say he would rule out the use of force.” Unfortunately, by the time election day rolled around, few people seemed to realize or care that Obama is essentially a neocon dedicated to the very same agenda as McCain, who was handled by a bevy of neocons. McCain wasn’t called McBush for nothing. Now that the election is over and Obama won handily, it will be safe for him to show his real colors, as he did less than 12 hours after cinching the nomination back in June. During the election, few seemed to remember this undying devotion to Israel, so pervasive was the Obama voodoo trance. “A mere 12 hours after claiming the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama appeared before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee yesterday — and changed himself into an Israel hard-liner,” Dana Milbank wrote for the Washington Post on June 5. “He promised $30 billion in military assistance for Israel. He declared that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force has ‘rightly been labeled a terrorist organization.’ He used terms such as ‘false prophets of extremism’ and ‘corrupt’ while discussing Palestinians.” He even went so far as to declare Jerusalem “the capital of Israel” and stressed, never mind international law, it must “must remain undivided,” that is to say in the hands of the Israelis.[ Continued...] No “Change” In Israeli Manipulation Of U.S. Foreign Policy Under Obama Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com Friday, November 7, 2008 President elect Barack Obama’s first act of “change” upon winning the Democratic presidential nomination back in June was to don a joint US-Israeli label pin, head on over to AIPAC and prostrate himself in front of the Israeli lobby, vowing to keep military action in mind for Iran and promising to hand over another $30 billion of American taxpayers’ money in military assistance to the Zionist state. Along with his recent appointment of Rahm Emanuel, the once Israeli army soldier who likes to make death threats to his political enemies while manically plunging a knife into a dinner table, Israel has little reason to worry that the man who promised “change” will lift a finger to change Israeli manipulation of American foreign policy. Indeed, when Emanuel’s appointment was confirmed, top Israeli newspaper the Maariv Daily hailed the news with the headline, “Our man in the White House.” Another Israeli news outlet, Y Net, reports, “Emanuel is pro-Israeli, and would not be willing to consider accepting the job unless he was convinced that President-elect Obama is pro-Israel.” [ Continued...] --------------------------------------- |
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I guess that makes our regime war criminals also. I just can't help it, ya know. We have killed over a million in Iraq mostly civilians, how many in Afghansitan only God knows and the JCS.
The forest for the trees, without our support, arms, and money, this would not be happening. These genocides- were expected, this is not coincidence. Sure Hamas fired off their rockets, what else was left, starvation, suicide, see their kids wither and die...The IS. GOV and MOSSAD, in conjunction with US support wanted this, provoked it.
Obamas support for Israel is unwavering, no matter what, he has declared that , his doctrines on Israel, he will not even call for Israel to sit at a peace agreement. -Strange, yes, were bankrupt in debt for 10 trillion or so, and millions are in desperate situations, yet there is not shortage of bombs. Sickning FN parasites, genocidal inhuman bags of Shiite.
Our regime is filled to overflowing with retarded self serving NWO lackeys. They refuse to do anything ethical or moral and that is a poor reflection on the taxpaers of this country. Yet, the masses are still distracted by shiny things and free candy. The UN, although condemning the attacks has stated that they will discuss it NEXT WEEK (wtf kind of humanitarian response is that?) while all the countries surrounding Israel are being bought off or blackmailed. Their hands are now tied, or else they become targets later. It is truly a sad state of affairs we have found ourselves in. And without public uproar here, the genocide will continue, since the sheep are being led to believe just what King George Bush wants them to believe  Right now, the US has granted an 'umbrella policy' of immunity and cooperation with US. After all, they are still funding both sides of the war again.... |
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I believe we should fight with the weapons we have.
Seems like the most available and persuasive is money.
Who here paid their taxes this year and who is willing to withhold it from the obvious criminals that are running our country?
Let"s freekin do something!
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« Reply #1124 on: January 03, 2009, 08:47:16 PM » |
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@Geo
part of my quote ", and whatever policy he enacts will be under the guidence of Soros"
Hence if Soros wants Obama to support Israel, he will.
George Soros was/is the #1 Funder of Obama / Pelosi / Reid
George Soros started the Orange and Rose revolutions in former soviet satellites
George Soros runs many drug cartels and is pushing all his puppets to de-criminalize and eventually legalize the drug trade
George Soros is behind all the assassinations of Mexican officials trying to stop the drug trade
To sum it up, he's an evil POS
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« Reply #1125 on: January 03, 2009, 09:02:03 PM » |
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I believe we should fight with the weapons we have.
Seems like the most available and persuasive is money.
Who here paid their taxes this year and who is willing to withhold it from the obvious criminals that are running our country?
Let"s freekin do something!
I agree that your point is valid. However, it is near impossible to enforce this agenda since 80% of the population will not comply. They're being cottled by Obama like a high school crush and 10% of the populous is just wushy-washy, so the 10% (the truth movement) would have to create an impact the size of the populous of this country. Peaceful protest is futile, writing ANYONE in govt (except for a choce few) is futile. Spreading the gospel of the NWO agenda to the sleeping masses is like pulling your own teeth. We persevere with the hope that someday our voices will be heard and understood. I fear the the national response will be too little too late in most cases, because of the media brainwashing. I'm sure that when the sheep start getting their doors kicked in by stormtoopers that they will realize that the 'tin hat crowd' was right after all. We have much work to do! |
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« Reply #1126 on: January 03, 2009, 09:08:17 PM » |
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=69810300128the Arabs are very well organized, coming in and spamming SPAM THEM acording to "them" your an arab if you spam the spammers. what happened here last week? they crashed us
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I posted earlier about what Albert Pike had to say about this. Here are his exact words.
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
This is totally confirmed by Habakkuk, who says that the rich men stir up strife to bring in Antichrist, the false Messiah of Israel.
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« Reply #1129 on: January 03, 2009, 09:20:21 PM » |
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Yep, those children look like Hamas fighters  Looks like Live Leak is going back to what it used to be "Ogrish." Ogrish was real truth. The new live leak has been compromised for commercial purposes. Lets hope CNN shows the real truth like this video. Rock |
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« Reply #1132 on: January 03, 2009, 09:30:29 PM » |
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The footage is appalling. AKA the Liveleak Video of a Bunch of Kids and old guys blown to pieces http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719Isreal better realize that the roots of resentment will run deep from this, the muslim community is going to see this video and freak.It seems Israel couldn't do a worse job if they used a wood chipper and high-def camcorders.. This is amazing that the Western governments would respond in such bland support of Israel inspite of the massive disproportionate use of force. I guess the governments are figuring that we are not supposed to be seeing these videos.. |
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« Reply #1133 on: January 03, 2009, 09:31:33 PM » |
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Yep, those children look like Hamas fighters Looks like Live Leak is going back to what it used to be "Ogrish." Ogrish was real truth. The new live leak has been compromised for commercial purposes. Lets hope CNN shows the real truth like this video. Rock This is also a good lesson for those shiny trigger happy people that want to know what WAR actually looks like. I don't mean that in a good way. Watch it. |
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« Reply #1134 on: January 03, 2009, 09:32:17 PM » |
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I posted earlier about what Albert Pike had to say about this. Here are his exact words.
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
This is totally confirmed by Habakkuk, who says that the rich men stir up strife to bring in Antichrist, the false Messiah of Israel.
Quite a sobering synopsis. It is probable that neighboring countries to Israel (Syria, Jordan, Lebanon) will reach a breaking point, seeing that the world powers will not lift a finger to stop it. The Arab families will grow intolerant of foreign policy, and through unity of their faith, will draw their own swords. From the borders of Syria and Lebanon will come the Muslim armies that will destroy the councils of Israel while their armies lay waste to the persecuted ones. There will be a continental catastrophe of chaos unleashed from this, in which there will be few survivors. |
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« Reply #1135 on: January 03, 2009, 09:35:45 PM » |
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The footage is appalling. AKA the Liveleak Video of a Bunch of Kids and old guys blown to pieces http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719Isreal better realize that the roots of resentment will run deep from this, the muslim community is going to see this video and freak.Absolutely! It is a pure indication of premeditated genocide to bomb a marketplace  I feel so much sorrow for the Gazans  |
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« Reply #1136 on: January 03, 2009, 09:39:10 PM » |
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This is also a good lesson for those shiny trigger happy people that want to know what WAR actually looks like. I don't mean that in a good way. Watch it.
Look, if I was a innocent bystander and I found my kids in that flesh pile, eventually somebody would pay for it. I'm all against war, but imagine what these guys are going to do in retaliation. Sure the fighters are right beside the public, there is no difference between them. However I would state that I would have taken my children out of there a long time ago before the bombing started if I could, and not put them in a position for this to happen. You can hear the guns going off before the video even ends.. I don't support Hamas rocket bombarding Israel, not at all, however Israel has made its statement it needs to back off. The have no intention of a ceasefire. And this is how stupid they are about the whole thing. They are going to keep killing innocent Palestinians and enough people are going to see this video, that the muslim community is going to plan a large revenge. Does anyone think that they are not going to? |
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« Reply #1138 on: January 03, 2009, 09:47:13 PM » |
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Look, if I was a innocent bystander and I found my kids in that flesh pile, eventually somebody would pay for it. I'm all against war, but imagine what these guys are going to do in retaliation. Sure the fighters are right beside the public, there is no difference between them. However I would state that I would have taken my children out of there a long time ago before the bombing started if I could, and not put them in a position for this to happen.
You can hear the guns going off before the video even ends.. I don't support Hamas rocket bombarding Israel, not at all, however Israel has made its statement it needs to back off. The have no intention of a ceasefire. And this is how stupid they are about the whole thing. They are going to keep killing innocent Palestinians and enough people are going to see this video, that the muslim community is going to plan a large revenge. Does anyone think that they are not going to?
I have no idea whats going to happen with the conflict, my assumption its going to be bad but never know with this particular conflict. I didn't at all mean to that you shouldn't be angry and if it was you there you wouldn't want to do anything. But there are a lot of individuals that talk a lot about violence and whatnot and I believe if those people knew more about real WAR and the experiences through it they wouldn't be so quick to action all i'm saying. In the end this video could be any place attacked by war. I hope it never looks like that here and instead of arabic or whatever being spoken its American. |
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« Reply #1139 on: January 03, 2009, 09:53:38 PM » |
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The footage is appalling. AKA the Liveleak Video of a Bunch of Kids and old guys blown to pieces http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719Isreal better realize that the roots of resentment will run deep from this, the muslim community is going to see this video and freak.It seems Israel couldn't do a worse job if they used a wood chipper and high-def camcorders.. This is amazing that the Western governments would respond in such bland support of Israel inspite of the massive disproportionate use of force. I guess the governments are figuring that we are not supposed to be seeing these videos.. Words can't express the sadness I have inside after seeing this video. This is a horrific crime against humanity. I can't see this being ignored much longer by the Muslim world. How far can they be pushed until they're fed up with the genocide and strike back en mass? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. |
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« Reply #1140 on: January 03, 2009, 09:56:07 PM » |
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And reading stuff like this really pisses me off about the people who represent US: UNITED NATIONS – The United States late Saturday blocked approval of a U.N. Security Council statement calling for an immediate cease-fire in the Gaza Strip and southern Israel and expressing concern at the escalation of violence between Israel and Hamas.Here's he link to the full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090104/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_un_israel_palestinians |
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« Reply #1141 on: January 03, 2009, 09:58:02 PM » |
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I have no idea whats going to happen with the conflict, my assumption its going to be bad but never know with this particular conflict. I didn't at all mean to that you shouldn't be angry and if it was you there you wouldn't want to do anything. But there are a lot of individuals that talk a lot about violence and whatnot and I believe if those people knew more about real WAR and the experiences through it they wouldn't be so quick to action all i'm saying.
In the end this video could be any place attacked by war. I hope it never looks like that here and instead of arabic or whatever being spoken its American.
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Words can't express the sadness I have inside after seeing this video. This is a horrific crime against humanity. I can't see this being ignored much longer by the Muslim world. How far can they be pushed until they're fed up with the genocide and strike back en mass? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
I absolutely agree, and like I said before, YouTube is censoring this video, so I'm thinking we should flood YouTube with this video and maybe more people will see it and wake up. I found a link where you can download it and then spread it... http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KP4E6Z5U |
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 What is interesting is how even the Israelis do not want to be there : An Israeli police officer pushes away a right wing Israeli activist during a demonstration of thousands of left wing activists protesting against Israel's military operation in Gaza, in Tel Aviv,Israel, Saturday, Jan. 3, 2009. Israeli ground forces crossed the border with the Gaza Strip after nightfall Saturday, Israel's military said, in an expansion of its week-old offensive against Hamas militants. |
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« Reply #1144 on: January 03, 2009, 10:08:15 PM » |
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Thus its ON:
OPERATION EQUALIZE THE TRUTH IS STARTEDEveryone download the video (see above link) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KP4E6Z5UEveryone start uploading it to youtube, posting links to it etc etc. |
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What is interesting is how even the Israelis do not want to be there : An Israeli police officer pushes away a right wing Israeli activist during a demonstration of thousands of left wing activists protesting against Israel's military operation in Gaza, in Tel Aviv,Israel, Saturday, Jan. 3, 2009. Israeli ground forces crossed the border with the Gaza Strip after nightfall Saturday, Israel's military said, in an expansion of its week-old offensive against Hamas militants. MSNBC reported that 80% in Israel do not support a ground war. The Neo-Con/Zionist/Nazi government in Israel is totally FUBAR |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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Just saw a report from Berlin. Of course Merkel condemns Hamas. The report said that 40,000 Palestinians live in Berlin (Press TV, Iran).
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« Reply #1147 on: January 03, 2009, 10:31:11 PM » |
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IMO this entire conflict is being used to strengthen the United Nations. The neocons/zionists are being used to bring about total hatred of the United States and Israel in order to give the U.N. more power to control such situations, hence coercing everyone into thinking the U.N. are the good guys. And of course BO will completely fall in line with the U.N. and everyone will be one happy NWO family. Both sides doing their part in the destruction of everything, bringing about "Change" and "rebirth" of their wonderful world of complete and total domination of the people on this planet.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcmKJVLViZk&feature=relatedCarnage in Gaza. At about 2:00 minutes in, you see many men in blue uniforms on the ground. These men dead and wounded in blue uniforms are police. Bush insisted on elections, and Hamas won. They have a police force which does everything from parking, traffic, criminal law and arresting militant groups that don't follow Hamas orders. And this is the force that Israel is targeting!!! All over Europe people are protesting this slaughter. Israel is losing credibility, and for the first time, I hear Americans complaining about Israel. Of course neither the neocon right Fox News, or the Obama corporate left MSNBC and CNN will show this footage. We have to get it posted as much as possible.
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I agree that your point is valid. However, it is near impossible to enforce this agenda since 80% of the population will not comply. They're being cottled by Obama like a high school crush and 10% of the populous is just wushy-washy, so the 10% (the truth movement) would have to create an impact the size of the populous of this country. Peaceful protest is futile, writing ANYONE in govt (except for a choce few) is futile. Spreading the gospel of the NWO agenda to the sleeping masses is like pulling your own teeth. We persevere with the hope that someday our voices will be heard and understood. I fear the the national response will be too little too late in most cases, because of the media brainwashing. I'm sure that when the sheep start getting their doors kicked in by stormtoopers that they will realize that the 'tin hat crowd' was right after all.
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I'm uploading right now on YOutube.
9 Israeli soldier have died according to Hamas. Israel army is hesitant to fight right now.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/world/middleeast/04assess.html?bl&ex=1231218000&en=dea3c2800b7552fa&ei=5087%0AIs the Real Target Hamas Rule? By ETHAN BRONNER Published: January 3, 2009 EREZ CROSSING, on the Israel-Gaza border — As Israel’s tanks and troops poured into Gaza on Saturday, the next phase in its fierce attempt to end rocket attacks, a question hung over the operation: can the rockets really be stopped for any length of time while Hamas remains in power in Gaza? And if the answer is determined to be no, then is the real aim of the operation to remove Hamas entirely, no matter the cost? After her visit to Paris on Thursday to explain to French authorities why she thought this was not the time for a quick cease-fire, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni of Israel said, “There is no doubt that as long as Hamas controls Gaza, it is a problem for Israel, a problem for the Palestinians and a problem for the entire region.” Vice Premier Haim Ramon went even further Friday night in an interview on Israeli television, saying Israel must not end this operation with Hamas in charge of Gaza. “What I think we need to do is to reach a situation in which we do not allow Hamas to govern,” Mr. Ramon said on Channel One. “That is the most important thing.” Neither Prime Minister Ehud Olmert nor Defense Minister Ehud Barak has made such a statement. Still, there is a growing and shared concern among Israeli leaders that any letup against Hamas would be problematic for Israel’s broad goals in the long term because it could bolster and validate the group, which says Israel should be destroyed. “If the war ends in a draw, as expected, and Israel refrains from re-occupying Gaza, Hamas will gain diplomatic recognition,” wrote Aluf Benn, a political analyst, in the newspaper Haaretz on Friday. “No matter what you call it,” he added, “Hamas will obtain legitimacy.” In addition, any potential truce deal would probably include an increase in commercial traffic from Israel and Egypt into Gaza, which is Hamas’s central demand: to end the economic boycott and border closing it has been facing. To build up the Gaza economy under Hamas, Israeli leaders say, would be to build up Hamas. Yet withholding the commerce would continue to leave 1.5 million Gazans living in despair. Implicit in Mr. Benn’s argument, however, is that the only way to stop Hamas from gaining legitimacy is for Israel to fully occupy Gaza again, more than three years after removing its soldiers and settlers. That is a prospect practically no one in Israel or abroad is advocating. Moreover, while it may sound decisive to speak of taking Hamas out of power, almost no one familiar with Gaza and Palestinian politics considers it realistic. Hamas legislators won a democratic majority in elections four years ago, and the group has 15,000 to 20,000 men under arms. It has consolidated its rule in the past 18 months since pushing out its rivals loyal to the more Western-oriented and moderate Fatah party of President Mahmoud Abbas, who sits in Ramallah in the West Bank. And while there are plenty of Gazans who would prefer Fatah, they seem hardly organized or strong enough to become the new rulers, even with the help of former colleagues in exile in Ramallah who say, anyway, that they would never be willing to ride into Gaza on the back of an Israeli tank. In fact, the longer Israel pounds Gaza, the weaker Fatah is likely to become because it will be seen as collaborating. The likelier result of a destruction of the Hamas infrastructure, then, would be chaos, anathema not only to the people of Gaza but also to those hoping for peace in southern Israel. Yet in its campaign so far, which has killed scores of children and other bystanders, Israel has not spared the trappings of Hamas sovereignty or limited itself to military targets. It says that the mosques it has destroyed were weapons storehouses and that the Islamic University, which it has hit repeatedly, housed explosives factories. But it has also reduced many government buildings to rubble without any claim that they were military in nature. “The government buildings are a place where financial, logistical and human resources serve to support terror,” said Capt. Benjamin Rutland, a spokesman for the Israeli military. “Much of the government is involved in the active support and planning of terror.” Taken together, it suggests that even if Israel intends to hold back from completely overthrowing Hamas, its choice of assault tactics could head that way anyway. And the Israelis may already be facing a kind of mission creep: after all, if enough of Hamas’s infrastructure is destroyed, the prospect of governing Gaza, a densely populated, refugee-filled area whose weak economy has been devastated by the Israeli-led boycott, will be exceedingly difficult. In the background, too, is broad international criticism of this war on Gaza, not only because of the unspeakable suffering seen on television screens but also because of a feeling that Israel has tried such tactics in the past and never succeeded. In particular, many point to the 2006 war against Hezbollah in Lebanon, where Israel also tried to destroy rocket launchers and a hostile organization’s infrastructure, only to end up killing many civilians and leaving Hezbollah more popular and perhaps ultimately stronger than before the war. But military planners here say that the parallel is inexact and that they, too, have learned a lesson. Gaza is smaller and flatter than southern Lebanon and, most important, does not have a sievelike border with a country like Syria where arms can be constantly resupplied. Destroying the smuggler tunnels from the Egyptian Sinai into Gaza and systematically eliminating weapons depots and launcher sites, along with their supporting infrastructures, will ultimately succeed, they contend. It may take weeks or months, they assert, but it can work. If true, questions still remain: At what human cost? And who will be in charge when it is all over?
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« Reply #1153 on: January 03, 2009, 10:45:22 PM » |
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Has anyone noticed that www.debka.com and www.irna.com (the english side) have been down for days? |
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #1154 on: January 03, 2009, 10:54:20 PM » |
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Did Israeli troops retreat? I think that's what's happened.
Please tell me this is true. That is what I have been praying for. |
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« Reply #1155 on: January 03, 2009, 10:58:48 PM » |
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Please tell me this is true. That is what I have been praying for.
This is nothing more than a gut feeling. But I got it three hours ago, that the Israelis underestimated the Hamas resistance and they were forced to retreat. |
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #1156 on: January 03, 2009, 11:04:47 PM » |
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israel is surrounding gaza while hamas is keeping them out, 30 + israeli soilders retired and 2 special ops teams are encircled. israel has underestimated the resistance and are going after PALESTINIANS WHILE HAMAS IS NOT IN THE OPEN.
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faith basers make me as sick as free basers Surah 75 سورة القيامة - محمد [ http://powerofthadolla.freeforums.org/ ] An Almond for a Parrot €∀§M_ ³ حتى الآلهة الحمار الاحتفاظ زنجي الخراء تمشيا أنت كافر نكاح تفرز من الشيطان الاكبر يا ح |
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« Reply #1157 on: January 03, 2009, 11:05:34 PM » |
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I think they just said that tanks are retreating for some reason, but I sure hope I'm wrong and it's a full on retreat. However, the lady on PressTV just said, "here are the latest live images as the Gaza ground offensive continues" so yeah |
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« Reply #1158 on: January 03, 2009, 11:10:23 PM » |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #1159 on: January 03, 2009, 11:26:54 PM » |
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My neighbor is a Palestinian and shared this email from a 17 year old girl in Gaza sent on Wed. 12/31/08. We don't know how she is now. Please pray!
Dear Uncle,
I am speechless. I don't know what to say whatever you saw at the tv is not half what I am living everyday for the last five days, not mentioning what I have been living since I came back from the blockade and suffering from lack of goods, electricity, water, and every necessary thing that any human being needs for a good life. I don't mean a new car, going to expensive restaurants, or even having pets. No, I mean having electricity, water, gas so we can cook...if we had the food and ability to move from town to town. I think this is my life after coming back. I adapted to this life that animals can't survive in or live in.
I smile because I won't let the Israelis steal my smile. I pretend that everything is ok and fine. I say I am lucky to have my family, who I didn't lose yet. I say I have a house I didn't see destroyed yet. I say I have my health. I have my legs, my arms, which I haven't lost yet.
But now I say enough is enough. My people are victims. We don't deserve all this. On Saturday, the war started. They killed more than 400 people, most of them civilians...kids, women, old people. Why? Because they are Palestinian.
On that day, I was at school as usual. Then all the bombind started. All the killing started. I was so scared. It was so loud. I was so scared that I won't see my family again. Them my friends and I were running home. On our way, we saw stiffs on the street. It was horrible. They were kids and men. Some didn't have their legs. Some were covered with blood. I don't know what their crime was.
More than 2,000 injured and as you know, we are living in a big jail in a blockade. We don't have enough medicine or medical requirements to heal the injured people. The Israelis broke and overstepped the humanism boundaries. They bombed mosques, homes, cars on the street, and buildings. They killed kids and babies, even babies who weren't born yet. My mom's relative was pregnant when she was leaving collage on Saturday. From the bombing and the fear, she started to bleed, then she ended with losing her baby. The Israelis bombed a mosque, which was next to a house of a family of 7 girls and their parents which ended with just 2 girls and their dad, the mother and her 5 girls were killed in cold blood. Also, every family had lost almost 2 or 3, and the Israelis had killed doctors, physicians, and destroyed ambulances.
The Israelis are killing, destroying, bombing with their IF16 and their helicopters using their super weapons, attacking everything in Gaza. Just in 2 hours, they killed more than 200 people. On Friday, they are going to enter Gaza Strip to start their overland operation by their 100,000 soldiers and maybe more with their tanks, dredgers to kill the rest of us and destroy our homes. Gaza is on fire. I can't sleep from the loud bombing. I can't sleep from the scenes I saw. If I didn't die yesterday, I might die tomorrow. I might die right now, or after hours, because Israel is committing one more of it's inhumane genocides against us. Israelis are literally the satan of this mortal world.
No matter what, we will never give up. We will never surrender. I know we will overcome this war because God is with us. God will protect us. I hope you read my email and pray for us. Pray for Gaza, Palestine.
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